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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/30/19 06:27 PM
There seems to be a drop off in the amount of boys in this age bracket. Lots of clubs not fielding teams for 25
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/01/19 03:20 AM
its a shame when clubs get a bad name because of the parent group and they can not get kids to tryout. the club is tarnished because of the parents and they get to move on and the club loses
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/01/19 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There seems to be a drop off in the amount of boys in this age bracket. Lots of clubs not fielding teams for 25

And others fielding two 25 teams. Club reputation is everything.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/01/19 10:07 PM
Any teams entering the WSYL?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/02/19 12:04 AM
No
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/03/19 01:56 AM
Why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/04/19 09:43 PM
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/05/19 12:15 PM
Advice please- family moving to Baltimore from top team out West. I know that translates to nothing back East so want to know best team for a 2025, or what any of you would suggest to learn with a good Coach because I hold no delusions about making a top team in MD. Any ideas appreciated thanks all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/05/19 10:48 PM
All the Baltimore teams play in the Howard County League, from the top level to the lower levels. You will find a home and can contact all the clubs by finding their websites. Teams have largely had tryouts but teams will always find room for a player who improves their team. My son plays for 91MD which is a very good team at that age but Crabs, FCA, Looneys, Breakers etc are all good teams in the area. You can see how they finished up the spring league here (not all are Baltimore teams, includes DC and Annapolis area teams). http://ghclc.teampages.com/ And know that at this age if you get on a team that is below his talent level, you can always move later on...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/06/19 12:20 AM
As the previous poster alluded to, there are a number of teams all over MD. Depending on what your looking to get out of the experience, I strongly suggest you understand the mission/objectives of the teams you are looking at. For example, some teams claim they focus on player development, and then the training ends up being some dad who never played but did carry the cones to and from the high school practices whose doing the teaching.

Other clubs are just a money grab (they'll take any player who signs up for a tryout), usually indicated by programs with more than one team at an age group. Be aware of daddy ball (dad coach) which is pretty wide spread in MD. In some cases its not necessarily a bad thing, and in others it is a complete disaster. Some teams will stretch the truth when announcing how one of their teams did on social media (e.g., "Our 2025 team won the AA division championship at "Y" tournament", but there was only one division with teams that played in the "B" division in the GHCLC spring league). Maryland is in the midst of going through some changes in the club scene with national brands coming into the state the past few years (e.g., 91, Express, 3d, True, etc).

If you can get historical data on the GHCLC division standings, it will give you a pretty good idea of year over year changes in competition level (division moves) and records, which could be an indicator of things good or bad.

With all that being said, I have heard positive things about Team 91, FCA, Looney's and Breakers. Good luck in your search!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/06/19 02:17 AM
That's why I came on here because honestly need to avoid daddy ball, lies, etc. This is my youngest and I've done the club circuit scene for 15 years now so I've seen it all and want a nice team for a solid 2025- not a phenomenal one. Stick skills will be behind an East Coast kid for sure so would prefer for him not to detest lacrosse by eighth grade. I don't think he would make Team 91 from what I have heard so thank you for all the advice and honesty. Really appreciated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/06/19 09:10 AM
The first question I would have for you is what area do you live? No need to drive a long way to practices these days.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/06/19 03:27 PM
Heard good things about Breakers?? Lol. Like what?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/07/19 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard good things about Breakers?? Lol. Like what?


They charge huge sums and play in their own tournaments. Thats good for Director
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/13/19 03:23 PM
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/13/19 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?

in new york where the age cut off is is dec, yes. In md where the cuttoff is sept. no. he would be a single.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/30/19 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.


Here are teams that are registered for East Qualifier as of this past weekend:

- Team 91 MD
- Cannons Gold
- True Maryland
- BBL Elite
- Tribal SJ
- Tri-state
- Mad Dog East
- TEAM Lacrosse
- 3d Garden State
- Blue Star
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/02/19 05:10 PM
B level teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/03/19 02:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.


Here are teams that are registered for East Qualifier as of this past weekend:

- Team 91 MD
- Cannons Gold
- True Maryland
- BBL Elite
- Tribal SJ
- Tri-state
- Mad Dog East
- TEAM Lacrosse
- 3d Garden State
- Blue Star


Age based so No Holdbacks, which translate into meaning B level teams. WSYL has lost its shine with all the grade based holdback tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/14/19 03:43 PM
Agreed on the holdback statement. If you take away that noise, your simply have the best teams out there who are on age, which is what you want. It doesn't mean that these teams are bad, they are just on age. My son's team has played Cannon's Gold and they are a pretty good team for their age, no glaring weaknesses. I think we will see a couple of these teams in some tournaments over the next few weeks. I'm pleasantly surprised who I haven't seen on this list, which tells me that they have holdbacks, which honestly puts a more positive perspective on my son's team's performance over the last year, as its' been a tough one from a win/loss perspective but an eye-opener from the need to put more off-season fitness training into place.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/14/19 06:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.


Here are teams that are registered for East Qualifier as of this past weekend:

- Team 91 MD
- Cannons Gold
- True Maryland
- BBL Elite
- Tribal SJ
- Tri-state
- Mad Dog East
- TEAM Lacrosse
- 3d Garden State
- Blue Star



When is this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/15/19 02:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed on the holdback statement. If you take away that noise, your simply have the best teams out there who are on age, which is what you want. It doesn't mean that these teams are bad, they are just on age. My son's team has played Cannon's Gold and they are a pretty good team for their age, no glaring weaknesses. I think we will see a couple of these teams in some tournaments over the next few weeks. I'm pleasantly surprised who I haven't seen on this list, which tells me that they have holdbacks, which honestly puts a more positive perspective on my son's team's performance over the last year, as its' been a tough one from a win/loss perspective but an eye-opener from the need to put more off-season fitness training into place.


The more holdbacks you have the more wins you have at 9th grade and below. Frankly even at High School club teams by grade , being a holdback is an advantage, just not as big as before puberty hit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/15/19 06:16 PM
There is always rec.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/16/19 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is always rec.


That is where majority of holdbacks would be playing on age !
Posted By: RLangway Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/16/19 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?

in new york where the age cut off is is dec, yes. In md where the cuttoff is sept. no. he would be a single.


Why doesn't everyone just follow USL Rules? - https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/rules/age-group-chart-2019-2020.pdf
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/17/19 11:39 AM
Originally Posted by RLangway
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?

in new york where the age cut off is is dec, yes. In md where the cuttoff is sept. no. he would be a single.


Why doesn't everyone just follow USL Rules? - https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/rules/age-group-chart-2019-2020.pdf


How would that give a select group of children an advantage that do prefirst or heldback/reclass ??

It just doesnt work for them. Nor does it give clubs that have lots of holdback any advantage.

Youth is about giving select players an advantage. Get with the times.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/17/19 10:21 PM
Funny how times have changed. My birthday is October, I went away to college as a 17 year old. Now kids are starting school at 20. Holdback, double holdback, reclassify, repeat 9th grade, repeat 6th grade. It’s insane. At the end of all this nonsense, if your son is the greatest player on the planet, he will work at a lacrosse camp or maybe make 14 grand in the MLL. No thanks. My kid will graduate age appropriate and then go to college, then get a job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/18/19 12:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how times have changed. My birthday is October, I went away to college as a 17 year old. Now kids are starting school at 20. Holdback, double holdback, reclassify, repeat 9th grade, repeat 6th grade. It’s insane. At the end of all this nonsense, if your son is the greatest player on the planet, he will work at a lacrosse camp or maybe make 14 grand in the MLL. No thanks. My kid will graduate age appropriate and then go to college, then get a job.


Times have changed for sure. Years ago anyone playing down in age like holdbacks/prefirst/reclass would have been embarrassed to show their face on the field. It was either play on age or play up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/18/19 12:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is always rec.


There is always holding him back another year if the first one doesn't work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/29/19 04:19 PM
Tourney Machine shows that BLC beat the Hawks by 1, and then lost by 6 to the Cannons this weekend. Is that right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/30/19 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tourney Machine shows that BLC beat the Hawks by 1, and then lost by 6 to the Cannons this weekend. Is that right?


Its Fall..Dont get excited.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/30/19 02:30 PM
Score was incorrectly posted. Other way around.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/30/19 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Score was incorrectly posted. Other way around.



That makes more sense.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 11/03/19 02:33 PM
Do any Northern Virginia kids play in MD teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 11/11/19 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any Northern Virginia kids play in MD teams?


Yes, there are some that travel to MD teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/13/20 07:27 PM
i heard koopers isnt fielding a team at this age group. anyone know why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/17/20 06:54 PM
Any changes to the HOCO divisions from last year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/17/20 07:31 PM
Divisions wont be out for weeks, but I would think they are the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/18/20 04:56 PM
Any thoughts on Crabs moving to Elite since they won AAA last year? If so, who would be bumped down to AAA?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/19/20 02:25 PM
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/19/20 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/19/20 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys




I saw NL play in the fall, they are much better than last year, no way they go down, they may actually challenge for #1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/20/20 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys




I saw NL play in the fall, they are much better than last year, no way they go down, they may actually challenge for #1


Well they went 0-7 last year in Elite with a goal differential of -40. Fall means nothing. They should go down if anyone does.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/20/20 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys




I saw NL play in the fall, they are much better than last year, no way they go down, they may actually challenge for #1



0-7 to top of the standings? Sounds a tad ambitious.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/28/20 11:31 PM
WSYL teams for the East Qualifier...

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/1220674/standings
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/29/20 01:35 AM
Team 91 will dominate this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/09/20 12:41 PM
FCA picked up some new players, a much better team than last year. Beat up on Crabs yesterday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/09/20 02:06 PM
Considering that everyone seems to be beating up on Crabs since the fall that's not really saying much.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/09/20 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Considering that everyone seems to be beating up on Crabs since the fall that's not really saying much.

FCA added kids that look like they could play on some '23 teams. Is that better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/10/20 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Considering that everyone seems to be beating up on Crabs since the fall that's not really saying much.

FCA added kids that look like they could play on some '23 teams. Is that better?


FCA didn't add anyone to their roster last year. The exact same team that beat the Crabs last year 19-9. It's called puberty.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/10/20 04:38 PM
"FCA added kids that should be playing on some '23 teams." There I fixed it for you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/10/20 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"FCA added kids that should be playing on some '23 teams." There I fixed it for you.


FCA didn't add any players. No hold back on the team. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/12/20 01:29 AM
You are delirious... my son is friends with 3 boys on the team who are all holdbacks.... so please try again!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/12/20 11:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are delirious... my son is friends with 3 boys on the team who are all holdbacks.... so please try again!


