Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for Boys in the class of 2029 in the Mid-Atlantic region.
Looking for options for box lacrosse leagues/clinics for 2029 age group.
Thanks
Where are you? My son plays for the Warthogs. Love it.
Top Tier Is Gonna Be:
Hawks
Madlax
Next Level
BLC
Blue Claws
Cavalier
True
And LTLC Will Move Up To Take The Crabs Spot.
Top Tier Is Gonna Be:
Hawks
Madlax
Next Level
BLC
Blue Claws
Cavalier
True
And LTLC Will Move Up To Take The Crabs Spot.
Is going to be, Hawks dad, is going to be. Keep on Glen Burning.
There’s only 27 True teams so one of them is bound to be ranked
Got to watch some action on the 2029s today at the Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament which was a great fall event. Many teams seemed to be up and down on players throughout the day probably due to other sports conflicts. 100% expected in the fall.
Tier 1
Madlax - Great chemistry displayed throughout the event. Great offensive movement. Only going to get better and better.
Tier 2
BLC - Solid team with lots of all around talent. They were neck and neck with Madlax.
Next Level - A narrow loss to Madlax. Going to be awesome to watch Madlax, Bethesda, and Next Level slug it out all year long as they battle for NOVA.
FCA - Appeared to have a lot of new players. Held their own against BLC, but were short handed against Madlax. Will be interesting to see if they will gel, rise towards the top, or flop.
Tier 3
Predators - Saw a ton of Team 91 (MD) helmets on their roster. Only scoring 1 goal against upper level talent (Next Level, FCA) is not going to cut it. Reminder...first year team with tons of upside to grown and improve.
VLC - Brand new team, will look to develop as the season goes.
Got to watch some action on the 2029s today at the Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament which was a great fall event. Many teams seemed to be up and down on players throughout the day probably due to other sports conflicts. 100% expected in the fall.
Tier 1
Madlax - Great chemistry displayed throughout the event. Great offensive movement. Only going to get better and better.
Tier 2
BLC - Solid team with lots of all around talent. They were neck and neck with Madlax.
Next Level - A narrow loss to Madlax. Going to be awesome to watch Madlax, Bethesda, and Next Level slug it out all year long as they battle for NOVA.
FCA - Appeared to have a lot of new players. Held their own against BLC, but were short handed against Madlax. Will be interesting to see if they will gel, rise towards the top, or flop.
Tier 3
Predators - Saw a ton of Team 91 (MD) helmets on their roster. Only scoring 1 goal against upper level talent (Next Level, FCA) is not going to cut it. Reminder...first year team with tons of upside to grown and improve.
VLC - Brand new team, will look to develop as the season goes.
Moving FCA down a Tier might make sense based on the scores. VLC might deserve Tier 4 to themselves.
Got to watch some action on the 2029s today at the Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament which was a great fall event. Many teams seemed to be up and down on players throughout the day probably due to other sports conflicts. 100% expected in the fall.
Tier 1
Madlax - Great chemistry displayed throughout the event. Great offensive movement. Only going to get better and better.
Tier 2
BLC - Solid team with lots of all around talent. They were neck and neck with Madlax.
Next Level - A narrow loss to Madlax. Going to be awesome to watch Madlax, Bethesda, and Next Level slug it out all year long as they battle for NOVA.
FCA - Appeared to have a lot of new players. Held their own against BLC, but were short handed against Madlax. Will be interesting to see if they will gel, rise towards the top, or flop.
Tier 3
Predators - Saw a ton of Team 91 (MD) helmets on their roster. Only scoring 1 goal against upper level talent (Next Level, FCA) is not going to cut it. Reminder...first year team with tons of upside to grown and improve.
VLC - Brand new team, will look to develop as the season goes.
Moving FCA down a Tier might make sense based on the scores. VLC might deserve Tier 4 to themselves.
The only difference between Preds and VLC is that people expected/hoped Preds would flop out of the gate (which......more like they just reaffirmed they are not an elite club) and, the same people - with no evidence really - expected/hoped VLC would magically put a competent elite team together in 6 weeks, which they did not. Both are regional expansion teams and both had the same kind of day against elite/AAA competition. Both clubs will be fine at the 2029 level. Unless they think they are playing elite ball in the spring.
From what I heard, Preds 2029 is mostly Team 91 MD 2029s from last year as their coach left and came over? Any truth to that based on what you saw this weekend?
Where does that leave Team 91 MD this year?
The Team 91 2029s is almost a whole new team. Yes Preds 2029 is mostly the Team 91 from last year.
I am FCA 2029 dad. Our team is almost half Crabs kids, another half is the 29/30 FCA from last year and a couple others mixed in so it is very new. This weekend at Maryland Lacrosse Fall Tournament was their first games together. We did not even have a scrimmage before Madlax Capital got a chance to unload on us in the first game. Considering the second game was Bethesda Blue that was 5-2, it seems very good for the 2029 FCA moving forward. But only time will tell.
Tier 0 would be Annapolis Hawks by a long shot. Everybody starts a tier below them.
Madlax Cap 29 handily beat the Hawks for the NAL championship in a pretty much Madlax controlled game. Then Hawks won in Hershey in sudden death OT where Madlax Cap 29 was playing without their #1 defender. Pretty evenly matched team. Great kids on both.
DMV located, non-ML29 dad here. So take this for what it's worth.
I was fortunate enough to be able to watch the 29 NAL and Hershey games. With a full complement ML is pretty hard to beat at the moment, and as noted above the Hershey game was a barn burner. This will be a battle to watch for years to come...much like the other ML and Hawks age groups.
I would add that ML29s recruited two stud BLC kids (twins) this fall which has tightened up their already ridiculously strong defense even further and added new legs to the midfield.
Opponents should be prepared to play a club that has matured very quickly.
Limited experience in club lax but I’m gonna go ahead and presume hawks picked up a couple new toys also.
Gotta be honest, until 5th or 6th grade it seems like glorified bobble head ball anyway. The next two years will tell us who is what and the real story.
That said, the 29 pool was thin last year and I think (could be wrong) that the hawks beat ML like 5 out of 6 times. BLC 6 times or more. And next level several times (3-4 maybe).
Pretty hard to beat any good team twice in a year. Let alone 3-6 times. So you have to assume ML found a tendency and finally exposed it. Only to lose the next one.
Gonna be a VERY interesting season I’m thinking. And maybe we shouldn’t sleep on some of the others like true who was the best losing team in the 29 bracket last year.
And if BLC lost two studs, does someone leapfrog them?
Should be fun to see play out!
DMV located, non-ML29 dad here. So take this for what it's worth.
I was fortunate enough to be able to watch the 29 NAL and Hershey games. With a full complement ML is pretty hard to beat at the moment, and as noted above the Hershey game was a barn burner. This will be a battle to watch for years to come...much like the other ML and Hawks age groups.
I would add that ML29s recruited two stud BLC kids (twins) this fall which has tightened up their already ridiculously strong defense even further and added new legs to the midfield.
Opponents should be prepared to play a club that has matured very quickly.
Thanks twins dad
Anyone playing in the Elite Six Challenge next month outside of Annapolis? It is following the sixes format.. smaller field, smaller rosters, continuous play.. elitesixchallenge.com
Appears ML and Hawks may get a chance to see who got the better upgrades at NAL in a couple of weeks. Presuming they both win their pools
2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.
Seriously? I hope they aren't doing that in the other divisions. Are they Madlax boys?
Thanks, I’ve been thinking. There isn’t near enough trash talk on this thread. The other threads are embarrassed by us.
I've seen all 4 teams play. I haven't noticed 1 kid that fits that descriptio in terms of 27 grade, with size and athletic ability.
There are some kids that stick out skill wise but they are 28s.
Wow the 29 thread needs some pep.
I believe 2 of them were shamed out of going by their friends.
Cannot wait for lax to adopt the age standard over the grade standard! Talk amongst yourselves….
Any teams from LI good at this age group? No discussions at all. Maybe it’s a weak year for them.
I agree. Things started so well when non madlax dad slash madlax dad told everyone how much better they were. I’m going back to the 28 page to be entertained. This is lame
Best team I have seen is 91 pride. But there is a gap between them and the maryland teams.
Express I think lost to hawks by 10 at NAL not sure on that score. Igloo seems scrappy.
Not sure who else is even out there.
What teams are playing in Club Lax Nationals at Orlando on New Years at this age group?
Only madlax. To stroke their egos against terrible teams. True national will be the only true national will score a goal against them.
That 91 Pride team is ok. Should be much better. Lots of drama the past few years with so many daddy coaches like 8 or 9. Too many coaches on that sideline. The coaches looked confused and yelling in a blowout loss in the chip to a Nationals team with 3 subs including a goalie. Didn’t hear about them or see them this Fall, so who knows but 91 usually seems to figure it out.
That 91 Pride team is ok. Should be much better. Lots of drama the past few years with so many daddy coaches like 8 or 9. Too many coaches on that sideline. The coaches looked confused and yelling in a blowout loss in the chip to a Nationals team with 3 subs including a goalie. Didn’t hear about them or see them this Fall, so who knows but 91 usually seems to figure it out.
Let’s start this off like every other thread. The LI 2029’s are mostly 2011 birth years with a few post 9/1/2010. While the Maryland teams are mainly 2010’s some 2011’s and a few late 2009’s.
Sounds like a soured LI daddy who saw his son’s team get spanked against the MD teams. I know of plenty LI teams that have the same make up as MD teams up the ladder.
Sounds like a soured LI daddy who saw his son’s team get spanked against the MD teams. I know of plenty LI teams that have the same make up as MD teams up the ladder.
Ok holdback daddy
Wouldn’t you be confused and frantic if a team with two subs was playing make it take it and ramming it down your teams throat? 91 has a bunch of talent and bloodline though. Whole staff are former Hofstra guys and many who played in the MLL. They will be fine.
Still a huge gap between the two best teams (hawks and ML) from any team out there.
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.
If he plans him going D1! good luck with that
Wouldn’t you be confused and frantic if a team with two subs was playing make it take it and ramming it down your teams throat? 91 has a bunch of talent and bloodline though. Whole staff are former Hofstra guys and many who played in the MLL. They will be fine.
Still a huge gap between the two best teams (hawks and ML) from any team out there.
Seems like Madlax and Hawks have the best teams early then fade. My guess is their holdbacks lose their advantage once everyone goes through puberty.
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.
Please tell me this is a joke post. You are planning on holding back your fifth grader because you think that he needs the “edge” and “intends to go D1”? Dude, chilllll. Let it play out. Wayyyy to young to be thinking ahead that far.
Huge gap is spot on. That 91 Pride team seems to be average like that 2026 team they have which needed help from Machine kids to qualify for WS. Bloodlines and pro ball doesn’t always get passed down. This age group may not have any LI teams in the top 10 or 20 when rankings finally come out.
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.
Please tell me this is a joke post. You are planning on holding back your fifth grader because you think that he needs the “edge” and “intends to go D1”? Dude, chilllll. Let it play out. Wayyyy to young to be thinking ahead that far.
If they are going to hold the kid back, better to do earlier and get the benefits he mentioned. Earlier than 5th, like 1st is what I hear the calculating lacrosse families do. Get him an edge early on and don’t look back. Gives opportunity for 2nd holdback year later. This is sad…. But, it’s keeping up with the Jones’s in lacrosse! Rules should be changed to make it fair in youth ages. Parents wouldn’t feel pressure.
Wrong. Playing down will give him a false sense a confidence. Kids get better by playing up not down. If he is doing fine in school, let lacrosse play out. Odds are he won’t play D1 anyway.
Huge gap is spot on. That 91 Pride team seems to be average like that 2026 team they have which needed help from Machine kids to qualify for WS. Bloodlines and pro ball doesn’t always get passed down. This age group may not have any LI teams in the top 10 or 20 when rankings finally come out.
Let’s be very clear here. The rankings you mention are not age based it’s grade based, huge difference.
This response is hilarious. “When their holdbacks”. Dude, give it a rest. More like other teams start holding back and in some cases double holding back in 7th and 8th grade. Crabs are the most notorious. Still, I think hawks teams are literally all in the top ten except maybe one and most top 5. Could be wrong. I do not see madlax consistently in the top ten though.
Also, rec is still really strong in LI so I think club teams get better in middle school for them. Especially since most are summer clubs for the most part. Tourney teams. The Maryland and dc teams are year round and replace rec. so naturally they are better at earlier ages.
That’s why I say all the time, doesn’t matter how good your team/kid is in 3-7th grade. The holdbacks and LI teams who become more dedicated will be the great equalizer.
This response is hilarious. “When their holdbacks”. Dude, give it a rest. More like other teams start holding back and in some cases double holding back in 7th and 8th grade. Crabs are the most notorious. Still, I think hawks teams are literally all in the top ten except maybe one and most top 5. Could be wrong. I do not see madlax consistently in the top ten though.
Also, rec is still really strong in LI so I think club teams get better in middle school for them. Especially since most are summer clubs for the most part. Tourney teams. The Maryland and dc teams are year round and replace rec. so naturally they are better at earlier ages.
That’s why I say all the time, doesn’t matter how good your team/kid is in 3-7th grade. The holdbacks and LI teams who become more dedicated will be the great equalizer.
When it comes to holdbacks and double holdbacks the Maryland and Mass teams have a considerable amount more compared to the LI / NY state teams. It’s not even up for debate. You may detest the World Series or not but LI has proven when age based play is mandatory they’re dominating.
“That’s why I say all the time…” I have a take the other side of that statement, since your taking about how LI teams won’t be in the top 10 when the rankings come out.
Well I didn’t say that no LI teams would be ranked. I said none of it matters until the holdbacks (from any state) and the LI teams start becoming more dedicated to their club instead of rec.
That said 2029 won’t be ranked until fall of next year. So it’s a worthless convo. Not to mention the rankings are completely illegitimate anymore. They were already notIntelligent. But now that it’s 100% algorithm it’s a complete joke. I saw at one point several teams who don’t even compete at the “elite” level were ranked in the top ten.
Rankings don’t matter anyway. What happens when they actually play each other is what matters.
Well I didn’t say that no LI teams would be ranked. I said none of it matters until the holdbacks (from any state) and the LI teams start becoming more dedicated to their club instead of rec.
That said 2029 won’t be ranked until fall of next year. So it’s a worthless convo. Not to mention the rankings are completely illegitimate anymore. They were already notIntelligent. But now that it’s 100% algorithm it’s a complete joke. I saw at one point several teams who don’t even compete at the “elite” level were ranked in the top ten.
Rankings don’t matter anyway. What happens when they actually play each other is what matters.
You said may not be ranked in the top 10-20.
You keep contradicting yourself.
Long discussion with some lacrosse in the know people. Conclusion, Even tho son born in Oct and on age, Best recommendation is to hold him back now, not 8th grade , if he intends to go D1 . They said it is a no brainer. Hold him back or suffer later. Give him confidence plus he will get lots of playing time. He is starter now, but that shouldn't matter . He will be a great player next year. His grades are good now. My conclusion is to Hold him back and give him that edge. It seems like it is the way now with top players.
Please tell me this is a joke post. You are planning on holding back your fifth grader because you think that he needs the “edge” and “intends to go D1”? Dude, chilllll. Let it play out. Wayyyy to young to be thinking ahead that far.
If they are going to hold the kid back, better to do earlier and get the benefits he mentioned. Earlier than 5th, like 1st is what I hear the calculating lacrosse families do. Get him an edge early on and don’t look back. Gives opportunity for 2nd holdback year later. This is sad…. But, it’s keeping up with the Jones’s in lacrosse! Rules should be changed to make it fair in youth ages. Parents wouldn’t feel pressure.
I see no reason to not hold him back. Especially if he thinks he wants to play on a top club and has any chance to go D1 is there any other choice for the normal skilled good player. There are thousands like him on age, and an extra year puts him with the very good players of a year younger.
There needs to be a change of rules for youth, but I doubt that happens with Private schools loaded with holdbacks. So, hold them back for now, if you dont someone that has will fill your sons place unless he is some way above average player. Just the way it is
Someone else posted the comment about top 10-20. I was commenting on when I think everything will even out abs the real picture will emerge
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.
It maybe a tired topic for the holdback parents and others but it is very real. To be honest, I enjoy watching my son and his team play against holdbacks. Only making them better playing up.
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.
Relax holdback parent. No one will stop your son from playing down against kids a a few months to over a 18 months in age younger.
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.
He had a legitimate question with some comments. Holding back is a big part of this age group, as in the next few years many players will go that route.
There's a thread for this. Please take it there. It's such a tired topic.
He had a legitimate question with some comments. Holding back is a big part of this age group, as in the next few years many players will go that route.
It’s grade not an age group if it were we, and every other thread wouldn’t be discussing it.
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….
Maybe you and holdback daddy should take it to the holdback page and talk about how your 12 year olds play vs 10 year olds.
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….
Well, too bad. This subject belongs being discussed on all the youth age threads! It’s getting out of hand.
I’m with holdback daddy. There is a thread for this subject. Let’s get back to talking about how much better madlax and hawks are than the field. Am I right? No? I’m right….
Well, too bad. This subject belongs being discussed on all the youth age threads! It’s getting out of hand.
Agreed!
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.
Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.
Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.
Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?
Youth basketball is grade based too
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.
Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.
Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.
Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?
The most popular sport in the world is NOT garde based and it sure isnt in this country. It is by age with a Jan 1 to Dec 31 limit. Just like high level club Hockey is in most areas. So please stop the other sports are grade based excuse..
No major youth sport is grade based except lacrosse, which has the influence of the so called character based private schools dominating in many areas. It frankly is disgusting the amount of holdbacks playing down in youth lacrosse .
Ok we get it. That’s why it got its own thread. Because it’s a big issue.
But can we use class specific threads to discuss those teams? I don’t see anyone accusing any team in 2029 of having holdbacks here. So until then, why not discuss something positive?
Best goalie:
Best defense:
Face off man/men:
Attack units:
Midfield depth
Anything except complaining about holdbacks that haven’t happened yet. Lol
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.
Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.
Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.
Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?
Pipeline, Coppermine, Old Line etc are by birth year but by all means, carry on.
Never heard of any of them. Carry on.
12 versus 10? Isn’t that a double holdback? Look I get it. I agree that the holdback situation is lame. And lax has allowed it to get even more lame. But that subject covers ALL graduation classes. Which is why it has its own thread. I mean what are y’all thinking is gonna happen on this thread? That all those parents who are holding their kids back who are born March through June are going to have a crisis of conscience and run to their schools to re enroll their kids in 6th grade? Give it a rest.
Lax is not the only sport using graduation class by the way. Club soccer does it too. And hockey (I think). Let’s all just face it, club lacrosse has its positives but it also is ruining the sport in many ways. Rec is dying in most states making it almost impossible for new demographics to join the party. It’s an elitist sport more than ever. And elitist stop at nothing to win. Hence, holdback, double holdback etc.
Your kid plays a sport where you either gotta swim or sink.
Again, can this thread be about the 2029 boys lacrosse programs again?
Hockey is age based
Soccer is age based
Baseball is aged based
Football age based with weight restrictions
Lacrosse no rules
Like the LI teams don’t holdback their players…….it seems as all the top players in LI the past 5 or so years were holdbacks so stop crying LI daddys.
Seriously? I hope they aren't doing that in the other divisions. Are they Madlax boys?
Now I saw it. 2 gigantic kids playing today. They both had multiple goals and 1 team had the nerve to send the 27 out for a shootout. What recourse is there to complain without getting blackballed by Madlax?
Seriously? I hope they aren't doing that in the other divisions. Are they Madlax boys?
Now I saw it. 2 gigantic kids playing today. They both had multiple goals and 1 team had the nerve to send the 27 out for a shootout. What recourse is there to complain without getting blackballed by Madlax?
Nothing wrong with that , it is the way of the useless youth lacrosse rules enforced by nobody at this time. Crazy stuff.
Like the LI teams don’t holdback their players…….it seems as all the top players in LI the past 5 or so years were holdbacks so stop crying LI daddys.
Because, now LI has to keep up with the other regions who have been doing it forever!!!!! You know who you are!!!
Let’s take holdback conversation to it’s proper thread. Can we just discuss teams etc without mentioning holdbacks especially in 5th grade?’
So again. We’re still talking about holdbacks in a class that no one is currently claiming any holdbacks. Save this convo for the graduation classes that are actually doing it. You are complaining about an issue that isn’t an issue in 2029 right now. Christ man.
Someone say something about the actually lacrosse in this age group
I’ll start. Does anyone know if next level got any upgrades? They went to the ship last year, got smoked but they beat madlax to get there. Anyone know if they got better?
I'd like to know more abou the Madlax box league and just how many 27's are playing in a 5th and 6th grade division. So far, there are 2 and I know who they are and what rosters they are on.
Let’s take holdback conversation to it’s proper thread. Can we just discuss teams etc without mentioning holdbacks especially in 5th grade?’
No! Because it is a “real issue” even and if not more do in 5th grade. You sed the bigger players and a couple kids doing a little better than the rest? Probably not “on age”. Do, if you want we will not call it holdbacks and we can discuss “on age”! It’s the youth levels, that need to be fixed ti “on age”, do it furs to get out of hand later and then a kid is a 2 or 3 year hold back! It effects 5th graders and deserves ti be discussed here. Parents need to get the rules changed! Yiu want to change convo ? Maybe your kid a little older than the other 5th graders?
So again. We’re still talking about holdbacks in a class that no one is currently claiming any holdbacks. Save this convo for the graduation classes that are actually doing it. You are complaining about an issue that isn’t an issue in 2029 right now. Christ man.
Someone say something about the actually lacrosse in this age group
I’ll start. Does anyone know if next level got any upgrades? They went to the ship last year, got smoked but they beat madlax to get there. Anyone know if they got better?
Are all the kids on your kids 5th grade team “on age”? Staying back younger is even more important for the advantage. Get the advantage early on, go from there. Get on best teams, get noticed, play more, etc. More time to develop skills and confidence. Become a leader young is a clear advantage. I don’t think you like that discussion? Do you disagree being year older is an advantage in 5th grade?
I definitely agree. Do you consider kids who have late summer birthdays and parents who chose not to send them to kindergarten to be holdbacks? Those
Kids aren’t “a year” older. There is some grey area in this convo. One thing I have heard of that makes me Nauseous is that parents are holding back those kids after already not sending them in kindergarten. I heard some private schools are even seeking those kids out and suggesting it. It’s crazy.
I'd like to know more abou the Madlax box league and just how many 27's are playing in a 5th and 6th grade division. So far, there are 2 and I know who they are and what rosters they are on.
I don’t know anything about the Madlax league but in box playing up against older kids is rather normal.
I'd like to know more abou the Madlax box league and just how many 27's are playing in a 5th and 6th grade division. So far, there are 2 and I know who they are and what rosters they are on.
Terrible
Again, my point is that this is an important topic which is why it has its own thread.
But to your question above. I have no idea who is on age or whatever from either of my kids teams. But I do know there are no kids who held back to play on them. At least not yet.
There is gray area in this convo. Many parents don’t send their august baby to kindergarten becuase they feel they are not mature enough or ready. Some just don’t want them to be the youngest kid in the grade. But they certainly aren’t thinking at at 5 “this is really gonna help him in club lax in a few years”.
Of course I’m sure the thought of being the oldest instead of youngest gives them some security or something but it’s a far different convo from those who chose not to go to middle school and redo fifth grade just to reclass for sports. Even then, if your talking about a late summer birthday I can see why parents may do that.
That being said, I personally would not. And if my kid had a birthday in the middle before July I would never consider not sending them to kindergarten either.
But again. There’s a thread for this very important topic. I would love to actually hear about lacrosse teams soon.
A student isn't a holdback if they didn't repeat a grade and merely started kindergarten at an older age. And for that matter, why so hung up on the kids held back for athletics?
Yes they are. A holdback can be either a delayed entry or a repeat of a grade. It's a sin of the worst kind for anybody in the lacrosse world outside of NY. It's just a regular sin for those parents in the MD area whose kids play on the same team.
A student isn't a holdback if they didn't repeat a grade and merely started kindergarten at an older age. And for that matter, why so hung up on the kids held back for athletics?
I know a few lacrosse families , who plan this from the moment their kids are born. They know they will either start late or repeat early on. Easier that way and better to get the older advantage young when not so obvious. Nothing wrong with it. The argument has always been, should youth lacrosse change the rules to age based? This is a Relevant topic for all the youth age threads. As long as it’s allowed, it’s totally within the rules. It’s just that it’s becoming crazy. If a kid wants to play high level D1, at some point they will probably need to be staying back a year or two. Since it’s allowed, what’s the opinion on when the best time to do this to get the biggest advantage?
Hung up on it, because it’s getting a little out of hand. Also, it can be dangerous! It’s also elitist, as it’s an unfair advantage against those who can not afford the extra years” of private schooling!
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.
And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.
I agree with most of what you said here. But don’t know about that last statement. I’ve found that the kids who are holding back at the end of elementary school are talented and doing very well at the age they played until that point. Maybe undersized? Maybe they have the super late summer birthday and feel like they are closer to the level of the age below than the age above. Maybe it’s Becuase they want to destroy at the younger age and stroke their little egos. It could be a lot of things. I personally think a kid who was born in late august is the same as a kid born in early September. No real advantage by holding them back. And I have seen it where there is some expectation that holding back will pay major dividends and it really doesn’t. Eventually things start to even out.
My only personal beef is double holdbacks. Like the kid who has the late birthday holding back to a second level down. Which is 100% happening and usually around the end of middle school. And mostly with private school kids, who’s mommy and daddy want little Johnny to be the best. Becuase he deserves it, and mommy and daddy can afford to make it happen for them.
Lol at the guy who keeps saying there is a board for that talk - then continues to ramble post after post on this board.
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.
And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.
Your delusional. Its not a hypothetical sport to these families. The parents played it and multiple family members. They are “lacrosse families”! Teething rings are mini lacrosse sticks! They know they want little Johnny playing as well, even if little Johnny Doesn’t want to. He won’t know, as that is what his family does. These families are calculating benefits of extra years way early on. It’s not about size either. It’s about mental maturity and extra year of skills training. Guess what, that kid will be more advanced skill wise and prob. Be on the top teams early on. There is an advantage. They know it! I’ve seen this more than once… that’s why I think youth Lacrosse needs to be age based.
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.
And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.
Your delusional. Its not a hypothetical sport to these families. The parents played it and multiple family members. They are “lacrosse families”! Teething rings are mini lacrosse sticks! They know they want little Johnny playing as well, even if little Johnny Doesn’t want to. He won’t know, as that is what his family does. These families are calculating benefits of extra years way early on. It’s not about size either. It’s about mental maturity and extra year of skills training. Guess what, that kid will be more advanced skill wise and prob. Be on the top teams early on. There is an advantage. They know it! I’ve seen this more than once… that’s why I think youth Lacrosse needs to be age based.
All sports should be age-based.
If you want it any other way, you are a defective and obviously can't compete and need an advantage.
There is no logical defense of class-related sports. It started because of early, middle-school-aged recruiting. Now early recruiting is gone.
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.
I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?
You cannot conflate the two, at least not in this setting. Parents are usually making the call to start their child in kindergarten at a certain age because of their level of readiness not that it might give them a possible advantage in a hypothetical sport they may play in the future.
And age does not automatically give an advantage I’ve seen plenty of younger age squads run older teams right off the field. And the ones that do get held back specifically for sports is typically because their game is missing something.
Your delusional. Its not a hypothetical sport to these families. The parents played it and multiple family members. They are “lacrosse families”! Teething rings are mini lacrosse sticks! They know they want little Johnny playing as well, even if little Johnny Doesn’t want to. He won’t know, as that is what his family does. These families are calculating benefits of extra years way early on. It’s not about size either. It’s about mental maturity and extra year of skills training. Guess what, that kid will be more advanced skill wise and prob. Be on the top teams early on. There is an advantage. They know it! I’ve seen this more than once… that’s why I think youth Lacrosse needs to be age based.
All sports should be age-based.
If you want it any other way, you are a defective and obviously can't compete and need an advantage.
There is no logical defense of class-related sports. It started because of early, middle-school-aged recruiting. Now early recruiting is gone.
Totally agree. My kid has an April 2nd birthday so I vote for an April 1 cutoff.
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.
I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?
Soon to be more! If it benefits the kid dominating and no rules against it. I’m sure MD has more double, LI will catch up.
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.
I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?
Soon to be more! If it benefits the kid dominating and no rules against it. I’m sure MD has more double, LI will catch up.
More than you would think. Probably 5-7 players every year in the 8th grade of HoCo. That's just in elite but I don't know about the lower divisions (AAA, AA...) probably fewer.
So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?
Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.
So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?
Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.
Why are you so Invested in caring about what other families do with their Children?
hahahaha. It's a FORUM where things are discussed, over-analyzed, and judged! So asking why someone would set their kid back two grades is fair game.
hahahaha. It's a FORUM where things are discussed, over-analyzed, and judged! So asking why someone would set their kid back two grades is fair game.
We know why they do it, the question is… why is it allowed?
It might not be hypothetical to the family but it absolutely is to child. Not every kid is automatically anointed a stud because of their pedigree or extra coaching their parents provide to them. I've seen more than a few kids who've come from lacrosse families who just weren't that dominate. And to your point, they were on the better teams with the best coaching. And I am guessing their name or parent connections had gotten them to that point.
I've never seen a double holdback, however, is that that common?
Soon to be more! If it benefits the kid dominating and no rules against it. I’m sure MD has more double, LI will catch up.
More than you would think. Probably 5-7 players every year in the 8th grade of HoCo. That's just in elite but I don't know about the lower divisions (AAA, AA...) probably fewer.
Dad of older lax players here..........it's fewer but not zero in AA and AAA. The general model for holdbacks is that the kid would be a starter at his on-age AA or AAA team (which is equivalent to being deep in the roster on an Elite team. The extra year makes him a starter on an Elite team or even a featured offensive player.
To the extent this is done for the holdback A, AA, and AAA players, it's more complicated, and often has a component of maturity, behavioral issues, level of academic "self accountability" etc. Essentially, Jordan Landon VIII doesn't quite have the skills to play elite on-age, and in addition, is not going to throw up the required academic performance on-age (since this is lax and not football/baseball/basketball) to get into the same pre-law program at UVA that his dad Jordan Landon VII attended.
So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?
Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.
#1 I'm against holdbacks, let's start there. But It's only notIntelligent if you only see half of the equation. Among a lot of these kids there is a weird flex of inevitability (which to you or I, sure looks like privilege, but I digress).
What if you're a kid who's "above average" at lax.
What if the cost of private school is just a non factor for you.
What if it's already been decided that by age 26, you'll be working at your parents' company/firm.
What if it's all but guaranteed you'll attend a specific college, where you'll be a legacy applicant.
What if it doesn't matter what MBA or law school you'll attend, because, again, your employer is already guaranteed (want it or not, it's happening).
Given those what if's, it makes no difference if you spend an extra year in kindergarten and an extra year at 8th grade. Especially if the money doesn't matter.
A month ago this 29 thread had almost zero posts. The ones that were here were actually about lacrosse. Now there are 7 pages all about the same subject that has it own thread. Y’all are some angry birds man.
Top 5 teams in 29
Hawks
Madlax
91pride
Next level
Sweetlax upstate
Forgetting BLC and Cavs. Sweetlax upstate head to head in the fall was pretty far behind those two teams
A month ago this 29 thread had almost zero posts. The ones that were here were actually about lacrosse. Now there are 7 pages all about the same subject that has it own thread. Y’all are some angry birds man.
Top 5 teams in 29
Hawks
Madlax
91pride
Next level
Sweetlax upstate
Ok holdback Dad, we will do better in future and stop calling out the players who play down in age.
That’s cool, how wound you round out the top ten?
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck
Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.
Totally agree. But with grade based teams parents also want to get their kid on the team they will be playing with in high school now, before they gel without them. Fear drives a lot of decision in sports
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck
Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.
Meh only in lax, only in MD. The #1 2022 recruit (Joey Spallina) played up 1-2 grades until 10th grade. Yes he is from Long Island, not an MIAA kid. He's also "only" 5'11" (which we all know in sports recruiting talk means he is 5' 9.75") so it's not like he's been a physical beast since 4th grade.
His dad (lax pedigree) coached him since an early age.
He was willing to compete and lose against older kids. His parents encouraged it.
He put himself to work developing the skills need to beat older kids.
He was placed in a very solid HS program.
He played for great club teams in LI.
This isn't rocket science.
And he's far superior to the #1 2023 recruit who is a MD holdback, also coached by dad (and still coached by dad, to make sure everybody gets him the ball).
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck
Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.
Meh only in lax, only in MD. The #1 2022 recruit (Joey Spallina) played up 1-2 grades until 10th grade. Yes he is from Long Island, not an MIAA kid. He's also "only" 5'11" (which we all know in sports recruiting talk means he is 5' 9.75") so it's not like he's been a physical beast since 4th grade.
His dad (lax pedigree) coached him since an early age.
He was willing to compete and lose against older kids. His parents encouraged it.
He put himself to work developing the skills need to beat older kids.
He was placed in a very solid HS program.
He played for great club teams in LI.
This isn't rocket science.
And he's far superior to the #1 2023 recruit who is a MD holdback, also coached by dad (and still coached by dad, to make sure everybody gets him the ball).
LOve watching the MIAA games on youtube with Booker and Company. It is hilarious at times hearing them say ..so and so is only a Sophomore but plays above that...Of course he does, He is a junior anywhere else except the MIAA. LOL..
The top 2023 recruit made a mistake by picking Duke if he wants to play. The ACC is to physical for him, He would have been better off picking a school UMASS like his mentor cheerleader and actually getting some playing time .
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck
Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.
The way to do it, is play up when younger youth age, and gain better skills and play better comp… then “holdback” around MS and be superior! That’s the way it’s done!
Double holdback. Gonna enjoy watching him destroy all the 10 year olds. He’s huge too, good luck
Do you remember growing up and the way to get noticed in sports was to be pulled up and play with the older kids. Too bad those days are gone.
Meh only in lax, only in MD. The #1 2022 recruit (Joey Spallina) played up 1-2 grades until 10th grade. Yes he is from Long Island, not an MIAA kid. He's also "only" 5'11" (which we all know in sports recruiting talk means he is 5' 9.75") so it's not like he's been a physical beast since 4th grade.
His dad (lax pedigree) coached him since an early age.
He was willing to compete and lose against older kids. His parents encouraged it.
He put himself to work developing the skills need to beat older kids.
He was placed in a very solid HS program.
He played for great club teams in LI.
This isn't rocket science.
And he's far superior to the #1 2023 recruit who is a MD holdback, also coached by dad (and still coached by dad, to make sure everybody gets him the ball).
LOve watching the MIAA games on youtube with Booker and Company. It is hilarious at times hearing them say ..so and so is only a Sophomore but plays above that...Of course he does, He is a junior anywhere else except the MIAA. LOL..
The top 2023 recruit made a mistake by picking Duke if he wants to play. The ACC is to physical for him, He would have been better off picking a school UMASS like his mentor cheerleader and actually getting some playing time .
It's about post-college PR and branding and that's it. Millon Events will soon be able to brand itself with a bunch of Duke logos. Score!
2022 #1 recruit and Syracuse commit JS is a holdback. June 2003 bday. He will be 19 when he graduates from HS.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-il-s-top-10-juniors-in-the-class-of-2022/56818
Classic… he played “up” to his own age.
But…but…they don’t do that in Long Island…..🙄
Classic… he played “up” to his own age.
To be fair, he did play up by age with 2020 Crush until they graduated and excelled.
Classic… he played “up” to his own age.
To be fair, he did play up by age with 2020 Crush until they graduated and excelled.
Yes, He actually played up with a few incredible players,
But all we have heard the last few years from the cheerleaders of JS was...he plays up , but now is with his age group. Total made up stuff by his supporters. He is a holdback like all the Md boys born after Feb . Look at the ages. If you arent born Sept to Jan on age,,,,,hold em back. The IL article proves what we all know. Total sad state of lacrosse frankly
Thanks LI DAD. the correct response is, LI does the same exact thing as MD, and they are just as sad.
Thanks LI DAD. the correct response is, LI does the same exact thing as MD, and they are just as sad.
Why wouldn’t they if MD is going to do it regardless ? It is SAD, to stay competitive for D1 recruiting, that people feel the need to do this. Rules should change! Or, why wouldn’t they do the same holdback advantage as MD gets??
wow no one wants to talk about actual 2029 lacrosse
Easy buddy. I’ve suggested that like ten times. No one is interested. But I’ll play.
What are you looking most forward to seeing? Any matchups? Seems like the 1/2 matchup is hawks and madlax. Is BLC and next level the second tier?
Except that on every thread LI parents swear that maryland is the problem and only ones doing it. Stop blaming maryland.
Let's go! What happened to all the programs who's 29 teams folded? (Crabs, Breakers, etc.)
Let's go! What happened to all the programs who's 29 teams folded? (Crabs, Breakers, etc.)
Sorry, dropping in from outer space here, but how do crabs not have a team?
Half the crabs went to FCA the other half went to true Baltimore. Who also seems to have stripped the breakers.
Crabs folded because of the coach? Do they backfill with new coach for next year?
Not sure “why”. But do know one of their better players left mid season. And the word is that it was a falling out with parent and coach. But that’s all hearsay. But I will say that it takes a lot to completely wipe out a grade class from one of the blue bloods of maryland club lax. So something went sideways
Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa
The team was not good last year. Many of the kids (who weren’t setting the world on fire) made their minds up to leave mid season. They defected.
The interesting thing is not many kids from outside the program must have showed up to try out.
It’s bizzare.
It’s hawks and ML. Followed by BLC and NL.
Beyond that Who else is good?
Let's go! What happened to all the programs who's 29 teams folded? (Crabs, Breakers, etc.)
Sorry, dropping in from outer space here, but how do crabs not have a team?
Due to entire team from previous year holding back. There will be a great 2030 Crabs team
Well, true played tight games with BLC and NL last year. They also beat madlax in the last game of the season. They have some skilled players too. Maybe shouldn’t sleep on them. But also FCA, seems to have picked up the better half of the crabs so they could be much improved. Not sure it gets them in the top 5 but I don’t think you can discount them.
If you open it up past HOCO, you need to consider 91 pride. I think they can play with the hoco teams outside of Hawks and ML.
Bhaahahaaa. Except the crabs are notorious for this and I don’t doubt it’s a real possibility.
Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa
Please , its a secret in Long Island .. Keep it down.
Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa
Please , its a secret in Long Island .. Keep it down.
More Long Islanders opening eyes on the holdback advantage scenario! It’s just that JS did it sooner. MD has been doing it forever, so why not!? “When in Rome”
So does Crabs retool and bring in a new coach next season to start the 29s back up? No doubt some of the FCA players or their parents are frustrated with their reduced playing time because of new players from Crabs, Hawks, etc.
Ouch the truth hurts. This kid should be in 2021 class based on DOB. But they don’t hold back in NY haaaa
Please , its a secret in Long Island .. Keep it down.
More Long Islanders opening eyes on the holdback advantage scenario! It’s just that JS did it sooner. MD has been doing it forever, so why not!? “When in Rome”
It’s not as prevalent here as it is in other places. When i do see holdbacks, it tends to be (not always) in a bloodline of an established lacrosse family.
I think it’s funny that y’all pretend that maryland started it.
I think it’s funny that y’all pretend that maryland started it.
MD didnt start it... It is a Private school thing up and down the East Coast. MD does have a big concentration in the MIAA league and has for years. Now, with Club, many outside the private school world want in...Sad State for lacrosse
I think it’s funny that y’all pretend that maryland started it.
Definitely, with the whole private school stuff there in MD. Not as many opportunity for affordable private schooling on LI! So, much Harder to do the holdback game.
“Affordable”??? You think maryland private schools are more affordable????? Let me know what Li schools are going for, maybe I’m heading that way 🤷♂️
“Affordable”??? You think maryland private schools are more affordable????? Let me know what Li schools are going for, maybe I’m heading that way 🤷♂️
Friends academy and Portledge, about 30- 40k non boarding. Is MD privates more than that? Crazy if they are!
Are the private schools in LI even any good at lacrosse? Seems like the best kids come from public schools, no? So holdbacks seem to be happening in public schools in LI not private.
Are the private schools in LI even any good at lacrosse? Seems like the best kids come from public schools, no? So holdbacks seem to be happening in public schools in LI not private.
It’s not about the private schools being good at lax. They go to private school to be able to stay back a year. Then head back to catholic or public. Just use it for holding back. Not the lacrosse. They have the club teams. Can’t afford the private for 4 years +. That’s why they are not good on LI.
Not sure “why”. But do know one of their better players left mid season. And the word is that it was a falling out with parent and coach. But that’s all hearsay. But I will say that it takes a lot to completely wipe out a grade class from one of the blue bloods of maryland club lax. So something went sideways
From the horse's mouth:
29 Crabs: Lot of unsatisfied parents last summer after too many "guest players" showing up at tourneys while rostered players just standing on sideline. Then at tryouts, about 25% (?????) of last year's roster is cut (unheard of in club culture at that age). 24 kids invited to play this year. Parents got together on a call and decided they would all bolt. Something like 8 or 9 kids ended up accepting. Coaches fired, team folded. I'm sure they will pull a "91 Swarm" maneuver next fall (the 2028 Swarm coach was asked to bring his coaching and his top 10 kids to Team 91 2028), but for now there's no Crabs 2029. Team indeed split between FCA and 91. Would be surprised if any went to True, but can't verify.
29 Breakers: I understand this was always a 2028/29/30 team. The better half of the 2028s bailed mid-year for playing opportunities with the True MD state team, Kyle Harrison's Team 3234982349823 or whatever, and FCA White. Two head coaching changes in the last 10 months, which led to a ghost town at tryouts, and the 2029 kids (the ones who could play) moving on to AA/AAA level stuff like HoCo Pink, Predator, FCA, and Team 91. Not sure what their supposed expert sports management ownership (in CT) is doing for Breakers but apparently it's not working. Breakers went from decent 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2026 teams to......not so much. Honestly wonder if that club is done. It may be older than Crabs.
“Affordable”??? You think maryland private schools are more affordable????? Let me know what Li schools are going for, maybe I’m heading that way 🤷♂️
I am an MIAA homer but yes, LI private schools are double the price of MIAA schools. Hence why you see such powerhouse public school programs in NY (both LI and Westchester), and you do not (consistently) see it at public schools in Philly, Baltimore, and DC where private school only costs an arm and half a leg.
It'll be interesting to see how teams evolve as COVID diminishes and teams get back to normal.
It'll be interesting to see how teams evolve as COVID diminishes and teams get back to normal.
I agree but I'm not so sure you'll be surprised. TLDR, I think many club rosters are fairly set through 8th grade because COVID has kind of squashed the other avenues for talented new players "showing up from out of nowhere." Big roster changes would likely be a result of coaching drama / hires.
As a coach and parent, the "usual suspects" showing up (#1, The Huge Kid Who Hasn't Played in 2 Years; and #2 The Football Kid Who Has Never Even Seen a Lacrosse Game) have looked particularly bad in the wake of 2 years of COVID. Parents have not really availed themselves of personal coaches, or training up from rec ball (maybe partly because rec ball has been frequently canceled for COVID).
I think this unusual stability moving forward is probably a relief if your kid is on an Elite roster and is happy with his role. Well honestly also if your kid is on a AAA or AA team and he/you are happy with their role. This reality is probably very stressful if you are of the Lax Dad Hardhead variety of "My kid plays A-ball and needs to be the featured attackman on a AAA team immediately!" Because that's going to be hard, moving forward.
You lost me at “as COVID diminishes.”
Agree. But, don't necessarily see the "new kid" showing up to tryouts but rather players from other clubs. To your point, I think parents have been comfortable with their current club situation because the normal pre-covid numbers aren't coming out for tryouts as normal.
I agree. Lacrosse was one of the only sports that seemed to flourish in the last two years. And with club lax having more opportunities than rec parents made the plunge who weren’t ready to before.
That said, the alpha from top AAA teams will always show up in the elite division eventually. So the top elite teams will continue get stronger as that happens. Also kids who have played up don’t always gravitate to whatever club team they have been on when they make the move down. Often they see how they could do at a better club at their actual age.
But I don’t think covid plays a roll in any of this
Anyone brave enough to talk about competition at Club Lax Nationals before the final day?!?!?!
Brave enough to say that almost every 29 team there is AA, AAA except ML and possible the nations best team. But we will find out if they are any good tomorrow.
Also, madlax isn’t even their regular team. Its mostly the
Madlax capital kids but some are borrowed from other areas of the country. Not sure if it’s because they couldn’t get everyone they needed or if it’s intentional but it’s hard to tell if they are even as good as the madlax capital team.
End of the day, that event is a joke at the 29 class. Stop putting stock in it. It’s a madlax run event to make madlax look good. By a wackjob owner
Brave enough to say that almost every 29 team there is AA, AAA except ML and possible the nations best team. But we will find out if they are any good tomorrow.
Also, madlax isn’t even their regular team. Its mostly the
Madlax capital kids but some are borrowed from other areas of the country. Not sure if it’s because they couldn’t get everyone they needed or if it’s intentional but it’s hard to tell if they are even as good as the madlax capital team.
End of the day, that event is a joke at the 29 class. Stop putting stock in it. It’s a madlax run event to make madlax look good. By a wackjob owner
Agreed on Madlax owner.
1. Nations Best (National)
2. Madlax (National)
3. Cavalier
4. Team 91 (National)
How about that local Cav team keeping up with the National teams with 3 subs!!! Screw COVID and congratulations to all the great play by all the young teams out there representing at this tournament. Lots of class and heart by the teams, coaches, and families. Tons of comradery and competitive fun for these young boys
What tournament was this weekend?
How many LI kids were on that 91 National team?
The tourney was club nationals in Orlando.
I wish the club nationals wasn’t a breeding ground for these “national teams”. Would be a lot cooler if the top hoco teams, Philly teams, jersey and LI teams just came to the event. At least once a year I would love to see the best of the best without guest players and “national” teams just hammer it out.
NAL is the closest thing to it as far as I can tell at this age.
Kudos to cavalier for grinding out some wins with like no players. Takes a set to fly down to Florida with short numbers and throw down anyway.
I wish the club nationals wasn’t a breeding ground for these “national teams”. Would be a lot cooler if the top hoco teams, Philly teams, jersey and LI teams just came to the event. At least once a year I would love to see the best of the best without guest players and “national” teams just hammer it out.
NAL is the closest thing to it as far as I can tell at this age.
Kudos to cavalier for grinding out some wins with like no players. Takes a set to fly down to Florida with short numbers and throw down anyway.
The NAL and the NLF in July will both be good.
Aren’t they both in June this year?
This board went dead. Anyone have any predictions on the spring? Who got better? Who’s gonna surprise us?
When do we get a 2030 and 2031 thread? There are already tourneys out there with nowhere to discuss.
Aren’t they both in June this year?
NAL in June
NLF Championships are in July
When do we get a 2030 and 2031 thread? There are already tourneys out there with nowhere to discuss.
i think you need to register a login and then you can create a thread
The 29 thread is officially the lamest thread on BTC. People have repeatedly tried to get discussions about the actual teams in the 29 class but no one actually wants to talk about them. At first the holdback nerds insisted on invading the thread even though there is literally already a thread dedicated to the topic. BUT NOW, we’re taking about other classes below 2029…
I’m curious. Why does no one want to talk about the 29 class? Is it because there’s really only two teams that matter? Because I don’t agree with that at all.
Seriously. What gives?
Agreed. I believe the 2029 class may be the weakest in years. No dominant NY club. That 91 Pride team has too much drama that’s keeping them from reaching their potential but having said that they still stand above all the other NY/LI teams. Still way below the MD teams.
2029 seems to have two dominant teams and then small group of decent clubs.
And then it falls off a cliff to the majority of teams resembling more rec level lax than high level club.
Interesting observations, I would have to agree at the moment. Even the top two teams don’t completely wow you. A couple of standouts on each team. Both seem to have picked up at last one new toy this year though. Will be interesting to see how they will develop by end of season. I think the true squad is going to be much improved though. They have some kids who can play but there’s a lot of gap from their best players to their second tier. BLC, is returning everyone except for those twins some dad talked about earlier this fall here in BTC. Can’t imagine that losing just those two makes them fall off a cliff.
Does anyone know if next level added anything? They went to the hoco finals last year didnt they?
The 29 thread is officially the lamest thread on BTC. People have repeatedly tried to get discussions about the actual teams in the 29 class but no one actually wants to talk about them. At first the holdback nerds insisted on invading the thread even though there is literally already a thread dedicated to the topic. BUT NOW, we’re taking about other classes below 2029…
I’m curious. Why does no one want to talk about the 29 class? Is it because there’s really only two teams that matter? Because I don’t agree with that at all.
Seriously. What gives?
Sorry holdback parent for calling out the hypocrisy of youth holdbacks. Do you want to brag about your overage player dominating younger children? No one is stopping you. Go for it.
2029 seems to have two dominant teams and then small group of decent clubs.
And then it falls off a cliff to the majority of teams resembling more rec level lax than high level club.
Within the next few years there will be a large group of boys being held back. 6th/7th/8th are the years teams get bigger with holdbacks . 2029 will be fine with talent. Its coming.
It’s either one of two reasons why the 2029 division seems the way it does.
1. (Less likely) There is just a statistical anomaly in talent and athleticism for kids born in 2011.
2. (More likely) COVID impacted this age probably more than any other age. Right around the time the youngest rec kids were looking to transition to club the pandemic hit. When the better players would normally have been getting comfortable with more game reps, training and whatnot - the pandemic hit.
There was nothing going on for these kids lax wise at the wrong time.
The result seems to be fewer kids playing at this age and those who are developmentally behind where the 28s and 27s were at the same age/grade.
I think it works itself out in the next year or so.
The 29 thread is officially the lamest thread on BTC. People have repeatedly tried to get discussions about the actual teams in the 29 class but no one actually wants to talk about them. At first the holdback nerds insisted on invading the thread even though there is literally already a thread dedicated to the topic. BUT NOW, we’re taking about other classes below 2029…
I’m curious. Why does no one want to talk about the 29 class? Is it because there’s really only two teams that matter? Because I don’t agree with that at all.
Seriously. What gives?
Because the parents of 10 year olds aren't as insane as the other parents? Or the insane 2029 parents have an older son and have notIntelligent fights in other age groups?
How about coaching talent for the 29s as a source of the issue? I don’t see a ton of great coaching going on and to piggyback on the previous comment these boys lack some fundamental team concepts on offense/defense/transition that might be due to missing a whole spring season when they were just graduating out of 8U lax.
Who are the 2 top teams you are referencing?
It’s either one of two reasons why the 2029 division seems the way it does.
1. (Less likely) There is just a statistical anomaly in talent and athleticism for kids born in 2011.
2. (More likely) COVID impacted this age probably more than any other age. Right around the time the youngest rec kids were looking to transition to club the pandemic hit. When the better players would normally have been getting comfortable with more game reps, training and whatnot - the pandemic hit.
There was nothing going on for these kids lax wise at the wrong time.
The result seems to be fewer kids playing at this age and those who are developmentally behind where the 28s and 27s were at the same age/grade.
I think it works itself out in the next year or so.
It’s #1. They 29’s in our district are not impressive at all.
Was like that before Covid.
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.
So you think it is just non-athletic parents making babies? Perhaps we can all agree that it had something to do with the Northeast snow storm in 2009. Snowstorm babies very clearly only have D3 potential
So you think it is just non-athletic parents making babies? Perhaps we can all agree that it had something to do with the Northeast snow storm in 2009. Snowstorm babies very clearly only have D3 potential
Yes, That too ! Board has some really forward thinkers
This seems like a legit point. Dad coaches never got replaced with more experienced ones and kids are still playing iso/hero ball. I see a handful of coaches running systems but most are struggling to implement even if they are trying to install a system.
What about BLC and LTLC exactly?
Top teams at this age group clearly !
Will HoCO have an elite 2029 division this year or is AAA the top clubs again?
5th grade elite? get a grip crazy lax parent
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.
This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.
2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.
Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."
As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).
I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.
And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.
You realize the classification is based on the number of teams, not the talent level, right?
It used to just be A and B. But with so many clubs popping up, they needed to expand. Not all of them could be in either A or B.
HOCO only adds divisions above AAA as the numbers allow. Which is usually in 6th grade.
The 28s had an elite division last year, so it makes sense they add the division. Not sure why this is a crazy lax parent question...but whatevs
You realize the classification is based on the number of teams, not the talent level, right?
It used to just be A and B. But with so many clubs popping up, they needed to expand. Not all of them could be in either A or B.
HOCO only adds divisions above AAA as the numbers allow. Which is usually in 6th grade.
Did not realize this! You must have had a kid or two pass through already. First timer here. Your wisdom is inspiring.
5th grade elite? get a grip crazy lax parent
Yet, here you are, posting on a message board discussing 5th grade lacrosse.
5th grade elite? get a grip crazy lax parent
Yet, here you are, posting on a message board discussing 5th grade lacrosse.
Agreed on the sentiment…to rephrase the initial question will there be 4 divisions this year. Lets call them developmental, peewee, wee, and D1
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.
This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.
2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.
Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."
As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).
I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.
And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.
Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.
Well. Season is right around the corner. Who’s playing I. Spring thaw?!!!!
Just laying out possible HOCO Divisions.....nothing official put out by HOCO yet to my knowledge.
Anyone missing? Does Roughriders have a 2029 teams? True Baltimore? Anyone who you think would be in a different division?
Crazy to see young divisions with no (CRABS, LOONEYS, BREAKERS)
ELITE (7 TEAMS)
HAWKS
MADLAX
NEXT LEVEL
BLC BLUE
TRUE ANNAPOLIS
CAVALIER ORANGE
LTLC
AAA
KELLY POST
TEAM 91
FOREST HILL
FCA
HOCO
CANNONS
TEAM MARYLAND
KOOPERS
PREDATORS
CARROL MANOR
AA
MESA
SWARM
HLC
CAVALIER BLUE
BLC ORANGE
MADLAX DMV
EASTSIDE
VILLE
ZINGOS
Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.
This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.
2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.
Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."
As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).
I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.
And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.
To inform you- last year HoCo had 5 divisions at 25 and 26. 4 divisions at 27 and 28 and three divisions at 29 and 30.
Your entire post is much ado about nothing.
You mean Spring Madness? The Hogan tournament.
My guess is that FCA will be at whatever the top level is agin this year. They took a bunch of crabs kids I think. So technically better.
Just laying out possible HOCO Divisions.....nothing official put out by HOCO yet to my knowledge.
Anyone missing? Does Roughriders have a 2029 teams? True Baltimore? Anyone who you think would be in a different division?
Crazy to see young divisions with no (CRABS, LOONEYS, BREAKERS)
ELITE (7 TEAMS)
HAWKS
MADLAX
NEXT LEVEL
BLC BLUE
TRUE ANNAPOLIS
CAVALIER ORANGE
LTLC
AAA
KELLY POST
TEAM 91
FOREST HILL
FCA
HOCO
CANNONS
TEAM MARYLAND
KOOPERS
PREDATORS
CARROL MANOR
AA
MESA
SWARM
HLC
CAVALIER BLUE
BLC ORANGE
MADLAX DMV
EASTSIDE
VILLE
ZINGOS
Sidewinders are fielding a team at 2029. Not sure if they are playing HoCo though.
Breakers is toast below 2026.
Most of the 91 kids went to Predators. This 91 squad is light for sure...though they peeled off a bunch of Koopers kids in October.
Most of the Koopers kids are from MESA MD. Not sure how bad or good they are.
LTLC will be toast in Elite.
Kelly Post AAA's are legit....though they struggle with LTLC.
spring thaw is the hogan event...I do not think that was cancelled.
Anyone playing in the Elite6 tournament on February 26th at Blandair Park in Columbia?
Another money grab, only this one is right before the season. Nice.
Another money grab, only this one is right before the season. Nice.
So, if this is a "money grab" what are all of the other tournaments throughout the year? All of these tournaments are in it for the money, which is fine. They have bills to pay like the rest of us.
There have always been late winter tournaments that happen right before Spring season. Hogan's Spring Thaw, The March Kickoff Invitational, Spring Madness. Lots of teams want to get a couple games in before HoCo starts. I don't see what your issue is.
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.
Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.
Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.
Good talk.
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.
Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.
Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.
Good talk.
Wow Dude, seems like you got some issues you need to work on. I didn't attack you personally, I just was just genuinely curious what your problems with the tournament were. Yet you think you have to attack me for some strange reason. Neither of my boys played at the last one, but I know people that did and they all had decent things to say about it.
You do raise a valid point that this format is not a pure "team event". Based on what i heard it was mostly paired down club teams, with a few groups of friends that decided to put a team together on their own. I can see your point, it's not the same as the other tournaments that I mentioned. But, my view is that any time the boys can get on the field or floor, compete and have some fun is good day for lacrosse.
That said, I'm gonna guess you have some personal issue with the event organizer and/or you are one of those guys that peaked in High School and is now old and bitter because things aren't like the "good old days".
Or maybe you are one of those Box purists that cries like a baby if, God forbid, some other format that kinda looks like Box, pops up. For the record both of my Son's have been playing on box teams for years. They love it and have become better field players because of it.
And nope, they don't play on any special teams. They play for one outdoor club team year round, a box club in the winter and maybe attend one camp in the summer. Nice try though.
Well thats fair. My reaction is one that comes from
Seeing our sport go down the tubes. A non team event (distraction) right before the season is absolutely a money grab. Most of the time it’s some parent who grabs who they think is the best of the best (often creating drama) to go play in this is the last thing a team needs. Pair that with the reality that they just did one at the end of the fall and it’s clearly a money maker. Reading your response it felt you wanted to defend it, but maybe ugh just wanted to understand it.
Good for you if your bucking the select/national stuff. It’s diluting our sport with kids who think they are actually special but really they are just the first kid to say yes who’s parents are willing to drop major money for you to feel like your on the best team. Their is no loyalty on those teams, they aren’t the same event to event. But they still get ranked.
Parents are the problem. Someone tells them little Johnny is special and bam, here’s 4K. Whatever. It’s is what it is. Sucker parents everywhere.
Agree on National tournaments…massive expense…little outcome. However, you simply can’t put Elite6 in the same category. Not a money grab at all. The cost per player is less than most 1 hour clinics led by a PLL player running tired drills who spends more time on autographs. My kid played Elite6 and loved it. He got more reps in 3 hours than he does in most traditional tournaments. General consensus from everyone I spoke with was just that. It’s not about making sure Johnny feels special, I simply saw high level Lacrosse being played at a pace you rarely see. In my view, that is not a money grab or a bad thing if we want our kids to develop.
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.
Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.
Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.
Good talk.
You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.
Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.
Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.
Good talk.
You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...
Well #1 pretty much all youth sports (beyond rec) is a money grab. People get mad at True Inc. monetizing everything (and I'm not a fan), but we all know it's just transparent in terms of what they are doing. Pay more money for more opportunities. Most clubs/teams/events are too shy to say it.
#2 All the extra events do serve a purpose, especially for the large group of players with natural talent and no discipline who (more or less) refuse to work out independently from 4th-8th grade. How much wall ball or shooting did your son get in, in January when it was 11 degrees outside? It gets them on the field, gets them reps, and Dad pays for it. Making it no different than the rest of club lax.
Well thats fair. My reaction is one that comes from
Seeing our sport go down the tubes. A non team event (distraction) right before the season is absolutely a money grab. Most of the time it’s some parent who grabs who they think is the best of the best (often creating drama) to go play in this is the last thing a team needs. Pair that with the reality that they just did one at the end of the fall and it’s clearly a money maker. Reading your response it felt you wanted to defend it, but maybe ugh just wanted to understand it.
Good for you if your bucking the select/national stuff. It’s diluting our sport with kids who think they are actually special but really they are just the first kid to say yes who’s parents are willing to drop major money for you to feel like your on the best team. Their is no loyalty on those teams, they aren’t the same event to event. But they still get ranked.
Parents are the problem. Someone tells them little Johnny is special and bam, here’s 4K. Whatever. It’s is what it is. Sucker parents everywhere.
Sorry your son got cut from Nationals.
What's crazy talk is thinking that the MD club lacrosse scene is somehow really doing favors for young athletes. Or that it's not a money grab. Or that HoCo is the most important thing ever.
Nobody at 9th grade tryouts will ask how your son did in HoCo the previous year or the previous five years. HoCo is lots of fun but it is a manufactured priority for youth lax.
First if all. It’s hilarious that you even think Nationals makes cuts. They are the biggest money grab of them all. Rarely the same roster. Poaches kids from tourneys they are actively playing in during the event. Let’s kids play in events even though they aren’t full paying team members…but swears it’s only a one time thing. But then those same kids do it three more times. All the while, y’all stunands are paying 4K to be told your kid is on the best team in the country, but they only ever play in crappy NXT events. Gimme a break.
Your right about hoco though. I’ll give you that.
Well thats fair. My reaction is one that comes from
Seeing our sport go down the tubes. A non team event (distraction) right before the season is absolutely a money grab. Most of the time it’s some parent who grabs who they think is the best of the best (often creating drama) to go play in this is the last thing a team needs. Pair that with the reality that they just did one at the end of the fall and it’s clearly a money maker. Reading your response it felt you wanted to defend it, but maybe ugh just wanted to understand it.
Good for you if your bucking the select/national stuff. It’s diluting our sport with kids who think they are actually special but really they are just the first kid to say yes who’s parents are willing to drop major money for you to feel like your on the best team. Their is no loyalty on those teams, they aren’t the same event to event. But they still get ranked.
Parents are the problem. Someone tells them little Johnny is special and bam, here’s 4K. Whatever. It’s is what it is. Sucker parents everywhere.
Sorry your son got cut from Nationals.
What's crazy talk is thinking that the MD club lacrosse scene is somehow really doing favors for young athletes. Or that it's not a money grab. Or that HoCo is the most important thing ever.
Nobody at 9th grade tryouts will ask how your son did in HoCo the previous year or the previous five years. HoCo is lots of fun but it is a manufactured priority for youth lax.
Although you make some valid points, you’re off the mark with respect to the HOCO league. The team costs are reasonable and there is no other youth league in the US with number and quality of club lacrosse teams.
It’s definitely not a money grab. It did destroy rec in many parts of the state. Which makes it harder and harder for less fortunate kids to pick up a stick. In New York they don’t have a “club season” so rec is still really strong. Then they all go okay for their summer travel team. That would be a better situation
Anyone playing in the Elite6 tournament on February 26th at Blandair Park in Columbia?
Did this thing get canceled? 2 days out and no schedule posted....
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.
Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.
Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.
Good talk.
You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...
National teams are good for kids to meet other kids from different states that maybe they will meet in college down the line or just become friends with through social media. It can also allow for kids to travel and play in different states. If the parents want to spend money for that so be it. No need to garbage on Kids for wanting to play on these teams or the parents for being able to pay for them to play on them. And not all kids are invited to play on national teams, they do not accept every kid trust me.
Apex that the PLL is associated with is similar to national teams. Just a fun time to play with and against different kids. Lighten up.
Not canceled. Poster on 2028 board mentioned a handful of teams competing at that age group, including Hawks, FCA, Next Level
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.
Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.
Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.
Good talk.
You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...
National teams are good for kids to meet other kids from different states that maybe they will meet in college down the line or just become friends with through social media. It can also allow for kids to travel and play in different states. If the parents want to spend money for that so be it. No need to garbage on Kids for wanting to play on these teams or the parents for being able to pay for them to play on them. And not all kids are invited to play on national teams, they do not accept every kid trust me.
Apex that the PLL is associated with is similar to national teams. Just a fun time to play with and against different kids. Lighten up.
Thanks Director and friends. Who is saying anything about kids? It is about money and parents who are gullible to every National Team wind that blows by
It’s not a team event. That’s the difference. Totally different format.
Our sport is so lost. BS national teams and “me” moments teaching kids that it’s all about them.
Keep on turning a blind eye, I’m sure your one of those guys dropping thousands a year on making sure little Johnny feels like he’s the best of the best Becuase he made some special team too.
Good talk.
You will get nowhere with that talk to many. Most of the quarter zip crowd will defend these type of events until around 8/9th/10 grade, depending on how brainwashed they are by Clubs and events.. Then its, why did I do all these ...
National teams are good for kids to meet other kids from different states that maybe they will meet in college down the line or just become friends with through social media. It can also allow for kids to travel and play in different states. If the parents want to spend money for that so be it. No need to garbage on Kids for wanting to play on these teams or the parents for being able to pay for them to play on them. And not all kids are invited to play on national teams, they do not accept every kid trust me.
Apex that the PLL is associated with is similar to national teams. Just a fun time to play with and against different kids. Lighten up.
Thanks Director and friends. Who is saying anything about kids? It is about money and parents who are gullible to every National Team wind that blows by
It's ridiculous to think that these teams have zero value for the kids. Now........are they cost effective compared to something else you could be doing for your kid (paid tutor, speed training, second club sport, etc)? That is an actual debate.
And if you don't have the money for any of those things, or you think investing in your kid beyond "living in a good school district" is just "gullible," I guess there you are.
Not enough 2029 teams in the sixes event this weekend.......our team got a call last night offering a free slot.
On another note. I’m hearing the crabs mustered up a 2029 team. Anyone know if that is true?
Fake News.....heard that's not true.
On another note. I’m hearing the crabs mustered up a 2029 team. Anyone know if that is true?
Yes, it's made up of the players kids on the Crabs 24, 25, 26 teams, some proud dads on those teams.
Ha! Crabs are def the team who would pull that
Yes, it's made up of the players kids on the Crabs 24, 25, 26 teams, some proud dads on those teams.
Did your older son get cut from Crabs?
Heard the Crabs 2029 team is actually the Cavs 2029 team.
Who’s at spring thaw this weekend? Looks like some interesting matchups
Crabs def fielding a team at thaw. Just saw them on the schedule.
Accurate. Crabs merged with cavalier? To form a 2029 team?
Accurate. Crabs merged with cavalier? To form a 2029 team?
Crabs *purchased* Cav Lax Club.
As a reminder, Crabs also owns VLC.
If I were King Krab and I was faced with having to assemble a "Maryland team" for some events or one season, this is exactly how I'd pull that off. Very important for maintaining the brand prior to tryouts in 4 months.
Before anybody balks at this, Baltimore 2028-29 last year had 5-7 kids (best players on the team) from the not yet created True VA team. And several teams in HoCo last year in the 2026-2028 age groups had kids playing from NC, TX, WV, northern PA and others.
Your post doesn’t make any sense. The last part. About balking.
What are you trying to say? That last years 28/29 team (there was no crabs combo team, and if anything it was a 27/28 team given they had several kids come down from the 27’s last year.).
And are you saying that the best players went to true Virginia? Re read your post and then re write it if you don’t mind. It’s hard to follow. But now we want to know what the heck your taking about.
When your team folds because of poor coaching, poor culture, and because everyone sees that you won't represent actual players in your community in the long run and only bring in National players.........you just buy another program 80 miles away and tank that one as well. Right?? Feel bad for all the families / players of Cavalier who got hood winked by James Cramp.
Crabs Lacrosse Expands Network via Partnership with Cavalier Lacrosse Club
Top lacrosse clubs in Northern Virginia to join forces
Baltimore Lacrosse Club (Crabs) is pleased to announce a new partnership with the Boys division of the Cavalier Lacrosse Club. This partnership joins two of the top clubs in Virginia together under the Virginia Lacrosse Club (VLC) name. The addition of the Cavalier Lacrosse Club to Crabs’ nationwide network of affiliates continues to expand the Baltimore powerhouse’s national reach, tapping into one of the top providers of youth lacrosse in Virginia. The Cavalier Girls division remains intact and is not included in this deal.
Cavalier Lacrosse, led by boys’ lacrosse director James Cramp, has a footprint that extends throughout Northern Virginia, into West Virginia and the suburbs of the District of Columbia. Cavalier Lacrosse athletes will have access to the Crabs nationally recognized programming for development and exposure via elite travel team participation and attendance at the most prestigious tournaments and showcases throughout the USA.
Thoughts?? HOCO
2029 Elite 2029 AAA 2029 AA 2029 A
Madlax Capital Wolfpack Koopers Zingos
Team 91 Baltimore Swarm Madlax DMV Rockfish
Next Level FCA Team Maryland ALC Bay Raiders
VLC See HoCo Predators VLC Poon
Bethesda Blue Carroll Manor Sidewinders True Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks Cannons Select HLC Ville
True Annapolis VLC Laytonsville Hippos
2029 Elite 2029 AAA 2029 AA 2029 A
Madlax Capital Wolfpack Koopers Zingos
Team 91 Baltimore Swarm Madlax DMV Rockfish
Next Level FCA Team Maryland ALC Bay Raiders
VLC See HoCo Predators VLC Poon
Bethesda Blue Carroll Manor Sidewinders True Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks Cannons Select HLC Ville
True Annapolis VLC Laytonsville Hippos
LTLC TRUE KP
***Cut off LTCL and TRUE KP
2029 Elite 2029 AAA 2029 AA 2029 A
Madlax Capital Wolfpack Koopers Zingos
Team 91 Baltimore Swarm Madlax DMV Rockfish
Next Level FCA Team Maryland ALC Bay Raiders
VLC See HoCo Predators VLC Poon
Bethesda Blue Carroll Manor Sidewinders True Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks Cannons Select HLC Ville
True Annapolis VLC Laytonsville Hippos
LTLC TRUE KP
***Cut off LTCL and TRUE KP
Quoting to try to make readable
Your post doesn’t make any sense. The last part. About balking.
What are you trying to say? That last years 28/29 team (there was no crabs combo team, and if anything it was a 27/28 team given they had several kids come down from the 27’s last year.).
And are you saying that the best players went to true Virginia? Re read your post and then re write it if you don’t mind. It’s hard to follow. But now we want to know what the heck your taking about.
My bad....typo. "True Baltimore" not "Baltimore."
On another note. I’m hearing the crabs mustered up a 2029 team. Anyone know if that is true?
Yes, it's made up of the players kids on the Crabs 24, 25, 26 teams, some proud dads on those teams.
LOL!!!
Scores from the weekend:
Madlax over Next Level (12-8)
Bethesda over Team 91 (13-5)
VLC Crabs over True Annapolis (8-7)
Hawks over LTLC (8-4)
FCA over VLC (13-0)
HOCO over Wolfpack (3-2)
True KP over Team Money (13-2)
Team Maryland over Carroll Manor (13-8)
Any surprises? LTLC played Hawks pretty close.
Elite has all good teams. LTLC is a sleeper, but may struggle being new. Went from AA to Elite in one year. 24-1 last season losing to a AAA team in the championship of the last game. All true 2029's. Other teams have many hold old back players. Don't really get the philosophy on that but I don't make the rules. It will be a good test for all teams.
What teams have many holdbacks?
Hawks always have holdbacks
What teams have many holdbacks?
Hawks, Madlax, next level, fca, true Annapolis and the crabs. I’m sure I missed a few, but you get where I am going with this.
Do the hawks have holdbacks on their 2029 team????
Do the hawks have holdbacks on their 2029 team????
Is a frog’s butt watertight?
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
I wouldn't necessary fault a club for having "holdbacks" on their roster. If two good holdback players show up to "LTLC" club tryouts, they are going to say we don't want you because they are a "holdback". I think any team will take holdbacks....it's just that they tend to migrate to the more talented programs based on reputation of winning (Hawks, Crabs, FCA, 91, etc.)
Check out next level #3, the car he drives is awesome!
So what's going on over at Team 91? Got an email today about having "supplemental" tryouts for the 2029 and 2030 teams this coming weekend....during the middle of the spring season?
Is this a desperate attempt to find some unhappy players from other squads after the first two weeks? Both teams have limited rosters and neither team should be in the elite division after getting outscored 2029's (5-27) and 2030's (6-22). I would feel terrible for current players and families who went all in with them. "Top 10 program".....what a joke!
So what's going on over at Team 91? Got an email today about having "supplemental" tryouts for the 2029 and 2030 teams this coming weekend....during the middle of the spring season?
Is this a desperate attempt to find some unhappy players from other squads after the first two weeks? Both teams have limited rosters and neither team should be in the elite division after getting outscored 2029's (5-27) and 2030's (6-22). I would feel terrible for current players and families who went all in with them. "Top 10 program".....what a joke!
I think it's an honest attempt by the coaches to pull in talent. Last summer the 91 tryouts at those age groups were poorly attended, not surprised they are small rosters.
And they did this with the 2028s last year, so it's not a one-off tactic.
Some key things about 91:
1) Millon wants all the kids to play at the highest level.
2) They really do try to develop players at the youth level, and as kids fall behind, they don't get playing time and they just go to other clubs
3) They will never say no to a talented player who wants to join mid-year, or for tournaments only. This means your kid could play less and less as the lax year progresses (he may start in the fall, be 2nd line during HoCo, and be relegated to "practice team" for summer tournaments, as the roster swells from 19 to 26 to 30).
You would think this would translate to short term success on the field but it does not. What it does accomplish is to provide substantial funding to T91 to run its (actually elite) high school programs. Ask former 91 parents why they left and I think you get a pretty clear picture of why the teams can't build and retain talent at the youth level. I think the 2029 squad lost 15-16 players from last year's roster. Ask those folks.
Really? You know that? Because I’m pretty sure your are 100% wrong. But you seem like a smart person. So we should all just trust you.
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
Not accurate. Not even close. Kid is 13, which is a single holdback.
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
29 madlax and BLC have no holdbacks.
Hawks are the oldest 2029 team. Just like their 2028 team.
If history holds they’ll add maybe 4-5 more holdbacks after this season.
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
29 madlax and BLC have no holdbacks.
give them time
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.
Really? You know that? Because I’m pretty sure your are 100% wrong. But you seem like a smart person. So we should all just trust you.
Whatever you say, Neck Veins, Esq. Nobody knows what post you are even talking about.
Really? You know that? Because I’m pretty sure your are 100% wrong. But you seem like a smart person. So we should all just trust you.
Whatever you say, Neck Veins, Esq. Nobody knows what post you are even talking about.
Responding to the person who says hawks are the oldest team and that they have holdbacks. But I do like the new nick name. Solid.
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.
So he’s on a 2028 team which is supposed to be 11-12 year olds and has been 13 since at least this fall. Which means he is a late birthday who also held back. Got it.
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.
So he’s on a 2028 team which is supposed to be 11-12 year olds and has been 13 since at least this fall. Which means he is a late birthday who also held back. Got it.
I agree it's ridiculous but honestly...it means he's not technically a double holdback and he's not (quite) 14. So move along.
“I agree it's ridiculous but honestly...it means he's not technically a double holdback and he's not (quite) 14. So move along.”
This should not be allowed
If you're on here whining about holdbacks there is a 100% your kid's team just got beat. Also a pretty good chance your kid is not that good, which is why you feel the need to complain about kids who may only be 4-6 months older than your son, but are bigger, stronger, and more talented.
If you're on here whining about holdbacks there is a 100% your kid's team just got beat. Also a pretty good chance your kid is not that good, which is why you feel the need to complain about kids who may only be 4-6 months older than your son, but are bigger, stronger, and more talented.
Says the double holdback parent? Or soon to be as they realize the advantages!
If you're on here whining about holdbacks there is a 100% your kid's team just got beat. Also a pretty good chance your kid is not that good, which is why you feel the need to complain about kids who may only be 4-6 months older than your son, but are bigger, stronger, and more talented.
Ugh, quit it. Facts:
1) The holdback situation is ridiculous, unsportsmanlike at the youth level (age 6-14), and indefensible. And not allowed in other sports. Stop defending it.
2) It is firmly entrenched and so unless your oldest kid is a 2032 or younger, there is zero chance it gets fixed before your kid graduates. So get over it.
Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
Thank you for confirming that the statement was 0% accurate.
So he’s on a 2028 team which is supposed to be 11-12 year olds and has been 13 since at least this fall. Which means he is a late birthday who also held back. Got it.
I agree it's ridiculous but honestly...it means he's not technically a double holdback and he's not (quite) 14. So move along.[/quote]
It never ends and skill is the ultimate determination of long term success and matriculation. When the proud parents of their freshman starting at attack in HS watch him being carted off the field after being lit up by that almost 20 year old PG who is a full grown man, think back to worrying about only a 1 year difference. Lax will never change the rules, the money is tied to the scholastic system.
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating
I genuinely understand when a late summer (July/august) kid is held back at kindergarten or whatever. But is that same kid then holds back in 5th grade or somewhere else then there parents clearly have issues. That’s basically what this kid on 2028 madlax did. It’s grotesque to be honest. And super sad. I saw that kid play a couple weeks ago. He’s so clearly way ahead of every other kid in terms of maturity. Like what is this even teaching him? It’s just weird. Plus, he doesn’t even make that team elite.
He should go play 2027 and get better playing against tougher competition…if his parents care about his future at least
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating
Correct - Additionally, in HS it’s expected to complete against different grades/ages. In youth is pathetic and lame.
I completely agree. Parents holding back kids after Kindergarten are doing them a disservice. It's a selfish act when a CHILD is held back for a parent's and/or coaches beneficial gain wether it be for a scholarship or $$$$. When a CHILD is held back in school it is for academic reasons meaning they are not able to perform at their age and need additional assistance and time in achieving their academic milestones. When a CHILD is held back to create an advantage you are establishing a huge academic gap. Suddenly, your kid is referred to as the "dense" kid in school because he is older than everyone else and has "failed" in the education. While it might not be true, this is how school works. I have been hearing this for over 20 years in the educational field and hear from students all the time.
Also if your kid is so good by being held back them he must not be that good to play at his current age. If he is that good move him up.
holdback apologist. Somehow 15-18 months older is trimmed to 2-5 months. Please… that’s pre-pubescent competing against a boy mid -puberty. The same parents that defend this are the same type saying that trans boys can compete against girls. It’s literally a decided advantage of physical maturity, body composition and a deeper level of aggression. It needs to end for the integrity of the game. Anyone that defends it is a hold back apologist. Don’t say the high school excuse either because high school evens out due to puberty. It’s preadolescent kids against young men. #cheating
I genuinely understand when a late summer (July/august) kid is held back at kindergarten or whatever. But is that same kid then holds back in 5th grade or somewhere else then there parents clearly have issues. That’s basically what this kid on 2028 madlax did. It’s grotesque to be honest. And super sad. I saw that kid play a couple weeks ago. He’s so clearly way ahead of every other kid in terms of maturity. Like what is this even teaching him? It’s just weird. Plus, he doesn’t even make that team elite.
He should go play 2027 and get better playing against tougher competition…if his parents care about his future at least
100000%
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029
Just to reiterate on age will be 12 in the fall….the madlax kid will be 14….pretty disturbing
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029
Just to reiterate on age will be 12 in the fall….the madlax kid will be 14….pretty disturbing
Exactly, I think he’s missing that point
There are 13 year olds playing on NL 2028 and a sizeable portion of the Hawks 2028 are or will very soon be 13. There is one 13 year old on ML who has been on the team 3 years. Same with BLC 2028. Big whoop. There is a hold back thread to discuss this issue. You should go there to complain or play rec. Nobody cares except the bench warmer dads.
Anyway. Let’s talk about something else. Clearly the “holdback apologists” (hold back daddies) will always defend their living vicariously through their kid.
Through three. What are the best situations at the following positions
Goalie: NL? Or Hawks? Both are real good
Defense (whole unit) Madlax
Attack (whole unit) madlax
Midfield (whole unit) Hawks (NL CLOSE SECOND)
Faceoff: hawks
[quote=Anonymous]Asking because I hear they only added a couple kids. And I don’t think they had any last year. Same with madlax but they are notorious for it. They have a 14 year old 2028. And I hear that’s 100% accurate from a guy who makes it his business to know. lol.
100% accurate? Try 0% accurate. Just making garbage up
He will be 14 in the fall but yes 13 now.
That terrible. My 2028 will be 12 in the fall lol
Congrats, that means your kid is playing up. Every one age 2028 will be 12 by Aug 31st. Birthdays after Sept 1, 2010 are 2029
Just to reiterate on age will be 12 in the fall….the madlax kid will be 14….pretty disturbing
Dude… in September, on-age kids will be turning. And the kid you reference will still be 13. For another 3 months. So just stop. He’s a legit one year holdback. For which there is another board. You’re making a fool of yourself.
How about you complain about 2028 holdbacks on the 2028 string.... this is 2029
How about you complain about 2028 holdbacks on the 2028 string.... this is 2029
Give it time - plenty 28’s will be discussed here very soon.
Is this lacrosse thing for you or your kid. Are making up for the glory you missed as a youth athlete. Relax. If you need a trophy to make you feel better I will be more than happy to make you one. Also many rec programs are folding because of how lacrosse is being structured. Many rec programs can't even field enough kids for two or three teams. Ps I will even let you pic what is says on the plaque.
I see many many "Al Bundy" parents in this thread. Reliving their glory days through their kids.
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................
Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:
ELITE DIVISION
Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.
Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.
Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.
AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.
Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???
Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.
Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.
I second that. Why have all the posts been about a 28 holdback?
Let’s talk 29’s in here !
holdback whiner needs to play rec, coach his kid up or enroll his son in soccer which is played by birth year. My 4 kids play from HS all the way down to the 31 age groups. This sorta crying has been happening for a decade!!
Let me be clear: club lacrosse is NEVER, EVER going to go by birth year.
So u are wasting time when we would rsther be talking about matchups, game highlights etc
Please go to the holdback thread
There are 13 year olds playing on NL 2028 and a sizeable portion of the Hawks 2028 are or will very soon be 13. There is one 13 year old on ML who has been on the team 3 years. Same with BLC 2028. Big whoop. There is a hold back thread to discuss this issue. You should go there to complain or play rec. Nobody cares except the bench warmer dads.
Nah it’s the hold back dads that want the topic to go away because deep down your embarrassed you need to hold ya boy back
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................
Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:
ELITE DIVISION
Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.
Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.
Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.
AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.
Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???
Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.
Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.
Interesting analysis..........agree with most of the Elite Division analysis although I don't think LTLC will be able to hang with the big boys long term. It's the overally difference and commitment from CLUB to REC-CLUB. I predict Madlax to win it all.
For the AAA Division, I think FCA is the favorite from the games I saw thus far. Watch out for TRUE KP....improving and training hard.
My questions are:
1) Is the 2029 age group as a class weaker because of COVID or the starting effects of "rec-club"
2) When does "Daddy Coaching" end? Seems like all these younger aged teams have Dad as coaches.
Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. [quote][/quote]
Why would BLC and Next Level morph together?
holdback whiner needs to play rec, coach his kid up or enroll his son in soccer which is played by birth year. My 4 kids play from HS all the way down to the 31 age groups. This sorta crying has been happening for a decade!!
Let me be clear: club lacrosse is NEVER, EVER going to go by birth year.
So u are wasting time when we would rsther be talking about matchups, game highlights etc
Please go to the holdback thread
I am grateful for all the insane holdback parents. You are brining your dense kids so I don’t have to go through the hassle of playing my kid up! Thanks….I get to avoid all the years of paying for therapy for my kid. I imagine that is the calculation you all make….holdback to get a scholarship to offset therapy bills.
[quote=Anonymous]So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................
Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:
ELITE DIVISION
Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.
Shocker: madlax daddy gives them the slight edge! Joking….of course you do. You should! Those are your boys! It Should be a good one. Not sure those two have played a game that didn’t end in a one goal deficit since the beginning of 2021. Hawks have won every matchup except one I think (yes or no?)And considering how hard it is to beat a team two or even three times in a year I find it rather impressive that the hawks did it 6 or 7 times.
Both teams added talent if this board is accurate, and they played in the fall.
Goaltending: hawks
Defense madlax
Attack madlax
Midfield hawks
Faceoff hawks
I predict, another 1 goal street fight but unwilling to predict a winner. Can hawks win again? Probably. But so could madlax Who knows, tons of talent on those two teams.
Not sure it matters, except for playoff positioning…but it’s Gonna be awesome
There are 13 year olds playing on NL 2028 and a sizeable portion of the Hawks 2028 are or will very soon be 13. There is one 13 year old on ML who has been on the team 3 years. Same with BLC 2028. Big whoop. There is a hold back thread to discuss this issue. You should go there to complain or play rec. Nobody cares except the bench warmer dads.
Nah it’s the hold back dads that want the topic to go away because deep down your embarrassed you need to hold ya boy back
Haha. Yup. Dudes just want the convo to go to the thread no one goes to.
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................
Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:
ELITE DIVISION
Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.
Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.
Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.
AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.
Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???
Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.
Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.
Interesting analysis..........agree with most of the Elite Division analysis although I don't think LTLC will be able to hang with the big boys long term. It's the overally difference and commitment from CLUB to REC-CLUB. I predict Madlax to win it all.
For the AAA Division, I think FCA is the favorite from the games I saw thus far. Watch out for TRUE KP....improving and training hard.
My questions are:
1) Is the 2029 age group as a class weaker because of COVID or the starting effects of "rec-club"
2) When does "Daddy Coaching" end? Seems like all these younger aged teams have Dad as coaches.
HoCo 5th grade level (2029s) has about 1/3 less teams than 5th grade last year (2028s). I think there are fewer "club-capable kids" to be honest, as the years go on. Peak was probably 2023-2026 classes. Lax is pretty saturated in MD-DC. The bottom half of the 2028 teams (shown as HoCo AA and A this year) are abysmal, and should be rec only. 2029 teams are looking the same way. Look at the awful product that some of the 2029 "elite" clubs are putting on the field. Unless your kid is in the top half of teams, you are getting worked for $1500 - 2500 per year.
As for the dad coaching, it is a question you should ask when your son tries out for a team. Some clubs love it because they can pay dads less money, in exchange for a guarantee their son makes the team. And then you'll see that the offense or defense works through their son almost exclusively.
Some clubs have a "no dad coaches" policy and that's where I focused my $$$$ with my older kids. Ask at (or before) tryouts.
So back to actual 2029 lacrosse conversations.......................
Analyisis after 3 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:
ELITE DIVISION
Front Runners: Madlax & Hawks....everyone else seems to be in a race for 3rd through 9th. Madlax gets the slight edge over Hawks in my opinion, but will be a great match-up after we get back from Easter break. Definitely the two tops teams in HOCO and two of the top teams in the country.
Middle Pack: Bethesda, Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC, LTLC. I'll keep LTLC in this group because I think they do have some talent, but have had to play top opponents out of the gate. Bethesda, Next Level, True, and VLC are all extremely talented teams. Will be interesting to see if Bethesda and Next Level moprh together over the next few years. Will CRABS get a 2029 team back next year, or is VLC the only one. Who will they buy out to have a 2029 team in Baltimore.....they have to be thinking ahead. This is just a loaded bracket.
Bottom Feeder: Team 91 - Feel bad for this team as they probably got placed in the wrong division. Lots of new families came in and now you are having supplemental tryouts during the middle of the season looking for players???? The schedule only gets tougher. Long road ahead.
AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA, HOCO, Carrol Manor - FCA might get the slight nod out of the gate, but should have a tough test with Carrol Manor after the break. Is FCA the real deal? One of these teams will definitely get bumped up to Elite next year. Carrol Manor has great coaching and very organized. HOCO looks to still hang for another year, even with the loss of a couple stud players.
Middle Pack: Team Maryland, Wolfpack, TRUE KP - Thought Team Maryland was playing well till they ran into FCA. Wolfpack has some great talent, but poor coaching and oranization on the field. Can someone please explain to be TRUE KP??? Still confused by the True / Kelly post org chart???
Bottom Feeder: Team Money & VLC - Team Money getting used to what Maryland lacrosse is actually like, vs. Central PA lacrosse. They have some athletes though and I give them credit for wanting to play tougher competition. That's a long 3 hour round trip communte each weekend though. Assuming this VLC 2029 team will fold, now that Crabs purchased Cavalier.
Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. So crazy to see that Looneys, Rough Riders, Breakers, Blue Claw, and CRABS don't even have 2029 teams at all. What happened to these programs?
2. Predicting Madlax vs. Hawks in the ELITE championship and FCA vs. CARROL MANOR in the AAA.
re: True KP. , a coach can elect to be True by adding addition fee. Not sure exact amount, maybe $200. They get a extra training nights - goalie, faceoff, shooting, etc run by True coaches. The kids can also tryout for state/national teams.
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.
They aren’t fifth graders playing up. They are recent holdbacks who are on age for 2028 and extremely old for 29. But yes, they will dominate whenever they drop down as they are very good on the 28 level which is their on age level.
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.
Are they legit playing up or are they late summer birthdays who held back going into kindergarten….because they may be 2029 graduation classes but still technically holdbacks. I’m not saying that’s the case. I’m asking.
There are two kids on NL 2028 who are 5th graders playing up. If those kids ever joined NL 2029 that team would be unbeatable.
Are they legit playing up or are they late summer birthdays who held back going into kindergarten….because they may be 2029 graduation classes but still technically holdbacks. I’m not saying that’s the case. I’m asking.
This is a 2029 board and you people are deep into the "true holdback" nature of two kids who play in the 2028 division but happen to be fifth graders. I think we're through the looking glass on holdback talk.
Looks like a good matchup after the break, who’s taking who? Hawks or madlax?
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
Well, considering there’s only been one season since 2019– you’re REALLY going out on a limb there buddy.
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.
One for madlax. Although that score seems a touch off considering these teams have played about ten straight one goal games including in the fall. But hey, we will see
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.
Well apparently, the Hawks just reclassed their 6-0 tall goalie from ‘28 to ‘29… is this the same kid? He was already a beast at 2028. Or is this bad intel? Heck, I think he was playing 2028 starting this spring??
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.
Just checking to see how this post aged…….
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.
Just checking to see how this post aged…….
Not as quickly as the 13 year old Hawks goalie!!
When's the last time Madlax won an Elite division title at any age group? 2019? Asking for a friend.
So your going with Hawks next week. Check.
Madlax 29 gonna roll Hawks. 12-6.
Just checking to see how this post aged…….
Not as quickly as the 13 year old Hawks goalie!!
As stated above. Same kid as always. Not a holdback.
1. Totally ridiculous to start spreading this rumor. Same goalie as the last three years. He’s a true 2029
2. He’s not even close to 6ft
3. He’s always been the best goalie in the division
4. It’s easy to make saves when you take crappy 12+ yard shots.
5. Instead of being bitter, offer up some respect to that kid.
6. If this (my third post refuting this subject) gets deleted again, it will be clear that this site is a madlax driven site.
No one believes a Hawk is a true “insert” any year.
As predicted. Hawks rolled by Madlax D. #99 is tough to beat but Hawks rolled him.
BIG WIN for the HAWKS this past weekend. Analysis after 4 weeks of Elite and AAA Divisions:
ELITE DIVISION
Front Runner: Hawks....they got it done once again 6-3 over Madlax. Didn’t get a chance to watch or hear about the game, but have to give them the clear top spot overall. What the Hawks secret sauce? Are they the top 2029 team in the country?
Middle Pack Tier 1: Madlax and Bethesda – Will be interesting to see how Bethesda responds to playing Annapolis. They had a lighter schedule on the front end, so they may be dropping some more. Madlax is a talented team, just wasn’t good enough to get it done this past weekend. Looking forward to seeing a rematch hopefully in the Championship Game.
Middle Pack Tier 2: Next Level, True Annapolis, VLC – Should be interesting to see these guys battle each other over the next few weeks. I have a feeling Next Level will rise to the top. Challenging schedule ahead for VLC (It’s about to get real!). Thought True would be better so far, maybe True is overtraining these 2029s?
Bottom Feeder: LTLC and Team 91 – LTLC has some talent, but this ain’t Rec – Club competition anymore. Welcome to the big leagues, but I admire them for playing Elite. They have some talent though and will be interesting to see if they can keep the band together. Team 91….aye aye aye…..just feel bad for this crew and culture (2029’s 0-4, 2030’s 0-5) and continuing to have supplemental tryouts during the season…..come on Millon.
AAA DIVISION
Front Runners: FCA – Haven’t seem them play, but looks like they are ready to join Elite next year from looking at their scores / schedule. Will the shiny Orange Chrome MDLax look as shiny next year playing with the big boys and better competion?
Middle Pack: HOCO, Carroll Manor, Wolfpack, Team Maryland – HOCO and Wolfpack continue to battle and improve each week. Team Maryland looked good when I saw them play, but not sure what happened when they played FCA?? (Maybe missing some guys to spring break hopefully) Carroll Manor…great group of kids….have you ever heard a coach yell so much at 5th graders? Come on …..Seriously, could never let my son play for that group.
Bottom Feeder: Team Money, True KP, and VLC – All three continue to fight, but are just overmatched. A couple skilled players here and there, but not enough all-around depth to compete.
Closing Thoughts / Predictions............
1. Elite Final Four: Hawks, Madlax, Bethesda, Next Level. The same elite four….Hawks vs. Madlax in the championship. Overtime thriller…..Madlax prevails.
2. AAA Final Four: FCA, Team Maryland, HOCO, and Wolfpack. FCA vs. Team Maryland in the championship, and HOCO pulls off the upset of FCA in the finals.
3. Will be interesting to see if there are more “holdbacks” than normal in the 2028 group that would ultimately play 2029 next year. Will COVID cause more to look into that option as the 2029’s approach middle school?
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.
Just curious which of the top 2029 teams in Baltimore County have Dad coaches? Trying to avoid "daddy ball" for my son next year.
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.
So what. Part of the game?! That’s like complaining about losing a basketball game because the other team got all of their free throws.
Just curious which of the top 2029 teams in Baltimore County have Dad coaches? Trying to avoid "daddy ball" for my son next year.
Contracts are just starting to go out for many clubs. Honestly, there will be clearer answers to your question closer to July 1, when current parents at the clubs are asking "who are the coaches for next year" right before tryouts.
LTLC, True KP, Carroll Manor, and Wolfpack are all led by Dad coaches. Can’t say what clubs might fit that description until summer.
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.
So what. Part of the game?! That’s like complaining about losing a basketball game because the other team got all of their free throws.
As fun as it is to push peoples buttons, it’s also cool to talk about how good both of these teams are. Look hawks are clearly the better team. They have beat madlax like 9 out of the last ten times. But both have great players.
In the fall hawks dominated the X. But madlax found a way to fight back this last game. Also, madlax rides as hard as hawks and both seem to put forth an emphasis on it.
The game was won between the lines. And we should all feel lucky that we get to watch these two teams battle for a few more years.
Kudos to both teams
4 Hawks goals were on man up plays. Madlax contains their penalties and the game is tied.
So what. Part of the game?! That’s like complaining about losing a basketball game because the other team got all of their free throws.
My kid plays for a less talented team then ML Cap 2029 and we have beaten ML 2029 because they are poorly coached around self control and penalties. Worried about the man-up goals? Don't cross check the other team's FOGO in the neck, in front of the ref, on a fast break that was headed for a nearly certain goal. "It was man up goals" is a new level of pathetic excuses for losing.
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
How many 2028’s did the Hawks bring down this year? The 2028’s have brought down 7-8 the last 18 months or so…they’re presumably doing it this class as well
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
How many 2028’s did the Hawks bring down this year? The 2028’s have brought down 7-8 the last 18 months or so…they’re presumably doing it this class as well
You make it seem like hogan is out there pushing kids to move down. Which is ridiculous. Your forgetting that morning did some kids who were playing up come down to their age, but also the 28 hawks consumed the top end of a very competitive green hornets squad.
As for the 29’s you are reaching. Again, I Becuase losing hurts your feelings. So it must be the result of a massive holdback situation.
Sorry, just isn’t the case
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Who’s the goalie? He’s new, and about 6 feet tall. Was he the 2028?
Was expecting BLC to at least compete today against the hawks. Got weird i think
How many 2028’s did the Hawks bring down this year? The 2028’s have brought down 7-8 the last 18 months or so…they’re presumably doing it this class as well
You make it seem like hogan is out there pushing kids to move down. Which is ridiculous. Your forgetting that morning did some kids who were playing up come down to their age, but also the 28 hawks consumed the top end of a very competitive green hornets squad.
As for the 29’s you are reaching. Again, I Becuase losing hurts your feelings. So it must be the result of a massive holdback situation.
Sorry, just isn’t the case
If you’re telling me the 2028 Hawks are so good because of some Green Hornet adds, spare me. The Hornets were a 3rd or 4th level team. Not even remotely competitive with Elite teams. They dropped down 7-8 kids from 2027. FACT
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Zero. Three new faces from other clubs. That is it. Only one plays significant time I believe.
Who’s the goalie? He’s new, and about 6 feet tall. Was he the 2028?
Holy garbage, y’all are nuts. It’s the same true 29 goalie as the last several years. And he’s barely 5 ft if that. Y’all, are crazyyyyyyy
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.
Correct. That is a fact. However 2 of the four were playing up. So only two are holdbacks by definition and they are late summer birthdays.
Way different from the madlax 2028 who has been 13 since the fall.
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.
Correct. That is a fact. However 2 of the four were playing up. So only two are holdbacks by definition and they are late summer birthdays.
Way different from the madlax 2028 who has been 13 since the fall.
being born in June 2009 is not playing up to 2027. It's playing down. #facts
I wonder where the 9 players being displaced from 28’s went. I’m guessing not all to the B team
There's a 28 thread for all of this...
Agreed; but rest assured NO 2028 Hawks have or will drop down to 2029.
I wonder where the 9 players being displaced from 28’s went. I’m guessing not all to the B team
Your guessing right. Except zero came to the 29 hawks. Most went B Team. Some stayed with Mesa and others went to FCA
Agreed; but rest assured NO 2028 Hawks have or will drop down to 2029.
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Wow, I didn't realize the Hawks had so many holdbacks? Makes sense now. They were always easy to be in the younger years.
28 Hawks have 4 former 2027 Hawks and 5 former 2028 Green Hornets - FACT.
Correct. That is a fact. However 2 of the four were playing up. So only two are holdbacks by definition and they are late summer birthdays.
Way different from the madlax 2028 who has been 13 since the fall.
being born in June 2009 is not playing up to 2027. It's playing down. #facts
June 2009 Birthday is a 2027 class. After September 2009 is a 2028 class. FACTS
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Yeah because 3/4 of the team has already dropped down from 2027. You’re really going out on a limb there.
there is a 13 year old playing for ML 29?
4 out of a 21 player roster played on 2027 = 3/4 of the team dropping down from 2027... ugh, this is painful...
there is a 13 year old playing for ML 29?
No the 28 ML team has a kid who has been 13 since the beginning of fall. For perspective. Most “holdbacks” at that age will be 13 at some point in the season. But most turn 13 mid or late season. This kid started the season at 13. He’s a late summer birthday who basically held back twice.
You gotta lay eyes on this kid. Hes 6ft 150, and fully developed. I can’t imagine he wouldn’t be a good player at the 2027 class to be honest.
But whatever. Is what it is. Hes their whole team though which is probably not good for his development.
Why is everyone arguing about 27s playing as 28s on the 29 forum?
Why is everyone arguing about 27s playing as 28s on the 29 forum?
Becuase someone accused the 29 hawks of having 28 holdbacks That came down as the result of 27’s holding back to 28. Meaning they then also must have pushed kids to also hold back to 29. They are stunands, bitter that the hawks didn’t do any of that but are still winning.
It’s crazy how bad lax parents are.
because little timmy still isn't getting that stats quarter-zip dad expects so looks like they're moving all the way down to 29
I like my quarter zip look. Makes me feel like a winner
One, he was held back in kindergarten and two, he’s a 28. Every 28 will be 13 this year! I don’t think the decision was made for him for whatever reason. He’s not a reclass in the way the Hawks hold kids back for lax. Respect his shot or for you jealous dads, have your son work harder.
Have your kid work harder IN SCHOOL
There are 10+ players on hawks 28s born before 9/1/09.
The hawks 29 fogo was a 28 last year I believe for a different team.
One, he was held back in kindergarten and two, he’s a 28. Every 28 will be 13 this year! I don’t think the decision was made for him for whatever reason. He’s not a reclass in the way the Hawks hold kids back for lax. Respect his shot or for you jealous dads, have your son work harder.
Not every 28 will be 13 this year.
There are 10+ players on hawks 28s born before 9/1/09.
The hawks 29 fogo was a 28 last year I believe for a different team.
Mind ya business.
There are 10+ players on hawks 28s born before 9/1/09.
The hawks 29 fogo was a 28 last year I believe for a different team.
That kid was playing up. Has always been plying up until now. Also not a fogo. Y’all are reachin now.
Does anyone know who won the VLC/Next Level game from last Sunday? It’s not posted.
Hawks lost their Faceoff guy I’m hearing. Could be in trouble!
Did they lose him to a love of the culinary arts?
I heard he he was lost to the dark side!
Actually every ‘28 will be 12 at best this year.
I heard he was found again by accepting Jesus as his lord and savior
Did they lose him to a love of the culinary arts?
I think I know where your going here. Funny
When will HOCO playoffs times be announced? Any predictions now that the 2029 brackets are set?
2029 ELITE
#1 - HAWKS vs. #4 Bethesda
#2 - Madlax vs. #3 - Next Level
2029 AAA
#1 - FCA vs. #4 Wolfpack
#2 - Team Maryland vs. #3 - HOCO
Should be a fun weekend ahead!
When will HOCO playoffs times be announced? Any predictions now that the 2029 brackets are set?
2029 ELITE
#1 - HAWKS vs. #4 Bethesda
#2 - Madlax vs. #3 - Next Level
2029 AAA
#1 - FCA vs. #4 Wolfpack
#2 - Team Maryland vs. #3 - HOCO
Should be a fun weekend ahead!
Going to go out on a limb here as I think you will see some upsets in both.
ELITE
Hawks over Bethesda
Madlax over Next Level
Madlax over Hawks in Championships
AAA
FCA over Wolfpack
HOCO over Team Maryland
HOCO over FCA
I think in both cases, it's hard to beat the same team 3 times,
Any rumors on what Crabs is going to do to put together a 2029 team? Can't imagine they aren't going to, or try to pull over a bunch of guys. Some mentioned LTLC 2029 coaches going over, but not sure how accurate that is. Assuming because coach has a older son playing Crabs.
How did Bethesda get in over VLC and True Annapolis?
Believe it or not, there are a few 11 year old 5th graders playing at the Elite 2028 level. Eventually, they will need to move down. Instead of admiring these kids, everyone on this chat will go crazy with accusations.
How did Bethesda get in over VLC and True Annapolis?
Because at the elite level they take the top three and the worst team. Makes it more exciting.
What ever happened to the old Koopers "Club League"??
I just happened to see that MYLA started a "Club Division" that has Baltimore teams like (LTLC, FCA, Koopers, HOCO, True) in it. I wasn't aware of this. Do you think more teams like Team 91, CRABS, etc. will play in it going forward?
I think at certain ages kids like getting two games in per weekend, however I know it can be a lot on families / coaches.
What ever happened to the old Koopers "Club League"??
I just happened to see that MYLA started a "Club Division" that has Baltimore teams like (LTLC, FCA, Koopers, HOCO, True) in it. I wasn't aware of this. Do you think more teams like Team 91, CRABS, etc. will play in it going forward?
I think at certain ages kids like getting two games in per weekend, however I know it can be a lot on families / coaches.
That looks like a AAAAA division to me. Probably won’t see most elite teams joining in that one.
Can’t beat ‘em, make your own league…they have been trying to get this started for years
yeah, the 13 yr old "elite" 2029 players have better things to do.
yeah, the 13 yr old "elite" 2029 players have better things to do.
There's at least one 14 year old @ 2028 and multiple 16 year olds @ 2026, so this is hardly a unique problem, and while I find the situation pretty offensive, it's not even worth whining about anymore. If US Lax came out of the blue - today - and put in age-based lax, the first effective year would probably be for the 2033s.
So while you are not wrong to complain, probably time to move on.
Great wins this weekend by MADLAX (ELITE), FCA (AAA), and PREDS (AA). Congrats to all, now lets get ready for summer.
Congrats to ML 29, who managed the mild upset of the Hawks for the first time in a few games (4?). Great rivalry.
Taking nothing from ML but Hawks had some injuries, just could never get the offense going. The heat didn’t help.
Thank god ML didn't play in the heat!
I would expect ML’s defense had something to do with it. If you have played against that D, you will understand. Apparently they were lights out yesterday as they tend to be.
Seen a lot of lacrosse in my day. Expect this ML/HAWKS 2029 rivalry is one of the top rivalries of this class nationally. The matchups never disappoint.
2021 Summer NAL - ML
2021 Hershey (OT) - Hawks
2021 Fall NAL - Hawks
2022 HoCo (Regular) - Hawks
2022 HoCo (Championship) - ML
Each team packed with a bunch of studs.
Ha! That’s funny. As if ML was playing in the ice cold tundra on the parts of the field they were playing on. LOL. Hats off to all the teams that played this weekend.
While the hawks were missing a key component, it should be noted that ML, simply wanted it more and executed. Two great teams, which we should be excited about watching for the next few years.
Congrats to ML.
Whoever said the heat didn't help the Hawks?? the AC wasn't on for Madlax. stunad. Putting up 8 on the best goalie by far in the division is pretty impressive while holding this top Hawks team to only 4 goals. Defenders were relentless and the team played with intensity. They are both hard to beat.
Whoever said the heat didn't help the Hawks?? the AC wasn't on for Madlax. stunad. Putting up 8 on the best goalie by far in the division is pretty impressive while holding this top Hawks team to only 4 goals. Defenders were relentless and the team played with intensity. They are both hard to beat.
I think that dude was saying that with Injuries to the hawks that the heat didn’t help.
No one is downplaying that madlax had to stink it up. Stop puffing your bird chests.
If you are referring to the key component as the their faceoff guy, Madlax was over 70% against him last time. Keefer(#36) was tough! He played hard for the hawks
Their D is viscous. Unique combination of power, smarts and speed with the ML close defenders. Hard to get around. And each of the ML D guys can clear the ball even if by themselves often times outrunning opposing middies.
From what I saw, ML also avoiding penalties/numerous man-down situations yesterday which isn’t always the case.
Madlax has the 2 best faceoffs in the division. One single handily beat NL the first time they played. He is new to the team it seems.
These teams are great to watch. They may be something beyond elite. Great coaching staffs too. Definitely always a battle when they play each other.
If Hawks had full roster, game would have been different. They will play again.
If Hawks had full roster, game would have been different. They will play again.
Hawks got doubled up. Move on.
Two powerhouse 2029 teams part of powerhouse programs. Nice to have this primarily national rivalry right in our DMV backyard.
Madlax has the 2 best faceoffs in the division. One single handily beat NL the first time they played. He is new to the team it seems.
In what division? The northern Virginia division? The hawks main guy went like 100% in the fall against madlax. Then madlax did a nice job of scrapping things up in the regular season,(it was great to see them battle back) and frankly Sunday hawks didn’t finish the faceoffs…which is on them. Give credit to madlax and their boys. But don’t say foolish things Because your their daddy.
Hawks main guy is a stud. Give him some credit while he heals, instead of talking trash from one halfway decent day against him.
Ps. Pretty sure Hawks were like 100% at the X against NL…what are you boasting about?
Congrats to ML 29, who managed the mild upset of the Hawks for the first time in a few games (4?). Great rivalry.
Taking nothing from ML but Hawks had some injuries, just could never get the offense going. The heat didn’t help.
The standard NFL response applies here. This is the season. There are multiple teams missing players to COVID, injuries, etc. This is not a November one-off tournament (aka "all our studs were at football) and the clubs have about 8 months to prepare their rosters for HoCo. If you don't have adequate depth to beat their #1 with your #2, that's just how that goes. It's lacrosse season. Come in heavy.
Congrats to ML 29, who managed the mild upset of the Hawks for the first time in a few games (4?). Great rivalry.
Taking nothing from ML but Hawks had some injuries, just could never get the offense going. The heat didn’t help.
The standard NFL response applies here. This is the season. There are multiple teams missing players to COVID, injuries, etc. This is not a November one-off tournament (aka "all our studs were at football) and the clubs have about 8 months to prepare their rosters for HoCo. If you don't have adequate depth to beat their #1 with your #2, that's just how that goes. It's lacrosse season. Come in heavy.
Agree. And I’m not a ML parent. Is what it is. No excuses. Def relevant but doesn’t matter. The game still has to be played.
Had the chance to stop by and watch the MYLA 2029 Championships last night. Great game between LTLC and FCA, with FCA holding on for the 4-3 win. FCA will bump up next year to HOCO elite for sure.
To me It's incredible to see LTLC so strong and I wonder if that will continue with this "rec-club" level at all ages. Also reminded me that having so many teams dilutes the best talent in Balt Co. If you combined best talent from LTLC, FCA, Team 91, Koopers, and Predators you'd be dominant at every age group.
On to summer tournaments we go...........................
Had the chance to stop by and watch the MYLA 2029 Championships last night. Great game between LTLC and FCA, with FCA holding on for the 4-3 win. FCA will bump up next year to HOCO elite for sure.
To me It's incredible to see LTLC so strong and I wonder if that will continue with this "rec-club" level at all ages. Also reminded me that having so many teams dilutes the best talent in Balt Co. If you combined best talent from LTLC, FCA, Team 91, Koopers, and Predators you'd be dominant at every age group.
On to summer tournaments we go...........................
Good point for discussion. The great "rec club" rosters don't really dominate in multiple grad years. 2028 Blue Claws, 2028 KP, 2029 LTLC are all fantastic. And I think there will be continued occasional greatness for this model as more of them keep together into HS years....which is a new thing. Rec clubs used to all disband after 8th grade. No more (it seems). And let's not forget that the rec clubs cost half as much as Crabs, FCA, Predators etc. Very much a "your mileage may vary" but it's not a bad product 1 out of 3 years.
As for the "too many teams" argument, I dunno. That assumes a singular outcome: that every kid who could possibly make an elite roster, will be on an elite roster. And that everyone else should be playing A-ball or rec. In areas like central PA and southern VA this is the case but there's 1/10 the # of players.
It's not like each of these AA and AAA teams only have 3 kids who can throw and catch. And it's not like the starters of all of those teams need to - or should - be playing on a Towson all star elite team. But you have to admit that FCA, Team MD, and Predators (to name a few) put good 2029 products on the field this year. Elite? No, but solid in all 3 cases.
The LTLC FCA game was a good game. Also if you look at the score differential of some of LTLC' s hoco games some were closer than you think. 8-4 loss to Hawks, 9-10 to VLC, 8-9 next level. May not be at the elite level yet, however they don't fold to tougher teams. Only way you get better is the play tougher opponents.
Congrats to ML 29, who managed the mild upset of the Hawks for the first time in a few games (4?). Great rivalry.
Taking nothing from ML but Hawks had some injuries, just could never get the offense going. The heat didn’t help.
You lost to a better team, get over it.
Congrats to ML 29, who managed the mild upset of the Hawks for the first time in a few games (4?). Great rivalry.
Taking nothing from ML but Hawks had some injuries, just could never get the offense going. The heat didn’t help.
You lost to a better team, get over it.
😂
Coach Rage went 0-2 relax
If Hawks had full roster, game would have been different. They will play again.
Hawks got doubled up. Move on.
Rage got doubled up 0-2
If Hawks had full roster, game would have been different. They will play again.
Hawks got doubled up. Move on.
Rage got doubled up 0-2
Oh look, the 2025 grabs who won the 26 elite bracket have joined the convo.
Nice try no one thinks of him like that. He’s a great coach.
If Hawks had full roster, game would have been different. They will play again.
Hawks got doubled up. Move on.
Rage got doubled up 0-2
Oh look, the 2025 grabs who won the 26 elite bracket have joined the convo.
Nice try no one thinks of him like that. He’s a great coach.
Correct Occasionally at times doesnt give him that name as permanent
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
2029 madlax coaches and owner are way more full of rage from where I stand. Those dudes screen and complain about calls all day long. And Whoever that big defensive coach is, he treats those kids like garbage. I would drop his butt if he treated my kid that way.
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
2029 madlax coaches and owner are way more full of rage from where I stand. Those dudes screen and complain about calls all day long. And Whoever that big defensive coach is, he treats those kids like garbage. I would drop his butt if he treated my kid that way.
Agreed. Why do ML parents put up with that behavior?
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
2029 madlax coaches and owner are way more full of rage from where I stand. Those dudes screen and complain about calls all day long. And Whoever that big defensive coach is, he treats those kids like garbage. I would drop his butt if he treated my kid that way.
Someone is upset they didn't make MaxLax. Remember , some people are made for elite and D1 and others arent.
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
2029 madlax coaches and owner are way more full of rage from where I stand. Those dudes screen and complain about calls all day long. And Whoever that big defensive coach is, he treats those kids like garbage. I would drop his butt if he treated my kid that way.
Someone is upset they didn't make MaxLax. Remember , some people are made for elite and D1 and others arent.
Thanks coach. Your a hammerhead.
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
2029 madlax coaches and owner are way more full of rage from where I stand. Those dudes screen and complain about calls all day long. And Whoever that big defensive coach is, he treats those kids like garbage. I would drop his butt if he treated my kid that way.
Someone is upset they didn't make MaxLax. Remember , some people are made for elite and D1 and others arent.
Thanks coach. Your a hammerhead.
And you didn’t pass 5th grade grammar class
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
2029 madlax coaches and owner are way more full of rage from where I stand. Those dudes screen and complain about calls all day long. And Whoever that big defensive coach is, he treats those kids like garbage. I would drop his butt if he treated my kid that way.
Someone is upset they didn't make MaxLax. Remember , some people are made for elite and D1 and others arent.
Thanks coach. Your a hammerhead.
Your ( for you to understand) welcomed . Hope your son does better at baseball.
Good grief True is annoying
NY-based 2029 Igloo parent here. You guys are so fortunate that you have a great league to play in (I think you call in the HOCO league). Great competition! The NY teams don't have anything like that, to my knowledge. They only see each other at tournaments. I hope we can eventually do something like that up here. Looking forward to a fun weekend at the NAL. Good luck!
NY-based 2029 Igloo parent here. You guys are so fortunate that you have a great league to play in (I think you call in the HOCO league). Great competition! The NY teams don't have anything like that, to my knowledge. They only see each other at tournaments. I hope we can eventually do something like that up here. Looking forward to a fun weekend at the NAL. Good luck!
Careful what you ask for. Hoco has killed our rec programs which will eventually kill public high school programs. In maryland dc and Virginia, it’s turning into a “private school” only mentality. So instead of growing the game, we are narrowing the game to be what the stereotype says it is. And elitist sport.
Also, the parents in the hoco league are schmucks….appreciate what you have.
Who is “Coach Rage”? Hawks coach?
2029 madlax coaches and owner are way more full of rage from where I stand. Those dudes screen and complain about calls all day long. And Whoever that big defensive coach is, he treats those kids like garbage. I would drop his butt if he treated my kid that way.
Someone is upset they didn't make MaxLax. Remember , some people are made for elite and D1 and others arent.
Thanks coach. Your a hammerhead.
Your ( for you to understand) welcomed . Hope your son does better at baseball.
For clarity, this page changed the word hammerhead, to hammerhead (which is weird)….your still a major hammerhead.
Thanks for the response. I definitely didn't appreciate that. That's a shame. Club lax in general is a double edged sword.
NY-based 2029 Igloo parent here. You guys are so fortunate that you have a great league to play in (I think you call in the HOCO league). Great competition! The NY teams don't have anything like that, to my knowledge. They only see each other at tournaments. I hope we can eventually do something like that up here. Looking forward to a fun weekend at the NAL. Good luck!
Careful what you ask for. Hoco has killed our rec programs which will eventually kill public high school programs. In maryland dc and Virginia, it’s turning into a “private school” only mentality. So instead of growing the game, we are narrowing the game to be what the stereotype says it is. And elitist sport.
Also, the parents in the hoco league are schmucks….appreciate what you have.
Tell me you've never been to a tourney with LI parents, without telling me you've never been to a tourney with LI parents.
HoCo didn't kill anything......but I will say that its value is massively overblown. When your son is playing in 9th grade, no one will ask whether he was "elite" or "AAA" in 8th grade HoCo.........let alone whether he was "elite" in 3rd grade HoCo. The rec advocates can start by looking in the mirror: starting in 1st grade the rec clubs start pulling out rec kids for "all star games" and "rec travel" which instantly transforms to "rec club." I have an older kid who started at a high flying rec club and this was our timeline.....tell me if this makes any kind of sense to you....still blame HoCo?
Kindergarten - played soft sticks / rec in-house
1st grade - played rec in-house / wasn't picked for all star, or invitational summer training, or fall box team (kid got a little sour over it). He had "medium" talent but just didn't get picked, oh well.
2nd grade - the "all star" rec kids were all put on one rec team together, meaning thin talent on all other rec teams. My kid was on another team, full of kids who didn't want to play, and absolutely hated it. Asked to quit lax despite being a starter and playing entirety of most games. Kids spitting on each other, sword fighting, etc. "All star rec team" wins the in-house league. Coach quit halfway through the season. Most kids on the team quit lax permanently.
3rd grade - "all star rec kids" became "rec club kids" overnight, and were not required to play in-house rec anymore. My son tried out for, and made a different AA team.
4th grade - that in-house rec system continues to crater. My kid goes AAA.
5th grade - no more in-house rec, as most kids have either quit or moved to club. My kid at AAA
6th grade - my kid at Elite
7th grade - same team, my kid's team drops back to AAA
8th grade - AAA
9th grade - AAA, JV at school.
So out of 80-100 2025s, this rec association managed to keep about 20 kids in their own rec club, train another 20-30 kids to play club ball elsewhere, and 40-50 kids just gave up the sport entirely by 5th grade. Is this HoCo's fault?
Naptown will be interesting with all those top matchups? Any predictions who takes it?
NY-based 2029 Igloo parent here. You guys are so fortunate that you have a great league to play in (I think you call in the HOCO league). Great competition! The NY teams don't have anything like that, to my knowledge. They only see each other at tournaments. I hope we can eventually do something like that up here. Looking forward to a fun weekend at the NAL. Good luck!
Careful what you ask for. Hoco has killed our rec programs which will eventually kill public high school programs. In maryland dc and Virginia, it’s turning into a “private school” only mentality. So instead of growing the game, we are narrowing the game to be what the stereotype says it is. And elitist sport.
Also, the parents in the hoco league are schmucks….appreciate what you have.
Tell me you've never been to a tourney with LI parents, without telling me you've never been to a tourney with LI parents.
HoCo didn't kill anything......but I will say that its value is massively overblown. When your son is playing in 9th grade, no one will ask whether he was "elite" or "AAA" in 8th grade HoCo.........let alone whether he was "elite" in 3rd grade HoCo. The rec advocates can start by looking in the mirror: starting in 1st grade the rec clubs start pulling out rec kids for "all star games" and "rec travel" which instantly transforms to "rec club." I have an older kid who started at a high flying rec club and this was our timeline.....tell me if this makes any kind of sense to you....still blame HoCo?
Kindergarten - played soft sticks / rec in-house
1st grade - played rec in-house / wasn't picked for all star, or invitational summer training, or fall box team (kid got a little sour over it). He had "medium" talent but just didn't get picked, oh well.
2nd grade - the "all star" rec kids were all put on one rec team together, meaning thin talent on all other rec teams. My kid was on another team, full of kids who didn't want to play, and absolutely hated it. Asked to quit lax despite being a starter and playing entirety of most games. Kids spitting on each other, sword fighting, etc. "All star rec team" wins the in-house league. Coach quit halfway through the season. Most kids on the team quit lax permanently.
3rd grade - "all star rec kids" became "rec club kids" overnight, and were not required to play in-house rec anymore. My son tried out for, and made a different AA team.
4th grade - that in-house rec system continues to crater. My kid goes AAA.
5th grade - no more in-house rec, as most kids have either quit or moved to club. My kid at AAA
6th grade - my kid at Elite
7th grade - same team, my kid's team drops back to AAA
8th grade - AAA
9th grade - AAA, JV at school.
So out of 80-100 2025s, this rec association managed to keep about 20 kids in their own rec club, train another 20-30 kids to play club ball elsewhere, and 40-50 kids just gave up the sport entirely by 5th grade. Is this HoCo's fault?
HOCO is the reason we have a epidemic of holdbacks and a destruction of rec teams. Sorry your son had such a bad time, I suspect it wasnt that bad, but I bet you were an over reacting tiger Dad that had issues with rec club.
Frankly 10 years ago the model was great for lacrosse in MD until a GRADE BASED holdback league with MYLA's incredible delusional support came on the picture. HOCO was run by a MIAA holdbacks dad and could care less about rec or age. Howard County goes down in the Lacrosse Hall of Shame
Truth.
NY-based 2029 Igloo parent here. You guys are so fortunate that you have a great league to play in (I think you call in the HOCO league). Great competition! The NY teams don't have anything like that, to my knowledge. They only see each other at tournaments. I hope we can eventually do something like that up here. Looking forward to a fun weekend at the NAL. Good luck!
Careful what you ask for. Hoco has killed our rec programs which will eventually kill public high school programs. In maryland dc and Virginia, it’s turning into a “private school” only mentality. So instead of growing the game, we are narrowing the game to be what the stereotype says it is. And elitist sport.
Also, the parents in the hoco league are schmucks….appreciate what you have.
NY-based 2029 Igloo parent here. You guys are so fortunate that you have a great league to play in (I think you call in the HOCO league). Great competition! The NY teams don't have anything like that, to my knowledge. They only see each other at tournaments. I hope we can eventually do something like that up here. Looking forward to a fun weekend at the NAL. Good luck!
Careful what you ask for. Hoco has killed our rec programs which will eventually kill public high school programs. In maryland dc and Virginia, it’s turning into a “private school” only mentality. So instead of growing the game, we are narrowing the game to be what the stereotype says it is. And elitist sport.
Also, the parents in the hoco league are schmucks….appreciate what you have.
Tell me you've never been to a tourney with LI parents, without telling me you've never been to a tourney with LI parents.
HoCo didn't kill anything......but I will say that its value is massively overblown. When your son is playing in 9th grade, no one will ask whether he was "elite" or "AAA" in 8th grade HoCo.........let alone whether he was "elite" in 3rd grade HoCo. The rec advocates can start by looking in the mirror: starting in 1st grade the rec clubs start pulling out rec kids for "all star games" and "rec travel" which instantly transforms to "rec club." I have an older kid who started at a high flying rec club and this was our timeline.....tell me if this makes any kind of sense to you....still blame HoCo?
Kindergarten - played soft sticks / rec in-house
1st grade - played rec in-house / wasn't picked for all star, or invitational summer training, or fall box team (kid got a little sour over it). He had "medium" talent but just didn't get picked, oh well.
