Boys 2023 - 7th Grade Fall 2017/Summer 2018 - US Lacrosse Community Forum

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anyone know of an A team that has less than 20 kids / has dedicated coaches/organized and intense practices/focused on recruiting/not very expensive?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know of an A team that has less than 20 kids / has dedicated coaches/organized and intense practices/focused on recruiting/not very expensive?

What area? That usually is the biggest limitation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know of an A team that has less than 20 kids / has dedicated coaches/organized and intense practices/focused on recruiting/not very expensive?

What area? That usually is the biggest limitation.

He's talking about unicorns... it doesn't exist. Should have included "no daddy ball".

Unicorn LC

How was FCA and Looneys tryouts yesterday?

Many yellow lids

about 60 kids at Looney's. Tryouts were well done, fast paced and some talent. A lot of recreation kids making their first attempt at club. I agree that the Crabs were well represented at the tryout (6 total). If Looney's can get 2 to 4 of those Crabs kids they will be much better over last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

about 60 kids at Looney's. Tryouts were well done, fast paced and some talent. A lot of recreation kids making their first attempt at club. I agree that the Crabs were well represented at the tryout (6 total). If Looney's can get 2 to 4 of those Crabs kids they will be much better over last year.

If they get all of those kids they will probably be better than Crabs next year... ##truth##

Originally Posted by Anonymous

about 60 kids at Looney's. Tryouts were well done, fast paced and some talent. A lot of recreation kids making their first attempt at club. I agree that the Crabs were well represented at the tryout (6 total). If Looney's can get 2 to 4 of those Crabs kids they will be much better over last year.

a few kids really stood out at Looneys tryouts.. New to this so not sure where that came from or if they were already there

There was probably about the same number at Calvert Hall for the FCA tryouts; 60ish. Very organized and well run; it appeared they had some of their Calvert Hall alumni running drills while coaches evaluated. A few scattered yellow lids mixed in but a variety of club teams being represented. There was a lot going on to say the least but it looked liked Kelley was spending extra time with some new talent at attack and the face-off position; they had a lot of talent at mid-field. This team will be very well represented come next Spring based on the talent level I saw on Sunday.

Who cares how may kids go to to FCA 2023 tryout? Spots only open if returning kids leave. That is why that team cannot overcome Crabs, which has open tryouts and actually scouts and brings in new players during the season. Did it with an attackmen 2 years ago and a defender this past season. Different models.

Looks like many Looneys kids from last year need to worry about keeping a spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was probably about the same number at Calvert Hall for the FCA tryouts; 60ish. Very organized and well run; it appeared they had some of their Calvert Hall alumni running drills while coaches evaluated. A few scattered yellow lids mixed in but a variety of club teams being represented. There was a lot going on to say the least but it looked liked Kelley was spending extra time with some new talent at attack and the face-off position; they had a lot of talent at mid-field. This team will be very well represented come next Spring based on the talent level I saw on Sunday.

More of his relatives on the way up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares how may kids go to to FCA 2023 tryout? Spots only open if returning kids leave. That is why that team cannot overcome Crabs, which has open tryouts and actually scouts and brings in new players during the season. Did it with an attackmen 2 years ago and a defender this past season. Different models.

That's not how fca runs 2020 team which Kelly also coaches. Very few kids left on blue team from 5th/6th grade. He wants best possible players to steer to Calvert hall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares how may kids go to to FCA 2023 tryout? Spots only open if returning kids leave. That is why that team cannot overcome Crabs, which has open tryouts and actually scouts and brings in new players during the season. Did it with an attackmen 2 years ago and a defender this past season. Different models.

Relax.....someone simply asked how tryouts were at Looney's and FCA; why so defensive? And with all due respect I will take the coaching at Looney's and FCA over Crabs any day of the week thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like many Looneys kids from last year need to worry about keeping a spot.

Why is that because the back-up yellow lids are coming over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like many Looneys kids from last year need to worry about keeping a spot.

Why is that because the back-up yellow lids are coming over?

There were around 6 Crabs there, 4 Hawks, 3 or 4 FCA. Really good talent on the top end.

"There were around 6 Crabs there, 4 Hawks, 3 or 4 FCA. Really good talent on the top end."
You were not there. These numbers are guesses. Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"There were around 6 Crabs there, 4 Hawks, 3 or 4 FCA. Really good talent on the top end."
You were not there. These numbers are guesses. Thanks for playing.

Was there and yes, since I couldn't get the kids to stand still while I counted their helmets,

Since you must have had better luck doing that, what are the correct numbers

5-6 crabs helmets at looney, didn't count the others. 91 and FCA both had crab helmets as well

Who cares what the correct number is? The point is you guessed. It is like you work for CNN.
Don't guess, just state what you saw, no one is judging you for not being able to count.

Here is the correct way you should have written your post.
"There were Crabs, Hawks, and FCA helmets at the Loonies' tryout. Really good talent on the top end."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares what the correct number is? The point is you guessed. It is like you work for CNN.
Don't guess, just state what you saw, no one is judging you for not being able to count.

Here is the correct way you should have written your post.
"There were Crabs, Hawks, and FCA helmets at the Loonies' tryout. Really good talent on the top end."

Apparently YOU care what the correct number is. Thanks for the post writing tips though, I will post correctly on Sunday except I will attempt to spell the name of the club correctly if that is ok. I assume you just "guessed" at the spelling.

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5-6 crabs helmets at looney, didn't count the others. 91 and FCA both had crab helmets as well

Hey guys, think you might be on the wrong thread, 14 years olds should be going into 9th grade, not 7th...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

5-6 crabs helmets at looney, didn't count the others. 91 and FCA both had crab helmets as well

Hey guys, think you might be on the wrong thread, 14 years olds should be going into 9th grade, not 7th...

That is hilarious! And true. My son attended 2 different club tryouts and it was comical to see the difference in age and maturation as the kids were putting on their equipment in one big group. So easy to pick out the kids who should be in 8th and 9th grade. My kid's primary sport isn't lacrosse and he is a young 2023 so I could careless about the whole holdback thing but the holdback parents that put their head in the sand and act like it isn't an advantage are quite annoying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

5-6 crabs helmets at looney, didn't count the others. 91 and FCA both had crab helmets as well

Hey guys, think you might be on the wrong thread, 14 years olds should be going into 9th grade, not 7th...

That is hilarious! And true. My son attended 2 different club tryouts and it was comical to see the difference in age and maturation as the kids were putting on their equipment in one big group. So easy to pick out the kids who should be in 8th and 9th grade. My kid's primary sport isn't lacrosse and he is a young 2023 so I could careless about the whole holdback thing but the holdback parents that put their head in the sand and act like it isn't an advantage are quite annoying.

What is hilarious is the fact you think you can tell which middle school kids are older and younger. Years ago I coached u15 rec teams and there is a huge size difference in kids that I know were playing together where they should have. 7th and 8th graders have and always will mature at different levels at this age. I do think the re-class thing is crazy and bad for the sport but I also think many parents are too quick to think they know by watching which kids are older. Not just a lacrosse thing either. There is a video of Lebron James upset because his son was getting beat by another player at a tournament and he called the kid out for being too old. Funny thing is that the kid tweeted that he was so good he got called out by Lebron which probably made his day. I hate to read on this site that kids are called out if they are not older which I have seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

5-6 crabs helmets at looney, didn't count the others. 91 and FCA both had crab helmets as well

Hey guys, think you might be on the wrong thread, 14 years olds should be going into 9th grade, not 7th...

That is hilarious! And true. My son attended 2 different club tryouts and it was comical to see the difference in age and maturation as the kids were putting on their equipment in one big group. So easy to pick out the kids who should be in 8th and 9th grade. My kid's primary sport isn't lacrosse and he is a young 2023 so I could careless about the whole holdback thing but the holdback parents that put their head in the sand and act like it isn't an advantage are quite annoying.

What is hilarious is the fact you think you can tell which middle school kids are older and younger. Years ago I coached u15 rec teams and there is a huge size difference in kids that I know were playing together where they should have. 7th and 8th graders have and always will mature at different levels at this age. I do think the re-class thing is crazy and bad for the sport but I also think many parents are too quick to think they know by watching which kids are older. Not just a lacrosse thing either. There is a video of Lebron James upset because his son was getting beat by another player at a tournament and he called the kid out for being too old. Funny thing is that the kid tweeted that he was so good he got called out by Lebron which probably made his day. I hate to read on this site that kids are called out if they are not older which I have seen.

Agreed. In many cases, the older kids on the team are smaller. They were reclassed by their parents for that reason. My son is on age and he is very tall and has started puberty so he has hair on his legs, etc....Can't tell by how the kids look how old they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

5-6 crabs helmets at looney, didn't count the others. 91 and FCA both had crab helmets as well

Hey guys, think you might be on the wrong thread, 14 years olds should be going into 9th grade, not 7th...

That is hilarious! And true. My son attended 2 different club tryouts and it was comical to see the difference in age and maturation as the kids were putting on their equipment in one big group. So easy to pick out the kids who should be in 8th and 9th grade. My kid's primary sport isn't lacrosse and he is a young 2023 so I could careless about the whole holdback thing but the holdback parents that put their head in the sand and act like it isn't an advantage are quite annoying.

What is hilarious is the fact you think you can tell which middle school kids are older and younger. Years ago I coached u15 rec teams and there is a huge size difference in kids that I know were playing together where they should have. 7th and 8th graders have and always will mature at different levels at this age. I do think the re-class thing is crazy and bad for the sport but I also think many parents are too quick to think they know by watching which kids are older. Not just a lacrosse thing either. There is a video of Lebron James upset because his son was getting beat by another player at a tournament and he called the kid out for being too old. Funny thing is that the kid tweeted that he was so good he got called out by Lebron which probably made his day. I hate to read on this site that kids are called out if they are not older which I have seen.

I have been teaching middle school for the past 20 years and coaching wrestling for 25 so I think I can tell the differences in age and maturation levels of 7th and 8th grade boys. But it certainly is nothing compared to your expertise as a U15 Rec coach. If you actually read what I posted, I said I could care less about holdback players. It was the parents I had an issue with, so save me your sanctimonious BS.

How do FCA and Looneys typically keep on there teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

5-6 crabs helmets at looney, didn't count the others. 91 and FCA both had crab helmets as well

Hey guys, think you might be on the wrong thread, 14 years olds should be going into 9th grade, not 7th...

That is hilarious! And true. My son attended 2 different club tryouts and it was comical to see the difference in age and maturation as the kids were putting on their equipment in one big group. So easy to pick out the kids who should be in 8th and 9th grade. My kid's primary sport isn't lacrosse and he is a young 2023 so I could careless about the whole holdback thing but the holdback parents that put their head in the sand and act like it isn't an advantage are quite annoying.

What is hilarious is the fact you think you can tell which middle school kids are older and younger. Years ago I coached u15 rec teams and there is a huge size difference in kids that I know were playing together where they should have. 7th and 8th graders have and always will mature at different levels at this age. I do think the re-class thing is crazy and bad for the sport but I also think many parents are too quick to think they know by watching which kids are older. Not just a lacrosse thing either. There is a video of Lebron James upset because his son was getting beat by another player at a tournament and he called the kid out for being too old. Funny thing is that the kid tweeted that he was so good he got called out by Lebron which probably made his day. I hate to read on this site that kids are called out if they are not older which I have seen.

I have been teaching middle school for the past 20 years and coaching wrestling for 25 so I think I can tell the differences in age and maturation levels of 7th and 8th grade boys. But it certainly is nothing compared to your expertise as a U15 Rec coach. If you actually read what I posted, I said I could care less about holdback players. It was the parents I had an issue with, so save me your sanctimonious BS.

Telling the truth about holdbacks/prefirsts gets the same response constantly. It is an unfair advantage for the majority of kids that do it. It isnt that hard to tell many of the kids that were heldback. Of course not all big kids are holdbacks.

But the apologists want to tell us the same old excuses......just cause they are big doesnt mean they are holdbacks, they are only a few months older, hit the wall your kid will get better, college coaches want to judge youth by grade not age, etc, etc

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do FCA and Looneys typically keep on there teams?

Last seasons rosters are on their website

That's a fact

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Where you been Looney's hater? Looney's will have a 2019, two 2020s & a 2021 for this fall/summer

Back-up Yellow lids...lol
Funny, my friend said they were the 1st to get invites.

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

Last one out.. turn off the lights

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

You are an idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

You are an idiot.

Completely true. Most likely half the team will be moving on to other clubs. It's a shame. Not sure what happened last year but it must of not been good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Where you been Looney's hater? Looney's will have a 2019, two 2020s & a 2021 for this fall/summer

Looney's 2020 will be excellent. The rest of the club is garbage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Where you been Looney's hater? Looney's will have a 2019, two 2020s & a 2021 for this fall/summer

Looney's 2020 will be excellent. The rest of the club is garbage.

Very true. The 2023's will be medicore at beast this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Where you been Looney's hater? Looney's will have a 2019, two 2020s & a 2021 for this fall/summer

Looney's 2020 will be excellent. The rest of the club is garbage.

Very true. The 2023's will be medicore at beast this year

Interesting that the two finalist in HOCO were Crabs and Club Blue both seem to be imploding?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Where you been Looney's hater? Looney's will have a 2019, two 2020s & a 2021 for this fall/summer

Looney's 2020 will be excellent. The rest of the club is garbage.

Very true. The 2023's will be medicore at beast this year

Interesting that the two finalist in HOCO were Crabs and Club Blue both seem to be imploding?

I am not sure if anyone would know this, but what 2023 club teams are growing or seemed to improve their talent level during and after tryouts. It sounds like crabs has a lot of turnover again; that seems to hold true every year but they simply reload with talent. What club 2023 teams will be able to compete with them next season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Where you been Looney's hater? Looney's will have a 2019, two 2020s & a 2021 for this fall/summer

Looney's 2020 will be excellent. The rest of the club is garbage.

Very true. The 2023's will be medicore at beast this year

Interesting that the two finalist in HOCO were Crabs and Club Blue both seem to be imploding?

I am not sure if anyone would know this, but what 2023 club teams are growing or seemed to improve their talent level during and after tryouts. It sounds like crabs has a lot of turnover again; that seems to hold true every year but they simply reload with talent. What club 2023 teams will be able to compete with them next season?

Club [lacrosse]... Seriously Crab Dad...[lacrosse] measure someplace else

Fca hawks BLC Next Level club blue.

people put a lot of stock into kids trying out for other clubs. Many kids use different club tryouts as a warm-up, or a backup plan for their particular team. how many of those 5-6 crabs players who tried out for Looney's Orange were offered and accepted a spot on the team? of those crabs players, how many of them played for Looney's in the past with Capt. Flatbrim was a coach?

FCA, Hawks, Club Blue and Next Level will all be fully competitive with Crabs. BLC falling apart at this age. FCA and Next Level both very good last year and will get better. Hawks were good in summer tourneys - probably guest players. Club Blue will have another 6 kids reclass down bringing the grand total of on age kids on the 2023 team to ZERO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Hawks, Club Blue and Next Level will all be fully competitive with Crabs. BLC falling apart at this age. FCA and Next Level both very good last year and will get better. Hawks were good in summer tourneys - probably guest players. Club Blue will have another 6 kids reclass down bringing the grand total of on age kids on the 2023 team to ZERO

Club Blue tryouts are this weekend in VA. Will a VA location have any impact? Will they pull from N.VA? The 2022 team is going to MD Hawks? What is that about? Should be interesting for the HOCO champs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney doesn't. They fold their teams.

Where you been Looney's hater? Looney's will have a 2019, two 2020s & a 2021 for this fall/summer

Looney's 2020 will be excellent. The rest of the club is garbage.

Very true. The 2023's will be medicore at beast this year

So which category does junior fall into:

Couldn't make A or B this year?
Couldn't make A or B in the past?
Wasn't good enough or got "screwed " with playing time?

It is never the kid who excels on another team and comes to tryouts and isn't interested. Those people just move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

people put a lot of stock into kids trying out for other clubs. Many kids use different club tryouts as a warm-up, or a backup plan for their particular team. how many of those 5-6 crabs players who tried out for Looney's Orange were offered and accepted a spot on the team? of those crabs players, how many of them played for Looney's in the past with Capt. Flatbrim was a coach?

Fishing for info...It's killing you isn't it? I'm not telling... You will have to wait until the rosters are posted....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

people put a lot of stock into kids trying out for other clubs. Many kids use different club tryouts as a warm-up, or a backup plan for their particular team. how many of those 5-6 crabs players who tried out for Looney's Orange were offered and accepted a spot on the team? of those crabs players, how many of them played for Looney's in the past with Capt. Flatbrim was a coach?

Fishing for info...It's killing you isn't it? I'm not telling... You will have to wait until the rosters are posted....

nope, not at all! just saying many kids use other tryouts as a warm up and/or back-up plan. I have an older kid at Looney's not a 2023.

Loons already set the orange squad. Notices already went out.

I have never quite witnessed and epic departure like the Crabs 2023 team...Hopefully those coaches and other coaches learn from their mistakes and better coach a talented team..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loons already set the orange squad. Notices already went out.

Looney's Snatched several of the Crabs best players... They will be one of the top teams at this age group next season

Does anyone have any insight on the FCA or Club Blue Teams for 2023? They were both very talented last year and have some very good coaching; any new talent added? Seems the yellow helmets were well represented at all tryouts this year!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Hawks, Club Blue and Next Level will all be fully competitive with Crabs. BLC falling apart at this age. FCA and Next Level both very good last year and will get better. Hawks were good in summer tourneys - probably guest players. Club Blue will have another 6 kids reclass down bringing the grand total of on age kids on the 2023 team to ZERO

Club Blue tryouts are this weekend in VA. Will a VA location have any impact? Will they pull from N.VA? The 2022 team is going to MD Hawks? What is that about? Should be interesting for the HOCO champs.

2021 CB going to MD (not analpolis) Hawks. Not 2022. Just a way for GP coaches to work with their kids over the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have never quite witnessed and epic departure like the Crabs 2023 team...Hopefully those coaches and other coaches learn from their mistakes and better coach a talented team..

I guess you weren't around when 91MD poached multiple teams from Breakers, or when FCA started and took many kids from Looney and Green Turtle.

How many of those Crabs players followed Flt brim from Carol Manor > Koopers > Looney's > Crabs and now back to Looney's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]FCA, Hawks, Club Blue and Next Level will all be fully competitive with Crabs. BLC falling apart at this age. FCA and Next Level both very good last year and will get better. Hawks were good in summer tourneys - probably guest players. Club Blue will have another 6 kids reclass down bringing the grand total of on age kids on the 2023 team to ZERO

Club Blue tryouts are this weekend in VA. Will a VA location have any impact? Will they pull from N.VA? The 2022 team is going to MD Hawks? What is that about? Should be interesting for the HOCO champs.

Md Hawks were strictly for 2021 team, have heard it will no longer happen now because of IAC rules about off season coaching.

I have not seen any discussion about MM 2023's........was anyone at tryouts or have an idea if this team will be competitive this year? Honestly I feel MM only concern is 22 and 24 and the rest of the club can implode.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen any discussion about MM 2023's........was anyone at tryouts or have an idea if this team will be competitive this year? Honestly I feel MM only concern is 22 and 24 and the rest of the club can implode.

they had about 45 kids tryout, 3 crab lids, not sure if they accepted an invite.

Their FOGO from last year went to FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen any discussion about MM 2023's........was anyone at tryouts or have an idea if this team will be competitive this year? Honestly I feel MM only concern is 22 and 24 and the rest of the club can implode.

Apparently @91Maryland is announcing their teams by order of importance on twitter. '22 yesterday '24 today, who will be next?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen any discussion about MM 2023's........was anyone at tryouts or have an idea if this team will be competitive this year? Honestly I feel MM only concern is 22 and 24 and the rest of the club can implode.

Apparently @91Maryland is announcing their teams by order of importance on twitter. '22 yesterday '24 today, who will be next?

Just said the roster is final. They never list their rosters because they change with guest players all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen any discussion about MM 2023's........was anyone at tryouts or have an idea if this team will be competitive this year? Honestly I feel MM only concern is 22 and 24 and the rest of the club can implode.

Apparently @91Maryland is announcing their teams by order of importance on twitter. '22 yesterday '24 today, who will be next?

Well based on that Logic MM should be announcing what he will be doing next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have not seen any discussion about MM 2023's........was anyone at tryouts or have an idea if this team will be competitive this year? Honestly I feel MM only concern is 22 and 24 and the rest of the club can implode.

they had about 45 kids tryout, 3 crab lids, not sure if they accepted an invite.

Their FOGO from last year went to FCA

I just heard their Goalie is playing for Crabs; so the two key positions on this team are gone? Way to MM! Lol

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Very nice to talk about 12 yr old kids like this.

Must be MM posting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

both were great players for the team and will be missed! shame some parents feel the urge to blast 7th graders.

[quote=Anonymous]91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Sounds like another bitter 91 parent who is not on 24 or 22. My son tried out for FCA and ended up on the "white team"; we accepted that offer. This club has a lot to offer outside of lacrosse so we thought it would be the best fit for him moving forward. I was able to watch that kid with the 91 helmet faceoff in all 3 tryouts; there was not anyone close to him; the kid has talent to say the least. If he went to FCA that is a huge addition for a team that already has loads of talent; I am sure they appreciate the "liability". I did not attend the Crabs tryouts but if the goalie made the team, overrated and replaceable are probably not adjectives I would use. Based on your assessment no wonder 91 2023 is on the way down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Wow my son played on 91 2023 and still does. These statements couldn't be further from the truth!! Those two boys were huge assets to our team and high character kids who will be missed tremendously. FCA and Crabs got a lot stronger! Please get your facts straight before making absolutely ridiculous posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Wow my son played on 91 2023 and still does. These statements couldn't be further from the truth!! Those two boys were huge assets to our team and high character kids who will be missed tremendously. FCA and Crabs got a lot stronger! Please get your facts straight before making absolutely ridiculous posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Wow my son played on 91 2023 and still does. These statements couldn't be further from the truth!! Those two boys were huge assets to our team and high character kids who will be missed tremendously. FCA and Crabs got a lot stronger! Please get your facts straight before making absolutely ridiculous posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Wow my son played on 91 2023 and still does. These statements couldn't be further from the truth!! Those two boys were huge assets to our team and high character kids who will be missed tremendously. FCA and Crabs got a lot stronger! Please get your facts straight before making absolutely ridiculous posts.

You're all fired up; had to repeat this 3 times!! Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Hey Mark I would love to know what the "key" to this team was; did you happen to see their record in HOCO and Tournamemrs this year? Seems to those who have actual knowledge of the team would disagree with your assessment of players on a team in your own club!! Oh that's right you have no clue since neither of your kids play on 2023!

Team 91 2023 will continue to lose kids unless they change the coaching staff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

Sounds like another bitter 91 parent who is not on 24 or 22. My son tried out for FCA and ended up on the "white team"; we accepted that offer. This club has a lot to offer outside of lacrosse so we thought it would be the best fit for him moving forward. I was able to watch that kid with the 91 helmet faceoff in all 3 tryouts; there was not anyone close to him; the kid has talent to say the least. If he went to FCA that is a huge addition for a team that already has loads of talent; I am sure they appreciate the "liability". I did not attend the Crabs tryouts but if the goalie made the team, overrated and replaceable are probably not adjectives I would use. Based on your assessment no wonder 91 2023 is on the way down.

Welcome to the FCA family my friend. This is my son's 3rd year with the club and I think you made the right decision. I also was in attendance for all 3 tryouts and most us there knew after Day 1 who would be the FOGO for FCA Blue next season. At the end of tryout 3 I met this young man and his mother; great family!! As stated earlier in another post thank you for this liability 91 we greatly appreciate it!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2023 will continue to lose kids unless they change the coaching staff.

91 MD will continue to lose kids as long as Millon is running the show. The guy is a complete narcissist who still thinks he is relevant. Besides himself, first and foremost, he only cares about his sons' teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2023 will continue to lose kids unless they change the coaching staff.

91 MD will continue to lose kids as long as Millon is running the show. The guy is a complete narcissist who still thinks he is relevant. Besides himself, first and foremost, he only cares about his sons' teams.

At least 3 good crabs just moved to 2023 T91MD. They must have done something right during tryouts this year (or Crabs did something really awful).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2023 will continue to lose kids unless they change the coaching staff.

91 MD will continue to lose kids as long as Millon is running the show. The guy is a complete narcissist who still thinks he is relevant. Besides himself, first and foremost, he only cares about his sons' teams.

At least 3 good crabs just moved to 2023 T91MD. They must have done something right during tryouts this year (or Crabs did something really awful).

Crabs lost half their 2023 team. Seems to be a pattern across all teams at Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2023 will continue to lose kids unless they change the coaching staff.

91 MD will continue to lose kids as long as Millon is running the show. The guy is a complete narcissist who still thinks he is relevant. Besides himself, first and foremost, he only cares about his sons' teams.

At least 3 good crabs just moved to 2023 T91MD. They must have done something right during tryouts this year (or Crabs did something really awful).

Interesting because I just looked at the current Crabs 2023 roster and there are only 13 kids listed. I know tryouts are still going on but there does seem to be some major turnover in the program. I do find it somewhat comical though how the yellow helmets showing up at tryouts or coming to another club team are viewed as saviors to an organization.

Team 91 had tryouts on the weekend on August 5&6 and the 2023 roster still has not been finalized? If that is the case I think that does say something about this team. Other clubs like FCA, Looney's, Hawks, Crabs etc have rosters finalized shortly after the final whistle at the last tryout. And can we all agree that taking 'shots' at kids is just bad form and should NEVER happen?

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 FOGO was a liability and certainly wasn't key to the team. Goalie is overrated and replaceable.

both were great players for the team and will be missed! shame some parents feel the urge to blast 7th graders.

Could be part of the reason these kids left if that is the attitude being displayed on the sidelines........absolute shame what some parents can do to destroy a TEAM of kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

I think the same can be true of 91md 2023; we left club entirely because of this experience!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

It's different coaches this year so what's the reason?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

It's different coaches this year so what's the reason?

So flat brim is out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2023 will continue to lose kids unless they change the coaching staff.

91 MD will continue to lose kids as long as Millon is running the show. The guy is a complete narcissist who still thinks he is relevant. Besides himself, first and foremost, he only cares about his sons' teams.

At least 3 good crabs just moved to 2023 T91MD. They must have done something right during tryouts this year (or Crabs did something really awful).

Interesting because I just looked at the current Crabs 2023 roster and there are only 13 kids listed. I know tryouts are still going on but there does seem to be some major turnover in the program. I do find it somewhat comical though how the yellow helmets showing up at tryouts or coming to another club team are viewed as saviors to an organization.

Team 91 had tryouts on the weekend on August 5&6 and the 2023 roster still has not been finalized? If that is the case I think that does say something about this team. Other clubs like FCA, Looney's, Hawks, Crabs etc have rosters finalized shortly after the final whistle at the last tryout. And can we all agree that taking 'shots' at kids is just bad form and should NEVER happen?

Taking shots at teams is equivalent to taking shots at kids on that team, perhaps you should follow you own advice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2023 will continue to lose kids unless they change the coaching staff.

91 MD will continue to lose kids as long as Millon is running the show. The guy is a complete narcissist who still thinks he is relevant. Besides himself, first and foremost, he only cares about his sons' teams.

At least 3 good crabs just moved to 2023 T91MD. They must have done something right during tryouts this year (or Crabs did something really awful).

Interesting because I just looked at the current Crabs 2023 roster and there are only 13 kids listed. I know tryouts are still going on but there does seem to be some major turnover in the program. I do find it somewhat comical though how the yellow helmets showing up at tryouts or coming to another club team are viewed as saviors to an organization.

Team 91 had tryouts on the weekend on August 5&6 and the 2023 roster still has not been finalized? If that is the case I think that does say something about this team. Other clubs like FCA, Looney's, Hawks, Crabs etc have rosters finalized shortly after the final whistle at the last tryout. And can we all agree that taking 'shots' at kids is just bad form and should NEVER happen?

Taking shots at teams is equivalent to taking shots at kids on that team, perhaps you should follow you own advice?

I wasn't intentionally trying to take a shot at this club; just stating what I typically see once tryouts are finished. Others have expressed their disdain; I was referring to the process of recruiting but each club is different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

It's different coaches this year so what's the reason?

So flat brim is out?

Yep - flat brim is no longer coaching that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

It's different coaches this year so what's the reason?

So flat brim is out?

Yep - flat brim is no longer coaching that team.

Flat Brim was not the head coach... Just an assistant..... Look to the Head Coach for problems with the team... Ultimately his responsibility

Flat brim is coaching another team for Crabs. Still a very good group of coaches and kids on 2023

Interesting how parents are complaining about their kids not getting enough time on the field. Then you want to say the good kids are leaving and going to another team. Any moron can see that if your kid was good then they would have been playing and parents wouldn't be so unhappy. It is the same anywhere you go. Good luck to all of you unhappy parents and kids. Try to enjoy the game and stop the constant whining and complaining. Try to stay with one club team for more than 1 or two years, try pushing through when you don't like one thing or don't get your way.
You think these other club teams teams are lucky to be inheriting this drama? Same [lacrosse] different day...I mean club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting how parents are complaining about their kids not getting enough time on the field. Then you want to say the good kids are leaving and going to another team. Any moron can see that if your kid was good then they would have been playing and parents wouldn't be so unhappy. It is the same anywhere you go. Good luck to all of you unhappy parents and kids. Try to enjoy the game and stop the constant whining and complaining. Try to stay with one club team for more than 1 or two years, try pushing through when you don't like one thing or don't get your way.
You think these other club teams teams are lucky to be inheriting this drama? Same [lacrosse] different day...I mean club.

Agreed. Several of these kids are on their 3rd or 4th club in 4 years. You think that's because of bad coaching? Sounds like bad parents to me. This Crabs team will be better off without all of that drama!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting how parents are complaining about their kids not getting enough time on the field. Then you want to say the good kids are leaving and going to another team. Any moron can see that if your kid was good then they would have been playing and parents wouldn't be so unhappy. It is the same anywhere you go. Good luck to all of you unhappy parents and kids. Try to enjoy the game and stop the constant whining and complaining. Try to stay with one club team for more than 1 or two years, try pushing through when you don't like one thing or don't get your way.
You think these other club teams teams are lucky to be inheriting this drama? Same [lacrosse] different day...I mean club.

touche

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

parents disagree with adding a flat brim to the uniform?

Exactly my point.... you just proved how idiotic The parents are. Complete morons. Let's see what club you get cut from next year. I noticed many of these parents forgot to mention that they didn't exactly leave their respective clubs. Many were not asked to come back. It sounds so much better to blame everyone else. I am leaving a winning team because my kid didn't play and the coaching was horrible.
You can't be a winning team if the coaching is horrible. You can however be a non-factor, on a winning team.

Dumb...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting how parents are complaining about their kids not getting enough time on the field. Then you want to say the good kids are leaving and going to another team. Any moron can see that if your kid was good then they would have been playing and parents wouldn't be so unhappy. It is the same anywhere you go. Good luck to all of you unhappy parents and kids. Try to enjoy the game and stop the constant whining and complaining. Try to stay with one club team for more than 1 or two years, try pushing through when you don't like one thing or don't get your way.
You think these other club teams teams are lucky to be inheriting this drama? Same [lacrosse] different day...I mean club.

Agreed. Several of these kids are on their 3rd or 4th club in 4 years. You think that's because of bad coaching? Sounds like bad parents to me. This Crabs team will be better off without all of that drama!

That way of thinking got you into this perdicament Ryan....I mean jumbo lump!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly my point.... you just proved how idiotic The parents are. Complete morons. Let's see what club you get cut from next year. I noticed many of these parents forgot to mention that they didn't exactly leave their respective clubs. Many were not asked to come back. It sounds so much better to blame everyone else. I am leaving a winning team because my kid didn't play and the coaching was horrible.
You can't be a winning team if the coaching is horrible. You can however be a non-factor, on a winning team.

Your worng.... Don't make comments if you were not apart of that team.... Obvioulsy you were not by making that statement.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly my point.... you just proved how idiotic The parents are. Complete morons. Let's see what club you get cut from next year. I noticed many of these parents forgot to mention that they didn't exactly leave their respective clubs. Many were not asked to come back. It sounds so much better to blame everyone else. I am leaving a winning team because my kid didn't play and the coaching was horrible.
You can't be a winning team if the coaching is horrible. You can however be a non-factor, on a winning team.

Yes you can just ask the members of Crabs 2023!!! This mass exodus from the team was not based on playing time; it was based on the lack of developing players and very poor coaching. Have you even spoken to the parents that left????? Completely clueless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly my point.... you just proved how idiotic The parents are. Complete morons. Let's see what club you get cut from next year. I noticed many of these parents forgot to mention that they didn't exactly leave their respective clubs. Many were not asked to come back. It sounds so much better to blame everyone else. I am leaving a winning team because my kid didn't play and the coaching was horrible.
You can't be a winning team if the coaching is horrible. You can however be a non-factor, on a winning team.

Yes you can just ask the members of Crabs 2023!!! This mass exodus from the team was not based on playing time; it was based on the lack of developing players and very poor coaching. Have you even spoken to the parents that left????? Completely clueless.

I would agree - the parents that left are completely clueless. Good luck playing for MM, or Looney's, or FCA (where you really won't get any playing time).

But you said it was a very talented team? How can you be both underdeveloped and talented? You're mad because you put your kid on a competitive team. The outcome wasn't what you expected. You asked for feedback and you got the truth. You didn't want to hear it and you are leaving the club. Not everyone is cut out to play on a competitive, winning team. It's not the kids that can't handle the facts! It's the parents that can't handle the facts! Until you are honest about your kids abilities you are always going to be unhappy. Every kid on that team is/ was a good lacrosse player. If anything you should be mad at yourself.

No, I don't ask the [lacrosse] dad's with their red solo cups and stop watches about their feelings. Same s;&@ different sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 and Crabs sure seem to be a real sh*t show... Looks like Looney's, FCA, Hawks, Club Blue, and Bethesday reaping the benefits of poorly coached teams

Biggest mistake a parent can make is accepting a spot for their son on 23 Crabs. There is a reason a bunch of us left.

Ditto

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

A few players leaving, you could say they were disgruntled over playing time or whatever. But more than half the team leaving, including the boys that got most of the playing time, something else at play there.

Coaches & management just don't want to accept there were problems starting with them. Behind-the-scenes politics was shameful, starting with the Dad on the coaching staff. Perhaps they will use this as an opportunity to right their ship.

Most people had already decided that they wouldn't be coming back. But knowing that they were supposed to be getting new coaches, they showed up at tryouts to give one last consideration. But when they showed up and saw the promised "blind" tryout had last year's coaches as evaluators, they turned around and left. Likely they had chosen the team before they ever even started. Complete lack of professionalism and integrity.

A number of local clubs just got a little bit better adding these kids to their teams. Should make for some competitive games!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

A few players leaving, you could say they were disgruntled over playing time or whatever. But more than half the team leaving, including the boys that got most of the playing time, something else at play there.

Coaches & management just don't want to accept there were problems starting with them. Behind-the-scenes politics was shameful, starting with the Dad on the coaching staff. Perhaps they will use this as an opportunity to right their ship.

Most people had already decided that they wouldn't be coming back. But knowing that they were supposed to be getting new coaches, they showed up at tryouts to give one last consideration. But when they showed up and saw the promised "blind" tryout had last year's coaches as evaluators, they turned around and left. Likely they had chosen the team before they ever even started. Complete lack of professionalism and integrity.

A number of local clubs just got a little bit better adding these kids to their teams. Should make for some competitive games!

Yeah, not much fun when you run every play to get the coach's son a shot. we should have left after the 1st year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

A few players leaving, you could say they were disgruntled over playing time or whatever. But more than half the team leaving, including the boys that got most of the playing time, something else at play there.

Coaches & management just don't want to accept there were problems starting with them. Behind-the-scenes politics was shameful, starting with the Dad on the coaching staff. Perhaps they will use this as an opportunity to right their ship.

Most people had already decided that they wouldn't be coming back. But knowing that they were supposed to be getting new coaches, they showed up at tryouts to give one last consideration. But when they showed up and saw the promised "blind" tryout had last year's coaches as evaluators, they turned around and left. Likely they had chosen the team before they ever even started. Complete lack of professionalism and integrity.

A number of local clubs just got a little bit better adding these kids to their teams. Should make for some competitive games!

Yeah, not much fun when you run every play to get the coach's son a shot. we should have left after the 1st year

Talking about Crabs or MM teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

A few players leaving, you could say they were disgruntled over playing time or whatever. But more than half the team leaving, including the boys that got most of the playing time, something else at play there.

Coaches & management just don't want to accept there were problems starting with them. Behind-the-scenes politics was shameful, starting with the Dad on the coaching staff. Perhaps they will use this as an opportunity to right their ship.

Most people had already decided that they wouldn't be coming back. But knowing that they were supposed to be getting new coaches, they showed up at tryouts to give one last consideration. But when they showed up and saw the promised "blind" tryout had last year's coaches as evaluators, they turned around and left. Likely they had chosen the team before they ever even started. Complete lack of professionalism and integrity.

A number of local clubs just got a little bit better adding these kids to their teams. Should make for some competitive games!

