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Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/30/18 04:46 PM

Use this thread to discuss the Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 Season
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 02:59 AM

Any information about the new 2023 Green Turtle team? Is it just Lax World rebranded with the same players? Who will be the coach?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 04:08 PM

I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 05:46 PM

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.


The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.


It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.


The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?


I guess they should change their entire website and tryout flyer since it says “Green Turtle Lacrosse Club Towson”. They have historically got kids from the Towson area, but you knew that. Way to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.


It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.


DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?


This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.


It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.


DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.


Still between DC Dogs and Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.


It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.


DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.


Both are trying out for Hawks too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 09:52 PM

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Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md

Still between DC Dogs and Hawks.
[/quote]

That is a good matchup and will be the finals repeat but I think NL is also in the elite division mix along with DCE, LOONEY, crabs, FCA all competing for 3rd and 4th place. Who will be the last team in or will they expand to 10 or retract to 6 or will 91 do another year? Tryout results and fall play day tournaments should help determine this. Sadly this is the last year for these kids where W and L's really matter much to the kids at the club level. Next year it is all about showcasing and how they play. HS team is where the wins and losses will matter.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 07/31/18 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.


The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?


I guess they should change their entire website and tryout flyer since it says “Green Turtle Lacrosse Club Towson”. They have historically got kids from the Towson area, but you knew that. Way to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.


Oh, well if it says “Towson” but practices in the City it is a Towson club. So only people that live in Towson will be interested. Makes sense. Maybe they can add elite to the team, then it will be an elite rather than A team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.


The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?


I guess they should change their entire website and tryout flyer since it says “Green Turtle Lacrosse Club Towson”. They have historically got kids from the Towson area, but you knew that. Way to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.


Oh, well if it says “Towson” but practices in the City it is a Towson club. So only people that live in Towson will be interested. Makes sense. Maybe they can add elite to the team, then it will be an elite rather than A team.


Easy there girl. If you look at surrounding area, Towson is one of easiest drives to place.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.


It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.


DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.


Both are trying out for Hawks too.


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.


It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.


DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.


Both are trying out for Hawks too.


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


If that is what daddy ball these days, sign my kid up. Oh wait, you are right, let’s have the recent college X grade coach just to say the team has no dad coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.


Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.


It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.


DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.


Both are trying out for Hawks too.


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 03:49 PM

At the 2023 grade year, which clubs from last season extend automatic invites to returning players rather than having a true open tryout?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 04:09 PM

What’s the buzz on tryouts for Crabs? Any of the strong players that left in past years returning? Any stars leaving?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.


If there weren't any dad coaches you most likely wouldn't have many teams to chose from. I don't know many young college D1 players who can put the time in that the dad coaches put in without pay and work a full time job . You are going to have unhappy parents and kids on every team. I am assuming if the Hawks team is beating the teams with High School coaches and D1 coaches then they must be doing something right!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents
Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.


If there weren't any dad coaches you most likely wouldn't have many teams to chose from. I don't know many young college D1 players who can put the time in that the dad coaches put in without pay and work a full time job . You are going to have unhappy parents and kids on every team. I am assuming if the Hawks team is beating the teams with High School coaches and D1 coaches then they must be doing something right!


Yep - they run a fantastic 3-3 zone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 07:04 PM

From what I understand the bigger issue with the parents/kids is the zone defense. Either that or they are just tired of winning. However, for my final answer I will go with not enough playing time for everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 07:05 PM

According to a previous poster, now that RM is taking over, 50% of the last year's team is cut and heads will roll with this year's team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/01/18 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.


All teams will have that. Do you think those same parents will feel better if they are getting the same amount of minutes, same roles if next year it is other kids besides the coaches on the team? Answer is "No" I wouldn't be surprised if at least 1 coaches son doesn't make the team. It has happened before.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/02/18 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.


As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/02/18 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Rednecks
Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents
Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.


As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"


A Motley Crue quote from a hawks RN parent. Perfect!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/02/18 01:42 PM

It all starts with crabs tonight ... invites start going out after the tryout and players come off the board ... big crab hand picks the team to coach this year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/02/18 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It all starts with crabs tonight ... invites start going out after the tryout and players come off the board ... big crab hand picks the team to coach this year


How many of last season’s 22’s will be there?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/02/18 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Rednecks
Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents
Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.


As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"


A Motley Crue quote from a hawks RN parent. Perfect!


Has to be the goalie dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/02/18 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Find a real club
Originally Posted by Daddy ball
Originally Posted by Rednecks
Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents
Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat
Originally Posted by Hawks stink


Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?


What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?


Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.


As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"


A Motley Crue quote from a hawks RN parent. Perfect!


Has to be the goalie dad.


Could be any one of the RN parents. They love motley crue, 33 zones, and moon shine.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 12:49 PM

I love daddy ball...paid coaches are OVER RATED...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 12:59 PM

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie


That's surprising. He's pretty good (albeit a bit emotional).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie


Where is the 'old' one going? He was a stud!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie



we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 04:25 PM

So, you’re telling me that Hawks already had their tryouts and you saw who was there?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie



we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for


Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 06:58 PM

Stop trying to create drama... Win or lose, Hawks 2023 are relatively drama-free. Sorry the rest of you can't enjoy the same.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie



we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for


Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?

This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 08:14 PM

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/03/18 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.


That's laughable. Minimal impact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/04/18 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.


That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/04/18 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.


That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

He's slow and not that good just need to be prepared and he's easily guardable. He also doesn't pass and gets frustrated quick.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/04/18 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.


That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.


Thanks, Dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/04/18 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.


That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.


Maybe that was a Hawks parent saying that? It was 10-0 in the 1st period when Hawks and NL played.....minimal impact.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/04/18 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.


That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

He's slow and not that good just need to be prepared and he's easily guardable. He also doesn't pass and gets frustrated quick.


The only thing making DCDogs legit is they have a couple double holdbacks. If your kid can drive the summer going into HS you as a parent are a DB...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.


That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

He's slow and not that good just need to be prepared and he's easily guardable. He also doesn't pass and gets frustrated quick.


The only thing making DCDogs legit is they have a couple double holdbacks. If your kid can drive the summer going into HS you as a parent are a DB...

Just curious why DC Dogs? Now that it is a new season why did this team not just become MADLAX Capital?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 12:36 PM

Surprised no chatter on 2023 tryouts. Heard Crabs has a bunch of talent coming from DC area and they are finalizing team after yesterday's tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surprised no chatter on 2023 tryouts. Heard Crabs has a bunch of talent coming from DC area and they are finalizing team after yesterday's tryouts


Your heard? Who did you hear it from? What else did you here? Probably no chatter because the loud mouth dads don’t know which team junior will play for. Once that is settled, the trash talk will resume. Stay tuned...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surprised no chatter on 2023 tryouts. Heard Crabs has a bunch of talent coming from DC area and they are finalizing team after yesterday's tryouts

What does one consider the DC area these days. Is Howard Co the DC area? Montgomery? I would not think many N.VA kids would drive 2 hours each way to Crabs practice. Some play NL and DC Dogs. There is a lot of movement in NOVA teams this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 03:44 PM

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 04:02 PM

Does ANYBODY know about Mad Dog West that went to the WSYL?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 04:47 PM

Ive heard that S2S has a new coach, that is the head coach of St.Dominics.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.


Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ive heard that S2S has a new coach, that is the head coach of St.Dominics.

Apparently a bunch of DC area kids are trying out for a team in NY and the West Coast. That is why people are posting on the MidAtlantic board. But I guess a flight or train ride to NY is still faster than driving the Beltway to Baltimore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.


Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.


The poster’s suggestion that the roster include birthdates (or how about an asterix) was not making any excuse or even expressing a complaint. He merely suggested that parents be informed, and he invited opposing opinion. Hammerhead dads that protect an older snowflake child make the excuse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.


Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.


A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.


Of course he wants to keep telling his 15 yr old how great he is beating 13 year olds. Keep living your life thru your kid great for both of you...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.


Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.


A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.


This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 08:19 PM

Still better than attacking specific rising 8th graders
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.


Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.


A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.


This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...



Posting ages/birthdates can also have an adverse effect... what happens when you finally see that ‘that kid’ the one everyone talks about and everyone swears is a hold back and driving to the game... is actually on age or at most only a month or two older than on-age... then what do you say to your child, because for years it has been - they are only bigger and better because they are older... but now you may actually have to explain to your kid that some kids are just bigger and better. It is a fact - and is the case with most players that people complain about on this forum.

Next year... maybe not the case, but this year on some of the strongest teams, the kids you think are holdbacks just aren’t. So yes, maybe it would be nice to have the rosters with birthdates posted just to shut some people up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/06/18 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?


Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.


Typical holdback dad response.


Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.


A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.


This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...


I agree. This discussion is tired. My kid is not a star player or a holdback. I am still done hearing the whiners on both sides of the debate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 12:02 AM

Does McDonogh require 8th grade transfers to repeat that grade? Does the lacrosse coach commend it? Or do parents independently make that decision? Seems like that school is winning the 8th grade transfer holdback lacrosse game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 12:14 AM

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.[/quote]

A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.[/quote]

This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...
[/quote]

I agree. This discussion is tired. My kid is not a star player or a holdback. I am still done hearing the whiners on both sides of the debate. [/quote]
Yup. Also the same guy arguing with himself sometimes. Yawn ... next topic please.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 02:29 AM

2023 is the year of Holdback like most 8th grade years are. With travel so easy , many regions after playing in Mid Atlantic region see what holding your child back does. It was only a matter of time.
Holdbacks numbers are increasing every year. I dont think it is a good thing for the game in long run, but it is what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 03:40 AM

What do you want to know? My sons team has played them several times over the past few years and knows some of the boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 05:06 AM

I don't understand why people cry and complain about holdbacks. You should be thanking them. They are only hurting themselves to make your kid better. My kid plays up and I love it when he gets to go against kids that are a year or even two years older. The kids that are heldback are held back for a reason. They are not that good and they are not cutting it at their real age group. The kids that are playing up are the ones that are getting better and that will dominate come high school. The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't understand why people cry and complain about holdbacks. You should be thanking them. They are only hurting themselves to make your kid better. My kid plays up and I love it when he gets to go against kids that are a year or even two years older. The kids that are heldback are held back for a reason. They are not that good and they are not cutting it at their real age group. The kids that are playing up are the ones that are getting better and that will dominate come high school. The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.


Here we go again... don't you all have anything else to discuss???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't understand why people cry and complain about holdbacks. You should be thanking them. They are only hurting themselves to make your kid better. My kid plays up and I love it when he gets to go against kids that are a year or even two years older. The kids that are heldback are held back for a reason. They are not that good and they are not cutting it at their real age group. The kids that are playing up are the ones that are getting better and that will dominate come high school. The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.


You are wrong. Many holdbacks are born between May and Aug. Many are actually talented players who would be decent players at their proper age group. Hold them back a year and put them to the head of their age group and they turn into good players.

Being the oldest has helped secure a spot on starting lines ups in youth and it carries thru to HS.
The MIAA is Holdback central. It works. BL, McD are loaded with Holdback starters. Put your head in sand and it doesnt work, there is a reason every coach in MIAA has held his son or daughter back.

Age in youth to 8th grade and grade in HS..Common sense and the way it was in Lacrosse until about 5 years ago.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 12:53 PM

You're crazy... holdbacks don't get lapped, they take spots from kids that are doing right. Age based teams are the way to go. Basketball and soccer have stopped the holdback BS. its time for lax to step up and stop it. Lacrosse is the only sport that allows holdbacks. STOP THE MADNESS...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
... The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.


Those are the exceptions and not the rule.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does McDonogh require 8th grade transfers to repeat that grade? Does the lacrosse coach commend it? Or do parents independently make that decision? Seems like that school is winning the 8th grade transfer holdback lacrosse game.


Not a requirement. I know I handful of lacrosse players there. None of those repeated 8th grade. Some were held back previously ie preK. Parent decision but would guess school recommends if kid needs to catch up academically. I'm in no way a McD insider. I think most if not all private schools that have a middle school allow the 8th grade repeat. To my knowledge only "required" if the kid can't meet academic standards needed for admission to 9th grade. Do parents decide to repeat for sports? yes. Do coaches and admissions allow it? yes
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you want to know? My sons team has played them several times over the past few years and knows some of the boys.


How many are not on age. At a minimum, the 3 McD kids who did prefirst and one kid who repeated 6th grade and transferred to BL. Those are the most obvious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 06:36 PM

Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's



How do you have this inside info for all these teams? Because your son tried out for each of those teams and you saw the helmets?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's



How do you have this inside info for all these teams? Because your son tried out for each of those teams and you saw the helmets?


I have zero inside information on the teams(except one) but I do the players and families involved. Sorry your son hasn't received his call yet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You're crazy... holdbacks don't get lapped, they take spots from kids that are doing right. Age based teams are the way to go. Basketball and soccer have stopped the holdback BS. its time for lax to step up and stop it. Lacrosse is the only sport that allows holdbacks. STOP THE MADNESS...


Of course they do. And especially at the younger ages
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/07/18 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does McDonogh require 8th grade transfers to repeat that grade? Does the lacrosse coach commend it? Or do parents independently make that decision? Seems like that school is winning the 8th grade transfer holdback lacrosse game.


Not a requirement. I know I handful of lacrosse players there. None of those repeated 8th grade. Some were held back previously ie preK. Parent decision but would guess school recommends if kid needs to catch up academically. I'm in no way a McD insider. I think most if not all private schools that have a middle school allow the 8th grade repeat. To my knowledge only "required" if the kid can't meet academic standards needed for admission to 9th grade. Do parents decide to repeat for sports? yes. Do coaches and admissions allow it? yes


No requirement, but if you havent been in McD system for a few years, it may be hard to go straight to 9th grade. They are a difficult academic school and your curriculum may not have been as challenging.

As far as Prek goes. If you are a boy and born in the months on June, July, August...You dont go to 1st grade at McD. You go to prefirst. They are very easy if you want holding your Kindergarten boy back born on any month, but those months, short of genius, you are held back. Very few exceptions. Most lower school grades had over 50% of boys heldback a few years ago. I assume it is still the same. And spare me the BS of there isnt that many ... two kids there
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 12:36 AM

[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:13 AM

Just my observation...there were 3 or 4 Crabs helmets at the Looney's tryouts on Sunday morning. Don't know how many, if any, were offered spots or if they accepted. At this point, I believe most teams are asking people to keep offers confidential since there are still additional tryout dates.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.


Where did the Crabs lefty attack man go?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:45 AM

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.


Kind of hard to know which kids are going to make an impact come next Spring. That's a long time for 13 and 14 year old boys. Who knows how many players are going to grow 4 inches, or add 20 pounds of muscle. Or how many are going to spend the Winter getting better, and tougher, playing box (or improving their dodge moves and actually learning how to pick and roll playing basketball).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.


ridiculous statement since I can go to all the teams in 2023 elite and many of their best players started elsewhere
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.


Where did the Crabs lefty attack man go?


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 04:47 AM

Any changes at DC Dogs or Next Level?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 11:28 AM

Crabs will be the most improved team picking up some of the top reclassed kids from 2022 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 12:03 PM

Thought king crab was his 2023 team picked and posted by now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.


Where did the Crabs lefty attack man go?


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.


MM’s son is playing with the 2023 team so no chance it drops from the HoCo elite division. None.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:24 PM

MM’s son is playing with the 2023 team so no chance it drops from the HoCo elite division. None.
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That team has some good players and those guys should be looking elsewhere. There are still tryouts going on. By Spring, they will wish they did and didn't ignore the very clear writing on the wall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.


You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.


91 keeps same daddy coaches, plays only the favorite kids, and invites back all the same players each year before tryouts even begin. Now a winning formula.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 02:04 PM

The Looney's player who left and went to Crabs is a MAJOR impact player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.


You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.

Add to that the clear two best teams are based in AA and Bethesda
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Looney's player who left and went to Crabs is a MAJOR impact player.


Looney's didnt have any MAJOR impact players last year...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Looney's player who left and went to Crabs is a MAJOR impact player.


Thanks Dad! I knew Mom was lying when she said you didn't love me.


laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 02:59 PM

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.


You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.


Only 3 of those won at least one game in elite. So drop Md 91 to AA or A. Calling yourself "elite" does not make it so.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.


People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.


You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.


The starters on those A and B teams will play at better lacrosse schools than those on elite teams watching from the sidelines.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


From what elite 2022 team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any changes at DC Dogs or Next Level?


From what I hear YES!!!, Big Changes
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


From what elite 2022 team?


RawRiders
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


From what elite 2022 team?


He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


From what elite 2022 team?


He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?


The lefty starting attackman for the prior 3 years left.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/08/18 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


From what elite 2022 team?


He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?


The lefty starting attackman for the prior 3 years left.


He left before summer was over. There were other attack on the roster no?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


From what elite 2022 team?


He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?


Don't be surprised if one, or more, of the new players along with some of the returners change positions to midfield. At least one of the returning attackmen was solid and will probably stay on attack. Regardless, the team will be much much stronger than last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.


Remember in Baltimore if you did a prefirst , you are not considered being heldback !! LOL.. I guess when you hold them back in Kindergarden, its a mulligan..
Dont have any idea about this player tho...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 02:15 AM

Let me guess your next comment... “they are all holdbacks”. If you dont like the zone find a way to beat it. Its possible they lost twice last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 02:19 AM

Wrong we are more of a Miller crowd checking out your wife wearing CFM shoes to the lax field.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.


If he's coming to Loyola for 8th this fall, he is a reclass. Just like his older brother.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.


That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.


False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.


If he's coming to Loyola for 8th this fall, he is a reclass. Just like his older brother.


Well Loyola does compete against BL, St P and McD , etc .. They need their share of reclass/prefirst/holdbacks to compete against their reclass/prefirst/holdbacks !

Let keep it real in the MIAA !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 09:48 PM

Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.



Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any changes at DC Dogs or Next Level?


Only change is that they win everything in site next year. Baltimore and LI need to realize the new hotbed is the DCizzle for shizzle. Dirty Dawgs be handling business like it aint nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.


Announcement says director of coaching development
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 10:58 PM

Someone on this forum has an obsession with Koopers - claiming 91 players tried out there, well run, and now Coach P. Don’t recall ever seeing posts about this club here until recent weeks. And the owner/Director don’t have a son in 2023 so, why?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/09/18 11:56 PM

Saw Koopers 2023 players at other tryouts too. Who cares?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.


Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.


This guy is having a conversation with himself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.


Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.


This guy is having a conversation with himself.


Rumor has it that Coach Petro is making a career change. Leaving JHU to coach Koopers 2023. Heard it here first people!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 03:01 AM

Rumor has it that Coach Petro is making a career change. Leaving JHU to coach Koopers 2023. Heard it here first people! [/quote]

And B is the assistant coach...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 10:06 AM

He's not leaving Hopkins! I can confirm that for sure. No way. However, huge move on Kooper's part because you don't hear of big NCAA coaches doing this type of role.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 10:35 AM

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 11:48 AM

And there was 5 Koopers kids at 91 tryouts. Grass is always greener elsewhere. Koopers lost HoCo B to Top Caliber. 91 is winless over two years in HoCo elite. Agree Crabs is irrelevant. No one cares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


Announcement on Petro said his JHU Dir of Ops is also joining Koopers as assistant dir of coaching. Dir of Ops jobs for college lax teams are very low pay. This is mainly a side hustle for the Dir of OPs and Petro lends his name and does a couple of coaches clinics. He's doing a solid for his buddies who run Koopers and his ops guy can pay a few bills. Still great resources for koopers coaches and players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 01:06 PM

I think this is right. Coaching the coaches is likely not a huge commitment in time. I think it’s adding prestige to a club that has struggled outside of the top kids (including Petro’s) on the 2021/22 team.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


Announcement on Petro said his JHU Dir of Ops is also joining Koopers as assistant dir of coaching. Dir of Ops jobs for college lax teams are very low pay. This is mainly a side hustle for the Dir of OPs and Petro lends his name and does a couple of coaches clinics. He's doing a solid for his buddies who run Koopers and his ops guy can pay a few bills. Still great resources for koopers coaches and players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!


His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 01:23 PM

So the new to be formed Green Turtle and revived Breakers (two teams) have not had a tryout yet. What is the outlook there? Any buzz around the rebranded True Maryland Wolfpack, which held a tryout last week?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!


His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!


Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!


His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!


Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown


91 Md won NLF, not Naptown; and it did only win 1 game in HoCo
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.



Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.


His twin boys play for Koopers. No surprise here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!


His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!


Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown


Think he meant T91 2022 won the NLF National Championship which is much more impressive than winning Naptown.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 03:02 PM

Safe to say what year has the super intense parents. The 2023 thread has more than double the pages of any other year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Safe to say what year has the super intense parents. The 2023 thread has more than double the pages of any other year.


Nothing to do with parents. Every year it is same.

8th grade is the big year of holdbacks/reclassed ! All the kids that werent already held back and Daddy thinks cant make it, stay another year in 8th. Causes all kinds of activity.

8th grade is the last year you can play the youth game with kids a year to two older than most of the other players.

8th grade you still think Laxey Johnny is a great player.

High School years has very little activity and especially very little holdback activity.. MIAA is still full of holdbacks but many kids in public along with MIAA arent and the effects are less.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Safe to say what year has the super intense parents. The 2023 thread has more than double the pages of any other year.


Nothing to do with parents. Every year it is same.

8th grade is the big year of holdbacks/reclassed ! All the kids that werent already held back and Daddy thinks cant make it, stay another year in 8th. Causes all kinds of activity.

8th grade is the last year you can play the youth game with kids a year to two older than most of the other players.

8th grade you still think Laxey Johnny is a great player.

High School years has very little activity and especially very little holdback activity.. MIAA is still full of holdbacks but many kids in public along with MIAA arent and the effects are less.


So basically...it’s the parents!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/10/18 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.


Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.


There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!


His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!


Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown


Think he meant T91 2022 won the NLF National Championship which is much more impressive than winning Naptown.

T91 TX won NLF with the help of a 91 NY and a few 91 MD players. With 91 and Crabs, guest players are the norm.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/11/18 01:43 AM

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/11/18 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/11/18 07:06 PM

How many 91 Md helmets at Koopers tryout today?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/12/18 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/12/18 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team


3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/12/18 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team


3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.


Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/12/18 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team


3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.


Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.


Kelly Post is more competitive and a much better option than any B team in Baltimore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/12/18 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team


3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.


Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.


Kelly Post is more competitive and a much better option than any B team in Baltimore.


Nobody cares
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/12/18 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Thanks for your opinion, MM, not that we asked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 03:00 AM

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.


What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.


How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.


What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.


What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together


WOW...three tryouts! Very impressive. We will all take note of your opinion of ranking teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.


What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together


They limit the drama as much as possible and support ALL of the kids on the teams. That's the key to success.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.


How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.


How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?


Breakers and Koopers have beaten the same number of elite teams as 91 - zero.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 02:23 PM

Breakers has first tryout yeaterday. Their top team will play AA. It will be very good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers has first tryout yeaterday. Their top team will play AA. It will be very good.

Have they ever beaten a team at AA? Glad to see they are moving up but they will be likely a .500 team. That is good but very good? Will other AA teams move up to Elite? I guess it is a matter or comparison. Who is this team close with?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/13/18 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.


Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team


3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.

Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.

Kelly Post is more competitive and a much better option than any B team in Baltimore.

Nobody cares


Sorry JJ , didnt mean to hurt your feeling and attack your money flow.

Kelly Post, Cockeysville and others are more competitive at 1/10 the cost. One day sanity might come back to Lacrosse .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 03:09 AM

Breakers is a unethical money grabbing club
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 01:56 PM

How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.[/quote]
This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?[/quote]

Breakers and Koopers have beaten the same number of elite teams as 91 - zero. [/quote]

Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches



Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 02:29 PM

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?[/quote]

Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches



Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?


Not Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches



Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?


So does rec
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 02:49 PM

Except for 2021, Koopers is equal to rec interm of players and coaches but has cool gear
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?



I think the "Daddy Ball" insult is overused and misses the point. It's not that parent coaches are bad, per se. Rather, it's that SOME parent coaches (more often dads, but not always), put their own interests in living through their kid ahead of the team. My son has played for many Dad/Coaches and they have all put the team first. In fact, in many cases their kid ended up getting the short end of the stick - having to play out of position to fill a need, etc.