My son is friends with everyone on the team and none of them are holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/12/20 01:57 PM
Why is FCA not in the WSYL regional?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/12/20 02:22 PM
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/12/20 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.

Wow. Spelling and grammar aren't your thing, huh? At any rate, you speak like the dad of a kid who plays on a team who can only be successful with a number of holdbacks. BTW, every tournament is a money grab. WSYL just grabs money from on-age players and families.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/12/20 09:10 PM
WSYL qualifier probably going to get cancelled anyway due to coronavirus so likely a moot point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/12/20 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.

Wow. Spelling and grammar aren't your thing, huh? At any rate, you speak like the dad of a kid who plays on a team who can only be successful with a number of holdbacks. BTW, every tournament is a money grab. WSYL just grabs money from on-age players and families.


Except with WSYL you have to travel to Denver. There is plenty of great competition locally.

Oh and FCA was the US Lacrosse U15 National Chamipions 5x and on ESPN long before the WSYL ever existed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/13/20 12:24 PM
WSYL may not even happen this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/13/20 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL may not even happen this year.
it will be cxled
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/13/20 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.

Wow. Spelling and grammar aren't your thing, huh? At any rate, you speak like the dad of a kid who plays on a team who can only be successful with a number of holdbacks. BTW, every tournament is a money grab. WSYL just grabs money from on-age players and families.


Except with WSYL you have to travel to Denver. There is plenty of great competition locally.

Oh and FCA was the US Lacrosse U15 National Chamipions 5x and on ESPN long before the WSYL ever existed.


Was that FCA MD or FCA National? Asking for a friend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/24/20 12:03 AM
With three of the regions “suspended” due to coronavirus and, in my opinion, the whole event likely to get cancelled, do you think the WSYL would shift to 8th grade age or simply skip the year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/24/20 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
With three of the regions “suspended” due to coronavirus and, in my opinion, the whole event likely to get cancelled, do you think the WSYL would shift to 8th grade age or simply skip the year?

I think there is no way teams would want to go do this the summer prior to 9th grade. They will skip a year if they even continue this event. Based on the teams who already qualified, the event is continuing to decline. Outside the LI area, most clubs do not do this event. Next summer, the 2025 class will be included in showcase style events like Under Armor and the IL showcase events.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/13/20 03:27 PM
Heard today that practices will be held online with Hogan tournaments pushed back to July and August.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/14/20 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard today that practices will be held online with Hogan tournaments pushed back to July and August.


Online Practices, Now that will be interesting. If it works could be the way to go for awhile.

Not sure what is online practice? Coach on Zoom telling players and watching as they shoot? Footwork? take a IQ test for Lacrosse ? New world for hopefully a short while
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/26/20 10:29 PM
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/27/20 12:05 AM
About 1/3 or more is normal but these aren't normal times. Without football, hockey or other conflicting sports being up in the air, more kids are coming out for lacrosse. I hope these displaced kids find another team. Attrition in HS teams is less, filling specific, missing roles or kids dropping travel all together.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/27/20 11:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?

I would bet that there were a bunch of holdbacks in there too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/27/20 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?

It depends. Depends on coaches, on what families want out of the program, on the amount of loyalty a program has to its returning players and whether they're vested in really developing the players, and other stuff. One 2025 team completely disintegrated last year, while another changed out less than 5% of its roster. There is no one-size-fits-all answer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/27/20 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?

I would bet that there were a bunch of holdbacks in there too.

Tru dat
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/30/20 05:09 PM
I can imagine there are a larger than usual number of parents holding their children back to repeat 8th grade this year due to COVID.

Do you think there are enough '25's still looking for a place to play to fill another team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/30/20 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can imagine there are a larger than usual number of parents holding their children back to repeat 8th grade this year due to COVID.

Do you think there are enough '25's still looking for a place to play to fill another team?
Yes, at crabs. Had that team now plays 26
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/31/20 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can imagine there are a larger than usual number of parents holding their children back to repeat 8th grade this year due to COVID.

Do you think there are enough '25's still looking for a place to play to fill another team?
Yes, at crabs. Half that team now plays 26
How many Crabs 25s are repeating 7th grade?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/10/20 02:28 PM
This should be a really interesting division to watch. I know of several players from 2024 Elite teams last year that decided to re-class in August due to COVID-19 and school issues. I am well aware of the holdback debates, and not trying to start a new one. The kids I am referring to were already enrolled in 9th grade and made the decision in late August - so hard to pin that on parents trying to get the holdback advantage - those kids were already enrolled in 8th grade by then.

So it will be hard to judge this age group until we see who is actually on the field. i expect a lot more roster changes than we normally get at the 8th/9th grade groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/21/20 12:55 PM
Who would care to rank the 2025 teams at this point? Haven't seen much action for this graduating class. Cannon's Gold was really good a few years ago, but they seemed to have lost strength, or at least have gone down in the U.S. club rankings. Not sure about the Hawks or Madlax, don't know to what extent they have older players playing at this graduation level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/21/20 02:22 PM
WSYL ranks: Express, 91 MD, BLC, Madlax, HHH, Sweetlax, PT, 3D, 2Way, FCA. Prove this wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/21/20 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL ranks: Express, 91 MD, BLC, Madlax, HHH, Sweetlax, PT, 3D, 2Way, FCA. Prove this wrong.


Don’t have to. This coming weekend will be a better barometer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/21/20 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL ranks: Express, 91 MD, BLC, Madlax, HHH, Sweetlax, PT, 3D, 2Way, FCA. Prove this wrong.


Don’t have to. This coming weekend will be a better barometer.

Which tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 01:13 AM
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.

People are going crazy that Crabs reclassed 9 kids from their 2025 roster and made them repeat 7th grade. Was there 2025 team good enough they did not need them or bad enough they figured they would cut the kids and try to salvage a 2026 squad without always being embarrassed there. I always heard that Crabs stays good at the expense of kids and parents pride and dignity, but I was wondering about this specific example.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.

People are going crazy that Crabs reclassed 9 kids from their 2025 roster and made them repeat 7th grade. Was there 2025 team good enough they did not need them or bad enough they figured they would cut the kids and try to salvage a 2026 squad without always being embarrassed there. I always heard that Crabs stays good at the expense of kids and parents pride and dignity, but I was wondering about this specific example.
Their 25 and 26 teams were not good. Now their 26 team is better. Pride and dignity mean noting to Crabs parents. It’s the Crabs way. My question is, were the players part of the conversation with their parents when it was decided to hold them back in 7th grade? Did they get a say?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.

People are going crazy that Crabs reclassed 9 kids from their 2025 roster and made them repeat 7th grade. Was there 2025 team good enough they did not need them or bad enough they figured they would cut the kids and try to salvage a 2026 squad without always being embarrassed there. I always heard that Crabs stays good at the expense of kids and parents pride and dignity, but I was wondering about this specific example.

How do you know the number is 9?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 04:19 PM
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

How many were already holdbacks?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

LOL, like I am going to trust math from someone in the Crabs organization. They can't even get their kids through 7th grade in 1 year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 06:30 PM
What MD 2025 teams are going to the WSYL now that the WSYL is now in Maryland not Denver? Should we assume that if a MD 2025 team is not there it is due to the fact their 2025 is all holdbacks?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 06:43 PM
I would think Next Level should be mentioned in the top 5 for MD. They pretty much dominated Fall Hoco and have added a ton of 2024 players. They are definitely not the same team we saw during the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 06:43 PM
BLC doesn’t even have a 2025 team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/20 07:50 PM
Think they become DC Express at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7

Easy now, don't go get mathematical on them!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

LOL, like I am going to trust math from someone in the Crabs organization. They can't even get their kids through 7th grade in 1 year

Post of the year!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.

Its really easy when the 2026 Rosters were posted with numbers up until this summer. We also played Crabs several times this year or seen them play. And even easier is you watch summer tournament games and you see the 2025 kids play at the same tournament as the 2026's. Nope didnt change jersey number and the 2026/2025 rosters are now blank on the website
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.
And let me guess, they didn’t really reclass either right? They were playing up this whole time and are now where they are supposed to be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.
And let me guess, they didn’t really reclass either right? They were playing up this whole time and are now where they are supposed to be.

Cool then, making 3 kids repeat a year of school for the sake of lacrosse makes it totally sane and not desperate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/23/20 07:39 PM
one of those players is better than average. he should dominate on 26 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 11/06/20 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
one of those players is better than average. he should dominate on 26 team.

Havent seen that yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 01:36 PM
Hammers, Team Maryland, and Top Caliber joining forces to make a run at the WSYL for 2025 and 2026... https://www.theclca.com/wsyl?fbclid=IwAR0R7DEnIbk6i4cDwbSZwlVrUG6Luxgg24Z4D880SZ-FMnTVdvBEv89kYGY
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 03:00 PM
Winning the WSYL is a great accomplishment for a team to do. Combining a few teams to make an all star team, to try and win isn’t the same accomplishment.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 03:15 PM
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Winning the WSYL is a great accomplishment for a team to do. Combining a few teams to make an all star team, to try and win isn’t the same accomplishment.

agreed. A bunch of teams are doing that, or having WSYL specific tryouts. Adding a few players is expected but I think it'll be out of hand this year with the WSYL being on the East coast and travel not being a deterrent for most.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 07:34 PM
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Little League World Series teams are all/mostly all star teams and that doesn't seem to have defeated the purpose of that event.

I do agree with the prior poster saying that a 100 mile radius is pretty ridiculous. Should be something tighter, maybe like 15 - 25 miles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/03/20 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Exactly. Draw a 100 mile radius in the MD area and you cover every top program in the state, all of Delaware, South NJ, Philly and Northern VA. Do it in NY and you cover all of LI, NY south of Poughkeepsie, most of connecticut, most of NJ, parts of Mass, parts of Rhode Island and parts of Eastern PA. I am pretty sure an all star team from each of those areas would make for a great game, but that shouldn't be what this is about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 12:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.

Absolutely players were added from the year ahead born after 9/1 and before 12/1. And isn't this the same Wolfpup team who up and quit in a tournament because they were losing games on the first day. Sorry, you lost all credibility a long time ago but you keep holding onto those 2019 wins against Breakers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Exactly. Draw a 100 mile radius in the MD area and you cover every top program in the state, all of Delaware, South NJ, Philly and Northern VA. Do it in NY and you cover all of LI, NY south of Poughkeepsie, most of connecticut, most of NJ, parts of Mass, parts of Rhode Island and parts of Eastern PA. I am pretty sure an all star team from each of those areas would make for a great game, but that shouldn't be what this is about.