2nd grade - the "all star" rec kids were all put on one rec team together, meaning thin talent on all other rec teams. My kid was on another team, full of kids who didn't want to play, and absolutely hated it. Asked to quit lax despite being a starter and playing entirety of most games. Kids spitting on each other, sword fighting, etc. "All star rec team" wins the in-house league. Coach quit halfway through the season. Most kids on the team quit lax permanently.
3rd grade - "all star rec kids" became "rec club kids" overnight, and were not required to play in-house rec anymore. My son tried out for, and made a different AA team.
4th grade - that in-house rec system continues to crater. My kid goes AAA.
5th grade - no more in-house rec, as most kids have either quit or moved to club. My kid at AAA
6th grade - my kid at Elite
7th grade - same team, my kid's team drops back to AAA
8th grade - AAA
9th grade - AAA, JV at school.
So out of 80-100 2025s, this rec association managed to keep about 20 kids in their own rec club, train another 20-30 kids to play club ball elsewhere, and 40-50 kids just gave up the sport entirely by 5th grade. Is this HoCo's fault?
HOCO is the reason we have a epidemic of holdbacks and a destruction of rec teams. Sorry your son had such a bad time, I suspect it wasnt that bad, but I bet you were an over reacting tiger Dad that had issues with rec club.
Frankly 10 years ago the model was great for lacrosse in MD until a GRADE BASED holdback league with MYLA's incredible delusional support came on the picture. HOCO was run by a MIAA holdbacks dad and could care less about rec or age. Howard County goes down in the Lacrosse Hall of Shame
It wasn't that bad.....it was frustrating to see the rec system abandon the few average/above average kids who really wanted to play. I guess your argument is that MYLA/HOCO forced the rec association / club into that position. My argument is that you can support all three groups of players (early stars, decent players who want to play, and kids who are less/non athletic or coordinated and just want an activity) at the rec level, and many rec associations just don't want to do it. HoCo or no Hoco.
Back to actual 2029 conversations.................big tournaments with NAL Youth Tournament and Platinum Cup taking place.
NAL Youth - Loaded field with some of the top clubs in the country. Madlax, Hawks, Bethesda and Sweetlax all finished undfeated on day 1 (3-0)....HOCO elite representing. Hawks and Madlax dominated the semi-finals leading to another rematch. Madlax brought it home once again 6-3 in the championship. Madlax look really good, possibly looking like a top team in the country in my opinion.
Platinum Cup - Looking at teamsnap had West Coast Stars #1, Next Level 2029 #2, True Annaoplis 2029 #3, and FCA 2029 #4 in the winners bracket. Upsets in the semi-finals with both FCA getting revenge on WCS and True Annapolis getting revenge on Next Level. True Annapolis brought hom the championship 5-3 over FCA.
Pretty impressive showing for HOCO 2029 Lacrosse Division with elite teams (Madlax, Hawks, Bethesda, Next Level, and True Annapolis) and AAA (FCA) competing with some of the best teams across the country.
Any other 2029 insights from this weekend.........................
Back to actual 2029 conversations.................big tournaments with NAL Youth Tournament and Platinum Cup taking place.
NAL Youth - Loaded field with some of the top clubs in the country. Madlax, Hawks, Bethesda and Sweetlax all finished undfeated on day 1 (3-0)....HOCO elite representing. Hawks and Madlax dominated the semi-finals leading to another rematch. Madlax brought it home once again 6-3 in the championship. Madlax look really good, possibly looking like a top team in the country in my opinion.
Platinum Cup - Looking at teamsnap had West Coast Stars #1, Next Level 2029 #2, True Annaoplis 2029 #3, and FCA 2029 #4 in the winners bracket. Upsets in the semi-finals with both FCA getting revenge on WCS and True Annapolis getting revenge on Next Level. True Annapolis brought hom the championship 5-3 over FCA.
Pretty impressive showing for HOCO 2029 Lacrosse Division with elite teams (Madlax, Hawks, Bethesda, Next Level, and True Annapolis) and AAA (FCA) competing with some of the best teams across the country.
Any other 2029 insights from this weekend.........................
Is FCA moving up to elite next year?
Amazing showing this weekend by the local 29s for sure.
Back to actual 2029 conversations.................big tournaments with NAL Youth Tournament and Platinum Cup taking place.
NAL Youth - Loaded field with some of the top clubs in the country. Madlax, Hawks, Bethesda and Sweetlax all finished undfeated on day 1 (3-0)....HOCO elite representing. Hawks and Madlax dominated the semi-finals leading to another rematch. Madlax brought it home once again 6-3 in the championship. Madlax look really good, possibly looking like a top team in the country in my opinion.
Platinum Cup - Looking at teamsnap had West Coast Stars #1, Next Level 2029 #2, True Annaoplis 2029 #3, and FCA 2029 #4 in the winners bracket. Upsets in the semi-finals with both FCA getting revenge on WCS and True Annapolis getting revenge on Next Level. True Annapolis brought hom the championship 5-3 over FCA.
Pretty impressive showing for HOCO 2029 Lacrosse Division with elite teams (Madlax, Hawks, Bethesda, Next Level, and True Annapolis) and AAA (FCA) competing with some of the best teams across the country.
Any other 2029 insights from this weekend.........................
National top five IMO:
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Laxachusets
4. Nationals LC
5. True national
Notables:
Team 91 LI
Mooselax (dark horse, super athletic and tough, one game format and they can keep up with some of the best. Tourney format maybe not….yet)
Where is Mooselax from? (Haven't heard of them before)
Great representation from all the local 2029's this past weekend. I agree Madlax and Hawks seem to be at the top. I detest seeing "National Teams" ranked. There are probably 5-6 kids that all play on True Annapolis, True Naitonal, and Nationals lacrosse.
My son plays for Predators and we have definitely been told that we arey moving up to AAA for HOCO next season. I would imagine that FCA moves up to Elite after looking at their scores and seeing them play. They definitely looked elite caliber. The question is who moves down? LTLC? Team 91? Do they bring up two teams and go with 10 teams....bring up FCA and Team Maryland?
Where is Mooselax from? (Haven't heard of them before)
Great representation from all the local 2029's this past weekend. I agree Madlax and Hawks seem to be at the top. I detest seeing "National Teams" ranked. There are probably 5-6 kids that all play on True Annapolis, True Naitonal, and Nationals lacrosse.
My son plays for Predators and we have definitely been told that we arey moving up to AAA for HOCO next season. I would imagine that FCA moves up to Elite after looking at their scores and seeing them play. They definitely looked elite caliber. The question is who moves down? LTLC? Team 91? Do they bring up two teams and go with 10 teams....bring up FCA and Team Maryland?
Totally agree. National teams should not be allowed to be ranked. But club lacrosse is ridiculous and will continue to allow it. True is in bed with US lacrosse. Money talks. So they will continue to be ranked, all of them.
It’s a shame. Lax has become so watered down
Where is Mooselax from? (Haven't heard of them before)
Great representation from all the local 2029's this past weekend. I agree Madlax and Hawks seem to be at the top. I detest seeing "National Teams" ranked. There are probably 5-6 kids that all play on True Annapolis, True Naitonal, and Nationals lacrosse.
My son plays for Predators and we have definitely been told that we arey moving up to AAA for HOCO next season. I would imagine that FCA moves up to Elite after looking at their scores and seeing them play. They definitely looked elite caliber. The question is who moves down? LTLC? Team 91? Do they bring up two teams and go with 10 teams....bring up FCA and Team Maryland?
Totally agree. National teams should not be allowed to be ranked. But club lacrosse is ridiculous and will continue to allow it. True is in bed with US lacrosse. Money talks. So they will continue to be ranked, all of them.
It’s a shame. Lax has become so watered down
It's a ridiculous gatekeeping argument that lax should go back to being like the 1980s where your level of play was determined by your parents' wealth (and specifically, school district or tuition checks) and racial background. As long as it's inaccessible, it can meet your definition of "elite" and not "watered down." Laughable.
The overall level of play is head and shoulders above what it was 15 or 20 years ago. Does this mean that corporations seek to take advantage of this growing sector of customers? Yes obviously. Should the national teams be ranked separately? Sure, but who gets to make that rule? There's a Madlax 2028 kid (double holdback btw) whose parents drive him 2 hours up from Richmond to play. Does that make Madlax Cap a national team? What about the middle school teams who fly kids in from NC, GA,TX? Hawks, 91, all of them. Is it OK on an emergency basis? 1 time per tourney season? Tourneys only?
Who exactly gets to draw the line in the sand.
As for True........it's a corporation with a repeated, well established reputation for illegal roster substitutions across the entire company. Worse than Madlax, worse than Nationals.......who both have been caught doing this. I'm talking about hiding kids under team snack tables, when the tourney officials are trying to track the kid down.
I'd propose that once a team gets popped for illegal roster, they shouldn't be ranked at all that year. "Not eligible." Because, nothing waters down lax more than illegal roster subs. That would change the rankings more than getting rid of national teams.
Where is Mooselax from? (Haven't heard of them before)
Great representation from all the local 2029's this past weekend. I agree Madlax and Hawks seem to be at the top. I detest seeing "National Teams" ranked. There are probably 5-6 kids that all play on True Annapolis, True Naitonal, and Nationals lacrosse.
My son plays for Predators and we have definitely been told that we arey moving up to AAA for HOCO next season. I would imagine that FCA moves up to Elite after looking at their scores and seeing them play. They definitely looked elite caliber. The question is who moves down? LTLC? Team 91? Do they bring up two teams and go with 10 teams....bring up FCA and Team Maryland?
Totally agree. National teams should not be allowed to be ranked. But club lacrosse is ridiculous and will continue to allow it. True is in bed with US lacrosse. Money talks. So they will continue to be ranked, all of them.
It’s a shame. Lax has become so watered down
It's a ridiculous gatekeeping argument that lax should go back to being like the 1980s where your level of play was determined by your parents' wealth (and specifically, school district or tuition checks) and racial background. As long as it's inaccessible, it can meet your definition of "elite" and not "watered down." Laughable.
The overall level of play is head and shoulders above what it was 15 or 20 years ago. Does this mean that corporations seek to take advantage of this growing sector of customers? Yes obviously. Should the national teams be ranked separately? Sure, but who gets to make that rule? There's a Madlax 2028 kid (double holdback btw) whose parents drive him 2 hours up from Richmond to play. Does that make Madlax Cap a national team? What about the middle school teams who fly kids in from NC, GA,TX? Hawks, 91, all of them. Is it OK on an emergency basis? 1 time per tourney season? Tourneys only?
Who exactly gets to draw the line in the sand.
As for True........it's a corporation with a repeated, well established reputation for illegal roster substitutions across the entire company. Worse than Madlax, worse than Nationals.......who both have been caught doing this. I'm talking about hiding kids under team snack tables, when the tourney officials are trying to track the kid down.
I'd propose that once a team gets popped for illegal roster, they shouldn't be ranked at all that year. "Not eligible." Because, nothing waters down lax more than illegal roster subs. That would change the rankings more than getting rid of national teams.
He’s not a double holdback. Stop lying on the child. You’ve invalidated everything you’ve said and have zero credibility.
Where is Mooselax from? (Haven't heard of them before)
Great representation from all the local 2029's this past weekend. I agree Madlax and Hawks seem to be at the top. I detest seeing "National Teams" ranked. There are probably 5-6 kids that all play on True Annapolis, True Naitonal, and Nationals lacrosse.
My son plays for Predators and we have definitely been told that we arey moving up to AAA for HOCO next season. I would imagine that FCA moves up to Elite after looking at their scores and seeing them play. They definitely looked elite caliber. The question is who moves down? LTLC? Team 91? Do they bring up two teams and go with 10 teams....bring up FCA and Team Maryland?
Totally agree. National teams should not be allowed to be ranked. But club lacrosse is ridiculous and will continue to allow it. True is in bed with US lacrosse. Money talks. So they will continue to be ranked, all of them.
It’s a shame. Lax has become so watered down
It's a ridiculous gatekeeping argument that lax should go back to being like the 1980s where your level of play was determined by your parents' wealth (and specifically, school district or tuition checks) and racial background. As long as it's inaccessible, it can meet your definition of "elite" and not "watered down." Laughable.
The overall level of play is head and shoulders above what it was 15 or 20 years ago. Does this mean that corporations seek to take advantage of this growing sector of customers? Yes obviously. Should the national teams be ranked separately? Sure, but who gets to make that rule? There's a Madlax 2028 kid (double holdback btw) whose parents drive him 2 hours up from Richmond to play. Does that make Madlax Cap a national team? What about the middle school teams who fly kids in from NC, GA,TX? Hawks, 91, all of them. Is it OK on an emergency basis? 1 time per tourney season? Tourneys only?
Who exactly gets to draw the line in the sand.
As for True........it's a corporation with a repeated, well established reputation for illegal roster substitutions across the entire company. Worse than Madlax, worse than Nationals.......who both have been caught doing this. I'm talking about hiding kids under team snack tables, when the tourney officials are trying to track the kid down.
I'd propose that once a team gets popped for illegal roster, they shouldn't be ranked at all that year. "Not eligible." Because, nothing waters down lax more than illegal roster subs. That would change the rankings more than getting rid of national teams.
He’s not a double holdback. Stop lying on the child. You’ve invalidated everything you’ve said and have zero credibility.
Tell me you can't own your parenting decisions, without telling me. Decide to hold him back twice, that's fine, most people in lax are not anti-holdback, neither am I. But own the fact that in effect you're playing the kid 2 years down because it's allowed. How is he performing in 2007s wrestling, football, etc?
According to the kid himself, as he's told tons of kids on other teams, he turned 14 in January of his 6th grade year...where on-age is 11-12. If you need to call that "not a double holdback" then that's fine. What do you prefer to call it? Double Secret Probationary Exploratory Flexible Educational Plan etc?
Stop and just own it.
You are lying. He didn't say that. His birthday is not Jan.
Just stop. You don't know him, or anyone who knows him.
Where is Mooselax from? (Haven't heard of them before)
Great representation from all the local 2029's this past weekend. I agree Madlax and Hawks seem to be at the top. I detest seeing "National Teams" ranked. There are probably 5-6 kids that all play on True Annapolis, True Naitonal, and Nationals lacrosse.
My son plays for Predators and we have definitely been told that we arey moving up to AAA for HOCO next season. I would imagine that FCA moves up to Elite after looking at their scores and seeing them play. They definitely looked elite caliber. The question is who moves down? LTLC? Team 91? Do they bring up two teams and go with 10 teams....bring up FCA and Team Maryland?
Totally agree. National teams should not be allowed to be ranked. But club lacrosse is ridiculous and will continue to allow it. True is in bed with US lacrosse. Money talks. So they will continue to be ranked, all of them.
It’s a shame. Lax has become so watered down
It's a ridiculous gatekeeping argument that lax should go back to being like the 1980s where your level of play was determined by your parents' wealth (and specifically, school district or tuition checks) and racial background. As long as it's inaccessible, it can meet your definition of "elite" and not "watered down." Laughable.
The overall level of play is head and shoulders above what it was 15 or 20 years ago. Does this mean that corporations seek to take advantage of this growing sector of customers? Yes obviously. Should the national teams be ranked separately? Sure, but who gets to make that rule? There's a Madlax 2028 kid (double holdback btw) whose parents drive him 2 hours up from Richmond to play. Does that make Madlax Cap a national team? What about the middle school teams who fly kids in from NC, GA,TX? Hawks, 91, all of them. Is it OK on an emergency basis? 1 time per tourney season? Tourneys only?
Who exactly gets to draw the line in the sand.
As for True........it's a corporation with a repeated, well established reputation for illegal roster substitutions across the entire company. Worse than Madlax, worse than Nationals.......who both have been caught doing this. I'm talking about hiding kids under team snack tables, when the tourney officials are trying to track the kid down.
I'd propose that once a team gets popped for illegal roster, they shouldn't be ranked at all that year. "Not eligible." Because, nothing waters down lax more than illegal roster subs. That would change the rankings more than getting rid of national teams.
He’s not a double holdback. Stop lying on the child. You’ve invalidated everything you’ve said and have zero credibility.
Tell me you can't own your parenting decisions, without telling me. Decide to hold him back twice, that's fine, most people in lax are not anti-holdback, neither am I. But own the fact that in effect you're playing the kid 2 years down because it's allowed. How is he performing in 2007s wrestling, football, etc?
According to the kid himself, as he's told tons of kids on other teams, he turned 14 in January of his 6th grade year...where on-age is 11-12. If you need to call that "not a double holdback" then that's fine. What do you prefer to call it? Double Secret Probationary Exploratory Flexible Educational Plan etc?
Stop and just own it.
Great points around national teams etc. I somewhat agree with your point about kids coming in from other states etc. but I think these national teams are way worse. They carry 30 kid rosters, and typically 40% or more of the roster is never the same. One week it’s these 22 kids and the next week they swap out half the roster for the next best players they can find…at least with these kids flying in or making long trips they are consistently coming from fall until hoco and summer.
But any team that isn’t fielding the same roster every event shouldn’t be ranked.
True national and nationals LC, are the WORST with regards to this.
He's not a double holdback, Aesop. He is 13. You kid, told his kid, who told another kid who told you and then you inflated the age to sound like you know what you are talking about. I know him, his parents and some of his siblings. He is a big kid. His brothers are near 300lbs.
This is all ridiculous. The poor kid hasn’t asked for any of this. The sweet boy is big and talented and if he is a double holdback, it was before he could spell his name so he didn’t choose this and Madlax didn’t choose this. It’s a great fit for him and the team and you are clearly digging for something. He’s barely hit the cage all year so he’s not a threat. Leave him alone. It’s not his fault or Madlax so go find a 28 page to troll. You are still so bitter your boy didn’t play. Just go away!
Little surprised by the Mooselax talk. They are from LI. But they went 0-5 at the tournament. My sons local town team beat them not long ago.
I think the Hawks are a top 3 team but they and Bethesda had an absolutely cake schedule at the NAL. It doesn’t mean they’re not good. It just means that there is only so much you can take away from the NAL for those teams.
You are lying. He didn't say that. His birthday is not Jan.
Just stop. You don't know him, or anyone who knows him.
No offense but this sounds like a kid who will disappear in the HS depth chart. Very large single holdback who isn't a major contributor even as a holdback. If you have watched kids progress into HS sports before, you have seen this common process.
Which goes back to why does anyone care where he plays, or whether he is 14, 13, or 25 years old. Let him play. If he tells opponents he is older than he is, honestly that is hilarious. Good for him.
You are lying. He didn't say that. His birthday is not Jan.
Just stop. You don't know him, or anyone who knows him.
No offense but this sounds like a kid who will disappear in the HS depth chart. Very large single holdback who isn't a major contributor even as a holdback. If you have watched kids progress into HS sports before, you have seen this common process.
Which goes back to why does anyone care where he plays, or whether he is 14, 13, or 25 years old. Let him play. If he tells opponents he is older than he is, honestly that is hilarious. Good for him.
Not a major contributor? You obviously have no idea.
Where is everyone playing this weekend??????
I see Summer Exposure AA has (Hawks, Madlax, LTLC)
Summer Exposure A has (Koopers, VLC, Team Maryalnd)
Legends Fastbreak has (True Annapolis, FCA, and True National)
You are lying. He didn't say that. His birthday is not Jan.
Just stop. You don't know him, or anyone who knows him.
No offense but this sounds like a kid who will disappear in the HS depth chart. Very large single holdback who isn't a major contributor even as a holdback. If you have watched kids progress into HS sports before, you have seen this common process.
Which goes back to why does anyone care where he plays, or whether he is 14, 13, or 25 years old. Let him play. If he tells opponents he is older than he is, honestly that is hilarious. Good for him.
Not a major contributor? You obviously have no idea.
Yawn. ML faux outrage is as lame as anti-ML faux outrage.
Little surprised by the Mooselax talk. They are from LI. But they went 0-5 at the tournament. My sons local town team beat them not long ago.
I think the Hawks are a top 3 team but they and Bethesda had an absolutely cake schedule at the NAL. It doesn’t mean they’re not good. It just means that there is only so much you can take away from the NAL for those teams.
Thanks sweetlax dad….
But you should have been on the list at 3. My bad. Until you beat the hawks your not ranked above them. And you have played them….
What? Not a sweetlax dad and I actually don’t know what you’re even trying to say here. I don’t think sweetlax is that great either. Certainly not close to top 3. I was just making an observation which I think is fair.
What? Not a sweetlax dad and I actually don’t know what you’re even trying to say here. I don’t think sweetlax is that great either. Certainly not close to top 3. I was just making an observation which I think is fair.
No criticism is fair as long as the 2 ML homers and 1 Hawks Dad are hovering around this dumpster fire of a thread.
Ha! The worst part is that it wasn’t even meant to be criticism. I think the Hawks are a great team (as I said, top 3). I was just pointing out that their schedule in this tournament was pretty light, which is not their fault. Bethesda obviously is not as strong, although certainly not a bad team.
What? Not a sweetlax dad and I actually don’t know what you’re even trying to say here. I don’t think sweetlax is that great either. Certainly not close to top 3. I was just making an observation which I think is fair.
No criticism is fair as long as the 2 ML homers and 1 Hawks Dad are hovering around this dumpster fire of a thread.
Hahhahaaaaa
Maybe some got out over their skis with talk of Madlax 2029s taking over from the Hawks?
Thoughts on Hawks 2029s reclaiming the top spot over Madlax today?
Thoughts on Hawks 2029s reclaiming the top spot over Madlax today?
My thought is that it will go back and forth for years. But when the hawks are fully loaded it’s gonna get harder. Kid they are missing does a lot for them, offense, defense and he’s one of the most skilled 29 draw men in the country.
Hawks exposed the madlax faceoff situation today……
Thoughts on Hawks 2029s reclaiming the top spot over Madlax today?
My thought is that it will go back and forth for years. But when the hawks are fully loaded it’s gonna get harder. Kid they are missing does a lot for them, offense, defense and he’s one of the most skilled 29 draw men in the country.
Hawks exposed the madlax faceoff situation today……
Crabs should be in the mix soon.
Thoughts on Hawks 2029s reclaiming the top spot over Madlax today?
My thought is that it will go back and forth for years. But when the hawks are fully loaded it’s gonna get harder. Kid they are missing does a lot for them, offense, defense and he’s one of the most skilled 29 draw men in the country.
Hawks exposed the madlax faceoff situation today……
Crabs should be in the mix soon.
Yeah. It’s about time for the 28’s to drop down to 29. Should compete immediately.
And LTLC too.
What does that “exposed” comment even mean? We stayed to watch this game. ML had the ball up a goal with slightly over a minute to go. If they spin the ball they win.
They went for a shot to really slam the door and actually opened door for Hawks.
Geez. All you people are too serious. Just two great teams, playing another great game.
Naptown should be interesting. Nationals who played hawks close will be there. True national, sweetlax and mad dog national (no idea if they are any good but they have competitive teams at older ages)
After seeing scores from the first three weeks and tournament records..................
Top Tier: Madlax / Hawks (Everyone else is second fiddle)
Middle Tier: Bethesda, Next Level, FCA, True Annapolis, VLC)
Bottom Tier: LTLC / Team 91
After seeing scores from the first three weeks and tournament records..................
Top Tier: Madlax / Hawks (Everyone else is second fiddle)
Middle Tier: Bethesda, Next Level, FCA, True Annapolis, VLC)
Bottom Tier: LTLC / Team 91
I mean. Definitely some northeast teams that should be on that middle tier list before Bethesda and FCA. FCA didn’t even play elite this year I don’t believe.
Texas nationals appear competitive. 91 Long Island definitely better then BLC (I think that played them this summer actually gotta look).
Naptown will likely identify any new outliers…
ML was obviously missing their top defender. Diff game without #99. When ML is fully loaded, they are hard to beat.
ML was obviously missing their top defender. Diff game without #99. When ML is fully loaded, they are hard to beat.
Didn’t all the ML daddy’s scorch the hawks parents for stating one of their best all around players has been out since before hoco finals? How the tables turn.
Oh, that kids still out. BTW.
I would put 91 Long Island in between your top and mid-tiers (i.e., best of the mid-tier or the worst of the top tier). I'd put Igloo in your mid-tier, although I don't know exactly where they fall among those teams. They've played Madlax and the Hawks tough, but they are not at their level at this point. The rest of the LI teams are likely either bottom tier or lower mid-tier. Although it's hard to say for sure without seeing them all head-to-head.
Does anyone know how different madlax cap's regular team is vs their national team at the 29 level? Do they add a lot of players for the national team?
The National team is their entire Capitals team and they invited two other players to play. They were attacks but didn't see much playing time and didn't get any in the championship game.
Got it, thanks for the reply. Seems a little silly to have a nationals team then, but what do I know. I'm sure they have their reasons.
By the way, did anyone hear see the Madlax-91 game? Was it competitive? I'm curious to know where Madlax has its biggest advantages over 91.
By the way, did anyone hear see the Madlax-91 game? Was it competitive? I'm curious to know where Madlax has its biggest advantages over 91.
1. Madlax was missing it’s best player
2. The fact 91 was even close is a major win.
3. Guessing faceoffs, and depth were the big factor
You said that you're "guessing" that faceoffs and depth were big factors. Did you see the game?
91 dominated madlax on rides/clears/groundballs but
Madlax dominated at either end of the field where it really mattered.
Thank you, that's about what I would have expected. 91 is a good, athletic and aggressive team, but their defense can be scored on. Again I'm not surprised to see that their offense struggled against a good defense. madlax seems to clearly be the better team (and probably top 1-2 in the country) but it's a stretch to say that 91 was "lucky" to be close (whoever had said that). 91 is obviously a step below but probably still a top 5 team.
Madlax Cap/National is similar to True Annapolis/National. Invite a few additional players, make everyone feel special and charge extra for a tournament.
Madlax Cap/National is similar to True Annapolis/National. Invite a few additional players, make everyone feel special and charge extra for a tournament.
Not even close. True national has single digits of true Annapolis kids. Team has kids from all over.
They are a very good team.
Madlax had 2 kids added that were not impactful adds.
Madlax Cap/National is similar to True Annapolis/National. Invite a few additional players, make everyone feel special and charge extra for a tournament.
Not even close. True national has single digits of true Annapolis kids. Team has kids from all over.
They are a very good team.
Madlax had 2 kids added that were not impactful adds.
Thanks true dad!
Thoughts on Hawks 2029s reclaiming the top spot over Madlax today?
My thought is that it will go back and forth for years. But when the hawks are fully loaded it’s gonna get harder. Kid they are missing does a lot for them, offense, defense and he’s one of the most skilled 29 draw men in the country.
Hawks exposed the madlax faceoff situation today……
Crabs should be in the mix soon.
They get better and better as they get closer to High School. Parents know the drill, if you cant be the best go down a grade. Works wonders and is within the rules, so stop moaning already
You are lying. He didn't say that. His birthday is not Jan.
Just stop. You don't know him, or anyone who knows him.
No offense but this sounds like a kid who will disappear in the HS depth chart. Very large single holdback who isn't a major contributor even as a holdback. If you have watched kids progress into HS sports before, you have seen this common process.
Which goes back to why does anyone care where he plays, or whether he is 14, 13, or 25 years old. Let him play. If he tells opponents he is older than he is, honestly that is hilarious. Good for him.
Not a major contributor? You obviously have no idea.
Yawn. ML faux outrage is as lame as anti-ML faux outrage.
This 14 year old scores 2/3rd of the team's goals. FACT. Madlax says "let him play." It's the only way they continue to field a top 5 teams in the country.
You are lying. He didn't say that. His birthday is not Jan.
Just stop. You don't know him, or anyone who knows him.
No offense but this sounds like a kid who will disappear in the HS depth chart. Very large single holdback who isn't a major contributor even as a holdback. If you have watched kids progress into HS sports before, you have seen this common process.
Which goes back to why does anyone care where he plays, or whether he is 14, 13, or 25 years old. Let him play. If he tells opponents he is older than he is, honestly that is hilarious. Good for him
Not a major contributor? You obviously have no idea.
Yawn. ML faux outrage is as lame as anti-ML faux outrage.
This 14 year old scores 2/3rd of the team's goals. FACT. Madlax says "let him play." It's the only way they continue to field a top 5 teams in the country.
Someone got beat by a better team. Try not to moan to much, isnt a good look for the elite
I understand multiple preserves on the Madlax/91 game . But all 91 kids in this particular age group are firstly only 10-11 no 12 year olds. In addition this is not a national team. Just a regular team no additions.
I understand multiple preserves on the Madlax/91 game . But all 91 kids in this particular age group are firstly only 10-11 no 12 year olds. In addition this is not a national team. Just a regular team no additions.
91 played Madlax tough. Had 2-0 lead and 2-2 at half. 2nd half they were dominated at FO-X and bad coaching led to man down essentially on every possession as their FOGO to slow to get off and not good to stay on. Madlax coaches seemed more poised. 91 Defense and goalie played very well or score margin would’ve been greater than 7-4. Team has about 2-3 dynamic offensive players but 91’s best player who is a true 29 is one of Venoms best middies. Team will always be in the mix going forward. Cream of the crop at this age group though will continue to be the MD teams.
Tryouts in Maryland are upon us already??? Oh my..................
Crabs tryouts next week, heard they have over 30 kids registered and are looking to rebuild. Sounds like many Team 91 MD guys, True Baltimore and True Koopers families ready to jump ship. Will Predators improve.....everyone thinks so!! FCA jumping to elite will they improve? Breakers seems to be making a big push back after being aguired by 3steps. Does a rec/club team like LTLC keep everyone or attract new players? Do we see a lot of reclassing in the 2028 class they year after COVID?
Should be interesting...........
Crabs will stink again.
FCA will get a handful of new players/starters with the move to elite.
Preds will move up and stay competitive.
LTLC starts to lose kids.
Madlax, hawks, NL, True Annapolis, FCA look like top 5 finishers.
Crabs will stink again.
FCA will get a handful of new players/starters with the move to elite.
Preds will move up and stay competitive.
LTLC starts to lose kids.
Madlax, hawks, NL, True Annapolis, FCA look like top 5 finishers.
They are 2029 & it will change a lot.
Crabs will stink again.
FCA will get a handful of new players/starters with the move to elite.
Preds will move up and stay competitive.
LTLC starts to lose kids.
Madlax, hawks, NL, True Annapolis, FCA look like top 5 finishers.
They are 2029 & it will change a lot.
Wrong. Hawks and madlax will still beat everyone by ten.
Crabs will stink again.
FCA will get a handful of new players/starters with the move to elite.
Preds will move up and stay competitive.
LTLC starts to lose kids.
Madlax, hawks, NL, True Annapolis, FCA look like top 5 finishers.
They are 2029 & it will change a lot.
Will be really interesting to see............
In my opinion the rich will get richer (Hawks, Madlad)...best of the best will tryout for them.
Next Level, True Annapolis, FCA, Predators in my opinion will improve as well. All four seemed to finished seasons strong on a high note and have shown improvement along the way.
Curious to see how rec-clubs Bethesda, LTLC, HOCO, and Wolfpack hang on....history shows a few kids will leave each year and not much will tryout to replace that upper level talent that leaves.
I also heard Team 91 MD and Koopers are having lots of kids looking elsewhere.
And then there is CRABS............really interested to see how things play out with that team. Was surprised they didn't try to buyout another program, but I think the allure of CRABS will attrack some kids from 91, Koopers, and others.
Is crabs 2029 happening this year?
Got it, thanks for the reply. Seems a little silly to have a nationals team then, but what do I know. I'm sure they have their reasons.
Wait another year and you'll see why.
Tryouts in Maryland are upon us already??? Oh my..................
Crabs tryouts next week, heard they have over 30 kids registered and are looking to rebuild. Sounds like many Team 91 MD guys, True Baltimore and True Koopers families ready to jump ship. Will Predators improve.....everyone thinks so!! FCA jumping to elite will they improve? Breakers seems to be making a big push back after being aguired by 3steps. Does a rec/club team like LTLC keep everyone or attract new players? Do we see a lot of reclassing in the 2028 class they year after COVID?
Should be interesting...........
1. True Baltimore is a joke and hardly even a real "product."
2. Koopers 2029 is basically MESA-MD 2029. If they're "jumping" it's because of the commute from AACO. If Koopers can retain coaches, they will field a decent team (AA-AAA).
3. Breakers is not going to do anything, they have been asleep at the wheel for 3 years (since 3 step buyout), letting their older teams fall off from top 50 status (2022-2026). A long, hard fall from the club's historic status (once upon a time, a rival to Crabs!).
4. Starters on LTLC 2029 are reclassing to 2030. The team is headed back to A/AA status like every other age group of LTLC.
5. Not a lot of 2028s reclassing this summer. 2028s who were going to MIAA middle schools made the transition last year (and some did indeed holdback last year from 2027 to 2028). However a moderate # of 2026 and 2027 boys are dropping down this summer, especially those who did not get the lax recruiting attention their parents think they deserved.
Parents are holding kids back to play at LTLC?
Seriously??
Is crabs 2029 happening this year?
Yes. 28s from Crabs are starting to hold back to the 29s. A little earlier than the normal Crab holdback schedule but there will be a team.
Parents are holding kids back to play at LTLC?
Seriously??
Oh they won't be playing at LTLC next year. Would anticipate the 2-3 of them will go to 2030 Crabs or FCA.
Parents are holding kids back to play at LTLC?
Seriously??
Oh they won't be playing at LTLC next year. Would anticipate the 2-3 of them will go to 2030 Crabs or FCA.
Seems like a lot of generalizations and speculation in these posts, it’s like reading the headlines in the tabloids at the grocery store…just can’t seem to help myself and read them anyway.
Parents are holding kids back to play at LTLC?
Seriously??
Oh they won't be playing at LTLC next year. Would anticipate the 2-3 of them will go to 2030 Crabs or FCA.
Seems like a lot of generalizations and speculation in these posts, it’s like reading the headlines in the tabloids at the grocery store…just can’t seem to help myself and read them anyway.
Unlike the tabloids, check back in to this forum after LTLC tryouts and let us know about any notable non-attendees at 2029.
Is crabs 2029 happening this year?
Yes. 28s from Crabs are starting to hold back to the 29s. A little earlier than the normal Crab holdback schedule but there will be a team.
I hear the whole 28 team is moving down, and the 27’s to 28. Helps make room for the 26’s to move down now that the 25’s are all coming in from Florida and Texas. Crabs should compete right away at 29 next year. It’s a great strategy they have. Can’t knock it.
Is crabs 2029 happening this year?
Yes. 28s from Crabs are starting to hold back to the 29s. A little earlier than the normal Crab holdback schedule but there will be a team.
I hear the whole 28 team is moving down, and the 27’s to 28. Helps make room for the 26’s to move down now that the 25’s are all coming in from Florida and Texas. Crabs should compete right away at 29 next year. It’s a great strategy they have. Can’t knock it.
Exactly. It is a good model and has been for years. Crabs are a top team that everyone wants to play for. And please, dont act like you wouldnt want to wear the Crabs Helmet and Jersey into a game. Iron sharpens Iron !
This is so funny. Grown people talking about 11 year olds and speaking as though it’s their livelihood that’s on the line. Let the kids play. It’s so ridiculous how grown adults have created a culture of unrealistic dreams and promises and are using children yes children as pawns in your messed up mind games and personal fantasies. If you want a trophy of accolades you can brag about I will be more that happy to send one. I will even create a cv for you will everything you would have wanted to win. Read these posts through someone else’s eyes. Read this thread through you son’s eyes and ask yourself what they would think. Oh and just to let you know I am not one of these parents on a team that loses just they complete opposites part of a team with a highly successful track record.
Is crabs 2029 happening this year?
Yes. 28s from Crabs are starting to hold back to the 29s. A little earlier than the normal Crab holdback schedule but there will be a team.
I hear the whole 28 team is moving down, and the 27’s to 28. Helps make room for the 26’s to move down now that the 25’s are all coming in from Florida and Texas. Crabs should compete right away at 29 next year. It’s a great strategy they have. Can’t knock it.
Exactly. It is a good model and has been for years. Crabs are a top team that everyone wants to play for. And please, dont act like you wouldnt want to wear the Crabs Helmet and Jersey into a game. Iron sharpens Iron !
You obviously missed the sarcasm. It’s a pathetic model knuckle head. A club that literally encourages holding back in school for youth sports is pathetic.
This is so funny. Grown people talking about 11 year olds and speaking as though it’s their livelihood that’s on the line. Let the kids play. It’s so ridiculous how grown adults have created a culture of unrealistic dreams and promises and are using children yes children as pawns in your messed up mind games and personal fantasies. If you want a trophy of accolades you can brag about I will be more that happy to send one. I will even create a cv for you will everything you would have wanted to win. Read these posts through someone else’s eyes. Read this thread through you son’s eyes and ask yourself what they would think. Oh and just to let you know I am not one of these parents on a team that loses just they complete opposites part of a team with a highly successful track record.
11 year olds? Based on much of the chatter in this thread I guess that depends on which team you are talking about.
Well I guess I wasted my money on the CRABS tryout. New coaching staff had a lot of energy, but very few players. Just got communication and 2029's aren't listed. Terrible communication on what is going on...........................
Thanks for interest in Crab Lacrosse and attending tryouts this week.
Coaches will let players know, either way, for the 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2030 teams by Wednesday July 20.
2033, 2032 and 2031 teams will have their make- up tryout on Thursday July 21st
2033-2032 5pm-6pm on Keeney Field
2031 530pm - 630pm on Connor Field
Enjoy your weekend and good luck to those that are playing this weekend!
Well I guess I wasted my money on the CRABS tryout. New coaching staff had a lot of energy, but very few players. Just got communication and 2029's aren't listed. Terrible communication on what is going on...........................
Thanks for interest in Crab Lacrosse and attending tryouts this week.
Coaches will let players know, either way, for the 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2030 teams by Wednesday July 20.
2033, 2032 and 2031 teams will have their make- up tryout on Thursday July 21st
2033-2032 5pm-6pm on Keeney Field
2031 530pm - 630pm on Connor Field
Enjoy your weekend and good luck to those that are playing this weekend!
If you make the team, you will be happy with Club and what it brings.
This is so funny. Grown people talking about 11 year olds and speaking as though it’s their livelihood that’s on the line. Let the kids play. It’s so ridiculous how grown adults have created a culture of unrealistic dreams and promises and are using children yes children as pawns in your messed up mind games and personal fantasies. If you want a trophy of accolades you can brag about I will be more that happy to send one. I will even create a cv for you will everything you would have wanted to win. Read these posts through someone else’s eyes. Read this thread through you son’s eyes and ask yourself what they would think. Oh and just to let you know I am not one of these parents on a team that loses just they complete opposites part of a team with a highly successful track record.
Just because your child does not show the hunger for elite play doesnt mean our sons dont. Many of us push because we know the end results
Well I guess I wasted my money on the CRABS tryout. New coaching staff had a lot of energy, but very few players. Just got communication and 2029's aren't listed. Terrible communication on what is going on...........................
Thanks for interest in Crab Lacrosse and attending tryouts this week.
Coaches will let players know, either way, for the 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2030 teams by Wednesday July 20.
2033, 2032 and 2031 teams will have their make- up tryout on Thursday July 21st
2033-2032 5pm-6pm on Keeney Field
2031 530pm - 630pm on Connor Field
Enjoy your weekend and good luck to those that are playing this weekend!
If you make the team, you will be happy with Club and what it brings.
My son attended as well and numbers for 2029's were extremely low. I didn't get the communication above, however I don't see how they will have enough for a 2029 team unless they take over another team.
This is so funny. Grown people talking about 11 year olds and speaking as though it’s their livelihood that’s on the line. Let the kids play. It’s so ridiculous how grown adults have created a culture of unrealistic dreams and promises and are using children yes children as pawns in your messed up mind games and personal fantasies. If you want a trophy of accolades you can brag about I will be more that happy to send one. I will even create a cv for you will everything you would have wanted to win. Read these posts through someone else’s eyes. Read this thread through you son’s eyes and ask yourself what they would think. Oh and just to let you know I am not one of these parents on a team that loses just they complete opposites part of a team with a highly successful track record.
Just because your child does not show the hunger for elite play doesnt mean our sons dont. Many of us push because we know the end results
Push. Instead of letting them do it at their pace and have fun while doing it, instead of tired and overworked and trained. But whatever. To each his own.
Looking for my son to try for 2029 club teams. Was looking at Koopers, but understand they are now apart of True Lacrosse? Any advice on True Baltimore program or are there two programs now True Baltimore and True Koopers?
Thanks for any insight...........
Looking for my son to try for 2029 club teams. Was looking at Koopers, but understand they are now apart of True Lacrosse? Any advice on True Baltimore program or are there two programs now True Baltimore and True Koopers?
Thanks for any insight...........
Supposedly they are going to remain different.
The answer to your question is really: what do you and your son want to get out of club play? Has anyone impartially assessed his performance so far?
The lower level 1/3 of clubs (True Baltimore, great example) are really rec-level play "with a club experience"......and with club costs. The upper 1/3 of clubs are skilled, athletic and pretty well coached...mostly kids who will start in middle school next year. Middle third also have skilled players but questionable depth, these kids will play (or at least make roster) at their middle schools.
Take a peek at the Howard County Lacrosse League Standings (google search) for Spring 2022. Click on 2029, regular season, then Elite, AAA, AA, and A (lowest).
See their websites, see what you like (and how their websites differ from their game results lol). Don't overthink the decision, it's only a year. Try your best to figure out the best fit.
Can we get a '31 and '32 forum, please?
Please explain what THE END RESULT is when you push? Is it scholarships, money, social status, just want to clarify what you mean by THE END RESULT. I never mentioned anything about hunger or being pushed or hunger for elite play. I think many kids strive for that. I was commenting on how adults on this thread act and represent their children and the sport of lacrosse. At recent tournaments I have seen parents screaming to their kids with the most degrading, embarrassing, and irresponsible way. Things I have heard .... "You are lazy get you butt moving!" (While kid was on the field playing). Walking off the field after winning "You F!@#ing stunk today! I can't F!@(^ing believe you played like that". If this is ok and acceptable to you so be it. I want to leave this on a positive note. Lacrosse is about growing the game. I have seen great relationships build among boys from many teams across Maryland that have recognized each other from tournaments for their play and have acknowledged each other on the field. It's about them.
Large corporate clubs have said similar things before. Look at some of the corporate club’s previous acquisitions and “partnerships.”
Make sure you know what team your son is trying out for and who the coaches are. Does the old coach have real roster authority? Keep emails. Hold the company accountable for bait and switch.
Parents think their kids are trying out for the old, same respected club they used to play for.
These large corporate clubs may even hold separate tryouts. They may make promises and even schedule tryouts at different times and places. Promise they will
keep the coaches.
But they won’t tell you those old coaches have no say over their roster or cuts.
Then they take 14 kids who tried out for the old respected club and combine it with 8 kids who tried out for their corporate club team from a separate tryout.
And because the tryouts are held later in the summer than most teams, your son will have few options. Play for our corporate team, or go somewhere else. But they can dangle state, regional and national teams….you can pay extra for…
Parents need to ask questions up front and hold these companies accountable for bait and switches.
Buyer be VERY aware. Have a backup option.
Wait is Crabs actually having younger teams this year?
Their third grade teams entered Hoco last year and won 1 game. I think they pulled their second graders out of hoco after week 3. They lost the first two games by a combined 32-0. Sheesh. Stick to rec, kids. The crabs aren’t really worth the time until 7th-8th grade.
Thanks for the tryout insight..............
Just curious, from a competivitve standpoint, who are the top 2029 teams in Baltimore County? Not looking to travel outside of Baltimore County.
FCA, distant second LTLC. Tie for 3rd: HLC, predators
Unknown: Koopers new roster.
Everybody else: Fancy Rec Ball.
Avoid: True Baltimore, Team 91.......both stink, no indication either has figured out a solution (most of 91 left for Predators last year). True is coached by the Mastermind who blew up Crabs 2029.
Thanks for the tryout insight..............
Just curious, from a competivitve standpoint, who are the top 2029 teams in Baltimore County? Not looking to travel outside of Baltimore County.
FCA
LTLC
91
I think I saw that the LTLC tryouts are this week.
Good luck! The clubs mentioned have strong parent dynamics so I'd suggest you get a good look at what you're signing on for with all of them. They all have their pluses and minuses. Some more so than others!
Thanks for the tryout insight..............
Just curious, from a competivitve standpoint, who are the top 2029 teams in Baltimore County? Not looking to travel outside of Baltimore County.
FCA
LTLC
91
91 lol.
I agree take a close look at the sidelines. iI's not only what you see on the field but also what you see off the field the supports the developement of players. Many positives and somethings are questionable.
I agree take a close look at the sidelines. iI's not only what you see on the field but also what you see off the field the supports the developement of players. Many positives and somethings are questionable.
Be ready to take a knee for fca.
I agree take a close look at the sidelines. iI's not only what you see on the field but also what you see off the field the supports the developement of players. Many positives and somethings are questionable.
Be ready to take a knee for fca.
Take a knee??? What exactly does that mean?
I agree take a close look at the sidelines. iI's not only what you see on the field but also what you see off the field the supports the developement of players. Many positives and somethings are questionable.
Can you elaborate? Don’t want to join a club with those negative dynamics…
I agree take a close look at the sidelines. iI's not only what you see on the field but also what you see off the field the supports the developement of players. Many positives and somethings are questionable.
Can you elaborate? Don’t want to join a club with those negative dynamics…
If I was reading between the lines here I would guess that is referring to parent dynamics. There is no perfect club, my kid has been playing for four years and every year and team is different. Sometimes you get a great group of families and other times you do not—some clubs may have these issues more than others but if they do it usually goes back to poor communication or unrealistic expectations. You will hear many complain about Coaches who have kids on the team but I think that issue is often overblown.
My suggestion is go to a few tryouts talk to the coaches and talk to some of the parents who had kids on the team already, you should get a good feel for what you are signing up for if you get an offer. Also look at past results for those teams, past success or lack thereof may confirm what you get out of those interactions with the coaches and parents.
Lastly take everything you read on this page with a grain of salt, some people on here are just bashing other programs with limited or biased information. It is not uncommon for views on here to be slanted because of bad interactions with opposing parents at a tough fought game, we all root for our kids teams and sometimes in too close proximity and things are said that lead to a perception that this team is full of bad apples which may not always be a fair assessment.
I agree take a close look at the sidelines. iI's not only what you see on the field but also what you see off the field the supports the developement of players. Many positives and somethings are questionable.
Congratulations!!!! You just described every club out there. All teams have their issues in some shape or form.
I agree take a close look at the sidelines. iI's not only what you see on the field but also what you see off the field the supports the developement of players. Many positives and somethings are questionable.
Congratulations!!!! You just described every club out there. All teams have their issues in some shape or form.
Correct. There is no perfect club or team. Your gonna have to make concessions. Coaching style is what we look for. We prefer accountability, which a lot of coaches are afraid to do these days. Too afraid little Johnny will jump ship.
How did Preds, FCA, and Crabs 2029 tryouts look so far? Any movement? How many tryout players?
How did Preds, FCA, and Crabs 2029 tryouts look so far? Any movement? How many tryout players?
Is crabs even fielding a 29 team? They seem to be falling apart at years 2027 and below
How did Preds, FCA, and Crabs 2029 tryouts look so far? Any movement? How many tryout players?
Preds about 35-40.......50% current players (former T91), 25% current T91, 25% assorted rec club players (LTLC, Kelly Post, Forest Hill, various True teams etc). A few Crabs, not many. A few FCA.
FCA about 40-50, wide assortment of helmets but current players (50% of tryout kids) need only attend one session. Not expecting much turnover.
Crabs about 0, no 2029 team since the last coach ran off all the parents and kids a year ago.
91........starts today I believe
Koopers.........starts today I believe
Rec Clubs - not sure of status........LTLC, KP, Claws, Forest Hill
Are people seeing a lot of 2028 holdbacks at 2029 tryouts? Just curious....
Any insight on Team 91 MD 2029 team? Got an offer, but wasn't my sons first choice. Are a lot of people leaving or are they going to be improved?
What's the value you get with a club like Predators, FCA, or 91 vs. LTLC??
First time walking through this process and the sticker price at LTLC seems much more valuable for what you get.
Thanks for any input......
Sorry to piggyback on your question but as a dad new to all this I’d appreciate any info as to what the price tag is (roughly) of LTLC or any other travel lacrosse teams in the area.
Just for club dues, are we talking around $3,000/year? Are there really significant price differences between clubs?
Sorry to piggyback on your question but as a dad new to all this I’d appreciate any info as to what the price tag is (roughly) of LTLC or any other travel lacrosse teams in the area.
Just for club dues, are we talking around $3,000/year? Are there really significant price differences between clubs?
You may want to ask the clubs specifically but I think I Kelly post or LTLC will run you less than $1000, where as most other clubs being $2k+ at this age group. I’ve heard predators is extremely expensive but I don’t have a kid playing there so can’t confirm.
Any insight on Team 91 MD 2029 team? Got an offer, but wasn't my sons first choice. Are a lot of people leaving or are they going to be improved?
A year ago, almost the entire team left, with over half going to Predators. Another half of this past year's 91 team was trying out for Predators last week. I'm sure they have spots!
Any insight on Team 91 MD 2029 team? Got an offer, but wasn't my sons first choice. Are a lot of people leaving or are they going to be improved?
What team was he hoping for? t91 probably remains at bottom of Elite group, that isn’t horrible but if other option is a AAA team that has a chance to win that may be a factor to consider.
What's the value you get with a club like Predators, FCA, or 91 vs. LTLC??
First time walking through this process and the sticker price at LTLC seems much more valuable for what you get.
Thanks for any input......
Compare what you get, practices, spring league, fall and summer tournaments,,,if clubs are offering similar things at much different pricing levels then ask yourself what is the difference? Maybe it is coaching, maybe it is more position based trainings, maybe it is elite level versus lower levels but Predators were AA last year so presumably it is other things,,,if in your assessment offerings are equal then you are just paying for a name brand and is that necessary for a 6th grade team? Many folks will have different opinions on that I am sure.
What's the value you get with a club like Predators, FCA, or 91 vs. LTLC??
First time walking through this process and the sticker price at LTLC seems much more valuable for what you get.
Thanks for any input......
Compare what you get, practices, spring league, fall and summer tournaments,,,if clubs are offering similar things at much different pricing levels then ask yourself what is the difference? Maybe it is coaching, maybe it is more position based trainings, maybe it is elite level versus lower levels but Predators were AA last year so presumably it is other things,,,if in your assessment offerings are equal then you are just paying for a name brand and is that necessary for a 6th grade team? Many folks will have different opinions on that I am sure.
Yes, Recreation-based programs (LTLC, HOCO, Etc.) are typically much less expensive than private clubs. Part of the difference are field rental costs and staffing. Rec. programs generally get help by the County. The tournaments are typically the local and less expensive one. Tournament costs are a large part of a team’s budget. The biggest problem with the recreation-based programs is retaining their best players. Eventually, the best kids want to play on the best teams and wear the swag to school. Elite level clubs also attract the best coaches. There are few instances where a LTLC or HOCO can run with the “blue blood” clubs past 6th grade. Another issue I’ve found is the player turnover with the elite clubs. Ever year it seems that 1/3rd of the players get replace by better players. Things can get complicated.
Are people seeing a lot of 2028 holdbacks at 2029 tryouts? Just curious....
Typically, the first wave of holdbacks are kids with summer birthday. These kids where held back in school early-on, but were good enough to play at the older group for a while. The actual hold backs, primarily for advantage in sports, starts in 7th and is more wide-spread in 8th grade.
Any word on how the dust is settling at the 2029 levels after tryouts?
Heard Predators picked up 7-8 new players that will probel them even further.
Team 91 MD is still looking?
LTLC still going on, but heard they had 3-4 studs come out?
FCA?
Crabs?
Koopers?
Thoughts on having 29’ play year round or play other sports in the off season. Seems like the rec club team support this compres to the private clubs a little more.
As long as your playing other sports in addition to lax year round is fine. But every coach is looking for atheletes who happen to be good at lacrosse. One sport is not the way.
The most important thing is each kid's passion and work ethic. If he put his stick down after his last game in May, and hasn't picked it back up, he maybe doesn't want to play all year. Or he's not ready for that pressure. Not a dealbreaker at this age. At the end of 8th grade....yes.
Also, there's "playing all year" and PLAYING ALL YEAR.
Most coaches and pediatricians agree:
1) Some "time off" is good
2) It doesn't hurt to pick up the stick a few times a week in the off-season (Aug-January) ("playing all year")
3) Huge benefits to focusing on different sports in fall and winter, maybe working out with lax on their day off their winter sport.
That said, there are some clubs that want you playing lax 3-5x per week, plus 4 fall tourneys, plus a fall box league, plus a winter box league, plus 5-6 summer tournaments. "PLAYING ALL YEAR." I'm not really confident that's good for most athletes under 15 years old. And it's offered/required by some clubs.
Curious to hear what 2029 teams improved and picked up new additions?
Hawks?
Madlax?
Next Level?
True Annapolis?
Bethesda?
LTLC?
Team 91 MD?
FCA?
Predators?
Word on the street is that two true players heading to hawks. Their best middie and a starting defender. But they have one more tryout next week so I think that is just hearsay for now.
Heard Bethesda lost some key players not sure where they went...
I hope it’s not true. If so, which true?
Aren’t all the “true’s” the same now. They are literally cherry picking kids from all their regional teams to try to compete. Then they are also going to be putting kids from all over the country on their hoco rosters and having them come in for games they need help.
True had become the biggest joke in hoco. Already a joke nationally.
Aren’t all the “true’s” the same now. They are literally cherry picking kids from all their regional teams to try to compete. Then they are also going to be putting kids from all over the country on their hoco rosters and having them come in for games they need help.
True had become the biggest joke in hoco. Already a joke nationally.
True Baltimore 2028 failed a roster check in the 2021 HoCo semifinals and sent 7? kids off the field.
The 2024s were DQ'ed from a tournament in 2019 after hiding an unrostered player underneath a snack table in their tent.
So you are a little late to the party. True will play anybody they can fly in to support their corporate brand. The difference between them and Crabs, 91, Madlax etc is that those teams make sure they get the "guest players" on the approved roster. For True, the approved roster is more like a "suggestion."
Curious to hear what 2029 teams improved and picked up new additions?
Hawks?
Madlax?
Next Level?
True Annapolis?
Bethesda?
LTLC?
Team 91 MD?
FCA?
Predators?
So hawks may have gotten a good true player or two.
What other upgrades are in the works for other teams?
Confirmed that Bethesda did lose several key player to NL and Madlax.
LTLC lost 1-2, no one significant, but didn't gain anyone either
Predators added 6-7 new players and should be much better
Team Marylanad added some new talent
FCA lost a couple younger guys, but not sure what they added
Team91 MD lost a few, but picked up some new talent as well
True Baltimore 2028 failed a roster check in the 2021 HoCo semifinals and sent 7? kids off the field.
The 2024s were DQ'ed from a tournament in 2019 after hiding an unrostered player underneath a snack table in their tent.
So you are a little late to the party. True will play anybody they can fly in to support their corporate brand. The difference between them and Crabs, 91, Madlax etc is that those teams make sure they get the "guest players" on the approved roster. For True, the approved roster is more like a "suggestion."
True rosters are upmost always inaccurate. True Baltimore 26s added a couple kids mid-year last season after rosters were already submitted.
And the league sent out a memo- the True director got kicked off the sidelines for not wearing his badge. He told the ref he was going to get it from the car. And hoped the ref wouldn’t follow up.
It’s Amateur Hour over there.
LTLC lost 1-2 players who reclassed to 2030. Not sure what 2030 team they ended up on.
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
Aren’t all the “true’s” the same now. They are literally cherry picking kids from all their regional teams to try to compete. Then they are also going to be putting kids from all over the country on their hoco rosters and having them come in for games they need help.
True had become the biggest joke in hoco. Already a joke nationally.
A joke nationally is a bit of a stretch. Their ‘28 team is ranked #1 in the country. Wonder what that means for all the teams below them.
Their 28 team is rarely the same team twice and got their clocks cleaned this summer (games i witnessed) which has yet to be addressed in the rankings (submission changes were due yesterday). The team they had in January at theUSCL tourney in Orlando was stellar, however. How they played since was not elite.
Please. Their 28 team is ranked #1…according to an algorithm that has them playing in three events. Give me a break.
When they beat the hawks we can talk. That same hawks team that just took that number 1 ranked teams best goalie, defender and attackman. They don’t compete with the east coast teams at all. And when they do they get beat by 10.
True is a joke.
Their 28 team is rarely the same team twice and got their clocks cleaned this summer (games i witnessed) which has yet to be addressed in the rankings (submission changes were due yesterday). The team they had in January at theUSCL tourney in Orlando was stellar, however. How they played since was not elite.
Don’t know what games they got their clocks cleaned. Maybe updated rankings will reflect but #1 ranking and 20-2 record is pretty good.
Please. Their 28 team is ranked #1…according to an algorithm that has them playing in three events. Give me a break.
When they beat the hawks we can talk. That same hawks team that just took that number 1 ranked teams best goalie, defender and attackman. They don’t compete with the east coast teams at all. And when they do they get beat by 10.
True is a joke.
True IS a joke. But the 2028 national black team is legit. Now it’s a national team that pulls from like a pool of 400 kids but it’s good. The totally could beat the hawks. Hawks has lost to worse teams you know.
Anyway, the best True real teams are true annapolis. And that is thanks to the Cutters. Has nothing to do with them developing a soul.
Please. Their 28 team is ranked #1…according to an algorithm that has them playing in three events. Give me a break.
When they beat the hawks we can talk. That same hawks team that just took that number 1 ranked teams best goalie, defender and attackman. They don’t compete with the east coast teams at all. And when they do they get beat by 10.
True is a joke.
True IS a joke. But the 2028 national black team is legit. Now it’s a national team that pulls from like a pool of 400 kids but it’s good. The totally could beat the hawks. Hawks has lost to worse teams you know.
Anyway, the best True real teams are true annapolis. And that is thanks to the Cutters. Has nothing to do with them developing a soul.
Fair to say the ‘29 team is also legit. Only played at Naptown but had one practice and lost twice in one goal games to Madlax National.
My reference was meant to talk about the regional teams that feed it. Someone made the comment that tries national team was number one and made the inference that if they were good then they wonder how good the regional teams were. My point was that they aren’t good. Except maybe in their own region (outside of Annapolis/md) Bc in this region they are not anywhere close to being king.
True national black has historically been good but that too started with mostly USS kids. That was the first national team to hand 2028 madlax it’s first loss down in Orlando.
Honestly why are we talking about a national team anyway? So what, true has one decent team and it’s a national team.
Hawks parents are so annoying.
Hawks parents are so annoying.
True, that!
Every age group is different, but generally Hawks and ML parents get all amped-up and lose perspective that it’s just youth sports. A lot can happen between 6th grade and HS, so just relax and let the kids have fun.
2026 hawks parents have chilled out considerably in the last year or so once they started losing some games. Until 7th grade when they were like 92-1 the parents were out of control. Losing can be humbling I guess.
Please. Their 28 team is ranked #1…according to an algorithm that has them playing in three events. Give me a break.
When they beat the hawks we can talk. That same hawks team that just took that number 1 ranked teams best goalie, defender and attackman. They don’t compete with the east coast teams at all. And when they do they get beat by 10.
True is a joke.
True IS a joke. But the 2028 national black team is legit. Now it’s a national team that pulls from like a pool of 400 kids but it’s good. The totally could beat the hawks. Hawks has lost to worse teams you know.
Anyway, the best True real teams are true annapolis. And that is thanks to the Cutters. Has nothing to do with them developing a soul.
I believe the Hawks just nabbed four of the original Cutters and they only have like 2 left on that True Annapolis team….so their National Black team will suffer…
2026 hawks parents have chilled out considerably in the last year or so once they started losing some games. Until 7th grade when they were like 92-1 the parents were out of control. Losing can be humbling I guess.
So true. They have mellowed quite a bit.
Heard Bethesda lost some key players not sure where they went...
The two best players from BLC just went to Madlax
Looks like the gap between hawks/madlax and everyone else got a little bigger
Anyone know if anyone good is at elite six?
Anyone know if anyone good is at elite six?
I heard they had a hard time getting teams. Not surprising, fall sports are in high gear and lots of conflicts. Maybe Sunday would have been a better choice?
Heard Bethesda lost some key players not sure where they went...
The two best players from BLC just went to Madlax
Heard ML did some active recruitment for those two BLC players
I doubt much active recruitment was needed. BLC got absolutely crushed at the end of last season, so it’s not a surprise some players would be looking to bail.
Heard Bethesda lost some key players not sure where they went...
The two best players from BLC just went to Madlax
Heard ML did some active recruitment for those two BLC players
Thanks for the update salty NL dad
Apparently ML had 25+ kids tryout.
There wasn't a big recruitment effort for the BLC kids move to ML. Most of their school friends left a year or two ago to ML. It's about friends playing with friends. Bound to happen.
Is Warthogs having a winter season this year after FISC closed?
Just curious what fall tournaments teams are playing in?
Also wanted to know if anyone could recommend an indoor / box leagues for 2029 teams in the Maryland / Baltimore area.
Just curious what fall tournaments teams are playing in?
Also wanted to know if anyone could recommend an indoor / box leagues for 2029 teams in the Maryland / Baltimore area.
Crease has Box tryouts beginning this Sunday and they appear to have a 2029 option.
bit.ly/creasebox22
Crease has tryouts this Sunday at Goals Baltimore
Crease Box Lacrosse
Tryout #1: Sunday, September 25th
Times:
• 2029/2030 (Boys) (3-4:15pm)
• 2029/2030 (Girls) (3:30-4:45pm)
• 2028/2027: (4:45-6pm)
• HS JV: (5:30-7pm)
Just curious what fall tournaments teams are playing in?
Also wanted to know if anyone could recommend an indoor / box leagues for 2029 teams in the Maryland / Baltimore area.
Yeah, I'm interested in this as well. Surprised their are no indoor leagues that a 2029 team could partiicpate in for the summer. Nothing at GOALS, etc??
Is Warthogs having a winter season this year after FISC closed?
I emailed the director of the league / coyotes / warthogs etc and have not heard back in 2+ weeks.
Did True Annapolis 2029 fall apart or lose a lot of players to Hawks? Didn't seem like the same squad as last year, but I could be wrong.
Where did you see them play?
are you Spying on practice from the parking lot or something?
Probably went to ProStart, where I heard a lot of True ended up
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
LOL
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
LOL
Congratulations to him on getting a chance to do 6th grade a second time. How impressive.
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
LOL
This is hilarious.
I have not seen them play this fall, but I did hear that a handful of the top True Annapolis 2029 players went to Hawks and Prostart. Again just what I heard.
Any 2029 teams playing in the MMILL league this winter?
http://www.indoorlax.net/Curious what the competition will look like.
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
LOL
Congratulations to him on getting a chance to do 6th grade a second time. How impressive.
Disappointing, yes, but that's on Mom & Dad. Great kid, great athlete.
Did True Annapolis 2029 fall apart or lose a lot of players to Hawks? Didn't seem like the same squad as last year, but I could be wrong.
Pretty sure True Annapolis is no longer....believe it is now called True Chesapeake. True Baltimore, True Koopers.............True Bologna!
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
LOL
Congratulations to him on getting a chance to do 6th grade a second time. How impressive.
You are a clown. Mind your business and leave people’s kids alone.
lost.
Did True Annapolis 2029 fall apart or lose a lot of players to Hawks? Didn't seem like the same squad as last year, but I could be wrong.
Pretty sure True Annapolis is no longer....believe it is now called True Chesapeake. True Baltimore, True Koopers.............True Bologna!
Anyone who's in a club leadership or coaching position needs to look at what True did "with" (to) Koopers to see what the "True partnership" process really is. Koopers was a great club full of 2nd and 3rd line MIAA kids and some public school starters. Well run, non-elite club that struggled at the end with coaching commitments and field availability, but all involved really cared about the players and their success.
True steps in (Day 1): Hey Koopers families, we're partnering with True, to make sure you have plenty of available fields and backup coaches for when we're in a pinch. We won't change anything else! And it's being run by True National, not True Baltimore! It's all about resources for the players.
Day 30: All Koopers tryouts signups are through True Baltimore website (not True National)
Day 60: True informs Koopers families that their new name is "True Baltimore Black" with no logo or reference to Koopers
Day 90: No former Koopers coaches listed on True website
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
LOL
Congratulations to him on getting a chance to do 6th grade a second time. How impressive.
Disappointing, yes, but that's on Mom & Dad. Great kid, great athlete.
Parents are challenging him in trying to make the A honor roll back to back years in 6th grade. Impressive.
Did True Annapolis 2029 fall apart or lose a lot of players to Hawks? Didn't seem like the same squad as last year, but I could be wrong.
Pretty sure True Annapolis is no longer....believe it is now called True Chesapeake. True Baltimore, True Koopers.............True Bologna!
Anyone who's in a club leadership or coaching position needs to look at what True did "with" (to) Koopers to see what the "True partnership" process really is. Koopers was a great club full of 2nd and 3rd line MIAA kids and some public school starters. Well run, non-elite club that struggled at the end with coaching commitments and field availability, but all involved really cared about the players and their success.
True steps in (Day 1): Hey Koopers families, we're partnering with True, to make sure you have plenty of available fields and backup coaches for when we're in a pinch. We won't change anything else! And it's being run by True National, not True Baltimore! It's all about resources for the players.
Day 30: All Koopers tryouts signups are through True Baltimore website (not True National)
Day 60: True informs Koopers families that their new name is "True Baltimore Black" with no logo or reference to Koopers
Day 90: No former Koopers coaches listed on True website
Whatever became of the True Kelly Post takeover?
Is FCA moving up to elite this year
Teams that are on the fence typically play fall tournaments, and probably the early spring tournaments, before making final decisions. HOCO league also has a say in the matter.
FCA gained a big and fast 2028 who just reclassed to 2029.
LOL
Congratulations to him on getting a chance to do 6th grade a second time. How impressive.
You are a clown. Mind your business and leave people’s kids alone.
lost.
Thanks FCA Holdback Dad
Did True Annapolis 2029 fall apart or lose a lot of players to Hawks? Didn't seem like the same squad as last year, but I could be wrong.
Pretty sure True Annapolis is no longer....believe it is now called True Chesapeake. True Baltimore, True Koopers.............True Bologna!
Anyone who's in a club leadership or coaching position needs to look at what True did "with" (to) Koopers to see what the "True partnership" process really is. Koopers was a great club full of 2nd and 3rd line MIAA kids and some public school starters. Well run, non-elite club that struggled at the end with coaching commitments and field availability, but all involved really cared about the players and their success.
True steps in (Day 1): Hey Koopers families, we're partnering with True, to make sure you have plenty of available fields and backup coaches for when we're in a pinch. We won't change anything else! And it's being run by True National, not True Baltimore! It's all about resources for the players.
Day 30: All Koopers tryouts signups are through True Baltimore website (not True National)
Day 60: True informs Koopers families that their new name is "True Baltimore Black" with no logo or reference to Koopers
Day 90: No former Koopers coaches listed on True website
Whatever became of the True Kelly Post takeover?
27 Team decided not to become True Baltimore so partnership dissolved
Did True Annapolis 2029 fall apart or lose a lot of players to Hawks? Didn't seem like the same squad as last year, but I could be wrong.
Pretty sure True Annapolis is no longer....believe it is now called True Chesapeake. True Baltimore, True Koopers.............True Bologna!
Anyone who's in a club leadership or coaching position needs to look at what True did "with" (to) Koopers to see what the "True partnership" process really is. Koopers was a great club full of 2nd and 3rd line MIAA kids and some public school starters. Well run, non-elite club that struggled at the end with coaching commitments and field availability, but all involved really cared about the players and their success.
True steps in (Day 1): Hey Koopers families, we're partnering with True, to make sure you have plenty of available fields and backup coaches for when we're in a pinch. We won't change anything else! And it's being run by True National, not True Baltimore! It's all about resources for the players.
Day 30: All Koopers tryouts signups are through True Baltimore website (not True National)
Day 60: True informs Koopers families that their new name is "True Baltimore Black" with no logo or reference to Koopers
Day 90: No former Koopers coaches listed on True website
Whatever became of the True Kelly Post takeover?
27 Team decided not to become True Baltimore so partnership dissolved
That, and the 2028 team went into True, and then backed out of it when True hit them with the, "Oh we're changing everything over here, including your longtime coach" reality of their operation.
Until this past summer, the younger teams (29-31) and I think the 2026s were still KP True.
Now the experiment is over, thankfully.
Will be interesting to see how HOCO 2029 Elite shakes out this spring. In previous years HOCO seemed to allow more teams in the elite division if they were deserving as long as they had an even amount of teams. Last year, for the first time I can remember, HOCO took a hard stance and didn't allow more than 8 teams in the division at any age group. If you look at what they did for the 2026 division, they had more than 8 teams wanting to be in "elite" and they ended up having a one day play day between 3 teams for the final 8th spot. Here are last years standings:
2029 HOCO
1. Madlax (6-1) ***Elite Champion
2. Hawks (7-0)
3. Next Level (5-2)
4. VLC See (3-4)
5. Bethesda Blue (3-4)
6. True Annapolis (3-4)
7. LTLC (1-6)
8. 91 MD (0-7)
9. FCA (7-0) ****AAA Champion
10. Team Maryland (6-1)
So looks like LTLC and 91 MD might considering bumping down and if not would defintiely be in the hunt for those last 2 spots. FCA would certainly want to move up and maybe Team Maryland? Should be interesting to see how it shakes out. My prediction..........Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, VLC, Bethesda, True Annapolis, FCA, and LTLC.
Bethesda lost a lot of their talent this off season
No way they stay in Elite
Bethesda lost a lot of their talent this off season
No way they stay in Elite
Where did their top guys go....Madlax? Next Level?
Will be interesting to see how HOCO 2029 Elite shakes out this spring. In previous years HOCO seemed to allow more teams in the elite division if they were deserving as long as they had an even amount of teams. Last year, for the first time I can remember, HOCO took a hard stance and didn't allow more than 8 teams in the division at any age group. If you look at what they did for the 2026 division, they had more than 8 teams wanting to be in "elite" and they ended up having a one day play day between 3 teams for the final 8th spot. Here are last years standings:
2029 HOCO
1. Madlax (6-1) ***Elite Champion
2. Hawks (7-0)
3. Next Level (5-2)
4. VLC See (3-4)
5. Bethesda Blue (3-4)
6. True Annapolis (3-4)
7. LTLC (1-6)
8. 91 MD (0-7)
9. FCA (7-0) ****AAA Champion
10. Team Maryland (6-1)
So looks like LTLC and 91 MD might considering bumping down and if not would defintiely be in the hunt for those last 2 spots. FCA would certainly want to move up and maybe Team Maryland? Should be interesting to see how it shakes out. My prediction..........Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, VLC, Bethesda, True Annapolis, FCA, and LTLC.
If they limit to 8 teams I'm guessing..........Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, VLC, True Annapolis, FCA, LTLC, 91 MD
Will be interesting to see how HOCO 2029 Elite shakes out this spring. In previous years HOCO seemed to allow more teams in the elite division if they were deserving as long as they had an even amount of teams. Last year, for the first time I can remember, HOCO took a hard stance and didn't allow more than 8 teams in the division at any age group. If you look at what they did for the 2026 division, they had more than 8 teams wanting to be in "elite" and they ended up having a one day play day between 3 teams for the final 8th spot. Here are last years standings:
2029 HOCO
1. Madlax (6-1) ***Elite Champion
2. Hawks (7-0)
3. Next Level (5-2)
4. VLC See (3-4)
5. Bethesda Blue (3-4)
6. True Annapolis (3-4)
7. LTLC (1-6)
8. 91 MD (0-7)
9. FCA (7-0) ****AAA Champion
10. Team Maryland (6-1)
So looks like LTLC and 91 MD might considering bumping down and if not would defintiely be in the hunt for those last 2 spots. FCA would certainly want to move up and maybe Team Maryland? Should be interesting to see how it shakes out. My prediction..........Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, VLC, Bethesda, True Annapolis, FCA, and LTLC.
This is a good take. LTLC lost some talent including a reclass to 2030. 91 lost their entire team to Predators a year ago and apparently replaced it with....nothing. Both need to go down to AAA. Don't think Millon will allow 91 to drop, though. "Our club's identity is elite." I think it's a pretty solid bet that both Team MD and FCA can hold their own (.500 ish) in Elite. Maybe BLC will drop as someone else suggested.
Problem with elite in 29’s will be the top 3 teams are way better than the bottom 5
Could really say top 2
[quote=Anonymous]
including a reclass to 2030. .
LOL
Problem with elite in 29’s will be the top 3 teams are way better than the bottom 5
Could really say top 2
Say hello to AAAA!
Problem with elite in 29’s will be the top 3 teams are way better than the bottom 5
Could really say top 2
This is correct.
FCA will catch up in the next year or so as they will be the only real elite option in Baltimore and kids probably will consolidate.
Crabs remain a non factor until the 28s all holdback next year.
Problem with elite in 29’s will be the top 3 teams are way better than the bottom 5
Could really say top 2
This is correct.
FCA will catch up in the next year or so as they will be the only real elite option in Baltimore and kids probably will consolidate.
Crabs remain a non factor until the 28s all holdback next year.
LTLC is the team in Baltimore to beat right now at 2029. They picked up some new talent from Forest Hill 2029 as several plaers departed when the coach left. Will be interesting to see if CRABS will ever break through at the 2029 level. FCA is good as well.
Problem with elite in 29’s will be the top 3 teams are way better than the bottom 5
Could really say top 2
This is correct.
FCA will catch up in the next year or so as they will be the only real elite option in Baltimore and kids probably will consolidate.
Crabs remain a non factor until the 28s all holdback next year.
LTLC is the team in Baltimore to beat right now at 2029. They picked up some new talent from Forest Hill 2029 as several plaers departed when the coach left. Will be interesting to see if CRABS will ever break through at the 2029 level. FCA is good as well.
The Crabs had plenty of talent to break through before Coach Vanilla Ice cut most of the team, and the return players' parents said no thanks (aside from Mini Vanilla Ice).
FCA will beat LTLC with a hand tied behind their back. Will not even be close. And the players from Forest Hill were cut by FCA, so there's that. How many LTLC 2029 kids reclassed to 2030 this summer? It's not zero.
So funny where people get heir information. FCA lost players to other clubs. LTLC hasn’t changed much. Crabs is still a hot mess. Predators and the “new” koopers are well new. XNuz
Problem with elite in 29’s will be the top 3 teams are way better than the bottom 5
Could really say top 2
This is correct.
FCA will catch up in the next year or so as they will be the only real elite option in Baltimore and kids probably will consolidate.
Crabs remain a non factor until the 28s all holdback next year.
LTLC is the team in Baltimore to beat right now at 2029. They picked up some new talent from Forest Hill 2029 as several plaers departed when the coach left. Will be interesting to see if CRABS will ever break through at the 2029 level. FCA is good as well.
The Crabs had plenty of talent to break through before Coach Vanilla Ice cut most of the team, and the return players' parents said no thanks (aside from Mini Vanilla Ice).
FCA will beat LTLC with a hand tied behind their back. Will not even be close. And the players from Forest Hill were cut by FCA, so there's that. How many LTLC 2029 kids reclassed to 2030 this summer? It's not zero.
For real? Did LTLC really have kids reclass from 2029 to 2030.....or were they already a 2030 and were playing up?
From what I have heard, LTLC has added some new studs that will help take them to the top 4 in the elite division and also provide needed depth. We will see I guess.....
Hears an idea in the hoco league if you are the top team in you group then you move up to the lowest division in the next year. Then if you place last playing up u move down the following year. If you don’t finish last you stay. Competition builds better players. If you can handle that play then u stay. This allows for an equally playing field for skill levels. Just a thought.
FCA had a couple 30's play up last year that are going to play on the 2030 team this year. They did not lose anyone material to their success. They upgraded at goal tender and attack. I would fully expect them to improve on last years performance.
LTLC has peaked. It was a nice run but by the next season the actually elite level kids will leave.
Kelly Post 2.0 at the 2029 level.
That said I’m rooting for LTLC.
Hears an idea in the hoco league if you are the top team in you group then you move up to the lowest division in the next year. Then if you place last playing up u move down the following year. If you don’t finish last you stay. Competition builds better players. If you can handle that play then u stay. This allows for an equally playing field for skill levels. Just a thought.
Basing it on prior year makes sense but you have to factor in other things too. You could finish first in your division and lose kids to another club, given situations like that I think you have to use multiple data points. The first is prior year but then factor in fall tourney results too, that would help to Validate that team is still trending up versus flat or even a decline.
True there are factors to consider. I feel that this really brings out the best of the best. Fall tournaments are tough to include because the teams might be different because of fall sports. I am speaking specifically of the hoco league. The holdbacks would really be able to be assessed for their skills by playing up. I have heard of one player that is playing up 2 years and is holding his own quit well. Playing up has made him so much better. Rather than being held back.
Crabs will be strong and more than likely team to beat in next year or two. Count on it.
Predators while being the talk of Baltimore will be a Top 5 this year and better next year.
Next few years the Top will be ML, Crabs, Predators, Hawks and possibly NL ...The rest lets get real.
Crabs will be strong and more than likely team to beat in next year or two. Count on it.
Predators while being the talk of Baltimore will be a Top 5 this year and better next year.
Next few years the Top will be ML, Crabs, Predators, Hawks and possibly NL ...The rest lets get real.
Possibly the most intriguing post I have ever seen on this thread. Dude just said that the crabs who literally can’t field a team, and the predators who from what I recall has not elite teams will be at the top of elite in the next two years?
Grabbing a very large bucket of popcorn…this man is either a genius or a psycho
Considering the majority of the best players on the best team in the Baltimore region (FCA) all quit Crabs after the Coach Vanilla Ice debacle, where do you think these players are going to come from?
Considering the majority of the best players on the best team in the Baltimore region (FCA) all quit Crabs after the Coach Vanilla Ice debacle, where do you think these players are going to come from?
I’m not the prior poster….I suspect Crabs will rebound in time. They’ve got national recognition and kids will want to be part of that and walk to school with Crabs swag. I suspect the club will wine/dine several coaches who can pull some players. It’ll be interesting to watch.
Crabs will be strong and more than likely team to beat in next year or two. Count on it.
Predators while being the talk of Baltimore will be a Top 5 this year and better next year.
Next few years the Top will be ML, Crabs, Predators, Hawks and possibly NL ...The rest lets get real.
Possibly the most intriguing post I have ever seen on this thread. Dude just said that the crabs who literally can’t field a team, and the predators who from what I recall has not elite teams will be at the top of elite in the next two years?
Grabbing a very large bucket of popcorn…this man is either a genius or a psycho
Spot on, Crabs and Predators will be grabbing the Balt County MIAA boys and MIAA wanta be players in the next couple years. ML and NL will be getting the DC prep school and DC Prep school wanta be players. Hawks get the Annapolis and Glen Burnie MIAA schools and MIAA wanta be players.
The rest Sorry, Jump ship for above teams and play élite or decide on which D2 school you are going to.
,,, FCA has issues that cant be fixed with their CH connection for some reason.
All ready deciding wether they are playing d1. How about building the love of the game so when they get to high school they still want to play. These are 6th graders and you are planning their future? Now that’s a joke and pipe dream. Even the most elite players are lucky to be picked up by a d1 school. Take a realistic look at it pal. The numbers just will never be in your favor.
Hold on. Grabbing more popcorn…the insanity started sooner than I thought. Gonna need more……..
Two pieces of advice don’t play for parent coaches and don’t play for the crabs. They are a terrible organization that will always bring out of town kids in at middle school and high school will be filled with boys latin boarding kids. Coaches encourage kids that aren’t good to hold back to make them look better. Program is run by one of the most ignorant person I have ever seen. top it off their age groups below 26 are not that good
Two pieces of advice don’t play for parent coaches and don’t play for the crabs. They are a terrible organization that will always bring out of town kids in at middle school and high school will be filled with boys latin boarding kids. Coaches encourage kids that aren’t good to hold back to make them look better. Program is run by one of the most ignorant person I have ever seen. top it off their age groups below 26 are not that good
I wonder how many teams in HOCO from Elite and or AAA don’t have dad coaches. My guess is it is not a large number making the suggestion above while good maybe practically impossible given the number of kids versus roster spots on those teams
Two pieces of advice don’t play for parent coaches and don’t play for the crabs. They are a terrible organization that will always bring out of town kids in at middle school and high school will be filled with boys latin boarding kids. Coaches encourage kids that aren’t good to hold back to make them look better. Program is run by one of the most ignorant person I have ever seen. top it off their age groups below 26 are not that good
Pretty sure the 2028s are pretty good, but 8-10 boys will probably be looking for new homes next year as the holdback movement will be flooding the streets. They will be cut or riding the pine.
From what I see 27 and below are average at best.
https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boyslaxfall21
Two pieces of advice don’t play for parent coaches and don’t play for the crabs. They are a terrible organization that will always bring out of town kids in at middle school and high school will be filled with boys latin boarding kids. Coaches encourage kids that aren’t good to hold back to make them look better. Program is run by one of the most ignorant person I have ever seen. top it off their age groups below 26 are not that good
Pretty sure the 2028s are pretty good, but 8-10 boys will probably be looking for new homes next year as the holdback movement will be flooding the streets. They will be cut or riding the pine.
The 28s have never had a winning record in HoCo and have never won a tournament of any consequence.
They aren’t terrible. But are not good.
The problem with the crabs 29s is that by next year in 7th grade, there will be an entire new team.
So if you are on the team now - start browsing or be ready to give the 2030s a call.
Crabs is pretty talented at all levels other than 2029. The fact that they aren't up to par with ML, Hawks and NL doesn't keep them out of the top echelon.
https://www.USCL.com/association_info.php?a=1275&y=2021#anchor
Crabs hasn't had a 2029 team in two years. They cancelled tryouts this summer when they didn't get enough registrations. Unless half the 28 team reclasses, they are going to have a hard time putting a quality squad together at that age group anytime soon.
BOTC CENSORING AGAIN.
Made comment about what a joke the circuit is. Won’t post it.
Crabs hasn't had a 2029 team in two years. They cancelled tryouts this summer when they didn't get enough registrations. Unless half the 28 team reclasses, they are going to have a hard time putting a quality squad together at that age group anytime soon.
Everyone was so sure that Crabs would have a 2029 team this year by having former / current professional players coaching but that did not work. I can assure you that they will not go another year without having a 2029 age group team next year, and from what I hear are offering other coaches / teams the opportunity to migrate over.
Don't play for a team with a Dad coach. Take it from a parent who has boys in older divisions - parent coaching is great for rec lacrosse, but for travel, not so much.
Looking at this past weekends events with respect to 2029 teams.................
1. Circuit - Nationals 2029 destroyed everyone! They beat the 2nd best team BBL Natioanl 18-1. Interesting event.
2. Maryland Lacrosse Tournament - Go Preds 2029! Undefeated on the day. Curious to see them play better comp.
3. Sweet16 - Madlax swept the table going 5-0 and Next Level lost twice to them, but pretty close scores.
4. Chesapeake Fall Classic - Looks like FCA hammered everyone in the A divison and True Baltimore hammered everyone in the B division. Both teams have added talent this year.
I know lots of kids playing fall sports and having conflicts so teams were missing players.
Curious to see if clubs teams are going to have start scheduling around the circut "National" team event?
1 - This tourney couldn’t be a high turnout event talent-wise with scores like that. 3 - Rumor was ML 29s were missing 4-5 players this weekend, most starters.
All ready deciding wether they are playing d1. How about building the love of the game so when they get to high school they still want to play. These are 6th graders and you are planning their future? Now that’s a joke and pipe dream. Even the most elite players are lucky to be picked up by a d1 school. Take a realistic look at it pal. The numbers just will never be in your favor.
Spoken like someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
D1 starts NOW !! Yes, some may fall by the wayside, but if you want D1, now is the time to get on the right team and training mindset.
Better hop on the D1 train before it is to late, which may have already happened if you are playing below Elite or AAA now.
Looking at this past weekends events with respect to 2029 teams.................
1. Circuit - Nationals 2029 destroyed everyone! They beat the 2nd best team BBL Natioanl 18-1. Interesting event.
2. Maryland Lacrosse Tournament - Go Preds 2029! Undefeated on the day. Curious to see them play better comp.
3. Sweet16 - Madlax swept the table going 5-0 and Next Level lost twice to them, but pretty close scores.
4. Chesapeake Fall Classic - Looks like FCA hammered everyone in the A divison and True Baltimore hammered everyone in the B division. Both teams have added talent this year.
I know lots of kids playing fall sports and having conflicts so teams were missing players.
Curious to see if clubs teams are going to have start scheduling around the circut "National" team event?
Going forward, the next two circuit events shouldn’t require schedule changes. One is a few days after X-Max and other Memorial Day weekend. Some Baltimore kids on the Redhots from PA.
Ha. Ha. (As I yawn). Providing kids opportunities to play at the highest level is one thing but as you stated to jump on the D1 train. Really? If they are good and a coach/team wants them they will be picked up. The pieces have to fit. As I heard it right from the horses mouth. for example. A number one recruited goalie picked up by the number one team in the country has played no games after 2 years. With the transfer portal he went from a number 3 to a number 2 and now her will be lucky to be a number 3 going into his junior year. This is happening all over the place with players in all positions. Being on a d1 team is cool and can be fun but if no playing time is in your career what does that do nothing. I am all for dedication and commitment but be realistic. I may not know much about what I am talking about but the people playing at D1 schools that I have had the fortunate luxury to become acquainted with do know whats going on. The best will eventually come out.
Saw the Pred's 2029 team compete this past weekend. Have definitely added a few new players (a couple 91 MD helmets). Definitely on their way to being Elite level from what I saw.
Saw the Pred's 2029 team compete this past weekend. Have definitely added a few new players (a couple 91 MD helmets). Definitely on their way to being Elite level from what I saw.
I have to agree with you. Prob a few players away from being Elite. The 2028s looked much improved as well.
Bethesda lost a lot of their talent this off season
No way they stay in Elite
Where did their top guys go....Madlax? Next Level?
Good question. Would also be interested to know.
Saw a couple 2029 teams this weekend NXT : Mid-Atlantic Games. Hawks was definitely the best overall team (3-0), but I think was missing a few normal guys. LTLC has definitely added some talent, but was missing a key guy or two as well (1-2).
Was shocked to see Team Maryland 2029 lose to an FCA team out of Richmond who lost in the championships to Richmond Hawks 2029 at the Aloha Cup. Team Maryland is not ready for elite division yet.
Hawks dominates in Maryland and apparently Virginia now as well.
Saw a couple 2029 teams this weekend NXT : Mid-Atlantic Games. Hawks was definitely the best overall team (3-0), but I think was missing a few normal guys. LTLC has definitely added some talent, but was missing a key guy or two as well (1-2).
Was shocked to see Team Maryland 2029 lose to an FCA team out of Richmond who lost in the championships to Richmond Hawks 2029 at the Aloha Cup. Team Maryland is not ready for elite division yet.
Hawks dominates in Maryland and apparently Virginia now as well.
LTLC lost to NXT and Dukes. Were they missing players, are those teams Elite level, or is LTLC's time in Elite over? If LTLC moves down, who moves up to take their spot - doesn't look like Team Maryland is ready?
Doesn’t look like any elite teams at NXT outside of Hawks.
Think LTLC was missing multiple players. Fall ball no need to evaluate yet. Heard nxt hawks game was close. Also talked to some and heard that many teams had guest players because many kids played fall sports. Who knows what a true assessment is so soon.
ML was missing their best player to hockey. NL would have been a blow out if he didn't have a conflict
ML is the only team who doesn't have multi-sport athletes. They are all there in the Fall acting as if it is Spring!
Research has shown that athletes who do multi sport training end up being better and healthier (Physically and Mentally) athletes in the long run especially at a young age pre high school.
ML is the only team who doesn't have multi-sport athletes. They are all there in the Fall acting as if it is Spring!
whatever makes you feel better for losing to them AGAIN
The majority of the ML team plays multiple sports. We see them everywhere whether football, hockey or basketball. Apparently down 4-5 players in last tournament due to other sports.
Was just told about this forum. It’s pretty funny reading some of this stuff. Hilarious.
As an actual ML 2029 parent, the comment about ML not having multi-sport athletes is absurd. For the most part, they are all multi-sport athletes with broad-based and in many cases conflicting sports commitments. We play with with the kids on our actual team who are available for any given tournament.
Funny stuff on this app. Entertaining.
Was just told about this forum. It’s pretty funny reading some of this stuff. Hilarious.
As an actual ML 2029 parent, the comment about ML not having multi-sport athletes is absurd. For the most part, they are all multi-sport athletes with broad-based and in many cases conflicting sports commitments. We play with with the kids on our actual team who are available for any given tournament.
Funny stuff on this app. Entertaining.
Not half as entertaining as your coaches' sideline meltdowns.
This parent posts a general, harmless comment about ML and their kids playing multiple sports.
You post a comment about ML coaches melting down on the sideline. Not sure who your child plays for, but clearly the ML coaching meltdowns are working. I think ML 2029 won HoCo, NAL, Naptown, Hershey and NLF this year. Maybe more.
Stop the craziness and get on with it...
If you are thinking D1 , hold your child back please. You will thank me.
This is some good reading. Thanks for the great fiction! Any other recommendations for futures readings.
This is some good reading. Thanks for the great fiction! Any other recommendations for futures readings.
"How I Made My Kid Dead Inside, Only to Have Him Drop Out of Team Sports and Develop a Drinking Problem at Age 17 as a Double Holdback 9th Grader."
OR.....
"My Kid Went D1 and Never Got To Set Foot On the Field Ever Again, and Also, He Hasn't Spoken to Me in a Year. So proud. Yes I'll have another Bourbon, put it towards my monthly tab from the Club."
Wait, nevermind, those are the non fiction versions.
If your focus during elite level lacrosse games is on the coaches and not on all of the amazing teams and the skills of the kids on the field, your priorities are off.
Actually respect the hard work these kids across all elite teams put into the process. If you don’t care about that, try rec lax.
If your focus during elite level lacrosse games is on the coaches and not on all of the amazing teams and the skills of the kids on the field, your priorities are off.
Actually respect the hard work these kids across all elite teams put into the process. If you don’t care about that, try rec lax.
Some people would say that your own priorities are off if being an "elite" sixth grade player is more important than learning respect toward opponents, officials, etc., but to each his own.
If your focus during elite level lacrosse games is on the coaches and not on all of the amazing teams and the skills of the kids on the field, your priorities are off.
Actually respect the hard work these kids across all elite teams put into the process. If you don’t care about that, try rec lax.
Your dig at "rec lax" is classy, but actually there are some great players in rec programs whose families choose not to make the investment in travel lacrosse until middle school. If your son is on the bottom half of the MadLax 2029 roster (or any "elite" sixth grade team), don't be surprised if a big, athletic kid who is currently a rec player takes his spot in the next year or two.
Looking at the comment above, is that what the person was saying?
Seems like it was respect the product on the field and the kids out there competing rather than getting lost in the intensity or approach of a coach or coaching staff on any of these teams. Teddy bears tend not to be successful coaches. If you want a teddy bear, buy a stuffed animal.
Curious why you would ask this????
Curious why you would ask this????
Daddy Ball issues same with the 2026 team
Curious why you would ask this????
Daddy Ball issues same with the 2026 team
Fake news…..
Okay enough of the holdback conversations and daddy ball coaching and back to 2029's. Way early 2029 Mid-Atlantic Top 10 Rankings as October comes to a close.....knowing that there is a lot of lacrosse to play over the next 4 weekends. We haven't seen much yet.
1. MADLAX
2. HAWKS
3. NEXT LEVEL
4. LTLC
5. VLC (SEE)
6. TRUE CHESAPEAKE
7. FCA
8. PREDATORS
9. BETHESDA
10. TEAM 91 MD
No argument on the top three.
LTLC at 4 seems awfully high to me. They should be down in the FCA/Bethesda range.
True Chesapeake should be higher.... maybe 4th.
I love the Predators program but having the best AA hoco team leapfrog everyone from the AAA bracket as well as 2 of the bottom Elite teams is insanity. They are a year or two away IMO.
Team Maryland is better than 91.
No argument on the top three.
LTLC at 4 seems awfully high to me. They should be down in the FCA/Bethesda range.
True Chesapeake should be higher.... maybe 4th.
I love the Predators program but having the best AA hoco team leapfrog everyone from the AAA bracket as well as 2 of the bottom Elite teams is insanity. They are a year or two away IMO.
Team Maryland is better than 91.
Agree. Swap Lutherville and true.
No argument on the top three.
LTLC at 4 seems awfully high to me. They should be down in the FCA/Bethesda range.
True Chesapeake should be higher.... maybe 4th.
I love the Predators program but having the best AA hoco team leapfrog everyone from the AAA bracket as well as 2 of the bottom Elite teams is insanity. They are a year or two away IMO.
Team Maryland is better than 91.
Agree. Swap Lutherville and true.
Why swap them, because of the name change? This forum says they lost their best kids to the Hawks, are they getting kids from the entire Chesapeake water shed to warrant the switch? Holdbacks? More training and more training for additional cost?
No argument on the top three.
LTLC at 4 seems awfully high to me. They should be down in the FCA/Bethesda range.
True Chesapeake should be higher.... maybe 4th.
I love the Predators program but having the best AA hoco team leapfrog everyone from the AAA bracket as well as 2 of the bottom Elite teams is insanity. They are a year or two away IMO.
Team Maryland is better than 91.
Agree. Swap Lutherville and true.
Why swap them, because of the name change? This forum says they lost their best kids to the Hawks, are they getting kids from the entire Chesapeake water shed to warrant the switch? Holdbacks? More training and more training for additional cost?
Well Because LTLC lost players (according to this page) and true beat them last year. It’s not brian surgery.
No argument on the top three.
LTLC at 4 seems awfully high to me. They should be down in the FCA/Bethesda range.
True Chesapeake should be higher.... maybe 4th.
I love the Predators program but having the best AA hoco team leapfrog everyone from the AAA bracket as well as 2 of the bottom Elite teams is insanity. They are a year or two away IMO.
Team Maryland is better than 91.
Agree. Swap Lutherville and true.
Why swap them, because of the name change? This forum says they lost their best kids to the Hawks, are they getting kids from the entire Chesapeake water shed to warrant the switch? Holdbacks? More training and more training for additional cost?
Bro, your not paying attention. True is so desperate to be relevant they are putting kids names on their roster from Illinois, Florida, Minnesota, France, Canada and wherever else they have a half way decent kid. They are letting kids come in for hoco and tourneys as they can and using them to be more competitive.
THEY TRAIN MORE BRO! Except when training more isn’t the answer they will take your money for extra skills and fake national teams (they field like three per age now) and use it to help bring actually good kids in to take your playtime🤣.
Actually, they should he 1.
Ps. Speaking of 1…didn’t hawks win the last matchup against madlax? While still missing maybe their most impactful player? Hawks probably should be 1 on this list MADLAX DAD!
LTLC was missing a few but guested a 2028 Crab in disguise and still couldn’t get it done.
LTLC was missing a few but guested a 2028 Crab in disguise and still couldn’t get it done.
Agreed. Not sure why anyone on this board is still hot on LTLC. I'd swap them on these "rankings" with FCA.
Also would probably knock Team 91 out of the top 10 entirely.
I'd have #8-#10 in some order of Team MD, Predators, LTLC.
LTLC definitely picked up some depth and 2-3 starters from the 2029 Forrest Hill team that colapsed. They are much improved. From what I heard Team 91 MD looked weak in their own event this weekend. For what its worth this is my list......
1. MADLAX
2. HAWKS
3. NEXT LEVEL
4. TRUE CHESAPEAKE
5. LTLC
6. VLC (SEE)
7. BETHESDA
8. FCA
9. TEAM MARYLAND
10. PREDATORS
I think this is a fair assessment from 3-8 it can go either way and flip flopping will occur. Only time will tell.
LTLC had exceptional improvement over the last HoCo season. Many close games later in the pool play.
Similar to NL, they have some massive kids. Interested to see how they perform in HoCo, probably pretty well.
True Chesapeake just went 3-0 at the Victory Fall Classic in DE blowing out their competition. Annapolis Hawks 2029 went 1-2 losing to Mesa and Black Bear.
True Chesapeake just went 3-0 at the Victory Fall Classic in DE blowing out their competition. Annapolis Hawks 2029 went 1-2 losing to Mesa and Black Bear.
Congrats to True Chesapeake but was this Hawks B team? Post is misleading if pointing out record suggesting this is the Hawks Elite team
That is a B tourney and that was Hawks B team.
Tourney Machine doesn't clarify. Hawks website only shows one 29 team.
Tourney Machine doesn't clarify. Hawks website only shows one 29 team.
Website shows two teams green and black. Black is the B team which was at Victory.
Clearly shows 2029 Green and 2029 Black on website under teams
That is a B tourney and that was Hawks B team.
More like a C tournament actually
Hawks Black was at the NXT tournament which is considered their A team. Green is their B team. Recognized many of their elite team players
This was fun….oh no, hawks lost to black bear and Mesa!…wait…no, it’s gotta be your bull…
True Chesapeake just went 3-0 at the Victory Fall Classic in DE blowing out their competition. Annapolis Hawks 2029 went 1-2 losing to Mesa and Black Bear.
Let’s see how you do against Madlax an actual Elite team this weekend…
Hawks Black was at the NXT tournament which is considered their A team. Green is their B team. Recognized many of their elite team players
Wrong…Green= A Team Black=B Team Congrats to True on the win of their B/C Fall tournament…
[quote=Anonymous]True Chesapeake just went 3-0 at the Victory Fall Classic in DE blowing out their competition. Annapolis Hawks 2029 went 1-2 losing to Mesa and Black Bear.
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C’Mon. This is a C Level tourney. True is a good team, but they aren’t stomping other teams, definitely not the Hawks. This is Hawks lower level team. Outcomes would be different in one of the elite tournaments throughout the country. Hawks or ML playing in this tournament may have produced 30+ point goal differentials.
Next week should be interesting to watch at the Fall Lax Showdown (11/13)......look forward to seeing some of these good matchups.
Next Level 2029 (Team 11, Thunder, Bethesda)
Bethesda 2029 (Maddog Gold, Maddog Black, Next Level)
Mad Dog National Black 2029
Mad Dog National Gold 2029
Team 11 2029
FCA 2029 (Maddog Gold, VLC, Team 11)
VLC 2029 (FCA and True Chesapeake)
Thunder 2029
True Chesapeake 2029 (Maddog Gold, Maddog Black, and VLC)
Will show us a glimse of how far Bethesda has fallen...........is Next Level ready to move ahead of Madlax or Hawks.......and where to VLC, FCA, and True Chesapeake really stand as of this fall.
WOW. Apparently True Chesapeake bailed out of the tournament this weekend. They may be looking for another soft tournament to play in instead! Madlax 2029 looks to playing 2028 teams it appears from the app.
If this is the roster for the Fall Lax Showdown, it doesn’t look competitive at all. Why would NL even waste time playing in this. They should find a tournament with competition unless they like inferior tournaments to pad statistics. Bethesda still has a team? Seems pretty soft by NL. Elite teams shouldn’t seek out inferior tournaments or inferior teams to beat on.
NL moving ahead of Madlax or Hawks? What!?!?
Pretty sure Madlax or the Hawks have won every, major elite tournament the last 3 years.
C’mon NL dad, you know better.
NL parent, nice breakdown. If Madlax or the Annapolis Hawks actually cared about the tournament you mentioned, or the teams in it, they would probably be playing in the actual tournament. You post is just silly.
Whoever posted this may be as delusional as the person who posted the True post insinuating the Hawks went 1-2. Last time Hawks played NL they may have won by 10 goals.
Madlax may have beaten NL 8-10 times in a row based on scores in the various tournaments.
“Ready to move ahead”!?!?! fool talk.
Next week should be interesting to watch at the Fall Lax Showdown (11/13)......look forward to seeing some of these good matchups.
Next Level 2029 (Team 11, Thunder, Bethesda)
Bethesda 2029 (Maddog Gold, Maddog Black, Next Level)
Mad Dog National Black 2029
Mad Dog National Gold 2029
Team 11 2029
FCA 2029 (Maddog Gold, VLC, Team 11)
VLC 2029 (FCA and True Chesapeake)
Thunder 2029
True Chesapeake 2029 (Maddog Gold, Maddog Black, and VLC)
Will show us a glimse of how far Bethesda has fallen...........is Next Level ready to move ahead of Madlax or Hawks.......and where to VLC, FCA, and True Chesapeake really stand as of this fall.
What was the point of taking the time to type all of this out? Next Level clearly should not be in this tourney, if they don't easily win out I would be shocked.
Only valid point made was will be interesting to see how much farther BLC has fallen from where they once were.
Hawks parents are fool mostly the moms. Lots of drama with 2029 team. Don’t worry lots of kids will be replace next year. Better start looking for a new team now.
This post is confusing. How can a team, NL, move ahead of teams (Madlax and Hawks) when these two teams aren’t even in the tournament?!?!? Somebody is trying too hard with that post.
WOW. Apparently True Chesapeake bailed out of the tournament this weekend. They may be looking for another soft tournament to play in instead! Madlax 2029 looks to playing 2028 teams it appears from the app.
True's model for their MD teams is to have them win as many Aloha tournaments as possible. Like politicians, True MD's business model depends on uneducated customers. "We won a championship!" OK then. True parents won't understand that losing 3 close games in an elite tournament is more valuable than blowing out a bunch of quasi-rec teams from Nowhere, PA.
As for Madlax 2029........great team but I've watched them get burnt up by 2028s that are the equivalent of AAA HoCo teams, so I'm not sure this is a great look for those athletes. Then again the ML 2029 parents and their belief in their kids' eliteness is a whole special level of fool, so I'm sure they will justify it.
Madlax 2029 getting burnt up by 2028s? Why are they even playing 2028s? Probably because they don’t shy away from challenges. What are you even talking about.
True backs out of this tournament, 2029 Madlax gets matched with 2028 teams apparently and you say this. No relevance. The only teams that could even play with 2028 teams are 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks.
This is like that Hawks comment above where somebody was celebrating their “losses” which weren’t even losses!!!
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Madlax 2029 getting burnt up by 2028s? Why are they even playing 2028s? Probably because they don’t shy away from challenges. What are you even talking about.
True backs out of this tournament, 2029 Madlax gets matched with 2028 teams apparently and you say this. No relevance. The only teams that could even play with 2028 teams are 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks.
This is like that Hawks comment above where somebody was celebrating their “losses” which weren’t even losses!!!
OK fair enough. And agreed that ML and Hawks are the only teams that could even pretend to compete with older kids of any real level of talent.
Hawks parents are fool mostly the moms. Lots of drama with 2029 team. Don’t worry lots of kids will be replace next year. Better start looking for a new team now.
Someone is really in a bad way. Worrying about 6th grade moms. Might want to have little Johnny Hit The Wall
2029 Madlax actually won Adrenaline playing 2028s.
2029 Madlax actually won Adrenaline playing 2028s.
Congrats Madlax. Not suprised they are a solid team.
2029 Madlax actually won Adrenaline playing 2028s.
Last year or this year?
Last year was made even more confusing by the fact that not only was there a 2028-2029 pool, but there were separate "champions" for Saturday and Sunday of the event.
Last year, on Sunday ADRLN, ML 2029s played their hearts out, falling to Team Eighteen 2028 in the semi-finals. ML 2029 played like champs. The parents, not so much, after loudly predicting all day that the championship game was destined to be ML 2028 vs ML 2029 . And we all know about the coach, screaming at (then) 10 year olds at the top of his lungs, every game.
But make no mistake, the ML 2029 boys are talented, and obviously pretty tough, given the amount of abuse they take from coaches.
2029 Madlax actually won Adrenaline playing 2028s.
Last year or this year?
Last year was made even more confusing by the fact that not only was there a 2028-2029 pool, but there were separate "champions" for Saturday and Sunday of the event.
Last year, on Sunday ADRLN, ML 2029s played their hearts out, falling to Team Eighteen 2028 in the semi-finals. ML 2029 played like champs. The parents, not so much, after loudly predicting all day that the championship game was destined to be ML 2028 vs ML 2029 . And we all know about the coach, screaming at (then) 10 year olds at the top of his lungs, every game.
But make no mistake, the ML 2029 boys are talented, and obviously pretty tough, given the amount of abuse they take from coaches.
You left out the part about the refs not calling game over at the same time leaving the ML goal wide open for a desperation shot from midfield to win game, but that is the way it goes sometimes.
That coach that is screaming at the top of his lungs is one of the best youth coaches around. The boys and that team are as good and tough as they are in large part to him. They have the upmost respect for him and vice versa and if you actually listen to what he was screaming you would get it. They don't put up with it, they embrace it, welcome it and thrive in it.
But thanks for caring
Tourney app shows:
29 ML over 29 West Coast Stars 6-4
29 ML over 28 True MN 8-7
29 ML over 28 FCA Richmond 8-1
29 ML over 29 West Coast Stars 8-2 (Semi)
29 ML over 28 True MN 7-5 (Championship)
ADRLN did the same thing this year. They had a 28 pool and then a 28/29 pool. Team 91 Georgia won the 28 pool defeating Madlax 28.
Madlax 29 played in the 28/29 pool with West Coast Stars 29, FCA Richmond 28 and True MN 28.
Still impressive wins against two solid 28 teams but a bit of an exaggeration to say they won the 28 bracket.
???
Who said on this thread the 2029 Madlax team won the 2028 bracket?
Is the tourney app not accurate from what someone posted above?
Tourney app shows Team 91 GA won the 2028 bracket? Are there two 2028 brackets or a 2029 bracket with 28 teams that were in it?
Hawks parents are fool mostly the moms. Lots of drama with 2029 team. Don’t worry lots of kids will be replace next year. Better start looking for a new team now.
Someone is really in a bad way. Worrying about 6th grade moms. Might want to have little Johnny Hit The Wall
I find this comment hilarious in general. 29 hawks moms??? Drama? I don’t think there is any drama on that team, and certainly not mom related.
But, given the legitimacy of this page, I’m hoping someone will expand on this…if for no other reason but to entertain us.
Wondering if this is a parent who’s kid got cut or something
Got a change to see Predators 2029 this weekend. They are improved but defintiely not elite / Top 10. Some them beat a depleted HOCO 2029 team, but then got smoked by the FCA Richmond 2029 team??? Didn't even know FCA had a Richmond team.
Excited to watch this weekend....top teams at NAL and FALL LAX SHOWDOWN!!
Got a change to see Predators 2029 this weekend. They are improved but defintiely not elite / Top 10. Some them beat a depleted HOCO 2029 team, but then got smoked by the FCA Richmond 2029 team??? Didn't even know FCA had a Richmond team.
Excited to watch this weekend....top teams at NAL and FALL LAX SHOWDOWN!!
It's MADLAX and HAWKS everyone else is playing catch-up. You will see at NAL this weekend!
Got a change to see Predators 2029 this weekend. They are improved but defintiely not elite / Top 10. Some them beat a depleted HOCO 2029 team, but then got smoked by the FCA Richmond 2029 team??? Didn't even know FCA had a Richmond team.
Excited to watch this weekend....top teams at NAL and FALL LAX SHOWDOWN!!
This seems to be the consensus around all/most of the Preds squads. Better than most but decidedly not elite. 2029 squad Will end the year ranked nationally #25-50 or #50-75 if HoCo doesn't go well. Definitely not top 10.
2029 Preds started as a complete defection of 91 kids a year ago, and they have picked up even more 91 kids. That said, 91 is not good, so.....
FCA Richmond is the equivalent of a talented but inconsistent AAA HoCo squad. At both 2028 and 2029 levels they have VA's best players that don't play for Northern VA teams. But also 15 other random AA/AAA players. Would have expected a closer game against Preds but that's why they play the game....
Isn’t this the big wknd for football championships ?
If so I assume lots of kids will be missing from tourneys this wknd.
Madlax and Hawks in championships of NAL once again. Madlax with the victory 5-3. Any insight on the game?
Got a chance to watch VLC take on Mad Dog National and Thunder. VLC was impressive....extremely talented attack and dominated both games.
Madlax and Hawks in championships of NAL once again. Madlax with the victory 5-3. Any insight on the game?
Got a chance to watch VLC take on Mad Dog National and Thunder. VLC was impressive....extremely talented attack and dominated both games.
Only insight is that those are two teams who have a lot of respect for one another. Kids seem to actually like one another and appreciate what they have as a rivalry. Coaches too. Parents are still sad. I’m sure you’ll see what I mean soon when the banter on this page about who’s better starts.
Fun game to watch. Battle of ying and Yang…one team super skilled and the other is just blue collar grinders. It’s always close. All things considered, madlax is deep and talented. Deserves the edge on the rankings on hawks once they are posted.
Fall Lax Showdown results are in... Next Level was clearly the cream of the crop. Surprisingly, Team 11 out of PA was very competitive. They have a large, athletic defense that had NL on their heels for a good part of the game. Ultimately NL prevailed 6-5. That was the only team to give NL any challenge.
Bethesda Blue appears to have taken a big step back. 0-3 on the day, although two of their losses were to NL and Mad Dog National Black (the other 3-0) team. Their offense seemed especially anemic.
VLC looked like they have improved. Went 1-1 on the day. VLC beat True Chesapeake 6-4.
FCA looked solid and able to compete at the elite level. They were winning against VLC until a last minute goal that left the game in a tie. FCA was 1-1-1 on the day, beating Mad Dog National Gold 8-3 and losing to Team 11 9-4.
Not sure what is going on with True Chesapeake. Their attack still looks legit. But the team overall looked pretty sluggish in their only win against Mad Dog National Gold prevailing 3-2. They did play MD National Black tough losing 7-5. They also lost to VLC 6-4.
Fall Lax Showdown results are in... Next Level was clearly the cream of the crop. Surprisingly, Team 11 out of PA was very competitive. They have a large, athletic defense that had NL on their heels for a good part of the game. Ultimately NL prevailed 6-5. That was the only team to give NL any challenge.
Bethesda Blue appears to have taken a big step back. 0-3 on the day, although two of their losses were to NL and Mad Dog National Black (the other 3-0) team. Their offense seemed especially anemic.
VLC looked like they have improved. Went 1-1 on the day. VLC beat True Chesapeake 6-4.
FCA looked solid and able to compete at the elite level. They were winning against VLC until a last minute goal that left the game in a tie. FCA was 1-1-1 on the day, beating Mad Dog National Gold 8-3 and losing to Team 11 9-4.
Not sure what is going on with True Chesapeake. Their attack still looks legit. But the team overall looked pretty sluggish in their only win against Mad Dog National Gold prevailing 3-2. They did play MD National Black tough losing 7-5. They also lost to VLC 6-4.
100% Agree....Bethesda seems to have lost a lot and True Chesapeake either lost some players, or was missing guys due to fall sports conflicts.
Madlax and Hawks are both just so much better and on a different level. Extremely talented and well coached. They will continue to battle each other all year.
Next Level, VLC, LTLC, and maybe sounds like FCA are in that second Tier.
True Chesapeake and Bethesda round out the bottom..........Team 91 MD, Predators, and Team Maryalnd are just not at the level to be in the conversation in my opinion.
Fall Lax Showdown results are in... Next Level was clearly the cream of the crop. Surprisingly, Team 11 out of PA was very competitive. They have a large, athletic defense that had NL on their heels for a good part of the game. Ultimately NL prevailed 6-5. That was the only team to give NL any challenge.
Bethesda Blue appears to have taken a big step back. 0-3 on the day, although two of their losses were to NL and Mad Dog National Black (the other 3-0) team. Their offense seemed especially anemic.
VLC looked like they have improved. Went 1-1 on the day. VLC beat True Chesapeake 6-4.
FCA looked solid and able to compete at the elite level. They were winning against VLC until a last minute goal that left the game in a tie. FCA was 1-1-1 on the day, beating Mad Dog National Gold 8-3 and losing to Team 11 9-4.
Not sure what is going on with True Chesapeake. Their attack still looks legit. But the team overall looked pretty sluggish in their only win against Mad Dog National Gold prevailing 3-2. They did play MD National Black tough losing 7-5. They also lost to VLC 6-4.
100% Agree....Bethesda seems to have lost a lot and True Chesapeake either lost some players, or was missing guys due to fall sports conflicts.
Madlax and Hawks are both just so much better and on a different level. Extremely talented and well coached. They will continue to battle each other all year.
Next Level, VLC, LTLC, and maybe sounds like FCA are in that second Tier.
True Chesapeake and Bethesda round out the bottom..........Team 91 MD, Predators, and Team Maryalnd are just not at the level to be in the conversation in my opinion.
100% correct on ML/Hawks at the moment. This will change but it's true for the next 10 months anyway.
LTLC and BLC need to stay at elite to even hope to retain talent through 8th grade.
FCA would fit fine, it's time for them to transition up. I recall they've beaten LTLC the last few times they've played.
If you look at how bad 91 was last year (goal differential -70ish), they need to go back to AAA but that's against 91 policy, so I guess they'll stay another year and get beat up. They'll start to absorb the talent from the rec programs that end in 8th grade.
Predators should go to AAA, they had an easy time at AA (goal differential about +50) and picked up more AAA kids this year. Not sure how they will beat Team MD though. Since they've been picking off kids from 91 for the last 2 years, I'd like to see them play 91 as well.
If you held your kid back this year you are in for a treat come July Try-outs. Should of stayed with the big boys.
What is this even proposing? Looks like a 16-18 month window. Which is basically not changing the holdback situation at all. Right?
What is this even proposing? Looks like a 16-18 month window. Which is basically not changing the holdback situation at all. Right?
Nice try holdback dad. Wrong. Plenty of precedence with WSYL. It will be a 12 month window starting 9/1.
Ouch. Looks like there'll be some real parity now with the narrowing of the holdback window.
Ouch. Looks like there'll be some real parity now with the narrowing of the holdback window.
Quite honestly, if "safety" is the lens here, the easiest and immediate thing to do is move to 16-18 month windows. The 2 year holdbacks flying in from CA, TX, GA, and FL (an actual thing) are problematic from a safety standpoint. Some at the 2028 level are 6'+ and moving towards 200lb. Because they're almost 15 years old.
That said, I'm against holdbacks and I sure won't complain if a 12 month window is selected.
If instituted in Fall 2023, it realistically only affects 2029s for 2 or so years, but will be a game changer for 2030s and beyond.
For the 2029s and older, it will be maybe *a little* hilarious to watch HS juniors being forced to play in 18+ club leagues. Especially since the majority of holdback parents aren't proud or public about their son's reclass.
What is this even proposing? Looks like a 16-18 month window. Which is basically not changing the holdback situation at all. Right?
Nice try holdback dad. Wrong. Plenty of precedence with WSYL. It will be a 12 month window starting 9/1.
I like a 12 month window. But what I was saying is that tjeh appeared to suggest a bigger one. Which just meant hold backs on the opposite end. Which didn’t make sense. Thanks though salty dad who is gonna be disappointed when he realizes holdbacks weren’t the issue for his kid.
If this actually happens what teams rosters will change the most? Hawks Madlax NL?
If this actually happens what teams rosters will change the most? Hawks Madlax NL?
Guessing all three have at least one key player who would be moved. I’m guessing that the 28 division would be more heavily impacted. Not even sure hawks could
Compete if all their holdbacks got sent back up to their original age.
What is this even proposing? Looks like a 16-18 month window. Which is basically not changing the holdback situation at all. Right?
Read the article... the window would start September 1 and end December 1
So it allows younger kids to play up but not older kids to play down. For our age it would be Sept 2010 - December 2011 or Feb 2012. You are moving the window the wrong way....
Read the article... the window would start September 1 and end December 1
So it allows younger kids to play up but not older kids to play down. For our age it would be Sept 2010 - December 2011 or Feb 2012. You are moving the window the wrong way....
If you read the FULL article, you'll see:
"A source with knowledge of the NLF’s ongoing conversations says that the likely outcome has since shifted, targeting a 12-month birth year window."
Read the article... the window would start September 1 and end December 1
So it allows younger kids to play up but not older kids to play down. For our age it would be Sept 2010 - December 2011 or Feb 2012. You are moving the window the wrong way....
If you read the FULL article, you'll see:
"A source with knowledge of the NLF’s ongoing conversations says that the likely outcome has since shifted, targeting a 12-month birth year window."
Ughhhh that has nothing to do with the comment I responded to in which the poster suggested a 16-18 month window would allow holdbacks... but thanks for commenting.
Read the article... the window would start September 1 and end December 1
So it allows younger kids to play up but not older kids to play down. For our age it would be Sept 2010 - December 2011 or Feb 2012. You are moving the window the wrong way....
If you read the FULL article, you'll see:
"A source with knowledge of the NLF’s ongoing conversations says that the likely outcome has since shifted, targeting a 12-month birth year window."
Ughhhh that has nothing to do with the comment I responded to in which the poster suggested a 16-18 month window would allow holdbacks... but thanks for commenting.
seems like the point is that any discussion of 16-18 month windows and what that would mean is likely moot
Read the article... the window would start September 1 and end December 1
So it allows younger kids to play up but not older kids to play down. For our age it would be Sept 2010 - December 2011 or Feb 2012. You are moving the window the wrong way....
If you read the FULL article, you'll see:
"A source with knowledge of the NLF’s ongoing conversations says that the likely outcome has since shifted, targeting a 12-month birth year window."
Ughhhh that has nothing to do with the comment I responded to in which the poster suggested a 16-18 month window would allow holdbacks... but thanks for commenting.
seems like the point is that any discussion of 16-18 month windows and what that would mean is likely moot
That last comment on 12 month birth year window is confusing to me... do they mean like soccer 2010,2011,etc or 12 month rolling window Sept.- Sept.
If like soccer that completely shakes up the system where non holdbacks end up in trap years where the rest of their team graduated and they are still in HS...
sept to sept makes the most sense.
Waiting for quarter zip, hit the wall, your kid can play JV, Holdbacks won’t ever change dad’s insight on this. Maybe their superior kids will excel when they get the chance to play against kids their own age and size.
I thought I'd jump down here and help out the younger thread. The discussion about what day to start the age window is pointless. The system will only change unless the tournament organizers can have profitable tournaments greater than what they have now. 3Step, named in the article, ran The Circuit tournament. They had a full field, verified the participants and made a little extra money while doing it. Inside Lacrosse's publisher doesn't write this article unless he knows the system is changing. Once the other tournament organizers realize they will make more, the system will change. Look for more next year.
Read the article... the window would start September 1 and end December 1
So it allows younger kids to play up but not older kids to play down. For our age it would be Sept 2010 - December 2011 or Feb 2012. You are moving the window the wrong way....
If you read the FULL article, you'll see:
"A source with knowledge of the NLF’s ongoing conversations says that the likely outcome has since shifted, targeting a 12-month birth year window."
Ughhhh that has nothing to do with the comment I responded to in which the poster suggested a 16-18 month window would allow holdbacks... but thanks for commenting.
seems like the point is that any discussion of 16-18 month windows and what that would mean is likely moot
They have a 20 month window in youth Basketball that is Grade Based.
Read the article... the window would start September 1 and end December 1
So it allows younger kids to play up but not older kids to play down. For our age it would be Sept 2010 - December 2011 or Feb 2012. You are moving the window the wrong way....
If you read the FULL article, you'll see:
"A source with knowledge of the NLF’s ongoing conversations says that the likely outcome has since shifted, targeting a 12-month birth year window."
Ughhhh that has nothing to do with the comment I responded to in which the poster suggested a 16-18 month window would allow holdbacks... but thanks for commenting.
seems like the point is that any discussion of 16-18 month windows and what that would mean is likely moot
That last comment on 12 month birth year window is confusing to me... do they mean like soccer 2010,2011,etc or 12 month rolling window Sept.- Sept.
If like soccer that completely shakes up the system where non holdbacks end up in trap years where the rest of their team graduated and they are still in HS...
It will be like soccer and go by birth year with a 12 month window until (8th grade) u/15. Then it will be grade based for HS (9th grade and up).
I thought I'd jump down here and help out the younger thread. The discussion about what day to start the age window is pointless. The system will only change unless the tournament organizers can have profitable tournaments greater than what they have now. 3Step, named in the article, ran The Circuit tournament. They had a full field, verified the participants and made a little extra money while doing it. Inside Lacrosse's publisher doesn't write this article unless he knows the system is changing. Once the other tournament organizers realize they will make more, the system will change. Look for more next year.
Happy to pay more for an on age 12 month window. It doesn't matter what month it starts. Just make it fair. Like soccer/hockey.
I thought I'd jump down here and help out the younger thread. The discussion about what day to start the age window is pointless. The system will only change unless the tournament organizers can have profitable tournaments greater than what they have now. 3Step, named in the article, ran The Circuit tournament. They had a full field, verified the participants and made a little extra money while doing it. Inside Lacrosse's publisher doesn't write this article unless he knows the system is changing. Once the other tournament organizers realize they will make more, the system will change. Look for more next year.
Happy to pay more for an on age 12 month window. It doesn't matter what month it starts. Just make it fair. Like soccer/hockey.
Agreed
The amount of conversation on this topic speaks volumes. As a parent of an on age 29, this simply means a few less giants/talented players on the top teams, which might ultimately make for better parity. I think the ones driving the conversation are the parents losing the vice grip on their child's life and the on-age parents who are too invested in the outcomes of their children's athletic pursuits. Let the age of “Call-ups” from the younger ages begin!!
The amount of conversation on this topic speaks volumes. As a parent of an on age 29, this simply means a few less giants/talented players on the top teams, which might ultimately make for better parity. I think the ones driving the conversation are the parents losing the vice grip on their child's life and the on-age parents who are too invested in the outcomes of their children's athletic pursuits. Let the age of “Call-ups” from the younger ages begin!!
Agreed! At least now the parents of younger/talented kids have a say in playing against older/larger boys rather than having it forced on them.
Time for a convo change. The rankings got it completely right from top to bottom…..discuss….
Rankings will change when all the holdbacks start playing their age
You seem pretty sure that their are holdbacks…what teams are you making that implication??? Seems like 29 is one of few that aren’t completely littered with them.
Rankings will change when all the holdbacks start playing their age
The #1 spot won’t. Maybe only more distance between them and everyone else
You seem pretty sure that their are holdbacks…what teams are you making that implication??? Seems like 29 is one of few that aren’t completely littered with them.
Perhaps with the DC teams. Holdbacks are filtering into the upper level 2029s in Baltimore. Would be easier to see if the 2029 Crabs team hadn't collapsed under its own weight. Last summer a number of 2028s dropped to 2029, and a few elite 2029s dropped to 2030. It's happening.
