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Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for Boys from the class of 2025 in the Mid-Atlantic region.
There seems to be a drop off in the amount of boys in this age bracket. Lots of clubs not fielding teams for 25
its a shame when clubs get a bad name because of the parent group and they can not get kids to tryout. the club is tarnished because of the parents and they get to move on and the club loses
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There seems to be a drop off in the amount of boys in this age bracket. Lots of clubs not fielding teams for 25

And others fielding two 25 teams. Club reputation is everything.
Any teams entering the WSYL?
No
Why?
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.
Advice please- family moving to Baltimore from top team out West. I know that translates to nothing back East so want to know best team for a 2025, or what any of you would suggest to learn with a good Coach because I hold no delusions about making a top team in MD. Any ideas appreciated thanks all
All the Baltimore teams play in the Howard County League, from the top level to the lower levels. You will find a home and can contact all the clubs by finding their websites. Teams have largely had tryouts but teams will always find room for a player who improves their team. My son plays for 91MD which is a very good team at that age but Crabs, FCA, Looneys, Breakers etc are all good teams in the area. You can see how they finished up the spring league here (not all are Baltimore teams, includes DC and Annapolis area teams). http://ghclc.teampages.com/ And know that at this age if you get on a team that is below his talent level, you can always move later on...
As the previous poster alluded to, there are a number of teams all over MD. Depending on what your looking to get out of the experience, I strongly suggest you understand the mission/objectives of the teams you are looking at. For example, some teams claim they focus on player development, and then the training ends up being some dad who never played but did carry the cones to and from the high school practices whose doing the teaching.

Other clubs are just a money grab (they'll take any player who signs up for a tryout), usually indicated by programs with more than one team at an age group. Be aware of daddy ball (dad coach) which is pretty wide spread in MD. In some cases its not necessarily a bad thing, and in others it is a complete disaster. Some teams will stretch the truth when announcing how one of their teams did on social media (e.g., "Our 2025 team won the AA division championship at "Y" tournament", but there was only one division with teams that played in the "B" division in the GHCLC spring league). Maryland is in the midst of going through some changes in the club scene with national brands coming into the state the past few years (e.g., 91, Express, 3d, True, etc).

If you can get historical data on the GHCLC division standings, it will give you a pretty good idea of year over year changes in competition level (division moves) and records, which could be an indicator of things good or bad.

With all that being said, I have heard positive things about Team 91, FCA, Looney's and Breakers. Good luck in your search!
That's why I came on here because honestly need to avoid daddy ball, lies, etc. This is my youngest and I've done the club circuit scene for 15 years now so I've seen it all and want a nice team for a solid 2025- not a phenomenal one. Stick skills will be behind an East Coast kid for sure so would prefer for him not to detest lacrosse by eighth grade. I don't think he would make Team 91 from what I have heard so thank you for all the advice and honesty. Really appreciated.
The first question I would have for you is what area do you live? No need to drive a long way to practices these days.
Heard good things about Breakers?? Lol. Like what?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard good things about Breakers?? Lol. Like what?


They charge huge sums and play in their own tournaments. Thats good for Director
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?

in new york where the age cut off is is dec, yes. In md where the cuttoff is sept. no. he would be a single.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.


Here are teams that are registered for East Qualifier as of this past weekend:

- Team 91 MD
- Cannons Gold
- True Maryland
- BBL Elite
- Tribal SJ
- Tri-state
- Mad Dog East
- TEAM Lacrosse
- 3d Garden State
- Blue Star
B level teams
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.


Here are teams that are registered for East Qualifier as of this past weekend:

- Team 91 MD
- Cannons Gold
- True Maryland
- BBL Elite
- Tribal SJ
- Tri-state
- Mad Dog East
- TEAM Lacrosse
- 3d Garden State
- Blue Star


Age based so No Holdbacks, which translate into meaning B level teams. WSYL has lost its shine with all the grade based holdback tournaments.
Agreed on the holdback statement. If you take away that noise, your simply have the best teams out there who are on age, which is what you want. It doesn't mean that these teams are bad, they are just on age. My son's team has played Cannon's Gold and they are a pretty good team for their age, no glaring weaknesses. I think we will see a couple of these teams in some tournaments over the next few weeks. I'm pleasantly surprised who I haven't seen on this list, which tells me that they have holdbacks, which honestly puts a more positive perspective on my son's team's performance over the last year, as its' been a tough one from a win/loss perspective but an eye-opener from the need to put more off-season fitness training into place.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers and Zingos announced that they would be fielding WSYL teams.


Here are teams that are registered for East Qualifier as of this past weekend:

- Team 91 MD
- Cannons Gold
- True Maryland
- BBL Elite
- Tribal SJ
- Tri-state
- Mad Dog East
- TEAM Lacrosse
- 3d Garden State
- Blue Star



When is this?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed on the holdback statement. If you take away that noise, your simply have the best teams out there who are on age, which is what you want. It doesn't mean that these teams are bad, they are just on age. My son's team has played Cannon's Gold and they are a pretty good team for their age, no glaring weaknesses. I think we will see a couple of these teams in some tournaments over the next few weeks. I'm pleasantly surprised who I haven't seen on this list, which tells me that they have holdbacks, which honestly puts a more positive perspective on my son's team's performance over the last year, as its' been a tough one from a win/loss perspective but an eye-opener from the need to put more off-season fitness training into place.


The more holdbacks you have the more wins you have at 9th grade and below. Frankly even at High School club teams by grade , being a holdback is an advantage, just not as big as before puberty hit.
There is always rec.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is always rec.


That is where majority of holdbacks would be playing on age !
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?

in new york where the age cut off is is dec, yes. In md where the cuttoff is sept. no. he would be a single.


Why doesn't everyone just follow USL Rules? - https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/rules/age-group-chart-2019-2020.pdf
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious, a kid playing on a 2025 team turning 14 in September. Is that a double holdback or is my math incorrect?

in new york where the age cut off is is dec, yes. In md where the cuttoff is sept. no. he would be a single.


Why doesn't everyone just follow USL Rules? - https://www.uslacrosse.org/sites/default/files/public/documents/rules/age-group-chart-2019-2020.pdf


How would that give a select group of children an advantage that do prefirst or heldback/reclass ??

It just doesnt work for them. Nor does it give clubs that have lots of holdback any advantage.

Youth is about giving select players an advantage. Get with the times.
Funny how times have changed. My birthday is October, I went away to college as a 17 year old. Now kids are starting school at 20. Holdback, double holdback, reclassify, repeat 9th grade, repeat 6th grade. It’s insane. At the end of all this nonsense, if your son is the greatest player on the planet, he will work at a lacrosse camp or maybe make 14 grand in the MLL. No thanks. My kid will graduate age appropriate and then go to college, then get a job.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how times have changed. My birthday is October, I went away to college as a 17 year old. Now kids are starting school at 20. Holdback, double holdback, reclassify, repeat 9th grade, repeat 6th grade. It’s insane. At the end of all this nonsense, if your son is the greatest player on the planet, he will work at a lacrosse camp or maybe make 14 grand in the MLL. No thanks. My kid will graduate age appropriate and then go to college, then get a job.


Times have changed for sure. Years ago anyone playing down in age like holdbacks/prefirst/reclass would have been embarrassed to show their face on the field. It was either play on age or play up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is always rec.


There is always holding him back another year if the first one doesn't work.
Tourney Machine shows that BLC beat the Hawks by 1, and then lost by 6 to the Cannons this weekend. Is that right?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tourney Machine shows that BLC beat the Hawks by 1, and then lost by 6 to the Cannons this weekend. Is that right?


Its Fall..Dont get excited.
Score was incorrectly posted. Other way around.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Score was incorrectly posted. Other way around.



That makes more sense.
Do any Northern Virginia kids play in MD teams?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do any Northern Virginia kids play in MD teams?


Yes, there are some that travel to MD teams.
i heard koopers isnt fielding a team at this age group. anyone know why?
Any changes to the HOCO divisions from last year?
Divisions wont be out for weeks, but I would think they are the same.
Any thoughts on Crabs moving to Elite since they won AAA last year? If so, who would be bumped down to AAA?
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys




I saw NL play in the fall, they are much better than last year, no way they go down, they may actually challenge for #1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys




I saw NL play in the fall, they are much better than last year, no way they go down, they may actually challenge for #1


Well they went 0-7 last year in Elite with a goal differential of -40. Fall means nothing. They should go down if anyone does.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More than likely Crabs will go up, they earned it. Looneys, Cannons or Next Level should go down. Probably Cannons. Should be interesting at the elite level this year. Top 2 are tough and then the middle 2-3 can upset every once in a while. Will be tough for the Crabs, but they can see where they stand.


Cannons beat NL and Looneys




I saw NL play in the fall, they are much better than last year, no way they go down, they may actually challenge for #1



0-7 to top of the standings? Sounds a tad ambitious.
WSYL teams for the East Qualifier...

https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse.leagueapps.com/tournaments/1220674/standings
Team 91 will dominate this.
FCA picked up some new players, a much better team than last year. Beat up on Crabs yesterday.
Considering that everyone seems to be beating up on Crabs since the fall that's not really saying much.
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Considering that everyone seems to be beating up on Crabs since the fall that's not really saying much.

FCA added kids that look like they could play on some '23 teams. Is that better?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Considering that everyone seems to be beating up on Crabs since the fall that's not really saying much.

FCA added kids that look like they could play on some '23 teams. Is that better?


FCA didn't add anyone to their roster last year. The exact same team that beat the Crabs last year 19-9. It's called puberty.
"FCA added kids that should be playing on some '23 teams." There I fixed it for you.
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"FCA added kids that should be playing on some '23 teams." There I fixed it for you.


FCA didn't add any players. No hold back on the team. Thanks.
You are delirious... my son is friends with 3 boys on the team who are all holdbacks.... so please try again!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are delirious... my son is friends with 3 boys on the team who are all holdbacks.... so please try again!


My son is friends with everyone on the team and none of them are holdbacks.
Why is FCA not in the WSYL regional?
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.

Wow. Spelling and grammar aren't your thing, huh? At any rate, you speak like the dad of a kid who plays on a team who can only be successful with a number of holdbacks. BTW, every tournament is a money grab. WSYL just grabs money from on-age players and families.
WSYL qualifier probably going to get cancelled anyway due to coronavirus so likely a moot point.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.

Wow. Spelling and grammar aren't your thing, huh? At any rate, you speak like the dad of a kid who plays on a team who can only be successful with a number of holdbacks. BTW, every tournament is a money grab. WSYL just grabs money from on-age players and families.


Except with WSYL you have to travel to Denver. There is plenty of great competition locally.

Oh and FCA was the US Lacrosse U15 National Chamipions 5x and on ESPN long before the WSYL ever existed.
WSYL may not even happen this year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL may not even happen this year.
it will be cxled
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not an FCA paren, but they are probably not in it, because it's a joke and a money grab.

Wow. Spelling and grammar aren't your thing, huh? At any rate, you speak like the dad of a kid who plays on a team who can only be successful with a number of holdbacks. BTW, every tournament is a money grab. WSYL just grabs money from on-age players and families.


Except with WSYL you have to travel to Denver. There is plenty of great competition locally.

Oh and FCA was the US Lacrosse U15 National Chamipions 5x and on ESPN long before the WSYL ever existed.


Was that FCA MD or FCA National? Asking for a friend.
With three of the regions “suspended” due to coronavirus and, in my opinion, the whole event likely to get cancelled, do you think the WSYL would shift to 8th grade age or simply skip the year?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
With three of the regions “suspended” due to coronavirus and, in my opinion, the whole event likely to get cancelled, do you think the WSYL would shift to 8th grade age or simply skip the year?

I think there is no way teams would want to go do this the summer prior to 9th grade. They will skip a year if they even continue this event. Based on the teams who already qualified, the event is continuing to decline. Outside the LI area, most clubs do not do this event. Next summer, the 2025 class will be included in showcase style events like Under Armor and the IL showcase events.
Heard today that practices will be held online with Hogan tournaments pushed back to July and August.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard today that practices will be held online with Hogan tournaments pushed back to July and August.


Online Practices, Now that will be interesting. If it works could be the way to go for awhile.

Not sure what is online practice? Coach on Zoom telling players and watching as they shoot? Footwork? take a IQ test for Lacrosse ? New world for hopefully a short while
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?
About 1/3 or more is normal but these aren't normal times. Without football, hockey or other conflicting sports being up in the air, more kids are coming out for lacrosse. I hope these displaced kids find another team. Attrition in HS teams is less, filling specific, missing roles or kids dropping travel all together.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?

I would bet that there were a bunch of holdbacks in there too.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?

It depends. Depends on coaches, on what families want out of the program, on the amount of loyalty a program has to its returning players and whether they're vested in really developing the players, and other stuff. One 2025 team completely disintegrated last year, while another changed out less than 5% of its roster. There is no one-size-fits-all answer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is “normal” attrition for a 2025 team. My son’s team had tryouts and half the team was cut and replaced. Is there also that kind of attrition in high school club teams?

I would bet that there were a bunch of holdbacks in there too.

Tru dat
I can imagine there are a larger than usual number of parents holding their children back to repeat 8th grade this year due to COVID.

Do you think there are enough '25's still looking for a place to play to fill another team?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can imagine there are a larger than usual number of parents holding their children back to repeat 8th grade this year due to COVID.

Do you think there are enough '25's still looking for a place to play to fill another team?
Yes, at crabs. Had that team now plays 26
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can imagine there are a larger than usual number of parents holding their children back to repeat 8th grade this year due to COVID.

Do you think there are enough '25's still looking for a place to play to fill another team?
Yes, at crabs. Half that team now plays 26
How many Crabs 25s are repeating 7th grade?
This should be a really interesting division to watch. I know of several players from 2024 Elite teams last year that decided to re-class in August due to COVID-19 and school issues. I am well aware of the holdback debates, and not trying to start a new one. The kids I am referring to were already enrolled in 9th grade and made the decision in late August - so hard to pin that on parents trying to get the holdback advantage - those kids were already enrolled in 8th grade by then.

So it will be hard to judge this age group until we see who is actually on the field. i expect a lot more roster changes than we normally get at the 8th/9th grade groups.
Who would care to rank the 2025 teams at this point? Haven't seen much action for this graduating class. Cannon's Gold was really good a few years ago, but they seemed to have lost strength, or at least have gone down in the U.S. club rankings. Not sure about the Hawks or Madlax, don't know to what extent they have older players playing at this graduation level.
WSYL ranks: Express, 91 MD, BLC, Madlax, HHH, Sweetlax, PT, 3D, 2Way, FCA. Prove this wrong.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL ranks: Express, 91 MD, BLC, Madlax, HHH, Sweetlax, PT, 3D, 2Way, FCA. Prove this wrong.


Don’t have to. This coming weekend will be a better barometer.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL ranks: Express, 91 MD, BLC, Madlax, HHH, Sweetlax, PT, 3D, 2Way, FCA. Prove this wrong.


Don’t have to. This coming weekend will be a better barometer.

Which tournament?
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.

People are going crazy that Crabs reclassed 9 kids from their 2025 roster and made them repeat 7th grade. Was there 2025 team good enough they did not need them or bad enough they figured they would cut the kids and try to salvage a 2026 squad without always being embarrassed there. I always heard that Crabs stays good at the expense of kids and parents pride and dignity, but I was wondering about this specific example.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.

People are going crazy that Crabs reclassed 9 kids from their 2025 roster and made them repeat 7th grade. Was there 2025 team good enough they did not need them or bad enough they figured they would cut the kids and try to salvage a 2026 squad without always being embarrassed there. I always heard that Crabs stays good at the expense of kids and parents pride and dignity, but I was wondering about this specific example.
Their 25 and 26 teams were not good. Now their 26 team is better. Pride and dignity mean noting to Crabs parents. It’s the Crabs way. My question is, were the players part of the conversation with their parents when it was decided to hold them back in 7th grade? Did they get a say?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was asking if people would rank just the Maryland 2025 teams at this point, as opposed to whole country.

People are going crazy that Crabs reclassed 9 kids from their 2025 roster and made them repeat 7th grade. Was there 2025 team good enough they did not need them or bad enough they figured they would cut the kids and try to salvage a 2026 squad without always being embarrassed there. I always heard that Crabs stays good at the expense of kids and parents pride and dignity, but I was wondering about this specific example.

How do you know the number is 9?
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

How many were already holdbacks?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

LOL, like I am going to trust math from someone in the Crabs organization. They can't even get their kids through 7th grade in 1 year
What MD 2025 teams are going to the WSYL now that the WSYL is now in Maryland not Denver? Should we assume that if a MD 2025 team is not there it is due to the fact their 2025 is all holdbacks?
I would think Next Level should be mentioned in the top 5 for MD. They pretty much dominated Fall Hoco and have added a ton of 2024 players. They are definitely not the same team we saw during the summer.
BLC doesn’t even have a 2025 team
Think they become DC Express at this point.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7

Easy now, don't go get mathematical on them!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

LOL, like I am going to trust math from someone in the Crabs organization. They can't even get their kids through 7th grade in 1 year

Post of the year!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.

Its really easy when the 2026 Rosters were posted with numbers up until this summer. We also played Crabs several times this year or seen them play. And even easier is you watch summer tournament games and you see the 2025 kids play at the same tournament as the 2026's. Nope didnt change jersey number and the 2026/2025 rosters are now blank on the website
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.
And let me guess, they didn’t really reclass either right? They were playing up this whole time and are now where they are supposed to be.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re going to post stuff about another team you should know the facts! There are 3 Crabs 25’s who re-classed, not 9.

So somewhere between 3-9

#13, #50, #21, #42 and the 3 defensemen

That's 7
It might help if they had changed their jersey numbers after reclassing. I mean, you are giving them an extra year of fees, you would think they could afford to give you new numbers.

Where do you get your information from? Not that it matters but there are 3 former 2025 players who reclassed to 2026. All were role players on the 25 team.
And let me guess, they didn’t really reclass either right? They were playing up this whole time and are now where they are supposed to be.

Cool then, making 3 kids repeat a year of school for the sake of lacrosse makes it totally sane and not desperate.
one of those players is better than average. he should dominate on 26 team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
one of those players is better than average. he should dominate on 26 team.

Havent seen that yet.
Hammers, Team Maryland, and Top Caliber joining forces to make a run at the WSYL for 2025 and 2026... https://www.theclca.com/wsyl?fbclid=IwAR0R7DEnIbk6i4cDwbSZwlVrUG6Luxgg24Z4D880SZ-FMnTVdvBEv89kYGY
Winning the WSYL is a great accomplishment for a team to do. Combining a few teams to make an all star team, to try and win isn’t the same accomplishment.
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Winning the WSYL is a great accomplishment for a team to do. Combining a few teams to make an all star team, to try and win isn’t the same accomplishment.

agreed. A bunch of teams are doing that, or having WSYL specific tryouts. Adding a few players is expected but I think it'll be out of hand this year with the WSYL being on the East coast and travel not being a deterrent for most.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Little League World Series teams are all/mostly all star teams and that doesn't seem to have defeated the purpose of that event.

I do agree with the prior poster saying that a 100 mile radius is pretty ridiculous. Should be something tighter, maybe like 15 - 25 miles.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Exactly. Draw a 100 mile radius in the MD area and you cover every top program in the state, all of Delaware, South NJ, Philly and Northern VA. Do it in NY and you cover all of LI, NY south of Poughkeepsie, most of connecticut, most of NJ, parts of Mass, parts of Rhode Island and parts of Eastern PA. I am pretty sure an all star team from each of those areas would make for a great game, but that shouldn't be what this is about.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.

Absolutely players were added from the year ahead born after 9/1 and before 12/1. And isn't this the same Wolfpup team who up and quit in a tournament because they were losing games on the first day. Sorry, you lost all credibility a long time ago but you keep holding onto those 2019 wins against Breakers.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Exactly. Draw a 100 mile radius in the MD area and you cover every top program in the state, all of Delaware, South NJ, Philly and Northern VA. Do it in NY and you cover all of LI, NY south of Poughkeepsie, most of connecticut, most of NJ, parts of Mass, parts of Rhode Island and parts of Eastern PA. I am pretty sure an all star team from each of those areas would make for a great game, but that shouldn't be what this is about.

If WSYL lowered their fees maybe more teams would participate which would limit the number of free agent kids looking for a team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.

Absolutely players were added from the year ahead born after 9/1 and before 12/1. And isn't this the same Wolfpup team who up and quit in a tournament because they were losing games on the first day. Sorry, you lost all credibility a long time ago but you keep holding onto those 2019 wins against Breakers.

Bingo !!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too late, the NY teams started combining teams years ago and have never lost. The MD teams are now following the example. The WSYL needs tighter restrictions if they didn't want this to happen. 100 mile roster address and 1 tournament played as a team doesn't really tighten it up.

100% incorrect.

Team 91 Wolfpack parent here. No players were added to the 2024 Wolfpack team that went undefeated in Denver in 2019. No holdbacks on that team either, so all players went. And for the record, there are still no holdbacks on the team.

The prior year, the 2023 Team 91 Bandits won it, also no players were added to that team either.

Those are just two teams that I am very familiar with.

Can’t speak for the rest of the NY teams that won it, but I highly doubt that any players were added to the 2020 Team 91 Crush team, when they won it.

So you have no clue what you are talking about.

Absolutely players were added from the year ahead born after 9/1 and before 12/1. And isn't this the same Wolfpup team who up and quit in a tournament because they were losing games on the first day. Sorry, you lost all credibility a long time ago but you keep holding onto those 2019 wins against Breakers.

Bingo !!

Sorry, low class, holdback parent. LI teams don’t need to steal players from other teams or horde holdbacks to win games against lowly cheater teams. I know that sounds hard to believe, for morally challenged individuals such as yourself, but that’s how we do it. No outsiders and no holdbacks that are a year or even two years older. Ever!

But you keep spreading garbage lies on this site. Low self esteem losers in life, routinely attempt to pull down the ultra successful, in order to feel better about their unfulfilled, unsuccessful lives. Yeah, I’ve heard it all before. But you don’t usually see that when the ultra successful are children. Congrats. You are particularly unconscionable individual.

