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Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for Boys in the class of 2029 in the Mid-Atlantic region.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 08/16/19 01:49 AM
Looking for options for box lacrosse leagues/clinics for 2029 age group.

Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 07/10/20 10:55 AM
Where are you? My son plays for the Warthogs. Love it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/03/21 02:23 AM
No crabs.
No problem.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/03/21 12:15 PM
Top Tier Is Gonna Be:

Hawks
Madlax
Next Level
BLC
Blue Claws
Cavalier
True

And LTLC Will Move Up To Take The Crabs Spot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/03/21 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top Tier Is Gonna Be:

Hawks
Madlax
Next Level
BLC
Blue Claws
Cavalier
True

And LTLC Will Move Up To Take The Crabs Spot.
Is going to be, Hawks dad, is going to be. Keep on Glen Burning.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 09/15/21 08:48 AM
There’s only 27 True teams so one of them is bound to be ranked
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/18/21 02:41 AM
Got to watch some action on the 2029s today at the Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament which was a great fall event. Many teams seemed to be up and down on players throughout the day probably due to other sports conflicts. 100% expected in the fall.

Tier 1
Madlax - Great chemistry displayed throughout the event. Great offensive movement. Only going to get better and better.

Tier 2
BLC - Solid team with lots of all around talent. They were neck and neck with Madlax.
Next Level - A narrow loss to Madlax. Going to be awesome to watch Madlax, Bethesda, and Next Level slug it out all year long as they battle for NOVA.
FCA - Appeared to have a lot of new players. Held their own against BLC, but were short handed against Madlax. Will be interesting to see if they will gel, rise towards the top, or flop.

Tier 3
Predators - Saw a ton of Team 91 (MD) helmets on their roster. Only scoring 1 goal against upper level talent (Next Level, FCA) is not going to cut it. Reminder...first year team with tons of upside to grown and improve.
VLC - Brand new team, will look to develop as the season goes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/19/21 04:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Got to watch some action on the 2029s today at the Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament which was a great fall event. Many teams seemed to be up and down on players throughout the day probably due to other sports conflicts. 100% expected in the fall.

Tier 1
Madlax - Great chemistry displayed throughout the event. Great offensive movement. Only going to get better and better.

Tier 2
BLC - Solid team with lots of all around talent. They were neck and neck with Madlax.
Next Level - A narrow loss to Madlax. Going to be awesome to watch Madlax, Bethesda, and Next Level slug it out all year long as they battle for NOVA.
FCA - Appeared to have a lot of new players. Held their own against BLC, but were short handed against Madlax. Will be interesting to see if they will gel, rise towards the top, or flop.

Tier 3
Predators - Saw a ton of Team 91 (MD) helmets on their roster. Only scoring 1 goal against upper level talent (Next Level, FCA) is not going to cut it. Reminder...first year team with tons of upside to grown and improve.
VLC - Brand new team, will look to develop as the season goes.

Moving FCA down a Tier might make sense based on the scores. VLC might deserve Tier 4 to themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/19/21 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Got to watch some action on the 2029s today at the Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament which was a great fall event. Many teams seemed to be up and down on players throughout the day probably due to other sports conflicts. 100% expected in the fall.

Tier 1
Madlax - Great chemistry displayed throughout the event. Great offensive movement. Only going to get better and better.

Tier 2
BLC - Solid team with lots of all around talent. They were neck and neck with Madlax.
Next Level - A narrow loss to Madlax. Going to be awesome to watch Madlax, Bethesda, and Next Level slug it out all year long as they battle for NOVA.
FCA - Appeared to have a lot of new players. Held their own against BLC, but were short handed against Madlax. Will be interesting to see if they will gel, rise towards the top, or flop.

Tier 3
Predators - Saw a ton of Team 91 (MD) helmets on their roster. Only scoring 1 goal against upper level talent (Next Level, FCA) is not going to cut it. Reminder...first year team with tons of upside to grown and improve.
VLC - Brand new team, will look to develop as the season goes.

Moving FCA down a Tier might make sense based on the scores. VLC might deserve Tier 4 to themselves.

The only difference between Preds and VLC is that people expected/hoped Preds would flop out of the gate (which......more like they just reaffirmed they are not an elite club) and, the same people - with no evidence really - expected/hoped VLC would magically put a competent elite team together in 6 weeks, which they did not. Both are regional expansion teams and both had the same kind of day against elite/AAA competition. Both clubs will be fine at the 2029 level. Unless they think they are playing elite ball in the spring.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/19/21 03:16 PM
From what I heard, Preds 2029 is mostly Team 91 MD 2029s from last year as their coach left and came over? Any truth to that based on what you saw this weekend?

Where does that leave Team 91 MD this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/21/21 06:26 PM
The Team 91 2029s is almost a whole new team. Yes Preds 2029 is mostly the Team 91 from last year.

I am FCA 2029 dad. Our team is almost half Crabs kids, another half is the 29/30 FCA from last year and a couple others mixed in so it is very new. This weekend at Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament was their first games together. We did not even have a scrimmage before Madlax Capital got a chance to unload on us in the first game. Considering the second game was Bethesda Blue that was 5-2, it seems very good for the 2029 FCA moving forward. But only time will tell.

Tier 0 would be Annapolis Hawks by a long shot. Everybody starts a tier below them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/21 02:32 PM
Madlax Cap 29 handily beat the Hawks for the NAL championship in a pretty much Madlax controlled game. Then Hawks won in Hershey in sudden death OT where Madlax Cap 29 was playing without their #1 defender. Pretty evenly matched team. Great kids on both.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/22/21 02:51 PM
DMV located, non-ML29 dad here. So take this for what it's worth.

I was fortunate enough to be able to watch the 29 NAL and Hershey games. With a full complement ML is pretty hard to beat at the moment, and as noted above the Hershey game was a barn burner. This will be a battle to watch for years to come...much like the other ML and Hawks age groups.

I would add that ML29s recruited two stud BLC kids (twins) this fall which has tightened up their already ridiculously strong defense even further and added new legs to the midfield.

Opponents should be prepared to play a club that has matured very quickly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/26/21 12:35 PM
Limited experience in club lax but I’m gonna go ahead and presume hawks picked up a couple new toys also.

Gotta be honest, until 5th or 6th grade it seems like glorified bobble head ball anyway. The next two years will tell us who is what and the real story.

That said, the 29 pool was thin last year and I think (could be wrong) that the hawks beat ML like 5 out of 6 times. BLC 6 times or more. And next level several times (3-4 maybe).

Pretty hard to beat any good team twice in a year. Let alone 3-6 times. So you have to assume ML found a tendency and finally exposed it. Only to lose the next one.

Gonna be a VERY interesting season I’m thinking. And maybe we shouldn’t sleep on some of the others like true who was the best losing team in the 29 bracket last year.

And if BLC lost two studs, does someone leapfrog them?

Should be fun to see play out!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/26/21 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DMV located, non-ML29 dad here. So take this for what it's worth.

I was fortunate enough to be able to watch the 29 NAL and Hershey games. With a full complement ML is pretty hard to beat at the moment, and as noted above the Hershey game was a barn burner. This will be a battle to watch for years to come...much like the other ML and Hawks age groups.

I would add that ML29s recruited two stud BLC kids (twins) this fall which has tightened up their already ridiculously strong defense even further and added new legs to the midfield.

Opponents should be prepared to play a club that has matured very quickly.

Thanks twins dad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 10/28/21 01:34 AM
Anyone playing in the Elite Six Challenge next month outside of Annapolis? It is following the sixes format.. smaller field, smaller rosters, continuous play.. elitesixchallenge.com
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 11/02/21 08:46 PM
Appears ML and Hawks may get a chance to see who got the better upgrades at NAL in a couple of weeks. Presuming they both win their pools
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/04/21 12:42 PM
2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/10/21 06:59 PM
Seriously? I hope they aren't doing that in the other divisions. Are they Madlax boys?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/10/21 10:34 PM
Thanks, I’ve been thinking. There isn’t near enough trash talk on this thread. The other threads are embarrassed by us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/10/21 11:01 PM
I've seen all 4 teams play. I haven't noticed 1 kid that fits that descriptio in terms of 27 grade, with size and athletic ability.

There are some kids that stick out skill wise but they are 28s.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/10/21 11:20 PM
Wow the 29 thread needs some pep.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/10/21 11:30 PM
I believe 2 of them were shamed out of going by their friends.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/11/21 02:34 AM
Cannot wait for lax to adopt the age standard over the grade standard! Talk amongst yourselves….
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/11/21 05:00 AM
Any teams from LI good at this age group? No discussions at all. Maybe it’s a weak year for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/11/21 05:49 PM
I agree. Things started so well when non madlax dad slash madlax dad told everyone how much better they were. I’m going back to the 28 page to be entertained. This is lame
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/11/21 05:56 PM
Best team I have seen is 91 pride. But there is a gap between them and the maryland teams.

Express I think lost to hawks by 10 at NAL not sure on that score. Igloo seems scrappy.

Not sure who else is even out there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/11/21 10:27 PM
What teams are playing in Club Lax Nationals at Orlando on New Years at this age group?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/12/21 12:00 AM
Only madlax. To stroke their egos against terrible teams. True national will be the only true national will score a goal against them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/14/21 05:00 AM
That 91 Pride team is ok. Should be much better. Lots of drama the past few years with so many daddy coaches like 8 or 9. Too many coaches on that sideline. The coaches looked confused and yelling in a blowout loss in the chip to a Nationals team with 3 subs including a goalie. Didn’t hear about them or see them this Fall, so who knows but 91 usually seems to figure it out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/14/21 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That 91 Pride team is ok. Should be much better. Lots of drama the past few years with so many daddy coaches like 8 or 9. Too many coaches on that sideline. The coaches looked confused and yelling in a blowout loss in the chip to a Nationals team with 3 subs including a goalie. Didn’t hear about them or see them this Fall, so who knows but 91 usually seems to figure it out.

Let’s start this off like every other thread. The LI 2029’s are mostly 2011 birth years with a few post 9/1/2010. While the Maryland teams are mainly 2010’s some 2011’s and a few late 2009’s.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/15/21 03:06 AM
Sounds like a soured LI daddy who saw his son’s team get spanked against the MD teams. I know of plenty LI teams that have the same make up as MD teams up the ladder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/15/21 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like a soured LI daddy who saw his son’s team get spanked against the MD teams. I know of plenty LI teams that have the same make up as MD teams up the ladder.

Ok holdback daddy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 01:03 AM
Wouldn’t you be confused and frantic if a team with two subs was playing make it take it and ramming it down your teams throat? 91 has a bunch of talent and bloodline though. Whole staff are former Hofstra guys and many who played in the MLL. They will be fine.

Still a huge gap between the two best teams (hawks and ML) from any team out there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 01:46 AM
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.

If he plans him going D1! good luck with that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 01:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wouldn’t you be confused and frantic if a team with two subs was playing make it take it and ramming it down your teams throat? 91 has a bunch of talent and bloodline though. Whole staff are former Hofstra guys and many who played in the MLL. They will be fine.

Still a huge gap between the two best teams (hawks and ML) from any team out there.


Seems like Madlax and Hawks have the best teams early then fade. My guess is their holdbacks lose their advantage once everyone goes through puberty.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 03:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.

Please tell me this is a joke post. You are planning on holding back your fifth grader because you think that he needs the “edge” and “intends to go D1”? Dude, chilllll. Let it play out. Wayyyy to young to be thinking ahead that far.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 03:59 AM
Huge gap is spot on. That 91 Pride team seems to be average like that 2026 team they have which needed help from Machine kids to qualify for WS. Bloodlines and pro ball doesn’t always get passed down. This age group may not have any LI teams in the top 10 or 20 when rankings finally come out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.

Please tell me this is a joke post. You are planning on holding back your fifth grader because you think that he needs the “edge” and “intends to go D1”? Dude, chilllll. Let it play out. Wayyyy to young to be thinking ahead that far.

If they are going to hold the kid back, better to do earlier and get the benefits he mentioned. Earlier than 5th, like 1st is what I hear the calculating lacrosse families do. Get him an edge early on and don’t look back. Gives opportunity for 2nd holdback year later. This is sad…. But, it’s keeping up with the Jones’s in lacrosse! Rules should be changed to make it fair in youth ages. Parents wouldn’t feel pressure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 12:16 PM
Wrong. Playing down will give him a false sense a confidence. Kids get better by playing up not down. If he is doing fine in school, let lacrosse play out. Odds are he won’t play D1 anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Huge gap is spot on. That 91 Pride team seems to be average like that 2026 team they have which needed help from Machine kids to qualify for WS. Bloodlines and pro ball doesn’t always get passed down. This age group may not have any LI teams in the top 10 or 20 when rankings finally come out.


Let’s be very clear here. The rankings you mention are not age based it’s grade based, huge difference.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 01:49 PM
This response is hilarious. “When their holdbacks”. Dude, give it a rest. More like other teams start holding back and in some cases double holding back in 7th and 8th grade. Crabs are the most notorious. Still, I think hawks teams are literally all in the top ten except maybe one and most top 5. Could be wrong. I do not see madlax consistently in the top ten though.