Give it time.
You seem pretty sure that their are holdbacks…what teams are you making that implication??? Seems like 29 is one of few that aren’t completely littered with them.
Perhaps with the DC teams. Holdbacks are filtering into the upper level 2029s in Baltimore. Would be easier to see if the 2029 Crabs team hadn't collapsed under its own weight. Last summer a number of 2028s dropped to 2029, and a few elite 2029s dropped to 2030. It's happening.
Give it time.
So you’re basically just assuming and have no idea. Completely shocking from someone on this page. Good talk
The amount of conversation on this topic speaks volumes. As a parent of an on age 29, this simply means a few less giants/talented players on the top teams, which might ultimately make for better parity. I think the ones driving the conversation are the parents losing the vice grip on their child's life and the on-age parents who are too invested in the outcomes of their children's athletic pursuits. Let the age of “Call-ups” from the younger ages begin!!
Serious question: What do you consider an “on age 29”?
You seem pretty sure that their are holdbacks…what teams are you making that implication??? Seems like 29 is one of few that aren’t completely littered with them.
Perhaps with the DC teams. Holdbacks are filtering into the upper level 2029s in Baltimore. Would be easier to see if the 2029 Crabs team hadn't collapsed under its own weight. Last summer a number of 2028s dropped to 2029, and a few elite 2029s dropped to 2030. It's happening.
Give it time.
So you’re basically just assuming and have no idea. Completely shocking from someone on this page. Good talk
I have no idea about the DC area teams, which is another way to phrase, "perhaps," you stable genius.
My sons attend an MIAA school in Baltimore Co and I could list the names of a dozen plus 2028s and 2029s that held back last summer, and a very incomplete list of those who are touring MIAA schools to enter at their CURRENT grade level next year, but that would be pretty mean spirited.
The amount of conversation on this topic speaks volumes. As a parent of an on age 29, this simply means a few less giants/talented players on the top teams, which might ultimately make for better parity. I think the ones driving the conversation are the parents losing the vice grip on their child's life and the on-age parents who are too invested in the outcomes of their children's athletic pursuits. Let the age of “Call-ups” from the younger ages begin!!
Serious question: What do you consider an “on age 29”?
IF using a true birthdate 2029, September 1, 2010- August 31, 2011. Grade based allows a September 2009 holdback to play against an August 2011... hence the reason for this discussion. That would be a 13 year old against an 11 year old. OR WORSE YET a double hold back 14 year old this spring against an on age 11 year old.
But be prepared for chest pounding "just hit the wall" Dad to come justify why this is okay....
LOL at the bozos trying to make it a 16 month age system. Just come out and say it. "I'm in charge of youth club lacrosse decision making, and I want my Pre-K hold back son to beat up on younger kids so I can have my dream of my son playing D1 lacrosse"
Uhhhh. What??? A 2009 anything playing against a 2011 is already a double holdback.
A august 2010 would be considered a holdback, even if they were august 29th. Which is the root of the whole issue. If they never allow kids who were held back at preschool to play with their classmates then they will not have a team or be asked to join an established team in 8th grade. Or whenever.
A September 2009 is an on age 27
Uhhhh. What??? A 2009 anything playing against a 2011 is already a double holdback.
A august 2010 would be considered a holdback, even if they were august 29th. Which is the root of the whole issue. If they never allow kids who were held back at preschool to play with their classmates then they will not have a team or be asked to join an established team in 8th grade. Or whenever.
A September 2009 is an on age 27
Nope... So follow me here. Seems you got lost trying to see through you losing grip on your sons future as a holdback...
2028 on grade would be September 2009-August 31 2010... remember Sept 1, 2010 is a 2029.
A September 2009 should be a 2028 or 7th grader. Held back makes them a 2029... so YES a September, October, November, December 2009 is a SINGLE YEAR holdback grade wise and playing against summer 2011 birthdays makes them almost two years older. Double hold back, again Sept. Oct, Nov. Dec 2008 could make them 3 years older.
If you really think August birthdays are the root cause of the issue you have either are clueless or have an August birthday kid who will become the youngest under the new system which makes it unfair to your kid. Forget about the other kids playing on age.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
A august 2010 would be considered a holdback, even if they were august 29th. Which is the root of the whole issue. If they never allow kids who were held back at preschool to play with their classmates then they will not have a team or be asked to join an established team in 8th grade. Or whenever.
uhh what? Why wouldn't they have a team to play with?
They would just have to play with the kids one grade up because that's the right age.
When the kid asks why he can't play with the kids in his grade his parents will need to explain to him how they tried to game the system by having him play against younger kids and it worked for a while but now it backfired.
Saying that they wont have a team to play on is a lie.
In 8th grade their team would be a high school team…so you’re suggesting that as a senior they would just skip club lacrosse? Or that as an 8th grader they would just play with the high school team, all Becuase they were born two days before the cut off.
Makes sense. Or maybe it makes sense that they have a grace period of a month or two. But again, most of y’all are too black and white and want to badmouth people on this page. Guarantee that if any of you had a reasonable conversation about this with a parent who was in this specific situation you would crumble and Say “yeah I think it make sense”
Your all ridiculous
A august 2010 would be considered a holdback, even if they were august 29th. Which is the root of the whole issue. If they never allow kids who were held back at preschool to play with their classmates then they will not have a team or be asked to join an established team in 8th grade. Or whenever.
uhh what? Why wouldn't they have a team to play with?
They would just have to play with the kids one grade up because that's the right age.
When the kid asks why he can't play with the kids in his grade his parents will need to explain to him how they tried to game the system by having him play against younger kids and it worked for a while but now it backfired.
Saying that they wont have a team to play on is a lie.
US Soccer is birth year so teams are generally 2/3rd of kids in an older grade and 1/3rd in the next lower grade. Kids are resilient, they can play with other kids in a different grade! It does get messy when it's a mix of 8th and 9th but it's manageable.
I love how all the holdback parents claim it wouldn't be fair if little Johnny has to play with kids in another grade. When making the decision to hold back or start their child late, they understood the advantage they would gain academically and with certain sports like lacrosse. Yet they knew that many club sports like AAU basketball and travel soccer have the same type of age verification system that NLF is planning to implement here. Those parents clearly knew the deal with some sports and are simply offering feeble justifications to oppose lacrosse following suit.
In 8th grade their team would be a high school team…so you’re suggesting that as a senior they would just skip club lacrosse? Or that as an 8th grader they would just play with the high school team, all Because they were born two days before the cut off.
What dude? They would play in their age group. U13, U14, U15, etc. If most of their peers are in 9th grade but they have to play with mostly 8th graders that would be their parents fault for holding them back.
Have some accountability/integrity. You knew what you were doing when you held him back.
Got to believe holdback parents are losing their minds less than reclass parents because many parents likely made the decision based on academic maturity over athletic advantage.
And would highly likely make the same holdback decision again knowing this policy change.
Good on the Lacrosse community for fighting for change to keep children safe and level the playing field. Thank you and good on you all.
Zero concessions or grace periods should be made for reclassed families. That’s their problem to deal with and they need to own their decisions.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
What’s your point? Yes those teams would handle 29 madlax or the hawks. But madlax and hawks would throttle the elite 2030 teams and the top elite 27 teams would bury whichever elite 28 team your kid is on listed above.
That’s how it should be.
In 8th grade their team would be a high school team…so you’re suggesting that as a senior they would just skip club lacrosse? Or that as an 8th grader they would just play with the high school team, all Because they were born two days before the cut off.
What dude? They would play in their age group. U13, U14, U15, etc. If most of their peers are in 9th grade but they have to play with mostly 8th graders that would be their parents fault for holding them back.
Have some accountability/integrity. You knew what you were doing when you held him back.
This is classic. Y’all are making it seem like at age 4 parents knew that at age 11 or 12 someone would change all the rules. But even more hilarious is that you think they were even thinking about sports. No one knows if their kid is even going to want to play sports at that age.
At the end of the day I really don’t care. Doesn’t truly impact my kid. But I know a lot of people who aren’t the monsters you make them out to be and he would definitely be impacted. And while those of you whose kid has been struggling presume it is all the “holdbacks” faults, you will soon learn that it was very few of them (12+ month holdbacks) who really needed to be addressed.
Frankly I know who most of the holdbacks are from 2030-2027 in our club. Non of them are the difference makers you make them out to be.
Now I’ve heard tales about the infamous double holdbacks and certain clubs who go out of the way to recruit kids down etc…and that’s disgusting. So if this is the only way to stop it, so be it.
But please stop with the assumptions that summer holdbacks are ao dangerous for your precious angel to play against. You’re talking about a couple months. And in some cases days.
It’s not days or even a couple months when you have an on a son with a summer birthday that did not hold back. Those on age kids do exist and when a May/June/July/August 2010 kid holds back the on age kids with summer 2011 birthdays are playing kids 12-15 months older than they are. The rules allow this now, but don’t act like this isn’t a big deal. It is.
It’s not days or even a couple months when you have an on a son with a summer birthday that did not hold back. Those on age kids do exist and when a May/June/July/August 2010 kid holds back the on age kids with summer 2011 birthdays are playing kids 12-15 months older than they are. The rules allow this now, but don’t act like this isn’t a big deal. It is.
playing against kids that are 10-11 months older isn't that big a difference from playing against kids that are 12-13 months older.
It’s not days or even a couple months when you have an on a son with a summer birthday that did not hold back. Those on age kids do exist and when a May/June/July/August 2010 kid holds back the on age kids with summer 2011 birthdays are playing kids 12-15 months older than they are. The rules allow this now, but don’t act like this isn’t a big deal. It is.
playing against kids that are 10-11 months older isn't that big a difference from playing against kids that are 12-13 months older.
In the puberty years, It absolutely is a big difference.
In high school, it’s not.
It’s not days or even a couple months when you have an on a son with a summer birthday that did not hold back. Those on age kids do exist and when a May/June/July/August 2010 kid holds back the on age kids with summer 2011 birthdays are playing kids 12-15 months older than they are. The rules allow this now, but don’t act like this isn’t a big deal. It is.
playing against kids that are 10-11 months older isn't that big a difference from playing against kids that are 12-13 months older.
In the puberty years, It absolutely is a big difference.
In high school, it’s not.
It’s not days or even a couple months when you have an on a son with a summer birthday that did not hold back. Those on age kids do exist and when a May/June/July/August 2010 kid holds back the on age kids with summer 2011 birthdays are playing kids 12-15 months older than they are. The rules allow this now, but don’t act like this isn’t a big deal. It is.
playing against kids that are 10-11 months older isn't that big a difference from playing against kids that are 12-13 months older.
In the puberty years, It absolutely is a big difference.
In high school, it’s not.
Not really. My son routinely plays against older kids in multiple sports. There is no way one can tell the difference between a kid that's 10-11 months older from a kid that's 12-13 months older.
In 8th grade their team would be a high school team…so you’re suggesting that as a senior they would just skip club lacrosse? Or that as an 8th grader they would just play with the high school team, all Because they were born two days before the cut off.
What dude? They would play in their age group. U13, U14, U15, etc. If most of their peers are in 9th grade but they have to play with mostly 8th graders that would be their parents fault for holding them back.
Have some accountability/integrity. You knew what you were doing when you held him back.
This is classic. Y’all are making it seem like at age 4 parents knew that at age 11 or 12 someone would change all the rules. But even more hilarious is that you think they were even thinking about sports. No one knows if their kid is even going to want to play sports at that age.
At the end of the day I really don’t care. Doesn’t truly impact my kid. But I know a lot of people who aren’t the monsters you make them out to be and he would definitely be impacted. And while those of you whose kid has been struggling presume it is all the “holdbacks” faults, you will soon learn that it was very few of them (12+ month holdbacks) who really needed to be addressed.
Frankly I know who most of the holdbacks are from 2030-2027 in our club. Non of them are the difference makers you make them out to be.
Now I’ve heard tales about the infamous double holdbacks and certain clubs who go out of the way to recruit kids down etc…and that’s disgusting. So if this is the only way to stop it, so be it.
But please stop with the assumptions that summer holdbacks are ao dangerous for your precious angel to play against. You’re talking about a couple months. And in some cases days.
You are a holdback apologist, so easy to see. You also make these strawman argument's that are Hilarious. Who is making them bad guys?, You ? , The system is broken when you allow same birthday players , one to play down and other to play on age with others playing down at the Youth level.
Age is what it should be whatever start you have ( Jan 1, May1, Sept 1 ) .
The old way to help your kid was to take a PG year. Let him play with his age peers and if he is good you can send him to a fancy school for a year to fix his grades or mature. Not sure what was wrong with that model? This obviously doesn’t apply to the 5 year old late summer bday holdbacks.
Nobody likes being called out for cheating.
The old way to help your kid was to take a PG year. Let him play with his age peers and if he is good you can send him to a fancy school for a year to fix his grades or mature. Not sure what was wrong with that model? This obviously doesn’t apply to the 5 year old late summer bday holdbacks.
It is so fun guessing ages now for college players. lets see, one year holdback, one year PG and one year Redshirt and what do you have ....
a 21 year old Freshman. Hilarious..and what does that get you ?? a ticket to the PLL and Paul
The old way to help your kid was to take a PG year. Let him play with his age peers and if he is good you can send him to a fancy school for a year to fix his grades or mature. Not sure what was wrong with that model? This obviously doesn’t apply to the 5 year old late summer bday holdbacks.
It is so fun guessing ages now for college players. lets see, one year holdback, one year PG and one year Redshirt and what do you have ....
a 21 year old Freshman. Hilarious..and what does that get you ?? a ticket to the PLL and Paul
You get a 25 year old looking for his first job, 3-4 years after his peers.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
I've witnessed in person the 29 ML parents actively rooting for / scheming this matchup and it is delusional at best. Though, yes, 29 ML is very, very good. There is no MD/DC/Phila 2029 team at any level I can think of, that could beat their 2028 roster, except for maybe 2029 LTLC vs 2028 LTLC last year.
The old way to help your kid was to take a PG year. Let him play with his age peers and if he is good you can send him to a fancy school for a year to fix his grades or mature. Not sure what was wrong with that model? This obviously doesn’t apply to the 5 year old late summer bday holdbacks.
It is so fun guessing ages now for college players. lets see, one year holdback, one year PG and one year Redshirt and what do you have ....
a 21 year old Freshman. Hilarious..and what does that get you ?? a ticket to the PLL and Paul
You get a 25 year old looking for his first job, 3-4 years after his peers.
I love the public school parents thinking that D1 former McDonogh (example) kids are just out there "applying for jobs" on monster.com or whatever. From pre-first to bachelors, these parents have used every opportunity to create every advantage for their kids, spending $400-700K along the way. Do you think those parents just shut off those opportunities and "on ramps" when Braydenn Jr. gets his finance degree? Obviously they'll help him get placed in a job that starts in the $60-80Ks, and probably let him live in one of the parents' rental houses for discounted rent, and have Mom's old Volvo SUV.
I'm not saying it's right, or it's fair. I'm just saying, get a clue. This is not a meritocracy. Like Duke lax alumni are out there searching for gigs on usajobs.gov...........Cmon man.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
I've witnessed in person the 29 ML parents actively rooting for / scheming this matchup and it is delusional at best. Though, yes, 29 ML is very, very good. There is no MD/DC/Phila 2029 team at any level I can think of, that could beat their 2028 roster, except for maybe 2029 LTLC vs 2028 LTLC last year.
Preds
The 29’s would give them a game. I don’t think they could win, but def would not be 15-0. In fact it don’t think any of the elite 28 teams could beat them 15-0
The 29’s would give them a game. I don’t think they could win, but def would not be 15-0. In fact it don’t think any of the elite 28 teams could beat them 15-0
This is laughable. There are ML 28 players that would run roughshod over them. Would not be a game at all.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
I've witnessed in person the 29 ML parents actively rooting for / scheming this matchup and it is delusional at best. Though, yes, 29 ML is very, very good. There is no MD/DC/Phila 2029 team at any level I can think of, that could beat their 2028 roster, except for maybe 2029 LTLC vs 2028 LTLC last year.
Preds
Good point. Story I heard was that they scrimmaged and tied last year. Both squads are allegedly improved this year but "we'll see" on that.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
I've witnessed in person the 29 ML parents actively rooting for / scheming this matchup and it is delusional at best. Though, yes, 29 ML is very, very good. There is no MD/DC/Phila 2029 team at any level I can think of, that could beat their 2028 roster, except for maybe 2029 LTLC vs 2028 LTLC last year.
Preds
Correct, Predators team to beat and talk of Baltimore
FCA 2029 scrimmaged and tied FCA 2028 White.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
What’s your point? Yes those teams would handle 29 madlax or the hawks. But madlax and hawks would throttle the elite 2030 teams and the top elite 27 teams would bury whichever elite 28 team your kid is on listed above.
That’s how it should be.
Addressing the previous poster who said “29 Hawks and Madlax teams can compete against 2028 teams”
Sure, maybe against bottom level 2028 teams. The statement was overly generic… point was, they’d get run off the field by a top tier 2028 team.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
this outcome would look like 20-1 2028’s winning, and likely 2-3 kids on the 2029 team in the ER
If you want an on age game then Madlax 2029’s should play 2028 Long Island teams.
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
this outcome would look like 20-1 2028’s winning, and likely 2-3 kids on the 2029 team in the ER
And this is exactly why holdbacks shouldn’t be allowed and is under consideration for change… anyone who says differently, I ask, then why even have grade based leagues. Just take the best teams in 2-3 age brackets and play each other. 2028-2030. Why not 🤷♂️
Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
this outcome would look like 20-1 2028’s winning, and likely 2-3 kids on the 2029 team in the ER
And this is exactly why holdbacks shouldn’t be allowed and is under consideration for change… anyone who says differently, I ask, then why even have grade based leagues. Just take the best teams in 2-3 age brackets and play each other. 2028-2030. Why not 🤷♂️
Grade based let's kids play with their classmates. Keeps teams intact thru their recruiting years.
[quote=Anonymous]Aren’t 2029 teams supposed to play 2029 teams?
Someone must have lost to the 2029 Madlax team along with way. Maybe in one of these:
HoCo Champ - Madlax
NAL Champ - Madlax
Naptown Champ - Madlax
NLF Champ Madlax
Agree with the above 2029 Madlax and 2029 Hawks can compete against 2028s. And if they get pummeled in a game, they are supposed to, they are a year younger.
Maybe lower level 2028 teams. They’d get rolled 15-0 playing 28 Hawks, FCA, Madlax, etc
29 Madlax could beat 28 Madlax, or at least give them a really tough game.
Ummm....no.
this outcome would look like 20-1 2028’s winning, and likely 2-3 kids on the 2029 team in the ER
And this is exactly why holdbacks shouldn’t be allowed and is under consideration for change… anyone who says differently, I ask, then why even have grade based leagues. Just take the best teams in 2-3 age brackets and play each other. 2028-2030. Why not 🤷♂️
Grade based let's kids play with their classmates. Keeps teams intact thru their recruiting years.[/quot
There are cases where a playoff-caliber elite team can beat a lower level elite team. At the 2028 level, however, a collection of kids hit puberty and the size differently can be severe. Also, the shooting velocity really kicks up (several goalies deal with broken thumbs ever year at 7th and 8th grade levels.) I’d be shocked if ML 2029 could hang with ML 2028. Not a dad of either team, just being realistic.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
Per this board, there was a scrimmage that ended in a tie. So what is it??
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
Per this board, there was a scrimmage that ended in a tie. So what is it??
28’s probably missing their double holdback.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
Per this board, there was a scrimmage that ended in a tie. So what is it??
28’s probably missing their double holdback.
Oh no you're going to bring out the ghost of Madlax Past, and he'll show you a tomb stone reading, "You Know Nothing, Clown, he's 13 and he's been 13 for 3 years! SCRAM!"
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
Per this board, there was a scrimmage that ended in a tie. So what is it??
The 29’s wouldn’t score on the 28’s. It would be 20-0 and several 29’s would be in the infirmary
I know the USA Club Lacrosse rankings have no meaning or merritt....however it is pretty fool to see 6 2029 HOCO elite teams represented in the top 40, let alone the top 3 teams.
Madlax #1
Next Level #2
Hawks #3
VLC #22
FCA #28
True Chesapeake #39
I know the USA Club Lacrosse rankings have no meaning or merritt....however it is pretty fool to see 6 2029 HOCO elite teams represented in the top 40, let alone the top 3 teams.
Madlax #1
Next Level #2
Hawks #3
VLC #22
FCA #28
True Chesapeake #39
Your reaction isn't uncommon and I get the skepticism, and yes, of course USCL lol, but I have to go ahead and tell you that the idea coming out from national coaches and USL magazine and the gear manufacturers that lax is being played at a high level all over the country and it's just exploding, future D1 players everywhere!!!!.....that idea is not correct. MD/VA/Philly lacrosse is well-played, sorry-not-sorry.
Some club directors have deluded themselves into believing that there are lonely laxxers just standing around on every street corner from WA to TX and they'll "scoop them up" but a) it's really enough to fill about 3 WCS rosters and 2 Mad Dog rosters, and b) they don't ALL want to come to your outdoor training camp in Maryland in February lol. Most of the WCS teams pull from 40 states!
You could definitely get into the nitty gritty of, OK, is FCA really better than Laxachusetts or Shore 2 Shore or Team 10 or the other handful of NY, CT, MA teams that really have something going on. But I am here to tell you that especially pre-8th/9th holdbacks, the MD/VA teams listed are quite good. I have complaints about each of them (directors/coaches/parents) but that's off topic....... those are solid lacrosse teams.
Be proud of the local 2029s. They're good! And when they have to face off against True Idaho All Stars or "Utah Lax Xtreme" or whatever, the MD/VA boys will do just fine.
I know the USA Club Lacrosse rankings have no meaning or merritt....however it is pretty fool to see 6 2029 HOCO elite teams represented in the top 40, let alone the top 3 teams.
Madlax #1
Next Level #2
Hawks #3
VLC #22
FCA #28
True Chesapeake #39
Good observation True Dad.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
MadLax 2029 is dominant and 2028 is not, that is true. But come to think of it, all the MadLax teams above 2029 seem to be in decline. Is there a single one that is doing great in its class?
And don't forget Bethesda Blue ranked 81st and Team Maryland ranked 91st overall. And two teams that didn't have the six games required for the rankings, but with the points based on the games they did play that would put them at 59th (LTLC) and 73rd (Team 91 MD). And Preds MD finish with only one fall loss, and ranked 119. No doubt the 6 teams ranked top 40 will be in the top HoCo division. Will be interesting to see who the other two teams in the division will be.
And don't forget Bethesda Blue ranked 81st and Team Maryland ranked 91st overall. And two teams that didn't have the six games required for the rankings, but with the points based on the games they did play that would put them at 59th (LTLC) and 73rd (Team 91 MD). And Preds MD finish with only one fall loss, and ranked 119. No doubt the 6 teams ranked top 40 will be in the top HoCo division. Will be interesting to see who the other two teams in the division will be.
So Madlax, Next Level, Hawks, VLC, FCA and True Chesapeake are ELITE definites. LTLC is got to be a definite which leaves one slot. I'm assuming that Team MD, Predators, and probably even Bethesda Blue all asked to be in AAA.....which would leave Team 91 MD with the final slot.
MADLAX
Next Level
Hawks
VLC
FCA
True Chesapeake
LTLC
Team 91 MD
And don't forget Bethesda Blue ranked 81st and Team Maryland ranked 91st overall. And two teams that didn't have the six games required for the rankings, but with the points based on the games they did play that would put them at 59th (LTLC) and 73rd (Team 91 MD). And Preds MD finish with only one fall loss, and ranked 119. No doubt the 6 teams ranked top 40 will be in the top HoCo division. Will be interesting to see who the other two teams in the division will be.
So Madlax, Next Level, Hawks, VLC, FCA and True Chesapeake are ELITE definites. LTLC is got to be a definite which leaves one slot. I'm assuming that Team MD, Predators, and probably even Bethesda Blue all asked to be in AAA.....which would leave Team 91 MD with the final slot.
MADLAX
Next Level
Hawks
VLC
FCA
True Chesapeake
LTLC
Team 91 MD
91 in elite is a really bad look for those kids, but if you know 91, you know it's not about those kids. It's about marketing the club as "elite" to other "elite" parents. The goal is to have them play elite, and for the next 2 years, elite kids disgruntled with other clubs will cycle in and out of 91 as what amounts to a fundraiser for the HS teams. Then, mid- 8th grade, the "player development" stops when the coaches tell most of the kids they should hold back and go to a lower tier MIAA school (as a 2nd year 8th grader), then maybe the year AFTER that, transfer to an upper MIAA school in 9th grade....that is.....if they want to play for 91 in HS. Which is branded as "we advise our players on the best fit for them in elite high schools."
To be fair, is sticking with that program any less silly than believing that "playing for FCA means BK will give him a pass at Calvert Hall tryouts in 9th grade!" ? I guess it's the same thing.....selling to parents.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
MadLax 2029 is dominant and 2028 is not, that is true. But come to think of it, all the MadLax teams above 2029 seem to be in decline. Is there a single one that is doing great in its class?
The Madlax 2028 team won NAL and NLF this summer. They beat all of the teams in the top 5, went something like 35-5. Hardly in decline, unless you count the fall when they were down half their team to football and injury.
Things do start to change in 7th grade as puberty starts to hit.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
MadLax 2029 is dominant and 2028 is not, that is true. But come to think of it, all the MadLax teams above 2029 seem to be in decline. Is there a single one that is doing great in its class?
The Madlax 2028 team won NAL and NLF this summer. They beat all of the teams in the top 5, went something like 35-5. Hardly in decline, unless you count the fall when they were down half their team to football and injury.
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Yes, those 13yr olds looked great.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
ML 29 is one of stronger classes while ML 28 isn't. But the 28s would pummel 29s in a head to head game.
MadLax 2029 is dominant and 2028 is not, that is true. But come to think of it, all the MadLax teams above 2029 seem to be in decline. Is there a single one that is doing great in its class?
The Madlax 2028 team won NAL and NLF this summer. They beat all of the teams in the top 5, went something like 35-5. Hardly in decline, unless you count the fall when they were down half their team to football and injury.
Things do start to change in 7th grade as puberty starts to hit.
Actually I do count the fall, because all teams play with depleted rosters in the fall, and Madlax did substantially worse than others. Their over-reliance on one player and general lack of depth was exposed. for example, most top 20 teams at this age carry two goalies, but MadLax has been unable to recruit a second one and it caught up to them. I also factor in their under-performance in HoCo, and the trajectory of the ML 2026 and 2027 teams and seeing the parallels. The 2027 team has dropped from where it was a couple of years ago, and parent coaching is the main reason; parent coaching works fine through 6th grade, but not in middle school. If MadLax 2028 were a stock, smart investors would have sold 6-12 months ago.
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
Holdbacks are simply kids that couldn’t cut it against their peers anyone who doesn’t see that is “delusional”
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
How did you come up with this?
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
Holdbacks are simply kids that couldn’t cut it against their peers anyone who doesn’t see that is “delusional”
My experience has been that the kids that I know for a fact are recent holdbacks were top players on their on-age teams. I personally don't know of any hold backs who were even mediocre when they were on age.
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
Holdbacks are simply kids that couldn’t cut it against their peers anyone who doesn’t see that is “delusional”
My experience has been that the kids that I know for a fact are recent holdbacks were top players on their on-age teams. I personally don't know of any hold backs who were even mediocre when they were on age.
Can the ML moms please take their conversations to the ML thread? BTW, all the teams parents and kids get a kick out of the lack of class and sportsmanship you lady’s show during games. Keep it up, it’s all recorded.
Let’s get back to 29’s!
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
Holdbacks are simply kids that couldn’t cut it against their peers anyone who doesn’t see that is “delusional”
My experience has been that the kids that I know for a fact are recent holdbacks were top players on their on-age teams. I personally don't know of any hold backs who were even mediocre when they were on age.
Nonsense.
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
Holdbacks are simply kids that couldn’t cut it against their peers anyone who doesn’t see that is “delusional”
My experience has been that the kids that I know for a fact are recent holdbacks were top players on their on-age teams. I personally don't know of any hold backs who were even mediocre when they were on age.
Nonsense.
I watched the kids in question play multiple times with their on-age team. They reclassed this year and are now on a younger team. My kid is on-age and not one of them. How is this nonsense? It certainly could be out of the ordinary but I'm only relaying what I've observed first hand.
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
Holdbacks are simply kids that couldn’t cut it against their peers anyone who doesn’t see that is “delusional”
My experience has been that the kids that I know for a fact are recent holdbacks were top players on their on-age teams. I personally don't know of any hold backs who were even mediocre when they were on age.
Nonsense.
I watched the kids in question play multiple times with their on-age team. They reclassed this year and are now on a younger team. My kid is on-age and not one of them. How is this nonsense? It certainly could be out of the ordinary but I'm only relaying what I've observed first hand.
Most of the holdbacks at this age are pre-k holdbacks. The parents that reclass their kids again in 8th grade are on another level of disgusting.
Anyone know any good reclass schools in Baltimore area?My kid is average at best so I’m thinking let’s reclass this kid so atleast he has a physical advantage over his peers. I held him back in Kindergarten so reclass next year should do the trick. He rarely practices and isn’t very fast but If he hits puberty 2 years before his peers that should level the playing field for him.
Anyone know any good reclass schools in Baltimore area?My kid is average at best so I’m thinking let’s reclass this kid so atleast he has a physical advantage over his peers. I held him back in Kindergarten so reclass next year should do the trick. He rarely practices and isn’t very fast but If he hits puberty 2 years before his peers that should level the playing field for him.
Try BL . Heard they don’t mind you paying extra 33K . Just don’t Expect him to play in high school when boarders come to town.
The MLC summer team is incredible.
The majority of the kids are holdbacks.
The same holdbacks don't play in the fall because they are busy playing football.
When they come back in the summer they'll win again.
Anyone that doesn't understand the difference in ability between a holdback and on age kid is delusional.
Holdbacks are simply kids that couldn’t cut it against their peers anyone who doesn’t see that is “delusional”
My experience has been that the kids that I know for a fact are recent holdbacks were top players on their on-age teams. I personally don't know of any hold backs who were even mediocre when they were on age.
Nonsense.
I watched the kids in question play multiple times with their on-age team. They reclassed this year and are now on a younger team. My kid is on-age and not one of them. How is this nonsense? It certainly could be out of the ordinary but I'm only relaying what I've observed first hand.
Several of the kids I have coached at rec-travel, AA, and AAA at one point or another, have reclassed over the years, and part of the (maybe mis-) calculation is usually that yes, they are excelling on their current team, but in many cases they were *previously* cut from an elite team, or at least relegated to low playing time and the coach made remarks about "size" or "physicality."
The difference in national player rankings by holding back a year is about 30. The difference for a AAA level player would be D3 vs mid/lower D1 (several already-reclassed 2029s/2030s come to mind here).
A talented AAA or elite player who holds back 2 years, has good size/speed, and has good rapport with coaches, virtually guarantees a top 25 national ranking.
You want to know why they do it, this is why they do it.
We know why they holdback, just think it’s a losers mentality and that they are cheaters.
This is why we need age based lacrosse and a company like Player Authenticate or similar to oversee it.
This is why we need age based lacrosse and a company like Player Authenticate or similar to oversee it.
Interesting marketing campaign.
Not marketing, just tired of the holdbacks and kids who play down in age. Wouldn’t care what company is used to enforce this, just enforce age at tournaments.
This is why we need age based lacrosse and a company like Player Authenticate or similar to oversee it.
You know what, that's all good and fine, but all it took was a Southwest Airlines computer meltdown, and suddenly the Circuit event in FL was full of double rostered kids, kids who showed up on game day who the coaches had never even heard of or met (, kids playing down (actual 2028s playing on 2029 rosters, 2029s also playing on 2028 rosters), etc. Some of the teams had to combine age groups just to run a full practice and 6v6 drills the night before. The integrity of that setup was crashed, totally. The only thing fair about it, was that each team seemed to be substantially affected, and the best run teams were in constant contact with the tournament folks about "how to handle it."
Until directors/coaches/holdback parents stop clutching their pearls over the embarrassment and indignity of a roster verification ("how dare you ask! get me my fainting couch!") before each game AND pre-season roster authentication, this sport will remain the wild west of athletics age compliance.
And before anybody starts, I don't mind holdbacks and my son is comfortable playing with and against them. But it's amusing how evasive the holdback parents are about what age their kid is, sometimes when directly asked. If it's no big deal, then shouldn't it be no big deal?
This is why we need age based lacrosse and a company like Player Authenticate or similar to oversee it.
Interesting marketing campaign.
Safety is a marketing campaign?
Is integrity a marketing campaign as well?
Look at the teams at these “National” events in Texas and Florida. Texas had 3 age groups (2027-2029) playing one another. Half of the teams in that bracket were Team 91. 91 has multiple “National” teams of the same age. Save your money. Tournament in Florida had much better teams and better attended but still it’s really for the clubs that have a hard time finding good competition within driving distance of their homes. The east coast have a problem finding great competition. I think the National teams are a huge waste of money and devalue the main clubs they represent. If the AA team isn’t playing the top competition they get rid of it and just have a national model. It’s a money grab. The AA teams can find tough competition all along the eastern seaboard. In my opinion National teams are the club’s way of trying to open up a new revenue stream and kids have been getting college scholarships without ever needing this in the past.
This is why we need age based lacrosse and a company like Player Authenticate or similar to oversee it.
Interesting marketing campaign.
Safety is a marketing campaign?
Is integrity a marketing campaign as well?
I bet your one of those parents that sees a kid that's 6 inches taller than every other kid and immediately concludes they're a holdback. People like you shouldn't be allowed around sports.
Look at the teams at these “National” events in Texas and Florida. Texas had 3 age groups (2027-2029) playing one another. Half of the teams in that bracket were Team 91. 91 has multiple “National” teams of the same age. Save your money. Tournament in Florida had much better teams and better attended but still it’s really for the clubs that have a hard time finding good competition within driving distance of their homes. The east coast have a problem finding great competition. I think the National teams are a huge waste of money and devalue the main clubs they represent. If the AA team isn’t playing the top competition they get rid of it and just have a national model. It’s a money grab. The AA teams can find tough competition all along the eastern seaboard. In my opinion National teams are the club’s way of trying to open up a new revenue stream and kids have been getting college scholarships without ever needing this in the past.
Exactly. National teams make sense for good, athletic players who live outside of lacrosse hotbeds, and whose families are willing to make a pretty big investment of time and money, so that they can get elite level coaching, teammates, and competition several times a year. But for kids already playing on elite level east coast teams who have good local lacrosse 8-9 months a year (or more), playing on these teams seems a bit much.
Look at the teams at these “National” events in Texas and Florida. Texas had 3 age groups (2027-2029) playing one another. Half of the teams in that bracket were Team 91. 91 has multiple “National” teams of the same age. Save your money. Tournament in Florida had much better teams and better attended but still it’s really for the clubs that have a hard time finding good competition within driving distance of their homes. The east coast have a problem finding great competition. I think the National teams are a huge waste of money and devalue the main clubs they represent. If the AA team isn’t playing the top competition they get rid of it and just have a national model. It’s a money grab. The AA teams can find tough competition all along the eastern seaboard. In my opinion National teams are the club’s way of trying to open up a new revenue stream and kids have been getting college scholarships without ever needing this in the past.
Exactly. National teams make sense for good, athletic players who live outside of lacrosse hotbeds, and whose families are willing to make a pretty big investment of time and money, so that they can get elite level coaching, teammates, and competition several times a year. But for kids already playing on elite level east coast teams who have good local lacrosse 8-9 months a year (or more), playing on these teams seems a bit much.
I would even argue that the standard for "elite" lax is so high from MA to DC and so low everywhere else that AAA players in this region can have a whole boatload of fun on a national team. But it's just fun and money. I don't think they're getting any substantial benefit that they don't already receive by having FCL, Inner Circle, and so many others available locally, and good coaching/teams to play from March to July (whether AAA or elite).
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I would even argue that the standard for "elite" lax is so high from MA to DC and so low everywhere else that AAA players in this region can have a whole boatload of fun on a national team. But it's just fun and money. I don't think they're getting any substantial benefit that they don't already receive by having FCL, Inner Circle, and so many others available locally, and good coaching/teams to play from March to July (whether AAA or elite).
This. The fact that "West Coast Starz" needs to pull from 30-40 states per age group to assemble a top 25 national roster is a good reminder that your AAA son will have a "just fine" chance of at least making rosters in HS and college.
Honest question… outside of the obvious (madlax, hawks, next level) teams… using hoco as a benchmark, what would you define as AAA?
This is why we need age based lacrosse and a company like Player Authenticate or similar to oversee it.
Interesting marketing campaign.
Safety is a marketing campaign?
Is integrity a marketing campaign as well?
I bet your one of those parents that sees a kid that's 6 inches taller than every other kid and immediately concludes they're a holdback. People like you shouldn't be allowed around sports.
LOL. This is awesome.
This is the same holdback dad that wont play his kids his own age.
You are soft.
This is why we need age based lacrosse and a company like Player Authenticate or similar to oversee it.
Interesting marketing campaign.
Safety is a marketing campaign?
Is integrity a marketing campaign as well?
I bet your one of those parents that sees a kid that's 6 inches taller than every other kid and immediately concludes they're a holdback. People like you shouldn't be allowed around sports.
LOL. This is awesome.
This is the same holdback dad that wont play his kids his own age.
You are soft.
And you have a Napoleon complex.
Your double holdback kid is so bad that my on age 6th grader is forced to play up with the double holdback 8th graders in the winter. So while your 8th grader is playing 6th graders the top 6th graders are playing double holdback 10th graders. Don’t go feeling too good about your choices.. Haha…
Honest question… outside of the obvious (madlax, hawks, next level) teams… using hoco as a benchmark, what would you define as AAA?
Everywhere else in the country, basic standards are
NLF (generally top half of HoCo elite)
AA Ball (covers HoCo AAA and lower 1/2 of HoCO Elite)
A Ball (covers HoCo AA and maybe some A teams)
B Ball: Lax Federation and A-Ball at Aloha events: rec-club, rec all stars, teams you've never heard of generally. Aka "who knew that 3D had a team in Mississippi?"
I haven't heard of "AAA" level except in baseball, and the "elite" thing is of course, made up.
Saw that MYLA is trying to market more and push as they run their own MYLA "Club League"
Anyone know who is considering playing it in?? Trying to get my son's team to play so they could get 2 games a weekend.
Last year it was most of the HOCO AAA bracket with a few others such as Baltimore Swarm.
I hear FCA and LTLC will be in MYLA this year on Saturdays. FCA beat LTLC to win MYLA 29 division last year. Both should also be in top HoCo division on Sundays. I'm not sure the cost for MYLA - although do know it's pretty dirt cheap compared to everything else, especially considering all the extra games.
Last year MYLA 2029 Club Division was Carroll Manor, Kelly Post A, Kelly Post B, LTLC, Forest Hill, FCA, Hoco, Swarm.
$950 for 7 regular season games. Top 4 teams make the playoffs.
Any word on when HOCO division will be announced? Curious who is making the 2029 Elite Division
It should be:
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
VLC
FCA
LTLC
And pick two from this list arguments for and against all of them
BLC
91
Predators
Team MD
HoCo
Should be the same lineup as last year but swap Team 91 for FCA.
Any word on when HOCO division will be announced? Curious who is making the 2029 Elite Division
It’ll probably be leaked on this board 1-2 weeks before the schedule is released.
The MYLA has to go down as one of the most misguided terrible run orgs ever. Teaming up with the HOCA league years ago was one of the ( fill in blanks) ideas ever.
BLC- will remain in elite div
91- Far and away the worst team in elite last year. will drop to AAA.
Predators- a nice team on the rise but there’s no chance they jump from AA to Elite. They will likely finish middle of the pack in AAA.
Team MD- the only other team that could make an argument for Elite. However, they are a step behind FCA.
HoCo- solid AAA team that would get exposed in Elite.
You also forgot True Chesapeake. They will remain in elite.
Any word on when HOCO division will be announced? Curious who is making the 2029 Elite Division
It’ll probably be leaked on this board 1-2 weeks before the schedule is released.
Asking about HOCO in January.... you must be new, which is fine, we were all new to this at one point. The initial alignments will be leaked by coaches around mid March. Some of the coaches will then try to get their team moved to whatever division they think they should be in. Final alignments will leaked a week before season starts. Then maybe 4-5 days before the first game, HOCO will release a partial schedule (first couple games). The final schedule won't come out until after the first game has already been played.
Don't expect to see any sort of schedule until March 20th if the season starts the weekend of March 25th. Everyone will [Censored] and moan about how inept HOCO/Ricky is and if the girls league can get the schedule out earlier why can't the boys. It has been like this for the past 5 seasons that my boys have played in this league and I don't see the process/timeline changing. It's frustrating, but you just have to deal with it. Just plan on having a game on Sunday's (or Saturday's for 2028/2027) for 7-8 weeks depending on if you make playoffs.
Oh, then expect all the posts about how the refs are horrible to start coming on Monday after the first weekend, lol.
BLC- will remain in elite div
91- Far and away the worst team in elite last year. will drop to AAA.
Predators- a nice team on the rise but there’s no chance they jump from AA to Elite. They will likely finish middle of the pack in AAA.
Team MD- the only other team that could make an argument for Elite. However, they are a step behind FCA.
HoCo- solid AAA team that would get exposed in Elite.
Accurate take, except Millon will fight hard to keep 91 in elite. 91 2028s have been told they are playing in elite, despite coming in 4th? in AAA last year. Unlike the 91 2028s, who picked up some elite-adjacent players this summer (from Kelly Post and Predators), the 2029 Team 91 squad seemed to have lost a bunch of players to Predators for the 2nd year in a row. And they are having supplemental tryouts for teams as old as 2030s....is this Team 91 or is this Breakers / True Baltimore? LOL.
BLC- will remain in elite div
91- Far and away the worst team in elite last year. will drop to AAA.
Predators- a nice team on the rise but there’s no chance they jump from AA to Elite. They will likely finish middle of the pack in AAA.
Team MD- the only other team that could make an argument for Elite. However, they are a step behind FCA.
HoCo- solid AAA team that would get exposed in Elite.
Accurate take, except Millon will fight hard to keep 91 in elite. 91 2028s have been told they are playing in elite, despite coming in 4th? in AAA last year. Unlike the 91 2028s, who picked up some elite-adjacent players this summer (from Kelly Post and Predators), the 2029 Team 91 squad seemed to have lost a bunch of players to Predators for the 2nd year in a row. And they are having supplemental tryouts for teams as old as 2030s....is this Team 91 or is this Breakers / True Baltimore? LOL.
91 parent here and when coach was asked a few weeks ago he said that we would 100% be in the Elite division of HOCO. Maybe that changes, but that's what we were told. That would lead me to think that the following 7 are guaranteed with
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
VLC
True Chesapeake
LTLC
Team 91 MD
Which leaves one slot between BLC, FCA, Team MD, and Predators. Didn't a few divisions have to have play in games the week before the season to determine who made elite last year? Pretty sure the 2026's had that.
BLC- will remain in elite div
91- Far and away the worst team in elite last year. will drop to AAA.
Predators- a nice team on the rise but there’s no chance they jump from AA to Elite. They will likely finish middle of the pack in AAA.
Team MD- the only other team that could make an argument for Elite. However, they are a step behind FCA.
HoCo- solid AAA team that would get exposed in Elite.
Accurate take, except Millon will fight hard to keep 91 in elite. 91 2028s have been told they are playing in elite, despite coming in 4th? in AAA last year. Unlike the 91 2028s, who picked up some elite-adjacent players this summer (from Kelly Post and Predators), the 2029 Team 91 squad seemed to have lost a bunch of players to Predators for the 2nd year in a row. And they are having supplemental tryouts for teams as old as 2030s....is this Team 91 or is this Breakers / True Baltimore? LOL.
91 parent here and when coach was asked a few weeks ago he said that we would 100% be in the Elite division of HOCO. Maybe that changes, but that's what we were told. That would lead me to think that the following 7 are guaranteed with
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
VLC
True Chesapeake
LTLC
Team 91 MD
Which leaves one slot between BLC, FCA, Team MD, and Predators. Didn't a few divisions have to have play in games the week before the season to determine who made elite last year? Pretty sure the 2026's had that.
Yes the older age groups have had play-in games. No disrespect to Predators or Team MD who are not bad clubs by any stretch, but a play-in game between FCA and BLC makes the most sense. And to be honest I could see 91 getting thrown into that mix as well. Want the spot? Go get it.
BLC- will remain in elite div
91- Far and away the worst team in elite last year. will drop to AAA.
Predators- a nice team on the rise but there’s no chance they jump from AA to Elite. They will likely finish middle of the pack in AAA.
Team MD- the only other team that could make an argument for Elite. However, they are a step behind FCA.
HoCo- solid AAA team that would get exposed in Elite.
Accurate take, except Millon will fight hard to keep 91 in elite. 91 2028s have been told they are playing in elite, despite coming in 4th? in AAA last year. Unlike the 91 2028s, who picked up some elite-adjacent players this summer (from Kelly Post and Predators), the 2029 Team 91 squad seemed to have lost a bunch of players to Predators for the 2nd year in a row. And they are having supplemental tryouts for teams as old as 2030s....is this Team 91 or is this Breakers / True Baltimore? LOL.
91 parent here and when coach was asked a few weeks ago he said that we would 100% be in the Elite division of HOCO. Maybe that changes, but that's what we were told. That would lead me to think that the following 7 are guaranteed with
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
VLC
True Chesapeake
LTLC
Team 91 MD
Which leaves one slot between BLC, FCA, Team MD, and Predators. Didn't a few divisions have to have play in games the week before the season to determine who made elite last year? Pretty sure the 2026's had that.
If it is one slot and those are the teams, it would have to be FCA. This shouldn’t even be debated. What is debatable is whether 91 should be in elite over the teams on the list.
BLC came in 4th last year out of 8 teams in elite and made the playoffs. In what universe does an 0-7 Team 91 team that gave up 85 goals while only scoring 20 get the nod over them?
Moreover, as a Team 91 parent, why would you want your kid's team play in a league where they get drilled every week. Playing against tough competition is one thing. Losing 12-2 every game doesn't develop players.
Agreed. FCA was clearly the best team in AAA last year and just tied VLC during a tourney in the fall.
Team 91 in AAA makes the most sense. Frankly, they probably come in 3rd or 4th at that level as I doubt they are able to beat Team Maryland or HOCO. No disrespect intended.
BLC came in 4th last year out of 8 teams in elite and made the playoffs. In what universe does an 0-7 Team 91 team that gave up 85 goals while only scoring 20 get the nod over them?
Moreover, as a Team 91 parent, why would you want your kid's team play in a league where they get drilled every week. Playing against tough competition is one thing. Losing 12-2 every game doesn't develop players.
BLC is a shell of its former self, a bunch of key players left
Teams are slotted in HOCO based on past performance not forecasts of how they will perform. Until 91 shows they can actually hang with the big boys or BLC shows they are out of their league, the elite division should be determined on last years outcomes.
I'm guessing the following teams will be in the HOCO Elite division............and I'll rank them in order as I see them right now after seeing who has added key pieces and lost players thus far.
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Next Level
4. VLC
5. True Chesapeake
6. FCA
7. LTLC
8. BLC
Teams are slotted in HOCO based on past performance not forecasts of how they will perform. Until 91 shows they can actually hang with the big boys or BLC shows they are out of their league, the elite division should be determined on last years outcomes.
Lacrosse is not a meritocracy. Millon will call Ricky, as I'm sure he has already, and say "91 is top to bottom the best club in Maryland and produces #1 college recruits and makes the HoCo league look good, so you should put the teams wherever I say you should."
91's sales pitch is "developing elite athletes" but their actual business model is to hang around in elite alleyways and start picking up disgruntled elite kids in 7th, 8th, 9th grade who were developed by someone else entirely. Then they fold holdbacks into the batter until the majority of starters are holdbacks in 11th grade, and suddenly it's a Top 10 national team. This is the 91 MD recipe.
This will happen soon enough with the 2029s. A good rec club coach will "come over" with 10 kids and suddenly they will start winning games. Follow the 2028 T91 road map:
2019-2020: 2028 Team 91 team is something like 2W-26L overall. Coach fired. Most kids leave.
2021: 91 Recruits 2028 Swarm coach, brings over 10+ kids who don't even attend tryouts. Team is suddenly about 9W-12L overall at a high level.
2022: Same coach brings over 8 more kids and a dad coach from Kelly Post's elite team. Team beats Hawks in the fall of 2022.
2023: See what happens next. They are playing Elite this spring. They'll win some games too (unlike the 2029s).
2024: Most of the 2028 91 kids are already at MIAA schools where they will stay for HS, or may hold back on Millon's advice, but Millon will brag that he got them "recruited to MIAA."
By 2026: Most of the kids who joined before 2024 will be long gone. Because "player development."
That is the MD 91 recipe. See where you can slide your kid into that, or move on lol.
Teams are slotted in HOCO based on past performance not forecasts of how they will perform. Until 91 shows they can actually hang with the big boys or BLC shows they are out of their league, the elite division should be determined on last years outcomes.
Lacrosse is not a meritocracy. Millon will call Ricky, as I'm sure he has already, and say "91 is top to bottom the best club in Maryland and produces #1 college recruits and makes the HoCo league look good, so you should put the teams wherever I say you should."
91's sales pitch is "developing elite athletes" but their actual business model is to hang around in elite alleyways and start picking up disgruntled elite kids in 7th, 8th, 9th grade who were developed by someone else entirely. Then they fold holdbacks into the batter until the majority of starters are holdbacks in 11th grade, and suddenly it's a Top 10 national team. This is the 91 MD recipe.
This will happen soon enough with the 2029s. A good rec club coach will "come over" with 10 kids and suddenly they will start winning games. Follow the 2028 T91 road map:
2019-2020: 2028 Team 91 team is something like 2W-26L overall. Coach fired. Most kids leave.
2021: 91 Recruits 2028 Swarm coach, brings over 10+ kids who don't even attend tryouts. Team is suddenly about 9W-12L overall at a high level.
2022: Same coach brings over 8 more kids and a dad coach from Kelly Post's elite team. Team beats Hawks in the fall of 2022.
2023: See what happens next. They are playing Elite this spring. They'll win some games too (unlike the 2029s).
2024: Most of the 2028 91 kids are already at MIAA schools where they will stay for HS, or may hold back on Millon's advice, but Millon will brag that he got them "recruited to MIAA."
By 2026: Most of the kids who joined before 2024 will be long gone. Because "player development."
That is the MD 91 recipe. See where you can slide your kid into that, or move on lol.
The 2028 team will not win a game in Elite. You heard it here first. 5-10 kids whose parents thought they would be major starters/contributors will be shopping new teams come Summer/Try-Out Season. Perhaps a team without Dad coaches.
Teams are slotted in HOCO based on past performance not forecasts of how they will perform. Until 91 shows they can actually hang with the big boys or BLC shows they are out of their league, the elite division should be determined on last years outcomes.
Lacrosse is not a meritocracy. Millon will call Ricky, as I'm sure he has already, and say "91 is top to bottom the best club in Maryland and produces #1 college recruits and makes the HoCo league look good, so you should put the teams wherever I say you should."
91's sales pitch is "developing elite athletes" but their actual business model is to hang around in elite alleyways and start picking up disgruntled elite kids in 7th, 8th, 9th grade who were developed by someone else entirely. Then they fold holdbacks into the batter until the majority of starters are holdbacks in 11th grade, and suddenly it's a Top 10 national team. This is the 91 MD recipe.
This will happen soon enough with the 2029s. A good rec club coach will "come over" with 10 kids and suddenly they will start winning games. Follow the 2028 T91 road map:
2019-2020: 2028 Team 91 team is something like 2W-26L overall. Coach fired. Most kids leave.
2021: 91 Recruits 2028 Swarm coach, brings over 10+ kids who don't even attend tryouts. Team is suddenly about 9W-12L overall at a high level.
2022: Same coach brings over 8 more kids and a dad coach from Kelly Post's elite team. Team beats Hawks in the fall of 2022.
2023: See what happens next. They are playing Elite this spring. They'll win some games too (unlike the 2029s).
2024: Most of the 2028 91 kids are already at MIAA schools where they will stay for HS, or may hold back on Millon's advice, but Millon will brag that he got them "recruited to MIAA."
By 2026: Most of the kids who joined before 2024 will be long gone. Because "player development."
That is the MD 91 recipe. See where you can slide your kid into that, or move on lol.
The 2028 team will not win a game in Elite. You heard it here first. 5-10 kids whose parents thought they would be major starters/contributors will be shopping new teams come Summer/Try-Out Season. Perhaps a team without Dad coaches.
I am inclined to believe all of that actually.
If you believed the guy with a 40 man roster of 6th graders and a fake "practice team", who has made 100% of his club coaching reputation on poaching players wholesale from one club to the next, that your son was "going to be a major contributor, " I mean that is kind of on you. And if you thought your kid was going to start over one of the 3-4 dad coaches' kids, that is also kind of on you.
That 2028 coach will be happy to have you all leave, not because your sons can't play, but because he needs to start backfilling the roster with holdbacks for the HS years. You heard it here first lol.
This is why they need to make this illegal, don’t you see that once everyone starts holding back then you lose your advantage? Then what? Holdback your kid 2 years? 3 years? My kid will gladly grab your kids job and salary for the 3 extra years it takes him to graduate. He can then come work for my son. Unless your son wants to go pro for 30k a year!
This is why they need to make this illegal, don’t you see that once everyone starts holding back then you lose your advantage? Then what? Holdback your kid 2 years? 3 years? My kid will gladly grab your kids job and salary for the 3 extra years it takes him to graduate. He can then come work for my son. Unless your son wants to go pro for 30k a year!
I'm 100% anti-holdback, but you are missing the reality of the holdback "ecosystem" entirely. If you go to McDonogh for 13/14 years, then ride the bench at Princeton Lacrosse for 4 years, you are not graduating and then "applying for jobs." The reality you represent is a middle class fantasy that, once again, prep school and lacrosse are meritocracies. They were not designed to be such. They are designed to create non-competitive advantage.
If you are going to work at your family's law firm, Dad & Mom don't care if you show up at age 23, 25, or 26. More likely, you are going to work wherever your Princeton friends are going to work, starting salary with no experience in the 80s-90K range, and nobody will care that you are 23 instead of 22. I went to public high school and public college and didn't become a CEO until age 45 but these kids are on a different track. They will not be "applying for jobs" @ $40K to have bosses who have degrees from Frostburg.
Is that unfair? Of course. Yet here we are.
Teams are slotted in HOCO based on past performance not forecasts of how they will perform. Until 91 shows they can actually hang with the big boys or BLC shows they are out of their league, the elite division should be determined on last years outcomes.
Lacrosse is not a meritocracy. Millon will call Ricky, as I'm sure he has already, and say "91 is top to bottom the best club in Maryland and produces #1 college recruits and makes the HoCo league look good, so you should put the teams wherever I say you should."
91's sales pitch is "developing elite athletes" but their actual business model is to hang around in elite alleyways and start picking up disgruntled elite kids in 7th, 8th, 9th grade who were developed by someone else entirely. Then they fold holdbacks into the batter until the majority of starters are holdbacks in 11th grade, and suddenly it's a Top 10 national team. This is the 91 MD recipe.
This will happen soon enough with the 2029s. A good rec club coach will "come over" with 10 kids and suddenly they will start winning games. Follow the 2028 T91 road map:
2019-2020: 2028 Team 91 team is something like 2W-26L overall. Coach fired. Most kids leave.
2021: 91 Recruits 2028 Swarm coach, brings over 10+ kids who don't even attend tryouts. Team is suddenly about 9W-12L overall at a high level.
2022: Same coach brings over 8 more kids and a dad coach from Kelly Post's elite team. Team beats Hawks in the fall of 2022.
2023: See what happens next. They are playing Elite this spring. They'll win some games too (unlike the 2029s).
2024: Most of the 2028 91 kids are already at MIAA schools where they will stay for HS, or may hold back on Millon's advice, but Millon will brag that he got them "recruited to MIAA."
By 2026: Most of the kids who joined before 2024 will be long gone. Because "player development."
That is the MD 91 recipe. See where you can slide your kid into that, or move on lol.
The 2028 team will not win a game in Elite. You heard it here first. 5-10 kids whose parents thought they would be major starters/contributors will be shopping new teams come Summer/Try-Out Season. Perhaps a team without Dad coaches.
I am inclined to believe all of that actually.
If you believed the guy with a 40 man roster of 6th graders and a fake "practice team", who has made 100% of his club coaching reputation on poaching players wholesale from one club to the next, that your son was "going to be a major contributor, " I mean that is kind of on you. And if you thought your kid was going to start over one of the 3-4 dad coaches' kids, that is also kind of on you.
That 2028 coach will be happy to have you all leave, not because your sons can't play, but because he needs to start backfilling the roster with holdbacks for the HS years. You heard it here first lol.
No dog in this fight but come on.... I watched this '28 91 team 2 years ago before new coach play FH rec team and lost by like 10 goals. Really bad talent, not much coaching, and very loud parents who were clueless. Did not look like a elite team as advertised. Just because you sign your kid up at 10 for a elite team doesn't make them elite. Of course new talent had to be brought in and new coaching in this place. Pretty shocking this much improvement this quickly. This is elite lacrosse all the teams bring in new kids. FCA just brought in all new attack. What di 91 do differently? Did the old players that had 2-22 record go to other elite teams or were they just not AAAA/elite level kids?
Teams are slotted in HOCO based on past performance not forecasts of how they will perform. Until 91 shows they can actually hang with the big boys or BLC shows they are out of their league, the elite division should be determined on last years outcomes.
Lacrosse is not a meritocracy. Millon will call Ricky, as I'm sure he has already, and say "91 is top to bottom the best club in Maryland and produces #1 college recruits and makes the HoCo league look good, so you should put the teams wherever I say you should."
91's sales pitch is "developing elite athletes" but their actual business model is to hang around in elite alleyways and start picking up disgruntled elite kids in 7th, 8th, 9th grade who were developed by someone else entirely. Then they fold holdbacks into the batter until the majority of starters are holdbacks in 11th grade, and suddenly it's a Top 10 national team. This is the 91 MD recipe.
This will happen soon enough with the 2029s. A good rec club coach will "come over" with 10 kids and suddenly they will start winning games. Follow the 2028 T91 road map:
2019-2020: 2028 Team 91 team is something like 2W-26L overall. Coach fired. Most kids leave.
2021: 91 Recruits 2028 Swarm coach, brings over 10+ kids who don't even attend tryouts. Team is suddenly about 9W-12L overall at a high level.
2022: Same coach brings over 8 more kids and a dad coach from Kelly Post's elite team. Team beats Hawks in the fall of 2022.
2023: See what happens next. They are playing Elite this spring. They'll win some games too (unlike the 2029s).
2024: Most of the 2028 91 kids are already at MIAA schools where they will stay for HS, or may hold back on Millon's advice, but Millon will brag that he got them "recruited to MIAA."
By 2026: Most of the kids who joined before 2024 will be long gone. Because "player development."
That is the MD 91 recipe. See where you can slide your kid into that, or move on lol.
The 2028 team will not win a game in Elite. You heard it here first. 5-10 kids whose parents thought they would be major starters/contributors will be shopping new teams come Summer/Try-Out Season. Perhaps a team without Dad coaches.
I am inclined to believe all of that actually.
If you believed the guy with a 40 man roster of 6th graders and a fake "practice team", who has made 100% of his club coaching reputation on poaching players wholesale from one club to the next, that your son was "going to be a major contributor, " I mean that is kind of on you. And if you thought your kid was going to start over one of the 3-4 dad coaches' kids, that is also kind of on you.
That 2028 coach will be happy to have you all leave, not because your sons can't play, but because he needs to start backfilling the roster with holdbacks for the HS years. You heard it here first lol.
No dog in this fight but come on.... I watched this '28 91 team 2 years ago before new coach play FH rec team and lost by like 10 goals. Really bad talent, not much coaching, and very loud parents who were clueless. Did not look like a elite team as advertised. Just because you sign your kid up at 10 for a elite team doesn't make them elite. Of course new talent had to be brought in and new coaching in this place. Pretty shocking this much improvement this quickly. This is elite lacrosse all the teams bring in new kids. FCA just brought in all new attack. What di 91 do differently? Did the old players that had 2-22 record go to other elite teams or were they just not AAAA/elite level kids?
Yeah you're right about the observations.
Everybody poaches kids, yes obviously. Do they go coach them at school and then poach them 8-10 at a time from the rec council/club that hosts the school team and pays him? That takes a special guy lol. Aside from that, though, The current 2028 91 coaches (dad coaches, yes) are sufficiently talented, and the kids like them, and cratering Swarm's roster in 2021 and Kelly Post's roster in 2022 was enough to attract additional talent from former HoCo Pink, Predators, Forest Hill, etc. And despite the T91 mantra of "we don't cut last year's players," they did indeed cut most of the Swarm kids in 2022, or place them on the "Practice Team" aka see yourself out. The current team is vastly better. "Elite" compared to 2028 FCA, Hawks, NL, and ML? No. It'll be a tough spring. I think 91 won 4 games in AAA (fake AAAA) last year and if they stayed in AAA this year, they would beat everyone but Team MD, and ya know, anything can happen in a championship game. But I hear they are playing elite, so.
The old 91 2028 coach (2020-2021) was - not great - and I believe was fired. Very similar issues to the 2029 Crabs coaching drama 2 years ago. Both of those fired coaches had some level of coaching talent and some talented kids to work with, but something didn't work, in a dramatic way, in both cases. I think neither ever publicly explained what they were trying to do, that went so wrong. As a coach, I'd sure be interested to hear it.
The big thing you have to remember with elite teams is that prior to 9th grade, the roster is primarily a fundraiser for the HS age teams who don't contain a lot of "team lifers" Especially if the team lifers don't hold back as Millon and King Krab will "recommend." So don't get terribly attached!
Just found this forum. Any idea about which teams will be in which the divisions for the 2023 spring season?
Just found this forum. Any idea about which teams will be in which the divisions for the 2023 spring season?
leave! run! get out while you can! you don't want to be here! don't become one of us!
Just found this forum. Any idea about which teams will be in which the divisions for the 2023 spring season?
Hard to fully answer this question without knowing which teams have registered but here is what it should be down through AA. I am sure I missed a team or two and I am certain the typical 91 will be in Elite comment will follow regardless whether they should be or not.
Elite
Madlax Capital
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level
VLC
True Chesapeake
LTLC
FCA
BLC
AAA
Team 91
Team MD
HOCO
Predators
Kelly Post
Carroll Manor
Team Money
Baltimore Swarm
AA
Cannons
VLC
Madlax DMV
HLC
True Baltimore
Zingos
Hippos
Sidewinders
Draft divisions were sent out by HOCO yesterday................2029 Elite Division was as follows:
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
True Chesapeake
FCA
VLC
LTLC
Team 91
The big surprise was (BLC) Bethesda dropping out, but all the way down to AA.
Draft divisions were sent out by HOCO yesterday................2029 Elite Division was as follows:
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
True Chesapeake
FCA
VLC
LTLC
Team 91
The big surprise was (BLC) Bethesda dropping out, but all the way down to AA.
I’ll be the first to predict 0-7 for Team 91
Shock to see BLC drop all the way to AA
So what are the draft teams for the other Divisions?
AAA 2029
Hawks Black
Carroll Manor
HOCO
Team MD
Predators
Kelly Post Grey
Team Money
True Baltimore Black
AA 2029
Bethesda
Swarm
Cannons Select
HLC
Laytonsville
Madlax DMV
True Baltimore Green
True Virginia
VLC Poon
MDLL Select Sidewinders
Here was the draft layouts.........that we received from our club director
ELITE
Hawks, FCA, LTLC, Madlax, Next Level, 91, True Chesapeake, VLC
AAA
Hawks Black, Carroll Manor, HOCO, Kelly Post Grey, Predators, Team MD, Team $$, True Baltimore Black
AA
Swarm, Bethesda Blue, Cannons, HLC, Laytonsville Hippos, Madlax DMV, MDLL Diamondbacks, True Baltimore Green, VLC, True Virginia
A
ALC Bay Raiders, Bethesda Orange, Blue Claws, Green Hornets, Kelly Post Green, Sidewinders, Team Impact, Ville, Zingos
Draft divisions were sent out by HOCO yesterday................2029 Elite Division was as follows:
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
True Chesapeake
FCA
VLC
LTLC
Team 91
The big surprise was (BLC) Bethesda dropping out, but all the way down to AA.
I’ll be the first to predict 0-7 for Team 91
Shock to see BLC drop all the way to AA
So what are the draft teams for the other Divisions?
Draft divisions were sent out by HOCO yesterday................2029 Elite Division was as follows:
Madlax
Hawks
Next Level
True Chesapeake
FCA
VLC
LTLC
Team 91
The big surprise was (BLC) Bethesda dropping out, but all the way down to AA.
I’ll be the first to predict 0-7 for Team 91
Shock to see BLC drop all the way to AA
So what are the draft teams for the other Divisions?
Pretty sure BLC lost to a B level summer team this fall, which may have contributed to this decision
Here was the draft layouts.........that we received from our club director
ELITE
Hawks, FCA, LTLC, Madlax, Next Level, 91, True Chesapeake, VLC
AAA
Hawks Black, Carroll Manor, HOCO, Kelly Post Grey, Predators, Team MD, Team $$, True Baltimore Black
AA
Swarm, Bethesda Blue, Cannons, HLC, Laytonsville Hippos, Madlax DMV, MDLL Diamondbacks, True Baltimore Green, VLC, True Virginia
A
ALC Bay Raiders, Bethesda Orange, Blue Claws, Green Hornets, Kelly Post Green, Sidewinders, Team Impact, Ville, Zingos
Official Way-Too-Early 1st-2nd-Last Predictions
Elite - Madlax (1), Hawks (2), 91 (Last)
AAA - Team MD (1), Predators (2), True Baltimore (Last)
AA - BLC (1), VLC (2), Hippos (Last)
A - Ville (1), KP (2), Zingoes (Last)
Just was looking at the teams for Crabfeast this summer as my son's VLC team is playing in it.
Noticed that there is a CRABS 2029 team listed. Anyone know what that's about or what team the are putting together?
Just was looking at the teams for Crabfeast this summer as my son's VLC team is playing in it.
Noticed that there is a CRABS 2029 team listed. Anyone know what that's about or what team the are putting together?
They will probably just have their 28 team play as 29, that’s the way Elite Lacrosse works anyway isn’t it?
Just was looking at the teams for Crabfeast this summer as my son's VLC team is playing in it.
Noticed that there is a CRABS 2029 team listed. Anyone know what that's about or what team the are putting together?
I’m assuming the 28 team will play up.
Swarm has a good defense and a great goalie (if he is still there) could cause problems for everyone and will challenge for the top spot like they did last year.
I had heard King Krab was going to volun-tell VLC-29's that they are now Crab 29's.
I had heard King Krab was going to volun-tell VLC-29's that they are now Crab 29's.
I mean he bought the club, so yeah that'll happen.
How would that work? Seems like a comment without a lot of thought.
Just was looking at the teams for Crabfeast this summer as my son's VLC team is playing in it.
Noticed that there is a CRABS 2029 team listed. Anyone know what that's about or what team the are putting together?
They will probably just have their 28 team play as 29, that’s the way Elite Lacrosse works anyway isn’t it?
I'm pretty sure it is the LTLC 2029 team that is going to be playing as Crabs in Crabfeast. I've heard from a few people that Crabs is trying to get the team to come over and that the are playing in a few events this summer as Crabs 2029.
Has the ELITE 6's event fizzled out or is everyone resting for spring league? Heard there was only two - 2029's teams represented and that they combined 28 and 29 divisions.
Has the ELITE 6's event fizzled out or is everyone resting for spring league? Heard there was only two - 2029's teams represented and that they combined 28 and 29 divisions.
Probably rest was one factor but also conflicts with end of winter sports season made it difficult to pull a team together, at least that was the case with our team. The format is fun and kids enjoy it so I think it was more of the above versus people losing interest.
Just was looking at the teams for Crabfeast this summer as my son's VLC team is playing in it.
Noticed that there is a CRABS 2029 team listed. Anyone know what that's about or what team the are putting together?
They will probably just have their 28 team play as 29, that’s the way Elite Lacrosse works anyway isn’t it?
I'm pretty sure it is the LTLC 2029 team that is going to be playing as Crabs in Crabfeast. I've heard from a few people that Crabs is trying to get the team to come over and that the are playing in a few events this summer as Crabs 2029.
Had heard the same from a friend who's son plays for them as well, but they didn't know what the long term plan was going to be.
Isn't there a sizeable cost difference between LTLC and Crabs? I wonder how many families chose LTLC because of finances.
Here was the draft layouts.........that we received from our club director
ELITE
Hawks, FCA, LTLC, Madlax, Next Level, 91, True Chesapeake, VLC
AAA
Hawks Black, Carroll Manor, HOCO, Kelly Post Grey, Predators, Team MD, Team $$, True Baltimore Black
AA
Swarm, Bethesda Blue, Cannons, HLC, Laytonsville Hippos, Madlax DMV, MDLL Diamondbacks, True Baltimore Green, VLC, True Virginia
A
ALC Bay Raiders, Bethesda Orange, Blue Claws, Green Hornets, Kelly Post Green, Sidewinders, Team Impact, Ville, Zingos
Official Way-Too-Early 1st-2nd-Last Predictions
Elite - Madlax (1), Hawks (2), 91 (Last)
AAA - Team MD (1), Predators (2), True Baltimore (Last)
AA - BLC (1), VLC (2), Hippos (Last)
A - Ville (1), KP (2), Zingoes (Last)
Do you know the draft layouts for the 2028 teams?
Here was the draft layouts.........that we received from our club director
ELITE
Hawks, FCA, LTLC, Madlax, Next Level, 91, True Chesapeake, VLC
AAA
Hawks Black, Carroll Manor, HOCO, Kelly Post Grey, Predators, Team MD, Team $$, True Baltimore Black
AA
Swarm, Bethesda Blue, Cannons, HLC, Laytonsville Hippos, Madlax DMV, MDLL Diamondbacks, True Baltimore Green, VLC, True Virginia
A
ALC Bay Raiders, Bethesda Orange, Blue Claws, Green Hornets, Kelly Post Green, Sidewinders, Team Impact, Ville, Zingos
Official Way-Too-Early 1st-2nd-Last Predictions
Elite - Madlax (1), Hawks (2), 91 (Last)
AAA - Team MD (1), Predators (2), True Baltimore (Last)
AA - BLC (1), VLC (2), Hippos (Last)
A - Ville (1), KP (2), Zingoes (Last)
Do you know the draft layouts for the 2028 teams?
I saw these but don’t have all, your club director would have full list
2028
AAA
Hawks Black
Blue Claws
FCA White
Sidewinders
Team MD
Team $
VLC Talon
Wolfpack
AA
Cannons Select
HLC
HOCO
Next Level Red
Predators
ProStart Lacrosse
True Annapolis
Ville
Isn't there a sizeable cost difference between LTLC and Crabs? I wonder how many families chose LTLC because of finances.
This would make sense on LTLC migrating to Crabs. Lots of families join LTLC because it is 1/2 or 1/3 the cost of most club programs. They get free access to county fields and don't do as much as the higher level clubs as far as high end tournaments, etc. However, as kids head into middle school you start to see key players leave for the better clubs because they want more than what LTLC can offer. More training, year around commitment, positioning specific training, non-parent coaching, etc. Once they lose a few, it's hard to replenish because they aren't getting lots of new kids coming to tryouts every year.
Makes sense for CRABS because they can have an elite level 2029 team right away, and add in a few other 2029's and/or 2028 holdbacks to have a solid squad.
Has anyone see the official alignment for this season from Elite to A. If so can you post that information. Thanks
Has anyone see the official alignment for this season from Elite to A. If so can you post that information. Thanks
Won't be official until after next weekends tournaments.
OMG....there is a God!! Team FCA must have really been praying over this.
https://www.ghclacrosse.com/First two weeks of the schedule have been released..................THIS HAS NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPENED THIS EARLY!!! There is a God!!
Has anyone see the official alignment for this season from Elite to A. If so can you post that information. Thanks
Won't be official until after next weekends tournaments.
Doubtful since first two weeks have peen posted on website.
2029 Alignments for the 2023 season
Elite
• LTLC Legends
• Annapolis Hawks Green
• Next Level
• FCA
• VLC See
• Team 91
• True Chesapeake
• Madlax Capital
AAA
• Team Money
• Team Maryland
• Annapolis Hawks Black
• HoCo
• Carroll Manor
• Preds
• Kelly Post Grey
• True Baltimore Black
AA
• Swarm
• True Baltimore Green
• Cannons
• BLC Blue
• MDLL Select Diamondbacks
• Madlax DMV
• VLC Poon
• True Virginia
A
• Sidewinders
• ALB Bay Raiders
• HLC
• Team Impact
• Zingos
• Ville
• Kelly Post Green
• BLC Orange
• Hippos
• Blue Claws
Does anyone have any early predictions?
2029 Alignments for the 2023 season
Elite
• LTLC Legends
• Annapolis Hawks Green
• Next Level
• FCA
• VLC See
• Team 91
• True Chesapeake
• Madlax Capital
AAA
• Team Money
• Team Maryland
• Annapolis Hawks Black
• HoCo
• Carroll Manor
• Preds
• Kelly Post Grey
• True Baltimore Black
AA
• Swarm
• True Baltimore Green
• Cannons
• BLC Blue
• MDLL Select Diamondbacks
• Madlax DMV
• VLC Poon
• True Virginia
A
• Sidewinders
• ALB Bay Raiders
• HLC
• Team Impact
• Zingos
• Ville
• Kelly Post Green
• BLC Orange
• Hippos
• Blue Claws
Does anyone have any early predictions?
Elite
Top Teams (Madlax, Hawks)
Team on the Rise (FCA)
Bottom Team (Team 91)
AAA
Top Teams (Team Maryland, Predators)
Team on the Rise (True Baltimore)
Bottom Team (Carroll Manor)
AA
Top Teams (BLC Blue, Swarm)
Team on the Rise (True Virginia)
Bottom Team (VLC Poon)
A
Top Teams (Kelly Post Green, Hippos)
Team on the Rise (????)
Bottom Team (Zingos)
Eilte looks like it will be Hawks, Next Level, and Madlax chasing the title, with FCA being the 4th team in the playoff. In AAA I think Preds will be the champs with Hawks (Black) Team Maryland and True Baltimore in the playoffs. In AA, BLC is the odds-on favorite to be the champion of the league, with Swarm chasing them all year. Cannons and Madlax DMV finishing out the playoff teams. A looks to be wide open but Hippos and HLC seem to be the top teams, with Kelly Post and either ALC or Blue Claws fighting for the final playoff spots
Full HOCO schedule now poster............
Looking at scores from this weekend.................
Bethesda with 3 losses (15-2 FCA, 7-6 Team 91 MD, and Leading Edge 10-6)
Next level with 3 wins (6-2 over True Chesapeake, 5-4 over Leading Edge, and 6-5 over FCA)
True Chesapeake (1-2), FCA (2-1), Team 91 MD (1-2)
Anyone see any of those games? Look like Bethesda has indeed dropped as most suspected. Team 91 MD only beats them by 1? Going to be a long year for Team 91 MD in the Elite division. Heard FCA and Next Level both dominated True Chesapeake.
And then we got Hawks ready to beat everyone again (maybe even Madlax)....as they beat Nationals and NXT.
Any insight on these?
Bethesda has definitely dropped. True Chesapeake was missing Mikey Marek but the gap between them and FCA/NL seemed pretty sizeable. Next Level was playing without Q. FCA was missing several players. Going to be an interesting spring...
Baltimore bloom this wknd with ML Hawks LTLC VLC
All playing each other
Leave the children names off here, they are innocent and defenseless on here. Man or woman up and put your name on here as well!
Leave the children names off here, they are innocent and defenseless on here. Man or woman up and put your name on here as well!
Yeah but then how will they self promote their children and friends children?
Leave the children names off here, they are innocent and defenseless on here. Man or woman up and put your name on here as well!
Yeah but then how will they self promote their children and friends children?
Leave the children names off here, they are innocent and defenseless on here. Man or woman up and put your name on here as well!
Yeah but then how will they self promote their children and friends children?
Mock the parents and leave the kids alone. These parents are bonkers, writing social media posts in the 1st person on their "kid's" account, like, "I love my family" and "working hard on quadrilateral stretches today, it's the dynamic ones that count!" Some of the kids have influencer deals because their parents reached out to lax brands. The poor kids have no say in it.
Baltimore bloom this wknd with ML Hawks LTLC VLC
All playing each other
Is there a schedule posted somewhere?
Leave the children names off here, they are innocent and defenseless on here. Man or woman up and put your name on here as well!
Yeah but then how will they self promote their children and friends children?
Mock the parents and leave the kids alone. These parents are bonkers, writing social media posts in the 1st person on their "kid's" account, like, "I love my family" and "working hard on quadrilateral stretches today, it's the dynamic ones that count!" Some of the kids have influencer deals because their parents reached out to lax brands. The poor kids have no say in it.
The sad part is, the kids get made fun of by their peers, and the parents get talked about relentlessly because of the posts made in first person. Parents are not fooling anyone when they take to their child's Instagram, post videos and workout rituals, and use big words no 6th, 7th, 8th and even 9th grader would use. You should be embarrassed, dad and mom. Start your own instagram page highlighting your kid if you're that needy. Stop pretending to be your kid on your kid's page.
Where do the Crabs put the schedule for this tourney ?
Leagueapps
It’s terrible. Still no schedule
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Any predictions for week 1 of the HoCo league? All levels welcome Elite to Single A
Anyone see any games today?
Heard Madlax stomped on LTLC, but then VLC ended up beating Madlax in a close one.
Anyone see any games today?
Heard Madlax stomped on LTLC, but then VLC ended up beating Madlax in a close one.
Any predictions for week 1 of the HoCo league? All levels welcome Elite to Single A
Next Level over FCA (10-6)
Hawks over LTLC (13-5)
VLC over Team 91 (16-2)
Yeah thats what I saw. I was watching while my team kids teams was getting ready to play. Second half was won by LTLC 5-1. Also, I've read about the madlax parents on the sidelines. Saw it first hand.
Any predictions for week 1 of the HoCo league? All levels welcome Elite to Single A
Next Level over FCA (10-6)
Hawks over LTLC (13-5)
VLC over Team 91 (16-2)
Single A Division
HLC over Impact 8-7
Sidewinders over ALC 10-6
Kelly Post over BLC 9-7
Laytonsville over Blue Claws 14-5
Ville over Zingos 10-4
Wonderful to watch VLC finish off the upset, only thing better would've been Hawks holding on and sending the "#1 team in country" home with a losing record to start the spring
So is VLC legit or what? Plenty of time between their hawks game that appeared to be intense. But, not sure fatigue on a team that deep is the issue. Inquiring minds want to know…
Not sure. Their Fall performance wasn't all that impressive. Beat True Chesapeake 6-4 (True just got pummeled by NL and FCA). Tied FCA. Lost to Orange Crush....
Beat NJ express between Hawks and ML. Pretty much dominated all day.
LTLC 6, FCA 5. (MYLA regular season Game 1).
Team MD loses to Team $ that is a bit of a shocker
That score is incorrect. MD creamed them something like 13-4? Money looked like they only had 15 or so kids.
Hawks put away LTLC 13-3
NL SQUEEKS out a win against FCA which was surprising
VLC 13-5.
What else happened today? Anything fool?
Score is wrong Team MD won 13-4
What was the score of the madlax game? Watched some of the FCA game. They have a few strong players. Tough two loses in a row to LTLC and VLC.
Hawks put away LTLC 13-3
NL SQUEEKS out a win against FCA which was surprising
VLC 13-5.
What else happened today? Anything fool?
In the Lower Divisions BLC won big as expected as did Swarm and lots of close games in A
Madlax and True Chesapeake had a bye. FCA lost to LTLC and NL this weekend. VLC pounded 91 as expected.
Any Predictions for this upcoming weekend in all levels of the HOCO league
I wonder if any games will be cancelled on Saturday.
Any Predictions for this upcoming weekend in all levels of the HOCO league
LTLC vs FCA (FCA 8-7)
True Chesapeaek vs Team 91 (True 13-5)
VLC vs Hawks (Hawks 9-6)
Madlax vs Next Level (Madlax 10-4)
HOCO vs Hawks Black (HOCO 6-4)
Team $$ vs Kelly Post Grey (Kelly Post 9-3)
Predators vs Carrol Manor (Predators 9-4)
True Baltimore Black vs Team MD (***UPSET PICK** True 7-6)
Any Predictions for this upcoming weekend in all levels of the HOCO league
LTLC vs FCA (FCA 8-7)
True Chesapeaek vs Team 91 (True 13-5)
VLC vs Hawks (Hawks 9-6)
Madlax vs Next Level (Madlax 10-4)
HOCO vs Hawks Black (HOCO 6-4)
Team $$ vs Kelly Post Grey (Kelly Post 9-3)
Predators vs Carrol Manor (Predators 9-4)
True Baltimore Black vs Team MD (***UPSET PICK** True 7-6)
Lower Divisions
BLC vs Cannons (BLC 12-5)
Swarm vs True VA (Swarm 13-3)
True Baltimore vs VLC (VLC 9-6)
Madlax vs MDLL (Madlax 10-3)
Kelly Post vs HLC (HLC 10-2)
BLC Orange vs Hippos (Hippos 15-4)
Impact vs Ville (Impact 12-5)
Sidewinders vs Zingos (Sidewinders 9-6)
ALC vs Blue Claws (ALC 7-3)
Any Predictions for this upcoming weekend in all levels of the HOCO league
LTLC vs FCA (FCA 8-7)
True Chesapeaek vs Team 91 (True 13-5)
VLC vs Hawks (Hawks 9-6)
Madlax vs Next Level (Madlax 10-4)
HOCO vs Hawks Black (HOCO 6-4)
Team $$ vs Kelly Post Grey (Kelly Post 9-3)
Predators vs Carrol Manor (Predators 9-4)
True Baltimore Black vs Team MD (***UPSET PICK** True 7-6)
Lower Divisions
BLC vs Cannons (BLC 12-5)
Swarm vs True VA (Swarm 13-3)
True Baltimore vs VLC (VLC 9-6)
Madlax vs MDLL (Madlax 10-3)
Kelly Post vs HLC (HLC 10-2)
BLC Orange vs Hippos (Hippos 15-4)
Impact vs Ville (Impact 12-5)
Sidewinders vs Zingos (Sidewinders 9-6)
ALC vs Blue Claws (ALC 7-3)
Solid picks all the way around.
Some "domination" games in the 2029 Elite division today (Hawks, FCA, and True Chesapeake). Showed up to watch the Hawks vs. VLC game, but got to see all 8 teams in some capacity as they were going around the same time.
Hawks vs. VLC: Was curious if the VLC victory over Madlax was legit or not, and how they would respond to playing a Hawks team at full strength and clicking. Complete domination in every facet of the game winning 13-0. Hawks offense is so disciplined and structured and their defense....WOW....held VLC tops 2 attackman to zero!!
FCA vs. LTLC: There game was before, but was surprised to see FCA up 9-0 in the 4th quarter. LTLC scored a couple junk goals in the last few seconds, but overall they looked really frustrated on offense and couldn't do much against FCA. FCA looks much improved when they are clicking.
Madlax vs. NL: Two really good teams, didn't get to watch a ton, but score was relatively close until Madlax put it away in the 4th quarter. Madlax is like a robot on offense, which is good or bad. Next Level is definitely a top team. Great battle from what I saw.
True Chesapeake vs. 91 MD: Going to be a long long year for Team 91 in the 2029 division unfortunately. They have talent, but lost so much last year, and are having to redevelop the culture of the team. True Chesapeake looked good and ready to compete for the playoffs. They have a lethal attack group, but will be interested to see how they compete against Hawks, Madlax, and NL.
Not an ML dad, but have faced them many times. If ML could figure out their goalie situation they'd be pretty unbeatable. It's the weakest link on the team. All other aspects of their squad is solid to quite solid. fwiw
Not an ML dad, but have faced them many times. If ML could figure out their goalie situation they'd be pretty unbeatable. It's the weakest link on the team. All other aspects of their squad is solid to quite solid. fwiw
Don’t single out kids. That’s obnoxious.
What an awful human you are. Most kids this age have phones these days. Even if you he chances are slim, your still awful to put that out there.
Definitely ML dad….hahaha. Such a Madlax dad thing to do.
Definitely ML dad….hahaha. Such a Madlax dad thing to do.
Likely that big oaf who struts around in Lulu shorts yelling at his d pole
Well thanks crappy ML comment. And to think this is only adults. I have heard many kids ask me if I had seen this bulletin board. Classy way to keep it classy. Just watch some of the videos out there of the ML games and listen to the parent. Enough said.
Oh it’s definitely him, he’d sell every one of his shorts for a win. That’s why he has to wear his kids shorts. Get that man a gift card so he can afford some adult sizes!
Some "domination" games in the 2029 Elite division today (Hawks, FCA, and True Chesapeake). Showed up to watch the Hawks vs. VLC game, but got to see all 8 teams in some capacity as they were going around the same time.
Hawks vs. VLC: Was curious if the VLC victory over Madlax was legit or not, and how they would respond to playing a Hawks team at full strength and clicking. Complete domination in every facet of the game winning 13-0. Hawks offense is so disciplined and structured and their defense....WOW....held VLC tops 2 attackman to zero!!
FCA vs. LTLC: There game was before, but was surprised to see FCA up 9-0 in the 4th quarter. LTLC scored a couple junk goals in the last few seconds, but overall they looked really frustrated on offense and couldn't do much against FCA. FCA looks much improved when they are clicking.
Madlax vs. NL: Two really good teams, didn't get to watch a ton, but score was relatively close until Madlax put it away in the 4th quarter. Madlax is like a robot on offense, which is good or bad. Next Level is definitely a top team. Great battle from what I saw.
True Chesapeake vs. 91 MD: Going to be a long long year for Team 91 in the 2029 division unfortunately. They have talent, but lost so much last year, and are having to redevelop the culture of the team. True Chesapeake looked good and ready to compete for the playoffs. They have a lethal attack group, but will be interested to see how they compete against Hawks, Madlax, and NL.
Heard True has gone the way of the other "traditional" elites and started flying in kids for HoCo games.
I’ve not heard about the 2029 team bringing kids in yet. But 2028 definitely did last week. 5 kids from Illinois. They were beating crabs 4-3 when the lightening ended that game. Classic true.
I’ve not heard about the 2029 team bringing kids in yet. But 2028 definitely did last week. 5 kids from Illinois. They were beating crabs 4-3 when the lightening ended that game. Classic true.
I’ve not heard about the 2029 team bringing kids in yet. But 2028 definitely did last week. 5 kids from Illinois. They were beating crabs 4-3 when the lightening ended that game. Classic true.
Wait until summer!xB
What are the early surprises from the season so far?
If you think your little Johnny will keep his spot at a competitive program while winning 1/3 of his face offs, blowing slides, not passing to open teammates, etc then you’re in for a rude awakening. Top programs are always recruiting. It’s much easier to recruit than develop.
If you think your little Johnny will keep his spot at a competitive program while winning 1/3 of his face offs, blowing slides, not passing to open teammates, etc then you’re in for a rude awakening. Top programs are always recruiting. It’s much easier to recruit than develop.
Not being the parent of an elite level player I have a few questions
1. What percentage of elite level players make it to D1 programs?
2. What percentage of elite players switch teams to a perceived better team when they are not getting playing time.
3. What percentage of elite level players quit lacrosse because they either burn out or feel that they are not good enough to play at such a high level and are not willing to drop down and play at an AAA or AA level.
If you think your little Johnny will keep his spot at a competitive program while winning 1/3 of his face offs, blowing slides, not passing to open teammates, etc then you’re in for a rude awakening. Top programs are always recruiting. It’s much easier to recruit than develop.
Not being the parent of an elite level player I have a few questions
1. What percentage of elite level players make it to D1 programs?
2. What percentage of elite players switch teams to a perceived better team when they are not getting playing time.
3. What percentage of elite level players quit lacrosse because they either burn out or feel that they are not good enough to play at such a high level and are not willing to drop down and play at an AAA or AA level.
What are the early surprises from the season so far?
1. Not surprised to see HAWKS at the top, but they looked incredible against VLC this past weekend. They are going to be tough to beat even for Madlax.
2. Predators and True Baltimore look beyond "just competitive" in the AAA division. Most people thought Team Maryland would run away with the division. I could see both bumping up to Elite next year.
3. LTLC and Team 91 MD look like the bottom of the barrel once again in the elite division. No one is surprised to see Team 91 so low, but I think many thought LTLC had added some new pieces that could take them to top 4. Obviously not gonna happen.......maybe next year when they migrate over to Crabs 2029. MM.....is panicking as his younger teams are not competitive.
4. FCA looked stronger then I thought. Caught their win over LTLC last week (up 9-0 at one point) and heard that they made some mental errors vs. Next Level in the last minute to cost them that game after leading 5-4. Top 4 and playoffs are definitely in reach, but don't think they can hang with the Hawks or Madlax.
5. Next Level also seems to be stronger than last year and closer to competing with Madlax and Hawks. They are playing without one of their better players currently.
Nothing away from the hawks here but it looked like VLC was short handed. Not saying it changes the outcome, but not sure 13-0 reflects the reality of the matchup. But the hawks do look good
What are the early surprises from the season so far?
1. Not surprised to see HAWKS at the top, but they looked incredible against VLC this past weekend. They are going to be tough to beat even for Madlax.
2. Predators and True Baltimore look beyond "just competitive" in the AAA division. Most people thought Team Maryland would run away with the division. I could see both bumping up to Elite next year.
3. LTLC and Team 91 MD look like the bottom of the barrel once again in the elite division. No one is surprised to see Team 91 so low, but I think many thought LTLC had added some new pieces that could take them to top 4. Obviously not gonna happen.......maybe next year when they migrate over to Crabs 2029. MM.....is panicking as his younger teams are not competitive.
4. FCA looked stronger then I thought. Caught their win over LTLC last week (up 9-0 at one point) and heard that they made some mental errors vs. Next Level in the last minute to cost them that game after leading 5-4. Top 4 and playoffs are definitely in reach, but don't think they can hang with the Hawks or Madlax.
5. Next Level also seems to be stronger than last year and closer to competing with Madlax and Hawks. They are playing without one of their better players currently.
In the Lower Divisions
1. BLC is head and shoulders above much if not all of the competition and True Baltimore Green seems to be mirroring its big Brother in the AAA division.
2. The AA division aside from BLC and possibly True Baltimore is going to be a shootout for playoff spots and seeding.
3. It is going to be a long season for Cannons, would it have served them better to drop down to A division
4. Laytonsville Hippos and HLC seem to be the best the A division has to offer, both of those teams dropped from AA last season. The game on Mothers Day could determine the number one seed going into the playoffs.
Oh it’s definitely him, he’d sell every one of his shorts for a win. That’s why he has to wear his kids shorts. Get that man a gift card so he can afford some adult sizes!
What is it about toxic parents/coaches destroying Madlax teams? It has happened on 2024, 2027 and 2026, and seems about to happen on 2028 and 2029. How awful to dump on your son's goalie. If your son could do better let's see it!
Any predictions for this weekends games???
Oh it’s definitely him, he’d sell every one of his shorts for a win. That’s why he has to wear his kids shorts. Get that man a gift card so he can afford some adult sizes!
What is it about toxic parents/coaches destroying Madlax teams? It has happened on 2024, 2027 and 2026, and seems about to happen on 2028 and 2029. How awful to dump on your son's goalie. If your son could do better let's see it!
It’s from the top. Cabell Maddux is simply a hammerhead. By the time kids hit puberty, they no longer want to play for that maniac.
I’ve not heard about the 2029 team bringing kids in yet. But 2028 definitely did last week. 5 kids from Illinois. They were beating crabs 4-3 when the lightening ended that game. Classic true.
2029 definitely flying in at least 7 kids from out of state and rostered on their "National" team
I’ve not heard about the 2029 team bringing kids in yet. But 2028 definitely did last week. 5 kids from Illinois. They were beating crabs 4-3 when the lightening ended that game. Classic true.
2029 definitely flying in at least 7 kids from out of state and rostered on their "National" team
Bring it on. This is the elite division we’re talking about. I prefer my son play on age kids but don’t care where they’re from. If you want to skirt talent then play down a division.
I’ve not heard about the 2029 team bringing kids in yet. But 2028 definitely did last week. 5 kids from Illinois. They were beating crabs 4-3 when the lightening ended that game. Classic true.
2029 definitely flying in at least 7 kids from out of state and rostered on their "National" team
Bring it on. This is the elite division we’re talking about. I prefer my son play on age kids but don’t care where they’re from. If you want to skirt talent then play down a division.
10000% Truth.
Any predictions for this weekends games???
Elite
FCA vs True Chesapeake (FCA 8 True 7) Upset Special
Madlax Capital vs VLC (Madlax 9 VLC 7)
Hawks Green vs Next Level (Hawks 12 NL 6)
LTLC vs Team 91 (LTLC 9 Team 91 4)
AAA
Team $ vs Carroll Manor (Carroll Manor 7 Team $ 5)
True Balt Black vs Kelly Post Grey (True 10 KP 8)
Team MD vs HoCo (HoCo 12 Team MD 11) Upset Special
Preds vs Hawks Black (Preds 14 Hawks 12) Game of the week
AA
True VA vs Madlax DMV (True VA 10 Madlax 6)
MDLL vs Swarm (Swarm 12 MDLL 3)
VLC Poon vs BLC Blue (BLC Blue 12 VLC 5)
True Baltimore Green vs Cannons (True 7 Cannons 6)
A
Team Impact vs Zingos (Impact 8 Zingos 7)
Kelly Post vs ALC (ALC 10 Kelly Post 4)
HLC Vs Sidewinders (HLC 10 Sidewinders 6)
Hippos vs Ville (Ville 9 Hippos 8) Upset Special and Game of the week
Blue Claws vs BLC Orange (Blue Claws 4 BLC 3)
Did I get any wrong...please let me know
Only can comment on elite teams
FCA/True right on this one, will be anyone's game
ML/VLC ML probably had an off game a few weeks ago, it happens. ML looking for redemption, game will not be close 14-5
Hawks/NL Hawks will win but score will be lower, I am guessing an 8-3 victory. Hawks goalie will dominate the game as usual
LTLC/Team 91 right on this one
How is FCA beating True Chesapeake an upset special? They beat them like 7-2 earlier this year.
How is FCA beating True Chesapeake an upset special? They beat them like 7-2 earlier this year.
True will beat FCA this time around.
1. They were missing their top 2 players earlier
2. Have added 5-7 kids from True National teams that are flying in every weekend
Completely different squad I saw first week then previously
How is FCA beating True Chesapeake an upset special? They beat them like 7-2 earlier this year.
True will beat FCA this time around.
1. They were missing their top 2 players earlier
2. Have added 5-7 kids from True National teams that are flying in every weekend
Completely different squad I saw first week then previously
It's a '28 Chesapeake family subsidizing the '28 guest players. Think you're confusing '29 with '28.
How is FCA beating True Chesapeake an upset special? They beat them like 7-2 earlier this year.
True will beat FCA this time around.
1. They were missing their top 2 players earlier
2. Have added 5-7 kids from True National teams that are flying in every weekend
Completely different squad I saw first week then previously
It's a '28 Chesapeake family subsidizing the '28 guest players. Think you're confusing '29 with '28.
Correct…at 29 FCA is the team that miraculously got much better.
How is FCA beating True Chesapeake an upset special? They beat them like 7-2 earlier this year.
True will beat FCA this time around.
1. They were missing their top 2 players earlier
2. Have added 5-7 kids from True National teams that are flying in every weekend
Completely different squad I saw first week then previously
It's a '28 Chesapeake family subsidizing the '28 guest players. Think you're confusing '29 with '28.
Correct…at 29 FCA is the team that miraculously got much better.
“Miraculously”. Translation: they got themselves some hold backs.
How is FCA beating True Chesapeake an upset special? They beat them like 7-2 earlier this year.
True will beat FCA this time around.
1. They were missing their top 2 players earlier
2. Have added 5-7 kids from True National teams that are flying in every weekend
Completely different squad I saw first week then previously
It's a '28 Chesapeake family subsidizing the '28 guest players. Think you're confusing '29 with '28.
Correct…at 29 FCA is the team that miraculously got much better.
“Miraculously”. Translation: they got themselves some hold backs.
I can second that....congrats holdback mom and dads....we see you.....we know you
Trickle down effect. 28’s got some 27’s and therefore pushing others to make the same move. Feels like it makes sense to have FCA back in elite though… can’t wait to see next years crabs 2029 team. The Chrystal ball says they will all be 6ft and have facial hair and immediately be ranked in the top five in the country. fool how that works.
Yeah the trickle down effect causes for an interesting effect on the sport. FCA 2029 has a double holdback that was a previously a 27. I guess it's the price of winning and making money for clubs. Not saying it's wrong or right it's a business.
It doesn't really matter...just another opportunity for the on-age kids to be challenged a bit more. None of the holdbacks or double holdbacks this year move the needle. I imagine they wouldn't be holdbacks if they were good enough to play on age. Thanks for helping all the super talented on age kids improve against size disparity. Hope your holdbacks pick up some more skill playing with our on-age boys.
FCA is beginning to become the new hold-back club. If you can't hang with the on-age boys just repeat a grade. What a great life lesson you are teaching your son.
Trickle down effect. 28’s got some 27’s and therefore pushing others to make the same move. Feels like it makes sense to have FCA back in elite though… can’t wait to see next years crabs 2029 team. The Chrystal ball says they will all be 6ft and have facial hair and immediately be ranked in the top five in the country. fool how that works.
Crabs 2029 will be transfers coming over from LTLC 2029 (playing as crabs this summer)....the will need some help with holdbacks to get better and compete.
How is FCA beating True Chesapeake an upset special? They beat them like 7-2 earlier this year.
True will beat FCA this time around.
1. They were missing their top 2 players earlier
2. Have added 5-7 kids from True National teams that are flying in every weekend
Completely different squad I saw first week then previously
It's a '28 Chesapeake family subsidizing the '28 guest players. Think you're confusing '29 with '28.
Correct…at 29 FCA is the team that miraculously got much better.
Did FCA miraculously get better? Looking at scores they dominated the competition at AAA and seemed to work there way up the ladder from AA, AAA, Elite over a three year period. They probably could have played Elite last year, not that they would have been the best, but would have at least been better than Team 91 MD.
This forum is starting to get like twitter and politics........filled with false information.
1. LTLC 2029 is not moving over to CRABS 2029
2. FCA does not have any double hold backs on their 2029 team
3. TRUE 2029 is not flying in players from National Teams / Illinois. Maybe they are for 2028, but not for 2029.
4. The HAWKS 2029 coach is not going to complain about Next Levels FOGO not having matching team gloves this weekend. (LOL).
Trickle down effect. 28’s got some 27’s and therefore pushing others to make the same move. Feels like it makes sense to have FCA back in elite though… can’t wait to see next years crabs 2029 team. The Chrystal ball says they will all be 6ft and have facial hair and immediately be ranked in the top five in the country. fool how that works.
Crabs 2029 will be transfers coming over from LTLC 2029 (playing as crabs this summer)....the will need some help with holdbacks to get better and compete.
I hope the LTLC 29 parents that go are honest with their selves about their son’s ability before they go. I predict those boys are stepping stones for next year and gone the following year. We all know what the future holds and these boys will be looking for a 3rd,4th or 5th team. “Fool me once, …….” You know the rest
I know this will be a stretch, but let’s be the first thread to not complain about holdbacks. It’s old, tiresome and legal. Go play baseball or tennis if you’re worried about injuries or fairness.
Signed,
Under age dad!
Legal yes, using your child to put yourself on a podium to show everyone how great you are? Enough said.
“Fool me once, …….” You know the rest
No…what’s the rest?
This forum is starting to get like twitter and politics........filled with false information.
1. LTLC 2029 is not moving over to CRABS 2029
2. FCA does not have any double hold backs on their 2029 team
3. TRUE 2029 is not flying in players from National Teams / Illinois. Maybe they are for 2028, but not for 2029.
4. The HAWKS 2029 coach is not going to complain about Next Levels FOGO not having matching team gloves this weekend. (LOL).
It is a FACT that True Chesapeake 2029 is flying in 7 players from their National team. But thanks for your input.
“Fool me once, …….” You know the rest
No…what’s the rest?
Go become a Crab and find out, again. Unfortunately there are customers like you, exactly what they need.
And it’s a fact that that’s an fca 2027 player said the 2029 used to be on his team.
Did NL really beat the Hawks today? Any details from those who were there?
This forum is starting to get like twitter and politics........filled with false information.
1. LTLC 2029 is not moving over to CRABS 2029
2. FCA does not have any double hold backs on their 2029 team
3. TRUE 2029 is not flying in players from National Teams / Illinois. Maybe they are for 2028, but not for 2029.
4. The HAWKS 2029 coach is not going to complain about Next Levels FOGO not having matching team gloves this weekend. (LOL).
It is a FACT that True Chesapeake 2029 is flying in 7 players from their National team. But thanks for your input.
Is your kid on True and losing playing time? If so, bring it up to your coach. Otherwise, no one cares.
Saw some of the scores/games today. Saw FCA lost to True. FCA seems like a talented team however can be inconsistent at times. Hawks lost enough said about that. They are very talented and will recoup after that loss. They are very disciplined. Good Luck to Madlax next week.See their first loss coming. Ltlc had a close one with Team 91. LTLC has to work on firing on all cylinders defense is solid, but more production needs to come from goal scoring/offense. GF/GA is off. I see them bounce in the right direction as the season continues. Team 91 has many issues. Might not be in the right division. Next Level will show who they really are next week against True Chesapeake. Not saying that they are not good, but will prove that the hawks win was not a fluke. Madlax continues their dominance. VLC seems to be struggling (missed seeing them). Just some thoughts from the weekend.
Only can comment on elite teams
FCA/True right on this one, will be anyone's game
ML/VLC ML probably had an off game a few weeks ago, it happens. ML looking for redemption, game will not be close 14-5
Hawks/NL Hawks will win but score will be lower, I am guessing an 8-3 victory. Hawks goalie will dominate the game as usual
LTLC/Team 91 right on this one
You were 3 for 4 this week….
True looked pretty strong over FCA. Will likely be the 4th seed at the end of the season
ML put on an absolute clinic on poor VLC. Clash of the Titans next week
Big upset with Nl over Hawks. Hawks had the lead and couldn’t put it away Very odd for the disciplined squad
Saw some of the scores/games today. Saw FCA lost to True. FCA seems like a talented team however can be inconsistent at times. Hawks lost enough said about that. They are very talented and will recoup after that loss. They are very disciplined. Good Luck to Madlax next week.See their first loss coming. Ltlc had a close one with Team 91. LTLC has to work on firing on all cylinders defense is solid, but more production needs to come from goal scoring/offense. GF/GA is off. I see them bounce in the right direction as the season continues. Team 91 has many issues. Might not be in the right division. Next Level will show who they really are next week against True Chesapeake. Not saying that they are not good, but will prove that the hawks win was not a fluke. Madlax continues their dominance. VLC seems to be struggling (missed seeing them). Just some thoughts from the weekend.
Signed Hawks Dad
This forum is starting to get like twitter and politics........filled with false information.
1. LTLC 2029 is not moving over to CRABS 2029
2. FCA does not have any double hold backs on their 2029 team
3. TRUE 2029 is not flying in players from National Teams / Illinois. Maybe they are for 2028, but not for 2029.
4. The HAWKS 2029 coach is not going to complain about Next Levels FOGO not having matching team gloves this weekend. (LOL).
It is a FACT that True Chesapeake 2029 is flying in 7 players from their National team. But thanks for your input.
Is your kid on True and losing playing time? If so, bring it up to your coach. Otherwise, no one cares.
Clearly you care.
Saw some of the scores/games today. Saw FCA lost to True. FCA seems like a talented team however can be inconsistent at times. Hawks lost enough said about that. They are very talented and will recoup after that loss. They are very disciplined. Good Luck to Madlax next week.See their first loss coming. Ltlc had a close one with Team 91. LTLC has to work on firing on all cylinders defense is solid, but more production needs to come from goal scoring/offense. GF/GA is off. I see them bounce in the right direction as the season continues. Team 91 has many issues. Might not be in the right division. Next Level will show who they really are next week against True Chesapeake. Not saying that they are not good, but will prove that the hawks win was not a fluke. Madlax continues their dominance. VLC seems to be struggling (missed seeing them). Just some thoughts from the weekend.
Help me out. In the same post yku claim Madlax will lose this week, and they continue their dominance. Which is it?
Madlax 11, Hawks 6. Not a dad from either.
Flying in kids for a game lol. DMV AKA “Holdback Nation” is worried about flying in kids but no concern that their 13 yr olds play 11 yr olds in every tournament.
No not a parent from either. Different post. I just have seen how hawks is very methodical and disciplined from week to week. Hawks v. Madlax will be a great game just think the hawks will come out strong after a loss. Maybe I'm wrong. I really have no interest in either. Just a discussion post. My final prediction will be Hawks 9 Madlax 8.
No not a parent from either. Different post. I just have seen how hawks is very methodical and disciplined from week to week. Hawks v. Madlax will be a great game just think the hawks will come out strong after a loss. Maybe I'm wrong. I really have no interest in either. Just a discussion post. My final prediction will be Hawks 9 Madlax 8.
This becomes the game of the year in HoCo Lax League. It will be very interesting to see how Hawks rebound after the loss. Most of the players on these teams will be headed to prep school as high schoolers so does this becomes the preview of St Mary's vs Landon?
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon in a spiral… due to coaching, but more so due to the woke lean of the admin. They somehow think parents send their boys there for $50/year to digest that [Censored]? They can get it for free in public schools.
They’ll get the kids who can’t get into Prep, St Albans, and Gonzaga, but they'll be splitting the others with St John’s.
No not a parent from either. Different post. I just have seen how hawks is very methodical and disciplined from week to week. Hawks v. Madlax will be a great game just think the hawks will come out strong after a loss. Maybe I'm wrong. I really have no interest in either. Just a discussion post. My final prediction will be Hawks 9 Madlax 8.
Hawks haven’t been able to put up more than 2-4 goals on ML in the last few meetings. Now they will put up 9?
Don’t see that happening
If you think your little Johnny will keep his spot at a competitive program while winning 1/3 of his face offs, blowing slides, not passing to open teammates, etc then you’re in for a rude awakening. Top programs are always recruiting. It’s much easier to recruit than develop.
100% hurt and 100% why parents have to reach for the ointment when they realize the "we develop elite players" sales pitch was just that.....as soon as some Sasquatch from Long Island shows up who can beat your kid who's "been on the team for years!"
Going to be a long long year for Team 91 in the 2029 division unfortunately. They have talent, but lost so much last year, and are having to redevelop the culture of the team. True Chesapeake looked good and ready to compete for the playoffs. They have a lethal attack group, but will be interested to see how they compete against Hawks, Madlax, and NL.
With 91 going, what, 0-7 in AAA last year, and then losing players to Predators for the 2nd year in a row, you have to know that THEY KNOW they're not winning games or even trying to win games.
The point isn't even to win HoCo elite in FUTURE years.....the point of them playing elite is to recruit elite players (and consistently improve the roster year-to-year that will culminate in HS age dominance (which is where 91 MD is successful).
Weekly Prediction time
Elite
VLC vs LTLC (LTLC 8 VLC 7) After 2 blowout losses can VLC Rebound and can LTLC continue to improve
Madlax Cap vs Hawks (Madlax 7 Hawks 6) Game of the year...can Hawks bounce back after last week?
Team 91 vs FCA (FCA 12 Team 91 5) Does 91 have a chance to win at all this year?
True Chesapeake vs Next Level (NL 10 True 6) Can NL Avoid a letdown after last week's big win?
AAA
Preds vs True Baltimore Black (Preds 10 True 6) Game of the year in AAA
HoCo vs Team $ (Hoco 12 Team $ 7)
Carroll Manor vs Kelly Post Gray (KP 13 Carroll Manor 9)
Hawks (Black) vs Team MD (Hawks 8 Team MD 7)
AA
Cannons vs VLC (VLC 9 Cannons 5)
Swarm vs True Baltimore (Green) (Swarm 6 True 5)
MDLL vs True VA (True VA 13 MDLL 5)
Bethesda (Blue) vs Madlax DMV (BLC 16 Madlax 7)
A
Zingos vs KP (Green) (Zingos 16 KP 3)
Ville vs Sidewinders (Ville 12 Sidewinders 4)
BLC (Orange) vs ALC (ALC 15 BLC 0)
Blue Claws vs HLC (HLC 10 Claws 5)
Hippos vs Impact (Hippos 9 Impact 7)
If your opinions differs please let me know
91 was in elite last year as well. Went 0-7. How does getting blown out every week create an environment where quality players want to join the team? It certainly doesn't do anything to develop players.
I know this may be insignificant, but I notice that the Madlax's loss to VLC in the Baltimore Bloom lacrosse tournament a month ago has not been reported to US Club Lax rankings. They are still showing a 13-0 record.
I know this may be insignificant, but I notice that the Madlax's loss to VLC in the Baltimore Bloom lacrosse tournament a month ago has not been reported to US Club Lax rankings. They are still showing a 13-0 record.
I would assume that it is not classified as a true tournament or it is a "highly competitive scrimmage" so it does not count, even though we all know.
I know this may be insignificant, but I notice that the Madlax's loss to VLC in the Baltimore Bloom lacrosse tournament a month ago has not been reported to US Club Lax rankings. They are still showing a 13-0 record.
I would assume that it is not classified as a true tournament or it is a "highly competitive scrimmage" so it does not count, even though we all know.
Neither is their win over the Hawks that play day or whoever else they played in those scrimmages. Play days don’t count. Doesn’t look like the 3 2028 teams they beat in real, sanctioned tournament in the Fall are reflected either in the wins.
Have you seen other scores reported from that tourney for other teams?
Or the score of Madlax beating the Hawks?
It was a play day, who cares
I am a next level player and we beat the hawks 8-7.
Thanks next level player!!!!
It wasn't a play day. It was the Crab's Baltimore Bloom spring tournament. It's a high level event attracting AA level teams.
I know Baltimore Bloom featured ML, Hawks, LTLC, VLC and Jersey Express. The tourney schedule was on LeagueApps so its no longer available unlike TourneyMachine.
Great games this weekend in the Elite division. I think HOCO should always schedule two games at a time back to back as it was great to be in one spot and getting to watch everyone play.
HAWKS vs MADLAX......was a thriller. What a game!! Felt like a mini-MIAA feel with all of the people watching the game. Hawks had control the entire game, but MADLAX broke through tie it. Came down to the last minute when HAWKS scored man-up to take the victory 5-4. I have a feeling we just saw the making of a great championship game. Two very good teams!
LTLC vs VLC - LTLC took control early and VLC was outmatched. VLC has been really impacted by injuries this season. LTLC has goalie back healthy now and is playing better than the start of the season.
NEXT LEVEL vs. TRUE - Another great game....two good teams. NEXT LEVEL has everyone back from injury and finally healthy and that makes a big difference. NEXT LEVEL had control of the game, but TRUE kept fighting and never backed down. Two playoff teams!
FCA vs TEAM 91 MD - Was shocked to see the domination of FCA in this one as they must have been upset after last weeks loss to True. I think everyone assumed FCA would win, but not 16-0. This may be the actual knock out punch that finally knocks Millon and TEAM 91 MD down to AAA next year.
In the AAA division, heard that PREDATORS vs. TRUE BALTIMORE was a great game back and forth all game w/ TRUE getting the edge at the end 6-5.
What a great weekend of lacrosse! So much talent at the 2029 level!
Gonna say it. The hawks and Madlax rivalry is all that is right in this sport. Parents are respectful, kids love each other, and you never know what’s gonna happen. Hawks and madlax parents giving each other high fives. Parents from both teams fist pumping opposing players to say great job…just fool awesome love for each other. Don’t believe the hype yall. This is two teams who appreciate each other.
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon in a spiral… due to coaching, but more so due to the woke lean of the admin. They somehow think parents send their boys there for $50/year to digest that [Censored]? They can get it for free in public schools.
They’ll get the kids who can’t get into Prep, St Albans, and Gonzaga, but they'll be splitting the others with St John’s.
Yes, Landon has gone woke and it is killing the school overall, and the lacrosse program is a casualty too.
Your picks weren’t so good this week, try harder next time.
Your picks weren’t so good this week, try harder next time.
Had a rough week. Thanks for telling me something I already know
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon in a spiral… due to coaching, but more so due to the woke lean of the admin. They somehow think parents send their boys there for $50/year to digest that [Censored]? They can get it for free in public schools.
They’ll get the kids who can’t get into Prep, St Albans, and Gonzaga, but they'll be splitting the others with St John’s.
Yes, Landon has gone woke and it is killing the school overall, and the lacrosse program is a casualty too.
Exactly what woke policies are killing Landon and its lax program?
So I was a little off on the score of the Hawks/Ml game. However watching the came it seemed like Hawks came out to play. Like expected ML came back. Ended up being a very fun game to watch. Hawks came out on top this time. I am sure ML will win the next. These are the best kinds of battles.
If you want to see everything that is right about elite, youth lacrosse, watch a Madlax/Hawks game. Pure respect on and off the field, kids, parents and coaches. So refreshing. Two very special teams who deserve the level of accolades they get. Clean play, hard nosed battles that are literally worthy of ESPN. Yesterday’s game was no exception. Hawks jumped out and in control. Madlax comes back with a few minutes left to take the lead and the Hawks win in the end. You would have thought after the game all parents and kids from both teams were tailgating together. Madlax parents clapping and congratulating Hawks kids as they walked off field. Somebody please bottle this up. Amazing.
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon in a spiral… due to coaching, but more so due to the woke lean of the admin. They somehow think parents send their boys there for $50/year to digest that [Censored]? They can get it for free in public schools.
They’ll get the kids who can’t get into Prep, St Albans, and Gonzaga, but they'll be splitting the others with St John’s.
Yes, Landon has gone woke and it is killing the school overall, and the lacrosse program is a casualty too.
Exactly what woke policies are killing Landon and its lax program?
If you have to ask, you’re part of the problem.
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon in a spiral… due to coaching, but more so due to the woke lean of the admin. They somehow think parents send their boys there for $50/year to digest that [Censored]? They can get it for free in public schools.
They’ll get the kids who can’t get into Prep, St Albans, and Gonzaga, but they'll be splitting the others with St John’s.
Yes, Landon has gone woke and it is killing the school overall, and the lacrosse program is a casualty too.
Exactly what woke policies are killing Landon and its lax program?
If you have to ask, you’re part of the problem.
I live in Baltimore and don't know jack about Landon, but ok. Can you show us on the doll where the evil liberal man touched you weirdo?
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon in a spiral… due to coaching, but more so due to the woke lean of the admin. They somehow think parents send their boys there for $50/year to digest that [Censored]? They can get it for free in public schools.
They’ll get the kids who can’t get into Prep, St Albans, and Gonzaga, but they'll be splitting the others with St John’s.
Yes, Landon has gone woke and it is killing the school overall, and the lacrosse program is a casualty too.
Exactly what woke policies are killing Landon and its lax program?
If you have to ask, you’re part of the problem.
I live in Baltimore and don't know jack about Landon, but ok. Can you show us on the doll where the evil liberal man touched you weirdo?
You have a doll that you poke? Weird stuff bro. Stay in Baltimore.
Pretty much. Heard the same. Landon is the backstop
New to the party. Can anyone say with any certainty if Crabs is fielding a 29 team this summer?
Landon? They are no longer a lacrosse school??
Landon in a spiral… due to coaching, but more so due to the woke lean of the admin. They somehow think parents send their boys there for $50/year to digest that [Censored]? They can get it for free in public schools.
They’ll get the kids who can’t get into Prep, St Albans, and Gonzaga, but they'll be splitting the others with St John’s.
Yes, Landon has gone woke and it is killing the school overall, and the lacrosse program is a casualty too.
Exactly what woke policies are killing Landon and its lax program?
If you have to ask, you’re part of the problem.
I live in Baltimore and don't know jack about Landon, but ok. Can you show us on the doll where the evil liberal man touched you weirdo?
Easy there. No one wants to play with your dolls here .
New to the party. Can anyone say with any certainty if Crabs is fielding a 29 team this summer?
I’d look for them to holdback a bunch of 28’s and field a team next year.
New to the party. Can anyone say with any certainty if Crabs is fielding a 29 team this summer?
I’d look for them to holdback a bunch of 28’s and field a team next year.
Hearing FCA holding back a lot of kids as well. Your kid is a starter until he isn't.
Teams can hold back kids? I thought it was up to the parents. Are there that many parents holding kids back for an advantage? I know of a couple of kids playing up and have really made their way to a starting roll. In my opinion thats they way to go.
New to the party. Can anyone say with any certainty if Crabs is fielding a 29 team this summer?
I’d look for them to holdback a bunch of 28’s and field a team next year.
Hearing FCA holding back a lot of kids as well. Your kid is a starter until he isn't.
This is completely made up.
The way some of these quarter-zip dads roll into Blandair or Troy you'd think they're about to play. Relax Sparky, your son doesn't need to whip it around with you before his team gets there...
Really? A dad who is engaged with his kid before a game is bad? You sound like the kind of dad who just yells a lot and tells your kid they aren’t working hard enough, becuase your ego can’t handle it if he doesn’t score five goals a game.
Really? A dad who is engaged with his kid before a game is bad? You sound like the kind of dad who just yells a lot and tells your kid they aren’t working hard enough, becuase your ego can’t handle it if he doesn’t score five goals a game.
If thinking private schools do not consider Gilman. There is no lacrosse team. It is a mess. They are moving to B conference in two years,
Your fool. Gilman has one of the most promising young coaches around. If there is a problem it’s likely because of a bunch of privileged kids who don’t like to hear the truth about their playtime.
Give it time. That dude is salt of the earth.
He’s a horrendous coach . Very little IQ! Has cost his team multiple games. If Gilman doesn’t fire him there will be no program.
Weekly Predictions and 1 Question that needs to be answered for each division
Elite
Hawks vs FCA (Hawks 9 FCA 3)
True vs VLC See (True 10 VLC 4)
LTLC Vs Madlax (Madlax 12 LTLC 6)
Next Level vs Team 91 (NL 14 Team 91 1)
Question: Who is the 4th team in the playoffs? (FCA, LTLC, True)
AAA
True Baltimore Black vs Team $ (True Balt 8 Team $ 3)
Kelly Post Grey vs HoCo (Hoco 10 KP 7)
Carroll Manor vs Hawks Black (Hawks 9 Carroll Manor 8)
Team MD vs Preds (Preds 11 Team MD 8)
Question Can True Baltimore Black run the table for an undefeated season?
AA
Madlax DMV vs Cannons (Madlax 9 Cannons 4)
BLC Blue vs Swarm (BLC 6 Swarm 4)
True Baltimore Green vs MDLL (True Balt 9 MDLL 3)
True VA vs VLC Poon (True VA 8 VLC 5)
Question Which of the 2 teams that are 4-0 has the best chance to win the championship?
A
Sidewinders vs BLC Orange (Sidewinders 12 BLC 2)
Kelly Post Green vs Blue Claws (Blue Claws 14 KP 0)
Hippos vs Zingos (Hippos 8 Zingos 4)
HLC vs Ville (Ville 8 HLC 7)
Impact vs ALC (Impact 8 ALC 5)
Question: Who is the real best team in this league? Is it ALC at 4-0 or the group of teams at 3-1?
True has one less game against top 3 for total of 6 on the season and very likely giving them the edge. LTLC needs to pull off win over True to even create a possible scenario for FCA or LTLC.
Looks like True is in best position for the 4th slot especially escaping Madlax in regular season.
This is such a dense comment. Thinking you can cross your fingers and yell a lot isn't what makes a player better. If a dad shows interest in what his kid enjoys, that's a bad thing. Or maybe your example of making your kid better is ridiculing them and berating shame on you. If getting extra practice in, even if it's with your parent, is a bad thing than you have no clue to what makes a good player a great player. As long as, it's not forced. I am all for it.
He’s a horrendous coach . Very little IQ! Has cost his team multiple games. If Gilman doesn’t fire him there will be no program.
Thanks Gilman dad/alum. You should ask yourself and all your alumni buddies if your egos are more important than this guys livelihood. Guy took over a program that needed to be revitalized and from a long time coach I believe. He’s barely had a chance to make an impact.
Have a little patience. And maybe so humility. Your sound like an arrogant weenie.
He’s a horrendous coach . Very little IQ! Has cost his team multiple games. If Gilman doesn’t fire him there will be no program.
Thanks Gilman dad/alum. You should ask yourself and all your alumni buddies if your egos are more important than this guys livelihood. Guy took over a program that needed to be revitalized and from a long time coach I believe. He’s barely had a chance to make an impact.
Have a little patience. And maybe so humility. Your sound like an arrogant weenie.
The original guy posts on multiple age groups and has a weird axe to grind. If anyone in a 6th grade forum cares, Gilman is a great school in the middle to lower end of the miaa lacrosse pack. Coach is solid and not one of the retreads in the Baltimore qtr zip community. Back to Hoco talk, don’t feed the troll.
He has already proven he is not a good fit. Parents dislike him, players don’t respect him ( laugh at him) and he keeps blowing big leads. Gilman currently has as much talent as everyone in the league but McD.
He’s embarrassing the school and will be the end of Gilman have a competitive lacrosse team. Has zero ability to recruit. If numbers play out Gilman may not have enough players to field a team.
He’s a horrendous coach . Very little IQ! Has cost his team multiple games. If Gilman doesn’t fire him there will be no program.
Thanks Gilman dad/alum. You should ask yourself and all your alumni buddies if your egos are more important than this guys livelihood. Guy took over a program that needed to be revitalized and from a long time coach I believe. He’s barely had a chance to make an impact.
Have a little patience. And maybe so humility. Your sound like an arrogant weenie.
My son and I went to meet with Gilman. The coach is socially weird. Has zero personality and very little knowledge of the MIAA and what it takes to win. We chose another school. My observation, Gilman doesn’t care about lacrosse!! If they did they would recognize the coach doesn’t have it. I don’t see how or why they would have hired such an incompetent person.