How about we talk real garbage. How many holdbacks does your kids team have? I know the number is north of 80% of the MD HOCO kids that actually step foot on the field are between a year and two years older than the LI kids your trashy team is playing. How’s that feel?? Every LI team your kid is playing against is pre-pubescent while your kid is a man-child. Then why do your kids (men) still lose???? Lmao! LI spots you two years, and you still can’t win! How will you cheat next?? How about you steal kids from other teams?? Wait! You already do that!! Ok. How about you bring in college kids?? Lol. Seriously, the mid Atlantic is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the Lacrosse community, but if you’ve ever been out of MD, you already know that. MD/VA/DC - the bottom dweller cheater trash of all youth sports!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To actual combine teams to create a super duper team to win, defeats the purpose of the event. Think about it. Well our team couldn’t win, but the 4 teams combined beat the actual legit team. If this happens, this has become a joke. So the WSYL champs are the Maryland All Star team.

Little League World Series teams are all/mostly all star teams and that doesn't seem to have defeated the purpose of that event.

I do agree with the prior poster saying that a 100 mile radius is pretty ridiculous. Should be something tighter, maybe like 15 - 25 miles.

The Little League baseball teams are All star teams, correct, but they are all star teams that pull from local rec teams. Sure there are going to be kids that come from a little distance to play in that rec league that year so they can qualify for that all star team. There is no open tryout though like the post mentioned for baseball.

100 miles is absurd. If you can locate a dominant FO or goalie within that radius and ship them in for the WSYL it is a huge unfair advantage in my eyes. Anyone want to travel from Stanford CT to LI for practice? Uh, no. It would take 3 hours to get there in the afternoon. There's a reason there is Express North, and Express NJ now. it is a totally separate market.
The WSYL, past winners were teams. A team that started in September and finished in July. In this Lax world that’s the definition of a TEAM. Do you follow me so far? This isn’t brain surgery. Now if there was a state vs state all star game that would be a different topic. Not a bad idea, but that’s not this topic. Can you imagine the WSYL final being a state all star team vs an actual team. Think about that. Let’s take 4 great kids from 7 different teams to create the ultimate team to compete. We can meet up the night before so all the kids can introduce themselves to each other. If this happens, this event will become a farce.
That's a lie WP Parent. You scalped the F/o kid from Express, Grab the Goalie and MId from Taz, and added 2 other kids. So please stop with that. Now your team is losing to all those teams .
"holdback" is the excuse of choice by low class LI sad dad's whose kids teams can't compete with MD teams. Sorry your kid will not make his high school team. Maybe he'll have a snowball's chance if he HIT'S THE WALL!
It could also be the excuse of the holdback parent, knowing deep down his kid can’t be a great player playing with kids his own age.
This is getting about as funny as CNN
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It could also be the excuse of the holdback parent, knowing deep down his kid can’t be a great player playing with kids his own age.

Please stop fellow LI dads. There are holdbacks here.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The WSYL, past winners were teams. A team that started in September and finished in July. In this Lax world that’s the definition of a TEAM. Do you follow me so far? This isn’t brain surgery. Now if there was a state vs state all star game that would be a different topic. Not a bad idea, but that’s not this topic. Can you imagine the WSYL final being a state all star team vs an actual team. Think about that. Let’s take 4 great kids from 7 different teams to create the ultimate team to compete. We can meet up the night before so all the kids can introduce themselves to each other. If this happens, this event will become a farce.

The WSYL rules contradict themselves.

- All players must compete with their team or program on a REGULAR BASIS.

- Minimum requirements.....2 tournaments. Look at that, two one day tournaments at DE turf on the same weekend in March for the kids to introduce themselves to one another. The weekend before the qualifier
WSYL should change its system, and limit the radius to 15-25 miles. The idea of super teams for youth lacrosse is ridiculous, but the WSYL has turned a blind eye - and I really can't understand why and why limiting the radius would hurt the event. Having said that, I don't know that it would change the greater New York City area's dominance, as the huge population pool to draw from will always work in their favor because there will be more great kids to choose from compared to rural areas. WYSL should create population districts, analogous to Little League, but make them a bit bigger than Little League since lacrosse isn't as popular throughout the country. Rural areas would have a bigger population base to draw from, which would even things out nationwide. The system right now is broken and incentivizes terrible behavior which involves kids. WSYL needs to be a leader and step up.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL should change its system, and limit the radius to 15-25 miles. The idea of super teams for youth lacrosse is ridiculous, but the WSYL has turned a blind eye - and I really can't understand why and why limiting the radius would hurt the event. Having said that, I don't know that it would change the greater New York City area's dominance, as the huge population pool to draw from will always work in their favor because there will be more great kids to choose from compared to rural areas. WYSL should create population districts, analogous to Little League, but make them a bit bigger than Little League since lacrosse isn't as popular throughout the country. Rural areas would have a bigger population base to draw from, which would even things out nationwide. The system right now is broken and incentivizes terrible behavior which involves kids. WSYL needs to be a leader and step up.

I agree, but 15-25 is too small for some areas for lacrosse. I dont know what the answer is, but it probably isnt mileage, 50 from the center of LI still covers almost all of LI, and much of Conn, Northern NJ, and Westchester. I grew up on LI, that is a massive population pool to choose 25 players from. I live in the Charlottesville area now, some kids at the higher level need to travel that far to get to a team. There is no way they could compete with the ALL - LI plus team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
WSYL should change its system, and limit the radius to 15-25 miles. The idea of super teams for youth lacrosse is ridiculous, but the WSYL has turned a blind eye - and I really can't understand why and why limiting the radius would hurt the event. Having said that, I don't know that it would change the greater New York City area's dominance, as the huge population pool to draw from will always work in their favor because there will be more great kids to choose from compared to rural areas. WYSL should create population districts, analogous to Little League, but make them a bit bigger than Little League since lacrosse isn't as popular throughout the country. Rural areas would have a bigger population base to draw from, which would even things out nationwide. The system right now is broken and incentivizes terrible behavior which involves kids. WSYL needs to be a leader and step up.

I agree, but 15-25 is too small for some areas for lacrosse. I dont know what the answer is, but it probably isnt mileage, 50 from the center of LI still covers almost all of LI, and much of Conn, Northern NJ, and Westchester. I grew up on LI, that is a massive population pool to choose 25 players from. I live in the Charlottesville area now, some kids at the higher level need to travel that far to get to a team. There is no way they could compete with the ALL - LI plus team.

They can change the radius for different areas. They allow 200 miles for Canadian teams. That covers Toronto, Ottawa and Quebec. Probably easy to come up with 25 good players from those 10mil + people.
Gerrymandering on BOTC. So typical.
Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?
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Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?

Short answer is no. VLC 2025 is not the same category as the better teams in the area. In the Dc area, Madlax, Next Level, and DC Express are all significantly better. And that’s before getting to the MD teams like Hawks, Crabs, Team 91, etc. that are all much better. VLC 2026 is pretty decent and can compete at least, but VLC 2025 will get torched by any team in the HoCo elite division.
The whole WSYL thing seems like a farce and a money grab to me. All this energy should be put into the regular travel teams.

PS - Thanks for all the "sorry your son didn't make the team better luck next year" encouragement I expect to hear shortly!
Re: WSYL: I don't understand why clubs feel the need to band together. Go with kids who have been with you through thick and thin. I think the WSYL itself is cool, but it is the conniving by the clubs which is a waste of time.
Will be interesting to see from Maryland shows up - with their own clubs (speaks to who has holdbacks), and who forms mega-teams (speaks to who just wants to win as opposed to developing their players). Does anyone know who is actually going to send a team to the WSYL regional?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?

Short answer is no. VLC 2025 is not the same category as the better teams in the area. In the Dc area, Madlax, Next Level, and DC Express are all significantly better. And that’s before getting to the MD teams like Hawks, Crabs, Team 91, etc. that are all much better. VLC 2026 is pretty decent and can compete at least, but VLC 2025 will get torched by any team in the HoCo elite division.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Tell me about 2025 VLC? Are they in the same category as some of the elite Maryland teams?

Cavaliers 2025 beat VLC 2025 every time they played them, if that says anything. All the boys from Cavaliers have moved on to stronger clubs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Re: WSYL: I don't understand why clubs feel the need to band together. Go with kids who have been with you through thick and thin. I think the WSYL itself is cool, but it is the conniving by the clubs which is a waste of time.
Will be interesting to see from Maryland shows up - with their own clubs (speaks to who has holdbacks), and who forms mega-teams (speaks to who just wants to win as opposed to developing their players). Does anyone know who is actually going to send a team to the WSYL regional?

Why does the conversation always turn to "hold backs"? No, just because a team doesn't go to a money grab tournament doesn't necessarily mean they have hold backs. But it may mean that your son needs to hit the wall so they can play on a team that does.
Does the WSYL equate to anything but a fun weekend? Is it considered a Showcase?
It's amazing- my sons team went out there a few years ago and it was the best tournament we've ever been too. Swag as you advance, skills contests, Connor Kelly was there, championship was televised, it's a youth event on steroids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Re: WSYL: I don't understand why clubs feel the need to band together. Go with kids who have been with you through thick and thin. I think the WSYL itself is cool, but it is the conniving by the clubs which is a waste of time.
Will be interesting to see from Maryland shows up - with their own clubs (speaks to who has holdbacks), and who forms mega-teams (speaks to who just wants to win as opposed to developing their players). Does anyone know who is actually going to send a team to the WSYL regional?

At the 2026 level, isnt Express is doing what you claim MD teams do?
Does anyone have a list of the WSYL U14 regional qualifier teams?
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black
Interesting, what about the Hawks? Did Team Maryland combine with Top Caliber or did Top Caliber's own team go it alone? No one from the Philly area? Jersey Express was formerly Tribal SJ, they are a good team.
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2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black


I think more than 4 will advance. More like 6 or 7 based on previous years. Maybe add in Jersey Express, Cannons and True Annapolis as potential contenders.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black


I think more than 4 will advance. More like 6 or 7 based on previous years. Maybe add in Jersey Express, Cannons and True Annapolis as potential contenders.

Only 4 have advanced from the East since 2017. WSYL has been pulling extra teams from North Region because they have by far the most teams in the qualifiers. Historically;
- East 4
- West 5
- Central 2
- South 2
- International 4
- North 7

I suspect that Jersey Express, Cannons, and True Annapolis will be in the mix, but each of the 4 teams I think will advance are combined/all-star teams.
Were any of the previous International teams truly international or just all star teams of international descent? I wonder because if they were truly International then they might not yet be allowed in the country which could open up a couple more spots for this region.
A guess at the HoCo Divisional alignment using Fall 2020 Results, USCL team rankings, wins vs. USCL Top 100 teams, 2019 Division alignment, and the WAG principle. Teams are not in any particular order within a division.

[b]2021 Spring Season[/b]
Team & USCL Rank [Fall Record] and H2H Wins Other Top USCL 100 Wins Spring Results
2025 Elite
1 #1 Team 91 MD [7-0] #9 FCA, Madlax Capital, #15 DC Express Black #7 Sweetlax FL, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 NXT Black, #39 West Coast Starz Gold,
2 #5 Annapolis Hawks [4-0-1] #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 ADVNC, #27 Denver Elite Silver, #39 West Coast Starz Gold
3 #4 Madlax Capital [11-2] MD Roughriders, #14 Next Level Blue, #37 Crabs, VLC
4 #15 DC Express Black [11-3] #4 Team 91 LI, #11 Crabs #24 Texas Mustangs, #34 True Atlantic, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness
5 #9 FCA [8-1-1] #37 Crabs #20 Team Ten, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #26 True Midwest, #39 West Coast Starz Gold, #40 Leading Edge, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #92 Top Caliber
6 #14 Next Level Blue [9-3] Kooper's, DC Express Black, Looney's, True Annapolis Green #24 Texas Mustangs, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers
7 Cannons Select Gold [4-0] True Annapolis White
8 #12 True Annapolis Green [8-1] #37 Crabs, VLC #55 Omnia, #18 West Coast Starz Navy, #91 True PA Black, #52 True Pittsburgh,


2025 AAA
1 #37 Crabs [2-4] Looney's #92 Top Caliber L vs Zingos 3/7 Play Day
2 #58 Koopers [2-2] Hawks Black #82 True Utah
3 #28 Zingos Black [7-1-1] #60 PLC Gold #30 Orange Crush, #31 Brotherly Love, #72 Philly Freedom Red, #85 Tri-State, #88 Rising Sons Navy W vs Crabs 3/7 Play Day
4 Greene Turtle
5 #60 PLC Gold [2-5] Hawks Black #44 Mad Dog
6 #50 VLC [3-6] Looney's
7 Sidewinders [3-0] Hawks Black
8 #92 Top Caliber [6-3] #28 Zingos Black


2025 AA
1 Breakers Blue
2 HLC
3 AYLC Bay Raiders [3-0] True Baltimore
4 Rock A
5 Looney's [0-6-1]
6 FLC
7 Next Level Red #89 Southshore
8 #84 Team Maryland LC [4-2] #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #89 Southshore


2025 A
1 Cannons Select Blue
2 Madlax DMV
3 Hard Lax Elite [0-3]
4 Roughriders
5 Breakers Orange
6 Mesa MD [2-1] #78 PLC Black
7 HoCo Pink
8 Annapolis Hawks Black [2-2] W vs True Baltimore at Spring Classic
9 True Baltimore [1-2] [0-4] at Atlantic Spring Classic


2025 B
1 True Annapolis White [0-3] W vs True Balt @ Atlantic Spring Classic
2 Rock B
3 Blue Claws
4 HoCo Black
5 #78 PLC Black [1-6] # 99 Platform Academy Black
6 Olney Bears
7 Baltimore Elite Lax
8 Ville Lacrosse
9 Zingos Blue [size:14pt][/size]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A guess at the HoCo Divisional alignment using Fall 2020 Results, USCL team rankings, wins vs. USCL Top 100 teams, 2019 Division alignment, and the WAG principle. Teams are not in any particular order within a division.

[b]2021 Spring Season[/b]
Team & USCL Rank [Fall Record] and H2H Wins Other Top USCL 100 Wins Spring Results
2025 Elite
1 #1 Team 91 MD [7-0] #9 FCA, Madlax Capital, #15 DC Express Black #7 Sweetlax FL, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 NXT Black, #39 West Coast Starz Gold,
2 #5 Annapolis Hawks [4-0-1] #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 ADVNC, #27 Denver Elite Silver, #39 West Coast Starz Gold
3 #4 Madlax Capital [11-2] MD Roughriders, #14 Next Level Blue, #37 Crabs, VLC
4 #15 DC Express Black [11-3] #4 Team 91 LI, #11 Crabs #24 Texas Mustangs, #34 True Atlantic, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness
5 #9 FCA [8-1-1] #37 Crabs #20 Team Ten, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #26 True Midwest, #39 West Coast Starz Gold, #40 Leading Edge, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #92 Top Caliber
6 #14 Next Level Blue [9-3] Kooper's, DC Express Black, Looney's, True Annapolis Green #24 Texas Mustangs, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers
7 Cannons Select Gold [4-0] True Annapolis White
8 #12 True Annapolis Green [8-1] #37 Crabs, VLC #55 Omnia, #18 West Coast Starz Navy, #91 True PA Black, #52 True Pittsburgh,


2025 AAA
1 #37 Crabs [2-4] Looney's #92 Top Caliber L vs Zingos 3/7 Play Day
2 #58 Koopers [2-2] Hawks Black #82 True Utah
3 #28 Zingos Black [7-1-1] #60 PLC Gold #30 Orange Crush, #31 Brotherly Love, #72 Philly Freedom Red, #85 Tri-State, #88 Rising Sons Navy W vs Crabs 3/7 Play Day
4 Greene Turtle
5 #60 PLC Gold [2-5] Hawks Black #44 Mad Dog
6 #50 VLC [3-6] Looney's
7 Sidewinders [3-0] Hawks Black
8 #92 Top Caliber [6-3] #28 Zingos Black


2025 AA
1 Breakers Blue
2 HLC
3 AYLC Bay Raiders [3-0] True Baltimore
4 Rock A
5 Looney's [0-6-1]
6 FLC
7 Next Level Red #89 Southshore
8 #84 Team Maryland LC [4-2] #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #89 Southshore


2025 A
1 Cannons Select Blue
2 Madlax DMV
3 Hard Lax Elite [0-3]
4 Roughriders
5 Breakers Orange
6 Mesa MD [2-1] #78 PLC Black
7 HoCo Pink
8 Annapolis Hawks Black [2-2] W vs True Baltimore at Spring Classic
9 True Baltimore [1-2] [0-4] at Atlantic Spring Classic


2025 B
1 True Annapolis White [0-3] W vs True Balt @ Atlantic Spring Classic
2 Rock B
3 Blue Claws
4 HoCo Black
5 #78 PLC Black [1-6] # 99 Platform Academy Black
6 Olney Bears
7 Baltimore Elite Lax
8 Ville Lacrosse
9 Zingos Blue [size:14pt][/size]

Do you really think HoCo will use ANY of this data?

No
Where is DC Express Orange?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where is DC Express Orange?
In the AA bracket
BS. Sandbagging. They are going to run over everyone in AA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS. Sandbagging. They are going to run over everyone in AA.

Is the Express Orange team that strong? AA is a pretty high division for a B team. That would actually be pretty impressive if a club in any grade year had their first team in Elite and their second team in AAA.
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2025 Cannons Gold

302 Lacrosse 2025

3d Garden State 2025 AA

Breakers 2025 Blue

Building Blocks LC U14

Jersey Express 2025

Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black

Madlax Monuments

Top Caliber

Tri-State 2025

True Annapolis 2025

True PA 2025

VLC Black Ops

Zingos 2025 Black

Top 4 to advance:

- Madlax Monuments
- Building Blocks LC U14
- VLC Black Ops
- Mad Dog NJ Boys 2025 Black


I think more than 4 will advance. More like 6 or 7 based on previous years. Maybe add in Jersey Express, Cannons and True Annapolis as potential contenders.

Only 4 have advanced from the East since 2017. WSYL has been pulling extra teams from North Region because they have by far the most teams in the qualifiers. Historically;
- East 4
- West 5
- Central 2
- South 2
- International 4
- North 7

I suspect that Jersey Express, Cannons, and True Annapolis will be in the mix, but each of the 4 teams I think will advance are combined/all-star teams.

I wouldnt think that there will be international teams this year so that'll open up spots.
2025 Express Orange is solid
W/E Results for HoCo Elite teams:

Next Level Blue 4-0 (Mad Dog, LI Express, Looney's, CLCA u14) + 22 GD
FCA 3-0 (LI Express, Leading Edge, DCE Black) +22 GD
91 MD 3-0 (Philly Freedom, True IL WS, Mad Dog) +29 GD
Cannons Gold 3-0 (CLCA u14, Looney's, VLC) +4 GD
DCE Black 2-1 (W vs Leading Edge & LI Express, L vs FCA) +3 GD
Madlax Capital 2-1 (W vs Hawks Green & Regulators, L vs WCS Gold), +5 Goal Differential
Hawks Green 1-2 (W vs WCS Gold, L vs Madlax Capital & Prime Time) -2 GD


I've seen that 91 is the team to beat at 2025 Elite, but based on the scores and observations at Spring Kickoff games, NL Blue and FCA are going to give them trouble. Even though they won, I heard that 91 did not look good vs Mad Dog (playing in their 6th game of the weekend) and MM was losing his mind and berating/belittling his players for the majority of the game (sidebar: how/why does anyone play for this guy?). I would not be surprised if 91 misses the playoffs in May. Not sure what is going on in Annapolis, but Hawks have beaten teams like the ones they played last weekend in the past. FCA appears to have strengthened their roster since last summer. NL Blue and DCE Black players were playing on multiple teams so likely running out of gas on Sunday. If Madlax can bring all of their out-of-area players to every game they along with DCE Black, NL Blue and FCA are likely top 4 in 2025 Elite. Should be a drama filled spring which I'm sure will be bantered about here.
You're going to declare the top 4 as DCE, NL and FCA along with Madlax based off 1 weekend of Spring playdays. Wow! That's a big stretch. The 2025 Elite division of HoCo is so competitive this it is going to be a battle every weekend. 6 teams can win this year:
Team 91MD - until someone beats them still the team to beat.
Hawks - defending HoCo champs from 2 years ago, so always tough
Madlax - with the addition of out of state players very tough
FCA - continues to improve and has a legitimate shot.
NL - with their new 2024 players coming down will be in serious contention
DCE - same as NL with addition of 2024 players

No idea why anyone else would even want to be in this division. Crabs, Looneys, True, and Cannons, should run to AAA as these top 6 are crazy good. Watch them play, they all look like HS teams. All well coached and crazy talent. The team that's puts it together for the playoffs, stays healthy (probably the biggest key), and can win close games will win this division.
They look like high school teams for a reason ...
Understand what you are implying and though probably true, these boys really know how to play the game and would be still be young for Varsity. Say what you will about the coaching, good and bad, the boys are learning the game. Very impressed with this age group!
Kids don’t have to play varsity as a freshman ! They probably shouldn’t...2025 parent and your right the class is strong on it’s own, let the 2024’s move on
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS. Sandbagging. They are going to run over everyone in AA.

Is the Express Orange team that strong? AA is a pretty high division for a B team. That would actually be pretty impressive if a club in any grade year had their first team in Elite and their second team in AAA.

That DCE team is made up of players that moved down from the DCE Elite team, the 3D-Maryland fold and some former Team Maryland. They won the fall league easily and should do the same this spring in AA.
If you saw DC Express Orange play this spring, they are not sand bagging. They are in the appropriate division.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you saw DC Express Orange play this spring, they are not sand bagging. They are in the appropriate division.