Yeah, not much fun when you run every play to get the coach's son a shot. we should have left after the 1st year

1St game of the last tournament.. Head Coach screamed several times at the boys.. "why don't you play more like(My favorite player). Happened many times during the season. He might as well kicked every player on that team in the nuts. This lead to the most lopsided loss in this teams history and no one seemed to care. Great players and parents... we learned a lot... Time to rebuild the confidence and move on. Many of these parents are coaches and involved with multiple sports... not our first rodeo.....Lacrosse is much bigger than a coach or a program....Crabs will be fine and the ones that left will be fine... If I am Crabs I am trying to get those boys back...

To all of the parents and kids who left a winning team because their feelings were hurt... hold on to all of
Those championship t-shirts that you didn't earn...because you won't be seeing many more!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all of the parents and kids who left a winning team because their feelings were hurt... hold on to all of
Those championship t-shirts that you didn't earn...because you won't be seeing many more!

Sounds just like somthing Flat Brim would say...

Sounds just like something Steele would say or is it Johnson?

Don't cry nugget!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is crabs 2023 is imploding...

A few players leaving, you could say they were disgruntled over playing time or whatever. But more than half the team leaving, including the boys that got most of the playing time, something else at play there.

Coaches & management just don't want to accept there were problems starting with them. Behind-the-scenes politics was shameful, starting with the Dad on the coaching staff. Perhaps they will use this as an opportunity to right their ship.

Most people had already decided that they wouldn't be coming back. But knowing that they were supposed to be getting new coaches, they showed up at tryouts to give one last consideration. But when they showed up and saw the promised "blind" tryout had last year's coaches as evaluators, they turned around and left. Likely they had chosen the team before they ever even started. Complete lack of professionalism and integrity.

A number of local clubs just got a little bit better adding these kids to their teams. Should make for some competitive games!

Whoever wrote this gets it.....Thank you for this

Wow... Parents really should not drink and post on BOTC.... Although wildly entertaining.....This stuff is embarrasing..whomever is doing this should be embarrased and you are definitely not helping the situation for anyone involved. There are kids that have left and kids that have stayed who still love and respect each other....Please stop this nonsense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all of the parents and kids who left a winning team because their feelings were hurt... hold on to all of
Those championship t-shirts that you didn't earn...because you won't be seeing many more!

Got that right..I would rather be on a team with screaming coach while belittling players that wins a Championship, than any team that only wins some and loses some with a respectful coach teaching the game, fundamentals and respect...Yep thats more important to my 7th grader and his future.... Championship T shirts!!!

Honestly reading the back and forth between Crab coaches/parents and parents taking shots at kids on 91 reaffirms my decision to walk away from club lacrosse and get back to rec and my community. Absolutely embarrassing on both sides.

[quote=Anonymous]Honestly reading the back and forth between Crab coaches/parents and parents taking shots at kids on 91 reaffirms my decision to walk away from club lacrosse and get back to rec and my community. Absolutely embarrassing on both sides. [/quote

Sorry your boy didn't make a team, you can coach him now in rec.

Bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honestly reading the back and forth between Crab coaches/parents and parents taking shots at kids on 91 reaffirms my decision to walk away from club lacrosse and get back to rec and my community. Absolutely embarrassing on both sides. [/quote

Sorry your boy didn't make a team, you can coach him now in rec.

Bye

Thank you for reaffirming my decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Honestly reading the back and forth between Crab coaches/parents and parents taking shots at kids on 91 reaffirms my decision to walk away from club lacrosse and get back to rec and my community. Absolutely embarrassing on both sides. [/quote

Sorry your boy didn't make a team, you can coach him now in rec.

Bye

Thank you for reaffirming my decision.

Bye

The only thing I am not seeing on this forum is parents taking responsibility for their actions. When you should have defended your son to a coach, when you should have had a meaningful conversation with the coach, when you should have gone back and told the coach how you and your son were feeling about a situation....you did not. You considered it taking the high road. Somehow coming on this forum and bashing the coaches and the coaches kids is making you feel better about all of the things you should have done for your kids and DID NOT. Let that be a lesson to all of you. Sitting on the sidelines and drinking and talking s($@ and not having the guts, dignity or self respect to defend your child is your problem. Timing your kids play time, whining, complaining, drinking and all around s()& talking from parents makes you no better than any coach, kid or club that you are bashing on this forum. You learn from this! The only people that are hurt from this are the kids. Attitudes are the forerunners of conditions! You parents...you learn from this!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow... Parents really should not drink and post on BOTC.... Although wildly entertaining.....This stuff is embarrasing..whomever is doing this should be embarrased and you are definitely not helping the situation for anyone involved. There are kids that have left and kids that have stayed who still love and respect each other....Please stop this nonsense

While I agree with you, I am hope to think that most of the kids in 2023 group do not read BOTC and if they did many would laugh at how much the parents care. My son has friends on competing clubs and made new friends through camps and other teams ect.... On the morning of one of his tournaments he was getting a lot of texts and instagram posts in a group talking trash about him and his team and guess what? The kids are way better at it than the adults. They were at least funny and he let me read some of them. It actually motivated him to play harder, the trash talking was rough but they new it was good spirited almost like an honor. Hater's gonna hate, and he was very happy to see the kids during and after the game. We should follow their lead.

Crabs brought in guest players throughout the spring tournament season and when you look at their brackets, surprise they always managed to have the easiest draw and road to the championship game (direct for parents on the team). It's a business for them pure and simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only thing I am not seeing on this forum is parents taking responsibility for their actions. When you should have defended your son to a coach, when you should have had a meaningful conversation with the coach, when you should have gone back and told the coach how you and your son were feeling about a situation....you did not. You considered it taking the high road. Somehow coming on this forum and bashing the coaches and the coaches kids is making you feel better about all of the things you should have done for your kids and DID NOT. Let that be a lesson to all of you. Sitting on the sidelines and drinking and talking s($@ and not having the guts, dignity or self respect to defend your child is your problem. Timing your kids play time, whining, complaining, drinking and all around s()& talking from parents makes you no better than any coach, kid or club that you are bashing on this forum. You learn from this! The only people that are hurt from this are the kids. Attitudes are the forerunners of conditions! You parents...you learn from this!

Uhhg.. Glad it was posted here instead of that cringeworthy email that you sent to parents after the season last year.. Flat brims wife checking in on the mess... One more to H!

Perhaps you should know the history before you stand on your soap box and preach. Think it can be agreed that parents want the best experience for their son. This crabs 2023 team had the best chemistry amongst the parents as well as the boys. One of the reasons it was successful.

best to you on that team. I would rather raise my son with confidence,respect and integrity but if the tshirts help you sleep at night when the championship is forgotten the next day.

Sorry, buit if a player is the best offensive weapon on a team, you get him the ball as much as possible. That is why the 2023 Crabs were one of the country's best teams.

Sorry that bothered many of you. Good luck on your new teams this year.

1MOR2H

Thanks Flat brim

This is just a bunch of upset dad's stirring the pot. Writing posts to get a reaction. Many of the coaches, parents and players were a class act. The few that are gone are just acts. Just reading these ridiculous posts prove it. Hope you're having fun at Hillendale.

This is a site for disgruntled parents who's kids get cut from teams! You all should get together and coach a team since you're so great! You can call it "B" team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1MOR2H

Hilarious!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1MOR2H

This was on Flat brims license plate... Deal breaker for us..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry, buit if a player is the best offensive weapon on a team, you get him the ball as much as possible. That is why the 2023 Crabs were one of the country's best teams.

Sorry that bothered many of you. Good luck on your new teams this year.

#24 not #10

Dumb....

Off the team but still trying to pit kids against one another! Sounds like a good group of parents to me. Still so mad that you are on here posting. Sounds like you are really happy about not being on the team! We can all see just how happy you are. It is really obvious that you have moved on.

Sad part. .... half of these posts are from parents and families still on this team or part of Crabs. The ones who choose to not try out - it was just that a choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Off the team but still trying to pit kids against one another! Sounds like a good group of parents to me. Still so mad that you are on here posting. Sounds like you are really happy about not being on the team! We can all see just how happy you are. It is really obvious that you have moved on.

Actually we are just trying to inform those who would consider this program to simply not apply!! Losing more than 1/2 the team should tell you as a coach and wife of a coach something.

It's not sad...it's scary! Imagine the kids that are being talked about and the anger these adults have towards them!

Lol......just heard from a friend trying out for Hawks that flat brim and his son are at Hawks tryout today. Good luck with that Hawks!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol......just heard from a friend trying out for Hawks that flat brim and his son are at Hawks tryout today. Good luck with that Hawks!!

New low for Brim and Crabs. Brim working sidelines trying to recruit kids to Crabs. Crabs getting desperate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol......just heard from a friend trying out for Hawks that flat brim and his son are at Hawks tryout today. Good luck with that Hawks!!

100% true.
Makes sense.
Hawks = "Daddyball"

Does flat brim have tats/looks like a thug?

word on the street... Brim's kid crushed it and Johnson's kid got cut after the first try out!

Yes, he has tattoos all over his arms and legs. Looks more like a biker than a thug.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

word on the street... Brim's kid crushed it and Johnson's kid got cut after the first try out!

Brim's kid already registered for Crabs.

To whomever is getting great pleasure of creating a [lacrosse] storm for Crabs and the kids that moved on.. Please stop.. kids left and stayed for different reasons... Chill... a lot of no good is coming from this. Crabs will be fine and the kids that moved on will be fine. Relax people and stop character assasinating. No good comes from this. Coaches did a good job and kids that moved on are players. Give it a rest. A lot of feelings are getting hurt and kids that moved on are getting a bad rap...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To whomever is getting great pleasure of creating a [lacrosse] storm for Crabs and the kids that moved on.. Please stop.. kids left and stayed for different reasons... Chill... a lot of no good is coming from this. Crabs will be fine and the kids that moved on will be fine. Relax people and stop character assasinating. No good comes from this. Coaches did a good job and kids that moved on are players. Give it a rest. A lot of feelings are getting hurt and kids that moved on are getting a bad rap...

Amen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To whomever is getting great pleasure of creating a [lacrosse] storm for Crabs and the kids that moved on.. Please stop.. kids left and stayed for different reasons... Chill... a lot of no good is coming from this. Crabs will be fine and the kids that moved on will be fine. Relax people and stop character assasinating. No good comes from this. Coaches did a good job and kids that moved on are players. Give it a rest. A lot of feelings are getting hurt and kids that moved on are getting a bad rap...

Amen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To whomever is getting great pleasure of creating a [lacrosse] storm for Crabs and the kids that moved on.. Please stop.. kids left and stayed for different reasons... Chill... a lot of no good is coming from this. Crabs will be fine and the kids that moved on will be fine. Relax people and stop character assasinating. No good comes from this. Coaches did a good job and kids that moved on are players. Give it a rest. A lot of feelings are getting hurt and kids that moved on are getting a bad rap...

Yea..but this Flat Brim guy seems to be getting a lot of attention from his fan base! He has quite a few loyal followers who watch his every move !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

word on the street... Brim's kid crushed it and Johnson's kid got cut after the first try out!

The kid made FCA and didn’t go back for Hawks afterwards...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

word on the street... Brim's kid crushed it and Johnson's kid got cut after the first try out!

Brim's kid already registered for Crabs.

Doesn't matter. He is trying hard to get his kid on Hawks.

Like he has to "try"...

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To whomever is getting great pleasure of creating a [lacrosse] storm for Crabs and the kids that moved on.. Please stop.. kids left and stayed for different reasons... Chill... a lot of no good is coming from this. Crabs will be fine and the kids that moved on will be fine. Relax people and stop character assasinating. No good comes from this. Coaches did a good job and kids that moved on are players. Give it a rest. A lot of feelings are getting hurt and kids that moved on are getting a bad rap...

Sad to see what is going on on this site - especially the hostile comments specific families and kids. My son had a great time on this team and made some very good friends. Change is the only constant, especially at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

What should they do differently

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

So which organization do you belong too? There is no better run club than the Hawks and there is no better run tournaments than Hogans. Only people that write garbage like that are the ones who are no longer part of the club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

So which organization do you belong too? There is no better run club than the Hawks and there is no better run tournaments than Hogans. Only people that write garbage like that are the ones who are no longer part of the club.

You do know they had record numbers for all age groups at try outs. They were the most successful club this year in Maryland across the board at every age group . All most all of there 2nd teams won championships this year in multiple events. You do know that the Daddy ball is because the daddy coaches are more qualified to coach than any other club coaches. And yes, the Redneck parents are just as important to the clubs success as the players, coaches and other non rednecks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

So which organization do you belong too? There is no better run club than the Hawks and there is no better run tournaments than Hogans. Only people that write garbage like that are the ones who are no longer part of the club.

I bet you fall into the redneck parent category.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

So which organization do you belong too? There is no better run club than the Hawks and there is no better run tournaments than Hogans. Only people that write garbage like that are the ones who are no longer part of the club.

You do know they had record numbers for all age groups at try outs. They were the most successful club this year in Maryland across the board at every age group . All most all of there 2nd teams won championships this year in multiple events. You do know that the Daddy ball is because the daddy coaches are more qualified to coach than any other club coaches. And yes, the Redneck parents are just as important to the clubs success as the players, coaches and other non rednecks.

They have record numbers at tryouts because their black teams are glorified rec teams. They have championships for all those black teams because Hogan stacks his tournaments so his teams play weaker competition. They weren't the most successful club across all ages - maybe at 2022 but that's it. If those daddy coaches are so qualified then they should just have them coach a different team and not oversee their own kids. And the redneck parents are an embarrassment to the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

So which organization do you belong too? There is no better run club than the Hawks and there is no better run tournaments than Hogans. Only people that write garbage like that are the ones who are no longer part of the club.

You do know they had record numbers for all age groups at try outs. They were the most successful club this year in Maryland across the board at every age group . All most all of there 2nd teams won championships this year in multiple events. You do know that the Daddy ball is because the daddy coaches are more qualified to coach than any other club coaches. And yes, the Redneck parents are just as important to the clubs success as the players, coaches and other non rednecks.

They have record numbers at tryouts because their black teams are glorified rec teams. They have championships for all those black teams because Hogan stacks his tournaments so his teams play weaker competition. They weren't the most successful club across all ages - maybe at 2022 but that's it. If those daddy coaches are so qualified then they should just have them coach a different team and not oversee their own kids. And the redneck parents are an embarrassment to the game.

Classic response from a bitter parent. Black teams played up in age or grade in 90% of the tournaments they played in. Since you are so one sided here why don't you say what club you represent? Yes, they were the most successful club this year and most years. This is a fact that is well documented and not up for debate. Funny, how Hogan tournaments attract hundreds of teams each year to tournaments all over the country they stack in favor of their black or 2nd teams. Amusing statements from a bitter parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks is a class organization. We went to all three tryouts and can tell you that I have never seen that much talent on a middle school field in 10 years of lacrosse. The Crabs kid, lefty is outstanding but I know that his father brings some issues. This is not new for any top organization. The dad will either have to get in line or his kid will go to the back of it. I am not a Hawk dad but know good lacrosse when I see it.

Hawks are about as far from a class organization as you can get. Daddy ball, favoritism, Hogan is a complete a$$, redneck parents, etc.

So which organization do you belong too? There is no better run club than the Hawks and there is no better run tournaments than Hogans. Only people that write garbage like that are the ones who are no longer part of the club.

You do know they had record numbers for all age groups at try outs. They were the most successful club this year in Maryland across the board at every age group . All most all of there 2nd teams won championships this year in multiple events. You do know that the Daddy ball is because the daddy coaches are more qualified to coach than any other club coaches. And yes, the Redneck parents are just as important to the clubs success as the players, coaches and other non rednecks.

They have record numbers at tryouts because their black teams are glorified rec teams. They have championships for all those black teams because Hogan stacks his tournaments so his teams play weaker competition. They weren't the most successful club across all ages - maybe at 2022 but that's it. If those daddy coaches are so qualified then they should just have them coach a different team and not oversee their own kids. And the redneck parents are an embarrassment to the game.

The 2018 Black team has always been competitive, the coach's son plays on the Green team, the 2021 Black team is also a competitive team, led by two former Navy Captain's, the head coach doesn't have a son on the team. You should know what you are talking about before you act like you do. Your comment about redneck parents doesn't deserve a response.

Which are the elite clubs at 2023 after tryouts and which are consider bottom of the barrel? I would be curious to what those with actual knowledge have to say.

If the Hawks were so good then why did they only win one division in Naptown, their premier tournament? They even brought in guest players (ringers) to try to win and they couldn't.

My son played on a black team and then a green team for a couple of years. And no, the black teams do not play up. They are purely money makers for hogan.

I agree with the previous poster about the redneck parents. They are the worst.

No guest players for hawks 2023 green, my son is on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which are the elite clubs at 2023 after tryouts and which are consider bottom of the barrel? I would be curious to what those with actual knowledge have to say.

If you are coming on this site to get actual knowledge, you need your head examined.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which are the elite clubs at 2023 after tryouts and which are consider bottom of the barrel? I would be curious to what those with actual knowledge have to say.

If you are coming on this site to get actual knowledge, you need your head examined.

Now that is hilarious!!! I was hoping to change the subject and actually start talking about lacrosse but your point is well taken sir!!!

From what I have seen:
Hawks- A powerhouse
Looney- Benefited from Crabs more than anyone else
Crabs- They reload, give them time
FCA- Always good and benefited from Crabs as well
Team 91- Improving
DiamondBacks, SouthRiver- Maybe taking the next step
Hereford and Howard County- Next level for rec programs
Koopers, Rock, RoughRiders continue to struggle

Just my two cents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Hawks were so good then why did they only win one division in Naptown, their premier tournament? They even brought in guest players (ringers) to try to win and they couldn't.

My son played on a black team and then a green team for a couple of years. And no, the black teams do not play up. They are purely money makers for hogan.

I agree with the previous poster about the redneck parents. They are the worst.

Again, bitterness

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Hawks were so good then why did they only win one division in Naptown, their premier tournament? They even brought in guest players (ringers) to try to win and they couldn't.

My son played on a black team and then a green team for a couple of years. And no, the black teams do not play up. They are purely money makers for hogan.

I agree with the previous poster about the redneck parents. They are the worst.

Again, bitterness

Only 1?

Naptown is the National Championship that all the best clubs attend. Any club that wins any division is extraordinary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I have seen:
Hawks- A powerhouse
Looney- Benefited from Crabs more than anyone else
Crabs- They reload, give them time
FCA- Always good and benefited from Crabs as well
Team 91- Improving
DiamondBacks, SouthRiver- Maybe taking the next step
Hereford and Howard County- Next level for rec programs
Koopers, Rock, RoughRiders continue to struggle

Just my two cents

Reading between the lines on this board...Does seem accurate

HoCo should drop 89+2 and RR to A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Hawks were so good then why did they only win one division in Naptown, their premier tournament? They even brought in guest players (ringers) to try to win and they couldn't.

My son played on a black team and then a green team for a couple of years. And no, the black teams do not play up. They are purely money makers for hogan.

I agree with the previous poster about the redneck parents. They are the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Hawks were so good then why did they only win one division in Naptown, their premier tournament? They even brought in guest players (ringers) to try to win and they couldn't.

My son played on a black team and then a green team for a couple of years. And no, the black teams do not play up. They are purely money makers for hogan.

I agree with the previous poster about the redneck parents. They are the worst.

no guest players on 2018, try again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo should drop 89+2 and RR to A

HOCO should make South River and Cavalier move up. They have been sandbagging with hold backs for 2 years now.

HOCO goes to four division this year. Elite AA A B. madlax RR and 89+2 should stay in AA. South River and Cavaliers should move up to AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO goes to four division this year. Elite AA A B. madlax RR and 89+2 should stay in AA. South River and Cavaliers should move up to AA.

Inevitably who makes this call; HOCO or the Club Team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO goes to four division this year. Elite AA A B. madlax RR and 89+2 should stay in AA. South River and Cavaliers should move up to AA.

Looney's should drop as well, 2 wins in last two years in HoCo. Madlax has more wins than Looney's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO goes to four division this year. Elite AA A B. madlax RR and 89+2 should stay in AA. South River and Cavaliers should move up to AA.

Looney's should drop as well, 2 wins in last two years in HoCo. Madlax has more wins than Looney's

Last year they had wins over Club Blue, Madlax, Next Level & FCA during spring or summer. Do you want a league with just 4 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO goes to four division this year. Elite AA A B. madlax RR and 89+2 should stay in AA. South River and Cavaliers should move up to AA.

Looney's should drop as well, 2 wins in last two years in HoCo. Madlax has more wins than Looney's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO goes to four division this year. Elite AA A B. madlax RR and 89+2 should stay in AA. South River and Cavaliers should move up to AA.

Looney's should drop as well, 2 wins in last two years in HoCo. Madlax has more wins than Looney's

Looney's is going to be the TOP TEAM in HOCO this year just watch!! Team 91 and RR should play down for sure.

Looneys added some talent so should be fine in elite. Elite should be Crabs, Hawks, Club Blue, Next Level, FCA, BLC, Looneys - anyone else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys added some talent so should be fine in elite. Elite should be Crabs, Hawks, Club Blue, Next Level, FCA, BLC, Looneys - anyone else?

Regardless of who is in the Elite division, it should be 8 teams that play each other (7 games), which may require 1 or 2 night games to complete them in the Lax Season window. HOCO Please listen!!!! We can't continue to have teams loose playoff tie-breaks because they played MD91 and RR (strength of schedule), while the other team did not.

Limit the team and make them play each other......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO goes to four division this year. Elite AA A B. madlax RR and 89+2 should stay in AA. South River and Cavaliers should move up to AA.

Looney's should drop as well, 2 wins in last two years in HoCo. Madlax has more wins than Looney's

Troll post...No one from Looneys would claim that.... Stop stirring the pot

Just those 7. And all teams play each other. Top 4 make the playoffs. Simple. Fair and balanced. Can't complain that other teams had advantage playing weak and winless RR and/or 89+1. That assumes Looneys improves over there 2-10 record the prior two years.

The entire "Elite" concept is just silly. It demonstrates the power of the clubs to control what HoCo does. Clubs must market themselves as "AA" which also just stupid. It should be AA, A, B, and C. I agree that relegation makes sense if the club has a consistent pattern of losing in an age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Classic response from a bitter parent. Black teams played up in age or grade in 90% of the tournaments they played in. Since you are so one sided here why don't you say what club you represent? Yes, they were the most successful club this year and most years. This is a fact that is well documented and not up for debate. Funny, how Hogan tournaments attract hundreds of teams each year to tournaments all over the country they stack in favor of their black or 2nd teams. Amusing statements from a bitter parent.

Those black teams were so good that Hogan killed all of them but 2 this year. Left all of those kids in a tough spot making that decision after most tryouts are over for all the other clubs. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The entire "Elite" concept is just silly. It demonstrates the power of the clubs to control what HoCo does. Clubs must market themselves as "AA" which also just stupid. It should be AA, A, B, and C. I agree that relegation makes sense if the club has a consistent pattern of losing in an age group.

I think it was more so they didn't have to call the lowest division C.

Crabs 2023 just reloaded. Upgrades or solid additions across the board. Goal, Defense, Midfield, and Attack. And an incredible coaching staff on top of that.

The kids cut from other AA teams really improved crabs. Who cares. Yellow helmet is tarnished.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 just reloaded. Upgrades or solid additions across the board. Goal, Defense, Midfield, and Attack. And an incredible coaching staff on top of that.

Must be a new parent, wait until the end of the season and then we can talk.

Get a life loser - solid upgrades or additions across the board? I bet in your youth you read comic books and collected baseball cards but did not play a sport? You are a loser dad and I bet your son repeated 6th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 just reloaded. Upgrades or solid additions across the board. Goal, Defense, Midfield, and Attack. And an incredible coaching staff on top of that.

I see they list the head coaches of Loyola and St Paul's as assistants for 2023. Are they saying those guys are going to coaching full time for this team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 just reloaded. Upgrades or solid additions across the board. Goal, Defense, Midfield, and Attack. And an incredible coaching staff on top of that.

I see they list the head coaches of Loyola and St Paul's as assistants for 2023. Are they saying those guys are going to coaching full time for this team?

More than likely their sons?/relatives? are on the team and they will help out when they can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 just reloaded. Upgrades or solid additions across the board. Goal, Defense, Midfield, and Attack. And an incredible coaching staff on top of that.

My grandmother called and said she got an invite from Crabs and was wondering if she should accept.

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs 2023 just reloaded. Upgrades or solid additions across the board. Goal, Defense, Midfield, and Attack. And an incredible coaching staff on top of that. [/quote

Hahaha. That is why brim and crew are nonstop recruiting kids who were 3rd string last year to come back...and that is in between getting rejected from the Hawks, who wanted no part of his nonsense. I wonder how the crabs like him going there and trying so hard for a spot after registering for crabs. Bottom line is that as long as brim is there, the team will not be the same.

Sounds like an upset dad just realized that their kid got replaced by bigger, better and faster. I think it's funny they think they have the power to tarnish anyone's reputation.
You come on an anonymous forum to talk crap about other people. You try to talk to anyone face to face and they laugh because they can actually see who it's coming from.

I am assuming the parents that moved on to Looneys, FCA and team91 didn't notice that all of the coaches are dad's?! Weird that you keep mentionioning daddy ball and coaches who are relatives. Every 2023 team has a dad coach except for crabs. They have high school coaches. Cannot go wrong with having those outstanding coaches!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Classic response from a bitter parent. Black teams played up in age or grade in 90% of the tournaments they played in. Since you are so one sided here why don't you say what club you represent? Yes, they were the most successful club this year and most years. This is a fact that is well documented and not up for debate. Funny, how Hogan tournaments attract hundreds of teams each year to tournaments all over the country they stack in favor of their black or 2nd teams. Amusing statements from a bitter parent.

Those black teams were so good that Hogan killed all of them but 2 this year. Left all of those kids in a tough spot making that decision after most tryouts are over for all the other clubs. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

Bitter, uninformed little man

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am assuming the parents that moved on to Looneys, FCA and team91 didn't notice that all of the coaches are dad's?! Weird that you keep mentionioning daddy ball and coaches who are relatives. Every 2023 team has a dad coach except for crabs. They have high school coaches. Cannot go wrong with having those outstanding coaches!

I am assuming that you didn't realize that no one cares about this crap anymore and that you should move on... Everyone who is gone or stayed is happy with their decision....Move along

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Classic response from a bitter parent. Black teams played up in age or grade in 90% of the tournaments they played in. Since you are so one sided here why don't you say what club you represent? Yes, they were the most successful club this year and most years. This is a fact that is well documented and not up for debate. Funny, how Hogan tournaments attract hundreds of teams each year to tournaments all over the country they stack in favor of their black or 2nd teams. Amusing statements from a bitter parent.

Those black teams were so good that Hogan killed all of them but 2 this year. Left all of those kids in a tough spot making that decision after most tryouts are over for all the other clubs. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

Bitter, uninformed little man

You must be talking about hogan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am assuming the parents that moved on to Looneys, FCA and team91 didn't notice that all of the coaches are dad's?! Weird that you keep mentionioning daddy ball and coaches who are relatives. Every 2023 team has a dad coach except for crabs. They have high school coaches. Cannot go wrong with having those outstanding coaches!

I am assuming that you didn't realize that no one cares about this crap anymore and that you should move on... Everyone who is gone or stayed is happy with their decision....Move along

Some of them have returned to Crabs from both Looneys and team91...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Classic response from a bitter parent. Black teams played up in age or grade in 90% of the tournaments they played in. Since you are so one sided here why don't you say what club you represent? Yes, they were the most successful club this year and most years. This is a fact that is well documented and not up for debate. Funny, how Hogan tournaments attract hundreds of teams each year to tournaments all over the country they stack in favor of their black or 2nd teams. Amusing statements from a bitter parent.

Those black teams were so good that Hogan killed all of them but 2 this year. Left all of those kids in a tough spot making that decision after most tryouts are over for all the other clubs. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

Bitter, uninformed little man

You must be talking about hogan.

bwahahaha love it! #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am assuming the parents that moved on to Looneys, FCA and team91 didn't notice that all of the coaches are dad's?! Weird that you keep mentionioning daddy ball and coaches who are relatives. Every 2023 team has a dad coach except for crabs. They have high school coaches. Cannot go wrong with having those outstanding coaches!

I am assuming that you didn't realize that no one cares about this crap anymore and that you should move on... Everyone who is gone or stayed is happy with their decision....Move along

Some of them have returned to Crabs from both Looneys and team91...

Must have realized that the grass isn't greener on the other side with 91 and Looney's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am assuming the parents that moved on to Looneys, FCA and team91 didn't notice that all of the coaches are dad's?! Weird that you keep mentionioning daddy ball and coaches who are relatives. Every 2023 team has a dad coach except for crabs. They have high school coaches. Cannot go wrong with having those outstanding coaches!

I am assuming that you didn't realize that no one cares about this crap anymore and that you should move on... Everyone who is gone or stayed is happy with their decision....Move along

Some of them have returned to Crabs from both Looneys and team91...

Must have realized that the grass isn't greener on the other side with 91 and Looney's.

There are good coaches, and there are bad coaches, and being a Dad has nothing to do with it. If you let your status as a Dad negatively affect your coaching, than at the very least, you have room for improvement, or perhaps you you are just bad. Thank god for all of the great coaches out there, volunteering their time in youth sports, Dads or not.

Those black teams were so good that Hogan killed all of them but 2 this year. Left all of those kids in a tough spot making that decision after most tryouts are over for all the other clubs. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck [/quote]

Bitter, uninformed little man
[/quote]

You must be talking about hogan.[/quote]

bwahahaha love it! #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck[/quote]

don't post a reply, wait two hours and then reply to yourself pretending to be someone else, pretty transparent, go grind your ax somewhere else

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those black teams were so good that Hogan killed all of them but 2 this year. Left all of those kids in a tough spot making that decision after most tryouts are over for all the other clubs. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

Bitter, uninformed little man
[/quote]

You must be talking about hogan.[/quote]

bwahahaha love it! #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck[/quote]

don't post a reply, wait two hours and then reply to yourself pretending to be someone else, pretty transparent, go grind your ax somewhere else
[/quote]

Well I'm not sure who the hashtag guy is but I'm the one who posted the comment that you must be talking about hogan. I'm not sure I have ever even used a hashtag before. Nice try though. Don't let him get under your skin, that's what he is trying to do.

2023 Rankings

Crabs
Club Blue
FCA/Hawks/Next Level - These team I believe are all on the same level; I would lean towards FCA
Looney's
BLC
Madlax
RR
Team 91

Thoughts........now don't jump down my throat I am just offering an opinion which is the purpose of the forum; to generate logical and intelligent discussion.

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 Rankings

Crabs
Club Blue
FCA/Hawks/Next Level - These team I believe are all on the same level; I would lean towards FCA
Looney's
BLC
Madlax
RR
Team 91

Thoughts........now don't jump down my throat I am just offering an opinion which is the purpose of the forum; to generate logical and intelligent discussion.

Playing field a lot more even now that Crabs was dimantled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 Rankings

Crabs
Club Blue
FCA/Hawks/Next Level - These team I believe are all on the same level; I would lean towards FCA
Looney's
BLC
Madlax
RR
Team 91

Thoughts........now don't jump down my throat I am just offering an opinion which is the purpose of the forum; to generate logical and intelligent discussion.

I would say Hawks are clearly the team to beat. They finished the summer on a roll and beat a lot of good teams pretty handily. Behind them would be Club Blue who won the league last year. After that, it is tough to separate any of the teams, especially with all of the player movement that seems to happen every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Regardless of the drama that has followed the Crabs 2023 Team this club at this age group seems to simply reload every year so to have them at #1 should not be a surprise to anyone. Look out for FCA and Looney's this year; both teams added a ton of new talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Regardless of the drama that has followed the Crabs 2023 Team this club at this age group seems to simply reload every year so to have them at #1 should not be a surprise to anyone. Look out for FCA and Looney's this year; both teams added a ton of new talent.

Is Flat Brim out as the coach? Where did they go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 Rankings

Crabs
Club Blue
FCA/Hawks/Next Level - These team I believe are all on the same level; I would lean towards FCA
Looney's
BLC
Madlax
RR
Team 91

Thoughts........now don't jump down my throat I am just offering an opinion which is the purpose of the forum; to generate logical and intelligent discussion.

Playing field a lot more even now that Crabs was dimantled.

Yeah, they may go 44-3 this year instead of 45-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Regardless of the drama that has followed the Crabs 2023 Team this club at this age group seems to simply reload every year so to have them at #1 should not be a surprise to anyone. Look out for FCA and Looney's this year; both teams added a ton of new talent.

Is Flat Brim out as the coach? Where did they go?

Don't worry you will see plenty of Flat Brim at Crabs games, he'll be sitting next to you trying to recruit your kid. I feel sorry for the kids that backfilled that roster.

LOL. Madlax 2023 sucks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Madlax 2023 sucks.

Not as bad as RR and 89+2; those 3 need to move down in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Haha! Oh, you're right. The new players all so much better than #24. Definite upgrade. Joke. Either you are blind or just stupid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Regardless of the drama that has followed the Crabs 2023 Team this club at this age group seems to simply reload every year so to have them at #1 should not be a surprise to anyone. Look out for FCA and Looney's this year; both teams added a ton of new talent.

Is Flat Brim out as the coach? Where did they go?

Yes. Out as coach. Kid is still there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Haha! Oh, you're right. The new players all so much better than #24. Definite upgrade. Joke. Either you are blind or just stupid.

Well, we know #24's Dad is on this forum.

How much of a d!co bag do you have to be to not even get an invite from a rival club even though your kid is one of the top 2-3 players there?

Hawks could have seriously upgraded by taking flat brim' s kid and the other crab kid who came from the Hawks.

It was near unanimous that Hawks would rather lose every game than deal with those 2 clown dads. Feel bad for the kids. The ex Hawk kid was telling his former teammates he wanted to stay with Crabs. But good ol daddy knows best!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Must be a new parent....Way to pump up your kid by knocking down others.... You must be so proud

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Haha! Oh, you're right. The new players all so much better than #24. Definite upgrade. Joke. Either you are blind or just stupid.

Well, we know #24's Dad is on this forum.

Especially how upset he got when someone brought up that #24 was now playing 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Haha! Oh, you're right. The new players all so much better than #24. Definite upgrade. Joke. Either you are blind or just stupid.

Well, we know #24's Dad is on this forum.

Not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How much of a d!co bag do you have to be to not even get an invite from a rival club even though your kid is one of the top 2-3 players there?

Hawks could have seriously upgraded by taking flat brim' s kid and the other crab kid who came from the Hawks.

It was near unanimous that Hawks would rather lose every game than deal with those 2 clown dads. Feel bad for the kids. The ex Hawk kid was telling his former teammates he wanted to stay with Crabs. But good ol daddy knows best!!!

No need to feel bad for these kids. Both ended up where they are happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rr and 91 should play one or two levels down. How can you put crabs at the top with a personnel and coaching overhaul?

Crabs lost some potent offensive weapons. But kept their awesome goalie, and upgraded at defense.
Also somehow convinced some kids that committed to other teams to come back. Coaching change will be a HUGE benefit. Was always part of the plan. If club management can eliminate the influence of one particular parent/former coach, they'll be competitive as always.

The players that Crabs picked up are an upgrade compared to any that were lost, on offense and defense.

Haha! Oh, you're right. The new players all so much better than #24. Definite upgrade. Joke. Either you are blind or just stupid.

Well, we know #24's Dad is on this forum.

Especially how upset he got when someone brought up that #24 was now playing 2022.

He is playing up because he is very talented.
He & Hawks kid are two of the best at this age.

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

Where are they playing now

91 definitely should move down if they had to hold a supplemental tryout because of low turnout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

I know the new goalie for 2023 Crabs came from 91; I don't see him starting and possibly sharing time with the current goalie who is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that 91 and RR are clubs that really should be playing A ball; there is nothing wrong with that but these clubs are trying to sell AA status which they are clearly not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

I know the new goalie for 2023 Crabs came from 91; I don't see him starting and possibly sharing time with the current goalie who is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that 91 and RR are clubs that really should be playing A ball; there is nothing wrong with that but these clubs are trying to sell AA status which they are clearly not.

Crabs will struggle next year with the lack of talent. No one can fill the void that #24 is creating by playing up, won't be surprised to see him make some guest appearances in the summer, I imagine he will be back next year. Best talent at face off left the team and one of those who remain probably shouldn't be playing. Goalie situation is sad both kids deserve to start on a team, too bad one will be keeping the bench warm. I'm sure the goalie parents will be best friends by season's end. Remains to be seen if the new kids and those who stuck around can step up to the talent level that left.
Careful what you wish for though if 91 and RR are easy Ws you might want to keep them around because Ws might be hard to come by for this Crabs team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

I know the new goalie for 2023 Crabs came from 91; I don't see him starting and possibly sharing time with the current goalie who is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that 91 and RR are clubs that really should be playing A ball; there is nothing wrong with that but these clubs are trying to sell AA status which they are clearly not.

Crabs will struggle next year with the lack of talent. No one can fill the void that #24 is creating by playing up, won't be surprised to see him make some guest appearances in the summer, I imagine he will be back next year. Best talent at face off left the team and one of those who remain probably shouldn't be playing. Goalie situation is sad both kids deserve to start on a team, too bad one will be keeping the bench warm. I'm sure the goalie parents will be best friends by season's end. Remains to be seen if the new kids and those who stuck around can step up to the talent level that left.
Careful what you wish for though if 91 and RR are easy Ws you might want to keep them around because Ws might be hard to come by for this Crabs team.