So anyway.
Pretty fool two weeks in hoco elite. Next level somehow comes back from a 3 goal deficit with less than 4 left to beat the hawks. Then hawks turn around beat madlax on a game they controlled, allowed them back in, and then came through with like 30 seconds left to win. True dominated FCA, but then next level who barely beat FCA somewhat controlled true a week later.
Parity is a good thing…the older they get the more parity will come. It’s healthy for the kids and fun to watch.
So anyway.
Pretty fool two weeks in hoco elite. Next level somehow comes back from a 3 goal deficit with less than 4 left to beat the hawks. Then hawks turn around beat madlax on a game they controlled, allowed them back in, and then came through with like 30 seconds left to win. True dominated FCA, but then next level who barely beat FCA somewhat controlled true a week later.
Parity is a good thing…the older they get the more parity will come. It’s healthy for the kids and fun to watch.
Parity is a great thing, and it is happening at every level of the 2029 grad year. Makes for better games and keeps the boys engaged during the entire season.
It appears that outside of ML, Hawks and NL, consistency in performance is a challenge for the balance of the elite teams. True, FCA, VLC and LTLC have all looked dominant or beatable from one week to the next.
It appears that outside of ML, Hawks and NL, consistency in performance is a challenge for the balance of the elite teams. True, FCA, VLC and LTLC have all looked dominant or beatable from one week to the next.
Apparently you can put Madlax into the group of “challenges to find consistency.” 3 losses in their last 5-6 game. No bueno.
What in the wild world of sports is going on with todays scores??? Hawks squeaked out a win against FCA and madlax loses to lutherville?!
Any updates on the hoco games today?
Wow what a week in the Elite 2029 Division! Once again love the parity in the division as every week matters. Also, love when the scheduling works out so you get a glimpse of all 8 teams playing at the same time @ Blandair.
Recap..............
LTLC over Madlax (7-6) - Madlax seemed to play sloppy all first half, but then looked to take control ending the 3rd quarter up 5-3. But LTLC kept battling, had a couple of questionable referee calls go their way, and came back with authority to get the victory. LTLC played well, but Madlax seemed all out of sorts. Today was not the normally disciplined Madlax team performance that we normally see. Madlax parents were hysterical of course. Does LTLC have enough for a playoff pushing now winning 3 in a row? 2 big games left for them vs. True and Next Level.
Hawks over FCA (5-4) - Another incredible game. Back and forth battle with Hawks holding the slight edge throughout. Hawks midfield is so smart and aggressive when needed in between the lines. FCA had several opportunities to score in the last 3 minutes, two great looks on man-up, but couldn't hammer one home to tie it up. Hawks shut down FCA's midfield, but FCA's attack shined. FCA shut down Hawks attack, and Hawks midfield shined. Another great lacrosse game. Hawks is proving to be the team to beat. Ready to lock up the #1 see for playoffs.........and also guessing a new National #1 ranking. FCA is solid though with two 1 goal losses now on the season.
True over VLC (11-4) - Another good victory for a solid True team. First half was close, but True turned it on in the second half. True sets up a big game next week vs. LTLC which both need to win for the playoff hunt.
Next Level over 91 MD (20-4) - Feel bad for the 91 MD crew each week.....Millon had to put them in Elite right? Next Level looks good though and ready to battle as one of the top teams in the division.
Playoff Outlook:
#1 seed - Hawks
#2 seed - NL
#3 - #4 (Comes down to Madlax, True, LTLC, and FCA).....several big games over the next two weeks. Should be exciting to watch!
He’s a horrendous coach . Very little IQ! Has cost his team multiple games. If Gilman doesn’t fire him there will be no program.
Are you talking about the varsity coach or the 7-8th grade coach?
Wow what a week in the Elite 2029 Division! Once again love the parity in the division as every week matters. Also, love when the scheduling works out so you get a glimpse of all 8 teams playing at the same time @ Blandair.
Recap..............
LTLC over Madlax (7-6) - Madlax seemed to play sloppy all first half, but then looked to take control ending the 3rd quarter up 5-3. But LTLC kept battling, had a couple of questionable referee calls go their way, and came back with authority to get the victory. LTLC played well, but Madlax seemed all out of sorts. Today was not the normally disciplined Madlax team performance that we normally see. Madlax parents were hysterical of course. Does LTLC have enough for a playoff pushing now winning 3 in a row? 2 big games left for them vs. True and Next Level.
Hawks over FCA (5-4) - Another incredible game. Back and forth battle with Hawks holding the slight edge throughout. Hawks midfield is so smart and aggressive when needed in between the lines. FCA had several opportunities to score in the last 3 minutes, two great looks on man-up, but couldn't hammer one home to tie it up. Hawks shut down FCA's midfield, but FCA's attack shined. FCA shut down Hawks attack, and Hawks midfield shined. Another great lacrosse game. Hawks is proving to be the team to beat. Ready to lock up the #1 see for playoffs.........and also guessing a new National #1 ranking. FCA is solid though with two 1 goal losses now on the season.
True over VLC (11-4) - Another good victory for a solid True team. First half was close, but True turned it on in the second half. True sets up a big game next week vs. LTLC which both need to win for the playoff hunt.
Next Level over 91 MD (20-4) - Feel bad for the 91 MD crew each week.....Millon had to put them in Elite right? Next Level looks good though and ready to battle as one of the top teams in the division.
Playoff Outlook:
#1 seed - Hawks
#2 seed - NL
#3 - #4 (Comes down to Madlax, True, LTLC, and FCA).....several big games over the next two weeks. Should be exciting to watch!
Here are the standings if the playoffs were to begin today
Playoff Standings (5/1/23)
Elite
1. Next Level (Holds Tiebreaker over Hawks with win)
2. Hawks (Holds Tiebreaker over True with win)
3. True
4. LTLC (Holds tiebreaker over Madlax with win)
5. Madlax
6. FCA
7. VLC (Out of playoffs)
8. Team 91 (Out of playoffs)
AAA
1. True Baltimore Black
2. Preds
3. HoCo (Holds tiebreaker over CM and Team MD)
4. Carroll Manor
5. Team MD
6. Kelly Post Grey
7. Hawks (Black) (Out of Playoffs)
8. Team Money (Out of playoffs)
AA
1. True Baltimore (Green)
2. Bethesda Blue
3. True VA
4. Swarm
5. Madlax
6. VLC (Out of Playoffs)
7. Cannons (Out of Playoffs)
8. MDLL (Out of Playoffs)
A
1. Hippos
2. HLC
3. ALC
4. Impact
5. Blue Claws
6. Ville
7. Zingos (Out of the Playoffs)
8. Kelly Post Green (Out of the playoffs)
9. Sidewinders (Out of the Playoffs)
10. BLC Orange (Out of the Playoffs)
I would agree about the referee calls. Each team had some go and not go their way. I guess it balanced itself out.
Wondering if anyone has a link to the video of the madlax game yesterday. I missed it and would like to see it.
Playoff Standings (5/1/23)
Elite
1. Next Level (Holds Tiebreaker over Hawks with win)
2. Hawks (Holds Tiebreaker over True with win)
3. True
4. LTLC (Holds tiebreaker over Madlax with win)
5. Madlax
6. FCA
*Next Level plays (VLC / LTLC)....will be interesting to see what LTLC they get after the MADLAX upset?
**Hawks plays (91 / True)....predicting both wins....but True is talented
***True (LTLC / Hawks)....predicting one win....but again which LTLC do they get? Also are they going to schedule the True vs. Madlax game that was missed due to players playing in WSL qualifier?
****LTLC (True / NL)...a week ago would have predicted 0-2. I could see them picking up one win here.
*****Madlax (FCA / 91)....which Madlax team will we see vs. FCA? Predicting they win both.
******FCA (Madlax / VLC)....which Madlax team will show up this week? They had two 1-goal losses to NL and Hawks...so know they will play them tough. If somehow they can win out they would have tie breaker over LTLC.
Should be an interesting finish. Huge games this week (LTLC vs TRUE) and (MADLAX vs FCA) should provide more clarity.
Playoff Standings as of 4/30
AAA
1. True Baltimore Black
2. Preds
3. HoCo (Holds tiebreaker over CM and Team MD)
4. Carroll Manor
5. Team MD
6. Kelly Post Grey
* True Baltimore will clinch the 1 seed with a win over either HoCo or Carroll Manor (tiebreaker over preds for head to head)
** Preds should be in with a win in the final 2 games (Team $ and Hoco)
*** Hoco Has 2 tough games (True Balt Black and Preds) that they need to win 1 in order to make the playoffs but they do hold the head to head tie breakers with both Carroll Manor and Team MD)
**** Carroll Manor vs Team MD is essentially a play in game for the playoffs. winner is in the playoffs and likely will be the 4th seed
AA
1. True Baltimore (Green)
2. Bethesda Blue
3. True VA
4. Swarm
5. Madlax
*True Balt locks in the 1 seed with a win over BLC Blue. If BLC Wins they will be the 1 seed. This is one of the games of the week
**True VA will need 1 win in its final 2 to be in the playoffs and most likely will be the 3 seed but could be the 2 seed with a win in the final week over BLC Blue
***Swarm vs Madlax is a play in game for the playoffs, the winner is in. Game of the week pt 2
****The scenarios in AA are much simpler than the other divisions but still a great deal of parity and tons still at stake over the next 2 weeks.
A
1. Hippos
2. HLC
3. ALC
4. Impact
5. Blue Claws
6. Ville
* Hippos need to win both games to take the #1 Seed, 1 win and they are in the playoffs and will have a bye in the first round
** HLC has the same scenario as Hippos. These teams will play in the final game of the season for the top seed
***ALC needs both Hippos and HLC to lose at least one of their games to become the 1 seed.
****The top 3 teams seem to be locks to go to the playoffs
***** Impact needs 1 win and a Blue Claws or Ville Loss in order to be into the playoffs (Impact plays Blue Claws in the final game of the season
***** Blue Claws needs a victory in one of their final 2 games of the season to join the playoff dance.
******Ville needs a ton of help and a victory over ALC and BLC Orange to make the playoffs
Parity across the division. A ton of thanks goes to my Elite friend who is giving us all the lowdown from the top of the division. Thank you who ever you are.
nothing to watch. if you were there, you saw the mess that ML brought to the field.
save yourself the time. here are the highlights-
ML- no heart, looked scared, beat up, like robots. obvious from first F/O they were not the ML team that has dominated 29 .
O and D- sloppy. missed shots, missed passes, coaches joysticking.
D let in 3 quick goals in the 4th. goalie missed 2 he would take back. no f/o wins in last 10 mins, no offensive possession in Q4.
ML needs help in the mf. no D mids, no speed. coach recruits kids, he should focus recruiting on big tough mf. can't clear the ball.
as ususal, coaches and parents yelling the entire game. if they have professional jobs, they must not be able to speak during the week.
refs were a 5 out or 10. couple questionable calls against ML that led to goals.
save yourself the hour and don't look for the game highlights. just know they didn't look like they wanted to be playing from the start and that determined the outcome with minutes left. it was miserable out there. LTLC has improved. ML played poor lacrosse but not taking away the improvement and physical growth from Lutherville.
nothing to watch. if you were there, you saw the mess that ML brought to the field.
save yourself the time. here are the highlights-
ML- no heart, looked scared, beat up, like robots. obvious from first F/O they were not the ML team that has dominated 29 .
O and D- sloppy. missed shots, missed passes, coaches joysticking.
D let in 3 quick goals in the 4th. goalie missed 2 he would take back. no f/o wins in last 10 mins, no offensive possession in Q4.
ML needs help in the mf. no D mids, no speed. coach recruits kids, he should focus recruiting on big tough mf. can't clear the ball.
as ususal, coaches and parents yelling the entire game. if they have professional jobs, they must not be able to speak during the week.
refs were a 5 out or 10. couple questionable calls against ML that led to goals.
save yourself the hour and don't look for the game highlights. just know they didn't look like they wanted to be playing from the start and that determined the outcome with minutes left. it was miserable out there. LTLC has improved. ML played poor lacrosse but not taking away the improvement and physical growth from Lutherville.
LTLC definitely looked better and has their second goalie back from injury. Still was shocking to see but hats off to LTLC on the great victory!
He’s a horrendous coach . Very little IQ! Has cost his team multiple games. If Gilman doesn’t fire him there will be no program.
Thanks Gilman dad/alum. You should ask yourself and all your alumni buddies if your egos are more important than this guys livelihood. Guy took over a program that needed to be revitalized and from a long time coach I believe. He’s barely had a chance to make an impact.
Have a little patience. And maybe so humility. Your sound like an arrogant weenie.
The original guy posts on multiple age groups and has a weird axe to grind. If anyone in a 6th grade forum cares, Gilman is a great school in the middle to lower end of the miaa lacrosse pack. Coach is solid and not one of the retreads in the Baltimore qtr zip community. Back to Hoco talk, don’t feed the troll.
Listen Coach, you are who you are. Only thing you do have going is that you are not one of the retread quarter zips coaching at most MIAA A schools now, tho you are in same category of coaching. Another Over rated coach who wins due to dedication of players. Coaching is not that great in MIAA no matter how they spin it.
Week 6 Predictions
Elite
LTLC Vs True Chesapeake (True 6 LTLC 5)
Team 91 Vs Hawks (Hawks 15 Team 91 2)
FCA Vs Madlax Cap (Madlax 8 FCA 7)
VLC vs Next Level (NL 10 VLC 5)
AAA
HoCo vs True Baltimore Black (True Balt 9 HoCo 7)
Team $ vs Predators (Preds 13 Team $ 5)
Hawks Black vs Kelly Post (KP 8 Hawks 7)
Team MD vs Carroll Manor (Carroll Manor 10 Team MD9)
AA
True Baltimore Green vs BLC Blue (BLC Blue 12 True Balt 8)
Cannons vs True VA (True VA 11 Cannons 6)
VLC P vs MDLL (VLC 8 MDLL 7)
Baltimore Swarm vs Madlax DMV (Swarm 10 Madlax 8)
A
ALC vs Ville (ALC 7 Ville 6)
HLC vs Zingos (HLC 12 Zingos 5)
BLC Orange vs Impact (Impact 15 BLC 1)
KP Green vs Hippos (Hippos 16 KP 0)
Blue Claws vs Sidewinders (Blue Claws 12 Sidewinders 3)
Opinions, corrections, problems?
ADMINS!!! FIX THE HIGH SCHOOL THREAD!
Wonder if madlax can get it down against fca or make it 3 loses in a row.
Wonder if madlax can get it down against fca or make it 3 loses in a row.
Who cares, they are 11(Or should be) They are great athletes beat down to play scared by overzealous coaches. It’s not the fastest game on 2 feet anymore. All the elite “elite” matchups are dragged out to 4 min offensive stall ball until kids (coaches) turn it over. Your kids are better off playing rec, lower level hoco, and developing, then just getting ground balls and passing to coaches kids. That’s why there is 60 kids on high school rosters, 15 play!
Like the perspective. You are right it has become noticeable how these “elite” teams have come “elite”? Coaching rather than making players better. Rec programs are disappearing by the year. I think there are even high school teams “public” that can barely field teams. Wondering how many Rec teams are left in hoco 2029’d
Wonder if madlax can get it down against fca or make it 3 loses in a row.
Who cares, they are 11(Or should be) They are great athletes beat down to play scared by overzealous coaches. It’s not the fastest game on 2 feet anymore. All the elite “elite” matchups are dragged out to 4 min offensive stall ball until kids (coaches) turn it over. Your kids are better off playing rec, lower level hoco, and developing, then just getting ground balls and passing to coaches kids. That’s why there is 60 kids on high school rosters, 15 play!
For the life of me, I cannot understand why we continue to pay Club lax $ to an org that allows daddy coaches. The few daddy coaches that “get it” are the ones who are harder on their own kid, which simply isn’t the case at Madlax 2029, 2028, and 2027. And it will/is destroying these teams.
Playoff Standings and scenarios as of (5/8/23) All Teams that have been eliminated from playoffs are not listed
Elite
1. Hawks 5-1 (Better winning percentage)
2. Next Level 4-1(Hold Tie Breaker over True) (Result of game vs VLC See not posted)
3. True 4-1
4. Madlax 3-2 (Will be in with win over True and and Team 91)
5. LTLC 3-3 (Will be in with win over Next Level and Madlax Loss in one of final 2 games)
AAA
1. True Baltimore Black 6-0
2. Preds 5-1
3. Carroll Manor 4-2
4. HoCo 3-3 (Will be 3 seed with Carroll Manor loss and victory over Preds)
5. Kelly Post Grey 2-3 (would be in with win over team MD and HoCo Loss and Hawks Loss)
6. Hawks (Black) 2-3 Would be in with win over team money and HoCo Loss)
AA
1. Bethesda Blue 5-0-1
2. True Baltimore (Green)5-1 (Holds head-to-head tiebreaker over True VA)
3. True VA 5-1
4. Swarm 3-2-1
A
1. Hippos 5-1 (Plays HLC for #1 Seed, hold tiebreaker over HLC due to better record of teams beaten)
2. HLC 5-1 (Plays Hippos for #1 Seed)
3. Ville 4-2 (Has head-to-head tiebreaker over Impact and ALC)
4. Impact 4-2 (Has head-to-head tiebreaker over ALC, will be out of playoffs with loss to Blue Claws)
5. ALC 4-2 (Has Head-to-head tiebreaker over Blue Claws)
6. Blue Claws 4-2 (Will be in playoffs with win over Impact this weekend)
Got the chance to watch LTLC vs. TRUE this past weekend and then stayed for some of FCA vs. Madlax. Two more incredible one goal games.
True and LTLC battled back and forth early, but then True pulled ahead in the 3rd. It seemed like the might run away with is, but LTLC was gritty and tough, and battled back. Had several shots in the last minute to potentially tie the game, but came up just short.
Didn't get to watch the entire FCA vs. Madlax game, but what a battle. Both teams slugged each other back and forth. FCA was up 4-3 at half. From what I heard from someone who stayed, Madlax took a slight lead going into the 4th and then processed the ball and ran clock for a good portion of the 4th quarter to hold on for a one goal victory 9-8. Big win for Madlax to try and secure that 4th and final playoff spot. Another tough 1 goal loss for FCA (that's 3: NL, Hawks, and Madlax).
Next Level and Hawks both dominated against VLC and Team 91 MD as expected.
Wonder if madlax can get it down against fca or make it 3 loses in a row.
Who cares, they are 11(Or should be) They are great athletes beat down to play scared by overzealous coaches. It’s not the fastest game on 2 feet anymore. All the elite “elite” matchups are dragged out to 4 min offensive stall ball until kids (coaches) turn it over. Your kids are better off playing rec, lower level hoco, and developing, then just getting ground balls and passing to coaches kids. That’s why there is 60 kids on high school rosters, 15 play!
For the life of me, I cannot understand why we continue to pay Club lax $ to an org that allows daddy coaches. The few daddy coaches that “get it” are the ones who are harder on their own kid, which simply isn’t the case at Madlax 2029, 2028, and 2027. And it will/is destroying these teams.
That will not be able to happen next year with all elite teams on both 28 and 29 going to an 80 second shot clock I know that does not help this year but it will certainly make games more watchable. As for daddy ball I don’t have an answer for that
Wonder if madlax can get it down against fca or make it 3 loses in a row.
Who cares, they are 11(Or should be) They are great athletes beat down to play scared by overzealous coaches. It’s not the fastest game on 2 feet anymore. All the elite “elite” matchups are dragged out to 4 min offensive stall ball until kids (coaches) turn it over. Your kids are better off playing rec, lower level hoco, and developing, then just getting ground balls and passing to coaches kids. That’s why there is 60 kids on high school rosters, 15 play!
For the life of me, I cannot understand why we continue to pay Club lax $ to an org that allows daddy coaches. The few daddy coaches that “get it” are the ones who are harder on their own kid, which simply isn’t the case at Madlax 2029, 2028, and 2027. And it will/is destroying these teams.
That will not be able to happen next year with all elite teams on both 28 and 29 going to an 80 second shot clock I know that does not help this year but it will certainly make games more watchable. As for daddy ball I don’t have an answer for that
I don't know much about 2029, but the Daddy ball issue for MadLax 2027 is terrible. It changed the entire culture of the team, and not for the better. It created a twilight zone scenario where weak players are allowed to bully the good players with impunity. on the ML 2028 team, there are so many complaints about the coach, that Daddy ball is probably a secondary concern.
Game Predictions for 5/14/23
Elite
Madlax vs True Chesapeake (Sat) (Madlax 8 True 6)
Madlax vs Team 91 (Madlax 15 Team 91 3)
Next Level vs LTLC (NL 7 LTLC 6)
FCA vs VLC (FCA 12 VLC 5)
Hawks vs True Chesapeake (Hawks 9 True 5)
AAA
Team $ vs Hawks (Black) (Hawks 12 Team $ 4)
KP Grey vs Team MD (KP 8 Team MD 7)
True Baltimore Black vs Carroll Manor (True Balt 7 Carroll Manor 6)
Preds vs HoCo (Preds 9 HoCo 6)
AA
Madlax DMV vs True Baltimore Green (True Balt 7 Madlax 5)
VLC vs Swarm (Swarm 10 VLC 4)
True VA vs BLC Blue (BLC 12 True VA 7)
NDLL vs Cannons (Cannons 13 NDLL 10)
A
Sidewinders vs Kelly Post (Sidewinders 6 KP 4)
Zingos vs ALC (ALC 10 Zingos 5)
Impact vs Blue Claws (Impact 8 Blue Claws 7)
Hippos vs HLC (Hippos 8 HLC 6)
Ville vs BLC Orange (Ville 15 BLC 2)
True is gonna have a hard weekend. Playing two outstanding teams.
True could be in first place by the end of the weekend
Let be honest. True is going to have to bring people in to beat these teams this weekend. PERIOD! Enjoy it while it lasts True, going from 3rd to sitting at home for the finals weekend
Maybe they are bringing people in. As long as they are on roster it’s fair game right?
True is in the playoffs, period. Even if they lose both games this weekend, they have the tie breaker vs. LTLC as they beat them head to head.
True is in the playoffs, period. Even if they lose both games this weekend, they have the tie breaker vs. LTLC as they beat them head to head.
Correct True is in the playoffs the only thing remaining to be determined is seeds and if Madlax or LTLC is in the playoffs
What makes you think True would need to bring more kids in to win? True beat FCA by a bunch of goals. FCA lost to Madlax and Hawks by only 1 goal. Could definitely see True beating one or both of them.
True daddy’s are chirpin’! Classic.
So did True win this morning?
So did True win this morning?
No True got destroyed by Madlax.
True daddy’s are chirpin’! Classic.
Let 'em chirp. True Annapolis has been rigged to prove to the world (somehow) that True's model works in an ecosystem of higher lax IQ parents with multiple club options for their kids. And True Annapolis' teams across the middle school age brackets aren't horrible.
But they're also not great, and it's short lived anyway. Notice how True Ches has good performing elite teams at 2029 and 2030 (and I assume 2031), but are awful at 2028 and 2027. And the lower-bracket True Ches B-teams get beat up at A and AA too. Talent, acquired from the Cutters 2025-2029, has slowly drifted away and not been replaced.
And if you take a wider look, there's only a few middle school age True teams in the Hoco playoffs at all. I believe True Balt 2028 (AA) and True Ches 2029. And I think a lone True VA team playing at A? at some age? For a corporate club dumping 12+ teams into a single league and only seeing 3-4 even make it to the playoffs, what's going on there?
Zero league championships that I'm aware of (not counting the ones purchased from Kelly Post 2028) and True is banking about $1.5M per year on MD and VA kids alone. That's a lot of money for not winning.
True only scored 2 goals all weekend? What happened to that team?
Looks like there were no close games in elite this weekend. Seems like big drop off after top 3 teams.
True daddy’s are chirpin’! Classic.
Let 'em chirp. True Annapolis has been rigged to prove to the world (somehow) that True's model works in an ecosystem of higher lax IQ parents with multiple club options for their kids. And True Annapolis' teams across the middle school age brackets aren't horrible.
But they're also not great, and it's short lived anyway. Notice how True Ches has good performing elite teams at 2029 and 2030 (and I assume 2031), but are awful at 2028 and 2027. And the lower-bracket True Ches B-teams get beat up at A and AA too. Talent, acquired from the Cutters 2025-2029, has slowly drifted away and not been replaced.
And if you take a wider look, there's only a few middle school age True teams in the Hoco playoffs at all. I believe True Balt 2028 (AA) and True Ches 2029. And I think a lone True VA team playing at A? at some age? For a corporate club dumping 12+ teams into a single league and only seeing 3-4 even make it to the playoffs, what's going on there?
Zero league championships that I'm aware of (not counting the ones purchased from Kelly Post 2028) and True is banking about $1.5M per year on MD and VA kids alone. That's a lot of money for not winning.
What? Playoffs for True Bmore 2028? They went 0-7 in AA.
The Playoffs begin this weekend who ya got? One pick per division
Elite: Hawks
AAA: Preds
AA: BLC Blue
A: HLC
I know I went out on a limb for some of them. Let me know your picks
Interesting set up for the elite finals. ML vs Hawks in the semi final. Next Level vs, True in the other semi. I see a hawks next level final with Hawks winning. True really feel off towards the end with close games and a final blowout. The season was a good one with no shear dominance other than hawks and even then the gap seems to be getting a little closer with the other teams. Some teams showed that then can play at times and struggle at others, Inconsistency really caused teams (ltlc,fca, and even ML) to have a difficult games.This seemed all around except for the bottom 2 teams. Consistency was the key. Enjoyed many of the upsets this season. The boys played hard all around and showed why this elite division is the best in the country. Got chance to see and meet Lax parent's true colors both good and bad. Excited for what's to come during tournament season.
#notahawksparent
True daddy’s are chirpin’! Classic.
Let 'em chirp. True Annapolis has been rigged to prove to the world (somehow) that True's model works in an ecosystem of higher lax IQ parents with multiple club options for their kids. And True Annapolis' teams across the middle school age brackets aren't horrible.
But they're also not great, and it's short lived anyway. Notice how True Ches has good performing elite teams at 2029 and 2030 (and I assume 2031), but are awful at 2028 and 2027. And the lower-bracket True Ches B-teams get beat up at A and AA too. Talent, acquired from the Cutters 2025-2029, has slowly drifted away and not been replaced.
And if you take a wider look, there's only a few middle school age True teams in the Hoco playoffs at all. I believe True Balt 2028 (AA) and True Ches 2029. And I think a lone True VA team playing at A? at some age? For a corporate club dumping 12+ teams into a single league and only seeing 3-4 even make it to the playoffs, what's going on there?
Zero league championships that I'm aware of (not counting the ones purchased from Kelly Post 2028) and True is banking about $1.5M per year on MD and VA kids alone. That's a lot of money for not winning.
What? Playoffs for True Bmore 2028? They went 0-7 in AA.
Typo, my bad. And actually my analysis ("True talent skews younger") was off too. If this info has any value, it shows that 2029 is an unusually talented crop of players for True. The older teams and younger teams both seem to not hold that talent/coaching/roster depth.
Based on the season's results so far I'd expect the only 2 teams to win their divisions are 2029 Balt (AAA) in a close win over Predators and 2030 True Chesapeake. Out of 20? teams fielded in 18? divisions.
True teams in playoffs this weekend:
2027 True VA (AA)
2027 True DC (B)
2028 True Ches (Elite)
2028 True VA (A)
Now for 2029:
2029 True Ches (Elite)
2029 True Balt (AAA - #1 seed)
2029 True Balt (AA)
And 2030 and beyond:
2030 True Ches (Elite, #2 seed)
2030 True Balt (A)
2030 True VA (A)
2031 True Annapolis (A)
2032 No True teams in playoffs
2033 No True teams in playoffs
My understanding is that True had a injury to one of their top players that contributed to the lopsided scores this weekend. Not that they would have won either, but made a difference in the big time defeats.
Elite Predictions (Hawks over Madlax / NL over True).......Hawks over NL in the Championship game to get revenge on the earlier loss.
Top 10 2029 - HOCO Analysis
1. HAWKS - Solid team all around. Top 4 in the country. Super disciplined and talented across the board. CHAMPS for a reason!
2. NEXT LEVEL - Great season for them and loaded with talent. Have a feeling they will improve their roster as well with a couple VLC or MADLAX guys coming over. Look out! Top 4 in the country as well.
3. MADLAX - Up and down season. I think they lost focus for a bit, but we will see if they are redialed in. Once looked unbeatable, but definitely have holes to fill. Still a Top 5 team in the country.
4. TRUE - I'll put True here because they earned it, but realistically see them as 6 or 7. Will be interesting to see if they can attract some new talent or might lose some guys to HAWKS / ProStart. Or will they fly in some True National players to help?
5. FCA - Good first season in Elite, with 3 1-goal losses to the top 3 teams. Top 2029 team in Baltimore County, but can they improve any of their weaknesses?
6. LTLC - Highlight win of the year with the victory over MADLAX. They have a great coach and have created a great bond amongst these families. Rumors swirling on them moving over to Crabs next year?? Will that create a divide and will they be able to attract any new talent?
7. VLC - Tough season with a major injury to one of their top offensive players. He's back now and you see what a difference he makes in all areas on the field. Will they be able to attract new talent and keep everyone??
8. TRUE BALTIMORE - Great season at AAA. Will surely push to enter Elite next year. Will be interesting to see how they compete at the next level, but hats off on a great year.
9. PREDATORS - Also a great season at AAA. Excited to see a rematch vs. True Baltimore in the Championship. Preds 2029's continue to improve and get better. Look out for this team.
10. 91 MD - Another winless season for 91 MD. They need help in all areas, however I think another mass exodus is coming with the roster. Hard to be happy with the season they had. Maybe MM needs to bump down and help out the youth teams.
Excited to move on to the summer and should be a interesting field next year in 2024.
Elite division will embrace the SHOT CLOCK, but realistically which of these 10 teams does not get in?
LOCKS: Hawks, Next Level, Madlax, True, FCA, and LTLC
POTENTIAL PLAY IN PLAYOFF: VLC, TRUE BALTIMORE, PREDS, and 91 MD??? My guess is VLC and TRUE BALTIMORE get the last 2 spots. Will Millon allow that though (LOL)???
No playoffs for FCA....didn't add enough holdbacks.
There was a player on true that was not there on Saturday that played in NY for a different team that day…..
What did they add. 3 or 4?
This is funny stuff. A one year holdback such as a double pre-k/k is justified, or even in fifth grade for an early birthday for academic reasons is justifiable. Having a double holdback to play and make your team better(?) is ridiculous. By the time this said player reaches high school they will be 15 starting the school year and 16 at the end of their freshman year possibly. I don't want to blame teams for doing it even though it might be unchristian like. The real blame is on the parent(s).
Play up if you want to get an advantage.
There was a player on true that was not there on Saturday that played in NY for a different team that day…..
Tournaments should stop letting that team enter. Put a stop to their nonsense.
The guy who keeps claiming FCA is holdback central must be a surly Dad who's son didn't make the cut last summer. FCA has no more than 1-2 kids who are holdbacks. Frankly, that's probably well below average for teams in the Elite division.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a player on true that was not there on Saturday that played in NY for a different team that day…..
That player plays for Nationals LC but is a full time player for True Chesapeake. There should be no issue if the player chooses to play for their national team instead of their local club if the local club coach and team are fine with that arrangement. It's not cheating. It's not flying in a ringer to augment a team for a weekend.
This is funny stuff. A one year holdback such as a double pre-k/k is justified, or even in fifth grade for an early birthday for academic reasons is justifiable. Having a double holdback to play and make your team better(?) is ridiculous. By the time this said player reaches high school they will be 15 starting the school year and 16 at the end of their freshman year possibly. I don't want to blame teams for doing it even though it might be unchristian like. The real blame is on the parent(s).
Starting Freshman year at 15 is a single holdback. In fact you can be a non holdback starting HS at 15 if your birthday is the first week of September. Some schools don't start till after Labor Day.
Hold backs aren't really the problem. Double holdbacks are. Anyways my kids plays up a year and is doing just fine. Has also been invited up to guest play 2 years up. In the end who is being more challenged? You can answer that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a player on true that was not there on Saturday that played in NY for a different team that day…..
That player plays for Nationals LC but is a full time player for True Chesapeake. There should be no issue if the player chooses to play for their national team instead of their local club if the local club coach and team are fine with that arrangement. It's not cheating. It's not flying in a ringer to augment a team for a weekend.
The “kid” I’m question didn’t play for true either day he played for nationals Saturday and appeared to have gotten hurt and didn’t play Sunday. He’s a regular player on the true Chesapeake team and from maryland.
True didn’t fly anyone in, and if they had, I’m sure that would have been the last time…
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a player on true that was not there on Saturday that played in NY for a different team that day…..
That player plays for Nationals LC but is a full time player for True Chesapeake. There should be no issue if the player chooses to play for their national team instead of their local club if the local club coach and team are fine with that arrangement. It's not cheating. It's not flying in a ringer to augment a team for a weekend.
Nobody cares about True flying in or taking on national players on the team to try and save whatever team they have and be competitive. Clearly this weekend showed even with fly in players True needs a lot of work. The parents with kids on True that have their spots taken by fly in players or players not committed to the team should be the ones with the problem.
The true kid got hurt last Sunday and did not play in the true
Madlax game or the Sunday game. Hope he gets better soon. He’s a great player.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There was a player on true that was not there on Saturday that played in NY for a different team that day…..
That player plays for Nationals LC but is a full time player for True Chesapeake. There should be no issue if the player chooses to play for their national team instead of their local club if the local club coach and team are fine with that arrangement. It's not cheating. It's not flying in a ringer to augment a team for a weekend.
Nobody cares about True flying in or taking on national players on the team to try and save whatever team they have and be competitive. Clearly this weekend showed even with fly in players True needs a lot of work. The parents with kids on True that have their spots taken by fly in players or players not committed to the team should be the ones with the problem.
Gonna repeat it. True 2029 did not and has not brought any players in all year. 28 has been egregious with it and I hear some of the older teams maybe. But 2028 is the only team I personally know for a fact. Literally 5-10 platers at times. Mostly kids from Illinois/Minnesota.
Sadly the 2028 local parents are pretending not to care Becuase they made the playoffs and are puffing their chests. Summer is gonna be a smack in the face for them
The true kid got hurt last Sunday and did not play in the true
Madlax game or the Sunday game. Hope he gets better soon. He’s a great player.
Why go to NY to play in a c/b level tournament, when your hometown team is playing the top 2 Teams in the country? By teams, I mean players you play with all year gearing up to play these top teams. Not a recruit/patch/load up a 30 man roster and play in mostly weak tournaments running up the score with double holdbacks.
Great players/teammates would never do it. Teammates and friends and been abandoned a couple times. Parents and kids are disturbed by it, coaches should be ashamed if they allow it. Unless it’s a recruiting strategy for the fly ins for next year!
My Elite best for Hoco reg season.
Goalie=Hawks; Defense=ML; Midfield=Hawks; Attack=FCA; FO=Hawks
Playoffs. NL(-4). Vs True, Hawks(-1). Vs. ML
The true kid got hurt last Sunday and did not play in the true
Madlax game or the Sunday game. Hope he gets better soon. He’s a great player.
Why go to NY to play in a c/b level tournament, when your hometown team is playing the top 2 Teams in the country? By teams, I mean players you play with all year gearing up to play these top teams. Not a recruit/patch/load up a 30 man roster and play in mostly weak tournaments running up the score with double holdbacks.
Great players/teammates would never do it. Teammates and friends and been abandoned a couple times. Parents and kids are disturbed by it, coaches should be ashamed if they allow it. Unless it’s a recruiting strategy for the fly ins for next year!
The LI tournament that they played in was an AA tournament and featured 4 top 10 ranked teams. The games this weekend had no bearing on whether True made the playoffs.
The true kid got hurt last Sunday and did not play in the true
Madlax game or the Sunday game. Hope he gets better soon. He’s a great player.
Why go to NY to play in a c/b level tournament, when your hometown team is playing the top 2 Teams in the country? By teams, I mean players you play with all year gearing up to play these top teams. Not a recruit/patch/load up a 30 man roster and play in mostly weak tournaments running up the score with double holdbacks.
Great players/teammates would never do it. Teammates and friends and been abandoned a couple times. Parents and kids are disturbed by it, coaches should be ashamed if they allow it. Unless it’s a recruiting strategy for the fly ins for next year!
A lot of unnecessary analysis about a 6th grader and his decisions. Maybe time best spent doing something productive.
[quote=Anonymous]
The LI tournament that they played in was an AA tournament and featured 4 top 10 ranked teams. The games this weekend had no bearing on whether True made the playoffs.
3 top 10 teams.
My Elite best for Hoco reg season.
Goalie=Hawks; Defense=ML; Midfield=Hawks; Attack=FCA; FO=Hawks
Playoffs. NL(-4). Vs True, Hawks(-1). Vs. ML
You’re right about all of this except for defense. That has to got to hawks. They consistently keep a madlax team who drops double digits on everyone to 5 or so goals. ML defense is very stout. And very good. But let’s be honest. Hawks defense is strong
[quote=Anonymous]
The LI tournament that they played in was an AA tournament and featured 4 top 10 ranked teams. The games this weekend had no bearing on whether True made the playoffs.
3 top 10 teams.
Frankly they had to play in that event. They are only ranked 1 Because they played (and lost to) hawks. But since they beat the tar out of a hundred terrible teams the algorithm puts them in first.
But they knew they couldn’t hold that ranking if they didn’t stack a couple wins against supposed top ten teams. That team is all about the rankings. Nothing else. Look how fast they posted being ranked number one even though they lost to hawks who also recently beat madlax at the time. Zero shame in that dirty organization.
Totally fluid roster of four hundred. Constantly asking kids to play in events even if that kid isn’t a rostered player.
Teams like this shouldn’t even be in the convo.
[quote=Anonymous]
The LI tournament that they played in was an AA tournament and featured 4 top 10 ranked teams. The games this weekend had no bearing on whether True made the playoffs.
3 top 10 teams.
Frankly they had to play in that event. They are only ranked 1 Because they played (and lost to) hawks. But since they beat the tar out of a hundred terrible teams the algorithm puts them in first.
But they knew they couldn’t hold that ranking if they didn’t stack a couple wins against supposed top ten teams. That team is all about the rankings. Nothing else. Look how fast they posted being ranked number one even though they lost to hawks who also recently beat madlax at the time. Zero shame in that dirty organization.
Totally fluid roster of four hundred. Constantly asking kids to play in events even if that kid isn’t a rostered player.
Teams like this shouldn’t even be in the convo.
They should not, I agree. Too bad tournament organizers won’t keep them out. If you got all of them on board they’d be forced out of business. It’s complete nonsense they are allowed into anything.
91MD performance this spring across age groups... Curious if there are any 91 parents on this forum -- do they see development in their kids (honest question, as there's really only one "elite level" option in Balitmore County (FCA), especially with Crabs unlikely to field a viable team next year....or maybe even any team at all.)
Team 91MD Spring HoCo
2027 2 wins - 5 losses; GF 59; GA 64
2028 1 win - 6 losses; GF 30; GA 74
2029 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 21; GA 92
2030 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 25; GA 84
2031 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 6; GA 134
2032, 2033 - no team
Total GF - 141
Total GA - 448
Average score per game...13 - 4
What do mean by "Elite"? Traditional Club? There are other team in BC that could beat Team 91 with those records. Is MM just not as interested in developing Lacrosse Clubs and Players now that his sons are aging out an heading to college? Just a thought. Maybe he focused has shifted.
What do mean by "Elite"? Traditional Club? There are other team in BC that could beat Team 91 with those records. Is MM just not as interested in developing Lacrosse Clubs and Players now that his sons are aging out an heading to college? Just a thought. Maybe he focused has shifted.
Former Team 91 parent here. He never, never showed up for any team practices to help out at them other than his sons. The prices were reasonable but they never did the practices you need. They only do 4-5 in the fall, nothing really in the winter, and 2 a week in the spring. Hawks does 3 in the spring as I understand it. If you're trying to make an elite team you need that extra focus time. He and Austin were never willing to put that money commitment and time in for the TEAM focus. You see this again and again with teams. If you're at starting you need to work extra hard or as much as the other elites.
And you can talk about all the extra skill stuff. That's nice but when the middie hero runs at the goal because they don't know how to do a team offense, that's a problem. And that was happening with their long-term players, not just kids who just joined. Quite sure he managed that on the 24/25 team.
91MD performance this spring across age groups... Curious if there are any 91 parents on this forum -- do they see development in their kids (honest question, as there's really only one "elite level" option in Balitmore County (FCA), especially with Crabs unlikely to field a viable team next year....or maybe even any team at all.)
Team 91MD Spring HoCo
2027 2 wins - 5 losses; GF 59; GA 64
2028 1 win - 6 losses; GF 30; GA 74
2029 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 21; GA 92
2030 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 25; GA 84
2031 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 6; GA 134
2032, 2033 - no team
Total GF - 141
Total GA - 448
Average score per game...13 - 4
I would say that you have to throw in LTLC and True Baltimore now at this age group. LTLC is a good team that beat MADLAX 2029's. Top 5 2029's in Baltimore County in my opinion:
1. FCA
2. LTLC
3. TRUE Baltimore
4. Predators
5. Team 91 MD
**I'm fairly certain that Crabs will field a 2029 team next year. Will LTLC move over? Will they have 2028's drop down? Who will they make 2029 coach?
91MD performance this spring across age groups... Curious if there are any 91 parents on this forum -- do they see development in their kids (honest question, as there's really only one "elite level" option in Balitmore County (FCA), especially with Crabs unlikely to field a viable team next year....or maybe even any team at all.)
Team 91MD Spring HoCo
2027 2 wins - 5 losses; GF 59; GA 64
2028 1 win - 6 losses; GF 30; GA 74
2029 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 21; GA 92
2030 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 25; GA 84
2031 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 6; GA 134
2032, 2033 - no team
Total GF - 141
Total GA - 448
Average score per game...13 - 4
I would say that you have to throw in LTLC and True Baltimore now at this age group. LTLC is a good team that beat MADLAX 2029's. Top 5 2029's in Baltimore County in my opinion:
1. FCA
2. LTLC
3. TRUE Baltimore
4. Predators
5. Team 91 MD
**I'm fairly certain that Crabs will field a 2029 team next year. Will LTLC move over? Will they have 2028's drop down? Who will they make 2029 coach?
I heard that True Baltimore is going to shift some of the top "Green" team players over to the "Black" team next year. That might propel the black team into a position where they could actively compete at Elite next year.
91MD performance this spring across age groups... Curious if there are any 91 parents on this forum -- do they see development in their kids (honest question, as there's really only one "elite level" option in Balitmore County (FCA), especially with Crabs unlikely to field a viable team next year....or maybe even any team at all.)
Team 91MD Spring HoCo
2027 2 wins - 5 losses; GF 59; GA 64
2028 1 win - 6 losses; GF 30; GA 74
2029 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 21; GA 92
2030 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 25; GA 84
2031 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 6; GA 134
2032, 2033 - no team
Total GF - 141
Total GA - 448
Average score per game...13 - 4
I would say that you have to throw in LTLC and True Baltimore now at this age group. LTLC is a good team that beat MADLAX 2029's. Top 5 2029's in Baltimore County in my opinion:
1. FCA
2. LTLC
3. TRUE Baltimore
4. Predators
5. Team 91 MD
**I'm fairly certain that Crabs will field a 2029 team next year. Will LTLC move over? Will they have 2028's drop down? Who will they make 2029 coach?
I heard that True Baltimore is going to shift some of the top "Green" team players over to the "Black" team next year. That might propel the black team into a position where they could actively compete at Elite next year.
Thanks True Dad
91MD performance this spring across age groups... Curious if there are any 91 parents on this forum -- do they see development in their kids (honest question, as there's really only one "elite level" option in Balitmore County (FCA), especially with Crabs unlikely to field a viable team next year....or maybe even any team at all.)
Team 91MD Spring HoCo
2027 2 wins - 5 losses; GF 59; GA 64
2028 1 win - 6 losses; GF 30; GA 74
2029 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 21; GA 92
2030 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 25; GA 84
2031 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 6; GA 134
2032, 2033 - no team
Total GF - 141
Total GA - 448
Average score per game...13 - 4
I would say that you have to throw in LTLC and True Baltimore now at this age group. LTLC is a good team that beat MADLAX 2029's. Top 5 2029's in Baltimore County in my opinion:
1. FCA
2. LTLC
3. TRUE Baltimore
4. Predators
5. Team 91 MD
**I'm fairly certain that Crabs will field a 2029 team next year. Will LTLC move over? Will they have 2028's drop down? Who will they make 2029 coach?
I heard that True Baltimore is going to shift some of the top "Green" team players over to the "Black" team next year. That might propel the black team into a position where they could actively compete at Elite next year.
Bless your heart.
Another epic hawks and madlax battle today. Hope the hawks can finish the task.
NL and true was hard to watch. Great effort, not great lacrosse.
91MD performance this spring across age groups... Curious if there are any 91 parents on this forum -- do they see development in their kids (honest question, as there's really only one "elite level" option in Balitmore County (FCA), especially with Crabs unlikely to field a viable team next year....or maybe even any team at all.)
Team 91MD Spring HoCo
2027 2 wins - 5 losses; GF 59; GA 64
2028 1 win - 6 losses; GF 30; GA 74
2029 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 21; GA 92
2030 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 25; GA 84
2031 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 6; GA 134
2032, 2033 - no team
Total GF - 141
Total GA - 448
Average score per game...13 - 4
I would say that you have to throw in LTLC and True Baltimore now at this age group. LTLC is a good team that beat MADLAX 2029's. Top 5 2029's in Baltimore County in my opinion:
1. FCA
2. LTLC
3. TRUE Baltimore
4. Predators
5. Team 91 MD
**I'm fairly certain that Crabs will field a 2029 team next year. Will LTLC move over? Will they have 2028's drop down? Who will they make 2029 coach?
I heard that True Baltimore is going to shift some of the top "Green" team players over to the "Black" team next year. That might propel the black team into a position where they could actively compete at Elite next year.
Bless your heart.
Couldn’t even seal the deal in AAA and they are already chirping about being Elite. Classic
Congrats to the Hawks. Looks like the championship game was really yesterday.
On to the summer tourneys!!
Congrats to the Hawks. Looks like the championship game was really yesterday.
On to the summer tourneys!!
Congrats to Hawks..........any analysis or highlights from those who watched? What was the final score?
Looks like PREDS is now going to be in the ELITE Division next year!!! Does True also want to bump up??
Do they make it a 10 team division........or bump down who: Team 91? LTLC? VLC?.........also don't forget about CRABS!!
Congrats to the Hawks. Looks like the championship game was really yesterday.
On to the summer tourneys!!
Congrats to Hawks..........any analysis or highlights from those who watched? What was the final score?
1 goal diff at half. Hawks ran away with it in the 4th. Good game. Final was 11-4
Congratulations to the Hawks. They were the most consistent team in the league by far. #notahawksdad
Which of the 2029 Elite teams are not coached by Dads? Just trying to get my son away from "Daddy" ball as tries to improve his game and make an elite team next year.
Which of the 2029 Elite teams are not coached by Dads? Just trying to get my son away from "Daddy" ball as tries to improve his game and make an elite team next year.
You can't escape them. Best of luck and would look for a team that focuses together and not just starters.
Um just because a Dad coaches a team doesn't mean the team isn't elite. Maybe have your kid improve by getting extra practice in, outside of team practice.Extra reps and extra commitment will make him better. Unless you truly believe that by being on a elite team you automatically become better. There's a reason he is not on one now.
I like my son’s dad coach. He played high level ball in college, played pro, knows his stuff, and my kid has gotten better. Plus at this level they are more invested. I’ll take that over the alternative thanks.
Um just because a Dad coaches a team doesn't mean the team isn't elite. Maybe have your kid improve by getting extra practice in, outside of team practice.Extra reps and extra commitment will make him better. Unless you truly believe that by being on a elite team you automatically become better. There's a reason he is not on one now.
This is a good thread….
Honest question… I’ve heard that elite club’s generally are great at developing talent but rather at recruiting it. That would kind of make sense as it’s much easier to get a more talented player than it is to coach/motivate an existing player to become great.
Do you agree?
And if so, what clubs do you think do a great job of developing players?
I do agree. A couple of things to think about. What is your/Son's ultimate goal. Look at the coach's experience beyond their age group. Watch how coaches coach, is it with fear and developmentally appropriate. Watch their games.Try to stay away from the marketing you might see. I have seen players want to play for a team because of the swag they use to promote their team and how it looks. What do you want to spend? How far do you want to drive (for playing time or no playing time)? If you look at the top 5/6 teams in the elite division I think you can find something for you. Each team provides something good for player development. Look beyond how many wins they have.
Um just because a Dad coaches a team doesn't mean the team isn't elite. Maybe have your kid improve by getting extra practice in, outside of team practice.Extra reps and extra commitment will make him better. Unless you truly believe that by being on a elite team you automatically become better. There's a reason he is not on one now.
This is a good thread….
Honest question… I’ve heard that elite club’s generally are great at developing talent but rather at recruiting it. That would kind of make sense as it’s much easier to get a more talented player than it is to coach/motivate an existing player to become great.
Do you agree?
And if so, what clubs do you think do a great job of developing players?
I don't think clubs develop players. Clubs can provide an opportunity and environment where the player can develop. Ultimately whether a player develops is based on their motivation, athleticism, playing IQ, and opportunity. What the elite clubs provide is the opportunity to play with/against higher level players. Reps against better players enable development more than reps against lesser players.
I do think coaching matters but probably not as much as most believe. Don't expect a coach to motivate a player or improve their athleticism. They can help with playing IQ but they can't dedicate a ton of time to any particular player. What they can provide is lots of meaningful reps so a player can figure out what works and what doesn't in an environment without fear. I don't think elite clubs necessarily have any better coaches. Best bet is to find a parent on a team and ask them about the environment, pace of practices, and depth chart.
I think daddy ball is evident at all levels. And you can’t avoid it.
Most kids still get better under daddy coaches. Most of the daddy coach kids can really play. So it’s a two sided coin. There are however a couple more notable cases in the elite level however, where daddy’s think their kid is way better than they are and it’s keeping other from flourishing and teams from being their very best. Even on teams with the highest of rankings…
This also leads to lack of talent being willing to come try out for those positions.
Pretty sure that most of the tops 2029 Elite level teams have Dad's as coaches (Hawks, Madlax, FCA, True, LTLC)
Interesting announcement yesterday with "age verification" coming for NLF teams and NLF Tournaments through USA Lacrosse. Article:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...ce-partnership-on-age-verification/61589Looks like the first class to be impacted will be the 2029's and it does not apply to kids once they get into high school.
1. Will HOCO follow these rules and implement change as well?
2. Do you see most teams aligning to this? I believe only Crabs and Madlax are official teams / affiliates of the NLF.
3. Which 2029 Elite team would be impacted the most? Not sure who has the most holdbacks and would lose players.
Although all these NLF teams are now coming out saying they support this and wanted this the entire time (other than CRABS probably), my understanding is that this was a money $$$ based decision. Event managers know that if this was going to happen, whomever got their "Age verification" process up and running first could have a pipeline for millions of $$$ annually coming in. From what I heard 3STEP lacrosse was close to having a big announcement coming and True Lacrosse was also in the process of working on something. By coming out first, USA Lacrosse and NLF partnerships (whatever that looks like....I'm sure NLF is getting a BIG CUT)....they get a jump and could possibly be the technology leaders in this.
Interesting announcement yesterday with "age verification" coming for NLF teams and NLF Tournaments through USA Lacrosse. Article:
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...ce-partnership-on-age-verification/61589Looks like the first class to be impacted will be the 2029's and it does not apply to kids once they get into high school.
1. Will HOCO follow these rules and implement change as well?
2. Do you see most teams aligning to this? I believe only Crabs and Madlax are official teams / affiliates of the NLF.
3. Which 2029 Elite team would be impacted the most? Not sure who has the most holdbacks and would lose players.
Although all these NLF teams are now coming out saying they support this and wanted this the entire time (other than CRABS probably), my understanding is that this was a money $$$ based decision. Event managers know that if this was going to happen, whomever got their "Age verification" process up and running first could have a pipeline for millions of $$$ annually coming in. From what I heard 3STEP lacrosse was close to having a big announcement coming and True Lacrosse was also in the process of working on something. By coming out first, USA Lacrosse and NLF partnerships (whatever that looks like....I'm sure NLF is getting a BIG CUT)....they get a jump and could possibly be the technology leaders in this.
You are definitely right that money is a big part of this. Both in revenues for the age verification process AND in reducing liability. US Lacrosse hasn't announced it yet but concussions are WAY up in the sport puting it on par with wrestling and football. By not addressing the obvious safety issues associated with biological 13 year olds hitting 11 year olds, the sport is exposed to excessive liability.
I believe all of the reputable A and AA level tournaments will adopt age verification in some form.
91MD performance this spring across age groups... Curious if there are any 91 parents on this forum -- do they see development in their kids (honest question, as there's really only one "elite level" option in Balitmore County (FCA), especially with Crabs unlikely to field a viable team next year....or maybe even any team at all.)
Team 91MD Spring HoCo
2027 2 wins - 5 losses; GF 59; GA 64
2028 1 win - 6 losses; GF 30; GA 74
2029 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 21; GA 92
2030 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 25; GA 84
2031 0 wins - 7 losses; GF 6; GA 134
2032, 2033 - no team
Total GF - 141
Total GA - 448
Average score per game...13 - 4
LOL these numbers were the same last year. Club lax in general does not do a good job of developing kids. And these consistent results show that 91 ranks down there with several A/B level club teams in that regard. Development happens as a result of school sports, cross training in other sports, individual coaching, the onset of adolescence, and the number of hours the kid spends with a stick in his hands.....not necessarily on a sideline during drills ("The 1st line is drilling 6v6!") or during games. Nor is it simply "more reps" if the quality of the reps are [Censored].
And of course, a reminder here that in most cases (FCA, NL, Hawks, ML seem to be exceptions), elite youth rosters will get completely gutted before 8th, 9th, and 10th grades to make room for boarding school kids from out of state. Two facts about that:
1) The fact that the elite clubs do this at such a scale really points out that they're not truly "developing" local kids for "elite high schools" or whatever.
2) A lot of the kids on elite clubs entered private schools at Kindergarten or before, but rest assured this will not stop their 8th grade club from advertising that they "developed those kids to be accepted to HS" where they are already attending and guaranteed a spot.
Which Clubs will follow the age based rules???
Whick elite club will be hit the hardest?
Don’t they all have to follow the rules? Just a guess but
FCA
NEXT LEVEL
Those two appear to have the largest number of older kids. But maybe just good genetics. We will find out this fall
Neither has any reason to change course, not NLF affiliates. HOCO could be the driver in enforcing in the DMV, Crabs and ML will folllow with NLF ties, Hawks, NL, and others don't yet have a forcing function.
I think daddy ball is evident at all levels. And you can’t avoid it.
Most kids still get better under daddy coaches. Most of the daddy coach kids can really play. So it’s a two sided coin. There are however a couple more notable cases in the elite level however, where daddy’s think their kid is way better than they are and it’s keeping other from flourishing and teams from being their very best. Even on teams with the highest of rankings…
This also leads to lack of talent being willing to come try out for those positions.
See: Madlax 2028. Daddy Coach, kid shouldn’t be on the field.
Will any current 2029 holdbacks make the summer switch to their 2028 teams to get a jump on the competition?
Don’t they all have to follow the rules? Just a guess but
FCA
NEXT LEVEL
Those two appear to have the largest number of older kids. But maybe just good genetics. We will find out this fall
FCA has at MOST 1-2 kids that will be affected.
FCA definitely has 1. The question I have once they holdback go to the appropriate age group will they be able to keep up because they have been playing at a younger level. I have a feeling it's going to be a rude awakening for some of these holdback players. They will no longer be the "Big Dogs". I still believe that to be better you have to play up,.
FCA definitely has 1. The question I have once they holdback go to the appropriate age group will they be able to keep up because they have been playing at a younger level. I have a feeling it's going to be a rude awakening for some of these holdback players. They will no longer be the "Big Dogs". I still believe that to be better you have to play up,.
It will be especially difficult because the 28 age group is still loaded with 27s who are exempt from the rule change. So the 29 holdback who returns to 28 will be competing with a bunch of kids 2 years older than they are used to.
Hmmmm. tables turned. [Censored] right. not having a choice like all the other 29s playing against your child this year
I think daddy ball is evident at all levels. And you can’t avoid it.
Most kids still get better under daddy coaches. Most of the daddy coach kids can really play. So it’s a two sided coin. There are however a couple more notable cases in the elite level however, where daddy’s think their kid is way better than they are and it’s keeping other from flourishing and teams from being their very best. Even on teams with the highest of rankings…
This also leads to lack of talent being willing to come try out for those positions.
See: Madlax 2028. Daddy Coach, kid shouldn’t be on the field.
Same with MadLax 2027 but even worse.
I think daddy ball is evident at all levels. And you can’t avoid it.
Most kids still get better under daddy coaches. Most of the daddy coach kids can really play. So it’s a two sided coin. There are however a couple more notable cases in the elite level however, where daddy’s think their kid is way better than they are and it’s keeping other from flourishing and teams from being their very best. Even on teams with the highest of rankings…
This also leads to lack of talent being willing to come try out for those positions.
See: Madlax 2028. Daddy Coach, kid shouldn’t be on the field.
Same with MadLax 2027 but even worse.
Can’t possibly be any worse than at 2028
FCA definitely has 1. The question I have once they holdback go to the appropriate age group will they be able to keep up because they have been playing at a younger level. I have a feeling it's going to be a rude awakening for some of these holdback players. They will no longer be the "Big Dogs". I still believe that to be better you have to play up,.
It will be especially difficult because the 28 age group is still loaded with 27s who are exempt from the rule change. So the 29 holdback who returns to 28 will be competing with a bunch of kids 2 years older than they are used to.
I can hear dad now….can you take my boy back. We reclassed and now we need to return to be average. Sorry call True.
Pretty awkward.
Moving on since none of it impacts this summer. Nlf has a decent lineup. Thoughts?
Pretty awkward.
Moving on since none of it impacts this summer. Nlf has a decent lineup. Thoughts?
All roads go through the Hawks
Looks like that road rolled through MD and ended up in Boston
Interesting past weekend........
1. NLF Summer Kick-Off: Hawks beat Laxachusetts, but then Laxachusetts gets them back at them in the semi-finals.
2. LTLC loses to SJ Shamrocks in Championship game of Trilogy Turning Point. Had to be a major dissapoint.
Any insight on either game?
Pretty awkward.
Moving on since none of it impacts this summer. Nlf has a decent lineup. Thoughts?
All roads go through the Hawks
If they decide to cut the dead weight and remove the daddy ball.
LTLC seemed to dominate throughout the tournament. Watched most of the championship game. First half was close with good play from LTLC they looked like they would run away with it. Second half was sloppy with a lot of trouble clearing the ball to the offense. I think it was just a bad game for LTLC. Very uncommon. Not sure where they head next in tournament season.
The LTLC to Crabs rumor may be true. LTLC had a Crabs 28 attackman (who is a 29 on-age player) with them the whole tournament. Even with the addition, LTLC continued its offensive challenges that has been with them all year. More goals against than goals scored this year. And only scored roughly half-to-two-thirds the goals in HoCo that the top tier scored (Hawks, Next Level, MadLax, FCA). They seem overcoached from the sidelines instead of letting their boys play. It will be interesting to see if more Crabs show up for LTLC as the summer goes on.
KP had a really strong weekend, beating the "AAA" HoCo Champs Preds.
I think the LTLC rumor may just be a rumor. Until we see that LTLC doesn't field a 29 team and crabs does then the rumor may not be a rumor. Also summer tournament teams seem to have guest players and hybrids of teams.
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
FCA definitely has 1. The question I have once they holdback go to the appropriate age group will they be able to keep up because they have been playing at a younger level. I have a feeling it's going to be a rude awakening for some of these holdback players. They will no longer be the "Big Dogs". I still believe that to be better you have to play up,.
Imagine you're a tall 2028 in 6th grade, and hold back a year, making you a giant 2029. Now having to go back and be a very average size and speed 2028 since even the late bloomer 2028s have now started to grow. Wont be fun.
Interesting past weekend........
1. NLF Summer Kick-Off: Hawks beat Laxachusetts, but then Laxachusetts gets them back at them in the semi-finals.
2. LTLC loses to SJ Shamrocks in Championship game of Trilogy Turning Point. Had to be a major dissapoint.
Any insight on either game?
Watched some of Hawks/laxachusetts games. Laxachusetts are big, fast and athletic, Hawks are small, fast and physical. Hawks were the better team on Saturday by far. Laxachusetts did a good job regrouping and clearly out coached Hawks on Sunday. Laxachusetts capitalized on the Hawks mistakes with possession and a couple goals, nothing spectacular. Looked to me like Hawks couldn’t handle the defensive pressure, was waiting to be told what to do and had many unforced turnovers. Was shocked to see all Hawks turnovers and Laxachusetts not capitalize more, could have been ugly.
LTLC was also playing without there top middie who was sick from what I heard.
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
So if I live in Baltimore County I now get to pick from the following 9 teams......I guess LTLC could dismantle if they join Crabs, but clearly Crabs is going to give it another go this year with tryouts. How would you rank them? And curious which ones have Dad coaches?
Team 91 MD 2029
Crabs 2029
LTLC 2029
FCA 2029
Predators 2029
True Baltimore Black 2029
True Baltimore Green 2029
Carroll Manor 2029
Kelly Post 2029
Live in PA and considering trying out for one of these teams this year.
I think the only thing folks will agree on is that FCA would be ranked first and 91MD would be ranked dead last. You will have a hard time finding anyone outside of an anonymous discussion board with anything positive to say about 91MD, especially families that have been part of their 2029 program. Most would probably agree that FCA and Preds have the best development. Both benefit from great coaching and resources. FCA is also able to bring in stars/role models as huddle leaders and for "included" development sessions (such as John Grant Jr.), and their results this year speak for themselves. Preds head coach is a non-parent coach that is Defensive Coordinator for McDonough, and they have a dad assistant that might be the best coach overall at this age group. Both are coaches that the kids absolutely adore. Preds seems to be really developing their kids and won AAA in HoCo this year. Carrol Manor is another that has a dad coach that the team (and parents) seem to love, and whose team continues to improve drastically every year. Extremely solid option, especially if coming from PA. LTLC probably has the most talent of any of the Baltimore-area teams, although it seems that they have underperformed the most of any team this year by a wide margin (two really bad losses to Shamrocks and Dukes, only scraped by Team 91MD by a goal, and blowout losses to FCA, Next Level, Hawks and MadLax (in the spring). Considering they have the talent to beat MadLax once, all those other results raise lots of questions on their program.)
I think the only thing folks will agree on is that FCA would be ranked first and 91MD would be ranked dead last. You will have a hard time finding anyone outside of an anonymous discussion board with anything positive to say about 91MD, especially families that have been part of their 2029 program. Most would probably agree that FCA and Preds have the best development. Both benefit from great coaching and resources. FCA is also able to bring in stars/role models as huddle leaders and for "included" development sessions (such as John Grant Jr.), and their results this year speak for themselves. Preds head coach is a non-parent coach that is Defensive Coordinator for McDonough, and they have a dad assistant that might be the best coach overall at this age group. Both are coaches that the kids absolutely adore. Preds seems to be really developing their kids and won AAA in HoCo this year. Carrol Manor is another that has a dad coach that the team (and parents) seem to love, and whose team continues to improve drastically every year. Extremely solid option, especially if coming from PA. LTLC probably has the most talent of any of the Baltimore-area teams, although it seems that they have underperformed the most of any team this year by a wide margin (two really bad losses to Shamrocks and Dukes, only scraped by Team 91MD by a goal, and blowout losses to FCA, Next Level, Hawks and MadLax (in the spring). Considering they have the talent to beat MadLax once, all those other results raise lots of questions on their program.)
The Preds 2029 team keeps a low roster number. Probably another reason they have a lot of success. Any roster with more than 22 kids should raise a Red Flag.
Is that why Predators went 0-3 this past weekend?
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
So if I live in Baltimore County I now get to pick from the following 9 teams......I guess LTLC could dismantle if they join Crabs, but clearly Crabs is going to give it another go this year with tryouts. How would you rank them? And curious which ones have Dad coaches?
Team 91 MD 2029
Crabs 2029
LTLC 2029
FCA 2029
Predators 2029
True Baltimore Black 2029
True Baltimore Green 2029
Carroll Manor 2029
Kelly Post 2029
Live in PA and considering trying out for one of these teams this year.
If you are looking for club level play, you can shorten that list at 5. Below that is rec ball or rec ball at club prices.
Do we have dueling program directors anonymously posting here…like right now?
Do we have dueling program directors anonymously posting here…like right now?
Not even close. Just someone who has been in this game long enough to share a cautionary tale that I wish someone would have shared with us. But if you want to make something else out of it, by all means…
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
So if I live in Baltimore County I now get to pick from the following 9 teams......I guess LTLC could dismantle if they join Crabs, but clearly Crabs is going to give it another go this year with tryouts. How would you rank them? And curious which ones have Dad coaches?
Team 91 MD 2029
Crabs 2029
LTLC 2029
FCA 2029
Predators 2029
True Baltimore Black 2029
True Baltimore Green 2029
Carroll Manor 2029
Kelly Post 2029
Live in PA and considering trying out for one of these teams this year.
If you are looking for club level play, you can shorten that list at 5. Below that is rec ball or rec ball at club prices.
Disagree on shortening list at 5. Can't be repeated enough - no way 91MD is a "club level" program in their youth teams. 3-32 overall HoCo record wihtin their program this past year is an accurate reflection on this club's health - and the games weren't close (average score was 13-4 agaisnt them.) There's a reason they are called "Team 91" - they lose 91% of their games! Very very little resources and development put in to the boys. No way they would make the list of "club level program". Any option on that list is much better than 91MD - their business model is not sustainable.
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
So if I live in Baltimore County I now get to pick from the following 9 teams......I guess LTLC could dismantle if they join Crabs, but clearly Crabs is going to give it another go this year with tryouts. How would you rank them? And curious which ones have Dad coaches?
Team 91 MD 2029
Crabs 2029
LTLC 2029
FCA 2029
Predators 2029
True Baltimore Black 2029
True Baltimore Green 2029
Carroll Manor 2029
Kelly Post 2029
Live in PA and considering trying out for one of these teams this year.
If you are looking for club level play, you can shorten that list at 5. Below that is rec ball or rec ball at club prices.
Disagree on shortening list at 5. Can't be repeated enough - no way 91MD is a "club level" program in their youth teams. 3-32 overall HoCo record wihtin their program this past year is an accurate reflection on this club's health - and the games weren't close (average score was 13-4 agaisnt them.) There's a reason they are called "Team 91" - they lose 91% of their games! Very very little resources and development put in to the boys. No way they would make the list of "club level program". Any option on that list is much better than 91MD - their business model is not sustainable.
Fair assesment. I’ll stand by my opinion on the rest though. So the list is 4 IMO, FWIW.
Any tourney results for the weekend?
Saw that Next Level won Platinum Cup, LTLC won Summer Exposure, and Hawks won NAL.
Saw that Next Level won Platinum Cup, LTLC won Summer Exposure, and Hawks won NAL.
Hawks proving that they are the #1 team in the country for sure! Don't count National teams.
Saw that Next Level won Platinum Cup, LTLC won Summer Exposure, and Hawks won NAL.
Hawks proving that they are the #1 team in the country for sure! Don't count National teams.
Funny that so few Hawks teams played Hogan Summer exp. My sons team destroyed a "national team" that was a totally different team in the fall.
Isn't Hawks owned by Hogan? Guess it's not important to have teams be represented in their own tournaments?
Saw that Next Level won Platinum Cup, LTLC won Summer Exposure, and Hawks won NAL.
Hawks proving that they are the #1 team in the country for sure! Don't count National teams.
Funny that so few Hawks teams played Hogan Summer exp. My sons team destroyed a "national team" that was a totally different team in the fall.
Summer exposure is B level.
Does Hogan have an a level Tournament for 29's
What tournaments is everyone on this weekend?
NL is doing a B level tourney at the beach for some reason
Tourney results for the weekend?
NL easily cleaned up at their tournament.
LTLC took control and seemed to dominate.
Hawks did not play.
Love hearing about Md teams representing.
True Baltimore, KP, and Preds teams did not show well.
Madlax FCA play in colorado on starting the 20th. CedTEW
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
So if I live in Baltimore County I now get to pick from the following 9 teams......I guess LTLC could dismantle if they join Crabs, but clearly Crabs is going to give it another go this year with tryouts. How would you rank them? And curious which ones have Dad coaches?
Team 91 MD 2029
Crabs 2029
LTLC 2029
FCA 2029
Predators 2029
True Baltimore Black 2029
True Baltimore Green 2029
Carroll Manor 2029
Kelly Post 2029
Live in PA and considering trying out for one of these teams this year.
If you are looking for club level play, you can shorten that list at 5. Below that is rec ball or rec ball at club prices.
Disagree on shortening list at 5. Can't be repeated enough - no way 91MD is a "club level" program in their youth teams. 3-32 overall HoCo record wihtin their program this past year is an accurate reflection on this club's health - and the games weren't close (average score was 13-4 agaisnt them.) There's a reason they are called "Team 91" - they lose 91% of their games! Very very little resources and development put in to the boys. No way they would make the list of "club level program". Any option on that list is much better than 91MD - their business model is not sustainable.
Fair assesment. I’ll stand by my opinion on the rest though. So the list is 4 IMO, FWIW.
Also from PA considering trying out for one of these teams. So for someone new to MD lacrosse, how would you rank these BC programs? It seems FCA and Preds are top choices. Then who? LTLC? Crabs? ????
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
So if I live in Baltimore County I now get to pick from the following 9 teams......I guess LTLC could dismantle if they join Crabs, but clearly Crabs is going to give it another go this year with tryouts. How would you rank them? And curious which ones have Dad coaches?
Team 91 MD 2029
Crabs 2029
LTLC 2029
FCA 2029
Predators 2029
True Baltimore Black 2029
True Baltimore Green 2029
Carroll Manor 2029
Kelly Post 2029
Live in PA and considering trying out for one of these teams this year.
If you are looking for club level play, you can shorten that list at 5. Below that is rec ball or rec ball at club prices.
Disagree on shortening list at 5. Can't be repeated enough - no way 91MD is a "club level" program in their youth teams. 3-32 overall HoCo record wihtin their program this past year is an accurate reflection on this club's health - and the games weren't close (average score was 13-4 agaisnt them.) There's a reason they are called "Team 91" - they lose 91% of their games! Very very little resources and development put in to the boys. No way they would make the list of "club level program". Any option on that list is much better than 91MD - their business model is not sustainable.
Fair assesment. I’ll stand by my opinion on the rest though. So the list is 4 IMO, FWIW.
Also from PA considering trying out for one of these teams. So for someone new to MD lacrosse, how would you rank these BC programs? It seems FCA and Preds are top choices. Then who? LTLC? Crabs? ????
I'd say........#1 - FCA, #2 - Predators, #3 - True Baltimore
It's honestly hard to rank LTLC with all the changes coming down the pipeline. They are playing as CRABS this weekend, so obviously transitioning over in the near future. Can't imagine that half those LTLC kids won't make CRABS once they full transition.
Crabs has a 2029 team listed for tryouts in a few weeks so they must be moving forward to put a team together of some sort. I know my son has a friend on LTLC and they are playing in a couple events this summer as Crabs 2029. The are listed for Crabfeast 2029 division:
2029
ADVNC
Crabs
Eclipse
FL Crabs
Leading Edge
Patriot Elite Chrome
Primetime
Team 91 Thunder
Thunder Blue
VLC See
Also, the said 2028 crabs "guest player" for LTLC was the coach listed for Crabs 2029 last season when they tried to assemble a team and failed. Such a confusing situation. Guessing we will start to hear a lot of LTLC parent rumblings and get more clarity on it all soon.
So if I live in Baltimore County I now get to pick from the following 9 teams......I guess LTLC could dismantle if they join Crabs, but clearly Crabs is going to give it another go this year with tryouts. How would you rank them? And curious which ones have Dad coaches?
Team 91 MD 2029
Crabs 2029
LTLC 2029
FCA 2029
Predators 2029
True Baltimore Black 2029
True Baltimore Green 2029
Carroll Manor 2029
Kelly Post 2029
Live in PA and considering trying out for one of these teams this year.
If you are looking for club level play, you can shorten that list at 5. Below that is rec ball or rec ball at club prices.
Disagree on shortening list at 5. Can't be repeated enough - no way 91MD is a "club level" program in their youth teams. 3-32 overall HoCo record wihtin their program this past year is an accurate reflection on this club's health - and the games weren't close (average score was 13-4 agaisnt them.) There's a reason they are called "Team 91" - they lose 91% of their games! Very very little resources and development put in to the boys. No way they would make the list of "club level program". Any option on that list is much better than 91MD - their business model is not sustainable.
Fair assesment. I’ll stand by my opinion on the rest though. So the list is 4 IMO, FWIW.
Also from PA considering trying out for one of these teams. So for someone new to MD lacrosse, how would you rank these BC programs? It seems FCA and Preds are top choices. Then who? LTLC? Crabs? ????
If your kid can play, just keep driving and make your way to Annapolis to the hawks. Way less drama, way less politics. Trust me, the extra drive time will be worth it when your kid is happy
Your rankings must not pay attention to actual head-to-head game scores.
True Baltimore should not be in the discussion. They are aaa at best when they play their best. Saw them play in 2 tournaments and couldn’tmake the playoffs or come close to them. LTLC is a
Solid program. Keeps getting better . I would place them top 1 and 2 in the Balt. Co. area with FCA. FCA and LTLC have a split record with each other. #not a parent of either
Hearing FCA, Predators 2 best players and even Lutherville have a few 2029s that are holdbacks and will need to drop down to the 2028 teams with the new rules.
Look at the club ranking by state (for what they’re worth).
True Baltimore should not be in the discussion. They are aaa at best when they play their best. Saw them play in 2 tournaments and couldn’tmake the playoffs or come close to them. LTLC is a
Solid program. Keeps getting better . I would place them top 1 and 2 in the Balt. Co. area with FCA. FCA and LTLC have a split record with each other. #not a parent of either
Press release.....LTLC won't exist anymore after this season. They are going to be playing in all tournaments as CRABS moving forward. The team is going to implode as they move over to CRABS. 2028 holdbacks coming down....people on current team unhappy with playing time....have the LTLC current roster will be finding new homes, and a new coach as they enter into 8th grade.
Thanks for the insight. We may come down for a couple of tryouts, but sounds like plenty of drama for sure.
If your new to this forum just remember it’s anonymous so people (usually 1 or 2 trolls) like to vent and cause a little drama. Take all with a grain of salt. Go to tryouts and find what fits for your kid. Ask the coaches plenty of questions and talk to parents to feel things out
What’s going on in Vail? Who are Suns?
Interesting to see what happens with age verification. Will change a lot. As for playing time you have to earn it on every team. Work harder, get ground balls, how will you you stand out. At this age you gotta get after it. It’s what you do off the field that will come out at practice. No team will give you time is you don’t perform and demonstrate you deserve the time
You have no clue what you’re talking about.There will be zero holdbacks going to the 29’s, everyone will be age appropriate.
Suns are a combo of WCS and Iron Horse Austin kids put together by rich IH dad / Terp alum who hired Bubba Fairman to coach.
Heard nationals once again played with a new roster and new talent. My take is that if national teams want to be ranked they have to do tryouts on September and bring the same team to the very event until the next tryouts. And just like other teams limit the “guest players” to let’s say 2 at any event.
But no one will even consider this because we all know national teams would fail with actual rules. Several of these teams have kids who play for several national teams. Meaning the same kids are contributing to multiple teams success.
Get all of these teams out of the rankings please.
Heard nationals once again played with a new roster and new talent. My take is that if national teams want to be ranked they have to do tryouts on September and bring the same team to the very event until the next tryouts. And just like other teams limit the “guest players” to let’s say 2 at any event.
But no one will even consider this because we all know national teams would fail with actual rules. Several of these teams have kids who play for several national teams. Meaning the same kids are contributing to multiple teams success.
Get all of these teams out of the rankings please.
Agree. No one is worse than Red Hots. But Nationals is pretty much just as bad. It’s a joke.
Heard nationals once again played with a new roster and new talent. My take is that if national teams want to be ranked they have to do tryouts on September and bring the same team to the very event until the next tryouts. And just like other teams limit the “guest players” to let’s say 2 at any event.
But no one will even consider this because we all know national teams would fail with actual rules. Several of these teams have kids who play for several national teams. Meaning the same kids are contributing to multiple teams success.
Get all of these teams out of the rankings please.
Agree to all of this. Can’t wait to watch them get destroyed at Naptown even with their guest players.
Heard nationals once again played with a new roster and new talent. My take is that if national teams want to be ranked they have to do tryouts on September and bring the same team to the very event until the next tryouts. And just like other teams limit the “guest players” to let’s say 2 at any event.
But no one will even consider this because we all know national teams would fail with actual rules. Several of these teams have kids who play for several national teams. Meaning the same kids are contributing to multiple teams success.
Get all of these teams out of the rankings please.
Agree to all of this. Can’t wait to watch them get destroyed at Naptown even with their guest players.
How often does Nationals cut kids? Seems like they have tryouts every 3 months. Does the roster just keep getting bigger? That must be hard for the kids and families that travel and keep getting bumped down the roster.
Nationals, LC is an embarrassment to club lacrosse. They showed up with a half roster of men to play 11/12 year old boys in the 2029 age group in Vail. Get a grip…total clown program.
The fact that parents enjoy watching their kids play for Nationals, LC and playing kids 2-3 years younger says it all. Imagine cheering for your kid playing kids much younger. Demented. Play your age, you will figure out if you kid is good or not. Whoever runs that club is all that has been wrong with club lacrosse.
Welcome to the age of birth certificates.
Next stop for Nationals, LC is putting PLL players on their “2029” roster for Naptown.
Next stop for Nationals, LC is putting PLL players on their “2029” roster for Naptown.
I don’t even care that they have holdbacks. I care that they poach at least one kid from every decent team they play at every event. And then let them play for free at the biggest events for free. Half won’t even come back.
If you’re playing in an event with that team present, expect your best players to be approached and offered a spot at the next event!
I mean come olay for the #1ranked team who was ranked near nowhere before they LOST to hawks. Hilarious.
Don’t get me wrong, they are good. But they only have like ten kids whose parents are notIntelligent enough to drop 10-15k a year traveling to all those training camps and tourneys. The rest of the team is put together week by week and they pretend it’s legit by carrying a 40 kid roster and 15 will be determined after they play on the next tourney.
Get. Them. Out. Of. The. Rankings
So is the Nationals team that plays in the circuit different than the summer team. I thought the circuit was age verified except for 2-3 exceptions (which is notIntelligent).
Fun lil fact check to all these National fans. Tryouts are coming
soon to Baltimore see ya there. However you should know with the new age rule coming there will not be any roster spots avaliable because they are ALL of age.
Come on guys this is a joke right ? The core of this team has
been together for 2 years. (No guest players and one eleven yo. In Vail ) Just to clear these adult rumors up.
This coming from the parents of organizations that have hundreds coming to tryouts I think it's a bit humorous. Some of these kids play on their local teams that get beat up by you all every year and never once do we cry or post. I mean don't you all have 2-3 teams at each age ? My 12 year old was super proud of his team and the job they did. See you guys at Naptown ( with the same group of children)
Oh and yes hopefully some PLL players want to come to camp. That would be a cool experience for the kids! That's a great idea, thank you.
Incoherently ranting however clueless on what the team actually is. Lost to an incredibly disciplined and well coached hawks team by a goal and should see them in the championship next week. Therefor mentioned hawks do the exact same thing. They recruit, they have hold backs on the older teams and have been doing it for years. The hawks fly people in like True and so many others, what's the difference? Look at the 22 naptown challenge winners if you dont believe me (or is this your oldest kid). That hawks team was comprised of 7 players that played for the hawks regularly the rest came from "MDLax" money. Mad that an organization is doing what everyone else does very well. My son has been approached by the hawks and several others over the years aka everyone does it some are just better at it !
Fact checker again... Haven't had a guest player in over a year (team was still being formed last time that happened), gotta tryout for this 29 team at a camp. Great job Natty coaches and organization for putting a team like this together it's been so much fun to watch these boys grow together! 🥍
Thank goodness the boys don't see this [Censored].
Fun lil fact check to all these National fans. Tryouts are coming
soon to Baltimore see ya there. However you should know with the new age rule coming there will not be any roster spots avaliable because they are ALL of age.
Come on guys this is a joke right ? The core of this team has
been together for 2 years. (No guest players and one eleven yo. In Vail ) Just to clear these adult rumors up.
This coming from the parents of organizations that have hundreds coming to tryouts I think it's a bit humorous. Some of these kids play on their local teams that get beat up by you all every year and never once do we cry or post. I mean don't you all have 2-3 teams at each age ? My 12 year old was super proud of his team and the job they did. See you guys at Naptown ( with the same group of children)
Oh and yes hopefully some PLL players want to come to camp. That would be a cool experience for the kids! That's a great idea, thank you.
Not a Nationals parent and in fact, my son plays for a team that lost to them recently. I can tell you that I recognize at least half the players and can attest they have been on that team for the past few years. They appear to have a few new additions which is not surprising given the amount of tryouts that they conduct. A couple of the kids were extremely large but frankly, we saw that on many of the teams that we faced.
There best offensive players are great because of skill, not because of size of physical dominance.
They are a very good team.
The only complaint that I think is valid is the notion of national teams (who can recruit across the country) playing against local teams (who are constrained by geographic talent pools). Personally, I have no issue with my kid playing against a national team. It's about getting better, not just winning a hat that my kid will promptly forget at the airport.
Age Verification needs to be widely adopted for safety and fairness.
A funny guy has joined the party. Have your birth certificates ready in the fall (don’t fake them). Good luck going forward.
Hey Nationals, LC guy, enjoy your summer. Keep drinking your own Kool-Aid. There is a reason all these national teams will be going away, at least in their current form.
Sounds like Amazon better stock up on the birth certificate printing presses and laser printers for the Nationals, LC.
Incoherently ranting however clueless on what the team actually is. Lost to an incredibly disciplined and well coached hawks team by a goal and should see them in the championship next week. Therefor mentioned hawks do the exact same thing. They recruit, they have hold backs on the older teams and have been doing it for years. The hawks fly people in like True and so many others, what's the difference? Look at the 22 naptown challenge winners if you dont believe me (or is this your oldest kid). That hawks team was comprised of 7 players that played for the hawks regularly the rest came from "MDLax" money. Mad that an organization is doing what everyone else does very well. My son has been approached by the hawks and several others over the years aka everyone does it some are just better at it !
Fact checker again... Haven't had a guest player in over a year (team was still being formed last time that happened), gotta tryout for this 29 team at a camp. Great job Natty coaches and organization for putting a team like this together it's been so much fun to watch these boys grow together! 🥍
Thank goodness the boys don't see this [Censored].
How bout you check the Nationals website to see your organization is looking for “guest players” to play for Naptown because clearly your coaches have 0 faith in your current players. Keep drinking that Koolaid… pathetic
Incoherently ranting however clueless on what the team actually is. Lost to an incredibly disciplined and well coached hawks team by a goal and should see them in the championship next week. Therefor mentioned hawks do the exact same thing. They recruit, they have hold backs on the older teams and have been doing it for years. The hawks fly people in like True and so many others, what's the difference? Look at the 22 naptown challenge winners if you dont believe me (or is this your oldest kid). That hawks team was comprised of 7 players that played for the hawks regularly the rest came from "MDLax" money. Mad that an organization is doing what everyone else does very well. My son has been approached by the hawks and several others over the years aka everyone does it some are just better at it !
Fact checker again... Haven't had a guest player in over a year (team was still being formed last time that happened), gotta tryout for this 29 team at a camp. Great job Natty coaches and organization for putting a team like this together it's been so much fun to watch these boys grow together! 🥍
Thank goodness the boys don't see this [Censored].
How bout you check the Nationals website to see your organization are looking for guest players to play for Naptown because clearly your coaches have 0 faith in your current players winning. Keep drinking that koolaid…
Last time I checked there is no recruiting going on at the 6th grade level.
The fact that this conversation is happening is what is truly wrong with club lacrosse.
None of this means anything till they get to high school and by then all of the 2029’s will have reclassed. Parents should worry about their boys playing against the best competitive talent - that is how you get better! I personally know many D1 coaches and they could care less who is ranked in the top 10 at the age of 12.
Let’s play great lacrosse against the best we can and do it the right way!
We should all be proud that our boys love the game and want to make the commitment to play at this level!
Enjoy the time and remember they won’t remember any of this when on the field in college.
Good luck to all!!
Incoherently ranting however clueless on what the team actually is. Lost to an incredibly disciplined and well coached hawks team by a goal and should see them in the championship next week. Therefor mentioned hawks do the exact same thing. They recruit, they have hold backs on the older teams and have been doing it for years. The hawks fly people in like True and so many others, what's the difference? Look at the 22 naptown challenge winners if you dont believe me (or is this your oldest kid). That hawks team was comprised of 7 players that played for the hawks regularly the rest came from "MDLax" money. Mad that an organization is doing what everyone else does very well. My son has been approached by the hawks and several others over the years aka everyone does it some are just better at it !
Fact checker again... Haven't had a guest player in over a year (team was still being formed last time that happened), gotta tryout for this 29 team at a camp. Great job Natty coaches and organization for putting a team like this together it's been so much fun to watch these boys grow together! 🥍
Thank goodness the boys don't see this [Censored].
How bout you check the Nationals website to see your organization are looking for guest players to play for Naptown because clearly your coaches have 0 faith in your current players winning. Keep drinking that koolaid…
Incoherently ranting however clueless on what the team actually is. Lost to an incredibly disciplined and well coached hawks team by a goal and should see them in the championship next week. Therefor mentioned hawks do the exact same thing. They recruit, they have hold backs on the older teams and have been doing it for years. The hawks fly people in like True and so many others, what's the difference? Look at the 22 naptown challenge winners if you dont believe me (or is this your oldest kid). That hawks team was comprised of 7 players that played for the hawks regularly the rest came from "MDLax" money. Mad that an organization is doing what everyone else does very well. My son has been approached by the hawks and several others over the years aka everyone does it some are just better at it !
Fact checker again... Haven't had a guest player in over a year (team was still being formed last time that happened), gotta tryout for this 29 team at a camp. Great job Natty coaches and organization for putting a team like this together it's been so much fun to watch these boys grow together! 🥍
Thank goodness the boys don't see this [Censored].
How bout you check the Nationals website to see your organization are looking for guest players to play for Naptown because clearly your coaches have 0 faith in your current players winning. Keep drinking that koolaid…
Incoherently ranting however clueless on what the team actually is. Lost to an incredibly disciplined and well coached hawks team by a goal and should see them in the championship next week. Therefor mentioned hawks do the exact same thing. They recruit, they have hold backs on the older teams and have been doing it for years. The hawks fly people in like True and so many others, what's the difference? Look at the 22 naptown challenge winners if you dont believe me (or is this your oldest kid). That hawks team was comprised of 7 players that played for the hawks regularly the rest came from "MDLax" money. Mad that an organization is doing what everyone else does very well. My son has been approached by the hawks and several others over the years aka everyone does it some are just better at it !
Fact checker again... Haven't had a guest player in over a year (team was still being formed last time that happened), gotta tryout for this 29 team at a camp. Great job Natty coaches and organization for putting a team like this together it's been so much fun to watch these boys grow together! 🥍
Thank goodness the boys don't see this [Censored].
Incoherently ranting however clueless on what the team actually is. Lost to an incredibly disciplined and well coached hawks team by a goal and should see them in the championship next week. Therefor mentioned hawks do the exact same thing. They recruit, they have hold backs on the older teams and have been doing it for years. The hawks fly people in like True and so many others, what's the difference? Look at the 22 naptown challenge winners if you dont believe me (or is this your oldest kid). That hawks team was comprised of 7 players that played for the hawks regularly the rest came from "MDLax" money. Mad that an organization is doing what everyone else does very well. My son has been approached by the hawks and several others over the years aka everyone does it some are just better at it !
Fact checker again... Haven't had a guest player in over a year (team was still being formed last time that happened), gotta tryout for this 29 team at a camp. Great job Natty coaches and organization for putting a team like this together it's been so much fun to watch these boys grow together! 🥍
Thank goodness the boys don't see this [Censored].
Hilarious. Nationals didn’t add a goalie recently???? As stated above. They should have to post a roster and stick with it. They are poachers.
But here’s the thing. Take a look at the older ages for nationals. The hey we’re all ranked in the top ten a year ago. Not anymore. Why you ask??? Because he’s a slim bag who will replace your kid month to month and call kids to play one time just to be competitive
The older your kid gets the less relevant a team like nationals becomes. It’s pay for play BS. STOP, with the “alot of kids are the same”. That’s true. Abs those kids are paying the way for the ringers that don’t have to.
Go play for a regional team and show some loyalty.
I don’t even have a ‘29 but love this thread in particular because of how [Censored] hurt all you dads are after losing a game. Comical. Please keep it up.
Nationals LC is an embarrassment and everything that is wrong with club lacrosse.
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
I think the rankings dropped before the Vail results were processed. My son plays for a team that was out there and our scores are not yet posted.
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Madlax is one of the better club teams. Up there with Hawks, 91, etc. The national teams? These people pay this money for their kids’ Instagram cravings, nothing more. These national teams don’t even exist at the high school level other than WCS— why? Because they’re [Censored]. Bunch of egotistical kids and parents who think they’re doing themselves the favor by compiling the best 10-12 kids they can in a given week to challenge the real teams of players who know how to play together.
Nationals, Red Hots, JM3, Nations Best— whatever. You’re not impressing the people who matter.
Just looked it up… other than vail up to date.
National teams are great for players from non-hotbed areas. They get an opportunity to see how they stack up against tough teams and hopefully get some great coaching along the way. I don’t see how it makes sense for kids from areas that provide the option to play elite lacrosse locally or regionally. Interested to hear from parents on the inside. We live/play in MD and not sure if a national team is worth it. Do you play on a local Md team and a national team?
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Madlax is one of the better club teams. Up there with Hawks, 91, etc. The national teams? These people pay this money for their kids’ Instagram cravings, nothing more. These national teams don’t even exist at the high school level other than WCS— why? Because they’re [Censored]. Bunch of egotistical kids and parents who think they’re doing themselves the favor by compiling the best 10-12 kids they can in a given week to challenge the real teams of players who know how to play together.
Nationals, Red Hots, JM3, Nations Best— whatever. You’re not impressing the people who matter.
Enlighten me…Who are the people that matter?
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Madlax is one of the better club teams. Up there with Hawks, 91, etc. The national teams? These people pay this money for their kids’ Instagram cravings, nothing more. These national teams don’t even exist at the high school level other than WCS— why? Because they’re [Censored]. Bunch of egotistical kids and parents who think they’re doing themselves the favor by compiling the best 10-12 kids they can in a given week to challenge the real teams of players who know how to play together.
Nationals, Red Hots, JM3, Nations Best— whatever. You’re not impressing the people who matter.
Enlighten me…Who are the people that matter?
As Steve Harvey says, “the number one answer is….College coaches.”
Just looked it up… other than vail up to date.
FCA scores made it in already.
National teams are great for players from non-hotbed areas. They get an opportunity to see how they stack up against tough teams and hopefully get some great coaching along the way. I don’t see how it makes sense for kids from areas that provide the option to play elite lacrosse locally or regionally. Interested to hear from parents on the inside. We live/play in MD and not sure if a national team is worth it. Do you play on a local Md team and a national team?
My son plays on a quality club program in Maryland as well as on a national team (not Nationals).
We do it because he gets a chance to play in a different role and to hear a coach with a different voice / philosophy. Most importantly, we do it because he has fun playing on another team.
We have no preconceived notions that playing on a national team will lead to a scholarship.
Is it expensive? Yes. Is it necessary to develop your kid if he's a good athlete? No. Can it still be fun and rewarding? Absolutely.
People need to stop pretending the Circuit is 'on age' with 3 'exceptions.' That is simply not true. Some Circuit teams have 8-10 kids who are over age. Doesn't bode well for the supposed age-based reforms coming if they are so easily flouted and ignored.
National teams are great for players from non-hotbed areas. They get an opportunity to see how they stack up against tough teams and hopefully get some great coaching along the way. I don’t see how it makes sense for kids from areas that provide the option to play elite lacrosse locally or regionally. Interested to hear from parents on the inside. We live/play in MD and not sure if a national team is worth it. Do you play on a local Md team and a national team?
My son plays on a quality club program in Maryland as well as on a national team (not Nationals).
We do it because he gets a chance to play in a different role and to hear a coach with a different voice / philosophy. Most importantly, we do it because he has fun playing on another team.
We have no preconceived notions that playing on a national team will lead to a scholarship.
Is it expensive? Yes. Is it necessary to develop your kid if he's a good athlete? No. Can it still be fun and rewarding? Absolutely.
Thanks for the sincere reply. If my kid wanted to play on a National team I would consider it but probably drop the local team. How difficult has the travel, time, and money commitment been doing both?
So I was at a tournament in Maryland. I am newer to lacrosse however I love watching higher level talent and teams. My son is a 29 and plays in the elite divisions. With that being said saw a lot of good teams play and some that rightfully beat my sons team. No excuses there. I was however, humorously distracted by parents of all sorts of the sidelines. The commentary was hilarious. From the drunk dads and moms flexing their lax speak, to the "Al Bundys" of the world who are reliving their youth, to the parents that are waiting for the games to be over because they have a long drive home, oh and so much more. There should be a thread of funny experiences on here.
So I heard a parent say wow those kids a really big how old are they. A mom started ranting "Why do they always ask how old they are. They're always asking how old they are?" Another person asked well how old are they. The mom preceded to respond "That's none of your business!" as she stormed off. I laughed out loud just couldn't hold it in.
I talked to a parent this weekend who's son play for a club team that has a National team. The son made the national team and is required to play on the club team as well. He can not play for the national team and play for any other unaffiliated club team.
National teams are great for players from non-hotbed areas. They get an opportunity to see how they stack up against tough teams and hopefully get some great coaching along the way. I don’t see how it makes sense for kids from areas that provide the option to play elite lacrosse locally or regionally. Interested to hear from parents on the inside. We live/play in MD and not sure if a national team is worth it. Do you play on a local Md team and a national team?
My son plays on a quality club program in Maryland as well as on a national team (not Nationals).
We do it because he gets a chance to play in a different role and to hear a coach with a different voice / philosophy. Most importantly, we do it because he has fun playing on another team.
We have no preconceived notions that playing on a national team will lead to a scholarship.
Is it expensive? Yes. Is it necessary to develop your kid if he's a good athlete? No. Can it still be fun and rewarding? Absolutely.
Thanks for the sincere reply. If my kid wanted to play on a National team I would consider it but probably drop the local team. How difficult has the travel, time, and money commitment been doing both?
Do not drop the local team. National teams do not have the same sort of practice schedule as local team. Get the reps.
National teams are great for players from non-hotbed areas. They get an opportunity to see how they stack up against tough teams and hopefully get some great coaching along the way. I don’t see how it makes sense for kids from areas that provide the option to play elite lacrosse locally or regionally. Interested to hear from parents on the inside. We live/play in MD and not sure if a national team is worth it. Do you play on a local Md team and a national team?
My son plays on a quality club program in Maryland as well as on a national team (not Nationals).
We do it because he gets a chance to play in a different role and to hear a coach with a different voice / philosophy. Most importantly, we do it because he has fun playing on another team.
We have no preconceived notions that playing on a national team will lead to a scholarship.
Is it expensive? Yes. Is it necessary to develop your kid if he's a good athlete? No. Can it still be fun and rewarding? Absolutely.
Thanks for the sincere reply. If my kid wanted to play on a National team I would consider it but probably drop the local team. How difficult has the travel, time, and money commitment been doing both?
Do not drop the local team. National teams do not have the same sort of practice schedule as local team. Get the reps.
As previously posted, National teams are best for kids that live in areas without strong local lacrosse. These players can attend good tournaments and test their abilities. Most national teams are expensive and you put travel costs on top, you’re easily paying $3 grand per event. The work around this past year has been Redhots. They just charge a reasonable fee per tournament. This group from PA isn’t looking to make a profit. They were unknown a year ago and now have stacked teams at many age groups. Obviously, all the other national teams are annoyed because this under cuts their profit and they lost some of their kids. Ultimately, it comes down to how much you guys love lacrosse and your bank account. I get calls from national teams, but my kid says he plays enough with his local team. He rather play other sports in the offseason. Lastly, some local team (True, MadLax, etc.) do not allow their kids to play on National teams because they have their own National teams
Just looked it up… other than vail up to date.
FCA scores made it in already.
FCA Denver scores are in. FCA Vail scores are not.
National teams are great for players from non-hotbed areas. They get an opportunity to see how they stack up against tough teams and hopefully get some great coaching along the way. I don’t see how it makes sense for kids from areas that provide the option to play elite lacrosse locally or regionally. Interested to hear from parents on the inside. We live/play in MD and not sure if a national team is worth it. Do you play on a local Md team and a national team?
My son plays on a quality club program in Maryland as well as on a national team (not Nationals).
We do it because he gets a chance to play in a different role and to hear a coach with a different voice / philosophy. Most importantly, we do it because he has fun playing on another team.
We have no preconceived notions that playing on a national team will lead to a scholarship.
Is it expensive? Yes. Is it necessary to develop your kid if he's a good athlete? No. Can it still be fun and rewarding? Absolutely.
Thanks for the sincere reply. If my kid wanted to play on a National team I would consider it but probably drop the local team. How difficult has the travel, time, and money commitment been doing both?
It depends on the National Team. Nationals has a massive time/travel commitment as they meet for a weekend every month year round. Most other national teams rarely practice together. Our team plays in the 3 circuit events and has an optional 4th tournament.
National teams are designed to give kids more playing opportunities but because of the lack of practice, they can't replace a local club.
Cost wise.... expect to spend between $2K and $4K additionally not including travel expenses.
If your son plays a lot of other sports, it's probably too heavy a lift. My son plays one other sport and prefers lacrosse so we have the time.
I talked to a parent this weekend who's son play for a club team that has a National team. The son made the national team and is required to play on the club team as well. He can not play for the national team and play for any other unaffiliated club team.
That is normally the case. Additionally, teams like True have policies that prohibit you from playing against their national team if you elect to play for a different national team.
Some national teams have bent those policies based on the players talent level and the need to field a more competitive team in the Circuit.
Just looked it up… other than vail up to date.
FCA scores made it in already.
FCA Denver scores are in. FCA Vail scores are not.
What's interesting as we continue the discussion on "NATIONAL" teams is that when the right game plan is executed against them (i.e. Nationals Lacrosse Club) they are definitely beatable by non-National teams, who have an advantage of playing together all the time, knowing specific strategies / tendencies when in tough game situations, and playing better team defense. Having seen Nationals Lacrosse Club 2029 team....they are a high powered offensive machine!! Tons of talent. But the defense is suspect and honestly doesn't really get tested much at all because they pretty much score.....win the face-off.....score.....win the face-off.
Hawks has beaten Nationals Lacrosse Club already (5-4). FCA had them beat in the first match-up, was up 4-2 with 6 mins left then an apparent non-goal call, which Nationals responded with a come back. The regular clubs wont win every time, but they can win and have kept scores much closer.
My point is Nationals Lacrosse Club will pummel the lower level club teams, as well the other National teams.....just look at the proof. But against the top 10 clubs teams....they are way closer comparable scores.
Nationals teams are great for "non-hot bed" area players because it gives them exposure and the opportunity to play at a higher level of competition for sure.
Looks like nationals oc and hawks in the nap town final. Not a parent of either. Actually kids team played against hawks a couple of times. Would love to see hawks take it.
Just looked it up… other than vail up to date.
FCA scores made it in already.
FCA Denver scores are in. FCA Vail scores are not.
What's interesting as we continue the discussion on "NATIONAL" teams is that when the right game plan is executed against them (i.e. Nationals Lacrosse Club) they are definitely beatable by non-National teams, who have an advantage of playing together all the time, knowing specific strategies / tendencies when in tough game situations, and playing better team defense. Having seen Nationals Lacrosse Club 2029 team....they are a high powered offensive machine!! Tons of talent. But the defense is suspect and honestly doesn't really get tested much at all because they pretty much score.....win the face-off.....score.....win the face-off.
Hawks has beaten Nationals Lacrosse Club already (5-4). FCA had them beat in the first match-up, was up 4-2 with 6 mins left then an apparent non-goal call, which Nationals responded with a come back. The regular clubs wont win every time, but they can win and have kept scores much closer.
My point is Nationals Lacrosse Club will pummel the lower level club teams, as well the other National teams.....just look at the proof. But against the top 10 clubs teams....they are way closer comparable scores.
Nationals teams are great for "non-hot bed" area players because it gives them exposure and the opportunity to play at a higher level of competition for sure.
Agree....should be interesting to see the Naptown Final tomororw with HAWKS vs. NATIONALS again.
National had their way with Hawks. Still think hawks is one of the best “local” teams around
Nationals, LC’s 13, 14 and 15 year olds strike again!!!
I am a 2029 nationals player we crushed the hawks 9-2 it wasn’t even competitive.
I am a 2029 nationals player we crushed the hawks 9-2 it wasn’t even competitive.
Don’t text and drive kid!
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Madlax is one of the better club teams. Up there with Hawks, 91, etc. The national teams? These people pay this money for their kids’ Instagram cravings, nothing more. These national teams don’t even exist at the high school level other than WCS— why? Because they’re [Censored]. Bunch of egotistical kids and parents who think they’re doing themselves the favor by compiling the best 10-12 kids they can in a given week to challenge the real teams of players who know how to play together.
Nationals, Red Hots, JM3, Nations Best— whatever. You’re not impressing the people who matter.
Enlighten me…Who are the people that matter?
As Steve Harvey says, “the number one answer is….College coaches.”
Saw lots of college coaches on the ‘29 sidelines this week. Little Timmy is destined to get a full ride.
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Madlax is one of the better club teams. Up there with Hawks, 91, etc. The national teams? These people pay this money for their kids’ Instagram cravings, nothing more. These national teams don’t even exist at the high school level other than WCS— why? Because they’re [Censored]. Bunch of egotistical kids and parents who think they’re doing themselves the favor by compiling the best 10-12 kids they can in a given week to challenge the real teams of players who know how to play together.
Nationals, Red Hots, JM3, Nations Best— whatever. You’re not impressing the people who matter.
Enlighten me…Who are the people that matter?
As Steve Harvey says, “the number one answer is….College coaches.”
Saw lots of college coaches on the ‘29 sidelines this week. Little Timmy is destined to get a full ride.
Nationals parents...........keep spending that money. Remember college coaches want to see your son with his home town club. It's easy to win on a national team.
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Madlax is one of the better club teams. Up there with Hawks, 91, etc. The national teams? These people pay this money for their kids’ Instagram cravings, nothing more. These national teams don’t even exist at the high school level other than WCS— why? Because they’re [Censored]. Bunch of egotistical kids and parents who think they’re doing themselves the favor by compiling the best 10-12 kids they can in a given week to challenge the real teams of players who know how to play together.
Nationals, Red Hots, JM3, Nations Best— whatever. You’re not impressing the people who matter.
Enlighten me…Who are the people that matter?
As Steve Harvey says, “the number one answer is….College coaches.”
Saw lots of college coaches on the ‘29 sidelines this week. Little Timmy is destined to get a full ride.
Nationals parents...........keep spending that money. Remember college coaches want to see your son with his home town club. It's easy to win on a national team.
You guys and your college coach baloney. Post that stuff on a high school forum.
Now let’s discuss how madlax found a way to not post its scores after losing yet another game and still sit at 2 in the ranking.
Madlax is one of the better club teams. Up there with Hawks, 91, etc. The national teams? These people pay this money for their kids’ Instagram cravings, nothing more. These national teams don’t even exist at the high school level other than WCS— why? Because they’re [Censored]. Bunch of egotistical kids and parents who think they’re doing themselves the favor by compiling the best 10-12 kids they can in a given week to challenge the real teams of players who know how to play together.
Nationals, Red Hots, JM3, Nations Best— whatever. You’re not impressing the people who matter.
Enlighten me…Who are the people that matter?
As Steve Harvey says, “the number one answer is….College coaches.”
Saw lots of college coaches on the ‘29 sidelines this week. Little Timmy is destined to get a full ride.
Nationals parents...........keep spending that money. Remember college coaches want to see your son with his home town club. It's easy to win on a national team.
You guys and your college coach baloney. Post that stuff on a high school forum.
Sorry your son didnt get a look by the college coaches like the rest of us did. Now go.... Hit The Wall !
Ha Ha Ha… this is so funny. You guys are discussing 12(?) year olds and college coaches. So ridiculous. Not sure if your heard but getting recruited in 8th grade ended in 2019.
Fact - Nationals had a defenseman play, who the week before was on a 28 team playing in Denver for FCA. He is a true 28. Good kid - shame on parents and nationals. Funny how for club he plays on his 28 team but on a national team plays on the 29. #thepriceofvictory
Ha Ha Ha… this is so funny. You guys are discussing 12(?) year olds and college coaches. So ridiculous. Not sure if your heard but getting recruited in 8th grade ended in 2019.
Fact - Nationals had a defenseman play, who the week before was on a 28 team playing in Denver for FCA. He is a true 28. Good kid - shame on parents and nationals. Funny how for club he plays on his 28 team but on a national team plays on the 29. #thepriceofvictory
The FCA Defenseman is an on age 2029. He plays up on 2028 FCA White.
The FCA player in question is a holdback, will be going into 7th grade. Under the new age verification he will not be able to play 2029's next year for Nationals and never played for FCA 2029. He played on the 2028 White team which is FCA's "B" team.
Nationals has probably at least 4-6 kids who fit this same category. If tournaments / people adapt this new age verification then none would be able to play next year with them.
Ha Ha Ha… this is so funny. You guys are discussing 12(?) year olds and college coaches. So ridiculous. Not sure if your heard but getting recruited in 8th grade ended in 2019.
Fact - Nationals had a defenseman play, who the week before was on a 28 team playing in Denver for FCA. He is a true 28. Good kid - shame on parents and nationals. Funny how for club he plays on his 28 team but on a national team plays on the 29. #thepriceofvictory
The FCA Defenseman is an on age 2029. He plays up on 2028 FCA White.
Nope. He’s a cheating. And Nationals LC condones it.
Nationals LC directors, coaches and parents = true person. Zero integrity.
I think the point of the comment was that the player in question was “a true 28” playing 29 because he is a hold back or as a stated “playingup” as a 28. Smart parent coaches move. Player can play at two age groups and use the rules to justify it. Kiddos.
Shame on you...this is just incorrect and wrong. Everything that's wrong with this discussion board.
Ha Ha Ha… this is so funny. You guys are discussing 12(?) year olds and college coaches. So ridiculous. Not sure if your heard but getting recruited in 8th grade ended in 2019.
Fact - Nationals had a defenseman play, who the week before was on a 28 team playing in Denver for FCA. He is a true 28. Good kid - shame on parents and nationals. Funny how for club he plays on his 28 team but on a national team plays on the 29. #thepriceofvictory
The FCA Defenseman is an on age 2029. He plays up on 2028 FCA White.
Nope. He’s a cheating. And Nationals LC condones it.
Nationals LC directors, coaches and parents = true person. Zero integrity.
Shame on you....I'm sure you'll have a witty response on why it's okay to spew incorrect information and publically throw darts at 12 year olds (and their parents and programs.) The FCA 28white defenseman is 29 aged. People who have no clue what they are talking about = true person.
Hopefully once age verification is in place next year all this holdback stuff ends. If the kids are the correct age they play that grade - if not then play at your age instead of grade. Does anyone really believe the anonymous fact checker on BOTC who says a kid is older or on age?
National teams are a joke and pure money maker, but I guess there’s a market for ensuring you kid can have great Instagram posts. Find a good local club where your kid plays a key role that has well run practices, that should be the priority for development. National teams may be a fun experience but can’t replace a local club.
To the person saying it’s misinformation you are correct he is a 2029 by graduation year but a 28 by birth year. You can go back and forth about this and yes you are right according to the rules for now. This is not a question about who the player is and his integrity. He is just a pawn in the silly games the adults play. As the poster above stated he is a good kid. I don’t know him from the next kid. Hopefully age verification fixes the issue and puts a huge dent in coaches and parents being able to flex their muscles on a kids behalf. Remember they are young kids what ever age they are, that can barely remember to brush their teeth in the morning. SMH
To the person saying it’s misinformation you are correct he is a 2029 by graduation year but a 28 by birth year. You can go back and forth about this and yes you are right according to the rules for now. This is not a question about who the player is and his integrity. He is just a pawn in the silly games the adults play. As the poster above stated he is a good kid. I don’t know him from the next kid. Hopefully age verification fixes the issue and puts a huge dent in coaches and parents being able to flex their muscles on a kids behalf. Remember they are young kids what ever age they are, that can barely remember to brush their teeth in the morning. SMH
This age thing will not last. Mark my words. Insurance will be soon for Garde based leagues and tournaments. Heard it her first. Just to much need for it from private school players and their parents
Hopefully once age verification is in place next year all this holdback stuff ends. If the kids are the correct age they play that grade - if not then play at your age instead of grade. Does anyone really believe the anonymous fact checker on BOTC who says a kid is older or on age?
National teams are a joke and pure money maker, but I guess there’s a market for ensuring you kid can have great Instagram posts. Find a good local club where your kid plays a key role that has well run practices, that should be the priority for development. National teams may be a fun experience but can’t replace a local club.
Please remember not every national team player has the same level of local teams to choose from. Some kids enjoy the one chance to play with kids their age and ability. Furthermore, some appreciate the chance to play bigger and better tournaments rather than face the same regional teams in uncompetitive tournaments.
Now that we have all the stuff above squared away. What tournies are everyone else i?
A kids who is 1, 2 (or 3 years older) than the kids he is actually playing against doesn’t benefit AND cheats the other on age kids, teams and really youth lacrosse in general. Just don’t cheat. Not that difficult.
Not sure how a parent can take pleasure in their older, “off age” kid playing against younger kids. Makes no sense. If your kid can’t cut it in his age group, keep practicing. There shouldn’t be any debate to this. Playing kids 1, 2 (or 3 years younger) is cheating. Don’t teach your kids to cheat.
As far as Nationals, LC, they would never win with on age kids in major tournaments which is they seem to be pressing their cheating ways into the rule change. Sends wrong message to kids.
A kids who is 1, 2 (or 3 years older) than the kids he is actually playing against doesn’t benefit AND cheats the other on age kids, teams and really youth lacrosse in general. Just don’t cheat. Not that difficult.
Not sure how a parent can take pleasure in their older, “off age” kid playing against younger kids. Makes no sense. If your kid can’t cut it in his age group, keep practicing. There shouldn’t be any debate to this. Playing kids 1, 2 (or 3 years younger) is cheating. Don’t teach your kids to cheat.
As far as Nationals, LC, they would never win with on age kids in major tournaments which is they seem to be pressing their cheating ways into the rule change. Sends wrong message to kids.
When the boy is playing for UVA or Duke or some Ivey, they really wont care how many times he was held back. Most of the top programs are loaded with holdbacks plus PG's and Redshirts and many times a combo or all three. Not a great way to do a non paying sport, but it is what it is and frankly, it is driven by the holier than tho Private School parents .
Everyone will talk about a player that played up and made it. No one talks about a holdback (for athletic reasons) because it’s embarrassing to that said player and their family. How would that come across ESPN.
Everyone will talk about a player that played up and made it. No one talks about a holdback (for athletic reasons) because it’s embarrassing to that said player and their family. How would that come across ESPN.
1/3 of these kids fail the eye test. Exactly why these youth games were not on ESPN, they are not interested in joining the hold back scenario.
What would happen if 11 yo little Timmy got trucked by 14 yo big Tex and there is a 30 min injury time out on TV? You think it would speed up the age verification process?
Everyone will talk about a player that played up and made it. No one talks about a holdback (for athletic reasons) because it’s embarrassing to that said player and their family. How would that come across ESPN.
1/3 of these kids fail the eye test. Exactly why these youth games were not on ESPN, they are not interested in joining the hold back scenario.
What would happen if 11 yo little Timmy got trucked by 14 yo big Tex and there is a 30 min injury time out on TV? You think it would speed up the age verification process?
Yes, exactly why the games are not on ESPN…giggling.
One team that won the championship televised on ESPN has appx 20 kids that have reclassified that I know of and 3 that are double.
Referencing an above poster, do you ever wonder why Ivy’s and other top academic schools even allow reclassed kids? Why take a kid who had to repeat a grade to get to this level rather than the kid who skipped a grade? Because no one cares. Except BOTC daddies.
Looking at new clubs for my son, who are the best coaches for the 2029s, not based on wins but based on building better lacrosse players? (not worried about division)
[quote=Anonymous]Everyone will talk about a player that played up and made it. No one talks about a holdback (for athletic reasons) because it’s embarrassing to that said player and their family. How would that come across ESPN.
1/3 of these kids fail the eye test. Exactly why these youth games were not on ESPN, they are not interested in joining the hold back scenario.
What would happen if 11 yo little Timmy got trucked by 14 yo big Tex and there is a 30 min injury time out on TV? You think it would speed up the age verification process?
Yes, exactly why the games are not on ESPN…giggling.
One team that won the championship televised on ESPN has appx 20 kids that have reclassified that I know of and 3 that are double.
Because that’s a high school game on TV and our elite sons are expected to be on varsity playing against older kids….. evil lol
They will not televise the youth grade base games, for the same reasons they don’t televise high school vs college and college vs professional games. Does that help
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
From the massive amount of social media around this team it appears they have 30 kids on the roster. Just getting at least 10-12 kids ready to ride the bench on those 50 kid private school rosters. Nice job Dad…hope you enjoy your shmedium T shirt
Now that we have all the stuff above squared away. What tournies are everyone else i?
It’s kinda quiet this weekend but there are 2 tournaments taking place in Pennsylvania
True Baltimore Black, Team 91 and ML Capital all play in the NXT Cup AA Division. Carroll Manor and Hawks Black will have a tough challenge at Hogan Hershey. Good luck to all the teams that play this weekend
As the season is coming to an end here are the current, top 10, Maryland Rankings. Hawks and Next Level definitely belong at the top. True Chesapeake, FCA, and LTLC are top 3,4, and 5 and can easily be interchanged in my opinion if they go head to head. Who knows what the outcome will be. The bottom 5 out 10 are exactly that. Interesting to see how age verification will impact this list next year. I am sure every top team will be losing some players. (numbers represent where they rank nationally)
3 Annapolis Hawks Green (2029)
9 Next Level 2029
11 FCA MD 2029
42 True Chesapeake (2029)
45 LTLC Legends 2029
81 Saltwater South (2029)
112 Bethesda LC 2029 Blue
117 True Baltimore Black (2029)
119 Kelly Post Grey (2029)
121 Predators MD (2029)
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
Based on conversations I have had, neither hawks or madlax have any who fall into this category. And while some believe strongly that next level has at least one, I do not think that will be the case either.
FCA allegedly has one or two. True has one maybe two.
But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care.
"But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care." Really, I guess then there is no integrity. I am assuming that you live by the rule if you don't get caught it's not cheating.
My 2029 recently decided he wants to put his energy/focus into lacrosse. He's been playing with a club for about 5 years and has recently played for a national team. As he's beginning to network with more kids, I'm noticing that some of these kids are rostered on more than 1 regional club in their area. Is that a thing and if so, how does it work? We're thinking about leaving his current club because it lacks opportunities for development, but I'd be willing to keep him rostered with them as a secondary team, I'm just wondering if that's a common thing before I approach the club.
My 2029 recently decided he wants to put his energy/focus into lacrosse. He's been playing with a club for about 5 years and has recently played for a national team. As he's beginning to network with more kids, I'm noticing that some of these kids are rostered on more than 1 regional club in their area. Is that a thing and if so, how does it work? We're thinking about leaving his current club because it lacks opportunities for development, but I'd be willing to keep him rostered with them as a secondary team, I'm just wondering if that's a common thing before I approach the club.
Probably depends on the player. Being rostered on multiple teams in same area only makes sense if tournament schedules don’t overlap. You can’t be on multiple rosters for HOCO so you would have to pick one for that , then if tournaments conflict seems like it would just be a waste of $. If player is good enough and team two is willing to cut a special deal for you then sure why not.
As the season is coming to an end here are the current, top 10, Maryland Rankings. Hawks and Next Level definitely belong at the top. True Chesapeake, FCA, and LTLC are top 3,4, and 5 and can easily be interchanged in my opinion if they go head to head. Who knows what the outcome will be. The bottom 5 out 10 are exactly that. Interesting to see how age verification will impact this list next year. I am sure every top team will be losing some players. (numbers represent where they rank nationally)
3 Annapolis Hawks Green (2029)
9 Next Level 2029
11 FCA MD 2029
42 True Chesapeake (2029)
45 LTLC Legends 2029
81 Saltwater South (2029)
112 Bethesda LC 2029 Blue
117 True Baltimore Black (2029)
119 Kelly Post Grey (2029)
121 Predators MD (2029)
Hawks definitely #1
Next Level #2
3-5....let's remember that LTLC does not exist anymore. Crabs 2029 is now in play. They already had 4-5 guest players playing with them this summer and hearing that there is a lot of turnover within LTLC coming with that transition.
If age verification goes through both True and FCA would lose one big piece of there offense from last season from what I have been told.
6-10....what the heck has happened to Predators and True Baltimore Black? After having success and winning the 2029 AAA division of HOCO, Preds has had a tough summer. Just lost to Team Money 2029 this past weekend who didn't win one game in AAA this spring.
Year after year it amazes me the difference in talent, skill level, and coaching between the Elite Teams and the AAA division. Very interested to see if Team 91 MD gets bumped to AAA or if they hold.
Hearing that VLC's best player may be leaving and could have others following as well.
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
Based on conversations I have had, neither hawks or madlax have any who fall into this category. And while some believe strongly that next level has at least one, I do not think that will be the case either.
FCA allegedly has one or two. True has one maybe two.
But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care.
FCA has four that are openly known. Based on the substantial # of holdbacks on both 2028 ML and Hawks from multiple states, I can't imagine their 2029 teams have NONE/ZERO. But maybe that's true. We all know the "holdbacks are no big deal" parents don't openly admit that they held back their sons for lax....until their son makes varsity.
What I'm interested in seeing is how this shakes up the CT/RI/MA clubs (notably S2S, 4 Leaf and Laxachusetts) whose kids play down without even re-classing in middle school, on the pretext that they WILL reclass in the future at some point. That scenario ranks up there with double holdbacks as "reasons that age based lax finally showed up."
As the season is coming to an end here are the current, top 10, Maryland Rankings. Hawks and Next Level definitely belong at the top. True Chesapeake, FCA, and LTLC are top 3,4, and 5 and can easily be interchanged in my opinion if they go head to head. Who knows what the outcome will be. The bottom 5 out 10 are exactly that. Interesting to see how age verification will impact this list next year. I am sure every top team will be losing some players. (numbers represent where they rank nationally)
3 Annapolis Hawks Green (2029)
9 Next Level 2029
11 FCA MD 2029
42 True Chesapeake (2029)
45 LTLC Legends 2029
81 Saltwater South (2029)
112 Bethesda LC 2029 Blue
117 True Baltimore Black (2029)
119 Kelly Post Grey (2029)
121 Predators MD (2029)
Hawks definitely #1
Next Level #2
3-5....let's remember that LTLC does not exist anymore. Crabs 2029 is now in play. They already had 4-5 guest players playing with them this summer and hearing that there is a lot of turnover within LTLC coming with that transition.
If age verification goes through both True and FCA would lose one big piece of there offense from last season from what I have been told.
6-10....what the heck has happened to Predators and True Baltimore Black? After having success and winning the 2029 AAA division of HOCO, Preds has had a tough summer. Just lost to Team Money 2029 this past weekend who didn't win one game in AAA this spring.
Year after year it amazes me the difference in talent, skill level, and coaching between the Elite Teams and the AAA division. Very interested to see if Team 91 MD gets bumped to AAA or if they hold.
Hearing that VLC's best player may be leaving and could have others following as well.
Hawks could be number one just need to cut the st Mary’s ball hog kids. Team be better off. Win as team lose when we play ball hog.
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
Based on conversations I have had, neither hawks or madlax have any who fall into this category. And while some believe strongly that next level has at least one, I do not think that will be the case either.
FCA allegedly has one or two. True has one maybe two.
But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care.
FCA has four that are openly known. Based on the substantial # of holdbacks on both 2028 ML and Hawks from multiple states, I can't imagine their 2029 teams have NONE/ZERO. But maybe that's true. We all know the "holdbacks are no big deal" parents don't openly admit that they held back their sons for lax....until their son makes varsity.
What I'm interested in seeing is how this shakes up the CT/RI/MA clubs (notably S2S, 4 Leaf and Laxachusetts2) whose kids play down without even re-classing in middle school, on the pretext that they WILL reclass in the future at some point. That scenario ranks up there with double holdbacks as "reasons that age based lax finally showed up."
For clarification....FCA has only 2 on the 2029 team (Attack / Goalie)
True has 2 on the 2029 team as well (Midfield / Defense)
...............have a hard time believing that Madlax, Hawks, and NL don't have any......but not 100% sure.
As the season is coming to an end here are the current, top 10, Maryland Rankings. Hawks and Next Level definitely belong at the top. True Chesapeake, FCA, and LTLC are top 3,4, and 5 and can easily be interchanged in my opinion if they go head to head. Who knows what the outcome will be. The bottom 5 out 10 are exactly that. Interesting to see how age verification will impact this list next year. I am sure every top team will be losing some players. (numbers represent where they rank nationally)
3 Annapolis Hawks Green (2029)
9 Next Level 2029
11 FCA MD 2029
42 True Chesapeake (2029)
45 LTLC Legends 2029
81 Saltwater South (2029)
112 Bethesda LC 2029 Blue
117 True Baltimore Black (2029)
119 Kelly Post Grey (2029)
121 Predators MD (2029)
Hawks definitely #1
Next Level #2
3-5....let's remember that LTLC does not exist anymore. Crabs 2029 is now in play. They already had 4-5 guest players playing with them this summer and hearing that there is a lot of turnover within LTLC coming with that transition.