Spring hasn’t happened yet.
https://worldseriesofyouthlacrosse....quit-max-wsyl-il-13u-14u-world-rankings/

WSYL/IL 14U Preseason World Rankings:
1. Long Island Express (NY)
2. Team 91 Long Island (NY)
3. Madlax Capital (DMV)
4. Sweetlax FL (FL)
5. Eclipse (CT)
6. True IL 2025 Premier (IL)
7. Berserkers (CA)
8. NPL (WA/OR)
9. Igloo Northface (NY)
10. Prime Time 2025 (NY)
11. Sixers (CO)
12. Express North (CT)
13. Stealth (FL)
14. ADVNC Bayhawks (CA)
15. Building Blocks LC (NJ)
16. Orange Crush (NY)
17. Evolve (CAN)
18. Express North (CT)
19. 2Way (CT)
20. Jersey Express (NJ)
21. Mad Dog Black (NJ)
22. HP Mohicans (TX)
23. True MN 2025 AAA (MN)
24. CT Wolves (CT)
25. Cannons Gold (MD)

Watchlist: 302 Lacrosse (DE), Evolve BC (CAN), VLC Black Ops (VA), Zingos Black (MD), Breakers Blue (MD), Regulators (NY), Shore 2 Shore Hawks (NY), Legacy Lacrosse (NY)
Week 1:

FCA
Annapolis Hawks vs
Fri- 7:30 pm

True Annapolis Green vs
Looney's
Sat- 8:00 AM

Madlax Capital vs
Next Level Blue
Sat- 9:30 AM

Team 91 vs
Crabs
Sat- 11:00 AM

DC Express Black vs
Annapolis Hawks Green
Sat- 12:30 PM
Looks like True Annapolis 2025 had a good game against True Illinois last Saturday.. looks like it may have been a scrimmage...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBoCcqWj9BA
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Week 1:

FCA
Annapolis Hawks vs
Fri- 7:30 pm

True Annapolis Green vs
Looney's
Sat- 8:00 AM

Madlax Capital vs
Next Level Blue
Sat- 9:30 AM

Team 91 vs
Crabs
Sat- 11:00 AM

DC Express Black vs
Annapolis Hawks Green
Sat- 12:30 PM

Hawks, Looney's Madlax, 91 and Hawks all win.
FCA, True, Next Level, 91 and Hawks....ready to get it going!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You're going to declare the top 4 as DCE, NL and FCA along with Madlax based off 1 weekend of Spring playdays. Wow! That's a big stretch. The 2025 Elite division of HoCo is so competitive this it is going to be a battle every weekend. 6 teams can win this year:
Team 91MD - until someone beats them still the team to beat.
Hawks - defending HoCo champs from 2 years ago, so always tough
Madlax - with the addition of out of state players very tough
FCA - continues to improve and has a legitimate shot.
NL - with their new 2024 players coming down will be in serious contention
DCE - same as NL with addition of 2024 players

No idea why anyone else would even want to be in this division. Crabs, Looneys, True, and Cannons, should run to AAA as these top 6 are crazy good. Watch them play, they all look like HS teams. All well coached and crazy talent. The team that's puts it together for the playoffs, stays healthy (probably the biggest key), and can win close games will win this division.

Hilarious, They look like High School Teams because they are for the most part. The better players are on age Freshman in High School. Not that hard to figure out. All of them would start in 9th grade at any other area HS besides a hot bed area. And some will still contribute next year to their HS even in this area.
Did we watch the same game? I believe True Annapolis was the dark colored uniform and from what I saw they scored one man down goal to Illinois 7 or 8. I saw a lot of dropped passes and clears thrown out of bounds - little to no ride. If you think that team competes in the Elite HOCO division against the likes of FCA, NL and 91 just look at the scores when they play those teams. It will be a long year.
True Annapolis was in white
Did we watch the same game? I believe True Annapolis was the dark colored uniform and from what I saw they scored one man down goal to Illinois 7 or 8. I saw a lot of dropped passes and clears thrown out of bounds - little to no ride. If you think that team competes in the Elite HOCO division against the likes of FCA, NL and 91 just look at the scores when they play those teams. It will be a long year.

True Annapolis was in white

.. Funny thing is that True Illinois went on to play pretty well the next day in the March Kickoff tournament. They are on age for grade kids and beat Philly Freedom 7-1(who is mediocre this year) lost to Team 91MD (lots of older kids) by 10-3 and beat Mad Dog (on age, going to WSYL) 6-4. Those games are on YouTube as well. Probably a good tune up for them. Their long poles pressure heavy outside and some of their midis have good dodges, and they capitalized on miscommunication by the other team's long poles. Don't think they are going to be a national title contender, but a pretty good team nonetheless.
WSYL Schedule https://lacrosse.exposureevents.com/164110/2021-wsyl-east-qualifier/schedule?divisionid=511070
Next Level 13 MadLax 5
Team 91 16 Crabs 7
DC Express 8 Annapolis Hawks 6
True Annapolis 12 Looney’s 2

So not sure there were too many surprises in opening weekend except for maybe Hawks losing their opening game in a tight one to DC Express. Any thoughts out there on the weekend on the turf.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next Level 13 MadLax 5
Team 91 16 Crabs 7
DC Express 8 Annapolis Hawks 6
True Annapolis 12 Looney’s 2

So not sure there were too many surprises in opening weekend except for maybe Hawks losing their opening game in a tight one to DC Express. Any thoughts out there on the weekend on the turf.

Thought mad lax would have been a bit closer? The next level vs 91 game will be fun to watch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next Level 13 MadLax 5
Team 91 16 Crabs 7
DC Express 8 Annapolis Hawks 6
True Annapolis 12 Looney’s 2

So not sure there were too many surprises in opening weekend except for maybe Hawks losing their opening game in a tight one to DC Express. Any thoughts out there on the weekend on the turf.

Thought mad lax would have been a bit closer? The next level vs 91 game will be fun to watch.

Next Level played loose and looked motivated & confident, lotta hustle from the team. Madlax not so much. They looked timid and unsure of themselves. Not sure how many of their players were missing who may have been traveling to DE to play for Monuments, or will miss next week because of WSYL East Qualifier (same for NL & DCE players who are also on Black Ops Team). Crabs were very physical, getting a couple of illegal body check calls vs 91. 91 was able to handle the pressure, but looked tentative and like they were playing to not make a mistake. DCE was bigger and faster than Hawks, who just got wore down as the game went on. Credit to the Naptown boys for keeping it as close as they did. This is definitely not the Hawks of old. Not sure how Looney's made it into Elite. Gonna be a long spring for them, especially with 91 on the docket for next week. True has some good athletes and looked good against a lesser opponent.
Madlax looked meh. They have one attackman. Not a lot else. Rolled over pretty quickly.
DCE Orange does not have kids who moved down from elite bc 2025 is the first year of DCE. The team is mostly made up of the BLC Orange kids. There are about four or five from clubs other than BLC - and two of the clubs disbanded. The team is well coached and has great athletes.
Okay everyone....now that play days, scrimmages and 1 week of HOCO (for most teams) are in the books, who do you think will be the top 4-6 teams that advance from the East for the WSYL? I realize several posters have expressed disdain for the tourney, but honestly just trying to have an open dialogue and discussion as to what people think. Mostly, just excited that the boys are getting the chance to get on the field!! Good luck to everyone!
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.
Don't know much about Black Ops and Monuments, other than they are combinations of other clubs, but I think Jersey Express will be in the top 4. Not sold on True Annapolis just yet.
Rumor has it a lacrosse dad got their kid kicked out of SJC before he even started? Any truth to that?
Is 91Md not in the running for WSLY?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is 91Md not in the running for WSLY?
nope, 9/1 birthday might be an issue
I am just excited that these U14 boys get to play this weekend in the WSYL. Most of them have been waiting to play in this event for 18+ months. Good Luck to everyone and enjoy the weekend.
Get ready for the weather this weekend in Delaware. Beautiful on Saturday, thunderstorms on Sunday.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor has it a lacrosse dad got their kid kicked out of SJC before he even started? Any truth to that?

YES! It is true.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor has it a lacrosse dad got their kid kicked out of SJC before he even started? Any truth to that?

Nope. Kids can do that on their own.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.
Way off on Zingos team, coaches, and club
What club team was he on? I like to steer clear of teams with Bad parents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What club team was he on? I like to steer clear of teams with Bad parents.

Then you wouldnt play anyone
Early games have played https://lacrosse.exposureevents.com...edulestandingsbrackets?divisionid=511070
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers.
SJC?
SJC = St John’s College High School in DC
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...

You are following Zingos ?? Wow. What next ? Analysis of rec B and who is taking ship.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers.

Breakers has been advertising and pumping up this “WSYL team” for about 3 years now. So much for that. But guess it was good for their kids to get a chance to play there. Even if they got shellacked. They will be able to feel better about themselves this summer when they get to control their draw in Aloha tourneys.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.


OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...

You are following Zingos ?? Wow. What next ? Analysis of rec B and who is taking ship.

Wait... I thought Zingos was rec B.
"OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in..."

"Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers."....




I thought that Zingos would do a little better as well. They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement and that may have made the difference. I expected them to win at least one, maybe 2 games in pool play.

Breakers had a tough go of it. They did not score one goal on Saturday, and lost to Zingos on Sunday.

I thought that Cannon's might do slightly better than they did. They went 3-0 and pool play. They lost to Black Ops in the first round of championship play. If anyone should be angry about the formation of super-teams (Black Ops, Top Caliber (Top Caliber and Team Maryland), and MadLax), it should be Cannon's, as they got bumped out of the final 4 by Black Ops). Sold team. They may have been dejected after losing to Black Ops and ended up losing to Garden State in the next game , who they beat handily in pool play.

Top Caliber was disappointing, their normal team and Team Maryland's are much better than the combined WSYL team - that tells me that they have a lot of older kids on their HOCO/Summer tournament teams.

BBL was the men among boys in this tournament. Not only were they bigger, but they acted a lot older than 14 year olds - they acted like the college players that you see on ESPN/ACC Network. Also, quite a bit of trash talking by the kids during the game, the coach "Run up the score", and the parents on the sidelines.. f bombs galore.

True Annapolis is very quick and well coached. Lanky, athletic kids. They will go far as they get older and fill out and gain mass. Their only losses over the weekend were to BBL.

Glad to see the kids playing lacrosse again - great to be out there amongst the hustle and bustle of a tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in..."

"Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers."....




I thought that Zingos would do a little better as well. They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement and that may have made the difference. I expected them to win at least one, maybe 2 games in pool play.

Breakers had a tough go of it. They did not score one goal on Saturday, and lost to Zingos on Sunday.

I thought that Cannon's might do slightly better than they did. They went 3-0 and pool play. They lost to Black Ops in the first round of championship play. If anyone should be angry about the formation of super-teams (Black Ops, Top Caliber (Top Caliber and Team Maryland), and MadLax), it should be Cannon's, as they got bumped out of the final 4 by Black Ops). Sold team. They may have been dejected after losing to Black Ops and ended up losing to Garden State in the next game , who they beat handily in pool play.

Top Caliber was disappointing, their normal team and Team Maryland's are much better than the combined WSYL team - that tells me that they have a lot of older kids on their HOCO/Summer tournament teams.

BBL was the men among boys in this tournament. Not only were they bigger, but they acted a lot older than 14 year olds - they acted like the college players that you see on ESPN/ACC Network. Also, quite a bit of trash talking by the kids during the game, the coach "Run up the score", and the parents on the sidelines.. f bombs galore.

True Annapolis is very quick and well coached. Lanky, athletic kids. They will go far as they get older and fill out and gain mass. Their only losses over the weekend were to BBL.

Glad to see the kids playing lacrosse again - great to be out there amongst the hustle and bustle of a tournament.

" They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement..." So let's dispense with the nonsense that Zingos can compete with on-age teams since they by definition have holdbacks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in..."

"Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers."....




I thought that Zingos would do a little better as well. They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement and that may have made the difference. I expected them to win at least one, maybe 2 games in pool play.

Breakers had a tough go of it. They did not score one goal on Saturday, and lost to Zingos on Sunday.

I thought that Cannon's might do slightly better than they did. They went 3-0 and pool play. They lost to Black Ops in the first round of championship play. If anyone should be angry about the formation of super-teams (Black Ops, Top Caliber (Top Caliber and Team Maryland), and MadLax), it should be Cannon's, as they got bumped out of the final 4 by Black Ops). Sold team. They may have been dejected after losing to Black Ops and ended up losing to Garden State in the next game , who they beat handily in pool play.

Top Caliber was disappointing, their normal team and Team Maryland's are much better than the combined WSYL team - that tells me that they have a lot of older kids on their HOCO/Summer tournament teams.

BBL was the men among boys in this tournament. Not only were they bigger, but they acted a lot older than 14 year olds - they acted like the college players that you see on ESPN/ACC Network. Also, quite a bit of trash talking by the kids during the game, the coach "Run up the score", and the parents on the sidelines.. f bombs galore.

True Annapolis is very quick and well coached. Lanky, athletic kids. They will go far as they get older and fill out and gain mass. Their only losses over the weekend were to BBL.

Glad to see the kids playing lacrosse again - great to be out there amongst the hustle and bustle of a tournament.

" They may have a couple of kids from their squad who missed the age requirement..." So let's dispense with the nonsense that Zingos can compete with on-age teams since they by definition have holdbacks.

The OP had an astute post about the weekend and from what I saw I agree. Cannons surprised me too and thought they would come out as the dark horse, BBL observations on point, True A legit. didn't see Breakers, Zingos blew a tie in the one game I saw but solid otherwise.... Popcorn ready for the dad whose team was not there and is angry with a certain club for some reason
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A lot of unknowns out there and with "Super Teams" being formed... I could see the pool play shaking out like this:

Tri State (3-0)
True Annapolis (3-0)
BBL (2-1)
3D Garden State (2-1)

VLC Black Ops (3-0)
Jersey Express (3-0)
Madlax Monuments (2-1)

TriState not good and they will go 0-3 and another team slips in..Zingos or Cannons?

Top 4 teams are Black Ops, BBL, MadLax and True in that order.

OOoooofffff. Both Zingos teams 0-3 at WSYL. Not a good look. So much for slipping in...
Honestly a teeny surprised about their 2025 not winning one but their 2026 had a tough draw. Same for the other club that sent 2 teams for each division Breakers

Breakers has been advertising and pumping up this “WSYL team” for about 3 years now. So much for that. But guess it was good for their kids to get a chance to play there. Even if they got shellacked. They will be able to feel better about themselves this summer when they get to control their draw in Aloha tourneys.

Zingo's , Breakers can get off rec teams and move to elite teams.
2025 Mad Dog Black needs to decide what they are going to do moving forward. They cannot acquire any more talent than what they have and are heading towards the team just staying together because they are friends. NJ has some good High School teams in BBL, LE and Tri State. Should be interesting to see what the kids do on this team because there are at least 8 kids that are really good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Mad Dog Black needs to decide what they are going to do moving forward. They cannot acquire any more talent than what they have and are heading towards the team just staying together because they are friends. NJ has some good High School teams in BBL, LE and Tri State. Should be interesting to see what the kids do on this team because there are at least 8 kids that are really good.

Felt bad for Mad Dog 2025. They clearly drew the short straw from the schedulers having to face Black Ops (tight loss in overtime), Jersey Express and Monuments. They were better than their 0-3 day one reflected.
True Annapolis - 2025 - they are a quality team. They played dirty at times though. On Saturday... Ball was at midfield going toward True's defensive end. True attackman comes from behind the opposing team's long pole (in front of the opposing team's goal, far away from the play), and slashes him, breaks his wrist, out of the game, probably out of the tournament. Play stopped for 5-10 minutes while the golf cart came on the field and took the hurt kid off the field.
Humorous/entertaining tidbits from the tournament:

Cheap shot of the day: Above mentioned slash by True Annapolis attackmen coming from behind and breaking a pole's arm away from the play.

Awards for "What were you thinking?"
1) WSYL organizers: putting the game film camera scaffolding 6 feet from the sidelines. Within 5 minutes of the first game, player from one team pushes a sprinting a midi out of bounds at mid-field and the midi goes crashing directly into the metal scaffolding and tears up his legs on the old fashioned wheels. Kid's legs are beat up, but no concussions from hitting the metal scaffolding. Parents then move the scaffolding farther away from the sideline.
2) WSYL organizers (again) - not marking the center out of bounds lines with a pylon/marker. As a result, multiple kids run out of bounds, thinking that the out of bounds was another painted line 6 feet away. Parents spoke up and a marker was put on the midfield line.
3) FCA Upstate U13 coaches - Warming up for their next game in the 10 feet of space between the shooting nets and the end lines, while a game was going on the field. Balls going out on the field, game players distracted and confused. They are soon directed to an adjacent open field.

Other humorous stories/tidbits are welcomed.
Does anyone know anything about the Club AYLC? Is this a competitive club team or rec? Is this a daddy ball team?
Will the WSYL kids be able to tryout for the UA All American showcase? Looks like the days overlap for the DC tryout. Has anyone had the guts to ask if players will be excused from the festivities to tryout?
Or just do UA next year and the next year and the next year. He is in 8th grade. Relax.
There are at least 3 who moved down from BLC blue, last years elite pre-DCE team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humorous/entertaining tidbits from the tournament:

Cheap shot of the day: Above mentioned slash by True Annapolis attackmen coming from behind and breaking a pole's arm away from the play.

Awards for "What were you thinking?"
1) WSYL organizers: putting the game film camera scaffolding 6 feet from the sidelines. Within 5 minutes of the first game, player from one team pushes a sprinting a midi out of bounds at mid-field and the midi goes crashing directly into the metal scaffolding and tears up his legs on the old fashioned wheels. Kid's legs are beat up, but no concussions from hitting the metal scaffolding. Parents then move the scaffolding farther away from the sideline.
2) WSYL organizers (again) - not marking the center out of bounds lines with a pylon/marker. As a result, multiple kids run out of bounds, thinking that the out of bounds was another painted line 6 feet away. Parents spoke up and a marker was put on the midfield line.
3) FCA Upstate U13 coaches - Warming up for their next game in the 10 feet of space between the shooting nets and the end lines, while a game was going on the field. Balls going out on the field, game players distracted and confused. They are soon directed to an adjacent open field.

Other humorous stories/tidbits are welcomed.

Good for you. "Humorous and entertaining," indeed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Or just do UA next year and the next year and the next year. He is in 8th grade. Relax.

Love this response! So true!
What's the turn out going to be at this??? Who's going? June 19-20 in MD.

https://youthlaxchampionship.com/
HOCO League Results today

Elite
Crabs 11 vs FCA 10
Madlax Capital 10 vs True Annapolis Green 3
Team 91 10 vs DC Express Black 3
Next Level Blue 11 vs Annapolis Hawks Green 7

AAA
Top Caliber 10 vs Green Turtle 4
Hawks Black 10 vs PLC Gold 5
Zingo's Black 7 vs VLC 6
Kooper's 6 vs Sidewinders 5
Cannon's Gold 12 vs Team Maryland LC 11

AA
DC Express Orange 16 vs Breakers Blue 2
ALC Bay Raiders 13 vs FLC 6
Rock Top 22 12 vs Madlax DMV 6
Next Level Red 6 vs HLC 2

A
Cannon's Blue 7 vs MESA 5
Rock Top 44 5 vs True Baltimore 7
HoCo Pink 5 vs Hard Lax Elite 9
True Annapolis White 11 vs Breakers Orange 8
HOCO A

Where is this hardlax elite team from? 28 GF 13 GA. Never heard of them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HOCO A

Where is this hardlax elite team from? 28 GF 13 GA. Never heard of them.

Northern VA, new club coached and founded by great coach from PVI high school. Great opportunity for folks in that area. Good people involved.
Thank you for posting the HOCO 2025 scores. Great to see it all in one place each week.
2025 HOCO Scores from Sunday April 11th

Elite
Hawks Green 12 FCA 11

AAA
Cannons Gold 13 Kooper's 2
Top Caliber 10 VLC 8

AA
Breakers 8 Madlax DMV 3
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you saw DC Express Orange play this spring, they are not sand bagging. They are in the appropriate division.


Really??? This post hasn't aged well.
TM 2025 v Zingos 2025 AAA HoCo stream 4/20 7pm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDbwYDaumkM
Anyone know of any teams playing in the Delaware Spring Classic Tournament on 23 May?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know of any teams playing in the Delaware Spring Classic Tournament on 23 May?

Good Mix of NJ/MD/NY teams!
Ok. Care to name any specific teams?
2025 Elite Division Standings & Games (4/24-25)

Saturday Games
Madlax Capital: 12 vs FCA: 9
Team 91: 16 vs Annapolis Hawks Green: 6
Next Level Blue: 17 vs Looney's: 4
DC Express Black: 9 vs Crabs: 8

Sunday Games
Team 91: 14 vs Madlax Capital: 5
True Annapolis Green: 8 vs FCA: 7
Next Level Blue: 9 vs DC Express Black: 8 

Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6
 Next Level Blue 4:1. AGD +4.8
 DC Express Black 3:2. AGD +0.4
 Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
 Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3. AGD +1
 True Annapolis Green. 2:2. AGD +0.5
 Madlax Capital. 2:3. AGD -1.6
 FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
 Looney's 0:5. AGD -11
Team 91 continues to work hard and have success in a very tough division. Next weeks game vs Next Level will be the one to watch.
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)
2025 AAA Division Standings & Games (week of 4/24)

Team Maryland LC: 9 vs Zingo's Black: 8
PLC Gold: 7 vs Sidewinders: 6 
Cannon's Gold: 12 vs Hawks Black: 2
Kooper's: 9 vs Zingo's Black: 8
Team Maryland LC: 11 vs Top Caliber: 6
VLC: 6 vs Green Turtle: 2

Standings 
 Cannon's 5:0
 Kooper's 4:1
 Team MD LC 4:1
 Green Turtle 3:2
 Top Caliber 3:2
 VLC 2:3
 Zingo's Black 1:4
 PLC Gold 1:4
 Hawks Black 1:4
 Sidewinders 1:4
2025 AA Division Standings & Games (week of 4/24)
Breakers Blue: 4 vs THLC 3 
ALC Bay Raiders:12 vs Rock Top 22: 6
Next Level Red:14 vs Madlax DMV: 1
DC Express Orange:14 vs FLC: 4

Standings 
DC Express Orange 5:0 
Next Level Red 5:0 
ALC Bay Raiders 4:1 
Breakers Blue 2:3 
Rock Top 22 2:3 
FLC 2:3 
HLC 0:5 
Madlax DMV 0:5
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively

I've watched of couple of 91's games when our guys played either before or after. They are really good offensively, seem to dominate on time of possession while averaging almost 15 goals per game. They just wear down opposing defenses. And the face off guy is pretty good at getting them the possessions. With their defense giving up fewer than 5 goals per game, they are pretty stout as well. Hopefully the game vs NL will be live streamed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively

I've watched of couple of 91's games when our guys played either before or after. They are really good offensively, seem to dominate on time of possession while averaging almost 15 goals per game. They just wear down opposing defenses. And the face off guy is pretty good at getting them the possessions. With their defense giving up fewer than 5 goals per game, they are pretty stout as well. Hopefully the game vs NL will be live streamed.