The obvious downside of "professional" coaches at this level is that they tend to be young kids themselves, right out of college. Teams run the risk that the coach will get a new (real) job and end up missing practice/games.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Except for 2021, Koopers is equal to rec interm of players and coaches but has cool gear



All for just slightly over $2,000. smile

The issue at this age isn't really rec versus club. Rec lacrosse at the Junior level is dead. There are very few teams because the older half of any potential team are ineligible because the kids are likely playing in high school. So even the best/biggest rec programs struggle to field teams.

It's too bad, but it is what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?


Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.[/quote]
Last season AA div had 12 teams. Breakers did not win the A div. If they move up to AA who leaves the AA div? Will they have 13 teams at AA? 91 should clearly move down from Elite will that make 14? If Koopers is AA is that 15? How does a team advertise which HOCO div they will play in prior to tryout? Is there any club that has a solid second team? Answer is NO three teams is a total case of $$ over what is best for the players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?


Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.

Last season AA div had 12 teams. Breakers did not win the A div. If they move up to AA who leaves the AA div? Will they have 13 teams at AA? 91 should clearly move down from Elite will that make 14? If Koopers is AA is that 15? How does a team advertise which HOCO div they will play in prior to tryout? Is there any club that has a solid second team? Answer is NO three teams is a total case of $$ over what is best for the players.[/quote]

Well, with AA, in terms of number of teams and potential movement, consider that (1) 3D Mid-A and Lax Factory merges so that opens one spot, and (2) two teams had 2 wins and (3) three teams had 1 win. So there is room to move. 91 should drop down from elite and those 1 win teams should drop out. Teams in A that have a good argument to live up are Looneys green and Breakers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?



I think the "Daddy Ball" insult is overused and misses the point. It's not that parent coaches are bad, per se. Rather, it's that SOME parent coaches (more often dads, but not always), put their own interests in living through their kid ahead of the team. My son has played for many Dad/Coaches and they have all put the team first. In fact, in many cases their kid ended up getting the short end of the stick - having to play out of position to fill a need, etc.

The obvious downside of "professional" coaches at this level is that they tend to be young kids themselves, right out of college. Teams run the risk that the coach will get a new (real) job and end up missing practice/games.


Dad coaches are a reality and in most cases are not an issue but you have to question the motives of a Dad coach if their kid could not make another team at the level they are playing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?



I think the "Daddy Ball" insult is overused and misses the point. It's not that parent coaches are bad, per se. Rather, it's that SOME parent coaches (more often dads, but not always), put their own interests in living through their kid ahead of the team. My son has played for many Dad/Coaches and they have all put the team first. In fact, in many cases their kid ended up getting the short end of the stick - having to play out of position to fill a need, etc.

The obvious downside of "professional" coaches at this level is that they tend to be young kids themselves, right out of college. Teams run the risk that the coach will get a new (real) job and end up missing practice/games.


Plus those college kids have no idea how to coach and don’t care about the team, it’s just a pay check. If it’s a qualified “dad” I much rather have that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?


Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.

Last season AA div had 12 teams. Breakers did not win the A div. If they move up to AA who leaves the AA div? Will they have 13 teams at AA? 91 should clearly move down from Elite will that make 14? If Koopers is AA is that 15? How does a team advertise which HOCO div they will play in prior to tryout? Is there any club that has a solid second team? Answer is NO three teams is a total case of $$ over what is best for the players.


Well, with AA, in terms of number of teams and potential movement, consider that (1) 3D Mid-A and Lax Factory merges so that opens one spot, and (2) two teams had 2 wins and (3) three teams had 1 win. So there is room to move. 91 should drop down from elite and those 1 win teams should drop out. Teams in A that have a good argument to live up are Looneys green and Breakers. [/quote]
If 91 moves down, who moves up? I thought 3d is now VA and MD (2 teams) If Looneys B moves up then FCA B should move down which is a wash. Breakers could move up but not Koopers unless they gain a lot of talent. Should be a fun spring. Fall will help settle some of this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/14/18 10:06 PM

Lots of movement, lots of 22's reclassing and either moving or dropping down within the same program. Lots of trash talk by the parents. smile

It will be interesting to see what emerges come the Spring HOCO season. Personally, I can't wait to hear the insanity from the parents on the sidelines.

--Parent of kid joining an "elite" team after years of playing at the A/B level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lots of movement, lots of 22's reclassing and either moving or dropping down within the same program. Lots of trash talk by the parents. smile

It will be interesting to see what emerges come the Spring HOCO season. Personally, I can't wait to hear the insanity from the parents on the sidelines.

--Parent of kid joining an "elite" team after years of playing at the A/B level.


It will be insanity from that parent sees limited paying time
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 02:20 AM

It's quite a apparent that parents or kids who trash teams and intimiately know the details of said teams, their kids were either cut or the team did better without them when they left and they regret their decision.
This has been a pretty informative forum along with respectful opinions. I don't understand the annihilations of other teams. The transparentcy is glaring. Be informative not ignorant or offended because you're not realistic about your own kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's quite a apparent that parents or kids who trash teams and intimiately know the details of said teams, their kids were either cut or the team did better without them when they left and they regret their decision.
This has been a pretty informative forum along with respectful opinions. I don't understand the annihilations of other teams. The transparentcy is glaring. Be informative not ignorant or offended because you're not realistic about your own kid.


It’s a small community and most of these kids have played club with and against each other since third grade. The warts on these teams become obvious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 02:59 AM

Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.


Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.


Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching

I would not agree that there is much well wishing and positive feedback but there is good information if you can read through the sillyness. I do not think many kids read or post but do feel that calling out kids even by number or description is sad as most kids do know each other and it could get back to them. Talking about a team or coach is fair game IMO as they are the ones who decided to make this a business. I think many of the posts come from clubs attempting to compete for talent. With that, I am curious which teams are improved/ or not based on tryouts. What will the divisions for the spring look like based on the tryouts and which team will have the hottest moms.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.


Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching

I would not agree that there is much well wishing and positive feedback but there is good information if you can read through the sillyness. I do not think many kids read or post but do feel that calling out kids even by number or description is sad as most kids do know each other and it could get back to them. Talking about a team or coach is fair game IMO as they are the ones who decided to make this a business. I think many of the posts come from clubs attempting to compete for talent. With that, I am curious which teams are improved/ or not based on tryouts. What will the divisions for the spring look like based on the tryouts and which team will have the hottest moms.


I can guarantee you one thing, the Hawks will have the largest Moms. They like 'em big down there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 06:48 PM

So what club teams got batter and which took a step back after this tryout season? Does anyone have insight?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/15/18 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.


Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching

I would not agree that there is much well wishing and positive feedback but there is good information if you can read through the sillyness. I do not think many kids read or post but do feel that calling out kids even by number or description is sad as most kids do know each other and it could get back to them. Talking about a team or coach is fair game IMO as they are the ones who decided to make this a business. I think many of the posts come from clubs attempting to compete for talent. With that, I am curious which teams are improved/ or not based on tryouts. What will the divisions for the spring look like based on the tryouts and which team will have the hottest moms.


I can guarantee you one thing, the Hawks will have the largest Moms. They like 'em big down there.


They must be Holdback Moms.
Posted By: itswhatever

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 12:13 AM

I wish this forum was divided by levels...almost all talk is about elite teams; what about the boys/teams that play on A or AA teams who are quality boys and players for clubs who aren't just money grabbers who encourage holdbacks and guest players in tournaments?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what club teams got batter and which took a step back after this tryout season? Does anyone have insight?


I am not even sure you can answer that . It is almost like what team will be the best in HOCO,,,how many holdbacks, limited guest players and limited out of state guys, Mostly local team with local holdbacks.

....Which team will be better in run of the mill tournaments, who has most holdbacks regionally , who has the best guest players and some out of state players .....

and then who will be best in NLF Championship where anything goes, Fly in in from all corners of country, find some local allstar players , holdbacks galore and from anywhere.

It just isnt easy to answer that question anymore..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by itswhatever
I wish this forum was divided by levels...almost all talk is about elite teams; what about the boys/teams that play on A or AA teams who are quality boys and players for clubs who aren't just money grabbers who encourage holdbacks and guest players in tournaments?

Ok. So who are the best A or AA teams? Most posts so far have been about 91 Breakers and Koopers are they Elite?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by itswhatever
I wish this forum was divided by levels...almost all talk is about elite teams; what about the boys/teams that play on A or AA teams who are quality boys and players for clubs who aren't just money grabbers who encourage holdbacks and guest players in tournaments?

Ok. So who are the best A or AA teams? Most posts so far have been about 91 Breakers and Koopers are they Elite?


Of course not. Koopers is holding a supplemental tryout. It lost the B championship to Top Calibrr.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what club teams got batter and which took a step back after this tryout season? Does anyone have insight?


It will be an interesting year to day the least as this is the year kids are most likely going to reclassify. Hawks will still be the team to beat at the 2023 Level but the merger of club blue and Madlax to form DC Dogs will be interesting; rumor is this team is loaded with talent. Also sounds like crabs reloaded and have no less than 8 kids playing down an age group; this club is really a disgrace. Also heard FCA made a lot of changes as well and gotten better; Looney’s, BLC and 91 may have all taken a step back. Again all based on the “word” that’s going around after tryouts. But as we all now; it’s all BS until the season starts!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 01:00 PM

AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls

Think you forgot VLC who won AA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 02:09 PM

Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls


Enjoy watching from the sideline with your son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls


What does “east side may make some noise” mean?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.


So?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.


So this will be there third consecutive year without a win in HoCo elite —. Same as MD 91
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.


So this will be there third consecutive year without a win in HoCo elite —. Same as MD 91

"there" third consecutive year?? Neither team is or ever was Elite. 91 should play AA or A. However, HOCO league at this age is large so need to re-set the deck. 5 or 7 teams does not work. Maybe just have A, B, C and have 12 at each. There will be a few mismatched games but better overall games for all teams. Better than a two team league with Hawks and DCD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.


So this will be there third consecutive year without a win in HoCo elite —. Same as MD 91

"there" third consecutive year?? Neither team is or ever was Elite. 91 should play AA or A. However, HOCO league at this age is large so need to re-set the deck. 5 or 7 teams does not work. Maybe just have A, B, C and have 12 at each. There will be a few mismatched games but better overall games for all teams. Better than a two team league with Hawks and DCD


Good idea. Have 12 team divisions, with subdivisions in each
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 06:16 PM

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 08:58 PM

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.


Although you have to change "A" to "Elite", "B" to "AA" and "C" to "A". Wouldn't want anyone thinking their team or child was any lower than "A". smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.


Although you have to change "A" to "Elite", "B" to "AA" and "C" to "A". Wouldn't want anyone thinking their team or child was any lower than "A". smile


More accurately - holdback (9th grade age), A, B
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.


Because of the good players are from club blue. If you call it Madlax everyone will assume the team is lousy since of course it has been for years at 2023.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/16/18 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.


Lax World folded. Breakers will have 3 teams. 3D should be in B. Koopers should be in C (no upgrade from last year). USS should be in C (got smoked in AA). PGLC should be in B (major drop off last year). Thunder and Rock should should be in B (4 and 3, 3 and 5 in A last year). Will GT even be able to field a team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 12:36 AM

Koopers went undefeated in HOCO B div. until losing a close championship to Top Caliber. Most of their games were not even close. They should be in B with Top Caliber or A based on the current divisions.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.


How did Madlax (aka DC Dawgs) do against Hawks last year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Interesting theory, this team is good and even made it on ESPN 3 where they were referred to as DC Dogs on the screen and by the announcers. Is it a mass conspiracy by the lacrosse world to call this team DC Dogs just to show hate toward the club owner? HMMM maybe it could be most refer to this team by that name because they call themselves DC Dogs?? They even have a uniform that is unlike any other Madlax team. If they wanted to be referred to as Madlax why the DC dogs with a different uniform and logo? It is a very very good team and I have never met or spoken with Cabell and could care less and do not hate. However, this team is also not a co-#1 until they beat Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 12:53 PM

its dawgs...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.


Because of the good players are from club blue. If you call it Madlax everyone will assume the team is lousy since of course it has been for years at 2023.



Oh those Mate Dei kids that should be in High School? Gotcha....Men against boys..... Things will get real for those holdbacks in High School
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous



Oh those Mate Dei kids that should be in High School? Gotcha....Men against boys..... Things will get real for those holdbacks in High School


touche
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 03:15 PM

why is that? they all will be driving to practice as freshmen, There just cheaters!!!! but most of them are great kids. Go back to birthdays LIKE ALL OTHE SPORTS. problem solved
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 03:27 PM

Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Interesting theory, this team is good and even made it on ESPN 3 where they were referred to as DC Dogs on the screen and by the announcers. Is it a mass conspiracy by the lacrosse world to call this team DC Dogs just to show hate toward the club owner? HMMM maybe it could be most refer to this team by that name because they call themselves DC Dogs?? They even have a uniform that is unlike any other Madlax team. If they wanted to be referred to as Madlax why the DC dogs with a different uniform and logo? It is a very very good team and I have never met or spoken with Cabell and could care less and do not hate. However, this team is also not a co-#1 until they beat Hawks.


My son is a 2022 and played after the 2023 championship game. Am I not remembering correctly or didn't DC Dawgs lose that game to True? How are they co-#1 with Hawks? Has DC Dawgs ever actually won a tournament?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.

Do they even have a 2023 team? This is a random attempt to really smear someone hope your facts or correct. If you are concerned stay away but why the public post?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.



Lets remember as Club blue they lost the last 3 times to hawks and as DC Dogs they lost again in the summer (that's 4 in a row). So how are they #1. I would still give #1 to the Hawks, you have to beat them to be #1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.

Do they even have a 2023 team? This is a random attempt to really smear someone hope your facts or correct. If you are concerned stay away but why the public post?

It is a matter of public record for those who do not want to ignore it. BW parents are either unaware or intentionally and shamefully ignorant.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 05:48 PM

Dc dawgs won the Millon 2023 national championship against true and lost to true in the NLF championship.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/17/18 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.

Do they even have a 2023 team? This is a random attempt to really smear someone hope your facts or correct. If you are concerned stay away but why the public post?

It is a matter of public record for those who do not want to ignore it. BW parents are either unaware or intentionally and shamefully ignorant.

They are not a factor at this age group why post it here?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/18/18 04:16 AM

Wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks don't even make the playoffs this year. Reason: Zero impact 2022 holdbacks have tried out. If rumors are true about Crabs, DC Dogs, FCA, and others getting an impact holdback or getting several, those teams have a chance to be better. Thems the facts
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/18/18 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks don't even make the playoffs this year. Reason: Zero impact 2022 holdbacks have tried out. If rumors are true about Crabs, DC Dogs, FCA, and others getting an impact holdback or getting several, those teams have a chance to be better. Thems the facts


This year there will be more holdbacks than ever. it is an epidemic now and it will not be letting up.

The privates will have their quota of helback Kindergarten kids ( prefirst ) , but now the occasional 8th grade reclass is turning into a flood.

Pretty sad behavior.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/18/18 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.


Because of the good players are from club blue. If you call it Madlax everyone will assume the team is lousy since of course it has been for years at 2023.



Oh those Mate Dei kids that should be in High School? Gotcha....Men against boys..... Things will get real for those holdbacks in High School


Mater Dei School showcases all that is wrong with a system that rewards being older and being judged against younger peers. Complete garbage from people who want their children to have an edge over other children.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/18/18 05:04 PM

Hawks did not have many (2-3) hold-backs tryout because the team is pretty much already set. As long as the Hawks keep their big guns healthy they should once again dominate.
Crabs lost their top offensive player.
Sad to see what has become of Looneys Lacrosse Club. More talent then anyone but cannot put it together on the field.
Hold-backs went to FCA (big time) and Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/18/18 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks did not have many (2-3) hold-backs tryout because the team is pretty much already set. As long as the Hawks keep their big guns healthy they should once again dominate.
Crabs lost their top offensive player.
Sad to see what has become of Looneys Lacrosse Club. More talent then anyone but cannot put it together on the field.
Hold-backs went to FCA (big time) and Crabs.


Hawks have the best goalie, pole, LSM, attackman, and Fogo... they will be fine.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 02:50 AM

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.


Lax World folded. Breakers will have 3 teams. 3D should be in B. Koopers should be in C (no upgrade from last year). USS should be in C (got smoked in AA). PGLC should be in B (major drop off last year). Thunder and Rock should should be in B (4 and 3, 3 and 5 in A last year). Will GT even be able to field a team?


So OBVIOUS this is a Breakers kid or parent (probably one cut from Kooper's) with the passive aggressive comments to undercut. Kooper's also went to 3 tournament championships last year. Let's stay somewhat neutral.....Yeah, right! Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. Was Thunder not that strong last year?? Did Green Turtle not get a team together?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s). They lost a above average player who would definitely not start this year


Your first say the 91 kid is a holdback than say he played up and is not a holdback. So which is it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 03:11 AM

Kooper's is holding a supplemental because they cut average players and are having a small group coming to be evaluated but decided to open it to community. It's either have 3 tryouts and cancel 3rd if team is set or have 2 tryouts and add a 3rd if needed. For sure, they will not be in Elite or AA (maybe by tournament season). Somebody had a great HoCo re-division idea in later post. Read up HoCo!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.


Lax World folded. Breakers will have 3 teams. 3D should be in B. Koopers should be in C (no upgrade from last year). USS should be in C (got smoked in AA). PGLC should be in B (major drop off last year). Thunder and Rock should should be in B (4 and 3, 3 and 5 in A last year). Will GT even be able to field a team?


So OBVIOUS this is a Breakers kid or parent (probably one cut from Kooper's) with the passive aggressive comments to undercut. Kooper's also went to 3 tournament championships last year. Let's stay somewhat neutral.....Yeah, right! Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. Was Thunder not that strong last year?? Did Green Turtle not get a team together?


3 B tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 03:25 AM

I think many of the comments come from parens who are sour grapes about being cut or lack of playing time. They also control what teams their sons play on rather than let the kid deciding. I feel bad for some of these kids. Especially, the club hoppers. We had a kid leave our club who is going to his 4th club team and it's at the hands of his parents decision.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).


Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kooper's is holding a supplemental because they cut average players and are having a small group coming to be evaluated but decided to open it to community. It's either have 3 tryouts and cancel 3rd if team is set or have 2 tryouts and add a 3rd if needed. For sure, they will not be in Elite or AA (maybe by tournament season). Somebody had a great HoCo re-division idea in later post. Read up HoCo!


This team beat Wolfpack, Rockfish, MDX, Fallston, etc in B and did not improve at tryouts. It is an A/B club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).


Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.


Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).


Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.


Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone


My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).


Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.


Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone


My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.


8th grade is all about the Holdbacks ! and that includes prefirst, they are holdbacks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).


Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.


Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone


My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.


Saying that the hawks are all 15 year olds over and over might make you feel better, but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time you posted it.

as far as the 'rec level" zone goes, I guess the all the cracker jack elite teams in hoco last year should have brought in some "rec level" player and coaches to beat it. . . surely, that was the answer.

And last I checked, the hawks defense was not the ones scoring an average of 14 plus goals against their opponents last spring. while playing every kid on the roster. Maybe their offense is running "rec league" plays too? so unfair.

as for tryout season, I can guarantee the Hawks roster will be 95% the same as last year. and the year before that.
BUT, now that crabs, FCA, Looneys, flavor of the month club up there have traded, held back, swapped, bribed, whatever, new rosters, maybe Hoco will be more competitive this spring.

as much as is galls the Baltimore lacrosse elite, AA county kids can play lacrosse too. And, guess what? They do it while remaining loyal to their teammates and coaches. Even if they lose a few games this spring, and this board lights up with glee, I wouldn't trade places with you club jumpers and back stabbers ever. boy, it must be miserable playing lacrosse up there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 05:55 PM

Did any crabs join the hawks roster?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).


Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.


Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone


My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.


Saying that the hawks are all 15 year olds over and over might make you feel better, but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time you posted it.

as far as the 'rec level" zone goes, I guess the all the cracker jack elite teams in hoco last year should have brought in some "rec level" player and coaches to beat it. . . surely, that was the answer.

And last I checked, the hawks defense was not the ones scoring an average of 14 plus goals against their opponents last spring. while playing every kid on the roster. Maybe their offense is running "rec league" plays too? so unfair.

as for tryout season, I can guarantee the Hawks roster will be 95% the same as last year. and the year before that.
BUT, now that crabs, FCA, Looneys, flavor of the month club up there have traded, held back, swapped, bribed, whatever, new rosters, maybe Hoco will be more competitive this spring.

as much as is galls the Baltimore lacrosse elite, AA county kids can play lacrosse too. And, guess what? They do it while remaining loyal to their teammates and coaches. Even if they lose a few games this spring, and this board lights up with glee, I wouldn't trade places with you club jumpers and back stabbers ever. boy, it must be miserable playing lacrosse up there.


I bet this guys kid is going to Spalding. Hahaha.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).


Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.


Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone


My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.


Saying that the hawks are all 15 year olds over and over might make you feel better, but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time you posted it.

as far as the 'rec level" zone goes, I guess the all the cracker jack elite teams in hoco last year should have brought in some "rec level" player and coaches to beat it. . . surely, that was the answer.

And last I checked, the hawks defense was not the ones scoring an average of 14 plus goals against their opponents last spring. while playing every kid on the roster. Maybe their offense is running "rec league" plays too? so unfair.

as for tryout season, I can guarantee the Hawks roster will be 95% the same as last year. and the year before that.
BUT, now that crabs, FCA, Looneys, flavor of the month club up there have traded, held back, swapped, bribed, whatever, new rosters, maybe Hoco will be more competitive this spring.

as much as is galls the Baltimore lacrosse elite, AA county kids can play lacrosse too. And, guess what? They do it while remaining loyal to their teammates and coaches. Even if they lose a few games this spring, and this board lights up with glee, I wouldn't trade places with you club jumpers and back stabbers ever. boy, it must be miserable playing lacrosse up there.



The Hawks have had a great team the last few years. Kudos to the kids, coaches and parents.

I just don't think it's reasonable to conclude that their roster stability is the result of some innate loyalty of AA residents. The fact is that AA has one elite level team. The Towson/Northern Baltimore County area (with probably fewer kids to recruit from) has four or so (we can all argue over which teams count, are overrated, etc.). The kids in the Towson area simply have more choices (especially when you include all the next tier teams). That is naturally going to lead to a lot of movement as kids (parents) seek what they think of as the best fit.

That doesn't take away from the Hawks success - they are one of the best club teams (ie, not all star, one-off creations) in the country. But having their parents come on here and snipe about how miserable Baltimore folks must be....well it seems like you're demonstrating the opposite of the attitude you claim to support. smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 08:17 PM

Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.


Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane. wink
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/19/18 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.


Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane. wink


I might agree with you if those "not insane parents" weren't on the sideline calling kids out by number and making the same old tired comments about driving the team bus, shaving, old enough to drink/vote, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 02:27 AM

Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 11:52 AM

Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?


He asked kids that have been there to be "program" players and be cut to a B team but still pay him $2k? If there is a B team, I doubt many of the better kids stay. They tried a B team 2 years ago at that age level and they got killed and even the coaches quit. AYLA will take over as Hawks B in my opinion. Lots of clubs in that area.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by RN Parents
Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?


He asked kids that have been there to be "program" players and be cut to a B team but still pay him $2k? If there is a B team, I doubt many of the better kids stay. They tried a B team 2 years ago at that age level and they got killed and even the coaches quit. AYLA will take over as Hawks B in my opinion. Lots of clubs in that area.


Uh oh... trouble in AA County - I thought this was a tight knit team that everyone was loyal to and hardly ever changed their roster? Isn't that what the hawks parents keep saying?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by RN Parents
Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?


He asked kids that have been there to be "program" players and be cut to a B team but still pay him $2k? If there is a B team, I doubt many of the better kids stay. They tried a B team 2 years ago at that age level and they got killed and even the coaches quit. AYLA will take over as Hawks B in my opinion. Lots of clubs in that area.