If WSYL lowered their fees maybe more teams would participate which would limit the number of free agent kids looking for a team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 01:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.

Absolutely players were added from the year ahead born after 9/1 and before 12/1. And isn't this the same Wolfpup team who up and quit in a tournament because they were losing games on the first day. Sorry, you lost all credibility a long time ago but you keep holding onto those 2019 wins against Breakers.

Bingo !!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.

Absolutely players were added from the year ahead born after 9/1 and before 12/1. And isn't this the same Wolfpup team who up and quit in a tournament because they were losing games on the first day. Sorry, you lost all credibility a long time ago but you keep holding onto those 2019 wins against Breakers.

Bingo !!

Sorry, low class, holdback parent. LI teams don’t need to steal players from other teams or horde holdbacks to win games against lowly cheater teams. I know that sounds hard to believe, for morally challenged individuals such as yourself, but that’s how we do it. No outsiders and no holdbacks that are a year or even two years older. Ever!

But you keep spreading garbage lies on this site. Low self esteem losers in life, routinely attempt to pull down the ultra successful, in order to feel better about their unfulfilled, unsuccessful lives. Yeah, I’ve heard it all before. But you don’t usually see that when the ultra successful are children. Congrats. You are particularly unconscionable individual.

How about we talk real garbage. How many holdbacks does your kids team have? I know the number is north of 80% of the MD HOCO kids that actually step foot on the field are between a year and two years older than the LI kids your trashy team is playing. How’s that feel?? Every LI team your kid is playing against is pre-pubescent while your kid is a man-child. Then why do your kids (men) still lose???? Lmao! LI spots you two years, and you still can’t win! How will you cheat next?? How about you steal kids from other teams?? Wait! You already do that!! Ok. How about you bring in college kids?? Lol. Seriously, the mid Atlantic is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the Lacrosse community, but if you’ve ever been out of MD, you already know that. MD/VA/DC - the bottom dweller cheater trash of all youth sports!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 03:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Little League World Series teams are all/mostly all star teams and that doesn't seem to have defeated the purpose of that event.

I do agree with the prior poster saying that a 100 mile radius is pretty ridiculous. Should be something tighter, maybe like 15 - 25 miles.

The Little League baseball teams are All star teams, correct, but they are all star teams that pull from local rec teams. Sure there are going to be kids that come from a little distance to play in that rec league that year so they can qualify for that all star team. There is no open tryout though like the post mentioned for baseball.

100 miles is absurd. If you can locate a dominant FO or goalie within that radius and ship them in for the WSYL it is a huge unfair advantage in my eyes. Anyone want to travel from Stanford CT to LI for practice? Uh, no. It would take 3 hours to get there in the afternoon. There's a reason there is Express North, and Express NJ now. it is a totally separate market.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 12:56 PM
The WSYL, past winners were teams. A team that started in September and finished in July. In this Lax world that’s the definition of a TEAM. Do you follow me so far? This isn’t brain surgery. Now if there was a state vs state all star game that would be a different topic. Not a bad idea, but that’s not this topic. Can you imagine the WSYL final being a state all star team vs an actual team. Think about that. Let’s take 4 great kids from 7 different teams to create the ultimate team to compete. We can meet up the night before so all the kids can introduce themselves to each other. If this happens, this event will become a farce.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 01:48 PM
That's a lie WP Parent. You scalped the F/o kid from Express, Grab the Goalie and MId from Taz, and added 2 other kids. So please stop with that. Now your team is losing to all those teams .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 02:05 PM
"holdback" is the excuse of choice by low class LI sad dad's whose kids teams can't compete with MD teams. Sorry your kid will not make his high school team. Maybe he'll have a snowball's chance if he HIT'S THE WALL!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 02:20 PM
It could also be the excuse of the holdback parent, knowing deep down his kid can’t be a great player playing with kids his own age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 02:38 PM
This is getting about as funny as CNN
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It could also be the excuse of the holdback parent, knowing deep down his kid can’t be a great player playing with kids his own age.

Please stop fellow LI dads. There are holdbacks here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL, past winners were teams. A team that started in September and finished in July. In this Lax world that’s the definition of a TEAM. Do you follow me so far? This isn’t brain surgery. Now if there was a state vs state all star game that would be a different topic. Not a bad idea, but that’s not this topic. Can you imagine the WSYL final being a state all star team vs an actual team. Think about that. Let’s take 4 great kids from 7 different teams to create the ultimate team to compete. We can meet up the night before so all the kids can introduce themselves to each other. If this happens, this event will become a farce.

The WSYL rules contradict themselves.

- All players must compete with their team or program on a REGULAR BASIS.

- Minimum requirements.....2 tournaments. Look at that, two one day tournaments at DE turf on the same weekend in March for the kids to introduce themselves to one another. The weekend before the qualifier
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 03:19 PM
WSYL should change its system, and limit the radius to 15-25 miles. The idea of super teams for youth lacrosse is ridiculous, but the WSYL has turned a blind eye - and I really can't understand why and why limiting the radius would hurt the event. Having said that, I don't know that it would change the greater New York City area's dominance, as the huge population pool to draw from will always work in their favor because there will be more great kids to choose from compared to rural areas. WYSL should create population districts, analogous to Little League, but make them a bit bigger than Little League since lacrosse isn't as popular throughout the country. Rural areas would have a bigger population base to draw from, which would even things out nationwide. The system right now is broken and incentivizes terrible behavior which involves kids. WSYL needs to be a leader and step up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL should change its system, and limit the radius to 15-25 miles. The idea of super teams for youth lacrosse is ridiculous, but the WSYL has turned a blind eye - and I really can't understand why and why limiting the radius would hurt the event. Having said that, I don't know that it would change the greater New York City area's dominance, as the huge population pool to draw from will always work in their favor because there will be more great kids to choose from compared to rural areas. WYSL should create population districts, analogous to Little League, but make them a bit bigger than Little League since lacrosse isn't as popular throughout the country. Rural areas would have a bigger population base to draw from, which would even things out nationwide. The system right now is broken and incentivizes terrible behavior which involves kids. WSYL needs to be a leader and step up.

I agree, but 15-25 is too small for some areas for lacrosse. I dont know what the answer is, but it probably isnt mileage, 50 from the center of LI still covers almost all of LI, and much of Conn, Northern NJ, and Westchester. I grew up on LI, that is a massive population pool to choose 25 players from. I live in the Charlottesville area now, some kids at the higher level need to travel that far to get to a team. There is no way they could compete with the ALL - LI plus team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL should change its system, and limit the radius to 15-25 miles. The idea of super teams for youth lacrosse is ridiculous, but the WSYL has turned a blind eye - and I really can't understand why and why limiting the radius would hurt the event. Having said that, I don't know that it would change the greater New York City area's dominance, as the huge population pool to draw from will always work in their favor because there will be more great kids to choose from compared to rural areas. WYSL should create population districts, analogous to Little League, but make them a bit bigger than Little League since lacrosse isn't as popular throughout the country. Rural areas would have a bigger population base to draw from, which would even things out nationwide. The system right now is broken and incentivizes terrible behavior which involves kids. WSYL needs to be a leader and step up.

I agree, but 15-25 is too small for some areas for lacrosse. I dont know what the answer is, but it probably isnt mileage, 50 from the center of LI still covers almost all of LI, and much of Conn, Northern NJ, and Westchester. I grew up on LI, that is a massive population pool to choose 25 players from. I live in the Charlottesville area now, some kids at the higher level need to travel that far to get to a team. There is no way they could compete with the ALL - LI plus team.

They can change the radius for different areas. They allow 200 miles for Canadian teams. That covers Toronto, Ottawa and Quebec. Probably easy to come up with 25 good players from those 10mil + people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/20 05:45 PM
Gerrymandering on BOTC. So typical.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/27/21 09:34 PM
Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/28/21 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?

Short answer is no. VLC 2025 is not the same category as the better teams in the area. In the Dc area, Madlax, Next Level, and DC Express are all significantly better. And that’s before getting to the MD teams like Hawks, Crabs, Team 91, etc. that are all much better. VLC 2026 is pretty decent and can compete at least, but VLC 2025 will get torched by any team in the HoCo elite division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/28/21 01:45 AM
The whole WSYL thing seems like a farce and a money grab to me. All this energy should be put into the regular travel teams.

PS - Thanks for all the "sorry your son didn't make the team better luck next year" encouragement I expect to hear shortly!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/28/21 03:26 PM
Re: WSYL: I don't understand why clubs feel the need to band together. Go with kids who have been with you through thick and thin. I think the WSYL itself is cool, but it is the conniving by the clubs which is a waste of time.
Will be interesting to see from Maryland shows up - with their own clubs (speaks to who has holdbacks), and who forms mega-teams (speaks to who just wants to win as opposed to developing their players). Does anyone know who is actually going to send a team to the WSYL regional?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/28/21 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?

Short answer is no. VLC 2025 is not the same category as the better teams in the area. In the Dc area, Madlax, Next Level, and DC Express are all significantly better. And that’s before getting to the MD teams like Hawks, Crabs, Team 91, etc. that are all much better. VLC 2026 is pretty decent and can compete at least, but VLC 2025 will get torched by any team in the HoCo elite division.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?

Cavaliers 2025 beat VLC 2025 every time they played them, if that says anything. All the boys from Cavaliers have moved on to stronger clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/28/21 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Re: WSYL: I don't understand why clubs feel the need to band together. Go with kids who have been with you through thick and thin. I think the WSYL itself is cool, but it is the conniving by the clubs which is a waste of time.
Will be interesting to see from Maryland shows up - with their own clubs (speaks to who has holdbacks), and who forms mega-teams (speaks to who just wants to win as opposed to developing their players). Does anyone know who is actually going to send a team to the WSYL regional?

Why does the conversation always turn to "hold backs"? No, just because a team doesn't go to a money grab tournament doesn't necessarily mean they have hold backs. But it may mean that your son needs to hit the wall so they can play on a team that does.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/29/21 08:54 PM
Does the WSYL equate to anything but a fun weekend? Is it considered a Showcase?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/29/21 11:32 PM
It's amazing- my sons team went out there a few years ago and it was the best tournament we've ever been too. Swag as you advance, skills contests, Connor Kelly was there, championship was televised, it's a youth event on steroids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/03/21 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Re: WSYL: I don't understand why clubs feel the need to band together. Go with kids who have been with you through thick and thin. I think the WSYL itself is cool, but it is the conniving by the clubs which is a waste of time.
Will be interesting to see from Maryland shows up - with their own clubs (speaks to who has holdbacks), and who forms mega-teams (speaks to who just wants to win as opposed to developing their players). Does anyone know who is actually going to send a team to the WSYL regional?