Also, rec is still really strong in LI so I think club teams get better in middle school for them. Especially since most are summer clubs for the most part. Tourney teams. The Maryland and dc teams are year round and replace rec. so naturally they are better at earlier ages.

That’s why I say all the time, doesn’t matter how good your team/kid is in 3-7th grade. The holdbacks and LI teams who become more dedicated will be the great equalizer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This response is hilarious. “When their holdbacks”. Dude, give it a rest. More like other teams start holding back and in some cases double holding back in 7th and 8th grade. Crabs are the most notorious. Still, I think hawks teams are literally all in the top ten except maybe one and most top 5. Could be wrong. I do not see madlax consistently in the top ten though.

Also, rec is still really strong in LI so I think club teams get better in middle school for them. Especially since most are summer clubs for the most part. Tourney teams. The Maryland and dc teams are year round and replace rec. so naturally they are better at earlier ages.

That’s why I say all the time, doesn’t matter how good your team/kid is in 3-7th grade. The holdbacks and LI teams who become more dedicated will be the great equalizer.

When it comes to holdbacks and double holdbacks the Maryland and Mass teams have a considerable amount more compared to the LI / NY state teams. It’s not even up for debate. You may detest the World Series or not but LI has proven when age based play is mandatory they’re dominating.

“That’s why I say all the time…” I have a take the other side of that statement, since your taking about how LI teams won’t be in the top 10 when the rankings come out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 02:41 PM
Well I didn’t say that no LI teams would be ranked. I said none of it matters until the holdbacks (from any state) and the LI teams start becoming more dedicated to their club instead of rec.

That said 2029 won’t be ranked until fall of next year. So it’s a worthless convo. Not to mention the rankings are completely illegitimate anymore. They were already notIntelligent. But now that it’s 100% algorithm it’s a complete joke. I saw at one point several teams who don’t even compete at the “elite” level were ranked in the top ten.

Rankings don’t matter anyway. What happens when they actually play each other is what matters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well I didn’t say that no LI teams would be ranked. I said none of it matters until the holdbacks (from any state) and the LI teams start becoming more dedicated to their club instead of rec.

That said 2029 won’t be ranked until fall of next year. So it’s a worthless convo. Not to mention the rankings are completely illegitimate anymore. They were already notIntelligent. But now that it’s 100% algorithm it’s a complete joke. I saw at one point several teams who don’t even compete at the “elite” level were ranked in the top ten.

Rankings don’t matter anyway. What happens when they actually play each other is what matters.

You said may not be ranked in the top 10-20.

You keep contradicting yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.

Please tell me this is a joke post. You are planning on holding back your fifth grader because you think that he needs the “edge” and “intends to go D1”? Dude, chilllll. Let it play out. Wayyyy to young to be thinking ahead that far.

If they are going to hold the kid back, better to do earlier and get the benefits he mentioned. Earlier than 5th, like 1st is what I hear the calculating lacrosse families do. Get him an edge early on and don’t look back. Gives opportunity for 2nd holdback year later. This is sad…. But, it’s keeping up with the Jones’s in lacrosse! Rules should be changed to make it fair in youth ages. Parents wouldn’t feel pressure.

I see no reason to not hold him back. Especially if he thinks he wants to play on a top club and has any chance to go D1 is there any other choice for the normal skilled good player. There are thousands like him on age, and an extra year puts him with the very good players of a year younger.

There needs to be a change of rules for youth, but I doubt that happens with Private schools loaded with holdbacks. So, hold them back for now, if you dont someone that has will fill your sons place unless he is some way above average player. Just the way it is
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 03:43 PM
Someone else posted the comment about top 10-20. I was commenting on when I think everything will even out abs the real picture will emerge
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 03:47 PM
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/16/21 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.

It maybe a tired topic for the holdback parents and others but it is very real. To be honest, I enjoy watching my son and his team play against holdbacks. Only making them better playing up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.

Relax holdback parent. No one will stop your son from playing down against kids a a few months to over a 18 months in age younger.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 12:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.

He had a legitimate question with some comments. Holding back is a big part of this age group, as in the next few years many players will go that route.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.

He had a legitimate question with some comments. Holding back is a big part of this age group, as in the next few years many players will go that route.

It’s grade not an age group if it were we, and every other thread wouldn’t be discussing it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 10:16 AM
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….

Maybe you and holdback daddy should take it to the holdback page and talk about how your 12 year olds play vs 10 year olds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….

Well, too bad. This subject belongs being discussed on all the youth age threads! It’s getting out of hand.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….

Well, too bad. This subject belongs being discussed on all the youth age threads! It’s getting out of hand.

Agreed!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 05:45 PM
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.

Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.

Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.

Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 05:59 PM
Youth basketball is grade based too
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.

Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.

Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.

Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?

The most popular sport in the world is NOT garde based and it sure isnt in this country. It is by age with a Jan 1 to Dec 31 limit. Just like high level club Hockey is in most areas. So please stop the other sports are grade based excuse..

No major youth sport is grade based except lacrosse, which has the influence of the so called character based private schools dominating in many areas. It frankly is disgusting the amount of holdbacks playing down in youth lacrosse .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 07:25 PM
Ok we get it. That’s why it got its own thread. Because it’s a big issue.

But can we use class specific threads to discuss those teams? I don’t see anyone accusing any team in 2029 of having holdbacks here. So until then, why not discuss something positive?

Best goalie:
Best defense:
Face off man/men:
Attack units:
Midfield depth

Anything except complaining about holdbacks that haven’t happened yet. Lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.

Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.

Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.

Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?

Pipeline, Coppermine, Old Line etc are by birth year but by all means, carry on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/17/21 07:49 PM
Never heard of any of them. Carry on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/18/21 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.

Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.

Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.

Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?

Hockey is age based
Soccer is age based
Baseball is aged based
Football age based with weight restrictions
Lacrosse no rules
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 12:06 AM
Like the LI teams don’t holdback their players…….it seems as all the top players in LI the past 5 or so years were holdbacks so stop crying LI daddys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 01:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? I hope they aren't doing that in the other divisions. Are they Madlax boys?

Now I saw it. 2 gigantic kids playing today. They both had multiple goals and 1 team had the nerve to send the 27 out for a shootout. What recourse is there to complain without getting blackballed by Madlax?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 02:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seriously? I hope they aren't doing that in the other divisions. Are they Madlax boys?

Now I saw it. 2 gigantic kids playing today. They both had multiple goals and 1 team had the nerve to send the 27 out for a shootout. What recourse is there to complain without getting blackballed by Madlax?

Nothing wrong with that , it is the way of the useless youth lacrosse rules enforced by nobody at this time. Crazy stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 04:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like the LI teams don’t holdback their players…….it seems as all the top players in LI the past 5 or so years were holdbacks so stop crying LI daddys.

Because, now LI has to keep up with the other regions who have been doing it forever!!!!! You know who you are!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 02:10 PM
Let’s take holdback conversation to it’s proper thread. Can we just discuss teams etc without mentioning holdbacks especially in 5th grade?’
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 04:40 PM
So again. We’re still talking about holdbacks in a class that no one is currently claiming any holdbacks. Save this convo for the graduation classes that are actually doing it. You are complaining about an issue that isn’t an issue in 2029 right now. Christ man.

Someone say something about the actually lacrosse in this age group

I’ll start. Does anyone know if next level got any upgrades? They went to the ship last year, got smoked but they beat madlax to get there. Anyone know if they got better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 08:06 PM
I'd like to know more abou the Madlax box league and just how many 27's are playing in a 5th and 6th grade division. So far, there are 2 and I know who they are and what rosters they are on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let’s take holdback conversation to it’s proper thread. Can we just discuss teams etc without mentioning holdbacks especially in 5th grade?’

No! Because it is a “real issue” even and if not more do in 5th grade. You sed the bigger players and a couple kids doing a little better than the rest? Probably not “on age”. Do, if you want we will not call it holdbacks and we can discuss “on age”! It’s the youth levels, that need to be fixed ti “on age”, do it furs to get out of hand later and then a kid is a 2 or 3 year hold back! It effects 5th graders and deserves ti be discussed here. Parents need to get the rules changed! Yiu want to change convo ? Maybe your kid a little older than the other 5th graders?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 08:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So again. We’re still talking about holdbacks in a class that no one is currently claiming any holdbacks. Save this convo for the graduation classes that are actually doing it. You are complaining about an issue that isn’t an issue in 2029 right now. Christ man.

Someone say something about the actually lacrosse in this age group

I’ll start. Does anyone know if next level got any upgrades? They went to the ship last year, got smoked but they beat madlax to get there. Anyone know if they got better?

Are all the kids on your kids 5th grade team “on age”? Staying back younger is even more important for the advantage. Get the advantage early on, go from there. Get on best teams, get noticed, play more, etc. More time to develop skills and confidence. Become a leader young is a clear advantage. I don’t think you like that discussion? Do you disagree being year older is an advantage in 5th grade?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 09:42 PM
I definitely agree. Do you consider kids who have late summer birthdays and parents who chose not to send them to kindergarten to be holdbacks? Those
Kids aren’t “a year” older. There is some grey area in this convo. One thing I have heard of that makes me Nauseous is that parents are holding back those kids after already not sending them in kindergarten. I heard some private schools are even seeking those kids out and suggesting it. It’s crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd like to know more abou the Madlax box league and just how many 27's are playing in a 5th and 6th grade division. So far, there are 2 and I know who they are and what rosters they are on.

I don’t know anything about the Madlax league but in box playing up against older kids is rather normal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/19/21 11:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd like to know more abou the Madlax box league and just how many 27's are playing in a 5th and 6th grade division. So far, there are 2 and I know who they are and what rosters they are on.


Terrible
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 12:09 AM
Again, my point is that this is an important topic which is why it has its own thread.

But to your question above. I have no idea who is on age or whatever from either of my kids teams. But I do know there are no kids who held back to play on them. At least not yet.

There is gray area in this convo. Many parents don’t send their august baby to kindergarten becuase they feel they are not mature enough or ready. Some just don’t want them to be the youngest kid in the grade. But they certainly aren’t thinking at at 5 “this is really gonna help him in club lax in a few years”.

Of course I’m sure the thought of being the oldest instead of youngest gives them some security or something but it’s a far different convo from those who chose not to go to middle school and redo fifth grade just to reclass for sports. Even then, if your talking about a late summer birthday I can see why parents may do that.

That being said, I personally would not. And if my kid had a birthday in the middle before July I would never consider not sending them to kindergarten either.

But again. There’s a thread for this very important topic. I would love to actually hear about lacrosse teams soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 01:45 AM
A student isn't a holdback if they didn't repeat a grade and merely started kindergarten at an older age. And for that matter, why so hung up on the kids held back for athletics?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 02:09 AM
Yes they are. A holdback can be either a delayed entry or a repeat of a grade. It's a sin of the worst kind for anybody in the lacrosse world outside of NY. It's just a regular sin for those parents in the MD area whose kids play on the same team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 04:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A student isn't a holdback if they didn't repeat a grade and merely started kindergarten at an older age. And for that matter, why so hung up on the kids held back for athletics?

I know a few lacrosse families , who plan this from the moment their kids are born. They know they will either start late or repeat early on. Easier that way and better to get the older advantage young when not so obvious. Nothing wrong with it. The argument has always been, should youth lacrosse change the rules to age based? This is a Relevant topic for all the youth age threads. As long as it’s allowed, it’s totally within the rules. It’s just that it’s becoming crazy. If a kid wants to play high level D1, at some point they will probably need to be staying back a year or two. Since it’s allowed, what’s the opinion on when the best time to do this to get the biggest advantage?

Hung up on it, because it’s getting a little out of hand. Also, it can be dangerous! It’s also elitist, as it’s an unfair advantage against those who can not afford the extra years” of private schooling!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 10:27 AM
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.

And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 01:24 PM
I agree with most of what you said here. But don’t know about that last statement. I’ve found that the kids who are holding back at the end of elementary school are talented and doing very well at the age they played until that point. Maybe undersized? Maybe they have the super late summer birthday and feel like they are closer to the level of the age below than the age above. Maybe it’s Becuase they want to destroy at the younger age and stroke their little egos. It could be a lot of things. I personally think a kid who was born in late august is the same as a kid born in early September. No real advantage by holding them back. And I have seen it where there is some expectation that holding back will pay major dividends and it really doesn’t. Eventually things start to even out.

My only personal beef is double holdbacks. Like the kid who has the late birthday holding back to a second level down. Which is 100% happening and usually around the end of middle school. And mostly with private school kids, who’s mommy and daddy want little Johnny to be the best. Becuase he deserves it, and mommy and daddy can afford to make it happen for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 02:05 PM
Lol at the guy who keeps saying there is a board for that talk - then continues to ramble post after post on this board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.

And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.

Your delusional. Its not a hypothetical sport to these families. The parents played it and multiple family members. They are “lacrosse families”! Teething rings are mini lacrosse sticks! They know they want little Johnny playing as well, even if little Johnny Doesn’t want to. He won’t know, as that is what his family does. These families are calculating benefits of extra years way early on. It’s not about size either. It’s about mental maturity and extra year of skills training. Guess what, that kid will be more advanced skill wise and prob. Be on the top teams early on. There is an advantage. They know it! I’ve seen this more than once… that’s why I think youth Lacrosse needs to be age based.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.

And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.