I had a fart a couple minutes ago that was more interesting than your drivel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

I know the new goalie for 2023 Crabs came from 91; I don't see him starting and possibly sharing time with the current goalie who is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that 91 and RR are clubs that really should be playing A ball; there is nothing wrong with that but these clubs are trying to sell AA status which they are clearly not.

Crabs will struggle next year with the lack of talent. No one can fill the void that #24 is creating by playing up, won't be surprised to see him make some guest appearances in the summer, I imagine he will be back next year. Best talent at face off left the team and one of those who remain probably shouldn't be playing. Goalie situation is sad both kids deserve to start on a team, too bad one will be keeping the bench warm. I'm sure the goalie parents will be best friends by season's end. Remains to be seen if the new kids and those who stuck around can step up to the talent level that left.
Careful what you wish for though if 91 and RR are easy Ws you might want to keep them around because Ws might be hard to come by for this Crabs team.

So if Crabs is imploding and lacks talent; who is the next big club team at 2023 to take their place? I am seeing a lot of Hawks and FCA love lately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

I know the new goalie for 2023 Crabs came from 91; I don't see him starting and possibly sharing time with the current goalie who is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that 91 and RR are clubs that really should be playing A ball; there is nothing wrong with that but these clubs are trying to sell AA status which they are clearly not.

Crabs will struggle next year with the lack of talent. No one can fill the void that #24 is creating by playing up, won't be surprised to see him make some guest appearances in the summer, I imagine he will be back next year. Best talent at face off left the team and one of those who remain probably shouldn't be playing. Goalie situation is sad both kids deserve to start on a team, too bad one will be keeping the bench warm. I'm sure the goalie parents will be best friends by season's end. Remains to be seen if the new kids and those who stuck around can step up to the talent level that left.
Careful what you wish for though if 91 and RR are easy Ws you might want to keep them around because Ws might be hard to come by for this Crabs team.

So if Crabs is imploding and lacks talent; who is the next big club team at 2023 to take their place? I am seeing a lot of Hawks and FCA love lately.

FCA will still struggle. They do no have the middies to get them up and down the field... Faceoffs will still be a struggle and the goalie situation is not great. Attack will be OK but I hope new kids know that only several kids on the team have the green light to shoot.

Hawks minus their summer guest player is average at best.... Dad/Coach defensemen politics kills this team

Seems to me that there will be 6 or 7 AA teams that could all beat each other on a give day. It will all be settled on the field by kids in the spring. It will be great fun for all unless adults spoil it. Posters are pointing out specific kids by number and position. That used to be against the rules and monitored, Not sure why that changed but seriously - it should stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

I know the new goalie for 2023 Crabs came from 91; I don't see him starting and possibly sharing time with the current goalie who is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that 91 and RR are clubs that really should be playing A ball; there is nothing wrong with that but these clubs are trying to sell AA status which they are clearly not.

Crabs will struggle next year with the lack of talent. No one can fill the void that #24 is creating by playing up, won't be surprised to see him make some guest appearances in the summer, I imagine he will be back next year. Best talent at face off left the team and one of those who remain probably shouldn't be playing. Goalie situation is sad both kids deserve to start on a team, too bad one will be keeping the bench warm. I'm sure the goalie parents will be best friends by season's end. Remains to be seen if the new kids and those who stuck around can step up to the talent level that left.
Careful what you wish for though if 91 and RR are easy Ws you might want to keep them around because Ws might be hard to come by for this Crabs team.

So if Crabs is imploding and lacks talent; who is the next big club team at 2023 to take their place? I am seeing a lot of Hawks and FCA love lately.

FCA will still struggle. They do no have the middies to get them up and down the field... Faceoffs will still be a struggle and the goalie situation is not great. Attack will be OK but I hope new kids know that only several kids on the team have the green light to shoot.

Hawks minus their summer guest player is average at best.... Dad/Coach defensemen politics kills this team

Hawks parent here. Who was our guest player last Summer? News to me. Agree though on the defensive coach. You know it's bad when the attack and middies parents notice it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is pretty funny. In the same thread you talk about how bad RR and 91 are and how great the new crabs players are...at least three of the new crabs players came from RR and 91. Nice try new crabs dad.

I know the new goalie for 2023 Crabs came from 91; I don't see him starting and possibly sharing time with the current goalie who is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that 91 and RR are clubs that really should be playing A ball; there is nothing wrong with that but these clubs are trying to sell AA status which they are clearly not.

Crabs will struggle next year with the lack of talent. No one can fill the void that #24 is creating by playing up, won't be surprised to see him make some guest appearances in the summer, I imagine he will be back next year. Best talent at face off left the team and one of those who remain probably shouldn't be playing. Goalie situation is sad both kids deserve to start on a team, too bad one will be keeping the bench warm. I'm sure the goalie parents will be best friends by season's end. Remains to be seen if the new kids and those who stuck around can step up to the talent level that left.
Careful what you wish for though if 91 and RR are easy Ws you might want to keep them around because Ws might be hard to come by for this Crabs team.

So if Crabs is imploding and lacks talent; who is the next big club team at 2023 to take their place? I am seeing a lot of Hawks and FCA love lately.

FCA will still struggle. They do no have the middies to get them up and down the field... Faceoffs will still be a struggle and the goalie situation is not great. Attack will be OK but I hope new kids know that only several kids on the team have the green light to shoot.

Hawks minus their summer guest player is average at best.... Dad/Coach defensemen politics kills this team

Hawks parent here. Who was our guest player last Summer? News to me. Agree though on the defensive coach. You know it's bad when the attack and middies parents notice it

even the parents admit it... #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

FCA will still struggle. They do no have the middies to get them up and down the field... Faceoffs will still be a struggle and the goalie situation is not great. Attack will be OK but I hope new kids know that only several kids on the team have the green light to shoot.

Hawks minus their summer guest player is average at best.... Dad/Coach defensemen politics kills this team[/quote]

Hawks parent here. Who was our guest player last Summer? News to me. Agree though on the defensive coach. You know it's bad when the attack and middies parents notice it[/quote]

even the parents admit it... #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck
[/quote]

Sorry little Biff got cut! Tell him to hit the wall and we will see him get cut again next August

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry little Biff got cut! Tell him to hit the wall and we will see him get cut again next August

sorry your parents were related and your wife is a pig. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry little Biff got cut! Tell him to hit the wall and we will see him get cut again next August

sorry your parents were related and your wife is a pig. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

This has to be flat brim, right? Sorry you are to much of an a hole and your son didn't even get an offer. Also sorry we embarrassed you and [lacrosse] down little Biff in Young Guns. It was only a game Brim.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry little Biff got cut! Tell him to hit the wall and we will see him get cut again next August

sorry your parents were related and your wife is a pig. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

This has to be flat brim, right? Sorry you are to much of an a hole and your son didn't even get an offer. Also sorry we embarrassed you and [lacrosse] down little Biff in Young Guns. It was only a game Brim.

nope, not flat brim but nice try. will you please tell your wife to stop changing lip stick. my junk is starting to look like a rainbow. #underyourskin #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

No guest players for Hawks 2023. Same roster in October as July. They just showed improvement. It does help that they have probably the best offensive player in the nation scoring or assisting on 90% of their goals.
Hawks will be better in 2018. Even though they won two very impressive tournaments they replaced 5-6 players and upgraded at several positions.
Hawks do not have the market cornered on Rednecks BTW, plenty to go around.

Do not sleep on API, much improved

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry little Biff got cut! Tell him to hit the wall and we will see him get cut again next August

sorry your parents were related and your wife is a pig. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

This has to be flat brim, right? Sorry you are to much of an a hole and your son didn't even get an offer. Also sorry we embarrassed you and [lacrosse] down little Biff in Young Guns. It was only a game Brim.

So FB kid tried out for Hawks? Was he not given a spot due to ability of the Dad just being who he is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No guest players for Hawks 2023. Same roster in October as July. They just showed improvement. It does help that they have probably the best offensive player in the nation scoring or assisting on 90% of their goals.
Hawks will be better in 2018. Even though they won two very impressive tournaments they replaced 5-6 players and upgraded at several positions.
Hawks do not have the market cornered on Rednecks BTW, plenty to go around.

Do not sleep on API, much improved

API? Now that's funny. They lost several players this year so I am not sure what you are smoking.

We played them at Hogans Summer Exposure and they were definitely very good but they didn't win the tourney. What 2 Impressive tourneys did they win. Not trying to be confrontational at all just curious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry little Biff got cut! Tell him to hit the wall and we will see him get cut again next August

sorry your parents were related and your wife is a pig. #hoganisadbag #redneckparents #hawkssuck

This has to be flat brim, right? Sorry you are to much of an a hole and your son didn't even get an offer. Also sorry we embarrassed you and [lacrosse] down little Biff in Young Guns. It was only a game Brim.

So FB kid tried out for Hawks? Was he not given a spot due to ability of the Dad just being who he is?

Not with the Hawks so have no idea why but it couldn't have been because of ability since the kid is very good. Not sure if it is because his dad is am [lacrosse]......but he is

Hawks won McDonough with big wins over FCA and loonies as well as young guns

You have to feel bad for the kid but Hawks made a decision based on having to deal with Flat Brim. The son would have helped the team no doubt but not worth the circus he brings. Credit to Hogan for saying no

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have to feel bad for the kid but Hawks made a decision based on having to deal with Flat Brim. The son would have helped the team no doubt but not worth the circus he brings. Credit to Hogan for saying no

Is this for real.. This " Flat brim" is that bad?? What does he do that is so bad?

RR 23 done?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have to feel bad for the kid but Hawks made a decision based on having to deal with Flat Brim. The son would have helped the team no doubt but not worth the circus he brings. Credit to Hogan for saying no

Is this for real.. This " Flat brim" is that bad?? What does he do that is so bad?

Kid was already on Crabs roster when he went to Hawks tryouts.
Pretty sure Dad was just using as an opportunity to recruit new players for Crabs.
He's a special guy, that's for sure.

He must be special to you. You sure do talk about him enough. Can we get back to lacrosse? Yes, RR folded.

What teams still need players that some of the displaced RR boys could go to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams still need players that some of the displaced RR boys could go to?

API/Arden Diamondbacks Lacrosse is looking to fill a few remaining roster positions for the 2017-2018 club season.

2025
Supplemental tryout on Wednesday, 9/6 at 7:00pm @ API.
Register Here

2024
(2-3 Players)
Email Coach Jim Bender for more Information.

2020
(2-3 Players)
Email Coach Evan Hockel for more information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams still need players that some of the displaced RR boys could go to?

It might be tough to find a spot right now. Most clubs already have their rosters set.

RR folded a team? Stole from the Looney's playbook.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams still need players that some of the displaced RR boys could go to?

Hawks eliminated their second 2023 team, so those kids might need some place to go also.
Unfortunately, they weren't told until the last day of tryouts and many had no back-up plan.

Only RR 2023 folded. not the club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What teams still need players that some of the displaced RR boys could go to?

Anyone know what happened?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What teams still need players that some of the displaced RR boys could go to?

Anyone know what happened?

They lost every game in HOCO for the last 2 years

Why would they not just drop down a level? Should be more to the story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they not just drop down a level? Should be more to the story.

Too many clubs, not enough talent to go around.

Md team 89+2 2023 will lose every game in HoCo this year for the second consecutive year but I doubt they fold.

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

Says the guy whose son was cut from RR and is now a Zingos asst coach. Totally in line with what to expect on this forum.

There are too many clubs and choices these days. Flavor of the week teams and kids / parents looking for the greener grass are going to have this affect every year moving forward on one club team or another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

sometimes your best coaches weren't D-1 studs, but rather people who weren't athletically gifted and worked harder then most to compete

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

sometimes your best coaches weren't D-1 studs, but rather people who weren't athletically gifted and worked harder then most to compete

Like coach DeMar used to say....

"Run that way, really fast!! if a D-pole gets in your way, turn and score!!

What is Zingos?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

sometimes your best coaches weren't D-1 studs, but rather people who weren't athletically gifted and worked harder then most to compete

Like coach DeMar used to say....

"Run that way, really fast!! if a D-pole gets in your way, turn and score!!

as I tell my son, score more goals than the other team and you always win

Zingos are a club in MD. Not very good but they have some very strong coaches on their teams

http://www.zingoslacrosse.com/

Zingos are horrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Yes, because if you look at the threads dedicated to older kids, you never see complaints of daddy ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Not all dad coaches are in it for their kid alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Not all dad coaches are in it for their kid alone.

Agreed. Dad coaches are critical IMO at the younger ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Not all dad coaches are in it for their kid alone.

Agreed. Dad coaches are critical IMO at the younger ages.

I agree with this as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

sometimes your best coaches weren't D-1 studs, but rather people who weren't athletically gifted and worked harder then most to compete

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Not all dad coaches are in it for their kid alone.

Agreed. Dad coaches are critical IMO at the younger ages.

I agree with this as well.

Also agree. Many good/viable programs would not exist if it were not for the participation of father's whose son or daughter is on his/her team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

Says the guy whose son was cut from RR and is now a Zingos asst coach. Totally in line with what to expect on this forum.

There are too many clubs and choices these days. Flavor of the week teams and kids / parents looking for the greener grass are going to have this affect every year moving forward on one club team or another.

Wrong! My son didnt get cut. He is a solid 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

Says the guy whose son was cut from RR and is now a Zingos asst coach. Totally in line with what to expect on this forum.

There are too many clubs and choices these days. Flavor of the week teams and kids / parents looking for the greener grass are going to have this affect every year moving forward on one club team or another.

Wrong! My son didnt get cut. He is a solid 3.

And you are a solid zero, Zingos just hasn't figured that out yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Not all dad coaches are in it for their kid alone.

Agreed, but big difference between Daddy Ball and a Dad who coaches.
It's a rare Dad who can just be a coach of their own kid.
Shouldn't happen beyond 6th/7th Grade. Best for everyone.

Great to see that Millon is doing the National Championship this year for 2023s.
I was worried he might skip a year.
It was the most competitive tourney in the country for 2022s last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the head coaches bio on the CSE website... that should tell you enough why the team folded. Would you pay 2k for that type of lacrosse experience? There are more knowledgeable coaches at Zingos and HoCo.

RR 2024 also had a hard time filling their roster. I think once your kid reaches 7th and 6th grade parents figure out who is coaching for the right reason and who is coaching strictly for their son.

Not all dad coaches are in it for their kid alone.

Agreed, but big difference between Daddy Ball and a Dad who coaches.
It's a rare Dad who can just be a coach of their own kid.
Shouldn't happen beyond 6th/7th Grade. Best for everyone.

in an ideal world you wouldn't have parent coaches, but in reality it is a must. lax has completely transitioned to club and the fees for the competitive clubs are $1500 and up, some being over $2000. not many people are going to volunteer their time especially summers to coach a team they don't have a child on without being paid and expenses for tournaments paid.

So many of the best coaches in the game today have coached their sons not only in youth/middle school but also in high school and even college.

Look at the MIAA "A" Conference and almost every team has a head coach or assistant coach with a son on the team including at least the last four league champions.

At an even higher level it also seems to have worked out for Tierney, Danowski, Zimmerman, Corrigan, Desko just to name a few guys who coached their sons in college

Evergreen 2023 is going to join HOCO and surprise everyone, with or without daddy coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2023 is going to join HOCO and surprise everyone, with or without daddy coaches.

They really only lack one thing.

Talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So many of the best coaches in the game today have coached their sons not only in youth/middle school but also in high school and even college.

Look at the MIAA "A" Conference and almost every team has a head coach or assistant coach with a son on the team including at least the last four league champions.

At an even higher level it also seems to have worked out for Tierney, Danowski, Zimmerman, Corrigan, Desko just to name a few guys who coached their sons in college

Wow, so you are saying that less than 1% of the Dad's who coach their kid ends up being a stud? Great point you made. And guess what, the guys you listed are outstanding coaches so it would make sense for their son to play for them at a great college if they are good enough.

Do you plan on coaching your son in college? How about high school? What's gonna happen when little Johnnie tries out in high school and doesn't start right away? Are you going to force your way onto the coaching staff to make sure your son starts? Call the coach and complain? It happens every year, we see kids try out and feel entitled because Dad has given them everything on the lacrosse field. Do yourself a favor and let your kid succeed and fail on their own without your help.

Everone likes to talk about "Daddy Ball" on this forum. From what I have seen on the fields, the best players are typically the coaches kids. It doesn't look like anything is handed to them. They are simply good players. It's not like their dad is on the field scoring goals, saving goals or defending the goal. Talent is talent regardless if their dad is a coach. Do you think if a dad isn't coaching a team with his kid on it that your son will somehow get better? Your kid has the same chances to perform on a field as a coaches son does. If anything, it is more pressure to be a coaches kid. You probably never thought of it that way. You are to worried about your little Jonnie trying to get more playing time. Here is a tip..EARN IT! Stop trying to bring down coaches and players who have earned it.

Sometimes your son will practice harder and play harder than any kid on their team. If there is a better kid in their position then they are 2nd or 3rd string. Just because you think your son should start, doesn't mean it is true. These kids are getting older now. Size, speed and skill matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2023 is going to join HOCO and surprise everyone, with or without daddy coaches.

They really only lack one thing.

Talent.

The 2022 Evergreen team imported an entire team from 3d added some Cav's players and will be one of the top teams in the 2nd of four tiers in HOCO league. That would not be a surprise. The top players in N.VA are still with Madlax, Cav, 3d, and newly formed teams at VLC and Club Blue if Evergreen has a great program going but is not getting the talent yet in the 2023 age group it will be a surprise however I do not think they will beat any of the aforementioned teams if they face them in HOCO they will not even be in the Elite bracket at HOCO only Madlax. I would rank them 6th or 7th in N.VA slightly ahead of Madlax DMV.
1.Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. 3d
4. VLC
5. Club Blue
6. Top Caliber
7. Evergreen (Battlelax and EKLC each have age based teams and do not compete in HOCO)
8. Madlax DMV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, so you are saying that less than 1% of the Dad's who coach their kid ends up being a stud? Great point you made. And guess what, the guys you listed are outstanding coaches so it would make sense for their son to play for them at a great college if they are good enough.

Do you plan on coaching your son in college? How about high school? What's gonna happen when little Johnnie tries out in high school and doesn't start right away? Are you going to force your way onto the coaching staff to make sure your son starts? Call the coach and complain? It happens every year, we see kids try out and feel entitled because Dad has given them everything on the lacrosse field. Do yourself a favor and let your kid succeed and fail on their own without your help.

He said nothing of the sort. Get a fuc*ing grip dude. You sound angry. get wronged by a dad coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everone likes to talk about "Daddy Ball" on this forum. From what I have seen on the fields, the best players are typically the coaches kids. It doesn't look like anything is handed to them. They are simply good players. It's not like their dad is on the field scoring goals, saving goals or defending the goal. Talent is talent regardless if their dad is a coach. Do you think if a dad isn't coaching a team with his kid on it that your son will somehow get better? Your kid has the same chances to perform on a field as a coaches son does. If anything, it is more pressure to be a coaches kid. You probably never thought of it that way. You are to worried about your little Jonnie trying to get more playing time. Here is a tip..EARN IT! Stop trying to bring down coaches and players who have earned it.

Sometimes your son will practice harder and play harder than any kid on their team. If there is a better kid in their position then they are 2nd or 3rd string. Just because you think your son should start, doesn't mean it is true. These kids are getting older now. Size, speed and skill matters.

This.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2023 is going to join HOCO and surprise everyone, with or without daddy coaches.

They really only lack one thing.

Talent.

The 2022 Evergreen team imported an entire team from 3d added some Cav's players and will be one of the top teams in the 2nd of four tiers in HOCO league. That would not be a surprise. The top players in N.VA are still with Madlax, Cav, 3d, and newly formed teams at VLC and Club Blue if Evergreen has a great program going but is not getting the talent yet in the 2023 age group it will be a surprise however I do not think they will beat any of the aforementioned teams if they face them in HOCO they will not even be in the Elite bracket at HOCO only Madlax. I would rank them 6th or 7th in N.VA slightly ahead of Madlax DMV.
1.Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. 3d
4. VLC
5. Club Blue
6. Top Caliber
7. Evergreen (Battlelax and EKLC each have age based teams and do not compete in HOCO)
8. Madlax DMV

Will HOCO have 3 or 4 divisions for 2023 in Spring 2018? Cavs should probably move up from A. 3d lost a lot of kids to other clubs, so I would put them lower than #3. Asked around and it sounds like Evergreen 2023 would have a hard time beating B Rec teams in NVYLL. Would be a surprise if Evergreen 2023 does not get blown out in every HOCO game. Club Blue (must be referring to NOVA Club Blue, not the team that won HOCO and beat Crabs last year) is unknown, but have not heard of any of the stronger squads losing players to them. Did hear VLC picked up players from stronger squads (Capital, 3d, etc.). Don't hear much about Top Caliber, at least at this age group. Madlax DMV is usually a mess but I would still bet them over Evergreen. Would love to see a fall "Play Day" with MadCap, Cavs, VLC and one of the Md teams (Next Level, etc.).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2023 is going to join HOCO and surprise everyone, with or without daddy coaches.

They really only lack one thing.

Talent.

The 2022 Evergreen team imported an entire team from 3d added some Cav's players and will be one of the top teams in the 2nd of four tiers in HOCO league. That would not be a surprise. The top players in N.VA are still with Madlax, Cav, 3d, and newly formed teams at VLC and Club Blue if Evergreen has a great program going but is not getting the talent yet in the 2023 age group it will be a surprise however I do not think they will beat any of the aforementioned teams if they face them in HOCO they will not even be in the Elite bracket at HOCO only Madlax. I would rank them 6th or 7th in N.VA slightly ahead of Madlax DMV.
1.Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. 3d
4. VLC
5. Club Blue
6. Top Caliber
7. Evergreen (Battlelax and EKLC each have age based teams and do not compete in HOCO)
8. Madlax DMV

Will HOCO have 3 or 4 divisions for 2023 in Spring 2018? Cavs should probably move up from A. 3d lost a lot of kids to other clubs, so I would put them lower than #3. Asked around and it sounds like Evergreen 2023 would have a hard time beating B Rec teams in NVYLL. Would be a surprise if Evergreen 2023 does not get blown out in every HOCO game. Club Blue (must be referring to NOVA Club Blue, not the team that won HOCO and beat Crabs last year) is unknown, but have not heard of any of the stronger squads losing players to them. Did hear VLC picked up players from stronger squads (Capital, 3d, etc.). Don't hear much about Top Caliber, at least at this age group. Madlax DMV is usually a mess but I would still bet them over Evergreen. Would love to see a fall "Play Day" with MadCap, Cavs, VLC and one of the Md teams (Next Level, etc.).

If your kids can't make an Elite team you are wasting your time and money playing club lacrosse.... Go back to Rec where it is fun, safe, and less competitive...... Every kids should not be playing club.....Clubs are stealing your money! This is ridiculous and carrying out the mentality that everyone's kids should have an opportunity to play club and criticize Elite clubs and their coaches.... Good Lord..... Your KID is not good enough to play ELITE then don't play CLUB!!! You are ruining the purpose of club lacrosse!!!!!!Fin cry babies on this forum

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kids can't make an Elite team you are wasting your time and money playing club lacrosse.... Go back to Rec where it is fun, safe, and less competitive...... Every kids should not be playing club.....Clubs are stealing your money! This is ridiculous and carrying out the mentality that everyone's kids should have an opportunity to play club and criticize Elite clubs and their coaches.... Good Lord..... Your KID is not good enough to play ELITE then don't play CLUB!!! You are ruining the purpose of club lacrosse!!!!!!Fin cry babies on this forum

Easy killer. Lose your hat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2023 is going to join HOCO and surprise everyone, with or without daddy coaches.

They really only lack one thing.

Talent.

The 2022 Evergreen team imported an entire team from 3d added some Cav's players and will be one of the top teams in the 2nd of four tiers in HOCO league. That would not be a surprise. The top players in N.VA are still with Madlax, Cav, 3d, and newly formed teams at VLC and Club Blue if Evergreen has a great program going but is not getting the talent yet in the 2023 age group it will be a surprise however I do not think they will beat any of the aforementioned teams if they face them in HOCO they will not even be in the Elite bracket at HOCO only Madlax. I would rank them 6th or 7th in N.VA slightly ahead of Madlax DMV.
1.Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. 3d
4. VLC
5. Club Blue
6. Top Caliber
7. Evergreen (Battlelax and EKLC each have age based teams and do not compete in HOCO)
8. Madlax DMV

Will HOCO have 3 or 4 divisions for 2023 in Spring 2018? Cavs should probably move up from A. 3d lost a lot of kids to other clubs, so I would put them lower than #3. Asked around and it sounds like Evergreen 2023 would have a hard time beating B Rec teams in NVYLL. Would be a surprise if Evergreen 2023 does not get blown out in every HOCO game. Club Blue (must be referring to NOVA Club Blue, not the team that won HOCO and beat Crabs last year) is unknown, but have not heard of any of the stronger squads losing players to them. Did hear VLC picked up players from stronger squads (Capital, 3d, etc.). Don't hear much about Top Caliber, at least at this age group. Madlax DMV is usually a mess but I would still bet them over Evergreen. Would love to see a fall "Play Day" with MadCap, Cavs, VLC and one of the Md teams (Next Level, etc.).

If your kids can't make an Elite team you are wasting your time and money playing club lacrosse.... Go back to Rec where it is fun, safe, and less competitive...... Every kids should not be playing club.....Clubs are stealing your money! This is ridiculous and carrying out the mentality that everyone's kids should have an opportunity to play club and criticize Elite clubs and their coaches.... Good Lord..... Your KID is not good enough to play ELITE then don't play CLUB!!! You are ruining the purpose of club lacrosse!!!!!!Fin cry babies on this forum

This must be a MD dad. They are pissed when other Virginia teams have any discussion here so maybe a separate board is needed for NOVA teams. Many of the kids on these teams will play college lacrosse and many will play for top D1 teams. These are the top teams in N.VA where the sport still does not have as much participation but this still represents to the top teams. Do not worry about my money a 3K annual fee is less than the bar tab I have at Trump's golf club in Loudoun not even the cost of my weekend ski trips.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2023 is going to join HOCO and surprise everyone, with or without daddy coaches.

They really only lack one thing.

Talent.

The 2022 Evergreen team imported an entire team from 3d added some Cav's players and will be one of the top teams in the 2nd of four tiers in HOCO league. That would not be a surprise. The top players in N.VA are still with Madlax, Cav, 3d, and newly formed teams at VLC and Club Blue if Evergreen has a great program going but is not getting the talent yet in the 2023 age group it will be a surprise however I do not think they will beat any of the aforementioned teams if they face them in HOCO they will not even be in the Elite bracket at HOCO only Madlax. I would rank them 6th or 7th in N.VA slightly ahead of Madlax DMV.
1.Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. 3d
4. VLC
5. Club Blue
6. Top Caliber
7. Evergreen (Battlelax and EKLC each have age based teams and do not compete in HOCO)
8. Madlax DMV

Will HOCO have 3 or 4 divisions for 2023 in Spring 2018? Cavs should probably move up from A. 3d lost a lot of kids to other clubs, so I would put them lower than #3. Asked around and it sounds like Evergreen 2023 would have a hard time beating B Rec teams in NVYLL. Would be a surprise if Evergreen 2023 does not get blown out in every HOCO game. Club Blue (must be referring to NOVA Club Blue, not the team that won HOCO and beat Crabs last year) is unknown, but have not heard of any of the stronger squads losing players to them. Did hear VLC picked up players from stronger squads (Capital, 3d, etc.). Don't hear much about Top Caliber, at least at this age group. Madlax DMV is usually a mess but I would still bet them over Evergreen. Would love to see a fall "Play Day" with MadCap, Cavs, VLC and one of the Md teams (Next Level, etc.).

If your kids can't make an Elite team you are wasting your time and money playing club lacrosse.... Go back to Rec where it is fun, safe, and less competitive...... Every kids should not be playing club.....Clubs are stealing your money! This is ridiculous and carrying out the mentality that everyone's kids should have an opportunity to play club and criticize Elite clubs and their coaches.... Good Lord..... Your KID is not good enough to play ELITE then don't play CLUB!!! You are ruining the purpose of club lacrosse!!!!!!Fin cry babies on this forum

This must be a MD dad. They are pissed when other Virginia teams have any discussion here so maybe a separate board is needed for NOVA teams. Many of the kids on these teams will play college lacrosse and many will play for top D1 teams. These are the top teams in N.VA where the sport still does not have as much participation but this still represents to the top teams. Do not worry about my money a 3K annual fee is less than the bar tab I have at Trump's golf club in Loudoun not even the cost of my weekend ski trips.

Well loddy freakin Dah.... Aren't you so fancy....Taking my kids to the Carnival tonight...

If your kids can't make an Elite team you are wasting your time and money playing club lacrosse.... Go back to Rec where it is fun, safe, and less competitive...... Every kids should not be playing club.....Clubs are stealing your money! This is ridiculous and carrying out the mentality that everyone's kids should have an opportunity to play club and criticize Elite clubs and their coaches.... Good Lord..... Your KID is not good enough to play ELITE then don't play CLUB!!! You are ruining the purpose of club lacrosse!!!!!!Fin cry babies on this forum[/quote]

There should be two divisions per group, don't care what you call them, AA/A, Elite/Almost Elite, Great/Good, A/B, 1/2. Anyone below those two divisions aren't ready for club, and can keep playing rec until they are ready. To say there should only be one level, though, is not realistic. Three and four divisions is ridiculous, agreed. Problem is, people are paying to be on these awful lowest level teams, and supply/demand dictates over right/wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kids can't make an Elite team you are wasting your time and money playing club lacrosse.... Go back to Rec where it is fun, safe, and less competitive...... Every kids should not be playing club.....Clubs are stealing your money! This is ridiculous and carrying out the mentality that everyone's kids should have an opportunity to play club and criticize Elite clubs and their coaches.... Good Lord..... Your KID is not good enough to play ELITE then don't play CLUB!!! You are ruining the purpose of club lacrosse!!!!!!Fin cry babies on this forum

If your kid made an Elite team and is on the 3rd or 4th middie line, or is the 5th or 6th attack or defenseman, or is the 2nd or 3rd LPM, or is a backup goalie, make sure you enjoy their 2-5 mins of PT and don't be late paying your dues. And remember an Elite team's roster is never closed, look forward to meeting new parents come summer maybe sooner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your kids can't make an Elite team you are wasting your time and money playing club lacrosse.... Go back to Rec where it is fun, safe, and less competitive...... Every kids should not be playing club.....Clubs are stealing your money! This is ridiculous and carrying out the mentality that everyone's kids should have an opportunity to play club and criticize Elite clubs and their coaches.... Good Lord..... Your KID is not good enough to play ELITE then don't play CLUB!!! You are ruining the purpose of club lacrosse!!!!!!Fin cry babies on this forum

There should be two divisions per group, don't care what you call them, AA/A, Elite/Almost Elite, Great/Good, A/B, 1/2. Anyone below those two divisions aren't ready for club, and can keep playing rec until they are ready. To say there should only be one level, though, is not realistic. Three and four divisions is ridiculous, agreed. Problem is, people are paying to be on these awful lowest level teams, and supply/demand dictates over right/wrong.

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I do not think the money angle is the best argument. If a family has the means and is willing to play on a weak club team, they can waste their money however they want. As Rec does not play year round, I could see why a weak player would want to play year round on even a crappy club team. Club coaching should be better but that is not always true. But do agree that if we are having a discussion on whether the best 2023 teams in the area have gotten better/worse after fall tryouts, clubs Evergreen and EKLC should not even be part of the conversation.

IMHO, the 2023 NOVA-only rankings heading into the fall pretty much track the one above except:

TOP TIER
1. Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. VLC

MIDDLE TIER
4. 3d
5. (tie) Club Blue NOVA
5. (tie) Madlax DMV
5. (tie) Top Caliber

BOTTOM TIER
8. Evergreen

Evergreen in bottom tier??? Rumor has it they will beat Madlax 2023 and be competitive with defending HOCO champ Club Blue and Crabs.

yes this is a joke vlc a new 2023 team better than the defending champ club blue cmon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes this is a joke vlc a new 2023 team better than the defending champ club blue cmon

I think the Evergreen comment was a joke. As far as VLC this is accurate both VLC and Club Blue Nova are brand new teams and hard to rank. Where did the players come from? However this is a NoVA only ranking I do not think anyone would rank these teams ahead of the MD Club Blue team. Relax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes this is a joke vlc a new 2023 team better than the defending champ club blue cmon

I think the Evergreen comment was a joke. As far as VLC this is accurate both VLC and Club Blue Nova are brand new teams and hard to rank. Where did the players come from? However this is a NoVA only ranking I do not think anyone would rank these teams ahead of the MD Club Blue team. Relax

Evergreen must have been and is a joke. VLC 2023 intel [from VLC coaching staff friend who does not coach 2023] says this is the best 7th grade class that they have had in years and kids from Next Level, Madlax Capital, Cavs, 3d, 2023 kids who played up on VLC 2022 last year, and others. No intel on Club Blue NOVA. Anyone?

madlax capital should drop to AA. all top players have left for better coaching. If they play elite they will not win a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax capital should drop to AA. all top players have left for better coaching. If they play elite they will not win a game.

So all the Madlax kids left for who??

Crabs 2023 will continue to be the top team in the area. They picked up a heck of a lot of talent at tryouts. Watch out for the new players

a few went to Crabs last year, some went to VLC, 2022's left for Blackwolf but not sure if 2023 did too. Problem is it was the best kids that left. They are still solid, but losing best players doesn't bode well for Elite division in HOCO when you weren't in the top half before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a few went to Crabs last year, some went to VLC, 2022's left for Blackwolf but not sure if 2023 did too. Problem is it was the best kids that left. They are still solid, but losing best players doesn't bode well for Elite division in HOCO when you weren't in the top half before.

This sounds right. Capital can still crush all the other 2023 NOVA teams though Cavs and VLC might present a challenge. But Capital still beats 3d by 8-10 goals and Evergreen by 20 goals. Unless Capital picked up some new kids, especially at mid, who can play, my bet is that they will struggle in HOCO Elite. Nothing wrong with being the king of AA if you do not have the horses for Elite. No one has the best team in every age group. For example, Madlax 2024 is probably the best in the nation and 2023 is not. That's the way it goes sometimes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax capital should drop to AA. all top players have left for better coaching. If they play elite they will not win a game.

So all the Madlax kids left for who??

Next Level seems to pick up 1 or 2 new Capital kids every season. At least one left for NL this fall.

Club Blue MD, Next Level, Crabs, Hawks, BLC, FCA & Looneys will all be competitive with one another in the spring. Lot of parity at this age amongst those 7. Madlax, 91 & Roughriders who were all in elite last year will not be able to compete and don't think there are any other teams that can step up to top level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a few went to Crabs last year, some went to VLC, 2022's left for Blackwolf but not sure if 2023 did too. Problem is it was the best kids that left. They are still solid, but losing best players doesn't bode well for Elite division in HOCO when you weren't in the top half before.

This sounds right. Capital can still crush all the other 2023 NOVA teams though Cavs and VLC might present a challenge. But Capital still beats 3d by 8-10 goals and Evergreen by 20 goals. Unless Capital picked up some new kids, especially at mid, who can play, my bet is that they will struggle in HOCO Elite. Nothing wrong with being the king of AA if you do not have the horses for Elite. No one has the best team in every age group. For example, Madlax 2024 is probably the best in the nation and 2023 is not. That's the way it goes sometimes.

So after reading this if I was the dad of the best Mid on 3D,VLC or Cavs I would be at the Madlax 2023 tryouts this spring. Or I would be emailing them to see if I can get a late tryout. This is what this site is best for get some Intel and work it for your own good.

What happened to A, B and C. I guess someone had their feelings hurt and needed to be "Elite" and "AA". LOL. Same Shizzle, different name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a few went to Crabs last year, some went to VLC, 2022's left for Blackwolf but not sure if 2023 did too. Problem is it was the best kids that left. They are still solid, but losing best players doesn't bode well for Elite division in HOCO when you weren't in the top half before.

This sounds right. Capital can still crush all the other 2023 NOVA teams though Cavs and VLC might present a challenge. But Capital still beats 3d by 8-10 goals and Evergreen by 20 goals. Unless Capital picked up some new kids, especially at mid, who can play, my bet is that they will struggle in HOCO Elite. Nothing wrong with being the king of AA if you do not have the horses for Elite. No one has the best team in every age group. For example, Madlax 2024 is probably the best in the nation and 2023 is not. That's the way it goes sometimes.

So after reading this if I was the dad of the best Mid on 3D,VLC or Cavs I would be at the Madlax 2023 tryouts this spring. Or I would be emailing them to see if I can get a late tryout. This is what this site is best for get some Intel and work it for your own good.

Nice try, Cabell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax capital should drop to AA. all top players have left for better coaching. If they play elite they will not win a game.

So all the Madlax kids left for who??

Next Level seems to pick up 1 or 2 new Capital kids every season. At least one left for NL this fall.

You are correct if you are not starting for Madlax Cap. you should go to NL very smart move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a few went to Crabs last year, some went to VLC, 2022's left for Blackwolf but not sure if 2023 did too. Problem is it was the best kids that left. They are still solid, but losing best players doesn't bode well for Elite division in HOCO when you weren't in the top half before.