At the 2026 level, isnt Express is doing what you claim MD teams do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/25/21 10:07 PM
Does anyone have a list of the WSYL U14 regional qualifier teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/25/21 11:50 PM
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/26/21 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/26/21 01:04 PM
Interesting, what about the Hawks? Did Team Maryland combine with Top Caliber or did Top Caliber's own team go it alone? No one from the Philly area? Jersey Express was formerly Tribal SJ, they are a good team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/26/21 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black


I think more than 4 will advance. More like 6 or 7 based on previous years. Maybe add in Jersey Express, Cannons and True Annapolis as potential contenders.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/26/21 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black


I think more than 4 will advance. More like 6 or 7 based on previous years. Maybe add in Jersey Express, Cannons and True Annapolis as potential contenders.

Only 4 have advanced from the East since 2017. WSYL has been pulling extra teams from North Region because they have by far the most teams in the qualifiers. Historically;
- East 4
- West 5
- Central 2
- South 2
- International 4
- North 7

I suspect that Jersey Express, Cannons, and True Annapolis will be in the mix, but each of the 4 teams I think will advance are combined/all-star teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/27/21 10:34 AM
Were any of the previous International teams truly international or just all star teams of international descent? I wonder because if they were truly International then they might not yet be allowed in the country which could open up a couple more spots for this region.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/08/21 08:14 PM
A guess at the HoCo Divisional alignment using Fall 2020 Results, USCL team rankings, wins vs. USCL Top 100 teams, 2019 Division alignment, and the WAG principle. Teams are not in any particular order within a division.

[b]2021 Spring Season[/b]
Team & USCL Rank [Fall Record] and H2H Wins Other Top USCL 100 Wins Spring Results
2025 Elite
1 #1 Team 91 MD [7-0] #9 FCA, Madlax Capital, #15 DC Express Black #7 Sweetlax FL, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 NXT Black, #39 West Coast Starz Gold,
2 #5 Annapolis Hawks [4-0-1] #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 ADVNC, #27 Denver Elite Silver, #39 West Coast Starz Gold
3 #4 Madlax Capital [11-2] MD Roughriders, #14 Next Level Blue, #37 Crabs, VLC
4 #15 DC Express Black [11-3] #4 Team 91 LI, #11 Crabs #24 Texas Mustangs, #34 True Atlantic, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness
5 #9 FCA [8-1-1] #37 Crabs #20 Team Ten, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #26 True Midwest, #39 West Coast Starz Gold, #40 Leading Edge, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #92 Top Caliber
6 #14 Next Level Blue [9-3] Kooper's, DC Express Black, Looney's, True Annapolis Green #24 Texas Mustangs, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers
7 Cannons Select Gold [4-0] True Annapolis White
8 #12 True Annapolis Green [8-1] #37 Crabs, VLC #55 Omnia, #18 West Coast Starz Navy, #91 True PA Black, #52 True Pittsburgh,


2025 AAA
1 #37 Crabs [2-4] Looney's #92 Top Caliber L vs Zingos 3/7 Play Day
2 #58 Koopers [2-2] Hawks Black #82 True Utah
3 #28 Zingos Black [7-1-1] #60 PLC Gold #30 Orange Crush, #31 Brotherly Love, #72 Philly Freedom Red, #85 Tri-State, #88 Rising Sons Navy W vs Crabs 3/7 Play Day
4 Greene Turtle
5 #60 PLC Gold [2-5] Hawks Black #44 Mad Dog
6 #50 VLC [3-6] Looney's
7 Sidewinders [3-0] Hawks Black
8 #92 Top Caliber [6-3] #28 Zingos Black


2025 AA
1 Breakers Blue
2 HLC
3 AYLC Bay Raiders [3-0] True Baltimore
4 Rock A
5 Looney's [0-6-1]
6 FLC
7 Next Level Red #89 Southshore
8 #84 Team Maryland LC [4-2] #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #89 Southshore


2025 A
1 Cannons Select Blue
2 Madlax DMV
3 Hard Lax Elite [0-3]
4 Roughriders
5 Breakers Orange
6 Mesa MD [2-1] #78 PLC Black
7 HoCo Pink
8 Annapolis Hawks Black [2-2] W vs True Baltimore at Spring Classic
9 True Baltimore [1-2] [0-4] at Atlantic Spring Classic


2025 B
1 True Annapolis White [0-3] W vs True Balt @ Atlantic Spring Classic
2 Rock B
3 Blue Claws
4 HoCo Black
5 #78 PLC Black [1-6] # 99 Platform Academy Black
6 Olney Bears
7 Baltimore Elite Lax
8 Ville Lacrosse
9 Zingos Blue [size:14pt][/size]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/09/21 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A guess at the HoCo Divisional alignment using Fall 2020 Results, USCL team rankings, wins vs. USCL Top 100 teams, 2019 Division alignment, and the WAG principle. Teams are not in any particular order within a division.

[b]2021 Spring Season[/b]
Team & USCL Rank [Fall Record] and H2H Wins Other Top USCL 100 Wins Spring Results
2025 Elite
1 #1 Team 91 MD [7-0] #9 FCA, Madlax Capital, #15 DC Express Black #7 Sweetlax FL, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 NXT Black, #39 West Coast Starz Gold,
2 #5 Annapolis Hawks [4-0-1] #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 ADVNC, #27 Denver Elite Silver, #39 West Coast Starz Gold
3 #4 Madlax Capital [11-2] MD Roughriders, #14 Next Level Blue, #37 Crabs, VLC
4 #15 DC Express Black [11-3] #4 Team 91 LI, #11 Crabs #24 Texas Mustangs, #34 True Atlantic, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness
5 #9 FCA [8-1-1] #37 Crabs #20 Team Ten, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #26 True Midwest, #39 West Coast Starz Gold, #40 Leading Edge, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #92 Top Caliber
6 #14 Next Level Blue [9-3] Kooper's, DC Express Black, Looney's, True Annapolis Green #24 Texas Mustangs, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers
7 Cannons Select Gold [4-0] True Annapolis White
8 #12 True Annapolis Green [8-1] #37 Crabs, VLC #55 Omnia, #18 West Coast Starz Navy, #91 True PA Black, #52 True Pittsburgh,


2025 AAA
1 #37 Crabs [2-4] Looney's #92 Top Caliber L vs Zingos 3/7 Play Day
2 #58 Koopers [2-2] Hawks Black #82 True Utah
3 #28 Zingos Black [7-1-1] #60 PLC Gold #30 Orange Crush, #31 Brotherly Love, #72 Philly Freedom Red, #85 Tri-State, #88 Rising Sons Navy W vs Crabs 3/7 Play Day
4 Greene Turtle
5 #60 PLC Gold [2-5] Hawks Black #44 Mad Dog
6 #50 VLC [3-6] Looney's
7 Sidewinders [3-0] Hawks Black
8 #92 Top Caliber [6-3] #28 Zingos Black


2025 AA
1 Breakers Blue
2 HLC
3 AYLC Bay Raiders [3-0] True Baltimore
4 Rock A
5 Looney's [0-6-1]
6 FLC
7 Next Level Red #89 Southshore
8 #84 Team Maryland LC [4-2] #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #89 Southshore


2025 A
1 Cannons Select Blue
2 Madlax DMV
3 Hard Lax Elite [0-3]
4 Roughriders
5 Breakers Orange
6 Mesa MD [2-1] #78 PLC Black
7 HoCo Pink
8 Annapolis Hawks Black [2-2] W vs True Baltimore at Spring Classic
9 True Baltimore [1-2] [0-4] at Atlantic Spring Classic


2025 B
1 True Annapolis White [0-3] W vs True Balt @ Atlantic Spring Classic
2 Rock B
3 Blue Claws
4 HoCo Black
5 #78 PLC Black [1-6] # 99 Platform Academy Black
6 Olney Bears
7 Baltimore Elite Lax
8 Ville Lacrosse
9 Zingos Blue [size:14pt][/size]

Do you really think HoCo will use ANY of this data?

No
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/14/21 10:49 PM
Where is DC Express Orange?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/21 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is DC Express Orange?
In the AA bracket
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/21 06:50 PM
BS. Sandbagging. They are going to run over everyone in AA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/21 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS. Sandbagging. They are going to run over everyone in AA.

Is the Express Orange team that strong? AA is a pretty high division for a B team. That would actually be pretty impressive if a club in any grade year had their first team in Elite and their second team in AAA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/21 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black


I think more than 4 will advance. More like 6 or 7 based on previous years. Maybe add in Jersey Express, Cannons and True Annapolis as potential contenders.

Only 4 have advanced from the East since 2017. WSYL has been pulling extra teams from North Region because they have by far the most teams in the qualifiers. Historically;
- East 4
- West 5
- Central 2
- South 2
- International 4
- North 7

I suspect that Jersey Express, Cannons, and True Annapolis will be in the mix, but each of the 4 teams I think will advance are combined/all-star teams.