If age verification goes through both True and FCA would lose one big piece of there offense from last season from what I have been told.
6-10....what the heck has happened to Predators and True Baltimore Black? After having success and winning the 2029 AAA division of HOCO, Preds has had a tough summer. Just lost to Team Money 2029 this past weekend who didn't win one game in AAA this spring.
Year after year it amazes me the difference in talent, skill level, and coaching between the Elite Teams and the AAA division. Very interested to see if Team 91 MD gets bumped to AAA or if they hold.
Hearing that VLC's best player may be leaving and could have others following as well.
So LTLC is officially gone now? So glad we got out earlier then.
As the season is coming to an end here are the current, top 10, Maryland Rankings. Hawks and Next Level definitely belong at the top. True Chesapeake, FCA, and LTLC are top 3,4, and 5 and can easily be interchanged in my opinion if they go head to head. Who knows what the outcome will be. The bottom 5 out 10 are exactly that. Interesting to see how age verification will impact this list next year. I am sure every top team will be losing some players. (numbers represent where they rank nationally)
3 Annapolis Hawks Green (2029)
9 Next Level 2029
11 FCA MD 2029
42 True Chesapeake (2029)
45 LTLC Legends 2029
81 Saltwater South (2029)
112 Bethesda LC 2029 Blue
117 True Baltimore Black (2029)
119 Kelly Post Grey (2029)
121 Predators MD (2029)
Hawks definitely #1
Next Level #2
3-5....let's remember that LTLC does not exist anymore. Crabs 2029 is now in play. They already had 4-5 guest players playing with them this summer and hearing that there is a lot of turnover within LTLC coming with that transition.
If age verification goes through both True and FCA would lose one big piece of there offense from last season from what I have been told.
6-10....what the heck has happened to Predators and True Baltimore Black? After having success and winning the 2029 AAA division of HOCO, Preds has had a tough summer. Just lost to Team Money 2029 this past weekend who didn't win one game in AAA this spring.
Year after year it amazes me the difference in talent, skill level, and coaching between the Elite Teams and the AAA division. Very interested to see if Team 91 MD gets bumped to AAA or if they hold.
Hearing that VLC's best player may be leaving and could have others following as well.
So LTLC is officially gone now? So glad we got out earlier then.
Sons friend plays for LTLC. From what he told me, they are officially migrating over to Crabs. They will practice on LTLC fields and play in HOCO as LTLC, but will be playing in tournaments as Crabs. Like any transition, sounds like some people are excited for the transition and that some people are jumping ship.
FCA does have at least 2 holdbacks. They will add new players like always, but I think they will also be adding a white team. So some kids that jump ship from other teams may be infor a surprise. They are keeping the same "dad" coaches which are fine in my opinion. If it works why fix it. Curious to see what players jump to FCA from other teams or if FCA is recruiting at all. There has been talk about players missing playing time however, seemed to be calmed down with the new rule.
Team 91, not sure what to make about this. Wonder if they will still be in the elite division
LTLC does exist for next season their tryouts are listed. Just saw that Crabs does not have a 2029 tryout on their list anymore. LTLC/Crabs will just play a lot more games as both teams from what it seems like. After next year that is a different story.
Yes Crabs played in tournaments this summer as crabs with 95% LTLC players and the rest guest players. Nothing secretive about that. Just look at the tournaments played this month. As for movement I am sure some kids will leave but just as many kids will be cut.
The True Baltimore teams will regroup and have a better team and a not so good 2nd team. As long as they can field 2 teams for the $$$$ they will have 2 mediocre teams with on slightly better than the other. Saw both teams play in tournies this summer and made me question how bad Hoco AAA really was.
At this age, kids and PARENTS need to realize that their kid might not be the best or be the most coachable kid. With all teams, starting from this season on, it's those players that develop, give their best effort, and realize that they won't get what they want all the time are those that will succeed. Hard work pays off. Also those parents on the side line that coach their kids and complain about the team and think they no more about what their kid is doing on the field than the coaches. Your not helping you kid just making things worse for them. All teams have this.
LTLC is hosting tryouts soon. I think they will compete quite well this year and if a said transition happens it might be good for players. Part of the deal.
LTLC is hosting tryouts soon. I think they will compete quite well this year and if a said transition happens it might be good for players. Part of the deal.
Club Lacrosse has done to lacrosse what Club Soccer did to soccer. Stopped the growth .
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
Based on conversations I have had, neither hawks or madlax have any who fall into this category. And while some believe strongly that next level has at least one, I do not think that will be the case either.
FCA allegedly has one or two. True has one maybe two.
But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care.
FCA has four that are openly known. Based on the substantial # of holdbacks on both 2028 ML and Hawks from multiple states, I can't imagine their 2029 teams have NONE/ZERO. But maybe that's true. We all know the "holdbacks are no big deal" parents don't openly admit that they held back their sons for lax....until their son makes varsity.
What I'm interested in seeing is how this shakes up the CT/RI/MA clubs (notably S2S, 4 Leaf and Laxachusetts) whose kids play down without even re-classing in middle school, on the pretext that they WILL reclass in the future at some point. That scenario ranks up there with double holdbacks as "reasons that age based lax finally showed up."
Hahaha.... "FCA has four that are openly known".... Hahaha.... this is why I love reading BOTC... lots of dad's acting like old spinsters spreading gossip as if its fact. FCA has exactly two players (one starter) that are impacted.
Sorry folks you won’t see any kids from 29 hawks or madlax leaving because of age. Don’t think FCA LTLC and NL can say the same
Don’t think FCA OR LTLC are hiding any. We know they have some.
Yes, NL has a starting attackman who can leave due to age…to play with the 2030s because he’s still 11. Don’t think Madlax or hawks can say the same.
Good one NL dad, but yes they can.
But keep avoiding the topic of holdbacks on your 29 team.
I heard HoCo is adopting the new age rules. Can anyone confirm? If so, next spring will be interesting and I expect it will be more broadly adopted.
Completely agree. Once youth sports could be monetized under the umbrella of creating elite athletes everyone started to jump ship. Rec. Councils not only in Maryland but around the country are stopping their youth engagement earlier and earlier because of the social and psychological influence of the club sport being the be all and standard for getting a sports scholarship and being elite. Yes clubs have a place, but so do rec programs. One day there will be limited to no local rec progams for kids to participate and enjoy the game. The club system has made the sport elitist and provided and false sense of entitlement for parents and kids. My kid does play club because there is no place of oppotunity to play at a level where he belongs. Also he has friends in middle school who are inspired to play and have no where to go and no resources. #Shrinkingthegame. #mykidplaysclub.
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
Based on conversations I have had, neither hawks or madlax have any who fall into this category. And while some believe strongly that next level has at least one, I do not think that will be the case either.
FCA allegedly has one or two. True has one maybe two.
But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care.
FCA has four that are openly known. Based on the substantial # of holdbacks on both 2028 ML and Hawks from multiple states, I can't imagine their 2029 teams have NONE/ZERO. But maybe that's true. We all know the "holdbacks are no big deal" parents don't openly admit that they held back their sons for lax....until their son makes varsity.
What I'm interested in seeing is how this shakes up the CT/RI/MA clubs (notably S2S, 4 Leaf and Laxachusetts) whose kids play down without even re-classing in middle school, on the pretext that they WILL reclass in the future at some point. That scenario ranks up there with double holdbacks as "reasons that age based lax finally showed up."
Hahaha.... "FCA has four that are openly known".... Hahaha.... this is why I love reading BOTC... lots of dad's acting like old spinsters spreading gossip as if its fact. FCA has exactly two players (one starter) that are impacted.
And you know this due to the inherent transparency and radical candor of holdback parents? Or because you're on the FCA staff , Looking at birthdays, and policing BOTC?
More importantly, are you counting the kids who did late start kindergarten.
Guess you will all find out who is telling the truth after tryouts and the new teams are formed.
But while on the birthdate/holdback topic. I watched a 2029 game today in which a player on one of the teams was taller than the ref as well as both of his coaches. The ref was 6ft tall. This was 2029, before 99.999% of boys hit puberty. He took the face offs against normal size 29s and won them all. He scored, they put a pole in his hand and put him on defense end of the game where he hurt a kid. Parents on his team quiet as a mouse the whole game. Parents on the other team not believing what they are watching. 2029 players, and this kids taller than my 15 yr old with just as much leg hair. Coaches high fiving him after he scored. Age base teams can’t get here fast enough.
Guess you will all find out who is telling the truth after tryouts and the new teams are formed.
But while on the birthdate/holdback topic. I watched a 2029 game today in which a player on one of the teams was taller than the ref as well as both of his coaches. The ref was 6ft tall. This was 2029, before 99.999% of boys hit puberty. He took the face offs against normal size 29s and won them all. He scored, they put a pole in his hand and put him on defense end of the game where he hurt a kid. Parents on his team quiet as a mouse the whole game. Parents on the other team not believing what they are watching. 2029 players, and this kids taller than my 15 yr old with just as much leg hair. Coaches high fiving him after he scored. Age base teams can’t get here fast enough.
If this is true, why not call out the team in question? Otherwise just seems like a made up story to further fuel the flames on this topic.
Guess you will all find out who is telling the truth after tryouts and the new teams are formed.
But while on the birthdate/holdback topic. I watched a 2029 game today in which a player on one of the teams was taller than the ref as well as both of his coaches. The ref was 6ft tall. This was 2029, before 99.999% of boys hit puberty. He took the face offs against normal size 29s and won them all. He scored, they put a pole in his hand and put him on defense end of the game where he hurt a kid. Parents on his team quiet as a mouse the whole game. Parents on the other team not believing what they are watching. 2029 players, and this kids taller than my 15 yr old with just as much leg hair. Coaches high fiving him after he scored. Age base teams can’t get here fast enough.
Wah. No kids are allowed to be taller than my kid. Wah. Unless you know the kid was actually older, you are just a whiner who is having a hard time coping with defeat.
Guess you will all find out who is telling the truth after tryouts and the new teams are formed.
But while on the birthdate/holdback topic. I watched a 2029 game today in which a player on one of the teams was taller than the ref as well as both of his coaches. The ref was 6ft tall. This was 2029, before 99.999% of boys hit puberty. He took the face offs against normal size 29s and won them all. He scored, they put a pole in his hand and put him on defense end of the game where he hurt a kid. Parents on his team quiet as a mouse the whole game. Parents on the other team not believing what they are watching. 2029 players, and this kids taller than my 15 yr old with just as much leg hair. Coaches high fiving him after he scored. Age base teams can’t get here fast enough.
Wah. No kids are allowed to be taller than my kid. Wah. Unless you know the kid was actually older, you are just a whiner who is having a hard time coping with defeat.
Says the one whose kid has to go back to his on age team in a month.
In all seriousness, the parents of holdbacks should really keep an eye on their kids mental health. I have a feeling some of these kids going to their age level will be in for a rude awakening and won’t be able to handle the competition they are not use to. They won’t be able to handle not being number 1 and won’t be able to handle possibly not making a team of their choice. This won’t be all cases but some will have to deal with this.
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
Based on conversations I have had, neither hawks or madlax have any who fall into this category. And while some believe strongly that next level has at least one, I do not think that will be the case either.
FCA allegedly has one or two. True has one maybe two.
But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care.
FCA has four that are openly known. Based on the substantial # of holdbacks on both 2028 ML and Hawks from multiple states, I can't imagine their 2029 teams have NONE/ZERO. But maybe that's true. We all know the "holdbacks are no big deal" parents don't openly admit that they held back their sons for lax....until their son makes varsity.
What I'm interested in seeing is how this shakes up the CT/RI/MA clubs (notably S2S, 4 Leaf and Laxachusetts) whose kids play down without even re-classing in middle school, on the pretext that they WILL reclass in the future at some point. That scenario ranks up there with double holdbacks as "reasons that age based lax finally showed up."
Hahaha.... "FCA has four that are openly known".... Hahaha.... this is why I love reading BOTC... lots of dad's acting like old spinsters spreading gossip as if its fact. FCA has exactly two players (one starter) that are impacted.
And you know this due to the inherent transparency and radical candor of holdback parents? Or because you're on the FCA staff , Looking at birthdays, and policing BOTC?
More importantly, are you counting the kids who did late start kindergarten.
I'm commenting as an FCA parent who has been informed of the two players who are impacted by age verification. Our club doesn't play games. The coaching staff is transparent.
Saw National LC play against my son's team at Naptown. They were everything I had heard they were. Just a machine. Lot of big kids out there, but I didn't see any baby giraffes running around out there. If those boys are true 2029's, then good on them. Lots of good lacrosse to be played in the future. If they're not, shame on their parents and coaches for playing them down. Either way excited for the new age rules. If the older kids are truly great, they should have no trouble making a 2028 squad. At the very least they got their last hurrah this summer playing against younger kids.
As an aside, my son's regular club team's goalie has been reclassed twice. For three years most of us believed he was this athletic prodigy. Come to find out, he's not eligible to play with us next year. As a 2029, he's an excellent goalie, if he's a true 2028 or 2027, not that impressive. Takes the reps away from a kid who could benefit from developing with kids his age. Youth lacrosse could benefit from taking a page out of youth soccer's play book. Don't get me wrong, youth soccer has its issues, but age verification and rostering/guest player rules are light years ahead of youth lacrosse.
Anyone know how many kids the Hawks/Madlax/NL will lose to the 2028 teams due to age?
Based on conversations I have had, neither hawks or madlax have any who fall into this category. And while some believe strongly that next level has at least one, I do not think that will be the case either.
FCA allegedly has one or two. True has one maybe two.
But until someone proves they are gonna enforce these rules no one should care.
FCA has four that are openly known. Based on the substantial # of holdbacks on both 2028 ML and Hawks from multiple states, I can't imagine their 2029 teams have NONE/ZERO. But maybe that's true. We all know the "holdbacks are no big deal" parents don't openly admit that they held back their sons for lax....until their son makes varsity.
What I'm interested in seeing is how this shakes up the CT/RI/MA clubs (notably S2S, 4 Leaf and Laxachusetts) whose kids play down without even re-classing in middle school, on the pretext that they WILL reclass in the future at some point. That scenario ranks up there with double holdbacks as "reasons that age based lax finally showed up."
Hahaha.... "FCA has four that are openly known".... Hahaha.... this is why I love reading BOTC... lots of dad's acting like old spinsters spreading gossip as if its fact. FCA has exactly two players (one starter) that are impacted.
And you know this due to the inherent transparency and radical candor of holdback parents? Or because you're on the FCA staff , Looking at birthdays, and policing BOTC?
More importantly, are you counting the kids who did late start kindergarten.
I'm commenting as an FCA parent who has been informed of the two players who are impacted by age verification. Our club doesn't play games. The coaching staff is transparent.
Guess you will all find out who is telling the truth after tryouts and the new teams are formed.
But while on the birthdate/holdback topic. I watched a 2029 game today in which a player on one of the teams was taller than the ref as well as both of his coaches. The ref was 6ft tall. This was 2029, before 99.999% of boys hit puberty. He took the face offs against normal size 29s and won them all. He scored, they put a pole in his hand and put him on defense end of the game where he hurt a kid. Parents on his team quiet as a mouse the whole game. Parents on the other team not believing what they are watching. 2029 players, and this kids taller than my 15 yr old with just as much leg hair. Coaches high fiving him after he scored. Age base teams can’t get here fast enough.
Wah. No kids are allowed to be taller than my kid. Wah. Unless you know the kid was actually older, you are just a whiner who is having a hard time coping with defeat.
Says the one whose kid has to go back to his on age team in a month.
My boys previously played on a team with an extremely large player. He is a legit 2029. 6' tall probably 160lbs. going into 7th grade. Dad is 6'8". I told his Dad he needs to bring a birth certificate to games just so families know he's not cheating.
Middle school is tough. Many kids hit puberty early. My kid is later.
Sad that bringing a birth certificate even needs to be mentioned. I’ve seen big kids with big parents and big kids with small parents. If you think lacrosse kids are big then stay away from elite youth basketball. My 7th grader played against a 6’8” 13yr old kid dunking over everyone.
This would never be a problem if adults would stop cheating a system. Honesty is out the window and anything for an advantage is the new norm. It’s the expectations we have set for the next generation.
Tryouts for a lot of teams start this weekend..............should be interesting to see what teams fold, what teams improve, etc.
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Was told FCA is trying to field a 2nd team at the 2029 level.
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Kids from which teams? Or do you just like spreading vague rumors?
As the season is coming to an end here are the current, top 10, Maryland Rankings. Hawks and Next Level definitely belong at the top. True Chesapeake, FCA, and LTLC are top 3,4, and 5 and can easily be interchanged in my opinion if they go head to head. Who knows what the outcome will be. The bottom 5 out 10 are exactly that. Interesting to see how age verification will impact this list next year. I am sure every top team will be losing some players. (numbers represent where they rank nationally)
3 Annapolis Hawks Green (2029)
9 Next Level 2029
11 FCA MD 2029
42 True Chesapeake (2029)
45 LTLC Legends 2029
81 Saltwater South (2029)
112 Bethesda LC 2029 Blue
117 True Baltimore Black (2029)
119 Kelly Post Grey (2029)
121 Predators MD (2029)
Hawks definitely #1
Next Level #2
3-5....let's remember that LTLC does not exist anymore. Crabs 2029 is now in play. They already had 4-5 guest players playing with them this summer and hearing that there is a lot of turnover within LTLC coming with that transition.
If age verification goes through both True and FCA would lose one big piece of there offense from last season from what I have been told.
6-10....what the heck has happened to Predators and True Baltimore Black? After having success and winning the 2029 AAA division of HOCO, Preds has had a tough summer. Just lost to Team Money 2029 this past weekend who didn't win one game in AAA this spring.
Year after year it amazes me the difference in talent, skill level, and coaching between the Elite Teams and the AAA division. Very interested to see if Team 91 MD gets bumped to AAA or if they hold.
Hearing that VLC's best player may be leaving and could have others following as well.
Hawks could be number one just need to cut the st Mary’s ball hog kids. Team be better off. Win as team lose when we play ball hog.
Never going to happen…Hogan cowers to St Mary’s parents.
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Only one of their "elite" teams even made it to the hoco championship. Why pay the 3k?
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Kids from which teams? Or do you just like spreading vague rumors?
Word is the best few players from VLC and some hawks
True Baltimore is to one team with a total of 23 kids show up to try outs. The other coach and kids went to Preds. Kp’s top team folded leaving their lower team to struggle.
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Kids from which teams? Or do you just like spreading vague rumors?
Word is the best few players from VLC and some hawks
Hahaha... spoken like a True parent! Sure... the best kids on programs like VLC or Hawks would jump at a chance to join an elite team like True!
Funniest thing I've heard all day!
As the season is coming to an end here are the current, top 10, Maryland Rankings. Hawks and Next Level definitely belong at the top. True Chesapeake, FCA, and LTLC are top 3,4, and 5 and can easily be interchanged in my opinion if they go head to head. Who knows what the outcome will be. The bottom 5 out 10 are exactly that. Interesting to see how age verification will impact this list next year. I am sure every top team will be losing some players. (numbers represent where they rank nationally)
3 Annapolis Hawks Green (2029)
9 Next Level 2029
11 FCA MD 2029
42 True Chesapeake (2029)
45 LTLC Legends 2029
81 Saltwater South (2029)
112 Bethesda LC 2029 Blue
117 True Baltimore Black (2029)
119 Kelly Post Grey (2029)
121 Predators MD (2029)
Hawks definitely #1
Next Level #2
3-5....let's remember that LTLC does not exist anymore. Crabs 2029 is now in play. They already had 4-5 guest players playing with them this summer and hearing that there is a lot of turnover within LTLC coming with that transition.
If age verification goes through both True and FCA would lose one big piece of there offense from last season from what I have been told.
6-10....what the heck has happened to Predators and True Baltimore Black? After having success and winning the 2029 AAA division of HOCO, Preds has had a tough summer. Just lost to Team Money 2029 this past weekend who didn't win one game in AAA this spring.
Year after year it amazes me the difference in talent, skill level, and coaching between the Elite Teams and the AAA division. Very interested to see if Team 91 MD gets bumped to AAA or if they hold.
Hearing that VLC's best player may be leaving and could have others following as well.
Hawks could be number one just need to cut the st Mary’s ball hog kids. Team be better off. Win as team lose when we play ball hog.
Never going to happen…Hogan cowers to St Mary’s parents.
Ummm what? St Mary’s ball hog kids? Aren’t there like three or four kids from st Mary’s on that team?
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Kids from which teams? Or do you just like spreading vague rumors?
Word is the best few players from VLC and some hawks
Lots of "rumors" swirling around this time of year and will be interesting to see how the dust settles.
1. Heard VLC's top 5 players are all leaving and have made the True Chesapeake Team. Unfortunately that is probably the death of VLC 2029 being elite and should really elevate True Chesapeake to a top 3 team if 100% true.
2. Predators is having two teams as several of the True Baltimore players are relocating due to coaching changes.
3. Crabs 2029 had a dose of reality this weekend at the NLF Championship. High and lows on that team and there will certainly be new faces arriving and old faces looking to leave.
4. A lot of Team 91 players trying out all over the place. Not sure if they are talented enough to help FCA or LTLC/Crabs. Will be interesting to see where Team 91 lands with it's roster and what division they participate in.
5. Heard hawks is losing a few guys as well, but most importantly losing their goalie. Should be interesting to see who the pluck away to fill that position.
Look forward to seeing how the dust settles!
There true Baltimore situation is a mess. Not sure moving to Preds will help the. At all. Crabs struggled at NLF very up and down but finally seeing some talented teams. Madlax is struggling at NLF. Waiting to hear the ML excuses coming. Where is the hawks goalie going. Summer tournaments are hit or miss witha mish mosh of kids on teams. Hard to get. A good read of the true team.
There true Baltimore situation is a mess. Not sure moving to Preds will help the. At all. Crabs struggled at NLF very up and down but finally seeing some talented teams. Madlax is struggling at NLF. Waiting to hear the ML excuses coming. Where is the hawks goalie going. Summer tournaments are hit or miss witha mish mosh of kids on teams. Hard to get. A good read of the true team.
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Kids from which teams? Or do you just like spreading vague rumors?
Word is the best few players from VLC and some hawks
Lots of "rumors" swirling around this time of year and will be interesting to see how the dust settles.
1. Heard VLC's top 5 players are all leaving and have made the True Chesapeake Team. Unfortunately that is probably the death of VLC 2029 being elite and should really elevate True Chesapeake to a top 3 team if 100% true.
2. Predators is having two teams as several of the True Baltimore players are relocating due to coaching changes.
3. Crabs 2029 had a dose of reality this weekend at the NLF Championship. High and lows on that team and there will certainly be new faces arriving and old faces looking to leave.
4. A lot of Team 91 players trying out all over the place. Not sure if they are talented enough to help FCA or LTLC/Crabs. Will be interesting to see where Team 91 lands with it's roster and what division they participate in.
5. Heard hawks is losing a few guys as well, but most importantly losing their goalie. Should be interesting to see who the pluck away to fill that position.
Look forward to seeing how the dust settles!
What happened to the Hawks goalie? They are in trouble. He was the best goalie in the class hands-down. None of the other teams have a goalie that can replace him!
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Kids from which teams? Or do you just like spreading vague rumors?
Word is the best few players from VLC and some hawks
Hahaha... spoken like a True parent! Sure... the best kids on programs like VLC or Hawks would jump at a chance to join an elite team like True!
Funniest thing I've heard all day!
You sound like a fool. An arrogant one at that.
I heard the true Baltimore teams have been cut in half. Enough players came to try outs to field one team. Of those players 20 or so are returning players. Heard it from a parent from the team. Why would hawks and Vic players go to true Baltimore to play when there are better teams closer to them. Remember true Baltimore and true Chesapeake are two completely different teams.
There true Baltimore situation is a mess. Not sure moving to Preds will help the. At all. Crabs struggled at NLF very up and down but finally seeing some talented teams. Madlax is struggling at NLF. Waiting to hear the ML excuses coming. Where is the hawks goalie going. Summer tournaments are hit or miss witha mish mosh of kids on teams. Hard to get. A good read of the true team.
Heard true did a complete overhaul. Tons of kids from other programs
Kids from which teams? Or do you just like spreading vague rumors?
Word is the best few players from VLC and some hawks
Lots of "rumors" swirling around this time of year and will be interesting to see how the dust settles.
1. Heard VLC's top 5 players are all leaving and have made the True Chesapeake Team. Unfortunately that is probably the death of VLC 2029 being elite and should really elevate True Chesapeake to a top 3 team if 100% true.
2. Predators is having two teams as several of the True Baltimore players are relocating due to coaching changes.
3. Crabs 2029 had a dose of reality this weekend at the NLF Championship. High and lows on that team and there will certainly be new faces arriving and old faces looking to leave.
4. A lot of Team 91 players trying out all over the place. Not sure if they are talented enough to help FCA or LTLC/Crabs. Will be interesting to see where Team 91 lands with it's roster and what division they participate in.
5. Heard hawks is losing a few guys as well, but most importantly losing their goalie. Should be interesting to see who the pluck away to fill that position.
Look forward to seeing how the dust settles!
What happened to the Hawks goalie? They are in trouble. He was the best goalie in the class hands-down. None of the other teams have a goalie that can replace him!
Maybe he is a victim of age verification?
True, no pun intended. Top 8 kids from VLC joined True C.
True, no pun intended. Top 8 kids from VLC joined True C.
Plus the fly ins coming for hoco and tournaments.
Kids from Virginia are joining a team based in Annapolis? Are they not required to attend practices?
Top 5 Club teams in 2029?
Top 5 Club teams in 2029?
ML
Hawks
Next Level
FCA
LTLC/CRABS
Parents ruining the hawks team drama drama drama.
Saw ML play this weekend at NLF. They have either lost a step or everyone else is getting better. ML is not as dominant as it was. I would put hawks in front of them. But agree the top 5. (except Mad Lax is not considered a Maryland team considered to be Virginia.
For this past season - Next year is unknown because of the changes.
1. Hawks
2 Next Level
3/4//5. LTLC/Crabs/FCA/True Chesapeake (Based on week to week).
Nothing else seems to come close.
How are tryouts going. Anyone give any number updates? Looking for what high interest is in Maryland teams. Not looking for drama or controversy.
FCA has it's tryouts this week.
There true Baltimore situation is a mess. Not sure moving to Preds will help the. At all. Crabs struggled at NLF very up and down but finally seeing some talented teams. Madlax is struggling at NLF. Waiting to hear the ML excuses coming. Where is the hawks goalie going. Summer tournaments are hit or miss witha mish mosh of kids on teams. Hard to get. A good read of the true team.
IIRC the head coach of True Baltimore is that same guy who accidentally? blew up the 2029 Crabs team. If he's leaving True, that's good for True. If he is headed to Preds, that's the most Preds thing to happen this month. Advice on Preds - the upper management is hands off, borderline non existent. So if your son has a connection with a coach (and the 2029 Preds players seem to LOVE their coaches), your son will have a great year. But if things aren't going well, nobody is coming to fix the situation.
Parents ruining the hawks team drama drama drama.
Must have been a typo. Parent coaches ruining the hawks team drama drama drama
Saw ML play this weekend at NLF. They have either lost a step or everyone else is getting better. ML is not as dominant as it was. I would put hawks in front of them. But agree the top 5. (except Mad Lax is not considered a Maryland team considered to be Virginia.
For this past season - Next year is unknown because of the changes.
1. Hawks
2 Next Level
3/4//5. LTLC/Crabs/FCA/True Chesapeake (Based on week to week).
Nothing else seems to come close.
How are tryouts going. Anyone give any number updates? Looking for what high interest is in Maryland teams. Not looking for drama or controversy.
FCA has it's tryouts this week.
For ML, what is there area of need?
Kids from Virginia are joining a team based in Annapolis? Are they not required to attend practices?
You know how true does it! Sell your soul to compete. Culture isn’t important. Let them play even if they aren’t able to make it to practice.
Seems to have really worked with their 2028 team.
ML is still good however they don't seem as dominant as they have been. Watched some parts games and they seemed to struggle moving the ball faster than normal in transistion and on offense. Slow transition on defensive fast breaks. Again they are still a good team. They gaps in elite teams is getting smaller it seems.
Saw ML play this weekend at NLF. They have either lost a step or everyone else is getting better. ML is not as dominant as it was. I would put hawks in front of them. But agree the top 5. (except Mad Lax is not considered a Maryland team considered to be Virginia.
For this past season - Next year is unknown because of the changes.
1. Hawks
2 Next Level
3/4//5. LTLC/Crabs/FCA/True Chesapeake (Based on week to week).
Nothing else seems to come close.
How are tryouts going. Anyone give any number updates? Looking for what high interest is in Maryland teams. Not looking for drama or controversy.
FCA has it's tryouts this week.
For ML, what is there area of need?
LSM, Goalie and FOGO
Kids from Virginia are joining a team based in Annapolis? Are they not required to attend practices?
Not just Virginia but most of the kids in question live out toward Leesburg. That is at least a 2 hour trek in rush hour.
Cmon NL dad, should have made tour team 1.
Not sure that is a great move. True brought two National teams to Pinnacle this weekend. Each won one game all weekend.
Saw ML play this weekend at NLF. They have either lost a step or everyone else is getting better. ML is not as dominant as it was. I would put hawks in front of them. But agree the top 5. (except Mad Lax is not considered a Maryland team considered to be Virginia.
For this past season - Next year is unknown because of the changes.
1. Hawks
2 Next Level
3/4//5. LTLC/Crabs/FCA/True Chesapeake (Based on week to week).
Nothing else seems to come close.
How are tryouts going. Anyone give any number updates? Looking for what high interest is in Maryland teams. Not looking for drama or controversy.
FCA has it's tryouts this week.
For ML, what is there area of need?
LSM, Goalie and FOGO
They actually have two very good faceoff kids but they both play the field as significant contributors to the offense. At this age specialization starts to happen.
Looks like they don’t have enough coaches if you ask me. I saw a teenager helping them at Naptown. And he was the second of two present at that time.
It is a shame that Northern Virginia cannot get an elite team IN Virginia....
[quote=Anonymous]Kids from Virginia are joining a team based in Annapolis? Are they not required to attend practices?
Nope. They won’t be there when their national teams are playing either. Like the fly ins, they will show up, hand your kid their water bottle and head right on the field. This will age well, bet
NLF supposed to be club tournament, but looks to have been filled with national teams. ML lost, Pride lost, ecclipse laxchussets lost. Was won by a team with kids from many places (and ages).
I noticed. So will we ever get a good gage of which teams are the best?
this is correct for the green team. he blew up crabs and was instrumental in helping blow up both green and blue true teams. He is NOT going to Pred's
Nope. Kids will practice and the regional club will de-conflict tournament schedules with the national teams. Not that hard.
NLF supposed to be club tournament, but looks to have been filled with national teams. ML lost, Pride lost, ecclipse laxchussets lost. Was won by a team with kids from many places (and ages).
NLF? I didn’t see any national teams at NLF. PINNACLE did. Resolute which I think is out of Ohio won the whole thing didn’t they? Which had to be a shocker
Nope. Kids will practice and the regional club will de-conflict tournament schedules with the national teams. Not that hard.
Except they don’t. Been there. Done that. Consider yourselves warned.
Resolute had 2 teams at the 2029 level. One was an all star team and the other was a 29/30 team that was just put together. The team g0t blow out. Felt bad for the team.
Resolute Youth White 0 3 0 -37 3 40
The Resolute team must have gotten lost on their way to the 2027 fields. They had a full head on every other team there. The WCS team was pulling kids off of other WCS teams (older) all during the tournament. I guess one last year before you're required to prove your age was worth it for some programs...
I noticed. So will we ever get a good gage of which teams are the best?
Rankings needs to be verified properly.
1) Club teams. Teams that practice and play together all year. Same roster august thru July.
2)National teams should be labeled as a “show case team 1,2 or 3”. Since it’s such a player turnover tournament to tournament, put a number after the team name for each tournament unless the keep the same roster.
Yeah kind of fool to see a west coast and Ohio team in the championship game
The Resolute team had 10+ different helmets and the kids were monsters compared to the actual club teams who were there. Sweetlax brought their combined national team as did WCS. National, mixed, all star, combined teams whatever you want to call it were all over NLF this year. There should be an actual tournament with on-age kids playing for their actual club. Would be so refreshing.
Nope. Kids will practice and the regional club will de-conflict tournament schedules with the national teams. Not that hard.
Where are these kids practicing? They certainly aren't making every practice if they have to travel from NOVA to Annapolis - a couple of times a week. Maybe on weekends but doing that on week day nights - good luck with that. If they aren't practicing with TC, who are they practicing with? Hitting the wall and athletic training only gets you so far.
The Resolute team had 10+ different helmets and the kids were monsters compared to the actual club teams who were there. Sweetlax brought their combined national team as did WCS. National, mixed, all star, combined teams whatever you want to call it were all over NLF this year. There should be an actual tournament with on-age kids playing for their actual club. Would be so refreshing.
Next year. Our only year of it.
West Coast, Resolute and Leading Edge all had some big boys. The 91 LI team put out some big poles and the Eclipse team some very big attackmen. Maybe these kids started growing early and others have not started yet. I can’t imagine everyone is running with 13 and 14 year olds.
Agree there should be no national teams at the NLF. Sweetlax should be Upstate or Florida, not the Navy national team. West Coast Starz shouldn’t be allowed in at all because they are also a national team from all over.
Just look at the WCS page. They create rosters of their choosing to play. “ROSTERS: We will select travel team rosters of up to 26 players per team (6 Attack, 6 Midfield, 2 SSDM, 2 FOGO, 2 LSM, 6 Defense, 2 Goalie).” Run by Adrenaline lacrosse. The team was very good but the reality is these kids aren’t learning anything. Wonder what there year round teams are? Anyone can win doing this. I agree only established teams should be allowed. That’s a real gage of quality.
How are tryouts going around Maryland / DMV area?? From what I've seen / heard.........
-Preds 2029 had over 65+ kids the first night and are moving forward with 2 teams. Lots of True Baltimore Helmets....a few FCA....a few 91.
-True 2029 Baltimore seems to be combining and having an outbreak of players leaving. Looks like 1 weaker team.
-True 2029 Chesapeake picked up several top players from VLC. Sounds like several former players were blindsided and are looking for homes.
-FCA had over 60+ kids on the first night....lots of 91 helmets....a couple LTLC....a couple True Chesapeake....a couple Team Money. Will be interesting if they pursue 2 teams.
-Team 91 helmets have been all over the map. Will be interesting to see how many people leave the program.
-Crabs 2029 / LTLC 2029 had 25-30 kids...with several True Baltimore helmets mixed in with the Crabs helmets
Preds had a lot of True Baltimore players because of the mess at True. Chatted with a TB parent. Team 91 helmets everywhere. How many went to the 91 tryouts? FCA and Preds will carry two teams. Why not the money $$$$. Crabs/LTLC I am sure will add some talent. Sounds like there was a mixed of all helmets all around. Next season will be interesting as many by players will be playing against former players.
Wonder - (some light thoughts)
How many kids left a team because of playing time only to find out they are on a B team or still not getting playing time.
How many parents thought the grass was greener on the other side and it was that much worse.
How many parents and players moved and it was the best thing they did?
Which players/parents thought their spots were guaranteed? Suprise! He gone!
True Baltimore is trying to sell their Green (B) team off as the new Black team and tell kids they will get to play for an elite program. Wonder how many families will get duped by True again.
Biggest question of the summer is how will Preds fare in Elite. They added some pieces from True but I don't see how they will be able to match up to ML/NL/Hawks/TC/FCA/LTLC....
Heard FCA still has some holes to fill on the roster and hasn't identified solutions yet for Lefty Attack, Mid, and FOGO.
Millon staves off the collapse of his 29 team for another by absorbing Kelly Post.
However, adding a bunch of KP players won't make 91 Elite.
This program won't get back on track until MM moves the team down to AAA and lets the kids develop.
Right now, 91 is a great way to get your kid to quit lacrosse.
Millon staves off the collapse of his 29 team for another by absorbing Kelly Post.
However, adding a bunch of KP players won't make 91 Elite.
This program won't get back on track until MM moves the team down to AAA and lets the kids develop.
Right now, 91 is a great way to get your kid to quit lacrosse.
Not gonna happen. A key part of Millon's model is that "every one of our teams plays at the highest bracket available." Yes they may only score 5 goals per calendar year and win 0 games, but they play elite competition and by the way have you seen our 2023 and 2025 teams.
This is important because it keeps the engine running (and funds coming in) until HS when all these kids will be gone, and Millon will fill the gaps with local and out of state private school kids who can play at a high level. The sales pitch after a 9th grade full of new kids, and good wins, will be "see, you parents of 2038 grads, we've developed these 2029 kids since 3rd grade."
Unless Preds have some major players come in, they won't be able to keep up with the elite teams. It's a totally different game speed. ML/NL/Hawks/TC/FCA/LTLC have experienced this level of lacrosse through tournaments and Hoco. Wonder who be the added to Hoco? VLC, 91, Preds
Million do yourself a favor and move those kids down to AAA. Heard a bunch of KP kids went to 91. Haven't they seen their record and success over the past few years? I know it's not about wins and losses necesarilly but you haven't improved. SMH.
91 record since 11/22 -Present. 5 wins 20 Losses 1 tie.
Thoughts-Play for a legit elite team where you are a second stringer with some playing time or make AA B Team expecting/hoping to play more.
sounds like there are still lots of moving parts, it will be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles. We all know that ML, Hawks, NL, TC and FCA will be the real winners in the race to the top of 2029. It still bothers me that the little guys usually lose out when their best players move on but I do understand it, and yes my son plays for one of the little guys.
Thoughts-Play for a legit elite team where you are a second stringer with some playing time or make AA B Team expecting/hoping to play more.
Depends on the kid. Will they be happier playing more or being a role player on a more tented team. It’s about what helps them grow and being happy with their situation.
91 record since 11/22 -Present. 5 wins 20 Losses 1 tie.
Across the board for 91 in 8th grade below has been losing. They don't have a playbook to make winning teams. Skills sessions and all that. Fine. You need more practice then a B/C gets to become elite.
Caring about elite at this age is silly. Find a good coach and get good minutes and training
Now that the tryout season is winding down, any observations from those who hit multiple team tryouts? Are there any teams out there without Dad coaches? Seems like every tryout we went to had that dynamic.
I think all team had dad coaches and I see nothing wrong with that as long as the dads are honest with themselves about putting the beat team out there. I was at multiple try outs and it looks like the same players went to multiple tryouts. I recognized the same players at the same teams. Either the parents have influenced each other or players that are middle of the road are trying to find a team where they won’t be. Just an honest evaluation. The boys are entering a time in their lacrosse “career” where division in talent is becoming more apparent.
I think all team had dad coaches and I see nothing wrong with that as long as the dads are honest with themselves about putting the beat team out there. I was at multiple try outs and it looks like the same players went to multiple tryouts. I recognized the same players at the same teams. Either the parents have influenced each other or players that are middle of the road are trying to find a team where they won’t be. Just an honest evaluation. The boys are entering a time in their lacrosse “career” where division in talent is becoming more apparent.
I think all team had dad coaches and I see nothing wrong with that as long as the dads are honest with themselves about putting the beat team out there. I was at multiple try outs and it looks like the same players went to multiple tryouts. I recognized the same players at the same teams. Either the parents have influenced each other or players that are middle of the road are trying to find a team where they won’t be. Just an honest evaluation. The boys are entering a time in their lacrosse “career” where division in talent is becoming more apparent.
We were at multiple tryouts but it was only to get ready for the team tryout he wanted to make. We did notify teams right away of making the team that we declined. And I think its good to tryout for multiple teams. You need to see the difference between clubs.
I think that’s good way to look at it.
Here’s a thought - ever team in the 2029s has tryouts during the same month. No team can contact players to offer them positions until a specific day. Giving players and parents opportunities to find a team.
What are you thoughts?
I think that’s good way to look at it.
Here’s a thought - ever team in the 2029s has tryouts during the same month. No team can contact players to offer them positions until a specific day. Giving players and parents opportunities to find a team.
What are you thoughts?
That would be nice but there is no governing body and the clubs have no incentive to cooperate. Going through this with my older son, I've found if you are open and honest about your plans and possible options that clubs will hold a spot for you. If you call the "gotta decide within 24hr" bluff you'll usually win.
I think that’s good way to look at it.
Here’s a thought - ever team in the 2029s has tryouts during the same month. No team can contact players to offer them positions until a specific day. Giving players and parents opportunities to find a team.
What are you thoughts?
That would be nice but there is no governing body and the clubs have no incentive to cooperate. Going through this with my older son, I've found if you are open and honest about your plans and possible options that clubs will hold a spot for you. If you call the "gotta decide within 24hr" bluff you'll usually win.
The issue is no government body. This is basically the rule in girls travel volleyball. There is generally a set time frame (usually right at the end of the HS season) when all tryouts are held in about a span of 2 weeks. Offers are extended and you have 2 days to decide. There is some lee way about extensions but not much.
Any rumors on which elite teams improved or took a step back post tryouts? Impact of Age Verification on teams?
I want to remind you ego maniacs that you’re talking about free agency rules like they are professional athletes. Good lord. How about teach your kids to stop looking for the next best thing or to chase rankings. Talkin about governing bodies. You sound like [Censored]
Club lax is quite honestly ruining the growth of the game in maryland. There should be no clubs outside if elite and 3A…there should be rec for everyone else.
It’s all smoke and mirrors…Long Island does it right.
Club lax killed Rec. And is destroying the growth of the game.
Club lax killed Rec. And is destroying the growth of the game.
No it didn’t, that is nonsense.
Club lax killed Rec. And is destroying the growth of the game.
No it didn’t, that is nonsense.
Agree, King Crab .. The Directors of Clubs are
Millon staves off the collapse of his 29 team for another by absorbing Kelly Post.
However, adding a bunch of KP players won't make 91 Elite.
This program won't get back on track until MM moves the team down to AAA and lets the kids develop.
Right now, 91 is a great way to get your kid to quit lacrosse.
Not gonna happen. A key part of Millon's model is that "every one of our teams plays at the highest bracket available." Yes they may only score 5 goals per calendar year and win 0 games, but they play elite competition and by the way have you seen our 2023 and 2025 teams.
This is important because it keeps the engine running (and funds coming in) until HS when all these kids will be gone, and Millon will fill the gaps with local and out of state private school kids who can play at a high level. The sales pitch after a 9th grade full of new kids, and good wins, will be "see, you parents of 2038 grads, we've developed these 2029 kids since 3rd grade."
91 only wants what is best for players, They play elite to get better. Proof is in our teams, look at how they play
Club lax killed Rec. And is destroying the growth of the game.
No it didn’t, that is nonsense.
It absolutely is, unless your goal is to make sure it remains an elitist sport that you can only play if your family has thousands of dollars a year to spend in order to give you a proper experience.
But I’m sure that sentiment won’t resonate with most of you.
Parents are to blame. Not the clubs. FOMO, magnet envy and actually believing that playing club at an elementary school age will secure a spot later on all make parents run to play club. Rec programs certainly didn't do what they could have to keep up. There are still rec options and some good rec based clubs, but overall not enough to overcome the desire to win the local cocktail hours and school drop-off lines.
Why do children play travel baseball? Or AAU basketball? Winter/club swimming; heck, country club swimming is huge in the summer. Every sport has it. If you don’t want your son/daughter playing cuz you believe it’s ruining the sport, don’t play. Simple. Why judge others?
I totally agree! Lacrosse is an elitist. There are people very good people that are growing the game while keeping a very high standard of lacrosse they are able to find a balance. I say people not necessarily teams. The money in this youth sport is very appealing. If I was a lacrosse guy from the beginning I would have jumped on it and taken my share of the pot.
Now that tryouts are over. How did teams do?(remember no kid name or numbers)? FCA looks to create two teams with Preds. FCA lost a big lefty to the new rule but should be ok. Preds have added a lot of players from True. Not sure about LTLC but their core seems to be there. True Baltimore seems the same as last year with the combination of both teams.
Club lax killed Rec. And is destroying the growth of the game.
No it didn’t, that is nonsense.
It absolutely is, unless your goal is to make sure it remains an elitist sport that you can only play if your family has thousands of dollars a year to spend in order to give you a proper experience.
But I’m sure that sentiment won’t resonate with most of you.
Club soccer, AAU basketball, Travel baseball, heck there are even club football teams these days, and you are telling me that club lacrosse is an elitist thing, and responsible for the demise of Rec lacrosse—the fact is Rec sports cannot keep up with the demand that exists. Many club lacrosse teams recognize there are families that cannot write the check for their fees and have scholarships built in to their business model. The narrative that club lax is killing Rec is old tired and just wrong. My child plays both but I have different expectations for each, club has better coaching and more opportunities for events and playing teams from different areas while Rec is typically volunteer dads that may or may not have actually played lacrosse. Games are more local to the area we live and it is mostly about getting to play with classmates and friends that may not play club lacrosse.
My son also plays both and it's fine. However I do see how Rec programs are not taken seriously especially when they are not invited to certain tournament for being club. There needs to be a place for bth to compete at an equal level.
My son also plays both and it's fine. However I do see how Rec programs are not taken seriously especially when they are not invited to certain tournament for being club. There needs to be a place for bth to compete at an equal level.
If you have a place for both competing at the same level then essentially every player is playing club level lacrosse. That is exactly the problem. Not every kid has the ability to play club and that is OK, we want those kids to continue playing at a level that is the best fit for them. Putting those kids in a tournament with real club kids will make them want to quit entirely.
The bottom 2/3rd of club teams are rec level players paying 10x the fees they should. It would be in the parents and kids best interest to return those kids and teams to healthy rec programs. It would not be in the best interest of club directors and tournament organizers though.
The same issue exists for soccer, and it's even worse.
good point. I just see a lot of kids (who just wnt to play) not having places to play lacrosse once they hit 8th grade.
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
FCA needs another faceoff mid.
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
FCA needs another faceoff mid.
Do they? FCA had one of the better face-off guys in the elite division last year. Did he leave?
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
FCA needs another faceoff mid.
Where did the FCA holdbacks go at the 2028 level?
So how is the dust settling after tryouts? Who improved..........who got worse?
HAWKS - Lost goalie for HOCO...heard he will play in tournaments. Picked up some new talent for sure.
MADLAX - ?
NEXT LEVEL - ?
TRUE CHES - Definitely improved!
CRABS - ?
FCA - ?
VLC - They may be falling out of the elite division after the exodus. Sounds like they are back down to 1 team.
TEAM 91 - Going to be a extremely long season. Lots of transition.
PREDS - Definitely got better picked up some studs.
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
FCA needs another faceoff mid.
Where did the FCA holdbacks go at the 2028 level?
Across the board I think the 2028 division experienced many more 2027 holdbacks this time around just to be the last class to beat the new Age Verification rules.
So how is the dust settling after tryouts? Who improved..........who got worse?
HAWKS - Lost goalie for HOCO...heard he will play in tournaments. Picked up some new talent for sure.
MADLAX - ?
NEXT LEVEL - ?
TRUE CHES - Definitely improved!
CRABS - ?
FCA - ?
VLC - They may be falling out of the elite division after the exodus. Sounds like they are back down to 1 team.
TEAM 91 - Going to be a extremely long season. Lots of transition.
PREDS - Definitely got better picked up some studs.
Predators - Picked up several new players and also added a 2nd team. Heard they picked up LTLC/CRABS starting goalie, 1 or 2 FCA guys, and a ton of True Lacrosse players. Should help them out definitely as they move to elite.
FCA - Lost there big lefty attackman and goalie to age verification. Lost a few to PREDS.
Next Level - Lost two players to age verification. Picked up a couple studs though.
LTLC/Crabs - Heard they lost there goalie to Preds, but picked up a couple new offensive players that were playing up on Crabs 2028.
Preds picked up fca long pole that wants to play attack, Also picked up some boys looking for more playing time. Ended up picking up LTLC 2nd goalie. Not the starter. But not sure if it is confirmed where he will end up according to friends of parents. He was looking at FCA. Preds seem to promise some kids starting positions. not sure on which team. When will it be confirmed if they will play elite because they have told players that their second team is AAA. Hope it doesn't fall through. It would be a shame for players. They will improve this year.
FCA lost there age verification kids. Lost some players to other teams. Looking to fill in some spots. Picked up a player from LTLC not sure if FCA will carry two teams.
LTLC kept most of their team. Had a couple players leave looking for more playing time. Looking for a second goalie still. Added some new players. Should remain the same as last season or better.
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
FCA needs another faceoff mid.
Do they? FCA had one of the better face-off guys in the elite division last year. Did he leave?
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
FCA needs another faceoff mid.
Do they? FCA had one of the better face-off guys in the elite division last year. Did he leave?
He’s still there but they lost their 2nd face-off option.
One thing I really like about this age and teams is how the teams are getting better through specific positions and team building. You can really see which players have played together for a really long time and those teams that have had limited time together. Hawks seems to have had a solid core of the same players by how they perform on the field, and understanding each others roles. LTLC has a solid core from years ago and has the ability to add players and get them in the rotation fairly quick and up and running. True Chesapeake is the same way with having a solid core. FCA has had some work horses that seemed to carry the team but with those players leaving not sure who will carry the weight or step up as leaders. FCA does some good team building stuff but will it be enough for the following year. Predators and True Baltimore are up in the air since it will be bringing in so many players and understanding each other may be difficult.
Millon staves off the collapse of his 29 team for another by absorbing Kelly Post.
However, adding a bunch of KP players won't make 91 Elite.
This program won't get back on track until MM moves the team down to AAA and lets the kids develop.
Right now, 91 is a great way to get your kid to quit lacrosse.
Not gonna happen. A key part of Millon's model is that "every one of our teams plays at the highest bracket available." Yes they may only score 5 goals per calendar year and win 0 games, but they play elite competition and by the way have you seen our 2023 and 2025 teams.
This is important because it keeps the engine running (and funds coming in) until HS when all these kids will be gone, and Millon will fill the gaps with local and out of state private school kids who can play at a high level. The sales pitch after a 9th grade full of new kids, and good wins, will be "see, you parents of 2038 grads, we've developed these 2029 kids since 3rd grade."
91 only wants what is best for players, They play elite to get better. Proof is in our teams, look at how they play
Yeah Mark, getting whooped by 12 points every week really helps with offensive IQ and stick skills.
Aside from the 2023 and 2025 rosters, the 91 kids "getting better" on the youth teams are cut after 8th grade...I'm sorry..."given their realistic options for next season." The 2029 team has had something like 160% turnover in the past 24 months. How are you developing those players, exactly?
Were the KP kids advised that the roster will be 32 kid's by June, and 2/3 of the KP kids won't be invited back next July? Or did they buy the development sales pitch.
Millon staves off the collapse of his 29 team for another by absorbing Kelly Post.
However, adding a bunch of KP players won't make 91 Elite.
This program won't get back on track until MM moves the team down to AAA and lets the kids develop.
Right now, 91 is a great way to get your kid to quit lacrosse.
Not gonna happen. A key part of Millon's model is that "every one of our teams plays at the highest bracket available." Yes they may only score 5 goals per calendar year and win 0 games, but they play elite competition and by the way have you seen our 2023 and 2025 teams.
This is important because it keeps the engine running (and funds coming in) until HS when all these kids will be gone, and Millon will fill the gaps with local and out of state private school kids who can play at a high level. The sales pitch after a 9th grade full of new kids, and good wins, will be "see, you parents of 2038 grads, we've developed these 2029 kids since 3rd grade."
91 only wants what is best for players, They play elite to get better. Proof is in our teams, look at how they play
I think from 2026-2033 teams, 91 is something like 30 wins and 150 losses over the last 3 years. That's how they play.
Preds picked up fca long pole that wants to play attack, Also picked up some boys looking for more playing time. Ended up picking up LTLC 2nd goalie. Not the starter. But not sure if it is confirmed where he will end up according to friends of parents. He was looking at FCA. Preds seem to promise some kids starting positions. not sure on which team. When will it be confirmed if they will play elite because they have told players that their second team is AAA. Hope it doesn't fall through. It would be a shame for players. They will improve this year.
FCA lost there age verification kids. Lost some players to other teams. Looking to fill in some spots. Picked up a player from LTLC not sure if FCA will carry two teams.
LTLC kept most of their team. Had a couple players leave looking for more playing time. Looking for a second goalie still. Added some new players. Should remain the same as last season or better.
Didn't know King Crab was posting on 2029 board.
LTLC/Crabs lost their best player/middie and some other key pieces. It would be very surprising if they did not take a healthy size step back. We'll see in the fall.
More focus on your team and less on Preds & FCA, King Crab. Preds & FCA will both be fine. Meanwhile, Crabs will look forward to cutting half the LTLC team next year (like they did at the 2027 and 2028 levels this year, and last year, and do pretty much every year at the middle school level.) Heavy heavy churn at the Crabs. Don't know who is in for a ruder awakening, the KP boys that fell for the 91MD sales pitch or the LTLC boys that have fallen for the Crabs pitch.
Umm that wasn’t from king crab or LTLC. Just some observations from a parent that has been to many tryouts.
So how is the dust settling after tryouts? Who improved..........who got worse?
HAWKS - Lost goalie for HOCO...heard he will play in tournaments. Picked up some new talent for sure.
MADLAX - ?
NEXT LEVEL - ?
TRUE CHES - Definitely improved!
CRABS - ?
FCA - ?
VLC - They may be falling out of the elite division after the exodus. Sounds like they are back down to 1 team.
TEAM 91 - Going to be a extremely long season. Lots of transition.
PREDS - Definitely got better picked up some studs.
Predators - Picked up several new players and also added a 2nd team. Heard they picked up LTLC/CRABS starting goalie, 1 or 2 FCA guys, and a ton of True Lacrosse players. Should help them out definitely as they move to elite.
FCA - Lost there big lefty attackman and goalie to age verification. Lost a few to PREDS.
Next Level - Lost two players to age verification. Picked up a couple studs though.
LTLC/Crabs - Heard they lost there goalie to Preds, but picked up a couple new offensive players that were playing up on Crabs 2028.
Big lefty from FCA went to Crabs B team....not a good move. How about the goalie?
Or the FCA, Preds, true, madlax 91 hawks pitch. Every team has a pitch. Leave it on the field from year to year. Players switch leave and even decide not to play. I am surprised how personal adults take this s#%^. If this banter make you jolly keep going. Let people choose what they want. And let kids play. Learn how to make positive observations and make this a good experience for your player. On I also heard that you get a major award for being a fool.
So how is the dust settling after tryouts? Who improved..........who got worse?
HAWKS - Lost goalie for HOCO...heard he will play in tournaments. Picked up some new talent for sure.
MADLAX - ?
NEXT LEVEL - ?
TRUE CHES - Definitely improved!
CRABS - ?
FCA - ?
VLC - They may be falling out of the elite division after the exodus. Sounds like they are back down to 1 team.
TEAM 91 - Going to be a extremely long season. Lots of transition.
PREDS - Definitely got better picked up some studs.
Predators - Picked up several new players and also added a 2nd team. Heard they picked up LTLC/CRABS starting goalie, 1 or 2 FCA guys, and a ton of True Lacrosse players. Should help them out definitely as they move to elite.
FCA - Lost there big lefty attackman and goalie to age verification. Lost a few to PREDS.
Next Level - Lost two players to age verification. Picked up a couple studs though.
LTLC/Crabs - Heard they lost there goalie to Preds, but picked up a couple new offensive players that were playing up on Crabs 2028.
Big lefty from FCA went to Crabs B team....not a good move. How about the goalie?
Where are these “studs” coming from who went to next level? Lol. And what position was impacted by age verification?
Also, I heard FCA lost their fogo to the same age issue. Is that true?
So how is the dust settling after tryouts? Who improved..........who got worse?
HAWKS - Lost goalie for HOCO...heard he will play in tournaments. Picked up some new talent for sure.
MADLAX - ?
NEXT LEVEL - ?
TRUE CHES - Definitely improved!
CRABS - ?
FCA - ?
VLC - They may be falling out of the elite division after the exodus. Sounds like they are back down to 1 team.
TEAM 91 - Going to be a extremely long season. Lots of transition.
PREDS - Definitely got better picked up some studs.
Hawks- What happen to the goalie? Big lost! Who did they pick up?
So how is the dust settling after tryouts? Who improved..........who got worse?
HAWKS - Lost goalie for HOCO...heard he will play in tournaments. Picked up some new talent for sure.
MADLAX - ?
NEXT LEVEL - ?
TRUE CHES - Definitely improved!
CRABS - ?
FCA - ?
VLC - They may be falling out of the elite division after the exodus. Sounds like they are back down to 1 team.
TEAM 91 - Going to be a extremely long season. Lots of transition.
PREDS - Definitely got better picked up some studs.
Hawks- What happen to the goalie? Big lost! Who did they pick up?
Preds 3 best players went to the 2028 team
Madlax lost some players to 28 teams.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Madlax lost some players to 28 teams.
The 28 team or the 29 team??
I don’t think madlax had any kids who were affected my age verification
Just in case you didn't know.............Crabs 2029 is looking for a Goalie, Strong Offensive Middies, and a FOGO
FCA needs another faceoff mid.
Where did the FCA holdbacks go at the 2028 level?
Across the board I think the 2028 division experienced many more 2027 holdbacks this time around just to be the last class to beat the new Age Verification rules.
Hardly stop with age verification. There is an advantage and everyone knows it. Holdbacks are here as long as there are college coaches who dont care about what age a freshman is. Frankly, they would rather them be older. MIAA is a prefirst rich environment to give boys an advantage, not stopping because of some lacrosse rules to make things fair LOL
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age.
Thanks Holdback Dad
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Honestly some MIAA kids held back 2028 to 2029 in 7th grade because of the number of double HBs (2026s) who started showing up at 2028 seemingly out of nowhere in 6th grade.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Honestly some MIAA kids held back 2028 to 2029 in 7th grade because of the number of double HBs (2026s) who started showing up at 2028 seemingly out of nowhere in 6th grade.
What 2026s playing in 2028?
Stop the malarkey.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age.
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age.
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Whatever helps you sleep at nigh Holdback Dad, and sorry your kid couldn’t cut it with his peers that must have been so devastating for you.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Whatever helps you sleep at nigh Holdback Dad, and sorry your kid couldn’t cut it with his peers that must have been so devastating for you.
Comforting knowing that D1 is in his future . Top player at his age, Superstar player after being reclassed. Expect him to start no later than a Sophomore in MIAA. That is how many do it today. Not alone. Dont get upset with me, get upset with the process.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Whatever helps you sleep at nigh Holdback Dad, and sorry your kid couldn’t cut it with his peers that must have been so devastating for you.
Comforting knowing that D1 is in his future . Top player at his age, Superstar player after being reclassed. Expect him to start no later than a Sophomore in MIAA. That is how many do it today. Not alone. Dont get upset with me, get upset with the process.
My son loves Lacrosse and plays for an elite team. He may not be a “superstar”, but is on age and probably playing against your kid. He will go to the college of his choice based on academics and continue playing lacrosse if he wants. Not upset at all, just a bit shocked by how delusional some are regarding youth sports. No one will give a s$&@ when he’s 24 unless his goal is to make 30k in the PLL.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Whatever helps you sleep at nigh Holdback Dad, and sorry your kid couldn’t cut it with his peers that must have been so devastating for you.
Comforting knowing that D1 is in his future . Top player at his age, Superstar player after being reclassed. Expect him to start no later than a Sophomore in MIAA. That is how many do it today. Not alone. Dont get upset with me, get upset with the process.
Gotcha, Superstar sixth grader that should be in 7th, that definitely projects to a no doubt D1 recruit. It’s clown show in here today.
Wow this convo. is so amusing. Entering 7th grade and the expectations and the projections for players seems high. Hey maybe next week your kid will get an endorsement from axe deodorant or maybe even Pokémon go.
Let’s get somewhat back on topic. Post tryouts and player movements, what are the projections for next year? Will 91 stay in elite? Will Preds move up? Will the mid / bottom of elite make a run?
I love you guys…except for the guy that knows that his 13 year old 6th grader (hahaha) is gonna be a superstar. Odds are you are wrong. So good luck with that homey
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Whatever helps you sleep at nigh Holdback Dad, and sorry your kid couldn’t cut it with his peers that must have been so devastating for you.
Comforting knowing that D1 is in his future . Top player at his age, Superstar player after being reclassed. Expect him to start no later than a Sophomore in MIAA. That is how many do it today. Not alone. Dont get upset with me, get upset with the process.
My son loves Lacrosse and plays for an elite team. He may not be a “superstar”, but is on age and probably playing against your kid. He will go to the college of his choice based on academics and continue playing lacrosse if he wants. Not upset at all, just a bit shocked by how delusional some are regarding youth sports. No one will give a s$&@ when he’s 24 unless his goal is to make 30k in the PLL.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, super Dad with the super son on the elite team with good grades and has his head on right too! Wish we all had it figured out just like you!
He forgot to mention he's also the coach! hahahahah
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
Hawks???
HAven't seen them in any tournaments or heard anything just basing it on last season.
Hawks team could be stronger but daddy ball keeps them back. Lots of talent they missed on at tryouts. only to take daddy’s st Mary’s friends.
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
Hawks???
Hawks is the class of the Elite division. I'd go:
Hawks
ML
NL
True Chesapeake (could be higher with their VLC additions)
FCA
LTLC
VLC (are they even staying in elite?)
Preds
IMO, 91 gets dropped to 3A unless VLC moves out of elite.
Hawks team could be stronger but daddy ball keeps them back. Lots of talent they missed on at tryouts. only to take daddy’s st Mary’s friends.
Sad but true
Wow and here we go again the poster simply asked how the teams faired and look for next season. Yet again someone is upset and needs to say something notIntelligent about daddy ball or what ever it may be. So maybe you should have said Hawks had some kids come to try out but not sure if they picked the best players to make theirteam better.” It’s summer relax.
Wow and here we go again the poster simply asked how the teams faired and look for next season. Yet again someone is upset and needs to say something notIntelligent about daddy ball or what ever it may be. So maybe you should have said Hawks had some kids come to try out but not sure if they picked the best players to make theirteam better.” It’s summer relax.
Why would a coach not take the best kids at tryouts? What other reason can explain this accept daddy ball. Anyone close to the hawks team knows this to be true.
Wow and here we go again the poster simply asked how the teams faired and look for next season. Yet again someone is upset and needs to say something notIntelligent about daddy ball or what ever it may be. So maybe you should have said Hawks had some kids come to try out but not sure if they picked the best players to make theirteam better.” It’s summer relax.
Why would a coach not take the best kids at tryouts? What other reason can explain this accept daddy ball. Anyone close to the hawks team knows this to be true.
Look at the 2026 team. Same MO
Let’s rephrase the comment in another way. How does the hawks team look to fair next year in Hoco?
Wow and here we go again the poster simply asked how the teams faired and look for next season. Yet again someone is upset and needs to say something notIntelligent about daddy ball or what ever it may be. So maybe you should have said Hawks had some kids come to try out but not sure if they picked the best players to make theirteam better.” It’s summer relax.
I’m guessing you’re a St. Mary’s mom, did this strike a nerve? Hit the books lady, your English is atrocious!!!
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Whatever helps you sleep at nigh Holdback Dad, and sorry your kid couldn’t cut it with his peers that must have been so devastating for you.
Comforting knowing that D1 is in his future . Top player at his age, Superstar player after being reclassed. Expect him to start no later than a Sophomore in MIAA. That is how many do it today. Not alone. Dont get upset with me, get upset with the process.
Gotcha, Superstar sixth grader that should be in 7th, that definitely projects to a no doubt D1 recruit. It’s clown show in here today.
Most elite players on top teams that are on the older side (Heldback/prefirst) will be playing elite from now on until graduation. You may not like it, but by 6/7th grade you know . Others on age will join too, but lets not kid ourselves, there is a reason these boys are top players now.
I love you guys…except for the guy that knows that his 13 year old 6th grader (hahaha) is gonna be a superstar. Odds are you are wrong. So good luck with that homey
Some players have it some don't. My odds are good. Guarantee on varsity in 9th grade with starting no later than 10th , possibly 9th at his MIAA school.
Keeping in real in Baltimore
So you are a kid. Pretty confident. That is great. If not you have clearly absconded with your childs youth. Good luck
Guess how many 9th graders started in the miaa last year.
It won't be your son either.
Is this code for “the kids playing down are back at 2028”? Or are 2029 players actually playing up?
New age rules forcing 29 holdbacks out. Will be rude awakening for them to face double holdbacks in 2028. That division has no real age restriction.
Nothing to do with that. It is the grade to do a holdback if you missed the prefirst year. Nothing stopping the flood of holdbacks. Privates could care less about being fair with age
Thanks Holdback Dad
Your welcomed , look at any Ivey, Duke, or top D1 roster. Besides some Long Island boys, the teams are loaded with private school holdbacks . D2 and D3 need players too.
Whatever helps you sleep at nigh Holdback Dad, and sorry your kid couldn’t cut it with his peers that must have been so devastating for you.
Comforting knowing that D1 is in his future . Top player at his age, Superstar player after being reclassed. Expect him to start no later than a Sophomore in MIAA. That is how many do it today. Not alone. Dont get upset with me, get upset with the process.
Gotcha, Superstar sixth grader that should be in 7th, that definitely projects to a no doubt D1 recruit. It’s clown show in here today.
Most elite players on top teams that are on the older side (Heldback/prefirst) will be playing elite from now on until graduation. You may not like it, but by 6/7th grade you know . Others on age will join too, but lets not kid ourselves, there is a reason these boys are top players now.
Really? So how many of the “Elite” 29 holdback kids that had to go to 2028 teams are still going to play Elite? I suspect zero is the correct answer to this question. Because in reality most are post pubescent “superstars” playing against kids who haven’t hit puberty yet. Enjoy it while you can.
Really? So how many of the “Elite” 29 holdback kids that had to go to 2028 teams are still going to play Elite? I suspect zero is the correct answer to this question. Because in reality most are post pubescent “superstars” playing against kids who haven’t hit puberty yet. Enjoy it while you can.
TRUTH!
Clearly we are in the off-season. Back to the holdback chatter. Can't wait for fall ball -- panic and celebration over results from tournaments where teams show up with 14 kids.
"Sophomore starter in the MIAA"
...
At MSJ.
That ain't happening on any MIAA playoff team.
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
OH MY GOD STOP POSTING ABOUT PREDS ON EVERY MARYLAND FORUM ON BACK OF THE CAGE! Irrelevant until PROVEN otherwise and you haven’t proved a thing yet!!!
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
Hope you are right! There is a very large step jump from the AAA division to Elite. Just ask FCA. They went undefeated in AAA in 2022 and went 3-4 in Elite in 2023. It's a difficult transition.
Wow and here we go again the poster simply asked how the teams faired and look for next season. Yet again someone is upset and needs to say something notIntelligent about daddy ball or what ever it may be. So maybe you should have said Hawks had some kids come to try out but not sure if they picked the best players to make theirteam better.” It’s summer relax.
I’m guessing you’re a St. Mary’s mom, did this strike a nerve? Hit the books lady, your English is atrocious!!!
Uneducated St Mary’s parents
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
Hope you are right! There is a very large step jump from the AAA division to Elite. Just ask FCA. They went undefeated in AAA in 2022 and went 3-4 in Elite in 2023. It's a difficult transition.
The Preds 2029 team is well coached by former 91 coaches and 3 straight years of pick-of-the-litter recruits from 91 as well as a few from other AAA clubs. The coaching is what separates them from the similarly talented 2028 Preds team (easily won AA and beat most AAA teams at tournaments, or at least split W/L) that somehow imploded this summer, or the 2027 Preds team that didn't quite become anything over the last 2 years despite having a solid starting lineup. Anyway the 2029 team is peaking at the right time. If Elite doesn't work out, who cares, go tear it up in AAA in 8th grade. Finish strong.
As for 91? They'll demand to stay in Elite. It's important to the brand. They'll keep pushing out youth players and replacing them with dissatisfied elite players from other clubs (no different than anybody else, really). I'd guess they've had something like 150% turnover in the last 3 years alone (blame Predators for this if you like, but it happens at every 91 team 2026-2032). By 9th grade it will be all new kids and the team will be nationally competitive, you can set a watch to it.
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
Hope you are right! There is a very large step jump from the AAA division to Elite. Just ask FCA. They went undefeated in AAA in 2022 and went 3-4 in Elite in 2023. It's a difficult transition.
And both of the teams mentioned reportedly are losing key players to age verification rules, so it remains to be seen what the impact will be for these teams.
Wow and here we go again the poster simply asked how the teams faired and look for next season. Yet again someone is upset and needs to say something notIntelligent about daddy ball or what ever it may be. So maybe you should have said Hawks had some kids come to try out but not sure if they picked the best players to make theirteam better.” It’s summer relax.
Why would a coach not take the best kids at tryouts? What other reason can explain this accept daddy ball. Anyone close to the hawks team knows this to be true.
The coach might evaluate the players differently. IMO, a new player has to be significantly better to replace an existing player (assuming the coach is happy with the player).
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
Hope you are right! There is a very large step jump from the AAA division to Elite. Just ask FCA. They went undefeated in AAA in 2022 and went 3-4 in Elite in 2023. It's a difficult transition.
The Preds 2029 team is well coached by former 91 coaches and 3 straight years of pick-of-the-litter recruits from 91 as well as a few from other AAA clubs. The coaching is what separates them from the similarly talented 2028 Preds team (easily won AA and beat most AAA teams at tournaments, or at least split W/L) that somehow imploded this summer, or the 2027 Preds team that didn't quite become anything over the last 2 years despite having a solid starting lineup. Anyway the 2029 team is peaking at the right time. If Elite doesn't work out, who cares, go tear it up in AAA in 8th grade. Finish strong.
As for 91? They'll demand to stay in Elite. It's important to the brand. They'll keep pushing out youth players and replacing them with dissatisfied elite players from other clubs (no different than anybody else, really). I'd guess they've had something like 150% turnover in the last 3 years alone (blame Predators for this if you like, but it happens at every 91 team 2026-2032). By 9th grade it will be all new kids and the team will be nationally competitive, you can set a watch to it.
"pick of the litter from 91"?!?! What makes you think 91 has any players that are difference makers at the elite level? Their record over the past three years says otherwise. Preds lost their top 4 players to age verification and replaced them with strong AAA-level players.
Yes, they have good coaching and they have an abundance of good/not great players. I doubt that combination gets them wins at the elite level against anyone other than T91 and a very diluted VLC team.
What’s the deal? Does Crabs have a 2029 team or not? Did that group stay at LTLC or make the switch after summer? They didn’t hold tryouts at Crabs for the age group and it’s not listed on the website.
LTLC Legends will do a hybrid year playing as Legends in regular season and a few tourneys and then Crabs in tourneys too.
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
Hope you are right! There is a very large step jump from the AAA division to Elite. Just ask FCA. They went undefeated in AAA in 2022 and went 3-4 in Elite in 2023. It's a difficult transition.
The Preds 2029 team is well coached by former 91 coaches and 3 straight years of pick-of-the-litter recruits from 91 as well as a few from other AAA clubs. The coaching is what separates them from the similarly talented 2028 Preds team (easily won AA and beat most AAA teams at tournaments, or at least split W/L) that somehow imploded this summer, or the 2027 Preds team that didn't quite become anything over the last 2 years despite having a solid starting lineup. Anyway the 2029 team is peaking at the right time. If Elite doesn't work out, who cares, go tear it up in AAA in 8th grade. Finish strong.
As for 91? They'll demand to stay in Elite. It's important to the brand. They'll keep pushing out youth players and replacing them with dissatisfied elite players from other clubs (no different than anybody else, really). I'd guess they've had something like 150% turnover in the last 3 years alone (blame Predators for this if you like, but it happens at every 91 team 2026-2032). By 9th grade it will be all new kids and the team will be nationally competitive, you can set a watch to it.
"pick of the litter from 91"?!?! What makes you think 91 has any players that are difference makers at the elite level? Their record over the past three years says otherwise. Preds lost their top 4 players to age verification and replaced them with strong AAA-level players.
Yes, they have good coaching and they have an abundance of good/not great players. I doubt that combination gets them wins at the elite level against anyone other than T91 and a very diluted VLC team.
The 91 coaches pop onto BOTC with some regularity and will tell us all that they picked out the elite laxers from literal kindergarten and have been coaching them up into the elite (0-20 last year) athletes that they are, and except for the part where they're going to cut all these kids before 9th grade, about how they love to develop players into HS stars.
Oh, you mean in the real world. Yes in the real world, you are correct and below the 2025 grade, 91's players = Preds players. Not sure what advantage there is in shuffling the kids back and forth every year, but they do.
Lots of words.
Save us time with your next post and just tell us up front that your son got cut from both 91 and Preds.
I think most of elite will stay. Not sure what kind of pull 91 has to stay or if hoco says go down. If 91 goes down Preds move up. I think Preds have improved the most of all teams with so many additions. This does not mean they will beat everyone or even come close to winning in elite. Just think odds are they seemed to have the largest pool to choose from. Enough to have 2 teams. All the other teams have improved as well with some additions. Fca lost two contributing players that where difference makers and according to the drama on the fca thread seems like they have some issues. They said they needed a pole and an fogo. LTLC lost some players including their second goalie. but more importantly their middie. They are looking to add a second goalie. True Baltimore is so uncertain who stayed who left. Lots of movement their. Based on this past season Madlax seems to be slowing down with dominance not sure about additions will they be able to keep up. My prediction.
Disclaimer- just an average dad who enjoys watching lacrosse. Probably don’t know what I am talking about. Enjoy observing. My thoughts came from talking to other parents at tournaments, this thread, and many tryouts. Wish we can just talk about lacrosse and not wine and point fingers like many of the other threads
Predictions
Hawks
Next Level
Madlax/LTLC/True C./FCA
Preds/91
Surprise of the season will be LTLC and Preds
Disappointment - will still be 91.
The Preds aren't a surprise. This team is dangerous.
If you haven't seen this coming for 2 years, you're blind.
Talk of the town, baby!
Hope you are right! There is a very large step jump from the AAA division to Elite. Just ask FCA. They went undefeated in AAA in 2022 and went 3-4 in Elite in 2023. It's a difficult transition.
The Preds 2029 team is well coached by former 91 coaches and 3 straight years of pick-of-the-litter recruits from 91 as well as a few from other AAA clubs. The coaching is what separates them from the similarly talented 2028 Preds team (easily won AA and beat most AAA teams at tournaments, or at least split W/L) that somehow imploded this summer, or the 2027 Preds team that didn't quite become anything over the last 2 years despite having a solid starting lineup. Anyway the 2029 team is peaking at the right time. If Elite doesn't work out, who cares, go tear it up in AAA in 8th grade. Finish strong.
As for 91? They'll demand to stay in Elite. It's important to the brand. They'll keep pushing out youth players and replacing them with dissatisfied elite players from other clubs (no different than anybody else, really). I'd guess they've had something like 150% turnover in the last 3 years alone (blame Predators for this if you like, but it happens at every 91 team 2026-2032). By 9th grade it will be all new kids and the team will be nationally competitive, you can set a watch to it.
"pick of the litter from 91"?!?! What makes you think 91 has any players that are difference makers at the elite level? Their record over the past three years says otherwise. Preds lost their top 4 players to age verification and replaced them with strong AAA-level players.
Yes, they have good coaching and they have an abundance of good/not great players. I doubt that combination gets them wins at the elite level against anyone other than T91 and a very diluted VLC team.
The 91 coaches pop onto BOTC with some regularity and will tell us all that they picked out the elite laxers from literal kindergarten and have been coaching them up into the elite (0-20 last year) athletes that they are, and except for the part where they're going to cut all these kids before 9th grade, about how they love to develop players into HS stars.
Oh, you mean in the real world. Yes in the real world, you are correct and below the 2025 grade, 91's players = Preds players. Not sure what advantage there is in shuffling the kids back and forth every year, but they do.
Great point... I don't see how replacing a player that is the equivalent of a 2nd or third line middie or back up attackman on Hawks with another player who with the essentially the same ability level moves Preds up in capabilities.
This is correct About LTLC/CRABS. If you think about it, it makes the best sense especially for kids who are on the fence for playing club, rec, or less elite teams. This upcoming year will give these players and families a taste of what both have to offer. At the end of the season families will be able to figure out where their kid stands talent wise, financially, and the commitment involved.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Guess how many 9th graders started in the miaa last year.
It won't be your son either.
There have been a few, and I am sure mine will be one too. Sorry guys, sometimes you just know
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
This will not age well. Of that I am certain.
Guess how many 9th graders started in the miaa last year.
It won't be your son either.
There have been a few, and I am sure mine will be one too. Sorry guys, sometimes you just know
No chance
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
Just wow on the MIAA starting freshman dad and Predators posts. Can’t make this stuff up.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
LSM are LSM. While they are often in on man down, they are not the 4th or 5th D player on the depth chart. They are LSM.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
LSM are LSM. While they are often in on man down, they are not the 4th or 5th D player on the depth chart. They are LSM.
1-3 Close D , 4-5 LSM , Every Coach has it that way on starting lineup for Poles
That is all because they are trying to get the kids playing time since they aren’t in the top 3 close defense players. It doesn’t even mean they are the best LSM on the team.
So let me get this straight. You are all suggesting that you take your 4th or 5th best pole, put them on the wing for faceoffs and expect them to get the groundball or, if they lose the faceoff, cover the opposing team's best middie and have the speed to get off the field quickly in a change of possession or have the stick skills and stamina to get downfield on a fast break and either make the right pass, preserve possession or go in and score. Good luck playing in the Elite division and in high school because the LSM's at that level are not the 4th or 5th best poles...
Correct. They can’t hack it at close so they play LSM. Most of the time. They cannot read offense, slide at the right time, slide physically enough, play off ball in the passing lanes, etc, etc. sure your kid is a nice player but if he could do all those other things he would play close. Not just a dad comment either. Coach, player…at this age the best players play. If he plays LSM he is the 4th or 5th pole on the team
So let me get this straight. You are all suggesting that you take your 4th or 5th best pole, put them on the wing for faceoffs and expect them to get the groundball or, if they lose the faceoff, cover the opposing team's best middie and have the speed to get off the field quickly in a change of possession or have the stick skills and stamina to get downfield on a fast break and either make the right pass, preserve possession or go in and score. Good luck playing in the Elite division and in high school because the LSM's at that level are not the 4th or 5th best poles...
You can tell coaching has not been in your world,
Correct. They can’t hack it at close so they play LSM. Most of the time. They cannot read offense, slide at the right time, slide physically enough, play off ball in the passing lanes, etc, etc. sure your kid is a nice player but if he could do all those other things he would play close. Not just a dad comment either. Coach, player…at this age the best players play. If he plays LSM he is the 4th or 5th pole on the team
This is a fascinating discussion—and so much better than holdback talk—for those of us who are relatively new to the sport (introduced to it by our kids who play). My son plays LSM and I’ve always thought of it as a specialist position like faceoff since he runs off when possession is gained unless there’s a fast break. But a few years ago a Virginia LSM won midfielder of the year in college lacrosse, which apparently was a big deal because it’s always been an offensive award. I’m assuming that’s in part why you hedged with “Most of the time.” Maybe the UVA guy was a unicorn. Maybe the position is evolving. Would love some knowledgeable lacrosse people to chime in.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
It's important to point out that "who should play LSM" and "who actually plays LSM" are 2 totally different things before HS. Partly because youth coaches can't wait to get them off the field. Zero offensive training given. And those poles' offensive stick skills are often horrible.
My son's team had 3 part time LSMs last year...yes, ridiculous.
The #3 defenseman...too small for now.
The #8 defenseman.....just wanting reps
The #7 middie....just wanting reps.
Original LSM's need to be good poster here. College coaches recruit in this order of priority: Goalie. FOGO, SSDM, LSM. Teams like Next Level, Leading Edge, 91 Pride have legit LSM. Not kids the lower portion of thr detox chart being hidden. Those kids are game changers. You hear opposing coaches yell Bury the Pole , because they don't want to dodge the kid. As far as their place in youth lacrosse, look at the higher level teams and see what they are doing. All 3 of the teams named here are top 10.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
LSM are LSM. While they are often in on man down, they are not the 4th or 5th D player on the depth chart. They are LSM.
1-3 Close D , 4-5 LSM , Every Coach has it that way on starting lineup for Poles
hahahaha.... That's like saying the 4th and 5th attackmen are midfielders because they have short sticks... You must be a Rec dad/coach.
I can assure you that the elite HOCO teams recruit specific players for the LSM role and those players are listed as LSM's. My son plays on an elite team and their D1 would not be able to play LSM at the same level as their student LSM. Likewise, the LSM, while solid at close D, is not on the same level as the starters in that role.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
LSM are LSM. While they are often in on man down, they are not the 4th or 5th D player on the depth chart. They are LSM.
1-3 Close D , 4-5 LSM , Every Coach has it that way on starting lineup for Poles
hahahaha.... That's like saying the 4th and 5th attackmen are midfielders because they have short sticks... You must be a Rec dad/coach.
I can assure you that the elite HOCO teams recruit specific players for the LSM role and those players are listed as LSM's. My son plays on an elite team and their D1 would not be able to play LSM at the same level as their student LSM. Likewise, the LSM, while solid at close D, is not on the same level as the starters in that role.
You might want to actually do some coaching before typing what you just did. Your analogy is nonsense ??? Once again, on starting line up , first three close D are 1-3 due to being on field at start and listed as D, 4 and 5 are LSM due to not being out there until ball goes into Defensive zone. Those are the guys that play. Out on field . Is there a dept chart behind the close D and LSM,,,yeaaa... All this has nothing to do with who is best or athletic. Some thick people here who have never done a lineup let alone coached at any level.
So you go all short poles on the face-off? Coaching genius.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
LSM are LSM. While they are often in on man down, they are not the 4th or 5th D player on the depth chart. They are LSM.
1-3 Close D , 4-5 LSM , Every Coach has it that way on starting lineup for Poles
hahahaha.... That's like saying the 4th and 5th attackmen are midfielders because they have short sticks... You must be a Rec dad/coach.
I can assure you that the elite HOCO teams recruit specific players for the LSM role and those players are listed as LSM's. My son plays on an elite team and their D1 would not be able to play LSM at the same level as their student LSM. Likewise, the LSM, while solid at close D, is not on the same level as the starters in that role.
You might want to actually do some coaching before typing what you just did. Your analogy is nonsense ??? Once again, on starting line up , first three close D are 1-3 due to being on field at start and listed as D, 4 and 5 are LSM due to not being out there until ball goes into Defensive zone. Those are the guys that play. Out on field . Is there a dept chart behind the close D and LSM,,,yeaaa... All this has nothing to do with who is best or athletic. Some thick people here who have never done a lineup let alone coached at any level.
At higher levels a true starting lineup has 14 players and you'll see schools like McD post their 14 starters on game days: 1 goalie, 1 fogo, 1 lsm, 2 ssdm, 3 offensive middies, 3 attack, 3 close defense. At lower levels and younger ages you obviously don't have the specialization and one player will fill 2 (or even 3) of those roles.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
LSM are LSM. While they are often in on man down, they are not the 4th or 5th D player on the depth chart. They are LSM.
1-3 Close D , 4-5 LSM , Every Coach has it that way on starting lineup for Poles
hahahaha.... That's like saying the 4th and 5th attackmen are midfielders because they have short sticks... You must be a Rec dad/coach.
I can assure you that the elite HOCO teams recruit specific players for the LSM role and those players are listed as LSM's. My son plays on an elite team and their D1 would not be able to play LSM at the same level as their student LSM. Likewise, the LSM, while solid at close D, is not on the same level as the starters in that role.
You might want to actually do some coaching before typing what you just did. Your analogy is nonsense ??? Once again, on starting line up , first three close D are 1-3 due to being on field at start and listed as D, 4 and 5 are LSM due to not being out there until ball goes into Defensive zone. Those are the guys that play. Out on field . Is there a dept chart behind the close D and LSM,,,yeaaa... All this has nothing to do with who is best or athletic. Some thick people here who have never done a lineup let alone coached at any level.
All this Lsm talk is all clown talk. If you guys posting are coaches, even more pathetic! Top teams match up best on best when settled 6v6.
It's more interesting than the usual holdback and Preds are the talk of the town chatter. Obviously people feel differently about LSMs.
It's more interesting than the usual holdback and Preds are the talk of the town chatter. Obviously people feel differently about LSMs.
Nope what this group needs is more holdback talk, but maybe holdback Daddy’s moved over to the 28 thread to spout off for the next year.
What kind of of season stuff are teams doing?
What kind of of season stuff are teams doing?
It's still summer. Go to the pool. Don't worry about the season and don't pick up a stick until Coach tells you. This is 2029.
Please People, Stop the Press,,,There is a team of new sheriffs coming, and they are the talk of Baltimore ... and possibly the nation ,
You know them as the.......PREDATORS !!!
Posted by the proud Dad of the 5th Defenseman on Preds... a dad who never played lacrosse and who has never watched a game with an elite youth lacrosse team in his life.
Easy there big girl. You obviously have no idea about lacrosse as the 4th and 5th poles are usually the LSM's...the most athletic players on field.
There is a book by Bob Scott, Lacrosse Technique and Tradition,,, seek it out. Learn a few things
LSM are LSM. While they are often in on man down, they are not the 4th or 5th D player on the depth chart. They are LSM.
1-3 Close D , 4-5 LSM , Every Coach has it that way on starting lineup for Poles
hahahaha.... That's like saying the 4th and 5th attackmen are midfielders because they have short sticks... You must be a Rec dad/coach.
I can assure you that the elite HOCO teams recruit specific players for the LSM role and those players are listed as LSM's. My son plays on an elite team and their D1 would not be able to play LSM at the same level as their student LSM. Likewise, the LSM, while solid at close D, is not on the same level as the starters in that role.
You might want to actually do some coaching before typing what you just did. Your analogy is nonsense ??? Once again, on starting line up , first three close D are 1-3 due to being on field at start and listed as D, 4 and 5 are LSM due to not being out there until ball goes into Defensive zone. Those are the guys that play. Out on field . Is there a dept chart behind the close D and LSM,,,yeaaa... All this has nothing to do with who is best or athletic. Some thick people here who have never done a lineup let alone coached at any level.
At higher levels a true starting lineup has 14 players and you'll see schools like McD post their 14 starters on game days: 1 goalie, 1 fogo, 1 lsm, 2 ssdm, 3 offensive middies, 3 attack, 3 close defense. At lower levels and younger ages you obviously don't have the specialization and one player will fill 2 (or even 3) of those roles.
Correct, Well stated, Hard to get that thru to many here. Even tho I usually put 2 LSM's in my starting lineups. Unfortunately I forgot who I was dealing with here. Many dads who main contribution to lacrosse is " wheels, wheels " ... And yes, lower level it is not as important or even needed most times, but the young boys like to see the lineup too.
What kind of of season stuff are teams doing?
It's still summer. Go to the pool. Don't worry about the season and don't pick up a stick until Coach tells you. This is 2029.
That is the talk of a player whose destiny is to play College Club ball or at best lower level D2/3.
What kind of of season stuff are teams doing?
It's still summer. Go to the pool. Don't worry about the season and don't pick up a stick until Coach tells you. This is 2029.
That is the talk of a player whose destiny is to play College Club ball or at best lower level D2/3.
The way you’re going, your kid is going to be trying to figure out junior year how to tell you he doesn’t want to play anymore. Get a grip.
What kind of of season stuff are teams doing?
It's still summer. Go to the pool. Don't worry about the season and don't pick up a stick until Coach tells you. This is 2029.
That is the talk of a player whose destiny is to play College Club ball or at best lower level D2/3.
The dichotomy here is outstanding. D1 or die dad vs. let them be kids dad. lol
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Funny how Preds Dad left out the part about losing several of their best players to age verification, “talk of the town”.
I can assure you that the elite HOCO teams recruit specific players for the LSM role and those players are listed as LSM's. My son plays on an elite team and their D1 would not be able to play LSM at the same level as their student LSM. Likewise, the LSM, while solid at close D, is not on the same level as the starters in that role.
I actually have no problem with this statement except for the word "recruit." These kids were in 6th grade just 7 weeks ago. A third haven't hit puberty. Another third are just hitting it. Of the third who hit puberty early, many of them are close to being done growing (the 6'1" poles and 5'10" goalies). What any player, especially at LSM, looks like at age 12 is no promise of future return. As a coach, a player, and a parent, I have been through that process.
Back to the point..... How many 12 year olds in the area, will these coaches chase down prior to tryouts (aka "recruit")? At goalie, Fogo, lefty attack yes, a few of them get lots of calls. SSDM? No. LSM? No way. My son plays Mid at a high level and he didn't get calls from coaches until tryouts had already started, and there were no promises, just "if he plays at tryouts the way I've seen him play, it should be easy". That's not "recruiting." That's just a sales call. Thankful for their time and interest, absolutely, but I would not call it recruiting.
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
2 things, “Fly in for games” made me laugh.
You have to work on the proper use of there vs their.
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Funny how Preds Dad left out the part about losing several of their best players to age verification, “talk of the town”.
Sorry your son didnt get on to the Preds team like he wanted. I guess a few of his buddies did, No need to get upset. Just have him get better. Reason why there are two teams and the " Talk of Baltimore"
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Funny how Preds Dad left out the part about losing several of their best players to age verification, “talk of the town”.
Sorry your son didnt get on to the Preds team like he wanted. I guess a few of his buddies did, No need to get upset. Just have him get better. Reason why there are two teams and the " Talk of Baltimore"
If Preds move to Elite they will one game and that is assuming 91 stays in Elite, but hey at least they will still be the talk of the town.
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Funny how Preds Dad left out the part about losing several of their best players to age verification, “talk of the town”.
Sorry your son didnt get on to the Preds team like he wanted. I guess a few of his buddies did, No need to get upset. Just have him get better. Reason why there are two teams and the " Talk of Baltimore"
If Preds move to Elite they will one game and that is assuming 91 stays in Elite, but hey at least they will still be the talk of the town.
I don't even know that the top Preds team beats 91... It's largely the same team that barely won AAA last year and subsequently lost to Kelly Post, True Baltimore and Team Money in a summer tournament.
This is a completely different situation than the year before where FCA was blowing their AAA teams out and then added a bunch of new kids before moving into Elite.
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Dust hasn’t settled, still heavy recruiting going on for the top 29’s playing up to come back down. They will be back down here in 2 years or maybe next year for the ones who fall off.
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Funny how Preds Dad left out the part about losing several of their best players to age verification, “talk of the town”.
Sorry your son didnt get on to the Preds team like he wanted. I guess a few of his buddies did, No need to get upset. Just have him get better. Reason why there are two teams and the " Talk of Baltimore"
If Preds move to Elite they will one game and that is assuming 91 stays in Elite, but hey at least they will still be the talk of the town.
Must hurt not being on the team that is " Talk of Baltimore " ... Keep it Real
Tryouts have settled now...........any pulse / info on:
1. Hawks Goalie? With there starting goalie moving, who did they pick up? I've heard the old goalie is going to still fly in for tournaments potentially.
2. FCA Attack? Did they pick up anyone to replace there big lefty who they lost to age verification? What about there other goalie?
3. Crabs? Heard they lost there best midfielder due to moving as well. Pick up anyone new?
4. Team 91?? Did they have enough for a team? Are they going to drop out of the elite division finally or is VLC going to save them again due to their team collapsing?
5. Preds - Definitely picked up some pieces. Two teams now. On the up swing.
What teams improved overall?
Dust hasn’t settled, still heavy recruiting going on for the top 29’s playing up to come back down. They will be back down here in 2 years or maybe next year for the ones who fall off.
as somebody mentioned kinda....trying to convince parents to break contracts they just signed, and come to a new team based on a pile of promises, is not recruiting.....poaching maybe.
I wouldn’t call it breaking contracts. Depending on who does it, like a coach, is shady. If a coach is poaching for players after the fact then you didn’t do a good job as a coach. Good coaches can envision what they see coming down the pike.
I wouldn’t call it breaking contracts. Depending on who does it, like a coach, is shady. If a coach is poaching for players after the fact then you didn’t do a good job as a coach. Good coaches can envision what they see coming down the pike.
I agree, conversations should be happening before and during tryouts. Clubs try to pressure kids/families to stay or accept an offer right away. It’s nerve racking, but if you’re shopping around, you have to be patient and wait for all offers before making a decision. If your kid is good they will wait.
I wouldn’t call it breaking contracts. Depending on who does it, like a coach, is shady. If a coach is poaching for players after the fact then you didn’t do a good job as a coach. Good coaches can envision what they see coming down the pike.
I agree, conversations should be happening before and during tryouts. Clubs try to pressure kids/families to stay or accept an offer right away. It’s nerve racking, but if you’re shopping around, you have to be patient and wait for all offers before making a decision. If your kid is good they will wait.
It all comes down to your sons talent , Above average, he can shop and be patient, The club will take him at anytime.....Average,,,,well you are rolling the dice by not taking the offer. It is as simple as that.
Hahahaha. That's partially true but don't discount all the dads lining up to [Censored] up to the coaches before and after tryouts.
Talked to a VLC parent. All top kids left and went to True Ches. Rest went to True Nova. Don't sleep on True Nova improving and moving to AAA, heard they have solid coaching. VLC blew up cause directors pissed off all the parents. 28/29/30's are all a mess.
Did true chesapeake just cut kids and fill them in with kids from Virginia? Seems strange. Why wouldn’t they recruit from MD teams. True Nova? Is that a team or is that True Virginia? Hard to believe the bottom VLC players make that team any good. Have you seen how they did in HOCO last year.
Talked to a VLC parent. All top kids left and went to True Ches. Rest went to True Nova. Don't sleep on True Nova improving and moving to AAA, heard they have solid coaching. VLC blew up cause directors pissed off all the parents. 28/29/30's are all a mess.
Didn't True Chesapeake implode about 3 weeks ago at 2028, 2027, and 2026?
Good luck with that.
Just saw the most ridiculous thing. On the national instagram a 29 dad posted a picture of him and his son getting on a chartered/ private Olán to fly to Baltimore to do a mini camp. Really? And to post it? with.
Talked to a VLC parent. All top kids left and went to True Ches. Rest went to True Nova. Don't sleep on True Nova improving and moving to AAA, heard they have solid coaching. VLC blew up cause directors pissed off all the parents. 28/29/30's are all a mess.
Didn't True Chesapeake implode about 3 weeks ago at 2028, 2027, and 2026?
Good luck with that.
True is a combo trainwreck with a heaping of a Dumpster Fire. No matter what the directors come on here and say, Hi There True ! , They have imploded already.
They are what is wrong with youth sports, spinning false hopes on young people while profiting off their false dreams.
Talked to a VLC parent. All top kids left and went to True Ches. Rest went to True Nova. Don't sleep on True Nova improving and moving to AAA, heard they have solid coaching. VLC blew up cause directors pissed off all the parents. 28/29/30's are all a mess.
Didn't True Chesapeake implode about 3 weeks ago at 2028, 2027, and 2026?
Good luck with that.
True is a combo trainwreck with a heaping of a Dumpster Fire. No matter what the directors come on here and say, Hi There True ! , They have imploded already.
They are what is wrong with youth sports, spinning false hopes on young people while profiting off their false dreams.
I can't speak to the older age groups but for the 2029's and 30's they are in great shape. It comes down to the coaches and the parents creating the right culture to learn and grow. They have had consistent coaching at the 2029's and the players have improved and developed every year. At the end of the day that's all you can really hope for is that your kid is improving and getting the right coaching for their age. Now, if those coaches were to move to a different club I'm sure players would follow but that's normal for any team.
Talked to a VLC parent. All top kids left and went to True Ches. Rest went to True Nova. Don't sleep on True Nova improving and moving to AAA, heard they have solid coaching. VLC blew up cause directors pissed off all the parents. 28/29/30's are all a mess.
So they’re taking their toys and going to JD’s sandbox in Glen Burnie. This will end well.
VLc has only 8 reclasses but I think they should do pretty well this year.
VLc has only 8 reclasses but I think they should do pretty well this year.
8? Good Lord
Did true chesapeake just cut kids and fill them in with kids from Virginia? Seems strange. Why wouldn’t they recruit from MD teams. True Nova? Is that a team or is that True Virginia? Hard to believe the bottom VLC players make that team any good. Have you seen how they did in HOCO last year.
Yes. True NOVA is being rebranded to cover an entire True VA state team (similar to what True does in NC). True VA is covering the entire state as it expands (whether that makes sense or not is another story).
True Virginia/NOVA won the AA championship this spring. Many of True NOVA's best players on the 2023 spring team were on True Baltimore's 2022 combo team that won A in 2022. True NOVA was moving up regardless of whether VLC kids came over or not. Though True NOVA lost 2 of their best players - military kids and their parents were transferred out of DC area and won't be on the team next year. It will be interesting how much back fill they got and how it improves or not. I know most of the back half of the True NOVA roster was moved down to a Green team.
Sounds like the Elite Division is set then..........early rankings based on new additions, etc. from what has been shared.
1. Hawks
2. Next Level
3. True Chesapeake
4. Madlax
5. FCA
6. Crabs
7. Predators
8. Team 91
Did true chesapeake just cut kids and fill them in with kids from Virginia? Seems strange. Why wouldn’t they recruit from MD teams. True Nova? Is that a team or is that True Virginia? Hard to believe the bottom VLC players make that team any good. Have you seen how they did in HOCO last year.
Yes. True NOVA is being rebranded to cover an entire True VA state team (similar to what True does in NC). True VA is covering the entire state as it expands (whether that makes sense or not is another story).
True Virginia/NOVA won the AA championship this spring. Many of True NOVA's best players on the 2023 spring team were on True Baltimore's 2022 combo team that won A in 2022. True NOVA was moving up regardless of whether VLC kids came over or not. Though True NOVA lost 2 of their best players - military kids and their parents were transferred out of DC area and won't be on the team next year. It will be interesting how much back fill they got and how it improves or not. I know most of the back half of the True NOVA roster was moved down to a Green team.
And the price only went up.
Backfill rumor is kids coming from VLC, TC and Hammers - suspect about equal talent as was moved down with a push to break up programs in the Loudon area as True VA starts its program there this winter.
VLc has only 8 reclasses but I think they should do pretty well this year.
You have no clue what you are talking about - there are/were zero reclasses on VLC, with the exception of the several boys who were playing up.
Sounds like the Elite Division is set then..........early rankings based on new additions, etc. from what has been shared.
1. Hawks
2. Next Level
3. True Chesapeake
4. Madlax
5. FCA
6. Crabs
7. Predators
8. Team 91
I think the 8 teams are probably finalized now for sure. I agree that True Chesapeake has moved up, might even challenge for #2. Curious to see if Madlax picked up any new players as they seemed to be trending down as the summer went on. Also curious to see if FCA (Attack / Goalie) and Crabs (Midfield / Goalie) lost more impactful players or gained players as well.
Backfill rumor is kids coming from VLC, TC and Hammers - suspect about equal talent as was moved down with a push to break up programs in the Loudon area as True VA starts its program there this winter.
That is the certainly the question and I wouldn't shock me that that was part of the thought process on the team.
The strength of the team was in the d-poles slowing teams down - they were pretty long and athletic. Clearing was an issue sometimes and it resulted in them playing a lot of defense. That will likely be an issue moving forward.
Only 1 attackman is coming back from last year's team. The other attackman that played lefty attack but wasn't a lefty just quick is gone is one of the kids moving away. After that all the rest of the attackman didn't get Black invites. It will be interesting to see who ends up there - rumors are that one of the TC kids will fill that position and he is coming down from the TC 28 team. TC doesn't have a 29 team (at least they didn't).
1st middies were big and athletic. The other kid moving away was a good second face-off guy (came over from the Cavs portion of VLC - the elite team). The issue for the middies after those 3 kids was depth.
The first 10 or so kids from True NOVA could likely play with just about anyone not in the top 25, but unfortunately, the rest of the team couldn't - more likely a low end A or B level HOCO team. The rest of the team was small. Most of those kids are now on the green team. I think only 9 kids remain from last years team. There was talk if the kids from VLC that went to Chesapeake had gone to True NOVA they would have likely played in the Elite division. Whether they had success or not would be another story.
Sounds like the Elite Division is set then..........early rankings based on new additions, etc. from what has been shared.
1. Hawks
2. Next Level
3. True Chesapeake
4. Madlax
5. FCA
6. Crabs
7. Predators
8. Team 91
I think the 8 teams are probably finalized now for sure. I agree that True Chesapeake has moved up, might even challenge for #2. Curious to see if Madlax picked up any new players as they seemed to be trending down as the summer went on. Also curious to see if FCA (Attack / Goalie) and Crabs (Midfield / Goalie) lost more impactful players or gained players as well.
FCA lost there Goalie
So you are saying that by combining the #39 and #40 teams that had a combined 5 - 9 record with one of the teams having half of its team from out of the area you somehow have a team that is better than 4 teams in the top 5?!? You are certainly setting your boys up for a let down.
Did true chesapeake just cut kids and fill them in with kids from Virginia? Seems strange. Why wouldn’t they recruit from MD teams. True Nova? Is that a team or is that True Virginia? Hard to believe the bottom VLC players make that team any good. Have you seen how they did in HOCO last year.
Yes. True NOVA is being rebranded to cover an entire True VA state team (similar to what True does in NC). True VA is covering the entire state as it expands (whether that makes sense or not is another story).
True Virginia/NOVA won the AA championship this spring. Many of True NOVA's best players on the 2023 spring team were on True Baltimore's 2022 combo team that won A in 2022. True NOVA was moving up regardless of whether VLC kids came over or not. Though True NOVA lost 2 of their best players - military kids and their parents were transferred out of DC area and won't be on the team next year. It will be interesting how much back fill they got and how it improves or not. I know most of the back half of the True NOVA roster was moved down to a Green team.
Kind of reminds me of when the True NOVA 2028s played illegally all season with True Baltimore in 2021 and got sent home (6 kids) on a roster check in the semi finals lol. Officials missed the roster check all spring on the 2027 True goalie playing for the 2028 team on the same days. Definitely an organization where I want to spend my money. Kids' best interests are obvs a priority.
Sounds like the Elite Division is set then..........early rankings based on new additions, etc. from what has been shared.
1. Hawks
2. Next Level
3. True Chesapeake
4. Madlax
5. FCA
6. Crabs
7. Predators
8. Team 91
I think the 8 teams are probably finalized now for sure. I agree that True Chesapeake has moved up, might even challenge for #2. Curious to see if Madlax picked up any new players as they seemed to be trending down as the summer went on. Also curious to see if FCA (Attack / Goalie) and Crabs (Midfield / Goalie) lost more impactful players or gained players as well.
FCA lost there Goalie
FCA's #1 goalie on last year's top 5-nationally ranked 2028 team is a 2029 - and is coming back to his true age group. Great kid. FCA improved at the goalie position for sure.
So you are saying that by combining the #39 and #40 teams that had a combined 5 - 9 record with one of the teams having half of its team from out of the area you somehow have a team that is better than 4 teams in the top 5?!? You are certainly setting your boys up for a let down.
Yes, Subtraction by Addition .
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
Sounds like the Elite Division is set then..........early rankings based on new additions, etc. from what has been shared.
1. Hawks
2. Next Level
3. True Chesapeake
4. Madlax
5. FCA
6. Crabs
7. Predators
8. Team 91
I think the 8 teams are probably finalized now for sure. I agree that True Chesapeake has moved up, might even challenge for #2. Curious to see if Madlax picked up any new players as they seemed to be trending down as the summer went on. Also curious to see if FCA (Attack / Goalie) and Crabs (Midfield / Goalie) lost more impactful players or gained players as well.
FCA lost there Goalie
FCA's #1 goalie on last year's top 5-nationally ranked 2028 team is a 2029 - and is coming back to his true age group. Great kid. FCA improved at the goalie position for sure.
We miss the Madlax parents boasting about how great they are… where’d the dude with the Lulu shorts? Come on, that was great chum in the water
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
Sounds like the Elite Division is set then..........early rankings based on new additions, etc. from what has been shared.
1. Hawks
2. Next Level
3. True Chesapeake
4. Madlax
5. FCA
6. Crabs
7. Predators
8. Team 91
Let’s see who the Real Elite team is, battle it out in the World Series!
Will WSYL adopt the NLF / US Lacrosse age guidelines? Many summer birthday 29s are going to miss out.
There are no more holdbacks in the 29 division and below. So what excuses will Long Island parents use now when their kids lose to better teams? The best MD clubs play in HoCo, which conflicts with YLWS money grab qualifiers. If they revived the old WSYL top MD clubs would enter.
There are no more holdbacks in the 29 division and below. So what excuses will Long Island parents use now when their kids lose to better teams? The best MD clubs play in HoCo, which conflicts with YLWS money grab qualifiers. If they revived the old WSYL top MD clubs would enter.
HoCo has adjusted schedules for True to play in the YLWS so if the big boys make the request they will definitely work with them. I think the biggest impediment is just cost - YLWS is another $1k+ per family. MD teams can already play really great schedules with only one tournament requiring hotel stays.
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Fixed this for you:
born AFTER September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True.
There are no more holdbacks in the 29 division and below. So what excuses will Long Island parents use now when their kids lose to better teams? The best MD clubs play in HoCo, which conflicts with YLWS money grab qualifiers. If they revived the old WSYL top MD clubs would enter.
HoCo has adjusted schedules for True to play in the YLWS so if the big boys make the request they will definitely work with them. I think the biggest impediment is just cost - YLWS is another $1k+ per family. MD teams can already play really great schedules with only one tournament requiring hotel stays.
I totally get that. Would love to see the World Series back on the East Coast in Maryland, Delaware or Long Island. No flights needed then for the top teams and would make for a great tournament.
True C 29's added 3 or 4 National team kids from VLC, that lefty #4 being one of them. Their Attack is going to be sick.
Will WSYL adopt the NLF / US Lacrosse age guidelines? Many summer birthday 29s are going to miss out.
Hope not. Where I’m from summer birthdays are in the grade above. Sep 1 is the date we use for school.
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Sorry, but the WSLC isn't some amazing tournament: It is a bunch of rich kids whose parents pay to play. Glad the kids get to dress up and trade pins. But other than that, it's no better than NLF or NAL.
True C 29's added 3 or 4 National team kids from VLC, that lefty #4 being one of them. Their Attack is going to be sick.
Oh please, those kids didn’t see the field in the couple games that mattered. How many different teams does this make? A lot of wasted drive time in the future. Fly ins have already been contacted and are on the roster.
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Sorry, but the WSLC isn't some amazing tournament: It is a bunch of rich kids whose parents pay to play. Glad the kids get to dress up and trade pins. But other than that, it's no better than NLF or NAL.
My older son has played in them all - WSLC is by far his favorite. Sample size of 1 though.
Can someone please translate for the rest of us what this means? Is True already planning on flying in players for HoCo next year?
True C 29's added 3 or 4 National team kids from VLC, that lefty #4 being one of them. Their Attack is going to be sick.
Oh please, those kids didn’t see the field in the couple games that mattered. How many different teams does this make? A lot of wasted drive time in the future. Fly ins have already been contacted and are on the roster.
You have bad information. The proof will be in the playing. This is about kids just starting or about to start puberty, not the pro leagues.
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Sorry, but the WSLC isn't some amazing tournament: It is a bunch of rich kids whose parents pay to play. Glad the kids get to dress up and trade pins. But other than that, it's no better than NLF or NAL.
My older son has played in them all - WSLC is by far his favorite. Sample size of 1 though.
Same for my older son as well. Sample size of two now.
Can someone please translate for the rest of us what this means? Is True already planning on flying in players for HoCo next year?
If they plan to try and compete in any elite division, yes.
They did it last year with the Last year with their True Chesapeake 27s. They still did not fare well in HoCo elite. Their starting roster varied greatly on a week by week basis depending on who was there. But you could tell which weeks they were shooting to try and get a win.
Can someone please translate for the rest of us what this means? Is True already planning on flying in players for HoCo next year?
Yes.
Can someone please translate for the rest of us what this means? Is True already planning on flying in players for HoCo next year?
If they plan to try and compete in any elite division, yes.
They did it last year with the Last year with their True Chesapeake 27s. They still did not fare well in HoCo elite. Their starting roster varied greatly on a week by week basis depending on who was there. But you could tell which weeks they were shooting to try and get a win.
True has a private jet to fly 2029 players in and out of HoCo because people care that much about 7th grade lacrosse
Can someone please translate for the rest of us what this means? Is True already planning on flying in players for HoCo next year?
If they plan to try and compete in any elite division, yes.
They did it last year with the Last year with their True Chesapeake 27s. They still did not fare well in HoCo elite. Their starting roster varied greatly on a week by week basis depending on who was there. But you could tell which weeks they were shooting to try and get a win.
This is the 2029 forum. 29's didn't do it last year and no intention on doing it this year.
Half of the new team is fly ins apparently. Well, drive ins from another state
Half of the new team is fly ins apparently. Well, drive ins from another state
Shocking.......Virgina, D.C., West Virginia are just sooooo far. Hard to get a visa and through customs too.
HOCO runs a great league and, if kids in the DC metro area want/need to play at a high level, it is a great place to do it.
Half of the new team is fly ins apparently. Well, drive ins from another state
Who Madlax, NL, VLC, True Virgina????
Half of the new team is fly ins apparently. Well, drive ins from another state
Shocking.......Virgina, D.C., West Virginia are just sooooo far. Hard to get a visa and through customs too.
HOCO runs a great league and, if kids in the DC metro area want/need to play at a high level, it is a great place to do it.
You forgot about Pennsylvania....
The Elite 2028 True team had kids from Illinois and some big kid from Las Vegas....
Half of the new team is fly ins apparently. Well, drive ins from another state
Shocking.......Virgina, D.C., West Virginia are just sooooo far. Hard to get a visa and through customs too.
HOCO runs a great league and, if kids in the DC metro area want/need to play at a high level, it is a great place to do it.
You forgot about Pennsylvania....
The Elite 2028 True team had kids from Illinois and some big kid from Las Vegas....
This is the 2029 forum.
Half of the new team is fly ins apparently. Well, drive ins from another state
Shocking.......Virgina, D.C., West Virginia are just sooooo far. Hard to get a visa and through customs too.
HOCO runs a great league and, if kids in the DC metro area want/need to play at a high level, it is a great place to do it.
Are you suggesting True will now be accepting international fly-ins for HOcO!?!!?
Can someone please translate for the rest of us what this means? Is True already planning on flying in players for HoCo next year?
If they plan to try and compete in any elite division, yes.
They did it last year with the Last year with their True Chesapeake 27s. They still did not fare well in HoCo elite. Their starting roster varied greatly on a week by week basis depending on who was there. But you could tell which weeks they were shooting to try and get a win.
This is the 2029 forum. 29's didn't do it last year and no intention on doing it this year.
Maybe. But be aware. This is the same program.
And there is a huge difference between 6th grade and 8th grade elite.
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
100% lie!
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
100% lie!
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
100% lie!
Easy there Coach. Are you saying there were no out of town players ? LOL
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
100% lie!
Easy there Coach. Are you saying there were no out of town players ? LOL
Define out of HOCO town Spanky. Annapolis? Frederick? Los Angeles? Leesburg? Waldorf? Wilmington? Exactly how far from the field is out of bounds.
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
100% lie!
Easy there Coach. Are you saying there were no out of town players ? LOL
Define out of HOCO town Spanky. Annapolis? Frederick? Los Angeles? Leesburg? Waldorf? Wilmington? Exactly how far from the field is out of bounds.
100% fly in players
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
100% lie!
Easy there Coach. Are you saying there were no out of town players ? LOL
Define out of HOCO town Spanky. Annapolis? Frederick? Los Angeles? Leesburg? Waldorf? Wilmington? Exactly how far from the field is out of bounds.
Air dropping into this conversation....for middle school ball, with zero college coaches watching, a team should be a team. Fly-ins/drop-ins for tournaments happen at literally every level of the game, but for a defined season/league, the roster should practice together. Most coaches would agree that's a key definition of a "middle school team." Practicing together at least weekly. That is a realistic standard for a "season."
Fly-in parents on BOTC will tell you that, yes absolutely they do a 4 hour round trip to practice 3x per week in the spring, plus a 5 hour round trip on game day for 7-8 weeks. That's either not true, or really sad. Kid will spend 120+ hours in the car in 8 weeks for 8 hours of max game time.
While we waste time debating flying in players for HOCO, it is cool to see that 4 teams were represented in US Club Lax "Golden 16 - Final Rankings".
#3. Hawks 2029
#4. Madlax 2029
#8. Next Level 2029
#10. FCA 2029
I can't imagine a more competitive spring league with so much talent coming from one area when you add in True Chesapeake to that list as well.
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
Bring him back if he improves enough
While we waste time debating flying in players for HOCO, it is cool to see that 4 teams were represented in US Club Lax "Golden 16 - Final Rankings".
#3. Hawks 2029
#4. Madlax 2029
#8. Next Level 2029
#10. FCA 2029
I can't imagine a more competitive spring league with so much talent coming from one area when you add in True Chesapeake to that list as well.
Completely agree. Pretty incredible!
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
Bring him back if he improves enough
Hope your son doesn’t get stuck behind the fly-ins like half the team did last year.
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
Bring him back if he improves enough
Hope your son doesn’t get stuck behind the fly-ins like half the team did last year.
This is the 2029 forum. You're off a year.
While we waste time debating flying in players for HOCO, it is cool to see that 4 teams were represented in US Club Lax "Golden 16 - Final Rankings".
#3. Hawks 2029
#4. Madlax 2029
#8. Next Level 2029
#10. FCA 2029
I can't imagine a more competitive spring league with so much talent coming from one area when you add in True Chesapeake to that list as well.
Completely agree. Pretty incredible!
Agree....kudos to the incredible kids on all these teams. That's pretty amazing.
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
Bring him back if he improves enough
Hope your son doesn’t get stuck behind the fly-ins like half the team did last year.
Appreciate your concern but no need to worry. My son was one of the fly ins and got plenty of action. He’s old for his grade and in addition was held back. That’s not a double holdback though so it’s cool. But seriously, we’d love to have your son back if only to provide sideline support. True on 2!
While we waste time debating flying in players for HOCO, it is cool to see that 4 teams were represented in US Club Lax "Golden 16 - Final Rankings".
#3. Hawks 2029
#4. Madlax 2029
#8. Next Level 2029
#10. FCA 2029
I can't imagine a more competitive spring league with so much talent coming from one area when you add in True Chesapeake to that list as well.
Completely agree. Pretty incredible!
Holdback central. When the 13 year olds start playing 2028 next year, this list will change dramatically.
I pulled my 29 off of True because of all the HOCO Fly-ins last spring.
Bring him back if he improves enough
Hope your son doesn’t get stuck behind the fly-ins like half the team did last year.
Appreciate your concern but no need to worry. My son was one of the fly ins and got plenty of action. He’s old for his grade and in addition was held back. That’s not a double holdback though so it’s cool. But seriously, we’d love to have your son back if only to provide sideline support. True on 2!
Now that is the way to compete. Competing is not for the weak. Strike First , Strike hard, No Mercy .
While we waste time debating flying in players for HOCO, it is cool to see that 4 teams were represented in US Club Lax "Golden 16 - Final Rankings".
#3. Hawks 2029
#4. Madlax 2029
#8. Next Level 2029
#10. FCA 2029
I can't imagine a more competitive spring league with so much talent coming from one area when you add in True Chesapeake to that list as well.
Completely agree. Pretty incredible!
Holdback central. When the 13 year olds start playing 2028 next year, this list will change dramatically.
HAHA... These teams were virtually untouched by age verification and in many cases, actually improved with off season additions. I guess you're gonna have to come up with a new excuse to explain to your son on why his Team 91 team gets slaughtered every week. "Those teams are cheating with older kids" aint gonna cut it this year. Maybe time to have little Johnny accept the fact that he's not that good and should give volleyball a try.
If kids are from the DMV area and switch teams I do not consider that a "Fly in". Everyone, especially at the elite level plays in Hoco, and most teams travel relatively the same distance for Tournaments (NC up to LI). It really comes down to if the kids all practice together. As long as they practice together and play together it shouldn't matter where a kid lives. I agree an actual fly in kid for a HoCo game is notIntelligent. I know families that live in MD and play for VA teams, and I know VA families that play for MD teams. So I am not sure what the big deal is. Do what's best for your kid, and what makes them happy, no one on BOTC has any idea what a certain families situation is. I'm just glad they have stopped the reclass. Kids should play with kids their own age and maturity level, especially at the MS transition years.
If kids are from the DMV area and switch teams I do not consider that a "Fly in". Everyone, especially at the elite level plays in Hoco, and most teams travel relatively the same distance for Tournaments (NC up to LI). It really comes down to if the kids all practice together. As long as they practice together and play together it shouldn't matter where a kid lives. I agree an actual fly in kid for a HoCo game is notIntelligent. I know families that live in MD and play for VA teams, and I know VA families that play for MD teams. So I am not sure what the big deal is. Do what's best for your kid, and what makes them happy, no one on BOTC has any idea what a certain families situation is. I'm just glad they have stopped the reclass. Kids should play with kids their own age and maturity level, especially at the MS transition years.
Agreed.
How did Team 91 MD 2029 finish out after tryouts? I know they had a lot of people leaving. Did they rebuilt?
If kids are from the DMV area and switch teams I do not consider that a "Fly in". Everyone, especially at the elite level plays in Hoco, and most teams travel relatively the same distance for Tournaments (NC up to LI). It really comes down to if the kids all practice together. As long as they practice together and play together it shouldn't matter where a kid lives. I agree an actual fly in kid for a HoCo game is notIntelligent. I know families that live in MD and play for VA teams, and I know VA families that play for MD teams. So I am not sure what the big deal is. Do what's best for your kid, and what makes them happy, no one on BOTC has any idea what a certain families situation is. I'm just glad they have stopped the reclass. Kids should play with kids their own age and maturity level, especially at the MS transition years.
You’re not talking about flyins. Most teams around here have kids from all around the DMV. Flyins are thenones that True is flying in from Nevada, Illinois, and North Carolina.
If kids are from the DMV area and switch teams I do not consider that a "Fly in". Everyone, especially at the elite level plays in Hoco, and most teams travel relatively the same distance for Tournaments (NC up to LI). It really comes down to if the kids all practice together. As long as they practice together and play together it shouldn't matter where a kid lives. I agree an actual fly in kid for a HoCo game is notIntelligent. I know families that live in MD and play for VA teams, and I know VA families that play for MD teams. So I am not sure what the big deal is. Do what's best for your kid, and what makes them happy, no one on BOTC has any idea what a certain families situation is. I'm just glad they have stopped the reclass. Kids should play with kids their own age and maturity level, especially at the MS transition years.
You’re not talking about flyins. Most teams around here have kids from all around the DMV. Flyins are thenones that True is flying in from Nevada, Illinois, and North Carolina.
Wrong forum. This is 2029.
If kids are from the DMV area and switch teams I do not consider that a "Fly in". Everyone, especially at the elite level plays in Hoco, and most teams travel relatively the same distance for Tournaments (NC up to LI). It really comes down to if the kids all practice together. As long as they practice together and play together it shouldn't matter where a kid lives. I agree an actual fly in kid for a HoCo game is notIntelligent. I know families that live in MD and play for VA teams, and I know VA families that play for MD teams. So I am not sure what the big deal is. Do what's best for your kid, and what makes them happy, no one on BOTC has any idea what a certain families situation is. I'm just glad they have stopped the reclass. Kids should play with kids their own age and maturity level, especially at the MS transition years.
You’re not talking about flyins. Most teams around here have kids from all around the DMV. Flyins are thenones that True is flying in from Nevada, Illinois, and North Carolina.
Wrong forum. This is 2029.
Applies to all forums. A kid living in Leesburg playing for Next Level is not a flyin. You wasted 5 minutes of your life typing something that made absolutely zero sense
What’s up with Hawks parents fighting on the sidelines. Funny how parents on the same team can’t get along….smh
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
What’s up with Hawks parents fighting on the sidelines. Funny how parents on the same team can’t get along….smh
When?
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
What’s up with Hawks parents fighting on the sidelines. Funny how parents on the same team can’t get along….smh
Ha, troll. You will have to do better then that.
What’s up with Hawks parents fighting on the sidelines. Funny how parents on the same team can’t get along….smh
Just having some fun , lighten up.
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
What’s up with Hawks parents fighting on the sidelines. Funny how parents on the same team can’t get along….smh
Hawks 2030 team with issues not 2029
What’s up with Hawks parents fighting on the sidelines. Funny how parents on the same team can’t get along….smh
Hawks 2030 team with issues not 2029
Just wait! Coach Rage is on the staff
If kids are from the DMV area and switch teams I do not consider that a "Fly in". Everyone, especially at the elite level plays in Hoco, and most teams travel relatively the same distance for Tournaments (NC up to LI). It really comes down to if the kids all practice together. As long as they practice together and play together it shouldn't matter where a kid lives. I agree an actual fly in kid for a HoCo game is notIntelligent. I know families that live in MD and play for VA teams, and I know VA families that play for MD teams. So I am not sure what the big deal is. Do what's best for your kid, and what makes them happy, no one on BOTC has any idea what a certain families situation is. I'm just glad they have stopped the reclass. Kids should play with kids their own age and maturity level, especially at the MS transition years.
You’re not talking about flyins. Most teams around here have kids from all around the DMV. Flyins are thenones that True is flying in from Nevada, Illinois, and North Carolina.
Wrong forum. This is 2029.
Applies to all forums. A kid living in Leesburg playing for Next Level is not a flyin. You wasted 5 minutes of your life typing something that made absolutely zero sense
That's a red herring. I don't think anybody would argue that driving 1 hour each way to practice is (sadly) not abnormal and is do-able (somehow) for most lax families.
The discussion changes when it's 1.5 or 2 or 2.5 hours each way to practice, 3x per week during the season plus a 4th 2 hour drive (4 hour round trip) to the Hoco league game. At that point, at least 1 of these is happening: the parents are (over) dedicated to the detriment of siblings etc, the kid is missing practices, OR the kid is in an academic environment way below his capability because you're not learning all that much by studying for tests in the car @ 70mph. The most likely is the second........missing practices. And that's what the debate is about, how is it a team if random kids show up once per week plus the game, missing all the other work the team has done?
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
What does it matter? Several elite 2029 teams, if not all were impacted by the age rule changes. Some will be better and some will be worse, we just have to wait until they start playing again to know.