Your delusional. Its not a hypothetical sport to these families. The parents played it and multiple family members. They are “lacrosse families”! Teething rings are mini lacrosse sticks! They know they want little Johnny playing as well, even if little Johnny Doesn’t want to. He won’t know, as that is what his family does. These families are calculating benefits of extra years way early on. It’s not about size either. It’s about mental maturity and extra year of skills training. Guess what, that kid will be more advanced skill wise and prob. Be on the top teams early on. There is an advantage. They know it! I’ve seen this more than once… that’s why I think youth Lacrosse needs to be age based.

All sports should be age-based.
If you want it any other way, you are a defective and obviously can't compete and need an advantage.
There is no logical defense of class-related sports. It started because of early, middle-school-aged recruiting. Now early recruiting is gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/20/21 03:59 PM
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.

I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/21/21 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.

And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.

Your delusional. Its not a hypothetical sport to these families. The parents played it and multiple family members. They are “lacrosse families”! Teething rings are mini lacrosse sticks! They know they want little Johnny playing as well, even if little Johnny Doesn’t want to. He won’t know, as that is what his family does. These families are calculating benefits of extra years way early on. It’s not about size either. It’s about mental maturity and extra year of skills training. Guess what, that kid will be more advanced skill wise and prob. Be on the top teams early on. There is an advantage. They know it! I’ve seen this more than once… that’s why I think youth Lacrosse needs to be age based.

All sports should be age-based.
If you want it any other way, you are a defective and obviously can't compete and need an advantage.
There is no logical defense of class-related sports. It started because of early, middle-school-aged recruiting. Now early recruiting is gone.

Totally agree. My kid has an April 2nd birthday so I vote for an April 1 cutoff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/21/21 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.

I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?

Soon to be more! If it benefits the kid dominating and no rules against it. I’m sure MD has more double, LI will catch up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/21/21 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.

I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?

Soon to be more! If it benefits the kid dominating and no rules against it. I’m sure MD has more double, LI will catch up.

More than you would think. Probably 5-7 players every year in the 8th grade of HoCo. That's just in elite but I don't know about the lower divisions (AAA, AA...) probably fewer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/21/21 05:51 PM
So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?

Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/21/21 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?

Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.

Why are you so Invested in caring about what other families do with their Children?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/21/21 11:45 PM
Lax is life?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/22/21 01:58 AM
hahahaha. It's a FORUM where things are discussed, over-analyzed, and judged! So asking why someone would set their kid back two grades is fair game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/22/21 04:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
hahahaha. It's a FORUM where things are discussed, over-analyzed, and judged! So asking why someone would set their kid back two grades is fair game.

We know why they do it, the question is… why is it allowed?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/23/21 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.

I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?

Soon to be more! If it benefits the kid dominating and no rules against it. I’m sure MD has more double, LI will catch up.

More than you would think. Probably 5-7 players every year in the 8th grade of HoCo. That's just in elite but I don't know about the lower divisions (AAA, AA...) probably fewer.

Dad of older lax players here..........it's fewer but not zero in AA and AAA. The general model for holdbacks is that the kid would be a starter at his on-age AA or AAA team (which is equivalent to being deep in the roster on an Elite team. The extra year makes him a starter on an Elite team or even a featured offensive player.

To the extent this is done for the holdback A, AA, and AAA players, it's more complicated, and often has a component of maturity, behavioral issues, level of academic "self accountability" etc. Essentially, Jordan Landon VIII doesn't quite have the skills to play elite on-age, and in addition, is not going to throw up the required academic performance on-age (since this is lax and not football/baseball/basketball) to get into the same pre-law program at UVA that his dad Jordan Landon VII attended.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/23/21 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?

Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.

#1 I'm against holdbacks, let's start there. But It's only notIntelligent if you only see half of the equation. Among a lot of these kids there is a weird flex of inevitability (which to you or I, sure looks like privilege, but I digress).

What if you're a kid who's "above average" at lax.

What if the cost of private school is just a non factor for you.

What if it's already been decided that by age 26, you'll be working at your parents' company/firm.

What if it's all but guaranteed you'll attend a specific college, where you'll be a legacy applicant.

What if it doesn't matter what MBA or law school you'll attend, because, again, your employer is already guaranteed (want it or not, it's happening).

Given those what if's, it makes no difference if you spend an extra year in kindergarten and an extra year at 8th grade. Especially if the money doesn't matter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/23/21 06:42 PM
A month ago this 29 thread had almost zero posts. The ones that were here were actually about lacrosse. Now there are 7 pages all about the same subject that has it own thread. Y’all are some angry birds man.

Top 5 teams in 29

Hawks
Madlax
91pride
Next level
Sweetlax upstate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/24/21 03:04 PM
Forgetting BLC and Cavs. Sweetlax upstate head to head in the fall was pretty far behind those two teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/24/21 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A month ago this 29 thread had almost zero posts. The ones that were here were actually about lacrosse. Now there are 7 pages all about the same subject that has it own thread. Y’all are some angry birds man.

Top 5 teams in 29

Hawks
Madlax
91pride
Next level
Sweetlax upstate

Ok holdback Dad, we will do better in future and stop calling out the players who play down in age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/24/21 06:17 PM
That’s cool, how wound you round out the top ten?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/24/21 07:03 PM
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/26/21 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck

Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/26/21 06:48 PM
Totally agree. But with grade based teams parents also want to get their kid on the team they will be playing with in high school now, before they gel without them. Fear drives a lot of decision in sports
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/27/21 01:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck

Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.

Meh only in lax, only in MD. The #1 2022 recruit (Joey Spallina) played up 1-2 grades until 10th grade. Yes he is from Long Island, not an MIAA kid. He's also "only" 5'11" (which we all know in sports recruiting talk means he is 5' 9.75") so it's not like he's been a physical beast since 4th grade.

His dad (lax pedigree) coached him since an early age.

He was willing to compete and lose against older kids. His parents encouraged it.

He put himself to work developing the skills need to beat older kids.

He was placed in a very solid HS program.

He played for great club teams in LI.

This isn't rocket science.

And he's far superior to the #1 2023 recruit who is a MD holdback, also coached by dad (and still coached by dad, to make sure everybody gets him the ball).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/27/21 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck

Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.

Meh only in lax, only in MD. The #1 2022 recruit (Joey Spallina) played up 1-2 grades until 10th grade. Yes he is from Long Island, not an MIAA kid. He's also "only" 5'11" (which we all know in sports recruiting talk means he is 5' 9.75") so it's not like he's been a physical beast since 4th grade.

His dad (lax pedigree) coached him since an early age.

He was willing to compete and lose against older kids. His parents encouraged it.

He put himself to work developing the skills need to beat older kids.

He was placed in a very solid HS program.

He played for great club teams in LI.

This isn't rocket science.

And he's far superior to the #1 2023 recruit who is a MD holdback, also coached by dad (and still coached by dad, to make sure everybody gets him the ball).

LOve watching the MIAA games on youtube with Booker and Company. It is hilarious at times hearing them say ..so and so is only a Sophomore but plays above that...Of course he does, He is a junior anywhere else except the MIAA. LOL..

The top 2023 recruit made a mistake by picking Duke if he wants to play. The ACC is to physical for him, He would have been better off picking a school UMASS like his mentor cheerleader and actually getting some playing time .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/27/21 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck

Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.

The way to do it, is play up when younger youth age, and gain better skills and play better comp… then “holdback” around MS and be superior! That’s the way it’s done!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/28/21 02:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck

Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.

Meh only in lax, only in MD. The #1 2022 recruit (Joey Spallina) played up 1-2 grades until 10th grade. Yes he is from Long Island, not an MIAA kid. He's also "only" 5'11" (which we all know in sports recruiting talk means he is 5' 9.75") so it's not like he's been a physical beast since 4th grade.

His dad (lax pedigree) coached him since an early age.

He was willing to compete and lose against older kids. His parents encouraged it.

He put himself to work developing the skills need to beat older kids.

He was placed in a very solid HS program.

He played for great club teams in LI.

This isn't rocket science.

And he's far superior to the #1 2023 recruit who is a MD holdback, also coached by dad (and still coached by dad, to make sure everybody gets him the ball).

LOve watching the MIAA games on youtube with Booker and Company. It is hilarious at times hearing them say ..so and so is only a Sophomore but plays above that...Of course he does, He is a junior anywhere else except the MIAA. LOL..

The top 2023 recruit made a mistake by picking Duke if he wants to play. The ACC is to physical for him, He would have been better off picking a school UMASS like his mentor cheerleader and actually getting some playing time .

It's about post-college PR and branding and that's it. Millon Events will soon be able to brand itself with a bunch of Duke logos. Score!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/28/21 05:32 AM
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/28/21 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818

Classic… he played “up” to his own age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/28/21 04:14 PM
But…but…they don’t do that in Long Island…..🙄
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/28/21 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818

Classic… he played “up” to his own age.


To be fair, he did play up by age with 2020 Crush until they graduated and excelled.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/28/21 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818

Classic… he played “up” to his own age.


To be fair, he did play up by age with 2020 Crush until they graduated and excelled.

Yes, He actually played up with a few incredible players,

But all we have heard the last few years from the cheerleaders of JS was...he plays up , but now is with his age group. Total made up stuff by his supporters. He is a holdback like all the Md boys born after Feb . Look at the ages. If you arent born Sept to Jan on age,,,,,hold em back. The IL article proves what we all know. Total sad state of lacrosse frankly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 01:48 PM
Thanks LI DAD. the correct response is, LI does the same exact thing as MD, and they are just as sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks LI DAD. the correct response is, LI does the same exact thing as MD, and they are just as sad.

Why wouldn’t they if MD is going to do it regardless ? It is SAD, to stay competitive for D1 recruiting, that people feel the need to do this. Rules should change! Or, why wouldn’t they do the same holdback advantage as MD gets??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 03:29 PM
wow no one wants to talk about actual 2029 lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 03:46 PM
Easy buddy. I’ve suggested that like ten times. No one is interested. But I’ll play.

What are you looking most forward to seeing? Any matchups? Seems like the 1/2 matchup is hawks and madlax. Is BLC and next level the second tier?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 04:05 PM
Except that on every thread LI parents swear that maryland is the problem and only ones doing it. Stop blaming maryland.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 04:09 PM
Let's go! What happened to all the programs who's 29 teams folded? (Crabs, Breakers, etc.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's go! What happened to all the programs who's 29 teams folded? (Crabs, Breakers, etc.)

Sorry, dropping in from outer space here, but how do crabs not have a team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 05:52 PM
Half the crabs went to FCA the other half went to true Baltimore. Who also seems to have stripped the breakers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/29/21 09:40 PM
Crabs folded because of the coach? Do they backfill with new coach for next year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 12:06 AM
Not sure “why”. But do know one of their better players left mid season. And the word is that it was a falling out with parent and coach. But that’s all hearsay. But I will say that it takes a lot to completely wipe out a grade class from one of the blue bloods of maryland club lax. So something went sideways
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818

Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 01:24 AM
The team was not good last year. Many of the kids (who weren’t setting the world on fire) made their minds up to leave mid season. They defected.

The interesting thing is not many kids from outside the program must have showed up to try out.

It’s bizzare.

It’s hawks and ML. Followed by BLC and NL.

Beyond that Who else is good?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 03:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's go! What happened to all the programs who's 29 teams folded? (Crabs, Breakers, etc.)

Sorry, dropping in from outer space here, but how do crabs not have a team?

Due to entire team from previous year holding back. There will be a great 2030 Crabs team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 10:53 AM
Well, true played tight games with BLC and NL last year. They also beat madlax in the last game of the season. They have some skilled players too. Maybe shouldn’t sleep on them. But also FCA, seems to have picked up the better half of the crabs so they could be much improved. Not sure it gets them in the top 5 but I don’t think you can discount them.

If you open it up past HOCO, you need to consider 91 pride. I think they can play with the hoco teams outside of Hawks and ML.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 12:57 PM
Bhaahahaaa. Except the crabs are notorious for this and I don’t doubt it’s a real possibility.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818

Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa

Please , its a secret in Long Island .. Keep it down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818

Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa

Please , its a secret in Long Island .. Keep it down.

More Long Islanders opening eyes on the holdback advantage scenario! It’s just that JS did it sooner. MD has been doing it forever, so why not!? “When in Rome”
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 07:44 PM
So does Crabs retool and bring in a new coach next season to start the 29s back up? No doubt some of the FCA players or their parents are frustrated with their reduced playing time because of new players from Crabs, Hawks, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818

Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa

Please , its a secret in Long Island .. Keep it down.

More Long Islanders opening eyes on the holdback advantage scenario! It’s just that JS did it sooner. MD has been doing it forever, so why not!? “When in Rome”


It’s not as prevalent here as it is in other places. When i do see holdbacks, it tends to be (not always) in a bloodline of an established lacrosse family.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/30/21 10:39 PM
I think it’s funny that y’all pretend that maryland started it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 01:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think it’s funny that y’all pretend that maryland started it.

MD didnt start it... It is a Private school thing up and down the East Coast. MD does have a big concentration in the MIAA league and has for years. Now, with Club, many outside the private school world want in...Sad State for lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think it’s funny that y’all pretend that maryland started it.