I actually think 91's offense and time of possession is their best defense.... I consider their D average at very best. But when your O is scoring 15+ a game - who cares? lol
"91 is a machine offensively"

Agree - they have a lot of depth (I think at least 7 different players scored in our game) and spread out opposing defense making it look easy.

Looks like they are also a defensive powerhouse with less than 5 goals a game. Any take on that? Is it mostly because they can keep the ball on their side of the field?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Standings 
Team 91 6:0 Average Goal Differential +10.6

Still the team to beat. Can anyone give them some competition? They have won every game by at least 7 goals. NL and True still on the schedule.
Next Level Blue 4:1 AGD +4.8
Looking strong and could give 91 some competition next week. AGD could be inflated since they have 3 tough teams still on the schedule. Also their only loss is FCA's only win.
DC Express Black 3:2 AGD +0.4
They have the closest game against 91 so far and only other loss was to NL in a crazy competitive game
Crabs 3:3 AGD -2.6
Got off to a slow start but have won 3 of the past 4 games and lost to Express by one goal this week. AGD is negative but they have played 91 but not Looneys yet
Annapolis Hawks Green 3:3 AGD +1
Not sure what's happening here some competitive games and some decisive victories
True Annapolis Green 2:2 AGD +0.5
Have only played 4 games so need to see more for a read. AGD is probably inflated since they have played Looneys but not 91 yet.
Madlax Capital 2:3 AGD -1.6
Had a tough early schedule and a strong team . Also haven't played Looneys
FCA 1:5 AGD -3.2
Much better than their record IMO - playing some strong and tight games and beat NL - still have Looneys
Looney's 0:5 AGD -11
Not really looking like an elite division team. They have lost by at least 7 goals in every game (I guess that balances out 91)


With the exception of Looney's, the modern day MIAA. I'd have to arguably say that the other 8 are 8 of the top 20-25 in the country hands down... kudos to the Mid-Atlantic.

91 is a machine offensively

I've watched of couple of 91's games when our guys played either before or after. They are really good offensively, seem to dominate on time of possession while averaging almost 15 goals per game. They just wear down opposing defenses. And the face off guy is pretty good at getting them the possessions. With their defense giving up fewer than 5 goals per game, they are pretty stout as well. Hopefully the game vs NL will be live streamed.

I actually think 91's offense and time of possession is their best defense.... I consider their D average at very best. But when your O is scoring 15+ a game - who cares? lol

I've seen every team this season to this point. My team defense rankings:

1. Madlax
2. 91
3. DC Express
4. Hawks
5. Next Level
6. Crabs
7. True Annapolis
8. FCA
9. Looney's
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've seen every team this season to this point. My team defense rankings:

1. Madlax
2. 91
3. DC Express
4. Hawks
5. Next Level
6. Crabs
7. True Annapolis
8. FCA
9. Looney's

How do you evaluate the defense? I'm not throwing shade - I'm honestly trying to learn the game better. I'm an analyst so going by the numbers I would look at Total Goals given up, average goals against, and then probably % of games where they give up a lot of goals (win or lose). I'll choose 10 since it gives us a nice data distribution.

So even if you throw out the teams who haven't played 91 Madlax is only 4th of 7 - again based on the data.

How are you ranking them first? Is it based on how they play together? I know it's hard to quantify team work. Or how they "ride" or "body" or "hands" (things I hear people scream at the defense). I know there are other things at play - for instance the 91 offense makes the 91 defense look good statistically. I'm guessing a weak goalie could make a strong D look worse or vice versa.

     (Tot)  (GA avg).  (% of games where opponents score 10+ goals)
1 91_____  29   4.8    0%
2 express_  35   7.0    20%
3 NL*_____ 35  7.0     20%
4 TRUE*__  30  7.5     50%
5 hawks__   51  8.5     50%
6 madlax__  49  9.8    60%
7 crabs___   65  10.8.   50%
8 fca_____   72  12.0.   67%
9 looneys_   69  13.8.   80%

*haven't played 91 yet so may skew the data
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've seen every team this season to this point. My team defense rankings:

1. Madlax
2. 91
3. DC Express
4. Hawks
5. Next Level
6. Crabs
7. True Annapolis
8. FCA
9. Looney's

How do you evaluate the defense? I'm not throwing shade - I'm honestly trying to learn the game better. I'm an analyst so going by the numbers I would look at Total Goals given up, average goals against, and then probably % of games where they give up a lot of goals (win or lose). I'll choose 10 since it gives us a nice data distribution.

So even if you throw out the teams who haven't played 91 Madlax is only 4th of 7 - again based on the data.

How are you ranking them first? Is it based on how they play together? I know it's hard to quantify team work. Or how they "ride" or "body" or "hands" (things I hear people scream at the defense). I know there are other things at play - for instance the 91 offense makes the 91 defense look good statistically. I'm guessing a weak goalie could make a strong D look worse or vice versa.

     (Tot)  (GA avg).  (% of games where opponents score 10+ goals)
1 91_____  29   4.8    0%
2 express_  35   7.0    20%
3 NL*_____ 35  7.0     20%
4 TRUE*__  30  7.5     50%
5 hawks__   51  8.5     50%
6 madlax__  49  9.8    60%
7 crabs___   65  10.8.   50%
8 fca_____   72  12.0.   67%
9 looneys_   69  13.8.   80%

*haven't played 91 yet so may skew the data

Teams haven't played the same number of games (e.g., 91 => 6, NL => 5, True => 4) so data is skewed even without considering who has played who. You would need a lot more statistics to be able to quantitatively evaluate each teams defense, which I doubt even each team is doing. So either way there is going to be some inherent bias in any ranking because you either are using a limited data set on teams with uneven schedules or its based on "look and feel" or "gut feeling". If you had enough data you could consider Attacking Possessions, Goals Scored per Attacking Possession, Man Down Defense Opportunities vs Man Down Goals Against.
I can’t really see how the previous poster could rank MadLax above 91 at this point. 91 has only given up 29 goals in 6 games and MadLax has given up 49 through 5. They also beat MadLax 14-5 so e logic doesn’t make any sense here. Until someone can knock off the big dog 91 holds that #1 spot.
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.

So I assume that to mean with Semi & Final on the same weekend that it is only the top 4 in each division? 1v4 2v3 Sat and then winners on Sun? Anyone below 4 is see you next year?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.

So I assume that to mean with Semi & Final on the same weekend that it is only the top 4 in each division? 1v4 2v3 Sat and then winners on Sun? Anyone below 4 is see you next year?

What our coach told us is that the w/e of the 15th is a make up game weekend. Top 4 go to playoffs, semi's will be played on Fri 21st and Sat 22nd, championships on Sun 23rd.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone direct me on HoCo playoffs?
Do all teams in a grouping (E, AAA, AA etc) make it, or just the top 2/4/6 etc.?
Would the games be played over a weekend (Sat/Sun) or over 2 weekends (Sat/Sat)?

Thank You.

As far as I know, all divisions have a playoff.

For format, our coach has us holding the weekend of the 15th for semi-finals on Saturday and championship (if you make it) on Sunday.

So I assume that to mean with Semi & Final on the same weekend that it is only the top 4 in each division? 1v4 2v3 Sat and then winners on Sun? Anyone below 4 is see you next year?

In 2026, they are doing a play in where 4 plays 5 for the last spot. then that winner vs #1 and #2 vs #3.
If that's true, then that sounds silly, unless there's a tie between the 4 and % seed!
We can put this one to bed now since MadLax gave up 11 goals in a loss to the Hawks and 91 rolled again to beat Next Level 12-3. It’s not even close......
2025 Elite Division Standings & Games (5/2-3)

Saturday
Team 91: 12 vs Next Level: 3
True: 9 vs DC Express: 4
Hawks: 11 vs Madlax: 10
FCA: 18 vs Looney's: 7

Sunday
Madlax: 3 vs DC Express: 2
Next Level: 10 vs True: 8 

Standings
 Team 91 7:0 - Playoff Lock
 Next Level Blue 5:2 - Playoff Lock
 Crabs 4:3 - TBD
 Annapolis Hawks Green 4:3 - TBD
 True Annapolis Green 3:3 - TBD
Madlax Capital 3:4 - TBD
 DC Express Black 3:4 - TBD  
 FCA 2:5 - Out
 Looney's 0:7 - Out

Some of the TBDs are long shots but I think there is still a chance
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

This is just absurd. Yes, Black is not doing well. Part of that is due to some injuries and part of that is just a testament to how strong the Elite Division is. And yes, Orange is doing very well. They are very talented for the AA Division. But they would be doing as poorly as Looney’s if they played in the Elite. It’s just not the same level of lacrosse in Elite as it is in AA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2025 Elite Division Standings & Games (5/2-3)

Saturday
Team 91: 12 vs Next Level: 3
True: 9 vs DC Express: 4
Hawks: 11 vs Madlax: 10
FCA: 18 vs Looney's: 7

Sunday
Madlax: 3 vs DC Express: 2
Next Level: 10 vs True: 8 

Standings
 Team 91 7:0 - Playoff Lock
 Next Level Blue 5:2 - Playoff Lock
 Crabs 4:3 - TBD
 Annapolis Hawks Green 4:3 - TBD
 True Annapolis Green 3:3 - TBD
Madlax Capital 3:4 - TBD
 DC Express Black 3:4 - TBD  
 FCA 2:5 - Out
 Looney's 0:7 - Out

Some of the TBDs are long shots but I think there is still a chance

Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.
Incorrect, Hawks beat Crabs. But this scenario would come down to goals against and would probably end up in the Hawks favor as well. But there are many other scenarios that could come down to teams missing out on playoffs due to total goals against. Hawks and Crabs are in trouble if they both lose and DCE wins.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.

That is a very interesting scenario. If that does play out, Hawks, Crabs, True, ML, and DCE would all be tied at 4-4. Going through the tiebreakers, it would come down to #5 Total Goals Scored Against or #6 Coin Flip to determine final standings and playoff seeding. Could make for some very high scoring affairs this weekend.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Incorrect, Hawks beat Crabs. But this scenario would come down to goals against and would probably end up in the Hawks favor as well. But there are many other scenarios that could come down to teams missing out on playoffs due to total goals against. Hawks and Crabs are in trouble if they both lose and DCE wins.


Hawks are 3rd in Total GA, but True has 2 games this weekend, including 91 which is likely to blow that GA.

True - 44
DCE - 47
Hawks - 61
Madlax - 62
Crabs - 71
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.

While possible, its unlikely. Using the Colley Matrix algorthim (uses wins and strength of schedule) and current records, the team rankings (and Colley score) are:

#1 : Team 91 (0.855)
#2 : Next Level (0.646)
#3 : Hawks (0.555)
#4 : Crabs (0.535)
#5 : Madlax (0.485)
#6 : DC Express (0.465)
#7 : True Annapolis (0.455)
#8 : FCA (0.354)
#9 : Looney's (0.152)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

This is just absurd. Yes, Black is not doing well. Part of that is due to some injuries and part of that is just a testament to how strong the Elite Division is. And yes, Orange is doing very well. They are very talented for the AA Division. But they would be doing as poorly as Looney’s if they played in the Elite. It’s just not the same level of lacrosse in Elite as it is in AA.

Cool your jets Top Gun. I guess the Chardonnay was hitting just right on a Monday night MOM. You are going to go on here and blast the Black team...the same club as Orange...a majority of young men that are friends with each other!?!? I guess little Timmy didn't make the Black team so you feel the need to take a cheap shot from behind your keyboard? Maybe little Timmy should hit the wall! Yes, Orange is doing well. Yes, Orange should be competing in AAA. Orange hasn't won any championship and still has work to do...so chill out. With that said...Orange wants to play Looney's asap!
I am curious why MadLax 2025 isn't doing well. Ranked as the #1 team in the country and they're 3-4 in HoCo?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am curious why MadLax 2025 isn't doing well. Ranked as the #1 team in the country and they're 3-4 in HoCo?

Nice try troll. Madlax is not #1 for the reason you write about. Everyone knows who the #1 team in the country is, and they've beat ML the previous two outings.
MadLax has different rosters based on what season it is. In the Summer, they will have tournament teams which will have boys from outside the area (on the 2025 team, 4-5 boys from TX will run with them.) The TX players and potentially others do not play with them during the HOCO season. That being said, they have not been ranked #1 for awhile now, but a top tier club with or without the out of area kids.
Thanks for the answer about Madlax. I am not the PP and not a troll, and was wondering the same thing - how a team in the national discussion would have a losing record in a local league. I knew they added Texas kids for summer tournaments but did not realize how big the impact.
I would not characterize HOCO as 'just a local league.' Every team in that Elite division can play with, if not be favored to beat any out of area team. I am biased, but it has to be the most competitive league out there (I am sure some of the LI folks would disagree, and they would be the only ones that could even make a case.) Add 3-5 elite players to any team and it can make a huge difference. I would argue that at least 5 teams if not more should be listed as 5 of the top 10-15 (and probably 7 in the top 20) teams in the country. ie: FCA has not had a successful season by wins and losses but the talent that team has is excellent and they can beat any team in the country if on their game (coming from a non-FCA affiliated person)
No detest to you But fca does not have what It takes to be great. I strongly disagree with you when you said fca could be anyone in the country when they are playing their best
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

Why so bitter about not making Black? Be happy in Orange, at least your son gets some playing time there.
And by all means you are entitled to your own opinion. They have some very talented young men and have already posted wins in the past year or so against teams like LI Express, Hawks, Next Level, West Coast Starz Gold, etc. Thus I do not think my statement is that far fetched. So I disagree with your strong disagreement, recognizing they have also logged some very questionable losses. I believe scheme and potentially too much individual play may work against them, but again just my opinion. Solid squad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No detest to you But fca does not have what It takes to be great. I strongly disagree with you when you said fca could be anyone in the country when they are playing their best

The only team they can’t beat is Team 91 MD which is true of all 2025s.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax
Dude you have WAY too much time on your hands. Collecting unemployment?
Dude you have WAY too much time on your hands. Collecting unemployment?


Yes. Government pays me more to stay home than go to work!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax


There is a correction in Scenario 4. Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, True and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). DC Express and Hawks have higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3) and thus eliminate Madlax and True. DC Express would earn the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) s Hawks.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 – DC Express
#5 – Hawks

Using the scenarios, actual game results and Poisson distribution to develop playoff probabilities the following is offered. The columns represent the Playoff Seed #, and the rows are the likelihood that team earns that playoff seed. For example, Crabs have a 25% chance of earning #2 seed, and 50% chance of earning the #4 seed with a 75% chance of making the playoffs.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1- - - - 2- - - - -3- - - - -4- - - - -5 - -Overall Likelihood
Team 91 - - - - - - - - -1.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Next Level Blue - - - - - -0.000- - 0.750- - - 0.250- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Annapolis Hawks Green - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.625- - - 0.250- - -0.125- - -1.000
Crabs - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.250- - - 0.000- - - 0.500- - -0.000- - -0.750
Madlax Capital - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.875- - -0.875
DC Express Black- - - - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.125- - - 0.250- - -0.000- - -0.375
True- - - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -0.000

Other considerations:
- In order for Crabs to make the playoffs, they either need to win vs NL or FCA must win vs DCE.
- In order for DCE to make the playoffs, they need to win vs FCA and NL win vs Crabs or True win vs Hawks.
Sick amount of work and effort right here!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax


There is a correction in Scenario 4. Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, True and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). DC Express and Hawks have higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3) and thus eliminate Madlax and True. DC Express would earn the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) s Hawks.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 – DC Express
#5 – Hawks

Using the scenarios, actual game results and Poisson distribution to develop playoff probabilities the following is offered. The columns represent the Playoff Seed #, and the rows are the likelihood that team earns that playoff seed. For example, Crabs have a 25% chance of earning #2 seed, and 50% chance of earning the #4 seed with a 75% chance of making the playoffs.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1- - - - 2- - - - -3- - - - -4- - - - -5 - -Overall Likelihood
Team 91 - - - - - - - - -1.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Next Level Blue - - - - - -0.000- - 0.750- - - 0.250- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Annapolis Hawks Green - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.625- - - 0.250- - -0.125- - -1.000
Crabs - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.250- - - 0.000- - - 0.500- - -0.000- - -0.750
Madlax Capital - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.875- - -0.875
DC Express Black- - - - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.125- - - 0.250- - -0.000- - -0.375
True- - - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -0.000

Other considerations:
- In order for Crabs to make the playoffs, they either need to win vs NL or FCA must win vs DCE.
- In order for DCE to make the playoffs, they need to win vs FCA and NL win vs Crabs or True win vs Hawks.


This is exactly why I come here. For statistical analysis of 8th grade lacrosse. Cant get much better
Nobody unemployed could afford to pay for "elite" lacrosse for 8th graders. Likely someone that makes so much money they have other people doing all their work.
How many teams get in? 4 or 5?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many teams get in? 4 or 5?

For divisions with 9 teams 5 will get in and #4 vs #5 will play on Friday evening next week.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking at potential playoff match ups, I looked at 8 different possible results from this coming weekend. In each of the following scenarios, 91MD over True and Madlax over Looney’s are constant:

Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4
DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA DCE over FCA
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 5 Scenario 6 Scenario 7 Scenario 8
FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE FCA over DCE
NL over Crabs NL over Crabs Crabs over NL Crabs over NL
True over Hawks Hawks over True Hawks over True True over Hawks

Scenario 1 results in DCE, Madlax, Hawks, Crabs and True having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4, and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seed 3 through 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 2 results in DCE, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, DCE would be the #4 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seed 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – DC Express
#5 – TBD

Scenario 3 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax and DC Express tied at 4 - 4 and vying for the #5 seed. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Next Level would be the #2 Seed based on Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Playoff seeding for Seeds 3 and 4 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6). Madlax would earn the #5 seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs DC Express
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 , #4 – TBD
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4, #5– TBD

Scenario 5 results in Hawks, True, Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #3, #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs and Hawks would be ahead of Madlax and True based on having a higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Hawks would then be the #3 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Crabs. Playoff seeding for Seeds 4 & 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 - Crabs
#5 – TBD

Scenario 6 results in Madlax, and Crabs having the same records at 4 wins and 4 losses and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs Madlax.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3 – Hawks
#4 – Crabs
#5 – Madlax

Scenario 7 results in Next Level, Hawks and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2, #3, and #4 seeds, and Madlax earning the #5 seed at 4 - 4. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, playoff seeding for Seeds 3, 4 and 5 would be determined by either Total Goals Scored Against (TB #5) or Coin Flip (TB #6).
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Next Level
#3, #4, #5 - TBD

Scenario 8 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, and True tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) vs NL. Hawks would earn Seed #3 based on higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3). Madlax would earn Playoff Seed 5 based on H2H win (TB #2) vs True.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 - Hawks
#5– Madlax


There is a correction in Scenario 4. Scenario 4 results in Next Level and Crabs having the same records at 5 wins and 3 losses and vying for the #2 and #3, and Hawks, Madlax, True and DC Express tied at 4 – 4 and vying for the #4 and #5 seeds. Based on GHCLC tie-breaking procedures and depending on actual scores, Crabs would be the #2 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2). DC Express and Hawks have higher Winning % of Opponents Beaten (TB#3) and thus eliminate Madlax and True. DC Express would earn the #4 Seed based on H2H win (TB #2) s Hawks.
#1 – 91MD
#2 – Crabs
#3 – Next Level
#4 – DC Express
#5 – Hawks

Using the scenarios, actual game results and Poisson distribution to develop playoff probabilities the following is offered. The columns represent the Playoff Seed #, and the rows are the likelihood that team earns that playoff seed. For example, Crabs have a 25% chance of earning #2 seed, and 50% chance of earning the #4 seed with a 75% chance of making the playoffs.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1- - - - 2- - - - -3- - - - -4- - - - -5 - -Overall Likelihood
Team 91 - - - - - - - - -1.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Next Level Blue - - - - - -0.000- - 0.750- - - 0.250- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -1.000
Annapolis Hawks Green - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.625- - - 0.250- - -0.125- - -1.000
Crabs - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.250- - - 0.000- - - 0.500- - -0.000- - -0.750
Madlax Capital - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.875- - -0.875
DC Express Black- - - - 0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.125- - - 0.250- - -0.000- - -0.375
True- - - - - - - - - - - - -0.000- - 0.000- - - 0.000- - - 0.000- - -0.000- - -0.000

Other considerations:
- In order for Crabs to make the playoffs, they either need to win vs NL or FCA must win vs DCE.
- In order for DCE to make the playoffs, they need to win vs FCA and NL win vs Crabs or True win vs Hawks.

So now that the results are in we can finalize the 2025 Elite playoffs. Based on the tie breaking procedures, the following are the projected to be the seeds/teams for the playoffs:

#1 - Team 91 MD (8-0)
#2 - Next Level (6-2)
#3 - Annapolis Hawks (5-3)
#4 - DC Express Black (4-4, TB#3 Highest Winning % of Opponents Beaten)
#5 Crabs (4-4, TB#2 Head-to-Head win vs. Madlax)

#4 DC Express should play #5 Crabs at 8pm on Friday at Troy #1.