I wouldnt think that there will be international teams this year so that'll open up spots.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/21 07:44 PM
2025 Express Orange is solid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/21 07:54 PM
W/E Results for HoCo Elite teams:

Next Level Blue 4-0 (Mad Dog, LI Express, Looney's, CLCA u14) + 22 GD
FCA 3-0 (LI Express, Leading Edge, DCE Black) +22 GD
91 MD 3-0 (Philly Freedom, True IL WS, Mad Dog) +29 GD
Cannons Gold 3-0 (CLCA u14, Looney's, VLC) +4 GD
DCE Black 2-1 (W vs Leading Edge & LI Express, L vs FCA) +3 GD
Madlax Capital 2-1 (W vs Hawks Green & Regulators, L vs WCS Gold), +5 Goal Differential
Hawks Green 1-2 (W vs WCS Gold, L vs Madlax Capital & Prime Time) -2 GD


I've seen that 91 is the team to beat at 2025 Elite, but based on the scores and observations at Spring Kickoff games, NL Blue and FCA are going to give them trouble. Even though they won, I heard that 91 did not look good vs Mad Dog (playing in their 6th game of the weekend) and MM was losing his mind and berating/belittling his players for the majority of the game (sidebar: how/why does anyone play for this guy?). I would not be surprised if 91 misses the playoffs in May. Not sure what is going on in Annapolis, but Hawks have beaten teams like the ones they played last weekend in the past. FCA appears to have strengthened their roster since last summer. NL Blue and DCE Black players were playing on multiple teams so likely running out of gas on Sunday. If Madlax can bring all of their out-of-area players to every game they along with DCE Black, NL Blue and FCA are likely top 4 in 2025 Elite. Should be a drama filled spring which I'm sure will be bantered about here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/16/21 02:25 PM
You're going to declare the top 4 as DCE, NL and FCA along with Madlax based off 1 weekend of Spring playdays. Wow! That's a big stretch. The 2025 Elite division of HoCo is so competitive this it is going to be a battle every weekend. 6 teams can win this year:
Team 91MD - until someone beats them still the team to beat.
Hawks - defending HoCo champs from 2 years ago, so always tough
Madlax - with the addition of out of state players very tough
FCA - continues to improve and has a legitimate shot.
NL - with their new 2024 players coming down will be in serious contention
DCE - same as NL with addition of 2024 players

No idea why anyone else would even want to be in this division. Crabs, Looneys, True, and Cannons, should run to AAA as these top 6 are crazy good. Watch them play, they all look like HS teams. All well coached and crazy talent. The team that's puts it together for the playoffs, stays healthy (probably the biggest key), and can win close games will win this division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/16/21 02:33 PM
They look like high school teams for a reason ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/16/21 03:15 PM
Understand what you are implying and though probably true, these boys really know how to play the game and would be still be young for Varsity. Say what you will about the coaching, good and bad, the boys are learning the game. Very impressed with this age group!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/16/21 04:01 PM
Kids don’t have to play varsity as a freshman ! They probably shouldn’t...2025 parent and your right the class is strong on it’s own, let the 2024’s move on
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/16/21 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS. Sandbagging. They are going to run over everyone in AA.

Is the Express Orange team that strong? AA is a pretty high division for a B team. That would actually be pretty impressive if a club in any grade year had their first team in Elite and their second team in AAA.

That DCE team is made up of players that moved down from the DCE Elite team, the 3D-Maryland fold and some former Team Maryland. They won the fall league easily and should do the same this spring in AA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/17/21 12:15 AM
If you saw DC Express Orange play this spring, they are not sand bagging. They are in the appropriate division.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/17/21 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you saw DC Express Orange play this spring, they are not sand bagging. They are in the appropriate division.

Spring hasn’t happened yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/17/21 03:18 PM
https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse....quit-max-wsyl-il-13u-14u-world-rankings/

WSYL/IL 14U Preseason World Rankings:
1. Long Island Express (NY)
2. Team 91 Long Island (NY)
3. Madlax Capital (DMV)
4. Sweetlax FL (FL)
5. Eclipse (CT)
6. True IL 2025 Premier (IL)
7. Berserkers (CA)
8. NPL (WA/OR)
9. Igloo Northface (NY)
10. Prime Time 2025 (NY)
11. Sixers (CO)
12. Express North (CT)
13. Stealth (FL)
14. ADVNC Bayhawks (CA)
15. Building Blocks LC (NJ)
16. Orange Crush (NY)
17. Evolve (CAN)
18. Express North (CT)
19. 2Way (CT)
20. Jersey Express (NJ)
21. Mad Dog Black (NJ)
22. HP Mohicans (TX)
23. True MN 2025 AAA (MN)
24. CT Wolves (CT)
25. Cannons Gold (MD)

Watchlist: 302 Lacrosse (DE), Evolve BC (CAN), VLC Black Ops (VA), Zingos Black (MD), Breakers Blue (MD), Regulators (NY), Shore 2 Shore Hawks (NY), Legacy Lacrosse (NY)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/17/21 04:03 PM
Week 1:

FCA
Annapolis Hawks vs
Fri- 7:30 pm

True Annapolis Green vs
Looney's
Sat- 8:00 AM

Madlax Capital vs
Next Level Blue
Sat- 9:30 AM

Team 91 vs
Crabs
Sat- 11:00 AM

DC Express Black vs
Annapolis Hawks Green
Sat- 12:30 PM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/17/21 04:05 PM
Looks like True Annapolis 2025 had a good game against True Illinois last Saturday.. looks like it may have been a scrimmage...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBoCcqWj9BA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/18/21 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Week 1:

FCA
Annapolis Hawks vs
Fri- 7:30 pm

True Annapolis Green vs
Looney's
Sat- 8:00 AM

Madlax Capital vs
Next Level Blue
Sat- 9:30 AM

Team 91 vs
Crabs
Sat- 11:00 AM

DC Express Black vs
Annapolis Hawks Green
Sat- 12:30 PM

Hawks, Looney's Madlax, 91 and Hawks all win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/18/21 08:04 PM
FCA, True, Next Level, 91 and Hawks....ready to get it going!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/18/21 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You're going to declare the top 4 as DCE, NL and FCA along with Madlax based off 1 weekend of Spring playdays. Wow! That's a big stretch. The 2025 Elite division of HoCo is so competitive this it is going to be a battle every weekend. 6 teams can win this year:
Team 91MD - until someone beats them still the team to beat.
Hawks - defending HoCo champs from 2 years ago, so always tough
Madlax - with the addition of out of state players very tough
FCA - continues to improve and has a legitimate shot.
NL - with their new 2024 players coming down will be in serious contention
DCE - same as NL with addition of 2024 players

No idea why anyone else would even want to be in this division. Crabs, Looneys, True, and Cannons, should run to AAA as these top 6 are crazy good. Watch them play, they all look like HS teams. All well coached and crazy talent. The team that's puts it together for the playoffs, stays healthy (probably the biggest key), and can win close games will win this division.

Hilarious, They look like High School Teams because they are for the most part. The better players are on age Freshman in High School. Not that hard to figure out. All of them would start in 9th grade at any other area HS besides a hot bed area. And some will still contribute next year to their HS even in this area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/19/21 08:32 AM
Did we watch the same game? I believe True Annapolis was the dark colored uniform and from what I saw they scored one man down goal to Illinois 7 or 8. I saw a lot of dropped passes and clears thrown out of bounds - little to no ride. If you think that team competes in the Elite HOCO division against the likes of FCA, NL and 91 just look at the scores when they play those teams. It will be a long year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/19/21 11:35 AM
True Annapolis was in white
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/19/21 12:06 PM
Did we watch the same game? I believe True Annapolis was the dark colored uniform and from what I saw they scored one man down goal to Illinois 7 or 8. I saw a lot of dropped passes and clears thrown out of bounds - little to no ride. If you think that team competes in the Elite HOCO division against the likes of FCA, NL and 91 just look at the scores when they play those teams. It will be a long year.

True Annapolis was in white

.. Funny thing is that True Illinois went on to play pretty well the next day in the March Kickoff tournament. They are on age for grade kids and beat Philly Freedom 7-1(who is mediocre this year) lost to Team 91MD (lots of older kids) by 10-3 and beat Mad Dog (on age, going to WSYL) 6-4. Those games are on YouTube as well. Probably a good tune up for them. Their long poles pressure heavy outside and some of their midis have good dodges, and they capitalized on miscommunication by the other team's long poles. Don't think they are going to be a national title contender, but a pretty good team nonetheless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/19/21 04:51 PM
WSYL Schedule https://lacrosse.exposureevents.com/164110/2021-wsyl-east-qualifier/schedule?divisionid=511070
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/21/21 05:12 PM
Next Level 13 MadLax 5
Team 91 16 Crabs 7
DC Express 8 Annapolis Hawks 6
True Annapolis 12 Looney’s 2

So not sure there were too many surprises in opening weekend except for maybe Hawks losing their opening game in a tight one to DC Express. Any thoughts out there on the weekend on the turf.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/21/21 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next Level 13 MadLax 5
Team 91 16 Crabs 7
DC Express 8 Annapolis Hawks 6
True Annapolis 12 Looney’s 2

So not sure there were too many surprises in opening weekend except for maybe Hawks losing their opening game in a tight one to DC Express. Any thoughts out there on the weekend on the turf.

Thought mad lax would have been a bit closer? The next level vs 91 game will be fun to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/22/21 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next Level 13 MadLax 5
Team 91 16 Crabs 7
DC Express 8 Annapolis Hawks 6
True Annapolis 12 Looney’s 2

So not sure there were too many surprises in opening weekend except for maybe Hawks losing their opening game in a tight one to DC Express. Any thoughts out there on the weekend on the turf.

Thought mad lax would have been a bit closer? The next level vs 91 game will be fun to watch.

Next Level played loose and looked motivated & confident, lotta hustle from the team. Madlax not so much. They looked timid and unsure of themselves. Not sure how many of their players were missing who may have been traveling to DE to play for Monuments, or will miss next week because of WSYL East Qualifier (same for NL & DCE players who are also on Black Ops Team). Crabs were very physical, getting a couple of illegal body check calls vs 91. 91 was able to handle the pressure, but looked tentative and like they were playing to not make a mistake. DCE was bigger and faster than Hawks, who just got wore down as the game went on. Credit to the Naptown boys for keeping it as close as they did. This is definitely not the Hawks of old. Not sure how Looney's made it into Elite. Gonna be a long spring for them, especially with 91 on the docket for next week. True has some good athletes and looked good against a lesser opponent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/22/21 08:12 PM
Madlax looked meh. They have one attackman. Not a lot else. Rolled over pretty quickly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/23/21 02:35 PM
DCE Orange does not have kids who moved down from elite bc 2025 is the first year of DCE. The team is mostly made up of the BLC Orange kids. There are about four or five from clubs other than BLC - and two of the clubs disbanded. The team is well coached and has great athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/25/21 04:12 PM
Okay everyone....now that play days, scrimmages and 1 week of HOCO (for most teams) are in the books, who do you think will be the top 4-6 teams that advance from the East for the WSYL? I realize several posters have expressed disdain for the tourney, but honestly just trying to have an open dialogue and discussion as to what people think. Mostly, just excited that the boys are getting the chance to get on the field!! Good luck to everyone!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/25/21 04:27 PM
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/25/21 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/25/21 05:36 PM
Don't know much about Black Ops and Monuments, other than they are combinations of other clubs, but I think Jersey Express will be in the top 4. Not sold on True Annapolis just yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/25/21 09:32 PM
Rumor has it a lacrosse dad got their kid kicked out of SJC before he even started? Any truth to that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/25/21 10:03 PM
Is 91Md not in the running for WSLY?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/26/21 12:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is 91Md not in the running for WSLY?
nope, 9/1 birthday might be an issue
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/26/21 12:23 PM
I am just excited that these U14 boys get to play this weekend in the WSYL. Most of them have been waiting to play in this event for 18+ months. Good Luck to everyone and enjoy the weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/26/21 03:03 PM
Get ready for the weather this weekend in Delaware. Beautiful on Saturday, thunderstorms on Sunday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/26/21 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor has it a lacrosse dad got their kid kicked out of SJC before he even started? Any truth to that?