This sounds right. Capital can still crush all the other 2023 NOVA teams though Cavs and VLC might present a challenge. But Capital still beats 3d by 8-10 goals and Evergreen by 20 goals. Unless Capital picked up some new kids, especially at mid, who can play, my bet is that they will struggle in HOCO Elite. Nothing wrong with being the king of AA if you do not have the horses for Elite. No one has the best team in every age group. For example, Madlax 2024 is probably the best in the nation and 2023 is not. That's the way it goes sometimes.

So after reading this if I was the dad of the best Mid on 3D,VLC or Cavs I would be at the Madlax 2023 tryouts this spring. Or I would be emailing them to see if I can get a late tryout. This is what this site is best for get some Intel and work it for your own good.

Nice try, Cabell

I think what hurts Madlax is the tryout process and the risk of being stuck on the DMV team after fees are paid. They do not confirm team assignment do players need to commit which is why I think they would opt for another team like NL. The top CAV players are too far from Bethesda for practice and very happy with Cav's. They will soon challenge madlax as top NOVA team. . I have to wonder if the players that left teams are really the top players? Usually players look to move if they are not getting enough playing time. I do not think they are flocking to madlax, evergreen is still not good at this age group. Sounds like VLC added but are they top players from Madlax Cap and NL? Did they really get AA players from 3d? did 3d have top players? If they added players from last years 2022 team that team was not great. Club Blue NOVA. S is an unknown. Fact is that there is too many NOVA teams and not enough talent for any NOVA team to compete at the Elite HOCO level. Still good teams just not ready to challenge teams like Hawks, Crabs, CB at 2023.

One notable problem with Madlax tryouts for new players is that they won't immediately tell you if your son will be on the Capital team or the state team. They ask you to commit to payment and then play throughout fall before you know which team he'll be on for tournaments. If any Madlax coaches are following, I know several strong 2023 players that would gone to Madlax but for the lack of team certainty. Having a sure roster slot on the best of the CB, NL, Cavs teams is better than potentially getting stuck on the Madlax state team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One notable problem with Madlax tryouts for new players is that they won't immediately tell you if your son will be on the Capital team or the state team. They ask you to commit to payment and then play throughout fall before you know which team he'll be on for tournaments. If any Madlax coaches are following, I know several strong 2023 players that would gone to Madlax but for the lack of team certainty. Having a sure roster slot on the best of the CB, NL, Cavs teams is better than potentially getting stuck on the Madlax state team.

Amen brother. 100% true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The top CAV players are too far from Bethesda for practice and very happy with Cav's. They will soon challenge madlax as top NOVA team.

Not even close. There is not a Cavalier team better than either BW or VLC. Look at Cavs college commit list - it is a total joke. Look at the tournaments they play in - total joke. They are far behind BW, Madlax and VLC and don't appear anywhere near close enough to close the gap.

madlax can't win at 2023 there best players have all left. BW doesn't have 2023. Does club blue VA have a team?

How many 2023 players do BW Madlax and VLC have committed to college? Cav's has the same number of committed players as all of these teams combined. I would love to hear about how good Blackwolf's 2023 team will play in HOCO this spring. I bet the do not win a game in HOCO. Cav's lost two games intwo seasons of HOCO and should consider moving up. VLC 2023 has not played a game yet and is players who were not the top Cav players NL and 3d. They may be stronger in older teams but this is a 2023 page

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The top CAV players are too far from Bethesda for practice and very happy with Cav's. They will soon challenge madlax as top NOVA team.

Not even close. There is not a Cavalier team better than either BW or VLC. Look at Cavs college commit list - it is a total joke. Look at the tournaments they play in - total joke. They are far behind BW, Madlax and VLC and don't appear anywhere near close enough to close the gap.

Cavs 2023 is a big step ahead of the other Cavs teams. Not saying they will beat Madlax Cap, VLC, etc. but it goes without saying that Cavs should play harder tournaments. Williamsburg instead of Hogan on 11/12. C'mon. How many times do you have to beat BattleLax, EKLC and Evergreen before leaving the small pond???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 2023 players do BW Madlax and VLC have committed to college? Cav's has the same number of committed players as all of these teams combined. I would love to hear about how good Blackwolf's 2023 team will play in HOCO this spring. I bet the do not win a game in HOCO. Cav's lost two games intwo seasons of HOCO and should consider moving up. VLC 2023 has not played a game yet and is players who were not the top Cav players NL and 3d. They may be stronger in older teams but this is a 2023 page

The track record of the Cavs HS program is a joke in terms of talent, college commits and quality of tournaments. That is why their best players leave. Nowhere near the big 3 of Madlax, VLC and BW. As for youth, they always play in a lower tier division. My friend's son is on VLC 2023 and they got kids from other areas, not really Cav or 3d.

Cavs aren't going to play in harder tournaments because they only care about winning, no matter what level.

I was at the fields last year when the Cavs 2021 team "won" the lowest brackets of HoCo and the way everyone was reacting you would think they were NC State when they won the NCAA Basketball Championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs aren't going to play in harder tournaments because they only care about winning, no matter what level.

I was at the fields last year when the Cavs 2021 team "won" the lowest brackets of HoCo and the way everyone was reacting you would think they were NC State when they won the NCAA Basketball Championship

Smells like chicken to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs aren't going to play in harder tournaments because they only care about winning, no matter what level.

I was at the fields last year when the Cavs 2021 team "won" the lowest brackets of HoCo and the way everyone was reacting you would think they were NC State when they won the NCAA Basketball Championship

Smells like chicken to me.

Tastes like fish.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs aren't going to play in harder tournaments because they only care about winning, no matter what level.

I was at the fields last year when the Cavs 2021 team "won" the lowest brackets of HoCo and the way everyone was reacting you would think they were NC State when they won the NCAA Basketball Championship

Cav's is a great opportunity for kids new to travel Lacrosse and the stiffer competition you see over the summer compared to what they see in NVYLL rec during the season. Many of the "Studs" now on other high level club's all came through Cav's at some point or another. All roads lead to Rome....so at some point, as certain boys progress and aspire to get to that next level of competition...they have to leave.

No club is perfect and all of them serve a purpose, niche, demographic etc. Get in where you fit in and when it's time to go...you go.

That said, never forget where you came from and who helped you get to where you are today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs aren't going to play in harder tournaments because they only care about winning, no matter what level.

I was at the fields last year when the Cavs 2021 team "won" the lowest brackets of HoCo and the way everyone was reacting you would think they were NC State when they won the NCAA Basketball Championship

Cav's is a great opportunity for kids new to travel Lacrosse and the stiffer competition you see over the summer compared to what they see in NVYLL rec during the season. Many of the "Studs" now on other high level club's all came through Cav's at some point or another. All roads lead to Rome....so at some point, as certain boys progress and aspire to get to that next level of competition...they have to leave.

No club is perfect and all of them serve a purpose, niche, demographic etc. Get in where you fit in and when it's time to go...you go.

That said, never forget where you came from and who helped you get to where you are today.

This is a great post. All clubs will and do over hype how great they are. But its clear who the big 3 are in the DMV play Cavs tell 7th or 8th grade move to the big 3 if you are a stud for Cavs. It has worked for the last 5 to 10 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs aren't going to play in harder tournaments because they only care about winning, no matter what level.

I was at the fields last year when the Cavs 2021 team "won" the lowest brackets of HoCo and the way everyone was reacting you would think they were NC State when they won the NCAA Basketball Championship

Cav's is a great opportunity for kids new to travel Lacrosse and the stiffer competition you see over the summer compared to what they see in NVYLL rec during the season. Many of the "Studs" now on other high level club's all came through Cav's at some point or another. All roads lead to Rome....so at some point, as certain boys progress and aspire to get to that next level of competition...they have to leave.

No club is perfect and all of them serve a purpose, niche, demographic etc. Get in where you fit in and when it's time to go...you go.

That said, never forget where you came from and who helped you get to where you are today.

This is a great post. All clubs will and do over hype how great they are. But its clear who the big 3 are in the DMV play Cavs tell 7th or 8th grade move to the big 3 if you are a stud for Cavs. It has worked for the last 5 to 10 years.

this looks right and i believe cavs coaches would agree. cavs parents, not so much.

The last post makes sense however I will bet the 2023 group stays together this is CAV's top team. The kids are successful and the parents are happy with the team. Madlax is too far and time will tell if VLC is a better option. They will loose a few kids but the core of the team will stay together. Cav's and South River dominated the middle HOCO bracket the last two seasons and should both move up to test themselves. As far as the tournaments, the CAV's organization supports local VA based tournaments but also competes at other national tournaments and has fared well in the past. I do not think it matters to many parents who the Big 3 teams are as that will change over time. The sport continues to grow in Northern Virginia so will the hierarchy or teams as it varies at each age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last post makes sense however I will bet the 2023 group stays together this is CAV's top team. The kids are successful and the parents are happy with the team. Madlax is too far and time will tell if VLC is a better option. They will loose a few kids but the core of the team will stay together. Cav's and South River dominated the middle HOCO bracket the last two seasons and should both move up to test themselves. As far as the tournaments, the CAV's organization supports local VA based tournaments but also competes at other national tournaments and has fared well in the past. I do not think it matters to many parents who the Big 3 teams are as that will change over time. The sport continues to grow in Northern Virginia so will the hierarchy or teams as it varies at each age group.

Well if I had a dollar for every parent from my sons 7th grade team that thought we would all stay together and keep winning it all. I would have at least $18 dollars. He is now a 2018. If the kids you are talking about really do stay together for the next 5 years this will only hurt the best players from the bunch. Lacrosse is not football they have 3 to 5 coaches, and they do not have the time and money to see everyone everywhere. You need to be playing for the top 3 clubs and be where they are to get to a high D1 roster. It will be fun and you parents will become the best of friends but ask yourself was your drinking buddy worth holding your elite son back from playing to his full potential?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last post makes sense however I will bet the 2023 group stays together this is CAV's top team. The kids are successful and the parents are happy with the team. Madlax is too far and time will tell if VLC is a better option. They will loose a few kids but the core of the team will stay together. Cav's and South River dominated the middle HOCO bracket the last two seasons and should both move up to test themselves. As far as the tournaments, the CAV's organization supports local VA based tournaments but also competes at other national tournaments and has fared well in the past. I do not think it matters to many parents who the Big 3 teams are as that will change over time. The sport continues to grow in Northern Virginia so will the hierarchy or teams as it varies at each age group.

I'm sure the Cavs experience is good for you, but if your son desires top competition and visibility, he is being held back. Cav and "South River" are light years away from competing at the Elite Level. They would get destroyed playing in a higher bracket.

And Cavs does not play in any elite tournaments. As for the "big 3 will change over time", that is incorrect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The last post makes sense however I will bet the 2023 group stays together this is CAV's top team. The kids are successful and the parents are happy with the team. Madlax is too far and time will tell if VLC is a better option. They will loose a few kids but the core of the team will stay together. Cav's and South River dominated the middle HOCO bracket the last two seasons and should both move up to test themselves. As far as the tournaments, the CAV's organization supports local VA based tournaments but also competes at other national tournaments and has fared well in the past. I do not think it matters to many parents who the Big 3 teams are as that will change over time. The sport continues to grow in Northern Virginia so will the hierarchy or teams as it varies at each age group.

Well if I had a dollar for every parent from my sons 7th grade team that thought we would all stay together and keep winning it all. I would have at least $18 dollars. He is now a 2018. If the kids you are talking about really do stay together for the next 5 years this will only hurt the best players from the bunch. Lacrosse is not football they have 3 to 5 coaches, and they do not have the time and money to see everyone everywhere. You need to be playing for the top 3 clubs and be where they are to get to a high D1 roster. It will be fun and you parents will become the best of friends but ask yourself was your drinking buddy worth holding your elite son back from playing to his full potential?

if cavs moves up, they'll stop winning and then we'll see how happy and content all the players and parents are. If they play HOCO elite and inevitably become at best a .500 team, unlikely the team will stay together. but i can see why cavs might want to stay in b. club is a business and retention is great if u are winning regardless of whether you are pounding weakling clubs. for the couple kids who might play d1, switch over to madlax, crabs, vlc, dce or wherever. the rest might be happier sticking with cavs and being the big fish in small pond.

Wow, the other club owners on this board must be getting scared of teams like Cav's and Evergreen. Not on the field mind you but where in counts in the $$. Parents should not pay attention to the recruiting BS some clubs sell the parents, you can make a D1 team if a player is good enough. The landscape has changed and club owners are now feeling scared. If your son is a top player an you want to stick with a good team that works for you I suggest you do not have to move. Cav's may not boast as many D1 commits as other clubs as they do not have the quantity of players at that level. However, they did have players commit to schools like Richmond and Army. With later recruiting now at the Junior year, schools have prospect days which are the most important aspect of recruiting as the coaches really get to evaluate a player up close and personal. Anyone can attend showcases, try out for all star teams, and both Cav and Evergreen have connections with top schools and can get the word out. The player not the club will lead to exposure. The best thing a player can do is maintain a high GPA and email coaches of the schools they are interested in. The idea that simply playing on a club means that you will be "exposed" to top college coaches is yesterday's news. If you like your team you can keep your team and you can still get your 20% tuition discount AKA scholarship. If you are playing club at 2023 simply for a D1 full ride you are doing it wrong. Stay with your friends.

Please don't lump Cavs and Evergreen into the same bucket.

While the Cavs may be content to continue as a fall back club for rec league players, Evergreen has made the leap to the upper tier of DMV travel lacrosse.

Top Caliber and Cavs can complete for the travel rung above BattleLax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don't lump Cavs and Evergreen into the same bucket.

While the Cavs may be content to continue as a fall back club for rec league players, Evergreen has made the leap to the upper tier of DMV travel lacrosse.

Top Caliber and Cavs can complete for the travel rung above BattleLax

I've seen Evergreen. That club is worse than rec.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, the other club owners on this board must be getting scared of teams like Cav's and Evergreen. Not on the field mind you but where in counts in the $$. Parents should not pay attention to the recruiting BS some clubs sell the parents, you can make a D1 team if a player is good enough. The landscape has changed and club owners are now feeling scared. If your son is a top player an you want to stick with a good team that works for you I suggest you do not have to move. Cav's may not boast as many D1 commits as other clubs as they do not have the quantity of players at that level. However, they did have players commit to schools like Richmond and Army. With later recruiting now at the Junior year, schools have prospect days which are the most important aspect of recruiting as the coaches really get to evaluate a player up close and personal. Anyone can attend showcases, try out for all star teams, and both Cav and Evergreen have connections with top schools and can get the word out. The player not the club will lead to exposure. The best thing a player can do is maintain a high GPA and email coaches of the schools they are interested in. The idea that simply playing on a club means that you will be "exposed" to top college coaches is yesterday's news. If you like your team you can keep your team and you can still get your 20% tuition discount AKA scholarship. If you are playing club at 2023 simply for a D1 full ride you are doing it wrong. Stay with your friends.

I agree with most of what you said, but c'mon....if you're a good player you will be holding yourself back remaining with the majority of talent that comprises the Cav's rosters. Even from a coaching perspective, other clubs are far ahead of Cav's. Cav's serves a purpose, a niche, a demographic and is a good club for what it is. It is not a good long term fit for players looking to stand out at the Elite level of this sport.

Cav's is organized, great family's, convenient, nice matching swag etc, but it's not, nor will it ever be a club that can compete with the top DMV clubs, no less roll into Baltimore and compete with the Crab's, FCA etc. The owners are from Baltimore originally and know this better than anyone else. That is why the club remains at Hershey Park, Virginia Beach and Hoco C league. It's the parent and the athlete that needs to be informed, look outside of Loudoun and navigate the landscape to their advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, the other club owners on this board must be getting scared of teams like Cav's and Evergreen. Not on the field mind you but where in counts in the $$. Parents should not pay attention to the recruiting BS some clubs sell the parents, you can make a D1 team if a player is good enough. The landscape has changed and club owners are now feeling scared. If your son is a top player an you want to stick with a good team that works for you I suggest you do not have to move. Cav's may not boast as many D1 commits as other clubs as they do not have the quantity of players at that level. However, they did have players commit to schools like Richmond and Army. With later recruiting now at the Junior year, schools have prospect days which are the most important aspect of recruiting as the coaches really get to evaluate a player up close and personal. Anyone can attend showcases, try out for all star teams, and both Cav and Evergreen have connections with top schools and can get the word out. The player not the club will lead to exposure. The best thing a player can do is maintain a high GPA and email coaches of the schools they are interested in. The idea that simply playing on a club means that you will be "exposed" to top college coaches is yesterday's news. If you like your team you can keep your team and you can still get your 20% tuition discount AKA scholarship. If you are playing club at 2023 simply for a D1 full ride you are doing it wrong. Stay with your friends.

don't know if madlax and co. are sweating cavs and evergreen. doubt it. but cavs better be and is probably already afraid of evergreen. the migration from cavs to evergreen has already begun, see evergreen 2022 and HS teams. those were not scrub players that left. generally agree with a lot of the recruiting comments that this guy is saying. and let's not forget these are 7th graders, have fun. some of the studs now will not develop athletically and will never be recruited or need to worry about whether to play for madlax, crabs, vlc, etc. there are also kids playing rec who are a growth spurt away from being elite. with this being a message board, it is fine to have a conversation on who's the best in HOCO and in such a conversation, the words cav and evergreen should not come up. crabs, club blue md and others would pound both clubs on their worst day, that's not disputable. but again, these are 7th graders, have fun and play with whoever you want. if you are elite, things will work out and there is not only one path to success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don't lump Cavs and Evergreen into the same bucket.

While the Cavs may be content to continue as a fall back club for rec league players, Evergreen has made the leap to the upper tier of DMV travel lacrosse.

Top Caliber and Cavs can complete for the travel rung above BattleLax

This is plain stupid. I know it is trolling but geeeez.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, the other club owners on this board must be getting scared of teams like Cav's and Evergreen. Not on the field mind you but where in counts in the $$. Parents should not pay attention to the recruiting BS some clubs sell the parents, you can make a D1 team if a player is good enough. The landscape has changed and club owners are now feeling scared. If your son is a top player an you want to stick with a good team that works for you I suggest you do not have to move. Cav's may not boast as many D1 commits as other clubs as they do not have the quantity of players at that level. However, they did have players commit to schools like Richmond and Army. With later recruiting now at the Junior year, schools have prospect days which are the most important aspect of recruiting as the coaches really get to evaluate a player up close and personal. Anyone can attend showcases, try out for all star teams, and both Cav and Evergreen have connections with top schools and can get the word out. The player not the club will lead to exposure. The best thing a player can do is maintain a high GPA and email coaches of the schools they are interested in. The idea that simply playing on a club means that you will be "exposed" to top college coaches is yesterday's news. If you like your team you can keep your team and you can still get your 20% tuition discount AKA scholarship. If you are playing club at 2023 simply for a D1 full ride you are doing it wrong. Stay with your friends.

I agree with most of what you said, but c'mon....if you're a good player you will be holding yourself back remaining with the majority of talent that comprises the Cav's rosters. Even from a coaching perspective, other clubs are far ahead of Cav's. Cav's serves a purpose, a niche, a demographic and is a good club for what it is. It is not a good long term fit for players looking to stand out at the Elite level of this sport.

Cav's is organized, great family's, convenient, nice matching swag etc, but it's not, nor will it ever be a club that can compete with the top DMV clubs, no less roll into Baltimore and compete with the Crab's, FCA etc. The owners are from Baltimore originally and know this better than anyone else. That is why the club remains at Hershey Park, Virginia Beach and Hoco C league. It's the parent and the athlete that needs to be informed, look outside of Loudoun and navigate the landscape to their advantage.

I respect Cavs but they are not an elite program like Crabs, Madlax, FCA, Hawks, etc. The have a ton of dads coaching but you never hear "Daddy Ball" which I view as a positive.

REVISED (version 2) 2023 NOVA-only rankings heading into the fall:

TOP TIER
1. Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. VLC

MIDDLE TIER
4. 3d
5. (tie) Club Blue NOVA [no not the CB that won HOCO last yr]
5. (tie) Madlax DMV
7. Top Caliber [no info whatsover so who knows]

BOTTOM TIER
8. NVYLL Dulles South 12U Lower B Team B2
9. Evergreen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

REVISED (version 2) 2023 NOVA-only rankings heading into the fall:

TOP TIER
1. Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. VLC

MIDDLE TIER
4. 3d
5. (tie) Club Blue NOVA [no not the CB that won HOCO last yr]
5. (tie) Madlax DMV
7. Top Caliber [no info whatsover so who knows]

BOTTOM TIER
8. NVYLL Dulles South 12U Lower B Team B2
9. Evergreen

Suspect #2 and #3 will be flipped before long but generally looks right.

Madlax lost their two top guys (by far) last year, and lost several more this fall. Wouldn't be surprised to see them fall from #1. They are already behind NL 2023 and might be behind another VA club on this list already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

REVISED (version 2) 2023 NOVA-only rankings heading into the fall:

TOP TIER
1. Madlax Cap
2. Cavalier
3. VLC

MIDDLE TIER
4. 3d
5. (tie) Club Blue NOVA [no not the CB that won HOCO last yr]
5. (tie) Madlax DMV
7. Top Caliber [no info whatsover so who knows]

BOTTOM TIER
8. NVYLL Dulles South 12U Lower B Team B2
9. Evergreen

Suspect #2 and #3 will be flipped before long but generally looks right.

What a collection of terrible teams Yikes.

Madlax cap is terrible everyone has left. Cav's should play in AA with madlax. If madlax cap plays elite they will go 0-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap is terrible everyone has left. Cav's should play in AA with madlax. If madlax cap plays elite they will go 0-6.

OK ex-Madlax dad, keep telling yourself that if it will help soothe your decision to leave Madlax. i don't give much weight to the comments of disgruntled former parents. 2023 is cavs' strongest team and madlax capital's weakest team, so it could be close but madlax would still win. in other age groups, madlax cap v cavs would not even be a competitive game.

Anyone know who's playing in the FCA Playday at Calvert hall on 29 of October?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who's playing in the FCA Playday at Calvert hall on 29 of October?

I hope to see Evergreen there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who's playing in the FCA Playday at Calvert hall on 29 of October?

I hope to see Evergreen there

They will be there....collecting and washing jock straps.

Switching back to the subject of preparing 7th graders for high school and college lax - for parents who've gone through the process - how strong is the correlation between how best players "track" over the next few years? In other words, do you tend in general to see big changes in which players are the best for their age or do the best middle school athletes typically remain the best high school and college athletes? Disregard the middle school holdbacks and kids who simply reached physical maturity way ahead of the others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who's playing in the FCA Playday at Calvert hall on 29 of October?

Maybe a dumb question but how is a playday different than a tournament? Or is it just there is no championship aspect to a playday? Or no difference? Never used that term when I was playing youth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who's playing in the FCA Playday at Calvert hall on 29 of October?

I hope to see Evergreen there

Everyone who wants an easy W and to have their third string players have the chance to score hat tricks wants to see Evergreen there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who's playing in the FCA Playday at Calvert hall on 29 of October?

I hope to see Evergreen there

Everyone who wants an easy W and to have their third string players have the chance to score hat tricks wants to see Evergreen there.

Someone is scared of playing Evergreen!

Evergreen 2022 is playing Madlax Capital 2022 on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. How about adding Madlax Capital 2023 vs. Evergreen 2023 to the undercard?

madlax 2023 still has a team?

How about we have a "play day" with Madlax, Cav's, Evergreen, VLC, Club Blue NOVA, 3d, Top Caliber, throw in Battle Lax and we can all decide who the top NOVA team is. This could be held at Evergreen this would be great. It would be just like NVYLL used to be 8 years ago only instead of $250 to play it is now $2500 to play. Yeah N.VA youth lacrosse! great job growing the sport!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about we have a "play day" with Madlax, Cav's, Evergreen, VLC, Club Blue NOVA, 3d, Top Caliber, throw in Battle Lax and we can all decide who the top NOVA team is. This could be held at Evergreen this would be great. It would be just like NVYLL used to be 8 years ago only instead of $250 to play it is now $2500 to play. Yeah N.VA youth lacrosse! great job growing the sport!

I can not tell if this guy is mad or happy?

I think this would be a great youth tournament. But if we did this the parents and kids would see who really is the best to worst at each age level and the kids would switch teams to fit themselves better. Also the clubs could not brag about a championship at the beach on there website to trick parents into how good they are.

And if you want to throw a monkey wrench into it get a Richmond team to come up and play in it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about we have a "play day" with Madlax, Cav's, Evergreen, VLC, Club Blue NOVA, 3d, Top Caliber, throw in Battle Lax and we can all decide who the top NOVA team is. This could be held at Evergreen this would be great. It would be just like NVYLL used to be 8 years ago only instead of $250 to play it is now $2500 to play. Yeah N.VA youth lacrosse! great job growing the sport!

I can not tell if this guy is mad or happy?

I think this would be a great youth tournament. But if we did this the parents and kids would see who really is the best to worst at each age level and the kids would switch teams to fit themselves better. Also the clubs could not brag about a championship at the beach on there website to trick parents into how good they are.

And if you want to throw a monkey wrench into it get a Richmond team to come up and play in it.

I would take Evergreen as the favorite in this one.

get it done... madlax won't play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

get it done... madlax won't play

Cavs will play if Madlax, VLC and 3D pull out. That way, they can be assured of playing significantly weaker programs and walk away with the championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

get it done... madlax won't play

Cavs will play if Madlax, VLC and 3D pull out. That way, they can be assured of playing significantly weaker programs and walk away with the championship.

http://www.tribal-lacrosse.com/battle-of-leesburg
http://www.capitallacrosse.com/colonialchallenge.html

Madlax, 3d, VLC, and Club Blue will not be at either of these my guess is that Cav's wins one and Evergreen wins one parents are happy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about we have a "play day" with Madlax, Cav's, Evergreen, VLC, Club Blue NOVA, 3d, Top Caliber, throw in Battle Lax and we can all decide who the top NOVA team is. This could be held at Evergreen this would be great. It would be just like NVYLL used to be 8 years ago only instead of $250 to play it is now $2500 to play. Yeah N.VA youth lacrosse! great job growing the sport!

Waste of time for Madlax or VLC to play any of those teams. One of VLC's HS teams had to play Cavalier in the summer and won by 12 goals. Agree that Cav, Evergreen, Battlelax and TC should have a tournament just for themselves. They could call it the Mediocre Cup.

This post is 2023 not HS teams differ at each age. Cav's 2023 is close to Madlax maybe better, and way ahead of VLC who is new and made up of kids that left CAV, Madlax, 3d, and NL because they did not start for those teams. Evergreen is below NVYLL B teams at 2023

Originally Posted by Anonymous

get it done... madlax won't play

Cavs will play if Madlax, VLC and 3D pull out. That way, they can be assured of playing significantly weaker programs and walk away with the championship.

Madlax, 3d, VLC, and Club Blue will not be at either of these my guess is that Cav's wins one and Evergreen wins one parents are happy

Cavs may win Williamsburg (again). Their October tournament is against FCA "B" and similar teams. From what I can tell, Evergreen has never won a tournament in any age group, not sure why they would win one here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This post is 2023 not HS teams differ at each age. Cav's 2023 is close to Madlax maybe better, and way ahead of VLC who is new and made up of kids that left CAV, Madlax, 3d, and NL because they did not start for those teams. Evergreen is below NVYLL B teams at 2023

Too bad we'll never know how good Cavs is because they refuse to play AA teams. October 22 is a good example. Cavs is registered for Brine Indian Summer in Jarrettsvile where they will play teams like FCA "B", EKLC, and Wolfpack. Yet, down the road on the same day at Blandair, the Md Lacrosse Tournament is being held with teams like Crabs, FCA "A", Annapolis Hawks, VLC, Next Level and more. Stop playing Nebraska's non-conference football schedule from the 70s and step up to the plate, Cavs. It would be fun to see and who knows, you might come up on top.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This post is 2023 not HS teams differ at each age. Cav's 2023 is close to Madlax maybe better, and way ahead of VLC who is new and made up of kids that left CAV, Madlax, 3d, and NL because they did not start for those teams. Evergreen is below NVYLL B teams at 2023

No. VLC did not pick up guys who were non-starters for other programs. My son plays for a different club than what you listed here, but I can't wait for Cavs 23 to get destroyed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This post is 2023 not HS teams differ at each age. Cav's 2023 is close to Madlax maybe better, and way ahead of VLC who is new and made up of kids that left CAV, Madlax, 3d, and NL because they did not start for those teams. Evergreen is below NVYLL B teams at 2023

No. VLC did not pick up guys who were non-starters for other programs. My son plays for a different club than what you listed here, but I can't wait for Cavs 23 to get destroyed.

Evergreen 2023 is the bomb and would beat Cavs, VLC and Madlax. Best of NOVA, baby!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This post is 2023 not HS teams differ at each age. Cav's 2023 is close to Madlax maybe better, and way ahead of VLC who is new and made up of kids that left CAV, Madlax, 3d, and NL because they did not start for those teams. Evergreen is below NVYLL B teams at 2023

No. VLC did not pick up guys who were non-starters for other programs. My son plays for a different club than what you listed here, but I can't wait for Cavs 23 to get destroyed.

Evergreen 2023 is the bomb and would beat Cavs, VLC and Madlax. Best of NOVA, baby!

Who is Evergreen 2023 scrimmaging and where/when?

How about adding them to the undercard of the 2022 tilt between Madlax and Evergreen on October 1! Are advanced tickets available for that one? I believe stadium seating is limited.

Evergreen has nice grantstands. Too bad it's in the middle of nowhere and sitting there means you have to watch one of their crappy teams.

Any 2023 teams planning to do WSYL? API again?

Breakers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers

In other words, only terrible clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers

In other words, only terrible clubs.

Breakers had teams just a few years ago that could compete with Crabs. How they have fallen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers

In other words, only terrible clubs.

Breakers had teams just a few years ago that could compete with Crabs. How they have fallen.

91md pretty much killed that club from 2020 on down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers

In other words, only terrible clubs.

Breakers had teams just a few years ago that could compete with Crabs. How they have fallen.

They left and went to 88+3

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

All the good players went to Evergreen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2023 teams planning to do WSYL? API again?

I am sure Evergreen will be one of the favorites to knock off the LI teams

Is it true Evergreen 2023 is going to play in the 2019 divisions this fall and summer?

Yes and they are going to win it all!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes and they are going to win it all!

After the login rule changed back again the real Evergreen faithful return. Big weekend for the club

Originally Posted by MADERCAVGREENLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes and they are going to win it all!

After the login rule changed back again the real Evergreen faithful return. Big weekend for the club

Hey BOTC.... Can you kick these Evergreen (Lacrosse) off this forum please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

Does MM move onto the next club looking to make a name for themselves, or show some commitment and stay true to 91.md

why do we play fall lacrosse? this is pretty silly- practices once a week for 6 weeks that are doing very little for the kids and a BS tournament or 2. it seriously seems that after one club does it, everyone does it. it is useless and a waste.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why do we play fall lacrosse? this is pretty silly- practices once a week for 6 weeks that are doing very little for the kids and a BS tournament or 2. it seriously seems that after one club does it, everyone does it. it is useless and a waste.

You are right about “if one team does it then the rest follow.” But I still think it’s better than doing nothing. Most kids 8th grade and below don’t train by themselves so those extra practices and then the tournaments are only helping the kids and it’s certainly not making them worse. Lacrosse is a year round sport now for those looking to play at the collegiate level. You may not see it now but watch players In high school who play year round and you’ll see a difference with their skill level and Lacrosse iq.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

Does MM move onto the next club looking to make a name for themselves, or show some commitment and stay true to 91.md

Does MM coach 91MD 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

Does MM move onto the next club looking to make a name for themselves, or show some commitment and stay true to 91.md

Does MM coach 91MD 2023?

He runs the club and is involved with all tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

Does MM move onto the next club looking to make a name for themselves, or show some commitment and stay true to 91.md

Does MM coach 91MD 2023?

He runs the club and is involved with all tryouts

According to many he coaches his sons team and only cares about them ,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

Does MM move onto the next club looking to make a name for themselves, or show some commitment and stay true to 91.md

Does MM coach 91MD 2023?

He runs the club and is involved with all tryouts

According to many he coaches his sons team and only cares about them ,

Is MM's son 2023?

This is dumb. He's a program director so cares about all teams. He obviously spends more time with the teams he coaches. A number of the teams he does not coach are very good (esp 2025). Assume same is true for program directors at MLax, Crabs etc about the teams they don't coach with or without sons on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why do we play fall lacrosse? this is pretty silly- practices once a week for 6 weeks that are doing very little for the kids and a BS tournament or 2. it seriously seems that after one club does it, everyone does it. it is useless and a waste.

So don’t do it. My sons teams practices twice a week now. Will have about 15 practices a few scrimmages and 2 tournaments before the winter when they will go to once a week until late March about 14 practices and 2 tournaments when they go back outside. Teams and kids that do that will absolutely be the superior teams come spring and summer.

MM should leave T91MD and coach Evergreen. Pinnacles of success merging as one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why do we play fall lacrosse? this is pretty silly- practices once a week for 6 weeks that are doing very little for the kids and a BS tournament or 2. it seriously seems that after one club does it, everyone does it. it is useless and a waste.

So don’t do it. My sons teams practices twice a week now. Will have about 15 practices a few scrimmages and 2 tournaments before the winter when they will go to once a week until late March about 14 practices and 2 tournaments when they go back outside. Teams and kids that do that will absolutely be the superior teams come spring and summer.

They should be playing box not field in the fall and winter. The colleges are all moving that direction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is dumb. He's a program director so cares about all teams. He obviously spends more time with the teams he coaches. A number of the teams he does not coach are very good (esp 2025). Assume same is true for program directors at MLax, Crabs etc about the teams they don't coach with or without sons on the team.

Have you seen some of the things written about him?

2023
Rock Lacrosse (MD)
True Lacrosse (IL)
VLC Blue Crabs (VA)
Madlax-Capital 2023 (Greater DC)
3d Mid-Atlantic (VA)
Bethesda LC Blue (MD)
Team 91 Maryland (MD)
Club Blue-MD (MD)
Club Blue-VA (VA)
This looks like a good pool for the MadLax event. At this point I would think Club Blue is the favorite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The owner of Breakers hires Million and within two years MM steals most of Breakers to form team 89 +2. That will go down as a bad hire! LOL

Does MM move onto the next club looking to make a name for themselves, or show some commitment and stay true to 91.md

Does MM coach 91MD 2023?

He runs the club and is involved with all tryouts

According to many he coaches his sons team and only cares about them ,

he was at and the 2023 evals, he is interested in the entire club or at least his pocket is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023
Rock Lacrosse (MD)
True Lacrosse (IL)
VLC Blue Crabs (VA)
Madlax-Capital 2023 (Greater DC)
3d Mid-Atlantic (VA)
Bethesda LC Blue (MD)
Team 91 Maryland (MD)
Club Blue-MD (MD)
Club Blue-VA (VA)
This looks like a good pool for the MadLax event. At this point I would think Club Blue is the favorite.

True (IL) - Mid-west 13-year-olds will beat up on watered down MD & VA teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023
Rock Lacrosse (MD)
True Lacrosse (IL)
VLC Blue Crabs (VA)
Madlax-Capital 2023 (Greater DC)
3d Mid-Atlantic (VA)
Bethesda LC Blue (MD)
Team 91 Maryland (MD)
Club Blue-MD (MD)
Club Blue-VA (VA)
This looks like a good pool for the MadLax event. At this point I would think Club Blue is the favorite.

True (IL) - Mid-west 13-year-olds will beat up on watered down MD & VA teams.

Can a True team that pulls from 4-5 different states beat some 2nd tier VA and MD teams that pull kids from a 15 mile radius? Yes, it can happen. Feel good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023
Rock Lacrosse (MD)
True Lacrosse (IL)
VLC Blue Crabs (VA)
Madlax-Capital 2023 (Greater DC)
3d Mid-Atlantic (VA)
Bethesda LC Blue (MD)
Team 91 Maryland (MD)
Club Blue-MD (MD)
Club Blue-VA (VA)
This looks like a good pool for the MadLax event. At this point I would think Club Blue is the favorite.

When is this Tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023
Rock Lacrosse (MD)
True Lacrosse (IL)
VLC Blue Crabs (VA)
Madlax-Capital 2023 (Greater DC)
3d Mid-Atlantic (VA)
Bethesda LC Blue (MD)
Team 91 Maryland (MD)
Club Blue-MD (MD)
Club Blue-VA (VA)
This looks like a good pool for the MadLax event. At this point I would think Club Blue is the favorite.

True (IL) - Mid-west 13-year-olds will beat up on watered down MD & VA teams.

Can a True team that pulls from 4-5 different states beat some 2nd tier VA and MD teams that pull kids from a 15 mile radius? Yes, it can happen. Feel good?

I would not but Club Blue and Bethesda Blue in the 2nd tier category. True has not played CB as they typically do not play later summer Tournaments but they are at the top in 2023 in MD

2nd tier club blue won hoco aa last year yes this year they have 2 teams but at least one of those teams will be a top team

Maryland Invitational Looks Even Better -- Blandair 10/22

2023: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, FCA, VLC, Next Level

2024: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, Green Turtle, RR, Hawks, BLC, 91 MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland Invitational Looks Even Better -- Blandair 10/22

2023: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, FCA, VLC, Next Level

2024: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, Green Turtle, RR, Hawks, BLC, 91 MD

That 2023 bracket is definitely 'murderers row'; great programs going head to head, that will should be fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland Invitational Looks Even Better -- Blandair 10/22

2023: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, FCA, VLC, Next Level

2024: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, Green Turtle, RR, Hawks, BLC, 91 MD

That 2023 bracket is definitely 'murderers row'; great programs going head to head, that will should be fun to watch.