Definitely, with the whole private school stuff there in MD. Not as many opportunity for affordable private schooling on LI! So, much Harder to do the holdback game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 03:33 AM
“Affordable”??? You think maryland private schools are more affordable????? Let me know what Li schools are going for, maybe I’m heading that way 🤷‍♂️
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
“Affordable”??? You think maryland private schools are more affordable????? Let me know what Li schools are going for, maybe I’m heading that way 🤷‍♂️

Friends academy and Portledge, about 30- 40k non boarding. Is MD privates more than that? Crazy if they are!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 07:20 PM
Are the private schools in LI even any good at lacrosse? Seems like the best kids come from public schools, no? So holdbacks seem to be happening in public schools in LI not private.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are the private schools in LI even any good at lacrosse? Seems like the best kids come from public schools, no? So holdbacks seem to be happening in public schools in LI not private.

It’s not about the private schools being good at lax. They go to private school to be able to stay back a year. Then head back to catholic or public. Just use it for holding back. Not the lacrosse. They have the club teams. Can’t afford the private for 4 years +. That’s why they are not good on LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure “why”. But do know one of their better players left mid season. And the word is that it was a falling out with parent and coach. But that’s all hearsay. But I will say that it takes a lot to completely wipe out a grade class from one of the blue bloods of maryland club lax. So something went sideways

From the horse's mouth:

29 Crabs: Lot of unsatisfied parents last summer after too many "guest players" showing up at tourneys while rostered players just standing on sideline. Then at tryouts, about 25% (?????) of last year's roster is cut (unheard of in club culture at that age). 24 kids invited to play this year. Parents got together on a call and decided they would all bolt. Something like 8 or 9 kids ended up accepting. Coaches fired, team folded. I'm sure they will pull a "91 Swarm" maneuver next fall (the 2028 Swarm coach was asked to bring his coaching and his top 10 kids to Team 91 2028), but for now there's no Crabs 2029. Team indeed split between FCA and 91. Would be surprised if any went to True, but can't verify.

29 Breakers: I understand this was always a 2028/29/30 team. The better half of the 2028s bailed mid-year for playing opportunities with the True MD state team, Kyle Harrison's Team 3234982349823 or whatever, and FCA White. Two head coaching changes in the last 10 months, which led to a ghost town at tryouts, and the 2029 kids (the ones who could play) moving on to AA/AAA level stuff like HoCo Pink, Predator, FCA, and Team 91. Not sure what their supposed expert sports management ownership (in CT) is doing for Breakers but apparently it's not working. Breakers went from decent 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2026 teams to......not so much. Honestly wonder if that club is done. It may be older than Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 12/31/21 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
“Affordable”??? You think maryland private schools are more affordable????? Let me know what Li schools are going for, maybe I’m heading that way 🤷‍♂️

I am an MIAA homer but yes, LI private schools are double the price of MIAA schools. Hence why you see such powerhouse public school programs in NY (both LI and Westchester), and you do not (consistently) see it at public schools in Philly, Baltimore, and DC where private school only costs an arm and half a leg.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/01/22 03:06 AM
It'll be interesting to see how teams evolve as COVID diminishes and teams get back to normal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/01/22 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It'll be interesting to see how teams evolve as COVID diminishes and teams get back to normal.

I agree but I'm not so sure you'll be surprised. TLDR, I think many club rosters are fairly set through 8th grade because COVID has kind of squashed the other avenues for talented new players "showing up from out of nowhere." Big roster changes would likely be a result of coaching drama / hires.

As a coach and parent, the "usual suspects" showing up (#1, The Huge Kid Who Hasn't Played in 2 Years; and #2 The Football Kid Who Has Never Even Seen a Lacrosse Game) have looked particularly bad in the wake of 2 years of COVID. Parents have not really availed themselves of personal coaches, or training up from rec ball (maybe partly because rec ball has been frequently canceled for COVID).

I think this unusual stability moving forward is probably a relief if your kid is on an Elite roster and is happy with his role. Well honestly also if your kid is on a AAA or AA team and he/you are happy with their role. This reality is probably very stressful if you are of the Lax Dad Hardhead variety of "My kid plays A-ball and needs to be the featured attackman on a AAA team immediately!" Because that's going to be hard, moving forward.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/01/22 04:58 PM
You lost me at “as COVID diminishes.”
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/01/22 05:48 PM
Agree. But, don't necessarily see the "new kid" showing up to tryouts but rather players from other clubs. To your point, I think parents have been comfortable with their current club situation because the normal pre-covid numbers aren't coming out for tryouts as normal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/01/22 06:15 PM
I agree. Lacrosse was one of the only sports that seemed to flourish in the last two years. And with club lax having more opportunities than rec parents made the plunge who weren’t ready to before.

That said, the alpha from top AAA teams will always show up in the elite division eventually. So the top elite teams will continue get stronger as that happens. Also kids who have played up don’t always gravitate to whatever club team they have been on when they make the move down. Often they see how they could do at a better club at their actual age.

But I don’t think covid plays a roll in any of this
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/01/22 08:41 PM
Anyone brave enough to talk about competition at Club Lax Nationals before the final day?!?!?!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/02/22 01:01 AM
Brave enough to say that almost every 29 team there is AA, AAA except ML and possible the nations best team. But we will find out if they are any good tomorrow.

Also, madlax isn’t even their regular team. Its mostly the
Madlax capital kids but some are borrowed from other areas of the country. Not sure if it’s because they couldn’t get everyone they needed or if it’s intentional but it’s hard to tell if they are even as good as the madlax capital team.

End of the day, that event is a joke at the 29 class. Stop putting stock in it. It’s a madlax run event to make madlax look good. By a wackjob owner
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/02/22 03:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brave enough to say that almost every 29 team there is AA, AAA except ML and possible the nations best team. But we will find out if they are any good tomorrow.

Also, madlax isn’t even their regular team. Its mostly the
Madlax capital kids but some are borrowed from other areas of the country. Not sure if it’s because they couldn’t get everyone they needed or if it’s intentional but it’s hard to tell if they are even as good as the madlax capital team.

End of the day, that event is a joke at the 29 class. Stop putting stock in it. It’s a madlax run event to make madlax look good. By a wackjob owner


Agreed on Madlax owner.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/02/22 06:09 PM
1. Nations Best (National)
2. Madlax (National)
3. Cavalier
4. Team 91 (National)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/02/22 10:32 PM
How about that local Cav team keeping up with the National teams with 3 subs!!! Screw COVID and congratulations to all the great play by all the young teams out there representing at this tournament. Lots of class and heart by the teams, coaches, and families. Tons of comradery and competitive fun for these young boys
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/03/22 04:13 PM
What tournament was this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/03/22 06:00 PM
How many LI kids were on that 91 National team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/03/22 07:17 PM
The tourney was club nationals in Orlando.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/03/22 09:11 PM
One LI kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/05/22 12:11 AM
I wish the club nationals wasn’t a breeding ground for these “national teams”. Would be a lot cooler if the top hoco teams, Philly teams, jersey and LI teams just came to the event. At least once a year I would love to see the best of the best without guest players and “national” teams just hammer it out.

NAL is the closest thing to it as far as I can tell at this age.

Kudos to cavalier for grinding out some wins with like no players. Takes a set to fly down to Florida with short numbers and throw down anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/05/22 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wish the club nationals wasn’t a breeding ground for these “national teams”. Would be a lot cooler if the top hoco teams, Philly teams, jersey and LI teams just came to the event. At least once a year I would love to see the best of the best without guest players and “national” teams just hammer it out.

NAL is the closest thing to it as far as I can tell at this age.

Kudos to cavalier for grinding out some wins with like no players. Takes a set to fly down to Florida with short numbers and throw down anyway.

The NAL and the NLF in July will both be good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/05/22 02:46 PM
Aren’t they both in June this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/13/22 10:53 AM
This board went dead. Anyone have any predictions on the spring? Who got better? Who’s gonna surprise us?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/13/22 02:10 PM
When do we get a 2030 and 2031 thread? There are already tourneys out there with nowhere to discuss.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/13/22 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Aren’t they both in June this year?


NAL in June


NLF Championships are in July
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/13/22 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do we get a 2030 and 2031 thread? There are already tourneys out there with nowhere to discuss.


i think you need to register a login and then you can create a thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/14/22 12:44 PM
The 29 thread is officially the lamest thread on BTC. People have repeatedly tried to get discussions about the actual teams in the 29 class but no one actually wants to talk about them. At first the holdback nerds insisted on invading the thread even though there is literally already a thread dedicated to the topic. BUT NOW, we’re taking about other classes below 2029…

I’m curious. Why does no one want to talk about the 29 class? Is it because there’s really only two teams that matter? Because I don’t agree with that at all.

Seriously. What gives?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 03:32 AM
Agreed. I believe the 2029 class may be the weakest in years. No dominant NY club. That 91 Pride team has too much drama that’s keeping them from reaching their potential but having said that they still stand above all the other NY/LI teams. Still way below the MD teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 04:38 AM
2029 seems to have two dominant teams and then small group of decent clubs.

And then it falls off a cliff to the majority of teams resembling more rec level lax than high level club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 11:00 AM
Interesting observations, I would have to agree at the moment. Even the top two teams don’t completely wow you. A couple of standouts on each team. Both seem to have picked up at last one new toy this year though. Will be interesting to see how they will develop by end of season. I think the true squad is going to be much improved though. They have some kids who can play but there’s a lot of gap from their best players to their second tier. BLC, is returning everyone except for those twins some dad talked about earlier this fall here in BTC. Can’t imagine that losing just those two makes them fall off a cliff.

Does anyone know if next level added anything? They went to the hoco finals last year didnt they?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 11:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 29 thread is officially the lamest thread on BTC. People have repeatedly tried to get discussions about the actual teams in the 29 class but no one actually wants to talk about them. At first the holdback nerds insisted on invading the thread even though there is literally already a thread dedicated to the topic. BUT NOW, we’re taking about other classes below 2029…

I’m curious. Why does no one want to talk about the 29 class? Is it because there’s really only two teams that matter? Because I don’t agree with that at all.

Seriously. What gives?

Sorry holdback parent for calling out the hypocrisy of youth holdbacks. Do you want to brag about your overage player dominating younger children? No one is stopping you. Go for it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2029 seems to have two dominant teams and then small group of decent clubs.

And then it falls off a cliff to the majority of teams resembling more rec level lax than high level club.

Within the next few years there will be a large group of boys being held back. 6th/7th/8th are the years teams get bigger with holdbacks . 2029 will be fine with talent. Its coming.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 12:14 PM
It’s either one of two reasons why the 2029 division seems the way it does.

1. (Less likely) There is just a statistical anomaly in talent and athleticism for kids born in 2011.

2. (More likely) COVID impacted this age probably more than any other age. Right around the time the youngest rec kids were looking to transition to club the pandemic hit. When the better players would normally have been getting comfortable with more game reps, training and whatnot - the pandemic hit.
There was nothing going on for these kids lax wise at the wrong time.

The result seems to be fewer kids playing at this age and those who are developmentally behind where the 28s and 27s were at the same age/grade.

I think it works itself out in the next year or so.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 29 thread is officially the lamest thread on BTC. People have repeatedly tried to get discussions about the actual teams in the 29 class but no one actually wants to talk about them. At first the holdback nerds insisted on invading the thread even though there is literally already a thread dedicated to the topic. BUT NOW, we’re taking about other classes below 2029…

I’m curious. Why does no one want to talk about the 29 class? Is it because there’s really only two teams that matter? Because I don’t agree with that at all.

Seriously. What gives?

Because the parents of 10 year olds aren't as insane as the other parents? Or the insane 2029 parents have an older son and have notIntelligent fights in other age groups?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 08:44 PM
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 09:55 PM
How about coaching talent for the 29s as a source of the issue? I don’t see a ton of great coaching going on and to piggyback on the previous comment these boys lack some fundamental team concepts on offense/defense/transition that might be due to missing a whole spring season when they were just graduating out of 8U lax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/15/22 10:10 PM
Who are the 2 top teams you are referencing?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/16/22 05:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s either one of two reasons why the 2029 division seems the way it does.

1. (Less likely) There is just a statistical anomaly in talent and athleticism for kids born in 2011.

2. (More likely) COVID impacted this age probably more than any other age. Right around the time the youngest rec kids were looking to transition to club the pandemic hit. When the better players would normally have been getting comfortable with more game reps, training and whatnot - the pandemic hit.
There was nothing going on for these kids lax wise at the wrong time.

The result seems to be fewer kids playing at this age and those who are developmentally behind where the 28s and 27s were at the same age/grade.

I think it works itself out in the next year or so.