Uh oh... trouble in AA County - I thought this was a tight knit team that everyone was loyal to and hardly ever changed their roster? Isn't that what the hawks parents keep saying?

Truth is very little change at the top this year. Hawks and DC Dogs AKA Madlax DC Dogs are still the top with no much changing in the rosters. How are the other Montgomery Co. teams? Did DCE get much at tryouts? Did NL loose much, both are solid teams. Will N.VA be able to put together a decent team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 02:44 PM

Uh oh... trouble in AA County - I thought this was a tight knit team that everyone was loyal to and hardly ever changed their roster? Isn't that what the hawks parents keep saying?

Bay Raiders will shock people in the 1st year.

Hawks cuts flocking to a new nest. No B team cash grab for Hogan at this level. Cut kids that have been on the team for several years.

Sounds like lots of 2023 kids looking. Rec team South River cut a dozen ? AYLC packed at tryouts, API pickling up kids. Why play B and be neglected.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 02:56 PM

Hawks is just fine. You jealous babies need to find something else to whine about. For real, it’s getting old.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.


Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane. wink


I might agree with you if those "not insane parents" weren't on the sideline calling kids out by number and making the same old tired comments about driving the team bus, shaving, old enough to drink/vote, etc.


Well, if the car keys fit the car and they drive away with a full beard and a six pack next to them, whats the issue?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.


Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane. wink


I might agree with you if those "not insane parents" weren't on the sideline calling kids out by number and making the same old tired comments about driving the team bus, shaving, old enough to drink/vote, etc.


Well, if the car keys fit the car and they drive away with a full beard and a six pack next to them, whats the issue?


Are we talking about Crabs, Hawks, Looneys or FCA? I’m confused because there are holdbacks, rednecks and daddy coaches on all of those teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 04:07 PM

Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 04:32 PM

So who picked up the 2022 hawks goalie ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.


I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.


I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.

Hawks and MLDCD are the best teams at this age but who are the best teams that are truly on age. Only one local team in HOCO that played at the WSYL and that was NL. There are teams that have rosters of kids with birthday's after 9/30/2004 that play in HOCO. Who is the best of those teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.


I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.

Hawks and MLDCD are the best teams at this age but who are the best teams that are truly on age. Only one local team in HOCO that played at the WSYL and that was NL. There are teams that have rosters of kids with birthday's after 9/30/2004 that play in HOCO. Who is the best of those teams?


Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)


SR or Team 91 over VLC? VLC won the AA league and beat 91 by 8 goals or something. Unless Millon hoodwinks HoCo again, Team 91 belongs in AA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.


I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.

Hawks and MLDCD are the best teams at this age but who are the best teams that are truly on age. Only one local team in HOCO that played at the WSYL and that was NL. There are teams that have rosters of kids with birthday's after 9/30/2004 that play in HOCO. Who is the best of those teams?


Who cares
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)


SR or Team 91 over VLC? VLC won the AA league and beat 91 by 8 goals or something. Unless Millon hoodwinks HoCo again, Team 91 belongs in AA.

I posted the original idea of the re-set of HOCO league. My son plays on an Elite team and I like the idea of playing a greater variety of teams. I think the league could support 3 -12 team division with groups that would still ensure the top teams make the playoffs. Also 91 does not want to loose all the games again. I agree that VLC should be the first team added in the "A" div under what I posted based on winning AA maybe USS moves to middle or lower and Zingo's can be whatever. The point is that three divisions is better for all teams. Some teams seem to always play each other. sometimes twice in the same tournament. A 12 team division makes more sense. In the end the same two teams would play for the trophy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.



You might want to go back and look at your goals against coach. And then settle down
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/20/18 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title


Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title


Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.


Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)


SR or Team 91 over VLC? VLC won the AA league and beat 91 by 8 goals or something. Unless Millon hoodwinks HoCo again, Team 91 belongs in AA.

How did VLC do in its summer tournaments against AA Elite type talent? Oh yeah, that's right. Might want to stay in AA. None of SR, Cannons, VLC, Cav or 3d belong in AA Elite, but if any of you want to get your heads beat in, go ahead and petition for AA Elite for the spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 04:28 AM

New goalie for 2023 Hawks...just as good as stud goalie some say better. The rich get richer!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title


Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.


Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature


You are delusional and your B/C team is irrelevant. It’s nice to dream big though.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title


Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.


Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title


Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.


Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.


That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.


That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.


Somebodies eyes are GREEN with ENVY !!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 12:46 PM

How many of these posts are from opposing coaches trying to boost their clubs?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.


That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.


Somebodies eyes are GREEN with ENVY !!


You’re funny, I will give you that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 01:08 PM

if hawks and DC dogs want to recruit add hold backs cheaters let them play each other every week. why should HOCO carter to them. Add more division so every team plays each other in there division. Six teams play everyone once then playoffs. double elimination tournament
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.


How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.


That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.


Somebodies eyes are GREEN with ENVY !!

Zingos - the Evergreen of Maryland.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Probably a holdback himself
if hawks and DC dogs want to recruit add hold backs cheaters let them play each other every week. why should HOCO carter to them. Add more division so every team plays each other in there division. Six teams play everyone once then playoffs. double elimination tournament


Please do us all a favor and go back to school...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 05:58 PM

This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.


I bet his first order of business will firing the best defense coach on the planet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.


Funny stuff. But I thought he had already committed to coaching Koopers 2023 ? Club lacrosse is finally getting the coaches needed
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
if hawks and DC dogs want to recruit add hold backs cheaters let them play each other every week. why should HOCO carter to them. Add more division so every team plays each other in there division. Six teams play everyone once then playoffs. double elimination tournament


?????
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team.

Funny stuff. But I thought he had already committed to coaching Koopers 2023 ? Club lacrosse is finally getting the coaches needed


Nope. All dad coaches on that team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 10:43 PM

No way!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/21/18 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team.

Funny stuff. But I thought he had already committed to coaching Koopers 2023 ? Club lacrosse is finally getting the coaches needed


Nope. All dad coaches on that team.


Doesn't his son play for Koopers? smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 03:20 AM

From where?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 03:36 AM

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie [/quote]


we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie



we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie



we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie



we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]

There was actually 4 goalies at tryouts. Their regular starter was by far the best followef by the second string goalie. The DC united holdback I believe made the team also. Not the goalie dad or a Hawks parent as my son didnt make the team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie



we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]


Any DCE helmet at a 2023 tryout is reclassing. DCE teams begin at 8th grade. Clearly any DCE helmet wasn't good enough to stay on age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 11:54 AM

What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.


Read the comments prior to yours. There are NONE. Pick any of supposed Top teams and ALL are messed up in one way or another. If your son is a starter..It doesnt really matter. Crabs, FCA, seem to be near top with tons of holdbacks going into MIAA schools, If you are a public school boy then any of rest will do, You have Looneys, Team 91 New and improved with MM watching over LOL, Breakers.
All practice near Towson.

Good luck in your quest to find a stable developmental team. No one has found one yet!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.


The "elite" teams have all concluded tryouts and their rosters are set. Unless you (1) know someone or (2) your son is the second coming (and you also know someone), those clubs aren't an option.

Even most of the A/B teams in the area have also finished tryouts, but I would guess that they are more likely to let your son come out over the Fall and guest for a tournament and evaluate him then for next Spring. The two I'm most familiar with (although my son plays for neither):

(1) Rock -- The 2023 team has had a lot of turnover the last few years. There is a new young coach, Mike Marshner who will be taking over as the head coach (he was an assistant the last two years). The prior coach, Ricky Matthews, will still be around, but is coaching the 2024 team. Likely the 2023s will play some games/tournaments with 2024s. The program itself is focused on player development, but don't expect to win a lot of games. Rock continues (at least for now) to have a pretty solid high school recruiting program. They will often combine their Baltimore and PA teams for recruiting events. Contact: Kevin Mayer coachmayer@rocklacrosse.net

(2) Koopers -- The 2023 team played B last year and was pretty successful. I believe they lost a few of their players (FO kid?) but, at least prior to tryouts, were planning on moving up to play A level. The program is well run and stable. I don't know much about the 2023 coaches, but the program is pretty excited about bringing in Hopkins coach, Dave Pietramala, as their Coaches Coach. The program director, Ron Klausner, is very connected and is a great resource. I can almost guarantee he'd be happy to speak with you. The email I have is: ronklausner@kooperslacrosse.com If that doesn't work, there is a contact link on their website: https://www.kooperslacrosse.com/home

Good luck to your son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.


The "elite" teams have all concluded tryouts and their rosters are set. Unless you (1) know someone or (2) your son is the second coming (and you also know someone), those clubs aren't an option.

Even most of the A/B teams in the area have also finished tryouts, but I would guess that they are more likely to let your son come out over the Fall and guest for a tournament and evaluate him then for next Spring. The two I'm most familiar with (although my son plays for neither):

(1) Rock -- The 2023 team has had a lot of turnover the last few years. There is a new young coach, Mike Marshner who will be taking over as the head coach (he was an assistant the last two years). The prior coach, Ricky Matthews, will still be around, but is coaching the 2024 team. Likely the 2023s will play some games/tournaments with 2024s. The program itself is focused on player development, but don't expect to win a lot of games. Rock continues (at least for now) to have a pretty solid high school recruiting program. They will often combine their Baltimore and PA teams for recruiting events. Contact: Kevin Mayer coachmayer@rocklacrosse.net

(2) Koopers -- The 2023 team played B last year and was pretty successful. I believe they lost a few of their players (FO kid?) but, at least prior to tryouts, were planning on moving up to play A level. The program is well run and stable. I don't know much about the 2023 coaches, but the program is pretty excited about bringing in Hopkins coach, Dave Pietramala, as their Coaches Coach. The program director, Ron Klausner, is very connected and is a great resource. I can almost guarantee he'd be happy to speak with you. The email I have is: ronklausner@kooperslacrosse.com If that doesn't work, there is a contact link on their website: https://www.kooperslacrosse.com/home

Good luck to your son.


Thanks. This is helpful. How do Breakers, Green Turtle and True Wolfpack compare with the two you mention?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.


The "elite" teams have all concluded tryouts and their rosters are set. Unless you (1) know someone or (2) your son is the second coming (and you also know someone), those clubs aren't an option.

Even most of the A/B teams in the area have also finished tryouts, but I would guess that they are more likely to let your son come out over the Fall and guest for a tournament and evaluate him then for next Spring. The two I'm most familiar with (although my son plays for neither):

(1) Rock -- The 2023 team has had a lot of turnover the last few years. There is a new young coach, Mike Marshner who will be taking over as the head coach (he was an assistant the last two years). The prior coach, Ricky Matthews, will still be around, but is coaching the 2024 team. Likely the 2023s will play some games/tournaments with 2024s. The program itself is focused on player development, but don't expect to win a lot of games. Rock continues (at least for now) to have a pretty solid high school recruiting program. They will often combine their Baltimore and PA teams for recruiting events. Contact: Kevin Mayer coachmayer@rocklacrosse.net

(2) Koopers -- The 2023 team played B last year and was pretty successful. I believe they lost a few of their players (FO kid?) but, at least prior to tryouts, were planning on moving up to play A level. The program is well run and stable. I don't know much about the 2023 coaches, but the program is pretty excited about bringing in Hopkins coach, Dave Pietramala, as their Coaches Coach. The program director, Ron Klausner, is very connected and is a great resource. I can almost guarantee he'd be happy to speak with you. The email I have is: ronklausner@kooperslacrosse.com If that doesn't work, there is a contact link on their website: https://www.kooperslacrosse.com/home

Good luck to your son.


Thanks. This is helpful. How do Breakers, Green Turtle and True Wolfpack compare with the two you mention?



First, you can cross Rock off the list. I just heard that Rock has folded its 2023 team. :0

I'm not that familiar with Breakers, Greene Turtle and Wolfpack. I do know that Breakers sends me emails constantly. smile And Greene Turtle 2023 is what used to be Lax World. That Lax World team had some good players, but I was never impressed with their player development - the team often seemed to run on just letting a few athletic/talented players freelance. But that's an outsiders view, and with them coming under Greene Turtle, things might be different.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 03:40 PM

Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?


Best defender
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 04:29 PM

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

Don't fight the system. Have your kid show up at the 2024 tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?


I heard he tried out for FCA and Crabs and didn’t make it so ended up at Looney’s. Should help out that team win more FOs then they did last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?


I heard he tried out for FCA and Crabs and didn’t make it so ended up at Looney’s. Should help out that team win more FOs then they did last year.


Looneys Orange? What about the 2 they had?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....


That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....


That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.



That would be a mistake - assuming he still loves playing the game. Make it clear to him that being on "x" team when he's 13 years old isn't the deciding factor in his [lacrosse] life.

If it helps, remind him that Paul Rabil didn't even START playing lacrosse until he was 12.

There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have a talented kid. If he loves the game and keeps working, in a few years all the holdback kids will no longer have the age/size advantage and your son will be able to play on an even field.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 06:22 PM

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


So, it's only a 1/4 of the team? That's A LOT.

- Someone not crying. Parent who is happy son is on his first choice team with several of his good friends.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 07:09 PM

No more early recruiting has neutered the advantage that holdback kids used to have on the on age kids. All of these kids will be on an even playing field in 12-15 months, and will have plenty of time to showcase their skills to college coaches. This is also the time that a lot of these kids will crush Dad’s lacrosse dreams for their son when they decide they want to concentrate on football, soccer, wrestling or whatever sport they find more joy in playing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....


That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.



That would be a mistake - assuming he still loves playing the game. Make it clear to him that being on "x" team when he's 13 years old isn't the deciding factor in his [lacrosse] life.

If it helps, remind him that Paul Rabil didn't even START playing lacrosse until he was 12.

There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have a talented kid. If he loves the game and keeps working, in a few years all the holdback kids will no longer have the age/size advantage and your son will be able to play on an even field.


Considering not playing at all this year so he can train and work with coaches away from the madness and stupidity of club lacrosse.... High School lacrosse and another year of growth will help him to bypass these holdback kids that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger... Not necessarily better lacrosse players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 09:20 PM

Quote: "Considering not playing at all this year so he can train and work with coaches away from the madness and stupidity of club lacrosse.... High School lacrosse and another year of growth will help him to bypass these holdback kids that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger... Not necessarily better lacrosse players"

Keeping him out of club and just training may not necessarily resolve the issue favorably. My son is small so we're dealing with it too. And I am no fan of the holdbacks at either delayed kindergarten entry, prefirst or 8th. But some of the kids "that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger" are not holdbacks. Just bigger kids who hit puberty earlier than your son or mine. It's the genetic lottery & some kids grow earlier than others and are on age. That isn't going to necessarily change in 9th grade. You just have to keep him playing - at any level - and training until that growth spurt happens.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....


That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.



That would be a mistake - assuming he still loves playing the game. Make it clear to him that being on "x" team when he's 13 years old isn't the deciding factor in his [lacrosse] life.

If it helps, remind him that Paul Rabil didn't even START playing lacrosse until he was 12.

There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have a talented kid. If he loves the game and keeps working, in a few years all the holdback kids will no longer have the age/size advantage and your son will be able to play on an even field.


Considering not playing at all this year so he can train and work with coaches away from the madness and stupidity of club lacrosse.... High School lacrosse and another year of growth will help him to bypass these holdback kids that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger... Not necessarily better lacrosse players

It sounds like your post in sincere. There is a ton of trash talk in these posts and if you are looking for honest advice from anonymous people I will try my best. You can take or leave this advice. I would really speak with my son about playing on a TEAM this year. I started in 8th grade and played on a D1 program. It was a different era and that my not be relevant to today. However the point I want to make it this: Lacrosse is a fun team sport. There is a team for every kid. I have watched different levels and this is true. If you are considering personal training with coaches for your son, ask yourself this: is that fun? is it more fun that games? What kid wants to train and work hard for the season after next? In my opinion kids brains do not see that far into the future. Why prepare for HS before you start 8th grade? Private coaching can be good but you can only get better playing lacrosse and games are fun. I would work to find a team that he fits in and remember that the team is what it is all about or at least was for me and is for my son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It sounds like your post in sincere. There is a ton of trash talk in these posts and if you are looking for honest advice from anonymous people I will try my best. You can take or leave this advice. I would really speak with my son about playing on a TEAM this year. I started in 8th grade and played on a D1 program. It was a different era and that my not be relevant to today. However the point I want to make it this: Lacrosse is a fun team sport. There is a team for every kid. I have watched different levels and this is true. If you are considering personal training with coaches for your son, ask yourself this: is that fun? is it more fun that games? What kid wants to train and work hard for the season after next? In my opinion kids brains do not see that far into the future. Why prepare for HS before you start 8th grade? Private coaching can be good but you can only get better playing lacrosse and games are fun. I would work to find a team that he fits in and remember that the team is what it is all about or at least was for me and is for my son.


Great post.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....


That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.


That’s all excuses. Maybe you kids are not that good. Every heard of Joey Sankey ? What is he 5’5” maybe? Elite lacrosse is for not everyone. My son plays on a elite 2022 team. Always one of the smallest kids on the team but plays like he is one of the biggest on the field. He loves playing against older bigger kids. They cannot cover him. His older brother is 2020 player twice as big but half the player.. Lax IQ speed quickness stick skills and heart. You have that you can play at any level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/22/18 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


Just hold your dwarf's back already or send them to the cathedral all boys choir, but PLEASE stop posting the same old tear in my beer, any excuse to give up and blame someone else for my troubles crap here day after day.

You live in a hot bed for Lacrosse and your kid got launched because they wanted someone else. It's happened to the best so who are you??

Go somewhere else to play or if your kid is as great as you say....put him on a level playing ground physically and mentally with all these Jolly Giant's and have him repeat.

More than likely...YOU know that repeating wouldn't change your situation one bit and THAT is what really burns your arses.

Again, whatever you do...STOP talking and actually DO something...for your kid's sake.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 01:38 AM

100% agree. They will all catch up in HS. Some of our team's smaller players are the mightiest and most aggressive. Our biggest player was let go was slow and timid. A kid who was small and a defender came to our team before tournament season and oh my, he was RELENTLESS! Our big soft guy was intimidating at first glance on field but when game started, it was our mighty mouse who made players go horizontal and frustrated. Please contact coaches or directors of teams you have interest in. Good organizations will walk you through this thought process and talk to you about their team's needs.
Tell your son to keep practicing and strength train. He will be good!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


Just hold your dwarf's back already or send them to the cathedral all boys choir, but PLEASE stop posting the same old tear in my beer, any excuse to give up and blame someone else for my troubles crap here day after day.

You live in a hot bed for Lacrosse and your kid got launched because they wanted someone else. It's happened to the best so who are you??

Go somewhere else to play or if your kid is as great as you say....put him on a level playing ground physically and mentally with all these Jolly Giant's and have him repeat.

More than likely...YOU know that repeating wouldn't change your situation one bit and THAT is what really burns your arses.

Again, whatever you do...STOP talking and actually DO something...for your kid's sake.



Hilarious,,spoken like a parent that knew his son couldnt compete against children the same age. What to do..Give his child an advantage others same exact age dont get. According to your church choir, thats in the spirit of YOUTH sports, LOL ...maybe , just maybe, youth sports played by children wasnt meant to give select players like you son an advantage others dont get.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


Just hold your dwarf's back already or send them to the cathedral all boys choir, but PLEASE stop posting the same old tear in my beer, any excuse to give up and blame someone else for my troubles crap here day after day.

You live in a hot bed for Lacrosse and your kid got launched because they wanted someone else. It's happened to the best so who are you??

Go somewhere else to play or if your kid is as great as you say....put him on a level playing ground physically and mentally with all these Jolly Giant's and have him repeat.

More than likely...YOU know that repeating wouldn't change your situation one bit and THAT is what really burns your arses.

Again, whatever you do...STOP talking and actually DO something...for your kid's sake.



Hilarious,,spoken like a parent that knew his son couldnt compete against children the same age. What to do..Give his child an advantage others same exact age dont get. According to your church choir, thats in the spirit of YOUTH sports, LOL ...maybe , just maybe, youth sports played by children wasnt meant to give select players like you son an advantage others dont get.



Yawn. Move on. The horse is dead.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.


You don't have to believe me. The rosters will be posted shortly and you can believe it then. Crabs cut several kids that went to prefirst. Crabs didn't have anyone that was repeating 8th grade last year. Neither did FCA. That seems to be a Hawks thing these days.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 02:11 PM

Fca added a player from 91 who is repeating 8th grade and one from Crabs who repeated 6th grade (played 2022 and 2023 for Crabs). Those two are obvious. Sure there are others. And Crabs has at least three others, all at McD, who did prefirst.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/23/18 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.


Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.


You don't have to believe me. The rosters will be posted shortly and you can believe it then. Crabs cut several kids that went to prefirst. Crabs didn't have anyone that was repeating 8th grade last year. Neither did FCA. That seems to be a Hawks thing these days.


Not a single 8th grade repeat on the Hawks team... unless the non-impact new goalie is. dummy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.


I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.


You don't have to believe me. The rosters will be posted shortly and you can believe it then. Crabs cut several kids that went to prefirst. Crabs didn't have anyone that was repeating 8th grade last year. Neither did FCA. That seems to be a Hawks thing these days.


Not a single 8th grade repeat on the Hawks team... unless the non-impact new goalie is. dummy.


The Hawks picked up a holdback goalie at 2023? Why? The goalies they had were amazing. Why would they pick up a holdback that wasn’t even all that great to begin with. They did that at the 2022 level last year as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 03:08 PM



Not a single 8th grade repeat on the Hawks team... unless the non-impact new goalie is. dummy.[/quote]

The Hawks picked up a holdback goalie at 2023? Why? The goalies they had were amazing. Why would they pick up a holdback that wasn’t even all that great to begin with. They did that at the 2022 level last year as well.[/quote][/quote]

Sorry your son didn't make it this year former backup goalie dad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.


The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.


The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.


What is the answer? Not obvious to me ... maybe i want to 18 yo who had to beat the odds over the 19 yo snowflake that needed a silver spoon. Those who earn things do better in life than those merely given them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.


The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.

Now we know you are lying. I am 46 years old and found I am much better at gaining bulk and weight now than I was when I was 19-21
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 06:25 PM

One thing about this age group and area is that there are no Virginia teams with the "holdback/re-class" issue. The best are a notch below the elite teams but in Virginia it is just not a "thing" players do. Will this level the playing field in the years to come?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 07:17 PM

OMG this holdback discussion was a dead horse a long time ago. Same guy whining about it over and over. Get a life. In a year, in 9th grade, no one will give a crap about this. My son is average sized and on age and I have no idea if his teammates or opposing players are holdbacks or not. Nor do I care.

I thought the Moderators created a special Holdbacks thread for this guy to mindlessly vent. Please take that discussion there. Moderators, please don't allow more of the Holdback crap on this thread.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
One thing about this age group and area is that there are no Virginia teams with the "holdback/re-class" issue. The best are a notch below the elite teams but in Virginia it is just not a "thing" players do. Will this level the playing field in the years to come?


There are private schools and wealthy parents in VA. Wealthy parents sometimes hold back their kids at private schools because they can. Sometimes those kids play lacrosse. It is a thing everywhere. Some of the more talented ones play in MD. Other hold backs are less talented so nobody cares and you don't even know
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/24/18 07:49 PM

I’m beginning to miss the Zingos coach talking out his a**. I can only handle so much holdback crying.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/25/18 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.


FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.


The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.

Now we know you are lying. I am 46 years old and found I am much better at gaining bulk and weight now than I was when I was 19-21


Can you at least try to be little truthful. Yea a 46 year old can train and be in better shape for sports than a 21. You need to read up on male physical development. Bulk weight and lifting doesnt mean that eating 10 twinkies and gaining five lbs while lifting is better than some 21 year who needs tons of carbs and meat while lifting to gain 5 lbs. LOL.. You should try out for the Ravens, sounds like you are in better shape than those pesky college boys that are drafted
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 03:22 PM

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?


Well, what is your insight?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?


Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?


Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

How many "out of state" (Virginia does not count) players on the roster for Hawks and MLDCD?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?


Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

How many "out of state" (Virginia does not count) players on the roster for Hawks and MLDCD?