Too bad the Hawks won't be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland Invitational Looks Even Better -- Blandair 10/22

2023: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, FCA, VLC, Next Level

2024: Crabs, Looneys, Madlax, Green Turtle, RR, Hawks, BLC, 91 MD

That 2023 bracket is definitely 'murderers row'; great programs going head to head, that will should be fun to watch.

Too bad the Hawks won't be there.

Hawks are afraid to post at a tournament this solid in the fall. They will play in one of Hogans weak fall tourneys.

Murderers’ row? Looneys and Madlax each won 2 games in hoco last year. VLC is a first year team at this age from an area already diluted. Crabs and FCA should play each other three times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Murderers’ row? Looneys and Madlax each won 2 games in hoco last year. VLC is a first year team at this age from an area already diluted. Crabs and FCA should play each other three times.

HoCo doesn't mean nothing it's how a team does come tournament time. Ask Crabs, they won HoCo regular season 2 years in a row and lost the championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Murderers’ row? Looneys and Madlax each won 2 games in hoco last year. VLC is a first year team at this age from an area already diluted. Crabs and FCA should play each other three times.

HoCo doesn't mean nothing it's how a team does come tournament time. Ask Crabs, they won HoCo regular season 2 years in a row and lost the championship.

I think Crabs won plenty of tournaments last year and I have a feeling they will do the same next spring and summer as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Murderers’ row? Looneys and Madlax each won 2 games in hoco last year. VLC is a first year team at this age from an area already diluted. Crabs and FCA should play each other three times.

There has been a lot of turnover this year with the dismantling of last years Crabs 2023 Team and kids moving on to other clubs. FCA has definitely upgraded in several key positions; this was already a strong program. Looney's has done the same. Murderers' row should include Hawks and Club Blue; dump VLC and Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Murderers’ row? Looneys and Madlax each won 2 games in hoco last year. VLC is a first year team at this age from an area already diluted. Crabs and FCA should play each other three times.

There has been a lot of turnover this year with the dismantling of last years Crabs 2023 Team and kids moving on to other clubs. FCA has definitely upgraded in several key positions; this was already a strong program. Looney's has done the same. Murderers' row should include Hawks and Club Blue; dump VLC and Madlax.

What positions did FCA upgrade? Their rosters are on website. They added a fogo. 6 attack and only 3 defense which seems odd. Did a defender drop off?

Originally Posted by Fred44

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Murderers’ row? Looneys and Madlax each won 2 games in hoco last year. VLC is a first year team at this age from an area already diluted. Crabs and FCA should play each other three times.

There has been a lot of turnover this year with the dismantling of last years Crabs 2023 Team and kids moving on to other clubs. FCA has definitely upgraded in several key positions; this was already a strong program. Looney's has done the same. Murderers' row should include Hawks and Club Blue; dump VLC and Madlax.

What positions did FCA upgrade? Their rosters are on website. They added a fogo. 6 attack and only 3 defense which seems odd. Did a defender drop off?

Bunch of kids moved to the lower team.... Still Daddy ball.. Dad's kids making the team and have no business on that roster...Kids are told that you can never shoot the ball... pass it to the coaches kids are your only options... If you don't like it you gotta go....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Fred44

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Murderers’ row? Looneys and Madlax each won 2 games in hoco last year. VLC is a first year team at this age from an area already diluted. Crabs and FCA should play each other three times.

There has been a lot of turnover this year with the dismantling of last years Crabs 2023 Team and kids moving on to other clubs. FCA has definitely upgraded in several key positions; this was already a strong program. Looney's has done the same. Murderers' row should include Hawks and Club Blue; dump VLC and Madlax.

What positions did FCA upgrade? Their rosters are on website. They added a fogo. 6 attack and only 3 defense which seems odd. Did a defender drop off?

Bunch of kids moved to the lower team.... Still Daddy ball.. Dad's kids making the team and have no business on that roster...Kids are told that you can never shoot the ball... pass it to the coaches kids are your only options... If you don't like it you gotta go....

With all due respect sir you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Attack and defense are loaded; they upgraded in the circle along with midfielders. My guess is the LSM will be interchangeable with the defense. Should be a fun team to watch.

The schedule is out for the 2017 Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament; nice little tournament on Oct 22 with some good competition. Anxious to see how much some of these teams have changed in a few short months.

11/5 FallFest confirmed programs are not too shabby either. Most of the same teams and throw in Club Blue Md and bunch of Holdbacks from True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

11/5 FallFest confirmed programs are not too shabby either. Most of the same teams and throw in Club Blue Md and bunch of Holdbacks from True.

Crabs has a 2023 holdback on their 2025 team. the kid is 5'4" 135

Originally Posted by Anonymous

11/5 FallFest confirmed programs are not too shabby either. Most of the same teams and throw in Club Blue Md and bunch of Holdbacks from True.

Unless you are referring to a different tournament there are only 2 teams playing in both of these tournaments.

What teams are playing in the North American fall lacrosse Invitational in New Castle, DE on 11/11?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

11/5 FallFest confirmed programs are not too shabby either. Most of the same teams and throw in Club Blue Md and bunch of Holdbacks from True.

Crabs has a 2023 holdback on their 2025 team. the kid is 5'4" 135

And you find that unusual in what way ??

I really don't think FALL Tournaments show much of anything of how team will be in the Spring/Summer of 2018. With falls sports still going most of these teams will not have a full roster at any of these tournaments. It is a great way to get the stick in the boys hands before winter hits but hardly a measuring stick to how good these teams may be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think FALL Tournaments show much of anything of how team will be in the Spring/Summer of 2018. With falls sports still going most of these teams will not have a full roster at any of these tournaments. It is a great way to get the stick in the boys hands before winter hits but hardly a measuring stick to how good these teams may be.

This post got me thinking. I would like to do a poll asking how many kids on each of these teams have kids playing other sports. This is the 7th grade page so I will assume the number per team is kinda of high. But I would really like to know how many on the 2019,2020, and 2021 page still have a high number of kids playing two or more sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think FALL Tournaments show much of anything of how team will be in the Spring/Summer of 2018. With falls sports still going most of these teams will not have a full roster at any of these tournaments. It is a great way to get the stick in the boys hands before winter hits but hardly a measuring stick to how good these teams may be.

This post got me thinking. I would like to do a poll asking how many kids on each of these teams have kids playing other sports. This is the 7th grade page so I will assume the number per team is kinda of high. But I would really like to know how many on the 2019,2020, and 2021 page still have a high number of kids playing two or more sports.

It's really hard to continue to be a multi sport athlete as the boys go along in school. The schools (especially privates) give lip service to it being possible to be a multi sport athlete, and stating on their websites that they encourage it, but the reality is much different. Only the very gifted athlete can play multiple sports in high school - or even for their middle school teams at schools like Loyola. The boys who are making the teams in high school are very often the kids who play one sport year round. There is a subset that plays both, but the number grows smaller as they get older, especially after 10th grade. The less "marquee" sports are where a boy can participate in a second sport - such as wrestling, cross country, track and the like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think FALL Tournaments show much of anything of how team will be in the Spring/Summer of 2018. With falls sports still going most of these teams will not have a full roster at any of these tournaments. It is a great way to get the stick in the boys hands before winter hits but hardly a measuring stick to how good these teams may be.

This post got me thinking. I would like to do a poll asking how many kids on each of these teams have kids playing other sports. This is the 7th grade page so I will assume the number per team is kinda of high. But I would really like to know how many on the 2019,2020, and 2021 page still have a high number of kids playing two or more sports.

I have a 2020 who still plays soccer in the fall and basketball in the winter. He will be missing one fall lax tournament for soccer and will not be playing on his indoor team for the winter because basketball comes first. There are quite a few of 2020’s who are still multi sport athletes. A good coach allows it, even encourages it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think FALL Tournaments show much of anything of how team will be in the Spring/Summer of 2018. With falls sports still going most of these teams will not have a full roster at any of these tournaments. It is a great way to get the stick in the boys hands before winter hits but hardly a measuring stick to how good these teams may be.

This post got me thinking. I would like to do a poll asking how many kids on each of these teams have kids playing other sports. This is the 7th grade page so I will assume the number per team is kinda of high. But I would really like to know how many on the 2019,2020, and 2021 page still have a high number of kids playing two or more sports.

I have a 2020 who still plays soccer in the fall and basketball in the winter. He will be missing one fall lax tournament for soccer and will not be playing on his indoor team for the winter because basketball comes first. There are quite a few of 2020’s who are still multi sport athletes. A good coach allows it, even encourages it.

Well we all hear that the kids should be doing it and they all say you can. But the real question is how many on his team play two or more sports. And how good are his high school teams if he can play on more then one? And what club does he play for that lets him miss so many things? And do you think he gets blacked balled for missing club games/practices?

News flash. The parents with the athletic kid that plays football and basketball don’t care what the lacrosse coach thinks. And that is exactly why the lacrosse coach wants that kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash. The parents with the athletic kid that plays football and basketball don’t care what the lacrosse coach thinks. And that is exactly why the lacrosse coach wants that kid.

I am very aware of the the level of talent it takes to be able to play high school football and lacrosse. But at these larger public high schools or some of the football power house privates I am wondering if the numbers of kids doing both is going down or staying the same. If you are a stud football player you are most of the time a stud lacrosse player but with lacrosse growing in numbers and eyes watching it, i was just wondering if the numbers are going down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash. The parents with the athletic kid that plays football and basketball don’t care what the lacrosse coach thinks. And that is exactly why the lacrosse coach wants that kid.

It's not that they don't care but if your child is athletically blessed then they are game changing for a team and coaches will cooperate in order to have the child on the team.

At this age; 7th grade, if you kid is not playing two+ sports he should be!! Our coach stresses the importance of a 2-3 sport athlete.

This weekend's 2023 action-

Maryland Invitational (Blandair): Crabs, FCA A, Looneys, VLC, Madlax Capital, Next Level

Brine Indian Summer (Jarrettsville) : Koopers, Cavalier, 3d, FCA B, Breakers, Shockwave

Clear distinction of A versus B. Guess there wasn't a Little Sisters of the Poor tournament for Cavs to play in.

Next Level scrimmaged Cavs and it was ugly, like 15-1. Cavs playing in the right tourney.

Next Level also put a 10+ goal beat down on Madlax 2023 FWW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think FALL Tournaments show much of anything of how team will be in the Spring/Summer of 2018. With falls sports still going most of these teams will not have a full roster at any of these tournaments. It is a great way to get the stick in the boys hands before winter hits but hardly a measuring stick to how good these teams may be.

This post got me thinking. I would like to do a poll asking how many kids on each of these teams have kids playing other sports. This is the 7th grade page so I will assume the number per team is kinda of high. But I would really like to know how many on the 2019,2020, and 2021 page still have a high number of kids playing two or more sports.

It's really hard to continue to be a multi sport athlete as the boys go along in school. The schools (especially privates) give lip service to it being possible to be a multi sport athlete, and stating on their websites that they encourage it, but the reality is much different. Only the very gifted athlete can play multiple sports in high school - or even for their middle school teams at schools like Loyola. The boys who are making the teams in high school are very often the kids who play one sport year round. There is a subset that plays both, but the number grows smaller as they get older, especially after 10th grade. The less "marquee" sports are where a boy can participate in a second sport - such as wrestling, cross country, track and the like.

Clearly your kids don't attend MCD. Almost all of their lacrosse starters are 2 and 3 sport athletes.

It was combined Capital/DMV Team. NL only had their A team kids there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This weekend's 2023 action-

Maryland Invitational (Blandair): Crabs, FCA A, Looneys, VLC, Madlax Capital, Next Level

Brine Indian Summer (Jarrettsville) : Koopers, Cavalier, 3d, FCA B, Breakers, Shockwave

Clear distinction of A versus B. Guess there wasn't a Little Sisters of the Poor tournament for Cavs to play in.

Winner from Maryland Invitational gets to play in Leesburg next weekend against Evergreen for the Brine-Warrior-Hogan Aloha Mid-Atlantic 2023 Fall Championship.

"Clearly your kids don't attend MCD. Almost all of their lacrosse starters are 2 and 3 sport athletes"

It seems that paying $30k per year gives you a superiority complex. Clearly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This weekend's 2023 action-

Maryland Invitational (Blandair): Crabs, FCA A, Looneys, VLC, Madlax Capital, Next Level

Brine Indian Summer (Jarrettsville) : Koopers, Cavalier, 3d, FCA B, Breakers, Shockwave

Clear distinction of A versus B. Guess there wasn't a Little Sisters of the Poor tournament for Cavs to play in.

Winner from Maryland Invitational gets to play in Leesburg next weekend against Evergreen for the Brine-Warrior-Hogan Aloha Mid-Atlantic 2023 Fall Championship.

http://www.tribal-lacrosse.com/battle-of-leesburg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This weekend's 2023 action-

Maryland Invitational (Blandair): Crabs, FCA A, Looneys, VLC, Madlax Capital, Next Level

Brine Indian Summer (Jarrettsville) : Koopers, Cavalier, 3d, FCA B, Breakers, Shockwave

Clear distinction of A versus B. Guess there wasn't a Little Sisters of the Poor tournament for Cavs to play in.

Winner from Maryland Invitational gets to play in Leesburg next weekend against Evergreen for the Brine-Warrior-Hogan Aloha Mid-Atlantic 2023 Fall Championship.

This guy is very aware of the second level lacrosse world. These are all the buzz words and titles to know when your team is not elite. If you have a Aloha tournament on your schedule you need to find a better team. Or if your son is not elite this is the prefect place for him. Nothing wrong with it just understand you are playing in the minors and you should not read and talk about the NLF teams like your equals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This weekend's 2023 action-

Maryland Invitational (Blandair): Crabs, FCA A, Looneys, VLC, Madlax Capital, Next Level

Brine Indian Summer (Jarrettsville) : Koopers, Cavalier, 3d, FCA B, Breakers, Shockwave

Clear distinction of A versus B. Guess there wasn't a Little Sisters of the Poor tournament for Cavs to play in.

Winner from Maryland Invitational gets to play in Leesburg next weekend against Evergreen for the Brine-Warrior-Hogan Aloha Mid-Atlantic 2023 Fall Championship.

This guy is very aware of the second level lacrosse world. These are all the buzz words and titles to know when your team is not elite. If you have a Aloha tournament on your schedule you need to find a better team. Or if your son is not elite this is the prefect place for him. Nothing wrong with it just understand you are playing in the minors and you should not read and talk about the NLF teams like your equals.

Crabs, Iron Horse, Philadelphia Freedom, Next Level, VLC, Bethesda, Sweetlax, NXT, API, Edge, and many others all playing this fall in an Aloha tournament this fall and are "first level." Good players play at all levels for a variety of reasons. HS will equal it all out.

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"Clearly your kids don't attend MCD. Almost all of their lacrosse starters are 2 and 3 sport athletes"

It seems that paying $30k per year gives you a superiority complex. Clearly.

No but my intelligence does. I discriminate....I don't tolerate stupidity. LOL

No Annapolis or Richmond Hawks?

What are the scores at McDonogh today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the scores at McDonogh today?

Columbia?
Next Level over crabs
Fca over Looneys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the scores at McDonogh today?

Columbia?
Next Level over crabs
Fca over Looneys

FCA went 3-0; 6-4 over Looney’s, 11-5 over VLC and 6-4 over Crabs. Tourney App won’t refresh so can’t tell you about the other games.

Crabs lost twice today?

I thought Crabs and Looneys were the teams to beat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost twice today?

Yes. Crabs lost twice today. They lost twice all season last year. A bunch of the players that left must have helped them to win so many games. I’ll bet they miss them now.

You wish...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost twice today?

Yes. Crabs lost twice today. They lost twice all season last year. A bunch of the players that left must have helped them to win so many games. I’ll bet they miss them now.

They went to Looneys and Fca. Looks like fca got the best of them.

Fall Ball...Not the time to take results to seriously.

How did the other teams (MADLAX, VLC, and Next Level) do? I heard there was a lot of buzz about VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball...Not the time to take results to seriously.

I agree it a fall Tournament/scrimmage and the first time most of these kids have picked up a stick since summer!! With Fall sports being the priority and some rosters missing key components it is hard to really assess how these teams will be in another 6 months. That being said I think the new additions for FCA, Next Level and Looney's were apparent yesterday and I thought the level of competition was pretty much equal across the board; close games. FCA and Next Level went undefeated; I believe VLC went 0-3, MADLAX went 1-2, Crabs 1-2, and Looney's 1-2. Out of the 1-2 teams I thought Looney's was the most competitive.

Where is 91 md hiding/playing? Did they fold like RR at 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is 91 md hiding/playing? Did they fold like RR at 2023?

I was looking for them as well thinking this was essentially the HOCO AA League from last year. I have no idea what the plans are for this team and even what Fall Tournaments they will be playing in!??

Tough to judge teams in a fall tournament. Especially since most competitive games were decided by a goal or 2 and went down to the wire with a running clock....Most of these kids are juggling 2 to 3 sports at the moment and not focused on lax. Just silly to start ranking teams based on 1 fall tournament... For those who went 3-0 congrats....A lot of talent on those 4 2023 teams... Next Level , Crabs, FCA, and Looneys....

Cav's 2023 dominated proving they are in the discussion to be the top N.VA team in the age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cav's 2023 dominated proving they are in the discussion to be the top N.VA team in the age group

Sir you understand they were playing in the Indian Summer Tournament against second Tier teams? They could not hold a candle to the teams listed above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball...Not the time to take results to seriously.

I agree it a fall Tournament/scrimmage and the first time most of these kids have picked up a stick since summer!! With Fall sports being the priority and some rosters missing key components it is hard to really assess how these teams will be in another 6 months. That being said I think the new additions for FCA, Next Level and Looney's were apparent yesterday and I thought the level of competition was pretty much equal across the board; close games. FCA and Next Level went undefeated; I believe VLC went 0-3, MADLAX went 1-2, Crabs 1-2, and Looney's 1-2. Out of the 1-2 teams I thought Looney's was the most competitive.

2024 dad here and I was in attendance. Like all fall ball, hard to make much out of the results. I know Next Level was missing some key players and they still went 3-0, but every team could say key players were out. Saw the first half of FCA-VLC and it was tied after VLC jumped out to an early lead. Saw half of Looneys-Next Level and Looneys hung in there for stretches. Saw every team play a little bit and all teams looked like elite teams, though not equal elite teams. Weather was great. The only bad thing was the hornets, they were everywhere and saw 2 people stung.

Seem

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cav's 2023 dominated proving they are in the discussion to be the top N.VA team in the age group

Sir you understand they were playing in the Indian Summer Tournament against second Tier teams? They could not hold a candle to the teams listed above.

Seems like the Cavs parents do not understand that it was FCA's B teams that attended Indian Summer. Hey Cavs 2023, how did that scrimmage against Next Level go? You know the answer, and NL was missing some of its best kids for that scrimmage.

I unfortunately was unable to attend the 2017 Fall Lacrosse Tournament (hate working on weekends) and I agree it is difficult to judge these teams this early but which team(s) should we be watching in the Spring? I feel like Crabs may have taken a step back and the others are gaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is 91 md hiding/playing? Did they fold like RR at 2023?

Find out where the 24s and 25s are playing and you will find the 23 players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I unfortunately was unable to attend the 2017 Fall Lacrosse Tournament (hate working on weekends) and I agree it is difficult to judge these teams this early but which team(s) should we be watching in the Spring? I feel like Crabs may have taken a step back and the others are gaining.

Very impressed with Next Level 2023 yesterday. My son is on a 2025 team, but watched two Next Level 2023 games. Good job coaches!

My son plays for VLC and Next Level 2023 was definitely the best team we played yesterday. Every player they put on the field was legit and they have a bunch of studs starting with the face off kid and the lefty attack that shoots about 100 MPH. They are going to be a tough out for anyone. Also heard they are doing World Series of youth lacrosse as the whole team is on age, which I can't believe is actually true.

Ditto here for NL 2023. Good talent. Good coaches. Playing tough and fast. Low d bag factor. Class act.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for VLC and Next Level 2023 was definitely the best team we played yesterday. Every player they put on the field was legit and they have a bunch of studs starting with the face off kid and the lefty attack that shoots about 100 MPH. They are going to be a tough out for anyone. Also heard they are doing World Series of youth lacrosse as the whole team is on age, which I can't believe is actually true.

What was your assessment of VLC? As a new team, probably need to work out some kinks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for VLC and Next Level 2023 was definitely the best team we played yesterday. Every player they put on the field was legit and they have a bunch of studs starting with the face off kid and the lefty attack that shoots about 100 MPH. They are going to be a tough out for anyone. Also heard they are doing World Series of youth lacrosse as the whole team is on age, which I can't believe is actually true.

What was your assessment of VLC? As a new team, probably need to work out some kinks.

I am not a VLC parent I think they are new and did well for a first tournament someone else posted they were even with FCA for a half which is impressive. Maybe a low end AA but sounds like they were competitive and would have possibly won the "other" tournament this weekend. Maybe an upgrade from RR if they enter the Elite HOCO.

A lot of talk about NL; how did they do against Looney’s. I heard Looney’s was the team to beat next yr.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for VLC and Next Level 2023 was definitely the best team we played yesterday. Every player they put on the field was legit and they have a bunch of studs starting with the face off kid and the lefty attack that shoots about 100 MPH. They are going to be a tough out for anyone. Also heard they are doing World Series of youth lacrosse as the whole team is on age, which I can't believe is actually true.

What was your assessment of VLC? As a new team, probably need to work out some kinks.

I am not a VLC parent I think they are new and did well for a first tournament someone else posted they were even with FCA for a half which is impressive. Maybe a low end AA but sounds like they were competitive and would have possibly won the "other" tournament this weekend. Maybe an upgrade from RR if they enter the Elite HOCO.

VLC lost to Madlax Capital by 4 goals (8-4), lost to Next Level by 3 goals (8-5) and lost to FCA by about 5 goals (don't remember the score). Very strong individual midfield play saved the day. Defense and Attack were pretty bad. Looked like VLC belonged in the field but even once VLC gets past the "give us time, we are a new team" stage, doubtful VLC will make any noise in HOCO Elite. As a first year team, go build confidence in the division one down from Elite, VLC should win it all there.

VLC parent here and this is my sons first year playing club lacrosse. The competition was extremely competitive for us this past weekend and overall I thought our kids showed up and put up a pretty good showing!! We are a few kids away from really being able to compete at the AA/Elite level; I agree, but we enjoyed playing against these talented teams. I was extremely impressed with FCA; we hung with them in the first half but this team has a second and 3rd gear that I did not see all day and really shut us down and took over in the second half. From faceoff, transition game, ball movement and defense they were a completely different team in half number 2; we just did not have the horses to stick with them. I am not sure where we will be in the spring but I hope we still are playing at this level of lacrosse it can only benefit this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC parent here and this is my sons first year playing club lacrosse. The competition was extremely competitive for us this past weekend and overall I thought our kids showed up and put up a pretty good showing!! We are a few kids away from really being able to compete at the AA/Elite level; I agree, but we enjoyed playing against these talented teams. I was extremely impressed with FCA; we hung with them in the first half but this team has a second and 3rd gear that I did not see all day and really shut us down and took over in the second half. From faceoff, transition game, ball movement and defense they were a completely different team in half number 2; we just did not have the horses to stick with them. I am not sure where we will be in the spring but I hope we still are playing at this level of lacrosse it can only benefit this team.

Agree. Next Level went up fast on VLC but seemed disinterested in playing after the first 5 minutes. FCA vs NL would have been a good game. My guess is a fired-up NL team would beat FCA. Madlax was surprising small but a lots of speed and stick skills. To compete at AA/Elite, VLC needs several more pieces especially on the offensive end. Expect VLC will be powerhouse in a year or two.

FCA parent here. I don't know where you got that "disinterested in playing" comment. All of us are in the stands, we are not on the field, so I don't know how you can say that. VLC was a solid team and if they just got formed, they are in good shape.

Looney's lost by 2 or 3 goals

No way NL on age to be able to play in WSYL. Nice try. Their FOGO, defenseman who did face offs and attackman are adults playing with boys.

Think what you will, but just know that this team has basically been together since 4th grade when it was an age-based team and before it joined the grade-based HOCO League. So yes, the players are on age.

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No way NL on age to be able to play in WSYL. Nice try. Their FOGO, defenseman who did face offs and attackman are adults playing with boys.

Sorry to disappoint you...but that is the case...all on age...and going to play in the WSYL...might be the only AA local 2023 team that doesn't have a contingent of reclass kids

Though personally, I don't have a huge problem with holdbacks

Wrong! None of the 2023 NL are hold backs. We are heading to WSYL. Btw our face off guy isn’t a FOGO- he plays most of the game and is a big scorer.

It’s actually true! This NL team has been playing together since 3rd or 4th grade with very few additions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No way NL on age to be able to play in WSYL. Nice try. Their FOGO, defenseman who did face offs and attackman are adults playing with boys.

It's only when the entire team looks like adults that it gets ridiculous. My son's team also has true 2023's that are huge but they are not the majority of the team. And it's not just size, there is a fluidity of movement that older boys have along with muscular development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong! None of the 2023 NL are hold backs. We are heading to WSYL. Btw our face off guy isn’t a FOGO- he plays most of the game and is a big scorer.

This is the same team that Looney's whooped on last year at the end of the season; your FOGO aka big scorer is not all that...our guys handled him pretty well last year. I don't see much changing once we get our entire team together in the Spring.

“Whooped on”? Big talk for a team that won 2 games in Hoco over 2 years. Who did Looneys beat this past weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong! None of the 2023 NL are hold backs. We are heading to WSYL. Btw our face off guy isn’t a FOGO- he plays most of the game and is a big scorer.

This is the same team that Looney's whooped on last year at the end of the season; your FOGO aka big scorer is not all that...our guys handled him pretty well last year. I don't see much changing once we get our entire team together in the Spring.

Typical Looney's trash. There's a reason why those kids go to certain MIAA and others - can't afford the higher price tags and those kids can't get in on their own merits.

Yeah class act.... The NL parents screaming at the ref was really classsy... Sitting right behind the bench calling a ref horrible was really classy.....Get a grip

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Whooped on”? Big talk for a team that won 2 games in Hoco over 2 years. Who did Looneys beat this past weekend?

Crab Feast my friend when our entire team was there plus we have upgraded in numerous positions; NL is completed over-rated with little talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong! None of the 2023 NL are hold backs. We are heading to WSYL. Btw our face off guy isn’t a FOGO- he plays most of the game and is a big scorer.

This is the same team that Looney's whooped on last year at the end of the season; your FOGO aka big scorer is not all that...our guys handled him pretty well last year. I don't see much changing once we get our entire team together in the Spring.

I think you're confusing NL w Madlax, who Looneys beat at the end of the Hoco season. NL beat our boys soundly in the Hoco regular season game and then we won by a goal at Crabs tournament - which could have been their best game of the year. NL was the better team Sunday. Let's just enjoy watching them compete and leave the smack talk to others

Don't think Next Level is overrated. NL looked great on Sunday. NL plays in Battle of the Bay this weekend. If NL does well there, questions will be answered. Sorry to break up the earlier VLC lovefest but VLC does not look that great to me. VLC's scoring was limited to athletic middies running through kids topside and cranking it from 10-15 yards out. They had no assisted goals in our game. VLC could not even spin the ball around on EMO without a turnover but I'll give them a break since it was their first tournament. VLC was easily the worst 2023 team at Blandair.

Mr. Looney: so a 5-4 victory in the summer is a whooping? I can honestly say Crabs and FCA have whooped NL before but not sure about Looneys. So on your planet what is a 10-5 Spring Season game? And if I recall that “whooping” was Looneys 1st ever win over NL. So congrats your boys played great that day. Be sure to put up a plaque to memorialize that big W. There should be plenty of room in the Trophy Case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't think Next Level is overrated. NL looked great on Sunday. NL plays in Battle of the Bay this weekend. If NL does well there, questions will be answered. Sorry to break up the earlier VLC lovefest but VLC does not look that great to me. VLC's scoring was limited to athletic middies running through kids topside and cranking it from 10-15 yards out. They had no assisted goals in our game. VLC could not even spin the ball around on EMO without a turnover but I'll give them a break since it was their first tournament. VLC was easily the worst 2023 team at Blandair.

They couldn't spin the ball on EMO? Hyperbole much? Your analysis is based on one game. I heard they lost by a few goals to NL and you guys beat the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't think Next Level is overrated. NL looked great on Sunday. NL plays in Battle of the Bay this weekend. If NL does well there, questions will be answered. Sorry to break up the earlier VLC lovefest but VLC does not look that great to me. VLC's scoring was limited to athletic middies running through kids topside and cranking it from 10-15 yards out. They had no assisted goals in our game. VLC could not even spin the ball around on EMO without a turnover but I'll give them a break since it was their first tournament. VLC was easily the worst 2023 team at Blandair.

They couldn't spin the ball on EMO? Hyperbole much? Your analysis is based on one game. I heard they lost by a few goals to NL and you guys beat the Crabs.

VLC parent. Boys did well as 1st tourney. The offense was disappointing but should improve over time. Believe we have the right pieces on defense and just need time to gel. Not sure we have the horses on offense. I have seen much better offense from A teams in NVYLL Rec.

have not heard much about defending HOCO Elite champs Club Blue. Anyone heard/seen them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have not heard much about defending HOCO Elite champs Club Blue. Anyone heard/seen them?

Drivers Education

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have not heard much about defending HOCO Elite champs Club Blue. Anyone heard/seen them?

Drivers Education

Admittedly poking the bear here, but if you want to see a club with many holdbacks, Club Blue is your poster child. Love they way they play, and the coaching is excellent, but many of the players, esp their top players, should be in 8th grade. Its a Mater Dei/Georgetown Prep thing I guess.

Is the Battle of the Bay schedule out for 2023? If so could someone post it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Battle of the Bay schedule out for 2023? If so could someone post it.

Dukes, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks, Igloo, Next Level, Madlax Capital, Juiced Cherries and some Texas team. Games run 10-3 both days. Dude, way too lazy to type in whole schedule.

Texas mustangs are a very good team at this age group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Battle of the Bay schedule out for 2023? If so could someone post it.

Dukes, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks, Igloo, Next Level, Madlax Capital, Juiced Cherries and some Texas team. Games run 10-3 both days. Dude, way too lazy to type in whole schedule.

It's actually on Tourney Machine this year. Toomey and Petro are stepping it up a notch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

have not heard much about defending HOCO Elite champs Club Blue. Anyone heard/seen them?

Drivers Education

OUCH!!!

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

I thought the only legitimate teams there were the Hawks and Mustangs from Texas at the 2023 level. Next Level did not impress me at all and Richmond was a joke; definitely an A or B team. Lets also be honest; Dukes Lacrosse is a bunch of kids thrown together to play in tournaments to promote the program and make money; there is no TEAM concept there to speak of; do the boys even know each others names?. Watch our for the Hawks this year; they were impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the only legitimate teams there were the Hawks and Mustangs from Texas at the 2023 level. Next Level did not impress me at all and Richmond was a joke; definitely an A or B team. Lets also be honest; Dukes Lacrosse is a bunch of kids thrown together to play in tournaments to promote the program and make money; there is no TEAM concept there to speak of; do the boys even know each others names?. Watch our for the Hawks this year; they were impressive.

Thanks for your opinions Hawks dad.

I'm a Dukes National parent and to answer your question "yes" the boys do know each others last name. For not practicing together and living in different states our boys play as a team and win the tournament....just sayin

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I'm a Dukes National parent and to answer your question "yes" the boys do know each others last name. For not practicing together and living in different states our boys play as a team and win the tournament....just sayin

Please; they get together to play in Tournaments and Gonzo makes money from your ego! This program is a joke. Go to the PA Forum and read some of the comments there; spot on what Gonzo is all about.

And again watch out for the HAWKS 2023; they finished strong last year and are only getting better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the only legitimate teams there were the Hawks and Mustangs from Texas at the 2023 level. Next Level did not impress me at all and Richmond was a joke; definitely an A or B team. Lets also be honest; Dukes Lacrosse is a bunch of kids thrown together to play in tournaments to promote the program and make money; there is no TEAM concept there to speak of; do the boys even know each others names?. Watch our for the Hawks this year; they were impressive.

The hawks lost to the texas mustangs and igloo. Not sure there is much to watch out for from them this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the only legitimate teams there were the Hawks and Mustangs from Texas at the 2023 level. Next Level did not impress me at all and Richmond was a joke; definitely an A or B team. Lets also be honest; Dukes Lacrosse is a bunch of kids thrown together to play in tournaments to promote the program and make money; there is no TEAM concept there to speak of; do the boys even know each others names?. Watch our for the Hawks this year; they were impressive.

The hawks lost to the texas mustangs and igloo. Not sure there is much to watch out for from them this year.

Split with Texas and simply did not show up against IGLOO and only lost both games by one. This team will win HOCO walking away next Spring. I stand by my Dukes comment as well; garbage program and nothing more than self serving.

Dukes beat both of them(Igloo & Mustangs) yesterday....And save me all the nonsense about Gonzo. I've read it all...

The igloo Vs Dukes Game was the most exciting game I have seen in a very long time. As a parent, it is good to see Good lacrosse being played.

A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes beat both of them(Igloo & Mustangs) yesterday....And save me all the nonsense about Gonzo. I've read it all...

Ann AllStar 'Team" put together to compete in tournaments to raise money for Gonzo's Philippine's trip; money well spent Captain Ego! How much coaching goes into those players? My guess is your son couldn't name more than 3 other kids on the team.

Sundays game was great!!!! Boys played hard on BOTH teams...

I was impressed by the athletes that Dukes put on the field...but aren't they really an "all star" team? Coming into a tournament such as this, aren't they supposed to win? I would be curious to see them play against similar national all star teams. The Mustangs looked really solid as well...but is that a similar situation to Dukes? A national team, just based in Texas?

As matter of fact he can...Can name everyone on his team. Thank you... again spare me on Gonzo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was impressed by the athletes that Dukes put on the field...but aren't they really an "all star" team? Coming into a tournament such as this, aren't they supposed to win? I would be curious to see them play against similar national all star teams. The Mustangs looked really solid as well...but is that a similar situation to Dukes? A national team, just based in Texas?

You cant have it both ways! you can not say "We play the best teams and we are elite" Then complain how the other teams built there teams to make them Elite. Lacrosse is not football the amount of kids playing in one area compared to another area is not even. So you can say we kept up with a National team or we beat a National team but if someone from a none hotbed plays for a National team so there elite sons can play elite lacrosse no matter who is making a profit off it should not matter. And if any of you think these elite teams are not all out to win and make money for someone or some group you are blind. Just worry about your son and his skills and fun. Tracing money will only hurt your feelings.

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm a Dukes National parent and to answer your question "yes" the boys do know each others last name. For not practicing together and living in different states our boys play as a team and win the tournament....just sayin

Please; they get together to play in Tournaments and Gonzo makes money from your ego! This program is a joke. Go to the PA Forum and read some of the comments there; spot on what Gonzo is all about.

And again watch out for the HAWKS 2023; they finished strong last year and are only getting better.

And how many Hawks kids played for the Juiced Cherries this weekend? The 24' JC team was 60% Hawks kids. Which is great for the game and the kids. Get out and live a little.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Like a dummy I clicked on the link -

Cavs are #16
3 of the top 5 are LI teams
#7 is DMV

your reading comprehension isn't great

The Dukes advantage is not they're a national team, or that they played as a team, they won because the have older boys for the grade that are just physically more mature than the other teams. This is a short term advantage that has played out in every grade when boys go through 7th and 8th grade. Won't last, never has.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As matter of fact he can...Can name everyone on his team. Thank you... again spare me on Gonzo.

Please spare me that this team is close; the roster changes every month. Again money well spent funding Gonzo's vacations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the only legitimate teams there were the Hawks and Mustangs from Texas at the 2023 level. Next Level did not impress me at all and Richmond was a joke; definitely an A or B team. Lets also be honest; Dukes Lacrosse is a bunch of kids thrown together to play in tournaments to promote the program and make money; there is no TEAM concept there to speak of; do the boys even know each others names?. Watch our for the Hawks this year; they were impressive.

The hawks lost to the texas mustangs and igloo. Not sure there is much to watch out for from them this year.

Split with Texas and simply did not show up against IGLOO and only lost both games by one. This team will win HOCO walking away next Spring. I stand by my Dukes comment as well; garbage program and nothing more than self serving.

Hawks Dad and Cavs Dad need to go have dinner together because they come from a fantasy world. A 3-2 Team in a Fall Tournament going to win HOCO? An A team winning 4 tournaments #16 in world? Both must be on the crazy train

90% of the roster is the same they are just from different states and can't always make tournaments. Most of the kids are from the philly area and play on another team together. I haven't been on the team long but I've seen the same kids each month

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

Mustangs: solid fundamentals. Moved ball well. Good Fogo. Hope to see more of them in summer season

Igloo: solid. Great game with Dukes. Tough to have to play them twice.

Hawks: good better than the spring but wouldn’t be counting trophies yet.

Next Level: did not play well. Looked to be missing a lot of kids from the team we saw last weekend.

Madlax: not good. Should think about moving down in the Spring.

Juiced Cherries: sweet logo but in over head at this tournament.