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
Impact players that will jeopardize the #4 ranking
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
I think Lynyrd Skynyrd should answer this
So don't ask me no questions
And I won't tell you no lies
From the Reformed Sports Project-
https://reformedsportsproject.com/blog/f/daddy-ball“Daddy Ball typically produces two types of results for the team, which are very different, but neither positive.”
It isn’t plural. One kid left for NL after spring. If he made the 28’s. Good on him.
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
The reality is that the boys talk, both on the field and on social media. I have a 2028 and a 2029 son and these boys know who the others are. I hear my 2028 son and his friends laugh about seeing on social media (last few months) the 2028s turning 14 and the 2029s turning 13. It's really weird that holdback-enablers will tell direct untruths about any of this. There's no club team from MD in the national top 50 that doesn't have holdbacks. There's lax holdbacks all the way down to AA ball, sadly. And, playing on the "national teams", whatever you think of that, guess what, the best teams from CT, LI, CA, FL, etc all have beaucoups holdbacks....and double holdbacks, which the Circuit had to make a special rule to allow 3 double holdbacks per team.
What are the odds that ML 2029, as skilled as they are, just "had none?" LOL.
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
The reality is that the boys talk, both on the field and on social media. I have a 2028 and a 2029 son and these boys know who the others are. I hear my 2028 son and his friends laugh about seeing on social media (last few months) the 2028s turning 14 and the 2029s turning 13. It's really weird that holdback-enablers will tell direct untruths about any of this. There's no club team from MD in the national top 50 that doesn't have holdbacks. There's lax holdbacks all the way down to AA ball, sadly. And, playing on the "national teams", whatever you think of that, guess what, the best teams from CT, LI, CA, FL, etc all have beaucoups holdbacks....and double holdbacks, which the Circuit had to make a special rule to allow 3 double holdbacks per team.
What are the odds that ML 2029, as skilled as they are, just "had none?" LOL.
One of the saddest parts of lacrosse is the multitude of holdbacks at youth level. No matter what anyone thinks, it just isnt good for the sport or for sure in youth athletics. So wrong, but will not stop as the private schools in MD are the drivers of elite lacrosse, and they have them in droves.
It will be interesting to see what tournaments top teams go to now that USA lacrosse and NLF have set age verification. HOCO is adjusting to the new requirement and hopefully other tournaments will follow.
The reality is that many teams and programs are selling dreams of success and $$$ for college. Unfortunately some people don't stop to really EDUCATE and LEARN about the process and it potential outcomes.
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
The reality is that the boys talk, both on the field and on social media. I have a 2028 and a 2029 son and these boys know who the others are. I hear my 2028 son and his friends laugh about seeing on social media (last few months) the 2028s turning 14 and the 2029s turning 13. It's really weird that holdback-enablers will tell direct untruths about any of this. There's no club team from MD in the national top 50 that doesn't have holdbacks. There's lax holdbacks all the way down to AA ball, sadly. And, playing on the "national teams", whatever you think of that, guess what, the best teams from CT, LI, CA, FL, etc all have beaucoups holdbacks....and double holdbacks, which the Circuit had to make a special rule to allow 3 double holdbacks per team.
What are the odds that ML 2029, as skilled as they are, just "had none?" LOL.
One of the saddest parts of lacrosse is the multitude of holdbacks at youth level. No matter what anyone thinks, it just isnt good for the sport or for sure in youth athletics. So wrong, but will not stop as the private schools in MD are the drivers of elite lacrosse, and they have them in droves.
You're right about the past and present, but I predict the # of holdbacks will drop by at least 1/3 now that there's no lax benefit to reclassing prior to 8th grade. Middle school-run lacrosse is pretty much a joke (not worth holding back for) and if club has gone age-based, as it appears it has, there's just no excuse to reclass early.
You can see several of the (parent-run) former 2029 lax kids IG accounts that suddenly say, "BL 2029, Crabs 2028." You know those parents aren't loving it right now. After eating an extra year of tuition for no apparent benefit.
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
The reality is that the boys talk, both on the field and on social media. I have a 2028 and a 2029 son and these boys know who the others are. I hear my 2028 son and his friends laugh about seeing on social media (last few months) the 2028s turning 14 and the 2029s turning 13. It's really weird that holdback-enablers will tell direct untruths about any of this. There's no club team from MD in the national top 50 that doesn't have holdbacks. There's lax holdbacks all the way down to AA ball, sadly. And, playing on the "national teams", whatever you think of that, guess what, the best teams from CT, LI, CA, FL, etc all have beaucoups holdbacks....and double holdbacks, which the Circuit had to make a special rule to allow 3 double holdbacks per team.
What are the odds that ML 2029, as skilled as they are, just "had none?" LOL.
One of the saddest parts of lacrosse is the multitude of holdbacks at youth level. No matter what anyone thinks, it just isnt good for the sport or for sure in youth athletics. So wrong, but will not stop as the private schools in MD are the drivers of elite lacrosse, and they have them in droves.
You're right about the past and present, but I predict the # of holdbacks will drop by at least 1/3 now that there's no lax benefit to reclassing prior to 8th grade. Middle school-run lacrosse is pretty much a joke (not worth holding back for) and if club has gone age-based, as it appears it has, there's just no excuse to reclass early.
You can see several of the (parent-run) former 2029 lax kids IG accounts that suddenly say, "BL 2029, Crabs 2028." You know those parents aren't loving it right now. After eating an extra year of tuition for no apparent benefit.
Those kids will all be 29’s again next year but maybe without the size advantage given many seventh graders will hit puberty this year. In the meantime they go back to on age this year and are just average against their on age peers but congrats to all of those parents on footing the bill for an extra year of private school. Well done.
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
The reality is that the boys talk, both on the field and on social media. I have a 2028 and a 2029 son and these boys know who the others are. I hear my 2028 son and his friends laugh about seeing on social media (last few months) the 2028s turning 14 and the 2029s turning 13. It's really weird that holdback-enablers will tell direct untruths about any of this. There's no club team from MD in the national top 50 that doesn't have holdbacks. There's lax holdbacks all the way down to AA ball, sadly. And, playing on the "national teams", whatever you think of that, guess what, the best teams from CT, LI, CA, FL, etc all have beaucoups holdbacks....and double holdbacks, which the Circuit had to make a special rule to allow 3 double holdbacks per team.
What are the odds that ML 2029, as skilled as they are, just "had none?" LOL.
One of the saddest parts of lacrosse is the multitude of holdbacks at youth level. No matter what anyone thinks, it just isnt good for the sport or for sure in youth athletics. So wrong, but will not stop as the private schools in MD are the drivers of elite lacrosse, and they have them in droves.
You're right about the past and present, but I predict the # of holdbacks will drop by at least 1/3 now that there's no lax benefit to reclassing prior to 8th grade. Middle school-run lacrosse is pretty much a joke (not worth holding back for) and if club has gone age-based, as it appears it has, there's just no excuse to reclass early.
You can see several of the (parent-run) former 2029 lax kids IG accounts that suddenly say, "BL 2029, Crabs 2028." You know those parents aren't loving it right now. After eating an extra year of tuition for no apparent benefit.
Those kids will all be 29’s again next year but maybe without the size advantage given many seventh graders will hit puberty this year. In the meantime they go back to on age this year and are just average against their on age peers but congrats to all of those parents on footing the bill for an extra year of private school. Well done.
I think you mean in two years... Age verification ceases in high school
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Sorry, but the WSLC isn't some amazing tournament: It is a bunch of rich kids whose parents pay to play. Glad the kids get to dress up and trade pins. But other than that, it's no better than NLF or NAL.
Actually it is and for the main reason why you don't like it. Age
verification!!!
The tournament levels the playing field. Sad that Maryland
teams are too afraid to compete on a level playing field for
once. The kids aren't, the adults won't allow them
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
The reality is that the boys talk, both on the field and on social media. I have a 2028 and a 2029 son and these boys know who the others are. I hear my 2028 son and his friends laugh about seeing on social media (last few months) the 2028s turning 14 and the 2029s turning 13. It's really weird that holdback-enablers will tell direct untruths about any of this. There's no club team from MD in the national top 50 that doesn't have holdbacks. There's lax holdbacks all the way down to AA ball, sadly. And, playing on the "national teams", whatever you think of that, guess what, the best teams from CT, LI, CA, FL, etc all have beaucoups holdbacks....and double holdbacks, which the Circuit had to make a special rule to allow 3 double holdbacks per team.
What are the odds that ML 2029, as skilled as they are, just "had none?" LOL.
One of the saddest parts of lacrosse is the multitude of holdbacks at youth level. No matter what anyone thinks, it just isnt good for the sport or for sure in youth athletics. So wrong, but will not stop as the private schools in MD are the drivers of elite lacrosse, and they have them in droves.
You're right about the past and present, but I predict the # of holdbacks will drop by at least 1/3 now that there's no lax benefit to reclassing prior to 8th grade. Middle school-run lacrosse is pretty much a joke (not worth holding back for) and if club has gone age-based, as it appears it has, there's just no excuse to reclass early.
You can see several of the (parent-run) former 2029 lax kids IG accounts that suddenly say, "BL 2029, Crabs 2028." You know those parents aren't loving it right now. After eating an extra year of tuition for no apparent benefit.
Those kids will all be 29’s again next year but maybe without the size advantage given many seventh graders will hit puberty this year. In the meantime they go back to on age this year and are just average against their on age peers but congrats to all of those parents on footing the bill for an extra year of private school. Well done.
I think you mean in two years... Age verification ceases in high school
Not so sure about that, I think in 8th grade they will let those kids play. For same reason age verification wasn’t applied to 2028. There are 27 holdbacks on 28 rosters this year and I am betting that same logic will apply to 29’s next year
How many players from Madlax 2029s from last season are now having to play in 2028?
Zero
C'mon now. If you're gonna brag about being 'ranked' #4 you gotta at least own up to fact that some of those holdbacks are no longer eligible. Everyone knows some former Madlax 29s are now 28s. Why not just admit how many?
C’mon now. You asked a question and got the answer.
C'mon now. Lying is not the answer, Madlax mom. Why not own up to facts that some former Madlax '29s' are now, for some reason, playing for other clubs 2028s? Let's ask it another way and see if you can be more truthful: How many kids from Madlax 2029 aren't returning for 7th grade season?
The reality is that the boys talk, both on the field and on social media. I have a 2028 and a 2029 son and these boys know who the others are. I hear my 2028 son and his friends laugh about seeing on social media (last few months) the 2028s turning 14 and the 2029s turning 13. It's really weird that holdback-enablers will tell direct untruths about any of this. There's no club team from MD in the national top 50 that doesn't have holdbacks. There's lax holdbacks all the way down to AA ball, sadly. And, playing on the "national teams", whatever you think of that, guess what, the best teams from CT, LI, CA, FL, etc all have beaucoups holdbacks....and double holdbacks, which the Circuit had to make a special rule to allow 3 double holdbacks per team.
What are the odds that ML 2029, as skilled as they are, just "had none?" LOL.
One of the saddest parts of lacrosse is the multitude of holdbacks at youth level. No matter what anyone thinks, it just isnt good for the sport or for sure in youth athletics. So wrong, but will not stop as the private schools in MD are the drivers of elite lacrosse, and they have them in droves.
You're right about the past and present, but I predict the # of holdbacks will drop by at least 1/3 now that there's no lax benefit to reclassing prior to 8th grade. Middle school-run lacrosse is pretty much a joke (not worth holding back for) and if club has gone age-based, as it appears it has, there's just no excuse to reclass early.
You can see several of the (parent-run) former 2029 lax kids IG accounts that suddenly say, "BL 2029, Crabs 2028." You know those parents aren't loving it right now. After eating an extra year of tuition for no apparent benefit.
Those kids will all be 29’s again next year but maybe without the size advantage given many seventh graders will hit puberty this year. In the meantime they go back to on age this year and are just average against their on age peers but congrats to all of those parents on footing the bill for an extra year of private school. Well done.
I think you mean in two years... Age verification ceases in high school
Not so sure about that, I think in 8th grade they will let those kids play. For same reason age verification wasn’t applied to 2028. There are 27 holdbacks on 28 rosters this year and I am betting that same logic will apply to 29’s next year
The "No player born before June 1, 2010 can participate in 2029 contests" will hold true even next year.
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Sorry, but the WSLC isn't some amazing tournament: It is a bunch of rich kids whose parents pay to play. Glad the kids get to dress up and trade pins. But other than that, it's no better than NLF or NAL.
Actually it is and for the main reason why you don't like it. Age
verification!!!
The tournament levels the playing field. Sad that Maryland
teams are too afraid to compete on a level playing field for
once. The kids aren't, the adults won't allow them
How many non MD teams get caught cheating every year and allowed back? How many teams get caught and don’t get punished? How many teams use the 100 mile rule just for this tournament, and then the kid is never seen again until the parents post on IG their real team?
It is easy, and age has nothing to do with it. All you have to do is schedule it during the tournament season, not during our regular season. We could easily send some teams, but that tournament isn’t worth forfeiting or even rescheduling a hoco game. Your kids need a hat and shirt as well.
It will be interesting to see what tournaments top teams go to now that USA lacrosse and NLF have set age verification. HOCO is adjusting to the new requirement and hopefully other tournaments will follow.
All the local teams checked the kids ages, so the is not reason to doubt compliance. It turned out that all the obsession over holdbacks impacted only a handful of kids.
It will be interesting to see what tournaments top teams go to now that USA lacrosse and NLF have set age verification. HOCO is adjusting to the new requirement and hopefully other tournaments will follow.
All the local teams checked the kids ages, so the is not reason to doubt compliance. It turned out that all the obsession over holdbacks impacted only a handful of kids.
"A handful?" LOL.
I know a fair # of the 2029 holdback dads (I have a 2028 and a 2029) and here's the progression:
3rd-4th grade: my son is one of the best in the country!'
5th grade: cut, dropped to AA team
6th grade: held back into 2029, oh yeah baby, one of the best in the country again!
7th grade: reclassed back into 2028 and playing A or AA ball.
9th grade (2028 next year): probably quit lacrosse.
BOTC Dad's are going to have to come up with some new material now that age verification is in place. No more excuses as to why little Bobby is running third line mid on a single A team.
Some BOTC Dad's are doing an admirable job of finding a new excuse to detest... THE FLY IN PLAYER!!!!
Excellent work fellas but I think you can do better!
Dig deeper... maybe talk about how Mark Millon is a Q'Anon Shaman and has imbued his children with supernatural powers by offering one of IAmInsecure Cheney's fingers up in sacrifice. Or.... you could go with the story that Caleb Maddux is actually the Shamwow guy and is using his super towel profits to buy HGH for all of his players....
Bottom line... when I sit down with my morning coffee, I expect to open this page to vitriol and detest.
Don't let me down!
It will be interesting to see what tournaments top teams go to now that USA lacrosse and NLF have set age verification. HOCO is adjusting to the new requirement and hopefully other tournaments will follow.
All the local teams checked the kids ages, so the is not reason to doubt compliance. It turned out that all the obsession over holdbacks impacted only a handful of kids.
"A handful?" LOL.
I know a fair # of the 2029 holdback dads (I have a 2028 and a 2029) and here's the progression:
3rd-4th grade: my son is one of the best in the country!'
5th grade: cut, dropped to AA team
6th grade: held back into 2029, oh yeah baby, one of the best in the country again!
7th grade: reclassed back into 2028 and playing A or AA ball.
9th grade (2028 next year): probably quit lacrosse.
So true…..only exception is when daddy is the HC and kid never lost his spot until high school. See it happen first hand. Kid ended playing lower level D3 lax but let’s all remember when he was a superstar in 3rd grade.
It will be interesting to see what tournaments top teams go to now that USA lacrosse and NLF have set age verification. HOCO is adjusting to the new requirement and hopefully other tournaments will follow.
All the local teams checked the kids ages, so the is not reason to doubt compliance. It turned out that all the obsession over holdbacks impacted only a handful of kids.
"A handful?" LOL.
I know a fair # of the 2029 holdback dads (I have a 2028 and a 2029) and here's the progression:
3rd-4th grade: my son is one of the best in the country!'
5th grade: cut, dropped to AA team
6th grade: held back into 2029, oh yeah baby, one of the best in the country again!
7th grade: reclassed back into 2028 and playing A or AA ball.
9th grade (2028 next year): probably quit lacrosse.
So true…..only exception is when daddy is the HC and kid never lost his spot until high school. See it happen first hand. Kid ended playing lower level D3 lax but let’s all remember when he was a superstar in 3rd grade.
See: Cabell Maddux. In the meantime, the kids playing behind his kids are first team All Americans on other clubs headed to UVA, Georgetown, etc.
Makes you wonder, maybe all those Long Island Dad’s were right. Holdbacks do matter or else you wouldn’t do it I. The first place. Losing your unfair advantage. Now with a level playing field how about you show up to the World Series this year?!?!
Who is entering the World Series this year? Don’t give me the excuses. When you watch the kids there every year you can see it’s a great tournament and the kids love it! Come on Maryland, put an on age real travel team in the tournament. No “Team Maryland” nonsense, put your name on it. Crabs, Hawks etc!!!
True will have a team there. Not sure about the other programs.
LOL. True will be the best kids pulled from all of their teams . Easy to put their name on it when they own so many clubs and pool of players to choose from.
I think it's any kid born before September 1, 2010 and within 100 miles of the Moose Athletic Facility can tryout for the WS team with True. It's a pretty amazing experience for the kids. The WSLC puts on a great event. Kids get to attend a banquet all dressed up with their teams and exchange pins with other teams from around the country. It definitely adds more time, money, and effort in a busy lacrosse season. Worth considering. Only comes around once in a players lifetime.
Sorry, but the WSLC isn't some amazing tournament: It is a bunch of rich kids whose parents pay to play. Glad the kids get to dress up and trade pins. But other than that, it's no better than NLF or NAL.
My older son has played in them all - WSLC is by far his favorite. Sample size of 1 though.
Same for my older son as well. Sample size of two now.
I’m not catching up to see but sample size 3. My oldest son played in and had a great experience as well. Also just an interesting aside, True own the World Series.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
Come on FCA and True, handle these clowns at their B overpriced tournament in the middle of the hoco season.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
And Madlax has ZERO kids having to reclass to 2028. You’re down to third… anyone else?
I guess we will see all the Maryland teams in the World Series this year since no one has holdbacks and the elite teams rosters all qualify with the age requirement right?
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
Oh yeah. LI lax is not known for cheating, bonehead screaming parents with Qanon tattoos, or holdback players. None of those can be seen at a S2S, 91, LIE, or Lumberjacks game. This is hilarious. By all means tell us more.
I guess we will see all the Maryland teams in the World Series this year since no one has holdbacks and the elite teams rosters all qualify with the age requirement right?
You guys are dense! This is a special tournament for you guys, you can have it. Wear the shirts, carry the pins proudly. We will be playing in hoco.
I guess we will see all the Maryland teams in the World Series this year since no one has holdbacks and the elite teams rosters all qualify with the age requirement right?
Nope. HoCo League runs March through May. Absolutely zero reason to leave during Spring, best teams in the country play right here. Hawks, Madlax, Next Level, FCA.
You all got trolled. Pride changed their name, no parent refers to them as Pride any more.
FYI everyone 91 lost their pride and they are now Chaos. Hopefully Chaos doesn’t quit on the season after the World Series like Venom did last season, lol.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
Oh yeah. LI lax is not known for cheating, bonehead screaming parents with Qanon tattoos, or holdback players. None of those can be seen at a S2S, 91, LIE, or Lumberjacks game. This is hilarious. By all means tell us more.
Not sure what big deal is, MD has holdbacks, And many are the best players on their teams. Is everyone a Holdback on MD teams..of course not, But we all know, without our holdbacks or prefirsts many teams would be average at best.
MIAA is loaded with holdbacks who go on to a successful college career. Not a big deal to admit it works for MD and their teams.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
Oh yeah. LI lax is not known for cheating, bonehead screaming parents with Qanon tattoos, or holdback players. None of those can be seen at a S2S, 91, LIE, or Lumberjacks game. This is hilarious. By all means tell us more.
Not sure what big deal is, MD has holdbacks, And many are the best players on their teams. Is everyone a Holdback on MD teams..of course not, But we all know, without our holdbacks or prefirsts many teams would be average at best.
MIAA is loaded with holdbacks who go on to a successful college career. Not a big deal to admit it works for MD and their teams.
It’s just not nearly as rampant as you insinuate in 2029. It typically happens after 8th grade down in Md. not prior.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
Oh yeah. LI lax is not known for cheating, bonehead screaming parents with Qanon tattoos, or holdback players. None of those can be seen at a S2S, 91, LIE, or Lumberjacks game. This is hilarious. By all means tell us more.
Not sure what big deal is, MD has holdbacks, And many are the best players on their teams. Is everyone a Holdback on MD teams..of course not, But we all know, without our holdbacks or prefirsts many teams would be average at best.
MIAA is loaded with holdbacks who go on to a successful college career. Not a big deal to admit it works for MD and their teams.
It’s just not nearly as rampant as you insinuate in 2029. It typically happens after 8th grade down in Md. not prior.
Yes there is a spike in 8th grade as many need to go against other holdbacks/prefirsts in MIAA schools. But it actually starts in kindergarten with the huge amount of prefirsts now. All are full in most K-12 MIAA schools. Then the next spike is 6th to 7th as many MIAA let in more students at this time.
So sorry , but MD 2029 has many holdbacks and prefirsts, and yes, there are more coming in next two years.
My kid is playing on a MD 2029 Elite club. We lost exactly two players to age verification of which, only one was a meaningful loss. 20 other kids were unaffected. From what I hear from friends on other elite 2029 clubs, the effect is pretty similar for them.... no more than 10% of the team was impacted and those players weren't necessarily the difference makers.
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
Oh yeah. LI lax is not known for cheating, bonehead screaming parents with Qanon tattoos, or holdback players. None of those can be seen at a S2S, 91, LIE, or Lumberjacks game. This is hilarious. By all means tell us more.
Not sure what big deal is, MD has holdbacks, And many are the best players on their teams. Is everyone a Holdback on MD teams..of course not, But we all know, without our holdbacks or prefirsts many teams would be average at best.
MIAA is loaded with holdbacks who go on to a successful college career. Not a big deal to admit it works for MD and their teams.
To me there's two "big deals" as they pertain to bonehead lax parents.
1) In MD: The classified spy-ops of not admitting their kids are holdbacks until they've comfortably made Varsity in 10th-11th grade. Parents who will say out loud that there's no benefit to holdbacks, but secretly, have held their own kids back.
2) In NY, CT, RI: MA: The whining about MD holdbacks when it's nearly as prevalent in that region.
What I think you'll see in MD over the next 2 years is a decline in pre-firsts, a decline in 6th-grade holdbacks, and no change in 8th grade holdbacks. Think you'll see an uptick in post-grad / Prep / Juco attendance to get average MIAA / IAC players to a better recruiting position at age 19-20 instead of being recruited after sophomore year at age 16.
My kid is playing on a MD 2029 Elite club. We lost exactly two players to age verification of which, only one was a meaningful loss. 20 other kids were unaffected. From what I hear from friends on other elite 2029 clubs, the effect is pretty similar for them.... no more than 10% of the team was impacted and those players weren't necessarily the difference makers.
US Lacrosse didn’t go far enough. They should have made the cutoff Sept 1st. If they did, you would see a much bigger roster impact in MD.
I agree with the limited number of holdbacks on Md teams at the 29 level. The difference will be how teams that had difference makers adjust.
On a side note, from all the parents i have gotten to know only one parent has openly admitted that their son was a holdback prior to him being reclassed to his appropriate age. Why has it been such a task among parents to keep it a secret, because right now it's pretty obvious who was and wasn't. It was a ok back then you weren't breaking rules. SMH
91 Pride will dominate at the LWSC this year. No MD team can hang with them.
That's a bold statement considering Pride lost to the only truly elite MD team that they played last year, Annapolis Hawks. 91 LI Pride is 0-1 against Marylands best.
Yes against Marylands holdbacks they lost but to kids their own age from Maryland in the LWSC? No chance. I know Maryland goes by the motto “if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying” but Long Island doesn’t.
Oh yeah. LI lax is not known for cheating, bonehead screaming parents with Qanon tattoos, or holdback players. None of those can be seen at a S2S, 91, LIE, or Lumberjacks game. This is hilarious. By all means tell us more.
Not sure what big deal is, MD has holdbacks, And many are the best players on their teams. Is everyone a Holdback on MD teams..of course not, But we all know, without our holdbacks or prefirsts many teams would be average at best.
MIAA is loaded with holdbacks who go on to a successful college career. Not a big deal to admit it works for MD and their teams.
To me there's two "big deals" as they pertain to bonehead lax parents.
1) In MD: The classified spy-ops of not admitting their kids are holdbacks until they've comfortably made Varsity in 10th-11th grade. Parents who will say out loud that there's no benefit to holdbacks, but secretly, have held their own kids back.
2) In NY, CT, RI: MA: The whining about MD holdbacks when it's nearly as prevalent in that region.
What I think you'll see in MD over the next 2 years is a decline in pre-firsts, a decline in 6th-grade holdbacks, and no change in 8th grade holdbacks. Think you'll see an uptick in post-grad / Prep / Juco attendance to get average MIAA / IAC players to a better recruiting position at age 19-20 instead of being recruited after sophomore year at age 16.
I agree with the decline in pre-firsts and before 8th grade given the new age verification.
My kid is playing on a MD 2029 Elite club. We lost exactly two players to age verification of which, only one was a meaningful loss. 20 other kids were unaffected. From what I hear from friends on other elite 2029 clubs, the effect is pretty similar for them.... no more than 10% of the team was impacted and those players weren't necessarily the difference makers.
US Lacrosse didn’t go far enough. They should have made the cutoff Sept 1st. If they did, you would see a much bigger roster impact in MD.
You mean NLF.
US Lacrosse has always been 9/1
Man get over it. As soon as your kid hits high school and college he/she/it/they/them will be playing against older kids anyways. Stop the whining and crying about holdbacks
Any idea which teams will be playing at Fall Brawl in Annapolis
Hey Bud don't be p!@#$d about the fact that the new rule will affect your bottom line. Your boy will be just fine in his age group if he really is that good. Doesn't matter where he plays. right? He's that good. Beats younger kids, can beat his own age kids, and I am sure he is so good he can play up. Right? So why do you care about the new rule, right? Your son is a D1 prospect all ready. Why do you really care about the new rule? Let's be honest (please refer to the first sentence). Have a nice day.
Man get over it. As soon as your kid hits high school and college he/she/it/they/them will be playing against older kids anyways. Stop the whining and crying about holdbacks
Thanks Holdback Dad! The main point here is this is NOT High School or College and doing this at the younger ages is absolutely a safety thing. Your kid will have his chance to shine in High School but in the meantime nothing wrong with him playing with his on age peers. Honestly if he is that good have him play up in age since as you stated that will be expected of him later, but having him dominate younger kids makes zero sense and is contrary to your whole argument.
“In High School he will be playing against older kids anyway”
The holdback kid won’t! That’s the whole purpose of holding a kid back. Your holdback kid will NEVER play up in age.
Freshman yr on JV he’s the age of a sophomore
Sophomore yr on JV he’s the age of a Junior
Junior Yr on Varsity he’s the age of a Senior
Senior yr on Varsity he’s the age of a College Freshman
It’s done to gain an unfair advantage. In other words CHEATING.
My kid is playing on a MD 2029 Elite club. We lost exactly two players to age verification of which, only one was a meaningful loss. 20 other kids were unaffected. From what I hear from friends on other elite 2029 clubs, the effect is pretty similar for them.... no more than 10% of the team was impacted and those players weren't necessarily the difference makers.
US Lacrosse didn’t go far enough. They should have made the cutoff Sept 1st. If they did, you would see a much bigger roster impact in MD.
Looks like the LWSC has a 9/1 cutoff. How do folks think that will impact the teams (assuming they send a team)?
My kid is playing on a MD 2029 Elite club. We lost exactly two players to age verification of which, only one was a meaningful loss. 20 other kids were unaffected. From what I hear from friends on other elite 2029 clubs, the effect is pretty similar for them.... no more than 10% of the team was impacted and those players weren't necessarily the difference makers.
US Lacrosse didn’t go far enough. They should have made the cutoff Sept 1st. If they did, you would see a much bigger roster impact in MD.
Looks like the LWSC has a 9/1 cutoff. How do folks think that will impact the teams (assuming they send a team)?
The 9/1 cutoff will definitely hit any Maryland WSYL team because many kids who have later birthdays will do the "pre-first" route with private schools.
Also, Maryland simply doesn't have the same number of kids playing lax that long island does. Consider that LI's population of 7.8M is almost 30% larger than Maryland's 6.1M. Subtract the 600K people in Baltimore City who aren't playing lax and that difference grows even more stark.
Finally, Maryland is really two lax markets.... Baltimore County and Metro DC. Because of traffic, kids rarely travel past the closest market. Many of southern maryland's best players actually play in Virginia for programs like Madlax and VLC.
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
All the northern states, as well.
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
This happens in every sport, every state! Tired of your guys (or moms) whining. Take it to the holdback forum and write your letters to MD legislators (who created the 9/1 date that has been in place for 50+ years, or for as long as I’ve been alive). There are stars at Duke and Syracuse who you guys (or moms) love to claim as your own, but never mention their age. Now your B tournament that you love just moved to Minnesota,with?? Congrats to 91 Minneapolis, true Minnesota, Ice pluckers lc, Viking lc, gopher lc, and all the rest.
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
All the northern states, as well.
Case in Point.... Joey Spallina was born in January of 2003. That makes him a 20 year old Freshman.
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
All the northern states, as well.
Case in Point.... Joey Spallina was born in January of 2003. That makes him a 20 year old Freshman.
I just heard the mic hitting the floor…
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
All the northern states, as well.
Case in Point.... Joey Spallina was born in January of 2003. That makes him a 20 year old Freshman.
He isnt a holdback, just ask anyone that played with him. LOL
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
All the northern states, as well.
Case in Point.... Joey Spallina was born in January of 2003. That makes him a 20 year old Freshman.
All the Stanwick's were older. Worked for them. Lacrosse in MD is for Holdbacks. Lets move on and embrace it.
Does anyone know whether VLC is dropping to AAA or AA in hoco?
Take into account that the only great MD players are holdbacks too. See all your past and recent “stars”, all holdbacks!
This happens in every sport, every state! Tired of your guys (or moms) whining. Take it to the holdback forum and write your letters to MD legislators (who created the 9/1 date that has been in place for 50+ years, or for as long as I’ve been alive). There are stars at Duke and Syracuse who you guys (or moms) love to claim as your own, but never mention their age. Now your B tournament that you love just moved to Minnesota,with?? Congrats to 91 Minneapolis, true Minnesota, Ice pluckers lc, Viking lc, gopher lc, and all the rest.
Hahhahahha! Watch the LI families line up to throw $10,000 in the hole for this one.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
My understanding is that the VLC Elite team completely folded and that VLC will only have one 2029 team. There "B" team was not very good, so my guess would be AA. Someone can confirm.....but this is what I have heard from a couple people now.
The top guys all left and went to Team Chesapeake 2029 as part of a lot of cross relationships established through Nationals Lacrosse Club.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
Just playing together on the regional team.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
Kids can play on whatever National teams they want. It’s an extra cost either way so I would assume kids/parents will choose option that works best for them.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
Because True's focus is dollars. If you don't make their national team, why would they care that you're willing to spend another $1500 + to be on another national team? Now.....if kids who were able to make the True national team(s), declined and went to other national teams, yes True would be mad about that, because money.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
Because True's focus is dollars. If you don't make their national team, why would they care that you're willing to spend another $1500 + to be on another national team? Now.....if kids who were able to make the True national team(s), declined and went to other national teams, yes True would be mad about that, because money.
You can play for whatever national team you want. It's above and beyond.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
Because True's focus is dollars. If you don't make their national team, why would they care that you're willing to spend another $1500 + to be on another national team? Now.....if kids who were able to make the True national team(s), declined and went to other national teams, yes True would be mad about that, because money.
These kids would easily make True's top National Team. They are high end players on National LC which is the #1 ranked team in the 2029 class.
What fall tournaments or one day scrimmages are teams going to?
What fall tournaments or one day scrimmages are teams going to?
If you care so much start with which ones your team is playing in
What fall tournaments or one day scrimmages are teams going to?
If you care so much start with which ones your team is playing in
Meow.....
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
Because True's focus is dollars. If you don't make their national team, why would they care that you're willing to spend another $1500 + to be on another national team? Now.....if kids who were able to make the True national team(s), declined and went to other national teams, yes True would be mad about that, because money.
These kids would easily make True's top National Team. They are high end players on National LC which is the #1 ranked team in the 2029 class.
Ok, whatever you say mom! Since you mentioned rankings, how are kids from teams ranked #35+ (or somewhere close) all of a sudden high end players? With so many high end players, you’d think their regular teams would be much better(last year), since most of the good teams are only using a couple kids anyway.
And. Let’s not forget, the high end players on that #1 team were all the 13 yo and the couple 14 yo as shown by the parents and team IG posts. You parents did a fantastic job, now if only your sons cared as much as you do. As a 11 yo, my son learned from the beating he took from the #1 team and he can’t wait to see them in the future to compare mustaches and run it back.
What is a cross relationship mean and the coach agreed to it? Doesn’t true have its own national team they should play for?
It means kids from True and VLC who both played on Nationals team decided they wanted to ply together or at least that’s the way it seems the poster was suggesting.
True doesn’t want them on their national team and is ok with this? Why train kids on your team, to play for another team to play against the team with the kids you practice with weekly? Plus, abandoning your weekly teammates during games and tournaments to play with another team that plays against the True teams.
Because True's focus is dollars. If you don't make their national team, why would they care that you're willing to spend another $1500 + to be on another national team? Now.....if kids who were able to make the True national team(s), declined and went to other national teams, yes True would be mad about that, because money.
These kids would easily make True's top National Team. They are high end players on National LC which is the #1 ranked team in the 2029 class.
Ok, whatever you say mom! Since you mentioned rankings, how are kids from teams ranked #35+ (or somewhere close) all of a sudden high end players? With so many high end players, you’d think their regular teams would be much better(last year), since most of the good teams are only using a couple kids anyway.
And. Let’s not forget, the high end players on that #1 team were all the 13 yo and the couple 14 yo as shown by the parents and team IG posts. You parents did a fantastic job, now if only your sons cared as much as you do. As a 11 yo, my son learned from the beating he took from the #1 team and he can’t wait to see them in the future to compare mustaches and run it back.
Man, someone’s week is off to a rough start.
What fall tournaments or one day scrimmages are teams going to?
If you care so much start with which ones your team is playing in
Crabs / LTLC (Next Level Invitational)
Hawks (Victory Fall Classic, Hogan Fall Brawl)
Madlax (NXT Mid-Atlantic Games, Hogan Fall Brawl, NAL)
True Chesapeake (Next Level Invitational, NAL)
Predators (Next Level Invitational, Hogan Fall Brawl)
FCA (Trilogy Ches Fall Classic, Next Level Invitational, NAL)
Next Level (Next Level Invitational, Sweetlax Sweet 16)
Team 91 MD (Jack-O-Lantern Lax Classic, Hogan Fall Brawl)
VLC........???? elite team finished
True Baltimore........????
What fall tournaments or one day scrimmages are teams going to?
If you care so much start with which ones your team is playing in
Crabs / LTLC (Next Level Invitational)
Hawks (Victory Fall Classic, Hogan Fall Brawl)
Madlax (NXT Mid-Atlantic Games, Hogan Fall Brawl, NAL)
True Chesapeake (Next Level Invitational, NAL)
Predators (Next Level Invitational, Hogan Fall Brawl)
FCA (Trilogy Ches Fall Classic, Next Level Invitational, NAL)
Next Level (Next Level Invitational, Sweetlax Sweet 16)
Team 91 MD (Jack-O-Lantern Lax Classic, Hogan Fall Brawl)
VLC........???? elite team finished
True Baltimore........????
Thanks so much for posting this. That Next Level Invitational looks to be one to check out for sure.
World Series Qualifier? Anyone? Anyone?
World Series Qualifier? Anyone? Anyone?
The World has stopped caring about this.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
D1 as in the big name D1 teams or one of the schools that is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If that helps quarter zip/holdback/hit the wall Dad puff out his chest and say my boy went D1 more power to him but there are many D1 options but that doesn’t mean they are all worth it.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
D1 as in the big name D1 teams or one of the schools that is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If that helps quarter zip/holdback/hit the wall Dad puff out his chest and say my boy went D1 more power to him but there are many D1 options but that doesn’t mean they are all worth it.
There's definitely a ton of talent on 2029 Elite HOCO teams just based on how they all ended in the rankings this past season. However, I think it's way too early to forecast D1 talent. With the new age rules this year and how much the boys will grow in the next two years I think it's tough to determine.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
A decent number, but not as many as you think. Around 8-9th grade, kids start hitting puberty. That will have a huge impact, as more great athletes will start showing up on rosters— smaller kids who are. It blessed with speed and strength, even if they were great in 4th grade— will get lapped by these athletic kids. Enjoy the current years, the team will change dramatically come high school
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
While I largely agree with the puberty comments, I’d also add that many of these top kids in 7th grade will go on to pursue other sports or drop sports all together.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
While I largely agree with the puberty comments, I’d also add that many of these top kids in 7th grade will go on to pursue other sports or drop sports all together.
I'd also add that in most age groups the difference between the top of the Elite division and bottom of the Elite division is pretty large. While each team may average 4 or 5 legit prospects, the top teams may have 5-10 and the bottom will probably be 1 or 2 tops. Pretty similar to the number of prospects coming from the top of the MIAA vs the bottom.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
While I largely agree with the puberty comments, I’d also add that many of these top kids in 7th grade will go on to pursue other sports or drop sports all together.
I'd also add that in most age groups the difference between the top of the Elite division and bottom of the Elite division is pretty large. While each team may average 4 or 5 legit prospects, the top teams may have 5-10 and the bottom will probably be 1 or 2 tops. Pretty similar to the number of prospects coming from the top of the MIAA vs the bottom.
To your point, if you look at lax showcases and combines boasting 40yd dash times for 11th graders, the "fastest" are in the 4.71 range.
The immediate response is always "they don't have the best prospects" but in reality if your son is running closer to a 4.5, he's looking at track, football, or soccer options which are all waaaaay more plentiful than lax, and generally at the same schools.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
While I largely agree with the puberty comments, I’d also add that many of these top kids in 7th grade will go on to pursue other sports or drop sports all together.
I'd also add that in most age groups the difference between the top of the Elite division and bottom of the Elite division is pretty large. While each team may average 4 or 5 legit prospects, the top teams may have 5-10 and the bottom will probably be 1 or 2 tops. Pretty similar to the number of prospects coming from the top of the MIAA vs the bottom.
To your point, if you look at lax showcases and combines boasting 40yd dash times for 11th graders, the "fastest" are in the 4.71 range.
The immediate response is always "they don't have the best prospects" but in reality if your son is running closer to a 4.5, he's looking at track, football, or soccer options which are all waaaaay more plentiful than lax, and generally at the same schools.
Please keep that to yourself. We would like to think that we have some of the best athlete's playing lacrosse. But the reality is that we have mainly decent athletes and the occasionally good one but very rarely the exceptional one. As someone once said, we need some sport for the 5 ft 10 white guy to play and shine.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
While I largely agree with the puberty comments, I’d also add that many of these top kids in 7th grade will go on to pursue other sports or drop sports all together.
I'd also add that in most age groups the difference between the top of the Elite division and bottom of the Elite division is pretty large. While each team may average 4 or 5 legit prospects, the top teams may have 5-10 and the bottom will probably be 1 or 2 tops. Pretty similar to the number of prospects coming from the top of the MIAA vs the bottom.
To your point, if you look at lax showcases and combines boasting 40yd dash times for 11th graders, the "fastest" are in the 4.71 range.
The immediate response is always "they don't have the best prospects" but in reality if your son is running closer to a 4.5, he's looking at track, football, or soccer options which are all waaaaay more plentiful than lax, and generally at the same schools.
Please keep that to yourself. We would like to think that we have some of the best athlete's playing lacrosse. But the reality is that we have mainly decent athletes and the occasionally good one but very rarely the exceptional one. As someone once said, we need some sport for the 5 ft 10 white guy to play and shine.
I mean there's some truth to it....
Your HS son's team absolutely includes:
The 6'3" defenseman who isn't big enough to play D Line at college football.
The 5'9" all star FOGO who is only a 1 star wrestler
The "shifty attackman" who's the slowest soccer player on his HS team.
I think this adds to the shock/anger when the lax late bloomers start showing up on the radar in 9th-11th grade. "Club Team: Weight Room."
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
Hahaha.... Preds Dad reappears after a few months of regaling his friends about how his kid is playing for an elite team now...
Get ready for a big shock at the Next Level Invitational, Preds Dad... Better hope you don't draw NL, FCA, or True Chesapeake or even, frankly, Crabs/LTLC....
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
For being such a Preds fan, one would think that you would/should have known that there were two teams this summer before tryouts when the True Baltimore Black team moved over to become their second team?
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
For being such a Preds fan, one would think that you would/should have known that there were two teams this summer before tryouts when the True Baltimore Black team moved over to become their second team?
Preds have dedicated coaches at the 2029 level, not so much at the 2028 team. They don't even practice on Sunday.
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
Hahaha.... Preds Dad reappears after a few months of regaling his friends about how his kid is playing for an elite team now...
Get ready for a big shock at the Next Level Invitational, Preds Dad... Better hope you don't draw NL, FCA, or True Chesapeake or even, frankly, Crabs/LTLC....
Lets hope we do. Someone is jealous. Preds are on the rise, get used to it ! Talk of Baltimore
Hawks 2029 would be better with the st Mary’s kids. To much daddy ball
Happened to see Preds 2029 team practicing last week and they definitely have a lot of new faces and upgraded talent on the field. Looked like they now have two 2029 teams. Preds is on the rise!!!
Hahaha.... Preds Dad reappears after a few months of regaling his friends about how his kid is playing for an elite team now...
Get ready for a big shock at the Next Level Invitational, Preds Dad... Better hope you don't draw NL, FCA, or True Chesapeake or even, frankly, Crabs/LTLC....
Lets hope we do. Someone is jealous. Preds are on the rise, get used to it ! Talk of Baltimore
This won’t age well, count on it.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
While I largely agree with the puberty comments, I’d also add that many of these top kids in 7th grade will go on to pursue other sports or drop sports all together.
I'd also add that in most age groups the difference between the top of the Elite division and bottom of the Elite division is pretty large. While each team may average 4 or 5 legit prospects, the top teams may have 5-10 and the bottom will probably be 1 or 2 tops. Pretty similar to the number of prospects coming from the top of the MIAA vs the bottom.
To your point, if you look at lax showcases and combines boasting 40yd dash times for 11th graders, the "fastest" are in the 4.71 range.
The immediate response is always "they don't have the best prospects" but in reality if your son is running closer to a 4.5, he's looking at track, football, or soccer options which are all waaaaay more plentiful than lax, and generally at the same schools.
You sound ridiculous.
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
Interesting question. 8 Elite teams is about 192 players. Looking at the last couple years of recruits on IL it's about 120 kids from DMV going D1. From 7th grade to 10th/11th grade I would estimate 50% roster turnover. Allowing for some recruits to come from non HoCo elite teams, my guess would be about 25%.
I would say this is about spot on… little Johnny who dominated in 4th grade is at serious risk of not becoming “big Johnny” if puberty is not kind to the lad. Strong, fast athletes on AA teams will figure out the stick work, and they will take a lot of those spots in 9th grade and beyond
While I largely agree with the puberty comments, I’d also add that many of these top kids in 7th grade will go on to pursue other sports or drop sports all together.
I'd also add that in most age groups the difference between the top of the Elite division and bottom of the Elite division is pretty large. While each team may average 4 or 5 legit prospects, the top teams may have 5-10 and the bottom will probably be 1 or 2 tops. Pretty similar to the number of prospects coming from the top of the MIAA vs the bottom.
To your point, if you look at lax showcases and combines boasting 40yd dash times for 11th graders, the "fastest" are in the 4.71 range.
The immediate response is always "they don't have the best prospects" but in reality if your son is running closer to a 4.5, he's looking at track, football, or soccer options which are all waaaaay more plentiful than lax, and generally at the same schools.
You sound ridiculous.
Here we go! A 7th grade dad who has it all planned out. Gee none of us have seen that before.
“Definitely a Rebels Black mom who knows their son would never make another team without Dad coaching. That cult will be your downfall lol.“
This is such a poor take
“Definitely a Rebels Black mom who knows their son would never make another team without Dad coaching. That cult will be your downfall lol.“
This is such a poor take
Who the heck are the Rebels?
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
I think quite a few of the Elite HOCO teams from last year are playing in two weeks at the Next Level tournament. Should be fun to watch! The Preds Dad has me really wanting to pay attention to how they fare.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Where??? True, Ltlc or red hots
New favorite for HOCO this year is 91.
New favorite for HOCO this year is 91.
Are you ok?
New favorite for HOCO this year is 91.
Preds dad don't tell me something happened and you are going back to your old team again.
I would actually really like to see this. They have been the punching bag for so long. Would love to see all the other
teams parents losing their minds!!!!
I would actually really like to see this. They have been the punching bag for so long. Would love to see all the other
teams parents losing their minds!!!!
The Washington Generals of 2029 Elite, but then again the Generals did have a few wins…
Team 91MD 2029 wouldn't have a winning record in AAA - maybe they are dropping to AA?
Team 91MD 2029 wouldn't have a winning record in AAA - maybe they are dropping to AA?
Word on the street is they will never move down from Elite so they can sell parents their kid is an elite player. Pretty painful to watch the last 4 years.
Team 91MD 2029 wouldn't have a winning record in AAA - maybe they are dropping to AA?
Word on the street is they will never move down from Elite so they can sell parents their kid is an elite player. Pretty painful to watch the last 4 years.
This is the year!
Nope. True Chesapeake is making all the moves this year.
New favorite for HOCO this year is 91.
Look who is here, Thanks Mark ! Now dont you and Austin have some snuggling to do.
Nope. True Chesapeake is making all the moves this year.
Hurry up and wait
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
The better teams at the circuit look like varsity age kids. Totally ridiculous
A new question for the forum... our boys are in 7th grade. In a little more than 3 years, recruiting is going to begin. Each year, teams that formerly played HOCO elite and top MIAA teams matriculate a ton of D1 talent.
What percentage of current (2029) HOCO elite team players do you think will actually develop into these future D1 recruits? Will these teams develop current players or will they simply recruit new talent and turn their rosters over to produce these results?
A decent number, but not as many as you think. Around 8-9th grade, kids start hitting puberty. That will have a huge impact, as more great athletes will start showing up on rosters— smaller kids who are. It blessed with speed and strength, even if they were great in 4th grade— will get lapped by these athletic kids. Enjoy the current years, the team will change dramatically come high school
8th grade down south ain’t the same as 8th grade up north
They are getting learners permits down south
I thought this was the age verification tournament. Wasn’t that the point. except for 3 waivers. It’s all over social media too. Is this just sour grapes parents complaining or does this tournament not live up to the billing and promises?
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Please show age verification then? How do you know, how do we find out? I can’t wait to heckle his parents in Florida.
Do we need to do a welfare check on Madlax’s Supreme Leader Cabell?!?! lots of ‘29 Madlax boys on rival Next Level’s MOJO Circuit team. Heard same for several other MOJO teams…
Do we need to do a welfare check on Madlax’s Supreme Leader Cabell?!?! lots of ‘29 Madlax boys on rival Next Level’s MOJO Circuit team. Heard same for several other MOJO teams…
Looks like he is realizing that he needs to let go of the "iron fist" or he will lose more kids...
At 28 I think only two madlax playing for Mojo- one who can do whatever he wants, one who I would have thought would be just grateful to be at madlax and maybe one more.
Next level 29s are good. Do they need any Madlax kids? Didn’t they beat ML in hoco?
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Please show age verification then? How do you know, how do we find out? I can’t wait to heckle his parents in Florida.
RedHots dad here. Yes, we have ‘28 kids on our team but they are young for the grade. There are 7th graders playing that are older than them. The Circuit is age based not grade based so we are not in the wrong. And no need to ever heckle parents under any circumstances.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Please show age verification then? How do you know, how do we find out? I can’t wait to heckle his parents in Florida.
RedHots dad here. Yes, we have ‘28 kids on our team but they are young for the grade. There are 7th graders playing that are older than them. The Circuit is age based not grade based so we are not in the wrong. And no need to ever heckle parents under any circumstances.
You sound like a mom of an exemption kid that doesn’t want to be embarrassed. I really enjoy heckling parents that search harder for loopholes rather than show their child what hard work and extra practice is.
Did I count 15 subs on your sideline or were you combining teams?
At 28 I think only two madlax playing for Mojo- one who can do whatever he wants, one who I would have thought would be just grateful to be at madlax and maybe one more.
3 that I know of. 2 middies and big 47. Cabell must be puking in the bushes again
Yea 47 can do whatever he wants.
There are 3 ML 28s and the 2 that left ML for NL playing for MOJOs. Not an accident they got a lot of attention on MOJO's instagram. Pretty funny. Big 47 also plays for Red Hots and guests for NL from time to time. Not all the rules apply the same at that club....probably why it's melting down.
We were at the Circuit over the weekend and any claim that they are keeping close eye on players being on age is laughable. Some teams looked like they had honored the age rules and holy moly did they get punished for it.
I guess DM took whichever ML kids asked to play with Mojo last weekend just to mess with CM - other than 47 who is by all accounts a great player.
We were at the Circuit over the weekend and any claim that they are keeping close eye on players being on age is laughable. Some teams looked like they had honored the age rules and holy moly did they get punished for it.
Failed the eye test for sure. Thought these rosters are supposed to be public?
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
I thought this was the age verification tournament. Wasn’t that the point. except for 3 waivers. It’s all over social media too. Is this just sour grapes parents complaining or does this tournament not live up to the billing and promises?
The Circuit requires that you submit a copy of Birth Certificate or Passport. June 1 cutoff. 2 exceptions allowed at the 29 level but they cannot be born before 1/1/2010.
Boo-Hoo! They are not reclased they are the same age as the nationals kids. Both 13 just more skilled than the Nationals kids playing up they are verified. Nationals parents were angry they started a fight very classless telling your players to injury a player. Good luck Nationals your run is over!
Boo-Hoo! They are not reclased they are the same age as the nationals kids. Both 13 just more skilled than the Nationals kids playing up they are verified. Nationals parents were angry they started a fight very classless telling your players to injury a player. Good luck Nationals your run is over!
Dude, it’s youth lacrosse. Grow up.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
I thought this was the age verification tournament. Wasn’t that the point. except for 3 waivers. It’s all over social media too. Is this just sour grapes parents complaining or does this tournament not live up to the billing and promises?
The Circuit requires that you submit a copy of Birth Certificate or Passport. June 1 cutoff. 2 exceptions allowed at the 29 level but they cannot be born before 1/1/2010.
Appreciate the explanation and kudos to Red Hots for being able to get a beast based on his birthdate. Textbook recruiting. But that team is literally one player who’s bigger, faster, stronger and then a bunch of kids to complete a roster. The upset daddies are the ones dreading football players dominating their avg height/athleticism kids spots. Sorry but it’s just a matter of time.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
I thought this was the age verification tournament. Wasn’t that the point. except for 3 waivers. It’s all over social media too. Is this just sour grapes parents complaining or does this tournament not live up to the billing and promises?
The Circuit requires that you submit a copy of Birth Certificate or Passport. June 1 cutoff. 2 exceptions allowed at the 29 level but they cannot be born before 1/1/2010.
Appreciate the explanation and kudos to Red Hots for being able to get a beast based on his birthdate. Textbook recruiting. But that team is literally one player who’s bigger, faster, stronger and then a bunch of kids to complete a roster. The upset daddies are the ones dreading football players dominating their avg height/athleticism kids spots. Sorry but it’s just a matter of time.
Help me out, I went to public school. If my son birthday is 7/2011, could he play for 31’s in the circuit? Again, please help don’t tease me.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
There are 3 ML 28s and the 2 that left ML for NL playing for MOJOs. Not an accident they got a lot of attention on MOJO's instagram. Pretty funny. Big 47 also plays for Red Hots and guests for NL from time to time. Not all the rules apply the same at that club....probably why it's melting down.
Big 47 is almost done. He stop growing over a year ago. Topped out at 5’8 165 lbs. Dominated 6th grade lax and was still impactful last year. I suspect most of the Elite 8th grade teams will have an LSM who can stop him this upcoming year. In a few years, he’ll be one of the smaller kids on the field. At that time, he’ll be the one needing to rely on athleticism to stay relevant.
No, has to be born in or after 05/31/2012
It's a National event. No loopholes part of the rules. Nationals has is the worst they used there number ONE status to poach all the kids from the circuit teams. But they are ok I'm glad they got beat, nobody stays with that team for long anyway. Did anyone see the attack get trucked by the big kid who is the same age! Might be elite with the small guys but when running with the big boys they are in trouble
We were at the Circuit over the weekend and any claim that they are keeping close eye on players being on age is laughable. Some teams looked like they had honored the age rules and holy moly did they get punished for it.
The dude who was playing for True Chesapeake 2028 now playing for 2029 Red Hots from Nevada is like 15 years old. Last spring was already being recruited for college football. No joke. This stuff has gotten completely out of hand.
We were at the Circuit over the weekend and any claim that they are keeping close eye on players being on age is laughable. Some teams looked like they had honored the age rules and holy moly did they get punished for it.
The dude who was playing for True Chesapeake 2028 now playing for 2029 Red Hots from Nevada is like 15 years old. Last spring was already being recruited for college football. No joke. This stuff has gotten completely out of hand.
The Circuit is a joke, money grab. Not to mention at the 2029 and 2028 level some of the teams def have older kids across the board. Nothing is validated.
who would ask to play for MOJO? what a joke. the NL kids who didn't get asked by their owner to play for MOJO must feel pretty bad.............. especially if they had to go to ML to recruit players.
Son played in the Circuit for the first time this past weekend........fool experience. Weather was unreal with the rain on Saturday. More importantly it was a poop show when it came to rosters and players. I personally watched a kid on the 2029 play for a Nations United, then swapped jerseys and put on a Nationals jersey to play with them. There clearly was 2028's playing down on all sorts of teams.........and the top teams were littered with elite level HOCO players (Hawks, Madlax, FCA, True Chesapeake).
What was the point of all this "Age Verification" stuff for Tournaments and HOCO Spring League...if events like the Circuit are not going to abide by them. Are we now going to have events that are "Age Verification Certified" and events that are not??
We definitely won't be back and I don't see that event surviving another 2 years. Complete MONEY GRAB! The only people that really care about it are Red Hots and Nationals........because their success doesn't exist without the event.
I agree, very disappointing The Circuit didn’t do a better job of managing the weather. Next time they should have it rain on Friday instead.
Read above posts regarding age verification that took place and the kid(s) you’re probably questioning.
Sorry your son’s team got beat. That also should never happen.
The Red Hots do the most extensive recruiting. I mean what other team uses Connor Kelly to send DMs to kids to recruit them for the team. The Nationals practices the most.
I agree, very disappointing The Circuit didn’t do a better job of managing the weather. Next time they should have it rain on Friday instead.
Read above posts regarding age verification that took place and the kid(s) you’re probably questioning.
Sorry your son’s team got beat. That also should never happen.
The Red Hots do the most extensive recruiting. I mean what other team uses Connor Kelly to send DMs to kids to recruit them for the team. The Nationals practices the most.
Red hots manipulated the rules to let 8th graders play 2029. The circuit obliged.
The circuit also doesn’t care about age verification. It’s definitely a scam. Player authenticate is a scam.
It’s a bad lacrosse tournament- but due to flashy social media the kids want to play. So there is that.
Overall 2/10 event.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
Did this kid decide to repeat seventh grade this year or is he still in eighth grade playing in a seventh grade league? Big difference.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
Circuit...
We are going to do age verification!!! Sign up and pay
We will do age based
Ahhh we will now do 15 month window...........
Oops we are now doing extended age window and 3 exceptions
OK game day raise your hand if you are not you and to old.
OK we are good to go!! cha ching!
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
I just posted this, and I am here to say I may stand corrected. Maybe a kid in 2028 grad class can indeed play in 2029 grad class based on new age rules. It’s still not super clear, but it does say in high school, they will play with their graduation year team. So that’s a little vague— it says “in high school, NLF will continue to group high school players by graduation year.”
Not sure how that would work if he’s playing on a team with sophomores while being a Junior. Seems ridiculous for sure.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
Sure dude, point me to where it says that in the Circuit or NLF rules. Maybe right after the part of the NLF rules where it says that going forward, teams have a graduation year solely for "team name purposes". Or the part of the NLF-USL agreement discussing "U14 teams" and "U12 teams." Show me the facts that have led you to this conclusion you feel so incredibly strong about. I have a weird feeling that it's something that you heard from a club coach who allegedly heard it from Ricky Dubois at the Hoco league who allegedly talked to US Lacrosse about it at some point (with a reminder here that the HoCo league, while awesome, does not comprise "all club lacrosse" or rules for such). How close am I?
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
Sure dude, point me to where it says that in the Circuit or NLF rules. Maybe right after the part of the NLF rules where it says that going forward, teams have a graduation year solely for "team name purposes". Or the part of the NLF-USL agreement discussing "U14 teams" and "U12 teams." Show me the facts that have led you to this conclusion you feel so incredibly strong about. I have a weird feeling that it's something that you heard from a club coach who allegedly heard it from Ricky Dubois at the Hoco league who allegedly talked to US Lacrosse about it at some point (with a reminder here that the HoCo league, while awesome, does not comprise "all club lacrosse" or rules for such). How close am I?
While we’re on the HoCo subject. Can 8th graders play in the 7th grade division this spring if they’re born after May 31, 2010?
That could get interesting. So much for keeping classmates together, per the USL statement.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
Sure dude, point me to where it says that in the Circuit or NLF rules. Maybe right after the part of the NLF rules where it says that going forward, teams have a graduation year solely for "team name purposes". Or the part of the NLF-USL agreement discussing "U14 teams" and "U12 teams." Show me the facts that have led you to this conclusion you feel so incredibly strong about. I have a weird feeling that it's something that you heard from a club coach who allegedly heard it from Ricky Dubois at the Hoco league who allegedly talked to US Lacrosse about it at some point (with a reminder here that the HoCo league, while awesome, does not comprise "all club lacrosse" or rules for such). How close am I?
While we’re on the HoCo subject. Can 8th graders play in the 7th grade division this spring if they’re born after May 31, 2010?
That could get interesting. So much for keeping classmates together, per the USL statement.
It's right on the front page of ghclacrosse.com - "No player born before June 1, 2010 may participate in 2029".
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
Sure dude, point me to where it says that in the Circuit or NLF rules. Maybe right after the part of the NLF rules where it says that going forward, teams have a graduation year solely for "team name purposes". Or the part of the NLF-USL agreement discussing "U14 teams" and "U12 teams." Show me the facts that have led you to this conclusion you feel so incredibly strong about. I have a weird feeling that it's something that you heard from a club coach who allegedly heard it from Ricky Dubois at the Hoco league who allegedly talked to US Lacrosse about it at some point (with a reminder here that the HoCo league, while awesome, does not comprise "all club lacrosse" or rules for such). How close am I?
While we’re on the HoCo subject. Can 8th graders play in the 7th grade division this spring if they’re born after May 31, 2010?
That could get interesting. So much for keeping classmates together, per the USL statement.
That "keeping teams together" statement served one purpose and expressed a totally different verifiable fact.
The purpose of that phrase was to smooth the fires of club lax parents worried about losing their "star" even though the "star" is 2 years older, and will inevitably have to play with 2028s if not 2027s for awhile. It's a "this is fine" statement. "please don't freak out."
The verifiable fact behind that phrase is that with few elite exceptions in MA, NY, Philly, MD, and DC, the 300 or so 2029 club teams playing across the country will for the most part "stay together" because the average club team at HoCo AA and below has maybe 2 holdbacks. By default, the other 23-27 kids on the roster can "stay together."
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
Sure dude, point me to where it says that in the Circuit or NLF rules. Maybe right after the part of the NLF rules where it says that going forward, teams have a graduation year solely for "team name purposes". Or the part of the NLF-USL agreement discussing "U14 teams" and "U12 teams." Show me the facts that have led you to this conclusion you feel so incredibly strong about. I have a weird feeling that it's something that you heard from a club coach who allegedly heard it from Ricky Dubois at the Hoco league who allegedly talked to US Lacrosse about it at some point (with a reminder here that the HoCo league, while awesome, does not comprise "all club lacrosse" or rules for such). How close am I?
While we’re on the HoCo subject. Can 8th graders play in the 7th grade division this spring if they’re born after May 31, 2010?
That could get interesting. So much for keeping classmates together, per the USL statement.
Age and Grade in HOCO:
2029
Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2010 may participate in 2029
Grade Requirement: Players in 7th grade MUST participate in the 2029 grade designation or above (2028) pending age requirement
*Players born before June 1, 2010 in 7th grade must participate in the 2028 grade designation.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
Sure dude, point me to where it says that in the Circuit or NLF rules. Maybe right after the part of the NLF rules where it says that going forward, teams have a graduation year solely for "team name purposes". Or the part of the NLF-USL agreement discussing "U14 teams" and "U12 teams." Show me the facts that have led you to this conclusion you feel so incredibly strong about. I have a weird feeling that it's something that you heard from a club coach who allegedly heard it from Ricky Dubois at the Hoco league who allegedly talked to US Lacrosse about it at some point (with a reminder here that the HoCo league, while awesome, does not comprise "all club lacrosse" or rules for such). How close am I?
While we’re on the HoCo subject. Can 8th graders play in the 7th grade division this spring if they’re born after May 31, 2010?
That could get interesting. So much for keeping classmates together, per the USL statement.
Age and Grade in HOCO:
2029
Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2010 may participate in 2029
Grade Requirement: Players in 7th grade MUST participate in the 2029 grade designation or above (2028) pending age requirement
*Players born before June 1, 2010 in 7th grade must participate in the 2028 grade designation.
Does not answer the previous poster’s question. LOT of 2028 on age kids were born between June 1 and August 31, 2010. Based on the guy above, all these kids (1/4 of the on age 2028’s can choose to play down in 2029 this spring at HoCo. That’s what you’re saying.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Circuit is age based and does not follow graduation year. The Circuit verifies every kid through a third-party service that requires a birth certificate. Guessing NLF and US Lacrosse will not age verify this way but rather utilize US Lacrosse membership information. Too expensive for NLF to use a third-party service and nor do they want to dig too deep with their founding and affiliate members. US Lacrosse membership information is not verified. Get your kid a number, put whatever birthdate you want in the registration link and pay your fee.
I recall uploading a birth certificate for age verification for my son on US Lacrosse. Maybe I'm misremembering.
3rd party? It was guy with a excel spreadsheet from NXT that read names and kids raised hands. Didn't even read all the names on the list. 3rd party was to print the list of names I guess.
I saw True C scrimmaging LTLC last weekend while at Red Hots training. Some good talent over there.
Based on what I saw at the Circuit this weekend, are you sure that wasn’t True National’s 2028 team reclassed and now playing with/as the 29 Red Hots National Team?
No, full of Hawks.
Parent of a 29 Red Hots National Team. We only have 2 Hawks players and they were only there on SAT.
Multiple True kids from across the country. All June 1 Birthdays or later. Big boys nonetheless.
Um, that was a rhetorical question by the PP. But to correct him they aren’t reclasses. The kid who scored all the goals is a ‘28.
Kid who scored all the goals was born June 24, 2010.
That’s a 2028 on age kid
US Lacrosse/NLF rules dictate anyone born after 5/31/2010 can play as a 2029.
The Circuit adopted similar rules with 2 exemptions per team allowing birthdates 1/1/2010 or later.
No, no, no. That’s not correct. It’s for kids who are IN SEVENTH GRADE, AND HAVE BEEN RECLASSED. My kid is in 8th grade, but born July 2010. He cannot play in a 2029 event, even though his age would allow him to do so. He would need to reclass and be in the 7th grade, which is the 2029 class. If the kid has not reclassed, and is still in the 2028 grade year— he’s cheating if playing 2029.
You have made this overly complicated, and you're not correct...whether you believe their intent was to focus on reclassed kids is correct or not.
The Circuit's age rules are quite simple:
For 2029s - Born after 5/31/10 with two exemptions born 1/1/10 or later
For 2028s - Born after 5/31/09 with three exemptions born 1/1/09 or later including last year's somehow approved double-holdback players grandfathered in (fun fact, there), but no "new" double holdbacks.
That's it. There's no more to it, at least in writing. The USL-NLF system is switching directly to soccer-style age groups. In fact the new NLF rules say "graduation years are only for team names" starting this year.
So, congrats on your son's playing up a year, all these years, but it's clear that he doesn't have to anymore.
For better and for worse, age/grad year are now less complicated and for your son, he now has more options.
You’re wrong. 2028 kids cannot play in 2029’division based on age. The age exception applies to kids playing 2029 who are old enough to be 2028, but reclassed somewhere along the way. My son is on age for 2028, he’s just on the younger end having been a July 2010 kid. If he wants to reclass after this year, yes, he could play 2029 because he IS ONE. This change did NOT make youth lacrosse an age-based sport. It simply allows the slightly older ones who have already reclassed, to keep playing 2029. If they are considerably older and have reclassed, they have to go play with their peers in age at 2028.
Repeat— youth lacrosse is STILL grade based. You play in the grade you are in, or you can play up. But you cannot, under any instance, PLAY DOWN.
Sure dude, point me to where it says that in the Circuit or NLF rules. Maybe right after the part of the NLF rules where it says that going forward, teams have a graduation year solely for "team name purposes". Or the part of the NLF-USL agreement discussing "U14 teams" and "U12 teams." Show me the facts that have led you to this conclusion you feel so incredibly strong about. I have a weird feeling that it's something that you heard from a club coach who allegedly heard it from Ricky Dubois at the Hoco league who allegedly talked to US Lacrosse about it at some point (with a reminder here that the HoCo league, while awesome, does not comprise "all club lacrosse" or rules for such). How close am I?
While we’re on the HoCo subject. Can 8th graders play in the 7th grade division this spring if they’re born after May 31, 2010?
That could get interesting. So much for keeping classmates together, per the USL statement.
Age and Grade in HOCO:
2029
Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2010 may participate in 2029
Grade Requirement: Players in 7th grade MUST participate in the 2029 grade designation or above (2028) pending age requirement
*Players born before June 1, 2010 in 7th grade must participate in the 2028 grade designation.
Based on this, a July, 2010 birth date means that you can:
1. Play with 2027s (no Hoco teams this year obviously)
2. Play with 2028s
3. Play with 2029s
4. Cannot play with 2030s
If your son's birthday falls within the eligible range, there's no documentation anywhere for any tournament or league (that I've seen) that says that the player must be tied to the club roster for their graduation date....that's the entire holdback legacy problem that the Lax Overlords are trying to solve. They want the players to be LESS tied to their grade level and MORE tied to age appropriate tiers, creating fewer high performance "outliers."
I recall uploading a birth certificate for age verification for my son on US Lacrosse. Maybe I'm misremembering.
I'm not sure you're wrong or right, but when we re-upped my son's USL membership in August, we did not have to upload any age verification.
Last year for the Circuit we *did* have to upload age verification documents. Which was kind of silly in retrospect, because that specific Circuit event (Naples) ended up with completely broken and unrecorded rosters, multiple players playing down and playing for multiple teams, etc. One MD kid wasn't on a roster, but his brother was, so the unrostered kid randomly brought his stick/helmet/gloves on the trip..... and the unrostered kid ended up playing the whole event, as well as in the championship weekend, for the championship team.
Also file under: "Sure, tryouts are the legitimate way that teams build their roster."
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
I'm told USL/NLF events will require every rostered player to be age verified via USL. Coaches will have a list on their phone that should verify their roster. All coaches will have the option between quarters to inquire about an opposing players age should they choose and the opposing coach will have to age verify for that player. Failure to do so will be an automatic DQ of the team from the event.
The USL age verification process requires an ID or birth certificate.
I recall uploading a birth certificate for age verification for my son on US Lacrosse. Maybe I'm misremembering.
That's correct. You have to submit a birth certificate.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
So much hand wringing and pearl clutching. In just the last 90 days, youth lax has moved from:
"we love double holdbacks...it's how we show that we develop players! Sure he has a mustache, thats normal in 5th grade."
to:
"state education birth years plus 90 days."
Almost all the 2028 reclasses left their 2029 teams after tryouts this summer. Youth lax will look a bit different and more fair, going forward. Is it perfect? Maybe? Yes? No? but take a deep breath already.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
NOTABLE ITEMS IN USA LACROSSE'S PLAYER SEGMENTATION POLICY:
An emphasis on grouping players by single-age years (12-month span), with exceptions of up to 24 months for age groupings as needed. (Note: NLF has chosen to use 15-month age groupings for its clubs and events.)
A September 1 birthdate is the start of new age groupings in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level when possible.
Firmly defined playing season that begins its 12-month cycle on September 1.
Standardized nomenclature that lists maximum age first (i.e., 12U, not U12).
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
Nobody upset. Simply pointing out that if they want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season (June)— the cutoff would be January 1st. With the middle of that age group (let’s continue to use 12u for this purpose), you would have 50% of the 12 year olds playing together at the height of of the June season (kids born March, April and May and kids born Nume, July and August). You will always have kids who are 364 days older than other kids in their age group. But you’d be closer to the median age at the height of the season if January was the cutoff, and the season is June/July. Not a big deal, not upset.
Ice Hockey does it. You play by birth yesr. 14 year olds today are playing in the 2010 division. Just an example.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
Nobody upset. Simply pointing out that if they want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season (June)— the cutoff would be January 1st. With the middle of that age group (let’s continue to use 12u for this purpose), you would have 50% of the 12 year olds playing together at the height of of the June season (kids born March, April and May and kids born Nume, July and August). You will always have kids who are 364 days older than other kids in their age group. But you’d be closer to the median age at the height of the season if January was the cutoff, and the season is June/July. Not a big deal, not upset.
Ice Hockey does it. You play by birth yesr. 14 year olds today are playing in the 2010 division. Just an example.
Valid point for those who understand the Bell curve concept
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
Nobody upset. Simply pointing out that if they want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season (June)— the cutoff would be January 1st. With the middle of that age group (let’s continue to use 12u for this purpose), you would have 50% of the 12 year olds playing together at the height of of the June season (kids born March, April and May and kids born Nume, July and August). You will always have kids who are 364 days older than other kids in their age group. But you’d be closer to the median age at the height of the season if January was the cutoff, and the season is June/July. Not a big deal, not upset.
Ice Hockey does it. You play by birth yesr. 14 year olds today are playing in the 2010 division. Just an example.
This sentence does not make sense: "If you want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season...". How close in age kids are to one another never changes. A kid 1 day older than another stays 1 day older - forever. Same with a kid 364 days older than another. The rosters do not change on June 1st.
I think you're getting hung up on the "12U" designation which frankly I've never seen used in any tournament or league my son has played in. It's always just "2029".
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
The math major has no clue what they are talking about...they are just trying to goad people into an argument. Some folks just like to stir up comments with nonsense.
First big play day of the season on Sunday, at the Next Level event. Should have some good games, here's a few to watch:
- 8:30: Hawks v. FCA. How do Hawks fare against a team that came within a goal of beating them in HoCo last spring. FCA added some key pieces and should be much improved.
- 10:30: FCA playing LTRC/Crabs. LTRC/Crabs had a huge roster turn-over - with almost 50% of their roster changing, including losing some very key players. But they also picked up some kids. Last year the teams split with each team beating the other a couple times each. Always a hard-fought game when LTLC plays FCA.
- 11:30: Hawks playing Next Level. These are almost certainly the cream of the 2029 crop in the country - and the top two local teams.
Also cool that the play day includes the most likely group of teams to be in the top division of HoCo this coming season. Only VLC and 91MD not present. Millon doesn't historically challenge his teams pre-season - and his teams clearly have well-documented problems competing at this level (aside from the ones that he has kids on.) And I think VLC lost a bunch of players / may not have a team playing at this level this year?
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
It's a 15 month window, genius. I'm sorry your kid was born in January and is not competitive with his own age group. Get over it. It will all even out when everyone gets through puberty.
Also, age verification wasn't about keeping teams together... it was about player safety.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
It's a 15 month window, genius. I'm sorry your kid was born in January and is not competitive with his own age group. Get over it. It will all even out when everyone gets through puberty.
Also, age verification wasn't about keeping teams together... it was about player safety.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
No... what would make the most sense is Sept 1st... in line with the actual school year cutoff.... but I'm guessing your kid was a January or February birthday and you're still butthurt watching him get embarrassed by similarly aged kids.
If "safety" were the impetus they would've been better served focusing on the officials properly and forcefully adjudicating the rules.
I must be an [Censored]. The best athletes I knew growing up had older brothers who beat on them constantly and made them earn everything. I've been focused on having my kid play up in any sport where his ability warrants it. Little did I know I should have been focusing on having him play down so he can best weaker competition.
Talk to a team 29 parent this week. They picked up some of the players from the non existent kelly post team and they are playing in the elite division. Looking forward to seeing how teams do in the fall tournaments. Looks like the next level tournament has the top Hoco Elite Teams. 91 is not in it.
Talk to a team 29 parent this week. They picked up some of the players from the non existent kelly post team and they are playing in the elite division. Looking forward to seeing how teams do in the fall tournaments. Looks like the next level tournament has the top Hoco Elite Teams. 91 is not in it.
What team?
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
Nobody upset. Simply pointing out that if they want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season (June)— the cutoff would be January 1st. With the middle of that age group (let’s continue to use 12u for this purpose), you would have 50% of the 12 year olds playing together at the height of of the June season (kids born March, April and May and kids born Nume, July and August). You will always have kids who are 364 days older than other kids in their age group. But you’d be closer to the median age at the height of the season if January was the cutoff, and the season is June/July. Not a big deal, not upset.
Ice Hockey does it. You play by birth yesr. 14 year olds today are playing in the 2010 division. Just an example.
This sentence does not make sense: "If you want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season...". How close in age kids are to one another never changes. A kid 1 day older than another stays 1 day older - forever. Same with a kid 364 days older than another. The rosters do not change on June 1st.
I think you're getting hung up on the "12U" designation which frankly I've never seen used in any tournament or league my son has played in. It's always just "2029".
Last try… lacrosse season starts June 1 and goes through July 15.
The age group 12 U is kids born June 1 through August 31 of the following year. Assuming the dispersion of birthdays is equally scattered throughout that time period— you’re needlessly overweighting the advantage to the kids born in those first 3 months.
Now try to follow. If the split was in the middle of that time period— you’d have 25% of the kids 3 months younger, and 25% 3 months older.
Done trying to explain mean average or bell curves to lax bros. Carry on.
This is fool, next topic. See what happens when you try to make sense on here. Predictions for October Inv.
NL 3-0
FCA 2-1
Hawks 2-1
True 2-1.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
Nobody upset. Simply pointing out that if they want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season (June)— the cutoff would be January 1st. With the middle of that age group (let’s continue to use 12u for this purpose), you would have 50% of the 12 year olds playing together at the height of of the June season (kids born March, April and May and kids born Nume, July and August). You will always have kids who are 364 days older than other kids in their age group. But you’d be closer to the median age at the height of the season if January was the cutoff, and the season is June/July. Not a big deal, not upset.
Ice Hockey does it. You play by birth yesr. 14 year olds today are playing in the 2010 division. Just an example.
This sentence does not make sense: "If you want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season...". How close in age kids are to one another never changes. A kid 1 day older than another stays 1 day older - forever. Same with a kid 364 days older than another. The rosters do not change on June 1st.
I think you're getting hung up on the "12U" designation which frankly I've never seen used in any tournament or league my son has played in. It's always just "2029".
Last try… lacrosse season starts June 1 and goes through July 15.
The age group 12 U is kids born June 1 through August 31 of the following year. Assuming the dispersion of birthdays is equally scattered throughout that time period— you’re needlessly overweighting the advantage to the kids born in those first 3 months.
Now try to follow. If the split was in the middle of that time period— you’d have 25% of the kids 3 months younger, and 25% 3 months older.
Done trying to explain mean average or bell curves to lax bros. Carry on.
Lacrosse season for new teams is usually Fall through end of July. Although it seems like tryouts are getting earlier and earlier due to competition.
Lots of 29’s playing down in 2030 too. No reclassing either…just based on summer bdays and being non-contributor on the 29 team
Yeah, figure this will happen. Anyone who thinks this age thing will keep teams together is clueless. If you have the age cutoff at June 1, kids will be aging out RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER SEASON. They should have used birth year, period.
This makes zero sense. It's like the poster has absolutely no clue and just looking to create laughs. Unless a kid's birthday changes date - so for example, he goes from being born on July 10th to the same kid being born on May 15th....there's no way he will "age out in the middle of a season". His birthday is his birthday - and that drives his ability to be rostered on a 2029 team.
I’m guessing this previous poster was pointing out that having the age breakpoint in the exact middle of the high season of lacrosse (Summer), teams or divided at the least opportune time. If we’re going by age only, and grade no longer mattters. I dunno, just glad she is becoming meaningful again.
This is even more incoherent than the "birth year" post. Didn't think it was possible.
Clearly, the terms “median” and “mean” in mathematics mean nothing to you, so I won’t attempt to explain. But having the split between two different age groups right in the middle of the HEIGHT (or middle of bell curve) of the lacrosse season does not make sense, if they actually thought about what they’re trying to accomplish with this change. It would be January 1st.
For a 2029 team, the kids will have birthdays between 6/1/2010 to 5/31/2011 (unless a kid is playing up). For games played before 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. For games played after 6/1/2024 all the kids will be on-age 2029s. Please explain to us what exactly will happen on June 1st that has you so upset and provide an example.
Nobody upset. Simply pointing out that if they want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season (June)— the cutoff would be January 1st. With the middle of that age group (let’s continue to use 12u for this purpose), you would have 50% of the 12 year olds playing together at the height of of the June season (kids born March, April and May and kids born Nume, July and August). You will always have kids who are 364 days older than other kids in their age group. But you’d be closer to the median age at the height of the season if January was the cutoff, and the season is June/July. Not a big deal, not upset.
Ice Hockey does it. You play by birth yesr. 14 year olds today are playing in the 2010 division. Just an example.
This sentence does not make sense: "If you want the greatest number of 12 year olds closest in age to one another at the height of the season...". How close in age kids are to one another never changes. A kid 1 day older than another stays 1 day older - forever. Same with a kid 364 days older than another. The rosters do not change on June 1st.
I think you're getting hung up on the "12U" designation which frankly I've never seen used in any tournament or league my son has played in. It's always just "2029".
Last try… lacrosse season starts June 1 and goes through July 15.
The age group 12 U is kids born June 1 through August 31 of the following year. Assuming the dispersion of birthdays is equally scattered throughout that time period— you’re needlessly overweighting the advantage to the kids born in those first 3 months.
Now try to follow. If the split was in the middle of that time period— you’d have 25% of the kids 3 months younger, and 25% 3 months older.
Done trying to explain mean average or bell curves to lax bros. Carry on.
Thanks again for the math lesson - granted anyone that took the time to read your post actually got dumber in the process. You make no sense. But you are trying to make no sense, just stir up reactions. So you win.
This is fool, next topic. See what happens when you try to make sense on here. Predictions for October Inv.
NL 3-0
FCA 2-1
Hawks 2-1
True 2-1.
So I’m the math major. NL 3-0 means they have to beat fca. Hawks 2-1 means they lose to hawks and beat fca. That’s two loses for fca. You have fca 1-2. Everyone needs to learn bell curves and basic math.
This is fool, next topic. See what happens when you try to make sense on here. Predictions for October Inv.
NL 3-0
FCA 2-1
Hawks 2-1
True 2-1.
Where’s Madlax
I am not the age/grade/Mayan Calendar obsessed Dad. Your tourney predictions won't pan out with the actual schedule match-ups. Besides, Talk of the Town Dad is sure to chime in with a Predators line of 3-0 for the day.
I am not the age/grade/Mayan Calendar obsessed Dad. Your tourney predictions won't pan out with the actual schedule match-ups. Besides, Talk of the Town Dad is sure to chime in with a Predators line of 3-0 for the day.
You got that right ! Talk of town is in the Hunt !
Mayan Calendar Dad ahahahaha
I am not the age/grade/Mayan Calendar obsessed Dad. Your tourney predictions won't pan out with the actual schedule match-ups. Besides, Talk of the Town Dad is sure to chime in with a Predators line of 3-0 for the day.
You got that right ! Talk of town is in the Hunt !
Care to revise your "Talk of the Town" comments after Preds was formerly introduced to the ELITE division today?
Lost 3-11 to NL
Lost 1-12 to True Chesapeake
Lost 5-10 to Crabs
Haven't played Madlax or FCA yet....
Going to be a looooong Hoco season for Preds. Turns out all those new pieces were just the same as the old pieces.
This is fool, next topic. See what happens when you try to make sense on here. Predictions for October Inv.
NL 3-0
FCA 2-1
Hawks 2-1
True 2-1.
Not to shabby with the predictions. Results are:
NL 2-0-1
Hawks 2-0-1
True 2-1
FCA 1-2
Crabs 1-2
Talk of Baltimore 0-3
Fair assessment on the predictions. I will say it's a good baseline for each team. I noticed that most of the teams were missing key pieces and may not have been playing their best ball. Interested in seeing how they will adjust going forward now that most of the elite teams have seen each other, Out of curiosity (because of the discussion here). I did make it a point to see both A and B preds teams.
My assessment on preds (Not ment to bash the preds but an observstion)
Preds seemed to really struggle. They are in for a ride.
Technically they are a step behind, even for fall ball, All the teams I watched struggled with this but not as much. Lots for dropped passes. Ground balls where an issue. Off ball movement was non existent. It's apparent the boys handn't played together.
The difference between the A and B teams are minimal.
The A team has one or two players that have skills to keep up however, it's a team sport.
If none of the teams they where playing were firing on full cylinders and had this much trouble, I can't imagine what the season will be like.
I hope if they decided to play in the elite division they coaches due their due diligence and develop a plan to handle the skill level, speed, and talent found in the HOCO elite level.
Fair assessment on the predictions. I will say it's a good baseline for each team. I noticed that most of the teams were missing key pieces and may not have been playing their best ball. Interested in seeing how they will adjust going forward now that most of the elite teams have seen each other, Out of curiosity (because of the discussion here). I did make it a point to see both A and B preds teams.
My assessment on preds (Not ment to bash the preds but an observstion)
Preds seemed to really struggle. They are in for a ride.
Technically they are a step behind, even for fall ball, All the teams I watched struggled with this but not as much. Lots for dropped passes. Ground balls where an issue. Off ball movement was non existent. It's apparent the boys handn't played together.
The difference between the A and B teams are minimal.
The A team has one or two players that have skills to keep up however, it's a team sport.
If none of the teams they where playing were firing on full cylinders and had this much trouble, I can't imagine what the season will be like.
I hope if they decided to play in the elite division they coaches due their due diligence and develop a plan to handle the skill level, speed, and talent found in the HOCO elite level.
I watched most of a game of Preds A and maybe a quarter of Preds B.
I have to respectfully disagree. Preds B appears to be a sizeable distance behind A. They were totally exposed against BLC... a AA HOCO team that has lost most of their top talent. Frankly, Preds B might struggle in AAA this year.
Fair assessment on the predictions. I will say it's a good baseline for each team. I noticed that most of the teams were missing key pieces and may not have been playing their best ball. Interested in seeing how they will adjust going forward now that most of the elite teams have seen each other, Out of curiosity (because of the discussion here). I did make it a point to see both A and B preds teams.
My assessment on preds (Not ment to bash the preds but an observstion)
Preds seemed to really struggle. They are in for a ride.
Technically they are a step behind, even for fall ball, All the teams I watched struggled with this but not as much. Lots for dropped passes. Ground balls where an issue. Off ball movement was non existent. It's apparent the boys handn't played together.
The difference between the A and B teams are minimal.
The A team has one or two players that have skills to keep up however, it's a team sport.
If none of the teams they where playing were firing on full cylinders and had this much trouble, I can't imagine what the season will be like.
I hope if they decided to play in the elite division they coaches due their due diligence and develop a plan to handle the skill level, speed, and talent found in the HOCO elite level.
I watched most of a game of Preds A and maybe a quarter of Preds B.
I have to respectfully disagree. Preds B appears to be a sizeable distance behind A. They were totally exposed against BLC... a AA HOCO team that has lost most of their top talent. Frankly, Preds B might struggle in AAA this year.
Interesting that after a full play day with 6 elite HoCo teams (yes, like it or not, Preds will be there in Elite), the only conversation is on the Preds. Nothing at all on the epic match between Hawks and Next level. Or FCA's improvement. Or True Cheseapke's new look (True-haters are not going to be happy this year watching the TC 2029's.) Or Crabs obvious step back/struggles. The fixation on Preds might have to do with the fact they have the only non-parent coach (who is highly respected in the lacrosse community), the thought that they develop their kids better than anyone else in Baltimore outside of FCA (and probably on par with FCA), and that they are the only Baltimore team able to pull together two teams which speaks to them doing something right in the eyes of parents (i.e. developing their boys). Anyone who has watched them can see they obviously took a large step forward from last year. Does that mean they will compete with the top tier of elite? No. But I don't think anyone was expecting that. Not many teams nationally can compete with those guys. And Baltimore probably doesn't have the boys to support two truly elite teams at this 2029 level. FCA is the one Baltimore elite team at this age group.
There is a clear division between True Ches, Hawks, NL, FCA - and then everyone else (will be interesting to see where ML falls on the dividing line this year.) Crabs has 6th place in elite locked down - but they dont look like they will be competitive against the top dogs - they clearly have taken a step back, especially in their midfield. Will be interesting to see if Team MD, 91MD, True Baltimore (or anyone else) is competitive versus Preds.
But please keep talking Preds instead of all the other awesome things we saw yesterday. It was a great tourney and a great day. Great seeing so many friendly faces and so many talented kids.
It’s impressive that parents know what their kid wants out of a college experience the moment the child is born. Top tier parenting
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
I think the preds converation is interesting because of the discussion on this board. A fact about being able to have two teams. From the coaches mouth. "We have two teams because our second team is True baltimore that folded and was moved over." Yes there is interest in the boys continuing to play, but it wasn't really recruiting it was just a shift of where the boys will be. I saw a lot good play and fun being had by all the 29 teams. Emphasis on fun. I think if coaches are smart they will use this tourney to evaluate their own players and systems rather then their competition. Every team will continue to improve. Some more then others. Only time will tell. I predict a similar finish to last year in hoco, but I think the gap between top teams will get smaller.
Any word on Madlax? What happened to BLC or VLC?
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
NL will win it all this year! During the Hawks game I noticed Hawks kept in there starters for most of the game, playing to win, where NL played 50-50 like you should in the Fall. NL will have a much improved squad come the spring because of it! Beware of the daddy Coaches!
Yeah a couple other teams where playing their 2nd lines more often and trying players indifferent positions. FCA ran their starters the entire game,
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
NL will win it all this year! During the Hawks game I noticed Hawks kept in there starters for most of the game, playing to win, where NL played 50-50 like you should in the Fall. NL will have a much improved squad come the spring because of it! Beware of the daddy Coaches!
Not buying the comment about NL. In the 2 competitive games Hawks/FCA, starting attack didn’t come off the field and big #3 played as much as any midfielder. Plus, Hawks relied heavily on the fly in goalie. That said, Hawks and NL have a thin advantage against the next tier…TC, ML, and FCA. If a 2nd tier team wins, I wouldn’t call it a big upset. All of those team are talented and play hard!
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
NL will win it all this year! During the Hawks game I noticed Hawks kept in there starters for most of the game, playing to win, where NL played 50-50 like you should in the Fall. NL will have a much improved squad come the spring because of it! Beware of the daddy Coaches!
Not buying the comment about NL. In the 2 competitive games Hawks/FCA, starting attack didn’t come off the field and big #3 played as much as any midfielder. Plus, Hawks relied heavily on the fly in goalie. That said, Hawks and NL have a thin advantage against the next tier…TC, ML, and FCA. If a 2nd tier team wins, I wouldn’t call it a big upset. All of those team are talented and play hard!
Puberty will play a much larger role in who beats who next spring and summer, this is the winter when 7th graders start growing like weeds. Some of the best players in these teams will look average next summer.
Yeah a couple other teams where playing their 2nd lines more often and trying players indifferent positions. FCA ran their starters the entire game,
There was a lot of experimentation with new players / roles with FCA.
Coach was not prioritizing winning. He was definitely focusing on giving the new players opportunities in different situations to see where they will best fit in.
A great Next Level Invitational - Fall Event. Weather was great for a fall event and everything seemed to run smoothly. Referees at these events will never be perfect, but all in all was okay.
It was great to watch six of the eight elite level HOCO teams play each other (no Madlax or 91). There were some great games and as much as we know it was just a "fall event"....teams / coaches were playing to win especially in the close battles. Love the field layout as it allows you to watch a lot of different teams play in a short amount of time. I got to float around and watch my son's team (Next Level) along with many other teams. My analysis from what I saw................
Next Level (2-0-1):
11-3: Over Predators.......Predators was the weakest team in attendance.
5-5: Great battle between two teams. Both teams were playing to win, and I thought Next Level was about to pull away, but Hawks responded in true Hawks fashion. Game played a quick 4 minute overtime and ended in a tie.
5-4: Another great battle and one that I thought was headed to overtime as well. FCA had several possessions with the game tied at 4-4 in the last 4 minutes of the game, but couldn't find the back of the net. An incredible goal with 30 seconds left sealed the deal for Next Level.
Overview: Loved seeing how much pressure Next Level put on the ball all over the field. They have great athletes at midfield and defense. #3 - Midfielder continues to be a man amongst boys and generated a lot of the offense in games I saw. Great team that should continue to be a top 10 team in the country and could be top 4 depending on how things continue.
Hawks (2-0-1):
6-4: Over FCA. Another dog fight. Was the first game of the day and definitely sloppy at times. Two very good teams, but Hawks seems to always find a way to be on top at the end.
5-5: with Next Level (see above)
8-7: Over True Chesapeake. A really good game. True Chesapeake has definitely improved with the merger with VLC.
Overview: Was curious to see if Hawks had many new players and didn't see many. There staple players seemed to still be the same. Lots of people were talking about their goalie situation on the sidelines, and from what it sounds like they will continue to fly in their goalie from last year as much as possible (he's a difference maker). Hawks has that compete factor and was down a few times, but showed the will to battle back each time. Very impressive team, who will only get better. I think you still have to say they are #1 until they are dethroned. I see them as a top 5 team in the country.
True Chesapeake (2-1):
9-5: Over Crabs.....not close at all. Started to display new weapons on offense.
12-1: Over Preds.....dominated them.....could have been even worse.
7-8: Loss to Hawks.....
Overview: Would like to have seen True Chesapeake play another team like Next Level or FCA, but they clearly have added several new pieces with the collapse of the VLC elite team. There offensive firepower will need time to gel, but they are going to be very good. Several great attackman and midfielders. They could definitely be a top 10 team in the country.
FCA (1-2):
4-6: Loss to Hawks. Very good game.... (see above)
10-4: Over Crabs......not close at all. FCA won almost every face off and could have been worse.
4-5: Loss to Next level. As a parent my favorite game of the day. Very physical and fun game to watch. (see above).
Overview: FCA looked to have several new pieces on the field, but will it be enough to push them to the top? They might just need some time to gel or it might be the same as last year where they are the last team out looking in on the playoffs. They definitely ride their strengths at goalie and defense. They could definitely be a top 10 team in the country once again, or could slide to top 20.
Crabs (1-2):
5-9: Loss to True Chesapeake
4-10: Loss to FCA
10-5: win over Predators
Overview: Crabs.....LTLC.......Legends......we will call them Crabs for this event.....seemed to have a lot of new players on the field. Was surprised they just seemed to be "smaller" and less physical then most. #26 - Midfielder was not on the field (not sure why) and most of the goals scored / offense was generated from #89. Curious to see if they go out an find some out of state upgrades, or if this could be a mediocre season ahead for Crabs 29's.
Predators (0-3):
3-11: Loss to Next Level
1-12: Loss to True Chesapeake
5-10: Loss to Crabs
Overview: A step up from AAA to Elite is always an eye opener for most teams. Appeared to have a lot of new players and definitely more talent, but it's going to take some time for them to build and gel as a team. Could be a long year ahead for them in rebuilding.......I'm sure they are thankful that Team 91 will be in Elite as well.
Early Rankins from just what I saw
1stA - Hawks
1stB - Next Level
2nd - True Ches / FCA (wish that True would have played Next Level to get a better sense)
3rd - Crabs
4th - Predators
A great Next Level Invitational - Fall Event. Weather was great for a fall event and everything seemed to run smoothly. Referees at these events will never be perfect, but all in all was okay.
It was great to watch six of the eight elite level HOCO teams play each other (no Madlax or 91). There were some great games and as much as we know it was just a "fall event"....teams / coaches were playing to win especially in the close battles. Love the field layout as it allows you to watch a lot of different teams play in a short amount of time. I got to float around and watch my son's team (Next Level) along with many other teams. My analysis from what I saw................
Next Level (2-0-1):
11-3: Over Predators.......Predators was the weakest team in attendance.
5-5: Great battle between two teams. Both teams were playing to win, and I thought Next Level was about to pull away, but Hawks responded in true Hawks fashion. Game played a quick 4 minute overtime and ended in a tie.
5-4: Another great battle and one that I thought was headed to overtime as well. FCA had several possessions with the game tied at 4-4 in the last 4 minutes of the game, but couldn't find the back of the net. An incredible goal with 30 seconds left sealed the deal for Next Level.
Overview: Loved seeing how much pressure Next Level put on the ball all over the field. They have great athletes at midfield and defense. #3 - Midfielder continues to be a man amongst boys and generated a lot of the offense in games I saw. Great team that should continue to be a top 10 team in the country and could be top 4 depending on how things continue.
Hawks (2-0-1):
6-4: Over FCA. Another dog fight. Was the first game of the day and definitely sloppy at times. Two very good teams, but Hawks seems to always find a way to be on top at the end.
5-5: with Next Level (see above)
8-7: Over True Chesapeake. A really good game. True Chesapeake has definitely improved with the merger with VLC.
Overview: Was curious to see if Hawks had many new players and didn't see many. There staple players seemed to still be the same. Lots of people were talking about their goalie situation on the sidelines, and from what it sounds like they will continue to fly in their goalie from last year as much as possible (he's a difference maker). Hawks has that compete factor and was down a few times, but showed the will to battle back each time. Very impressive team, who will only get better. I think you still have to say they are #1 until they are dethroned. I see them as a top 5 team in the country.
True Chesapeake (2-1):
9-5: Over Crabs.....not close at all. Started to display new weapons on offense.
12-1: Over Preds.....dominated them.....could have been even worse.
7-8: Loss to Hawks.....
Overview: Would like to have seen True Chesapeake play another team like Next Level or FCA, but they clearly have added several new pieces with the collapse of the VLC elite team. There offensive firepower will need time to gel, but they are going to be very good. Several great attackman and midfielders. They could definitely be a top 10 team in the country.
FCA (1-2):
4-6: Loss to Hawks. Very good game.... (see above)
10-4: Over Crabs......not close at all. FCA won almost every face off and could have been worse.
4-5: Loss to Next level. As a parent my favorite game of the day. Very physical and fun game to watch. (see above).
Overview: FCA looked to have several new pieces on the field, but will it be enough to push them to the top? They might just need some time to gel or it might be the same as last year where they are the last team out looking in on the playoffs. They definitely ride their strengths at goalie and defense. They could definitely be a top 10 team in the country once again, or could slide to top 20.
Crabs (1-2):
5-9: Loss to True Chesapeake
4-10: Loss to FCA
10-5: win over Predators
Overview: Crabs.....LTLC.......Legends......we will call them Crabs for this event.....seemed to have a lot of new players on the field. Was surprised they just seemed to be "smaller" and less physical then most. #26 - Midfielder was not on the field (not sure why) and most of the goals scored / offense was generated from #89. Curious to see if they go out an find some out of state upgrades, or if this could be a mediocre season ahead for Crabs 29's.
Predators (0-3):
3-11: Loss to Next Level
1-12: Loss to True Chesapeake
5-10: Loss to Crabs
Overview: A step up from AAA to Elite is always an eye opener for most teams. Appeared to have a lot of new players and definitely more talent, but it's going to take some time for them to build and gel as a team. Could be a long year ahead for them in rebuilding.......I'm sure they are thankful that Team 91 will be in Elite as well.
Early Rankins from just what I saw
1stA - Hawks
1stB - Next Level
2nd - True Ches / FCA (wish that True would have played Next Level to get a better sense)
3rd - Crabs
4th - Predators
Thanks for the write up!
Excellent write up. I thought it was very honest and fair. TY. I don’t understand the out of state or flyin stuff at this age. I think it’s a little early maybe next year or two. Just my opinion. What matters now is what players do now until the start of the season. Two observations. 1. It’s was really nice to be able to chat with parents from other teams at this fall tournament. Seemed like most parents supported players on other teams when a good play was made. 2. Is LTLC the last standing rec/club team left at this level? If it is good for them. While I understand they also play as crabs and will switch soon to full time crabs it’s good to see a rec program in the mix. Excited for the season.
Great write up and an accurate assessment from what I saw. Thanks for taking the time.
Predators is just what everyone thought they would be,,, Talk of Baltimore !!
Did Ty Xanders attend the event and put that write up out? LOL!
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
NL will win it all this year! During the Hawks game I noticed Hawks kept in there starters for most of the game, playing to win, where NL played 50-50 like you should in the Fall. NL will have a much improved squad come the spring because of it! Beware of the daddy Coaches!
Not buying the comment about NL. In the 2 competitive games Hawks/FCA, starting attack didn’t come off the field and big #3 played as much as any midfielder. Plus, Hawks relied heavily on the fly in goalie. That said, Hawks and NL have a thin advantage against the next tier…TC, ML, and FCA. If a 2nd tier team wins, I wouldn’t call it a big upset. All of those team are talented and play hard!
Puberty will play a much larger role in who beats who next spring and summer, this is the winter when 7th graders start growing like weeds. Some of the best players in these teams will look average next summer.
It also plays a role in who gets cut. The elite MD teams have the luxury of looking at two equal skilled players and will always pick the larger one. Roster membership is a one year contract and a kid's potential to get bigger/faster are just not a concern of club coaches.
The kids who were "best in the country" in 4th-5th grade are generally not even starters on their elite teams by 8th grade. Kids who grow quick will move up in the rankings relative to their actual talent, and kids who hit their growth spurt late are in for a couple of rough years aka will have to play down below their skill level to get PT, or play 3rd line AAA/elite. A year later, the tables turn again (as new kids have grown into their size) , until about the end of 9th grade when most things are settled. That said there are a few highly ranked 11th graders every year who were on nobody's map a year ago because they were small.....and now they aren't.
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
NL will win it all this year! During the Hawks game I noticed Hawks kept in there starters for most of the game, playing to win, where NL played 50-50 like you should in the Fall. NL will have a much improved squad come the spring because of it! Beware of the daddy Coaches!
Not buying the comment about NL. In the 2 competitive games Hawks/FCA, starting attack didn’t come off the field and big #3 played as much as any midfielder. Plus, Hawks relied heavily on the fly in goalie. That said, Hawks and NL have a thin advantage against the next tier…TC, ML, and FCA. If a 2nd tier team wins, I wouldn’t call it a big upset. All of those team are talented and play hard!
Puberty will play a much larger role in who beats who next spring and summer, this is the winter when 7th graders start growing like weeds. Some of the best players in these teams will look average next summer.
It also plays a role in who gets cut. The elite MD teams have the luxury of looking at two equal skilled players and will always pick the larger one. Roster membership is a one year contract and a kid's potential to get bigger/faster are just not a concern of club coaches.
The kids who were "best in the country" in 4th-5th grade are generally not even starters on their elite teams by 8th grade. Kids who grow quick will move up in the rankings relative to their actual talent, and kids who hit their growth spurt late are in for a couple of rough years aka will have to play down below their skill level to get PT, or play 3rd line AAA/elite. A year later, the tables turn again (as new kids have grown into their size) , until about the end of 9th grade when most things are settled. That said there are a few highly ranked 11th graders every year who were on nobody's map a year ago because they were small.....and now they aren't.
Pretty fair explanation, extrapolating out from 2029. I watched some 2028 games on Sunday next to our, and man, those kids were MUCH bigger and faster. 7-8th is where serious growth happens
This thread is taking a very strange turn. Talking about player rankings and “top” players in the nation.
Daddy’s been watching too much tik tok. I bet your videos are pure fire though….
This thread is taking a very strange turn. Talking about player rankings and “top” players in the nation.
Daddy’s been watching too much tik tok. I bet your videos are pure fire though….
Easy Preds Dad. No need to take it to negative town.
Agreed. Social media has really done a lot to make "players" look better than they might be. Add a little music and a filter and you can be elite as well. I don't mind great play and highlights but dolling it up for likes, heard colleges are now giving extra credits for the followers you have. Hard work always comes through. Eventually to instagram and tik tok videos will be forgotten.
I do like the positive discussions about the 29 lacrosse that has happened on this page. Because of fall and winter i guess it might quiet for a while.
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
NL will win it all this year! During the Hawks game I noticed Hawks kept in there starters for most of the game, playing to win, where NL played 50-50 like you should in the Fall. NL will have a much improved squad come the spring because of it! Beware of the daddy Coaches!
Not buying the comment about NL. In the 2 competitive games Hawks/FCA, starting attack didn’t come off the field and big #3 played as much as any midfielder. Plus, Hawks relied heavily on the fly in goalie. That said, Hawks and NL have a thin advantage against the next tier…TC, ML, and FCA. If a 2nd tier team wins, I wouldn’t call it a big upset. All of those team are talented and play hard!
Puberty will play a much larger role in who beats who next spring and summer, this is the winter when 7th graders start growing like weeds. Some of the best players in these teams will look average next summer.
It also plays a role in who gets cut. The elite MD teams have the luxury of looking at two equal skilled players and will always pick the larger one. Roster membership is a one year contract and a kid's potential to get bigger/faster are just not a concern of club coaches.
The kids who were "best in the country" in 4th-5th grade are generally not even starters on their elite teams by 8th grade. Kids who grow quick will move up in the rankings relative to their actual talent, and kids who hit their growth spurt late are in for a couple of rough years aka will have to play down below their skill level to get PT, or play 3rd line AAA/elite. A year later, the tables turn again (as new kids have grown into their size) , until about the end of 9th grade when most things are settled. That said there are a few highly ranked 11th graders every year who were on nobody's map a year ago because they were small.....and now they aren't.
Pretty fair explanation, extrapolating out from 2029. I watched some 2028 games on Sunday next to our, and man, those kids were MUCH bigger and faster. 7-8th is where serious growth happens
Also worth noting that the 2028s are the last grad class where "all" holdouts including double holdbacks are being rostered without any concern for age verification. So at the elite level, it's guaranteed that you saw some 15 year olds at the minimum. There are literally 2028s, who are enrolled at MIAA and IAC schools, taking Drivers Ed this fall, who can get their learners permit in early 2024.
Hawks had two epic games, one vs NL and than one vs True C. Up 3 on True C, True came back in 4th to tie and go up 1. OT game. Hawks came up on top. Great lax for a fall tourney. Going to be fun watching all these teams battle out next Spring.
I think we saw it for the first time last year in Hoco Elite. The gap between the top teams and others is closing. This weekends games showed even greater parity. Having said that, it's fall season and there's a lot of training and practice to be had before spring. Still lots of fun games to watch this past weekend.
It was a fun play day for all except Preds. NL improved, True improved, FCA went backwards, Hawks stayed the same, Crabs ehh but will get better.
NL will win it all this year! During the Hawks game I noticed Hawks kept in there starters for most of the game, playing to win, where NL played 50-50 like you should in the Fall. NL will have a much improved squad come the spring because of it! Beware of the daddy Coaches!
Not buying the comment about NL. In the 2 competitive games Hawks/FCA, starting attack didn’t come off the field and big #3 played as much as any midfielder. Plus, Hawks relied heavily on the fly in goalie. That said, Hawks and NL have a thin advantage against the next tier…TC, ML, and FCA. If a 2nd tier team wins, I wouldn’t call it a big upset. All of those team are talented and play hard!
Puberty will play a much larger role in who beats who next spring and summer, this is the winter when 7th graders start growing like weeds. Some of the best players in these teams will look average next summer.
It also plays a role in who gets cut. The elite MD teams have the luxury of looking at two equal skilled players and will always pick the larger one. Roster membership is a one year contract and a kid's potential to get bigger/faster are just not a concern of club coaches.
The kids who were "best in the country" in 4th-5th grade are generally not even starters on their elite teams by 8th grade. Kids who grow quick will move up in the rankings relative to their actual talent, and kids who hit their growth spurt late are in for a couple of rough years aka will have to play down below their skill level to get PT, or play 3rd line AAA/elite. A year later, the tables turn again (as new kids have grown into their size) , until about the end of 9th grade when most things are settled. That said there are a few highly ranked 11th graders every year who were on nobody's map a year ago because they were small.....and now they aren't.
Pretty fair explanation, extrapolating out from 2029. I watched some 2028 games on Sunday next to our, and man, those kids were MUCH bigger and faster. 7-8th is where serious growth happens
Also worth noting that the 2028s are the last grad class where "all" holdouts including double holdbacks are being rostered without any concern for age verification. So at the elite level, it's guaranteed that you saw some 15 year olds at the minimum. There are literally 2028s, who are enrolled at MIAA and IAC schools, taking Drivers Ed this fall, who can get their learners permit in early 2024.
THIS!
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Good for them! Nice to get a few wins under their belt before getting grinded into a fine paste during HOCO because they refuse to move out of the Elite division. It still baffles me they put those kids through this every year.
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Good for them! Nice to get a few wins under their belt before getting grinded into a fine paste during HOCO because they refuse to move out of the Elite division. It still baffles me they put those kids through this every year.
You get better by playing better competition. Regardless of the outcome you have to respect a team or isnt ducking competition
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Good for them! Nice to get a few wins under their belt before getting grinded into a fine paste during HOCO because they refuse to move out of the Elite division. It still baffles me they put those kids through this every year.
You get better by playing better competition. Regardless of the outcome you have to respect a team or isnt ducking competition
If it was based on merit I would agree. This team would not have won AAA the last two years, yet they are in “Elite” due to politics and backroom deals. That is just ignorant. Have a fall event with some juice behind it and take bottom 3 from Elite prior year plus top 3 from Triple AAA . Top 3 go into Elite. That would make more sense than continuing to bow down to certain programs for whatever reason.
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Good for them! Nice to get a few wins under their belt before getting grinded into a fine paste during HOCO because they refuse to move out of the Elite division. It still baffles me they put those kids through this every year.
You get better by playing better competition. Regardless of the outcome you have to respect a team or isnt ducking competition
Not sure kids learn much getting beat 16-0 or 15-3. Playing at the right level of competition teaches them more.
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Good for them! Nice to get a few wins under their belt before getting grinded into a fine paste during HOCO because they refuse to move out of the Elite division. It still baffles me they put those kids through this every year.
You get better by playing better competition. Regardless of the outcome you have to respect a team or isnt ducking competition
Not sure kids learn much getting beat 16-0 or 15-3. Playing at the right level of competition teaches them more.
Coach here. Players...especially youth players...learn the most at high stress, high engagement, with the occasional dopamine hit. Whats a good metric for that?
A good club coach and director are laser focused on it....a PF-PA of close to zero. There are teams who are up 30+ goals and down 30+ goals this fall. Neither group of kids are improving. The team who's scored 35 and given up 39 is learning much faster.
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Good for them! Nice to get a few wins under their belt before getting grinded into a fine paste during HOCO because they refuse to move out of the Elite division. It still baffles me they put those kids through this every year.
You get better by playing better competition. Regardless of the outcome you have to respect a team or isnt ducking competition
Not sure kids learn much getting beat 16-0 or 15-3. Playing at the right level of competition teaches them more.
Coach here. Players...especially youth players...learn the most at high stress, high engagement, with the occasional dopamine hit. Whats a good metric for that?
A good club coach and director are laser focused on it....a PF-PA of close to zero. There are teams who are up 30+ goals and down 30+ goals this fall. Neither group of kids are improving. The team who's scored 35 and given up 39 is learning much faster.
91 Youth Teams have been getting pasted in HOCO. Generally ending with a 10/80 GF/GA ratio. I know multiple kids that have left the team because losing by those margins is taking all the fun out of the sport.
Where’s ML for NAL? They really playing B tournaments all fall?
Where’s ML for NAL? They really playing B tournaments all fall?
They are in the Sunday bracket with FCA.
Where’s ML for NAL? They really playing B tournaments all fall?
They are in the Sunday bracket with FCA.
Madlax
West Coast Stars
Sweetlax Upstate
Dukes Elite
FCA MD
Mad Dog National
Prime Time
Sweetlax Fla
Thunder
Brotherly Love
Pretty good competition for Madlax I'd say............
Where’s ML for NAL? They really playing B tournaments all fall?
They are in the Sunday bracket with FCA.
Madlax
West Coast Stars
Sweetlax Upstate
Dukes Elite
FCA MD
Mad Dog National
Prime Time
Sweetlax Fla
Thunder
Brotherly Love
Pretty good competition for Madlax I'd say............
Saturday Bracket (Blue)
3d New England 2029 Red
***Annapolis Hawks 2029 Green
Igloo 2029 Alpine Drift
Leading Edge 2029
LI Express Moran 2029
Mad Dog National 2029 Black
Mooselax 2029 Orange
West Coast Starz 2029 Gold
Saturday Bracket (Red)
BBL Black 2029
BBL Shore 2029
Express NORTH 2029 Black
Legacy Predators 2029
Sweetlax Florida 2029
Sweetlax Upstate 2029
Thunder 2029 Blue
***True Chesapeake Black 2029
Where’s ML for NAL? They really playing B tournaments all fall?
They are in the Sunday bracket with FCA.
Madlax
West Coast Stars
Sweetlax Upstate
Dukes Elite
FCA MD
Mad Dog National
Prime Time
Sweetlax Fla
Thunder
Brotherly Love
Pretty good competition for Madlax I'd say............
Saturday Bracket (Blue)
3d New England 2029 Red
***Annapolis Hawks 2029 Green
Igloo 2029 Alpine Drift
Leading Edge 2029
LI Express Moran 2029
Mad Dog National 2029 Black
Mooselax 2029 Orange
West Coast Starz 2029 Gold
Saturday Bracket (Red)
BBL Black 2029
BBL Shore 2029
Express NORTH 2029 Black
Legacy Predators 2029
Sweetlax Florida 2029
Sweetlax Upstate 2029
Thunder 2029 Blue
***True Chesapeake Black 2029
How will a champion be decided, will Saturday teams have to come back for Sunday?
Didn't get to see there 4th game, but Team 91 Maryland looked much improved going 3-0 at the Jack-)-Lantern Classic with a 4th game to play. Had 3-4 players that were huge in size.
Good for them! Nice to get a few wins under their belt before getting grinded into a fine paste during HOCO because they refuse to move out of the Elite division. It still baffles me they put those kids through this every year.
You get better by playing better competition. Regardless of the outcome you have to respect a team or isnt ducking competition
Not sure kids learn much getting beat 16-0 or 15-3. Playing at the right level of competition teaches them more.
Coach here. Players...especially youth players...learn the most at high stress, high engagement, with the occasional dopamine hit. Whats a good metric for that?
A good club coach and director are laser focused on it....a PF-PA of close to zero. There are teams who are up 30+ goals and down 30+ goals this fall. Neither group of kids are improving. The team who's scored 35 and given up 39 is learning much faster.
91 Youth Teams have been getting pasted in HOCO. Generally ending with a 10/80 GF/GA ratio. I know multiple kids that have left the team because losing by those margins is taking all the fun out of the sport.
"Making kids detest lacrosse forever" isn't unique to 91, but the mechanism that causes it (losing most games through 8th grade by 10-15 points because director refuses to play lower)) seems unique to 91.
Where’s ML for NAL? They really playing B tournaments all fall?
They are in the Sunday bracket with FCA.
Madlax
West Coast Stars
Sweetlax Upstate
Dukes Elite
FCA MD
Mad Dog National
Prime Time
Sweetlax Fla
Thunder
Brotherly Love
Pretty good competition for Madlax I'd say............
Saturday Bracket (Blue)
3d New England 2029 Red
***Annapolis Hawks 2029 Green
Igloo 2029 Alpine Drift
Leading Edge 2029
LI Express Moran 2029
Mad Dog National 2029 Black
Mooselax 2029 Orange
West Coast Starz 2029 Gold
Saturday Bracket (Red)
BBL Black 2029
BBL Shore 2029
Express NORTH 2029 Black
Legacy Predators 2029
Sweetlax Florida 2029
Sweetlax Upstate 2029
Thunder 2029 Blue
***True Chesapeake Black 2029
How will a champion be decided, will Saturday teams have to come back for Sunday?
It's just two separate one day tournaments.
I am of the belief that these fall tournaments really shouldn't count for much. Kind of like fall ball in college. Teams change so much with players, coaches, maturity. It's a good baseline for the spring and where to start. Should these games/tournaments even count for rankings purposes? Any thoughts. Looking for good conversation, not team bashing.
Unfortunately they will count! You know the certain teams will enter weak tournaments and run up the score to establish their top ranking, while the top teams play each other in low scoring games.
I noticed that last year. Its a little deceptive thinking your playing a team for the first time who might be a power and suddenly its the opposite. I am guessing that this is how these clubs recruit. Using the national rankings as "marketing". No need for the really good teams to worry about rankings they just beat wh ever comes their way.
Am I not correct in thinking that the way the formula works that a close loss to a top 15 team has more value in rankings than beating a team ranked in the 200’s by 10 or more goals.
Am I not correct in thinking that the way the formula works that a close loss to a top 15 team has more value in rankings than beating a team ranked in the 200’s by 10 or more goals.
Looking at last year's rankings - a tie against the 20th ranked team would be worth about the same as beating the 190th ranked team by 10. There are definitely mid level teams that play down in competition and run up the score to end up with a questionably high ranking.
If I controlled the rankings I would lower the maximum goal differential limit to 5 or 6 to make them more accurate and reduce the reward for running up the score.
Am I not correct in thinking that the way the formula works that a close loss to a top 15 team has more value in rankings than beating a team ranked in the 200’s by 10 or more goals.
Yes...this question and the "club marketing" response above really answer the question of "Why does 91 let their youth teams get torched?" Because they can go 3-16 in 8th grade and still be ranked in the top 75, because they lost to good teams (teams they had no business playing).
Am I not correct in thinking that the way the formula works that a close loss to a top 15 team has more value in rankings than beating a team ranked in the 200’s by 10 or more goals.
Looking at last year's rankings - a tie against the 20th ranked team would be worth about the same as beating the 190th ranked team by 10. There are definitely mid level teams that play down in competition and run up the score to end up with a questionably high ranking.
If I controlled the rankings I would lower the maximum goal differential limit to 5 or 6 to make them more accurate and reduce the reward for running up the score.
This isn't how the ranking algorithms work at all. It's the same concept as used in basketball or football. There is a math tab on the rankings which explains. If the #3 team plays the number #120 team - the rankings have a number that show how much #3 is expected to win by. IF they are supposed to win by 10, and "only" win by 8, their ranking points goes down. IF they win by 12, their points go up. The "tie against the 20th ranked team would be worth about the same as beating the 190th ranked team by 10" is not how it works. At all.
Here's the link to the explanation page:
https://www.USCL.com/faq
This is exactly how the ranking algorithm works. The points a team earns for a game is the "Rating" of the opponent +/- the goal differential in the game. In the example provided, the #20 team ended up with a Rating of 94.82 and the #190 team ended up with a Rating of 84.87. If team C ties the team with a Rating of 94.82 then team C earns 94.82 "Points" for the game. If team C beats the 84.87 team by 10 they earn 94.87 (84.87 + 10) Points for the game. So those results are roughly equivalent for team C's rankings.
Listen.....my opinion is that here in Maryland rankings don't really matter. Kids care because they can't think straight through social media addiction. Parents just want to gossip and talk about it.
But......just like with High School lacrosse......no one cares about National Rankings.....all that matters is the MIAA Championship. If you asked the top club teams in this area, they would gladly prioritize winning the HOCO Elite Championship over any tournament victory or club ranking.
Parents and players getting [Censored] into Club Rankings which have no legitimacy and are ultimately for their monetary benefit and stir. Are we going to rank Red Hots National and Club Nationals as the top two 2029 teams in the country now?? Why?? They shouldn't even be ranked because the events they participate in don't adhere to age verification like everyone else is supposed to be aligning to. How can you fairly rank those??
It's all bologna and we the parents are getting hood winked and more addicted to it. Are coaches try to remind us of this constantly.
GREAT comment! There is no pot of gold at the end of the rankings rainbow.
Listen.....my opinion is that here in Maryland rankings don't really matter. Kids care because they can't think straight through social media addiction. Parents just want to gossip and talk about it.
But......just like with High School lacrosse......no one cares about National Rankings.....all that matters is the MIAA Championship. If you asked the top club teams in this area, they would gladly prioritize winning the HOCO Elite Championship over any tournament victory or club ranking.
Parents and players getting [Censored] into Club Rankings which have no legitimacy and are ultimately for their monetary benefit and stir. Are we going to rank Red Hots National and Club Nationals as the top two 2029 teams in the country now?? Why?? They shouldn't even be ranked because the events they participate in don't adhere to age verification like everyone else is supposed to be aligning to. How can you fairly rank those??
It's all bologna and we the parents are getting hood winked and more addicted to it. Are coaches try to remind us of this constantly.
I mostly agree but it is nice having some kind of ranking system to give you an idea of the level of competition you face when you're at a tournament or looking for a new team that is a better fit for your kid's level of play. It also helps coaches/directors make sure their teams are placed in the right brackets. Worrying about a team that gets ranked higher than yours is a total waste of time though. It's meant to be an estimation.
Listen.....my opinion is that here in Maryland rankings don't really matter. Kids care because they can't think straight through social media addiction. Parents just want to gossip and talk about it.
But......just like with High School lacrosse......no one cares about National Rankings.....all that matters is the MIAA Championship. If you asked the top club teams in this area, they would gladly prioritize winning the HOCO Elite Championship over any tournament victory or club ranking.
Parents and players getting [Censored] into Club Rankings which have no legitimacy and are ultimately for their monetary benefit and stir. Are we going to rank Red Hots National and Club Nationals as the top two 2029 teams in the country now?? Why?? They shouldn't even be ranked because the events they participate in don't adhere to age verification like everyone else is supposed to be aligning to. How can you fairly rank those??
It's all bologna and we the parents are getting hood winked and more addicted to it. Are coaches try to remind us of this constantly.
I mostly agree but it is nice having some kind of ranking system to give you an idea of the level of competition you face when you're at a tournament or looking for a new team that is a better fit for your kid's level of play. It also helps coaches/directors make sure their teams are placed in the right brackets. Worrying about a team that gets ranked higher than yours is a total waste of time though. It's meant to be an estimation.
This!
Listen.....my opinion is that here in Maryland rankings don't really matter. Kids care because they can't think straight through social media addiction. Parents just want to gossip and talk about it.
But......just like with High School lacrosse......no one cares about National Rankings.....all that matters is the MIAA Championship. If you asked the top club teams in this area, they would gladly prioritize winning the HOCO Elite Championship over any tournament victory or club ranking.
Parents and players getting [Censored] into Club Rankings which have no legitimacy and are ultimately for their monetary benefit and stir. Are we going to rank Red Hots National and Club Nationals as the top two 2029 teams in the country now?? Why?? They shouldn't even be ranked because the events they participate in don't adhere to age verification like everyone else is supposed to be aligning to. How can you fairly rank those??
It's all bologna and we the parents are getting hood winked and more addicted to it. Are coaches try to remind us of this constantly.
My opinion is there are plenty of kids that reclass to attend an MIAA school. Yet somehow you get your panties in a bunch over the kids that reclass before yours does. First world problems of MD lacrosse.
Listen.....my opinion is that here in Maryland rankings don't really matter. Kids care because they can't think straight through social media addiction. Parents just want to gossip and talk about it.
But......just like with High School lacrosse......no one cares about National Rankings.....all that matters is the MIAA Championship. If you asked the top club teams in this area, they would gladly prioritize winning the HOCO Elite Championship over any tournament victory or club ranking.
Parents and players getting [Censored] into Club Rankings which have no legitimacy and are ultimately for their monetary benefit and stir. Are we going to rank Red Hots National and Club Nationals as the top two 2029 teams in the country now?? Why?? They shouldn't even be ranked because the events they participate in don't adhere to age verification like everyone else is supposed to be aligning to. How can you fairly rank those??
It's all bologna and we the parents are getting hood winked and more addicted to it. Are coaches try to remind us of this constantly.
I mostly agree but it is nice having some kind of ranking system to give you an idea of the level of competition you face when you're at a tournament or looking for a new team that is a better fit for your kid's level of play. It also helps coaches/directors make sure their teams are placed in the right brackets. Worrying about a team that gets ranked higher than yours is a total waste of time though. It's meant to be an estimation.
This!
It’s just an algorithm based on score from the Tourney app. It becomes relatively accurate during the Summer, with more data to process. Some coaches can get cute by changing their team name (ML 2028) but most don’t.
Listen.....my opinion is that here in Maryland rankings don't really matter. Kids care because they can't think straight through social media addiction. Parents just want to gossip and talk about it.
But......just like with High School lacrosse......no one cares about National Rankings.....all that matters is the MIAA Championship. If you asked the top club teams in this area, they would gladly prioritize winning the HOCO Elite Championship over any tournament victory or club ranking.
Parents and players getting [Censored] into Club Rankings which have no legitimacy and are ultimately for their monetary benefit and stir. Are we going to rank Red Hots National and Club Nationals as the top two 2029 teams in the country now?? Why?? They shouldn't even be ranked because the events they participate in don't adhere to age verification like everyone else is supposed to be aligning to. How can you fairly rank those??
It's all bologna and we the parents are getting hood winked and more addicted to it. Are coaches try to remind us of this constantly.