Zero for the Hawks - Virginia and the District included. All MD boys... mostly from within a 25 mile radius.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?


Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

How many "out of state" (Virginia does not count) players on the roster for Hawks and MLDCD?


Zero for the Hawks - Virginia and the District included. All MD boys... mostly from within a 25 mile radius.


with 1/2 of them driving themselves to practice
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.


Quint's physique > Nutjob Zingos d coach physique
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/27/18 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.


Quint's physique > Nutjob Zingos d coach physique


Shut up! You know nothing. Zingo Defense guru once coached a game with a severed arm and a pitbull clamped down on his leg. #toughness #ripped #genius
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 12:24 AM

Brian King Sr and his son are coaching this year. I heard that the Lax World coach's son is moving to an elite team. It's Towson because the "Greene Turtle Towson" bar sponsors them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 12:42 AM

This is the age that some boys will hit puberty separate from the later bloomers. My kid is on age 2023 (Turns 14 this December) and he's 5'11" 145lbs and had to start shaving last year. I'm sure most who see him on the field think he is a "holdback" or "pre-first" and neither are the case. Looks can be deceiving so stop judging and look for the best experience for your son. The "best" team is where a player enjoys playing and is driven to improve, not necessarily the one with the best record.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brian King Sr and his son are coaching this year. I heard that the Lax World coach's son is moving to an elite team. It's Towson because the "Greene Turtle Towson" bar sponsors them.


Is this in response to another post? Are you referring to GT 2023? Is King the JC Coach?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?


Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.


In a lot of ways that is the way Youth lacrosse is going. It is anything goes. From the unlimited holdbacks and out of state players.. The final result will be youth all star teams with players from everywhere competing any whatever they want..leagues, tournaments, etc. Another sad way of youth lacrosse direction
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the age that some boys will hit puberty separate from the later bloomers. My kid is on age 2023 (Turns 14 this December) and he's 5'11" 145lbs and had to start shaving last year. I'm sure most who see him on the field think he is a "holdback" or "pre-first" and neither are the case. Looks can be deceiving so stop judging and look for the best experience for your son. The "best" team is where a player enjoys playing and is driven to improve, not necessarily the one with the best record.


Years ago, no one would have said anything except ..boy that kid is big for his age. Not now. With the epidemic of holdbacks/prefirsts/reclass expect to hear it. Too many are big and heldback. You are the exception.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is the age that some boys will hit puberty separate from the later bloomers. My kid is on age 2023 (Turns 14 this December) and he's 5'11" 145lbs and had to start shaving last year. I'm sure most who see him on the field think he is a "holdback" or "pre-first" and neither are the case. Looks can be deceiving so stop judging and look for the best experience for your son. The "best" team is where a player enjoys playing and is driven to improve, not necessarily the one with the best record.


Is your son a middie for Looneys?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 04:42 PM

Brian King is GT 2023 coach. His son Brian is assistant.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brian King is GT 2023 coach. His son Brian is assistant.


Good recruiting move. Thought he would be involved in UC. Do they have enough to field a team? The good Lax World players went elsewhere.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?


Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.


In a lot of ways that is the way Youth lacrosse is going. It is anything goes. From the unlimited holdbacks and out of state players.. The final result will be youth all star teams with players from everywhere competing any whatever they want..leagues, tournaments, etc. Another sad way of youth lacrosse direction

From what I understand, the top two teams in 2023 have a few older birthday's (PRE K) but did not add to what were already top teams with 2022 players re-classing. They are basically the same teams as last year. Crabs who took a step back last year and may have added one or two 2022 players. Going into this season:
Who is bringing in out of state players? Team 91? why would any parent book a flight for a team with no HOCO wins in two seasons?
There are national tournaments. Teams like True and Duke's advertise this so I do not see this as an issue. True could not win without a few locals. Madlax had a National team that would loose by 10 goals or more if they played the local Madlax team. The Virginia teams have little impact as they are spread among three or four teams. Other than the MM championship and the Naptown event, not much impact from "national" teams. Most teams get players from within a 25 mile radius. Is Freedom a National team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...
Is Freedom a National team?

Freedom is not a national team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 06:55 PM

2023 AA update. Info provided mainly by my 13 year old and a know it all neighbor:

Hawks: No info other than they were really good last year, well coached and other than a couple kids, weren’t very big. Chances are they added some good players and others will hit puberty
Club Blue: Now part of Madlax and my sons says best players from Next Level are jumping ship to DC Dogs. Maybe caught up to Hawks on paper.
Crabs: Righty attackman back down from 2022. Lefty rom 22 Roughriders and lefty from Looneys make up all star attack. Only 1 ball… A few departures including top midfielder and middle of roster guys.
FCA: Maybe biggest jump in talent as they picked up the aforementioned Crabs players plus 22 reclasser from 91
Looneys: Lost their best offensive player to Crabs. Rumor has the former Crabs lefty returning to Looneys.
Next Level: Could be tough going if they lost top players to DC Dogs
BLC: Turn into DC Express. Got no info
91: Maybe marginally better but will be tough sledding in elite division
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 07:06 PM


From what I understand, the top two teams in 2023 have a few older birthday's (PRE K) but did not add to what were already top teams with 2022 players re-classing. They are basically the same teams as last year. Crabs who took a step back last year and may have added one or two 2022 players. Going into this season:
Who is bringing in out of state players? Team 91? why would any parent book a flight for a team with no HOCO wins in two seasons?
There are national tournaments. Teams like True and Duke's advertise this so I do not see this as an issue. True could not win without a few locals. Madlax had a National team that would loose by 10 goals or more if they played the local Madlax team. The Virginia teams have little impact as they are spread among three or four teams. Other than the MM championship and the Naptown event, not much impact from "national" teams. Most teams get players from within a 25 mile radius. Is Freedom a National team?
[/quote]

Which are the top 2 teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2023 AA update. Info provided mainly by my 13 year old and a know it all neighbor:

Hawks: No info other than they were really good last year, well coached and other than a couple kids, weren’t very big. Chances are they added some good players and others will hit puberty
Club Blue: Now part of Madlax and my sons says best players from Next Level are jumping ship to DC Dogs. Maybe caught up to Hawks on paper.
Crabs: Righty attackman back down from 2022. Lefty rom 22 Roughriders and lefty from Looneys make up all star attack. Only 1 ball… A few departures including top midfielder and middle of roster guys.
FCA: Maybe biggest jump in talent as they picked up the aforementioned Crabs players plus 22 reclasser from 91
Looneys: Lost their best offensive player to Crabs. Rumor has the former Crabs lefty returning to Looneys.
Next Level: Could be tough going if they lost top players to DC Dogs
BLC: Turn into DC Express. Got no info
91: Maybe marginally better but will be tough sledding in elite division

After two seasons 91 should give another team a shot at a win in the Elite division
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2023 AA update. Info provided mainly by my 13 year old and a know it all neighbor:

Hawks: No info other than they were really good last year, well coached and other than a couple kids, weren’t very big. Chances are they added some good players and others will hit puberty
Club Blue: Now part of Madlax and my sons says best players from Next Level are jumping ship to DC Dogs. Maybe caught up to Hawks on paper.
Crabs: Righty attackman back down from 2022. Lefty rom 22 Roughriders and lefty from Looneys make up all star attack. Only 1 ball… A few departures including top midfielder and middle of roster guys.
FCA: Maybe biggest jump in talent as they picked up the aforementioned Crabs players plus 22 reclasser from 91
Looneys: Lost their best offensive player to Crabs. Rumor has the former Crabs lefty returning to Looneys.
Next Level: Could be tough going if they lost top players to DC Dogs
BLC: Turn into DC Express. Got no info
91: Maybe marginally better but will be tough sledding in elite division


Your 13 year old and nosy neighbor did a pretty good job. Only thing I would change is that you're giving a little too much credit to the Crabs middie that left. Was marginal at best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

...
Is Freedom a National team?

Freedom is not a national team.


Isn't the big stud lefty from Syracuse?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 08:43 PM

Freedom is definitely a national team now. They have several good local kids from Philly but the rest are Dukes Nationals kids from all over the country. Not to mention their guest players that show up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I understand, the top two teams in 2023 have a few older birthday's (PRE K) but did not add to what were already top teams with 2022 players re-classing. They are basically the same teams as last year. Crabs who took a step back last year and may have added one or two 2022 players. Going into this season:
Who is bringing in out of state players? Team 91? why would any parent book a flight for a team with no HOCO wins in two seasons?
There are national tournaments. Teams like True and Duke's advertise this so I do not see this as an issue. True could not win without a few locals. Madlax had a National team that would loose by 10 goals or more if they played the local Madlax team. The Virginia teams have little impact as they are spread among three or four teams. Other than the MM championship and the Naptown event, not much impact from "national" teams. Most teams get players from within a 25 mile radius. Is Freedom a National team?


Which are the top 2 teams?[/quote]
Are you really asking? If you watched any 2023 games in the past year it is Hawks and DC Dogs (ML) in a tier above the rest.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/28/18 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom is definitely a national team now. They have several good local kids from Philly but the rest are Dukes Nationals kids from all over the country. Not to mention their guest players that show up.


Incorrect. A number of Freedom players also play (or played) on Duke's Nationals, however the players are most certainly local to the Philly area.
Posted By: anonymousturd

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/30/18 02:00 PM

Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.
Posted By: reclassof1994

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 08/31/18 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by anonymousturd
Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.

And Zone defenses win HOCO championships
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/11/18 12:17 AM

Sweet - we're allowed to post again!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/11/18 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sweet - we're allowed to post again!


Do long as there is not TMI posted! What are the best tournaments this fall?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/11/18 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by reclassof1994
Originally Posted by anonymousturd
Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.

And Zone defenses win HOCO championships


Don't you think the zone will become the norm on defense in the future
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brian King is GT 2023 coach. His son Brian is assistant.

No, Breakers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 12:18 PM

Interested in feedback from long-term coaches or experienced parents: Do the kids who have been at the top of the age group over the years tend to remain at the top throughout high school or is it more common to see significant turnover in the top players after puberty? Does turnover tend to occur more with defenders where a big physical kid who is years behind in stick skills can still be really impactful? I understand that the 2023s who have already had their growth spurt are temporarily advantaged but assume late developers will soon catch up. What to expect afterwards? What have you seen?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by reclassof1994
Originally Posted by anonymousturd
Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.

And Zone defenses win HOCO championships


Don't you think the zone will become the norm on defense in the future


If your team's main defense is a a zone, you need to find another team. Zone defense does very little, if anything, to develop kids and if your son's coach is running this it is because they either don't know how to or don't care about coaching/developing players.

Someone is going to pipe up and say - but they run zones in HS and college...blah blah blah. The objective is different in HS & College - there they are primarily worried about winning, the coach gets paid to win. In the youth ages the coach should be worried about developing the kids so that they are able to make a HS or College team and be a contributor. Standing around in a 3-3 zone does nothing for your son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Someone is going to pipe up and say - but they run zones in HS and college...blah blah blah. The objective is different in HS & College - there they are primarily worried about winning, the coach gets paid to win. In the youth ages the coach should be worried about developing the kids so that they are able to make a HS or College team and be a contributor. Standing around in a 3-3 zone does nothing for your son.


I agree. Development of player is key prior to high school. Zone teaches nothing about how to play defense. All it does is teach players how to grow roots at the youth level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 02:00 PM

2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA


Exhibit A - love it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interested in feedback from long-term coaches or experienced parents: Do the kids who have been at the top of the age group over the years tend to remain at the top throughout high school or is it more common to see significant turnover in the top players after puberty? Does turnover tend to occur more with defenders where a big physical kid who is years behind in stick skills can still be really impactful? I understand that the 2023s who have already had their growth spurt are temporarily advantaged but assume late developers will soon catch up. What to expect afterwards? What have you seen?

This is a great question and a nice break from "holdback" and "zone defense" posts. In my experience, (parent and coach) I would say that the top players in an age group do tend to be the top players in HS. I have seen many kids that were great in 8th grade, who I knew were great, now playing on Saturday's for top programs. However this is still a generalization. I have had a chance to watch the careers of a few D1 players and the common denominator for me was that they all worked very hard. They always seem to be the ones that practiced a lot and asked tons of questions. The kid who had his stick in his hand almost all the time. Size is an issue for some positions but there are AA players under 5'10". I think at the highest levels of play there are plenty of great athletes but that is not enough. I think some players are just "gamers" and know how to make plays. Some coaches refer to this as lax IQ. Even at the 2023 age group it is not always the biggest kid who is the best player. I think the players that love the game and work to improve on their own tend to be the ones who will be the top HS players. They are also some of the best players now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA




Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA




Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA




Hawks 2023 went primarily zone in 2018.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA




Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA





Exhibit B
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA




Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA





Exhibit B


The biggest problem with the 2022 API Diamondbacks decline was the lack of roster turnover and daddy coaching. In order to stay on top you have to get rid of non-talented players that are only on the roster because their parents are buddies with the coach and replace them with talented lacrosse players. The 2022 API Diamondbacks never turned over their roster until it was too late. Perfect example, the 2022 Hawks, they added new players every year to stay on top.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 10:01 PM

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA




Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA





Exhibit B


The biggest problem with the 2022 API Diamondbacks decline was the lack of roster turnover and daddy coaching. In order to stay on top you have to get rid of non-talented players that are only on the roster because their parents are buddies with the coach and replace them with talented lacrosse players. The 2022 API Diamondbacks never turned over their roster until it was too late. Perfect example, the 2022 Hawks, they added new players every year to stay on top.


Problem was the zone defense. Defense was never good. Only played zone because they lacked talent and speed on D. Never picked up any good defender cause what talented defender would want to play zone D. If your club plays zone better go find a different team if you want to keep developing your talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/12/18 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts


The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!! [/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/13/18 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts


I wouldn't make the assumption about hoco that fast. New talent on other teams will give them a run for their money - particularly if they aren't developing the kids and sticking with that zone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/13/18 06:23 AM

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/13/18 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/13/18 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts


The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!
[/quote]



Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/13/18 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/13/18 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts


The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!




Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?[/quote]
Hawks goalie dads, there is a thing called Iphones that have a txt feature. You can both txt each other your feelings or continue to have your conversations here and talk about zone defenses. It is clear that this is interesting to two people who kids play goalie. Not so much to others. All youth goalies have good games and bad and playing on a strong team that holds the ball means less shots. None of that will matter in HS so we will see.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/13/18 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts


The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!




Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?[/quote]

Someone’s nervous about losing their title of being “the best in the DMV”!!! Hahaha![/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun


What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA


Thanks Perry Mason !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun


What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.


Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts


The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!




Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?[/quote]
My nosy neighbors 13 year old son told me that the best 2023 goalie is the DC Dog's goalie
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun


What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.


Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.


"doesn't matter what is more fun" I get your point. You value winning over a young players passion for the game and development.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun


What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.


Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.


"doesn't matter what is more fun" I get your point. You value winning over a young players passion for the game and development.


You don't get it... Kids enjoy winning too. Coaches (some anyway) know what it takes. If you don't like the style of a coach, move on... don't bash the ones who play different styles.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/14/18 05:37 PM

Youth teams always play NCAA rules... 2019 will be no different in HoCo league... 80 second shot clock (20 second clear) will be kept by the referees.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/15/18 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun


What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.


Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.


"doesn't matter what is more fun" I get your point. You value winning over a young players passion for the game and development.


You don't get it... Kids enjoy winning too. Coaches (some anyway) know what it takes. If you don't like the style of a coach, move on... don't bash the ones who play different styles.


I love winning. My kids do to. I didn't bash any coaches. I think most HS and college coaches would agree about my take on zone defense. Other than that I love the way Hawks 2023 play
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/15/18 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Youth teams always play NCAA rules... 2019 will be no different in HoCo league... 80 second shot clock (20 second clear) will be kept by the referees.


you know that from those who run the league or just conjecture?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/15/18 06:12 PM

Can we get a separate zone vs man defense forum?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/16/18 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.


thank you for your enlightened, uninformed juvenile response
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/16/18 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Youth teams always play NCAA rules... 2019 will be no different in HoCo league... 80 second shot clock (20 second clear) will be kept by the referees.


But the NCAA rule (still proposed) requires an on field clock visible to the players. HoCo (and most if not all of the tournaments) will not be able to comply with that rule.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/16/18 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.


Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 05:31 PM

What is a Hawks RN dad?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.


Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad


Did I hit a nerve? Truth hurts. Haha!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.


Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad


Did I hit a nerve? Truth hurts. Haha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.


You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.


definitely not wrong


Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.


Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad


Did I hit a nerve? Truth hurts. Haha!


Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 08:06 PM

RN= RN
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is a Hawks RN dad?


registered nurse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 08:34 PM

RN
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/17/18 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.


Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.


Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.


You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 10:27 AM

Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 11:30 AM

If you are with the DC Dogs, then you mean you have to get your 10th grader reading for middle school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!


Or maybe you are the 9th grader
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.


Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.


You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!


I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.


Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.


You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!


I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.


Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.


Providing VLC/SR want to move up 10 team league could make sense. Two 5 team divisions based on last yrs results. Something like this-

div 1 - Hawks, Looneys, NL, BLC/DCE, VLC
div 2 - CB, Crabs, FCA, 91, SR

you play everyone in division plus 3 in other. inter-division games also based on last year. For example Hawks play CB Crabs FCA. VLC play FCA 91 SR, CB v Hawks Looneys NL, SR v VLC, BLC, NL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.


Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.


You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!


I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.


Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.


Interesting...that’s how all of the other teams who consistently won throughout the years thought of the Hawks. You didn’t even win your own tournament. Come back down to reality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.


Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.


You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!


I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.


Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.


Interesting...that’s how all of the other teams who consistently won throughout the years thought of the Hawks. You didn’t even win your own tournament. Come back down to reality.


My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.


Providing VLC/SR want to move up 10 team league could make sense. Two 5 team divisions based on last yrs results. Something like this-

div 1 - Hawks, Looneys, NL, BLC/DCE, VLC
div 2 - CB, Crabs, FCA, 91, SR

you play everyone in division plus 3 in other. inter-division games also based on last year. For example Hawks play CB Crabs FCA. VLC play FCA 91 SR, CB v Hawks Looneys NL, SR v VLC, BLC, NL.


This is good idea. Let's hope someone at Howard Parks and Rec read this. However, I would keep the top teams from playing each other in season if at all possible. This would be good for Team 91 to possibly get a win and would make for a higher number of close games. If VLC or SR did not want to move up Breakers would agree.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 05:36 PM

Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.


Who are you talking about?[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.


Fantastic user name!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/18/18 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.


Really they only need the one attackman and the goalie and they can beat everyone in the history of lacrosse. Oh - and the Coach's kid... he'd be on the field for sure but wouldn't really do anything. But that's it, just those 3.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/19/18 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.

With the cracker jack Zone Defense they have they really do not need a goalie
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/19/18 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.


Providing VLC/SR want to move up 10 team league could make sense. Two 5 team divisions based on last yrs results. Something like this-

div 1 - Hawks, Looneys, NL, BLC/DCE, VLC
div 2 - CB, Crabs, FCA, 91, SR

you play everyone in division plus 3 in other. inter-division games also based on last year. For example Hawks play CB Crabs FCA. VLC play FCA 91 SR, CB v Hawks Looneys NL, SR v VLC, BLC, NL.


This is good idea. Let's hope someone at Howard Parks and Rec read this. However, I would keep the top teams from playing each other in season if at all possible. This would be good for Team 91 to possibly get a win and would make for a higher number of close games. If VLC or SR did not want to move up Breakers would agree.

Leave it the way it was. AA was competitive with three 6-1 teams (VLC, Cannons, Cavs). VLC tried an Elite summer tournament schedule and big sub-500 nosedive with zero wins vs Elite competition. No need to change things. But totally agree that 2023 Elite finals will be Hawks and Madlax DC Dogs. With the two new kids from NL and kid playing up from Madlax 2024, my money is on the Dogs.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/19/18 08:20 PM

hopefully the first game of the season is the Hawks VS Dogs so we can move on from who is the "best" team this year topic. If HOCO stays with NCAA rules are they bring the dive back???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/19/18 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.


Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.


Interesting...that’s how all of the other teams who consistently won throughout the years thought of the Hawks. You didn’t even win your own tournament. Come back down to reality.


My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team.


Got rid of some much needed dead weight and we added enough. Team will be better but yeah we didn't add enough difference maker holdbacks like others did
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/20/18 10:39 AM


My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team. [/quote]

Got rid of some much needed dead weight and we added enough. Team will be better but yeah we didn't add enough difference maker holdbacks like others did[/quote]

Nice try guys... you aren't Hawks parents. just Trolls.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/20/18 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team.


Got rid of some much needed dead weight and we added enough. Team will be better but yeah we didn't add enough difference maker holdbacks like others did[/quote]

Nice try guys... you aren't Hawks parents. just Trolls.[/quote]

That's not true, I love pigs, I must be a hawks parent.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/20/18 03:21 PM

Great now my son is dead weight cant wait untill we play the dirty birds. Heard they were playing man defense this year..yea right when pigs fly!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/21/18 04:29 PM

Which teams are playing at the Pilgrim tourney in OC?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/22/18 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Great now my son is dead weight cant wait untill we play the dirty birds. Heard they were playing man defense this year..yea right when pigs fly!!


Dead weight ? dirty birds ? man defense ? pigs fly ? Are these secret code words used in youth lacrosse?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/28/18 03:13 PM

Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/28/18 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.


Even though I am a Hawks parent and you poke some fun at us (my son is one of the offensively talented middies you sarcastically reference)... this is really funny stuff. Thank you!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/28/18 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.


Just stop after FCA. You realize Koopers was in HoCo B last year? And they needed a supplemental tryout this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/29/18 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.


Just stop after FCA. You realize Koopers was in HoCo B last year? And they needed a supplemental tryout this year.


Yea, But look who is coaching them now.. Heard he secured Dwan as D coach of team. They will be a formidable team with that coaching. And best of all, a couple of Hopkins recruits/players have reclassed several grades down to 2023.
Crabs with their reclassed MIAA Varsity players will be no match for Hopkins reclassed players, heard it here first folks! . ...But and this is a big But ,,,,, And I do not think this is fair at all....rumors are that several Chesapeake Bayhawks might be reclassing down. Come on , we need some standards, reclassing pros, lets draw the line somewhere people.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 09/30/18 03:03 AM

Just stop after FCA. You realize Koopers was in HoCo B last year? And they needed a supplemental tryout this year. [/quote]

Yea, But look who is coaching them now.. Heard he secured Dwan as D coach of team. They will be a formidable team with that coaching. And best of all, a couple of Hopkins recruits/players have reclassed several grades down to 2023.
Crabs with their reclassed MIAA Varsity players will be no match for Hopkins reclassed players, heard it here first folks! . ...But and this is a big But ,,,,, And I do not think this is fair at all....rumors are that several Chesapeake Bayhawks might be reclassing down. Come on , we need some standards, reclassing pros, lets draw the line somewhere people. [/quote]

2023 D Coach is a hack helicopter dad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/01/18 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.

After very thorough research here is the official unofficial list of the top youth lacrosse teams in VA:

1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/11/18 07:46 PM

It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/11/18 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.


Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/12/18 12:26 PM

Because several are national brands... definitely was the case for the parents moving to 3D.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/12/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.


Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?

I have an older kids and a 2023 and after trying out and getting offers for a few teams I am familiar with what some of these teams charge. It is a logical assumption that the national programs with marketing directors and full time office staffs and elaborate networks need to charge more than the local team coached by dads. That is not saying there is not a benefit to a large club in terms of opportunity but it will just be interesting to watch. At this age group the impact is very different from even last season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/12/18 04:32 PM

I'm looking for a great goalie coach for 1-on-1 lessons in the DC area. Any advice appreciated
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/12/18 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.


Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?

I have an older kids and a 2023 and after trying out and getting offers for a few teams I am familiar with what some of these teams charge. It is a logical assumption that the national programs with marketing directors and full time office staffs and elaborate networks need to charge more than the local team coached by dads. That is not saying there is not a benefit to a large club in terms of opportunity but it will just be interesting to watch. At this age group the impact is very different from even last season.