Richmond Hawks: like most Virginia teams not good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

You're that idiot Madlax dad who runs his mouth. Saw you got worked this past weekend, so you can stop posting now. Jealous that we are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and you aren't? Must kill you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Curious if cavs moving up to AA/elite division in spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

You're that idiot Madlax dad who runs his mouth. Saw you got worked this past weekend, so you can stop posting now. Jealous that we are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and you aren't? Must kill you.

Not the guy who posted before but if you think any Cavs team can play with any Madlax Cap team you are drinking. And it will really kill you when you lose your best 3 to 5 players to Madlax,VLC and Blackwolf in the next two years.

Inside lacrosse just sen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

You're that idiot Madlax dad who runs his mouth. Saw you got worked this past weekend, so you can stop posting now. Jealous that we are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and you aren't? Must kill you.

In order to be in their rankings, you need to be playing in their tournament. - so Cavalier is the 16th best team playing their tournament

All teams included in this ranking meet the WSYL’s age and roster requirements and will be participating in the U.S. Regional Qualifiers in the spring of 2018. [i][/i]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Inside lacrosse just sen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

You're that idiot Madlax dad who runs his mouth. Saw you got worked this past weekend, so you can stop posting now. Jealous that we are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and you aren't? Must kill you.

In order to be in their rankings, you need to be playing in their tournament. - so Cavalier is the 16th best team playing their tournament

All teams included in this ranking meet the WSYL’s age and roster requirements and will be participating in the U.S. Regional Qualifiers in the spring of 2018. [i][/i]

Cavalier 2023 posting a 17th ranking on FB.. What a joke.. They only take 6 out of your region.. let's remove the MD teams that you can't play with. You're not getting past the NJ and PA teams. You are going to be the Kansas State Wildcats of the preseason polls.. 4-4 and 7th place in the Big 12.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Inside lacrosse just sen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

You're that idiot Madlax dad who runs his mouth. Saw you got worked this past weekend, so you can stop posting now. Jealous that we are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and you aren't? Must kill you.

In order to be in their rankings, you need to be playing in their tournament. - so Cavalier is the 16th best team playing their tournament

All teams included in this ranking meet the WSYL’s age and roster requirements and will be participating in the U.S. Regional Qualifiers in the spring of 2018. [i][/i]

Cavalier 2023 posting a 17th ranking on FB.. What a joke.. They only take 6 out of your region.. let's remove the MD teams that you can't play with. You're not getting past the NJ and PA teams. You are going to be the Kansas State Wildcats of the preseason polls.. 4-4 and 7th place in the Big 12.

Jealously. It really doesn't suit you, Madlax housedad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

"Studs"? They come from weak minded families that need them to play down to succeed. In 2 years they will be barely noticeable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Inside lacrosse just sen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

You're that idiot Madlax dad who runs his mouth. Saw you got worked this past weekend, so you can stop posting now. Jealous that we are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and you aren't? Must kill you.

In order to be in their rankings, you need to be playing in their tournament. - so Cavalier is the 16th best team playing their tournament

All teams included in this ranking meet the WSYL’s age and roster requirements and will be participating in the U.S. Regional Qualifiers in the spring of 2018. [i][/i]

Cavalier 2023 posting a 17th ranking on FB.. What a joke.. They only take 6 out of your region.. let's remove the MD teams that you can't play with. You're not getting past the NJ and PA teams. You are going to be the Kansas State Wildcats of the preseason polls.. 4-4 and 7th place in the Big 12.

Jealously. It really doesn't suit you, Madlax housedad.

Earlier this month, Cavs 2023 scrimmaged a shorthanded Next Level 2023 team that was .500 in HOCO last year. Cavs lost by over 10 goals and did not look like they belonged on the same field. Does Cavs only play B tournaments and win them? Yes. Does Cavs belong on any World Ranking? No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes advantage is not they're a national team, or that they played as a team, they won because the have older boys for the grade that are just physically more mature than the other teams. This is a short term advantage that has played out in every grade when boys go through 7th and 8th grade. Won't last, never has.

Igloo looked like a 2023 team in terms of size. Several of the Duke's kids looked like HS players. The LSM who scored the OT goal against Igloo was easily 6'2" and around 200 pounds. The long haired attackman and several of the six foot defensemen can not be on age. No way. I would bet my house that Dukes can't play WSYL because of age restrictions. Igloo is playing WSYL and, when playing kids on age, they will excel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

Mustangs: solid fundamentals. Moved ball well. Good Fogo. Hope to see more of them in summer season

Igloo: solid. Great game with Dukes. Tough to have to play them twice.

Hawks: good better than the spring but wouldn’t be counting trophies yet.

Next Level: did not play well. Looked to be missing a lot of kids from the team we saw last weekend.

Madlax: not good. Should think about moving down in the Spring.

Juiced Cherries: sweet logo but in over head at this tournament.

Richmond Hawks: like most Virginia teams not good.

Thanks for a decent recap...looks pretty spot on from what I saw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the only legitimate teams there were the Hawks and Mustangs from Texas at the 2023 level. Next Level did not impress me at all and Richmond was a joke; definitely an A or B team. Lets also be honest; Dukes Lacrosse is a bunch of kids thrown together to play in tournaments to promote the program and make money; there is no TEAM concept there to speak of; do the boys even know each others names?. Watch our for the Hawks this year; they were impressive.

I find it really funny to see someone post "there is no TEAM concept there to speak of". My son plays on this team and the coaches have been the same coaches since the beginning of the program. Players have been replaced over time with more skilled players but, on the defensive side of the ball especially, the core has been together for a very long time. The kids love each other and have an absolute ball hanging out each month.

The problem with a team that has a lot of talent is that people really hate them and want to find a reason to tear them down. I can tell you, first hand, that this is a great group of boys who play their hearts out and get nothing but hate from outsiders for it. Fortunately for them, they don't know or care to come onto this forum to see posts about how horrible they are for being good lacrosse players by "adults" posting anonymously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

"Studs"? They come from weak minded families that need them to play down to succeed. In 2 years they will be barely noticeable.

Ha! What an absolute joke. PLEASE show me the kids who are "playing down". Outsiders looking at big athletic kids love to make excuses and throw stones. But you have no actual facts and so you hurl insults instead. It's honestly laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes advantage is not they're a national team, or that they played as a team, they won because the have older boys for the grade that are just physically more mature than the other teams. This is a short term advantage that has played out in every grade when boys go through 7th and 8th grade. Won't last, never has.

Igloo looked like a 2023 team in terms of size. Several of the Duke's kids looked like HS players. The LSM who scored the OT goal against Igloo was easily 6'2" and around 200 pounds. The long haired attackman and several of the six foot defensemen can not be on age. No way. I would bet my house that Dukes can't play WSYL because of age restrictions. Igloo is playing WSYL and, when playing kids on age, they will excel.

And this is why it's the only tournament that really counts. All the others are fun and competitive but don't really prove anything, way to much disparity in ages with grade based teams and no true way to compare like athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Inside lacrosse just sen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To all the haters ...

Cavalier 2023 is now ranked #13 IN THE WORLD BY INSIDE LACROSSE. I don't see a lot of DMV teams (or LI teams) on this list. You can all shut up now.

https://www.facebook.com/cavalierla...443/1534325616590966/?type=3&theater

Good point, why are we even reading about Dukes Hawks when CAV's are the 2nd best team in the area according to IL. I think CB, Crabs, MadLax, FCA, Bethesda, 91, Looney's, should all think about playing in Williamsburg if they want to prove they are the best. The rest of us should shut up now.

You're that idiot Madlax dad who runs his mouth. Saw you got worked this past weekend, so you can stop posting now. Jealous that we are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and you aren't? Must kill you.

In order to be in their rankings, you need to be playing in their tournament. - so Cavalier is the 16th best team playing their tournament

All teams included in this ranking meet the WSYL’s age and roster requirements and will be participating in the U.S. Regional Qualifiers in the spring of 2018. [i][/i]

These rankings obviously are nonsense. API was #3 in the 'world' last year, and now they aren't even in the rankings. What happened to them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes advantage is not they're a national team, or that they played as a team, they won because the have older boys for the grade that are just physically more mature than the other teams. This is a short term advantage that has played out in every grade when boys go through 7th and 8th grade. Won't last, never has.

Igloo looked like a 2023 team in terms of size. Several of the Duke's kids looked like HS players. The LSM who scored the OT goal against Igloo was easily 6'2" and around 200 pounds. The long haired attackman and several of the six foot defensemen can not be on age. No way. I would bet my house that Dukes can't play WSYL because of age restrictions. Igloo is playing WSYL and, when playing kids on age, they will excel.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I absolutely LOVE this! I heard the "6'2" 200lb defenseman" had a blue ox with him too!! This is fantastic."several of the six foot defensemen"! This is so awesome.

Turns out that 3 of the kids aren't age eligible and it's by--and get this now--WEEKS (not the years that you so want to claim) that they miss the 9/1/2004 cutoff. Paul Bunyan who scored the game winner misses it by 10 days, I think. So you get to keep your house. But not your dignity. Because if you can't deal with the fact that a team of 12 and 13 year old athletes played a great tournament this weekend without literally making up lies you're going to need to go ahead and offer up your dignity.

Oh and you're going to tell me that EVERY SINGLE kid who played for Igloo this past weekend is going to also make that 9/1/2004 cutoff? If so, then good for the team because they were a very talented, well-coached team that will do well out west. If not--those stones everyone likes to throw at the DN team better be aimed at a lot of other teams as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

"Studs"? They come from weak minded families that need them to play down to succeed. In 2 years they will be barely noticeable.

Ha! What an absolute joke. PLEASE show me the kids who are "playing down". Outsiders looking at big athletic kids love to make excuses and throw stones. But you have no actual facts and so you hurl insults instead. It's honestly laughable.

The only thing laughable is the amount of koolaid your drinking.They have a nice team but they aren't so big when compared to boys the same age. And truthfully that's fine, but show me these studs in three years when those "big athletic kids" are still 5' 8" and just your run of the mill lacrosse players. These types of pluers were the mistakes college coaches are looking forward to not making now early recruiting is over.
PS all the kids are friends so they know how old they are, it's not a big secret.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes advantage is not they're a national team, or that they played as a team, they won because the have older boys for the grade that are just physically more mature than the other teams. This is a short term advantage that has played out in every grade when boys go through 7th and 8th grade. Won't last, never has.

Igloo looked like a 2023 team in terms of size. Several of the Duke's kids looked like HS players. The LSM who scored the OT goal against Igloo was easily 6'2" and around 200 pounds. The long haired attackman and several of the six foot defensemen can not be on age. No way. I would bet my house that Dukes can't play WSYL because of age restrictions. Igloo is playing WSYL and, when playing kids on age, they will excel.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I absolutely LOVE this! I heard the "6'2" 200lb defenseman" had a blue ox with him too!! This is fantastic."several of the six foot defensemen"! This is so awesome.

Turns out that 3 of the kids aren't age eligible and it's by--and get this now--WEEKS (not the years that you so want to claim) that they miss the 9/1/2004 cutoff. Paul Bunyan who scored the game winner misses it by 10 days, I think. So you get to keep your house. But not your dignity. Because if you can't deal with the fact that a team of 12 and 13 year old athletes played a great tournament this weekend without literally making up lies you're going to need to go ahead and offer up your dignity.

Oh and you're going to tell me that EVERY SINGLE kid who played for Igloo this past weekend is going to also make that 9/1/2004 cutoff? If so, then good for the team because they were a very talented, well-coached team that will do well out west. If not--those stones everyone likes to throw at the DN team better be aimed at a lot of other teams as well.

I think everyone can appreciate the boys performance. It's the parents that come on here and pump their chest's we can all do without

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

"Studs"? They come from weak minded families that need them to play down to succeed. In 2 years they will be barely noticeable.

Ha! What an absolute joke. PLEASE show me the kids who are "playing down". Outsiders looking at big athletic kids love to make excuses and throw stones. But you have no actual facts and so you hurl insults instead. It's honestly laughable.

The only thing laughable is the amount of koolaid your drinking.They have a nice team but they aren't so big when compared to boys the same age. And truthfully that's fine, but show me these studs in three years when those "big athletic kids" are still 5' 8" and just your run of the mill lacrosse players. These types of pluers were the mistakes college coaches are looking forward to not making now early recruiting is over.
PS all the kids are friends so they know how old they are, it's not a big secret.

They actually ARE big when compared to boys the same age--that's what everyone is complaining about, right? How big they are? Well this one's going to hurt your theory--they're all 12 or 13. In fact all but 3 are age eligible for the WSYL (which seems to be THE measuring stick for a fair tournament all of a sudden) and the 3 who aren't miss it by literally weeks because they have August birthdays.

I wholly agree that if they stay 5'8" and ONLY depend on their size that wouldn't really work out well. But given that they're being taught how to be lacrosse players and utilize IQs I think they'll be okay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

"Studs"? They come from weak minded families that need them to play down to succeed. In 2 years they will be barely noticeable.

Ha! What an absolute joke. PLEASE show me the kids who are "playing down". Outsiders looking at big athletic kids love to make excuses and throw stones. But you have no actual facts and so you hurl insults instead. It's honestly laughable.

The only thing laughable is the amount of koolaid your drinking.They have a nice team but they aren't so big when compared to boys the same age. And truthfully that's fine, but show me these studs in three years when those "big athletic kids" are still 5' 8" and just your run of the mill lacrosse players. These types of pluers were the mistakes college coaches are looking forward to not making now early recruiting is over.
PS all the kids are friends so they know how old they are, it's not a big secret.

They actually ARE big when compared to boys the same age--that's what everyone is complaining about, right? How big they are? Well this one's going to hurt your theory--they're all 12 or 13. In fact all but 3 are age eligible for the WSYL (which seems to be THE measuring stick for a fair tournament all of a sudden) and the 3 who aren't miss it by literally weeks because they have August birthdays.

I wholly agree that if they stay 5'8" and ONLY depend on their size that wouldn't really work out well. But given that they're being taught how to be lacrosse players and utilize IQs I think they'll be okay.

So let's see you win without them since you "only" have 3

Did any of the Hawks coaches ever play lacrosse before? It was really bizarre the number of violations they had. I know it is fall but then you would expect the other teams to have 8 offsides in 1 game. They also gave up a goal and had a flag for having 5 poles. Obviously the goal waved off the violation so what did they do. Sent 5 poles out for the faceoff. Luckily for them, the refs helped them out and told them they had too many.

They looked very unorganized. Maybe they have only had a practice or 2? Surprised they kept is as close as they did Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anyone attend Battle of the Bay; what teams looked good and what teams disappointed?

Dukes: looked good.better than the summer. Good collection of studs.

"Studs"? They come from weak minded families that need them to play down to succeed. In 2 years they will be barely noticeable.

The only thing laughable is the amount of koolaid your drinking.They have a nice team but they aren't so big when compared to boys the same age. And truthfully that's fine, but show me these studs in three years when those "big athletic kids" are still 5' 8" and just your run of the mill lacrosse players. These types of pluers were the mistakes college coaches are looking forward to not making now early recruiting is over.
PS all the kids are friends so they know how old they are, it's not a big secret.

They actually ARE big when compared to boys the same age--that's what everyone is complaining about, right? How big they are? Well this one's going to hurt your theory--they're all 12 or 13. In fact all but 3 are age eligible for the WSYL (which seems to be THE measuring stick for a fair tournament all of a sudden) and the 3 who aren't miss it by literally weeks because they have August birthdays.

I wholly agree that if they stay 5'8" and ONLY depend on their size that wouldn't really work out well. But given that they're being taught how to be lacrosse players and utilize IQs I think they'll be okay.

So let's see you win without them since you "only" have 3

Two things. First, no one actually believes that there were only 3 that they missed the cutoff by a matter of weeks, but I guess you can make whatever BS claims you want on the internet. And second, without those 3 (and we all know it is higher), Duke's goes 3-2 and misses the finals. I am fine with holdbacks but at least be honest about it. And yes, the entire Igloo roster is on age, which is why you already see them registered and ranked for WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two things. First, no one actually believes that there were only 3 that they missed the cutoff by a matter of weeks, but I guess you can make whatever BS claims you want on the internet. And second, without those 3 (and we all know it is higher), Duke's goes 3-2 and misses the finals. I am fine with holdbacks but at least be honest about it. And yes, the entire Igloo roster is on age, which is why you already see them registered and ranked for WSYL.

So to be clear, regarding the THREE boys (and it's funny how you "know" better than a DN player's father that it's "definitely more than 3"), your assertion is that DN are somehow cheating by having 3 kids who have August 2004 birthdays and are 2023 kids? That's your point? That those 1-4 weeks somehow make them so much more unfair for your son to have to compete against?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two things. First, no one actually believes that there were only 3 that they missed the cutoff by a matter of weeks, but I guess you can make whatever BS claims you want on the internet. And second, without those 3 (and we all know it is higher), Duke's goes 3-2 and misses the finals. I am fine with holdbacks but at least be honest about it. And yes, the entire Igloo roster is on age, which is why you already see them registered and ranked for WSYL.

So to be clear, regarding the THREE boys (and it's funny how you "know" better than a DN player's father that it's "definitely more than 3"), your assertion is that DN are somehow cheating by having 3 kids who have August 2004 birthdays and are 2023 kids? That's your point? That those 1-4 weeks somehow make them so much more unfair for your son to have to compete against?

There is no cheating and to be clear he said 1 of the 3 boys was born in august, "he thinks". The point is they are good strong players because they are older and have matured earlier and while the parents pump their chests the advantage will fade away as other good players grow. And I will guarantee you all the other kids will grow and the advantage will diminish.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no cheating and to be clear he said 1 of the 3 boys was born in august, "he thinks". The point is they are good strong players because they are older and have matured earlier and while the parents pump their chests the advantage will fade away as other good players grow. And I will guarantee you all the other kids will grow and the advantage will diminish.

What you see as "chest pumping" I view as defending our boys. Time and again we, as DN parents, we are made to feel that our sons' accomplishments are somehow lesser because people want to tear them down as "cheaters". All they've done is come out and play the game they love. Many tournaments they're actually verbally abused by opposing teams' fans. Again, being called "cheaters" and told they're "Only winning because they're 2 or 3 years older". It gets really old really quickly.

Who cares about Duke’s, Igloo, etc.?

Cavs 2023 is the BOMB! We are ranked in Inside Lacrosse and should be ranked higher now that Igloo and Next Level lost at Battle on the Bay. Should be #3 at worst. Even Team 91 has not won their last 4 tournaments.

CAVS baby! Whether you like us or don’t like us, learn to love us because we are the best thing goIng.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about Duke’s, Igloo, etc.?

Cavs 2023 is the BOMB! We are ranked in Inside Lacrosse and should be ranked higher now that Igloo and Next Level lost at Battle on the Bay. Should be #3 at worst. Even Team 91 has not won their last 4 tournaments.

CAVS baby! Whether you like us or don’t like us, learn to love us because we are the best thing goIng.

3rd best team in country should play in top division in spring league next spring right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about Duke’s, Igloo, etc.?

Cavs 2023 is the BOMB! We are ranked in Inside Lacrosse and should be ranked higher now that Igloo and Next Level lost at Battle on the Bay. Should be #3 at worst. Even Team 91 has not won their last 4 tournaments.

CAVS baby! Whether you like us or don’t like us, learn to love us because we are the best thing goIng.

3rd best team in country should play in top division in spring league next spring r

Hey Cavs parents you might want to check the websites and start comparing those college commitment list from the clubs you are trying to bad mouth. Those meaningless B tournament trophy's from 7th grade will not get your son on a college roster. Oh and by the way you are paying the same amount of money to play for the Cavs as the elite clubs are charging those kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

90% of the roster is the same they are just from different states and can't always make tournaments. Most of the kids are from the philly area and play on another team together. I haven't been on the team long but I've seen the same kids each month

What rock are you hiding under?? This team has a completely different roster with each tournament.

Personally I thought Igloo was the best Team at this tournament and they are all under the age limit; no other team can say that with a straight face. DN follow the rules and let see how you do against this team in the future??

Great point Igloo Dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Personally I thought Igloo was the best Team at this tournament and they are all under the age limit; no other team can say that with a straight face. DN follow the rules and let see how you do against this team in the future??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Personally I thought Igloo was the best Team at this tournament and they are all under the age limit; no other team can say that with a straight face. DN follow the rules and let see how you do against this team in the future??

Igloo is not all under the age limit

What are you SMOKING...BLC and NL crushed you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Personally I thought Igloo was the best Team at this tournament and they are all under the age limit; no other team can say that with a straight face. DN follow the rules and let see how you do against this team in the future??

Igloo is not all under the age limit

Hate to inform you but we are.

I thought the Texas squad, DN, and Hawks had the best players. The faceoff kid for Texas was outstanding. Hawks probably had the 2-3 best players overall with the big attackman (single-handedly beat NL), LSM, and big defender. DN obviously won with a lot of talent. Igloo kids had great coaching and stick skills and showed a lot of grit against DN. If the Hawks find a faceoff guy they will win a lot of tournaments when it counts.
The NL parents get the award for most embarrassing adults of the weekend. I saw a game (the Hawks game) where the official had to warn them about behavior several times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the Texas squad, DN, and Hawks had the best players. The faceoff kid for Texas was outstanding. Hawks probably had the 2-3 best players overall with the big attackman (single-handedly beat NL), LSM, and big defender. DN obviously won with a lot of talent. Igloo kids had great coaching and stick skills and showed a lot of grit against DN. If the Hawks find a faceoff guy they will win a lot of tournaments when it counts.
The NL parents get the award for most embarrassing adults of the weekend. I saw a game (the Hawks game) where the official had to warn them about behavior several times.

I would agree with the breakdown. I was also at that NL vs Hawks game and the behavior on the sideline was absolutely embarrassing to watch; I feel sorry for the coach of that team!! The FO kid from Texas was the best I witnessed; no one could hang with him on either day. IGLOO impressed me the most; excellent coaching and ball movement, they could have beaten DN. Hawks did not impress me in all honesty; poorly coach to say the least.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about Duke’s, Igloo, etc.?

Cavs 2023 is the BOMB! We are ranked in Inside Lacrosse and should be ranked higher now that Igloo and Next Level lost at Battle on the Bay. Should be #3 at worst. Even Team 91 has not won their last 4 tournaments.

CAVS baby! Whether you like us or don’t like us, learn to love us because we are the best thing goIng.

3rd best team in country should play in top division in spring league next spring r

Hey Cavs parents you might want to check the websites and start comparing those college commitment list from the clubs you are trying to bad mouth. Those meaningless B tournament trophy's from 7th grade will not get your son on a college roster. Oh and by the way you are paying the same amount of money to play for the Cavs as the elite clubs are charging those kids.

Ignore the haters Cavs Nation. We're going to Denver. Cavs 2023 can wave to all the Hawks, DN and TX kids when they are playing on ESPN. It is nice to have a team where all the kids are on age.

To be the man, you have to beat the man. Until we lose a tournament, haters should STFU.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the Texas squad, DN, and Hawks had the best players. The faceoff kid for Texas was outstanding. Hawks probably had the 2-3 best players overall with the big attackman (single-handedly beat NL), LSM, and big defender. DN obviously won with a lot of talent. Igloo kids had great coaching and stick skills and showed a lot of grit against DN. If the Hawks find a faceoff guy they will win a lot of tournaments when it counts.
The NL parents get the award for most embarrassing adults of the weekend. I saw a game (the Hawks game) where the official had to warn them about behavior several times.

I would agree with the breakdown. I was also at that NL vs Hawks game and the behavior on the sideline was absolutely embarrassing to watch; I feel sorry for the coach of that team!! The FO kid from Texas was the best I witnessed; no one could hang with him on either day. IGLOO impressed me the most; excellent coaching and ball movement, they could have beaten DN. Hawks did not impress me in all honesty; poorly coach to say the least.

Richmond Hawks parents were obnoxious and often yelling conflicting instructions to their own players. The coaches should have told all their parents to stop coaching from the sideline. It does not matter if the team was in over its head. Bad look for the new Hawks affiliate.

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

I am about 99% sure that the Cav's guy is the same troll as the Evergreen guy and is not a parent a Cav's player. Just trying to stir the pot. The IL rankings are fake news. There are many teams that could play but do not want to go to WSYL. Is NL the only team from HOCO AA on the list? South River defeated Cav's where are they on the list? However, the Cav troll may be getting back at the Evergreen troll. A real Cav supporter would not post this stuff. If I am wrong just provide your initials we will guess who you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

I thought coaching was very poor for the Hawks that lead to several offsides and penalties and is the attackman the kids that left Crabs 2023?

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/bad-behavior-among-some-parents-impacting-youth-sports/13120381

Must read and watch......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the Texas squad, DN, and Hawks had the best players. The faceoff kid for Texas was outstanding. Hawks probably had the 2-3 best players overall with the big attackman (single-handedly beat NL), LSM, and big defender. DN obviously won with a lot of talent. Igloo kids had great coaching and stick skills and showed a lot of grit against DN. If the Hawks find a faceoff guy they will win a lot of tournaments when it counts.
The NL parents get the award for most embarrassing adults of the weekend. I saw a game (the Hawks game) where the official had to warn them about behavior several times.

I would agree with the breakdown. I was also at that NL vs Hawks game and the behavior on the sideline was absolutely embarrassing to watch; I feel sorry for the coach of that team!! The FO kid from Texas was the best I witnessed; no one could hang with him on either day. IGLOO impressed me the most; excellent coaching and ball movement, they could have beaten DN. Hawks did not impress me in all honesty; poorly coach to say the least.

Richmond Hawks parents were obnoxious and often yelling conflicting instructions to their own players. The coaches should have told all their parents to stop coaching from the sideline. It does not matter if the team was in over its head. Bad look for the new Hawks affiliate.

Texas team all holdbacks. Pony Express Lacrosse Style!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/bad-behavior-among-some-parents-impacting-youth-sports/13120381

Must read and watch......

So good. No one really takes this too seriously. You are all "Twinkletoes" and "gender confused" after a tongue lashing from your wife.

BOTC in the news. Yes!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

I thought coaching was very poor for the Hawks that lead to several offsides and penalties and is the attackman the kids that left Crabs 2023?

I don't know if he ever played for the Crabs. I heard that he was from across the Bay Bridge. I saw teams scheming their defenses to account for him and he was still able to score. My brother coaches football in AA County and he said that he is very good there as well. The Hawks had an outstanding player at every level except face-off which ended up costing them big. I did not see coaching as an issue with the exception of the Igloo game (I only saw the first half) but I chalk that up to fall ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BOTC in the news. Yes!

Can we call [lacrosse] on the mom, her hands are too fat to have an athletic kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the Texas squad, DN, and Hawks had the best players. The faceoff kid for Texas was outstanding. Hawks probably had the 2-3 best players overall with the big attackman (single-handedly beat NL), LSM, and big defender. DN obviously won with a lot of talent. Igloo kids had great coaching and stick skills and showed a lot of grit against DN. If the Hawks find a faceoff guy they will win a lot of tournaments when it counts.
The NL parents get the award for most embarrassing adults of the weekend. I saw a game (the Hawks game) where the official had to warn them about behavior several times.

I would agree with the breakdown. I was also at that NL vs Hawks game and the behavior on the sideline was absolutely embarrassing to watch; I feel sorry for the coach of that team!! The FO kid from Texas was the best I witnessed; no one could hang with him on either day. IGLOO impressed me the most; excellent coaching and ball movement, they could have beaten DN. Hawks did not impress me in all honesty; poorly coach to say the least.

Richmond Hawks parents were obnoxious and often yelling conflicting instructions to their own players. The coaches should have told all their parents to stop coaching from the sideline. It does not matter if the team was in over its head. Bad look for the new Hawks affiliate.

Texas team all holdbacks. Pony Express Lacrosse Style!

I don't know if they were holdbacks or not and honestly don't care. Parents can choose to do whatever they want with their children. I know that they had a few talented players - #3 in particular, they were well coached, and their parents were classy on the sidelines. I look forward to seeing them play again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BOTC in the news. Yes!

Can we call [lacrosse] on the mom, her hands are too fat to have an athletic kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BOTC in the news. Yes!

Can we call [lacrosse] on the mom, her hands are too fat to have an athletic kid.

Must be one of the pig moms from Looneys.

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

The top FOGOs were the Texas and Next Level kid But there were several studs scattered across various teams at different positions
The Long Pole from Dukes was the most dominant across all positions
It should be a fun group to watch over the coming years

It’s the same core of kids every tournament. Only one new kid this tournament that was brought from below the travel line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

90% of the roster is the same they are just from different states and can't always make tournaments. Most of the kids are from the philly area and play on another team together. I haven't been on the team long but I've seen the same kids each month

What rock are you hiding under?? This team has a completely different roster with each tournament.

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

The Texas FoGO was better that day, if he was MUCH BETTER the score would have been 10-3 Texas instead of Dukes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

Hey guys. LI dad here again. My son has played all of the Md teams for years. Great players on every team. We played hawks and lost in a close, awesome game. The righty attack was impressive, but we held him on But, my kid also played on the Warrior All American team against Maryland. When that kid played middie, he was unstoppable. Best player on the field at any position and it wasn’t even close. Take it for what it is, but the kid is legit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

The Texas FoGO was better that day, if he was MUCH BETTER the score would have been 10-3 Texas instead of Dukes

What game were you watching? Texas kid owned the DN kid who was slow throughout the tournament. DN won in spite of poor FO; that team just had better Middie and attack play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

Ahhhhhhhhh I’ll have what this guy is drinking!! Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

The Texas FoGO was better that day, if he was MUCH BETTER the score would have been 10-3 Texas instead of Dukes

What game were you watching? Texas kid owned the DN kid who was slow throughout the tournament. DN won in spite of poor FO; that team just had better Middie and attack play.

why are you tools comparing the play of specific 7th graders?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

Hey guys. LI dad here again. My son has played all of the Md teams for years. Great players on every team. We played hawks and lost in a close, awesome game. The righty attack was impressive, but we held him on But, my kid also played on the Warrior All American team against Maryland. When that kid played middie, he was unstoppable. Best player on the field at any position and it wasn’t even close. Take it for what it is, but the kid is legit.

Which kid was he at Warrior? Is that 16 from the Mid-Atlantic team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

The Texas FoGO was better that day, if he was MUCH BETTER the score would have been 10-3 Texas instead of Dukes

What game were you watching? Texas kid owned the DN kid who was slow throughout the tournament. DN won in spite of poor FO; that team just had better Middie and attack play.

why are you tools comparing the play of specific 7th graders?

Comparing is a bit much - I agree. My intent in a previous post was simply to compliment the players that stood out to me (#3 TX, #9 Hawks in particular) Not to compare. The reality is, these guys are 12-13 years old. Some of the best players will be average later on and some of the average players will become great. I hope they all become great so that we get to enjoy watching them play. Best of luck to all the teams.

Everyone keeps mentioning the "FOGO" from the Texas Mustangs. #3 is not a FOGO--he's a midfielder who faces off and is very good at it. With that being said, you could see how the fact that he was a middie ground him down throughout the tournament and specifically in the final game. DN FOGO started to get the better of him later in the game (not every faceoff, but he did start to win some cleanly) as he was worn down.

As for the guy who said that Texas would have won 10-3 if he was "MUCH BETTER"--not a chance. Aside from at the X, DN were the more talented team in all other positions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

DN Parent here and much like any other team we have both strengths and weaknesses and while we did not have our best day in the circle this weekend our boys will continue to work hard to improve; all of them! Fall Tournaments are just for that; to grow and get better whether its FO, Defense, ground balls, riding, transition, ball movement etc.. you just have to believe in the process and continue to work hard. I love this team and our boys; looking forward to watching each of them improve as lacrosse players!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

Hey guys. LI dad here again. My son has played all of the Md teams for years. Great players on every team. We played hawks and lost in a close, awesome game. The righty attack was impressive, but we held him on But, my kid also played on the Warrior All American team against Maryland. When that kid played middie, he was unstoppable. Best player on the field at any position and it wasn’t even close. Take it for what it is, but the kid is legit.

LI dad here. Thanks Express dad. No clue what you are talking about. Hawks are a mediocre team at best. And whatever Team some MD players played on at the Warrior games was the same. And there was no “unstoppable” player, since LI won all games, unless it was in the eyes of an Express dad, but I would imagine that a lot of players look unstoppable to an Express dad. Nothing impressive on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

The Texas FoGO was better that day, if he was MUCH BETTER the score would have been 10-3 Texas instead of Dukes

What game were you watching? Texas kid owned the DN kid who was slow throughout the tournament. DN won in spite of poor FO; that team just had better Middie and attack play.

why are you tools comparing the play of specific 7th graders?

IDIOT! That’s the purpose of the website. You don’t like it find another website!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

Hey guys. LI dad here again. My son has played all of the Md teams for years. Great players on every team. We played hawks and lost in a close, awesome game. The righty attack was impressive, but we held him on But, my kid also played on the Warrior All American team against Maryland. When that kid played middie, he was unstoppable. Best player on the field at any position and it wasn’t even close. Take it for what it is, but the kid is legit.

LI dad here. Thanks Express dad. No clue what you are talking about. Hawks are a mediocre team at best. And whatever Team some MD players played on at the Warrior games was the same. And there was no “unstoppable” player, since LI won all games, unless it was in the eyes of an Express dad, but I would imagine that a lot of players look unstoppable to an Express dad. Nothing impressive on that team.

Mid-Atlantic won Warrior at age 2023 - not LI. #16 was unstoppable and dominated the LI team. He was clearly the best player there. It wasn't even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone keeps mentioning the "FOGO" from the Texas Mustangs. #3 is not a FOGO--he's a midfielder who faces off and is very good at it. With that being said, you could see how the fact that he was a middie ground him down throughout the tournament and specifically in the final game. DN FOGO started to get the better of him later in the game (not every faceoff, but he did start to win some cleanly) as he was worn down.

As for the guy who said that Texas would have won 10-3 if he was "MUCH BETTER"--not a chance. Aside from at the X, DN were the more talented team in all other positions.

Thank you for saying it!! #3 not only dominated at the field making plays. The kid stood out as one of the top 3-4 kids in the tournament!! I also agree that at the X was the only advantage Texas had over DN. DN was clearly the better team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone keeps mentioning the "FOGO" from the Texas Mustangs. #3 is not a FOGO--he's a midfielder who faces off and is very good at it. With that being said, you could see how the fact that he was a middie ground him down throughout the tournament and specifically in the final game. DN FOGO started to get the better of him later in the game (not every faceoff, but he did start to win some cleanly) as he was worn down.

As for the guy who said that Texas would have won 10-3 if he was "MUCH BETTER"--not a chance. Aside from at the X, DN were the more talented team in all other positions.

Thank you for saying it!! #3 not only dominated at the field making plays. The kid stood out as one of the top 3-4 kids in the tournament!! I also agree that at the X was the only advantage Texas had over DN. DN was clearly the better team.

Yes - solid midfielder. EXCELLENT Faceoff guy. I, for one, never said FOGO. We're splitting hairs here. I'm sure hes a great kid and is clearly an excellent player. Best of luck to him and the Mustangs.

Anyone who says that the Hawks were mediocre wasn't watching the games. The attackman was a monster as was the LSM. They were outstanding - with significant issues gaining possession off the face - and a hiccup or two from the staff. Like I said, when they get the face corrected, they will be tough to beat. I hope I'm wrong and some of their players come back to us. It might make us a AA team. Just kidding - I want all of the kids to do well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Much better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN face off Kid was very good. Surprise to hear that the Texas kid was better.

The Texas FoGO was better that day, if he was MUCH BETTER the score would have been 10-3 Texas instead of Dukes

What game were you watching? Texas kid owned the DN kid who was slow throughout the tournament. DN won in spite of poor FO; that team just had better Middie and attack play.

why are you tools comparing the play of specific 7th graders?

IDIOT! That’s the purpose of the website. You don’t like it find another website!

There is a rules page that says not to discuss specific children. At one point moderators enforced. It's not the intent of this site. At least it shouldn't be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about the Warrior games. The top talent NEVER attends those things. Warrior or Brine event do not hold weight. If your a dad who waves an $800 check in the air to buy a new set of equipment then your in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't see that from Richmond but I also didn't spend much time watching them or the Cherries. Surprised to see that the Annapolis Hawks didn't impress you - they probably lost every faceoff that I watched them take and still only lost by a goal against TX and Igloo. Like I said, they had three of the four best players in the tournament (TX faceoff guy was the other). The Hawks attackman is known in the area as the best player around. I'm a local rec/A level coach and I went to see if we could compete against these teams. We cannot - other than maybe NL. I'm sure we could also hang with the nationally ranked Cavs (lol). Just for fun CAVS fans - no need to beat me up on this forum anonymously.

Hey guys. LI dad here again. My son has played all of the Md teams for years. Great players on every team. We played hawks and lost in a close, awesome game. The righty attack was impressive, but we held him on But, my kid also played on the Warrior All American team against Maryland. When that kid played middie, he was unstoppable. Best player on the field at any position and it wasn’t even close. Take it for what it is, but the kid is legit.

LI dad here. Thanks Express dad. No clue what you are talking about. Hawks are a mediocre team at best. And whatever Team some MD players played on at the Warrior games was the same. And there was no “unstoppable” player, since LI won all games, unless it was in the eyes of an Express dad, but I would imagine that a lot of players look unstoppable to an Express dad. Nothing impressive on that team.

Mid-Atlantic won Warrior at age 2023 - not LI. #16 was unstoppable and dominated the LI team. He was clearly the best player there. It wasn't even close.