#4 vs #5 winner should play #1 Team 91 MD at 5pm on Saturday at Troy #1
#2 Next Level should play #3 Hawks at 6:30pm on Saturday at Troy #1

Championship will be Sunday at 4:30pm at Troy #1
Where did the game times come from?
The head to head tiebreaker would be thrown out since MadLax beat DC Express, Crabs beat MadLax, and DC Express beat Crabs. DC Express would be in based on the win against Annapolis Hawks. I believe this will all come down to GA (since win % of opponents beaten would be the same/along with win percentage of all opponents), which MadLax would have the edge in. Thus Crabs will be on the outside looking in (crazy to think, had they scored that goal in OT this weekend that they'd be the #2 seed.....and now they are the #6.)
Originally Posted by BOTCUser34
The head to head tiebreaker would be thrown out since MadLax beat DC Express, Crabs beat MadLax, and DC Express beat Crabs. DC Express would be in based on the win against Annapolis Hawks. I believe this will all come down to GA (since win % of opponents beaten would be the same/along with win percentage of all opponents), which MadLax would have the edge in. Thus Crabs will be on the outside looking in (crazy to think, had they scored that goal in OT this weekend that they'd be the #2 seed.....and now they are the #6.)

That is incorrect and not how tie breakers work with multiple teams Madlax Dad. With all 3 teams tied, it goes to the first TB that breaks the tie. Then since ML and Crabs are still tied, the TB's start over at TB #1 (still tied) and then move to TB#2, which is the H2H and thus ML is out and Crabs are in.
Not a MadLax Dad my man. And it is exactly how tiebreakers should work. The head to head is not relevant since all three teams have beaten each other. (DC over Crabs, ML over DC, and Crabs over DC.). You then move on to the next set of tiebreakers which is how Dc Express gets the 4th spot.

You cannot then go back to head to head for Crabs and MadLax since you’ve already passed that tiebreaker level. Crabs and MadLax (I’m assuming) have the same win percentage over the teams they’ve beaten, and obviously have played all the same teams, thus you go to goals allowed. That’s where ML has the advantage.

Honestly if they do it any other way, it’s incorrect.
Has anyone actually heard from the league? I heard at a different event this morning from Madlax parents who thought they were playing Crabs and from Express parents who definitely thought they had a spot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a MadLax Dad my man. And it is exactly how tiebreakers should work. The head to head is not relevant since all three teams have beaten each other. (DC over Crabs, ML over DC, and Crabs over DC.). You then move on to the next set of tiebreakers which is how Dc Express gets the 4th spot.

You cannot then go back to head to head for Crabs and MadLax since you’ve already passed that tiebreaker level. Crabs and MadLax (I’m assuming) have the same win percentage over the teams they’ve beaten, and obviously have played all the same teams, thus you go to goals allowed. That’s where ML has the advantage.

Honestly if they do it any other way, it’s incorrect.

Ok smart guy, if you get to the coin flip with all 3 teams still tied, do you have a 3 sided coin to break the tie?
Crabs are out. DCE 4 seed will play ML 5 seed, as a play in game on Friday. Winner to advance to play Team 91 Saturday. Hawks and NL play to advance to championship game. Good luck to all. heck of a division.
Not smart, just correct. Like I mentioned, I have no dog in this fight....no affiliation with any of the 3 teams. You just follow the 'tiebreaker process' to determine 4, 5, and 6.
Is anyone running a Madlax roster check to see how many kids they are flying in from Texas?
If dc is in because they beat hawks then that would leave ML and crabs left. Wouldn’t crabs be in because they beat ML?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If dc is in because they beat hawks then that would leave ML and crabs left. Wouldn’t crabs be in because they beat ML?

That tie breaker doesn't work because they all beat one of the others. So all head to head match ups for those 3 teams cannot be a factor. They have to move on to the next criteria. Express is the only one of the 3 teams that beat a team with a winning record (Hawks) so that factors in for the second tie breaker - that's why they get the 4th spot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If dc is in because they beat hawks then that would leave ML and crabs left. Wouldn’t crabs be in because they beat ML?

That tie breaker doesn't work because they all beat one of the others. So all head to head match ups for those 3 teams cannot be a factor. They have to move on to the next criteria. Express is the only one of the 3 teams that beat a team with a winning record (Hawks) so that factors in for the second tie breaker - that's why they get the 4th spot.

That DCE beating Hawks is not a TB criteria. From GHCLC By-Laws:

Tie Breaking-End of season tie breaker procedures
1.Record/Winning percentage
2.Head to Head
3.Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4.Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5.Total goals scored against
6.Coin Toss/Card Draw

There are no guidelines either in the Game Play Rules or By-Laws as to how to apply these procedures. Some leagues use these for 2-way ties (only between two teams), and in the case of 3-way ties (3 or more teams), the criteria is applied until the tie is broken and if two or more teams are still tied the process reverts to the 1st criteria and is followed again until all ties are broken. In the case of 2025 Elite, TB Criteria #1 is N/A since DCE, Crabs, and Madlax are all 0.500. TB Criteria #2 is N/A because DCE beat Crabs, Crabs beat Madlax and Madlax beat DCE. In TB Criteria #3, DCE has a winning % of 1.375 (wins vs. Hawks, Crabs, FCA, and Looneys). Crabs and Madlax have a winning % of 1.125 (Crabs have wins vs Madlax, True, FCA, Looney's) (Madlax has wins vs DCE, True, FCA, Looney's). So DCE earns the #4 seed based on TB#3. If the process then reverts to TB #1 because Crabs and Madlax are still tied, Crabs would earn the #5 seed because they have the TB#2 H2H win vs Madlax. If the process continues to TB #4 Crabs and Madlax are still tied. At TB#5 Madlax would earn the #5 seed because they have fewer goals scored against (69) than Crabs (77).

So it depends on how the league applies the tie breaking procedures.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is anyone running a Madlax roster check to see how many kids they are flying in from Texas?

At least some of the TX kids are already on the ML roster. I would guess though that the TX kids are not flying in for HoCo, not even for the playoff games.
Crabs are in at the #5 seed over ML it is official.
Heard from a reliable source they are bringing in at lease 1 TX kid.
I don’t know who u heard that from but you sources are wrong. Fact check them next time brother
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don’t know who u heard that from but you sources are wrong. Fact check them next time brother

Why does it matter? Whoever makes the playoffs will certainly bow out to 91 on Saturday anyways...
This right here quite possibly might be the smartest thing anyone hAs said in this post - whoever it is gets ousted by 91 on Saturday.
Looking at the scores, Crabs did the best against 91 of all the teams.
Who’s playing Friday? Crabs v DCE, Madlax v Crabs or DCE v Madlax? Madlax and DCE are both saying differently.
I don’t know about that. Yes 91 is a very good group but someone is gonna take down the big dogs. Just a matter of when and who. What better timing to take them down in a playoff game
crabs is playing DCE friday night
91 looking at it is the team to beat but off the field they are having some problems which could hurt them going into the playoffs
Crabs scored the most goals against 91 but DC Express had the closest game; only team to hold 91 to 10 goals. Who is everyone taking in the other semi final? Hawks or Next Level?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 looking at it is the team to beat but off the field they are having some problems which could hurt them going into the playoffs
Of what problems do you speak? Please elaborate and educate the forum....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 looking at it is the team to beat but off the field they are having some problems which could hurt them going into the playoffs

Only off field issues 91 is dealing with is reading all the locker room talk from teams that think they have a shot to beat them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 looking at it is the team to beat but off the field they are having some problems which could hurt them going into the playoffs

Ha ha ha. That's funny. Maybe that's why they gave up the two goals to True. Prolly shoulda been a shutout.
what team do you believe has the best shot at taking down the big dogs AKA team 91?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don’t know about that. Yes 91 is a very good group but someone is gonna take down the big dogs. Just a matter of when and who. What better timing to take them down in a playoff game

Sweetlax, HHH, Hawks, LI Express and probably Madlax will beat 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don’t know about that. Yes 91 is a very good group but someone is gonna take down the big dogs. Just a matter of when and who. What better timing to take them down in a playoff game

Sweetlax, HHH, Hawks, LI Express and probably Madlax will beat 91

Haters gone detest. Beat Sweetlax Upstate and Florida last summer and fall, Hawks haven't beaten 91 in 3 years, beat Madlax already this spring and last fall. Last time they played HHH/Philly Special beat them. Haven't played LI E in almost 2 years, but betcha it'd be a win. Thanks for trying tho.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don’t know about that. Yes 91 is a very good group but someone is gonna take down the big dogs. Just a matter of when and who. What better timing to take them down in a playoff game

Sweetlax, HHH, Hawks, LI Express and probably Madlax will beat 91

The only team that can beat 91 is 91.
Playoff predictions:
Crabs over dc
Next level over hawks
91 over crabs
Championchip game
91 over next level .
carbs has a good chance at 91
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don’t know about that. Yes 91 is a very good group but someone is gonna take down the big dogs. Just a matter of when and who. What better timing to take them down in a playoff game

Sweetlax, HHH, Hawks, LI Express and probably Madlax will beat 91

The only team that can beat 91 is 91.

Thanks Mark
Anyone got a Regular Season All HoCo 1st team? 3 middies, 3 d, 3 attack, 1 goalie, 1 lsm, 1 fogo, 1 ssdm
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone got a Regular Season All HoCo 1st team? 3 middies, 3 d, 3 attack, 1 goalie, 1 lsm, 1 fogo, 1 ssdm

Middies
T91MD #10 - Throw back 2-way mid. Scores from all over the field and plays solid defense.
T91MD #99 - Cannon for a shot. Scores a ton
Crabs #17 - Prototypical big mid. Shoots rockets from both sides

Attack
T91MD #77 - this kid is the real deal. Dodger and shooter. Finds the open space and takes advantage of it.
T91MD #9 - Without a doubt the QB of the 91 offense. W/O him they only score half of what they put up this spring
Next Level #27 - Moves off ball well to find the open space, hard to defend. Great hands free shooter.

FOGO
T91MD #0 - Did this guy go under 60% in any game this year?

LSM
Madlax #11 - Tall/long LSM with great range. Picks up a lot of GBs and causes TO's. Defends dodgers well.

SSDM
T91MD #18 - Great on ball defender, but has the speed to carry a clear to the offensive end.

Close Defense
T91 MD #37 - This guy always seems to be causing a TO and scooping a GB.
DC Express #22 - Very Athletic and rangy defender. Has a nose for causing TOs and getting GBs.
Madlax #15 - Big and strong Close D. Can take runs at LSM or a faceoff. Fundamentally sound. One of the best defenders I watched all spring.

Goalie
T91MD #29 - This guy made some incredible saves this year which really bailed his defense out on several occasions.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone got a Regular Season All HoCo 1st team? 3 middies, 3 d, 3 attack, 1 goalie, 1 lsm, 1 fogo, 1 ssdm

Middies
T91MD #10 - Throw back 2-way mid. Scores from all over the field and plays solid defense.
T91MD #99 - Cannon for a shot. Scores a ton
Crabs #17 - Prototypical big mid. Shoots rockets from both sides

Attack
T91MD #77 - this kid is the real deal. Dodger and shooter. Finds the open space and takes advantage of it.
T91MD #9 - Without a doubt the QB of the 91 offense. W/O him they only score half of what they put up this spring
Next Level #27 - Moves off ball well to find the open space, hard to defend. Great hands free shooter.

FOGO
T91MD #0 - Did this guy go under 60% in any game this year?

LSM
Madlax #11 - Tall/long LSM with great range. Picks up a lot of GBs and causes TO's. Defends dodgers well.

SSDM
T91MD #18 - Great on ball defender, but has the speed to carry a clear to the offensive end.

Close Defense
T91 MD #37 - This guy always seems to be causing a TO and scooping a GB.
DC Express #22 - Very Athletic and rangy defender. Has a nose for causing TOs and getting GBs.
Madlax #15 - Big and strong Close D. Can take runs at LSM or a faceoff. Fundamentally sound. One of the best defenders I watched all spring.

Goalie
T91MD #29 - This guy made some incredible saves this year which really bailed his defense out on several occasions.


Good list.... but my two cents:

Mids:

Insert 91 #27 in for 91 #10

Attack:

Insert NL #1 in for 91 #77

FOGO:

Insert DCE fogo for 91 fogo

LSM:

Insert Crabs #41 in for ML #11

All others I agree
Disagree on the mids and attack. Crabs #17 is not as good as ML #1. And on Attack NL #27 is good but Crabs #16 is much better off ball. Also think NL #1 is at least as good as #99. Better athlete and more upside.
This is amazing. I honestly only know the specific #s and talents of my child’s team, and have seen one full game for the other teams only when they play us.

Given the standings I would assume at least Hawks has at least one person that should be on this list?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone got a Regular Season All HoCo 1st team? 3 middies, 3 d, 3 attack, 1 goalie, 1 lsm, 1 fogo, 1 ssdm

Middies
T91MD #10 - Throw back 2-way mid. Scores from all over the field and plays solid defense.
T91MD #99 - Cannon for a shot. Scores a ton
Crabs #17 - Prototypical big mid. Shoots rockets from both sides

Attack
T91MD #77 - this kid is the real deal. Dodger and shooter. Finds the open space and takes advantage of it.
T91MD #9 - Without a doubt the QB of the 91 offense. W/O him they only score half of what they put up this spring
Next Level #27 - Moves off ball well to find the open space, hard to defend. Great hands free shooter.

FOGO
T91MD #0 - Did this guy go under 60% in any game this year?

LSM
Madlax #11 - Tall/long LSM with great range. Picks up a lot of GBs and causes TO's. Defends dodgers well.

SSDM
T91MD #18 - Great on ball defender, but has the speed to carry a clear to the offensive end.

Close Defense
T91 MD #37 - This guy always seems to be causing a TO and scooping a GB.
DC Express #22 - Very Athletic and rangy defender. Has a nose for causing TOs and getting GBs.
Madlax #15 - Big and strong Close D. Can take runs at LSM or a faceoff. Fundamentally sound. One of the best defenders I watched all spring.

Goalie
T91MD #29 - This guy made some incredible saves this year which really bailed his defense out on several occasions.


Good list.... but my two cents:

Mids:

Insert 91 #27 in for 91 #10

Attack:

Insert NL #1 in for 91 #77

FOGO:

Insert DCE fogo for 91 fogo

LSM:

Insert Crabs #41 in for ML #11

All others I agree

91 FOGO dominated DCE in their game. 60% at the dot and had a goal. I was already on the fence about the LSM spot between both of those players. I think either is a good choice.
What are the odds we see Crabs #17 and Next Level #27 join the dark side next season? Would anyone place money of that happening?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
carbs has a good chance at 91

I’m sure Next Level and Hawks hope this is true
there isn't a HOCO season next year for the 2025 age
Yeah no kidding, they will be high school.
Haters gonna detest! Watch the film!
The winning teams get the accolades with a few mixed in:
Therefore:

Attack :
91 - #9, #77 - already been said about these two
NL - #27 - prob best dodger in the class
Hawks - #14 - QB with prob the most assists in the league
Honorable mention - DCE #21, #3, Madlax #3, FCA #50

Middies:
91 - #27, #10 - 27 is their best, though 10 is the two way middie
NL - #7 - Good dodger and scorer
Hawks - #21 - prob hardest shot in the league
Crabs - #17 - does it all for them
Honorable Mention - 91 - #99, NL #1, Hawks #17,

Def:
91 - #45 is their best def
NL - #9 - could be the best defender in the league
Hawks - #8 - great in transition
DCE - #22 - solid defender
Honorable Mention - Madlax #15, True (numbers are tough to see, but they have a good one),

LSM
NL - #8 hands down best LSM

FoGo
91 - #9 - enough said about him
Hawks - #6 (only kid to win some against 91 kid)

SSDMs - dont know them too well but two stand out
91 - #18 - solid on ball
Hawks - #00 - could be fastest kid in the league

Goalies
91 - hard to put one of them here since they haven't been tested, but the righty is better than the lefty.
Crabs - the lefty has kept them in some tight games, should be considered.
Agree with everything but for the goalies. Fca goalie #18 very solid should definetly be considered.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The winning teams get the accolades with a few mixed in:
Therefore:

Attack :
91 - #9, #77 - already been said about these two
NL - #27 - prob best dodger in the class
Hawks - #14 - QB with prob the most assists in the league
Honorable mention - DCE #21, #3, Madlax #3, FCA #50

Middies:
91 - #27, #10 - 27 is their best, though 10 is the two way middie
NL - #7 - Good dodger and scorer
Hawks - #21 - prob hardest shot in the league
Crabs - #17 - does it all for them
Honorable Mention - 91 - #99, NL #1, Hawks #17,

Def:
91 - #45 is their best def
NL - #9 - could be the best defender in the league
Hawks - #8 - great in transition
DCE - #22 - solid defender
Honorable Mention - Madlax #15, True (numbers are tough to see, but they have a good one),

LSM
NL - #8 hands down best LSM

FoGo
91 - #9 - enough said about him
Hawks - #6 (only kid to win some against 91 kid)

SSDMs - dont know them too well but two stand out
91 - #18 - solid on ball
Hawks - #00 - could be fastest kid in the league

Goalies
91 - hard to put one of them here since they haven't been tested, but the righty is better than the lefty.
Crabs - the lefty has kept them in some tight games, should be considered.

Agree on Defense, but think for LSM Crabs #41 is at least as good as NL #8. Didn't he come to Crabs from 91? And on Attack Crabs #16 and NL #1 are at least worthy of honorable mention if FCA #50 and NL #27 are on the list, as they run their teams offenses and if making the playoffs is the key metric they should both be in over ML and FCA. But don't believe the hype on Crabs #17. Shooting machine but not necessarily a finisher.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The winning teams get the accolades with a few mixed in:
Therefore:

Attack :
91 - #9, #77 - already been said about these two
NL - #27 - prob best dodger in the class
Hawks - #14 - QB with prob the most assists in the league
Honorable mention - DCE #21, #3, Madlax #3, FCA #50

Middies:
91 - #27, #10 - 27 is their best, though 10 is the two way middie
NL - #7 - Good dodger and scorer
Hawks - #21 - prob hardest shot in the league
Crabs - #17 - does it all for them
Honorable Mention - 91 - #99, NL #1, Hawks #17,

Def:
91 - #45 is their best def
NL - #9 - could be the best defender in the league
Hawks - #8 - great in transition
DCE - #22 - solid defender
Honorable Mention - Madlax #15, True (numbers are tough to see, but they have a good one),

LSM
NL - #8 hands down best LSM

FoGo
91 - #9 - enough said about him
Hawks - #6 (only kid to win some against 91 kid)

SSDMs - dont know them too well but two stand out
91 - #18 - solid on ball
Hawks - #00 - could be fastest kid in the league

Goalies
91 - hard to put one of them here since they haven't been tested, but the righty is better than the lefty.
Crabs - the lefty has kept them in some tight games, should be considered.


ATTACK:
NL #27
FCA #50
91 #9

MIDFIELD:
91 #99
91 #27
HAWKS #21

DEFENSE:
ML #15
DCE #22
NL #9

LSM:
CRABS #41

SSDM:
HAWKS #00

FOGO:
91 #0

GOALIE:
91 #29
I agree one hundred percent with this one
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah no kidding, they will be high school.

Only for the already holdbacks/reclassed/prefirsts, anyone not held back will be there next year. MD lacrosse as it should be played. LOL
from a dad standpoint watching my son play for 91 is basically just watching him stand for 40 minutes of there games they do not have any depth and some of there off the field problems may involve in there social life.
Anyone else creeped out by the Daddy Depth Chart?
no the daddy's know everything
yes the daddy depth chart really makes u say "oh daddy they really know everything"
Originally Posted by Anonymous
from a dad standpoint watching my son play for 91 is basically just watching him stand for 40 minutes of there games they do not have any depth and some of there off the field problems may involve in there social life.
Such as?
Tell your son to PRACTICE MORE
OK I BET YOUR SON IS PLAYING IN THE AA DIVISION FOR SOMEONE LIKE BREAKERS
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone else creeped out by the Daddy Depth Chart?

You mean the all star team? Yes, a bit creepy. Nothing over the top, but these guys seem a little too focused on other people's 8th grade sons.
Nah he is not, you would be suprised. He also isn't a benchwarmer who sits on left bench and may role is getting water for the starters.
my son is #10 on 91 and has # was said on the all star team and I would like to thank you for putting hard thought time into making that list I know my son earned it!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my son is #10 on 91 and has # was said on the all star team and I would like to thank you for putting hard thought time into making that list I know my son earned it!

One of, if not the top, two way middie in the 2025 class. Anyone who claims differently, has not watched him play enough.
that was not #10's dad it was a troll from someone on here
that was not #10 dad it was a troll saying that
Blatants Delaware tournament looks to be loaded onto tourney machine. Who are the T-Wrecks?
Final 4 Matches this weekend

Elite
(1) Team 91 vs QF Winner (4) DC Express Black or (5) Crabs
(2) Next Level Blue vs (3) Annapolis Hawks Green

AAA
(1) Cannons Gold vs QF Winner (4) Greene Turtle or (5) Top Caliber
(2) Team Maryland LC vs (3) Koopers

AA
(1) DC Express Orange vs (4) Rock Top 22
(2) Next Level Red vs (3) ALC Bay Raiders

A
(1) True Annapolis White vs (4) HoCo Pink
(2) Hard Lax Elite vs (3) Cannons Blue
that was not #10's dad it was a troll on here
I believe that #2 on crabs has a strong head on his shoulders and should definitely get more recognition.
This is outrageous! If team 91 had problems they would not be undefeated.
Agreed
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Final 4 Matches this weekend

Elite
(1) Team 91 vs QF Winner (4) DC Express Black or (5) Crabs
(2) Next Level Blue vs (3) Annapolis Hawks Green

AAA
(1) Cannons Gold vs QF Winner (4) Greene Turtle or (5) Top Caliber
(2) Team Maryland LC vs (3) Koopers

AA
(1) DC Express Orange vs (4) Rock Top 22
(2) Next Level Red vs (3) ALC Bay Raiders

A
(1) True Annapolis White vs (4) HoCo Pink
(2) Hard Lax Elite vs (3) Cannons Blue

One can only imagine the crying ("we wuz robbed!") from the teams that only just didn't make the playoffs in each division...
there problems are really starting to affect them. coming into this weekend anyone could beat them.
such as
That is some list of All Star 8th graders. Way more knowledge of other teams players than most. You obviously have been watching intently and taking notes. Scout for ? . Well Done, even if it seems a little over the top.
confidential sir.
This is untrue. Team 91 is full of powerhouses. Watch Crabs loose in the final game on Friday.
your son prob didn't make crabs. Tell him to HIT THE WALL
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Blatants Delaware tournament looks to be loaded onto tourney machine. Who are the T-Wrecks?