So what do you understand to be the dues charged by True, 3D, and Express for the Maryland teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/12/18 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.


Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?

I have an older kids and a 2023 and after trying out and getting offers for a few teams I am familiar with what some of these teams charge. It is a logical assumption that the national programs with marketing directors and full time office staffs and elaborate networks need to charge more than the local team coached by dads. That is not saying there is not a benefit to a large club in terms of opportunity but it will just be interesting to watch. At this age group the impact is very different from even last season.


No - all clubs will charge as much as they can until they don't have enough kids to field a team. It all depends on what the market will bear.

Hoco, Kelly Post, Catonsville, Green Hornets, Hereford, etc., are offshoots of rec or travel teams and will be cheaper, but you will generally have to play on their rec/travel team in the spring in order to do their club games in the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/12/18 08:23 PM

The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/13/18 01:15 AM

Crabs is $2150 this year. But you get a lot of gear. Helmets, gloves, lot of Nike clothes, discounted Nike cleats. FCA charges $2500 and you get no helmet, no gloves, etc. Shooter shirt, uniform and sweats. Prices vary but all clubs offer different things.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/13/18 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.


So much misinformation in this post.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/13/18 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs is $2150 this year. But you get a lot of gear. Helmets, gloves, lot of Nike clothes, discounted Nike cleats. FCA charges $2500 and you get no helmet, no gloves, etc. Shooter shirt, uniform and sweats. Prices vary but all clubs offer different things.


Helmet and glove are not included with the registration dee, you stunad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/13/18 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs is $2150 this year. But you get a lot of gear. Helmets, gloves, lot of Nike clothes, discounted Nike cleats. FCA charges $2500 and you get no helmet, no gloves, etc. Shooter shirt, uniform and sweats. Prices vary but all clubs offer different things.


But the FCA dues include an overnight retreat that has nothing to do with lacrosse but does seek to convert kids to born again Christians.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.


So much misinformation in this post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.


So much misinformation in this post.


Specifically what National club with a Maryland team charges $4000?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 08:05 PM

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.


No excuses. You guys had a great game. We will get you next time that’s guarantee!!! Leave the goalie alone he was left out on an island by himself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!


I think you've been over served. Go home, you're drunk. Oh, wait - that's how you Hawks Dad's deal with those pigs at home. I get it now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 11:10 PM

What was the score of the hawks game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!


I think you've been over served. Go home, you're drunk. Oh, wait - that's how you Hawks Dad's deal with those pigs at home. I get it now.


Why is it when the truth comes out everyone gets butt hurt. Its all over YouTube, you can see it for yourself. Bail King!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/14/18 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.


No excuses. You guys had a great game. We will get you next time that’s guarantee!!! Leave the goalie alone he was left out on an island by himself.


We will see
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score of the hawks game


10-3 crabs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 12:32 AM

How was Long Island team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 12:42 AM

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!


You're an stunad. It is football season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 01:23 AM

what tournament did crabs/hawks play in?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!



Either scared or had football games to get to. One or the other.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!


I think you've been over served. Go home, you're drunk. Oh, wait - that's how you Hawks Dad's deal with those pigs at home. I get it now.


Why is it when the truth comes out everyone gets butt hurt. Its all over YouTube, you can see it for yourself. Bail King!!!


Sounds like dads for goalies on both teams going at it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 12:33 PM

That was my son driving he only has his permit. I over indulged on the mimosas at the tailgate ... if you have seen my wife you would understand!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!


You're an stunad. It is football season.


Youth football plays games on Saturday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 01:05 PM

Scores guys??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!


You're an stunad. It is football season.


Youth football plays games on Saturday.



incorrect- check out the AA county and Kent County websites if you must. Sometimes Saturdays, Sometimes Sundays. Yesterday (sunday) county rec teams played. Clearly, you son does not play county football. A little googling would have saved you a post.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 01:58 PM

Either way
Maryland wins the day
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!


You're an stunad. It is football season.


Youth football plays games on Saturday.



incorrect- check out the AA county and Kent County websites if you must. Sometimes Saturdays, Sometimes Sundays. Yesterday (sunday) county rec teams played. Clearly, you son does not play county football. A little googling would have saved you a post.


Football checks birth certificates... how can all of these holdback kids play? Interesting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 03:55 PM

How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!


You're an stunad. It is football season.


Youth football plays games on Saturday.



incorrect- check out the AA county and Kent County websites if you must. Sometimes Saturdays, Sometimes Sundays. Yesterday (sunday) county rec teams played. Clearly, you son does not play county football. A little googling would have saved you a post.


Football checks birth certificates... how can all of these holdback kids play? Interesting.



indeed- it is a wide ranging conspiracy that all those 8th grade hawks kids are holdbacks for lacrosse AND football.. . crazy. . .everyone is in cahoots to win lacrosse tourneys and then the coveted county rec football championship. yes, that must be it. unless, wait for it, they are on age. whoa. . .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 04:45 PM

Because they are only holdbacks in your imagination. But in fact you have to provide three forms of verification in some leagues. Maybe they had makeup HS games ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 04:49 PM

Crabs looked good yesterday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs looked good yesterday.


The attackman repeating 8th grade helps.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 06:50 PM



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs looked good yesterday.


Scores???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That was my son driving he only has his permit. I over indulged on the mimosas at the tailgate ... if you have seen my wife you would understand!!!


^^^ This guy gets it!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,

Freedom went 3-0... Sloppy come on
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score of the hawks game


10-3 crabs


So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/15/18 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,


So is 91 Md
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score of the hawks game


10-3 crabs


So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.


They played man D in first half. It was ugly so they went zone. That was ugly so they went back to man. Wonder what they are going to do now that they are out of options.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score of the hawks game


10-3 crabs


So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.


They played man D in first half. It was ugly so they went zone. That was ugly so they went back to man. Wonder what they are going to do now that they are out of options.

Is it too early to suggest maybe the Hawks play AA in HOCO this spring?
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score of the hawks game


10-3 crabs


So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.


Hawks had a good portion of their team missing for the game. Keep celebrating while you can though. You won’t have the chance again. Glad to see your coach didn’t keel over, it looked like it was touch and go there for awhile.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,


So is 91 Md

Just a correction

Freedom beat 91 7-6. I think they beat Patriot 7-0.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 11:33 AM

Dont get all excited its fal ball Crabs dad.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,



Freedom beat Patriot 8-0
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 01:11 PM

Crabs players are man-sized, faster, and stronger. Their starters can literally run circles around 75% of their opponents' starters. They simply outmatched the other teams on Sunday. The Hawks top attack and goalie had bad days but it is still a HOCO Elite team.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score of the hawks game


10-3 crabs


So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.


Hawks had a good portion of their team missing for the game. Keep celebrating while you can though. You won’t have the chance again. Glad to see your coach didn’t keel over, it looked like it was touch and go there for awhile.


Like I said... here come the excuses. They were missing 4 kids, 2 who were contributors. They would not have made a 7 goal difference. Hawks parents on the sidelines were hilarious to watch as the reality set in that their days of winning with gimmicky defensive schemes and holdback players vanished before their eyes. Now we get to see if the Hawks coaches can actually coach and develop players.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs players are man-sized, faster, and stronger. Their starters can literally run circles around 75% of their opponents' starters. They simply outmatched the other teams on Sunday. The Hawks top attack and goalie had bad days but it is still a HOCO Elite team.

Obviously the comment about Hawks dropping down was a joke. Last fall 91 beat Club Blue
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What was the score of the hawks game


10-3 crabs


So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.


Hawks had a good portion of their team missing for the game. Keep celebrating while you can though. You won’t have the chance again. Glad to see your coach didn’t keel over, it looked like it was touch and go there for awhile.


Like I said... here come the excuses. They were missing 4 kids, 2 who were contributors. They would not have made a 7 goal difference. Hawks parents on the sidelines were hilarious to watch as the reality set in that their days of winning with gimmicky defensive schemes and holdback players vanished before their eyes. Now we get to see if the Hawks coaches can actually coach and develop players.


No excuses we played terrible, actually they were missing 7 guys from that game. Enjoy the win you were the better team on Sunday.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs players are man-sized, faster, and stronger. Their starters can literally run circles around 75% of their opponents' starters. They simply outmatched the other teams on Sunday. The Hawks top attack and goalie had bad days but it is still a HOCO Elite team.


Goalie and Top Attack had bad days? Neither were there against the Crabs and both played well in the early games. Hawks lefty attack is also injured. You Hawks haters may want to relax a bit. They may not be quite as dominant as last year but they are definitely one of the top 2 teams in HoCo. Not even a question.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 03:30 PM

Crabs does not develop players. They import and reclassify. Then crabmam claims credit every year coaching the 8th grade team on 9th grade age kids.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 03:43 PM

Crabs Dads + Hawks Dad = ???

Solve the equation
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs Dads + Hawks Dad = ???

Solve the equation


I’m terrible at solving riddles...please enlighten us with you infinite wisdom
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 04:27 PM

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 04:40 PM

Tiny PP's?
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 04:53 PM

How did the crabs do against the other teams in the playday?

I hear the Hawks best 4/5 kids left to go to a Football game. Including the starting goalie and too attackman.

Also, it’s October. Chill Crabs and Hawks dad.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.



Get a life Ryan.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 05:01 PM

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.


Go back to the NY forum no one here wants your opinion. If i had had to guess your one of three 1. New goalies dad
2. New D-pole dad
3. FLID
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.


Thanks, new Hawks goalie Dad.

Stop trolling your new team. Not a good look.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.


Good Job Ryan
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.


^^^ He speaketh the truth!
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/16/18 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.


Thanks, new Hawks goalie Dad.

Stop trolling your new team. Not a good look.


Oh No, Hawks' Dads in fighting. Sounds like HOCO AA is in there future!!!
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/17/18 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.


Thanks, new Hawks goalie Dad.

Stop trolling your new team. Not a good look.


Oh No, Hawks' Dads in fighting. Sounds like HOCO AA is in there future!!!


I sure hope so... if not we will have a long season playing with the “elite” teams. Did anyone ever figure out the riddle?
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 01:15 AM

Crazy how many players are being heldback in 8th grade. Will be fun seeing who has the biggest players this year.
Great talent at this level with all these 9th graders...i mean 8th graders
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crazy how many players are being heldback in 8th grade. Will be fun seeing who has the biggest players this year.
Great talent at this level with all these 9th graders...i mean 8th graders



There were already plenty of 2023 boys a year older that did prefirst or repeated as middle school grade. Everyone knows the McD game. Some parents even do it and hide the kid at St James or parish schools.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 12:54 PM

that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules



Nothing wrong with what they are doing. Clearly within the rules. There is no reason that a player shouldnt be one to two years older than the majority of players they go against. They are on grade. End of story.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules



Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules



Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???


Technically it could be a 5 year difference between his snowflake freshman and a holdback cheater senior.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by ILovePigs
[quote=Anonymous]that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules



Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???


Technically it could be a 5 year difference between his snowflake freshman and a holdback cheater senior

My son is on age and I have no problem with holdbacks. To each his own. I find that the majority of the parents that complain about it have children that cant play at a high level but cant put their own ego aside and play where they would be more competitive.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by ILovePigs
[quote=Anonymous]that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules



Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???


Technically it could be a 5 year difference between his snowflake freshman and a holdback cheater senior

My son is on age and I have no problem with holdbacks. To each his own. I find that the majority of the parents that complain about it have children that cant play at a high level but cant put their own ego aside and play where they would be more competitive.


You and Pocahontas. Same myth. It’s the holdbacks that can play on the level. Your holdback is the one who needs the extra year. And you that do it are chasing the dream. Try steroids next.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/19/18 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=ILovePigs][quote=Anonymous]that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules


Whats going to be your excuse next year in
My son is on age and I have no problem with holdbacks. To each his own. I find that the majority of the parents that complain about it have children that cant play at a high level but cant put their own ego aside and play where they would be more competitive.


“Play where they would be most competitive” you say referring to on age kids.... does that also apply to justify snowflake holdback and his dad’s ego - repeat a year of school so you can compete against younger players? Your statement sounds like Hillary Clinton being the face of me too and defending her husband’s misconduct. It’s called hyprocrisy.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 12:35 AM

Love it ...no excuse for the holdbacks!!!!Yeah let’s leave my kid back a year for lacrosse...haha...let me pump up my chest as my 9th grader plays against some kids who haven’t reached puberty yet...Really looking out for the best interests of your kid....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 03:57 AM

Last three posters = same guy.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 01:55 PM

Isn’t rec lax and aren’t all rec sports structured with 2 year age gaps (5-6th grade then 7-8th grade)? As the parent of on age sons, the holdback argument is purely a parent ego problem. At this age it’s especially sensitive because of puberty and the differences in development. So for all those parents/sons out there feeling low about playing in or not playing in the Elite division against bigger/better players, don’t stress just keep practicing. Play on a team where you get good coaching, where you get ample playing time, and you have fun with your teammates because eventually your later development will even itself out and college recruiters will still be watching.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 03:28 PM

No excuses then but this is youth lacrosse. If you want to play elite(AAA) expect hold backs. AA a couple of hold backs. If HOLDBACKS are playing A or B thats called CHEATING.
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 03:31 PM

All Pal leagues in NY are based on 1 grade. Even Quint Kessenich from ESPN called you guys out on your inability to field competitive teams in the WSYL because you can't play holdbacks. Here we go... let the WSYL haters chime in ( but no matter how you feel...it is a true measure of a team, based on legitimate age markers) Yes the holdback issue goes away once they get into High School... but overall 6/7/8 graders playing kids a year or two older is a big deal. There is no need for it now due to new NCAA regulations. As someone said earlier, talent will overcome size later on.. Just keep telling yourself that holding back your youngster is ok. Sounds more like it is feeding your ego to me. BTW I only posted #274593 above....Sorry not the same person
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 04:00 PM

the best part is when privileged entitled junior is a perfirst or holdback but still can’t start on his club team and everyone knows it. And hammerhead dad is standing on the sideline head to toe in team gear while the others are laughing behind his back. But he is on hear running his mouth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 04:09 PM

This is why it matters at in youth. Try to keep up. Assume all kids are the same age and a 2023 team has 23 spots. Fair competition. Now assume 5-10 snowflakes do an extra year of school. They have an unfair advantage for the 2023 team. Now let’s look at high school. Assume on age kids for 9-12 grade for say 30 spots for V and 30 for JV. Fair competition. But now assume 5-10 kids each grade have done an extra year of school. Fair competition. Even you ha,mere heads can see the holdbacks now in 12th grade should have graduated, and those in 10th should be in 11th therefore ineligible for JV.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 06:52 PM

Look. Can't we all stop arguing about holdbacks and snowflakes and find something we can all agree on? Like the fact that Hawks mom's are pigs, or that Hawks dad's are red necks?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why it matters at in youth. Try to keep up. Assume all kids are the same age and a 2023 team has 23 spots. Fair competition. Now assume 5-10 snowflakes do an extra year of school. They have an unfair advantage for the 2023 team. Now let’s look at high school. Assume on age kids for 9-12 grade for say 30 spots for V and 30 for JV. Fair competition. But now assume 5-10 kids each grade have done an extra year of school. Fair competition. Even you ha,mere heads can see the holdbacks now in 12th grade should have graduated, and those in 10th should be in 11th therefore ineligible for JV.


Holdbacks/reclass/prefirst works for many as you stated above.

Does it work for all..of course not. But it does help good players who would be average on age become superstars in youth...Then a smaller advantage in High School over other good players as holdbacks are older. The holdback will never be better than true on age very good athletic player after puberty, but the holdback will be better than the many average to good players in lacrosse. Lets face it, Majority of players are average to good,,,basketball, football, Hockey,Baseball get the true superstar athletics, lacrosse gets a few of these and the rest are average good. And holding back helps all the way to college for these players. This issue wont go away, only get worst.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/20/18 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look. Can't we all stop arguing about holdbacks and snowflakes and find something we can all agree on? Like the fact that Hawks mom's are pigs, or that Hawks dad's are red necks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look. Can't we all stop arguing about holdbacks and snowflakes and find something we can all agree on? Like the fact that Hawks mom's are pigs, or that Hawks dad's are red necks?


You are probably a Hawks dad trolling his own team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/21/18 11:00 PM

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/21/18 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


Don’t worry Looney’s we will put up 15 next time we see you!!!
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


2022
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


All the teams looked unimpressive today.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


All the teams looked unimpressive today.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


Fall Ball... they weren't that impressive last fall either. The gap has been eliminated but they will still be very good. Guarantee they lose at least one HoCo game. Crabs!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


All the teams looked unimpressive today.


Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 03:47 AM

For those who think the holdback issue goes away during HS, you couldnt be any further off base. The hold back issue continues through College. if you have nephews or older children just compare how they are at 16/17 to what they are at 21/22 not the same person so yes players continue to mature both mentally and physically. Each year between 16-23 a male continues to grow, maybe not in Height but in things like strength absolutely!

A 19 year old freshman in fall ball is much different that a 17 year old. a 20 year Sophomore is much different than a 18 year freshman. Or better yet a 21 year old Jr is the same as a 21 year old Sr.

Holdbacks and pre-first will continue to have an advantage though college. I have an on age boy, he looks around at the boys a grade younger than him and just laughs, as most played with him when he was younger, some are even older than he is. All great athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 12:27 PM

My on age son will get the same scholarship as your hold back son but you paid an extra $30,000 tuition.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.


Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My on age son will get the same scholarship as your hold back son but you paid an extra $30,000 tuition.


^^^ Another guy who gets it. Or maybe just the same guy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.


Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.


Because I love pigs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


All the teams looked unimpressive today.


Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

Is it too soon to suggest that maybe the Hawks need to check out the Aloha Tournament website when selecting events for this summer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.


Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.

Anyone who comes to this forum takes it seriously. You're sorely mistaken if you think the Hawks coaches don't take wins and losses seriously.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.


Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.

Anyone who comes to this forum takes it seriously. You're sorely mistaken if you think the Hawks coaches don't take wins and losses seriously.


So what's up with the Hawks? Were their star players not there on Sunday? Did they lose kids in the offseason?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 04:49 PM

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Jealousy
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Jealousy


Wishful thinking.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


All the teams looked unimpressive today.


Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

Is it too soon to suggest that maybe the Hawks need to check out the Aloha Tournament website when selecting events for this summer?


OUCH ! Thats a Low Blow !!
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/22/18 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.


All the teams looked unimpressive today.


Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

Is it too soon to suggest that maybe the Hawks need to check out the Aloha Tournament website when selecting events for this summer?


OUCH ! Thats a Low Blow !!


Why all the hate towards the Hawks? I know some of its just joking around and being funny (notice my name). I’m really starting to believe there is some ill will towards this team. Is it because they dominated HOCO last year because the year before they were not that good. Who knows how this spring will turn out. I just hope the players dont come on here and see how immature everyone is including my self. How did all the other teams do yesterday at the Maryland play day?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Same reason that last year the talk was all about the demise of the 2023 crabs. People love to see the team on top fall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Same reason that last year the talk was all about the demise of the 2023 crabs. People love to see the team on top fall.


Every year the 8th grade teams get the big chatter. Holdbacks are a huge issue as it is still a big advantage. People are still in the youth mode, where they think it actually matters if your team wins or loses. Look at the 9th, 10th , 11th grade teams..Some chatter, but not much.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.


Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Same reason that last year the talk was all about the demise of the 2023 crabs. People love to see the team on top fall.


Well the Crabs did take a major step backwards last year from the prior two so that chatter was warranted and accurate. But that was because the entire midfield and coaching staff left. But they seems to have reloaded this year.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/23/18 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.


Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.


Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?


Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.


Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.[/quote

I am the Wife... you couldnt handle my bacon!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/25/18 10:19 PM

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Desperate and pathetic buyer beware.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/


Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/


Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 03:28 PM

madlax left off because the 2023 team BLEW UP...DC Dogs best hold back team EVER!!!! just ask their parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/


Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

One: DC Dogs is NOT a N.VA team. May be Madlax but not N.VA they will mostly feed G.Town Prep. BW 2022 is mixed with 2023 and average. A few really strong players mixed with players from Evergreen. Should also list Evergreen on the list as this team is the feeder for BW. And that should tell you what you need to know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
madlax left off because the 2023 team BLEW UP...DC Dogs best hold back team EVER!!!! just ask their parents.

There are at least 2 kids on dogs that are 2-year holdbacks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 07:03 PM

Have not played ACS
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/26/18 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/


Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

One: DC Dogs is NOT a N.VA team. May be Madlax but not N.VA they will mostly feed G.Town Prep. BW 2022 is mixed with 2023 and average. A few really strong players mixed with players from Evergreen. Should also list Evergreen on the list as this team is the feeder for BW. And that should tell you what you need to know.

The original post said "DC area players." Not sure why the squabble about DC Dogs not being a N.VA team. Surely, DC Dogs is a "DC area" team.

But hit it on the head with the Evergreen to BW 2022 pipeline!!!! Confirmed that BW 2022 took half a dozen Evergreen 2022 kids which says it all. Except for one tall rangy mid, none of those Evergreen kids are very good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/27/18 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
madlax left off because the 2023 team BLEW UP...DC Dogs best hold back team EVER!!!! just ask their parents.

There are at least 2 kids on dogs that are 2-year holdbacks


Whats wrong with that..Gotta compete somehow ! Quit being so jealous of top talent
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/28/18 09:48 PM

Zone D working out today?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 03:08 PM

Scores from Battle of the Bay?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores from Battle of the Bay?


https://admin.tourneymachine.com/R50732
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.


More players at that tournament were holdbacks than not. You parents have made a joke of the sport.
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.


Hawks parents talking about holdbacks is pretty ironic don't you think?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.


Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 11:08 PM

Ironic? No. Simply compare rosters. Can’t be that hard to figure out. Or. Just keep saying hawks is stacked with holdbacks until you start believing yourself.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.


Hawks parents talking about holdbacks is pretty ironic don't you think?
Posted By: ILovePigs

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/29/18 11:19 PM

How many holdbacks to the Hawks have? I heard half the team was so that makes about 15 with that college size roster on the sideline. Someone is getting paid in Naptown!!!
All kidding aside the Crabs do look very good and may be the team to beat this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by ILovePigs
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.


Agree with the zone D. No matter what Defense you guys play, you guys have bigger issues on the offensive side. You need to score more than two goals!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 02:30 AM

How did the Dukes Nationals look playing crabs..One tie and then a One goal Victory over Dukes .. I heard Dukes had some big attackman
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.


Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.


It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did the Dukes Nationals look playing crabs..One tie and then a One goal Victory over Dukes .. I heard Dukes had some big attackman


When they played a good, settled offense, Duke's looked very good. What got them into trouble was when they played selfish. That resulted in turnovers from either errant passes or poor shots. Get them playing together a little more and these issues will go away.

Duke's was starting to take command of the game when Crab's scored a goal from inside the crease. Big miss by the ref that impacted momentum. They lost in overtime in a very aggressive game. They were two men up at the start of OT and basically threw the ball away on offense. Crabs were a lot bigger and physically mature than the Duke's players which contributed to their success in such a physical game.

Regardless of all the hate for these two teams, it was a great game to watch.

The new "big" attack was pretty tall but also pretty skinny. Didn't look older than 14.

Rumor has it that Crabs had 13(!) holdback/reclassed players. At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 11:44 AM

At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)[/quote]

One if those A is 2023 and played up last year. The other one repeated 8th grade and transferred to Loyola.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.


Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.


It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!


Do you feel better now that your tantrum is over?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)


One if those A is 2023 and played up last year. The other one repeated 8th grade and transferred to Loyola. [/quote]

4 of 5 Crabs attack are holdbacks. Bigger, better, faster, older!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 12:48 PM

Thank
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.


Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.


It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!


Do you feel better now that your tantrum is over?


Not a tantrum. Just pointing out the obvious. You don’t say a kid is the smartest in the class after they get a “A” on a test when they took it three times. It’s hard to say if a team is really good if their entire offense is 2-2 years older. Just common sense. Clearly this sport could use more common sense and less stunands.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.


More players at that tournament were holdbacks than not. You parents have made a joke of the sport.