It’s #1. They 29’s in our district are not impressive at all.
Was like that before Covid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/16/22 12:45 PM
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/16/22 01:48 PM
So you think it is just non-athletic parents making babies? Perhaps we can all agree that it had something to do with the Northeast snow storm in 2009. Snowstorm babies very clearly only have D3 potential
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/16/22 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you think it is just non-athletic parents making babies? Perhaps we can all agree that it had something to do with the Northeast snow storm in 2009. Snowstorm babies very clearly only have D3 potential

Yes, That too ! Board has some really forward thinkers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/17/22 12:54 PM
BLC and LTLC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/17/22 12:59 PM
This seems like a legit point. Dad coaches never got replaced with more experienced ones and kids are still playing iso/hero ball. I see a handful of coaches running systems but most are struggling to implement even if they are trying to install a system.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/17/22 02:43 PM
What about BLC and LTLC exactly?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/17/22 03:29 PM
Top teams at this age group clearly !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/17/22 11:30 PM
Will HoCO have an elite 2029 division this year or is AAA the top clubs again?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/18/22 12:29 PM
5th grade elite? get a grip crazy lax parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/18/22 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/18/22 01:59 PM
You realize the classification is based on the number of teams, not the talent level, right?
It used to just be A and B. But with so many clubs popping up, they needed to expand. Not all of them could be in either A or B.
HOCO only adds divisions above AAA as the numbers allow. Which is usually in 6th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/18/22 02:55 PM
The 28s had an elite division last year, so it makes sense they add the division. Not sure why this is a crazy lax parent question...but whatevs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/18/22 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You realize the classification is based on the number of teams, not the talent level, right?
It used to just be A and B. But with so many clubs popping up, they needed to expand. Not all of them could be in either A or B.
HOCO only adds divisions above AAA as the numbers allow. Which is usually in 6th grade.

Did not realize this! You must have had a kid or two pass through already. First timer here. Your wisdom is inspiring.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/18/22 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
5th grade elite? get a grip crazy lax parent

Yet, here you are, posting on a message board discussing 5th grade lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/19/22 01:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
5th grade elite? get a grip crazy lax parent

Yet, here you are, posting on a message board discussing 5th grade lacrosse.

Agreed on the sentiment…to rephrase the initial question will there be 4 divisions this year. Lets call them developmental, peewee, wee, and D1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 01/19/22 04:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/06/22 12:07 PM
Well. Season is right around the corner. Who’s playing I. Spring thaw?!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/07/22 01:29 AM
Just laying out possible HOCO Divisions.....nothing official put out by HOCO yet to my knowledge.

Anyone missing? Does Roughriders have a 2029 teams? True Baltimore? Anyone who you think would be in a different division?

Crazy to see young divisions with no (CRABS, LOONEYS, BREAKERS)


ELITE (7 TEAMS)
HAWKS
MADLAX
NEXT LEVEL
BLC BLUE
TRUE ANNAPOLIS
CAVALIER ORANGE
LTLC

AAA
KELLY POST
TEAM 91
FOREST HILL
FCA
HOCO
CANNONS
TEAM MARYLAND
KOOPERS
PREDATORS
CARROL MANOR

AA
MESA
SWARM
HLC
CAVALIER BLUE
BLC ORANGE
MADLAX DMV
EASTSIDE
VILLE
ZINGOS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/07/22 01:35 AM
Thaw was cancelled
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/07/22 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

To inform you- last year HoCo had 5 divisions at 25 and 26. 4 divisions at 27 and 28 and three divisions at 29 and 30.

Your entire post is much ado about nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/07/22 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thaw was cancelled


You mean Spring Madness? The Hogan tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/07/22 12:41 PM
My guess is that FCA will be at whatever the top level is agin this year. They took a bunch of crabs kids I think. So technically better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/07/22 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just laying out possible HOCO Divisions.....nothing official put out by HOCO yet to my knowledge.

Anyone missing? Does Roughriders have a 2029 teams? True Baltimore? Anyone who you think would be in a different division?

Crazy to see young divisions with no (CRABS, LOONEYS, BREAKERS)


ELITE (7 TEAMS)
HAWKS
MADLAX
NEXT LEVEL
BLC BLUE
TRUE ANNAPOLIS
CAVALIER ORANGE
LTLC

AAA
KELLY POST
TEAM 91
FOREST HILL
FCA
HOCO
CANNONS
TEAM MARYLAND
KOOPERS
PREDATORS
CARROL MANOR

AA
MESA
SWARM
HLC
CAVALIER BLUE
BLC ORANGE
MADLAX DMV
EASTSIDE
VILLE
ZINGOS

Sidewinders are fielding a team at 2029. Not sure if they are playing HoCo though.
Breakers is toast below 2026.
Most of the 91 kids went to Predators. This 91 squad is light for sure...though they peeled off a bunch of Koopers kids in October.
Most of the Koopers kids are from MESA MD. Not sure how bad or good they are.
LTLC will be toast in Elite.
Kelly Post AAA's are legit....though they struggle with LTLC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/08/22 03:52 PM
spring thaw is the hogan event...I do not think that was cancelled.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/08/22 04:54 PM
Anyone playing in the Elite6 tournament on February 26th at Blandair Park in Columbia?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/09/22 11:19 AM
Another money grab, only this one is right before the season. Nice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/09/22 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another money grab, only this one is right before the season. Nice.

So, if this is a "money grab" what are all of the other tournaments throughout the year? All of these tournaments are in it for the money, which is fine. They have bills to pay like the rest of us.

There have always been late winter tournaments that happen right before Spring season. Hogan's Spring Thaw, The March Kickoff Invitational, Spring Madness. Lots of teams want to get a couple games in before HoCo starts. I don't see what your issue is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/09/22 04:23 PM
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.

Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.

Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.

Good talk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/09/22 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.

Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.

Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.

Good talk.

Wow Dude, seems like you got some issues you need to work on. I didn't attack you personally, I just was just genuinely curious what your problems with the tournament were. Yet you think you have to attack me for some strange reason. Neither of my boys played at the last one, but I know people that did and they all had decent things to say about it.

You do raise a valid point that this format is not a pure "team event". Based on what i heard it was mostly paired down club teams, with a few groups of friends that decided to put a team together on their own. I can see your point, it's not the same as the other tournaments that I mentioned. But, my view is that any time the boys can get on the field or floor, compete and have some fun is good day for lacrosse.

That said, I'm gonna guess you have some personal issue with the event organizer and/or you are one of those guys that peaked in High School and is now old and bitter because things aren't like the "good old days".

Or maybe you are one of those Box purists that cries like a baby if, God forbid, some other format that kinda looks like Box, pops up. For the record both of my Son's have been playing on box teams for years. They love it and have become better field players because of it.

And nope, they don't play on any special teams. They play for one outdoor club team year round, a box club in the winter and maybe attend one camp in the summer. Nice try though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/10/22 01:00 PM
Well thats fair. My reaction is one that comes from
Seeing our sport go down the tubes. A non team event (distraction) right before the season is absolutely a money grab. Most of the time it’s some parent who grabs who they think is the best of the best (often creating drama) to go play in this is the last thing a team needs. Pair that with the reality that they just did one at the end of the fall and it’s clearly a money maker. Reading your response it felt you wanted to defend it, but maybe ugh just wanted to understand it.

Good for you if your bucking the select/national stuff. It’s diluting our sport with kids who think they are actually special but really they are just the first kid to say yes who’s parents are willing to drop major money for you to feel like your on the best team. Their is no loyalty on those teams, they aren’t the same event to event. But they still get ranked.

Parents are the problem. Someone tells them little Johnny is special and bam, here’s 4K. Whatever. It’s is what it is. Sucker parents everywhere.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/10/22 02:47 PM
Agree on National tournaments…massive expense…little outcome. However, you simply can’t put Elite6 in the same category. Not a money grab at all. The cost per player is less than most 1 hour clinics led by a PLL player running tired drills who spends more time on autographs. My kid played Elite6 and loved it. He got more reps in 3 hours than he does in most traditional tournaments. General consensus from everyone I spoke with was just that. It’s not about making sure Johnny feels special, I simply saw high level Lacrosse being played at a pace you rarely see. In my view, that is not a money grab or a bad thing if we want our kids to develop.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/10/22 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.

Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.

Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.

Good talk.

You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/11/22 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.

Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.

Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.

Good talk.

You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...

Well #1 pretty much all youth sports (beyond rec) is a money grab. People get mad at True Inc. monetizing everything (and I'm not a fan), but we all know it's just transparent in terms of what they are doing. Pay more money for more opportunities. Most clubs/teams/events are too shy to say it.

#2 All the extra events do serve a purpose, especially for the large group of players with natural talent and no discipline who (more or less) refuse to work out independently from 4th-8th grade. How much wall ball or shooting did your son get in, in January when it was 11 degrees outside? It gets them on the field, gets them reps, and Dad pays for it. Making it no different than the rest of club lax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/11/22 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well thats fair. My reaction is one that comes from
Seeing our sport go down the tubes. A non team event (distraction) right before the season is absolutely a money grab. Most of the time it’s some parent who grabs who they think is the best of the best (often creating drama) to go play in this is the last thing a team needs. Pair that with the reality that they just did one at the end of the fall and it’s clearly a money maker. Reading your response it felt you wanted to defend it, but maybe ugh just wanted to understand it.

Good for you if your bucking the select/national stuff. It’s diluting our sport with kids who think they are actually special but really they are just the first kid to say yes who’s parents are willing to drop major money for you to feel like your on the best team. Their is no loyalty on those teams, they aren’t the same event to event. But they still get ranked.

Parents are the problem. Someone tells them little Johnny is special and bam, here’s 4K. Whatever. It’s is what it is. Sucker parents everywhere.

Sorry your son got cut from Nationals.

What's crazy talk is thinking that the MD club lacrosse scene is somehow really doing favors for young athletes. Or that it's not a money grab. Or that HoCo is the most important thing ever.

Nobody at 9th grade tryouts will ask how your son did in HoCo the previous year or the previous five years. HoCo is lots of fun but it is a manufactured priority for youth lax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/12/22 12:43 PM
First if all. It’s hilarious that you even think Nationals makes cuts. They are the biggest money grab of them all. Rarely the same roster. Poaches kids from tourneys they are actively playing in during the event. Let’s kids play in events even though they aren’t full paying team members…but swears it’s only a one time thing. But then those same kids do it three more times. All the while, y’all stunands are paying 4K to be told your kid is on the best team in the country, but they only ever play in crappy NXT events. Gimme a break.

Your right about hoco though. I’ll give you that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/15/22 04:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well thats fair. My reaction is one that comes from
Seeing our sport go down the tubes. A non team event (distraction) right before the season is absolutely a money grab. Most of the time it’s some parent who grabs who they think is the best of the best (often creating drama) to go play in this is the last thing a team needs. Pair that with the reality that they just did one at the end of the fall and it’s clearly a money maker. Reading your response it felt you wanted to defend it, but maybe ugh just wanted to understand it.

Good for you if your bucking the select/national stuff. It’s diluting our sport with kids who think they are actually special but really they are just the first kid to say yes who’s parents are willing to drop major money for you to feel like your on the best team. Their is no loyalty on those teams, they aren’t the same event to event. But they still get ranked.

Parents are the problem. Someone tells them little Johnny is special and bam, here’s 4K. Whatever. It’s is what it is. Sucker parents everywhere.

Sorry your son got cut from Nationals.

What's crazy talk is thinking that the MD club lacrosse scene is somehow really doing favors for young athletes. Or that it's not a money grab. Or that HoCo is the most important thing ever.

Nobody at 9th grade tryouts will ask how your son did in HoCo the previous year or the previous five years. HoCo is lots of fun but it is a manufactured priority for youth lax.


Although you make some valid points, you’re off the mark with respect to the HOCO league. The team costs are reasonable and there is no other youth league in the US with number and quality of club lacrosse teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/17/22 10:01 AM
It’s definitely not a money grab. It did destroy rec in many parts of the state. Which makes it harder and harder for less fortunate kids to pick up a stick. In New York they don’t have a “club season” so rec is still really strong. Then they all go okay for their summer travel team. That would be a better situation
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/24/22 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone playing in the Elite6 tournament on February 26th at Blandair Park in Columbia?

Did this thing get canceled? 2 days out and no schedule posted....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/25/22 06:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.

Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.

Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.

Good talk.

You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...

National teams are good for kids to meet other kids from different states that maybe they will meet in college down the line or just become friends with through social media. It can also allow for kids to travel and play in different states. If the parents want to spend money for that so be it. No need to garbage on Kids for wanting to play on these teams or the parents for being able to pay for them to play on them. And not all kids are invited to play on national teams, they do not accept every kid trust me.
Apex that the PLL is associated with is similar to national teams. Just a fun time to play with and against different kids. Lighten up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/25/22 01:52 PM
Not canceled. Poster on 2028 board mentioned a handful of teams competing at that age group, including Hawks, FCA, Next Level
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/25/22 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.

Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.

Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.

Good talk.

You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...

National teams are good for kids to meet other kids from different states that maybe they will meet in college down the line or just become friends with through social media. It can also allow for kids to travel and play in different states. If the parents want to spend money for that so be it. No need to garbage on Kids for wanting to play on these teams or the parents for being able to pay for them to play on them. And not all kids are invited to play on national teams, they do not accept every kid trust me.
Apex that the PLL is associated with is similar to national teams. Just a fun time to play with and against different kids. Lighten up.

Thanks Director and friends. Who is saying anything about kids? It is about money and parents who are gullible to every National Team wind that blows by
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/25/22 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.

Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.

Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.

Good talk.

You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...

National teams are good for kids to meet other kids from different states that maybe they will meet in college down the line or just become friends with through social media. It can also allow for kids to travel and play in different states. If the parents want to spend money for that so be it. No need to garbage on Kids for wanting to play on these teams or the parents for being able to pay for them to play on them. And not all kids are invited to play on national teams, they do not accept every kid trust me.
Apex that the PLL is associated with is similar to national teams. Just a fun time to play with and against different kids. Lighten up.