YES! It is true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/26/21 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor has it a lacrosse dad got their kid kicked out of SJC before he even started? Any truth to that?

Nope. Kids can do that on their own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/26/21 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.
Way off on Zingos team, coaches, and club
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/26/21 08:15 PM
What club team was he on? I like to steer clear of teams with Bad parents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/27/21 03:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What club team was he on? I like to steer clear of teams with Bad parents.

Then you wouldnt play anyone
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/27/21 02:26 PM
Early games have played https://lacrosse.exposureevents.com...edulestandingsbrackets?divisionid=511070
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/27/21 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/27/21 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/28/21 06:49 PM
SJC?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/28/21 10:22 PM
SJC = St John’s College High School in DC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...

You are following Zingos ?? Wow. What next ? Analysis of rec B and who is taking ship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers.

Breakers has been advertising and pumping up this “WSYL team” for about 3 years now. So much for that. But guess it was good for their kids to get a chance to play there. Even if they got shellacked. They will be able to feel better about themselves this summer when they get to control their draw in Aloha tourneys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...

You are following Zingos ?? Wow. What next ? Analysis of rec B and who is taking ship.

Wait... I thought Zingos was rec B.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 01:31 PM
"OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in..."

"Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers."....




I thought that Zingos would do a little better as well. They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement and that may have made the difference. I expected them to win at least one, maybe 2 games in pool play.

Breakers had a tough go of it. They did not score one goal on Saturday, and lost to Zingos on Sunday.

I thought that Cannon's might do slightly better than they did. They went 3-0 and pool play. They lost to Black Ops in the first round of championship play. If anyone should be angry about the formation of super-teams (Black Ops, Top Caliber (Top Caliber and Team Maryland), and MadLax), it should be Cannon's, as they got bumped out of the final 4 by Black Ops). Sold team. They may have been dejected after losing to Black Ops and ended up losing to Garden State in the next game , who they beat handily in pool play.

Top Caliber was disappointing, their normal team and Team Maryland's are much better than the combined WSYL team - that tells me that they have a lot of older kids on their HOCO/Summer tournament teams.

BBL was the men among boys in this tournament. Not only were they bigger, but they acted a lot older than 14 year olds - they acted like the college players that you see on ESPN/ACC Network. Also, quite a bit of trash talking by the kids during the game, the coach "Run up the score", and the parents on the sidelines.. f bombs galore.

True Annapolis is very quick and well coached. Lanky, athletic kids. They will go far as they get older and fill out and gain mass. Their only losses over the weekend were to BBL.

Glad to see the kids playing lacrosse again - great to be out there amongst the hustle and bustle of a tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in..."

"Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers."....




I thought that Zingos would do a little better as well. They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement and that may have made the difference. I expected them to win at least one, maybe 2 games in pool play.

Breakers had a tough go of it. They did not score one goal on Saturday, and lost to Zingos on Sunday.

I thought that Cannon's might do slightly better than they did. They went 3-0 and pool play. They lost to Black Ops in the first round of championship play. If anyone should be angry about the formation of super-teams (Black Ops, Top Caliber (Top Caliber and Team Maryland), and MadLax), it should be Cannon's, as they got bumped out of the final 4 by Black Ops). Sold team. They may have been dejected after losing to Black Ops and ended up losing to Garden State in the next game , who they beat handily in pool play.

Top Caliber was disappointing, their normal team and Team Maryland's are much better than the combined WSYL team - that tells me that they have a lot of older kids on their HOCO/Summer tournament teams.

BBL was the men among boys in this tournament. Not only were they bigger, but they acted a lot older than 14 year olds - they acted like the college players that you see on ESPN/ACC Network. Also, quite a bit of trash talking by the kids during the game, the coach "Run up the score", and the parents on the sidelines.. f bombs galore.

True Annapolis is very quick and well coached. Lanky, athletic kids. They will go far as they get older and fill out and gain mass. Their only losses over the weekend were to BBL.

Glad to see the kids playing lacrosse again - great to be out there amongst the hustle and bustle of a tournament.

" They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement..." So let's dispense with the nonsense that Zingos can compete with on-age teams since they by definition have holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in..."

"Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers."....




I thought that Zingos would do a little better as well. They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement and that may have made the difference. I expected them to win at least one, maybe 2 games in pool play.

Breakers had a tough go of it. They did not score one goal on Saturday, and lost to Zingos on Sunday.

I thought that Cannon's might do slightly better than they did. They went 3-0 and pool play. They lost to Black Ops in the first round of championship play. If anyone should be angry about the formation of super-teams (Black Ops, Top Caliber (Top Caliber and Team Maryland), and MadLax), it should be Cannon's, as they got bumped out of the final 4 by Black Ops). Sold team. They may have been dejected after losing to Black Ops and ended up losing to Garden State in the next game , who they beat handily in pool play.

Top Caliber was disappointing, their normal team and Team Maryland's are much better than the combined WSYL team - that tells me that they have a lot of older kids on their HOCO/Summer tournament teams.

BBL was the men among boys in this tournament. Not only were they bigger, but they acted a lot older than 14 year olds - they acted like the college players that you see on ESPN/ACC Network. Also, quite a bit of trash talking by the kids during the game, the coach "Run up the score", and the parents on the sidelines.. f bombs galore.

True Annapolis is very quick and well coached. Lanky, athletic kids. They will go far as they get older and fill out and gain mass. Their only losses over the weekend were to BBL.

Glad to see the kids playing lacrosse again - great to be out there amongst the hustle and bustle of a tournament.

" They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement..." So let's dispense with the nonsense that Zingos can compete with on-age teams since they by definition have holdbacks.

The OP had an astute post about the weekend and from what I saw I agree. Cannons surprised me too and thought they would come out as the dark horse, BBL observations on point, True A legit. didn't see Breakers, Zingos blew a tie in the one game I saw but solid otherwise.... Popcorn ready for the dad whose team was not there and is angry with a certain club for some reason
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.

OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers

Breakers has been advertising and pumping up this “WSYL team” for about 3 years now. So much for that. But guess it was good for their kids to get a chance to play there. Even if they got shellacked. They will be able to feel better about themselves this summer when they get to control their draw in Aloha tourneys.

Zingo's , Breakers can get off rec teams and move to elite teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 07:09 PM
2025 Mad Dog Black needs to decide what they are going to do moving forward. They cannot acquire any more talent than what they have and are heading towards the team just staying together because they are friends. NJ has some good High School teams in BBL, LE and Tri State. Should be interesting to see what the kids do on this team because there are at least 8 kids that are really good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Mad Dog Black needs to decide what they are going to do moving forward. They cannot acquire any more talent than what they have and are heading towards the team just staying together because they are friends. NJ has some good High School teams in BBL, LE and Tri State. Should be interesting to see what the kids do on this team because there are at least 8 kids that are really good.

Felt bad for Mad Dog 2025. They clearly drew the short straw from the schedulers having to face Black Ops (tight loss in overtime), Jersey Express and Monuments. They were better than their 0-3 day one reflected.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/29/21 09:26 PM
True Annapolis - 2025 - they are a quality team. They played dirty at times though. On Saturday... Ball was at midfield going toward True's defensive end. True attackman comes from behind the opposing team's long pole (in front of the opposing team's goal, far away from the play), and slashes him, breaks his wrist, out of the game, probably out of the tournament. Play stopped for 5-10 minutes while the golf cart came on the field and took the hurt kid off the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/31/21 01:50 PM
Humorous/entertaining tidbits from the tournament:

Cheap shot of the day: Above mentioned slash by True Annapolis attackmen coming from behind and breaking a pole's arm away from the play.

Awards for "What were you thinking?"
1) WSYL organizers: putting the game film camera scaffolding 6 feet from the sidelines. Within 5 minutes of the first game, player from one team pushes a sprinting a midi out of bounds at mid-field and the midi goes crashing directly into the metal scaffolding and tears up his legs on the old fashioned wheels. Kid's legs are beat up, but no concussions from hitting the metal scaffolding. Parents then move the scaffolding farther away from the sideline.
2) WSYL organizers (again) - not marking the center out of bounds lines with a pylon/marker. As a result, multiple kids run out of bounds, thinking that the out of bounds was another painted line 6 feet away. Parents spoke up and a marker was put on the midfield line.
3) FCA Upstate U13 coaches - Warming up for their next game in the 10 feet of space between the shooting nets and the end lines, while a game was going on the field. Balls going out on the field, game players distracted and confused. They are soon directed to an adjacent open field.

Other humorous stories/tidbits are welcomed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/31/21 02:52 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Club AYLC? Is this a competitive club team or rec? Is this a daddy ball team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/31/21 07:43 PM
Will the WSYL kids be able to tryout for the UA All American showcase? Looks like the days overlap for the DC tryout. Has anyone had the guts to ask if players will be excused from the festivities to tryout?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/31/21 08:07 PM
Or just do UA next year and the next year and the next year. He is in 8th grade. Relax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/01/21 03:34 AM
There are at least 3 who moved down from BLC blue, last years elite pre-DCE team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/01/21 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humorous/entertaining tidbits from the tournament:

Cheap shot of the day: Above mentioned slash by True Annapolis attackmen coming from behind and breaking a pole's arm away from the play.

Awards for "What were you thinking?"
1) WSYL organizers: putting the game film camera scaffolding 6 feet from the sidelines. Within 5 minutes of the first game, player from one team pushes a sprinting a midi out of bounds at mid-field and the midi goes crashing directly into the metal scaffolding and tears up his legs on the old fashioned wheels. Kid's legs are beat up, but no concussions from hitting the metal scaffolding. Parents then move the scaffolding farther away from the sideline.
2) WSYL organizers (again) - not marking the center out of bounds lines with a pylon/marker. As a result, multiple kids run out of bounds, thinking that the out of bounds was another painted line 6 feet away. Parents spoke up and a marker was put on the midfield line.
3) FCA Upstate U13 coaches - Warming up for their next game in the 10 feet of space between the shooting nets and the end lines, while a game was going on the field. Balls going out on the field, game players distracted and confused. They are soon directed to an adjacent open field.

Other humorous stories/tidbits are welcomed.