Back in the day, the kids who were considered ballers were the younger kids who could take on the big kids. Not the big kids who play down! They were considered...well, we all know.
Oh wait, this still rings true in every other sport but Lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 01:26 PM

When colleges start recruiting by birth date rather than by class, that's when it will stop. Other than that, it is up to the tournament directors to police the team rosters and put a limit on the amount of kids born prior to the US lacrosse age guidelines. But as others have said, there is no incentive to do that because the tournaments and leagues need the registrations. If you or your kid's team is so handicapped by age and you want to improve the experience, you'll need to move to a USL team and play in the SMYLA league or something similar.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zone D working out today?


Holdbacks did for Crabs.


Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.


It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!




It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)


One if those A is 2023 and played up last year. The other one repeated 8th grade and transferred to Loyola. [/quote]
Wrong about the Loyola kid. He was a seventh grader last year, has always played up and has a late 2004 birthday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How did the Dukes Nationals look playing crabs..One tie and then a One goal Victory over Dukes .. I heard Dukes had some big attackman


When they played a good, settled offense, Duke's looked very good. What got them into trouble was when they played selfish. That resulted in turnovers from either errant passes or poor shots. Get them playing together a little more and these issues will go away.

Duke's was starting to take command of the game when Crab's scored a goal from inside the crease. Big miss by the ref that impacted momentum. They lost in overtime in a very aggressive game. They were two men up at the start of OT and basically threw the ball away on offense. Crabs were a lot bigger and physically mature than the Duke's players which contributed to their success in such a physical game.

Regardless of all the hate for these two teams, it was a great game to watch.

The new "big" attack was pretty tall but also pretty skinny. Didn't look older than 14.

Rumor has it that Crabs had 13(!) holdback/reclassed players. At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)


Both players that were on Crabs 2022 last year were in 7th grade last year and were playing up. One attack and one defender
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When colleges start recruiting by birth date rather than by class, that's when it will stop. Other than that, it is up to the tournament directors to police the team rosters and put a limit on the amount of kids born prior to the US lacrosse age guidelines. But as others have said, there is no incentive to do that because the tournaments and leagues need the registrations. If you or your kid's team is so handicapped by age and you want to improve the experience, you'll need to move to a USL team and play in the SMYLA league or something similar.


I think the previous poster's point is that the community in general needs to put an end to it. The way things are today, teams are just stocking up on holdbacks and reclassified kids so a 2023 team is, for the most part, a rebranded 22 team. We, the parents, are the ones escalating things. The club teams, high schools, and colleges are the ones that get the benefit.

If everyone continues to hold back and reclassify their kids, we're just going to raise the age at every level in lacrosse. So at some point the playing field gets leveled until a group decides to triple holdback, and the cycle will then continue. We now have 16 year old 8th graders. What's next? 17 year old 8th graders? Do you really want that 17 year old taking your 13 year old daughter to the 8th grade dance? Think about it.

There is no advantage when everyone starts doing it.

We, as parents, are empowered to stop this silliness because it is spiraling out of control.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”



Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”



Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.


This statement is untrue. The Hawks bring in players also. You can keep trying to tell yourself that the Hawks are something different, but they aren't. Hogan is just as bad as Kelly and McClernan. Just get over it and accept that if your kid plays in the elite level for one of these clubs then there will be holdbacks, guest players, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 04:48 PM

91Md? That team is 3rd rate. Have yet to win a game in HoCo after two years. Did not even make the HoCo A final three years ago. Yet they claim to develop players better than any club. Same coach, same core, same losing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”



Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

Do not forget DC dogs. At least the 2023 team is playing in the 2022 division this fall. This way they are all on age!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”



Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.


Fake News. Also, your wife is a Pig. She is yuuuge! That is all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”



Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.


Fake News. Also, your wife is a Pig. She is yuuuge! That is all.


Thanks I like it that way....Better than nailing a 2x4.
Hawks have not had any guest players in any of the four years we have played with them but i can only speak for the 23’s. I
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/30/18 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.


This statement is untrue. The Hawks bring in players also. You can keep trying to tell yourself that the Hawks are something different, but they aren't. Hogan is just as bad as Kelly and McClernan. Just get over it and accept that if your kid plays in the elite level for one of these clubs then there will be holdbacks, guest players, etc.

Even though most who read this do not care, N.VA teams do not have holdbacks/re-classing and also do not have a team in Elite. Connection? I have not heard any N.VA teams with older kids. There are some kids that play for MD teams but they have crazy parents willing to spend hours in traffic so they would also have no issue paying an extra year of private school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/31/18 09:21 PM

1. There are holdbacks on NoVa teams. Not the quantity in MD, but there are.

2. If Team 91 is allowed to be elite again, that's a complete joke. They've gone winless at elite for 2 straight years. They should have been AA last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 10/31/18 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.


This statement is untrue. The Hawks bring in players also. You can keep trying to tell yourself that the Hawks are something different, but they aren't. Hogan is just as bad as Kelly and McClernan. Just get over it and accept that if your kid plays in the elite level for one of these clubs then there will be holdbacks, guest players, etc.

Even though most who read this do not care, N.VA teams do not have holdbacks/re-classing and also do not have a team in Elite. Connection? I have not heard any N.VA teams with older kids. There are some kids that play for MD teams but they have crazy parents willing to spend hours in traffic so they would also have no issue paying an extra year of private school.


Play for Evergreen. Holdback-free since inception and top feeder program for Blackwolf.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/01/18 01:41 AM

Evergreen is also talent-free. The face that it's the only team BW can poach from now shows you how far BW has fallen.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/01/18 03:14 PM

Not sure why so much talk about Black Wolf on the 2023 group as they only have a 2022 team with a few 2023 players playing up. BW has had a history of getting at least 10 or more players to top college programs. If it is true that they have mostly Evergreen players and time will tell but if they get these kids recruited, that says alot about the ability to develop players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/01/18 03:51 PM

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.


Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.


Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers



That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.


Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers



That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^


Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/02/18 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.


Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers



That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^


Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.


wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/03/18 03:27 AM

Is MM involved coaching 91MD 2023 not that is son is 2023?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/03/18 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.


Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers



That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^


Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.


wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.

Same old holdback whining. Yawn. Get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/03/18 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same old holdback whining. Yawn. Get a life.


Seems the comments will continue to be appropriate as long as parents of teams stocked with holdbacks brag about how great their (kid's) team is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/04/18 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.


Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers



That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^


Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.


wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.

Same old holdback whining. Yawn. Get a life.


Same old holdback apologists ..Dont like to be called out for having an advantage others same age dont get.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/04/18 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM involved coaching 91MD 2023 not that is son is 2023?


Does a bear in the woods...No one else is allowed to.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/04/18 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.


Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers



That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^


Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.


wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.


The ironic part is that the crabs 23's have the same number of holdbacks as the other elite level teams, Hawks included. The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks. Also, your wife is a pig.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/04/18 06:07 PM

This sounds so dumb. So our 9th grade age 8th graders beat yours. Impressive. Now have those same kids play on age and lose their playing time. Posers. You parents are pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/04/18 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/


Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

One: DC Dogs is NOT a N.VA team. May be Madlax but not N.VA they will mostly feed G.Town Prep. BW 2022 is mixed with 2023 and average. A few really strong players mixed with players from Evergreen. Should also list Evergreen on the list as this team is the feeder for BW. And that should tell you what you need to know.

The original post said "DC area players." Not sure why the squabble about DC Dogs not being a N.VA team. Surely, DC Dogs is a "DC area" team.

But hit it on the head with the Evergreen to BW 2022 pipeline!!!! Confirmed that BW 2022 took half a dozen Evergreen 2022 kids which says it all. Except for one tall rangy mid, none of those Evergreen kids are very good.


RESULTS from today's Terrapin Classic:

Madlax Capital 9 Patriots 5
Patriots 7 Blackwolf 4

Madlax Capital 13 STEPS 2
Blackwolf 7 STEPS 6

Blackwolf is not even better than Madlax Capital. BLACKWOLF, don't believe the hype.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 12:24 AM

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 02:29 AM

Probably most of their midfield
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)


They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)


They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.


What were the scores?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 04:41 PM

South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)


They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.

Well if it makes you feel better they are playing in the 2022 bracket this Sunday in Delaware.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 07:44 PM

Funny thing about the hold back - reclass issue is that the parents who get the most bent out of shape about this are NOT the parents of the kids who play these teams. It is mostly the parents of the kids who are on these teams. Parents really have little way of knowing which kid is older unless they are on the same team. However, if your kid is not able to get on the field because he has to compete for playing time with an older kids that is what causes stress for the parents. In addition, the holdback teams also tend to bring in guests who are older and do not know the team or the offensive scheme. The guest players are bigger and stronger and run through defenses to score while ignoring the loyal on age kid's parents who are screaming on the sideline, "he is wide open."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 07:54 PM

We
Originally Posted by Anonymous
South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised

Evergreen 2023 went undefeated and won Championship yesterday. New sheriff in NOVA 23. Bring on the Madlax Dogs. Not afraid of them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We
Originally Posted by Anonymous
South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised

Evergreen 2023 went undefeated and won Championship yesterday. New sheriff in NOVA 23. Bring on the Madlax Dogs. Not afraid of them.

Madlax DC Dogs are NOT a N.VA team. I guess they are a DC team if that even exists which is does not. They do not practice or play in VA. They are the old Club Blue team and are a Montgomery County MD team with less than a handful of NOVA players a couple of bid middies and back up goalie at most. They will not feed N.VA HS for the most part. A few other MD teams also have a couple of VA players. Are Crabs a VA team? I do not think the coach of most of the kids want to be a NOVA team either. Congrats to Evergreen for being the best team in Loudoun with Green Helmets! I watched them play and thought it was the Hawks for a second.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/05/18 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny thing about the hold back - reclass issue is that the parents who get the most bent out of shape about this are NOT the parents of the kids who play these teams. It is mostly the parents of the kids who are on these teams. Parents really have little way of knowing which kid is older unless they are on the same team. However, if your kid is not able to get on the field because he has to compete for playing time with an older kids that is what causes stress for the parents. In addition, the holdback teams also tend to bring in guests who are older and do not know the team or the offensive scheme. The guest players are bigger and stronger and run through defenses to score while ignoring the loyal on age kid's parents who are screaming on the sideline, "he is wide open."


Almost as annoying as hold backs are the parents yelling instruction to the kids during a game. Bad form
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised


it is fall. Give MM time. By Spring top team to beat.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised


it is fall. Give MM time. By Spring top team to beat.


As soon as guest players from Texas and Carolina come in,T91 will be great.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 01:52 PM

No guest players on Team91 2023 last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No guest players on Team91 2023 last year.

His kid didn't play on that team last year, so he didn't care.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No guest players on Team91 2023 last year.



Maybe they added a player or two but if the were even with SR they should play in that division in the spring. SR is a fine team with some good players. T91 clearly belongs in that level and not Elite. Kids will have more fun. Only parents and coaches ego's that will take a hit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 03:36 PM

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)


They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.

Well if it makes you feel better they are playing in the 2022 bracket this Sunday in Delaware.

Must be tired of beating up younger kids
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Can't put Hawks at same level as Poodles and Jumbo lump, which are both actually 2022 teams playing down come spring
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Move Cannon and Cav's down one and you have it correct
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Being conservative, Evergreen 2023 should be AA. AAA if they bring some kids down from the 2022 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest


Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest


Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest


Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

Agreed re VLC not being even close to Elite. Hawks, Crabs, and Dawgs would beat them by at least 10 goals.

But being positive, VLC does have solid D and goalie. Offense is the problem. VLC has one strong middie and one strong attack (easy to identify after watching for 5 mins), stop them and you win. Rest of offensive players are about the same as most travel players sprinkled throughout HOCO AA/A. To get over the hump, VLC needs a couple new starters on A and M and maybe a new Offensive Coordinator.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest


Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.


VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest


Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.


VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.

VLC kids should tryout for Evergreen where they can join the feeder pipeline to Blackwolf 2023 next year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest


Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.


VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.

OK - I am not a VLC parent but want to clarify: This is a MD-DC-VA group not a PA group or NJ or NY. We actually have a league in the spring with divisions. Call them whatever you want I do not care but in our Howard County Park and Rec. Spring league there is B, A, AA, and Elite. This team won the AA league. Therefore to say they do not belong in the AA league is incorrect. My son plays for Next Level and they are in the Elite Division so the above post is also incorrect for the spring unless the person posting feels that we should only have three teams in the Elite division.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/06/18 10:28 PM

To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 12:46 AM

NL and Looneys are boarderline Elite very good teams and VLC is AA which is also solid. Not all teams can beat Crabs Hawks and Dogs but doesn’t mean they aren’t good
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest


Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.


VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.

OK - I am not a VLC parent but want to clarify: This is a MD-DC-VA group not a PA group or NJ or NY. We actually have a league in the spring with divisions. Call them whatever you want I do not care but in our Howard County Park and Rec. Spring league there is B, A, AA, and Elite. This team won the AA league. Therefore to say they do not belong in the AA league is incorrect. My son plays for Next Level and they are in the Elite Division so the above post is also incorrect for the spring unless the person posting feels that we should only have three teams in the Elite division.

I like VLC. Some good kids and coaches thru the years. But at this age group, VLC is good, not great. Look at summer results. Beat the average and weak teams, lost to every elite team they played. Nothing wrong with that. VLC belongs in the second tier of wherever they play, whether you want to call it AAA, AA, AA Elite or whatever. Same goes for all the other one-loss regular season HOCO AA teams from last spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 02:00 PM

sorry if I left your team off...just want competitive games don't care where my kid plays. three years ago HOCO had a competition Committee moved teams up and down all games should be 2-4 goals. its not about wins and loses. ITS ABOUT THE KIDS NOT THE CRAZY PARENTS>
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/07/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks


At least 2 on Looneys now...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks


This year’s excuse is fewer holdbacks? What was it in 5th-7h grade?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].


Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is


I am not understanding your comment but it doesn’t even matter anyway. At this point it is very hard to tell who is a good team when there are players added to rosters for one tournament or one game that don’t even live in this state. Or if 1/2 a team is older than another team. Playing in tournaments picked by Club Directors, run by Club Directors who make the schedule in their favor. How can you even tell anymore who is a good team? No excuses, not a Looney’s parent but I could care a less any more about wins and losses. As long as my son is having fun, learning and wants to continue playing a sport he loves then I will gladly have him play for a team that doesn’t do anything it takes for a “W”.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is


I am not understanding your comment but it doesn’t even matter anyway. At this point it is very hard to tell who is a good team when there are players added to rosters for one tournament or one game that don’t even live in this state. Or if 1/2 a team is older than another team. Playing in tournaments picked by Club Directors, run by Club Directors who make the schedule in their favor. How can you even tell anymore who is a good team? No excuses, not a Looney’s parent but I could care a less any more about wins and losses. As long as my son is having fun, learning and wants to continue playing a sport he loves then I will gladly have him play for a team that doesn’t do anything it takes for a “W”.


"Learning"? That is what is getting lost in Club lacrosse. It's becoming more about the "W". Player development has taken a backseat.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is


I am not understanding your comment but it doesn’t even matter anyway. At this point it is very hard to tell who is a good team when there are players added to rosters for one tournament or one game that don’t even live in this state. Or if 1/2 a team is older than another team. Playing in tournaments picked by Club Directors, run by Club Directors who make the schedule in their favor. How can you even tell anymore who is a good team? No excuses, not a Looney’s parent but I could care a less any more about wins and losses. As long as my son is having fun, learning and wants to continue playing a sport he loves then I will gladly have him play for a team that doesn’t do anything it takes for a “W”.


"Learning"? That is what is getting lost in Club lacrosse. It's becoming more about the "W". Player development has taken a backseat.

Be wary of the clubs that preach "player development". They are the first ones that start flying in replacements when their player development curriculum doesn't equate to wins.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.


Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is


Had best talent for a B-more team and underachieved last year. Dreadful the prior two.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].


Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.


It’s calling out players to state a fact that teammate and opponents know? This is 8th grade. These kids have been lacrosse for 10 years now. Everyone knows who they are. The whole system is broken. It’s like the steroid era in baseball. Because of some that gain an advantage, all are accused.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/08/18 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].


Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.


It’s calling out players to state a fact that teammate and opponents know? This is 8th grade. These kids have been lacrosse for 10 years now. The whole system is broken. It’s like the steroid era in baseball. Because of some that gain an advantage, all are accused.


Doesn’t mean you come on a public forum and call out two players by position. donk move no matter how you spin it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/09/18 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny thing about the hold back - reclass issue is that the parents who get the most bent out of shape about this are NOT the parents of the kids who play these teams. It is mostly the parents of the kids who are on these teams. Parents really have little way of knowing which kid is older unless they are on the same team. However, if your kid is not able to get on the field because he has to compete for playing time with an older kids that is what causes stress for the parents. In addition, the holdback teams also tend to bring in guests who are older and do not know the team or the offensive scheme. The guest players are bigger and stronger and run through defenses to score while ignoring the loyal on age kid's parents who are screaming on the sideline, "he is wide open."


Exactly right. Well said.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/09/18 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].


Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.


It’s calling out players to state a fact that teammate and opponents know? This is 8th grade. These kids have been lacrosse for 10 years now. The whole system is broken. It’s like the steroid era in baseball. Because of some that gain an advantage, all are accused.


Doesn’t mean you come on a public forum and call out two players by position. donk move no matter how you spin it.


You parents are the biggest hypocrites. Give your kids unfair advantage, come in here and say on age kids should hit the wall, then complain when someone points out by referring to a position that has 5-6 kids, Ok. Just know that parents and players talk about you on the sidelines.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/09/18 04:05 PM

One thing I find funny is in the showcase high school age tournaments the waivers ask for age of player. But the college coaches print outs and folders never put the kids age. Only Name, Email, School and college if they have one. So what does this tell us. They do not care at all who is older or younger they only care how this kid in front of them plays with these kids starting college the same year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/10/18 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
One thing I find funny is in the showcase high school age tournaments the waivers ask for age of player. But the college coaches print outs and folders never put the kids age. Only Name, Email, School and college if they have one. So what does this tell us. They do not care at all who is older or younger they only care how this kid in front of them plays with these kids starting college the same year.


Complete garbage. I actually heard a D1 Coach talking about how old a kid was in relation to others. He was actually laughing about it to another coach. Not sure how many do it. But some do
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/10/18 11:31 PM

I watched McDonough's free clinic today. Bunch of kids from Crabs, Looneys and 91, along with a few from other teams. There were about 4-5 Crabs attack and middies who were huge. Not saying they are all holdbacks (my kid is pretty big and the "right" age) and some of them need to work on their stick skills, but putting that kind of size and speed on the same team is going to cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

And, it was funny to hear a 91 parent confident about their chances in the Elite division because of their star holdback. smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/11/18 04:24 PM

91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/11/18 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched McDonough's free clinic today. Bunch of kids from Crabs, Looneys and 91, along with a few from other teams. There were about 4-5 Crabs attack and middies who were huge. Not saying they are all holdbacks (my kid is pretty big and the "right" age) and some of them need to work on their stick skills, but putting that kind of size and speed on the same team is going to cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

And, it was funny to hear a 91 parent confident about their chances in the Elite division because of their star holdback. smile


Any hawks or dc dogs out there?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/12/18 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any hawks or dc dogs out there?



Some Hawks. Not sure about DC Dogs. Was mostly going by helmets because kids were wearing random pinnies and DC Dogs helmets don't really jump out to me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I watched McDonough's free clinic today. Bunch of kids from Crabs, Looneys and 91, along with a few from other teams. There were about 4-5 Crabs attack and middies who were huge. Not saying they are all holdbacks (my kid is pretty big and the "right" age) and some of them need to work on their stick skills, but putting that kind of size and speed on the same team is going to cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

And, it was funny to hear a 91 parent confident about their chances in the Elite division because of their star holdback. smile


Any hawks or dc dogs out there?


Pretty sure Dogs were playing a tournament. In 2022 division.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.


Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 01:52 PM

SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN, If you play elite expect half the kids are hold backs. In 8th grade expect 60-70 of kids are hold backs. play AA or A and enjoy watching your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 01:53 PM

they should 80 percent are hold backs...fact
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 02:46 PM

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 05:26 PM

Thanks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.


Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent


Are you serious with this? Jealous of what? Playing for a team that cannot win elite division games? That would be embarrassing to claim to be elite but get blasted every game. And coached by top talent? Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.


Don't you guys ever get tired of this conversation? Got anything else?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 06:19 PM

There does not appear to be anything wrong with previous point and I must agree, keep the players loving a great game. But your reply sounds exactly what I would expect from a club leader.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN, If you play elite expect half the kids are hold backs. In 8th grade expect 60-70 of kids are hold backs. play AA or A and enjoy watching your kid.

What would the 2023 rankings look like if the age cut-off was 9-30-2004? What if it was 1-1-2005? 98% of kids in 8th grade fall into this range. Tell me again why the system is NOT broken?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.


Don't you guys ever get tired of this conversation? Got anything else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.



Honestly youth soccer is a far bigger business and they addressed a few years back. Difference with Lax is the people making the rules are the same ones making the money. Lax has no real National or international oversite willing to dictate whats best for the game. Don’t be fooled LAX is a minor sport in this country, outside a few markets it’s not even offered as a sport to the youth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/13/18 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN, If you play elite expect half the kids are hold backs. In 8th grade expect 60-70 of kids are hold backs. play AA or A and enjoy watching your kid.

What would the 2023 rankings look like if the age cut-off was 9-30-2004? What if it was 1-1-2005? 98% of kids in 8th grade fall into this range. Tell me again why the system is NOT broken?


It would not be 2023 rankings, it would be U14 or 2005. Currently the system is grade based, so it is not broken,

What is broken is parent's believing that their child is getting better by holding back a year and playing against younger players. What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9.


Pretty sure he will be coaching 2023. Can't imagine him letting anyone else do it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?


Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now. smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?


Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now. smile


Thats funny...Being on age and playing up at correct grade ! Sad but true with modern lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.


Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent


Are you serious with this? Jealous of what? Playing for a team that cannot win elite division games? That would be embarrassing to claim to be elite but get blasted every game. And coached by top talent? Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9, .


You obviously dont know .. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 12:24 PM

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?


Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now. smile


This forum needs a like button.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.


Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent


Are you serious with this? Jealous of what? Playing for a team that cannot win elite division games? That would be embarrassing to claim to be elite but get blasted every game. And coached by top talent? Do you know who coaches the team?


You obviously dont know. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.


Then he should have committed to it for the full year and advertised it before tryouts. He would have drawn better talent and overhauled the team. The current coaches and their buddy dads would be in search a new team in a different division.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.


This is the 2023 forum.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You obviously dont know . He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.


I assumed so as well until this morning when I got an email:

"Team 91 MD 2022 FIRE is looking for one elite midfielder to finalize its roster for summer 2019"

The email says: "The roster is loaded with future D1 candidates and is led by National HOFer and MLL mvp Mark Millon, NCAA recorder holder Austin Stewart, and head coach at Elizabethtown College Chris Perzinski."

Is the email simply being deceptive about the 22 team being "led" by MM, but he'll actually be the coach of 23?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.


This is the 2023 forum.

Yes, this is the 2023 forum but many of the kids on the Elite teams grew up with the kids on the 2022 teams and were in the same grade so the parents still care and follow these teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

Not a chance
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.


Please enlighten us to which 2022 elite team has zero holdbacks.

Not:
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
DC Express
Koopers/Dukes (Slainte)
Roughriders
Team 91
Diamondbacks
Madlax

Pretty sure that's everyone
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You obviously dont know .. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.


I assumed so as well until this morning when I got an email:

"Team 91 MD 2022 FIRE is looking for one elite midfielder to finalize its roster for summer 2019"

The email says: "The roster is loaded with future D1 candidates and is led by National HOFer and MLL mvp Mark Millon, NCAA recorder holder Austin Stewart, and head coach at Elizabethtown College Chris Perzinski."

Is the email simply being deceptive about the 22 team being "led" by MM, but he'll actually be the coach of 23?


MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.


This is the 2023 forum.

Yes, this is the 2023 forum but many of the kids on the Elite teams grew up with the kids on the 2022 teams and were in the same grade so the parents still care and follow these teams.