I mostly agree but it is nice having some kind of ranking system to give you an idea of the level of competition you face when you're at a tournament or looking for a new team that is a better fit for your kid's level of play. It also helps coaches/directors make sure their teams are placed in the right brackets. Worrying about a team that gets ranked higher than yours is a total waste of time though. It's meant to be an estimation.
This!
It’s just an algorithm based on score from the Tourney app. It becomes relatively accurate during the Summer, with more data to process. Some coaches can get cute by changing their team name (ML 2028) but most don’t.
Whaaaaat? You mean "2028 DC Monuments Winter 22-23" is not a legitimate stand-alone club roster? Heresy!
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at the NAL event on Saturday with True Chesapeake. The biggest difference I saw was the size and athleticism of some of these 7th graders, especially on the state wide and national teams. Age Verification has ruled out holdbacks at the 2029 level, so not complaining, just was incredible to see the size, speed and strength of some of these kids. I guess if someone put together a state-wide Maryland team you’d be able to have the same thing.
Great tournament thought with a lot of talented teams. 3d New England was very good and it was the first time I saw someone really take it to the Hawks.
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at the NAL event on Saturday with True Chesapeake. The biggest difference I saw was the size and athleticism of some of these 7th graders, especially on the state wide and national teams. Age Verification has ruled out holdbacks at the 2029 level, so not complaining, just was incredible to see the size, speed and strength of some of these kids. I guess if someone put together a state-wide Maryland team you’d be able to have the same thing.
Great tournament thought with a lot of talented teams. 3d New England was very good and it was the first time I saw someone really take it to the Hawks.
I watched Hawks vs 3d game assuming it would be unofficial championship. The hawks got hawked, did they lose a bunch of players from last year?
Was this NAL event an age verified event? Those 3D and WCS teams had some very big boys.
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at the NAL event on Saturday with True Chesapeake. The biggest difference I saw was the size and athleticism of some of these 7th graders, especially on the state wide and national teams. Age Verification has ruled out holdbacks at the 2029 level, so not complaining, just was incredible to see the size, speed and strength of some of these kids. I guess if someone put together a state-wide Maryland team you’d be able to have the same thing.
Great tournament thought with a lot of talented teams. 3d New England was very good and it was the first time I saw someone really take it to the Hawks.
I watched Hawks vs 3d game assuming it would be unofficial championship. The hawks got hawked, did they lose a bunch of players from last year?
Off day for the Hawks Offense.
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at the NAL event on Saturday with True Chesapeake. The biggest difference I saw was the size and athleticism of some of these 7th graders, especially on the state wide and national teams. Age Verification has ruled out holdbacks at the 2029 level, so not complaining, just was incredible to see the size, speed and strength of some of these kids. I guess if someone put together a state-wide Maryland team you’d be able to have the same thing.
Great tournament thought with a lot of talented teams. 3d New England was very good and it was the first time I saw someone really take it to the Hawks.
I watched Hawks vs 3d game assuming it would be unofficial championship. The hawks got hawked, did they lose a bunch of players from last year?
Off day for the Hawks Offense.
It’s going to be a long year for them if they can’t make the simple passes. Was shocked at how many unforced errors they committed and lack of offensive threats. Wasn’t impressed with defense either. Supplemental tryouts this winter???
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at the NAL event on Saturday with True Chesapeake. The biggest difference I saw was the size and athleticism of some of these 7th graders, especially on the state wide and national teams. Age Verification has ruled out holdbacks at the 2029 level, so not complaining, just was incredible to see the size, speed and strength of some of these kids. I guess if someone put together a state-wide Maryland team you’d be able to have the same thing.
Great tournament thought with a lot of talented teams. 3d New England was very good and it was the first time I saw someone really take it to the Hawks.
I watched Hawks vs 3d game assuming it would be unofficial championship. The hawks got hawked, did they lose a bunch of players from last year?
Off day for the Hawks Offense.
It’s going to be a long year for them if they can’t make the simple passes. Was shocked at how many unforced errors they committed and lack of offensive threats. Wasn’t impressed with defense either. Supplemental tryouts this winter???
"Wasn't impressed with defense either???" They didn't allow more then 5 goals per game.i'll take that any day. Offense was Off for the one game and lost to the champs. All good. They will be just fine.
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at the NAL event on Saturday with True Chesapeake. The biggest difference I saw was the size and athleticism of some of these 7th graders, especially on the state wide and national teams. Age Verification has ruled out holdbacks at the 2029 level, so not complaining, just was incredible to see the size, speed and strength of some of these kids. I guess if someone put together a state-wide Maryland team you’d be able to have the same thing.
Great tournament thought with a lot of talented teams. 3d New England was very good and it was the first time I saw someone really take it to the Hawks.
I watched Hawks vs 3d game assuming it would be unofficial championship. The hawks got hawked, did they lose a bunch of players from last year?
Off day for the Hawks Offense.
It’s going to be a long year for them if they can’t make the simple passes. Was shocked at how many unforced errors they committed and lack of offensive threats. Wasn’t impressed with defense either. Supplemental tryouts this winter???
"Wasn't impressed with defense either???" They didn't allow more then 5 goals per game.i'll take that any day. Offense was Off for the one game and lost to the champs. All good. They will be just fine.
They lost 6-1 to 3d New England......
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at the NAL event on Saturday with True Chesapeake. The biggest difference I saw was the size and athleticism of some of these 7th graders, especially on the state wide and national teams. Age Verification has ruled out holdbacks at the 2029 level, so not complaining, just was incredible to see the size, speed and strength of some of these kids. I guess if someone put together a state-wide Maryland team you’d be able to have the same thing.
Great tournament thought with a lot of talented teams. 3d New England was very good and it was the first time I saw someone really take it to the Hawks.
I watched Hawks vs 3d game assuming it would be unofficial championship. The hawks got hawked, did they lose a bunch of players from last year?
Off day for the Hawks Offense.
It’s going to be a long year for them if they can’t make the simple passes. Was shocked at how many unforced errors they committed and lack of offensive threats. Wasn’t impressed with defense either. Supplemental tryouts this winter???
"Wasn't impressed with defense either???" They didn't allow more then 5 goals per game.i'll take that any day. Offense was Off for the one game and lost to the champs. All good. They will be just fine.
They lost 6-1 to 3d New England......
OK no more than 6 goals! Hahahaha!
Interesting to see the top HOCO Elite teams battling at NAL this past weekend.
Hawks lost
True Chesapeake lost
FCA lost
Madlax lost
Was at NAL on Sunday and saw Madlax and FCA play. Madlax looked tiny compared to the West Coast Starts team they were playing against. Didn't look to have any new players that were difference makers and same old offensive plays that we've all seen. FCA looked smaller as well in the two games I saw them play (Dukes / MadDog). They actually had the lead up 2-0 against eventual champion MadDog National heading into the 4th quarter, before falling 3-2.
Maybe they just grow them bigger out west or you are seeing the difference in size between a "National" team vs. more of a traditional more area based club team. My older son went through this before with the 2027's and every kid is growing at different rates now....but you see the difference in those kids who have hit puberty earlier.
Inside scoop, don’t tell anyone. The national teams recruit bigger and possibly older kids and put them on scholarships, the other 25 kids pay for them and watch them play. If you put your kid on a team that carries more then 25 kids with an open roster with no scholarship, what’s that say about you? Are you doing it for your son’s development or you buying them friends and an experience? I’ll wait
Inside scoop, don’t tell anyone. The national teams recruit bigger and possibly older kids and put them on scholarships, the other 25 kids pay for them and watch them play. If you put your kid on a team that carries more then 25 kids with an open roster with no scholarship, what’s that say about you? Are you doing it for your son’s development or you buying them friends and an experience? I’ll wait
Sounds like you just figured that out. Thanks for sharing.
They find the biggest, fastest, best kids from around the country, put them on a 50 man roster and play the top 15. It’s basically the middle school version of D1.
One could argue that those smaller Madlax and FCA kids competing against more mature kids will be better players when they mature.
One could argue that those smaller Madlax and FCA kids competing against more mature kids will be better players when they mature.
But they don’t, they come on here and complain about it.
One could argue that those smaller Madlax and FCA kids competing against more mature kids will be better players when they mature.
But they don’t, they come on here and complain about it.
Ha, spot on. That’s the ‘29 forum in a nutshell.
One could argue that those smaller Madlax and FCA kids competing against more mature kids will be better players when they mature.
But they don’t, they come on here and complain about it.
Isn’t this the truth!!
One could argue that those smaller Madlax and FCA kids competing against more mature kids will be better players when they mature.
But they don’t, they come on here and complain about it.
Of course FCA wouldn’t complain about it since they clearly seemed to embrace the Holdback philosophy last year.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
One of the top FCA Hold Backs is now on the Crabs B team. I guess it didn't really pan out.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
FCA lost two players to age verification… lefty attack and backup goalie.
They did not lose any midfield to age verification.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
That is correct the midfielder was a hit to the team.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Can someone also provide his SS #
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
That is correct the midfielder was a hit to the team.
Not diminishing the players who were cut/left the team but outside of the lefty attack, no one was critical to the on field success compared to new players on the roster.
The team has actually upgraded at Goal and at midfield. Defense is in transition but has the chance to be an improvement once new pieces gel.
Biggest issues IMO are A. some of the jumps in physical maturity amongst competing teams B. having to completely rework an offense with new pieces that are still being evaluated.
One of the top FCA Hold Backs is now on the Crabs B team. I guess it didn't really pan out.
Crabs A 2028
FCA 2029
Crabs B 2028
Yeah that seems like the wrong direction.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
He was one of the bigger 2028s...remember the real cutoff date was supposed to be Sept 1.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
He was one of the bigger 2028s...remember the real cutoff date was supposed to be Sept 1.
No argument. Sept 1st should have been the date.
But claiming FCA “embraced” holdbacks because one player of significance was 4 days older than the adopted cutoff is ludicrous.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
He was one of the bigger 2028s...remember the real cutoff date was supposed to be Sept 1.
No argument. Sept 1st should have been the date.
But claiming FCA “embraced” holdbacks because one player of significance was 4 days older than the adopted cutoff is ludicrous.
Whats Ludicrous is that you are defending being a May birthday while majority of boys who play sports in this country's earliest Birthday is Sept1 thru Dec1, and majority are much latter. But lets defend being a holdback and getting to play down and play against younger players, now that Ludicrous!
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
He was one of the bigger 2028s...remember the real cutoff date was supposed to be Sept 1.
No argument. Sept 1st should have been the date.
But claiming FCA “embraced” holdbacks because one player of significance was 4 days older than the adopted cutoff is ludicrous.
Whats Ludicrous is that you are defending being a May birthday while majority of boys who play sports in this country's earliest Birthday is Sept1 thru Dec1, and majority are much latter. But lets defend being a holdback and getting to play down and play against younger players, now that Ludicrous!
Hey skippy... might need to refresh your reading comprehension skills... "No argument. Sept 1st should have been the date." is a pretty clear indicator that I support a normal school year cutoff. I pointed out the gross exaggeration by the previous commenter that FCA "Embraced the holdback model" last year.
That's clearly not the case. Moreover, I don't know any Elite level clubs in maryland that would refuse to roster a kid because his parents made the decision to hold him back. HOCO, US Lacrosse and NLF largely determine eligibility. If a kid meets that eligibility and he's good, he's gonna make the club. Yes, a few clubs like True and Crabs openly push kids to reclass. I can assure you, FCA is not one of those clubs.
You and I may not agree with June 1 but we don't make the rules.
Isn’t all this a mite point for 29 and after. So why still talk about it.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
He was one of the bigger 2028s...remember the real cutoff date was supposed to be Sept 1.
No argument. Sept 1st should have been the date.
But claiming FCA “embraced” holdbacks because one player of significance was 4 days older than the adopted cutoff is ludicrous.
Whats Ludicrous is that you are defending being a May birthday while majority of boys who play sports in this country's earliest Birthday is Sept1 thru Dec1, and majority are much latter. But lets defend being a holdback and getting to play down and play against younger players, now that Ludicrous!
Hey skippy... might need to refresh your reading comprehension skills... "No argument. Sept 1st should have been the date." is a pretty clear indicator that I support a normal school year cutoff. I pointed out the gross exaggeration by the previous commenter that FCA "Embraced the holdback model" last year.
That's clearly not the case. Moreover, I don't know any Elite level clubs in maryland that would refuse to roster a kid because his parents made the decision to hold him back. HOCO, US Lacrosse and NLF largely determine eligibility. If a kid meets that eligibility and he's good, he's gonna make the club. Yes, a few clubs like True and Crabs openly push kids to reclass. I can assure you, FCA is not one of those clubs.
You and I may not agree with June 1 but we don't make the rules.
Most holdback apologists say just that, " I agree ,should be on age and Sept 1 ", of course followed by, I dont make the rules , just go by them. Having a May birthday is playing down and using the system at youth level that is ludicrous as you say. But, it is within the rules.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
Really? Surprising because I thought he played in an indoor team for ‘08 and ‘09s.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
Really? Surprising because I thought he played in an indoor team for ‘08 and ‘09s.
Yes. He made the U16 US Box team as a 13 year old.
FCA’s top 2 players/holdbacks from last summer (middie and left attack who both towered above the other kids) weren’t at NAL last weekend. Totally different team. Same great goalie play (and obnoxious dad) though.
Just for the record........FCA 2029 lost 2 players to the new Age Verification from last summer. Lefty attackman and goalie. The lefty attackman is playing on the Crabs 2028 B Team. The goalie is taking some time off from lacrosse.
There was no midfielder or any other positions lost.
Was the lefty attack an '09 birth year? or did he just miss the cutoff for '10?
Missed cutoff by 4 days. May 27th birthday.
Really? Surprising because I thought he played in an indoor team for ‘08 and ‘09s.
Yes. He made the U16 US Box team as a 13 year old.
Impressive. Though I suppose his size was on par or bigger than many of those kids.
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
They have not played in a single tournament with the new age verified rules this fall. All others in the top 10 have.
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
They have to recruit for the World Series because they have at least 2 kids who are holdbacks. One of the kids played for Brotherly Love 2028 and was 13 in April of this year (My kid knows some of the boys on the team).
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
They have to recruit for the World Series because they have at least 2 kids who are holdbacks. One of the kids played for Brotherly Love 2028 and was 13 in April of this year (My kid knows some of the boys on the team).
What does second circus event have to do with anything? All national teams, correct?
Futures is a sister to the nationals team, same director for the 2 clubs. Some are on age, some are not. Like every other team out there, just deal with it or start calling out the players during the game. Hopefully you upset their parents and create some in person sideline drama.
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
They have to recruit for the World Series because they have at least 2 kids who are holdbacks. One of the kids played for Brotherly Love 2028 and was 13 in April of this year (My kid knows some of the boys on the team).
What does second circus event have to do with anything? All national teams, correct?
Futures is a sister to the nationals team, same director for the 2 clubs. Some are on age, some are not. Like every other team out there, just deal with it or start calling out the players during the game. Hopefully you upset their parents and create some in person sideline drama.
Not sure if that's right. I thought they all were "on age" for NLF purposes (June 1 cut off). Now that may not mean they can do the World Series which has a Sept 1 cut off.
How many kids on the Hawks drove to the games? Cheaters!
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
They have to recruit for the World Series because they have at least 2 kids who are holdbacks. One of the kids played for Brotherly Love 2028 and was 13 in April of this year (My kid knows some of the boys on the team).
What does second circus event have to do with anything? All national teams, correct?
Futures is a sister to the nationals team, same director for the 2 clubs. Some are on age, some are not. Like every other team out there, just deal with it or start calling out the players during the game. Hopefully you upset their parents and create some in person sideline drama.
The circuit offer age exemptions for all the teams. Not playing under the new age verification rules. See Red Hots and Nationals LC 100 person rosters...
Stop trying to stir the pot with this nonsense. The whining about holdbacks is already exhausting and doesn’t need your help.
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
They have to recruit for the World Series because they have at least 2 kids who are holdbacks. One of the kids played for Brotherly Love 2028 and was 13 in April of this year (My kid knows some of the boys on the team).
What does second circus event have to do with anything? All national teams, correct?
Futures is a sister to the nationals team, same director for the 2 clubs. Some are on age, some are not. Like every other team out there, just deal with it or start calling out the players during the game. Hopefully you upset their parents and create some in person sideline drama.
The circuit offer age exemptions for all the teams. Not playing under the new age verification rules. See Red Hots and Nationals LC 100 person rosters...
Those 2 clubs should not be allowed any where. Easiest way to stop what they do is to ban them from events.
And here we have it our first official "BS" rankings of the year................Nice to see several MD 2029 teams represented in the top 75:
#6 - True Chesapeake
#9 - Madlax
#12 - Next Level
#13 - Hawks
#21 - FCA
#47 - HOCO
#49 - Predators
#55 - MADLAX DMV
#57 - Baltimore Swarm
#60 - VLC
#64 - Hawks Black
#72 - Team 91 MD
I guess you have to play in 6 games to be ranked so no True Baltimore, Crabs, LTLC
Other than Fusion Futures PA everyone currently in the top 10 complied with the new age verification rules. That will change once the 2nd tournament of the circuit gets recorded.
Why do you say that about Futures?
They have to recruit for the World Series because they have at least 2 kids who are holdbacks. One of the kids played for Brotherly Love 2028 and was 13 in April of this year (My kid knows some of the boys on the team).
What does second circus event have to do with anything? All national teams, correct?
Futures is a sister to the nationals team, same director for the 2 clubs. Some are on age, some are not. Like every other team out there, just deal with it or start calling out the players during the game. Hopefully you upset their parents and create some in person sideline drama.
Not sure if that's right. I thought they all were "on age" for NLF purposes (June 1 cut off). Now that may not mean they can do the World Series which has a Sept 1 cut off.
Not all teams play NLF.
Futures also pulls kids from other clubs as guest players. It’s more of a regional/national team than a local club.
I'm sure some Maryland players are participating in the 2024 WSYL, but are any specific teams from MD being formed?
Would love to see MD represented one day.
Lol. You won’t see MD kids represented at the WSYL because they are all holdbacks. detest to oversimplify it, but facts are facts
Lol. You won’t see MD kids represented at the WSYL because they are all holdbacks. detest to oversimplify it, but facts are facts
That is a ridiculous statement, the reason most don’t participate is that it directly conflicts with the Spring league that they participate in, but if your position makes you feel better than so be it.
I'm sure some Maryland players are participating in the 2024 WSYL, but are any specific teams from MD being formed?
Would love to see MD represented one day.
WSYL's qualifier is the same weekend as the start of HOCO Spring League. I doubt any elite teams will forfeit a hoco game to participate.
I'm sure some Maryland players are participating in the 2024 WSYL, but are any specific teams from MD being formed?
Would love to see MD represented one day.
WSYL's qualifier is the same weekend as the start of HOCO Spring League. I doubt any elite teams will forfeit a hoco game to participate.
First, there are no grounds to "ban" the from events. They comply with the event rules.
Second, even if you banned them, they could simply reconstitute under a different name.
I'm sure some Maryland players are participating in the 2024 WSYL, but are any specific teams from MD being formed?
Would love to see MD represented one day.
WSYL's qualifier is the same weekend as the start of HOCO Spring League. I doubt any elite teams will forfeit a hoco game to participate.
First, there are no grounds to "ban" the from events. They comply with the event rules.
Second, even if you banned them, they could simply reconstitute under a different name.
HOCO in the past has accommodated Elite teams so they can attend the qualifier. That's not an excuse.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Having a HOCO team represent/win would be great for the league. I know for a fact they (the league) are willing to flex weekend(s).
Reality is reality. Too many kids from MD wouldn’t qualify. The ones that did? Lolol…they ain’t good
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Having a HOCO team represent/win would be great for the league. I know for a fact they (the league) are willing to flex weekend(s).
Reality is reality. Too many kids from MD wouldn’t qualify. The ones that did? Lolol…they ain’t good
Sorry, but if you placed all the top on age kids within 100 miles of HOCO on the same team it would be lights out! Never happen though.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Having a HOCO team represent/win would be great for the league. I know for a fact they (the league) are willing to flex weekend(s).
Reality is reality. Too many kids from MD wouldn’t qualify. The ones that did? Lolol…they ain’t good
The reality is the better players in MD are holdbacks/prefirst/reclass or whatever you want to call them. I cant understand why this is such a torment for people from MD .
If you want to be the best, you play in the MIAA, The MIAA is a holdback league , there is no doubt about that. Dont understand the excuses.
Not to be captain obvious, but if any of the HOCO teams cared about WS, they would figure out a way to do it.
Never happen because there wouldn’t be enough kids on age 😂😂😂
Who cares about WS. You are absolutely right any elite me team that wants to play in it would do it. WS means nothing to most. #reallygoodmarketing #hybridteams
I can’t speak to other age groups but there are a ton of NLF age complaint 2029’s in Maryland that are some of the best players in the nation.
Consider that only a handful of kids were displaced from elite hoco teams due to age verification. That means the vast majority of these teams are on age.
I can’t speak to other age groups but there are a ton of NLF age complaint 2029’s in Maryland that are some of the best players in the nation.
Consider that only a handful of kids were displaced from elite hoco teams due to age verification. That means the vast majority of these teams are on age.
Not so fast Skippy, The age verification rules are not as stringent as WS rules, there would undoubtedly be more than a small handful at that point.
Stop defending the obvious and embrace it MD parents! If you believe recessing provides an advantage, good for you. Make the decision and live with it. If you are one of the few that didn’t make the decision, just know most of your son’s teammates did so standing on your soap-box doesn’t resonate. Facts are facts
I just read something regarding age verification and holdbacks. Not an exact quote. No one would ever hold back a student to get an academic advantage. Actually it's the reverse, students. are pushed to be in advanced classes, higher more challenging learning, and even for those that are gifted place them up a grade. This a true advantage. However, in sports when a player is held back, it is not for their ability to be advanced and challenged but rather for an advantage based on their age and physical growth in order to achieve a goal through playing at a less challenging level. In academic terms its like a 9th grader taking 6th grade math for no other reason than the grade they are in (not because of academic difficulties). Just a thought.
The interesting this is that the non hotbeds have just about equaled the northeast in frequency of holdbacks. Teams from GA, CA, TX etc are just as loaded with reclasses as 2way or Crabs.
I just read something regarding age verification and holdbacks. Not an exact quote. No one would ever hold back a student to get an academic advantage. Actually it's the reverse, students. are pushed to be in advanced classes, higher more challenging learning, and even for those that are gifted place them up a grade. This a true advantage. However, in sports when a player is held back, it is not for their ability to be advanced and challenged but rather for an advantage based on their age and physical growth in order to achieve a goal through playing at a less challenging level. In academic terms its like a 9th grader taking 6th grade math for no other reason than the grade they are in (not because of academic difficulties). Just a thought.
Nice analogy, and very good way to look at this completely out of control thing in the lacrosse world. Saying that, nothing will change as the private schools ( the ones that scream character education) encourage it , all in the name of education. Which is hilarious, as anywhere else, the brightest kids are pushed ahead.
Kids learn better by being pushed? Someone watched too much Doogie Howser, M.D. growing up.
Kids aren't robots, they're all different. Who are you to say what age is appropriate any more than the government. Let schools and parents decide.
The egos on this site are something else.
Why is the hawks playing zone now?
Kids learn better by being pushed? Someone watched too much Doogie Howser, M.D. growing up.
Kids aren't robots, they're all different. Who are you to say what age is appropriate any more than the government. Let schools and parents decide.
The egos on this site are something else.
90% of the holdbacks have parents who played lower level D1 or D3, knowing the holdback extra advantage will get them to higher level D1.
Kids learn better by being pushed? Someone watched too much Doogie Howser, M.D. growing up.
Kids aren't robots, they're all different. Who are you to say what age is appropriate any more than the government. Let schools and parents decide.
The egos on this site are something else.
No the point was that the idea of "hold backs" for sports is the antithesis of how most parents view academics which is they want their kids to be ahead of what grade level they are in (ie. a kid in seventh grade taking math that is for ninth graders) and most parents are pushing their kids in higher level academic classes that are above their age/grade level.
It's a bizarre practice to hold kids back to compete against younger kids-most parents would not want their seventh grader sitting in a sixth grade level math class but maybe since you are so dense you would want your kid in that class. But here we are....
So you are saying let parents decide. Parent - "He Honey let's have little Jonnie take kindergarten again so when he plays pockets lacrosse he is the best. And when he gets to sixth grade lets have him repeat it so he can be "the best player on the field" so he can get one of the 12 lacrosse scholarships on a college team! It's a win win win for us!"
I think the poster is saying to push students to the best of their ability. As a parent you should know where that line is. And yes it is different for everyone. However lowering the kids ability threshold, for the sake of an advantage in a game is detrimental to the kids future.
"Kids aren't robots, they're all different. Who are you to say what age is appropriate any more than the government. Let schools and parents decide." Yes correct on the statement kids aren't robots and letting parents decide is great. Schools should focus on academic achievement rather than sports successes. So if a student is held back for academics it's great for the student. How does academic hold back affect play on the field. It really doesn't unless there is diagnosed cognitve and developmental disabilities which affects perception, attention, memory, decision-making, and reaction time.
But let's be honest, the pipe dream of scholarship and athletic glory is in the back of all our minds.
Yes, kids need to be pushed; especially the youth of America today. Kids are soft and it’s because of parents like you. The second a child faces adversity, you decide to hold him back and find success? Awful
Do you let your son decide how hard he wants to work? Part of parenting is putting your child in challenging environments so they are prepared for life. Giving them the easy way out teaches nothing. You learn more from losing than you do winning, that’s a basic fact
You should be embarrassed bro.
Never happen because there wouldn’t be enough kids on age 😂😂😂
Don’t be silly. You make it sound like there are no talented on age kids.
I am convinced the hold back complainers are parents of:
A) a kid who made, but is not getting time on an elite team
B) a kid who is on a B team and you think they should be on A
C) a kid who is just not there yet, but you think he should be on a better team
I get it. Been there, done that. Your kid is going to be as good as their talent and work will take them. Our job as parents is to provide opportunities, support and pay. Blaming the system and hold backs is a cop out. It’s only going to get harder as they get older. The kids riding the bench on D1 - D3 teams are still some of the top players in the country.
Why are parents bent out of shape over holdbacks?
There is still a solution for those parents who won't do it.
Let your kid take a post grad year at Hill or IMG and get looks. Gets them a year older and bigger for college.
Problem solved.
Never happen because there wouldn’t be enough kids on age 😂😂😂
Don’t be silly. You make it sound like there are no talented on age kids.
I am convinced the hold back complainers are parents of:
A) a kid who made, but is not getting time on an elite team
B) a kid who is on a B team and you think they should be on A
C) a kid who is just not there yet, but you think he should be on a better team
I get it. Been there, done that. Your kid is going to be as good as their talent and work will take them. Our job as parents is to provide opportunities, support and pay. Blaming the system and hold backs is a cop out. It’s only going to get harder as they get older. The kids riding the bench on D1 - D3 teams are still some of the top players in the country.
Thank you. This right here is the answer.
Being concerned that someone held their kid back in kindergarten for sports glory is embarrassing. Nobody is doing that, and even if they are who cares. These are children playing a game. Funny someone gave the other poster a hard time for being soft all the while complaining about wins and losses of a middle school sport. Get a clue "bro."
Never happen because there wouldn’t be enough kids on age 😂😂😂
Don’t be silly. You make it sound like there are no talented on age kids.
I am convinced the hold back complainers are parents of:
A) a kid who made, but is not getting time on an elite team
B) a kid who is on a B team and you think they should be on A
C) a kid who is just not there yet, but you think he should be on a better team
I get it. Been there, done that. Your kid is going to be as good as their talent and work will take them. Our job as parents is to provide opportunities, support and pay. Blaming the system and hold backs is a cop out. It’s only going to get harder as they get older. The kids riding the bench on D1 - D3 teams are still some of the top players in the country.
Nailed it...
You miss the point; we get it, holdbacks are a part of life, a part of the sport. My son has two on his team, it’s life.
But admit you do it for sports and sports only. Admit you do it so you can look better in front of your friends. Admit you didn’t because your son isn’t good enough.
When you decide to be honest, well let it go…I’ll wait
Is anyone upset that parents made a decision to "hold back" a kid in kindergarten? I've never seen this -- or met anyone upset at this. This is completely understandable.
The holdback frustration comes from the parents holding back their 3rd line middie in 7th or 8th grade so that they can move up to the 2nd or 1st line at a younger age group by playing agaisnt smaller, less developed kids. This happens frequently. In Maryland and outside Maryland. I know ALOT of people defend this - but I personally don't understand it.
Is this thread equating the two? I know the current rules don't differentiate. But its a false argument to say people are upset at the kindergarten holdbacks. They are not. Or at least I've never met one that is.
Kids learn better by being pushed? Someone watched too much Doogie Howser, M.D. growing up.
Kids aren't robots, they're all different. Who are you to say what age is appropriate any more than the government. Let schools and parents decide.
The egos on this site are something else.
No the point was that the idea of "hold backs" for sports is the antithesis of how most parents view academics which is they want their kids to be ahead of what grade level they are in (ie. a kid in seventh grade taking math that is for ninth graders) and most parents are pushing their kids in higher level academic classes that are above their age/grade level.
It's a bizarre practice to hold kids back to compete against younger kids-most parents would not want their seventh grader sitting in a sixth grade level math class but maybe since you are so dense you would want your kid in that class. But here we are....
Great analogy. Had not considered that viewpoint but I agree. Kid will likely develop much faster playing UP.
You miss the point; we get it, holdbacks are a part of life, a part of the sport. My son has two on his team, it’s life.
But admit you do it for sports and sports only. Admit you do it so you can look better in front of your friends. Admit you didn’t because your son isn’t good enough.
When you decide to be honest, well let it go…I’ll wait
I don’t even have a hold back and this is possibly the most ridiculous thing I have seen. Admit? Admit and we’ll let it go? Who is we? Maybe worry less about what other people do and move on from this tired troupe.
Is anyone upset that parents made a decision to "hold back" a kid in kindergarten? I've never seen this -- or met anyone upset at this. This is completely understandable.
The holdback frustration comes from the parents holding back their 3rd line middie in 7th or 8th grade so that they can move up to the 2nd or 1st line at a younger age group by playing agaisnt smaller, less developed kids. This happens frequently. In Maryland and outside Maryland. I know ALOT of people defend this - but I personally don't understand it.
Is this thread equating the two? I know the current rules don't differentiate. But its a false argument to say people are upset at the kindergarten holdbacks. They are not. Or at least I've never met one that is.
I held back my son in kindergarten. there was a multitude of reasons for that, none of which had anything to do with sports. He was diagnosed with a severe learning disability and was not even on the growth chart from a percentage perspective (meaning his height and weight were very low for his age). We held him back so that he had more time adjust to these challenges and we are glad that we did for his own personal development.
He is now the oldest player on this team. he is also still the smallest player on his team. He is not the best player and he is not the worst player. We have no illusions. He has had to deal with more adversity in his young life than most of his peers. He is a holdback... but certainly not for sports reasons.
You miss the point; we get it, holdbacks are a part of life, a part of the sport. My son has two on his team, it’s life.
But admit you do it for sports and sports only. Admit you do it so you can look better in front of your friends. Admit you didn’t because your son isn’t good enough.
When you decide to be honest, well let it go…I’ll wait
Sounds like you've got it all figured out.
You should see the line at the hospitals in Maryland where they do the sports assessments at birth. It's a total racket.
Is anyone upset that parents made a decision to "hold back" a kid in kindergarten? I've never seen this -- or met anyone upset at this. This is completely understandable.
The holdback frustration comes from the parents holding back their 3rd line middie in 7th or 8th grade so that they can move up to the 2nd or 1st line at a younger age group by playing agaisnt smaller, less developed kids. This happens frequently. In Maryland and outside Maryland. I know ALOT of people defend this - but I personally don't understand it.
Is this thread equating the two? I know the current rules don't differentiate. But its a false argument to say people are upset at the kindergarten holdbacks. They are not. Or at least I've never met one that is.
Most dont care who and how many times you hold back your son, What business is it besides the parent.
What most do care about , is letting this child get an advantage others born on say exact day, that dont get in YOUTH SPORTS. Playing down against others in youth sports is wrong and everyone knows it.
In High School you get your holdback advantage and most deal with it, as there is a 4 year spread. But the quarter zip MIAA parents cant have that, they need their son beating up on younger children.
But the quarter zip MIAA parents cant have that, they need their son beating up on younger children.
Maybe the MIAA parents figure that allowing children to play with their friends and have fun takes priority over your ego.
Your reason for holding your kid back in kindergarten is absolutely fine, accepted, and a clear developmental reason. i applaud your decision because it can be a difficult for families. I think the point of the discussion is when parents use it as an advantage for sport or to gain an advantage. I think it occurs more in third grade to 8th grade.
Do coaches and schools really promote this holdback philosophy for sport? Just curious. Is it a bigger problem then it appears?
I hope your son has benefited from being held back, I really do. Is there anything wrong w/ being held back for school but playing lax on-age? Size doesn’t make a player; I’ve seen plenty of studs, in all sports, that are not big.
If you held your son back b/c of a learning disability, that shouldn’t impact which age group he plays sports against.
I hope your son has benefited from being held back, I really do. Is there anything wrong w/ being held back for school but playing lax on-age? Size doesn’t make a player; I’ve seen plenty of studs, in all sports, that are not big.
If you held your son back b/c of a learning disability, that shouldn’t impact which age group he plays sports against.
He really just wants to play with his friends and bond with his classmates through sports. He (and we) don’t have anything to prove to anybody. He plays with the kids in his class. Nothing more or less.
But the quarter zip MIAA parents cant have that, they need their son beating up on younger children.
Maybe the MIAA parents figure that allowing children to play with their friends and have fun takes priority over your ego.
No MIAA parents do it for the same reasons most holdback parents do, to give their son an advantage , either for academics or sports , thats their choice as a parent, which is fine, but doesnt give them or their child some special right to play down against other children in youth sports or make their ego soar.
And this is from a MIAA parent who has heard every thing a holdback parent could say about the "reason" .
And this is from a MIAA parent who has heard every thing a holdback parent could say about the "reason" .
As an MIAA parent, how do you handle your kid playing school sports against mixed grade competition? I think I'm going to make my son sit out games where they play younger mixed grade teams since that's really only fair. You do the same I guess? How does your son feel about it, does he still go to games to cheer for his school?
I hope your son has benefited from being held back, I really do. Is there anything wrong w/ being held back for school but playing lax on-age? Size doesn’t make a player; I’ve seen plenty of studs, in all sports, that are not big.
If you held your son back b/c of a learning disability, that shouldn’t impact which age group he plays sports against.
Do the girls forum complain this much? Tired of hearing about it. Give the parents and teams the credit they deserve. For every 100 holdbacks, 5-6 make a difference. If a TEAM can’t stop 1 or 2 players, they are not a good team. At this age just shut up and watch your kid play.
And this is from a MIAA parent who has heard every thing a holdback parent could say about the "reason" .
As an MIAA parent, how do you handle your kid playing school sports against mixed grade competition? I think I'm going to make my son sit out games where they play younger mixed grade teams since that's really only fair. You do the same I guess? How does your son feel about it, does he still go to games to cheer for his school?
Spoken like a MIAA holdback parent,,,Changing the goalposts to justify your holdback playing youth sports outside of school, Once again, It is your child, hold him back 5 times, it is your right,
Your lame " reason" , If I am so high and almighty, i should have my son sit when playing against older children at school. You sound like a real winner. My child deals with it as he is athletic and can compete, unlike many others who messed up by not holding their child back. it was odd when he went to birthdays in lower school and always asked me why are they so old.
FYI, Holdbacks werent allowed in lacrosse youth sports in Balt until about 10 years ago due to HOCO and its grade based league started and run by a MIAA holdback parent. His excuse, Recruiting was done at 8/9th grade and we needed to go grade. Of course , recruiting is now done in HS, but we still have the grade based league, LOL ... For some reason there was no need to have children play down for prior 50 years , what a thought, Not letting children play down against younger children. The horror of the holdbacks to not get an advantage and playdown with their schoolmates.
I hope your son has benefited from being held back, I really do. Is there anything wrong w/ being held back for school but playing lax on-age? Size doesn’t make a player; I’ve seen plenty of studs, in all sports, that are not big.
If you held your son back b/c of a learning disability, that shouldn’t impact which age group he plays sports against.
Do the girls forum complain this much? Tired of hearing about it. Give the parents and teams the credit they deserve. For every 100 holdbacks, 5-6 make a difference. If a TEAM can’t stop 1 or 2 players, they are not a good team. At this age just shut up and watch your kid play.
If you had a girl you would know, most are done maturing and growing by end of 8th grade. It is also on a lesser scale the amount, but growing.
If you think it isnt a big issue with boys, you need to look around. Most elite players from all over country are either held back now, or on the older birthday for on age . There are a very minimum of elite players on age born between May and August. Pretty sad they cant compete unless heldback.
The best rule change change would be to do away with grades in youth and put birthday for holdbacks like May , but let anyone play that is born on that date, not just holdbacks. That gives holdbacks a chance to play with schoolmates and anyone else that wants to. Seems fair .
But the quarter zip MIAA parents cant have that, they need their son beating up on younger children.
Maybe the MIAA parents figure that allowing children to play with their friends and have fun takes priority over your ego.
No MIAA parents do it for the same reasons most holdback parents do, to give their son an advantage , either for academics or sports , thats their choice as a parent, which is fine, but doesnt give them or their child some special right to play down against other children in youth sports or make their ego soar.
And this is from a MIAA parent who has heard every thing a holdback parent could say about the "reason" .
That is fine, but many holdbacks are very good athletes on age and super good if playing down a year. Not right for youth sports no matter how you justify it, schoolmates, grade, etc..
Are you suggesting girls are more emotional than boys? This forum should be tougher because it’s for boys?
If you’re tired of hearing/reading it, leave the site you clown.
Know this as fact - Your son is weak, little and untalented.
Wow attacking kids on the site."Know this as fact - Your son is weak, little and untalented." Real Mature. Leave the kids out of it. Celebrate their accomplishments and help make them better players and even better people. Comments like this translate into your kid copying you on the field and end up being known as that kid. SMH
For all you complaining about holdbacks, I have two words for you... Tyler Buchner.
Shot 100mph as an on-age 7th grader at WYSL in 2016. I know... I was therewith my (also) on-age 7th grader who didn't even weight 100lbs yet. The kid towered above just about everyone there.
Middle school is tough. There will always be kids who hit puberty well before (and well after) their peers. That's life, get over it. In 1-2 years it doesn't matter anyway. Your kid should control what HE can control.
Parent of a late-blooming on-age public school kid that's now junior in college playing on a good D3 team. He played against those holdbacks, even as a pre-pubescent all those years in middle school, and got better for it. I'm thankful he had that experience.
Should 2029s go to hs prospect days?
...to justify your holdback playing youth sports outside of school....
Oh so you have your own set of "goal posts" or is it "excuses."
How do you sleep at night knowing your kid is taking advantage of younger kids in school sports. Wow, I can't believe it. I thought you were one of the true heros out there. Turns out you are just like the rest of them, taking advantage of the system when it suits you.
Wow attacking kids on the site."Know this as fact - Your son is weak, little and untalented." Real Mature. Leave the kids out of it. Celebrate their accomplishments and help make them better players and even better people. Comments like this translate into your kid copying you on the field and end up being known as that kid. SMH
Kids being held back for sports goes back since private schools have been around. This is nothing new just deal with it and move on. Life is fair so stop the whining and crying
...to justify your holdback playing youth sports outside of school....
Oh so you have your own set of "goal posts" or is it "excuses."
How do you sleep at night knowing your kid is taking advantage of younger kids in school sports. Wow, I can't believe it. I thought you were one of the true heros out there. Turns out you are just like the rest of them, taking advantage of the system when it suits you.
I see reading comprehension was not your thing in school.
FIFY , How do you sleep at night knowing your kid is playing against older kids in school sports.
Are you suggesting girls are more emotional than boys? This forum should be tougher because it’s for boys?
If you’re tired of hearing/reading it, leave the site you clown.
Know this as fact - Your son is weak, little and untalented.
You’re the clown with statements like that about kids. I asked if the girls forums complain about holdbacks as much as you and your friends complain about the holdbacks? You understand now?
All the kids know each other at this point and know who is who. I don’t think they care as much as you. My son seeks out your holdback crybaby on the field, runs him over, makes him cry and then him and his teammates watch you console him with a lollipop. By the way, he is one of the youngest in the 29’ class and would be considered younger in the 30’ class. What do you call that? I’m sure he will be labeled a holdback next year by clowns like you making false ASSumptions.
Your son is not that good and that’s okay. He just wants to make you proud.
He hears you talking w the other dads, bragging. He’s just trying to make you happy. Can’t you see that?
Should 2029s go to hs prospect days?
If it’s free (they are) then sure.
What else is there to do on a random weeknight in Nov/Dec
...to justify your holdback playing youth sports outside of school....
Oh so you have your own set of "goal posts" or is it "excuses."
How do you sleep at night knowing your kid is taking advantage of younger kids in school sports. Wow, I can't believe it. I thought you were one of the true heros out there. Turns out you are just like the rest of them, taking advantage of the system when it suits you.
I see reading comprehension was not your thing in school.
FIFY , How do you sleep at night knowing your kid is playing against older kids in school sports.
I think you both are on to something. Why aren't we splitting kids up by birth-month so everyone is generally the same exact age.
I have an idea!!! Lets just play lacrosse. Everyone has sort of excuse or issue. Who cares just play lacrosse
That’s a greatidea! Let your kids do kid stuff and have real fun and you goofy parents play lacrosse!
I have an idea!!! Lets just play lacrosse. Everyone has sort of excuse or issue. Who cares just play lacrosse
But then who do we blame when "we" lose and our little superstars miss out on middle school lax glory?
Yup I agree let them play lacrosse. That also includes not buying into the recruitment process, paying ridiculous prices for clubs, travelling cross country to try to get spotted and recruited. Expect (dream) a scholarship because of the team your on. Yup let the kids play.
Support your local rec programs that are just about extinct. Support local and underserved communities by providing lacrosse and growing the game.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
Well deserved. He's still on the site right now but assume that will change. Wishing he drinks heavily and takes a long drive this holiday season.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
Is that the 2029 coach?
...to justify your holdback playing youth sports outside of school....
Oh so you have your own set of "goal posts" or is it "excuses."
How do you sleep at night knowing your kid is taking advantage of younger kids in school sports. Wow, I can't believe it. I thought you were one of the true heros out there. Turns out you are just like the rest of them, taking advantage of the system when it suits you.
I see reading comprehension was not your thing in school.
FIFY , How do you sleep at night knowing your kid is playing against older kids in school sports.
I think you both are on to something. Why aren't we splitting kids up by birth-month so everyone is generally the same exact age.
If only there was a place to bet here. It is a sure thing that you are a holdback parent. Better yet Ms Holdback, put it at some cutoff month that lets all the holdbacks like your son play with schoolmates and also let anyone play down that wants to at that cutoff month regardless if they are a holdback or want to play down and next grade up. I can hear the holdback parents now, why is he allowed, he isnt in our grade ! LOL.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
Well deserved. He's still on the site right now but assume that will change. Wishing he drinks heavily and takes a long drive this holiday season.
EASY , Easy there
If only there was a place to bet here. It is a sure thing that you are a holdback parent. Better yet Ms Holdback, put it at some cutoff month that lets all the holdbacks like your son play with schoolmates and also let anyone play down that wants to at that cutoff month regardless if they are a holdback or want to play down and next grade up. I can hear the holdback parents now, why is he allowed, he isnt in our grade ! LOL.
So you actually think it's fair for our little princes to play against kids of varying ages? Don't you think that's dangerous and terrible for their parent's self esteem?
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
Is that the 2029 coach?
What happen? Was Mollot that bad of a Coach? Thought that team was drama free.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Whomever wrote the comment about taking a long drive clearly needs to rethink their life. What a terrible human being you are. I’m sure you’re a great parent as well.
Whomever wrote the comment about taking a long drive clearly needs to rethink their life. What a terrible human being you are. I’m sure you’re a great parent as well.
Amen
This team Struggles?? They struggled one fall. Otherwise have been the most dominant regional team in the country for several years. They struggled this fall for a number of reasons and he was one of them. Get a grip people. The guy was spread too thin to coach either team he was tied to successfully. He walked away knowing that they were bringing in another HC regardless. You people need to get a life. The hawks will be fine, and frankly the HC they brought in is a major upgrade on the whole thing. You don’t typically see coaches like this brought in until highschool at the hawks.
This means hogan is setting this team up for success early. He knows what he’s got and isn’t about to lose it. Kudos to hogan and the rest of the coaches(including the one who walked away, knowing the kids would be in good hands) for making sure these kids get what they deserve.
Moving on.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
Clippers? Good one!
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
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Team was divided Spalding vs St Mary’s. If your not
Committed to Spalding you going to get pushed out.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
a
Team was divided Spalding vs St Mary’s. If your not
Committed to Spalding you going to get pushed out.
Why would a team playing at such a high level push anyone out? Why mess with the formula? Makes no sense.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
a
Team was divided Spalding vs St Mary’s. If your not
Committed to Spalding you going to get pushed out.
Why would a team playing at such a high level push anyone out? Why mess with the formula? Makes no sense.
The 2026 team he's lead for years is losing and the guy acts more immature then 7th graders. See the future with him and run!
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
a
Team was divided Spalding vs St Mary’s. If your not
Committed to Spalding you going to get pushed out.
Why would a team playing at such a high level push anyone out? Why mess with the formula? Makes no sense.
See the 2026 team and all the kid that left
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
a
Team was divided Spalding vs St Mary’s. If your not
Committed to Spalding you going to get pushed out.
Why would a team playing at such a high level push anyone out? Why mess with the formula? Makes no sense.
See the 2026 team and all the kid that left
Highly doubtful it happens to the 2029 team.
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
a
Team was divided Spalding vs St Mary’s. If your not
Committed to Spalding you going to get pushed out.
Why would a team playing at such a high level push anyone out? Why mess with the formula? Makes no sense.
See the 2026 team and all the kid that left
Highly doubtful it happens to the 2029 team.
Just wait - it happens to every Hawks team as they near high school and teams start flying in kids or the boarding kids show up, then you'll see kids who got pushed out go from their respective clubs to Hawks. Hawks kids will get replaced. It happens every year single year
So Hogan canned Mollot. Where ya at Hawks folks
The daddy ball has become too much for even him, and he was just as guilty. There are obvious reasons where this team struggles and he knew how to coach around those weaknesses.
He made the team what it is, the Best!!
Dude built arguably one of the top 2029 teams in the country over the past 3 years and this is how parents repay him for all his time and efforts? NLF Championships, HOCO Championships, Tournament Victories............what else do you fool parents want?
Heard that this has started to divide the team now, and that some players will definitely leave for Clippers at the end of the season if not sooner.
a
Team was divided Spalding vs St Mary’s. If your not
Committed to Spalding you going to get pushed out.
Why would a team playing at such a high level push anyone out? Why mess with the formula? Makes no sense.
See the 2026 team and all the kid that left
Highly doubtful it happens to the 2029 team.
Just wait - it happens to every Hawks team as they near high school and teams start flying in kids or the boarding kids show up, then you'll see kids who got pushed out go from their respective clubs to Hawks. Hawks kids will get replaced. It happens every year single year
I'm guessing any HOCO team would welcome any Hawk's kid with open arms if this actually happens. There's a ton of talent on that team right now.
LMAO this dude has hawks and crabs mixed up. GET OUT OF HERE
Are then any players from McD currently playing for a top ten D1 program ? Not a player that sits on the bench, but a player that’s an impact player like BL attackman at Yale or Gilman attackman at Harvard. McD gets players committed but doesn’t prepare them for college ball!!!
Kinda hard to do. Unless it's intentional.
So any teams going to the World Series?
Not many, if any, MD teams are .
On-age only, so no MD teams
This is a lacrosse forum, not baseball.
Get your 2030 teams and come compete on age for once!
Does anyone know why VLC dropped their Skills and Drills Program this winter?
Does anyone know why VLC dropped their Skills and Drills Program this winter?
I think that program is dying a slow death....
Does anyone know why VLC dropped their Skills and Drills Program this winter?
I think that program is dying a slow death....
Keep in mind the "KIng Crab" method has always been to de-emphasize skill development, and focus on recruiting "bigger, stronger, faster" players for the high school age teams. So this shouldn't be super-surprising.
Does anyone know why VLC dropped their Skills and Drills Program this winter?
I think that program is dying a slow death....
Keep in mind the "KIng Crab" method has always been to de-emphasize skill development, and focus on recruiting "bigger, stronger, faster" players for the high school age teams. So this shouldn't be super-surprising.
That is every travel team model unfortunately.
Correct every travel team eventually becomes about the money, people and their status, and winning. Do they really care about getting kids being recruited? Maybe, I think there are some among the ranks that genuinely care about players. However, there are many that could care less and once they are done with you goodbye. Youth sports is a business. The idea of having positive memories and reliving them for future generations is almost dead. This is just a reality. Why I comment on this. I just read a story on a local kid who was a top 3 pick in the country, student MIAA player, D1 recruit to a top 5 team, started as a freshman, failed out, went to a mid level D1 school didn't play/make the team, and is now at a D3 school hoping to play. He was a DHB, everyone pushed for sports success because he was bigger, stronger, and faster. What is there to show for it? not sure. Wish this kid the best of luck and he finds his way. Yes I know there are so many kids that have had great success on and off the field. However there are just as many like this player. A little skills (Field and Life) development even in high School will go a long way.
That is every travel team model unfortunately.
Teams only have so much roster space. What would you have them do? If you think coaches enjoy cutting kids who've been on a team for a new-comer then you've clearly never been on that side of the clipboard.
Everyone wants to complain about how "unfair" the top teams are, all the while trying to get their kids on those teams with all the best players and competition.
Fall season coming to an end. For HOCO ELITE here's the current rankings:
9. Madlax
11. True Chesapeake
14. Annapolis Hawks
16. Next Level
20. FCA
71. Predators
N/A: Crabs only played 3 games so not ranked.
So 5 of the 7 are in the top 20. HOCO season should be fun!
Fall season coming to an end. For HOCO ELITE here's the current rankings:
9. Madlax
11. True Chesapeake
14. Annapolis Hawks
16. Next Level
20. FCA
71. Predators
N/A: Crabs only played 3 games so not ranked.
So 5 of the 7 are in the top 20. HOCO season should be fun!
There are still a couple of top 10 teams that have not yet played the 6 games. Everyone
Fall season coming to an end. For HOCO ELITE here's the current rankings:
9. Madlax
11. True Chesapeake
14. Annapolis Hawks
16. Next Level
20. FCA
71. Predators
N/A: Crabs only played 3 games so not ranked.
So 5 of the 7 are in the top 20. HOCO season should be fun!
LTLC/Crabs has a 93.9 rating, which would put them at #40 overall. That is in-line with where they were last year, and probably an accurate marking for them, especially keeping in mind they lost a couple pretty good kids (including their middie that will miss the HoCo season) and had a 50% roster turnover. They did get within 5 goals of FCA in a fall tourney, have a great close D and a student attackman. So they definitely have potential for an upset in the season.
Also:
63. HoCo
64: Team 91 Maryland
72: Hawks "b" team
77: MadLax DMV
82: ProStart
88. Swarm
Top of HoCo is stacked. Still would assume Crabs, Preds & 91MD fill out the top division. Those are the clear bottom three, though.
Eight in in Hoco in no particular order. It's going to be a lot of really good games and really good competition all around. I think this group has some of the best 29 (non-National teams) in the country.
Hawks
Next Level
LTLC/Crabs
FCA
Madlax
Team 91
True Chesapeake
Would be surprised they let Preds in. No sure why they wouldn't. Team 91 has to mave down to let a better team in.
Eight in in Hoco in no particular order. It's going to be a lot of really good games and really good competition all around. I think this group has some of the best 29 (non-National teams) in the country.
Hawks
Next Level
LTLC/Crabs
FCA
Madlax
Team 91
True Chesapeake
Would be surprised they let Preds in. No sure why they wouldn't. Team 91 has to mave down to let a better team in.
Talk of Baltimore is said to be moving up to Elite. Maybe this fall has them rethinking this. Wish 91 would do some soul searching as well..
Eight in in Hoco in no particular order. It's going to be a lot of really good games and really good competition all around. I think this group has some of the best 29 (non-National teams) in the country.
Hawks
Next Level
LTLC/Crabs
FCA
Madlax
Team 91
True Chesapeake
Would be surprised they let Preds in. No sure why they wouldn't. Team 91 has to mave down to let a better team in.
Talk of Baltimore is said to be moving up to Elite. Maybe this fall has them rethinking this. Wish 91 would do some soul searching as well..
Those are only 7 teams listed. I'm made to understand Preds is the 8th. I do think they will struggle this year in against the tougher competition.
My way to early predictions...
1. TC
2. Hawks
3. ML
4. NL
5. FCA
6. LTLC/Crabs
7. Preds
8. 91
Eight in in Hoco in no particular order. It's going to be a lot of really good games and really good competition all around. I think this group has some of the best 29 (non-National teams) in the country.
Hawks
Next Level
LTLC/Crabs
FCA
Madlax
Team 91
True Chesapeake
Would be surprised they let Preds in. No sure why they wouldn't. Team 91 has to mave down to let a better team in.
Talk of Baltimore is said to be moving up to Elite. Maybe this fall has them rethinking this. Wish 91 would do some soul searching as well..
Those are only 7 teams listed. I'm made to understand Preds is the 8th. I do think they will struggle this year in against the tougher competition.
My way to early predictions...
1. TC
2. Hawks
3. ML
4. NL
5. FCA
6. LTLC/Crabs
7. Preds
8. 91
I think any one of the 1-4 could win the league this year. More parity than ever!
So the top four teams are not Baltimore based Club teams. I dont think so. Before Hoco season is over, FCA, Crabs or talk of Balt will be right there.
So the top four teams are not Baltimore based Club teams. I dont think so. Before Hoco season is over, FCA, Crabs or talk of Balt will be right there.
Unless they fly in a ton of talent Baltimore based teams are on the struggle bus in the 2029 group.
So the top four teams are not Baltimore based Club teams. I dont think so. Before Hoco season is over, FCA, Crabs or talk of Balt will be right there.
Baltimore talent is too diluted across multiple teams.
TC took all the top talent from VLC.
ML and NL have taken all the talent from BLC.
ML is about the only game in town if you are a top player in northern VA.
So the top four teams are not Baltimore based Club teams. I dont think so. Before Hoco season is over, FCA, Crabs or talk of Balt will be right there.
Baltimore talent is too diluted across multiple teams.
TC took all the top talent from VLC.
ML and NL have taken all the talent from BLC.
ML is about the only game in town if you are a top player in northern VA.
Based on what the 2028 ML team went through I would say give it a year and ML will disband with a couple other options...
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
I agree, but it is still a little too early to speak on the 2028 DCE team.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
Any of these teams going to man up and play in the World Series and show how great they are or aren’t?
Didn’t think so!
Any of these teams going to man up and play in the World Series and show how great they are or aren’t?
Didn’t think so!
I've heard True Chesapeake is taking a team. My guess is they won't play the first week of HOCO because the East Qualifier. That means some other team will have a bye week as well.
Any of these teams going to man up and play in the World Series and show how great they are or aren’t?
Didn’t think so!
Yawn.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
I’m not the previous poster, but anyone who will pay the money makes Madlax. My kid’s best friend plays for them and he said not one kid has EVER been cut from the 2028 team. And this gal, they had to eliminate the DMV team because they needed those kids for the depleted Cap team.
Zero envy for that dumpster fire. NL and DCE absolutely eating their lunch locally. Oh yeah, at 2029, too.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
I’m not the previous poster, but anyone who will pay the money makes Madlax. My kid’s best friend plays for them and he said not one kid has EVER been cut from the 2028 team. And this gal, they had to eliminate the DMV team because they needed those kids for the depleted Cap team.
Zero envy for that dumpster fire. NL and DCE absolutely eating their lunch locally. Oh yeah, at 2029, too.
Out of curiosity, how much is Madlax for a year? They play and travel quite a bit.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
I’m not the previous poster, but anyone who will pay the money makes Madlax. My kid’s best friend plays for them and he said not one kid has EVER been cut from the 2028 team. And this gal, they had to eliminate the DMV team because they needed those kids for the depleted Cap team.
Zero envy for that dumpster fire. NL and DCE absolutely eating their lunch locally. Oh yeah, at 2029, too.
Out of curiosity, how much is Madlax for a year? They play and travel quite a bit.
Great topic... let's share how much our respective clubs charge... Predators... $2800
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
I’m not the previous poster, but anyone who will pay the money makes Madlax. My kid’s best friend plays for them and he said not one kid has EVER been cut from the 2028 team. And this gal, they had to eliminate the DMV team because they needed those kids for the depleted Cap team.
Zero envy for that dumpster fire. NL and DCE absolutely eating their lunch locally. Oh yeah, at 2029, too.
Out of curiosity, how much is Madlax for a year? They play and travel quite a bit.
Great topic... let's share how much our respective clubs charge... Predators... $2800
Madlax is around $5-6k. Regular seasonal fees are around $4k, but he charges an additional “tournament fee” for regular events like Naptown, Orlando, Vail.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
I’m not the previous poster, but anyone who will pay the money makes Madlax. My kid’s best friend plays for them and he said not one kid has EVER been cut from the 2028 team. And this gal, they had to eliminate the DMV team because they needed those kids for the depleted Cap team.
Zero envy for that dumpster fire. NL and DCE absolutely eating their lunch locally. Oh yeah, at 2029, too.
Out of curiosity, how much is Madlax for a year? They play and travel quite a bit.
Great topic... let's share how much our respective clubs charge... Predators... $2800
Madlax is around $5-6k. Regular seasonal fees are around $4k, but he charges an additional “tournament fee” for regular events like Naptown, Orlando, Vail.
True Chesapeake is 2600 for the regional team. Cover field space all year, fall tournaments, HOCO, and summer tournaments. If you participate in the National team as well that's an extra cost.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
I’m not the previous poster, but anyone who will pay the money makes Madlax. My kid’s best friend plays for them and he said not one kid has EVER been cut from the 2028 team. And this gal, they had to eliminate the DMV team because they needed those kids for the depleted Cap team.
Zero envy for that dumpster fire. NL and DCE absolutely eating their lunch locally. Oh yeah, at 2029, too.
Out of curiosity, how much is Madlax for a year? They play and travel quite a bit.
Great topic... let's share how much our respective clubs charge... Predators... $2800
Madlax is around $5-6k. Regular seasonal fees are around $4k, but he charges an additional “tournament fee” for regular events like Naptown, Orlando, Vail.
True Chesapeake is 2600 for the regional team. Cover field space all year, fall tournaments, HOCO, and summer tournaments. If you participate in the National team as well that's an extra cost.
FCA was either $2500 or $2600. That includes everything other than really unusual tourneys like Vail.
Crabs are less than all of those. That is why it is the Club of Clubs.
ML 2024s, 2026s, and 2028s all collapsed. 2023s didnt count because they were part of ML in name only...and it's why they stayed together and dominated. Therefore, the safe bet is that a sizeable portion of the 2029s will all head for greener pastures next year. There is already a lot of talk about it, fwiw.
Makes me wonder if this happens do the rich get richer with ML guys (Hawks, NL, TC) and does this dilute the DMV region even more. Or some new DMV team gets created?
Maybe both?
DC Express starts in 8th grade. They will clean up.
Been pretty disappointing.
How has it been disappointing? People want something new before HS and DC Express is an answer. Not saying everyone wants a change, but it does give another option.
DC Exp has been mostly Bethesda and their last couple years results is not elite level. Express is meant to be an elite level club and it's not.
Really?
2021: #1 in the nation
2022: #1 in the nation
2025: #5 in the nation
2026: #8 in the nation
2028: #18 in the nation after 2 month of existence
Where’s Madlax?? Haaaaa. You’re a clown.
Back to 2029.
Looks like someone got their facts wrong and didnt make ML at one time. Being envious is not a good trait. Now who is the Clown
I’m not the previous poster, but anyone who will pay the money makes Madlax. My kid’s best friend plays for them and he said not one kid has EVER been cut from the 2028 team. And this gal, they had to eliminate the DMV team because they needed those kids for the depleted Cap team.
Zero envy for that dumpster fire. NL and DCE absolutely eating their lunch locally. Oh yeah, at 2029, too.
Out of curiosity, how much is Madlax for a year? They play and travel quite a bit.
Great topic... let's share how much our respective clubs charge... Predators... $2800
Madlax is around $5-6k. Regular seasonal fees are around $4k, but he charges an additional “tournament fee” for regular events like Naptown, Orlando, Vail.
True Chesapeake is 2600 for the regional team. Cover field space all year, fall tournaments, HOCO, and summer tournaments. If you participate in the National team as well that's an extra cost.
FCA was either $2500 or $2600. That includes everything other than really unusual tourneys like Vail.
Hawks is $3000
Crabs are less than all of those. That is why it is the Club of Clubs.
And why their roster is 35+
Crbs roster is not 35 last time I checked. More like mid 20's last time I fact checked.
Saw a Red Hots ad for tryouts to create a WSL team says you must live 100 miles or less from Pittsburg. I thought they had a team playing at the Circuit. So which team will play. Red Hots V.1, Red Hots V.2, Red Hots V.2.7. So confused. Can it be called a team when they just have tryouts for every tournament. How does it work with rankings. What's would the true measure of how good a team is if they are not consistent. I truely am just confused.
"The Red Hots are excited to announce that we are entering a team in the Lacrosse World Series Championship Qualifier this March 23/24th. The tryout date is January 20th from No Off Season , from 3:00 PM to 5:00 PM. To qualify, you must be born on or after 09/01/2010. Grade year does not matter as long as you make the age requirement. We encourage 2028s (eligible in age), 2029’s, and skilled 2030s to attend. Application and tryout registration is in our bio. If you can not make it on January 20th, we will have alternate dates. You must live within 100 miles of Pittsburgh to qualify."
Saw a Red Hots ad for tryouts to create a WSL team says you must live 100 miles or less from Pittsburg. I thought they had a team playing at the Circuit. So which team will play. Red Hots V.1, Red Hots V.2, Red Hots V.2.7. So confused. Can it be called a team when they just have tryouts for every tournament. How does it work with rankings. What's would the true measure of how good a team is if they are not consistent. I truely am just confused.
"The Red Hots are excited to announce that we are entering a team in the Lacrosse World Series Championship Qualifier this March 23/24th. The tryout date is January 20th from No Off Season , from 3:00 PM to 5:00 PM. To qualify, you must be born on or after 09/01/2010. Grade year does not matter as long as you make the age requirement. We encourage 2028s (eligible in age), 2029’s, and skilled 2030s to attend. Application and tryout registration is in our bio. If you can not make it on January 20th, we will have alternate dates. You must live within 100 miles of Pittsburgh to qualify."
Circuit allows any player born after June 1 and living anywhere in the country.
WSYL requires players born after Sep 1 and living within 100 miles of the team location.
Just about every club will have to add players to meet WSYL criteria.
Red Hots has two primary teams... Red Hots AA which is mostly pittsburgh kids augmented by a few regional players and Red Hots National which is elite kids from all over the country.
I wonder if this is just for current other red hots players or open to anyone?
I wonder if this is just for current other red hots players or open to anyone?
It's open to anyone who lives within a 100 mile radius of Pittsburgh.
Most teams will lose at least a few players to the Sept 1 cutoff and therefore are looking to add talent. Likewise, some families might be unwilling to commit to the additional expense and travel required for WSYL.
How would that work with rankings? Being that it wouldn't be a true assessment of the team.
How would that work with rankings? Being that it wouldn't be a true assessment of the team.
It doesn't work. Any team going to WSYL will be different in composition. Likewise, national teams and regional teams are always morphing based on guest players/talent available.
If the full Red Hots National team is available, no team in the country is beating them.
Crabs are less than all of those. That is why it is the Club of Clubs.
And why their roster is 35+
Poor guy, wanted his son to make the Club of Clubs Crabs and just couldn't get there. No it is in 20's. and you know it, but jealousy got the better of you.
Now Hit The Wall !
Age based leagues will not last long. Unless they want to be mediocre. The upper elite teams are made up of many private school players who are not about to play at their proper age. Most have earned the right to play down by doing a prefirst or reclassing.
That shipped has sailed. Keep Dreaming .
How would that work with rankings? Being that it wouldn't be a true assessment of the team.
You could ask the same question regarding all of the national teams. Should be a completely separate ranking for national teams. But I'd imagine I'm speaking to the choir here.
Age based leagues will not last long. Unless they want to be mediocre. The upper elite teams are made up of many private school players who are not about to play at their proper age. Most have earned the right to play down by doing a prefirst or reclassing.
That shipped has sailed. Keep Dreaming .
disagree. Rosters for 2029 and below teams have already changed due to the new rules. HOCO is using this rule too. Private schools will have a lot more reclass at the 9th grade level but pre first kids are screwed.
Age based leagues will not last long. Unless they want to be mediocre. The upper elite teams are made up of many private school players who are not about to play at their proper age. Most have earned the right to play down by doing a prefirst or reclassing.
That shipped has sailed. Keep Dreaming .
disagree. Rosters for 2029 and below teams have already changed due to the new rules. HOCO is using this rule too. Private schools will have a lot more reclass at the 9th grade level but pre first kids are screwed.
I don't think it will be that big of a problem (statistically). Very few 14 year olds will be "good sports" about the following scenario:
1) Hey, you should repeat 8th grade instead of being a high school student, who cares about your social cred?
2) On your club team, it will be no big deal to hear all your buddies' stories from High School while you're in 8th grade...again.
3) Hey I know your buddies are playing HS JV this year, but you can be a starter at the St. Pauls Middle School team!
This is why so many MIAA and IAC parents moved their students to private schools (and reclass) in 5th and 6th grade. Kid is far less likely to say "no." But with the new rules, it suddenly doesn't make much sense to reclass (for sports) in K-7 anymore.
There will still be the rare McCabe Millon who understand his dad's master plan and gets onboard without a fuss, and throws himself into the process, but that kid has always had a solid head on his shoulders and handled an 8th grade reclass with ease, he essentially became the king of the school. Let's talk about how rare that is for an 8th grader before we assume there will be an army of 8th grade reclasses in future years.
I had this conversation with my son over the holiday. He is 100% on board with reclassing. He loves lacrosse. He loves winning. He wants to go D1. He loves this idea. Listen, it's not for everybody. You and your entire family need to be ready to do this. Otherwise it will not work.
#ironsharpensiron
I had this conversation with my son over the holiday. He is 100% on board with reclassing. He loves lacrosse. He loves winning. He wants to go D1. He loves this idea. Listen, it's not for everybody. You and your entire family need to be ready to do this. Otherwise it will not work.
#ironsharpensiron
HAHA if you really believed iron sharpens iron you would have him competing with kids his own age because that is the bigger challenge.
I had this conversation with my son over the holiday. He is 100% on board with reclassing. He loves lacrosse. He loves winning. He wants to go D1. He loves this idea. Listen, it's not for everybody. You and your entire family need to be ready to do this. Otherwise it will not work.
#ironsharpensiron
Should have just had your kid's birth certificate forged at the hospital like the MIAA parents.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
Age based leagues will not last long. Unless they want to be mediocre. The upper elite teams are made up of many private school players who are not about to play at their proper age. Most have earned the right to play down by doing a prefirst or reclassing.
That shipped has sailed. Keep Dreaming .
disagree. Rosters for 2029 and below teams have already changed due to the new rules. HOCO is using this rule too. Private schools will have a lot more reclass at the 9th grade level but pre first kids are screwed.
I don't think it will be that big of a problem (statistically). Very few 14 year olds will be "good sports" about the following scenario:
1) Hey, you should repeat 8th grade instead of being a high school student, who cares about your social cred?
2) On your club team, it will be no big deal to hear all your buddies' stories from High School while you're in 8th grade...again.
3) Hey I know your buddies are playing HS JV this year, but you can be a starter at the St. Pauls Middle School team!
This is why so many MIAA and IAC parents moved their students to private schools (and reclass) in 5th and 6th grade. Kid is far less likely to say "no." But with the new rules, it suddenly doesn't make much sense to reclass (for sports) in K-7 anymore.
There will still be the rare McCabe Millon who understand his dad's master plan and gets onboard without a fuss, and throws himself into the process, but that kid has always had a solid head on his shoulders and handled an 8th grade reclass with ease, he essentially became the king of the school. Let's talk about how rare that is for an 8th grader before we assume there will be an army of 8th grade reclasses in future years.
So you praise MM and his parents for reclassing? What is wrong with you? Parents like you ruin youth sports.
I had this conversation with my son over the holiday. He is 100% on board with reclassing. He loves lacrosse. He loves winning. He wants to go D1. He loves this idea. Listen, it's not for everybody. You and your entire family need to be ready to do this. Otherwise it will not work.
#ironsharpensiron
HAHA if you really believed iron sharpens iron you would have him competing with kids his own age because that is the bigger challenge.
You may laugh, but he is right. Your chances of going D1 increase if you hold your son back. Most players on elite are above average at best, ( to all you delusional parents, there is the rare truly elite so I am not talking to you ! ) .
Hold him back and he becomes at the top of above average players with increased chances to play D! . Sorry Folks , it works.
I had this conversation with my son over the holiday. He is 100% on board with reclassing. He loves lacrosse. He loves winning. He wants to go D1. He loves this idea. Listen, it's not for everybody. You and your entire family need to be ready to do this. Otherwise it will not work.
#ironsharpensiron
HAHA if you really believed iron sharpens iron you would have him competing with kids his own age because that is the bigger challenge.
You may laugh, but he is right. Your chances of going D1 increase if you hold your son back. Most players on elite are above average at best, ( to all you delusional parents, there is the rare truly elite so I am not talking to you ! ) .
Hold him back and he becomes at the top of above average players with increased chances to play D! . Sorry Folks , it works.
Terrible way to look at life.
The biggest complainers of holdbacks are typically parents who can’t afford to send their child to a private school.
I had this conversation with my son over the holiday. He is 100% on board with reclassing. He loves lacrosse. He loves winning. He wants to go D1. He loves this idea. Listen, it's not for everybody. You and your entire family need to be ready to do this. Otherwise it will not work.
#ironsharpensiron
HAHA if you really believed iron sharpens iron you would have him competing with kids his own age because that is the bigger challenge.
You may laugh, but he is right. Your chances of going D1 increase if you hold your son back. Most players on elite are above average at best, ( to all you delusional parents, there is the rare truly elite so I am not talking to you ! ) .
Hold him back and he becomes at the top of above average players with increased chances to play D! . Sorry Folks , it works.
Terrible way to look at life.
Just being real , nothing to do with looking at life.
The biggest complainers of holdbacks are typically parents who can’t afford to send their child to a private school.
Everyone that read this is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Not being able to afford private school? I say this with no hyperbolic intention: that is the most obtuse opinion I have ever heard on here.
my children go to private school currently and I am steadfastly against it. What’s your reasoning now?
Ruining my children’s social life, academic confidence all on the name of lacrosse is short-sighted.
Kids are soft today. Holdbacks are softer
Blame the parents for being soft and enabling. The kids are just stuck with these shortsighted [Censored]
Not being able to afford private school? I say this with no hyperbolic intention: that is the most obtuse opinion I have ever heard on here.
my children go to private school currently and I am steadfastly against it. What’s your reasoning now?
Ruining my children’s social life, academic confidence all on the name of lacrosse is short-sighted.
Kids are soft today. Holdbacks are softer
But the holdbacks start for every major D1 program. I looked at Dukes roster a couple years ago. It posted ages. Just for my own curiosity I looked up their age and matched year in college. I used Sept 1 . There were only about 14 players on entire 40+ roster that were on age for their year. And every big name on team was a holdback. I remember that there was only one player that was born after May and on grade for age. Eye opener . Frankly I didnt think it was that much until I looked.
I think it is wrong at every level of youth sports and beyond, but the results speak for themselves
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Not being able to afford private school? I say this with no hyperbolic intention: that is the most obtuse opinion I have ever heard on here.
my children go to private school currently and I am steadfastly against it. What’s your reasoning now?
Ruining my children’s social life, academic confidence all on the name of lacrosse is short-sighted.
Kids are soft today. Holdbacks are softer
This is you not being hyperbolic. Ok sure. Talk about things we are all dumber for reading.
I'm just curious, but what exactly is the "perfect" age spread for children who interact with each other? And can you provide the data that is used to form that conclusion?
Not being able to afford private school? I say this with no hyperbolic intention: that is the most obtuse opinion I have ever heard on here.
my children go to private school currently and I am steadfastly against it. What’s your reasoning now?
Ruining my children’s social life, academic confidence all on the name of lacrosse is short-sighted.
Kids are soft today. Holdbacks are softer
Such a shame that your little prince has to endure this. This has really opened my eyes. We should sort not only competition, but school classes as well by birth month so our kids have a fair shake. And if that doesn't work we can go to birth week, or maybe just birth hour. That would ensure the most equitable outcomes. Thanks for bringing this to light.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
The Circuit is an absolute joke! Roster up a 100 players and give them age exemptions if they simple ask for it.
Not being able to afford private school? I say this with no hyperbolic intention: that is the most obtuse opinion I have ever heard on here.
my children go to private school currently and I am steadfastly against it. What’s your reasoning now?
Ruining my children’s social life, academic confidence all on the name of lacrosse is short-sighted.
Kids are soft today. Holdbacks are softer
Such a shame that your little prince has to endure this. This has really opened my eyes. We should sort not only competition, but school classes as well by birth month so our kids have a fair shake. And if that doesn't work we can go to birth week, or maybe just birth hour. That would ensure the most equitable outcomes. Thanks for bringing this to light.
Once again, everyone that read this is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
This post sums up why everyone detests the Red Hots, and why it’s actually just an Instagram Fantasy Team. Its best players are actually more committed to their REAL teams, typically local to one town or a few immediate towns near one another. And why the Red Hots is a 2nd grade through 8th grade money grab— once kids hit high school and the recruitment age, Red Hots is over. They play for their real teams.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
This post sums up why everyone detests the Red Hots, and why it’s actually just an Instagram Fantasy Team. Its best players are actually more committed to their REAL teams, typically local to one town or a few immediate towns near one another. And why the Red Hots is a 2nd grade through 8th grade money grab— once kids hit high school and the recruitment age, Red Hots is over. They play for their real teams.
You sound bitter because your kid didn’t make a national team or you’re just arm chair judging. We all know what these “national” teams are. Some will have a positive experience and grow. Others maybe not.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
This post sums up why everyone detests the Red Hots, and why it’s actually just an Instagram Fantasy Team. Its best players are actually more committed to their REAL teams, typically local to one town or a few immediate towns near one another. And why the Red Hots is a 2nd grade through 8th grade money grab— once kids hit high school and the recruitment age, Red Hots is over. They play for their real teams.
Ouch ! Someone's team got beat by the Red Hots, sounds like by a wide margin. Relax, the memory of a beat down goes away as time goes by, or until the next team beats your sons team and more excuses start up again.
That so funny that the standard response is you are bitter about your kid not making the team. The reality is its a money grab and an ego booster for coaches and investors in the team. The roledex these teams have has to be int he hundreds and they jsut go through calling to see who can pay and play.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Someone didnt get a ring and is upset !
Let’s make a top 10 list of tired responses!
I’ll start:
1. Thanks Coach!
2. Someone’s kid didn’t make the team
3. Someone couldn’t afford Private school
4. Good luck in D3 if you don’t
Feel free to add on as you see fit.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
This post sums up why everyone detests the Red Hots, and why it’s actually just an Instagram Fantasy Team. Its best players are actually more committed to their REAL teams, typically local to one town or a few immediate towns near one another. And why the Red Hots is a 2nd grade through 8th grade money grab— once kids hit high school and the recruitment age, Red Hots is over. They play for their real teams.
Newsflash…. That’s how ALL actual national teams operate. National teams are all star teams. It is expected that your primary loyalty be to your local club. A national team is supplemental to that.
Are they money grabs? Of course. Pot… let me introduce you to Mr Kettle. ALL Club sports teams are money grabs to one degree or another. They are FOR PROFIT businesses.
Nothing wrong with national teams providing you have your eyes wide open on what you’re getting into.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
The Circuit is an absolute joke! Roster up a 100 players and give them age exemptions if they simple ask for it.
Sounds like another jealous dad whose kid either didn’t make a team or whose team got waxed… there are 2 age exemptions available per team at the 29 level. And those exemptions allow players born after Jan 1, 2010.
As for roster size…. Last time I checked there were only 10 players on the field. How exactly does that fourth line midfielder or 11th pole help a team?
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
The Red Hots team has one player who is a difference maker. He’s in 8th grade so couldn’t play on the ‘29 team in Orlando as the tournament was grade based. Without him the ‘29 team is still a pretty good team but not world beaters. Based on conversations this weekend I think you’ll see some of those kids drop prior to Circuit finals. A team built around only one player that dodge isn’t for others. Not to mention the negative reputation of the team after said player was ejected a couple weeks ago.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
The Circuit is an absolute joke! Roster up a 100 players and give them age exemptions if they simple ask for it.
Sounds like another jealous dad whose kid either didn’t make a team or whose team got waxed… there are 2 age exemptions available per team at the 29 level. And those exemptions allow players born after Jan 1, 2010.
As for roster size…. Last time I checked there were only 10 players on the field. How exactly does that fourth line midfielder or 11th pole help a team?
Anyone who can’t see through the smoke and mirrors is likely partaking in this foolishness. Red Hots is a team from Pittsburgh that couldn’t compete in the lowest levels of rec in NY, MD, Philly, etc, there are like 5 kids playing lacrosse in Pittsburgh. So— they go out and create a traveling circus of kids from all over, with a flashy Instagram page, and all of a sudden, they have money pouring in (evident by their branded Sprinter Van).
Good for the guys in Pittsburgh who saw a marketing opportunity, and monetized it. Parents are starved for opportunities to see their kids perform. They’ll pay for it.
But to think that this is anything more than an Instagram marketing ploy that will vanish when these kids get into high school (in lieu of the real club teams and showcase events) is fooling themselves. But heck, enjoy it while it lasts, and parade around that championship ring in the meantime!
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
The Circuit is an absolute joke! Roster up a 100 players and give them age exemptions if they simple ask for it.
Sounds like another jealous dad whose kid either didn’t make a team or whose team got waxed… there are 2 age exemptions available per team at the 29 level. And those exemptions allow players born after Jan 1, 2010.
As for roster size…. Last time I checked there were only 10 players on the field. How exactly does that fourth line midfielder or 11th pole help a team?
Anyone who can’t see through the smoke and mirrors is likely partaking in this foolishness. Red Hots is a team from Pittsburgh that couldn’t compete in the lowest levels of rec in NY, MD, Philly, etc, there are like 5 kids playing lacrosse in Pittsburgh. So— they go out and create a traveling circus of kids from all over, with a flashy Instagram page, and all of a sudden, they have money pouring in (evident by their branded Sprinter Van).
Good for the guys in Pittsburgh who saw a marketing opportunity, and monetized it. Parents are starved for opportunities to see their kids perform. They’ll pay for it.
But to think that this is anything more than an Instagram marketing ploy that will vanish when these kids get into high school (in lieu of the real club teams and showcase events) is fooling themselves. But heck, enjoy it while it lasts, and parade around that championship ring in the meantime!
Your comment about the van tells us that you know nothing more than what you’ve seen on social media.
It’s odd how people get so twisted over this. National teams are simply an additional opportunity for your kid to play at a high level. (if he has the talent and your wallet can tolerate it)
Anyone here how the HOCO teams are lining up? Figuring 8 teams in each division.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
The Red Hots team has one player who is a difference maker. He’s in 8th grade so couldn’t play on the ‘29 team in Orlando as the tournament was grade based. Without him the ‘29 team is still a pretty good team but not world beaters. Based on conversations this weekend I think you’ll see some of those kids drop prior to Circuit finals. A team built around only one player that dodge isn’t for others. Not to mention the negative reputation of the team after said player was ejected a couple weeks ago.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. Red Hots Circuit team has literally 2 1/2 lines of midfield and 2 Attackman that could start on any other Circuit team.
The team that went to Club Nationals was missing 90% of their midfield, one attackman and half the defense.
Yes, the 2028 midfielder is a difference maker but so are 6-8 other kids on the club. In fact, when they drilled Mojo, the 2028 midfielder had maybe 2 goals out of the 13 that they scored.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
The Red Hots team has one player who is a difference maker. He’s in 8th grade so couldn’t play on the ‘29 team in Orlando as the tournament was grade based. Without him the ‘29 team is still a pretty good team but not world beaters. Based on conversations this weekend I think you’ll see some of those kids drop prior to Circuit finals. A team built around only one player that dodge isn’t for others. Not to mention the negative reputation of the team after said player was ejected a couple weeks ago.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. Red Hots Circuit team has literally 2 1/2 lines of midfield and 2 Attackman that could start on any other Circuit team.
The team that went to Club Nationals was missing 90% of their midfield, one attackman and half the defense.
Yes, the 2028 midfielder is a difference maker but so are 6-8 other kids on the club. In fact, when they drilled Mojo, the 2028 midfielder had maybe 2 goals out of the 13 that they scored.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
The Circuit is an absolute joke! Roster up a 100 players and give them age exemptions if they simple ask for it.
Sounds like another jealous dad whose kid either didn’t make a team or whose team got waxed… there are 2 age exemptions available per team at the 29 level. And those exemptions allow players born after Jan 1, 2010.
As for roster size…. Last time I checked there were only 10 players on the field. How exactly does that fourth line midfielder or 11th pole help a team?
Anyone who can’t see through the smoke and mirrors is likely partaking in this foolishness. Red Hots is a team from Pittsburgh that couldn’t compete in the lowest levels of rec in NY, MD, Philly, etc, there are like 5 kids playing lacrosse in Pittsburgh. So— they go out and create a traveling circus of kids from all over, with a flashy Instagram page, and all of a sudden, they have money pouring in (evident by their branded Sprinter Van).
Good for the guys in Pittsburgh who saw a marketing opportunity, and monetized it. Parents are starved for opportunities to see their kids perform. They’ll pay for it.
But to think that this is anything more than an Instagram marketing ploy that will vanish when these kids get into high school (in lieu of the real club teams and showcase events) is fooling themselves. But heck, enjoy it while it lasts, and parade around that championship ring in the meantime!
Your comment about the van tells us that you know nothing more than what you’ve seen on social media.
It’s odd how people get so twisted over this. National teams are simply an additional opportunity for your kid to play at a high level. (if he has the talent and your wallet can tolerate it)
You're exactly right... Red Hots National has virtually zero kids from Pittsburgh. Their roster is comprised of top kids from elite programs around the country. They play for RHN when their local club is off. It's additional playing time with other elite players. The only people complaining are the ones who either A. can't afford the cost to play on a national team or B. have a kid who didn't make a top national team.
I will say that I do feel that National teams playing in local club tournaments is an issue. National teams shouldn't be playing events like NLF, NAL or Naptown. That's why the Circuit is such a great idea.
You are right national teams should be playing only national teams and be ranked completely different than club teams. On the US club Lacrosse ranking they should have their own category. There are national teams on that ranking that have nothing identifying them as national teams thus causing for confusion and frustration. I completely agree if you have the wallet and they want your money you can play on a team. Pay to play. In the end this Nationals team stuff isn't going to change minds. You either have it and are wanted by a coach/team or you don't.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
The Red Hots team has one player who is a difference maker. He’s in 8th grade so couldn’t play on the ‘29 team in Orlando as the tournament was grade based. Without him the ‘29 team is still a pretty good team but not world beaters. Based on conversations this weekend I think you’ll see some of those kids drop prior to Circuit finals. A team built around only one player that dodge isn’t for others. Not to mention the negative reputation of the team after said player was ejected a couple weeks ago.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. Red Hots Circuit team has literally 2 1/2 lines of midfield and 2 Attackman that could start on any other Circuit team.
The team that went to Club Nationals was missing 90% of their midfield, one attackman and half the defense.
Yes, the 2028 midfielder is a difference maker but so are 6-8 other kids on the club. In fact, when they drilled Mojo, the 2028 midfielder had maybe 2 goals out of the 13 that they scored.
Please stop. You couldn't be further from the truth. They're 1-2 against Nationals.
You are right national teams should be playing only national teams and be ranked completely different than club teams. On the US club Lacrosse ranking they should have their own category. There are national teams on that ranking that have nothing identifying them as national teams thus causing for confusion and frustration. I completely agree if you have the wallet and they want your money you can play on a team. Pay to play. In the end this Nationals team stuff isn't going to change minds. You either have it and are wanted by a coach/team or you don't.
Well said!
You also have quasi-national teams like West Coast Stars, Futures and Two Way that recruit from multiple states to build out a top roster. In Maryland, Crabs, 91 and True Chesapeake all play similar games.
So with the Hybrid teams versus local team discussions, who is truely a representation of a better team. IMO, it's not the team that patches together a winning team, with recruited players ,at national tournaments but rather a team that is consistently playing as a complete group and can travel anywhere and compete to win.
I think it's apples and oranges. So hard to say what is a "better team." And most of the top kids do both, so they're getting the best of both worlds.
Anyone here how the HOCO teams are lining up? Figuring 8 teams in each division.
ELITE DIVISION IS LOOKING LIKE.........
1. HAWKS
2. NEXT LEVEL
3. TRUE CHESAPEAKE
4. FCA
5. MADLAX
6. CRABS
7. PREDATORS
8. TEAM 91
Anyone here how the HOCO teams are lining up? Figuring 8 teams in each division.
ELITE DIVISION IS LOOKING LIKE.........
1. HAWKS
2. NEXT LEVEL
3. TRUE CHESAPEAKE
4. FCA
5. MADLAX
6. CRABS
7. PREDATORS
8. TEAM 91
Not sure Talk of Baltimore or 91 are ready for this.
Is your list also rankins??
Anyone here how the HOCO teams are lining up? Figuring 8 teams in each division.
ELITE DIVISION IS LOOKING LIKE.........
1. HAWKS
2. NEXT LEVEL
3. TRUE CHESAPEAKE
4. FCA
5. MADLAX
6. CRABS
7. PREDATORS
8. TEAM 91
Not sure Talk of Baltimore or 91 are ready for this.
Agreed. If these are projections, I think 6-8 are spot on and the top 5 could shuffle. We’ll just need to see what Spring brings
I think the list justa list. the biggest question would be middle of the pack. That makes for exciting lacrosse. Questions. If this is the elite list. What match up might havr the biggest upset. Last year it was LTLC over madlax.
Agree....I see different tier's in the Elite Division
Top Tier: Hawks, True Chesapeake, Next Level
Middle Tier: FCA, Madlax, Crabs
Lower Tier: Predators and Team 91 MD. Predators will learn and continue to at least develop. It's going to get ugly for Team 91 MD.
Is this a joke? True was outscored 46-8 against Hawks, NL, and Madlax last HOcO season and 6 were against NL! Be honest with yourself True cheerleader
Agree....I see different tier's in the Elite Division
Top Tier: Hawks, True Chesapeake, Next Level
Middle Tier: FCA, Madlax, Crabs
Lower Tier: Predators and Team 91 MD. Predators will learn and continue to at least develop. It's going to get ugly for Team 91 MD.
Agreed.
Is this a joke? True was outscored 46-8 against Hawks, NL, and Madlax last HOcO season and 6 were against NL! Be honest with yourself True cheerleader
Most be a new drive in mom. This team got better with their 2 hour drive ins. Which makes them a regional team and no longer a local team, so they should do well against the local teams. If this doesn’t work, hello fly ins that are waiting in the wings.
Is this a joke? True was outscored 46-8 against Hawks, NL, and Madlax last HOcO season and 6 were against NL! Be honest with yourself True cheerleader
You clearly missed the memo on True Chesapeake taking on VLC's top players.....they are much improved. Played Hawks to a one goal game in the fall.
Is this a joke? True was outscored 46-8 against Hawks, NL, and Madlax last HOcO season and 6 were against NL! Be honest with yourself True cheerleader
Most be a new drive in mom. This team got better with their 2 hour drive ins. Which makes them a regional team and no longer a local team, so they should do well against the local teams. If this doesn’t work, hello fly ins that are waiting in the wings.
I hear the Hawks are flying in their goalie from Michigan. I guess that makes them not a local team or a regional team.
How important are these All-Star Showcases for 2029's? I saw the USClub Lax ad for the National All Star games and was checking it out. $225 to tryout? I lol'd when I saw that and immediately thought of, "that a fool and his money are soon parted". Sure if you've got the disposable income, why not, but give me a break. That's the thing that drives me nuts about youth lacrosse...folks running these programs sure think highly of themselves. And I thought AAU was bad for being not much more than a money grab. And yet, we all pay it. At least our kids could actually get money some money for school with Bball. We are most definitely the fools.
You need to every showcase and any other recruiting events if you want to be ranked. Getting ranked gets you recruited. Don’t forget you need to pay Inside Lacrosse to get them to evaluate your kid. The sport is a money grab for a few select guys!!
Can anyone share what Shuckers lacrosse is? A new club coming to Baltimore?
Can anyone share what Shuckers lacrosse is? A new club coming to Baltimore?
They are the new “talk of the town”
Can anyone share what Shuckers lacrosse is? A new club coming to Baltimore?
They are the new “talk of the town”
Shuckers is something started by two Loyola Blakefield Fathers that will put a team together to play in Naptown........with the purpose of trying to recruit kids to Loyola Blakefield. That's how it was explained to us, but we are not participating as my son is not interested in Loyola.
Can anyone share what Shuckers lacrosse is? A new club coming to Baltimore?
They are the new “talk of the town”
Shuckers is something started by two Loyola Blakefield Fathers that will put a team together to play in Naptown........with the purpose of trying to recruit kids to Loyola Blakefield. That's how it was explained to us, but we are not participating as my son is not interested in Loyola.
Sad to say I agree with Talk of the Town Dad.
The club is hosted by Ryleighs Oyster (a Towson area seafood place / bar) whose owners are big Loyola alums/donors. It would appear that they have convinced the new Loyola HC that he should be involved and/or be a part-owner in it (like Hilgy and Sett at Predators, and many other older examples). They are assembling some kind of 2029 team for Naptown but also trying next year to build 2027 and 2028 teams.
If I had to guess, it's to continue to TRY to replace the market share that was Koopers, Green Turtle, etc, Looneys (all bar-supported clubs owned by MIAA alums); Koopers blew up as a result of Predators and True making a play for A-AA level / non elite Towson area kids (the 2029 Predators team is a bit of an outlier).
Will it fail any less ingloriously than Koopers, Green Turtle, and Looneys? I guess we'll see. Then True Baltimore will gobble them up as they gobbled up the others, with a pre-tryout message of "we're keeping the same identity and culture, just under True" , and the first post-tryout message being, "You're now True Orange, here is your True logo, we only do True drills, with only True coaches."
Can anyone share what Shuckers lacrosse is? A new club coming to Baltimore?
They are the new “talk of the town”
Shuckers is something started by two Loyola Blakefield Fathers that will put a team together to play in Naptown........with the purpose of trying to recruit kids to Loyola Blakefield. That's how it was explained to us, but we are not participating as my son is not interested in Loyola.
Sad to say I agree with Talk of the Town Dad.
The club is hosted by Ryleighs Oyster (a Towson area seafood place / bar) whose owners are big Loyola alums/donors. It would appear that they have convinced the new Loyola HC that he should be involved and/or be a part-owner in it (like Hilgy and Sett at Predators, and many other older examples). They are assembling some kind of 2029 team for Naptown but also trying next year to build 2027 and 2028 teams.
If I had to guess, it's to continue to TRY to replace the market share that was Koopers, Green Turtle, etc, Looneys (all bar-supported clubs owned by MIAA alums); Koopers blew up as a result of Predators and True making a play for A-AA level / non elite Towson area kids (the 2029 Predators team is a bit of an outlier).
Will it fail any less ingloriously than Koopers, Green Turtle, and Looneys? I guess we'll see. Then True Baltimore will gobble them up as they gobbled up the others, with a pre-tryout message of "we're keeping the same identity and culture, just under True" , and the first post-tryout message being, "You're now True Orange, here is your True logo, we only do True drills, with only True coaches."
PREDS ARE THE WORST. If they were a bar they would be out of business after serving diluted drinks and only being open half the day.
Can anyone share what Shuckers lacrosse is? A new club coming to Baltimore?
They are the new “talk of the town”
Shuckers is something started by two Loyola Blakefield Fathers that will put a team together to play in Naptown........with the purpose of trying to recruit kids to Loyola Blakefield. That's how it was explained to us, but we are not participating as my son is not interested in Loyola.
Sad to say I agree with Talk of the Town Dad.
The club is hosted by Ryleighs Oyster (a Towson area seafood place / bar) whose owners are big Loyola alums/donors. It would appear that they have convinced the new Loyola HC that he should be involved and/or be a part-owner in it (like Hilgy and Sett at Predators, and many other older examples). They are assembling some kind of 2029 team for Naptown but also trying next year to build 2027 and 2028 teams.
If I had to guess, it's to continue to TRY to replace the market share that was Koopers, Green Turtle, etc, Looneys (all bar-supported clubs owned by MIAA alums); Koopers blew up as a result of Predators and True making a play for A-AA level / non elite Towson area kids (the 2029 Predators team is a bit of an outlier).
Will it fail any less ingloriously than Koopers, Green Turtle, and Looneys? I guess we'll see. Then True Baltimore will gobble them up as they gobbled up the others, with a pre-tryout message of "we're keeping the same identity and culture, just under True" , and the first post-tryout message being, "You're now True Orange, here is your True logo, we only do True drills, with only True coaches."
Loyola is a trainwreck and has been for years. I see another dumpster fire laying on the tracks as a train crashes into it..
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Can anyone share what Shuckers lacrosse is? A new club coming to Baltimore?
They are the new “talk of the town”
Shuckers is something started by two Loyola Blakefield Fathers that will put a team together to play in Naptown........with the purpose of trying to recruit kids to Loyola Blakefield. That's how it was explained to us, but we are not participating as my son is not interested in Loyola.
Sad to say I agree with Talk of the Town Dad.
The club is hosted by Ryleighs Oyster (a Towson area seafood place / bar) whose owners are big Loyola alums/donors. It would appear that they have convinced the new Loyola HC that he should be involved and/or be a part-owner in it (like Hilgy and Sett at Predators, and many other older examples). They are assembling some kind of 2029 team for Naptown but also trying next year to build 2027 and 2028 teams.
If I had to guess, it's to continue to TRY to replace the market share that was Koopers, Green Turtle, etc, Looneys (all bar-supported clubs owned by MIAA alums); Koopers blew up as a result of Predators and True making a play for A-AA level / non elite Towson area kids (the 2029 Predators team is a bit of an outlier).
Will it fail any less ingloriously than Koopers, Green Turtle, and Looneys? I guess we'll see. Then True Baltimore will gobble them up as they gobbled up the others, with a pre-tryout message of "we're keeping the same identity and culture, just under True" , and the first post-tryout message being, "You're now True Orange, here is your True logo, we only do True drills, with only True coaches."
Loyola is a trainwreck and has been for years. I see another dumpster fire laying on the tracks as a train crashes into it..
Out of 1300 or so HS programs nationally, Loyola is consistently ranked #20-#40, and i believe had 2022's #6 and #11 national recruits and 2023s #16....so maybe possibly this is all hyperbole. . In terms of how effectively they use their resources and athletes compared to expectations, yeah, you could call that a train weak aka "doing the least with the most."
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Yeah....this tracks. IIRC the infamous Crabs coach who blew up the 2029 team is in fact the True Balt 2029 coach these days.
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Any kid that wants to play Elite and actually wants to win games and not just be in Elite will need to find a team south of Balty to play on. Only time I see that changing is in high school when kids of other places come to board at private schools.
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Yeah....this tracks. IIRC the infamous Crabs coach who blew up the 2029 team is in fact the True Balt 2029 coach these days.
Coach Vanilla Ice is rocking the mike like a vandal at a different club after True banned dad coaches last summer. Baby Ice needed Dad's elite coaching to keep him relevant and starting.
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Any kid that wants to play Elite and actually wants to win games and not just be in Elite will need to find a team south of Balty to play on. Only time I see that changing is in high school when kids of other places come to board at private schools.
Top Baltimore kids need to coalesce on a single team in order to compete with TC, Hawks, NL and ML.
FCA appears to be the closest to that level of play.
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Any kid that wants to play Elite and actually wants to win games and not just be in Elite will need to find a team south of Balty to play on. Only time I see that changing is in high school when kids of other places come to board at private schools.
Top Baltimore kids need to coalesce on a single team in order to compete with TC, Hawks, NL and ML.
FCA appears to be the closest to that level of play.
I agree with this. FCA had a rough fall though. Not sure what happened.
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Yeah....this tracks. IIRC the infamous Crabs coach who blew up the 2029 team is in fact the True Balt 2029 coach these days.
Coach Vanilla Ice is rocking the mike like a vandal at a different club after True banned dad coaches last summer. Baby Ice needed Dad's elite coaching to keep him relevant and starting.
Yo VIP, let's kick it. Thanks for the intel, I'll make sure to continue to stay away from anything he touches. BTW Coach Ice has switched up his hair cut to the mushroom top favored by all the 14 year old kids. You have to admit, he is on top of the teenager hair style game.
And like most dad coach's kids, his kid can play "fine," no need to beat up on a 13 year old. He may turn out to be above average or even better if coaches can keep him away from Daddy Ice's weird influence.
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Any kid that wants to play Elite and actually wants to win games and not just be in Elite will need to find a team south of Balty to play on. Only time I see that changing is in high school when kids of other places come to board at private schools.
Top Baltimore kids need to coalesce on a single team in order to compete with TC, Hawks, NL and ML.
FCA appears to be the closest to that level of play.
I agree with this. FCA had a rough fall though. Not sure what happened.
They lost their dominant ATT to age verification, still a solid team but that was a huge blow.
You’re over thinking this, at least for the 29s. A few years back Crabs and 91 failed spectacularly with this age group, and have not yet recovered. Things remain in flux in the area and probably will at least through the summer. Great for whoever pulls the best team together … but it sure as heck won’t be True Baltimore!
Yeah....this tracks. IIRC the infamous Crabs coach who blew up the 2029 team is in fact the True Balt 2029 coach these days.
Coach Vanilla Ice is rocking the mike like a vandal at a different club after True banned dad coaches last summer. Baby Ice needed Dad's elite coaching to keep him relevant and starting.
Yo VIP, let's kick it. Thanks for the intel, I'll make sure to continue to stay away from anything he touches. BTW Coach Ice has switched up his hair cut to the mushroom top favored by all the 14 year old kids. You have to admit, he is on top of the teenager hair style game.
And like most dad coach's kids, his kid can play "fine," no need to beat up on a 13 year old. He may turn out to be above average or even better if coaches can keep him away from Daddy Ice's weird influence.
Ok, Mister Vineyard shirt wearing his quarter zip. Ease up on the Haircut
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
The Red Hots team has one player who is a difference maker. He’s in 8th grade so couldn’t play on the ‘29 team in Orlando as the tournament was grade based. Without him the ‘29 team is still a pretty good team but not world beaters. Based on conversations this weekend I think you’ll see some of those kids drop prior to Circuit finals. A team built around only one player that dodge isn’t for others. Not to mention the negative reputation of the team after said player was ejected a couple weeks ago.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. Red Hots Circuit team has literally 2 1/2 lines of midfield and 2 Attackman that could start on any other Circuit team.
The team that went to Club Nationals was missing 90% of their midfield, one attackman and half the defense.
Yes, the 2028 midfielder is a difference maker but so are 6-8 other kids on the club. In fact, when they drilled Mojo, the 2028 midfielder had maybe 2 goals out of the 13 that they scored.
Please stop. You couldn't be further from the truth. They're 1-2 against Nationals.
The 2023/2024 Red Hots National team has played the Nationals exactly once. They are 1-0 and look forward to seeing them in philly.
Like you stated They were missing all these players because they couldn't make it. Like it was said before National teams should not be ranked because their rosters are inconsistent. mish moshed, and collaged together from a. pool of players. A true gage of a team is a team that has a large contingency of players playing consistently on a team. And yes my kids has been invited to play on National teams. So he can cut it.
Like you stated They were missing all these players because they couldn't make it. Like it was said before National teams should not be ranked because their rosters are inconsistent. mish moshed, and collaged together from a. pool of players. A true gage of a team is a team that has a large contingency of players playing consistently on a team. And yes my kids has been invited to play on National teams. So he can cut it.
Agreed! They need a separate ranking system for National teams.
Like you stated They were missing all these players because they couldn't make it. Like it was said before National teams should not be ranked because their rosters are inconsistent. mish moshed, and collaged together from a. pool of players. A true gage of a team is a team that has a large contingency of players playing consistently on a team. And yes my kids has been invited to play on National teams. So he can cut it.
Agreed! They need a separate ranking system for National teams.
Sounds great until you start defining the rules to determine if a team is "National" or not. Plus you then have to figure out who is going to validate that teams are following those rules. Some HoCo teams have kids occasionally playing from Tex/FL, etc, are they "National"? Some "National" teams have a fixed roster they use the whole year. Some are RedHots.
A better solution is to print the rankings out and cross out the teams you think don't belong and then adjust the rankings accordingly. Your adjusted rankings would be just as useful as the "official" ones.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
The Red Hots team has one player who is a difference maker. He’s in 8th grade so couldn’t play on the ‘29 team in Orlando as the tournament was grade based. Without him the ‘29 team is still a pretty good team but not world beaters. Based on conversations this weekend I think you’ll see some of those kids drop prior to Circuit finals. A team built around only one player that dodge isn’t for others. Not to mention the negative reputation of the team after said player was ejected a couple weeks ago.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. Red Hots Circuit team has literally 2 1/2 lines of midfield and 2 Attackman that could start on any other Circuit team.
The team that went to Club Nationals was missing 90% of their midfield, one attackman and half the defense.
Yes, the 2028 midfielder is a difference maker but so are 6-8 other kids on the club. In fact, when they drilled Mojo, the 2028 midfielder had maybe 2 goals out of the 13 that they scored.
Please stop. You couldn't be further from the truth. They're 1-2 against Nationals.
The 2023/2024 Red Hots National team has played the Nationals exactly once. They are 1-0 and look forward to seeing them in philly.
The amount of kool aid being drunk by these parents is over the top. We’re talking about 7th grade youth lacrosse. Or in the case of the RH team, 7th and 8th grade.
Red Hots got smoked in Orlando by both west coast stars and Bostons phinest.
That wasn't Red Hots National. Maybe 50% of the Circuit team was able to play in Orlando. Many kids had to play for their primary club. 6 kids alone played for West Coast Stars and 2 for Boston's Finest.
Red Hots brought in their AA Pittsburg kids and even 3 2030's as replacements.
Noone is beating the Red Hots National Circuit team.
Red Hots handing out #1 ranking rings this week…. Now this is pure comedy. Embarrassed for them.
They have 100 rings made up since it’s not a fixed roster. Changes at every tournament! Joke
Jokes on you and your underperforming kid. Most active national teams have to have larger rosters because players are expected to prioritize their local club. Also, kids can’t be expected to fly in for every tournament.
Bottom line, even their 6 attackman on the depth chart is better than your first.
The Red Hots team has one player who is a difference maker. He’s in 8th grade so couldn’t play on the ‘29 team in Orlando as the tournament was grade based. Without him the ‘29 team is still a pretty good team but not world beaters. Based on conversations this weekend I think you’ll see some of those kids drop prior to Circuit finals. A team built around only one player that dodge isn’t for others. Not to mention the negative reputation of the team after said player was ejected a couple weeks ago.
You have NO idea what you are talking about. Red Hots Circuit team has literally 2 1/2 lines of midfield and 2 Attackman that could start on any other Circuit team.
The team that went to Club Nationals was missing 90% of their midfield, one attackman and half the defense.
Yes, the 2028 midfielder is a difference maker but so are 6-8 other kids on the club. In fact, when they drilled Mojo, the 2028 midfielder had maybe 2 goals out of the 13 that they scored.
Please stop. You couldn't be further from the truth. They're 1-2 against Nationals.
The 2023/2024 Red Hots National team has played the Nationals exactly once. They are 1-0 and look forward to seeing them in philly.
The amount of kool aid being drunk by these parents is over the top. We’re talking about 7th grade youth lacrosse. Or in the case of the RH team, 7th and 8th grade.
Lots of people talking about that, of which they know little per usual in the Baltimore lax scene.
Based on what is swirling around theses guys are collecting the best of the best locally. Several national teams have already lost players to them for Naptown.
Lots of people talking about that of which they know little of, per usual in the Baltimore lax scene.
Theres definently room in the club market after the horrible consolidation process we went through the past couple years. Baltimore is so "watered down" that if someone gets there $@&! together and gets the talent the money grabs like TRUE. I'M intrigued to say the least. Apparently they have some preseason clinics starting as well,at Loyola so maybe there is a connection.
Had a friend send me the Shuckers info. They are running a preseason training clinic as part of their ID process. Its at Loyola so maybe this is all making some sense its some how connected. They now have some social media started posting gear and branding. Looks to be legit.
Did some digging and Inquired about a tryout after my son heard about the Shuckers team from a kid at school. Naptown is their first event and i was told if they have not been invited as today they can tryout this summer. My son said they have secured most of the local boys playing on national teams like Red Hots and FCA for what thats worth. I did find out Spencer Ford is involved so maybe there is a Loyola connection since he is the Varsity OC. This group seems to be viable.
The coalescing may have begun. Looks like they have some big money behind this team as well like Roseda Beef which is a Loyola family as the dad played at Loyola and so did one of his boys.. An announcement was made about them being the official something for Shuckers Lacrosse. They are releasing photos of gear that is all Nike. Nike did sign Loyola to a huge contract so perhaps its all connected as some suspect.
The coalescing may have begun. Looks like they have some big money behind this team as well like Roseda Beef which is a Loyola family as the dad played at Loyola and so did one of his boys.. An announcement was made about them being the official something for Shuckers Lacrosse. They are releasing photos of gear that is all Nike. Nike did sign Loyola to a huge contract so perhaps its all connected as some suspect.
It's 100% attached to Loyola and being used as a way for Varsity Coaches (Spencer Ford, etc.) to get a glimpse of kids and start the recruiting process with families to get them to come to Loyola. Similar to what Hilgy and McDonogh do as well. What is perplexing is that the two individual dads who are coordinating everything have sons on Predators who don't even see the field. Same old story....sons can't win with their current club team (Predators)...start a new one! We have seen this story play out before in Bmore.
Interesting. Was the clinic invite only?
The coalescing may have begun. Looks like they have some big money behind this team as well like Roseda Beef which is a Loyola family as the dad played at Loyola and so did one of his boys.. An announcement was made about them being the official something for Shuckers Lacrosse. They are releasing photos of gear that is all Nike. Nike did sign Loyola to a huge contract so perhaps its all connected as some suspect.
It's 100% attached to Loyola and being used as a way for Varsity Coaches (Spencer Ford, etc.) to get a glimpse of kids and start the recruiting process with families to get them to come to Loyola. Similar to what Hilgy and McDonogh do as well. What is perplexing is that the two individual dads who are coordinating everything have sons on Predators who don't even see the field. Same old story....sons can't win with their current club team (Predators)...start a new one! We have seen this story play out before in Bmore.
At what age group do high schools start taking an interest in terms of recruiting? I would think it's 8th grade year but maybe it's earlier than that?
Doubtful Ford is associated with any nonsense regarding dads starting a team. I heard he was brought in as OC at Loyola and somehow involved in leadership of this Shuckers club. I guess we will have to wait and see but sounds like Loyola leadership may have finally woken up and started working at it again with their new AD and now new head of school.
Shuckers is associated with Ryleigh's Oyster Bar. It's interesting that they are getting involved in the lacrosse/bar game at the same time Green turtle Lacrosse is slowly making a comeback. I guess Mother's will soon have a team. Looneys with porbably comeback as well.
My kid went to the clinic tonight. It was definitely different. the head coach was teaching them not just running drills. He was stopping almost every minute to point out the mistakes and showing the boys what to do to improve. Lots of kids and the buzz in the peanut gallery was positive. Not sure that my kid will get selected but worth the price of admission. and yes, that loyola campus is beautiful. I can only wish to send my kid to a school like that. 5 Stars.
My kid went to the clinic tonight. It was definitely different. the head coach was teaching them not just running drills. He was stopping almost every minute to point out the mistakes and showing the boys what to do to improve. Lots of kids and the buzz in the peanut gallery was positive. Not sure that my kid will get selected but worth the price of admission. and yes, that loyola campus is beautiful. I can only wish to send my kid to a school like that. 5 Stars.
This will just dilute the Baltimore area even more. Any great player will need to travel south to find an Elite team. At least until high school.
My kid went to the clinic tonight. It was definitely different. the head coach was teaching them not just running drills. He was stopping almost every minute to point out the mistakes and showing the boys what to do to improve. Lots of kids and the buzz in the peanut gallery was positive. Not sure that my kid will get selected but worth the price of admission. and yes, that loyola campus is beautiful. I can only wish to send my kid to a school like that. 5 Stars.
Taken directly from the Loyola Shuckers marketing brochure.
Well done.
Ryleigh's has been in lax game for years just at college and post collegiate level. Very good team and won the big east club club league a few years back over Long Island team. Owner and some guys he played with coach them and treat them very well from what employees/my daughter tell me as she worked there. Looks like youth movement is coming.
Not invite only - flyer for event was online and anyone could sign up.
Just spoke to two Crabs dads who were there and they confirmed your thoughts. Well run and coaches were involved and breaking things down not running line drills. Consensus was not a money grab and they clearly know what they are doing. Haus and Ford were there coaching so clearly Loyola is in the MIAA game full throttle once again. Only time will tell on this one.
Not invite only - flyer for event was online and anyone could sign up.
Can you share the website / link? Want my son to go to the next one. Is this for 2029's only or 2028's or 2030's?
Not invite only - flyer for event was online and anyone could sign up.
Can you share the website / link? Want my son to go to the next one. Is this for 2029's only or 2028's or 2030's?
Ryleigh's has been in lax game for years just at college and post collegiate level. Very good team and won the big east club club league a few years back over Long Island team. Owner and some guys he played with coach them and treat them very well from what employees/my daughter tell me as she worked there. Looks like youth movement is coming.
Ryleigh's owner is a Loyola Alumni and his step son is a 2029 so he clearly has interest.
Where is that brochure posted online? They don't seem to have a website up yet.
Where is that brochure posted online? They don't seem to have a website up yet.
The coalescing may have begun. Looks like they have some big money behind this team as well like Roseda Beef which is a Loyola family as the dad played at Loyola and so did one of his boys.. An announcement was made about them being the official something for Shuckers Lacrosse. They are releasing photos of gear that is all Nike. Nike did sign Loyola to a huge contract so perhaps its all connected as some suspect.
It's 100% attached to Loyola and being used as a way for Varsity Coaches (Spencer Ford, etc.) to get a glimpse of kids and start the recruiting process with families to get them to come to Loyola. Similar to what Hilgy and McDonogh do as well. What is perplexing is that the two individual dads who are coordinating everything have sons on Predators who don't even see the field. Same old story....sons can't win with their current club team (Predators)...start a new one! We have seen this story play out before in Bmore.
At what age group do high schools start taking an interest in terms of recruiting? I would think it's 8th grade year but maybe it's earlier than that?
I have been told the 28’s are so deep most schools will only have room for 1-2 29’s. Additionally the 28’s have been labeled as the best class across the board in the last 10 years.
Where is that brochure posted online? They don't seem to have a website up yet.
So there's a bunch of pieces to this.
1) Ryleigh's Oyster is owned by Loyola alums who are major donors to the athletic program. Roseda Beef, the same.
2) At the workout last night was not only Spencer Ford, but HC Will Haus AND athletic director Blake Henry
3) The two Pick Me Dads were buzzing around, but aren't they the dads who moved from Koopers to True to Preds already? I almost wonder if they'd like to stick it to Preds, who ate up Koopers influence on the St. Pauls campus.
4) There's no website and the social media and logo are awful, this will change with a cash infusion.
5) Who was NOT there was Coach Abrams, who was the final Looneys Director.
6) If you think $125 for 4 hours of coaching is a "money grab," good luck with your kid surviving lax through the puberty era. It was almost a convenience fee to get a bunch of email addresses
7) To that point, it was 2027, 2028, and 2029. Based on Helmets, The 2029 talent was the "best" per age (Crabs, Preds, FCA), the majority of 2028 kids were AA-AAA players (Kelly Post, Preds, Crabs B Team, 91 which is basically a AA team), and the 2027 kids were randoms from True or wherever. Probably looking for a better team for this summer.
8) The idea that Loyola is "identifying talent" for the school's program is hard to believe. The MIAA-A programs recruit a handful of kids, and everybody else they give a positive word to during admissions/prospects, and then see if they get admitted, and see how they do in tryouts. The freshman class at Loyola or Calvert Hall will have minimum of 60 active club lax players each. Only about 30 will even make a team in 9th grade. The Loyola AD is not out there in 40 degree weather at 730pm, looking at 7th graders to be recruited for 9th grade, come on, be serious.
Clearly this is the next iteration of Predators, Greene Turtle, Looneys, Koopers, etc. I imagine it will have all the positives and negatives of those clubs, would be fun to rattle off the list.
Enough about Shuckers and Loyola!
HOCO season is about to start.......any predictions?
Anyone heard about Red Hots entering HOCO?
Enough about Shuckers and Loyola!
HOCO season is about to start.......any predictions?
Anyone heard about Red Hots entering HOCO?
heard they were at the 28s but nothing about the 29s
With regard to Shuckers I'd have to disagree with a couple points above. Loyola staff is there to identify, work with and recruit that's SIMPLE. There's nothing wrong with that and good for them for doing the work. Just looked up their social media and yeah you can tell its just getting started but I kinda like the simple old school logo and gear is crisp and clean quality plus its Nike. I hope they get going because the boys (and girsl) can use more quality instruction and coaching as the game grows. But what do I know! I'm on Back of the Cage!
Enough about Shuckers and Loyola!
HOCO season is about to start.......any predictions?
Anyone heard about Red Hots entering HOCO?
Red Hots is not entering HOCO. They are exploring adding a team in Maryland but don't have any players or coaches as of yet.
The handful of maryland players that play for Red Hots National already play for elite MD programs. I don't see them leaving those programs to join a startup.
Red Hots National is going to play in a couple of MD tourneys this spring/summer.
The Hots starting a MD team seems impossible now. They just lost just about every Baltimore player they had to Shuckers and even a few PA boys so a shift is coming just maybe not this spring season.
The Hots starting a MD team seems impossible now. They just lost just about every Baltimore player they had to Shuckers and even a few PA boys so a shift is coming just maybe not this spring season.
To date, Shuckers is not planning a full time club team. More of a tournament team that plays a few times a year.
The Hots starting a MD team seems impossible now. They just lost just about every Baltimore player they had to Shuckers and even a few PA boys so a shift is coming just maybe not this spring season.
That’s not saying much, they take anyone that signs up. If you weren’t asked to play your just an investor. Their impact players are 28’s.
The Hots starting a MD team seems impossible now. They just lost just about every Baltimore player they had to Shuckers and even a few PA boys so a shift is coming just maybe not this spring season.
Any player Red Hots lost to shuckers was not an Elite player anyways. They have 50 more players to pull from.
The Hots starting a MD team seems impossible now. They just lost just about every Baltimore player they had to Shuckers and even a few PA boys so a shift is coming just maybe not this spring season.
To date, Shuckers is not planning a full time club team. More of a tournament team that plays a few times a year.
Excellent caveat and you are probably right "for now," but the fact that the entire Loyola staff is attending these workouts tells me that at least *somebody* has a different model in mind than just "let's break even." When's the last time you saw a school's athletic director stand around for a middle school event where no one stood to make any money or find new students (most of the kids working out were already Loyola students).
Down the street, You've got Sett and Hilgartner bringing in $80K+ per team for Predators, and club/camp ownership has made Millon a millionaire. I think that's an important data point to consider if you are WIll Haus or Blake Henry. You can guarantee other coaches (and wannabe club coaches) are telling them to take advantage of the side benefits of their new positions.
You're right though, best to let it exist innocently for as long as it can. Why not?
The coalescing may have begun. Looks like they have some big money behind this team as well like Roseda Beef which is a Loyola family as the dad played at Loyola and so did one of his boys.. An announcement was made about them being the official something for Shuckers Lacrosse. They are releasing photos of gear that is all Nike. Nike did sign Loyola to a huge contract so perhaps its all connected as some suspect.
It's 100% attached to Loyola and being used as a way for Varsity Coaches (Spencer Ford, etc.) to get a glimpse of kids and start the recruiting process with families to get them to come to Loyola. Similar to what Hilgy and McDonogh do as well. What is perplexing is that the two individual dads who are coordinating everything have sons on Predators who don't even see the field. Same old story....sons can't win with their current club team (Predators)...start a new one! We have seen this story play out before in Bmore.
At what age group do high schools start taking an interest in terms of recruiting? I would think it's 8th grade year but maybe it's earlier than that?
I have been told the 28’s are so deep most schools will only have room for 1-2 29’s. Additionally the 28’s have been labeled as the best class across the board in the last 10 years.
This is a fact. All the money is going to the 28’s!
The coalescing may have begun. Looks like they have some big money behind this team as well like Roseda Beef which is a Loyola family as the dad played at Loyola and so did one of his boys.. An announcement was made about them being the official something for Shuckers Lacrosse. They are releasing photos of gear that is all Nike. Nike did sign Loyola to a huge contract so perhaps its all connected as some suspect.
It's 100% attached to Loyola and being used as a way for Varsity Coaches (Spencer Ford, etc.) to get a glimpse of kids and start the recruiting process with families to get them to come to Loyola. Similar to what Hilgy and McDonogh do as well. What is perplexing is that the two individual dads who are coordinating everything have sons on Predators who don't even see the field. Same old story....sons can't win with their current club team (Predators)...start a new one! We have seen this story play out before in Bmore.
At what age group do high schools start taking an interest in terms of recruiting? I would think it's 8th grade year but maybe it's earlier than that?
I have been told the 28’s are so deep most schools will only have room for 1-2 29’s. Additionally the 28’s have been labeled as the best class across the board in the last 10 years.
This is a fact. All the money is going to the 28’s!
It's spaces, not money.
First of all, nobody's getting serious money for lax until they make varsity. Even then, 90% of varsity players receive between $0 and $2500 discount. On top of another $2500 they may be getting for academics. The cheapest MIAA-A school is probably St. Mary's at around $15K. So yeah, $2500 makes a dent but there's no (or few) 2027s walking the halls of Spalding, BL, or McDonogh who are paying pennies on the dollar this year. True for the 2028s and all their talent next year, as well. Do any of us think Brendan Millon, as a 2025 and obvious top 10 national recruit, is paying a dime to attend McDonogh this year? No. But there's a big gap between "the #2 2029 middie on Crabs" and Brendan Millon.
Second, at least in the Baltimore Lax Sphere, the vast majority of the 2028 lax kids who are going to private school for HS have already been at private school since at least Covid if not before. St. Pauls, McDonogh, BL, and GIlman each have 20+ 2028 club lax players attending 8th grade....Loyola has 40. The bulk of FCA (upper team), Crabs, and 91 are all in private schools that continue through 12th grade. An increasing number of Hawks players attend Baltimore private schools as well......
A final thought......since this time last year, there's been a growing # of talented 2028 and 2029 FCA, Crabs, Predators players who have been denied admission to their school(s) of choice....that factoid is for the "everybody gets in if you can pay" and "academics don't matter when my son has a 80mph shot" crowd.
About 10% of what you read above is accurate. This is going to be fun. Wait for it. DATE STAMP: 2/7/24
What percent of the stars at the top private schools were actually recruited to and play for that school's middle school?
About 10% of what you read above is accurate. This is going to be fun. Wait for it. DATE STAMP: 2/7/24
I'm sorry you've been led to believe that mommy's special little guy is going to get a full ride to a national top 50 lax program/prep school in 9th grade.
So Which part is inaccurate?
-that almost nobody gets a full ride in lacrosse
-that MIAA-A schools in Baltimore get to pick applicants, and some good athletes simply don't get accepted (and many non-athletes do).
-that most upper level Baltimore area players are already at private schools by 8th grade, at least for the 2028 and 2029 classes
Those are not exactly hot takes. In fact they are pretty lame and boring facts.
But sure, screen shot it, so you can prove some obtuse point 13 months from now, when according to the Oracle of Elite Lax (yourself), Boys Latin expels its entire 2029 student body, and replaces them en masse, not with their Canadian boarding school laxers, but - plot twist - with a bunch of amazing athletes from Carroll and Cecil County Public Schools, all of whom will be attending for free, due to their secret eliteness that no one had noticed before. DATE STAMP lolololololololol
When some teams carry a roster of 50+ then all of them. Lol
If a kid does not play on an elite team, what is the possibility he will play for an MIAA lacrosse powerhouse
When some teams carry a roster of 50+ then all of them. Lol
Yeah there's some interesting math that could lead people to different conclusions. Two examples:
Calvert Hall: All new 9th graders (about 200, half of whom play club lax, admission rate is 30-45% depending on the year). 140-150 kids try out annually for about 95-105 spots on Fr/So, JV, and Varsity.
Loyola: 9th grade brings in about 90 kids from Loyola MS (half of them play club lax at some level), and another 90 kids from outside (admission rate is 20-30% depending on the year, about half of these play club lax at some level). 130-150 kids try out annually for about 100-105 spots on Fr/So, JV, and Varsity.
An important point way in the weeds here is that a fair number of club players in 8th grade do not even try out in 9th grade. Most of them don't go back to tryouts in 10th grade or later, either. I'm sure that won't happen to any of our sons (lol) but it happens every year at every WCAC/IAC/MIAA school.
If a kid does not play on an elite team, what is the possibility he will play for an MIAA lacrosse powerhouse
You have to square, as a parent, that there's three types of involvement once your kid makes one of these mega rosters. Starting, contributing, and reserve. And unless you're a major donor to the school, it's up to your son to distinguish himself and determine which level he's at, on the roster.
Those 3 levels of play within the MIAA roster will roughly line up with the level of "eliteness" of their club teams. Sometimes the coaches do fall victim to "Shiny Helmet Syndrome" and just guess that a kid with a Crabs helmet is by default, a great athlete, but starting in HS that usually gets sussed out. So, if your son plays for Zingos in 11th grade will he start at an MIAA-A school? Almost 100% no. But he could easily be a reserve player on the bench. For some kids, that is the worst possible outcome. Other kids are tolerant of that role, if they love the team and the team's culture.