Oh I've heard of them. They're from Jurassic Park.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often US Club Lax does rankings? I'd be interested to see how different things are now that COVID didn't affect the spring season as much.
They dont use the regular season to rank
Originally Posted by Anonymous
there problems are really starting to affect them. coming into this weekend anyone could beat them.

Too bad your kid plays for looneys. Maybe he should tryout for 'Ville.
I’d love to know what problems they are having so we could let the boys know and address the issues head on. This team has never been closer and they are clicking at full force right - going to be a long summer........
Maybe he should tryout for 'Ville


Pikesville or Parkville?
there are no problems there are just trolls
good off ball player and has a rocket of a shot
great shooter and off ball guys. Has become more of a quarterback for the attack. Rides hard. love his game
Wise words from Michael Raley
Predictions for tonight’s game
Crabs win by 4
Crabs wins by a margin
I would be scared to play that crabs squad in the playoffs they are rolling right now
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would be scared to play that crabs squad in the playoffs they are rolling right now

How many of the Crabs will join their buddies next year in 2026?
To all the crabs kids posting that stuff, pls stop and worry abt tonight. No one is scared to play us right now, sorry Michael.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would be scared to play that crabs squad in the playoffs they are rolling right now

Not sure how you say a team is "rolling" when they've lost two out of their last three games, beating only the hapless Looney's squad.

Sure, their two losses were by one and could have gone the other way, but the same could be said of their other three wins.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would be scared to play that crabs squad in the playoffs they are rolling right now

Not sure how you say a team is "rolling" when they've lost two out of their last three games, beating only the hapless Looney's squad.

Sure, their two losses were by one and could have gone the other way, but the same could be said of their other three wins.

No Crabs affiliation here but this is obviously a troll attempting to stir things up. Let’s not feed into this.
I'm going with DC Express tonight. No disrespect to the Crabs. Both teams are strong and it will be a good game. Express had a few bad weeks in a row and will come out swinging hard. If Express D can hold Crabs to 7 (certainly not a given) I think they will pull out the win.
predictions for hawks and NL game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would be scared to play that crabs squad in the playoffs they are rolling right now

How many of the Crabs will join their buddies next year in 2026?

Enough of that. Only around 40-50 % reclass. It is not that much. Many already did the prefirst/reclass/holdback route.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
predictions for hawks and NL game

Hawks in a romp.
score updates?
Well this didn’t age well 10-5 loss
Originally Posted by Anonymous
score updates?

Looks like DC Express won 10-5
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
score updates?

Looks like DC Express won 10-5

Our boys are ready for them!
Predictions for the ship
I got NL winning by 2. I think their goalie can keep them in it as well as their explosive offense
91 comes ready to play and wins by 8.
91 by eight goals - been consistent all year
for 91 it is going to be all mental
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I got NL winning by 2. I think their goalie can keep them in it as well as their explosive offense
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I got NL winning by 2. I think their goalie can keep them in it as well as their explosive offense

Are you talking about the reclass goalie who stops goals because he takes up most of the cage?
The rest of the kids will figure out the 91 face off kid Meyers in tourney season. He definitely has quick feet. But high school is where is counts and he is undersized even with the reclass—won’t help McDonough being from PA. The DCE kid #1 was the best local kid all season, is on age, and beat the 91 kid the majority forward with lots of fast breaks. He will help Bullis. The Hawks kid has quick hands and is also undersized, but has solid wings. Should drop back to 26 IMO. The rest of the kids have holes. MadLax and NL are quick but can’t battle after the clamp—should help Landon. Loonies and Crabs were not strong at the X. FCA was technical but lacks mental focus. He likely won’t be the kid at Calvert Hall. True kid has a good rake but has no stick skills. All figuring out the SNG.
Definitely a troll, but remember where Crabs came from. No affiliation with Crabs, but last time they were in HoCo they were in AAA and their 25s only just moved up to Elite after no HoCo last year. They make the play offs, and lost to DCE and NL by one, beating ML and FCA. Everyone lost to 91. So they really only had one bad lose to Hawks. Not a bad season all in all.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 comes ready to play and wins by 8.

the holdbacks delivered!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The rest of the kids will figure out the 91 face off kid Meyers in tourney season. He definitely has quick feet. But high school is where is counts and he is undersized even with the reclass—won’t help McDonough being from PA. The DCE kid #1 was the best local kid all season, is on age, and beat the 91 kid the majority forward with lots of fast breaks. He will help Bullis. The Hawks kid has quick hands and is also undersized, but has solid wings. Should drop back to 26 IMO. The rest of the kids have holes. MadLax and NL are quick but can’t battle after the clamp—should help Landon. Loonies and Crabs were not strong at the X. FCA was technical but lacks mental focus. He likely won’t be the kid at Calvert Hall. True kid has a good rake but has no stick skills. All figuring out the SNG.

Dude are you stoned? Myers ate that DCE kid for lunch. That kid couldn't make a pass (kept throwing it in the ground) and is barely athletic enough to run off the field after he loses the draw. Even the Crabs kid had an easy time with him.
Did 91 really get any better this season. All other teams improved throughout the season.
Congrats to the Team 91 2025 Champs. They went 8-0 on the season and 10-0 overall. They won by more than 7 goals in every game and showed what a great team that plays together - very unselfish group who love each other. This group is special and will be fun to watch this summer!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to the Team 91 2025 Champs. They went 8-0 on the season and 10-0 overall. They won by more than 7 goals in every game and showed what a great team that plays together - very unselfish group who love each other. This group is special and will be fun to watch this summer!!

Thanks MM !! Give it to the 9th grader !
Way to go Team 91! When all you haters are done sulking, tell your boys to GO HIT THE WALL!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAH!
The DCE kid hands down won majority against 91 first game—best face off game of the year. Playoff game was all Meyer. The Crabs put a pole on him after the third draw Friday— still won 80 plus—not sure what games you are watching. He did hobble off after many—injured. Solid 70 plus against all the other teams.
Do you call your son “DCE Kid #1” when you are at home or just when communicating electronically?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The DCE kid hands down won majority against 91 first game—best face off game of the year. Playoff game was all Meyer. The Crabs put a pole on him after the third draw Friday— still won 80 plus—not sure what games you are watching. He did hobble off after many—injured. Solid 70 plus against all the other teams.

Not a chance DCE kid won a majority. 91 was 9 of 14 vs him in the first game with a goal scored. Fact. #KeepDreaming
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 comes ready to play and wins by 8.

the holdbacks delivered!

Thanks Crabs dad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did 91 really get any better this season. All other teams improved throughout the season.

maybe if 91 had better competition...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The rest of the kids will figure out the 91 face off kid Meyers in tourney season. He definitely has quick feet. But high school is where is counts and he is undersized even with the reclass—won’t help McDonough being from PA. The DCE kid #1 was the best local kid all season, is on age, and beat the 91 kid the majority forward with lots of fast breaks. He will help Bullis. The Hawks kid has quick hands and is also undersized, but has solid wings. Should drop back to 26 IMO. The rest of the kids have holes. MadLax and NL are quick but can’t battle after the clamp—should help Landon. Loonies and Crabs were not strong at the X. FCA was technical but lacks mental focus. He likely won’t be the kid at Calvert Hall. True kid has a good rake but has no stick skills. All figuring out the SNG.

Hawks kid is already off-age - not sure if reclass or late start. Want him to drop back again? He wont be able to play as a senior that way. My goodness! Just bc he's small doesn't make him young. Go compete regardless of your size. I think he can do that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did 91 really get any better this season. All other teams improved throughout the season.

maybe if 91 had better competition...
☝🏻
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did 91 really get any better this season. All other teams improved throughout the season.

maybe if 91 had better competition...
☝🏻

Given the close game last summer with Annapolis Hawks 2025 and the wild change pretty clear it was roster changes. You can't think this is the same 25 from years on. Many of the true 25s never touch the field and are now going 26. Pay that money and watch!
size? TD is 5 ft 9" maybe and 175. Sowers, Gray? I don't get size argument college lacrosse smaller quick guys in my opinion dominate.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did 91 really get any better this season. All other teams improved throughout the season.

maybe if 91 had better competition...
☝🏻

Given the close game last summer with Annapolis Hawks 2025 and the wild change pretty clear it was roster changes. You can't think this is the same 25 from years on. Many of the true 25s never touch the field and are now going 26. Pay that money and watch!

I swear some of these elite coaches take players just so other teams don’t get them. Many do not see the field. Go to a team where your kid will play! You are not getting better riding a bench!!! Saying you play for Team91 or any top team isn’t going to help you if you do not see the field. Go play, contribute, and make a difference on another team! Play!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did 91 really get any better this season. All other teams improved throughout the season.

maybe if 91 had better competition...
☝🏻

Given the close game last summer with Annapolis Hawks 2025 and the wild change pretty clear it was roster changes. You can't think this is the same 25 from years on. Many of the true 25s never touch the field and are now going 26. Pay that money and watch!

Sorry your Hawks team didn't make it to the final Pops! #YaHateUsCauseYaAintUs
Not all of them are 9th graders - some liked 8th so much, they are doing it again next year. Watch how many follow MM's lead and have their boys repeat 8th grade. For those of you who lost to 91 2025 this year, you won't have to worry about facing some of their better players in HS until at least 2023.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not all of them are 9th graders - some liked 8th so much, they are doing it again next year. Watch how many follow MM's lead and have their boys repeat 8th grade. For those of you who lost to 91 2025 this year, you won't have to worry about facing some of their better players in HS until at least 2023.

That is the way to play high level lacrosse in Md. Sit back and enjoy the show
I do call him #1 at home—thanks.
HUDL doesn’t lie—they were even the whole game. The final tally from 16 draws without procedures was 7 wins for 91 and 6 wins for DCE. One of those was a dropped ball after winning outright.

We liked having Griff Meyer in the league this year. Made it more interesting and a better run up to high school. Got to see what going up against a Sophomore will be like next year—or is it a Junior?

So #1 will be hitting the weight room. Thanks for the motivation. #reclassy
LOL can someone please start a holdback thread so we don’t have to listen to this BS anymore? Also please check back in next year when your kid is in HS and playing against kids 3-4 years older than him. Oh wait that’s if he makes the squad. Like you said hit the weight room and maybe the Fresh/Soph field if he’s lucky
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not all of them are 9th graders - some liked 8th so much, they are doing it again next year. Watch how many follow MM's lead and have their boys repeat 8th grade. For those of you who lost to 91 2025 this year, you won't have to worry about facing some of their better players in HS until at least 2023.

You do know the 91 Team starts.....wait for it....a whopping 2 holdbacks. The FOGO and an attackman, so I would argue there are plenty of other squads who roll with more 'hold backs' than that!? Especially the team they trounced in the championship. Stop hating and sorry your son has not grown.....
Originally Posted by BOTCUser34
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not all of them are 9th graders - some liked 8th so much, they are doing it again next year. Watch how many follow MM's lead and have their boys repeat 8th grade. For those of you who lost to 91 2025 this year, you won't have to worry about facing some of their better players in HS until at least 2023.

You do know the 91 Team starts.....wait for it....a whopping 2 holdbacks. The FOGO and an attackman, so I would argue there are plenty of other squads who roll with more 'hold backs' than that!? Especially the team they trounced in the championship. Stop hating and sorry your son has not grown.....

And the Fogo is 5 foot nothing and most of the guys on here complain about holdbacks because they have hit puberty and tower over the other boys. Like the previous poster said there are 2. 91 runs out and competes against teams with many more than that and beats them repeatedly - NL and HHH just to name a few. We welcome playing older kids just makes the team better anyway.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HUDL doesn’t lie—they were even the whole game. The final tally from 16 draws without procedures was 7 wins for 91 and 6 wins for DCE. One of those was a dropped ball after winning outright.

We liked having Griff Meyer in the league this year. Made it more interesting and a better run up to high school. Got to see what going up against a Sophomore will be like next year—or is it a Junior?

So #1 will be hitting the weight room. Thanks for the motivation. #reclassy

HUDL doesn't lie, so maybe you need to brush up on stat keeping guidelines?

FO 1 - 91
FO 2 - DCE
FO 3 - 91 -> Goal
FO 4 - DCE
FO 5 - 91
FO 6 - 91 -> DCE FOV
FO 7 - 91
FO 8 - 91 - > DCE FOV
FO 9 - 91
FO 10 - DCE -> 91 FOV
FO 11 - DCE
FO 12 - DCE
FO 13 - DCE
FO 14 - 91
FO 15 - 91

So clearly they were not even the whole game. 91 had won 7 of the first 9 FO's. Thanks for trying tho.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HUDL doesn’t lie—they were even the whole game. The final tally from 16 draws without procedures was 7 wins for 91 and 6 wins for DCE. One of those was a dropped ball after winning outright.

We liked having Griff Meyer in the league this year. Made it more interesting and a better run up to high school. Got to see what going up against a Sophomore will be like next year—or is it a Junior?

So #1 will be hitting the weight room. Thanks for the motivation. #reclassy

HUDL doesn't lie, so maybe you need to brush up on stat keeping guidelines?

FO 1 - 91
FO 2 - DCE
FO 3 - 91 -> Goal
FO 4 - DCE
FO 5 - 91
FO 6 - 91 -> DCE FOV
FO 7 - 91
FO 8 - 91 - > DCE FOV
FO 9 - 91
FO 10 - DCE -> 91 FOV
FO 11 - DCE
FO 12 - DCE
FO 13 - DCE
FO 14 - 91
FO 15 - 91

So clearly they were not even the whole game. 91 had won 7 of the first 9 FO's. Thanks for trying tho.

Not to mention DCE #1 was totally outplayed and got dominated in the playoffs only winning 2 of 17 against the 91 kid. Guess he should learn some counters after getting beat in the first match up and not even competitive in the playoffs in addition to hitting the weight room. Maybe more practice would help? Just trying to help, Jeff.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by BOTCUser34
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not all of them are 9th graders - some liked 8th so much, they are doing it again next year. Watch how many follow MM's lead and have their boys repeat 8th grade. For those of you who lost to 91 2025 this year, you won't have to worry about facing some of their better players in HS until at least 2023.

You do know the 91 Team starts.....wait for it....a whopping 2 holdbacks. The FOGO and an attackman, so I would argue there are plenty of other squads who roll with more 'hold backs' than that!? Especially the team they trounced in the championship. Stop hating and sorry your son has not grown.....

And the Fogo is 5 foot nothing and most of the guys on here complain about holdbacks because they have hit puberty and tower over the other boys. Like the previous poster said there are 2. 91 runs out and competes against teams with many more than that and beats them repeatedly - NL and HHH just to name a few. We welcome playing older kids just makes the team better anyway.

Older does not necessarily correlate to better. The sooner some of these parents learn that the sooner we can move on from this my-team-cant-compete-because-holdbacks nonsense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by BOTCUser34
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not all of them are 9th graders - some liked 8th so much, they are doing it again next year. Watch how many follow MM's lead and have their boys repeat 8th grade. For those of you who lost to 91 2025 this year, you won't have to worry about facing some of their better players in HS until at least 2023.

You do know the 91 Team starts.....wait for it....a whopping 2 holdbacks. The FOGO and an attackman, so I would argue there are plenty of other squads who roll with more 'hold backs' than that!? Especially the team they trounced in the championship. Stop hating and sorry your son has not grown.....

And the Fogo is 5 foot nothing and most of the guys on here complain about holdbacks because they have hit puberty and tower over the other boys. Like the previous poster said there are 2. 91 runs out and competes against teams with many more than that and beats them repeatedly - NL and HHH just to name a few. We welcome playing older kids just makes the team better anyway.

Older does not necessarily correlate to better. The sooner some of these parents learn that the sooner we can move on from this my-team-cant-compete-because-holdbacks nonsense.

Not nonsense at all. You holdback apologists constantly talk about how it isnt an advantage,

holdback/prefirst/reclass WORKS !! Every MIAA coach has held his son back that has played. If you are born Sept-Dec, chances are you dont need to be heldback, but even then, I know of a coach that held his son back born then. Most of chatter from on age players parents is from Sept-DEC birthday players. The rest ( especially summer birthdays) know the drill, do a prefirst or hold them back later.

Duke used to put birthdays on its rooster, I went thru it once. Only 4 players on team were on age for that college year that were born after March . The majority were a year older ( heldback) or born between Sept-DEC .

Sorry people, Holding back works, turns average to good players one year in youth, to very good players after holding back.
More playing time, coaching, etc.

This thing about holding back not working is pure delusional. It does.
"This thing about holding back not working is pure delusional. It does."

Turns out, it's just immoral.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"This thing about holding back not working is pure delusional. It does."

Turns out, it's just immoral.

Wait....what? What does morality have to do with your kid repeating the 8th grade? In hockey they have something called 'juniors" where kids go to play often for a couple of years prior to playing in colleges. Is that immoral? What about a PG year? You can disagree, but I think it's a parents' or kids choice. I'm not sure why it even affects anybody else. Some kids go through puberty and are almost full men at 13 while others haven't even started by age 15..they still play on the same team...and that's fair. Look at any middle school class, regardless of athletes, and these boys all look so different. It will even out soon and thankfully these colleges aren't still recruiting in the 8th grade. Morality has nothing to do with reclassing.
Wait....what? What does morality have to do with your kid repeating the 8th grade? In hockey they have something called 'juniors" where kids go to play often for a couple of years prior to playing in colleges. Is that immoral? What about a PG year? You can disagree, but I think it's a parents' or kids choice. I'm not sure why it even affects anybody else. Some kids go through puberty and are almost full men at 13 while others haven't even started by age 15..they still play on the same team...and that's fair. Look at any middle school class, regardless of athletes, and these boys all look so different. It will even out soon and thankfully these colleges aren't still recruiting in the 8th grade. Morality has nothing to do with reclassing.


Turns out, it's just immoral.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait....what? What does morality have to do with your kid repeating the 8th grade? In hockey they have something called 'juniors" where kids go to play often for a couple of years prior to playing in colleges. Is that immoral? What about a PG year? You can disagree, but I think it's a parents' or kids choice. I'm not sure why it even affects anybody else. Some kids go through puberty and are almost full men at 13 while others haven't even started by age 15..they still play on the same team...and that's fair. Look at any middle school class, regardless of athletes, and these boys all look so different. It will even out soon and thankfully these colleges aren't still recruiting in the 8th grade. Morality has nothing to do with reclassing.


Turns out, it's just immoral.


Parents...... Your boys are going into 9th grade....HS. If you are still worried about the kid that is 1 year older than yours, how do you expect Johnny to make Varsity? You need to forget the holdback conversation, take Johnny to the gym and start getting him stronger, its a secret but at HS tryout the boys will be 4-5 years older than him. The time for excuses are over, if he is good he may make JV, if not he can play freshman, or you can hold him back a year to help him get stronger and better.

PS .... No college coach ever asked " how old is he", they just ask " what grade is he in"
Parents...... Your boys are going into 9th grade....HS. If you are still worried about the kid that is 1 year older than yours, how do you expect Johnny to make Varsity? You need to forget the holdback conversation, take Johnny to the gym and start getting him stronger, its a secret but at HS tryout the boys will be 4-5 years older than him. The time for excuses are over, if he is good he may make JV, if not he can play freshman, or you can hold him back a year to help him get stronger and better.

PS .... No college coach ever asked " how old is he", they just ask " what grade is he in"


Amazing..... Johnny doesn't need to make Varsity when he is 9th grade, and even if he does, he probably won't play that much. If he is in any kind of a competitive lacrosse school, there will be lots of talent older than him. Wait your turn until sophomore, junior, or even the senior year based on how the cards fall. If I'm not mistaken there was this guy named Pat Spencer who didn't see significant playing time at Boys Latin until later in his high school career because the program was loaded with talent ahead of him. Things managed to turn out okay for him. Be patient, enjoy the ride, don't worry about keeping up with the Jones'. Life is waaaaay too short. It's just lacrosse.
In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".
I’ve seen a few freshman playing public school Varsity. I’ve even seen a kid who only played lacrosse one year play Varsity. Private schools are definitely poaching the talent.
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In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then.
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In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then.

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?
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In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then.

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?

I thought the benefit of holdbacks was chiefly in connection with early recruiting. If recruiting occurs in 9th or 10th grade, then holding back is a big advantage. If recruiting occurs in 11th or 12th grade, then most kids will have caught up. Now there is no more early recruiting, is the incentive to holdback still there?
New US Club lacrosse rankings have been released for those interested in checking them out.

https://www.USCL.com/rank?v=1025&alpha=N&y=2020
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New US Club lacrosse rankings have been released for those interested in checking them out.

https://www.USCL.com/rank?v=1025&alpha=N&y=2020

Rankings based on what playing?
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New US Club lacrosse rankings have been released for those interested in checking them out.

https://www.USCL.com/rank?v=1025&alpha=N&y=2020

Rankings based on what playing?

Click on the team name in the rankings and you will see what games they are basing the ranking on. Basically all games since the start of last fall.
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In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then.

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?

Bragging Rights and an elite team to play on.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then.

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?

Bragging Rights and an elite team to play on.

I guess if you play for Salisbury you don't get to brag about your numerous championships because you're D3 and thus not "elite"?

Or if you go to MIT, you gotta feel bad because your team is D3 and has never won a championship so no elite bragging for you. If only you went to mighty Syracuse instead of dogsh*t MIT!
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In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then.

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?

Bragging Rights and an elite team to play on.

I guess if you play for Salisbury you don't get to brag about your numerous championships because you're D3 and thus not "elite"?

Or if you go to MIT, you gotta feel bad because your team is D3 and has never won a championship so no elite bragging for you. If only you went to mighty Syracuse instead of dogsh*t MIT!

Correct, D3 Seriously ?? MIT over Cruse , come on.
Pretty much everything below 40 isn't really "elite" and will get beaten by the top D3s.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi
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Pretty much everything below 40 isn't really "elite" and will get beaten by the top D3s.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

The couple of Top D3 teams will give the last few 10-15 D1 and run for their money and may even possibly win, but the rest and top 40 crush any D3 team. Not even close.
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In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?