You sound like such a hammerhead
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams BECAUSE his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams BECAUSE his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.


You clowns don’t get it. His son is an excellent player whose parents are both HoF. M is a winner and built 2022. That team needs an overhaul. School is a different story. He is not in HS yet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Maybe he does not want to coach the 23 team. It would be tough coaching an "Elite" team that has not won a game v. any other Elite team in two years...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.


Guess we'll see? Fall season is almost over. There doesn't need to be word. MM is still coaching 2022 and 2024. Why is there speculation?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You obviously dont know #9.. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.


I assumed so as well until this morning when I got an email:

"Team 91 MD 2022 FIRE is looking for one elite midfielder to finalize its roster for summer 2019"

The email says: "The roster is loaded with future D1 candidates and is led by National HOFer and MLL mvp Mark Millon, NCAA recorder holder Austin Stewart, and head coach at Elizabethtown College Chris Perzinski."

So is the son playing 23, 22, or both? Or is the email simply being deceptive about the 22 team being "led" by Millon, but he'll actually be the coach of 23.

Player development, player development, player development = mass email looking for an elite middie from anywhere to join the team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/14/18 09:48 PM

Since he’s repeating 8th grade, he’ll have to play 2023 for the spring season and then rejoin his 2022 team for the summer after they finish their HS season. If the 2023 team had more complimentary players to his son, I’m sure MM would make the move down... but his son will look better playing with better players in bigger tournaments (and then the perception will be that he’s playing up).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.


Prep year?? .

Holdbacks- This is the world of modern lacrosse .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/15/18 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.


Prep year??

Holbacks - This is the world of modern lacrosse .

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/18/18 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.


Prep year??

Holbacks - This is the world of modern lacrosse .

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.


Be surprised to not see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach other coaches working with his kids .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.


Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.


Prep year??

Holbacks - This is the world of modern lacrosse .

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.


Be surprised to not see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach other coaches working with his kids .


Question is now that fall is over, what will Elite look like for the final spring season in HOCO? Has 91 done anything this fall to justify staying in the Elite Div? Crabs seemed to have stepped up and could now challenge Hawks-DCD, how many teams will be in the group? Are there any other fall surprises?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/20/18 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.


Be surprised to not see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach other coaches working with his kids .



This is funny. I LOL’d.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 05:22 PM

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 07:14 PM

Not surprising and a lit
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.


Not surprising and a little sad. Almost all of BLC's 2027's are born prior to 9/1/2008 and have at least 2 kids born in 2007. This makes them almost 2 years older than USL rules. But I suppose this just makes them a little older and bigger than the other teams in the DMV. As a pp said, it doesn't matter and the college coaches don't care so long as the kids they are getting are bigger and better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not surprising and a lit
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.


Not surprising and a little sad. Almost all of BLC's 2027's are born prior to 9/1/2008 and have at least 2 kids born in 2007. This makes them almost 2 years older than USL rules. But I suppose this just makes them a little older and bigger than the other teams in the DMV. As a pp said, it doesn't matter and the college coaches don't care so long as the kids they are getting are bigger and better.

Thank you for posting this. Its not a Madlax or any other club issue. Its a DMV private school issue. They all start at 6 no matter the birthday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not surprising and a lit
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.


This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.


Not surprising and a little sad. Almost all of BLC's 2027's are born prior to 9/1/2008 and have at least 2 kids born in 2007. This makes them almost 2 years older than USL rules. But I suppose this just makes them a little older and bigger than the other teams in the DMV. As a pp said, it doesn't matter and the college coaches don't care so long as the kids they are getting are bigger and better.

Thank you for posting this. Its not a Madlax or any other club issue. Its a DMV private school issue. They all start at 6 no matter the birthday.


What does DMV stand for?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 08:26 PM

You are confusing DC with Baltimore. In DC, all kindergartners at 5, not 6.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 08:43 PM

Madlax just had a huge start on it since they've been around for awhile and picked up on it early. BLC used to be purely recreational but have become much more serious in travel. NL became more focused on travel when the Mitchell's took over and their popularity has translated into attracting better players who are most likely older.

It's also not limited to private school. If a public parent starts his kid late to first grade, as in the case of summer birthdays, The kid stays in that grade and there are plenty of those examples on the club and high school teams. This is why 19 years old publics can play high school sports. The problem comes when those older kids are then moved to private and held back. Then they become almost 2 years older than USL rules allow.

I thought I saw somewhere where USL caved a little and are allowing 5 exceptions per team for their sanctioned tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/27/18 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are confusing DC with Baltimore. In DC, all kindergartners at 5, not 6.


Incorrect. DC private’s start at 6.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all


Please....... This is modern Lacrosse where playing down is the norm.. 15 is only One to Two years over.. Tell your son to hit the wall and playing against older players will make him better,
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.


C'mon Mom, this means those 2 young men are 22 months OLDER than the youngest age eligible kids and 10 months OLDER than the oldest kids on a USL sanctioned tournament team. This is why they don't play USL sanctioned tournaments. But that strategy does pay off in the long run if the kids are half way decent and follow through on playing well while at the high school age. Yes, keep telling yourself the other kids could be as good as yours so long as they hustle and eat their veggies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax just had a huge start on it since they've been around for awhile and picked up on it early. BLC used to be purely recreational but have become much more serious in travel. NL became more focused on travel when the Mitchell's took over and their popularity has translated into attracting better players who are most likely older.

It's also not limited to private school. If a public parent starts his kid late to first grade, as in the case of summer birthdays, The kid stays in that grade and there are plenty of those examples on the club and high school teams. This is why 19 years old publics can play high school sports. The problem comes when those older kids are then moved to private and held back. Then they become almost 2 years older than USL rules allow.

I thought I saw somewhere where USL caved a little and are allowing 5 exceptions per team for their sanctioned tournaments.


Only for Nationals. ML still couldn't qualify a team.

AGE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE 2019 NATIONALS
The 2019 Age Exception Policy is as follows: a team competing at the 2019 US Lacrosse Nationals may field up to five players who do not comply with the birthdate guidelines above (Section 4 and 5 above), provided i) that the players meet the previously stated club participation requirement, ii) that those players were born not more than six months earlier than the birthdate cutoff for their division, and iii) that the player is in the scholastic grade that corresponds to their respective division. The corresponding grade for each division is:

13U, 2018-19 SCHOOL YEAR GRADE SEVEN
14U, 2018-19 SCHOOL YEAR GRADE EIGHT
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all


My kid is 13 and will be 13 thru this summer playing 2023.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please....... This is modern Lacrosse where playing down is the norm.. 15 is only One to Two years over.. Tell your son to hit the wall and playing against older players will make him better,


Tell your son to hit the books. Studying will make him a better student so he doesn't have to be held back. :)>

But seriously, while "playing up" (ie, playing in the correct year for your age) may make some kids better, it also means a lot of kids who have potential will get frustrated and give up on the sport. There is a reason basically every sport at every level of youth competition divides kids by age. Club Lacrosse is one of the only exceptions and it should really change.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 03:31 PM

Tired of reading all the holdback BS. Did some research for VA public schools. In the Commonwealth of Virginia, public school students can participate in HS sports as long as they are not 19 when they enter their senior year. A student can turn 19 during their senior year, he/she just can't be 19 on Sep 1 (or whatever the start date is). Thus, with respect to the Class of 2023, any student with a birthdate of 9/1/2003 or later can play HS sports in VA. I could not find a rule for the private school leagues but suspect it would be the same or allow even older players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all


My kid is 13 and will be 13 thru this summer playing 2023.


What team does he play for?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.




Quoted from the MD DMV website:
"Before starting the driving portion of your driver's education course, you need to get a learner's permit first. You must be at least 15 years and 9 months old to apply for your permit."

So however you want to look at it (presently 15 years and 9/10/11 months old or 16 years old), they will be 16 before the first HoCo face-off, when most boys will be 13 or 14. Absolute joke!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 06:52 PM

Just like on the lacrosse field, I bet the 2023 Hawks dominate the DC Dogs on the MVA Driving test
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!


Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all


My kid is 13 and will be 13 thru this summer playing 2023.


What team does he play for?


Not a MD team obviously, I'm just putting out an age prospective, he's a June 2005 birthday. Probably should have had him do preK, but he's at public school. He would not be considered elite, but holds his own against the bigger kids in AA/Elite. He'll be better off as a player in the long run, but being in the same graduating class as kids 2 years (and sounds like 3 in some cases) older can have it's challenges.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 10:54 PM

Have HoCo divisions been set?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/28/18 11:49 PM

HoCo registration doesn't close until late January
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 03:35 AM

Any goalies out there looking to play indoor this winter starting next weekend? The CHILL league on Kent Island could use a few.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tired of reading all the holdback BS. Did some research for VA public schools. In the Commonwealth of Virginia, public school students can participate in HS sports as long as they are not 19 when they enter their senior year. A student can turn 19 during their senior year, he/she just can't be 19 on Sep 1 (or whatever the start date is). Thus, with respect to the Class of 2023, any student with a birthdate of 9/1/2003 or later can play HS sports in VA. I could not find a rule for the private school leagues but suspect it would be the same or allow even older players.


I am tired of all this holdback jealously too. As long as it is in the rules , stop moaning. Tell your boy to hit the wall.
If he plays against my son he will get better. One to two years older isnt that much. So much moaning about playing against older players. Why? Lacrosse is the only sport that gets it right with grade based teams, all the rest with their age based teams are so behind
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 01:48 PM

You're sooooooooo wrong. Its a huge advantage and don't give me your BS about HS. Its youth lacrosse. the reason they had U9 U11 U13 is they didn't have enough players for single year teams. They do now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am tired of all this holdback jealously too. As long as it is in the rules , stop moaning. Tell your boy to hit the wall.
If he plays against my son he will get better. One to two years older isnt that much. So much moaning about playing against older players. Why? Lacrosse is the only sport that gets it right with grade based teams, all the rest with their age based teams are so behind


So by your own admission, you are impeding your son's development by having him play against younger kids. He should, you say, be playing up a year (or at least "on age") so he will get better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 11/29/18 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am tired of all this holdback jealously too. As long as it is in the rules , stop moaning. Tell your boy to hit the wall.
If he plays against my son he will get better. One to two years older isnt that much. So much moaning about playing against older players. Why? Lacrosse is the only sport that gets it right with grade based teams, all the rest with their age based teams are so behind


So by your own admission, you are impeding your son's development by having him play against younger kids. He should, you say, be playing up a year (or at least "on age") so he will get better.


No, I am one of those do as i say,,,not as I do..Hard to compete against older players in youth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/07/18 02:23 PM

Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/07/18 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

Probably not until a few weeks prior. They are still taking registrations. There will not be much changing as this is the last season for this age group. Elite will be same, AA Breakers will move up ML Capital is out DC D takes over for Club Blue and will play Hawks in final after a complaint filled cheating ref game over Crabs with holdbacks. 91 gets first ever win over DCE. FCA and Looney's tie twice, and a few dozen post are made about kids driving themselves home from games. In addition, there will be a few more telling us we are notIntelligent for caring as in HS it does not matter.
That about sum it up for you?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/07/18 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

mid march
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/07/18 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

Probably not until a few weeks prior. They are still taking registrations. There will not be much changing as this is the last season for this age group. Elite will be same, AA Breakers will move up ML Capital is out DC D takes over for Club Blue and will play Hawks in final after a complaint filled cheating ref game over Crabs with holdbacks. 91 gets first ever win over DCE. FCA and Looney's tie twice, and a few dozen post are made about kids driving themselves home from games. In addition, there will be a few more telling us we are notIntelligent for caring as in HS it does not matter.
That about sum it up for you?


One more Grasshopper. Two years from now you will be a wiser person. Enjoy the moment.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/07/18 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

Probably not until a few weeks prior. They are still taking registrations. There will not be much changing as this is the last season for this age group. Elite will be same, AA Breakers will move up ML Capital is out DC D takes over for Club Blue and will play Hawks in final after a complaint filled cheating ref game over Crabs with holdbacks. 91 gets first ever win over DCE. FCA and Looney's tie twice, and a few dozen post are made about kids driving themselves home from games. In addition, there will be a few more telling us we are notIntelligent for caring as in HS it does not matter.
That about sum it up for you?

Mark Millon will make a cameo on the sidelines and get kicked out of another game, making him the first coach to ever be kicked out of games in 3 age groups. 91 will shift their Southwest account over to the 2023s since the high school kids don't have spring games to fly out to anymore. Hawks will drop 2 games in the league and BOTC observers will call out the brutal zone defense that led to the disastrous 2 loss season. DC Dogs will underachieve despite losing in the finals because they have a few more holdbacks than McClernan's Crabs. The winners will update us with in and post-season rankings and the losers will say it is all about preparing the kids for high school. The suckers will send their kids to Maverik Showtime where no one will watch them and the dreamers will send their kids to UA Underclass Tryouts where they can compete against 2022s that should be 2021s. Parents will post photos of junior on facebook where they'll get plenty of likes, but no one really cares. Parents will stroke checks to the private schools and tell their cronies their kids were recruited. Tourneys will go deeper into July and tryouts will be right on their heels. High school sports will start immediately following and just like that, youth sports is done. Enjoy the ride.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/08/18 01:02 AM

Ok that’s funny. And sadly, pretty accurate. Probably missing some Spalding and other obscure AA county references, but then, do we really miss them?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/19/18 12:01 AM

Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/19/18 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok that’s funny. And sadly, pretty accurate. Probably missing some Spalding and other obscure AA county references, but then, do we really miss them?


You seem to be joking but know this: The ripple effects of the #SpaldingTakeover will also rock the '23 age level. The impact will likely be felt on a national level. At this point the only thing that could potentially dampen it is if the PLL begins tampering with the young stars (a scenario I am legitimately concerned about occurring).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/19/18 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?

What is RR 2023?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/19/18 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?

My son said a group of his friends who are pretty solid were talking about it depending on when their summer schedules get firmed up. They saw the Dukes make it to the final TV game and think they can get enough good kids to do the same.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/19/18 04:25 PM

https://www.facebook.com/MDRoughriders/photos/a.251306161652723/1859177444198912/?type=3&theater
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/20/18 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?

My son said a group of his friends who are pretty solid were talking about it depending on when their summer schedules get firmed up. They saw the Dukes make it to the final TV game and think they can get enough good kids to do the same.


Let me get this straight. For two consecutive years RR could not field a 2023 team. Now they somehow will draw enough kids to compete with Dukes?! Where will RR draw these unicorns from?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/20/18 09:10 PM

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/21/18 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/21/18 02:44 AM

Assume so since his son will be in it for spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/21/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/21/18 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?


Gots to play better peeps to get better
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/22/18 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/23/18 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


Then you run into the problem of scheduling. A 6 team results in either an unbalanced schedule or a 12 or more week schedule. In a 10, the teams aren't deep enough and the competition would be really lopsided.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/23/18 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/23/18 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

First VLC not listed because they are part of Crabs. Second they already beat 91md.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/23/18 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

First VLC not listed because they are part of Crabs. Second they already beat 91md.

Wrong. VLC is listed as #138. This "91MD shouldn't be elite" comes up every month and always results in same stunad saying VLC should be there. Makes you wonder if the whole thread's intent is for VLC Dad to make this irrational point. Though VLC is not a Crabs B team, they might as well be. Crabs 2023 would easily beat VLC 2023, even if their top players were missing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/24/18 01:42 PM

You are actually citing that bogus usclublax ranking which is based on nothing? My son doesn't play for VLC but i saw them last fall at a Madlax tournament where they easily beat Team91 by more than 5 goals. They've added some guys and are more deserving than 91.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/24/18 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

It is a fun idea to try to create a ranking of teams but any poster on this website could do a better job. Half the teams in the HOCO elite division are not even listed here. They get other regions wrong as well like the Philly suburbs. This is more like a random listing of teams at this age group.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/24/18 06:00 PM


Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html[/quote]
First VLC not listed because they are part of Crabs. Second they already beat 91md. [/quote]
Wrong. VLC is listed as #138. This "91MD shouldn't be elite" comes up every month and always results in same stunad saying VLC should be there. Makes you wonder if the whole thread's intent is for VLC Dad to make this irrational point. Though VLC is not a Crabs B team, they might as well be. Crabs 2023 would easily beat VLC 2023, even if their top players were missing.[/quote]
While I am sure some of these comments may be from a VLC dad, it is logical to compare these two teams only because one is Elite and has not won in two years and the other won the next division down last season. The issue is that some do not feel 91MD should be in the division. However a seven team division does not work. It does not matter anyway as the people making the decision do not care what is posted here. I do not think the whole question is some massive agenda simply based on records. My son plays for a team in the Elite group not listed in the ranking.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/26/18 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html



You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/28/18 02:37 PM

Does anyone have any idea which 23 teams at the 'elite' level made a jump up to improve and which may have taken a step back? I heard Crabs reloaded after an awful 2018. Anyone else?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/28/18 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.


VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html



You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.

Interesting idea. I do not think that the 91 director will allow this. I have no idea if VLC even wants to move up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/28/18 09:47 PM


You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.[/quote]
Interesting idea. I do not think that the 91 director will allow this. I have no idea if VLC even wants to move up.[/quote]

A South River parent told me they were planning to move up. Would think VLC would want to play higher competition in advance of high school. HS club tournaments generally don't have multiple levels of competition. Cavalier and Cannons might want to as well. A 10 or 12 team league could work for all. You could give top teams hardest schedule and moving up teams easiest -- like NFL does.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 12/31/18 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.

Interesting idea. I do not think that the 91 director will allow this. I have no idea if VLC even wants to move up.[/quote]

A South River parent told me they were planning to move up. Would think VLC would want to play higher competition in advance of high school. HS club tournaments generally don't have multiple levels of competition. Cavalier and Cannons might want to as well. A 10 or 12 team league could work for all. You could give top teams hardest schedule and moving up teams easiest -- like NFL does.[/quote]

The Elite div will be the same as last season:
1. There is a competition committee that reviews and makes schedules and sets the divisions
2. They are not reading the previous comments.

12 Teams is too many for an ELITE division.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/02/19 07:40 PM

What division do the Crabs play in?
Their 2023 team is AA but add the 2022 RoughRiders that are now 2023 Crabs and they are the top elite team. Just asking for a friend. (Hogans and Loonies may also be part of this argument)
Put everyone in 2023 that has one holdback or pre-first in Elite than call it a day (look at birth year). If the elite team has anyone playing up they cancel out the pre-first/holdback.
Let the real 8th graders fight it out in AA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/02/19 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What division do the Crabs play in?
Their 2023 team is AA but add the 2022 RoughRiders that are now 2023 Crabs and they are the top elite team. Just asking for a friend. (Hogans and Loonies may also be part of this argument)
Put everyone in 2023 that has one holdback or pre-first in Elite than call it a day (look at birth year). If the elite team has anyone playing up they cancel out the pre-first/holdback.
Let the real 8th graders fight it out in AA.

In other words nothing will change. The 2023 Crabs were already top3 in Elite. Hawks Looney FCA DCE NL and DC Dogs are also Elite. Argument was T91 but they will also have players with DOB prior to 9/30/2004. Most maybe all of the AA teams are true 8th graders so that is what will happen. Crabs and DC Dogs play in the final. MD 91 does not win a game despite the fact that director coaches secretly suits up in the final game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/05/19 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A South River parent told me they were planning to move up.


South River has been playing box down at Myers Pavillon this Winter. They have a solid team from what I've seen. Their entire offense does seem to rely on one kid though (he scored all but 1 or 2 of their goals in the game I watched).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/06/19 09:49 PM

When you go out to Cali and only put up two goals in the Championship game! Only 4 teams in a bracket and thousands of miles traveled to lose! Hey, a great time was had by all!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/06/19 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you go out to Cali and only put up two goals in the Championship game! Only 4 teams in a bracket and thousands of miles traveled to lose! Hey, a great time was had by all!


I didn’t think you were allowed to play for another team if you played for Crabs? I certainly didn’t think it was ok to miss practice and play for another team. That sounds fair! Stay Classy!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/07/19 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you go out to Cali and only put up two goals in the Championship game! Only 4 teams in a bracket and thousands of miles traveled to lose! Hey, a great time was had by all!


I didn’t think you were allowed to play for another team if you played for Crabs? I certainly didn’t think it was ok to miss practice and play for another team. That sounds fair! Stay Classy!


If your you boys didn't get an invite, the same program is sending an East Coast team out west to Sandstorm in mid-January. Reach out to their NJ director, they would welcome a few ringers. Minimum of 5 games in Palm Springs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 12:08 AM

Several 91MD 2022's are now on the 2023 team. A couple played up at 2022 for years and MM's son needed an extra year to mature and make sure he was ready for High School Lacrosse smirk They will be much improved with these players, but feel very, very sorry for all the others on that team who have not been coached by Millon before. Their enjoyment for lacrosse is going to suffer for the next 2 years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 01:02 AM

One kid moved to 91MD 2023 from 2022.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 04:59 AM

Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.


The best tournament is always and will always be a moving target. These clubs all have back door deals they are working with. This is once again why it is always a safer bet to play for a year in year out elite club and a club with history or being elite.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
One kid moved to 91MD 2023 from 2022.


Thanks Mark ! I know he is the only one that counts but there is more players on the team than your son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.


That is only for the 2023. It is strong in other age groups. Last year it was not as strong at 2022 but strong for 2023 and below. Next year it will be weaker at 2024. The rising 9th grade teams move to Crabfeast also run by the same group
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.



It was very good last year for 2023, but doesn't crab feast take over as the teams get older?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 04:10 PM

The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.

This is a very dumb statement. The coaches follow the best players, The best players play for the best clubs. So if the best clubs are not at a tournament then the coaches will not be there. So lets go back to facts we all know the best 15 clubs give or take. If the tournament does not have 50% or more of the 15 top clubs playing in said tournament. There will not be a lot of coaches in attendance. Only exception would be a West coast or Texas tournament the coaches show up for a vacation and to find the hidden gym.
Also side note if your son is being recruited for real, the coaches from the schools that like him will come see him play in the back yard if they like him enough. Also big thing young parents need to learn is these coaches hit more then one tournament a day and 3 to 5 over a weekend. They feel if they see your son play 5 to 15 min. of lacrosse they see what they need to see. So back to my point above they make sure they hit these top 15 clubs every weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.

This is a very dumb statement. The coaches follow the best players, The best players play for the best clubs. So if the best clubs are not at a tournament then the coaches will not be there. So lets go back to facts we all know the best 15 clubs give or take. If the tournament does not have 50% or more of the 15 top clubs playing in said tournament. There will not be a lot of coaches in attendance. Only exception would be a West coast or Texas tournament the coaches show up for a vacation and to find the hidden gym.
Also side note if your son is being recruited for real, the coaches from the schools that like him will come see him play in the back yard if they like him enough. Also big thing young parents need to learn is these coaches hit more then one tournament a day and 3 to 5 over a weekend. They feel if they see your son play 5 to 15 min. of lacrosse they see what they need to see. So back to my point above they make sure they hit these top 15 clubs every weekend.

The first post is not a dumb statement as it states pretty much the same thing as your post. The post references Crab Feast which will have 50% of the top 15 every year. The point is that is does not matter if it is Crab Feast, Naptown, Millon event of whatever, the most important factor is the coaches in attendance. Coaches do not have time to go to HS games and do not go visit a an unknown kid in his yard. That is why as they get older, more kids "guest" play to match a tournament with a school they are interested in. You are correct that it may only need to be 10-15 min. Parents should ask coaches what events they will be attending and try to be at those events v. worry what other clubs will be there. It does help to play for a national or known program. More chances to hit more tournaments that a coach may be attending.
Also, I was not aware that TX was a place to go to get a secret workout at a hidden GYM??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/09/19 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.

This is a very dumb statement. The coaches follow the best players, The best players play for the best clubs. So if the best clubs are not at a tournament then the coaches will not be there. So lets go back to facts we all know the best 15 clubs give or take. If the tournament does not have 50% or more of the 15 top clubs playing in said tournament. There will not be a lot of coaches in attendance. Only exception would be a West coast or Texas tournament the coaches show up for a vacation and to find the hidden gym.
Also side note if your son is being recruited for real, the coaches from the schools that like him will come see him play in the back yard if they like him enough. Also big thing young parents need to learn is these coaches hit more then one tournament a day and 3 to 5 over a weekend. They feel if they see your son play 5 to 15 min. of lacrosse they see what they need to see. So back to my point above they make sure they hit these top 15 clubs every weekend.