However it's important to note that a kid's level of Hoco league play through 8th grade has about zero impact on his potential to play a role as he moves into varsity play in 10th or 11th grade. There's a lot of time, weight room (if he hits it), testosterone, and training between now and when he will realistically make a MIAA-A varsity roster. Also worth considering that many (not all) of the elite clubs will dump their youth rosters between 8th and 10th grade, in favor of out-of-town, proven talent that will help the club shine at NLF and help win the social media game. Crabs, 91, and FCA all have random kids from Texas and New Hampshire and everywhere inbetween (for all you hardo dads who insist your kid "just cannot ever" miss practice, how many 91 MD practices do you think a New Hampshire boarding school student is attending?). In short, it is going to change a lot, in a short amount of time.
And here's the real heresy: there are MIAA players who ride the varsity bench for 3 years and still play in college. There are MIAA players who got cut in 9th and 10th grade and still played D1 (they grew). There are MIAA starters who get recruited to D1 and decide not to play AT ALL. I met a Top 160 / All American kid at the beach last year and he was surprised to get into UC Berkeley, which obviously has no varsity lax, but he was ecstatic to get into his dream school so that was the end of that (he did say he was looking forward to dominating club lax).
Don't get terribly hung up on the inevitability of any of this. Even though I am 100% Team Hit the Wall.
As a parent it is great to dream that your kid will be a chosen one for high school and college. The reality is that there are to many factors in play to really know what will happen. The more I get to know players and parents alike, i hear more and more stories of the mental and psychological toll it takes on players. College and now highschool is a business more than a right of passage in college sports especially int he advent of NIL. I do believe in hit the wall and getting after it, but if that's what you want (parent) then you do it. if the kid wants it they will do it. #millionstobemadeinlax
Does this change if he is a goalie?
Does this change if he is a goalie?
goalies are already mentally ill weirdos so prob zero impact on them
Does this change if he is a goalie?
goalies are already mentally ill weirdos so prob zero impact on them
Goalie and Goalie Coach here, and it's kind of true.
The last two grad classes of goalies at Loyola were composed of 5 varsity goalies. Only 2 ever played in a varsity game. All 5 received D1 offers, but I'm not sure they were great offers or there was a love connection between each of the 5 goalies, and the interested college. Somebody more in the know on Chestnut Ave could update my info based on where the five goalies actually ended up attending/playing/not playing.
[quote=Anonymous]I met a Top 160 / All American kid at the beach last year and he was surprised to get into UC Berkeley, which obviously has no varsity lax, but he was ecstatic to get into his dream school so that was the end of that (he did say he was looking forward to dominating club lax).
HC at Cal is Ned Webster, a BL alum who played at Notre Dame. Kid could do a lot worse for a college lax experience.
Does this change if he is a goalie?
goalies are already mentally ill weirdos so prob zero impact on them
Goalie and Goalie Coach here, and it's kind of true.
The last two grad classes of goalies at Loyola were composed of 5 varsity goalies. Only 2 ever played in a varsity game. All 5 received D1 offers, but I'm not sure they were great offers or there was a love connection between each of the 5 goalies, and the interested college. Somebody more in the know on Chestnut Ave could update my info based on where the five goalies actually ended up attending/playing/not playing.
No chance this is true! Loyola Blakefield has had 1 Division goalie in the past 4 years.
2020 Class - Ellington (Delaware) - Played FCA
2021 Class - Webb (Hopkins) - Played FCA
2022 Class - ??
2023 Class - O'Connor (PGing) - Played Team 91 MD
2023 Class - Wright (Mount St. Marys) - Played Looneys
2024 Class - Donovan / Cook - Both committed D3
In Baltimore/Annapolis yes the 2028 class is loaded with talent.
In the DMV the 2028 class - no so much.
Both will have an impact on the 2029s - it just depends on where you live.
Baltimore/Annapolis has a lot more 15 year old 2028s than DMV.
In Baltimore/Annapolis yes the 2028 class is loaded with talent.
In the DMV the 2028 class - no so much.
Both will have an impact on the 2029s - it just depends on where you live.
Any guess on which MIAA schools have the most 2028 talent?
In Baltimore/Annapolis yes the 2028 class is loaded with talent.
In the DMV the 2028 class - no so much.
Both will have an impact on the 2029s - it just depends on where you live.
Any guess on which MIAA schools have the most 2028 talent?
Don't the letters go out this week?
Does this change if he is a goalie?
goalies are already mentally ill weirdos so prob zero impact on them
Goalie and Goalie Coach here, and it's kind of true.
The last two grad classes of goalies at Loyola were composed of 5 varsity goalies. Only 2 ever played in a varsity game. All 5 received D1 offers, but I'm not sure they were great offers or there was a love connection between each of the 5 goalies, and the interested college. Somebody more in the know on Chestnut Ave could update my info based on where the five goalies actually ended up attending/playing/not playing.
No chance this is true! Loyola Blakefield has had 1 Division goalie in the past 4 years.
2020 Class - Ellington (Delaware) - Played FCA
2021 Class - Webb (Hopkins) - Played FCA
2022 Class - ??
2023 Class - O'Connor (PGing) - Played Team 91 MD
2023 Class - Wright (Mount St. Marys) - Played Looneys
2024 Class - Donovan / Cook - Both committed D3
Reading comprehension is a great new thing. "D1 OFFERS" and "not sure they were great offers." It would be lunacy to think that MIAA kids are out there just grabbing up any offer from a D1 school. But they're receiving them. That was the point being made.
HOCO 2029
ELITE
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Legends
Madlax
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Next Level
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True Chesapeake Black
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BLC Blue
Carroll Manor
HoCo
ProStart
Shore Kaos
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True NOVA Black
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Coastal Lacrosse Academy
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MDLL Select Red
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Kelly Post Grey
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Team Virginia
The St. James Lacrosse
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Madlax
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True Chesapeake Black
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BLC Blue
Carroll Manor
HoCo
ProStart
Shore Kaos
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True NOVA Black
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Baltimore Swarm
Coastal Lacrosse Academy
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Laytonsville Hippos
MDLL Select Red
Predators Black
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What happened to Crabs/LTLC??
They are no longer called LTLC. They are Legends and will also play some tourneys as 2029 Crabs. After this season, Legends 2029 will transition fully to Crabs 2029.
They are no longer called LTLC. They are Legends and will also play some tourneys as 2029 Crabs. After this season, Legends 2029 will transition fully to Crabs 2029.
And then they will never be heard from again...
So what "rec/club" teams are still left at the elite level? Legends/LTLC might be the only one. I think you have to give credit were credit is due.
They are no longer called LTLC. They are Legends and will also play some tourneys as 2029 Crabs. After this season, Legends 2029 will transition fully to Crabs 2029.
And then they will never be heard from again...
Nah... we will hear about them one more time in a year or two when King Crab decides the teams not good enough for his brand and cuts the entire roster.
They are no longer called LTLC. They are Legends and will also play some tourneys as 2029 Crabs. After this season, Legends 2029 will transition fully to Crabs 2029.
Any idea why they would play under two names?
They are no longer called LTLC. They are Legends and will also play some tourneys as 2029 Crabs. After this season, Legends 2029 will transition fully to Crabs 2029.
Any idea why they would play under two names?
Somewhat different roster and different coaches. The team is turning into Crabs but the LTLC coaches and some of the players arent going.
They are no longer called LTLC. They are Legends and will also play some tourneys as 2029 Crabs. After this season, Legends 2029 will transition fully to Crabs 2029.
Any idea why they would play under two names?
Somewhat different roster and different coaches. The team is turning into Crabs but the LTLC coaches and some of the players arent going.
So they’re going through the molting process?
That doesn't make any sense. "Legends" is LTLC, playing as Crabs in a few tournaments. Exact same players and coaches. Next year they will be 2029 Crabs full time.
They are no longer called LTLC. They are Legends and will also play some tourneys as 2029 Crabs. After this season, Legends 2029 will transition fully to Crabs 2029.
Any idea why they would play under two names?
Somewhat different roster and different coaches. The team is turning into Crabs but the LTLC coaches and some of the players arent going.
So they’re going through the molting process?
Yeah and I believe a few in the molting process turned into 28’s
Crabs hasn’t had a 2029 team for a few years (imploded by coaching issues a few years ago…refer to previous posts) and they needed representation at their tournaments. Some players LTLC added were some previous crabs 2029 players. LTLC will play in hoco and a few tournaments. Crabs will represent in other crabs tournaments. In 8th grade it will just be Crabs only. All it takes is a few searches to figure it out. LTLC ends in 8th grade if they can field teams. Bang for your buck in getting started early in youth lacrosse LTLC is a great program. As players get older depending on the team, the competition and play is better at some pay to play club levels. The LTLC program has a storied lineage of great players including Kyle Harrison, Ryan Conrad, McCabe Millon, Kelly Boys, and many more. 3, 2, 1, queue the “make yourself feel better comments” because we all know what is expected at the BOTC board.
King Crab has struggled to put together a 2029 team since the collapse three years ago. He finally went the way of paying a coaching to bring his team over, but it is a process. Surprised Legends/LTLC coach did this after keeping together the core for so long. Will be sad when new blood / holdbacks come in at 8th grade and the original team is drastically overhauled.
That doesn't make any sense. "Legends" is LTLC, playing as Crabs in a few tournaments. Exact same players and coaches. Next year they will be 2029 Crabs full time.
That doesn't make any sense. "Legends" is LTLC, playing as Crabs in a few tournaments. Exact same players and coaches. Next year they will be 2029 Crabs full time.
That doesn't make any sense. "Legends" is LTLC, playing as Crabs in a few tournaments. Exact same players and coaches. Next year they will be 2029 Crabs full time.
The LTLC coaches are NOT becoming Crabs coaches and not all players will either be offered / or accept offers to play for Crabs.
It's a transition year. The agreement was reached in order to keep all parties happy. Crabs gets their 29 team. LTLC families who have no intention of spending $2K per year for club lax get one last year of quasi-rec lax and kids not fully up to Crabs standards get to play a final season with LTLC.
How does this not make sense? You've got a 2029 Hoco league Elite team in a rec club with no teams after 8th grade. You have a club program that goes into high school without a 2029 team. The flip kind of makes sense. What's option two? Let the team blow up by giving the players no choice but to try out elsewhere. I doubt anyone is getting paid out of this. If so, instead of this part time stuff, why wouldn't the LTLC team have just left right away like every other talented rec team seems to do when they play at a high level. Crabs held tryouts several times and couldn't get enough talent at the 2029 level to field a team. This gives them a ready-built team. When holdbacks return next year, kids will get cut to make room. Same thing will happen to kids at FCA and 91 as well.
I know little about about LTLC and why they stayed, but i will say every year I notice and less and less rec/club teams sticking around and folding providing little access to those that just want to play lax with out having to deal with the "politics" that club lacrosse brings. I think LTLC has provided a good product at this age. I wonder do any of the bigger tournaments allow rec teams in that are at a higher level or are rec programs frowned upon (genuiely don't know)? Maybe that's why there is a hybrid model. Only respectful comments please. #it'sonly7thgrade
I know little about about LTLC and why they stayed, but i will say every year I notice and less and less rec/club teams sticking around and folding providing little access to those that just want to play lax with out having to deal with the "politics" that club lacrosse brings. I think LTLC has provided a good product at this age. I wonder do any of the bigger tournaments allow rec teams in that are at a higher level or are rec programs frowned upon (genuiely don't know)? Maybe that's why there is a hybrid model. Only respectful comments please. #it'sonly7thgrade
I know a couple of the LTLC families who's sons are talented enough to play for an Elite level club.
They like this transition for a couple of reasons...
1. They like their current LTLC coaches
2. They like the other families and players on the team and know some of those kids won't make it on Crabs.
3. They like spending a fraction of the Club team cost.
4. But they recognize they need to move their kids to an elite club team for high school and this solution allows most of the core of the team to remain intact.
This was the compromise that it took for the LTLC team to agree to transition to Crabs. Crabs would have made the change effective immediately but LTLC wanted a transition year.
Makes perfect sense to me.
I know little about about LTLC and why they stayed, but i will say every year I notice and less and less rec/club teams sticking around and folding providing little access to those that just want to play lax with out having to deal with the "politics" that club lacrosse brings. I think LTLC has provided a good product at this age. I wonder do any of the bigger tournaments allow rec teams in that are at a higher level or are rec programs frowned upon (genuiely don't know)? Maybe that's why there is a hybrid model. Only respectful comments please. #it'sonly7thgrade
I know a couple of the LTLC families who's sons are talented enough to play for an Elite level club.
They like this transition for a couple of reasons...
1. They like their current LTLC coaches
2. They like the other families and players on the team and know some of those kids won't make it on Crabs.
3. They like spending a fraction of the Club team cost.
4. But they recognize they need to move their kids to an elite club team for high school and this solution allows most of the core of the team to remain intact.
This was the compromise that it took for the LTLC team to agree to transition to Crabs. Crabs would have made the change effective immediately but LTLC wanted a transition year.
Makes perfect sense to me.
This makes sense. Thank you for posting.
Sounds Smart to me. Ok let's move on. Can't wait for the schedule to come out for HOCO. Let the games begin.
What teams are attending the Spring Thaw and Next Level one day tournaments in March? Those are usually the warm up tournaments before HOCO.
King Crab has struggled to put together a 2029 team since the collapse three years ago. He finally went the way of paying a coaching to bring his team over, but it is a process. Surprised Legends/LTLC coach did this after keeping together the core for so long. Will be sad when new blood / holdbacks come in at 8th grade and the original team is drastically overhauled.
King Crab knows what he is doing. Team will be top team and parents will be smiling as their sons get offers of D1
What teams are attending the Spring Thaw and Next Level one day tournaments in March? Those are usually the warm up tournaments before HOCO.
Red Hots National and Nationals LC are both attending Next Level LC.
King Crab has struggled to put together a 2029 team since the collapse three years ago. He finally went the way of paying a coaching to bring his team over, but it is a process. Surprised Legends/LTLC coach did this after keeping together the core for so long. Will be sad when new blood / holdbacks come in at 8th grade and the original team is drastically overhauled.
King Crab knows what he is doing. Team will be top team and parents will be smiling as their sons get offers of D1
Any 2029 Crabs players who get D1 offers aren't on the roster today.
King Crab will turn that roster over and replace these kids with out of towners who also board at BL.
What teams are attending the Spring Thaw and Next Level one day tournaments in March? Those are usually the warm up tournaments before HOCO.
Red Hots National and Nationals LC are both attending Next Level LC.
interesting considering a lot of their top players are on HOCO teams attending this as well. I guess they move down the 100 player list.
What teams are attending the Spring Thaw and Next Level one day tournaments in March? Those are usually the warm up tournaments before HOCO.
Red Hots National and Nationals LC are both attending Next Level LC.
interesting considering a lot of their top players are on HOCO teams attending this as well. I guess they move down the 100 player list.
Key word " Top Players", now have your son hit the wall.
What teams are attending the Spring Thaw and Next Level one day tournaments in March? Those are usually the warm up tournaments before HOCO.
Red Hots National and Nationals LC are both attending Next Level LC.
interesting considering a lot of their top players are on HOCO teams attending this as well. I guess they move down the 100 player list.
Key word " Top Players", now have your son hit the wall.
If top player is on 2 or more teams, can parents be forced to wear a clown suit? Asking for a friend.
What teams are attending the Spring Thaw and Next Level one day tournaments in March? Those are usually the warm up tournaments before HOCO.
Red Hots National and Nationals LC are both attending Next Level LC.
interesting considering a lot of their top players are on HOCO teams attending this as well. I guess they move down the 100 player list.
Key word " Top Players", now have your son hit the wall.
If top player is on 2 or more teams, can parents be forced to wear a clown suit? Asking for a friend.
Only if the parent of the kid is on the 50-100 section of their rosters. Big red shoes and a big red nose please.
Spring Thaw schedule is out:
2029AA
Annapolis Hawks 2029 Green
Madlax Capital
NXT 2029 Black
Prime Time
True Chesapeake 2029 Black
WHALERS
2029A
Annapolis Hawks 2029 Black
Carroll Manor 2029
NXT 2029 Silver
Red Hots 2029 Black
True Baltimore 2029 Black
True Chesapeake 2029 Green
I’ll start, Hoco preseason predictions;
1)NL. Redemption year
2)True. Improved drastically
3)ML. Based on reputation
4)Hawks. Stayed the same
5)Predators. Surprise surprise
6)Legends. Lost talent
7)?
8)91. Same results
I’ll start, Hoco preseason predictions;
1)NL. Redemption year
2)True. Improved drastically
3)ML. Based on reputation
4)Hawks. Stayed the same
5)Predators. Surprise surprise
6)Legends. Lost talent
7)?
8)91. Same results
Any of those top 4 could take it this year. Lots of parity.
IS 7 FCA? I think there will be a lot of good games this year. I am not going to make a prediction.
I’ll start, Hoco preseason predictions;
1)NL. Redemption year
2)True. Improved drastically
3)ML. Based on reputation
4)Hawks. Stayed the same
5)Predators. Surprise surprise
6)Legends. Lost talent
7)?
8)91. Same results
Any of those top 4 could take it this year. Lots of parity.
Very interesting predictions...............I'll go with:
1) Hawks (Still the Champs...new coaching could take them to next level or miss daddy ball / relationships)
2) True (VLC merger brought them the most new talent of any team.....THANK VLC)
3) Next Level (Everyone stays healthy this year and they have a chance)
4) FCA (Just missed out last year. Will be in the mix)
5) Madlax (From what I have heard, they didn't improve. Same team.)
6) Legends / Crabs (Lost talent, missing best midfielder for spring)
7) Predators (Welcome to Elite!)
8) 91 (Ton of turnover and new faces. Not a lot of talent upgrade)
Did NL add new players? Lost to ML and split with Hawk.
1)NL - the new hotness. Everyone trying to latch on with a winner before DC express enters the picture
2)Hawks - Champs
3)ML - about to implode like all ML teams before 8th grade
4)FCA - sure why not
5)Legends - can’t be worse than the other three
6)Preds - who’d have thunk it
7)True - uh oh…can’t have holdbacks in HOCO. Different team than the tournament team
8)91 - god bless these boys
1)NL - the new hotness. Everyone trying to latch on with a winner before DC express enters the picture
2)Hawks - Champs
3)ML - about to implode like all ML teams before 8th grade
4)FCA - sure why not
5)Legends - can’t be worse than the other three
6)Preds - who’d have thunk it
7)True - uh oh…can’t have holdbacks in HOCO. Different team than the tournament team
8)91 - god bless these boys
True will have the exact same team in HOCO than they had in fall tournaments. Someone's worried.....
Half the ML kids are already out the door, expect fly ins this summer. Back door deals have already started, if you haven’t heard anything yet. You probably won’t!
Hawks.
Madlax
NL
Predators
True
Fca
Legends
91
Who is doing the World Series this year?
Hawks.
Madlax
NL
Predators
True
Fca
Legends
91
Good one Predators Dad, now stop smoking crack.
ML is having all sorts of problems across multiple age groups....all the way down to the youngsters. 28 exodus of 11 players eclipsed the 24s and more movement is expected from the original squad. The ML 26 free fall is ongoing as they just lost their remaining best player to NL. This implosion has taken longer but is larger than the 24s as well. I'm hearing the ML 29 move will be the biggest move yet. #popcorn
1)NL - the new hotness. Everyone trying to latch on with a winner before DC express enters the picture
2)Hawks - Champs
3)ML - about to implode like all ML teams before 8th grade
4)FCA - sure why not
5)Legends - can’t be worse than the other three
6)Preds - who’d have thunk it
7)True - uh oh…can’t have holdbacks in HOCO. Different team than the tournament team
8)91 - god bless these boys
True will have the exact same team in HOCO than they had in fall tournaments. Someone's worried.....
Oh please, the skepticism is warranted, True Maryland is one of the only clubs in the DMV that has a well documented history of serial roster violations across multiple teams across multiple age groups. I've seen a goalie play multiple Hoco games in a day, at 2 age groups, on 2 True teams I've seen their teams thrown out of tournaments mid-day, and I was there to see one of their HoCo teams have 6 starters told by refs to leave the field due to failing a roster check. I Of course the True coaches were losing their minds, par for the course. You know, the "unfairness" and what not, and why are they being persecuted etc.
So forgive the other gentlemen if he is skeptical.
1)NL - the new hotness. Everyone trying to latch on with a winner before DC express enters the picture
2)Hawks - Champs
3)ML - about to implode like all ML teams before 8th grade
4)FCA - sure why not
5)Legends - can’t be worse than the other three
6)Preds - who’d have thunk it
7)True - uh oh…can’t have holdbacks in HOCO. Different team than the tournament team
8)91 - god bless these boys
True will have the exact same team in HOCO than they had in fall tournaments. Someone's worried.....
Oh please, the skepticism is warranted, True Maryland is one of the only clubs in the DMV that has a well documented history of serial roster violations across multiple teams across multiple age groups. I've seen a goalie play multiple Hoco games in a day, at 2 age groups, on 2 True teams I've seen their teams thrown out of tournaments mid-day, and I was there to see one of their HoCo teams have 6 starters told by refs to leave the field due to failing a roster check. I Of course the True coaches were losing their minds, par for the course. You know, the "unfairness" and what not, and why are they being persecuted etc.
So forgive the other gentlemen if he is skeptical.
this is the 2029 board dude and any Elite team that has played in 2029 HOCO knows every single kid on that team. You must be a pred dad.
And what is the problem with ML29s that there will be a mass exodus?? Always thought it was a well coached and tight group. What's changed @popcorndouche?
Who is doing the World Series this year?
No one from DMV, we hide behind the HOCO league as a reason we can’t play but reality is too many egos would be hurt if we played on age for once and lost to the teams up North. Sad but true.
Who is doing the World Series this year?
No one from DMV, we hide behind the HOCO league as a reason we can’t play but reality is too many egos would be hurt if we played on age for once and lost to the teams up North. Sad but true.
I think True Chesapeake and Next Level are playing this year.
Thi
Who is doing the World Series this year?
No one from DMV, we hide behind the HOCO league as a reason we can’t play but reality is too many egos would be hurt if we played on age for once and lost to the teams up North. Sad but true.
Inferiority complex?!?! Feel free to stay “up North.”
Hawks.
Madlax
NL
Predators
True
Fca
Legends
91
P-Diddy has a better chance to win the presidency as a write in than Predators does of coming in fourth in hoco.
Hawks.
Madlax
NL
Predators
True
Fca
Legends
91
P-Diddy has a better chance to win the presidency as a write in than Predators does of coming in fourth in hoco.
Sorry Preds are on the move this year. Have some talent. Dont count them out. Reason there is so much talk about them
And what is the problem with ML29s that there will be a mass exodus?? Always thought it was a well coached and tight group. What's changed @popcorndouche?
Nothings changed, the writing has been on the wall. Once they combine to NL or go to DC express, everyone will be put on notice. It’s just a matter of who they combine with, NL is working hard on it having the kids on the Mojo team.
Hawks.
Madlax
NL
Predators
True
Fca
Legends
91
P-Diddy has a better chance to win the presidency as a write in than Predators does of coming in fourth in hoco.
Sorry Preds are on the move this year. Have some talent. Dont count them out. Reason there is so much talk about them
Preds will need to rise quite a bit to even win a game this year. Moving to Elite is difficult. Kudos to them for trying it out:
Current Rankings:
1) True Chesapeake - #11
2) MadLax - #13
3) Next Level - #17
4) Hawks - #18
5) FCA - #22
6) Legends - N/A
7) Team 91 - #74
8) Predators-#82 (Lost to TC 12-1, Lost to NL 11-3, Lost to Legends 10-5)
Hawks.
Madlax
NL
Predators
True
Fca
Legends
91
P-Diddy has a better chance to win the presidency as a write in than Predators does of coming in fourth in hoco.
Sorry Preds are on the move this year. Have some talent. Dont count them out. Reason there is so much talk about them
Preds will need to rise quite a bit to even win a game this year. Moving to Elite is difficult. Kudos to them for trying it out:
Current Rankings:
1) True Chesapeake - #11
2) MadLax - #13
3) Next Level - #17
4) Hawks - #18
5) FCA - #22
6) Legends - N/A
7) Team 91 - #74
8) Predators-#82 (Lost to TC 12-1, Lost to NL 11-3, Lost to Legends 10-5)
The problem here is if you get boat raced in every game during the season what does the really do to develop players? Kids learn by being in close games and learning from those win or lose. Getting crushed or crushing another team does nothing for development.
Congrats to Preds for moving up and getting after it. Nothing is guaranteed as we enter this age and above teams will struggle and change. The difference between Preds and 91 is that preds won their league last year and want to move to (much) better competition while 91 has always struggled and refuses to see how they compete at the AAA. I am not saying Preds will do well just applauding the chance to TRY the next level.
Question - If 91 dropped to AAA how would they stand?
Annapolis Hawks Black
Bethesda Blue
Carroll Manor
HoCo
ProStart
Shore Kaos
True NOVA Black
Preds Black / Team MD White
Congrats to Preds for moving up and getting after it. Nothing is guaranteed as we enter this age and above teams will struggle and change. The difference between Preds and 91 is that preds won their league last year and want to move to (much) better competition while 91 has always struggled and refuses to see how they compete at the AAA. I am not saying Preds will do well just applauding the chance to TRY the next level.
Question - If 91 dropped to AAA how would they stand?
Annapolis Hawks Black
Bethesda Blue
Carroll Manor
HoCo
ProStart
Shore Kaos
True NOVA Black
Preds Black / Team MD White
I'm guessing no one can answer this because the 91 team gets crushed every year, parents get upset and leave, and a fresh group comes in.
Thi
Who is doing the World Series this year?
No one from DMV, we hide behind the HOCO league as a reason we can’t play but reality is too many egos would be hurt if we played on age for once and lost to the teams up North. Sad but true.
Inferiority complex?!?! Feel free to stay “up North.”
Inferiority? Not at all, quite the opposite. The only way your teams can compete with us is by playing holdbacks. So you guys cheat and refuse to show up for a tournament that is on age. You’re sad.
Speaking of 91, McCabe Millon is crushing it at UVA. The best 20 yr old freshman in college right now!
Speaking of Millon. Why is it that no stats sites post players DOB? I know it's not a big deal in college. Why is it so hidden? Embaressment? Asking foe a friend.
Speaking of Millon. Why is it that no stats sites post players DOB? I know it's not a big deal in college. Why is it so hidden? Embaressment? Asking foe a friend.
Lacrosse has a problem with holdbacks and they do what they can to keep it in the dark,
Thi
Who is doing the World Series this year?
No one from DMV, we hide behind the HOCO league as a reason we can’t play but reality is too many egos would be hurt if we played on age for once and lost to the teams up North. Sad but true.
Inferiority complex?!?! Feel free to stay “up North.”
Inferiority? Not at all, quite the opposite. The only way your teams can compete with us is by playing holdbacks. So you guys cheat and refuse to show up for a tournament that is on age. You’re sad.
This age froup now has age limitations (thankfully). So why does the World Series matter to anyone at this point? All events should fall under the same age guidelines, no?
Speaking of Millon. Why is it that no stats sites post players DOB? I know it's not a big deal in college. Why is it so hidden? Embaressment? Asking foe a friend.
The reason is, that Duke did it and the uproar was heard everywhere . It was hilarious the amount of on age to their college year players there was,,,in hilarious, how few.
It was eye opening to me, as I heard for years how it was only a few, that was a big falsehood tale
I remember looking thinking, Is there anyone on age ...I did find a few
Any updates from Next Level Invitational? I believe TC and NL were both playing.
Speaking of Millon. Why is it that no stats sites post players DOB? I know it's not a big deal in college. Why is it so hidden? Embaressment? Asking foe a friend.
Lacrosse has a problem with holdbacks and they do what they can to keep it in the dark,
Maybe it is because people realize this information is irrelevant and protected PII that has no business being published on the Internet.
I did look at other sports and colleges and many do list the DOB for players. They also list where they grew up and who their families are. I guess that's not protected information.
Any updates from Next Level Invitational? I believe TC and NL were both playing.
TC went 0-3 NL went 3-1
Speaking of Millon. Why is it that no stats sites post players DOB? I know it's not a big deal in college. Why is it so hidden? Embaressment? Asking foe a friend.
Lacrosse has a problem with holdbacks and they do what they can to keep it in the dark,
Maybe it is because people realize this information is irrelevant and protected PII that has no business being published on the Internet.
Thanks Holdback dad, It was a simple question, For many years it was right there on their bio, no big deal. Now, with lacrosse leading the way ( I know others do it too) but lacrosse has a much higher % of impact players held back by a mile !
Frankly it works to a degree, how else are you going to make a 5-9/10 little above average athletic player a great player. Hold him back early to get all the attention he would not have with being slightly above average.
For many years it was right there on their bio, no big deal.
"No big deal"
It sounds like you studied Info. Sec. at one of those bankrupt Trump colleges.
What is the benefit of displaying DOB to anyone other than to satisfy whiney parents?
Speaking of Millon. Why is it that no stats sites post players DOB? I know it's not a big deal in college. Why is it so hidden? Embaressment? Asking foe a friend.
Lacrosse has a problem with holdbacks and they do what they can to keep it in the dark,
Maybe it is because people realize this information is irrelevant and protected PII that has no business being published on the Internet.
Thanks Holdback dad, It was a simple question, For many years it was right there on their bio, no big deal. Now, with lacrosse leading the way ( I know others do it too) but lacrosse has a much higher % of impact players held back by a mile !
Frankly it works to a degree, how else are you going to make a 5-9/10 little above average athletic player a great player. Hold him back early to get all the attention he would not have with being slightly above average.
I thought the holdback thing was fixed?
Speaking of Millon. Why is it that no stats sites post players DOB? I know it's not a big deal in college. Why is it so hidden? Embaressment? Asking foe a friend.
Lacrosse has a problem with holdbacks and they do what they can to keep it in the dark,
Maybe it is because people realize this information is irrelevant and protected PII that has no business being published on the Internet.
Thanks Holdback dad, It was a simple question, For many years it was right there on their bio, no big deal. Now, with lacrosse leading the way ( I know others do it too) but lacrosse has a much higher % of impact players held back by a mile !
Frankly it works to a degree, how else are you going to make a 5-9/10 little above average athletic player a great player. Hold him back early to get all the attention he would not have with being slightly above average.
Somebody didn't have a good early spring tournament run this weekend.
ML already lost one player. they wont make NL but maybe they all go to DCE. which brings that 29 BLC team back together.
One ML starter already left.
One ML starter already left.
Is this parent related or organization?
Isn't it always the parents?
One ML starter already left.
Seems like a rumor to me
Tourney Machine is not correct. TC was 1-2.
Who did they beat? LE, NL, or RH Nat?
LE......and Tourney Machine has fixed it now.
Who won the AAA play in game today?
Who won the AAA play in game today?
Team Maryland
Thi
Who is doing the World Series this year?
No one from DMV, we hide behind the HOCO league as a reason we can’t play but reality is too many egos would be hurt if we played on age for once and lost to the teams up North. Sad but true.
Inferiority complex?!?! Feel free to stay “up North.”
Inferiority? Not at all, quite the opposite. The only way your teams can compete with us is by playing holdbacks. So you guys cheat and refuse to show up for a tournament that is on age. You’re sad.
What a boring argument. NY, CT, and MA teams have plenty of academic holdbacks, "late starts" and "pre holdbacks" where the kid is literally playing a year younger than his current grade because parents will "hold him back in the future."
And if you want to pick on the MD HS clubs, namely 91MD and Crabs, let's look under the hood and see all the Philly to MA boarding school kids, almost all holdbacks, who play for Crabs and 91 MD. Why in the world does a 18 year old HS sophomore at a boarding school in New Hampshire need to be on the roster for 91 MD?
Who won the AAA play in game today?
Team Maryland
So Team Maryland goes to AAA and Predators Black goes to AA right?
With the beginning of the HOCO season who ya got in these games
Hawks Vs Preds
FCA vs Legends
NL vs Madlax Cap
And Team 91 will remain undefeated because they don’t play this weekend due to a bye
Thi
Who is doing the World Series this year?
No one from DMV, we hide behind the HOCO league as a reason we can’t play but reality is too many egos would be hurt if we played on age for once and lost to the teams up North. Sad but true.
Inferiority complex?!?! Feel free to stay “up North.”
Inferiority? Not at all, quite the opposite. The only way your teams can compete with us is by playing holdbacks. So you guys cheat and refuse to show up for a tournament that is on age. You’re sad.
What a boring argument. NY, CT, and MA teams have plenty of academic holdbacks, "late starts" and "pre holdbacks" where the kid is literally playing a year younger than his current grade because parents will "hold him back in the future."
And if you want to pick on the MD HS clubs, namely 91MD and Crabs, let's look under the hood and see all the Philly to MA boarding school kids, almost all holdbacks, who play for Crabs and 91 MD. Why in the world does a 18 year old HS sophomore at a boarding school in New Hampshire need to be on the roster for 91 MD?
Well said! My son plays on a national team with kids from Prime Time and Two Way. Parents admit holdbacks are an issue in NY and CT as well. One of the dads was considering enrolling his son in a private school and having his son repeat 7th grade.
I’m not judging either way but pretending holdbacks are exclusively a Maryland phenomenon is ridiculous.
I am judging. Why hold back a kid for a small piece of the pie which will lead to an offer to play for a school with a small percentage of athletic scholarships (12 Scholarships total), that are all ready split up among most of the active roster, which carry over 50 players. And the cherry on top is that a commitment does not mean you will make the roster in the first, 2nd or third year. As of right now high schools do not pay players to play, they might offer financial aid but that does not guarantee they will get anything college. Once in college their H.S. coach can't do or won't do anything. Just saying. Let the kids play and have fun and everything will take care of itself. #growthegame #mentalhealthmatters
MD cannot field a team without holdbacks. You can point “up North” and deflect all you want, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But this is a fact; MD cannot field a WS team with only on-age kids. Obviously NY, PA, NJ, MA and CT can.
That. Is. Irrefutable.
I don't understand the constant comments about the WS. Does it even matter any more since True took control of the tournament a few years ago? Honestly - I've only met a few folks that care about the World Series of Youth Lacrosse - and they generally have a financial stake in it or are the parents of kids that are going through this process for the first time. The WS is on par with a typical Aloha tournament. NAL, NLF, NXT all run much more competitive tournaments, that are "on-age" for 2029s and generally policed pretty well.
Holdbacks are everywhere. They'll be back in 9th grade at our son's 2029 level. Folks can debate it, or say its not right. But it's like arguing if the sun is going to rise in the east or set in the west. Holdbacks aren't going anywhere.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-adults-of-the-youth-lacrosse-world-are-getting-rather-nasty
MD cannot field a team without holdbacks. You can point “up North” and deflect all you want, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But this is a fact; MD cannot field a WS team with only on-age kids. Obviously NY, PA, NJ, MA and CT can.
That. Is. Irrefutable.
They can, and do, just don’t give two craps about that particular event. If that is too hard for you to understand so be it. Go back to your board and spout your nonsense somewhere else “up North” guy.
WS is another money maker for the people that run it. Marketing at it's best. All the tournaments are money makers. There is a reason for so many of them being available. If it didn't make money they wouldn't exist. That's the reality. Lacrosse clubs are not winning prize money from winning tournaments. They get a medal, hat, shirt, and even a maybe a trophy. Tell me of a tournament organizer that does it for the game first then profit second. Many tournaments are cancelled because not enough teams ($$$$$) are registered. This is a business and it has to be seen like that all the way down to the vendors paying to rent space, back door deals to keep the cost down and increase the margins.
With the beginning of the HOCO season who ya got in these games
Hawks Vs Preds
FCA vs Legends
NL vs Madlax Cap
And Team 91 will remain undefeated because they don’t play this weekend due to a bye
Hawks 16 - Preds 4
FCA 10 - Legends 9
NL 13 - Madlax 8
How will playing with a shot clock impact scores for this level? I imagine a little more scoring probably.
With the beginning of the HOCO season who ya got in these games
Hawks Vs Preds
FCA vs Legends
NL vs Madlax Cap
And Team 91 will remain undefeated because they don’t play this weekend due to a bye
Hawks 16 - Preds 4
FCA 10 - Legends 9
NL 13 - Madlax 8
How will playing with a shot clock impact scores for this level? I imagine a little more scoring probably.
Most of these teams played with a shot clock in warm up tourneys and i really didn't notice too much of a difference. I would say 1 or 2 shot clock violations a game. I really like the shot clock edition. I think all clubs have experienced either having one player run around like a mad man for kill time when they're up or chasing that person like a mad man if they were down.
MD cannot field a team without holdbacks. You can point “up North” and deflect all you want, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But this is a fact; MD cannot field a WS team with only on-age kids. Obviously NY, PA, NJ, MA and CT can.
That. Is. Irrefutable.
It's 100% not irrefutable. The fact is that MD "Elite" coaches care waaaay more about the Howard County Spring League than they do WSYL. I get it, you NY'ers are envious of the premier spring lacrosse league in the country.
My kid plays for one of these nationally ranked, top teams and the coach is unwilling to miss the opening weekend. So my son, like a bunch of other kids that I know, will play for a PA based team during the Sunday qualifiers this weekend.
The ONLY "Elite" Maryland club that is fielding a WSYL team is True Chesapeake because they requested and were granted a bye from HOCO for week 1.
MD cannot field a team without holdbacks. You can point “up North” and deflect all you want, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But this is a fact; MD cannot field a WS team with only on-age kids. Obviously NY, PA, NJ, MA and CT can.
That. Is. Irrefutable.
It's 100% not irrefutable. The fact is that MD "Elite" coaches care waaaay more about the Howard County Spring League than they do WSYL. I get it, you NY'ers are envious of the premier spring lacrosse league in the country.
My kid plays for one of these nationally ranked, top teams and the coach is unwilling to miss the opening weekend. So my son, like a bunch of other kids that I know, will play for a PA based team during the Sunday qualifiers this weekend.
The ONLY "Elite" Maryland club that is fielding a WSYL team is True Chesapeake because they requested and were granted a bye from HOCO for week 1.
The only reason True plays in WSYL is because they own the tournament. No one else cares. It is not what it used to be...and is pretty much a joke now. Have fun watching your son play for the PA-based team.
No one cares about the World Series of Lacrosse - tell em your a holdback Dad without telling us you’re a holdback Dad
MD cannot field a team without holdbacks. You can point “up North” and deflect all you want, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But this is a fact; MD cannot field a WS team with only on-age kids. Obviously NY, PA, NJ, MA and CT can.
That. Is. Irrefutable.
It's 100% not irrefutable. The fact is that MD "Elite" coaches care waaaay more about the Howard County Spring League than they do WSYL. I get it, you NY'ers are envious of the premier spring lacrosse league in the country.
My kid plays for one of these nationally ranked, top teams and the coach is unwilling to miss the opening weekend. So my son, like a bunch of other kids that I know, will play for a PA based team during the Sunday qualifiers this weekend.
The ONLY "Elite" Maryland club that is fielding a WSYL team is True Chesapeake because they requested and were granted a bye from HOCO for week 1.
The only reason True plays in WSYL is because they own the tournament. No one else cares. It is not what it used to be...and is pretty much a joke now. Have fun watching your son play for the PA-based team.
True will True and bring in their best players from their national system and claim they are on the Chesapeake roster. Probably still won’t win.
PA team will be just fine. Baltimore, NY and southern NE are within 100 miles of Philly.
MD cannot field a team without holdbacks. You can point “up North” and deflect all you want, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But this is a fact; MD cannot field a WS team with only on-age kids. Obviously NY, PA, NJ, MA and CT can.
That. Is. Irrefutable.
It's 100% not irrefutable. The fact is that MD "Elite" coaches care waaaay more about the Howard County Spring League than they do WSYL. I get it, you NY'ers are envious of the premier spring lacrosse league in the country.
My kid plays for one of these nationally ranked, top teams and the coach is unwilling to miss the opening weekend. So my son, like a bunch of other kids that I know, will play for a PA based team during the Sunday qualifiers this weekend.
The ONLY "Elite" Maryland club that is fielding a WSYL team is True Chesapeake because they requested and were granted a bye from HOCO for week 1.
The only reason True plays in WSYL is because they own the tournament. No one else cares. It is not what it used to be...and is pretty much a joke now. Have fun watching your son play for the PA-based team.
100% false!
Hawks 16 - Preds 2: No surprise....Hawks dominated ever facet of the game. Preds is gonna struggle in Elite. Hawks looked sharp.
Crabs 8 - FCA 6: Were FCA kids on Spring Break? Looked like they had only 16/17 players as a team. Lots of injuries? Crabs offense wasn't pretty, but scored a lot of transition goals. Big loss for FCA.
Next Level 10 - Madlax 6: Madlax came out flying out 5-1 in first quarter and never looked back. Madlax looked very sharp and disciplined on offense. Next Level will rebound and get it together.
Hawks 16 - Preds 2: No surprise....Hawks dominated ever facet of the game. Preds is gonna struggle in Elite. Hawks looked sharp.
Crabs 8 - FCA 6: Were FCA kids on Spring Break? Looked like they had only 16/17 players as a team. Lots of injuries? Crabs offense wasn't pretty, but scored a lot of transition goals. Big loss for FCA.
Next Level 10 - Madlax 6: Madlax came out flying out 5-1 in first quarter and never looked back. Madlax looked very sharp and disciplined on offense. Next Level will rebound and get it together.
Incorrect score....Madlax won 10-6.
Hawks 16 - Preds 2: No surprise....Hawks dominated ever facet of the game. Preds is gonna struggle in Elite. Hawks looked sharp.
Crabs 8 - FCA 6: Were FCA kids on Spring Break? Looked like they had only 16/17 players as a team. Lots of injuries? Crabs offense wasn't pretty, but scored a lot of transition goals. Big loss for FCA.
Next Level 10 - Madlax 6: Madlax came out flying out 5-1 in first quarter and never looked back. Madlax looked very sharp and disciplined on offense. Next Level will rebound and get it together.
Caught the end of the Crabs vs. FCA game and noticed that FCA's top defender and Fogo were on the sidelines, and looked to be missing their most athletic midfielder as well. There backup Fogo got knocked out of the game in the first quarter from what Crabs parents said on a big hit.
Next level lost 10-6 to Madlax. Next Level came out flat on defense and was relying to heavily on Big #3. A lot of hero ball. Madlax goalie played really well.
I caught the hawks game, fca game (online) and 1/2 of the madlax game.
My take on it -
Hawks/Preds - Hawks welcomed Preds to the elite level. The difference in groups is significant. Hawks simply put, man handled Preds. Hawks were typical hawks, consistent, precise, and on point. While it’s early in the season they looked a little slow. Preds looked lost, overwhelmed, and had trouble keeping up with this level. Hawks will continue to improve. Hopefully Preds has seen some of the best teams around and can regroup to build on what they experienced. If they don’t analyze their weaknesses they are in more trouble that they realize. Preds was missing a goalie due to injury not sure if he is a difference maker
FCA/LTLC(Not Crabs for HOCO) - Fca was missing a few players one being a fogo. Might have made a difference or maybe not on the outcome. Fca looked slow at the get go from what I have seen in the past. Looks like the age verification got them harder than they thought it would. Fca turned over the ball at least 4 times because of the shot clock. Word on the side line was a lot of unhappy parents with the team. Kids seem to not be gelling. Started to notice teammates getting on each other. LTLC was slow to get the ball to the goal. As the game picked up the defense began to play tougher forcing many turnovers. Ltlc won most of the face offs. The defense held fca to 1 goal in the second half with minimal shots on goal. FCA relied on their bigger middle to be the hero. One player can’t do it all. FCA will recover and move on. LTLC has some growing to do on the field with offensive production but with time, like all teams, the more you play the better you get. Hopefully the team is able to see their strengths and especially their weaknesses and build on those.
Madlax/NL - I only watched the 1st half. Madlax was able to quickly throw NL off balance with ball and off ball movement. NL players were slow to respond. Madlax was able to use cutters and precise passing to score 5 goal easily in the first quarter. Where madlax lacks in size they make up for it in speed of the be pass. Most of the half was on ML offensive end. Surprised to see NL struggle like this.
I saw some good not great lacrosse today. With time great lacrosse will come as teams get into game shape. Every game counts when there are only 8 teams.
How many of the missing players were playing on WS teams? I noticed some virginia players were on the Red Hots roster for the WS. I thought Red Hots was a PA team? It also looks like they were 2030s.
Reply if kids choose that over their season team shame on them.
100 mile radius - Red Hots out of Pitt, PA
If kids choose to not play with their seasonal team for a weekend tournament, they should not expect to get playing time when they come back.
Red Hots got a big DQ because they had 2 home bases. I expect nothing else from a team who knowingly plays older kids. How many 6’ white kids do you see in 7th grade. The Hots had 6-8 mongos playing at earlier MD tournament—now caught cheating. They are just robbing parents$ and kids of opportunities!!!!!
Total losers!
How about Fusion Futures looking quite ordinary against a good team when their high schoolers aren't allowed to play?
How about Fusion Futures looking quite ordinary against a good team when their high schoolers aren't allowed to play?
Did you mean against a good team with great outsiders helping them? If you can’t do it with yours, don’t bother!! That’s why this tournament doesn’t mean anything to those that matter.
Red Hots got a big DQ because they had 2 home bases. I expect nothing else from a team who knowingly plays older kids. How many 6’ white kids do you see in 7th grade. The Hots had 6-8 mongos playing at earlier MD tournament—now caught cheating. They are just robbing parents$ and kids of opportunities!!!!!
Total losers!
So just looking at it from the outside here, but I believe RH (as did all teams entered) had approval from WS organizers on the roster for their home bases, not sure how that can be classified as cheating especially when Player Authenticate did the review and cleared everyone on the 100 miles for their home bases. Pretty sure everyone had to submit drivers license and utility bills showing proof of address…correct?!? RH published the roster on IG, weren’t hiding anything from what I could tell.
Red Hots got a big DQ because they had 2 home bases. I expect nothing else from a team who knowingly plays older kids. How many 6’ white kids do you see in 7th grade. The Hots had 6-8 mongos playing at earlier MD tournament—now caught cheating. They are just robbing parents$ and kids of opportunities!!!!!
Total losers!
So just looking at it from the outside here, but I believe RH (as did all teams entered) had approval from WS organizers on the roster for their home bases, not sure how that can be classified as cheating especially when Player Authenticate did the review and cleared everyone on the 100 miles for their home bases. Pretty sure everyone had to submit drivers license and utility bills showing proof of address…correct?!? RH published the roster on IG, weren’t hiding anything from what I could tell.
Nah…I’ll stick with they are a bunch of cheaters. They just got called on it this time.
I love when Dad’s are so mad their son’s team lost, they start yelling the tournament is meaningless.
Well, your Fusion “stars” just got handled in a meaningless tournament…gotta sting
Red Hots got a big DQ because they had 2 home bases. I expect nothing else from a team who knowingly plays older kids. How many 6’ white kids do you see in 7th grade. The Hots had 6-8 mongos playing at earlier MD tournament—now caught cheating. They are just robbing parents$ and kids of opportunities!!!!!
Total losers!
So just looking at it from the outside here, but I believe RH (as did all teams entered) had approval from WS organizers on the roster for their home bases, not sure how that can be classified as cheating especially when Player Authenticate did the review and cleared everyone on the 100 miles for their home bases. Pretty sure everyone had to submit drivers license and utility bills showing proof of address…correct?!? RH published the roster on IG, weren’t hiding anything from what I could tell.
Nah…I’ll stick with they are a bunch of cheaters. They just got called on it this time.
91 used a player way outside 100 mile radius but were allowed to use him as a courtesy. The haves vs the have nots.
Red Hots got a big DQ because they had 2 home bases. I expect nothing else from a team who knowingly plays older kids. How many 6’ white kids do you see in 7th grade. The Hots had 6-8 mongos playing at earlier MD tournament—now caught cheating. They are just robbing parents$ and kids of opportunities!!!!!
Total losers!
Why didn’t 91 get DQ?
I love when Dad’s are so mad their son’s team lost, they start yelling the tournament is meaningless.
Well, your Fusion “stars” just got handled in a meaningless tournament…gotta sting
To be fair, losing 4-3 in the championship game isn't "getting handled"...
True Chesapeake is a solid team normally and bringing in the top faceoff kid/mid from madlax along with other key players makes you better.
The problem with futures is they still partially follow the nationals model. MM from TC can't play for both teams at the same time.
How about Fusion Futures looking quite ordinary against a good team when their high schoolers aren't allowed to play?
Did you mean against a good team with great outsiders helping them? If you can’t do it with yours, don’t bother!! That’s why this tournament doesn’t mean anything to those that matter.
I love when Dad’s are so mad their son’s team lost, they start yelling the tournament is meaningless.
Well, your Fusion “stars” just got handled in a meaningless tournament…gotta sting
Their stars couldn't make it due to the age rules. It's amazing what teams look like when playing on-age (September 1and later). I will give them credit for showing up though, unlike the HoCo teams who are too busy hiding behind their elite regional league to bother representing the east. I guess everyone tries to protect their fiefdom in their own way.
How about Fusion Futures looking quite ordinary against a good team when their high schoolers aren't allowed to play?
Did you mean against a good team with great outsiders helping them? If you can’t do it with yours, don’t bother!! That’s why this tournament doesn’t mean anything to those that matter.
I love when Dad’s are so mad their son’s team lost, they start yelling the tournament is meaningless.
Well, your Fusion “stars” just got handled in a meaningless tournament…gotta sting
Their stars couldn't make it due to the age rules. It's amazing what teams look like when playing on-age (September 1and later). I will give them credit for showing up though, unlike the HoCo teams who are too busy hiding behind their elite regional league to bother representing the east. I guess everyone tries to protect their fiefdom in their own way.
So tell WS organizers to coordinate with HoCo on dates, and hold the WS qualifiers the weekend before. Why is that so hard?!? Stop blaming the HoCo teams and saying they are hiding, it’s a scheduling conflict simple as that (and starting next year the ‘30 have very little holdback situations occurring with the new age guidelines being enforced across HoCo and other tourneys). HoCo is the best Spring league with the top 4-5 teams in the Elite division are typically in the top 20 teams in the country. Every game counts, so of course HoCo teams are going to prioritize that. True Chesapeake had a bye because they asked for it, but Hawks, Madlax, Crabs, NL all can’t get bye’s the same weekend. All these teams practice through the winter and early Spring, they are itching to play games. Have WS qualifiers the weekend after Spring Thaw or NL invitational.
What LI and NE teams don’t understand is we like playing you guys because we get sick of playing each other (Baltimore, DMV). We all complain about the traffic coming up to NY and you guys complain coming here (I-95 sux) but it’s the best lacrosse in the country in tournaments we have LI/NE teams playing DMV/Baltimore teams. It’s the tourney organizers that need to understand this, especially for the top 20-25 teams in the country.
Is the WS swag worth that much to you?
If your club team isn't already playing in tournaments against Baltimore/LI/NJ then maybe you need to work harder and get the kiddo on a better team? Just a thought ....
No one seems to be arguing that the WS or playing on National teams is good for youth lacrosse or good for player development. Perhaps this is because they aren't. The kids get plenty of chances to earn their local or regional bragging rights during the summer tournament cycle at NAL, NLF and other events when the teams have had their whole spring season to practice and play together, schools are out, so travel is a little easier, and from a parent/fan's perspective, it's a whole lot more fun to watch a lacrosse game when it is sunny and warm than it is when it is cold, rainy and windy.
Why should all the other areas of the country complain for the MD/DMV club teams? If they really wanted to participate, they could make it work, everyone knows that. They don’t. Why? Because their teams carry too many over-age kids. It’s simple really.
Why should all the other areas of the country complain for the MD/DMV club teams? If they really wanted to participate, they could make it work, everyone knows that. They don’t. Why? Because their teams carry too many over-age kids. It’s simple really.
"They don't. Why?" Because the only people that care about the world series of youth lacrosse are folks that have a financial tie to it. It's a meaningless tournament -- drastically less important than before True bought the tourney. HoCo much more important / valuable to player development. That's why local teams focus on that. A meaningless tournament that is an absolute money grab...or a top-notch spring league?
Why should all the other areas of the country complain for the MD/DMV club teams? If they really wanted to participate, they could make it work, everyone knows that. They don’t. Why? Because their teams carry too many over-age kids. It’s simple really.
I bet you are a riot on the sidelines during games. Can you please tell us what team your boy plays on so we can keep an eye out for the clown behavior?
Observer to this convo…WS is silly, like Apex, the Circuit, Club Nationals. It is even more silly now that teams are moving towards age verification
The WSYL and HoCo debate is silly and they could easily coexist if the organizers cared to do so.
US Lacrosse set a June 1st age cut off. HoCo adopted it and the MD teams complied. Some were impacted more than others.
WSYL stuck to September 1st age cut off. Not sure why they didn’t follow US Lacrosse guidance, but they didn’t. Now you have a bunch of elite team who are following their governing body’s rules who are not eligible. Couple that with the overlap of schedules.
Maybe I’m over simplifying this, but it seems solvable if anyone cared to make it work.
Also, LI vs MD vs the rest of the world, just make everyone play in DE to make it equally painful for everyone.
Its why True C added a few guest players from the DMV to their WS team. (and those kids only played on Sunday cause they played with their HoCo teams on Saturday) True C had 3/4 kids on their main roster not eligible for WS cause they were born after 6/1 but before 9/1. They met the guidelines for the tourney. From what I heard it was some good competition and the actual WS tourney in July is loaded with top teams from mid Atlantic and Northeast so should be fun.
Eclipse at WSYL who won the North qualifier looked tough as heck. CT team, so keep that in mind.
Eclipse is going to be tough to beat. Not sure how the top 4 East teams will fare (3D Garden, True, Fusion, and Duke's) against the north, but it should be a good time for the kids regardless. Interesting to see how the rankings for the WS look.
Breaking news for you MD Dads: the kids thoroughly enjoy the experience! Put your ego aside for once and see it for what it is…an enjoyable tourney for the kids!
You don’t want to play, that’s fine. Some clubs do, all the kids do. And they should, it’s awesome!
Stop. Repeat. No one cares about the WS. Go start a new thread for the 4 dad’s that care. Better yet start a thread for instagram tournaments that we can lump all this nonsense into.
This sounds like the new pitch all the organizers are putting out about these tournaments. Kids love it! Enjoy the family lax vacation!
Kids love playing video games all day too! Sad part is the adults are buying in.
What an I missing, how is it different than any of the other tournaments we'll be doing this summer?
Breaking news for you MD Dads: the kids thoroughly enjoy the experience! Put your ego aside for once and see it for what it is…an enjoyable tourney for the kids!
You don’t want to play, that’s fine. Some clubs do, all the kids do. And they should, it’s awesome!
It's great that you enjoy the tournament, but what's the ego comment about? I'm guessing you profit from it in some way because I can't think of any other reason why a grown man would act like this otherwise. Just a thought, maybe you'll have better success increasing participation if you stop acting like a clown.
Hawks, next level, fca, and madlax all would not be able to play WS because their team has older kids not eligible. That’s why True picked up hawks and mad lax kids for WS.
So you are saying that all of those teams have rostered players who are not eligible under Hoco rules but they are playing in that league? Scandalous!
So you are saying that all of those teams have rostered players who are not eligible under Hoco rules but they are playing in that league? Scandalous!
Not scandalous if you actually knew the rules.
HoCo follows US Lacrosse rules of June 1.
https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/8983-3156974/GHCLC_Spring_2024_Guidelines.pdfWSYL is September 1 making any HoCo kid born between June 1 and September 1 ineligible for the World Series.
I don’t know why this is so hard. It has to be either ignorance because your kid doesn’t actually play in HoCo or just pot stirring.
So you are saying that all of those teams have rostered players who are not eligible under Hoco rules but they are playing in that league? Scandalous!
Not scandalous if you actually knew the rules.
HoCo follows US Lacrosse rules of June 1.
https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/8983-3156974/GHCLC_Spring_2024_Guidelines.pdfWSYL is September 1 making any HoCo kid born between June 1 and September 1 ineligible for the World Series.
I don’t know why this is so hard. It has to be either ignorance because your kid doesn’t actually play in HoCo or just pot stirring.
Let me break it down for you again,
US Lacrosse run from Baltimore and zero backbone, caters to the Baltimore Private schools and clubs affiliated with them. It set the birthday to June 1 to accommodate all the prefirsts,reclass and holdbacks in private Baltimore schools that are born during the summer. If they did Sept 1 like MD schools do, HOCO would be a rec league. Not being even earlier date, should be considered a victory to age based LOL.
WSYL is attempting to be different and use grade/age based like the majority of school systems do, Sept 1.
We are not going back to true age base, Way to many holdbacks now, not like 10 years ago when holdbacks were a smaller group . Why the silliness of pretending to be age based of June 1 is beyond me.
I don’t know why this is so hard. It has to be either ignorance because your kid doesn’t actually play in HoCo or just pot stirring.
They don't have enough talent up in NY to put together leagues like HoCo or the MIAA. Hence all the jealousy and the clear inferiority complex.
No such thing as WSYL anymore. It died a few years ago and was replaced with inferior Lacrosse World Series Championship (LWSC). Difference is like comparing NFL to XFL. If you paid a bunch of money for it I get why you wish it was relevant. But nobody else cares. If your kid is having fun with LWSC let it be enough. Other kids are playing in more competitive events and having fun too.
What an I missing, how is it different than any of the other tournaments we'll be doing this summer?
Haaa, exactly. When your kid is in 10th grade, you’ll look back and realize what a fool you were about this LWSC stuff. It’s just another tournament, one with a big Instagram budget
Maryland kids can’t play on-age; everyone in the northeast knows that. Every one of your kids that succeed are either hold backs or double holdbacks. But, hey, it’s working so congrats…can’t argue w the success.
But, on age? NY, PA and NJ all have more talent.
Enjoy HOCO
Lawrenceville, haverford etc don't have holdbacks...
Riiight.
After a week off these are the games this week who ya got
Hawks Vs Legands
TC vs FCA
NL vs Preds
91 vs ML
Hopefully this also ends all this holdback [Censored] from our neighbors up north
Lawrenceville has players who were originally 2022 grad years, now 2024s? Double holdbacks. Their entire starting lineup is at a minimum of 1 year displaced.
After a week off these are the games this week who ya got
Hawks Vs Legands
TC vs FCA
NL vs Preds
91 vs ML
Hopefully this also ends all this holdback [Censored] from our neighbors up north
Hawks over Legends by a lot
TC over FCA by a little
NL over Preds by a lot
ML over 91 by a lot
Maryland kids can’t play on-age; everyone in the northeast knows that. Every one of your kids that succeed are either hold backs or double holdbacks. But, hey, it’s working so congrats…can’t argue w the success.
But, on age? NY, PA and NJ all have more talent.
Enjoy HOCO
Cool story bro.
Maryland kids can’t play on-age; everyone in the northeast knows that. Every one of your kids that succeed are either hold backs or double holdbacks. But, hey, it’s working so congrats…can’t argue w the success.
But, on age? NY, PA and NJ all have more talent.
Enjoy HOCO
This is such a sick burn. Tell us more about your middle school athletic prodigies. LMAO clown.
Sounds like a hardo but he ain’t wrong
The Northern folk, must feel that they are so much better than the MD teams that they love to hang out on this page. Nothing better to do because they are so great. SMH. Trolling at it's beast.
I don’t think he/she’s trying to burn you, it’s an opinion shared by most across the country.
I don’t think he/she’s trying to burn you, it’s an opinion shared by most across the country.
just a reminder this is a 2029 thread. So for HOCO they are all under the new age requirement. Head over to the 2028's and above for some holdback sick burn action...
I don’t think he/she’s trying to burn you, it’s an opinion shared by most across the country.
Meanwhile, it takes a national team full of holdbacks based in Philadelphia (Nationals LC) to compete with the town teams from Maryland like Madlax and next level.
Sounds like a hardo but he ain’t wrong
Yeah, Northern kids are so amazing that the parents fall apart and whine when facing someone a few months older. Haha
Nobody cares about your middle school all american.
This regional laxer waving contest is amusing. Please keep it up.
This weeks game predictions - Not looking for team bashing or S$%^ starting conversations. Only productive conversations please. We have enough of that from our friends from the north.
ELITE - How will/have teams adjusted to the shot clock?
Annapolis Hawks Green - Legends - Hawks will win (+3) A closer game then expected depending on what Legends shows up, I chose this as the elite division POSSIBLE spoiler.
True Chesapeake Black - FCA - TC will win by (+4). HOPE FCA did some soul searching and figured out how to implement their talents. Can FCA adjust to the shot clock. A previous poster said they turned the ball over 3+ times because of it.
Next Level - Predators Red - NL will continue what hawks started last week by (+7). Welcome to the elite division Preds.
Team 91 - Madlax Capital - ML will win by (+5). Let's see what 91 did in the off season.
AAA
ProStart - Bethesda Blue - BB will pull a close one off by (-3) PS seemed to struggle with HOCO. Will PS begin gelling as a cohesive team to pull away in games or will all the game be close?
Shore Kaos - Annapolis Hawks Black - This game will be a wash. Totally up in the air based on which team lets in the most goals. Goal production is low for each of these teams. Face offs will also be a key Factor
True NOVA Black - Carroll Manor - Nova will get the win based on goal production. (+3). This game is my POSSIBLE spoiler. Which Carroll Manor will show up.
Team Maryland White - HoCo - HoCo should win this game (+4). true has let in the largest number of goals. If TMW can keep the goals down they have a chance of not.
What is the acceptable age variation?
What is the acceptable age variation?
That is Holdback mom talk, get with program.
Also to be heard, "playing against older players makes you better " while their son is one of oldest. "It is within rules" while holding their son back for sports only. "They are only a couple months older " forgetting that all on age players are not born on Sept 1. All kinds of good quotes.
Lawrenceville has players who were originally 2022 grad years, now 2024s? Double holdbacks. Their entire starting lineup is at a minimum of 1 year displaced.
The story today is that everyone has caught onto the holdback game. At one time it was a Maryland Private school thing along with a few other Preps in NE region.
Now , it is everywhere . The south has holdbacks everywhere, The Northeast region has holdbacks everywhere and MD is still MD with more holdbacks then ever.
So the truth is, hardly ant area now doesnt have them, LI , they are there with a decent amount, but on a smaller scale than other areas.
Lawrenceville has players who were originally 2022 grad years, now 2024s? Double holdbacks. Their entire starting lineup is at a minimum of 1 year displaced.
That is why we have Juniors posing as Freshman in college.
Holdback High School
Go to do PG at a Lawrenceville Type school
Red Shirt first year in college
Start as a 20/21 year old Freshman
Senior at 24/25 like many today are
This weeks game predictions - Not looking for team bashing or S$%^ starting conversations. Only productive conversations please. We have enough of that from our friends from the north.
ELITE - How will/have teams adjusted to the shot clock?
Annapolis Hawks Green - Legends - Hawks will win (+3) A closer game then expected depending on what Legends shows up, I chose this as the elite division POSSIBLE spoiler.
True Chesapeake Black - FCA - TC will win by (+4). HOPE FCA did some soul searching and figured out how to implement their talents. Can FCA adjust to the shot clock. A previous poster said they turned the ball over 3+ times because of it.
Next Level - Predators Red - NL will continue what hawks started last week by (+7). Welcome to the elite division Preds.
Team 91 - Madlax Capital - ML will win by (+5). Let's see what 91 did in the off season.
AAA
ProStart - Bethesda Blue - BB will pull a close one off by (-3) PS seemed to struggle with HOCO. Will PS begin gelling as a cohesive team to pull away in games or will all the game be close?
Shore Kaos - Annapolis Hawks Black - This game will be a wash. Totally up in the air based on which team lets in the most goals. Goal production is low for each of these teams. Face offs will also be a key Factor
True NOVA Black - Carroll Manor - Nova will get the win based on goal production. (+3). This game is my POSSIBLE spoiler. Which Carroll Manor will show up.
Team Maryland White - HoCo - HoCo should win this game (+4). true has let in the largest number of goals. If TMW can keep the goals down they have a chance of not.
I agree with all of this. Not sure what has happened to FCA since last year but they are really struggling this fall through the spring. They've had some very close losses to some really good teams and then a few head scratchers as well. They were the one team i thought did very well adjusting from AAA to Elite last year.
Lawrenceville has players who were originally 2022 grad years, now 2024s? Double holdbacks. Their entire starting lineup is at a minimum of 1 year displaced.
The story today is that everyone has caught onto the holdback game. At one time it was a Maryland Private school thing along with a few other Preps in NE region.
Now , it is everywhere . The south has holdbacks everywhere, The Northeast region has holdbacks everywhere and MD is still MD with more holdbacks then ever.
So the truth is, hardly ant area now doesnt have them, LI , they are there with a decent amount, but on a smaller scale than other areas.
There is literally no bigger violator of single and double holdbac kids in the entire country than Brunswick school in Connecticut. They actually just let kids play down in age group without even actually holding them back. They use the rules of “but we’re gonna hold him back three years from now.” So you have 2027 kids playing on 2028 teams. See: 2Way. I won’t name names but we all know who they are ….
I wonder if FCA is feeling the new rules a little harder than others? Maybe the changes in leadership? It’s still early in the season but they usually come out a little more prepared.
I wonder if FCA is feeling the new rules a little harder than others? Maybe the changes in leadership? It’s still early in the season but they usually come out a little more prepared.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
I wonder if FCA is feeling the new rules a little harder than others? Maybe the changes in leadership? It’s still early in the season but they usually come out a little more prepared.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
100% factually incorrect take. FCA lost exactly ONE player of significance due to age. The second player that they lost was the backup goalie who was actually replaced by the starter from the 2028 Blue Team who was playing up.
The roster did have a lot of turnover outside of the starters. Plenty of work to do for those new players to gel.
I think the original poster was asking the questions because of the drastic change in the the team, FCA has historically improved year after year..
I think the original poster was asking the questions because of the drastic change in the the team, FCA has historically improved year after year..
The other major issue is injuries.
FCA is currently missing their top defender, fogo, a starting offensive mid and a couple of depth attack/mids.
The core of the team is the same as last year. That said, not all player development is linear. Some kids hit puberty earlier than others.
You have to play with what you have. All teams are missing players. Of course missing players can change the dynamics of a game but it can’t be an excuse.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
Remember when IL listed the top 5 star recruits in the class of '23 and their birthdays. Holdbacks dominated. In MD, anyone born prior to Sept 1st, 2004 is technically a holdback.
1. McCabe Millon, A, McDonogh (Md.) | Team 91 MD | March 2004 D.O.B.
2. Benn Johnston, M, Avon Old Farms (Conn.) | True IL | September 2004 D.O.B.
3. Leo Hoffman, M, Brunswick (Conn.) | Team 91 LI Bandits | June 2004 D.O.B.
4. Mac Christmas, LSM, Georgetown Prep (Md.) | Madlax DC Dogs | April 2004 D.O.B.
5. Owen Duffy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.) | Team 91 LI Bandits | February 2005 D.O.B.
6. Tomas Delgado, M, Brunswick (Conn.) | Prime Time | January 2005 D.O.B.
7. Ty Banks, LSM/D, Western Reserve (Ohio) | West Coast Starz | August 2004 D.O.B.
8. Kyle Lehman, A/M, Wissahickon (Pa.) | Freedom | June 2004 D.O.B.
9. Nate Kabiri, A, Georgetown Prep (Md.) | Madlax DC Dogs | July 2004 D.O.B.
10. Anderson Moore, G, Briarwood Christian (Ala.) | Thunder | December 2004 D.O.B.
11. Tucker Wade, M, Bullis (Md.) | DC Express — PRINCETON | September 2003 D.O.B.
12. Ben Beacham, M, La Costa Canyon (Calif.) | Mad Dog, West Coast Starz | March 2005 DOB
13. AJ Marsh, D, McDonogh (Md.) | Crabs | March 2004 D.O.B.
14. Caleb Fyock, G, St. John’s (D.C.) | Annapolis Hawks, Crabs | June 2004 D.O.B.
15. AJ Nikolic, M, Malvern Prep (Pa.) | Mesa | September 2004 D.O.B.
16. Colin Burns, A, Georgetown Prep (Md.) | Madlax DC Dogs | July 2004 D.O.B. | Highlights
Remember when IL listed the top 5 star recruits in the class of '23 and their birthdays.
No. Who would take the time to stress over this.
There is nothing magical about Sept 1st. It's an arbitrary date. The idea that age is the sole determinant of skill is incredibly lazy. Nothing is that black and white, including the reasons kids are "held back" in school.
Maybe you should track down their height and weight, and the age they hit puberty. What was their diet and exercise routine? How many hours of private lessons? So many data points are missing.
Well what kind of player would they be if they player in the correct year against older kids? We will never know.
It's what the coach is interested in. If the coach sees that the "stars" are going to carry the team and focusses on them well... If a coach developes all players with a "next player up" mentality then it will benefit the whole team. Coaching is more than winning games it's about preparing a TEAM for what ever situation confronts them. e.g. Injuries. losing players.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Skilled players make a difference. Whether they are born a few months earlier than another kid is irrelevant. None of the scary holdbacks at this age group are "years" older. Sure there are some kids who hit puberty sooner, or have giants somewhere in their lineage. Are you also suggesting we separate by weight classes?
As the poster above alluded, there are those coaches (and parents) who only care about optics and winning at all costs, and then there are those who recognize the benefit of teamwork and training. Obviously you are in the former group, unable to see past the forest for the trees.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Skilled players make a difference. Whether they are born a few months earlier than another kid is irrelevant. None of the scary holdbacks at this age group are "years" older. Sure there are some kids who hit puberty sooner, or have giants somewhere in their lineage. Are you also suggesting we separate by weight classes?
As the poster above alluded, there are those coaches (and parents) who only care about optics and winning at all costs, and then there are those who recognize the benefit of teamwork and training. Obviously you are in the former group, unable to see past the forest for the trees.
The fca tree hugging moms are funny. Fca stunk for years, added a couple older “skilled” kids and suddenly improved. Lost a couple kids and [Censored] again. All teams have injuries, next man up. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.FCA is a prime example. Football has age/weight classes to protect kids, travel soccer is age/card verified before every game, and lacrosse is finally seeing past the forest into fca demise. You need to recruit harder then the other surrounding clubs, because development isn’t going to happen
You have to play with what you have. All teams are missing players. Of course missing players can change the dynamics of a game but it can’t be an excuse.
This ain’t rec level sports, Coach Cliche!
A next man up philosophy is great but when a team has a quarter of its roster out due to injury including 30% of its starters, you’re going to see a decline in performance.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Skilled players make a difference. Whether they are born a few months earlier than another kid is irrelevant. None of the scary holdbacks at this age group are "years" older. Sure there are some kids who hit puberty sooner, or have giants somewhere in their lineage. Are you also suggesting we separate by weight classes?
As the poster above alluded, there are those coaches (and parents) who only care about optics and winning at all costs, and then there are those who recognize the benefit of teamwork and training. Obviously you are in the former group, unable to see past the forest for the trees.
Or born 23 months earlier, you clown
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Skilled players make a difference. Whether they are born a few months earlier than another kid is irrelevant. None of the scary holdbacks at this age group are "years" older. Sure there are some kids who hit puberty sooner, or have giants somewhere in their lineage. Are you also suggesting we separate by weight classes?
As the poster above alluded, there are those coaches (and parents) who only care about optics and winning at all costs, and then there are those who recognize the benefit of teamwork and training. Obviously you are in the former group, unable to see past the forest for the trees.
Or born 23 months earlier, you clown
This is a very insightful addition to the discourse. It sounds like you have it all figured out. Thanks for your contribution.
Remember when IL listed the top 5 star recruits in the class of '23 and their birthdays.
No. Who would take the time to stress over this.
There is nothing magical about Sept 1st. It's an arbitrary date. The idea that age is the sole determinant of skill is incredibly lazy. Nothing is that black and white, including the reasons kids are "held back" in school.
Maybe you should track down their height and weight, and the age they hit puberty. What was their diet and exercise routine? How many hours of private lessons? So many data points are missing.
Thanks Holdback apologist , Point is clear, Holdback works and if you want to play D1 , you are foolish to not hold your son back. Frankly, I wouldnt blame anyone that did as that seems to be the main way to compete at this time. It is also pretty sad that only 3 players on that list are on age. It says a lot about lacrosse.
While we everyone has gone back to talking HOLDBACKS (shocker!)............What will most 2029 players who were impacted by age verification do next year? I know once they get into 9th grade they can just play 2029. They will also unfortunately not be eligible to play in HOCO next year and will miss playing as an 8th grader.
Will these guys go ahead and play for a 2029 team, not play in HOCO, and then just focus on tournaments that don't have age verification. Do they just play up with high schoolers for the entire year, and then drop back the following season. Really curious to see as this is the first group to walk through it. I'm certain there will also probably be something current 8th graders that holdback regardless......and just don't care about missing an 8th grade HOCO season.
Any thoughts?
While we everyone has gone back to talking HOLDBACKS (shocker!)............What will most 2029 players who were impacted by age verification do next year? I know once they get into 9th grade they can just play 2029. They will also unfortunately not be eligible to play in HOCO next year and will miss playing as an 8th grader.
Will these guys go ahead and play for a 2029 team, not play in HOCO, and then just focus on tournaments that don't have age verification. Do they just play up with high schoolers for the entire year, and then drop back the following season. Really curious to see as this is the first group to walk through it. I'm certain there will also probably be something current 8th graders that holdback regardless......and just don't care about missing an 8th grade HOCO season.
Any thoughts?
They have to stick with their 2028 team and miss Hoco.
This year, the birthdate cutoff for the 2028 group in Hoco is June 1, 2008. The birthdate cutoff for 2029 is June 1, 2010. Next year, the cutoff for the 2029 division for Hoco will be June 1, 2009. So, most of the holdbacks will come back to 2029 next year.
This year, the birthdate cutoff for the 2028 group in Hoco is June 1, 2008. The birthdate cutoff for 2029 is June 1, 2010. Next year, the cutoff for the 2029 division for Hoco will be June 1, 2009. So, most of the holdbacks will come back to 2029 next year.
Not sure they are changing the 2029 back a year next year from June 1, 2010 to June 1, 2009. Where did you see this posted?
While we everyone has gone back to talking HOLDBACKS (shocker!)............What will most 2029 players who were impacted by age verification do next year? I know once they get into 9th grade they can just play 2029. They will also unfortunately not be eligible to play in HOCO next year and will miss playing as an 8th grader.
Will these guys go ahead and play for a 2029 team, not play in HOCO, and then just focus on tournaments that don't have age verification. Do they just play up with high schoolers for the entire year, and then drop back the following season. Really curious to see as this is the first group to walk through it. I'm certain there will also probably be something current 8th graders that holdback regardless......and just don't care about missing an 8th grade HOCO season.
Any thoughts?
Why don’t the fca moms fill us in on what’s going to happen
This year, the birthdate cutoff for the 2028 group in Hoco is June 1, 2008. The birthdate cutoff for 2029 is June 1, 2010. Next year, the cutoff for the 2029 division for Hoco will be June 1, 2009. So, most of the holdbacks will come back to 2029 next year.
This is wrong. Starting with this year’s 2029 class, HoCo is following US Lacrosse’ Age guidelines. They will not revert back to allowing 15 month holdbacks in these youth divisions
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Skilled players make a difference. Whether they are born a few months earlier than another kid is irrelevant. None of the scary holdbacks at this age group are "years" older. Sure there are some kids who hit puberty sooner, or have giants somewhere in their lineage. Are you also suggesting we separate by weight classes?
As the poster above alluded, there are those coaches (and parents) who only care about optics and winning at all costs, and then there are those who recognize the benefit of teamwork and training. Obviously you are in the former group, unable to see past the forest for the trees.
The fca tree hugging moms are funny. Fca stunk for years, added a couple older “skilled” kids and suddenly improved. Lost a couple kids and [Censored] again. All teams have injuries, next man up. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.FCA is a prime example. Football has age/weight classes to protect kids, travel soccer is age/card verified before every game, and lacrosse is finally seeing past the forest into fca demise. You need to recruit harder then the other surrounding clubs, because development isn’t going to happen
Sounds like you are [Censored] hurt because your kid couldn't make the FCA squad. Sorry to break it to you but little Johnny being the big man on the Laytonsville Hippos does mean he's good enough to make an elite team. I know this is giving you flashbacks of your own failure athletically but you really should try not to transfer your own inadequacies onto your kid.
FCA will be quite fine. Losing one player is not the end of the world.
You, on the other hand, will still be left raging at all the injustices that have kept Johnny from the success that you/he crave.
This year, the birthdate cutoff for the 2028 group in Hoco is June 1, 2008. The birthdate cutoff for 2029 is June 1, 2010. Next year, the cutoff for the 2029 division for Hoco will be June 1, 2009. So, most of the holdbacks will come back to 2029 next year.
This is wrong. Starting with this year’s 2029 class, HoCo is following US Lacrosse’ Age guidelines. They will not revert back to allowing 15 month holdbacks in these youth divisions
Hilarious that the majority of the kids play mixed age teams in middle school, but it's unfair in "elite" club ball. Make it make sense.
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Skilled players make a difference. Whether they are born a few months earlier than another kid is irrelevant. None of the scary holdbacks at this age group are "years" older. Sure there are some kids who hit puberty sooner, or have giants somewhere in their lineage. Are you also suggesting we separate by weight classes?
As the poster above alluded, there are those coaches (and parents) who only care about optics and winning at all costs, and then there are those who recognize the benefit of teamwork and training. Obviously you are in the former group, unable to see past the forest for the trees.
The fca tree hugging moms are funny. Fca stunk for years, added a couple older “skilled” kids and suddenly improved. Lost a couple kids and [Censored] again. All teams have injuries, next man up. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.FCA is a prime example. Football has age/weight classes to protect kids, travel soccer is age/card verified before every game, and lacrosse is finally seeing past the forest into fca demise. You need to recruit harder then the other surrounding clubs, because development isn’t going to happen
Sounds like you are [Censored] hurt because your kid couldn't make the FCA squad. Sorry to break it to you but little Johnny being the big man on the Laytonsville Hippos does mean he's good enough to make an elite team. I know this is giving you flashbacks of your own failure athletically but you really should try not to transfer your own inadequacies onto your kid.
FCA will be quite fine. Losing one player is not the end of the world.
You, on the other hand, will still be left raging at all the injustices that have kept Johnny from the success that you/he crave.
Why do you have to bring the Hippos into this? What did they ever do to you?
Looks that way. It’s a great example of what holdbacks do to a team. Lack of development for most of the kids as they sat around and watched other players (who are t there anymore) do all the work in practices and games. Now tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
So the coach doesn't develop his players and it's the kid's fault? Interesting take.
No, just helps the ones they believe will help win. Now you have what you have. Injuries are part of sports and life. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.
Skilled players make a difference. Whether they are born a few months earlier than another kid is irrelevant. None of the scary holdbacks at this age group are "years" older. Sure there are some kids who hit puberty sooner, or have giants somewhere in their lineage. Are you also suggesting we separate by weight classes?
As the poster above alluded, there are those coaches (and parents) who only care about optics and winning at all costs, and then there are those who recognize the benefit of teamwork and training. Obviously you are in the former group, unable to see past the forest for the trees.
The fca tree hugging moms are funny. Fca stunk for years, added a couple older “skilled” kids and suddenly improved. Lost a couple kids and [Censored] again. All teams have injuries, next man up. Again, tell me holdbacks don’t make a difference.FCA is a prime example. Football has age/weight classes to protect kids, travel soccer is age/card verified before every game, and lacrosse is finally seeing past the forest into fca demise. You need to recruit harder then the other surrounding clubs, because development isn’t going to happen
Sounds like you are [Censored] hurt because your kid couldn't make the FCA squad. Sorry to break it to you but little Johnny being the big man on the Laytonsville Hippos does mean he's good enough to make an elite team. I know this is giving you flashbacks of your own failure athletically but you really should try not to transfer your own inadequacies onto your kid.
FCA will be quite fine. Losing one player is not the end of the world.
You, on the other hand, will still be left raging at all the injustices that have kept Johnny from the success that you/he crave.
Your son is on an “elite” team, WOW!!! Congratulations on reaching the mountaintop, to have reached the pinnacle of the sport at such an early age is amazing. You better get started planning your Instagram D1 signing day livestream now because there is no doubt everyone will be waiting to see and hear where your young prodigy is taking his talents.
Newsflash…. there are kids throughout the other divisions that can hang and even excel in the Elite Division so before you throw out the “your kid isn’t in elite” insult next time…get a grip. Besides if being “Elite” is such an honor why in the world would they let Team 91 in to begin with?
Someone hit a nerve.
I know it's hard to believe, but nobody cares at what level your kid plays but you.
How about this, if we all stipulate that you're kid is the best there ever was will you stop whining about holdbacks?
The US LAX age restrictions won’t apply to the 2029 class after this summer for club lacrosse. They go based on grad year regardless of age once the boys are in 8th grade.
The US LAX age restrictions won’t apply to the 2029 class after this summer for club lacrosse. They go based on grad year regardless of age once the boys are in 8th grade.
Incorrect
Look at the Age/Grades Guidelines document posted on the league website.
Baltimore, way to represent. We are 1-6 (91, Fca, Legends) in elite. Never thought I’d say this, but Baltimore needs Kingcrab now more than ever. Tryouts will be packed.
Well that's such a silly comment. "Baltimore, way to represent. We are 1-6 (91, Fca, Legends) in elite". All the teams have kids from all over. Virginia, Md, PA, Michigan. High Schools have the same discussion. "Oh BL and Mcdonough have boarders from all around the country, they're not really a Baltimore team." The Baltimore metro area has plenty of talent. I think that year after year the TOP 6teams are getting closer and closer in talent.
Baltimore, way to represent. We are 1-6 (91, Fca, Legends) in elite. Never thought I’d say this, but Baltimore needs Kingcrab now more than ever. Tryouts will be packed.
Forgot Preds… the talk of BALTIMORE!
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
Elite
Annapolis Hawks Green - Legends - It was a game of 2 halves. The first half ended in a tie. However also ended with a very unfortunate injury to the Legends face off player. Thankfully after a long delay he was able to walk of the field and watch he rest of his game. Big loss for the team. The game was very aggressive, both Legends and Hawks probably earned more penalties than they wanted. The players were leaving it out on the field. Second half (Both Teams) were riddled with more penalties, In typical Hawks fashion they were more disciplined than legends. The second half was not the pretties lacrosse from both teams. Missed ground balls, dropped passes, over shot passes made the difference along with mental mistakes. This will be a good match up when they meet again. Legends needs more goal production. This game was one and lost my the simple lacrosse mistakes.
Next week
Legends v. Team 91. Legends by +5.
Madlax v. Hawks , Hawks +1
True Chesapeake Black - FCA - Well FCA is 0-2. With Next Level Next week. I caught this game In its entirety. FCA seemed to start slow but creeped up in scoring toward the second half. For all the talk about TC they seemed to be a little slower and less disciplined with the ball and their play. Almost seemed like they weren’t their “True” self. First half FCA used their stronger go to players to keep up with the pace, however True’s defense was able to adjust and limit those players. FCA, like last week, lost the ball on shot clock violations. Also, showed weaknesses in the defense with some players losing site of the ball, their slides, and who to cover. Multiple goals against the FCA defense could have been stopped by a simple slide. FCA was in the game winning more face offs later in the game however noticeable on the field frustration seemed to get to them. True had the discipline and the mental IQ to stay in the game and pull away. FCA has a tough road ahead in the short future. The team seems to lack confidence at this point however has the talent to change the coarse.
Next Week
True Chesapeake v. Predators, True +10
FCA v. Next Level, Next Level +2 - Possible Spoiler of the week.
Next Level - Predators Red - I think the score says enough with this game and the team 91 game. Preds hopefully is using this season to get their feet wet understanding that it is a different ball game. The goal differentials are to wide. Next Level had a day. Press needs to limit the goals scored brought about by the speed of this level. Press offense needs to pick up the tempo of their game and try to keep teams off balanced. Defensively they are still lost of off ball movement and where to slide. Questioning if some Preds A team players should be on The Press B team and Vice Versa. Preds has a tough road ahead of them. Looking to see how they preform week to week in goal differentials not in wins.
Team 91 - Madlax Capital - Maybe the first game was a fluke. We will see but for already being in elite for a couple of years this is not a good showing especially since they have played madlax multiple times.
AAA
ProStart - Bethesda Blue. Looked like a close game with both team having similar goal differentials.
Next week
Pro Start v. NOVA - NOVA +4
Bethesda Blue v. Carroll Manor - Carroll Manor +1
Shore Kaos - Annapolis Hawks Black - As expected with Shore Chaos being the bottom team and Hawks having their strong bigger twin in elite to motivate them.
Next week
Shore Kaos v. HoCo - Hoco +3 - Possible Spoiler of the week
Annapolis Hawks v. - Hawks +4
True NOVA Black - Carroll Manor - Looked like an evenly matched game. NOVA seemed to have less goal production than expected.
Team Maryland White - HoCo - Team MD was able to add to their goal tally. For the win. HOCO seemed to keep it close.
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
Elite
Annapolis Hawks Green - Legends - It was a game of 2 halves. The first half ended in a tie. However also ended with a very unfortunate injury to the Legends face off player. Thankfully after a long delay he was able to walk of the field and watch he rest of his game. Big loss for the team. The game was very aggressive, both Legends and Hawks probably earned more penalties than they wanted. The players were leaving it out on the field. Second half (Both Teams) were riddled with more penalties, In typical Hawks fashion they were more disciplined than legends. The second half was not the pretties lacrosse from both teams. Missed ground balls, dropped passes, over shot passes made the difference along with mental mistakes. This will be a good match up when they meet again. Legends needs more goal production. This game was one and lost my the simple lacrosse mistakes.
Next week
Legends v. Team 91. Legends by +5.
Madlax v. Hawks , Hawks +1
True Chesapeake Black - FCA - Well FCA is 0-2. With Next Level Next week. I caught this game In its entirety. FCA seemed to start slow but creeped up in scoring toward the second half. For all the talk about TC they seemed to be a little slower and less disciplined with the ball and their play. Almost seemed like they weren’t their “True” self. First half FCA used their stronger go to players to keep up with the pace, however True’s defense was able to adjust and limit those players. FCA, like last week, lost the ball on shot clock violations. Also, showed weaknesses in the defense with some players losing site of the ball, their slides, and who to cover. Multiple goals against the FCA defense could have been stopped by a simple slide. FCA was in the game winning more face offs later in the game however noticeable on the field frustration seemed to get to them. True had the discipline and the mental IQ to stay in the game and pull away. FCA has a tough road ahead in the short future. The team seems to lack confidence at this point however has the talent to change the coarse.
Next Week
True Chesapeake v. Predators, True +10
FCA v. Next Level, Next Level +2 - Possible Spoiler of the week.
Next Level - Predators Red - I think the score says enough with this game and the team 91 game. Preds hopefully is using this season to get their feet wet understanding that it is a different ball game. The goal differentials are to wide. Next Level had a day. Press needs to limit the goals scored brought about by the speed of this level. Press offense needs to pick up the tempo of their game and try to keep teams off balanced. Defensively they are still lost of off ball movement and where to slide. Questioning if some Preds A team players should be on The Press B team and Vice Versa. Preds has a tough road ahead of them. Looking to see how they preform week to week in goal differentials not in wins.
Team 91 - Madlax Capital - Maybe the first game was a fluke. We will see but for already being in elite for a couple of years this is not a good showing especially since they have played madlax multiple times.
AAA
ProStart - Bethesda Blue. Looked like a close game with both team having similar goal differentials.
Next week
Pro Start v. NOVA - NOVA +4
Bethesda Blue v. Carroll Manor - Carroll Manor +1
Shore Kaos - Annapolis Hawks Black - As expected with Shore Chaos being the bottom team and Hawks having their strong bigger twin in elite to motivate them.
Next week
Shore Kaos v. HoCo - Hoco +3 - Possible Spoiler of the week
Annapolis Hawks v. - Hawks +4
True NOVA Black - Carroll Manor - Looked like an evenly matched game. NOVA seemed to have less goal production than expected.
Team Maryland White - HoCo - Team MD was able to add to their goal tally. For the win. HOCO seemed to keep it close.
Nice write up! Thanks for posting.
"Team 91 - Madlax Capital - Maybe the first game was a fluke. We will see but for already being in elite for a couple of years this is not a good showing especially since they have played Madlax multiple times."
What does this mean, what first game? They haven't played Madlax since last spring and lost 15-3
clarification - The score differential is what the possible fluke is. Any team that had been in elite for a couple of years and knows how the other team plays should be making adjustments to at least keep the scores with in "reason" or improve from the last time they played. I am not saying Team 91 should have won but they should have improved from previous seasons.
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
lose.
Box substitutions/coaching are horrific throughout 2028-2029 except for the very top teams. Coaches seem intent on subbing out middies, even defending fast breaks, and in almost all cases, it leads to a LONGER not SHORTER man-down (or 2 man down) defense for their team. I've watched so many times over the past few years, the SSDM or LSM (or both) has sprinted 3 steps on the field, and their team gives up a goal. That is just poor coaching. Coaches also seem intent on pulling LSMs off the field immediately upon possession, and several times a game you'll see the LSM still trotting off when his offense turns it over and the ball heads back the other way. It's hard to watch.
So why do coaches do it? My guesses:
1- Tryouts lead to the selection of long legged, goofy/skinny LSMs who can't really defend, can't really body up, and certainly don't "know defense."
2 - Tryouts lead to the selection of some big LSMs who can't actually play offense except from running it up and shooting vs lower quality defenders.
3 - Tryouts lead to the selection of fast midfielders who straight up refuse to ride or play any defense in a real game situation (as soon as tryouts are over). Which creates the need to quickly get them off the field when the offensive unit loses possession.
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
lose.
Box substitutions/coaching are horrific throughout 2028-2029 except for the very top teams. Coaches seem intent on subbing out middies, even defending fast breaks, and in almost all cases, it leads to a LONGER not SHORTER man-down (or 2 man down) defense for their team. I've watched so many times over the past few years, the SSDM or LSM (or both) has sprinted 3 steps on the field, and their team gives up a goal. That is just poor coaching. Coaches also seem intent on pulling LSMs off the field immediately upon possession, and several times a game you'll see the LSM still trotting off when his offense turns it over and the ball heads back the other way. It's hard to watch.
So why do coaches do it? My guesses:
1- Tryouts lead to the selection of long legged, goofy/skinny LSMs who can't really defend, can't really body up, and certainly don't "know defense."
2 - Tryouts lead to the selection of some big LSMs who can't actually play offense except from running it up and shooting vs lower quality defenders.
3 - Tryouts lead to the selection of fast midfielders who straight up refuse to ride or play any defense in a real game situation (as soon as tryouts are over). Which creates the need to quickly get them off the field when the offensive unit loses possession.
Amen, and don’t get me started on how they evaluate/coach/play defense overall.
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
lose.
Box substitutions/coaching are horrific throughout 2028-2029 except for the very top teams. Coaches seem intent on subbing out middies, even defending fast breaks, and in almost all cases, it leads to a LONGER not SHORTER man-down (or 2 man down) defense for their team. I've watched so many times over the past few years, the SSDM or LSM (or both) has sprinted 3 steps on the field, and their team gives up a goal. That is just poor coaching. Coaches also seem intent on pulling LSMs off the field immediately upon possession, and several times a game you'll see the LSM still trotting off when his offense turns it over and the ball heads back the other way. It's hard to watch.
So why do coaches do it? My guesses:
1- Tryouts lead to the selection of long legged, goofy/skinny LSMs who can't really defend, can't really body up, and certainly don't "know defense."
2 - Tryouts lead to the selection of some big LSMs who can't actually play offense except from running it up and shooting vs lower quality defenders.
3 - Tryouts lead to the selection of fast midfielders who straight up refuse to ride or play any defense in a real game situation (as soon as tryouts are over). Which creates the need to quickly get them off the field when the offensive unit loses possession.
This is a great observation. Our club team had this issue last weekend and in one instance, it resulted in a goal.
I don't know how much pressure to make sure each player gets sufficient opportunities to play their role (i.e. LSM's and SSDM's getting short changed because the top O mids get used to playing 2 ways)
Coaches drill the substitution concepts into the players and most players don't have the field IQ yet to accurately assess their need to sprint back on D.
I see the same thing with Attack. We run an offense with alot of motion and interchanging of attack/mids. On ocassion, we have a freak turnover on offense resulting in a fast break the other way while our mids were caught deep. We will have an attackman closer to the opposing player than any midfielder by 10+ yards and yet he will only pursue to the midline.
HOCO site lists game between Shore Kaos and HoCo for this week as postponed. What’s up with that?
This weeks predictions:
Hawks Vs ML - ML seems like the top team right now. Not convinced they are having the same meltdown issues other ML age groups are going through. Should be a close one.
TC vs Preds - TC by 10+
NL vs FCA - NL by 2-3
91 vs Legends - Legends by 8
Is the circuit a thing next year? Been seeing The Holiday Bowl all over the IG recently …will they coexist with same teams over Christmas / New Year?
This weeks predictions:
Hawks Vs ML - ML seems like the top team right now. Not convinced they are having the same meltdown issues other ML age groups are going through. Should be a close one.
TC vs Preds - TC by 10+
NL vs FCA - NL by 2-3
91 vs Legends - Legends by 8
ML (+2)vs Hawks. Above average defense(ML) vs average offense(Hawks) vs Great offense (ML)vs great defense (Hawks). Will be interesting to see how shot clock affects these 2 teams considering they both used long possession's previously.
TC (+12)vs Preds. TC handles them easily. Feel bad for Preds
NL (+6)vs FCA. NL handles them easily. Sounds like FCA has hurt players, not sure what that means for the rest of the players.
Legends (+11) vs 91. Legends seem to be a problem for all to handle. Not sure what happened in second half of Hawks game, but heard they were in the ropes. Sleeper team for sure.
What's the correct number of attack, midi's and poles for a team to be successful at this age? New to the sport...
What's the correct number of attack, midi's and poles for a team to be successful at this age? New to the sport...
usually 20-24 kids on a team at this age. That can vary depending on talent. based on the i would say 5-6 attack, 7-9 mids (O, D, and two way), 5-6 long poles, 1-2 LSM, and 1-2 Faceoff.
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
lose.
Box substitutions/coaching are horrific throughout 2028-2029 except for the very top teams. Coaches seem intent on subbing out middies, even defending fast breaks, and in almost all cases, it leads to a LONGER not SHORTER man-down (or 2 man down) defense for their team. I've watched so many times over the past few years, the SSDM or LSM (or both) has sprinted 3 steps on the field, and their team gives up a goal. That is just poor coaching. Coaches also seem intent on pulling LSMs off the field immediately upon possession, and several times a game you'll see the LSM still trotting off when his offense turns it over and the ball heads back the other way. It's hard to watch.
So why do coaches do it? My guesses:
1- Tryouts lead to the selection of long legged, goofy/skinny LSMs who can't really defend, can't really body up, and certainly don't "know defense."
2 - Tryouts lead to the selection of some big LSMs who can't actually play offense except from running it up and shooting vs lower quality defenders.
3 - Tryouts lead to the selection of fast midfielders who straight up refuse to ride or play any defense in a real game situation (as soon as tryouts are over). Which creates the need to quickly get them off the field when the offensive unit loses possession.
Amen, and don’t get me started on how they evaluate/coach/play defense overall.
As a lifelong player and a nearly 10 year coach, "how they evaluate" for any possession (except goalie and attack) prior to 9th grade is: Speed (50%), Height (30%), Aggression (10%), All other combined stick skills, position skills, and IQ (10%). If you watch mediocre (Hoco AA and AAA) teams play at 7th grade and 8th grade, you'll notice that the play is fast.....but not good. Poor FO technique, missed passes, poor clears, half-hearted rides, ridiculous low percentage shots, running into double teams, etc.
Hey but the boys are big, fast, and "buzzin'" so I assume it's good lacrosse lol.
What's the correct number of attack, midi's and poles for a team to be successful at this age? New to the sport...
usually 20-24 kids on a team at this age. That can vary depending on talent. based on the i would say 5-6 attack, 7-9 mids (O, D, and two way), 5-6 long poles, 1-2 LSM, and 1-2 Faceoff.
No more than 21 players.
Any competitive club that rosters more than 22 is basically looking to collect cash from a bunch of bench warmers.
We are now at an age where kids have pretty significant stamina. Top clubs are going to let the best players play. That means the top 3 attack will play most of the game and #4 or #5 will get a few minutes at most. At midfield, if the team is using 2 SSDM's and 1-2 LSM's you will only need 3-5 offensive mids. At Defense, max of 5 players because on man down, your LSM is going to be on the field. Add in 2 goalies and 1-2 Faceoff mids.
Ideal numbers for playing time and effectiveness would be:
Attack 4
O Mid 4
Faceoff 2
D Mid 2
LSM 2
Def 5
Goalie 2
Total: 21
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
lose.
Box substitutions/coaching are horrific throughout 2028-2029 except for the very top teams. Coaches seem intent on subbing out middies, even defending fast breaks, and in almost all cases, it leads to a LONGER not SHORTER man-down (or 2 man down) defense for their team. I've watched so many times over the past few years, the SSDM or LSM (or both) has sprinted 3 steps on the field, and their team gives up a goal. That is just poor coaching. Coaches also seem intent on pulling LSMs off the field immediately upon possession, and several times a game you'll see the LSM still trotting off when his offense turns it over and the ball heads back the other way. It's hard to watch.
So why do coaches do it? My guesses:
1- Tryouts lead to the selection of long legged, goofy/skinny LSMs who can't really defend, can't really body up, and certainly don't "know defense."
2 - Tryouts lead to the selection of some big LSMs who can't actually play offense except from running it up and shooting vs lower quality defenders.
3 - Tryouts lead to the selection of fast midfielders who straight up refuse to ride or play any defense in a real game situation (as soon as tryouts are over). Which creates the need to quickly get them off the field when the offensive unit loses possession.
Amen, and don’t get me started on how they evaluate/coach/play defense overall.
As a lifelong player and a nearly 10 year coach, "how they evaluate" for any possession (except goalie and attack) prior to 9th grade is: Speed (50%), Height (30%), Aggression (10%), All other combined stick skills, position skills, and IQ (10%). If you watch mediocre (Hoco AA and AAA) teams play at 7th grade and 8th grade, you'll notice that the play is fast.....but not good. Poor FO technique, missed passes, poor clears, half-hearted rides, ridiculous low percentage shots, running into double teams, etc.
Hey but the boys are big, fast, and "buzzin'" so I assume it's good lacrosse lol.
Lax is a game of speed. It's pretty difficult to play at a high level, regardless of your stick skills and game IQ if you don't have elite speed.
The best middle school clubs still prioritize speed/height/aggression but they are drawing from a talent pool where everyone has a good stick and excellent game IQ.
In middle school, the physical differences in kids due to varying starts in puberty is so vast that it has to be a primary factor. I know one kid that in 5th grade looked like the next Grant Ament. Kid wasn't big but was super quick with ridiculous dodges and great vision. Fast forward to 8th grade and he hasn't grown an inch. He still has the same speed/stick/IQ but now defenders are even faster and have 50-70 lbs on him. He now looks pedestrian.
This weeks game summary I was able to watch most of the games or at least a half of the games. (Not looking to start negative discussion but rather talk about play)
Common Mistakes noticed in all the games. Still saw a lot of teams not use the shot clock to their advantage but rather it was to their detriment. Coaching through the box and managing players coming on and off the field caused for player confusion. I really noticed at a 2028 game where players where not ready to come on the field and a team was 2 players down in transition.
lose.
Box substitutions/coaching are horrific throughout 2028-2029 except for the very top teams. Coaches seem intent on subbing out middies, even defending fast breaks, and in almost all cases, it leads to a LONGER not SHORTER man-down (or 2 man down) defense for their team. I've watched so many times over the past few years, the SSDM or LSM (or both) has sprinted 3 steps on the field, and their team gives up a goal. That is just poor coaching. Coaches also seem intent on pulling LSMs off the field immediately upon possession, and several times a game you'll see the LSM still trotting off when his offense turns it over and the ball heads back the other way. It's hard to watch.
So why do coaches do it? My guesses:
1- Tryouts lead to the selection of long legged, goofy/skinny LSMs who can't really defend, can't really body up, and certainly don't "know defense."
2 - Tryouts lead to the selection of some big LSMs who can't actually play offense except from running it up and shooting vs lower quality defenders.
3 - Tryouts lead to the selection of fast midfielders who straight up refuse to ride or play any defense in a real game situation (as soon as tryouts are over). Which creates the need to quickly get them off the field when the offensive unit loses possession.
Amen, and don’t get me started on how they evaluate/coach/play defense overall.
As a lifelong player and a nearly 10 year coach, "how they evaluate" for any possession (except goalie and attack) prior to 9th grade is: Speed (50%), Height (30%), Aggression (10%), All other combined stick skills, position skills, and IQ (10%). If you watch mediocre (Hoco AA and AAA) teams play at 7th grade and 8th grade, you'll notice that the play is fast.....but not good. Poor FO technique, missed passes, poor clears, half-hearted rides, ridiculous low percentage shots, running into double teams, etc.
Hey but the boys are big, fast, and "buzzin'" so I assume it's good lacrosse lol.
Lax has always been a game of speed. It's pretty difficult to play at a high level, regardless of your stick skills and game IQ if you don't have elite speed. But now, programs are starting to favor size as well. Look at the d for Virginia... average height of their def is 6'6".
The best middle school clubs still prioritize speed/height/aggression but they are drawing from a talent pool where everyone has a good stick and excellent game IQ.
In middle school, the physical differences in kids due to varying starts in puberty is so vast that it has to be a primary factor. I know one kid that in 5th grade looked like the next Grant Ament. Kid wasn't big but was super quick with ridiculous dodges and great vision. Fast forward to 8th grade and he hasn't grown an inch. He still has the same speed/stick/IQ but now defenders are even faster and have 50-70 lbs on him. He now looks pedestrian.
Lax has always been a game of speed. It's pretty difficult to play at a high level, regardless of your stick skills and game IQ if you don't have elite speed. But now, programs are starting to favor size as well. Look at the d for Virginia... average height of their def is 6'6".
The best middle school clubs still prioritize speed/height/aggression but they are drawing from a talent pool where everyone has a good stick and excellent game IQ.
In middle school, the physical differences in kids due to varying starts in puberty is so vast that it has to be a primary factor. I know one kid that in 5th grade looked like the next Grant Ament. Kid wasn't big but was super quick with ridiculous dodges and great vision. Fast forward to 8th grade and he hasn't grown an inch. He still has the same speed/stick/IQ but now defenders are even faster and have 50-70 lbs on him. He now looks pedestrian.
I've witnessed this as well. I've also seen more athletic kids not develop their stick skills and now have become liabilities on the field. Have to have both for Elite. Having said that, athleticism masks a ton of deficiencies in the stick still department but it never lasts.
Thoughts on today’s games and elite division? My take so far…
Hawks and Madlax - top two, probably the the championship game
True Chesapeake - winning but don’t look as strong as I thought they would. Not impressed
Next Level - same as with TC, not impressed
FCA - has some talent, but struggling. Up or tied at half and losing
LTLC - dark horse, might be in top four
91 and Predators - bottom two
Some surprising scores yesterday for sure.
Legends as expected in middle of the pack, next week will be a big test
FCA is struggling without the older boys helping them out.
NL and TC have definitely not lived up to the hype, but are still very much in the hunt. TC will be tested next week.
Hawks as expected with goalie continuing to fly in.
Madlax fixed whatever was plaguing them and are rolling again
91 and Preds wishing they were in AAA
This weeks game summary.
Common things noticed this weekend. There have been less shot clock issues. Teams seem to be adjusting. The play is much more physical. The lacrosse IQ game is lagging behind the speed and physical play. Coaching IQ is hit or miss and those coaches that have it manage games much better. Teams that use players in key roles are better off than using players as “Heros”. The top 5 teams are closer than ever.
How would team 91 or Predators do if AAA this year? Would they dominate or just be in the mix?
Elite
Legends v. Team 91. Legends
As expected Legends won. Legends has a tough group of kids that grind through many situations. The biggest set back that I noticed from game to game was the inconsistency in game play and tempo. As seen in the game with 91. A few times 91 came down and scored back to back goals with limited adjustment with the defense. Legends eventually shut that down to put the game in their hands for a win. 91 won more face offs than expected leading to goals. Hopefully the caching picks up on this and uses it to their advantage. 91’s defense struggled with legends movement of ball and the strength they bring with size and scoring ability. It’s apparent that 91 uses their stronger players to push through situations through out the game with limited support from other players. Maybe 91 needs to develop and incorporate more of there support players in the rotation to build confidence in their play. There were “glimpses” of good lacrosse which were out weighed by the speed and strength of elite level lacrosse. Legends gets better from week to week, with them being able to finish off games. Legends needs to focus on limiting the small mistakes that lead to larger turnover outcomes. This is something that will be corrected and is apparent with of field coaching.
Madlax v. Hawks
Didn’t see this game but would love to watch a video of it. Two of the best teams around. As expected a one goal game. Could have gone either way
FCA v. Next Level, Next Level.
So another loss for FCA. I was hoping for FCA to win this one. I wanted to see how the team dealt with adversity. In the first half it was back and forth with FCA setting the tone and tempo of the game. FCA looked as though they were getting back to the level of previous seasons. Fast ball movement, consistent outcomes off face-offs, and limited mistakes kept them in the game. This also included getting all players on the field involved. FCA limited their shot clock issues and in return got a good first half. Next Level came to play, however seemed a step behind FCA always playing a slight game of catch up. Next Level struggled in the mid-field with FCA winning the ball. So the second half was a different story. Next Level adjusted the game play to suit their style - deliberate, simple, and focused. These adjustments seemed to throw FCA off, causing the defense to lose sight of players cutting, setting picks, and off ball movement. There were many times when the defense was looking around as to where they should be and who they should cover causing their teammates to try to compensate for the lack of slides. Defensively FCA lost many ground balls on their side of the field. Offensively FCA, relied on their key players to make things happen. Relying on these players so heavily in the second half limited the production and success that they brought in the first half. Frustration in players was apparent on the field from week to week possible cause for low moral. NL used their strengths to their success while using FCA’s lack of discipline at times to their advantage. NL is a good team, but not quite a great team yet. This match up should have gone in another direction with an FCA win. They have the talent to succeed. One win since the fall is very uncharacteristic. I know it sounds repetitive, but how will FCA respond when the chips are down, both in player resilience and coaching adjustments. Next Level will play a solid game next week and should be able to handle 91 with relative ease.
True Chesapeake v. Predators -
The score was much closer than I would expected. Does true play down to the level of the team they are playing. I have not been overly impressed with the team. While they are very good there is still a lack of complete dominance. The goal production is low with an average of 8 goals per game especially against weaker teams.
Next Weeks Predictions
Predators v FCA - FCA +5 Spoiler Game
TC v Hawks - Hawks +3
Madlax v Legends - Madlax +1
Team 91 v Next Level - Next Level +10
AAA
This week had a lot of close games with low numbers in goals. How would team 91 or Predators do if AAA?
Pro Start v. NOVA - NOVA is putting up goals through out the season while this game was close the goal production is consistent from week to week. Are NOVA the team to beat. Is Prostart able to pig up steam and begin producing.
Bethesda Blue v. Carroll Manor - Game played out as I thought. Carroll Manor was able to limit the goals to win another game. CM will have to increase goal production to continue to win .
Shore Kaos v. HoCo - Hoco - Not Played Yet
Annapolis Hawks v. Team Maryland - Well This was a close one with TM possibly squeeking this one out. Team Maryland has the goal production to have won this game.
Next Weeks Predictions
Hawks v. HoCo - Hawks +3
Shore Kaos v. Carroll Manor - Carroll Manor +3
Prostart v. Team MD - Team MD +2 Spoiler Game
True NOVA - Bethesda Blue - NOVA +3
This weeks game summary.
Common things noticed this weekend. There have been less shot clock issues. Teams seem to be adjusting. The play is much more physical. The lacrosse IQ game is lagging behind the speed and physical play. Coaching IQ is hit or miss and those coaches that have it manage games much better. Teams that use players in key roles are better off than using players as “Heros”. The top 5 teams are closer than ever.
How would team 91 or Predators do if AAA this year? Would they dominate or just be in the mix?
Elite
Legends v. Team 91. Legends
As expected Legends won. Legends has a tough group of kids that grind through many situations. The biggest set back that I noticed from game to game was the inconsistency in game play and tempo. As seen in the game with 91. A few times 91 came down and scored back to back goals with limited adjustment with the defense. Legends eventually shut that down to put the game in their hands for a win. 91 won more face offs than expected leading to goals. Hopefully the caching picks up on this and uses it to their advantage. 91’s defense struggled with legends movement of ball and the strength they bring with size and scoring ability. It’s apparent that 91 uses their stronger players to push through situations through out the game with limited support from other players. Maybe 91 needs to develop and incorporate more of there support players in the rotation to build confidence in their play. There were “glimpses” of good lacrosse which were out weighed by the speed and strength of elite level lacrosse. Legends gets better from week to week, with them being able to finish off games. Legends needs to focus on limiting the small mistakes that lead to larger turnover outcomes. This is something that will be corrected and is apparent with of field coaching.
Madlax v. Hawks
Didn’t see this game but would love to watch a video of it. Two of the best teams around. As expected a one goal game. Could have gone either way
FCA v. Next Level, Next Level.
So another loss for FCA. I was hoping for FCA to win this one. I wanted to see how the team dealt with adversity. In the first half it was back and forth with FCA setting the tone and tempo of the game. FCA looked as though they were getting back to the level of previous seasons. Fast ball movement, consistent outcomes off face-offs, and limited mistakes kept them in the game. This also included getting all players on the field involved. FCA limited their shot clock issues and in return got a good first half. Next Level came to play, however seemed a step behind FCA always playing a slight game of catch up. Next Level struggled in the mid-field with FCA winning the ball. So the second half was a different story. Next Level adjusted the game play to suit their style - deliberate, simple, and focused. These adjustments seemed to throw FCA off, causing the defense to lose sight of players cutting, setting picks, and off ball movement. There were many times when the defense was looking around as to where they should be and who they should cover causing their teammates to try to compensate for the lack of slides. Defensively FCA lost many ground balls on their side of the field. Offensively FCA, relied on their key players to make things happen. Relying on these players so heavily in the second half limited the production and success that they brought in the first half. Frustration in players was apparent on the field from week to week possible cause for low moral. NL used their strengths to their success while using FCA’s lack of discipline at times to their advantage. NL is a good team, but not quite a great team yet. This match up should have gone in another direction with an FCA win. They have the talent to succeed. One win since the fall is very uncharacteristic. I know it sounds repetitive, but how will FCA respond when the chips are down, both in player resilience and coaching adjustments. Next Level will play a solid game next week and should be able to handle 91 with relative ease.
True Chesapeake v. Predators -
The score was much closer than I would expected. Does true play down to the level of the team they are playing. I have not been overly impressed with the team. While they are very good there is still a lack of complete dominance. The goal production is low with an average of 8 goals per game especially against weaker teams.
Next Weeks Predictions
Predators v FCA - FCA +5 Spoiler Game
TC v Hawks - Hawks +3
Madlax v Legends - Madlax +1
Team 91 v Next Level - Next Level +10
AAA
This week had a lot of close games with low numbers in goals. How would team 91 or Predators do if AAA?
Pro Start v. NOVA - NOVA is putting up goals through out the season while this game was close the goal production is consistent from week to week. Are NOVA the team to beat. Is Prostart able to pig up steam and begin producing.
Bethesda Blue v. Carroll Manor - Game played out as I thought. Carroll Manor was able to limit the goals to win another game. CM will have to increase goal production to continue to win .
Shore Kaos v. HoCo - Hoco - Not Played Yet
Annapolis Hawks v. Team Maryland - Well This was a close one with TM possibly squeeking this one out. Team Maryland has the goal production to have won this game.
Next Weeks Predictions
Hawks v. HoCo - Hawks +3
Shore Kaos v. Carroll Manor - Carroll Manor +3
Prostart v. Team MD - Team MD +2 Spoiler Game
True NOVA - Bethesda Blue - NOVA +3
Fantastic write up! Keep them coming!
If anyone has a link to the Hawks madlax game please share would love to see great play.
This weeks game summary.
Common things noticed this weekend. There have been less shot clock issues. Teams seem to be adjusting. The play is much more physical. The lacrosse IQ game is lagging behind the speed and physical play. Coaching IQ is hit or miss and those coaches that have it manage games much better. Teams that use players in key roles are better off than using players as “Heros”. The top 5 teams are closer than ever.
How would team 91 or Predators do if AAA this year? Would they dominate or just be in the mix?
Elite
Legends v. Team 91. Legends
As expected Legends won. Legends has a tough group of kids that grind through many situations. The biggest set back that I noticed from game to game was the inconsistency in game play and tempo. As seen in the game with 91. A few times 91 came down and scored back to back goals with limited adjustment with the defense. Legends eventually shut that down to put the game in their hands for a win. 91 won more face offs than expected leading to goals. Hopefully the caching picks up on this and uses it to their advantage. 91’s defense struggled with legends movement of ball and the strength they bring with size and scoring ability. It’s apparent that 91 uses their stronger players to push through situations through out the game with limited support from other players. Maybe 91 needs to develop and incorporate more of there support players in the rotation to build confidence in their play. There were “glimpses” of good lacrosse which were out weighed by the speed and strength of elite level lacrosse. Legends gets better from week to week, with them being able to finish off games. Legends needs to focus on limiting the small mistakes that lead to larger turnover outcomes. This is something that will be corrected and is apparent with of field coaching.
Madlax v. Hawks
Didn’t see this game but would love to watch a video of it. Two of the best teams around. As expected a one goal game. Could have gone either way
FCA v. Next Level, Next Level.
So another loss for FCA. I was hoping for FCA to win this one. I wanted to see how the team dealt with adversity. In the first half it was back and forth with FCA setting the tone and tempo of the game. FCA looked as though they were getting back to the level of previous seasons. Fast ball movement, consistent outcomes off face-offs, and limited mistakes kept them in the game. This also included getting all players on the field involved. FCA limited their shot clock issues and in return got a good first half. Next Level came to play, however seemed a step behind FCA always playing a slight game of catch up. Next Level struggled in the mid-field with FCA winning the ball. So the second half was a different story. Next Level adjusted the game play to suit their style - deliberate, simple, and focused. These adjustments seemed to throw FCA off, causing the defense to lose sight of players cutting, setting picks, and off ball movement. There were many times when the defense was looking around as to where they should be and who they should cover causing their teammates to try to compensate for the lack of slides. Defensively FCA lost many ground balls on their side of the field. Offensively FCA, relied on their key players to make things happen. Relying on these players so heavily in the second half limited the production and success that they brought in the first half. Frustration in players was apparent on the field from week to week possible cause for low moral. NL used their strengths to their success while using FCA’s lack of discipline at times to their advantage. NL is a good team, but not quite a great team yet. This match up should have gone in another direction with an FCA win. They have the talent to succeed. One win since the fall is very uncharacteristic. I know it sounds repetitive, but how will FCA respond when the chips are down, both in player resilience and coaching adjustments. Next Level will play a solid game next week and should be able to handle 91 with relative ease.
True Chesapeake v. Predators -
The score was much closer than I would expected. Does true play down to the level of the team they are playing. I have not been overly impressed with the team. While they are very good there is still a lack of complete dominance. The goal production is low with an average of 8 goals per game especially against weaker teams.
Next Weeks Predictions
Predators v FCA - FCA +5 Spoiler Game
TC v Hawks - Hawks +3
Madlax v Legends - Madlax +1
Team 91 v Next Level - Next Level +10
AAA
This week had a lot of close games with low numbers in goals. How would team 91 or Predators do if AAA?
Pro Start v. NOVA - NOVA is putting up goals through out the season while this game was close the goal production is consistent from week to week. Are NOVA the team to beat. Is Prostart able to pig up steam and begin producing.
Bethesda Blue v. Carroll Manor - Game played out as I thought. Carroll Manor was able to limit the goals to win another game. CM will have to increase goal production to continue to win .
Shore Kaos v. HoCo - Hoco - Not Played Yet
Annapolis Hawks v. Team Maryland - Well This was a close one with TM possibly squeeking this one out. Team Maryland has the goal production to have won this game.
Next Weeks Predictions
Hawks v. HoCo - Hawks +3
Shore Kaos v. Carroll Manor - Carroll Manor +3
Prostart v. Team MD - Team MD +2 Spoiler Game
True NOVA - Bethesda Blue - NOVA +3
Fantastic write up! Keep them coming!
Great write up!
Heard "Hawks Goalie" didn't fly in for the Madlax game?
Also saw FCA vs. Next Level game before ours. FCA had FOGO back on the field, but was without top two defenders now due to injuries, and lost there LSM in the 3rd quarter to what looked like an ankle injury.
LTRC definitely played down to Team 91's level, but they also were giving runs to a lot of players who traditionally don't get as mush time.
Injuries do occur and can affect performance, but in shouldn't be an excuse for players not knowing their assignment. There is a reason why everyone practices and takes reps. Note: When players practice, whether you are on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd shift, always be present and practice like you will play because you never know when you will be called upon.
Nothing will ever be enough. June isn't enough, it should be Sept, if it was Sept, it would not be enough. Instead of working with their kids to get better, they would rather troll sites like this to justify the "victimization". Besides, if a kid is born in Aug and it was a Sept cut off, they would still complain as if that whole month made a world of difference (given families are on vacation and taking a break before school and fall lacrosse).
The whole age based verification was done for one simple reason - money. A venture capital firm was buying up lacrosse clubs/venues and developed their own age verification software to be used. NLF or a few club teams within it, saw it for what it was and approached US Lacrosse to initiate age verification on their end to productize it and make money by charging parents. That is the only reason age verification came about and how quickly it finally materialized.
Injuries do occur and can affect performance, but in shouldn't be an excuse for players not knowing their assignment. There is a reason why everyone practices and takes reps. Note: When players practice, whether you are on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd shift, always be present and practice like you will play because you never know when you will be called upon.
I love all the posts claiming the loss of high performing older players is the cause for certain clubs struggling yet when clubs have high performing player out due to injury, that can’t be an excuse. Haha. So pathetic.
There’s a reason a 3rd string player is not a first string player and it’s not because he isn’t “being present in practice and knowing his assignment”.
The point is that when a 2nd string player comes in to replace the Injured player he should know what to do as in positioning, play calling, etc. he might not be as athletic but can’t look lost on the field.
Nothing will ever be enough. June isn't enough, it should be Sept, if it was Sept, it would not be enough. Instead of working with their kids to get better, they would rather troll sites like this to justify the "victimization". Besides, if a kid is born in Aug and it was a Sept cut off, they would still complain as if that whole month made a world of difference (given families are on vacation and taking a break before school and fall lacrosse).
Spoken like an apologist for holdbacks. well done. It should be any month and date, Sept seems best as it is month that mostly aligns with school. And If it was, No one would complain except for people like you whose son is born in the summer.
Love the it is only " one month thing " holdback apologist. What about the boy who wasn't held back that your son goes against. Oops it is at minimum a year, and could be much more. The least it can be is a month and frankly it is usually much much more, but keep telling yourself it is only a month , if it makes you feel good for your son to play down.
Same goes for If it was January, no one would complain after awhile as it would be the same for everyone. Well you would again complain as your son cant play down.
What people dont like, which you holdback apologists cant address, is why does your son get an advantage to play down over another fathers son born on same exact day. best rule would be to let everyone play down if they want, just like you do with your son.
And I am talking about youth sports to 8th grade, so dont try the "they play against older in HS" holdback argument
Injuries do occur and can affect performance, but in shouldn't be an excuse for players not knowing their assignment. There is a reason why everyone practices and takes reps. Note: When players practice, whether you are on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd shift, always be present and practice like you will play because you never know when you will be called upon.
I love all the posts claiming the loss of high performing older players is the cause for certain clubs struggling yet when clubs have high performing player out due to injury, that can’t be an excuse. Haha. So pathetic.
There’s a reason a 3rd string player is not a first string player and it’s not because he isn’t “being present in practice and knowing his assignment”.
There is a reason many players look better after going out on field . They get playing time and better practice time. How do you suppose some player who looked terrible going out occasionally one year , becomes some decent player next year after starting. Playing time and reps.
Not that hard to figure out.
Still talking about holdbacks? Seasons about 1/2 way through. SMH. Wish i had this much extra time.
Injuries do occur and can affect performance, but in shouldn't be an excuse for players not knowing their assignment. There is a reason why everyone practices and takes reps. Note: When players practice, whether you are on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd shift, always be present and practice like you will play because you never know when you will be called upon.
I love all the posts claiming the loss of high performing older players is the cause for certain clubs struggling yet when clubs have high performing player out due to injury, that can’t be an excuse. Haha. So pathetic.
There’s a reason a 3rd string player is not a first string player and it’s not because he isn’t “being present in practice and knowing his assignment”.
There is a reason many players look better after going out on field . They get playing time and better practice time. How do you suppose some player who looked terrible going out occasionally one year , becomes some decent player next year after starting. Playing time and reps.
Not that hard to figure out.
If the great equalizer is playing time, all teams should perform similarly. After all, their starters are all getting similar playing time.
The bottom line is some kids simply have more TALENT. Some of that could be an early puberty but much of it simply comes from innate athletic ability.
That's life and it's not going to change. It's why some pro athletes command deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars and other only get the veteran minimum. Playing time won't bridge that gap.
And I am talking about youth sports to 8th grade, so dont try the "they play against older in HS" holdback argument
Somebody had a rough game last weekend. LMAO
Why is 1 year all of a sudden the max "reasonable" age difference? What's wrong with U12, or U14 teams? What about the middle school kids who play on mixed grade teams? Should we ban them too?
The holdback thing has been addressed. The whiners won. Now go outside and touch some grass and celebrate. Maybe if you still aren't comfortable with playing against older kids you should find a nice town league to play on and leave everyone else alone.
Actually correct. After this season, which ends on August 31, 2024, US Club Lacrosse will not verify ages for the 2029s. Not sure what HoCo’s rules will be, but as for Club Lacrosse, holdbacks will once again be allowed.