Bragging Rights and an elite team to play on.

I guess if you play for Salisbury you don't get to brag about your numerous championships because you're D3 and thus not "elite"?

Or if you go to MIT, you gotta feel bad because your team is D3 and has never won a championship so no elite bragging for you. If only you went to mighty Syracuse instead of dogsh*t MIT!

Obvious you have your son shooting for D3, not that there is anything wrong with it as Seinfeld said.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?

Bragging Rights and an elite team to play on.

I guess if you play for Salisbury you don't get to brag about your numerous championships because you're D3 and thus not "elite"?

Or if you go to MIT, you gotta feel bad because your team is D3 and has never won a championship so no elite bragging for you. If only you went to mighty Syracuse instead of dogsh*t MIT!

Obvious you have your son shooting for D3, not that there is anything wrong with it as Seinfeld said.

Uh his kid is in 8th grade. If you think you know your 8th grade kid is going to play D1, you’re deluded.
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In northern VA, I have seen public high school freshmen playing varsity. They are good for their age but they really have no business playing varsity. Don't even ask me why they are on the varsity team - perhaps just not enough talent to go around in the public schools. Not sure how it would hurt them to spend a year or two on the JV team.

Apparently there are people who are willing and able to pay $30k - $40k to have their kid repeat 8th grade at a private school. Great for them, I guess. Seems kinda crazy to me tbh.

My own 8th grade son, when I told him there were kids repeating 8th grade, said "heck no, I want to get done with school as soon as possible".

D1 may not be in his future then

So the question becomes: What does (attempting to) play D1 get your son?

Bragging Rights and an elite team to play on.

I guess if you play for Salisbury you don't get to brag about your numerous championships because you're D3 and thus not "elite"?

Or if you go to MIT, you gotta feel bad because your team is D3 and has never won a championship so no elite bragging for you. If only you went to mighty Syracuse instead of dogsh*t MIT!

Obvious you have your son shooting for D3, not that there is anything wrong with it as Seinfeld said.

Uh his kid is in 8th grade. If you think you know your 8th grade kid is going to play D1, you’re deluded.

Age wise probably a 9th grader and already has shown what athletic talent he has and size he will be for the most part , D1 is not for all. He knows by now.
Anyone play at Trilogy this past weekend? Curious why Cannons didn't advance at 3-0 in pool play. Their choice or tournament choice?
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Anyone play at Trilogy this past weekend? Curious why Cannons didn't advance at 3-0 in pool play. Their choice or tournament choice?

Probably running from the competition.
Check Tourney Machine. Cannon Blue went 1-2 (Carolina Pool B/A) but Gold went 3-0 (Black Pool AA/AAA) but looks like must have come up short on the tie breaker for the playoff pool.
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Check Tourney Machine. Cannon Blue went 1-2 (Carolina Pool B/A) but Gold went 3-0 (Black Pool AA/AAA) but looks like must have come up short on the tie breaker for the playoff pool.

They went 3-0, but TEAM advanced after going 2-1 and a loss to Cannons. Cannons listed 3rd in standings behind TEAM and PLC (1-2)
They were scheduled to play Jersey Express in semifinals. Trilogy had to move TEAM Lacrosse in to take their spot.
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They were scheduled to play Jersey Express in semifinals. Trilogy had to move TEAM Lacrosse in to take their spot.

Any idea why?
So now that we are into the summer season, where is the top '25 talent taking their skills next year? Or better yet, what DC or Baltimore private schools have the best recruiting classes?
Got caught cheating on the roster again. 3rd time for this coach in 3 years he got caught. Cannons have a cloud of shame over them.
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Got caught cheating on the roster again. 3rd time for this coach in 3 years he got caught. Cannons have a cloud of shame over them.

What's the context please? A tournament issue or hoco?
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Got caught cheating on the roster again. 3rd time for this coach in 3 years he got caught. Cannons have a cloud of shame over them.

What's the context please? A tournament issue or hoco?

See previous posts about why a 3-0 Cannons team got left out of the playoff bracket at Trilogy Turning Point.
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Got caught cheating on the roster again. 3rd time for this coach in 3 years he got caught. Cannons have a cloud of shame over them.

What's the context please? A tournament issue or hoco?

See previous posts about why a 3-0 Cannons team got left out of the playoff bracket at Trilogy Turning Point.

I see those, but there was no mention about cheating.
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So now that we are into the summer season, where is the top '25 talent taking their skills next year? Or better yet, what DC or Baltimore private schools have the best recruiting classes?

Team 91 Fire best team by far and will get better this summer. Not even close!
True Baltimore is the best in MD. Everyone else are just pretenders. #wetrainmore
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So now that we are into the summer season, where is the top '25 talent taking their skills next year? Or better yet, what DC or Baltimore private schools have the best recruiting classes?

Not Spaulding.
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So now that we are into the summer season, where is the top '25 talent taking their skills next year? Or better yet, what DC or Baltimore private schools have the best recruiting classes?

Not Spaulding.

Again….Spalding, NOT Spaulding. It’s not that hard people!
McDonogh has very strong if not top 25 class coming in but will be a couple years to see how impactful the freshman anywhere will be.
I might be biased, but I think there’s a lot of great athletes entering high school. 2025 has been a strong year and it will be fun to watch them over the next few years.
Somebody’s salty their kid stinks! Now your insulting a child lmao.
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So now that we are into the summer season, where is the top '25 talent taking their skills next year? Or better yet, what DC or Baltimore private schools have the best recruiting classes?
Along those lines, anyone have any idea what is going to happen to the 25 FCA and 25 Crabs teams? Both seem like they are ready to lose their handful of quality players given their recent performance.
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So now that we are into the summer season, where is the top '25 talent taking their skills next year? Or better yet, what DC or Baltimore private schools have the best recruiting classes?
Along those lines, anyone have any idea what is going to happen to the 25 FCA and 25 Crabs teams? Both seem like they are ready to lose their handful of quality players given their recent performance.
The rest of the 25 Crabs will just reclass like half the team did last summer...fold the 25s and build up one heck of a 26 squad! Maybe they'll even be good enough to get out of pool play at NAL next year.
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So now that we are into the summer season, where is the top '25 talent taking their skills next year? Or better yet, what DC or Baltimore private schools have the best recruiting classes?
Along those lines, anyone have any idea what is going to happen to the 25 FCA and 25 Crabs teams? Both seem like they are ready to lose their handful of quality players given their recent performance.
The rest of the 25 Crabs will just reclass like half the team did last summer...fold the 25s and build up one heck of a 26 squad! Maybe they'll even be good enough to get out of pool play at NAL next year.

Not sure why you find that unusual in MD/DC/NoVa area for many players ( especially at private schools ). It has been like that for last 5-6 years and gets more players doing it each year. I wouldnt be surprised that in 5 years the majority of players actually playing/starting in MIAA/IAC will be overage for their grade.

Face of modern lacrosse. All sports have holdbacks/prefirst/reclass, but lacrosse has a crazy higher percentage than all other team sports. While soccer with the most participants in world has the least overage players at youth with their age restrictions.
Soccer's age-based rules should be the norm not the exception, especially since lax is even less of a non-revenue generator for school than soccer. And while the holdback issue isn't as much of a deal for the girls, the transgender thing will absolutely destroy the girls' programs if US Lacrosse doesn't step in and put a stop to all this nonsense instead of waiting for the bad actors to find those loop holes too.
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Soccer's age-based rules should be the norm not the exception, especially since lax is even less of a non-revenue generator for school than soccer. And while the holdback issue isn't as much of a deal for the girls, the transgender thing will absolutely destroy the girls' programs if US Lacrosse doesn't step in and put a stop to all this nonsense instead of waiting for the bad actors to find those loop holes too.

Do you realize how few transgender kids there are that want to compete at high level HS and college sports? They will destroy the girls programs? No shot righty.
Lax needs to go to birth year.
Period.
The grade-based system is idiotic.
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Lax needs to go to birth year.
Period.
The grade-based system is idiotic.

They tried not working out....the funny part is people will say it all even's out in HS. Yet kids get recruited off the club teams....look at the 2024 MVP from the National AS event this weekend, he looks 18
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Lax needs to go to birth year.
Period.
The grade-based system is idiotic.

They tried not working out....the funny part is people will say it all even's out in HS. Yet kids get recruited off the club teams....look at the 2024 MVP from the National AS event this weekend, he looks 18

Holding back works time and time again. It isnt used by majority of players, but players wanting D1 it is norm in private school to be a overage player playing down.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lax needs to go to birth year.
Period.
The grade-based system is idiotic.

They tried not working out....the funny part is people will say it all even's out in HS. Yet kids get recruited off the club teams....look at the 2024 MVP from the National AS event this weekend, he looks 18

Holding back works time and time again. It isnt used by majority of players, but players wanting D1 it is norm in private school to be a overage player playing down.

You have to get over the holdback situation - sorry but when you get to HS and College she doesn’t matter. Our kids routinely play and beat teams with holdbacks and often play kids an age up. Just get used to it and in the end best the team - it’s as easy as that.
What clubs offer 25 teams and when are tryouts?
They will be picking two starters from the yellow helmet team for next year.
Some of the clubs in MD have already finished tryouts. But others are still open. All of these offer 25 club teams, as far as I'm aware:

Bethesda (DC Express) https://www.bethesdalacrosse.org/boys-tryouts
Blue Claws: http://www.blueclawslax.leag1.com/
Cannons: http://www.cannonsselect.com/
Crabs: https://crabslax.com/ContentGeneral.aspx?ContentKey=TryoutsCrabs
FCA: https://fcamdlax.org/boys/about/tryouts/
Hawks: https://www.annapolishawks.com/tryouts
Koopers: https://www.kooperslacrosse.com/
Next Level: https://nextlevelspartans.com/
Preds: https://predatorslacrosse.com/maryland/
Rock: https://www.rocklacrosse.net/page/show/3739945-rock-high-school-program
Rockfish: https://www.rockfishlax.com/tryouts/
Saltwater: https://saltwaterlax.com/upcoming-events/boys-tryouts-open-now/
Team 91: https://maryland.team91lacrosse.com/tryouts/
Team Lacrosse: http://www.teamlacrosseclub.com/events/2436567-2021-22-fall---summer-tryouts
Zingos: https://www.zingoslacrosse.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1347030
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What clubs offer 25 teams and when are tryouts?

True DC (formerly East Side Lacrosse): http://truelacrossemd.leagueapps.com/events/2439165-dc-boys-2021-2022-travel-team-tryouts
Green Turtle https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScjK4dKACQ6Q3xZCaUZHjh6INCUvVBAE5Gtx8WdG3TkXiGmZg/viewform
Any feedback on the FCA coach Kacy Kapinos who's moving to the 27s? He seems very reasonable. Wasn't sure how well he gets kids to develop. thanks!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lax needs to go to birth year.
Period.
The grade-based system is idiotic.

They tried not working out....the funny part is people will say it all even's out in HS. Yet kids get recruited off the club teams....look at the 2024 MVP from the National AS event this weekend, he looks 18

Holding back works time and time again. It isnt used by majority of players, but players wanting D1 it is norm in private school to be a overage player playing down.

You have to get over the holdback situation - sorry but when you get to HS and College she doesn’t matter. Our kids routinely play and beat teams with holdbacks and often play kids an age up. Just get used to it and in the end best the team - it’s as easy as that.

It does matter.. and it works great. Duke used to publish the birthdays of their players. When I was deciding to hold my child back, I went thru Dukes roster. Not ONE player was on age and born after Feb of that year. Pretty amazing stuff. Most on age are born within the first few months of the school year. So of course there are many on age players, just about None that are starting on any top Club, MIAA school born after January of their age for grade.

Now does that mean all holdbacks are starters, of course not. But the stats are what they are.
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Any feedback on the FCA coach Kacy Kapinos who's moving to the 27s? He seems very reasonable. Wasn't sure how well he gets kids to develop. thanks!

He does seem reasonable. Bt not sure if he really has a record of developing kids, because he's still so young.
The biggest question is what else he is coaching? Just FCA 27 or will he be splitting his time with other clubs/hs teams?
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Any feedback on the FCA coach Kacy Kapinos who's moving to the 27s? He seems very reasonable. Wasn't sure how well he gets kids to develop. thanks!

He does seem reasonable. Bt not sure if he really has a record of developing kids, because he's still so young.
The biggest question is what else he is coaching? Just FCA 27 or will he be splitting his time with other clubs/hs teams?

Still coaching with 25’s, retaining his position at Loyola in addition to his career. Good luck.
Other clubs in the area
PLC- no goalie, players leaving, head coach got fired, and now no head coach
Sidewinders-no coach, no goalie and players leaving
ALC- no goalie, coach is a dad and good luck the only thing that matters on that team is his son
Prostart- STM boys make up most of the team, no coach announced
Mooselax- New program have no idea what they are offering, or who is coaching
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Other clubs in the area
PLC- no goalie, players leaving, head coach got fired, and now no head coach
Sidewinders-no coach, no goalie and players leaving
ALC- no goalie, coach is a dad and good luck the only thing that matters on that team is his son
Prostart- STM boys make up most of the team, no coach announced
Mooselax- New program have no idea what they are offering, or who is coaching

What a list of Clubs. A few elite year in year out a few right under year in year out and the rest are all over the place..No matter what, there is a place to play
Ripley taking over the 25 hawks. Be ready for lots of guess players just like the 22’s
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Ripley taking over the 25 hawks. Be ready for lots of guess players just like the 22’s
Only one coach dad survived, not the best choice for a dad coach but his input will be crucial in keeping the team together. It will be interesting to see who they cut, what the goalie situation will be, who they add and so on. I’m guessing not a lot of change and maybe 2-3 knew boys for the Green team.
This is the new Spalding feeder team. Any other kid that is not a Spalding punk better run away.

The one dad coach left is the king of daddy ball.

Funny how Ripley owns Hogan, Cottle, etc.
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This is the new Spalding feeder team. Any other kid that is not a Spalding punk better run away.

The one dad coach left is the king of daddy ball.

Funny how Ripley owns Hogan, Cottle, etc.
Don’t forget King of daddy ball coach and his friends kids on the team. Influenced by politics and impressing the friend crowd. Same kids play while others sitting on the bench are better players.
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This is the new Spalding feeder team. Any other kid that is not a Spalding punk better run away.

The one dad coach left is the king of daddy ball.

Funny how Ripley owns Hogan, Cottle, etc.

Someone is bitter his son did not make Spalding's Varsity. Why blame Spalding, look inward, Maybe your son just wasnt good enough. Knitting or Baseball might be an option.
Gotta laugh at all the detest for Spalding and Lidz.
All these people posting about Spalding's superiority isn't coming from REAL Spalding people. It's just haters.
The old guard is irate Spalding crashed their party and figured out you just need to spend money to have a good team.
Mcd has been doing it for the past 30 years. How do you think they transformed themselves from a po-dunk farming school?
Here's hoping Severn, JC and MSJ decide to spend money too. Heads will explode.
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Gotta laugh at all the detest for Spalding and Lidz.
All these people posting about Spalding's superiority isn't coming from REAL Spalding people. It's just haters.
The old guard is irate Spalding crashed their party and figured out you just need to spend money to have a good team.
Mcd has been doing it for the past 30 years. How do you think they transformed themselves from a po-dunk farming school?
Here's hoping Severn, JC and MSJ decide to spend money too. Heads will explode.

Agreed. McD has approx 75 boys/grade in high school. If they did not seriously recruit and scholarship kids they would go back to having average lax teams like they did 20-30 years ago. Their big donor keeps them on the map. Of course, something always suffers, look at their baseball team recently... With the number of boys that play the sport around here there is plenty of pie to go around. MIAA and the student athletes are better off when all schools have a chance to compete. How about ALL schools entering ALL their sports teams in the same MIAA division and not picking and choosing based on the sport and how good/bad they are.... There are a handful of schools that practice this.
Why would you want one league for the whole school? There are too many sports for that to work.
Outside of CH and McD, pretty much every other MIAA school would have major issues with this. CH has the huge enrollment to boost its success and MCD has the recruiting angle. All other schools flow pretty freely, depending on the sport and year.
I think allowing programs to move every 2 years is good for parity. If a school knows they have a strong or weak class coming, they can move accordingly. I think that's a good thing.
Well into tryouts for all the area clubs now. Some are over and invites have gone out.

Which teams are getting better? Heard the Crabs team had a lot of defections? Is this true? Why? Hawks a lot of turnover? What about the closer to DC teams? Next Level, MadLax?

Anyone want to take a shot at ranking the teams at this point?
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Well into tryouts for all the area clubs now. Some are over and invites have gone out.

Which teams are getting better? Heard the Crabs team had a lot of defections? Is this true? Why? Hawks a lot of turnover? What about the closer to DC teams? Next Level, MadLax?

Anyone want to take a shot at ranking the teams at this point?

Crabs 2025 had 17-18 kids get cut or leave. King Crab cut starters and plans to bring kids in from out if state. Right now team has 12-13 kids on the roster.
That was done to make room for the BL boarders and hurt competing schools by cutting their players but keeping BL players. The boarding school is 100% about getting more out-of-state and Canadian athletes in, that’s why it’ll be the only 7 day boarding school in the area.
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That was done to make room for the BL boarders and hurt competing schools by cutting their players but keeping BL players. The boarding school is 100% about getting more out-of-state and Canadian athletes in, that’s why it’ll be the only 7 day boarding school in the area.

So I guess it wants to be like some of the schools in Connecticut, like a Taft?
Another uninformed post by someone who wants to pretend to know what’s going on at a school that they have nothing to do with. BL, like Calvert School ( not CH) who have a strong international educational program. The dorms will give those students a chance to come to the states to continue their education in person. Of course there will be some lacrosse, football, soccer, basketball as well as all other sports will have access to the dorms. If I’m not mistaken one of the first two boarders is a violinist who will attend BL but will also be able to attend the Peabody Institute. Every private school continues to try to create something that separates them from the academics offerings of the other schools. A school like Gilman judges their success on the scores their students get on the SATs and list list of schools their graduates chose to attend not about the success of their athletic teams.... remember they blew up their football program which was top 5 in the country at the time because it didn’t fit their academic mission.
This is the densest post I’ve ever read on this board. You can’t pick what level you want to play in each year so you can have a winning record . A school like St P would be moving up and down every year because they can’t be consistent winners in any sport. The last 5-6 years they would have been better playing in the C conference playing teams like Friends and Curley.
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That was done to make room for the BL boarders and hurt competing schools by cutting their players but keeping BL players. The boarding school is 100% about getting more out-of-state and Canadian athletes in, that’s why it’ll be the only 7 day boarding school in the area.

Well the dorm is referred to as "The International Boarding School"... Look for Canadian box players to be the only International students. It will be mainly lax players from emerging USA areas like Fla, TX, CA, Midwest etc... A lot more collusion than normal going on with Crabs/BL commuters/BL boarders. King Crab is on the board of trustees and is on the front line of this operation, you can be sure of that. Decision making will benefit Crabs and the boarding school 1st. Admissions director also a paid member of crabs for certain summertime events. To avoid all this distraction and conflict of interest just have your son tryout/play for other teams in the area-there are plenty of good ones to choose from and more pop up all the time.
Do you not realize that Hilgy is also with Crabs and so was the Gilman coach until this upcoming year where he will probably jump to 91.
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Do you not realize that Hilgy is also with Crabs and so was the Gilman coach until this upcoming year where he will probably jump to 91.

Hilgy gone from Crabs. Gilman coach still with 2024 Crabs for 2021-2022 season.
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This is the densest post I’ve ever read on this board. You can’t pick what level you want to play in each year so you can have a winning record . A school like St P would be moving up and down every year because they can’t be consistent winners in any sport. The last 5-6 years they would have been better playing in the C conference playing teams like Friends and Curley.

No it is called pick a level that you think you can consistently compete in. I am not saying pick a level based on sport. I am saying pick a level and stay with it. Calvert Hall, McD, MSJ, Spalding consistently play A sports whether they have solid teams or not. Other schools want to cherry pick level based on the sport. For example, BL plays A level in lax & basketball and B in many other sports. Be fair to all your sports and pick a level for all. These four teams I just mentioned go through lean years at times, but they tough it out.
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This is the densest post I’ve ever read on this board. You can’t pick what level you want to play in each year so you can have a winning record . A school like St P would be moving up and down every year because they can’t be consistent winners in any sport. The last 5-6 years they would have been better playing in the C conference playing teams like Friends and Curley.

No it is called pick a level that you think you can consistently compete in. I am not saying pick a level based on sport. I am saying pick a level and stay with it. Calvert Hall, McD, MSJ, Spalding consistently play A sports whether they have solid teams or not. Other schools want to cherry pick level based on the sport. For example, BL plays A level in lax & basketball and B in many other sports. Be fair to all your sports and pick a level for all. These four teams I just mentioned go through lean years at times, but they tough it out.

Hot take: St Paul’s should really be B Conference in everything.
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This is the densest post I’ve ever read on this board. You can’t pick what level you want to play in each year so you can have a winning record . A school like St P would be moving up and down every year because they can’t be consistent winners in any sport. The last 5-6 years they would have been better playing in the C conference playing teams like Friends and Curley.

No it is called pick a level that you think you can consistently compete in. I am not saying pick a level based on sport. I am saying pick a level and stay with it. Calvert Hall, McD, MSJ, Spalding consistently play A sports whether they have solid teams or not. Other schools want to cherry pick level based on the sport. For example, BL plays A level in lax & basketball and B in many other sports. Be fair to all your sports and pick a level for all. These four teams I just mentioned go through lean years at times, but they tough it out.

BL doesn’t have enough students to play A football.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the densest post I’ve ever read on this board. You can’t pick what level you want to play in each year so you can have a winning record . A school like St P would be moving up and down every year because they can’t be consistent winners in any sport. The last 5-6 years they would have been better playing in the C conference playing teams like Friends and Curley.