The first post is not a dumb statement as it states pretty much the same thing as your post. The post references Crab Feast which will have 50% of the top 15 every year. The point is that is does not matter if it is Crab Feast, Naptown, Millon event of whatever, the most important factor is the coaches in attendance. Coaches do not have time to go to HS games and do not go visit a an unknown kid in his yard. That is why as they get older, more kids "guest" play to match a tournament with a school they are interested in. You are correct that it may only need to be 10-15 min. Parents should ask coaches what events they will be attending and try to be at those events v. worry what other clubs will be there. It does help to play for a national or known program. More chances to hit more tournaments that a coach may be attending.
Also, I was not aware that TX was a place to go to get a secret workout at a hidden GYM??

I have boys in the class of 2022 and 2023. Both are on top 10 teams in the country, give or take a few spots. Exactly zero college coaches watched 2022 games last summer. The summer of 2021 will be when it counts for this group.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/21/19 08:56 PM

Got word from a friend of a friend's 14 year old nosy neighbor who has an uncle that works for Howard Co. Parks and Rec and according to his assistant's boss's coworker, there are fewer teams registered this year at 2023. Looks like a good 30% fewer teams as registration is closing. Are more teams choosing to play in HOCO league?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/21/19 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Got word from a friend of a friend's 14 year old nosy neighbor who has an uncle that works for Howard Co. Parks and Rec and according to his assistant's boss's coworker, there are fewer teams registered this year at 2023. Looks like a good 30% fewer teams as registration is closing. Are more teams choosing to play in HOCO league?


As opposed to what, rec league play?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 12:18 PM

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!


Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 04:15 PM

Fake news
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!


Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news



True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!


Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news



True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys


Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 09:15 PM

Fake news. There are no 16 year olds in 8th grade playing lacrosse at Madlax. This means they would be 20 years old entering their senior year of high school and ineligible to play any sports, club included. Unless you are saying parents and the club are actively promoting the use of 2022's to play in tournaments. Hmmm. Maybe on that one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!


Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news



True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys


Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game


i'll bite. what happened? Link?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/22/19 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!


Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news



True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys


Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game



Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/23/19 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!


Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news



True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys


Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game



Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.


https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/23/19 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game


Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.


https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09



The stick swinger looks like the biggest kid out there. He is at least 6-10 inches bigger than the kid he is hitting with his stick.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/23/19 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game


Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.


https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09



The stick swinger looks like the biggest kid out there. He is at least 6-10 inches bigger than the kid he is hitting with his stick.


There were quite a few big boys on the west coast teams, it truly is the wild west out there with kids playing down. I think a lot has to do with west coast teams trying to run with the more talented East coast teams. That being said, completely awesome tournament, venue is ridiculous, blows away Denver
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/23/19 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news. There are no 16 year olds in 8th grade playing lacrosse at Madlax. This means they would be 20 years old entering their senior year of high school and ineligible to play any sports, club included. Unless you are saying parents and the club are actively promoting the use of 2022's to play in tournaments. Hmmm. Maybe on that one.



Actually it is true as in the fall 2 got their learners permits and another turns 16 in Feb. you have to be 15 years and 9 months in MD to get a permit. So yes maybe 1 of them has his birthday tomorrow so he is not 16, but by the time HOCO starts there will be 3. That is REAL NEWS!!!

Forget what happens Sr year in HS, you can play club and that's all that really matters
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/23/19 10:59 PM

Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/23/19 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game


Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.


https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09



The stick swinger looks like the biggest kid out there. He is at least 6-10 inches bigger than the kid he is hitting with his stick.


There were quite a few big boys on the west coast teams, it truly is the wild west out there with kids playing down. I think a lot has to do with west coast teams trying to run with the more talented East coast teams. That being said, completely awesome tournament, venue is ridiculous, blows away Denver


Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/24/19 03:52 AM

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/24/19 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?


Heard he was expelled from IMG
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/24/19 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.



HOCO knows its true. The registration form has their birth date. If you were really a coach you would know that. We are talking about kids so you will never get me to lower myself to the level of identifying them .... But if you are a so called coach you know the team (previously named Club Blue 2023), ask HOCO to look at the registration froms 2 or 3 years ago to verify their ages.

But the simplest thing is to ask your son how old they are.... if he does not know them personally, I am pretty sure he can find out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.



HOCO knows its true. The registration form has their birth date. If you were really a coach you would know that. We are talking about kids so you will never get me to lower myself to the level of identifying them .... But if you are a so called coach you know the team (previously named Club Blue 2023), ask HOCO to look at the registration froms 2 or 3 years ago to verify their ages.

But the simplest thing is to ask your son how old they are.... if he does not know them personally, I am pretty sure he can find out.


You are correct and it is true. There are a number of teams in the elite division with young men who will not be eligible to participate in athletics in their senior year of high school. I'm not sure the parents realize or care or if it will be enforced when they get that far but it is truly a bad situation for HoCo. Not all of the teams have double holdbacks but most do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.


I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.


I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.


Nope played for KC BLUE LION LACROSSE. Team didn't win a game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/25/19 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.


I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.


He was playing for True Illinois, the clip is from True v. Texas Mustangs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.



HOCO knows its true. The registration form has their birth date. If you were really a coach you would know that. We are talking about kids so you will never get me to lower myself to the level of identifying them .... But if you are a so called coach you know the team (previously named Club Blue 2023), ask HOCO to look at the registration froms 2 or 3 years ago to verify their ages.

But the simplest thing is to ask your son how old they are.... if he does not know them personally, I am pretty sure he can find out.


You are correct and it is true. There are a number of teams in the elite division with young men who will not be eligible to participate in athletics in their senior year of high school. I'm not sure the parents realize or care or if it will be enforced when they get that far but it is truly a bad situation for HoCo. Not all of the teams have double holdbacks but most do.


I don’t understand. We all pay a boat load of money to these clubs for one reason and one reason only. It isn’t because we want these clubs to win more games so they can maximize profits for the club. That’s the goal of the clubs. Our goal is to get our kids better and maximize their potential. Yet so many kids play down against younger, smaller and inferior competition, than if they played at the level they are suppose to. Somebody please explain to me how that is what is in the best interest of the development of the player. I can see how it would obviously be in the best interest of the club, but common sense says the opposite is true for the child. Then why do so many parents do this to their children? People, you are lining the pockets of these club owners, helping them to win games, while you stunt the development of your children and give him a false sense of accomplishment. What’s going to happen in HS when his size is no longer his sole advantage? In fact, by then his lack of size, combined with years of stunted development, will serve him well in his new role on the team. Water boy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.


I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.


He was playing for True Illinois, the clip is from True v. Texas Mustangs


Not it's not. It happened the first day on field 58. True didn't play the Mustangs until Sunday at noon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/26/19 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


He was playing for True Illinois, the clip is from True v. Texas Mustangs


Not it's not. It happened the first day on field 58. True didn't play the Mustangs until Sunday at noon.


Uniform certainly doesn't look like the KC Blue Lions
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 01/27/19 05:32 AM

The clip is from the KC Blue Lions game. True and Mustangs played the second game on Sunday. There was a lot of chatter on every sideline about the incident. Very disgusting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/05/19 04:52 PM

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/12/19 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.




Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/12/19 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.




Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/13/19 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.




Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.


Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/14/19 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.





MD lacrosse at its best.. Top talent would be dismal without holdbacks/prefirsts/reclass..How did lacrosse get like this?? sad state for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/14/19 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.




Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.


Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold




what about A and B brackets any word? Thanks for sharing!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/14/19 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.




Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.


Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold




what about A and B brackets any word? Thanks for sharing!


2023 A
USS Destroyers
Next Level Red
Breakers
MDX - R
Koopers
Zingos
Thunder
Eastside Lacrosse
DC Express Orange
Cannons Blue

2023 B
Kelly Post
FLC (Fallston LC)
G
Zingos
True Maryland
Madlax DMV
HoCo
Team Maryland LC
Rockfish Neon
Bay Dogs
Green Hornets
PLC Black
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/14/19 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.




Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.


Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold




what about A and B brackets any word? Thanks for sharing!


2023 A
USS Destroyers
Next Level Red
Breakers
MDX - R
Koopers
Zingos
Thunder
Eastside Lacrosse
DC Express Orange
Cannons Blue

2023 B
Kelly Post
FLC (Fallston LC)
G
Zingos
True Maryland
Madlax DMV
HoCo
Team Maryland LC
Rockfish Neon
Bay Dogs
Green Hornets
PLC Black




Do you happen to have this info for 2026? I have a son in both age levels.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 12:36 PM

What high school are the top 23’s heading to?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 12:48 PM



[/quote]


Do you happen to have this info for 2026? I have a son in both age levels.[/quote]

2026 AA
Annapolis Hawks
Team 91
Arden Diamondbacks
FCA
Bethesda Blue
Crabs
VLC
Madlax Capital
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
Looney's Orange
2026 A
Next Level
Kelly Post
Dark Horse
SCYL (South Carroll)
HLC (Hereford LC)
FLC (Fallston LC)
Zingos
Eastside Lacrosse
Green Hornets
Roughriders
HoCo
Forest Hill Select
Bay Dogs
3D Maryland
3D Virginia
Sidewinders

2026 B
MLC (Maryland LC)
Breakers
Kelly Post
MDX - R
Koopers
Bethesda Orange
Coppermine
True Maryland
Cannons
Madlax DMV
Team Maryland LC
CLC (Catonsville)
Bel Air
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous





Do you happen to have this info for 2026? I have a son in both age levels.[/quote]

2026 AA
Annapolis Hawks
Team 91
Arden Diamondbacks
FCA
Bethesda Blue
Crabs
VLC
Madlax Capital
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
Looney's Orange
2026 A
Next Level
Kelly Post
Dark Horse
SCYL (South Carroll)
HLC (Hereford LC)
FLC (Fallston LC)
Zingos
Eastside Lacrosse
Green Hornets
Roughriders
HoCo
Forest Hill Select
Bay Dogs
3D Maryland
3D Virginia
Sidewinders

2026 B
MLC (Maryland LC)
Breakers
Kelly Post
MDX - R
Koopers
Bethesda Orange
Coppermine
True Maryland
Cannons
Madlax DMV
Team Maryland LC
CLC (Catonsville)
Bel Air

[/quote]
thanks!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.



What are the historical ties between clubs and certain HS?
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Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 05:21 PM

Many of those DC Dogs will follow similar paths of recent Mater Dei 8th grade wonders who matriculate to Prep--by the time they are juniors and ready to play varsity the size advantage they have by being older as 8th graders compared to their peers will be largely gone and they won't look like wonders anymore.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.



What are the historical ties between clubs and certain HS?


Good question. I would say that if more than 7-8 players from one Elite club move to the same HS it can be considered a tie to that club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/15/19 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.



What are the historical ties between clubs and certain HS?


Good question. I would say that if more than 7-8 players from one Elite club move to the same HS it can be considered a tie to that club.


but is it known that club X has ties to HS Y?

My oldest is only 11, just curious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/17/19 02:24 PM

Calvert Hall, Dematha, Saint Mary’s, Severn, Spalding, Saint Johns...just depends who has the best recruiting process. Tell the parents their freshman will be starting at varsity and take their 20k a year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/18/19 10:58 PM

How about FCA aligned with Calvert Hall via Bryan Kelly?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/19/19 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How about FCA aligned with Calvert Hall via Bryan Kelly?


Crabs 2020 has 13 kids committed from 9 different schools.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 12:59 AM

I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall



Spot on , look at location of clubs and it makes sense.. tho most teams have multiple schools represented.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall



Spot on , look at location of clubs and it makes sense.. tho most teams have multiple schools represented.


Madlax - Gonzaga, St. Stephen's, Episcopal
VLC - Paul VI
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall



Spot on , look at location of clubs and it makes sense.. tho most teams have multiple schools represented.


Madlax - Gonzaga, St. Stephen's, Episcopal
VLC - Paul VI


Dematha??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 07:16 PM

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.


Haha. Hopefully that is an exaggeration. I was 17 for a semester of college!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.

Zing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.


Funny when Baltimore prep school dads complain about older players... probably Crabs dads too.... it’s okay dad, jr can repeat 8th in addition to his pre-K year to catch up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/21/19 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.


Exactly. All the top 16 year olds at BL are on the Crabs 2024 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.


Exactly. All the top 16 year olds at BL are on the Crabs 2024 team.

OK that was funny.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 03:50 PM

MadLax will have 3 16 year olds too. I can't believe the other teams don't stand up to this unless they are hoping to have a bunch in the future too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 03:54 PM

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


23 Hawks have no kids even close to 16. A few close to 15 - no 15 year olds yet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

My son's birthday is Spring '05 and he will play in the HOCO elite Div. Yes there are some kids with DOB prior to 9/1/04 but many others after this. I have never asked a parent about a kids's DOB but have never heard of teams with 16 year olds other than on this website. There are well known 14 year old basketball players who are 6'3, 6'4 and size is not the only indicator. If you have first hand knowledge then you are a parent of or close friend of a 16 year old 8th grader and you are "outing" them here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 08:31 PM

almost every team in the elite division has at least one 16 year old? at the 2023 level? Puhlease. Not true. Don't dilute a legitimate discussion about holdbacks and their effect at the 8th grade level with baseless hypebole.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.



I believe we will see this situation move from theoretical to real at a certain boarding school out in Owings Mills in the next season or two. Will be interesting to see if / how it is enforced. Knowing what we know about the school it is safe to say that it is unlikely that the upcoming situation will be self-policed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.



My take is that these parents may say .....if you are playing varsity your Jr year you can be picked up, also by the time spring of Sr year comes around, if you do not get an offer, you are not getting an offer to a top 10 school, so you play club and go for the best offer available....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

My son's birthday is Spring '05 and he will play in the HOCO elite Div. Yes there are some kids with DOB prior to 9/1/04 but many others after this. I have never asked a parent about a kids's DOB but have never heard of teams with 16 year olds other than on this website. There are well known 14 year old basketball players who are 6'3, 6'4 and size is not the only indicator. If you have first hand knowledge then you are a parent of or close friend of a 16 year old 8th grader and you are "outing" them here.


Call HoCo and ask yourself. They don't give out specifics but they do confirm there are 16 year olds playing this year. There will be close to 10 in the league. They also confirm every roster in the division has a strong majority of kids born in 2004 and not 2005. They will also confirm almost every team has a majority of their roster born prior to 9/1. BTW - the majority of the Hawks have close to the entire team born in 2004 and more than half of those have summer birthdays.

The 19 year old sports eligibility rule is there but hardly ever enforced unless it involves a foreign born athlete where passports and citizenship become public.

HoCo shakes their head at it but are standing by it by saying the league is run by the teams and it is up to the clubs to regulate themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

My son's birthday is Spring '05 and he will play in the HOCO elite Div. Yes there are some kids with DOB prior to 9/1/04 but many others after this. I have never asked a parent about a kids's DOB but have never heard of teams with 16 year olds other than on this website. There are well known 14 year old basketball players who are 6'3, 6'4 and size is not the only indicator. If you have first hand knowledge then you are a parent of or close friend of a 16 year old 8th grader and you are "outing" them here.


What is the issue with outing a 16 year old playing in an 8th grade lacrosse league against 13 and 14 year olds? IMO, it's really about outing the rules and regulations the league has set up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.


My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 10:46 PM

410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

Let us know what they tell you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/22/19 10:52 PM

There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of those kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.


My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.


There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior to the 9/1 date. and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of these 7/8 kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade? HoCo doesn't deny it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/23/19 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

Let us know what they tell you.



Howard County Recreation Department will always be the leader in the Lacrosse Hall Of Shame world. About five years ago it was the match that light the fire in the world of holdback lacrosse. It gave holdbacks/prefirst/reclass an outlet to play down against younger players. Until then ALL YOUTH lacrosse was age based.

Its managers had ties to MIAA schools at the time and wanted a place for the holdbacks. Disgusting.
Every league in Howard County Recreation is age based except this lacrosse league. Disgusting.

And notIntelligent MYLA at the time gave HoCO its blessing?? Ruined age based lacrosse in MD two years after starting.

HOCO a public run and taxpayer funded org that helps out the private schools prefirst/holdback/reclass play down and get an advantage . Amazing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/24/19 01:15 PM

“A certain boarding school in Owings Mills”? Call the league, I’m sure there are a lots of teams who would insist on punishing such a successful program. God this is dumb. Why would they take kids who are ineligible? 2023 is an age where kids start to really stand out, or get weeded out, based on size and speed. Moat of that is in the DNA, some of it is work ethic. But when freshmen and sophomores make, play and l/or start on MIAA Varsity rosters against kids who are older, tells you they are simply very good (because under the posters’ logic, aren’t those older kids on Varisty teams also all holdbacks and my favorite unicorn “double holdbacks?”). I guess logic isn’t on the HH menu at the Greene Turtle...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/25/19 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of those kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.


My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.


There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior to the 9/1 date. and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of these 7/8 kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade? HoCo doesn't deny it.

For the safety of these kids, I think HOCO might want to ban 13 year olds from playing in the Elite Div.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/26/19 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of those kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.


16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.


My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.


There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior to the 9/1 date. and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of these 7/8 kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade? HoCo doesn't deny it.

For the safety of these kids, I think HOCO might want to ban 13 year olds from playing in the Elite Div.


Good one. My kid is 13 and won't turn 14 until the end of the summer, and he is playing 2023 elite division. He loves playing with the older kids. No complaints here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/27/19 04:18 PM

good for you
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/27/19 04:19 PM

happy for you enjoy your season
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 02/27/19 10:38 PM

You should have added - “... of course my son is unlike other 13 year olds in that he reached physical maturity abnormally early so he resembles a 16 year old.”
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/09/19 07:01 PM

Re: holdbacks, is there ever a concern from a legal POV? Leagues/tourneys knowing significantly older players playing in younger age groups?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/18/19 08:35 PM

The HoCo schedule is out. Intersting divisions, but nice that most of the teams in each division will get to face each other. And not have a fluke undefeated team that happen to get a schedule against the "weaker" teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Posted By: watchthemplay

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/19/19 01:51 AM

Can't
Posted By: watchthemplay

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/19/19 01:56 AM

My son is on 2022 , now 15. I know 2023 crabs team and it's laughable that some clown would post that they have 16vyr olds. They need to have facts to back this up. Can't believe same people on here whining about holdbacks etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by watchthemplay
My son is on 2022 , now 15. I know 2023 crabs team and it's laughable that some clown would post that they have 16vyr olds. They need to have facts to back this up. Can't believe same people on here whining about holdbacks etc.


Cant believe there is still holdback apologists defending playing down in youth lacrosse !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 03:20 PM

The holdback discussion has been beaten to death; unfortunately its a part of YOUTH Lacrosse and will not be going away anytime soon. I discuss this with my 13 year old son frequently and he understands if he is going to compete at this level and against older kids he just needs to work harder. In the end it will just make him a better lacrosse player and more importantly a better young man; isn't the later the goal here?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 05:21 PM

Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP



Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/21/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP



Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC

Sounds about right except Diamond Backs are in AA and Looney-Green are in AAA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/22/19 01:14 PM

you should be proud...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/22/19 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP



Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC


I thought the NL 23's were supposed to be pretty good. Did they lose players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/23/19 02:06 AM

How does Team 91 MD stay at Elite after going winless 2 years in a row. Sad that politics rules HoCo.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/23/19 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP



Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC


I thought the NL 23's were supposed to be pretty good. Did they lose players?

NL 23 is good but the Elite teams are tough I do not think they are top4
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/23/19 01:22 PM

Who is coaching Looneys today
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/23/19 06:34 PM

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/23/19 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/24/19 01:10 AM

A HOF Coach and holdback cant help this game team. Looks to have taken a step back. Drop 91 down a tier.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/24/19 01:43 AM

Can someone post today's scores . . . ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/24/19 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.


I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/24/19 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can someone post today's scores . . . ?


FCA 14 - 6 over 91
Crabs 12 - 1 over NL
Hawks 17 - 5 over Looney’s
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/24/19 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A HOF Coach and holdback cant help this game team. Looks to have taken a step back. Drop 91 down a tier.

Not a HOF coach.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/24/19 02:39 PM

"Give it to the 9th grader"...now he can use that for his own team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/24/19 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Give it to the 9th grader"...now he can use that for his own team.



OUCH !!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is coaching Looneys today


Why?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is coaching Looneys today


Why?


And which team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/25/19 07:29 PM

Any 23’s trying out for UA teams. Only 1 2022 made it last year. Is it worth it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/26/19 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any 23’s trying out for UA teams. Only 1 2022 made it last year. Is it worth it?


For the chance to go against many different good players it is...To make team, your chances are very slim if any.

Frankly the teams have many players already slotted for the team. Look at any region and coach and look at majority of players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/26/19 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.


I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !


Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/26/19 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.


I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !


Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/26/19 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.


I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !


Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.


I would think they do it to help them in the summer, why not play up if you have the opportunity. Maybe HOCO should have a process for moving the top team from AA up and the bottom team from elite down or something like that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/26/19 08:40 PM

"I would think they do it to help them in the summer, why not play up if you have the opportunity. Maybe HOCO should have a process for moving the top team from AA up and the bottom team from elite down or something like that."

HOCO does have a process called a competition committee. The issue is that the members of the committee include the person involved here. The top clubs all play in each others events and look the other way at holdback issues support grade based play and will only allow each other's teams in the Elite group despite the talent. T91 had a strong 22 team and has a strong 24 team, therefore they will want to be in elite at 23 even if the play on the field does not warrant it, which it has not. Not being unfair here but the record speaks for itself. The only logical candidates to replace them would be teams like South River, VLC, or Cavalier who have been in the finals the last few years in the next level down. I am not sure if these teams would do better, worse, or the same. VLC is owned by Crabs so the powers that be on the committee will never let a club have two elite teams, South River is a local club and not represented in the club lacrosse mafia, and Cavalier is too Virginia'ish to make it. For the rest of the Elite clubs they are clearly better than these other clubs and deserve the spot. I think though it is not good for these kids on 91 to "play up" and get ready for the summer. Losing is tough and leads to more losing. They need to play at a competitive level that fits the talent as most teams do is almost all sports at all levels.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/26/19 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.


I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !


Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.


That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.


I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !


Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.


That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !



Are these Texas kids or something because they weren't at the game last weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 05:29 PM

That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

[/quote]

Are these Texas kids or something because they weren't at the game last weekend?[/quote]

Shutdown by a weak FCA defense
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/27/19 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.


I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.


I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !


Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.


That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !



I guess if you raise your attackman as a 2022 until 8th grade, then drop them to 2023 it improves your attack slightly. In this case, it probably just improved several 2023 goalies save percentages just by standing still!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 01:10 AM



That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

[/quote]

I guess if you raise your attackman as a 2022 until 8th grade, then drop them to 2023 it improves your attack slightly. In this case, it probably just improved several 2023 goalies save percentages just by standing still! [/quote]

by all accounts terrific kid. jump on millon all u want as a for profit club operator. but adults shouldn't be discussing kids in a negative way
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 01:57 AM

I guess you haven’t seen the Hawks attack yet??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 02:21 AM

Last one out of Team 91 2023 please shut the lights off
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 02:36 AM

MM posts stuff on his twiiter site about other kids hits. Posted one about a 10 year old a few years ago. It goes both ways.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 11:34 AM

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 12:50 PM

There's obviously a reverse millon poser here and people are calling for it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.


I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 01:42 PM

People seem to be down on 91 and maybe with a some justification. Truth is that there are really only 3 Elite teams in HOCO that have a chance to win. FCA is the best of the rest. 91 could possibly have a good day v. NL or DCE time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess you haven’t seen the Hawks attack yet??



Man they looked good. A couple of those kids seem unstoppable - especially coming around from X.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.


I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.


Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.


I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.


Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.


I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 - 03/28/19 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.


I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.


Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.


I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is s