FALLFEST in Poolesville

2023AA

True National
Club Blue MD
Bethesda LC Blue
Madlax Capital
Team 91 MD
VLC

2023A

Next Level Spartan Red
3d Mid Atlantic
Rock Lacrossse
Club Blue NOVA

Probably True in AA and Next Level's B team in A.

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone keeps mentioning the "FOGO" from the Texas Mustangs. #3 is not a FOGO--he's a midfielder who faces off and is very good at it. With that being said, you could see how the fact that he was a middie ground him down throughout the tournament and specifically in the final game. DN FOGO started to get the better of him later in the game (not every faceoff, but he did start to win some cleanly) as he was worn down.

As for the guy who said that Texas would have won 10-3 if he was "MUCH BETTER"--not a chance. Aside from at the X, DN were the more talented team in all other positions.

Thank you for saying it!! #3 not only dominated at the field making plays. The kid stood out as one of the top 3-4 kids in the tournament!! I also agree that at the X was the only advantage Texas had over DN. DN was clearly the better team.

Yes - solid midfielder. EXCELLENT Faceoff guy. I, for one, never said FOGO. We're splitting hairs here. I'm sure hes a great kid and is clearly an excellent player. Best of luck to him and the Mustangs.

Anyone who says that the Hawks were mediocre wasn't watching the games. The attackman was a monster as was the LSM. They were outstanding - with significant issues gaining possession off the face - and a hiccup or two from the staff. Like I said, when they get the face corrected, they will be tough to beat. I hope I'm wrong and some of their players come back to us. It might make us a AA team. Just kidding - I want all of the kids to do well.

A couple kids are quitting the Hawks team after the fall. They will not even make the playoffs.

Where are they going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are they going?

We will take #'s 9, 11, and 16 please...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are they going?

High school team for the Spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are they going?

We will take #'s 9, 11, and 16 please...

11 or 16(forgot the numbers) is one of the coaches son and NEVER comes off the field. Would be strange if he left unless he wanted to play offense or something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

MadLax did not wins game in the Madlax fall fest. Cav's are now the top team in VA at 2034

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

MadLax did not wins game in the Madlax fall fest. Cav's are now the top team in VA at 2034

The Cavs are the best team in the history of youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

MadLax did not wins game in the Madlax fall fest. Cav's are now the top team in VA at 2034

The Cavs are the best team in the history of youth lacrosse.

In your home town??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

MadLax did not wins game in the Madlax fall fest. Cav's are now the top team in VA at 2034

That was the Madlax DMV team not the Capital team. They stop sending there top teams to there own tournaments after 6 grade or so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are they going?

We will take #'s 9, 11, and 16 please...

11 or 16(forgot the numbers) is one of the coaches son and NEVER comes off the field. Would be strange if he left unless he wanted to play offense or something.

OK- those boys are on age. None of them are "holdbacks"- preK or otherwise. And none of them are leaving. just FYI

that's BS they do and they lost...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

MadLax did not wins game in the Madlax fall fest. Cav's are now the top team in VA at 2034

That was the Madlax DMV team not the Capital team. They stop sending there top teams to there own tournaments after 6 grade or so.

At 2023 age group that was Madlax top team yesterday that went 0-3. Another surprise was that last year's HOCO champs Club Blue 1-2, T91 1-2. The True National team was the best team by a mile.

What the [lacrosse] happened to Club Blue yesterday? Lost to 88+3; True and BLC looked very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the [lacrosse] happened to Club Blue yesterday? Lost to 88+3; True and BLC looked very good.

No one wants to hear it but Club Blue and Madlax Capital were missing key players who will not be missing in the spring, but every team could probably say the same. This is like pre-season NFL football. Fools gold for those who put too much into fall results. Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True. Hate Poolesville fields. Horse crap all over the place. Five feet between fields leaving almost no room for parents to watch. More space for tents at tent cities in third world countries. Terrible drainage for most of fields. Never enough portapotties. MDLX needs to find a different location for its events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the [lacrosse] happened to Club Blue yesterday? Lost to 88+3; True and BLC looked very good.

No one wants to hear it but Club Blue and Madlax Capital were missing key players who will not be missing in the spring, but every team could probably say the same. This is like pre-season NFL football. Fools gold for those who put too much into fall results. Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True. Hate Poolesville fields. Horse crap all over the place. Five feet between fields leaving almost no room for parents to watch. More space for tents at tent cities in third world countries. Terrible drainage for most of fields. Never enough portapotties. MDLX needs to find a different location for its events.

You are right no one wants to hear it. All teams played in the same conditions. Both teams were outplayed. One or two players would. It have changed that. BLC looked improved with the extra yellow helmets

yes one of the fields was under water and the players couldn't find the ball for a while.

“Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True.”

If that were the case Club Blue should have dominated too, guess the 6’-3” Warrior All American doesn’t count.

Give credit where credit is due, Club Blue got out played by a much smaller and younger 91 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the [lacrosse] happened to Club Blue yesterday? Lost to 88+3; True and BLC looked very good.

No one wants to hear it but Club Blue and Madlax Capital were missing key players who will not be missing in the spring, but every team could probably say the same. This is like pre-season NFL football. Fools gold for those who put too much into fall results. Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True. Hate Poolesville fields. Horse crap all over the place. Five feet between fields leaving almost no room for parents to watch. More space for tents at tent cities in third world countries. Terrible drainage for most of fields. Never enough portapotties. MDLX needs to find a different location for its events.

Guess your team lost! Better Luck next time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

MadLax did not wins game in the Madlax fall fest. Cav's are now the top team in VA at 2034

That was the Madlax DMV team not the Capital team. They stop sending there top teams to there own tournaments after 6 grade or so.

At 2023 age group that was Madlax top team yesterday that went 0-3. Another surprise was that last year's HOCO champs Club Blue 1-2, T91 1-2. The True National team was the best team by a mile.

Best team by a mile...hmmm, don't think so. Bethesda played them to a 5-4 overtime loss even with the 6'2" defenseman that is normally a holdback on True North's 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What the [lacrosse] happened to Club Blue yesterday? Lost to 88+3; True and BLC looked very good.

No one wants to hear it but Club Blue and Madlax Capital were missing key players who will not be missing in the spring, but every team could probably say the same. This is like pre-season NFL football. Fools gold for those who put too much into fall results. Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True. Hate Poolesville fields. Horse crap all over the place. Five feet between fields leaving almost no room for parents to watch. More space for tents at tent cities in third world countries. Terrible drainage for most of fields. Never enough portapotties. MDLX needs to find a different location for its events.

You are right no one wants to hear it. All teams played in the same conditions. Both teams were outplayed. One or two players would. It have changed that. BLC looked improved with the extra yellow helmets

Guess you didn't notice that the yellow helmets on BLC don't start. There are other reasons they looked better.

It is probably way to early for this but since some of the key fall tournaments have concluded I see some shifts in the rankings going into spring:

Top Tier: (in no order)
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
NL
BLC
Looney's
Middle Tier:
91
Madlax
Club Blue
VLC
Cav's
SR
API
Lower Middle Tier:
FCA-W
Hawks-B
3d
Lax Factory
PLC
PG
G
Not sure of the rest but there will be close games among a host of teams in B
Koopers, Ground Control, Wolfpack, Rock, NL (red), Club Blue VA, Gator....
All in all it is a strong age group. This is open for discussion but my $.02 is that fall does change the rankings, not just the result in tournaments but the changes in rosters after tryouts. Many players moved teams. All teams may have been missing players. Unless the missing player was a team's goalie and the only goalie on the team, that is not an excuse. Top players do play other sports but also do pick up sticks in the fall. Funny to hear the field condition was an excuse for a club that hosted a tournament. The question going into spring will be which teams will move up or down in the HOCO divisions? Which teams surprised this fall? Most improved? Most depleted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True.”

If that were the case Club Blue should have dominated too, guess the 6’-3” Warrior All American doesn’t count.

Give credit where credit is due, Club Blue got out played by a much smaller and younger 91 team.

Team 91 parent there and obviously delusional; did you watch your team against BLC and a very average VLC Team? Team 91 scored the second fewest goals (11) while giving up the most (27). Hang your hat on a win over a depleted Club Blue team; anxious to see what they do against you in the Spring. How many out of state kids were you playing with Sunday? This club is a joke but enjoy that win to make yourself feel like you belong with the elite teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True.”

If that were the case Club Blue should have dominated too, guess the 6’-3” Warrior All American doesn’t count.

Give credit where credit is due, Club Blue got out played by a much smaller and younger 91 team.

Team 91 parent there and obviously delusional; did you watch your team against BLC and a very average VLC Team? Team 91 scored the second fewest goals (11) while giving up the most (27). Hang your hat on a win over a depleted Club Blue team; anxious to see what they do against you in the Spring. How many out of state kids were you playing with Sunday? This club is a joke but enjoy that win to make yourself feel like you belong with the elite teams.

Very average VLC team? That just got put together, beat Madlax, beat Team 91 by 6 goals and was losing by 1 goal to Bethesda in the 2nd half before losing by 3? Ok lax dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True.”

If that were the case Club Blue should have dominated too, guess the 6’-3” Warrior All American doesn’t count.

Give credit where credit is due, Club Blue got out played by a much smaller and younger 91 team.

Team 91 parent there and obviously delusional; did you watch your team against BLC and a very average VLC Team? Team 91 scored the second fewest goals (11) while giving up the most (27). Hang your hat on a win over a depleted Club Blue team; anxious to see what they do against you in the Spring. How many out of state kids were you playing with Sunday? This club is a joke but enjoy that win to make yourself feel like you belong with the elite teams.

OUCH! Lost does sting , Next Spring wont be any different, cant wait

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True.”

If that were the case Club Blue should have dominated too, guess the 6’-3” Warrior All American doesn’t count.

Give credit where credit is due, Club Blue got out played by a much smaller and younger 91 team.

Team 91 parent there and obviously delusional; did you watch your team against BLC and a very average VLC Team? Team 91 scored the second fewest goals (11) while giving up the most (27). Hang your hat on a win over a depleted Club Blue team; anxious to see what they do against you in the Spring. How many out of state kids were you playing with Sunday? This club is a joke but enjoy that win to make yourself feel like you belong with the elite teams.

Very average VLC team? That just got put together, beat Madlax, beat Team 91 by 6 goals and was losing by 1 goal to Bethesda in the 2nd half before losing by 3? Ok lax dad.

VLC playing against elite competition would get crushed; they are an average A team moving forward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True.”

If that were the case Club Blue should have dominated too, guess the 6’-3” Warrior All American doesn’t count.

Give credit where credit is due, Club Blue got out played by a much smaller and younger 91 team.

Team 91 parent there and obviously delusional; did you watch your team against BLC and a very average VLC Team? Team 91 scored the second fewest goals (11) while giving up the most (27). Hang your hat on a win over a depleted Club Blue team; anxious to see what they do against you in the Spring. How many out of state kids were you playing with Sunday? This club is a joke but enjoy that win to make yourself feel like you belong with the elite teams.

OUCH! Lost does sting , Next Spring wont be any different, cant wait

Chances are we won't see you since Club Blue will be playing in the elite division while you struggle playing A lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Terrible field conditions and steady drizzle also helped skew results to favor larger teams like True.”

If that were the case Club Blue should have dominated too, guess the 6’-3” Warrior All American doesn’t count.

Give credit where credit is due, Club Blue got out played by a much smaller and younger 91 team.

Team 91 parent there and obviously delusional; did you watch your team against BLC and a very average VLC Team? Team 91 scored the second fewest goals (11) while giving up the most (27). Hang your hat on a win over a depleted Club Blue team; anxious to see what they do against you in the Spring. How many out of state kids were you playing with Sunday? This club is a joke but enjoy that win to make yourself feel like you belong with the elite teams.

Very average VLC team? That just got put together, beat Madlax, beat Team 91 by 6 goals and was losing by 1 goal to Bethesda in the 2nd half before losing by 3? Ok lax dad.

VLC playing against elite competition would get crushed; they are an average A team moving forward.

Please clarify, who are the elite teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is probably way to early for this but since some of the key fall tournaments have concluded I see some shifts in the rankings going into spring:

Top Tier: (in no order)
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
NL
BLC
Looney's
Middle Tier:
91
Madlax
Club Blue
VLC
Cav's
SR
API
Lower Middle Tier:
FCA-W
Hawks-B
3d
Lax Factory
PLC
PG
G
Not sure of the rest but there will be close games among a host of teams in B
Koopers, Ground Control, Wolfpack, Rock, NL (red), Club Blue VA, Gator....
All in all it is a strong age group. This is open for discussion but my $.02 is that fall does change the rankings, not just the result in tournaments but the changes in rosters after tryouts. Many players moved teams. All teams may have been missing players. Unless the missing player was a team's goalie and the only goalie on the team, that is not an excuse. Top players do play other sports but also do pick up sticks in the fall. Funny to hear the field condition was an excuse for a club that hosted a tournament. The question going into spring will be which teams will move up or down in the HOCO divisions? Which teams surprised this fall? Most improved? Most depleted?

So Club Blue goes from winning HOCO AA Elite to being a Middle Tier team after a fall season where none of the teams have full rosters. Kind of kills the credibility of everything else you have to say.

HOCO AA Elite should have 8 teams. Easier for final playoff bracket. Your 6 plus Club Blue and Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of Leesburg U13

Evergreen 2023, Evergreen 2024, Team Md 2023, Team MD 2024, Fall Line, Battlelax, Prospects, Md Extreme, Peninsula, Revolution

Shocked not to see Cavs 2023 playing. Seems like their kind of tourney.

Your jealously of Cavalier 2023 is sad. Why denigrate kids just because they are ranked by Inside Lacrosse and your club is not. Must you rain on their parade for this undefeated/tournament winning streak they're on?

MadLax did not wins game in the Madlax fall fest. Cav's are now the top team in VA at 2034

That was the Madlax DMV team not the Capital team. They stop sending there top teams to there own tournaments after 6 grade or so.

At 2023 age group that was Madlax top team yesterday that went 0-3. Another surprise was that last year's HOCO champs Club Blue 1-2, T91 1-2. The True National team was the best team by a mile.

Best team by a mile...hmmm, don't think so. Bethesda played them to a 5-4 overtime loss even with the 6'2" defenseman that is normally a holdback on True North's 2022 team.

Funny how you neglect to mention True beat Bethesda 9-1 in opening round play. So, True was 2-0 with +9 goal differential against Bethesda. Sounds like a mile to me. Only Cavs can beat True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is probably way to early for this but since some of the key fall tournaments have concluded I see some shifts in the rankings going into spring:

Top Tier: (in no order)
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
NL
BLC
Looney's
Middle Tier:
91
Madlax
Club Blue
VLC
Cav's
SR
API
Lower Middle Tier:
FCA-W
Hawks-B
3d
Lax Factory
PLC
PG
G
Not sure of the rest but there will be close games among a host of teams in B
Koopers, Ground Control, Wolfpack, Rock, NL (red), Club Blue VA, Gator....
All in all it is a strong age group. This is open for discussion but my $.02 is that fall does change the rankings, not just the result in tournaments but the changes in rosters after tryouts. Many players moved teams. All teams may have been missing players. Unless the missing player was a team's goalie and the only goalie on the team, that is not an excuse. Top players do play other sports but also do pick up sticks in the fall. Funny to hear the field condition was an excuse for a club that hosted a tournament. The question going into spring will be which teams will move up or down in the HOCO divisions? Which teams surprised this fall? Most improved? Most depleted?

So Club Blue goes from winning HOCO AA Elite to being a Middle Tier team after a fall season where none of the teams have full rosters. Kind of kills the credibility of everything else you have to say.

HOCO AA Elite should have 8 teams. Easier for final playoff bracket. Your 6 plus Club Blue and Madlax.

I will give you the benefit of doubt that CB may just have had a really off day. Missing players?? Maybe but Madlax may be the third best team in N.VA at this point.

I apologize to the rest of the board for responding to and encouraging a troll, but just two weeks ago a short-handed Bethesda team beat the living snot out of Cavs. 10-1 if memory serves. Seemed like good kids and coaches, maybe a program on the upswing, but in terms of the truly good teams in the area, currently a doormat. You are doing them a disservice with your rants and provocation. They should play the good teams to get better and teams at their level to compete, but it's unfortunate that they're apparently saddled with jerks, trolls and lunatics pumping their prospects. They are currently, at best, a middling regional/rec-level team. I certainly hope they get better and wish them the best. The more competition, the better for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I apologize to the rest of the board for responding to and encouraging a troll, but just two weeks ago a short-handed Bethesda team beat the living snot out of Cavs. 10-1 if memory serves. Seemed like good kids and coaches, maybe a program on the upswing, but in terms of the truly good teams in the area, currently a doormat. You are doing them a disservice with your rants and provocation. They should play the good teams to get better and teams at their level to compete, but it's unfortunate that they're apparently saddled with jerks, trolls and lunatics pumping their prospects. They are currently, at best, a middling regional/rec-level team. I certainly hope they get better and wish them the best. The more competition, the better for everyone.

A month ago, Next Level minus several starters beat Cavs by well over 10 goals. Cavs clearly not ready for prime time. But as mentioned above, nothing wrong with that. At least thirty 2023 teams in DMV. Unfair to throw rocks at those who are not Top 5. Play. Have fun. Get better. By the time they hit high school, all these teams will look different with teams moving up and down these untested and unprovable imaginary rankings offered by anonymous dads with nothing better to do.

[/quote] At 2023 age group that was Madlax top team yesterday that went 0-3. Another surprise was that last year's HOCO champs Club Blue 1-2, T91 1-2. The True National team was the best team by a mile.[/quote]
Best team by a mile...hmmm, don't think so. Bethesda played them to a 5-4 overtime loss even with the 6'2" defenseman that is normally a holdback on True North's 2022 team. [/quote]
Funny how you neglect to mention True beat Bethesda 9-1 in opening round play. So, True was 2-0 with +9 goal differential against Bethesda. Sounds like a mile to me. Only Cavs can beat True.[/quote]

Well True North thought enough of BLC's competition to ask for a rematch when they're in town again in a weeks.

fall ball is quickly coming to an end. All the kids that play football will be back. And Club blue(cheater hold backs) will be on top of Hoco again.
Elite
Club Blue king of the castle with the most hold backs
Crabs took a hit
BLC improved with new kids
Hawks solid
Next Level only team with NO HOLDBACK
FCA improved
Looney's who knows
Madlax won't win a game should drop
AA
team 89+2 lax factory API south river cannons cavaliers(best team in Virginia can't hang with any elite teams) PG this will be a fun bracket. Good luck to all

Calling all 2023 kids who are good but not happy with your team!! Madlax has 3 tryouts a year go to the website and sign up for the Spring tryouts. There 2023 team is not good at this time but this team will be playing at all the top events and in front of all the top college coaches. During the next 5 years. No one on here can argue the fact that Madlax will be at the best tournaments. If you are smart this is the prefect grade and time to come to a Madlax team. I promise you other good players from the Cavs and other B level teams will be at these spring and summer tryouts . Get in now. I will sit back and let the Madlax hatters chyme in to this post but there hate should prove to you I am correct and you need to put your son in a better spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fall ball is quickly coming to an end. All the kids that play football will be back. And Club blue(cheater hold backs) will be on top of Hoco again.
Elite
Club Blue king of the castle with the most hold backs
Crabs took a hit
BLC improved with new kids
Hawks solid
Next Level only team with NO HOLDBACK
FCA improved
Looney's who knows
Madlax won't win a game should drop
AA
team 89+2 lax factory API south river cannons cavaliers(best team in Virginia can't hang with any elite teams) PG this will be a fun bracket. Good luck to all

I agree; Fall Tournaments are very difficult to judge for several reasons but I do agree Club Blue will still be the team to beat once they get the entire roster on the field. I was at the tournament in Columbia a few weeks ago and I th9ought FCA and NL stood out over the rest of the field. Crabs surely did not look like the same team from last year and Looney's looked big and aggressive but was slow and I impressed with ball their ball movement. If I were to rank the Elite teams based on the some of the lacrosse I saw this Fall my ranking would be:

FCA - much improved and well coached; strong at all key positions, FOGO is scrappy and attack is very strong. I felt they were the most complete team.
Hawks - excellent team; need help at the X. Strong Middie play and tough defensively. Hawks could be easily number 1 as well
NL - great team all around but seemed to be inconsistent from tournament to tournament. Strong at the X and fast. Depending on which team shows up they could beat anyone in the elite division.
Crabs - just because they're crabs and I can not see them falling much further than this; in fact I would not be surprised if they ended up the top team at the end of the year. Strong Goalie play and the attack is still their strength. I believe I saw to FOGO's and both were decent.
Club Blue - see above comment. I have to believe they are missing players this Fall. They looked very mediocre against average competition this past weekend; very poor play at the X.
BLC - I think this team may end up surprising a few team this year. A lot of talent with very strong attack play.
Looney's - I was not impressed with this team but I know they acquired some talent from Crabs and my guess is they will be somewhat stronger in the Spring. I just don't think they can compete with the truly elite teams (Top 3-4) above them. I like their attack play.
Madlax - This team may need to move to AA, but who replaces them? VLC I think looked the best of the AA teams and could compete against the lower tiered Elite Teams

Again tough to really know at this time of the year but this is what I saw over the past 4 weeks. And in case you are wondering I am a BLC parent.

What is PG?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fall ball is quickly coming to an end. All the kids that play football will be back. And Club blue(cheater hold backs) will be on top of Hoco again.
Elite
Club Blue king of the castle with the most hold backs
Crabs took a hit
BLC improved with new kids
Hawks solid
Next Level only team with NO HOLDBACK
FCA improved
Looney's who knows
Madlax won't win a game should drop
AA
team 89+2 lax factory API south river cannons cavaliers(best team in Virginia can't hang with any elite teams) PG this will be a fun bracket. Good luck to all

I agree; Fall Tournaments are very difficult to judge for several reasons but I do agree Club Blue will still be the team to beat once they get the entire roster on the field. I was at the tournament in Columbia a few weeks ago and I th9ought FCA and NL stood out over the rest of the field. Crabs surely did not look like the same team from last year and Looney's looked big and aggressive but was slow and I impressed with ball their ball movement. If I were to rank the Elite teams based on the some of the lacrosse I saw this Fall my ranking would be:

FCA - much improved and well coached; strong at all key positions, FOGO is scrappy and attack is very strong. I felt they were the most complete team.
Hawks - excellent team; need help at the X. Strong Middie play and tough defensively. Hawks could be easily number 1 as well
NL - great team all around but seemed to be inconsistent from tournament to tournament. Strong at the X and fast. Depending on which team shows up they could beat anyone in the elite division.
Crabs - just because they're crabs and I can not see them falling much further than this; in fact I would not be surprised if they ended up the top team at the end of the year. Strong Goalie play and the attack is still their strength. I believe I saw to FOGO's and both were decent.
Club Blue - see above comment. I have to believe they are missing players this Fall. They looked very mediocre against average competition this past weekend; very poor play at the X.
BLC - I think this team may end up surprising a few team this year. A lot of talent with very strong attack play.
Looney's - I was not impressed with this team but I know they acquired some talent from Crabs and my guess is they will be somewhat stronger in the Spring. I just don't think they can compete with the truly elite teams (Top 3-4) above them. I like their attack play.
Madlax - This team may need to move to AA, but who replaces them? VLC I think looked the best of the AA teams and could compete against the lower tiered Elite Teams

Again tough to really know at this time of the year but this is what I saw over the past 4 weeks. And in case you are wondering I am a BLC parent.

Strong commitment to go to Columbia few Sundays ago to watch kids lacrosse when your sons team wasn't playing. I think the teams are all pretty close. Looney's beat CB in regular season and I think beat NL and FCA in summer play. So they shoul compete especially since they added some of the Crabs players. It will be interesting to see how they set up the top division. If they just have Crabs, FCA, CB, NL, BLC, HAwks & Looneys in elite -- all team play each other in reg season and all should be competitive. Madlax, 91, VLC, South River, Cavalier, API, Lax Factory maybe a good 7 team AA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fall ball is quickly coming to an end. All the kids that play football will be back. And Club blue(cheater hold backs) will be on top of Hoco again.
Elite
Club Blue king of the castle with the most hold backs
Crabs took a hit
BLC improved with new kids
Hawks solid
Next Level only team with NO HOLDBACK
FCA improved
Looney's who knows
Madlax won't win a game should drop
AA
team 89+2 lax factory API south river cannons cavaliers(best team in Virginia can't hang with any elite teams) PG this will be a fun bracket. Good luck to all

I agree; Fall Tournaments are very difficult to judge for several reasons but I do agree Club Blue will still be the team to beat once they get the entire roster on the field. I was at the tournament in Columbia a few weeks ago and I th9ought FCA and NL stood out over the rest of the field. Crabs surely did not look like the same team from last year and Looney's looked big and aggressive but was slow and I impressed with ball their ball movement. If I were to rank the Elite teams based on the some of the lacrosse I saw this Fall my ranking would be:

FCA - much improved and well coached; strong at all key positions, FOGO is scrappy and attack is very strong. I felt they were the most complete team.
Hawks - excellent team; need help at the X. Strong Middie play and tough defensively. Hawks could be easily number 1 as well
NL - great team all around but seemed to be inconsistent from tournament to tournament. Strong at the X and fast. Depending on which team shows up they could beat anyone in the elite division.
Crabs - just because they're crabs and I can not see them falling much further than this; in fact I would not be surprised if they ended up the top team at the end of the year. Strong Goalie play and the attack is still their strength. I believe I saw to FOGO's and both were decent.
Club Blue - see above comment. I have to believe they are missing players this Fall. They looked very mediocre against average competition this past weekend; very poor play at the X.
BLC - I think this team may end up surprising a few team this year. A lot of talent with very strong attack play.
Looney's - I was not impressed with this team but I know they acquired some talent from Crabs and my guess is they will be somewhat stronger in the Spring. I just don't think they can compete with the truly elite teams (Top 3-4) above them. I like their attack play.
Madlax - This team may need to move to AA, but who replaces them? VLC I think looked the best of the AA teams and could compete against the lower tiered Elite Teams

Again tough to really know at this time of the year but this is what I saw over the past 4 weeks. And in case you are wondering I am a BLC parent.

1. Crabs (I am biased) - their FOGO is dominant and they have great attack play - even with the loss of their 9th grade righty.
2. Hawks - If this team gets better at X, they can win HoCo - they could also miss the playoff (again) if they don't find someone better than what they have. They have the highest end talent - best defender, best LSM, best goalie, best attackman.
3. Club Blue - I agree with the above... they have to be missing some kids
FCA/Looney's/and especially NL cannot compete consistently with the teams above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all 2023 kids who are good but not happy with your team!! Madlax has 3 tryouts a year go to the website and sign up for the Spring tryouts. There 2023 team is not good at this time but this team will be playing at all the top events and in front of all the top college coaches. During the next 5 years. No one on here can argue the fact that Madlax will be at the best tournaments. If you are smart this is the prefect grade and time to come to a Madlax team. I promise you other good players from the Cavs and other B level teams will be at these spring and summer tryouts . Get in now. I will sit back and let the Madlax hatters chyme in to this post but there hate should prove to you I am correct and you need to put your son in a better spot.

I am not a Madlax hater and do not have a 2023 age son. I do hate this post for many reasons. First, if you are a parent or part of Madlax why are you saying this team is not good? Compared to what? What message does this send? Invite kids to come because the kids we have are terrible? Why would any kid want to join that? If you are a B level player we can play in high level tournaments that you will not win, but a coach may recruit you blindly? I am not sure if you are a parent or work for the business which is Madlax, either way you are doing any parent a disservice with this advice and do not have a clue how college recruiting works. College coaches do attend top tournaments. However, if you are on a bad team that is playing poorly how will that help? Coaches do not find players, they watch players they already have on a list. If a player is interested in a school, the camp and prospect day is still the best bet. Get good grades, email the coaches. They may not respond but the will check the message and may look out for you at a tournament send them your tournament schedule. UA, Brine, Warrior also provide chances to play to an audience of college coaches. The best thing a player can do is market themselves to schools they want to attend and get good grades. My last point and the item that bothers me the most about this post is the idea that one should only play for a team to get noticed by a college coach. Kids should play for a club because it is fun. If Madlax is not competitive at a AA level maybe play in a few lower tournaments from time to time for the kids to have fun. If you think club lacrosse is some sort of future investment you are doing it wrong. Madlax will not get a player recruited the play on the field will. How about join Madlax because we have great coaches who will help develop a player to be the best he can in a competitive environment, make new friends, and prepare to make your HS team. In addition it is "their" 2023 team not "there" 2023 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fall ball is quickly coming to an end. All the kids that play football will be back. And Club blue(cheater hold backs) will be on top of Hoco again.
Elite
Club Blue king of the castle with the most hold backs
Crabs took a hit
BLC improved with new kids
Hawks solid
Next Level only team with NO HOLDBACK
FCA improved
Looney's who knows
Madlax won't win a game should drop
AA
team 89+2 lax factory API south river cannons cavaliers(best team in Virginia can't hang with any elite teams) PG this will be a fun bracket. Good luck to all

I agree; Fall Tournaments are very difficult to judge for several reasons but I do agree Club Blue will still be the team to beat once they get the entire roster on the field. I was at the tournament in Columbia a few weeks ago and I th9ought FCA and NL stood out over the rest of the field. Crabs surely did not look like the same team from last year and Looney's looked big and aggressive but was slow and I impressed with ball their ball movement. If I were to rank the Elite teams based on the some of the lacrosse I saw this Fall my ranking would be:

FCA - much improved and well coached; strong at all key positions, FOGO is scrappy and attack is very strong. I felt they were the most complete team.
Hawks - excellent team; need help at the X. Strong Middie play and tough defensively. Hawks could be easily number 1 as well
NL - great team all around but seemed to be inconsistent from tournament to tournament. Strong at the X and fast. Depending on which team shows up they could beat anyone in the elite division.
Crabs - just because they're crabs and I can not see them falling much further than this; in fact I would not be surprised if they ended up the top team at the end of the year. Strong Goalie play and the attack is still their strength. I believe I saw to FOGO's and both were decent.
Club Blue - see above comment. I have to believe they are missing players this Fall. They looked very mediocre against average competition this past weekend; very poor play at the X.
BLC - I think this team may end up surprising a few team this year. A lot of talent with very strong attack play.
Looney's - I was not impressed with this team but I know they acquired some talent from Crabs and my guess is they will be somewhat stronger in the Spring. I just don't think they can compete with the truly elite teams (Top 3-4) above them. I like their attack play.
Madlax - This team may need to move to AA, but who replaces them? VLC I think looked the best of the AA teams and could compete against the lower tiered Elite Teams

Again tough to really know at this time of the year but this is what I saw over the past 4 weeks. And in case you are wondering I am a BLC parent.

1. Crabs (I am biased) - their FOGO is dominant and they have great attack play - even with the loss of their 9th grade righty.
2. Hawks - If this team gets better at X, they can win HoCo - they could also miss the playoff (again) if they don't find someone better than what they have. They have the highest end talent - best defender, best LSM, best goalie, best attackman.
3. Club Blue - I agree with the above... they have to be missing some kids
FCA/Looney's/and especially NL cannot compete consistently with the teams above.

Obviously you did not see FCA and NL beat the CRABS Team a few weeks ago; this team is far from where they were last year. And if I am not mistaken the Kid that is not a FOGO is much better than their FOGO and I would not call him dominant. This has the making of a FLatBrim post. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all 2023 kids who are good but not happy with your team!! Madlax has 3 tryouts a year go to the website and sign up for the Spring tryouts. There 2023 team is not good at this time but this team will be playing at all the top events and in front of all the top college coaches. During the next 5 years. No one on here can argue the fact that Madlax will be at the best tournaments. If you are smart this is the prefect grade and time to come to a Madlax team. I promise you other good players from the Cavs and other B level teams will be at these spring and summer tryouts . Get in now. I will sit back and let the Madlax hatters chyme in to this post but there hate should prove to you I am correct and you need to put your son in a better spot.

I am not a Madlax hater and do not have a 2023 age son. I do hate this post for many reasons. First, if you are a parent or part of Madlax why are you saying this team is not good? Compared to what? What message does this send? Invite kids to come because the kids we have are terrible? Why would any kid want to join that? If you are a B level player we can play in high level tournaments that you will not win, but a coach may recruit you blindly? I am not sure if you are a parent or work for the business which is Madlax, either way you are doing any parent a disservice with this advice and do not have a clue how college recruiting works. College coaches do attend top tournaments. However, if you are on a bad team that is playing poorly how will that help? Coaches do not find players, they watch players they already have on a list. If a player is interested in a school, the camp and prospect day is still the best bet. Get good grades, email the coaches. They may not respond but the will check the message and may look out for you at a tournament send them your tournament schedule. UA, Brine, Warrior also provide chances to play to an audience of college coaches. The best thing a player can do is market themselves to schools they want to attend and get good grades. My last point and the item that bothers me the most about this post is the idea that one should only play for a team to get noticed by a college coach. Kids should play for a club because it is fun. If Madlax is not competitive at a AA level maybe play in a few lower tournaments from time to time for the kids to have fun. If you think club lacrosse is some sort of future investment you are doing it wrong. Madlax will not get a player recruited the play on the field will. How about join Madlax because we have great coaches who will help develop a player to be the best he can in a competitive environment, make new friends, and prepare to make your HS team. In addition it is "their" 2023 team not "there" 2023 team.

Another troll. No way a Madlax parent or staff wrote the initial post. Author just taking a cheap shot at Madlax. Unlike 2024, 2023 is not winning tournaments. They went 2-4 in HOCO Elite last year and this year will be similar. 2023 is a few players away especially on the defensive half. The original poster is likely an ex-Madlax dad trying to cause trouble and make himself feel better about the decision to move. A program like Madlax does not need to advertise in the fashion above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fall ball is quickly coming to an end. All the kids that play football will be back. And Club blue(cheater hold backs) will be on top of Hoco again.
Elite
Club Blue king of the castle with the most hold backs
Crabs took a hit
BLC improved with new kids
Hawks solid
Next Level only team with NO HOLDBACK
FCA improved
Looney's who knows
Madlax won't win a game should drop
AA
team 89+2 lax factory API south river cannons cavaliers(best team in Virginia can't hang with any elite teams) PG this will be a fun bracket. Good luck to all

I agree; Fall Tournaments are very difficult to judge for several reasons but I do agree Club Blue will still be the team to beat once they get the entire roster on the field. I was at the tournament in Columbia a few weeks ago and I th9ought FCA and NL stood out over the rest of the field. Crabs surely did not look like the same team from last year and Looney's looked big and aggressive but was slow and I impressed with ball their ball movement. If I were to rank the Elite teams based on the some of the lacrosse I saw this Fall my ranking would be:

FCA - much improved and well coached; strong at all key positions, FOGO is scrappy and attack is very strong. I felt they were the most complete team.
Hawks - excellent team; need help at the X. Strong Middie play and tough defensively. Hawks could be easily number 1 as well
NL - great team all around but seemed to be inconsistent from tournament to tournament. Strong at the X and fast. Depending on which team shows up they could beat anyone in the elite division.
Crabs - just because they're crabs and I can not see them falling much further than this; in fact I would not be surprised if they ended up the top team at the end of the year. Strong Goalie play and the attack is still their strength. I believe I saw to FOGO's and both were decent.
Club Blue - see above comment. I have to believe they are missing players this Fall. They looked very mediocre against average competition this past weekend; very poor play at the X.
BLC - I think this team may end up surprising a few team this year. A lot of talent with very strong attack play.
Looney's - I was not impressed with this team but I know they acquired some talent from Crabs and my guess is they will be somewhat stronger in the Spring. I just don't think they can compete with the truly elite teams (Top 3-4) above them. I like their attack play.
Madlax - This team may need to move to AA, but who replaces them? VLC I think looked the best of the AA teams and could compete against the lower tiered Elite Teams

Again tough to really know at this time of the year but this is what I saw over the past 4 weeks. And in case you are wondering I am a BLC parent.

1. Crabs (I am biased) - their FOGO is dominant and they have great attack play - even with the loss of their 9th grade righty.
2. Hawks - If this team gets better at X, they can win HoCo - they could also miss the playoff (again) if they don't find someone better than what they have. They have the highest end talent - best defender, best LSM, best goalie, best attackman.
3. Club Blue - I agree with the above... they have to be missing some kids
FCA/Looney's/and especially NL cannot compete consistently with the teams above.

Unless Crabs plan on bringing some HOLDBACKS in I don't see them as a threat moving forward. GO HAWKS!! #ourfogoisbetterthanyours

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all 2023 kids who are good but not happy with your team!! Madlax has 3 tryouts a year go to the website and sign up for the Spring tryouts. There 2023 team is not good at this time but this team will be playing at all the top events and in front of all the top college coaches. During the next 5 years. No one on here can argue the fact that Madlax will be at the best tournaments. If you are smart this is the prefect grade and time to come to a Madlax team. I promise you other good players from the Cavs and other B level teams will be at these spring and summer tryouts . Get in now. I will sit back and let the Madlax haters chyme in to this post but there hate should prove to you I am correct and you need to put your son in a better spot.