Good for you. "Humorous and entertaining," indeed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/01/21 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Or just do UA next year and the next year and the next year. He is in 8th grade. Relax.

Love this response! So true!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/05/21 09:13 PM
What's the turn out going to be at this??? Who's going? June 19-20 in MD.

https://youthlaxchampionship.com/
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/21 02:40 AM
HOCO League Results today

Elite
Crabs 11 vs FCA 10
Madlax Capital 10 vs True Annapolis Green 3
Team 91 10 vs DC Express Black 3
Next Level Blue 11 vs Annapolis Hawks Green 7

AAA
Top Caliber 10 vs Green Turtle 4
Hawks Black 10 vs PLC Gold 5
Zingo's Black 7 vs VLC 6
Kooper's 6 vs Sidewinders 5
Cannon's Gold 12 vs Team Maryland LC 11

AA
DC Express Orange 16 vs Breakers Blue 2
ALC Bay Raiders 13 vs FLC 6
Rock Top 22 12 vs Madlax DMV 6
Next Level Red 6 vs HLC 2

A
Cannon's Blue 7 vs MESA 5
Rock Top 44 5 vs True Baltimore 7
HoCo Pink 5 vs Hard Lax Elite 9
True Annapolis White 11 vs Breakers Orange 8
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/21 04:51 AM
HOCO A

Where is this hardlax elite team from? 28 GF 13 GA. Never heard of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/21 07:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HOCO A

Where is this hardlax elite team from? 28 GF 13 GA. Never heard of them.

Northern VA, new club coached and founded by great coach from PVI high school. Great opportunity for folks in that area. Good people involved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/21 10:36 PM
Thank you for posting the HOCO 2025 scores. Great to see it all in one place each week.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/13/21 07:02 PM
2025 HOCO Scores from Sunday April 11th

Elite
Hawks Green 12 FCA 11

AAA
Cannons Gold 13 Kooper's 2
Top Caliber 10 VLC 8

AA
Breakers 8 Madlax DMV 3
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/18/21 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you saw DC Express Orange play this spring, they are not sand bagging. They are in the appropriate division.


Really??? This post hasn't aged well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/20/21 03:05 PM
TM 2025 v Zingos 2025 AAA HoCo stream 4/20 7pm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDbwYDaumkM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/21/21 07:50 PM
Anyone know of any teams playing in the Delaware Spring Classic Tournament on 23 May?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/21/21 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know of any teams playing in the Delaware Spring Classic Tournament on 23 May?

Good Mix of NJ/MD/NY teams!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/22/21 02:19 PM
Ok. Care to name any specific teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 10:36 AM
2025 Elite Division Standings & Games (4/24-25)

Saturday Games
Madlax Capital: 12 vs FCA: 9
Team 91: 16 vs Annapolis Hawks Green: 6
Next Level Blue: 17 vs Looney's: 4
DC Express Black: 9 vs Crabs: 8

Sunday Games
Team 91: 14 vs Madlax Capital: 5
True Annapolis Green: 8 vs FCA: 7
Next Level Blue: 9 vs DC Express Black: 8 

Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6
 Next Level Blue 4:1. AGD +4.8
 DC Express Black 3:2. AGD +0.4
 Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
 Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3. AGD +1
 True Annapolis Green. 2:2. AGD +0.5
 Madlax Capital. 2:3. AGD -1.6
 FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
 Looney's 0:5. AGD -11
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 10:58 AM
Team 91 continues to work hard and have success in a very tough division. Next weeks game vs Next Level will be the one to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 11:16 AM
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 11:45 AM
2025 AAA Division Standings & Games (week of 4/24)

Team Maryland LC: 9 vs Zingo's Black: 8
PLC Gold: 7 vs Sidewinders: 6 
Cannon's Gold: 12 vs Hawks Black: 2
Kooper's: 9 vs Zingo's Black: 8
Team Maryland LC: 11 vs Top Caliber: 6
VLC: 6 vs Green Turtle: 2

Standings 
 Cannon's 5:0
 Kooper's 4:1
 Team MD LC 4:1
 Green Turtle 3:2
 Top Caliber 3:2
 VLC 2:3
 Zingo's Black 1:4
 PLC Gold 1:4
 Hawks Black 1:4
 Sidewinders 1:4
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 01:24 PM
2025 AA Division Standings & Games (week of 4/24)
Breakers Blue: 4 vs THLC 3 
ALC Bay Raiders:12 vs Rock Top 22: 6
Next Level Red:14 vs Madlax DMV: 1
DC Express Orange:14 vs FLC: 4

Standings 
DC Express Orange 5:0 
Next Level Red 5:0 
ALC Bay Raiders 4:1 
Breakers Blue 2:3 
Rock Top 22 2:3 
FLC 2:3 
HLC 0:5 
Madlax DMV 0:5
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively

I've watched of couple of 91's games when our guys played either before or after. They are really good offensively, seem to dominate on time of possession while averaging almost 15 goals per game. They just wear down opposing defenses. And the face off guy is pretty good at getting them the possessions. With their defense giving up fewer than 5 goals per game, they are pretty stout as well. Hopefully the game vs NL will be live streamed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively

I've watched of couple of 91's games when our guys played either before or after. They are really good offensively, seem to dominate on time of possession while averaging almost 15 goals per game. They just wear down opposing defenses. And the face off guy is pretty good at getting them the possessions. With their defense giving up fewer than 5 goals per game, they are pretty stout as well. Hopefully the game vs NL will be live streamed.

I actually think 91's offense and time of possession is their best defense.... I consider their D average at very best. But when your O is scoring 15+ a game - who cares? lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 03:25 PM
"91 is a machine offensively"

Agree - they have a lot of depth (I think at least 7 different players scored in our game) and spread out opposing defense making it look easy.

Looks like they are also a defensive powerhouse with less than 5 goals a game. Any take on that? Is it mostly because they can keep the ball on their side of the field?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively

I've watched of couple of 91's games when our guys played either before or after. They are really good offensively, seem to dominate on time of possession while averaging almost 15 goals per game. They just wear down opposing defenses. And the face off guy is pretty good at getting them the possessions. With their defense giving up fewer than 5 goals per game, they are pretty stout as well. Hopefully the game vs NL will be live streamed.

I actually think 91's offense and time of possession is their best defense.... I consider their D average at very best. But when your O is scoring 15+ a game - who cares? lol

I've seen every team this season to this point. My team defense rankings:

1. Madlax
2. 91
3. DC Express
4. Hawks
5. Next Level
6. Crabs
7. True Annapolis
8. FCA
9. Looney's
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/21 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've seen every team this season to this point. My team defense rankings:

1. Madlax
2. 91
3. DC Express
4. Hawks
5. Next Level
6. Crabs
7. True Annapolis
8. FCA
9. Looney's

How do you evaluate the defense? I'm not throwing shade - I'm honestly trying to learn the game better. I'm an analyst so going by the numbers I would look at Total Goals given up, average goals against, and then probably % of games where they give up a lot of goals (win or lose). I'll choose 10 since it gives us a nice data distribution.

So even if you throw out the teams who haven't played 91 Madlax is only 4th of 7 - again based on the data.

How are you ranking them first? Is it based on how they play together? I know it's hard to quantify team work. Or how they "ride" or "body" or "hands" (things I hear people scream at the defense). I know there are other things at play - for instance the 91 offense makes the 91 defense look good statistically. I'm guessing a weak goalie could make a strong D look worse or vice versa.

     (Tot)  (GA avg).  (% of games where opponents score 10+ goals)
1 91_____  29   4.8    0%
2 express_  35   7.0    20%
3 NL*_____ 35  7.0     20%
4 TRUE*__  30  7.5     50%
5 hawks__   51  8.5     50%
6 madlax__  49  9.8    60%
7 crabs___   65  10.8.   50%
8 fca_____   72  12.0.   67%
9 looneys_   69  13.8.   80%

*haven't played 91 yet so may skew the data
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/27/21 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've seen every team this season to this point. My team defense rankings:

1. Madlax
2. 91
3. DC Express
4. Hawks
5. Next Level
6. Crabs
7. True Annapolis
8. FCA
9. Looney's

How do you evaluate the defense? I'm not throwing shade - I'm honestly trying to learn the game better. I'm an analyst so going by the numbers I would look at Total Goals given up, average goals against, and then probably % of games where they give up a lot of goals (win or lose). I'll choose 10 since it gives us a nice data distribution.

So even if you throw out the teams who haven't played 91 Madlax is only 4th of 7 - again based on the data.

How are you ranking them first? Is it based on how they play together? I know it's hard to quantify team work. Or how they "ride" or "body" or "hands" (things I hear people scream at the defense). I know there are other things at play - for instance the 91 offense makes the 91 defense look good statistically. I'm guessing a weak goalie could make a strong D look worse or vice versa.

     (Tot)  (GA avg).  (% of games where opponents score 10+ goals)
1 91_____  29   4.8    0%
2 express_  35   7.0    20%
3 NL*_____ 35  7.0     20%
4 TRUE*__  30  7.5     50%
5 hawks__   51  8.5     50%
6 madlax__  49  9.8    60%
7 crabs___   65  10.8.   50%
8 fca_____   72  12.0.   67%
9 looneys_   69  13.8.   80%

*haven't played 91 yet so may skew the data

Teams haven't played the same number of games (e.g., 91 => 6, NL => 5, True => 4) so data is skewed even without considering who has played who. You would need a lot more statistics to be able to quantitatively evaluate each teams defense, which I doubt even each team is doing. So either way there is going to be some inherent bias in any ranking because you either are using a limited data set on teams with uneven schedules or its based on "look and feel" or "gut feeling". If you had enough data you could consider Attacking Possessions, Goals Scored per Attacking Possession, Man Down Defense Opportunities vs Man Down Goals Against.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/27/21 01:29 PM
I can’t really see how the previous poster could rank MadLax above 91 at this point. 91 has only given up 29 goals in 6 games and MadLax has given up 49 through 5. They also beat MadLax 14-5 so e logic doesn’t make any sense here. Until someone can knock off the big dog 91 holds that #1 spot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/28/21 01:54 PM
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/28/21 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/28/21 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.

So I assume that to mean with Semi & Final on the same weekend that it is only the top 4 in each division? 1v4 2v3 Sat and then winners on Sun? Anyone below 4 is see you next year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/28/21 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.

So I assume that to mean with Semi & Final on the same weekend that it is only the top 4 in each division? 1v4 2v3 Sat and then winners on Sun? Anyone below 4 is see you next year?