No it is called pick a level that you think you can consistently compete in. I am not saying pick a level based on sport. I am saying pick a level and stay with it. Calvert Hall, McD, MSJ, Spalding consistently play A sports whether they have solid teams or not. Other schools want to cherry pick level based on the sport. For example, BL plays A level in lax & basketball and B in many other sports. Be fair to all your sports and pick a level for all. These four teams I just mentioned go through lean years at times, but they tough it out.

Hot take: St Paul’s should really be B Conference in everything.

Hotter take:Yes
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the densest post I’ve ever read on this board. You can’t pick what level you want to play in each year so you can have a winning record . A school like St P would be moving up and down every year because they can’t be consistent winners in any sport. The last 5-6 years they would have been better playing in the C conference playing teams like Friends and Curley.

No it is called pick a level that you think you can consistently compete in. I am not saying pick a level based on sport. I am saying pick a level and stay with it. Calvert Hall, McD, MSJ, Spalding consistently play A sports whether they have solid teams or not. Other schools want to cherry pick level based on the sport. For example, BL plays A level in lax & basketball and B in many other sports. Be fair to all your sports and pick a level for all. These four teams I just mentioned go through lean years at times, but they tough it out.

Hot take: St Paul’s should really be B Conference in everything.

Hotter take:Yes

Molten Hot Lava: They are a B program, waiting to switch.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the densest post I’ve ever read on this board. You can’t pick what level you want to play in each year so you can have a winning record . A school like St P would be moving up and down every year because they can’t be consistent winners in any sport. The last 5-6 years they would have been better playing in the C conference playing teams like Friends and Curley.

No it is called pick a level that you think you can consistently compete in. I am not saying pick a level based on sport. I am saying pick a level and stay with it. Calvert Hall, McD, MSJ, Spalding consistently play A sports whether they have solid teams or not. Other schools want to cherry pick level based on the sport. For example, BL plays A level in lax & basketball and B in many other sports. Be fair to all your sports and pick a level for all. These four teams I just mentioned go through lean years at times, but they tough it out.

Hot take: St Paul’s should really be B Conference in everything.

Hotter take:Yes

Molten Hot Lava: They are a B program, waiting to switch.


St Pauls will be back to its glory years og long ago with the new club Predators. Predators are talk of the town and should put St Pauls back to top of MIAA within 2-4 years
Predators can’t produce any worse kids for ST Paul’s than rock and Koopers!! Lol
So Crabs lost their McD ties and their UMD ties after the 2025 tryouts? What is KC thinking?
Is this typically what happens to rising freshman in the Bmore?
Crabs is molting, Looneys is losing kids, Breakers is broken, Rock is crumbling. Team 91 not changing team. Koopers, Green Turtle, FCA picking up some scraps and there is a new Predator in town with some of the coaches that have jumped ship from the aforementioned teams.
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Predators can’t produce any worse kids for ST Paul’s than rock and Koopers!! Lol

Heard Predators are loaded at several age groups. Might want to look into whats happening there
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this typically what happens to rising freshman in the Bmore?
Crabs is molting, Looneys is losing kids, Breakers is broken, Rock is crumbling. Team 91 not changing team. Koopers, Green Turtle, FCA picking up some scraps and there is a new Predator in town with some of the coaches that have jumped ship from the aforementioned teams.

To answer your question....YES !! and of course hold their son back as much as they can,
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this typically what happens to rising freshman in the Bmore?
Crabs is molting, Looneys is losing kids, Breakers is broken, Rock is crumbling. Team 91 not changing team. Koopers, Green Turtle, FCA picking up some scraps and there is a new Predator in town with some of the coaches that have jumped ship from the aforementioned teams.

To answer your question....YES !! and of course hold their son back as much as they can,

If Hold m Back Mac @ Crabs has any influence on your son he will be a holdback. He needs any angle he can get to stay ahead for recruiting purposes, including boarders @ BL.
Hawks just got bought by company consolidating youth sports.
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Hawks just got bought by company consolidating youth sports.

That is big news.. Is it Lids Company
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks just got bought by company consolidating youth sports.

That is big news.. Is it Lids Company

No
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks just got bought by company consolidating youth sports.

That is big news.. Is it Lids Company
They have partnered with 3 Step out of Boston. Sounds like nothing will change.
Things will change because it's not Hogan making decisions, it's now corporate
Heard they bought Breakers too.
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Heard they bought Breakers too.

In the 18 months since 3D bought Breakers, Breakers went from having a 2024, 2025, and 2026 team in the Top 100, to folding their 2024 team (now a 23/24 B squad), folding their 2025, folding their 2028 (and have still never fielded a 2029, 2030, or 2031 squad) and hoping that their 2026 squad carries the brand. The club is toast unless another local B/A/AA club folds first and Breakers can serve those kids.

Adding the cost and "corporate sports expertise" of 3 Step to Breakers did not do anybody any favors (except maybe Koopers, LTLC and True who all benefitted from mass defections at the A/AA level). There is a need for AA teams at the HS level where lower rostered HS players can get lots of PT and make an impact on the field.

Hopefully the 3 Step team assigned to Hawks does not take the same approach (aka "let the club die, thanks for the profitable Tournament LLC!!!) they did to Breakers.
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .
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Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

Thanks Mark
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

Thanks Mark

Welcome. Facts are Facts
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

Thanks Mark

Welcome. Facts are Facts

My son has played lacrosse for 6 years and never lost to a Team 91 team. That is also a fact.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

Thanks Mark

Welcome. Facts are Facts

My son has played lacrosse for 6 years and never lost to a Team 91 team. That is also a fact.

Thats a OUCH Fact !
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

Thanks Mark

Welcome. Facts are Facts

My son has played lacrosse for 6 years and never lost to a Team 91 team. That is also a fact.


When you play in HoCo B you never play 91 MD so you can't lose to them. Fact.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

Thanks Mark

Welcome. Facts are Facts

My son has played lacrosse for 6 years and never lost to a Team 91 team. That is also a fact.


When you play in HoCo B you never play 91 MD so you can't lose to them. Fact.

Correct Mark. 91 being in HOCO A does make it tough to lose to B, Elite and AA teams. Keep hiding from the better teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

I'll put money down that MM son #2 will also end up #1 Recruit when the time comes. Not willing to bet if he'll be a '25, '26 or '27 by then though!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 has loaded up with a few new players, Looks like they will be a dominate team this year and the team to beat. Some really good players at attack probably best attack unit at that age group .

The rich get richer. Not just the attack but the entire offense is extremely tough to stop. New additions make them all the tougher. #1 in the country hands down. Again

I'll put money down that MM son #2 will also end up #1 Recruit when the time comes. Not willing to bet if he'll be a '25, '26 or '27 by then though!

Take the ‘27 bet!
What's the outlook for the summer? Who will be the best in and around MD?
No clue where kids are landing since many teams transition from 8th to HS.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's the outlook for the summer? Who will be the best in and around MD?
No clue where kids are landing since many teams transition from 8th to HS.
Crabs 25 team most likely will fold, too many out of state kids, no practices whatsoever, head coach had a massive heart attack and now can’t find a replacement. Easy for the out of state boys to find teams back home not so much for the MD boys.
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What's the outlook for the summer? Who will be the best in and around MD?
No clue where kids are landing since many teams transition from 8th to HS.

My two cents (and sense) on MD area rankings for this summer:
1) 91MD
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) True Annapolis & DC Express (tie)
It's a garbage shoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) DC Express
6) Crabs (if they find a coach)
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Koopers
10) Preds
11) Cannons
12) Team MD
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a garbage shoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) DC Express
6) Crabs (if they find a coach)
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Koopers
10) Preds
11) Cannons
12) Team MD


91, Hawks, NL, FCA all got better
DCE, Crabs, ML got worse
True, Koopers, Cannons, Team MD stayed the same
Preds just beginning!
I did not think Preds were even forming a 25 team?
Not sure DCE got worse as it went 10-0-1 in Fall, beating 4H, Eclipse, LIE (19-4), FCA, 3D New England and tied Hawks.
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I did not think Preds were even forming a 25 team?
They formed one. Mostly MIAA kids. From various schools, not just StP. They won't be world beaters, but should compete well.
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Not sure DCE got worse as it went 10-0-1 in Fall, beating 4H, Eclipse, LIE (19-4), FCA, 3D New England and tied Hawks.

DC Express isn’t a bad team, just clearly not on the level of the other elite teams in the MidAtlantic area. Defense is very good but offense isn’t, especially on attack.

ML will do better now that they are HS
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DC Express isn’t a bad team, just clearly not on the level of the other elite teams in the MidAtlantic area. Defense is very good but offense isn’t, especially on attack.

True. Always been a team that struggles to take quality shots and the attack needs more movement and creativity. Their defense is what keeps them in it. Some really talented poles there.
Evidently the new rankings reflect DCE’s (#2) success in the fall against many top caliber teams. That the top three teams in the nation are all in our area is impressive. Should be a great summer of lacrosse for the 2025s!
State of Maryland top 10?
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Evidently the new rankings reflect DCE’s (#2) success in the fall against many top caliber teams. That the top three teams in the nation are all in our area is impressive. Should be a great summer of lacrosse for the 2025s!

LOLOLOLOL

WHAT A JOKE!

DC Express is terrible
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Evidently the new rankings reflect DCE’s (#2) success in the fall against many top caliber teams. That the top three teams in the nation are all in our area is impressive. Should be a great summer of lacrosse for the 2025s!

DCE is behind NL and ML. Maybe even crabs
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State of Maryland top 10?

Ignoring all those DC area teams that roster swap, it's:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) FCA
4) Crabs
5) Pro Start
6) True Annap
7) Koopers
8) Preds
9) Green Turtle
10) Team MD
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a garbage shoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) DC Express
6) Crabs (if they find a coach)
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Koopers
10) Preds
11) Cannons
12) Team MD

Crabs should not be ranked ahead of ML & True Annapolis. DCE could take FCA as well.
^^^ Not a chance. ML is well behind DCE, and Crabs isn't even in same zip code after its 2025 team exploded. What's interesting if you're a Crab follower is how many former Crabs are on those top 3 teams. Hawks definitely has 1, maybe 2. DCE has 2, and 91 has 2 or 3. Maybe if Crabs had managed that team better it might be in the top 10, but no way they are in the same league now. The USClub Lax rankings are just an opinion like PP above, but ML and Crabs are hemorrhaging good players. Look for both to slide further.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a garbage shoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) DC Express
6) Crabs (if they find a coach)
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Koopers
10) Preds
11) Cannons
12) Team MD

Crabs should not be ranked ahead of ML & True Annapolis. DCE could take FCA as well.

Don't sleep on DCE - Most of them are playing at the same high school - which basically means that the team is practicing 7 days a week until the summer season starts. Other teams are more distributed so the boys will be practicing but not together.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a garbage shoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) DC Express
6) Crabs (if they find a coach)
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Koopers
10) Preds
11) Cannons
12) Team MD

Crabs should not be ranked ahead of ML & True Annapolis. DCE could take FCA as well.

Don't sleep on DCE - Most of them are playing at the same high school - which basically means that the team is practicing 7 days a week until the summer season starts. Other teams are more distributed so the boys will be practicing but not together.

Dc Express 2025 is a mediocre team at BEST. Attack is subpar, Midfield is average, FOGO is a little better than average, DEF is pretty good. Doesn't matter what HS they play for. Mediocre at BEST.
say you have a bone to pick with the Attack, without saying you have a bone to pick. LOL, we all know
Pretty clear to anyone really watching these boys play -- regardless of rankings -- that Team 91 is the best 2025 team in the country, but there's going to be some serious competition from Hawks, DCE and maybe even NL to knock them off. Unfortunately, the MM kid (TM 91) supposedly broke his foot. No doubt MM will blame the losses -- yes I'm calling it -- this summer to that injury alone...
Updated rankings:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
5) DC Express
6) True Annap
6) FCA
7) Crabs (if they find a coach)
8) Cannons
10) Koopers
11) Pro Start
12 Zingos
13) Predators
14 Team MD
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Updated rankings:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
5) DC Express
6) True Annap
6) FCA
7) Crabs (if they find a coach)
8) Cannons
10) Koopers
11) Pro Start
12 Zingos
13) Predators
14 Team MD


91
big drop off
NL
Hawks
Madlax
True
FCA
DCE
who care - not relevant
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Updated rankings:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
5) DC Express
6) True Annap
6) FCA
7) Crabs (if they find a coach)
8) Cannons
10) Koopers
11) Pro Start
12 Zingos
13) Predators
14 Team MD

FCA beat Next Level and True Annapolis last week.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Updated rankings:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
5) DC Express
6) True Annap
6) FCA
7) Crabs (if they find a coach)
8) Cannons
10) Koopers
11) Pro Start
12 Zingos
13) Predators
14 Team MD

FCA beat Next Level and True Annapolis last week.

Full disclosure-True Annapolis also beat FCA the day before. They were even for the weekend.
Inside Lacrosse tournament today. Any surprises? Disappointments? How were the quality of teams?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Inside Lacrosse tournament today. Any surprises? Disappointments? How were the quality of teams?

Yeah, where is the coverage of this event? All Star game this morning. For a big Inside Lacrosse tourney, thought they would be posting about it on social media or something.

So far it’s been really good lacrosse. Lots of competition and plenty of college coaches.
You missed Greene Turtle, should be right after Crabs!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Inside Lacrosse tournament today. Any surprises? Disappointments? How were the quality of teams?

Yeah, where is the coverage of this event? All Star game this morning. For a big Inside Lacrosse tourney, thought they would be posting about it on social media or something.

So far it’s been really good lacrosse. Lots of competition and plenty of college coaches.
Yup, good event. Surprisingly Little Coverage by IL.
Sounds like there may be some turnover at the 2025 age group next year. Sounds like a few of the top CRABS and FCA guys are checking out other options. Have seen some at various other tryouts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like there may be some turnover at the 2025 age group next year. Sounds like a few of the top CRABS and FCA guys are checking out other options. Have seen some at various other tryouts.

Crabs 2025 has no top players. They should be ecstatic to stay on that train wreck of a team.

FCA 2025 has a few nice pieces, but they are mostly CH players and will surely not bite the hand that feeds them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like there may be some turnover at the 2025 age group next year. Sounds like a few of the top CRABS and FCA guys are checking out other options. Have seen some at various other tryouts.

Crabs 2025 has no top players. They should be ecstatic to stay on that train wreck of a team.

FCA 2025 has a few nice pieces, but they are mostly CH players and will surely not bite the hand that feeds them.

Crabs 25s are from all over the place. Cant imagine these are unaffiliated imports. Assume they all board at BL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like there may be some turnover at the 2025 age group next year. Sounds like a few of the top CRABS and FCA guys are checking out other options. Have seen some at various other tryouts.

Crabs 2025 has no top players. They should be ecstatic to stay on that train wreck of a team.

FCA 2025 has a few nice pieces, but they are mostly CH players and will surely not bite the hand that feeds them.

Crabs 25s are from all over the place. Cant imagine these are unaffiliated imports. Assume they all board at BL.

Crabs 23s showing is going to make them #1
Baltimore Command team went 0-3 in the All America tourney.

Lesson learned. This is what happens when they add public school kids on the team.
All the studs played Nike weeks ago.
The problem with DCE's offense is its coaching. They have the pieces but trying to run all of your offense through one kid is just not a winning strategy. Kid was good 2-3 years ago, but can't carry a team. Not sure they are even top 20 after their performance this past weekend in PA.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with DCE's offense is its coaching. They have the pieces but trying to run all of your offense through one kid is just not a winning strategy. Kid was good 2-3 years ago, but can't carry a team. Not sure they are even top 20 after their performance this past weekend in PA.

It's not good when you run an offense through one kid, and he is just having a bad day. Spread the wealth and empower all the kids to make plays, Not be a part of a scheme. But it's easier to teach a scheme rather than develop kids to be lax players.
Originally Posted by BMitch
Pretty clear to anyone really watching these boys play -- regardless of rankings -- that Team 91 is the best 2025 team in the country, but there's going to be some serious competition from Hawks, DCE and maybe even NL to knock them off. Unfortunately, the MM kid (TM 91) supposedly broke his foot. No doubt MM will blame the losses -- yes I'm calling it -- this summer to that injury alone...

Team 91 was knocked off by 91 LI at the end of the summer so the excuses for their slide already started. MM will have to come up with something to explain all the losses this year rather quickly.
What do you mean by “all the losses?”

The team went 25-1-1 last year. They could certainly lose a few games this spring. But there will not be a lot of teams that knock off 91 unless the roster has seen major shakeups.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by BMitch
Pretty clear to anyone really watching these boys play -- regardless of rankings -- that Team 91 is the best 2025 team in the country, but there's going to be some serious competition from Hawks, DCE and maybe even NL to knock them off. Unfortunately, the MM kid (TM 91) supposedly broke his foot. No doubt MM will blame the losses -- yes I'm calling it -- this summer to that injury alone...

Team 91 was knocked off by 91 LI at the end of the summer so the excuses for their slide already started. MM will have to come up with something to explain all the losses this year rather quickly.

Those 23/24s are great!
Thoughts on the first 5 star?
Man what happened to 91 Fire? Looks like they got destroyed at NLF over the weekend. I thought this was a team for all-time?
MM has 91 MD at top form. Best in country. People know it, just dont want to admit. The lost was a fluke and everyone knows it.
Originally Posted by BMitch
Pretty clear to anyone really watching these boys play -- regardless of rankings -- that Team 91 is the best 2025 team in the country, but there's going to be some serious competition from Hawks, DCE and maybe even NL to knock them off. Unfortunately, the MM kid (TM 91) supposedly broke his foot. No doubt MM will blame the losses -- yes I'm calling it -- this summer to that injury alone...

He is right. The whole team sole purpose in life is to elevate him to the next level and #1 ranking. When you lose that, you lose
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM has 91 MD at top form. Best in country. People know it, just dont want to admit. The lost was a fluke and everyone knows it.
Wow Mark you are really making sure you got yourself covered after the video came out. No one cares anymore about how good they are. All anyone will now remember about the team is your behavior caught on film.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with DCE's offense is its coaching. They have the pieces but trying to run all of your offense through one kid is just not a winning strategy. Kid was good 2-3 years ago, but can't carry a team. Not sure they are even top 20 after their performance this past weekend in PA.

It's not good when you run an offense through one kid, and he is just having a bad day. Spread the wealth and empower all the kids to make plays, Not be a part of a scheme. But it's easier to teach a scheme rather than develop kids to be lax players.

Well to be fair, they have fulfilled their promise of "developing these players." They've all been very successfully developed into support players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with DCE's offense is its coaching. They have the pieces but trying to run all of your offense through one kid is just not a winning strategy. Kid was good 2-3 years ago, but can't carry a team. Not sure they are even top 20 after their performance this past weekend in PA.

It's not good when you run an offense through one kid, and he is just having a bad day. Spread the wealth and empower all the kids to make plays, Not be a part of a scheme. But it's easier to teach a scheme rather than develop kids to be lax players.

Well to be fair, they have fulfilled their promise of "developing these players." They've all been very successfully developed into support players.

A Player got to know his limitations.
Got a couple teams representing 25 and 26 from Maryland down in Florida at IMLCA this weekend, Team 91 and Zingo's. Lot of big name teams playing there.
They publish all birthdays if you are a member too see. Pretty interesting .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Got a couple teams representing 25 and 26 from Maryland down in Florida at IMLCA this weekend, Team 91 and Zingo's. Lot of big name teams playing there.
They publish all birthdays if you are a member too see. Pretty interesting .
How many forums?
MM and 91 do it to the boys from LI again. You know that has got to hurt
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Got a couple teams representing 25 and 26 from Maryland down in Florida at IMLCA this weekend, Team 91 and Zingo's. Lot of big name teams playing there.
They publish all birthdays if you are a member too see. Pretty interesting .
How many forums?

4 , different ages and different teams ? Is that a problem ? I see you go to different ones to check,
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM and 91 do it to the boys from LI again. You know that has got to hurt

Easy pickings when you get to ply kids 2 years younger.
MM and his 25's do it in Fl. 5-0 . Best 25 in Nation , no doubt now.
Wins and loses dont mean anything, all the top teams are now visible and 25 recruiting is essentially over. Didnt Shock dismantle and embarrass MD last year at the NLF? Again, not sure it matters as most coaches are long gone by the finals.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM and his 25's do it in Fl. 5-0 . Best 25 in Nation , no doubt now.
You should really make sure we can’t see who you played before making such strong comments. And with all your 24s playing against no competition in the 25 division, one assumed last week you would go 5-0
All these teams went all the way to Florida and the best teams did not play each other. What a joke. It is almost like the NLF ran it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM and his 25's do it in Fl. 5-0 . Best 25 in Nation , no doubt now.
You should really make sure we can’t see who you played before making such strong comments. And with all your 24s playing against no competition in the 25 division, one assumed last week you would go 5-0
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All these teams went all the way to Florida and the best teams did not play each other. What a joke. It is almost like the NLF ran it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM and his 25's do it in Fl. 5-0 . Best 25 in Nation , no doubt now.
You should really make sure we can’t see who you played before making such strong comments. And with all your 24s playing against no competition in the 25 division, one assumed last week you would go 5-0

Don't forget the 23s!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wins and loses dont mean anything, all the top teams are now visible and 25 recruiting is essentially over. Didnt Shock dismantle and embarrass MD last year at the NLF? Again, not sure it matters as most coaches are long gone by the finals.

as a parent of a 24 and 26, I don't personally know MM but his success at the 25 level is extraordinary (giving the devil its due). So 91 and MM lost to Shock in the finals last summer - from what I understand, they've only lost 3 games in over 3 years. Not sure if its the players, the coaches, or what - but that's pretty impressive in my mind. Not a ton of college coaches at our 26 games this weekend, from what I understand, they were at the 25 event.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All these teams went all the way to Florida and the best teams did not play each other. What a joke. It is almost like the NLF ran it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM and his 25's do it in Fl. 5-0 . Best 25 in Nation , no doubt now.
You should really make sure we can’t see who you played before making such strong comments. And with all your 24s playing against no competition in the 25 division, one assumed last week you would go 5-0

Don't forget the 23s!

A little over half of the 25's are holdbacks. So it isnt that much as people say.
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