Thanks Director and friends. Who is saying anything about kids? It is about money and parents who are gullible to every National Team wind that blows by

It's ridiculous to think that these teams have zero value for the kids. Now........are they cost effective compared to something else you could be doing for your kid (paid tutor, speed training, second club sport, etc)? That is an actual debate.

And if you don't have the money for any of those things, or you think investing in your kid beyond "living in a good school district" is just "gullible," I guess there you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/25/22 09:34 PM
Not enough 2029 teams in the sixes event this weekend.......our team got a call last night offering a free slot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 02/26/22 04:35 PM
On another note. I’m hearing the crabs mustered up a 2029 team. Anyone know if that is true?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/01/22 06:32 AM
Fake News.....heard that's not true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/01/22 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On another note. I’m hearing the crabs mustered up a 2029 team. Anyone know if that is true?

Yes, it's made up of the players kids on the Crabs 24, 25, 26 teams, some proud dads on those teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/02/22 03:41 PM
Ha! Crabs are def the team who would pull that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/02/22 04:28 PM
Yes, it's made up of the players kids on the Crabs 24, 25, 26 teams, some proud dads on those teams.


Did your older son get cut from Crabs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/05/22 08:44 PM
Heard the Crabs 2029 team is actually the Cavs 2029 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/07/22 02:12 PM
Who’s at spring thaw this weekend? Looks like some interesting matchups
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/07/22 02:28 PM
Crabs def fielding a team at thaw. Just saw them on the schedule.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/14/22 12:48 AM
Accurate. Crabs merged with cavalier? To form a 2029 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/14/22 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Accurate. Crabs merged with cavalier? To form a 2029 team?

Crabs *purchased* Cav Lax Club.

As a reminder, Crabs also owns VLC.

If I were King Krab and I was faced with having to assemble a "Maryland team" for some events or one season, this is exactly how I'd pull that off. Very important for maintaining the brand prior to tryouts in 4 months.

Before anybody balks at this, Baltimore 2028-29 last year had 5-7 kids (best players on the team) from the not yet created True VA team. And several teams in HoCo last year in the 2026-2028 age groups had kids playing from NC, TX, WV, northern PA and others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/14/22 12:27 PM
Your post doesn’t make any sense. The last part. About balking.

What are you trying to say? That last years 28/29 team (there was no crabs combo team, and if anything it was a 27/28 team given they had several kids come down from the 27’s last year.).

And are you saying that the best players went to true Virginia? Re read your post and then re write it if you don’t mind. It’s hard to follow. But now we want to know what the heck your taking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/22 01:44 AM
When your team folds because of poor coaching, poor culture, and because everyone sees that you won't represent actual players in your community in the long run and only bring in National players.........you just buy another program 80 miles away and tank that one as well. Right?? Feel bad for all the families / players of Cavalier who got hood winked by James Cramp.



Crabs Lacrosse Expands Network via Partnership with Cavalier Lacrosse Club

Top lacrosse clubs in Northern Virginia to join forces

Baltimore Lacrosse Club (Crabs) is pleased to announce a new partnership with the Boys division of the Cavalier Lacrosse Club. This partnership joins two of the top clubs in Virginia together under the Virginia Lacrosse Club (VLC) name. The addition of the Cavalier Lacrosse Club to Crabs’ nationwide network of affiliates continues to expand the Baltimore powerhouse’s national reach, tapping into one of the top providers of youth lacrosse in Virginia. The Cavalier Girls division remains intact and is not included in this deal.

Cavalier Lacrosse, led by boys’ lacrosse director James Cramp, has a footprint that extends throughout Northern Virginia, into West Virginia and the suburbs of the District of Columbia. Cavalier Lacrosse athletes will have access to the Crabs nationally recognized programming for development and exposure via elite travel team participation and attendance at the most prestigious tournaments and showcases throughout the USA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/22 01:54 PM
Thoughts?? HOCO

2029 Elite 2029 AAA 2029 AA 2029 A
Madlax Capital Wolfpack Koopers Zingos
Team 91 Baltimore Swarm Madlax DMV Rockfish
Next Level FCA Team Maryland ALC Bay Raiders
VLC See HoCo Predators VLC Poon
Bethesda Blue Carroll Manor Sidewinders True Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks Cannons Select HLC Ville
True Annapolis VLC Laytonsville Hippos
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/22 01:56 PM
2029 Elite 2029 AAA 2029 AA 2029 A
Madlax Capital Wolfpack Koopers Zingos
Team 91 Baltimore Swarm Madlax DMV Rockfish
Next Level FCA Team Maryland ALC Bay Raiders
VLC See HoCo Predators VLC Poon
Bethesda Blue Carroll Manor Sidewinders True Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks Cannons Select HLC Ville
True Annapolis VLC Laytonsville Hippos
LTLC TRUE KP


***Cut off LTCL and TRUE KP
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/22 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2029 Elite 2029 AAA 2029 AA 2029 A
Madlax Capital Wolfpack Koopers Zingos
Team 91 Baltimore Swarm Madlax DMV Rockfish
Next Level FCA Team Maryland ALC Bay Raiders
VLC See HoCo Predators VLC Poon
Bethesda Blue Carroll Manor Sidewinders True Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks Cannons Select HLC Ville
True Annapolis VLC Laytonsville Hippos
LTLC TRUE KP


***Cut off LTCL and TRUE KP

Quoting to try to make readable
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/15/22 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your post doesn’t make any sense. The last part. About balking.

What are you trying to say? That last years 28/29 team (there was no crabs combo team, and if anything it was a 27/28 team given they had several kids come down from the 27’s last year.).

And are you saying that the best players went to true Virginia? Re read your post and then re write it if you don’t mind. It’s hard to follow. But now we want to know what the heck your taking about.

My bad....typo. "True Baltimore" not "Baltimore."
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/18/22 03:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On another note. I’m hearing the crabs mustered up a 2029 team. Anyone know if that is true?

Yes, it's made up of the players kids on the Crabs 24, 25, 26 teams, some proud dads on those teams.


LOL!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/19/22 03:20 AM
Haha! Crabs. Epic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/23/22 06:35 PM
First week matchups?????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 03/28/22 02:41 AM
Scores from the weekend:
Madlax over Next Level (12-8)
Bethesda over Team 91 (13-5)
VLC Crabs over True Annapolis (8-7)
Hawks over LTLC (8-4)
FCA over VLC (13-0)
HOCO over Wolfpack (3-2)
True KP over Team Money (13-2)
Team Maryland over Carroll Manor (13-8)

Any surprises? LTLC played Hawks pretty close.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/03/22 11:18 PM
Elite has all good teams. LTLC is a sleeper, but may struggle being new. Went from AA to Elite in one year. 24-1 last season losing to a AAA team in the championship of the last game. All true 2029's. Other teams have many hold old back players. Don't really get the philosophy on that but I don't make the rules. It will be a good test for all teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/05/22 12:52 PM
What teams have many holdbacks?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/05/22 01:48 PM
Hawks always have holdbacks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/05/22 05:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What teams have many holdbacks?

Hawks, Madlax, next level, fca, true Annapolis and the crabs. I’m sure I missed a few, but you get where I am going with this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/05/22 07:31 PM
Do the hawks have holdbacks on their 2029 team????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/05/22 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do the hawks have holdbacks on their 2029 team????
Is a frog’s butt watertight?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/05/22 11:59 PM
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 02:17 AM
I wouldn't necessary fault a club for having "holdbacks" on their roster. If two good holdback players show up to "LTLC" club tryouts, they are going to say we don't want you because they are a "holdback". I think any team will take holdbacks....it's just that they tend to migrate to the more talented programs based on reputation of winning (Hawks, Crabs, FCA, 91, etc.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 02:34 AM
Check out next level #3, the car he drives is awesome!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 02:49 AM
So what's going on over at Team 91? Got an email today about having "supplemental" tryouts for the 2029 and 2030 teams this coming weekend....during the middle of the spring season?

Is this a desperate attempt to find some unhappy players from other squads after the first two weeks? Both teams have limited rosters and neither team should be in the elite division after getting outscored 2029's (5-27) and 2030's (6-22). I would feel terrible for current players and families who went all in with them. "Top 10 program".....what a joke!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what's going on over at Team 91? Got an email today about having "supplemental" tryouts for the 2029 and 2030 teams this coming weekend....during the middle of the spring season?

Is this a desperate attempt to find some unhappy players from other squads after the first two weeks? Both teams have limited rosters and neither team should be in the elite division after getting outscored 2029's (5-27) and 2030's (6-22). I would feel terrible for current players and families who went all in with them. "Top 10 program".....what a joke!

I think it's an honest attempt by the coaches to pull in talent. Last summer the 91 tryouts at those age groups were poorly attended, not surprised they are small rosters.

And they did this with the 2028s last year, so it's not a one-off tactic.

Some key things about 91:
1) Millon wants all the kids to play at the highest level.
2) They really do try to develop players at the youth level, and as kids fall behind, they don't get playing time and they just go to other clubs
3) They will never say no to a talented player who wants to join mid-year, or for tournaments only. This means your kid could play less and less as the lax year progresses (he may start in the fall, be 2nd line during HoCo, and be relegated to "practice team" for summer tournaments, as the roster swells from 19 to 26 to 30).

You would think this would translate to short term success on the field but it does not. What it does accomplish is to provide substantial funding to T91 to run its (actually elite) high school programs. Ask former 91 parents why they left and I think you get a pretty clear picture of why the teams can't build and retain talent at the youth level. I think the 2029 squad lost 15-16 players from last year's roster. Ask those folks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 03:39 PM
Really? You know that? Because I’m pretty sure your are 100% wrong. But you seem like a smart person. So we should all just trust you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
Not accurate. Not even close. Kid is 13, which is a single holdback.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 05:37 PM
29 madlax and BLC have no holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 05:57 PM
Hawks are the oldest 2029 team. Just like their 2028 team.

If history holds they’ll add maybe 4-5 more holdbacks after this season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
29 madlax and BLC have no holdbacks.

give them time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? You know that? Because I’m pretty sure your are 100% wrong. But you seem like a smart person. So we should all just trust you.

Whatever you say, Neck Veins, Esq. Nobody knows what post you are even talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? You know that? Because I’m pretty sure your are 100% wrong. But you seem like a smart person. So we should all just trust you.

Whatever you say, Neck Veins, Esq. Nobody knows what post you are even talking about.


Responding to the person who says hawks are the oldest team and that they have holdbacks. But I do like the new nick name. Solid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/06/22 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.


So he’s on a 2028 team which is supposed to be 11-12 year olds and has been 13 since at least this fall. Which means he is a late birthday who also held back. Got it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/07/22 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.


So he’s on a 2028 team which is supposed to be 11-12 year olds and has been 13 since at least this fall. Which means he is a late birthday who also held back. Got it.

I agree it's ridiculous but honestly...it means he's not technically a double holdback and he's not (quite) 14. So move along.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/07/22 03:56 AM
“I agree it's ridiculous but honestly...it means he's not technically a double holdback and he's not (quite) 14. So move along.”

This should not be allowed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/07/22 10:10 AM
If you're on here whining about holdbacks there is a 100% your kid's team just got beat. Also a pretty good chance your kid is not that good, which is why you feel the need to complain about kids who may only be 4-6 months older than your son, but are bigger, stronger, and more talented.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/07/22 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you're on here whining about holdbacks there is a 100% your kid's team just got beat. Also a pretty good chance your kid is not that good, which is why you feel the need to complain about kids who may only be 4-6 months older than your son, but are bigger, stronger, and more talented.

Says the double holdback parent? Or soon to be as they realize the advantages!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/07/22 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you're on here whining about holdbacks there is a 100% your kid's team just got beat. Also a pretty good chance your kid is not that good, which is why you feel the need to complain about kids who may only be 4-6 months older than your son, but are bigger, stronger, and more talented.

Ugh, quit it. Facts:

1) The holdback situation is ridiculous, unsportsmanlike at the youth level (age 6-14), and indefensible. And not allowed in other sports. Stop defending it.
2) It is firmly entrenched and so unless your oldest kid is a 2032 or younger, there is zero chance it gets fixed before your kid graduates. So get over it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/07/22 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.


So he’s on a 2028 team which is supposed to be 11-12 year olds and has been 13 since at least this fall. Which means he is a late birthday who also held back. Got it.

I agree it's ridiculous but honestly...it means he's not technically a double holdback and he's not (quite) 14. So move along.[/quote]

It never ends and skill is the ultimate determination of long term success and matriculation. When the proud parents of their freshman starting at attack in HS watch him being carted off the field after being lit up by that almost 20 year old PG who is a full grown man, think back to worrying about only a 1 year difference. Lax will never change the rules, the money is tied to the scholastic system.
Posted By: LaxMom5 Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/09/22 02:12 PM
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/09/22 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by LaxMom5
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating


I genuinely understand when a late summer (July/august) kid is held back at kindergarten or whatever. But is that same kid then holds back in 5th grade or somewhere else then there parents clearly have issues. That’s basically what this kid on 2028 madlax did. It’s grotesque to be honest. And super sad. I saw that kid play a couple weeks ago. He’s so clearly way ahead of every other kid in terms of maturity. Like what is this even teaching him? It’s just weird. Plus, he doesn’t even make that team elite.