What our coach told us is that the w/e of the 15th is a make up game weekend. Top 4 go to playoffs, semi's will be played on Fri 21st and Sat 22nd, championships on Sun 23rd.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/28/21 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.

So I assume that to mean with Semi & Final on the same weekend that it is only the top 4 in each division? 1v4 2v3 Sat and then winners on Sun? Anyone below 4 is see you next year?

In 2026, they are doing a play in where 4 plays 5 for the last spot. then that winner vs #1 and #2 vs #3.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/29/21 02:31 PM
If that's true, then that sounds silly, unless there's a tie between the 4 and % seed!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/01/21 11:20 PM
We can put this one to bed now since MadLax gave up 11 goals in a loss to the Hawks and 91 rolled again to beat Next Level 12-3. It’s not even close......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/21 08:53 PM
2025 Elite Division Standings & Games (5/2-3)

Saturday
Team 91: 12 vs Next Level: 3
True: 9 vs DC Express: 4
Hawks: 11 vs Madlax: 10
FCA: 18 vs Looney's: 7

Sunday
Madlax: 3 vs DC Express: 2
Next Level: 10 vs True: 8 

Standings
 Team 91 7:0 - Playoff Lock
 Next Level Blue 5:2 - Playoff Lock
 Crabs 4:3 - TBD
 Annapolis Hawks Green 4:3 - TBD
 True Annapolis Green 3:3 - TBD
Madlax Capital 3:4 - TBD
 DC Express Black 3:4 - TBD  
 FCA 2:5 - Out
 Looney's 0:7 - Out

Some of the TBDs are long shots but I think there is still a chance
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/21 09:37 PM
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 12:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

This is just absurd. Yes, Black is not doing well. Part of that is due to some injuries and part of that is just a testament to how strong the Elite Division is. And yes, Orange is doing very well. They are very talented for the AA Division. But they would be doing as poorly as Looney’s if they played in the Elite. It’s just not the same level of lacrosse in Elite as it is in AA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 01:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Elite Division Standings & Games (5/2-3)

Saturday
Team 91: 12 vs Next Level: 3
True: 9 vs DC Express: 4
Hawks: 11 vs Madlax: 10
FCA: 18 vs Looney's: 7

Sunday
Madlax: 3 vs DC Express: 2
Next Level: 10 vs True: 8 

Standings
 Team 91 7:0 - Playoff Lock
 Next Level Blue 5:2 - Playoff Lock
 Crabs 4:3 - TBD
 Annapolis Hawks Green 4:3 - TBD
 True Annapolis Green 3:3 - TBD
Madlax Capital 3:4 - TBD
 DC Express Black 3:4 - TBD  
 FCA 2:5 - Out
 Looney's 0:7 - Out

Some of the TBDs are long shots but I think there is still a chance

Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 02:39 PM
Incorrect, Hawks beat Crabs. But this scenario would come down to goals against and would probably end up in the Hawks favor as well. But there are many other scenarios that could come down to teams missing out on playoffs due to total goals against. Hawks and Crabs are in trouble if they both lose and DCE wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.

That is a very interesting scenario. If that does play out, Hawks, Crabs, True, ML, and DCE would all be tied at 4-4. Going through the tiebreakers, it would come down to #5 Total Goals Scored Against or #6 Coin Flip to determine final standings and playoff seeding. Could make for some very high scoring affairs this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Incorrect, Hawks beat Crabs. But this scenario would come down to goals against and would probably end up in the Hawks favor as well. But there are many other scenarios that could come down to teams missing out on playoffs due to total goals against. Hawks and Crabs are in trouble if they both lose and DCE wins.


Hawks are 3rd in Total GA, but True has 2 games this weekend, including 91 which is likely to blow that GA.

True - 44
DCE - 47
Hawks - 61
Madlax - 62
Crabs - 71
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.

While possible, its unlikely. Using the Colley Matrix algorthim (uses wins and strength of schedule) and current records, the team rankings (and Colley score) are:

#1 : Team 91 (0.855)
#2 : Next Level (0.646)
#3 : Hawks (0.555)
#4 : Crabs (0.535)
#5 : Madlax (0.485)
#6 : DC Express (0.465)
#7 : True Annapolis (0.455)
#8 : FCA (0.354)
#9 : Looney's (0.152)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/21 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

This is just absurd. Yes, Black is not doing well. Part of that is due to some injuries and part of that is just a testament to how strong the Elite Division is. And yes, Orange is doing very well. They are very talented for the AA Division. But they would be doing as poorly as Looney’s if they played in the Elite. It’s just not the same level of lacrosse in Elite as it is in AA.

Cool your jets Top Gun. I guess the Chardonnay was hitting just right on a Monday night MOM. You are going to go on here and blast the Black team...the same club as Orange...a majority of young men that are friends with each other!?!? I guess little Timmy didn't make the Black team so you feel the need to take a cheap shot from behind your keyboard? Maybe little Timmy should hit the wall! Yes, Orange is doing well. Yes, Orange should be competing in AAA. Orange hasn't won any championship and still has work to do...so chill out. With that said...Orange wants to play Looney's asap!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 05:58 AM
I am curious why MadLax 2025 isn't doing well. Ranked as the #1 team in the country and they're 3-4 in HoCo?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am curious why MadLax 2025 isn't doing well. Ranked as the #1 team in the country and they're 3-4 in HoCo?

Nice try troll. Madlax is not #1 for the reason you write about. Everyone knows who the #1 team in the country is, and they've beat ML the previous two outings.
Posted By: BOTCUser34 Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 04:24 PM
MadLax has different rosters based on what season it is. In the Summer, they will have tournament teams which will have boys from outside the area (on the 2025 team, 4-5 boys from TX will run with them.) The TX players and potentially others do not play with them during the HOCO season. That being said, they have not been ranked #1 for awhile now, but a top tier club with or without the out of area kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 05:13 PM
Thanks for the answer about Madlax. I am not the PP and not a troll, and was wondering the same thing - how a team in the national discussion would have a losing record in a local league. I knew they added Texas kids for summer tournaments but did not realize how big the impact.
Posted By: BOTCUser34 Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 05:29 PM
I would not characterize HOCO as 'just a local league.' Every team in that Elite division can play with, if not be favored to beat any out of area team. I am biased, but it has to be the most competitive league out there (I am sure some of the LI folks would disagree, and they would be the only ones that could even make a case.) Add 3-5 elite players to any team and it can make a huge difference. I would argue that at least 5 teams if not more should be listed as 5 of the top 10-15 (and probably 7 in the top 20) teams in the country. ie: FCA has not had a successful season by wins and losses but the talent that team has is excellent and they can beat any team in the country if on their game (coming from a non-FCA affiliated person)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 06:24 PM
No detest to you But fca does not have what It takes to be great. I strongly disagree with you when you said fca could be anyone in the country when they are playing their best
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 07:07 PM
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

Why so bitter about not making Black? Be happy in Orange, at least your son gets some playing time there.
Posted By: BOTCUser34 Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/21 08:22 PM
And by all means you are entitled to your own opinion. They have some very talented young men and have already posted wins in the past year or so against teams like LI Express, Hawks, Next Level, West Coast Starz Gold, etc. Thus I do not think my statement is that far fetched. So I disagree with your strong disagreement, recognizing they have also logged some very questionable losses. I believe scheme and potentially too much individual play may work against them, but again just my opinion. Solid squad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/06/21 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No detest to you But fca does not have what It takes to be great. I strongly disagree with you when you said fca could be anyone in the country when they are playing their best

The only team they can’t beat is Team 91 MD which is true of all 2025s.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/06/21 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax
Dude you have WAY too much time on your hands. Collecting unemployment?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/06/21 12:58 PM
Dude you have WAY too much time on your hands. Collecting unemployment?


Yes. Government pays me more to stay home than go to work!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/06/21 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax


There is a correction in Scenario 4. Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, True and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). DC Express and Hawks have higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3) and thus eliminate Madlax and True. DC Express would earn the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) s Hawks.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 – DC Express
#5 – Hawks

Using the scenarios, actual game results and Poisson distribution to develop playoff probabilities the following is offered. The columns represent the Playoff Seed #, and the rows are the likelihood that team earns that playoff seed. For example, Crabs have a 25% chance of earning #2 seed, and 50% chance of earning the #4 seed with a 75% chance of making the playoffs.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1- - - - 2- - - - -3- - - - -4- - - - -5 - -Overall Likelihood
Team 91 - - - - - - - - -1.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Next Level Blue - - - - - -0.000- - 0.750- - - 0.250- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Annapolis Hawks Green - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.625- - - 0.250- - -0.125- - -1.000
Crabs - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.250- - - 0.000- - - 0.500- - -0.000- - -0.750
Madlax Capital - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.875- - -0.875
DC Express Black- - - - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.125- - - 0.250- - -0.000- - -0.375
True- - - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -0.000

Other considerations:
- In order for Crabs to make the playoffs, they either need to win vs NL or FCA must win vs DCE.
- In order for DCE to make the playoffs, they need to win vs FCA and NL win vs Crabs or True win vs Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/21 12:49 AM
Sick amount of work and effort right here!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/21 02:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax


There is a correction in Scenario 4. Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, True and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). DC Express and Hawks have higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3) and thus eliminate Madlax and True. DC Express would earn the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) s Hawks.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 – DC Express
#5 – Hawks

Using the scenarios, actual game results and Poisson distribution to develop playoff probabilities the following is offered. The columns represent the Playoff Seed #, and the rows are the likelihood that team earns that playoff seed. For example, Crabs have a 25% chance of earning #2 seed, and 50% chance of earning the #4 seed with a 75% chance of making the playoffs.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1- - - - 2- - - - -3- - - - -4- - - - -5 - -Overall Likelihood
Team 91 - - - - - - - - -1.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Next Level Blue - - - - - -0.000- - 0.750- - - 0.250- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Annapolis Hawks Green - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.625- - - 0.250- - -0.125- - -1.000
Crabs - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.250- - - 0.000- - - 0.500- - -0.000- - -0.750
Madlax Capital - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.875- - -0.875
DC Express Black- - - - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.125- - - 0.250- - -0.000- - -0.375
True- - - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -0.000

Other considerations:
- In order for Crabs to make the playoffs, they either need to win vs NL or FCA must win vs DCE.
- In order for DCE to make the playoffs, they need to win vs FCA and NL win vs Crabs or True win vs Hawks.


This is exactly why I come here. For statistical analysis of 8th grade lacrosse. Cant get much better
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/21 03:00 AM
Nobody unemployed could afford to pay for "elite" lacrosse for 8th graders. Likely someone that makes so much money they have other people doing all their work.
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