He should go play 2027 and get better playing against tougher competition…if his parents care about his future at least
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/09/22 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by LaxMom5
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating

Correct - Additionally, in HS it’s expected to complete against different grades/ages. In youth is pathetic and lame.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/10/22 08:53 PM
I completely agree. Parents holding back kids after Kindergarten are doing them a disservice. It's a selfish act when a CHILD is held back for a parent's and/or coaches beneficial gain wether it be for a scholarship or $$$$. When a CHILD is held back in school it is for academic reasons meaning they are not able to perform at their age and need additional assistance and time in achieving their academic milestones. When a CHILD is held back to create an advantage you are establishing a huge academic gap. Suddenly, your kid is referred to as the "dense" kid in school because he is older than everyone else and has "failed" in the education. While it might not be true, this is how school works. I have been hearing this for over 20 years in the educational field and hear from students all the time.

Also if your kid is so good by being held back them he must not be that good to play at his current age. If he is that good move him up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/10/22 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LaxMom5
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating


I genuinely understand when a late summer (July/august) kid is held back at kindergarten or whatever. But is that same kid then holds back in 5th grade or somewhere else then there parents clearly have issues. That’s basically what this kid on 2028 madlax did. It’s grotesque to be honest. And super sad. I saw that kid play a couple weeks ago. He’s so clearly way ahead of every other kid in terms of maturity. Like what is this even teaching him? It’s just weird. Plus, he doesn’t even make that team elite.

He should go play 2027 and get better playing against tougher competition…if his parents care about his future at least

100000%
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/10/22 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 02:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029


Just to reiterate on age will be 12 in the fall….the madlax kid will be 14….pretty disturbing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029


Just to reiterate on age will be 12 in the fall….the madlax kid will be 14….pretty disturbing

Exactly, I think he’s missing that point
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 01:24 PM
There are 13 year olds playing on NL 2028 and a sizeable portion of the Hawks 2028 are or will very soon be 13. There is one 13 year old on ML who has been on the team 3 years. Same with BLC 2028. Big whoop. There is a hold back thread to discuss this issue. You should go there to complain or play rec. Nobody cares except the bench warmer dads.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 01:33 PM
Anyway. Let’s talk about something else. Clearly the “holdback apologists” (hold back daddies) will always defend their living vicariously through their kid.

Through three. What are the best situations at the following positions

Goalie: NL? Or Hawks? Both are real good
Defense (whole unit) Madlax
Attack (whole unit) madlax
Midfield (whole unit) Hawks (NL CLOSE SECOND)
Faceoff: hawks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 03:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.

100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up


He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.

That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029


Just to reiterate on age will be 12 in the fall….the madlax kid will be 14….pretty disturbing

Dude… in September, on-age kids will be turning. And the kid you reference will still be 13. For another 3 months. So just stop. He’s a legit one year holdback. For which there is another board. You’re making a fool of yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 04:30 PM
How about you complain about 2028 holdbacks on the 2028 string.... this is 2029
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about you complain about 2028 holdbacks on the 2028 string.... this is 2029

Give it time - plenty 28’s will be discussed here very soon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 08:36 PM
Is this lacrosse thing for you or your kid. Are making up for the glory you missed as a youth athlete. Relax. If you need a trophy to make you feel better I will be more than happy to make you one. Also many rec programs are folding because of how lacrosse is being structured. Many rec programs can't even field enough kids for two or three teams. Ps I will even let you pic what is says on the plaque.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 08:40 PM
I see many many "Al Bundy" parents in this thread. Reliving their glory days through their kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/11/22 10:58 PM
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................

Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:

ELITE DIVISION

Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.

Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.

Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.

AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.

Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???

Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.

Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 12:49 AM
I second that. Why have all the posts been about a 28 holdback?
Let’s talk 29’s in here !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 01:01 AM
holdback whiner needs to play rec, coach his kid up or enroll his son in soccer which is played by birth year. My 4 kids play from HS all the way down to the 31 age groups. This sorta crying has been happening for a decade!!

Let me be clear: club lacrosse is NEVER, EVER going to go by birth year.

So u are wasting time when we would rsther be talking about matchups, game highlights etc

Please go to the holdback thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 03:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 13 year olds playing on NL 2028 and a sizeable portion of the Hawks 2028 are or will very soon be 13. There is one 13 year old on ML who has been on the team 3 years. Same with BLC 2028. Big whoop. There is a hold back thread to discuss this issue. You should go there to complain or play rec. Nobody cares except the bench warmer dads.

Nah it’s the hold back dads that want the topic to go away because deep down your embarrassed you need to hold ya boy back
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 04:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................

Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:

ELITE DIVISION

Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.

Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.

Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.

AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.

Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???

Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.

Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.



Interesting analysis..........agree with most of the Elite Division analysis although I don't think LTLC will be able to hang with the big boys long term. It's the overally difference and commitment from CLUB to REC-CLUB. I predict Madlax to win it all.

For the AAA Division, I think FCA is the favorite from the games I saw thus far. Watch out for TRUE KP....improving and training hard.

My questions are:
1) Is the 2029 age group as a class weaker because of COVID or the starting effects of "rec-club"
2) When does "Daddy Coaching" end? Seems like all these younger aged teams have Dad as coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 11:01 AM
Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. [quote][/quote]

Why would BLC and Next Level morph together?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
holdback whiner needs to play rec, coach his kid up or enroll his son in soccer which is played by birth year. My 4 kids play from HS all the way down to the 31 age groups. This sorta crying has been happening for a decade!!

Let me be clear: club lacrosse is NEVER, EVER going to go by birth year.

So u are wasting time when we would rsther be talking about matchups, game highlights etc

Please go to the holdback thread


I am grateful for all the insane holdback parents. You are brining your dense kids so I don’t have to go through the hassle of playing my kid up! Thanks….I get to avoid all the years of paying for therapy for my kid. I imagine that is the calculation you all make….holdback to get a scholarship to offset therapy bills.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 11:57 AM
[quote=Anonymous]So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................

Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:

ELITE DIVISION

Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.


Shocker: madlax daddy gives them the slight edge! Joking….of course you do. You should! Those are your boys! It Should be a good one. Not sure those two have played a game that didn’t end in a one goal deficit since the beginning of 2021. Hawks have won every matchup except one I think (yes or no?)And considering how hard it is to beat a team two or even three times in a year I find it rather impressive that the hawks did it 6 or 7 times.

Both teams added talent if this board is accurate, and they played in the fall.

Goaltending: hawks
Defense madlax
Attack madlax
Midfield hawks
Faceoff hawks

I predict, another 1 goal street fight but unwilling to predict a winner. Can hawks win again? Probably. But so could madlax Who knows, tons of talent on those two teams.

Not sure it matters, except for playoff positioning…but it’s Gonna be awesome
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 13 year olds playing on NL 2028 and a sizeable portion of the Hawks 2028 are or will very soon be 13. There is one 13 year old on ML who has been on the team 3 years. Same with BLC 2028. Big whoop. There is a hold back thread to discuss this issue. You should go there to complain or play rec. Nobody cares except the bench warmer dads.

Nah it’s the hold back dads that want the topic to go away because deep down your embarrassed you need to hold ya boy back


Haha. Yup. Dudes just want the convo to go to the thread no one goes to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 01:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................

Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:

ELITE DIVISION

Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.

Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.

Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.

AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.

Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???

Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.

Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.



Interesting analysis..........agree with most of the Elite Division analysis although I don't think LTLC will be able to hang with the big boys long term. It's the overally difference and commitment from CLUB to REC-CLUB. I predict Madlax to win it all.

For the AAA Division, I think FCA is the favorite from the games I saw thus far. Watch out for TRUE KP....improving and training hard.

My questions are:
1) Is the 2029 age group as a class weaker because of COVID or the starting effects of "rec-club"
2) When does "Daddy Coaching" end? Seems like all these younger aged teams have Dad as coaches.

HoCo 5th grade level (2029s) has about 1/3 less teams than 5th grade last year (2028s). I think there are fewer "club-capable kids" to be honest, as the years go on. Peak was probably 2023-2026 classes. Lax is pretty saturated in MD-DC. The bottom half of the 2028 teams (shown as HoCo AA and A this year) are abysmal, and should be rec only. 2029 teams are looking the same way. Look at the awful product that some of the 2029 "elite" clubs are putting on the field. Unless your kid is in the top half of teams, you are getting worked for $1500 - 2500 per year.

As for the dad coaching, it is a question you should ask when your son tries out for a team. Some clubs love it because they can pay dads less money, in exchange for a guarantee their son makes the team. And then you'll see that the offense or defense works through their son almost exclusively.

Some clubs have a "no dad coaches" policy and that's where I focused my $$$$ with my older kids. Ask at (or before) tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/12/22 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................

Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:

ELITE DIVISION

Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.

Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.

Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.

AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.

Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???

Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.

Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.

re: True KP. , a coach can elect to be True by adding addition fee. Not sure exact amount, maybe $200. They get a extra training nights - goalie, faceoff, shooting, etc run by True coaches. The kids can also tryout for state/national teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/14/22 12:07 AM
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/14/22 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.

They aren’t fifth graders playing up. They are recent holdbacks who are on age for 2028 and extremely old for 29. But yes, they will dominate whenever they drop down as they are very good on the 28 level which is their on age level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/14/22 09:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.

Are they legit playing up or are they late summer birthdays who held back going into kindergarten….because they may be 2029 graduation classes but still technically holdbacks. I’m not saying that’s the case. I’m asking.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/14/22 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.

Are they legit playing up or are they late summer birthdays who held back going into kindergarten….because they may be 2029 graduation classes but still technically holdbacks. I’m not saying that’s the case. I’m asking.

This is a 2029 board and you people are deep into the "true holdback" nature of two kids who play in the 2028 division but happen to be fifth graders. I think we're through the looking glass on holdback talk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/14/22 03:20 PM
Looks like a good matchup after the break, who’s taking who? Hawks or madlax?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/15/22 07:22 PM
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/15/22 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
Well, considering there’s only been one season since 2019– you’re REALLY going out on a limb there buddy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/16/22 11:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.


So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/16/22 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.


So your going with Hawks next week. Check.

Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/18/22 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.


So your going with Hawks next week. Check.

Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.


One for madlax. Although that score seems a touch off considering these teams have played about ten straight one goal games including in the fall. But hey, we will see
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/24/22 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.


So your going with Hawks next week. Check.

Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.

Well apparently, the Hawks just reclassed their 6-0 tall goalie from ‘28 to ‘29… is this the same kid? He was already a beast at 2028. Or is this bad intel? Heck, I think he was playing 2028 starting this spring??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/24/22 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.


So your going with Hawks next week. Check.

Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.


Just checking to see how this post aged…….
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/25/22 12:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.


So your going with Hawks next week. Check.

Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.


Just checking to see how this post aged…….
Not as quickly as the 13 year old Hawks goalie!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/25/22 12:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.


So your going with Hawks next week. Check.

Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.


Just checking to see how this post aged…….
Not as quickly as the 13 year old Hawks goalie!!


As stated above. Same kid as always. Not a holdback.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/25/22 09:24 AM
1. Totally ridiculous to start spreading this rumor. Same goalie as the last three years. He’s a true 2029
2. He’s not even close to 6ft
3. He’s always been the best goalie in the division
4. It’s easy to make saves when you take crappy 12+ yard shots.
5. Instead of being bitter, offer up some respect to that kid.
6. If this (my third post refuting this subject) gets deleted again, it will be clear that this site is a madlax driven site.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/22 01:21 AM
No one believes a Hawk is a true “insert” any year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/22 01:31 AM
As predicted. Hawks rolled by Madlax D. #99 is tough to beat but Hawks rolled him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/22 02:33 AM
BIG WIN for the HAWKS this past weekend. Analysis after 4 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:

ELITE DIVISION

Front Runner: Hawks....they got it done once again 6-3 over Madlax. Didn’t get a chance to watch or hear about the game, but have to give them the clear top spot overall. What the Hawks secret sauce? Are they the top 2029 team in the country?

Middle Pack Tier 1: Madlax and Bethesda – Will be interesting to see how Bethesda responds to playing Annapolis. They had a lighter schedule on the front end, so they may be dropping some more. Madlax is a talented team, just wasn’t good enough to get it done this past weekend. Looking forward to seeing a rematch hopefully in the Championship Game.
Middle Pack Tier 2: Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC – Should be interesting to see these guys battle each other over the next few weeks. I have a feeling Next Level will rise to the top. Challenging schedule ahead for VLC (It’s about to get real!). Thought True would be better so far, maybe True is overtraining these 2029s?
Bottom Feeder: LTLC and Team 91 – LTLC has some talent, but this ain’t Rec – Club competition anymore. Welcome to the big leagues, but I admire them for playing Elite. They have some talent though and will be interesting to see if they can keep the band together. Team 91….aye aye aye…..just feel bad for this crew and culture (2029’s 0-4, 2030’s 0-5) and continuing to have supplemental tryouts during the season…..come on Millon.

AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA – Haven’t seem them play, but looks like they are ready to join Elite next year from looking at their scores / schedule. Will the shiny Orange Chrome MDLax look as shiny next year playing with the big boys and better competion?

Middle Pack: HOCO, Carroll Manor, Wolfpack, Team Maryland – HOCO and Wolfpack continue to battle and improve each week. Team Maryland looked good when I saw them play, but not sure what happened when they played FCA?? (Maybe missing some guys to spring break hopefully) Carroll Manor…great group of kids….have you ever heard a coach yell so much at 5th graders? Come on …..Seriously, could never let my son play for that group.

Bottom Feeder: Team Money, True KP, and VLC – All three continue to fight, but are just overmatched. A couple skilled players here and there, but not enough all-around depth to compete.

Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. Elite Final Four: Hawks, Madlax, Bethesda, Next Level. The same elite four….Hawks vs. Madlax in the championship. Overtime thriller…..Madlax prevails.

2. AAA Final Four: FCA, Team Maryland, HOCO, and Wolfpack. FCA vs. Team Maryland in the championship, and HOCO pulls off the upset of FCA in the finals.
3. Will be interesting to see if there are more “holdbacks” than normal in the 2028 group that would ultimately play 2029 next year. Will COVID cause more to look into that option as the 2029’s approach middle school?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/26/22 09:33 AM
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/29/22 02:37 AM
Just curious which of the top 2029 teams in Baltimore County have Dad coaches? Trying to avoid "daddy ball" for my son next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/29/22 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.


So what. Part of the game?! That’s like complaining about losing a basketball game because the other team got all of their free throws.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/29/22 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just curious which of the top 2029 teams in Baltimore County have Dad coaches? Trying to avoid "daddy ball" for my son next year.

Contracts are just starting to go out for many clubs. Honestly, there will be clearer answers to your question closer to July 1, when current parents at the clubs are asking "who are the coaches for next year" right before tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/30/22 02:50 AM
LTLC, True KP, Carroll Manor, and Wolfpack are all led by Dad coaches. Can’t say what clubs might fit that description until summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/30/22 03:03 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.


So what. Part of the game?! That’s like complaining about losing a basketball game because the other team got all of their free throws.

As fun as it is to push peoples buttons, it’s also cool to talk about how good both of these teams are. Look hawks are clearly the better team. They have beat madlax like 9 out of the last ten times. But both have great players.

In the fall hawks dominated the X. But madlax found a way to fight back this last game. Also, madlax rides as hard as hawks and both seem to put forth an emphasis on it.

The game was won between the lines. And we should all feel lucky that we get to watch these two teams battle for a few more years.

Kudos to both teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 04/30/22 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.


So what. Part of the game?! That’s like complaining about losing a basketball game because the other team got all of their free throws.

My kid plays for a less talented team then ML Cap 2029 and we have beaten ML 2029 because they are poorly coached around self control and penalties. Worried about the man-up goals? Don't cross check the other team's FOGO in the neck, in front of the ref, on a fast break that was headed for a nearly certain goal. "It was man up goals" is a new level of pathetic excuses for losing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/02/22 01:41 AM
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/02/22 11:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
How many 2028’s did the Hawks bring down this year? The 2028’s have brought down 7-8 the last 18 months or so…they’re presumably doing it this class as well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/02/22 03:10 PM
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/02/22 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
How many 2028’s did the Hawks bring down this year? The 2028’s have brought down 7-8 the last 18 months or so…they’re presumably doing it this class as well

You make it seem like hogan is out there pushing kids to move down. Which is ridiculous. Your forgetting that morning did some kids who were playing up come down to their age, but also the 28 hawks consumed the top end of a very competitive green hornets squad.

As for the 29’s you are reaching. Again, I Becuase losing hurts your feelings. So it must be the result of a massive holdback situation.

Sorry, just isn’t the case
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/02/22 11:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Who’s the goalie? He’s new, and about 6 feet tall. Was he the 2028?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/02/22 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
How many 2028’s did the Hawks bring down this year? The 2028’s have brought down 7-8 the last 18 months or so…they’re presumably doing it this class as well

You make it seem like hogan is out there pushing kids to move down. Which is ridiculous. Your forgetting that morning did some kids who were playing up come down to their age, but also the 28 hawks consumed the top end of a very competitive green hornets squad.

As for the 29’s you are reaching. Again, I Becuase losing hurts your feelings. So it must be the result of a massive holdback situation.

Sorry, just isn’t the case
If you’re telling me the 2028 Hawks are so good because of some Green Hornet adds, spare me. The Hornets were a 3rd or 4th level team. Not even remotely competitive with Elite teams. They dropped down 7-8 kids from 2027. FACT
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Who’s the goalie? He’s new, and about 6 feet tall. Was he the 2028?


Holy garbage, y’all are nuts. It’s the same true 29 goalie as the last several years. And he’s barely 5 ft if that. Y’all, are crazyyyyyyy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 03:10 AM
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.

Correct. That is a fact. However 2 of the four were playing up. So only two are holdbacks by definition and they are late summer birthdays.

Way different from the madlax 2028 who has been 13 since the fall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.

Correct. That is a fact. However 2 of the four were playing up. So only two are holdbacks by definition and they are late summer birthdays.

Way different from the madlax 2028 who has been 13 since the fall.

being born in June 2009 is not playing up to 2027. It's playing down. #facts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 02:14 PM
I wonder where the 9 players being displaced from 28’s went. I’m guessing not all to the B team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 02:28 PM
There's a 28 thread for all of this...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 03:08 PM
Agreed; but rest assured NO 2028 Hawks have or will drop down to 2029.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder where the 9 players being displaced from 28’s went. I’m guessing not all to the B team

Your guessing right. Except zero came to the 29 hawks. Most went B Team. Some stayed with Mesa and others went to FCA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed; but rest assured NO 2028 Hawks have or will drop down to 2029.


Challenge
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 07:49 PM
Wow, I didn't realize the Hawks had so many holdbacks? Makes sense now. They were always easy to be in the younger years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.

Correct. That is a fact. However 2 of the four were playing up. So only two are holdbacks by definition and they are late summer birthdays.

Way different from the madlax 2028 who has been 13 since the fall.

being born in June 2009 is not playing up to 2027. It's playing down. #facts
June 2009 Birthday is a 2027 class. After September 2009 is a 2028 class. FACTS
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 08:01 PM
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Yeah because 3/4 of the team has already dropped down from 2027. You’re really going out on a limb there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/03/22 08:29 PM
there is a 13 year old playing for ML 29?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/22 01:19 AM
4 out of a 21 player roster played on 2027 = 3/4 of the team dropping down from 2027... ugh, this is painful...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/04/22 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
there is a 13 year old playing for ML 29?


No the 28 ML team has a kid who has been 13 since the beginning of fall. For perspective. Most “holdbacks” at that age will be 13 at some point in the season. But most turn 13 mid or late season. This kid started the season at 13. He’s a late summer birthday who basically held back twice.

You gotta lay eyes on this kid. Hes 6ft 150, and fully developed. I can’t imagine he wouldn’t be a good player at the 2027 class to be honest.

But whatever. Is what it is. Hes their whole team though which is probably not good for his development.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/22 01:06 AM
Why is everyone arguing about 27s playing as 28s on the 29 forum?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/22 09:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is everyone arguing about 27s playing as 28s on the 29 forum?

Becuase someone accused the 29 hawks of having 28 holdbacks That came down as the result of 27’s holding back to 28. Meaning they then also must have pushed kids to also hold back to 29. They are stunands, bitter that the hawks didn’t do any of that but are still winning.

It’s crazy how bad lax parents are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/05/22 11:23 AM
because little timmy still isn't getting that stats quarter-zip dad expects so looks like they're moving all the way down to 29
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/06/22 12:41 PM
I like my quarter zip look. Makes me feel like a winner
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/22 11:48 AM
One, he was held back in kindergarten and two, he’s a 28. Every 28 will be 13 this year! I don’t think the decision was made for him for whatever reason. He’s not a reclass in the way the Hawks hold kids back for lax. Respect his shot or for you jealous dads, have your son work harder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/22 02:50 PM
Have your kid work harder IN SCHOOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/22 03:15 PM
There are 10+ players on hawks 28s born before 9/1/09.

The hawks 29 fogo was a 28 last year I believe for a different team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/22 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
One, he was held back in kindergarten and two, he’s a 28. Every 28 will be 13 this year! I don’t think the decision was made for him for whatever reason. He’s not a reclass in the way the Hawks hold kids back for lax. Respect his shot or for you jealous dads, have your son work harder.

Not every 28 will be 13 this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/07/22 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 10+ players on hawks 28s born before 9/1/09.

The hawks 29 fogo was a 28 last year I believe for a different team.


Mind ya business.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/08/22 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are 10+ players on hawks 28s born before 9/1/09.

The hawks 29 fogo was a 28 last year I believe for a different team.

That kid was playing up. Has always been plying up until now. Also not a fogo. Y’all are reachin now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/08/22 09:18 PM
Does anyone know who won the VLC/Next Level game from last Sunday? It’s not posted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/08/22 10:18 PM
NL 13-7 maybe
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/14/22 06:44 PM
Hawks lost their Faceoff guy I’m hearing. Could be in trouble!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/15/22 02:07 AM
Lost…like at the mall?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/15/22 02:10 AM
Did they lose him to a love of the culinary arts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/15/22 02:12 AM
I heard he he was lost to the dark side!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/15/22 03:04 AM
Actually every ‘28 will be 12 at best this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/15/22 04:36 AM
I heard he was found again by accepting Jesus as his lord and savior
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/15/22 05:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did they lose him to a love of the culinary arts?

I think I know where your going here. Funny
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/16/22 03:08 PM
When will HOCO playoffs times be announced? Any predictions now that the 2029 brackets are set?

2029 ELITE
#1 - HAWKS vs. #4 Bethesda
#2 - Madlax vs. #3 - Next Level

2029 AAA
#1 - FCA vs. #4 Wolfpack
#2 - Team Maryland vs. #3 - HOCO

Should be a fun weekend ahead!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/16/22 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When will HOCO playoffs times be announced? Any predictions now that the 2029 brackets are set?

2029 ELITE
#1 - HAWKS vs. #4 Bethesda
#2 - Madlax vs. #3 - Next Level

2029 AAA
#1 - FCA vs. #4 Wolfpack
#2 - Team Maryland vs. #3 - HOCO

Should be a fun weekend ahead!

Going to go out on a limb here as I think you will see some upsets in both.

ELITE
Hawks over Bethesda
Madlax over Next Level
Madlax over Hawks in Championships

AAA
FCA over Wolfpack
HOCO over Team Maryland
HOCO over FCA

I think in both cases, it's hard to beat the same team 3 times,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/16/22 07:59 PM
Any rumors on what Crabs is going to do to put together a 2029 team? Can't imagine they aren't going to, or try to pull over a bunch of guys. Some mentioned LTLC 2029 coaches going over, but not sure how accurate that is. Assuming because coach has a older son playing Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/16/22 08:20 PM
How did Bethesda get in over VLC and True Annapolis?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/16/22 09:51 PM
Believe it or not, there are a few 11 year old 5th graders playing at the Elite 2028 level. Eventually, they will need to move down. Instead of admiring these kids, everyone on this chat will go crazy with accusations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/17/22 09:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did Bethesda get in over VLC and True Annapolis?

Because at the elite level they take the top three and the worst team. Makes it more exciting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/19/22 07:13 PM
What ever happened to the old Koopers "Club League"??

I just happened to see that MYLA started a "Club Division" that has Baltimore teams like (LTLC, FCA, Koopers, HOCO, True) in it. I wasn't aware of this. Do you think more teams like Team 91, CRABS, etc. will play in it going forward?

I think at certain ages kids like getting two games in per weekend, however I know it can be a lot on families / coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/20/22 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What ever happened to the old Koopers "Club League"??

I just happened to see that MYLA started a "Club Division" that has Baltimore teams like (LTLC, FCA, Koopers, HOCO, True) in it. I wasn't aware of this. Do you think more teams like Team 91, CRABS, etc. will play in it going forward?

I think at certain ages kids like getting two games in per weekend, however I know it can be a lot on families / coaches.

That looks like a AAAAA division to me. Probably won’t see most elite teams joining in that one.

Can’t beat ‘em, make your own league…they have been trying to get this started for years
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/20/22 01:34 PM
yeah, the 13 yr old "elite" 2029 players have better things to do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/21/22 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah, the 13 yr old "elite" 2029 players have better things to do.

There's at least one 14 year old @ 2028 and multiple 16 year olds @ 2026, so this is hardly a unique problem, and while I find the situation pretty offensive, it's not even worth whining about anymore. If US Lax came out of the blue - today - and put in age-based lax, the first effective year would probably be for the 2033s.

So while you are not wrong to complain, probably time to move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/23/22 04:27 PM
Great wins this weekend by MADLAX (ELITE), FCA (AAA), and PREDS (AA). Congrats to all, now lets get ready for summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/23/22 07:38 PM
Congrats to ML 29, who managed the mild upset of the Hawks for the first time in a few games (4?). Great rivalry.

Taking nothing from ML but Hawks had some injuries, just could never get the offense going. The heat didn’t help.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - 05/23/22 08:29 PM
Thank god ML didn't play in the heat!
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