I am not a Madlax hater and do not have a 2023 age son. I do hate this post for many reasons. First, if you are a parent or part of Madlax why are you saying this team is not good? Compared to what? What message does this send? Invite kids to come because the kids we have are terrible? Why would any kid want to join that? If you are a B level player we can play in high level tournaments that you will not win, but a coach may recruit you blindly? I am not sure if you are a parent or work for the business which is Madlax, either way you are doing any parent a disservice with this advice and do not have a clue how college recruiting works. College coaches do attend top tournaments. However, if you are on a bad team that is playing poorly how will that help? Coaches do not find players, they watch players they already have on a list. If a player is interested in a school, the camp and prospect day is still the best bet. Get good grades, email the coaches. They may not respond but they will check the message and may look out for you at a tournament so send them your tournament schedule. UA, Brine, Warrior also provide chances to play to an audience of college coaches. The best thing a player can do is market themselves to schools they want to attend and get good grades. My last point and the item that bothers me the most about this post is the idea that one should only play for a team to get noticed by a college coach. Kids should play for a club because it is fun. If Madlax is not competitive at a AA level maybe play in a few lower tournaments from time to time for the kids to have fun. If you think club lacrosse is some sort of future investment you are doing it wrong. Madlax will not get a player recruited, the play on the field will. How about join Madlax because we have great coaches who will help develop a player to be the best he can in a competitive environment, make new friends, and prepare to make your HS team. In addition it is "their" 2023 team not "there" 2023 team.

Another troll. No way a Madlax parent or staff wrote the initial post. Author just taking a cheap shot at Madlax. Unlike 2024, 2023 is not winning tournaments. They went 2-4 in HOCO Elite last year and this year will be similar. 2023 is a few players away especially on the defensive half. The original poster is likely an ex-Madlax dad trying to cause trouble and make himself feel better about the decision to move. A program like Madlax does not need to advertise in the fashion above.

Wrong. He IS a Madlax dad. He is in love with Madlax and has been posting on this board for years. He is honest, though, and recognizes that Madlax 2023 is not very good. He loves the owner and is obsessed with defending Madlax, even as their teams are declining.

The reason why Madlax 2023 team stinks is because their best 2023's are playing on their 2024 team.

Madlax not the only game in town anymore. VLC Blackwolf Cavaliers Evergreen Club Blue Va Team6 Top Caliber. Revolving door of coaches at madlax who are average at best. Madlax is just a Dinosaur

Not true - those are very good 2023s, but their 2 best 2023's play for other clubs now (Crabs and Club Blue).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax not the only game in town anymore. VLC Blackwolf Cavaliers Evergreen Club Blue Va Team6 Top Caliber. Revolving door of coaches at madlax who are average at best. Madlax is just a Dinosaur

Please let me know in 4 years when all the talent is spread out over all these 8 teams. This many teams just makes the parents job 3 times as hard with picking a team and worrying about 4 to 6 kids jumping clubs at the last second and leaving your kid on a crappy team. Ask anyone with a AAU basketball player your team name and roster changes more then your underwear.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all 2023 kids who are good but not happy with your team!! Madlax has 3 tryouts a year go to the website and sign up for the Spring tryouts. There 2023 team is not good at this time but this team will be playing at all the top events and in front of all the top college coaches. During the next 5 years. No one on here can argue the fact that Madlax will be at the best tournaments. If you are smart this is the prefect grade and time to come to a Madlax team. I promise you other good players from the Cavs and other B level teams will be at these spring and summer tryouts . Get in now. I will sit back and let the Madlax haters chyme in to this post but there hate should prove to you I am correct and you need to put your son in a better spot.

I am not a Madlax hater and do not have a 2023 age son. I do hate this post for many reasons. First, if you are a parent or part of Madlax why are you saying this team is not good? Compared to what? What message does this send? Invite kids to come because the kids we have are terrible? Why would any kid want to join that? If you are a B level player we can play in high level tournaments that you will not win, but a coach may recruit you blindly? I am not sure if you are a parent or work for the business which is Madlax, either way you are doing any parent a disservice with this advice and do not have a clue how college recruiting works. College coaches do attend top tournaments. However, if you are on a bad team that is playing poorly how will that help? Coaches do not find players, they watch players they already have on a list. If a player is interested in a school, the camp and prospect day is still the best bet. Get good grades, email the coaches. They may not respond but the will check the message and may look out for you at a tournament so send them your tournament schedule. UA, Brine, Warrior also provide chances to play to an audience of college coaches. The best thing a player can do is market themselves to schools they want to attend and get good grades. My last point and the item that bothers me the most about this post is the idea that one should only play for a team to get noticed by a college coach. Kids should play for a club because it is fun. If Madlax is not competitive at a AA level maybe play in a few lower tournaments from time to time for the kids to have fun. If you think club lacrosse is some sort of future investment you are doing it wrong. Madlax will not get a player recruited the play on the field will. How about join Madlax because we have a great coaches who will help develop a player to be the best he can in a competitive environment, make new friends, and prepare to make your HS team. In addition it is "their" 2023 team not "there" 2023 team.

Another troll. No way a Madlax parent or staff wrote the initial post. Author just taking a cheap shot at Madlax. Unlike 2024, 2023 is not winning tournaments. They went 2-4 in HOCO Elite last year and this year will be similar. 2023 is a few players away especially on the defensive half. The original poster is likely an ex-Madlax dad trying to cause trouble and make himself feel better about the decision to move. A program like Madlax does not need to advertise in the fashion above.

Wrong. He IS a Madlax dad. He is in love with Madlax and has been posting on this board for years. He is honest, though, and recognizes that Madlax 2023 is not very good. He loves the owner and is obsessed with defending Madlax, even as their teams are declining.

The issue I have with the comment is the idea that Madlax is "not good" and new kids should go there. This is fine if a competitor or parent of another team makes a comment, that is what this board is all about. However, what are we comparing Madlax to? Are they not a top team in NOVA? How about the idea of trying to make the team better instead of recruiting new players? what does that say to the players who are there? For that matter I always hate the "we are missing players" excuse used by them and other clubs like CB. I know these are simply random internet comments and hopefully mean nothing but I do hope coaches and parents do not express this to young men. You win and loose with the players you have. Life lessons are far more important than middle schools wins and losses at random fall tournaments. However, I understand the big issue is that some of these teams are now a business and maybe they business reputation and future business at stake is more important than helping young men develop? If this message was by a supporter of MadLax that would be reason for me to stay far away from this program. Profit motive and youth sports do not mix.

Sounds more like same person having a conversation with himself. When BOTC did not allow Anonymous posts, notice how everything got quiet and you did not see these one-man threads against Madlax, Crabs, MM or whatever disfavored cause of the day. While entertaining at first, tiresome and repetitive over time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all 2023 kids who are good but not happy with your team!! Madlax has 3 tryouts a year go to the website and sign up for the Spring tryouts. There 2023 team is not good at this time but this team will be playing at all the top events and in front of all the top college coaches. During the next 5 years. No one on here can argue the fact that Madlax will be at the best tournaments. If you are smart this is the prefect grade and time to come to a Madlax team. I promise you other good players from the Cavs and other B level teams will be at these spring and summer tryouts . Get in now. I will sit back and let the Madlax hatters chyme in to this post but there hate should prove to you I am correct and you need to put your son in a better spot.

I am not a Madlax hater and do not have a 2023 age son. I do hate this post for many reasons. First, if you are a parent or part of Madlax why are you saying this team is not good? Compared to what? What message does this send? Invite kids to come because the kids we have are terrible? Why would any kid want to join that? If you are a B level player we can play in high level tournaments that you will not win, but a coach may recruit you blindly? I am not sure if you are a parent or work for the business which is Madlax, either way you are doing any parent a disservice with this advice and do not have a clue how college recruiting works. College coaches do attend top tournaments. However, if you are on a bad team that is playing poorly how will that help? Coaches do not find players, they watch players they already have on a list. If a player is interested in a school, the camp and prospect day is still the best bet. Get good grades, email the coaches. They may not respond but the will check the message and may look out for you at a tournament send them your tournament schedule. UA, Brine, Warrior also provide chances to play to an audience of college coaches. The best thing a player can do is market themselves to schools they want to attend and get good grades. My last point and the item that bothers me the most about this post is the idea that one should only play for a team to get noticed by a college coach. Kids should play for a club because it is fun. If Madlax is not competitive at a AA level maybe play in a few lower tournaments from time to time for the kids to have fun. If you think club lacrosse is some sort of future investment you are doing it wrong. Madlax will not get a player recruited the play on the field will. How about join Madlax because we have a great coaches who will help develop a player to be the best he can in a competitive environment, make new friends, and prepare to make your HS team. In addition it is "their" 2023 team not "there" 2023 team.

Another troll. No way a Madlax parent or staff wrote the initial post. Author just taking a cheap shot at Madlax. Unlike 2024, 2023 is not winning tournaments. They went 2-4 in HOCO Elite last year and this year will be similar. 2023 is a few players away especially on the defensive half. The original poster is likely an ex-Madlax dad trying to cause trouble and make himself feel better about the decision to move. A program like Madlax does not need to advertise in the fashion above.

Wrong. He IS a Madlax dad. He is in love with Madlax and has been posting on this board for years. He is honest, though, and recognizes that Madlax 2023 is not very good. He loves the owner and is obsessed with defending Madlax, even as their teams are declining.

The issue I have with the comment is the idea that Madlax is "not good" and new kids should go there. This is fine if a competitor or parent of another team makes a comment, that is what this board is all about. However, what are we comparing Madlax to? Are they not a top team in NOVA? How about the idea of trying to make the team better instead of recruiting new players? what does that say to the players who are there? For that matter I always hate the "we are missing players" excuse used by them and other clubs like CB. I know these are simply random internet comments and hopefully mean nothing but I do hope coaches and parents do not express this to young men. You win and loose with the players you have. Life lessons are far more important than middle schools wins and losses at random fall tournaments. However, I understand the big issue is that some of these teams are now a business and maybe they business reputation and future business at stake is more important than helping young men develop? If this message was by a supporter of MadLax that would be reason for me to stay far away from this program. Profit motive and youth sports do not mix.

Does anyone actually believe anyone associated with Madlax would try to recruit players with such a stupid post? Obviously, the author has an axe to grind and is intentionally trying to bring on the hate.

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

4 years ago..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Don't forget ...

... background check for BW owner, i don't like flat brim, holdbacks are unfair, crabs has lots of holdbacks, fca kids are jerks despite the acronym, MM ruins every club he goes to, looneys moms - yuk, evergreen rules, minute-by-minute developments on the hawks roster, Team 91 Md stinks, Madlax stinks, NL is on age, Dukes has half a dozen kids who look like they are in high school but Dukes parent says they only miss cutoff by a week, etc. ...

There, I saved new readers from having to read 75% of the posts on BOTC.

Find some new material please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Date from this article is 7/2013

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Date from this article is 7/2013

Which makes no difference because the owner is still the same owner and he hasn't changed. Good to know you don't care if he threatens kids and their parents.

Looks like the only Box League option this year in Baltimore is Premier Series Lacrosse box league being run out of Myers Pavilion. I think they are stil looking for a team signup and some individual sign ups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Don't forget ...

... background check for BW owner, i don't like flat brim, holdbacks are unfair, crabs has lots of holdbacks, fca kids are jerks despite the acronym, MM ruins every club he goes to, looneys moms - yuk, evergreen rules, minute-by-minute developments on the hawks roster, Team 91 Md stinks, Madlax stinks, NL is on age, Dukes has half a dozen kids who look like they are in high school but Dukes parent says they only miss cutoff by a week, etc. ...

There, I saved new readers from having to read 75% of the posts on BOTC.

Find some new material please.

As long as it's not your kid and family, eh? Pathetic just like the owner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Don't forget ...

... background check for BW owner, i don't like flat brim, holdbacks are unfair, crabs has lots of holdbacks, fca kids are not polite despite the acronym, MM ruins every club he goes to, looneys moms - yuk, evergreen rules, minute-by-minute developments on the hawks roster, Team 91 Md stinks, Madlax stinks, NL is on age, Dukes has half a dozen kids who look like they are in high school but Dukes parent says they only miss cutoff by a week, etc. ...

There, I saved new readers from having to read 75% of the posts on BOTC.

Find some new material please.

I don't mind the posts because it's really easy to skim read but your summary is well done!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Don't forget ...

... background check for BW owner, i don't like flat brim, holdbacks are unfair, crabs has lots of holdbacks, fca kids are jerks despite the acronym, MM ruins every club he goes to, looneys moms - yuk, evergreen rules, minute-by-minute developments on the hawks roster, Team 91 Md stinks, Madlax stinks, NL is on age, Dukes has half a dozen kids who look like they are in high school but Dukes parent says they only miss cutoff by a week, etc. ...

There, I saved new readers from having to read 75% of the posts on BOTC.

Find some new material please.

^^ this guy gets it. Fantastic post!

Any good match up's this weekend at 2023?

kinda takes the fun out of it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good match up's this weekend at 2023?

Club Blue vs Hawks
Hawks vs 91
91 vs Club Blue

All at Fall Brawl. South River is also playing - let's see if they should be an A or AA squad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good match up's this weekend at 2023?

Club Blue vs Hawks
Hawks vs 91
91 vs Club Blue

All at Fall Brawl. South River is also playing - let's see if they should be an A or AA squad.

Last week 91 defeated Club Blue it will be interesting to see if the "five missing players" will change the outcome. I think Hawks as step above both.

Autumn Classic - Crabs, VLC, Lax Factory

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good match up's this weekend at 2023?

Club Blue vs Hawks
Hawks vs 91
91 vs Club Blue

All at Fall Brawl. South River is also playing - let's see if they should be an A or AA squad.

Last week 91 defeated Club Blue it will be interesting to see if the "five missing players" will change the outcome. I think Hawks as step above both.

91 vs Club Blue NOVA not the HoCo champ Club Blue MD team they beat last week

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic - Crabs, VLC, Lax Factory

Autumn Classic used to be a good tournament. Guess Aloha took over and it all went down hill since then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny to see someone talk about "life lesson" and Madlax in the same sentence.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Don't forget ...

... background check for BW owner, i don't like flat brim, holdbacks are unfair, crabs has lots of holdbacks, fca kids are _ despite the acronym, MM ruins every club he goes to, looneys moms - yuk, evergreen rules, minute-by-minute developments on the hawks roster, Team 91 Md stinks, Madlax stinks, NL is on age, Dukes has half a dozen kids who look like they are in high school but Dukes parent says they only miss cutoff by a week, etc. ...

There, I saved new readers from having to read 75% of the posts on BOTC.

Find some new material please.

You forgot "daddy ball" for the "RN" Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic - Crabs, VLC, Lax Factory

Autumn Classic used to be a good tournament. Guess Aloha took over and it all went down hill since then.

When it was the NPYLL Autumn Classic, it was the best of the season. When NPYLL went away, so did the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the only Box League option this year in Baltimore is Premier Series Lacrosse box league being run out of Myers Pavilion. I think they are stil looking for a team signup and some individual sign ups.

The PSL league looks great for Box lacrosse in Baltimore for teams and individuals.

Frederick has the FILL league
Rockville has the DMV Premier league
Dulles, VA has the CBLL
All are great options for kids that want to play some real box.

They are starting soon, so kids and teams need to sign up if they want to play now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic - Crabs, VLC, Lax Factory

Autumn Classic used to be a good tournament. Guess Aloha took over and it all went down hill since then.

When it was the NPYLL Autumn Classic, it was the best of the season. When NPYLL went away, so did the tournament.

Exactly. Some great teams and games a few years ago. No more. Looks like a B and C rec tournament now with just a few good teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic - Crabs, VLC, Lax Factory

Autumn Classic used to be a good tournament. Guess Aloha took over and it all went down hill since then.

Crabs missed playoffs of this tournament......hmmmmm......they definitely don't miss those kids that left.
Just can't help thinking HoCo season will be fun to watch. Talent at this age spread around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Autumn Classic - Crabs, VLC, Lax Factory

Autumn Classic used to be a good tournament. Guess Aloha took over and it all went down hill since then.

Crabs missed playoffs of this tournament......hmmmmm......they definitely don't miss those kids that left.
Just can't help thinking HoCo season will be fun to watch. Talent at this age spread around.

Easy there girl... They didnt get in because they allowed 2 goals in two games instead of other team that allowed 1 in two games. Tiebreaker went to 1 goal team....
Hardly terrible. Look who won

Tied Philadelphia Freedom

HATERS will always HATE , genetics is a b*tch, must be something in the water , god forbid its hard work or dedication or being a student to the game , hard work beats talent EVERYDAY ALL DAY
J.d James

Hawks went 3-0 against some actual competition

Who won the Crabs semi's and finals?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the Crabs semi's and finals?

Sweetlax NY won the Autumn Classic. On Sat, at North America Lax, same Sweetlax team made the Semi's but lost to Club Blue by a couple goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the Crabs semi's and finals?

Sweetlax NY won the Autumn Classic. On Sat, at North America Lax, same Sweetlax team made the Semi's but lost to Club Blue by a couple goals.

Sweetlax lost twice on Saturday, losing to Club Blue in both opening round play and Semis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks went 3-0 against some actual competition

Other then Club Blue; who has been horrendous this Fall, who did they play? The competition at the Fall Brawl was average at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks went 3-0 against some actual competition

Hawks had one legitimate opponent. The other two were cupcakes. Nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks went 3-0 against some actual competition

I was there... they looked good - but not against real competition.

Looking at Sunday EDGE goes 3-0 beats Sweetlax Fl yet they don't make the semi's and SL Fl does?? How does that happen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at Sunday EDGE goes 3-0 beats Sweetlax Fl yet they don't make the semi's and SL Fl does?? How does that happen

They probably had to leave because of flight plans.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at Sunday EDGE goes 3-0 beats Sweetlax Fl yet they don't make the semi's and SL Fl does?? How does that happen

I'd be surprised if they actually flew given that the tournament was probably a 7-ish hour drive, but maybe. Regarding them not being in the playoffs, I heard that their teams were deemed ineligible because of grades/ages/something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks went 3-0 against some actual competition

Other then Club Blue; who has been horrendous this Fall, who did they play? The competition at the Fall Brawl was average at best.

FYI, Club Blue did make it to the finals of the N. Am. Fall Invitational this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at Sunday EDGE goes 3-0 beats Sweetlax Fl yet they don't make the semi's and SL Fl does?? How does that happen

Heard something about them being DQed, but that might have just been in the 2024 division. Rumor was they had 8th graders on a 6th grade team so take all of this with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at Sunday EDGE goes 3-0 beats Sweetlax Fl yet they don't make the semi's and SL Fl does?? How does that happen

Heard something about them being DQed, but that might have just been in the 2024 division. Rumor was they had 8th graders on a 6th grade team so take all of this with a grain of salt.

What's the problem? It happens all the time. It's called double holdback (or a pre-first + holdback). Actually saw one this weekend whine and cry after a hard, very clean, stick check from an on-age defender. Baseball might be a better fit for him.

Crabs 2023 couldn't beat the teams in their rec league tourney this weekend??? Looks like Crabs 2023 unloaded this year, not reloaded, hmmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at Sunday EDGE goes 3-0 beats Sweetlax Fl yet they don't make the semi's and SL Fl does?? How does that happen

Heard something about them being DQed, but that might have just been in the 2024 division. Rumor was they had 8th graders on a 6th grade team so take all of this with a grain of salt.

What's the problem? It happens all the time. It's called double holdback (or a pre-first + holdback). Actually saw one this weekend whine and cry after a hard, very clean, stick check from an on-age defender. Baseball might be a better fit for him.

Edge is notorious for playing down with their whole team. Total Garbage but Edge has been doing this for a while. Their justification is that the players will be doing a PG year after graduating HS, so let them play with the players they will be competing with first year in college. TOTAL BS , but Edge has been doing this for years.

Surprised this wasnt already mentioned ???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2023 couldn't beat the teams in their rec league tourney this weekend??? Looks like Crabs 2023 unloaded this year, not reloaded, hmmm

To be clear--the Crabs didn't lose a game.

The poster said crabs could not beat the teams. They did not beat philly freedom. The point is the team has degraded significantly from last year and the year before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The poster said crabs could not beat the teams. They did not beat philly freedom. The point is the team has degraded significantly from last year and the year before.

Yes and I'd take that to mean that they couldn't beat the rec league teams (HLC and Harvest) but Freedom, the one team they tied, is far from a rec league team.

Freedom is a top 10-12 AA team at this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom is a top 10-12 AA team at this age group.

Loaded with kids that play for the DUKES National Team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The poster said crabs could not beat the teams. They did not beat philly freedom. The point is the team has degraded significantly from last year and the year before.

Next year 2023 will be 8th grade. That is the year of holdbacks for 2022 that havent been held back. Or if the prefirst thing didnt work out. Go for another year back.

Crabs 2023 will be the one to beat next year,

Wow! I just spent way too much time reading this garbage and I'm embarrassed to be a part of this mess. Why so much hate? Who cares who the best team is? Is that really that important? Isn't the idea for kids this age to develop into the best players they can be and learn life skills like how to compete, sportsmanship, teamwork and learning how to win and lose with class and dignity. What kind of example are you setting for your children? Lacrosse is the ultimate team game. Does it make you feel better if your son is on a team with 3 amazing players and they win every tournament? Or if your team loses to that team with 3 studs, does it make you feel better to tear down the winning team because those 3 studs could possibly be hold backs? We are talking about 7th grade boys! My guess is that most of you have never played or know what it takes to play division 1 lacrosse or even competitive D3 lacrosse. And if your kid is any good, in 2 years he'll be in high school playing against kids that are 3-4 years older than him. What are we teaching our kids if when they lose, and all they hear about is that the other team cheated because they have hold backs. What ever happened to teaching your kid to learn from the loss and to pick themselves up and get back to work. Stop your crying and finger pointing. It's pathetic. Life isn't always fair and the sooner kids learn that the better off they will be in life, not just in sports. Stop coaching from the sidelines, stop crying to the refs, stop putting down other peoples kids and enjoy the moment. It will be over before you know it. There is no gold at the end of the rainbow. What is it that you are looking for? Is it the 1/4 scholarship offer? You already spent that savings in the club fees you've been paying and travel expenses. Does it make you feel like YOU accomplished something if your son succeeds in lacrosse? I just don't get it. I'm sure some [lacrosse] will be quick to rip me anonymously on here for this post. Have at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow! I just spent way too much time reading this garbage and I'm embarrassed to be a part of this mess. Why so much hate? Who cares who the best team is? Is that really that important? Isn't the idea for kids this age to develop into the best players they can be and learn life skills like how to compete, sportsmanship, teamwork and learning how to win and lose with class and dignity. What kind of example are you setting for your children? Lacrosse is the ultimate team game. Does it make you feel better if your son is on a team with 3 amazing players and they win every tournament? Or if your team loses to that team with 3 studs, does it make you feel better to tear down the winning team because those 3 studs could possibly be hold backs? We are talking about 7th grade boys! My guess is that most of you have never played or know what it takes to play division 1 lacrosse or even competitive D3 lacrosse. And if your kid is any good, in 2 years he'll be in high school playing against kids that are 3-4 years older than him. What are we teaching our kids if when they lose, and all they hear about is that the other team cheated because they have hold backs. What ever happened to teaching your kid to learn from the loss and to pick themselves up and get back to work. Stop your crying and finger pointing. It's pathetic. Life isn't always fair and the sooner kids learn that the better off they will be in life, not just in sports. Stop coaching from the sidelines, stop crying to the refs, stop putting down other peoples kids and enjoy the moment. It will be over before you know it. There is no gold at the end of the rainbow. What is it that you are looking for? Is it the 1/4 scholarship offer? You already spent that savings in the club fees you've been paying and travel expenses. Does it make you feel like YOU accomplished something if your son succeeds in lacrosse? I just don't get it. I'm sure some [lacrosse] will be quick to rip me anonymously on here for this post. Have at it.

Why respond to the trolls... you are making the assumption that they actually believe this stuff. Most of these posters are simply trying to get you worked up. I feel just like you... but this is my first post. I do admit to being addicted to reading the posts. Like watching terrible reality television. Go to a tournament - most parents are respectful on the sidelines although a few coach, whine, and officiate. Most understand that their kids are in it for the life lessons - although some are living vicariously through their children.
Don't waste your breath.

I couldn't agree more....ultimately they are boys (our boys) who love playing the game. We love to watch them get bigger and stronger. I'm on a team that is HATED by BOTC community and I too love to read these people complain about "holdbacks" "cheaters" . My son is a big boy. A defender but when they are lined up against the attackmen they seem to stand out like they are in high school or something. Once they get into highschool they will even out... we were in 7th grade once too

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Will Cav's play in AA or Elite? Have they ever come close to beating an Elite team? They will do will in Double AA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Will Cav's play in AA or Elite? Have they ever come close to beating an Elite team? They will do will in Double AA

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Will Cav's play in AA or Elite? Have they ever come close to beating an Elite team? They will do will in Double AA

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green

Fake news! Cav 2023 did not win the Division SR did. They are maybe the third best team in NOVA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Will Cav's play in AA or Elite? Have they ever come close to beating an Elite team? They will do will in Double AA

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green

Fake news! Cav 2023 did not win the Division SR did. They are maybe the third best team in NOVA

they won the title you didn't know about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Will Cav's play in AA or Elite? Have they ever come close to beating an Elite team? They will do will in Double AA

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green

Fake news! Cav 2023 did not win the Division SR did. They are maybe the third best team in NOVA

they won the title you didn't know about

Heard bunch of Cavs and 3d 2023 kids are leaving for Evergreen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Will Cav's play in AA or Elite? Have they ever come close to beating an Elite team? They will do will in Double AA

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green

Fake news! Cav 2023 did not win the Division SR did. They are maybe the third best team in NOVA

they won the title you didn't know about

Heard bunch of Cavs and 3d 2023 kids are leaving for Evergreen.

I heard 88+3 has a sophomore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 ready to shock the world. HOCO 'ship or bust, baby! Smoking the competition and taking names.

Will Cav's play in AA or Elite? Have they ever come close to beating an Elite team? They will do will in Double AA

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green

Fake news! Cav 2023 did not win the Division SR did. They are maybe the third best team in NOVA

they won the title you didn't know about

Heard bunch of Cavs and 3d 2023 kids are leaving for Evergreen.

That was 2022 not 2023

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green
[/quote]
Fake news! Cav 2023 did not win the Division SR did. They are maybe the third best team in NOVA[/quote]

they won the title you didn't know about
[/quote]
Heard bunch of Cavs and 3d 2023 kids are leaving for Evergreen.[/quote]
That was 2022 not 2023[/quote]
No, this is new migration in addition to 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs were convincing winners in their bracket last year, they really should step up to ELITE and challenge themselves. 91 should be AA along with FCA white and Looney's green

Fake news! Cav 2023 did not win the Division SR did. They are maybe the third best team in NOVA[/quote]

they won the title you didn't know about
[/quote]
Heard bunch of Cavs and 3d 2023 kids are leaving for Evergreen.[/quote]
That was 2022 not 2023[/quote]
No, this is new migration in addition to 2022.[/quote]
If this is the case CAV's will be better. They should move up to Elite and replace MadLax as top N.VA team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If this is the case CAV's will be better. They should move up to Elite and replace MadLax as top N.VA team

VLC's 2023 team is the best in the DMV, followed by Madlax. Cavalier is a distant 3rd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If this is the case CAV's will be better. They should move up to Elite and replace MadLax as top N.VA team

VLC's 2023 team is the best in the DMV, followed by Madlax. Cavalier is a distant 3rd.

To be the best you have to beat the best. Cav’s have won every tournament since the spring. VLC is new and would have to prove it v Cav’s

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

VLC also beat MAdlax and 91 Md who are both on this list

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

VLC also beat MAdlax and 91 Md who are both on this list

Madlax soundly beat VLC at the Maryland Invitational in October. VLC was lucky that it was only a 4 or 5 goal deficit.

Hoco last year - looneys 2-4, madlax 2-4, 91 md 0-6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

hoco predictions Elite 2023

blc 4-2
Next level 4-2
Hawks 4-2
crabs 3-3
club blue 3-3
Fca 3-3
Looneys 1-5
mad lax 0-6
NO cav"s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

It's not a national championship

kids are in summer camp who gives a RIP

It should tell you something when none of the other TEAM 91 teams from NY, TX, NC, FL etc. are in MM's tournament... specifically the Bandits or Warriors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

FCA didn't boycott last year. Where do you guys come up with this stuff. It was the same weekend as the FCA Lacrosse camp that they run every year so they were unable to attend. Not sure why Crabs doesn't go other than they don't want to put money in MM's pockets.

Where's Igloo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

Crabs and FCA boycotted it because half of their teams weren't qualified due to age restrictions!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

Crabs and FCA boycotted it because half of their teams weren't qualified due to age restrictions!

Hahaha. It's a grade based tournament you dolt. 91 MD and Hawks have a bunch of holdbacks too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

Crabs and FCA boycotted it because half of their teams weren't qualified due to age restrictions!

Hahaha. It's a grade based tournament you dolt. 91 MD and Hawks have a bunch of holdbacks too.

I see, a bunch of 14 year old 7th graders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

Crabs and FCA have avoided all interactions with MD91 for the 2024 and 2022 teams for the last 2 years because MM loses it on the sidelines. They probably want their coaches to avoid the abuse and their players to avoid the poor example being set at the opposing bench. They have even backed out of other tournaments after finding out that MD91 signed up. They are not scared of the competition, Crabs literally hates MM and FCA is probably just attempting to apply a higher standard for their players and coaches. Cant really blame either. The tournament was great last year though. the top 10 teams were all very talented teams. Tournament was organized well. Expect tons of MD91 and Hawks players on the All-Tourney Team before it starts. But worth playing in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

VLC also beat MAdlax and 91 Md who are both on this list

Madlax soundly beat VLC at the Maryland Invitational in October. VLC was lucky that it was only a 4 or 5 goal deficit.

That was VLC 2023's first game ever and it was a 1 goal game at halftime. You obviously neglected to mention VLC won the rematch. Considering it was their first season ever together, I don't think you have much to crow about. Didn't Madlax 2023 go winless in their own tournament?

LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

Crabs and FCA boycotted it because half of their teams weren't qualified due to age restrictions!

Hahaha. It's a grade based tournament you dolt. 91 MD and Hawks have a bunch of holdbacks too.

I see, a bunch of 14 year old 7th graders

Or, just another east coast tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

It's not a national championship

"Break his arms" says it is!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?
Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

Crabs and FCA boycotted it because half of their teams weren't qualified due to age restrictions!

Hahaha. It's a grade based tournament you dolt. 91 MD and Hawks have a bunch of holdbacks too.

I see, a bunch of 14 year old 7th graders

Or, just another east coast tournament

Sad but True!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 National Championship field is set. http://youthlaxchampionship.com/

The selection process for the 2023 National Championship states: "Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered." Thus, Cavs would not even be considered. Next Level will be there. During a scrimmage this fall, Next Level beat Cavs by over 10 goals. I am sure there is an Aloha tournament that Cavs can go play in that weekend. VLC lost to Lax Factory and NXT at their last tournament, hardly the best.

Where are all the Top Maryland Teams like Crabs, Hawks and FCA? And how did Team 91 and Madlax get in this?

Crabs and FCA boycotted last year's 2022 Natl. Championship. Hawks and Madlax were in it. Millon runs it, so of course 91 MD will be involved. It was supposed to be 16 teams last year and they allowed more teams in and the competition from the bottom 4 or 5 teams wasn't so great.

FCA didn't boycott last year. Where do you guys come up with this stuff. It was the same weekend as the FCA Lacrosse camp that they run every year so they were unable to attend. Not sure why Crabs doesn't go other than they don't want to put money in MM's pockets.

NLF has their own national championship the weekend after. Not to be confused with the WSYL in denver and or Hogan Naptown championship ealier in July. Top teams can;t play them all. Millon has a solid field committed. Should be a fun event. BTW FCA generally ends their summer schedules in June

It still has an age component. Look at the rules.

Hawks were beaten at battle on the bay by Texas Mustang. Might not have everyone but it still looks like a great lineup.

igloo won last year, I guess MM doesn't want them back

Just read the rules don't see anything about age. Why is TRue allowed to play aren't they a national team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just read the rules don't see anything about age. Why is TRue allowed to play aren't they a national team?

They have True Illinois, True Michigan etc that roll-up to True National. Would assume it's True Illinois since they beat Hawks, BL, BLC pretty convincingly at Summer Exposure last summer.

Any excitement at the Dukes National tryout at Loyola tonight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any excitement at the Dukes National tryout at Loyola tonight?

They didn't really play lacrosse tonight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any excitement at the Dukes National tryout at Loyola tonight?

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any excitement at the Dukes National tryout at Loyola tonight?

Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared

Why would you even consider taking your kid to a lacrosse practice, tryout , combine or whatever they call it in last nights weather? Of course they were miserable.

Did Duke’s National notify new players that tried out last night?

Check your email ...

Cavalier 2023 ranked #16 in the nation.

www.instagram.com/p/Bch2nLggxG6

And number one in your hearts!

Do any of the Cavs 2023 play for Duke’s National?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And number one in your hearts!

I don't see your club listed. Stop hating on kids. You guys are the ones ruining lacrosse. Why hate on other teams' successes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2023 ranked #16 in the nation.

www.instagram.com/p/Bch2nLggxG6

But can't stay within 10 goals of Next Level 2023 or Bethesda LC 2023 just two months ago.

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy.

Have they beaten any team that plays in the top division of HoCo? Ever?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy.

Have they beaten any team that plays in the top division of HoCo? Ever?

No, they schedule cupcakes and play weak tournaments. If they're as good as you say, the coaches would have the balls to put them into real tournaments like Young Guns or NXT instead of the Leesburg/Manassas/VA Beach rec level tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy.

Have they beaten any team that plays in the top division of HoCo? Ever?

No, they schedule cupcakes and play weak tournaments. If they're as good as you say, the coaches would have the balls to put them into real tournaments like Young Guns or NXT instead of the Leesburg/Manassas/VA Beach rec level tournaments.

I do not like how blunt this guy is saying this but he is correct. Cavs are a nice little fun club team to play for. But if your son is on this Cavs 2023 team and he is the best or one of the best players on the team please start shopping for a new club. Just interview any of the 2018 to 2020 kids on VLC,Madlax, or BW and they will tell you how many of them or there teammates played for the Cavs when they were kids. I know you like the parents and you are having fun but do not wait to long and hurt your sons future in lacrosse. The parents and kids are just as fun with the better club I promise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy.

Have they beaten any team that plays in the top division of HoCo? Ever?

No, they schedule cupcakes and play weak tournaments. If they're as good as you say, the coaches would have the balls to put them into real tournaments like Young Guns or NXT instead of the Leesburg/Manassas/VA Beach rec level tournaments.

I do not like how blunt this guy is saying this but he is correct. Cavs are a nice little fun club team to play for. But if your son is on this Cavs 2023 team and he is the best or one of the best players on the team please start shopping for a new club. Just interview any of the 2018 to 2020 kids on VLC,Madlax, or BW and they will tell you how many of them or there teammates played for the Cavs when they were kids. I know you like the parents and you are having fun but do not wait to long and hurt your sons future in lacrosse. The parents and kids are just as fun with the better club I promise.

Wow Madlax is really desperate to recruit more kids so they can have a 2023 DMV team. Do not take the bait. Very few Cav kids went to VLC almost none went to BW and Madlax. Total fake news. Cav's are still the only 2023 team with a ranking and winning tournaments. Can Madlax or VLC claim this at 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy.

Have they beaten any team that plays in the top division of HoCo? Ever?

No, they schedule cupcakes and play weak tournaments. If they're as good as you say, the coaches would have the balls to put them into real tournaments like Young Guns or NXT instead of the Leesburg/Manassas/VA Beach rec level tournaments.

I do not like how blunt this guy is saying this but he is correct. Cavs are a nice little fun club team to play for. But if your son is on this Cavs 2023 team and he is the best or one of the best players on the team please start shopping for a new club. Just interview any of the 2018 to 2020 kids on VLC,Madlax, or BW and they will tell you how many of them or there teammates played for the Cavs when they were kids. I know you like the parents and you are having fun but do not wait to long and hurt your sons future in lacrosse. The parents and kids are just as fun with the better club I promise.

Wow Madlax is really desperate to recruit more kids so they can have a 2023 DMV team. Do not take the bait. Very few Cav kids went to VLC almost none went to BW and Madlax. Total fake news. Cav's are still the only 2023 team with a ranking and winning tournaments. Can Madlax or VLC claim this at 2023?

Agree that the Madlax dad is obsessed with finding enough kids for their DMV team, which is a total disaster. But get real: both Madlax and VLC 2023 teams would easily beat Cavalier. That team sucks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy.

Have they beaten any team that plays in the top division of HoCo? Ever?

No, they schedule cupcakes and play weak tournaments. If they're as good as you say, the coaches would have the balls to put them into real tournaments like Young Guns or NXT instead of the Leesburg/Manassas/VA Beach rec level tournaments.

I do not like how blunt this guy is saying this but he is correct. Cavs are a nice little fun club team to play for. But if your son is on this Cavs 2023 team and he is the best or one of the best players on the team please start shopping for a new club. Just interview any of the 2018 to 2020 kids on VLC,Madlax, or BW and they will tell you how many of them or there teammates played for the Cavs when they were kids. I know you like the parents and you are having fun but do not wait to long and hurt your sons future in lacrosse. The parents and kids are just as fun with the better club I promise.

Wow Madlax is really desperate to recruit more kids so they can have a 2023 DMV team. Do not take the bait. Very few Cav kids went to VLC almost none went to BW and Madlax. Total fake news. Cav's are still the only 2023 team with a ranking and winning tournaments. Can Madlax or VLC claim this at 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was a scrimmage. This team has won several tournaments in a row. Don't be that guy.

Have they beaten any team that plays in the top division of HoCo? Ever?

No, they schedule cupcakes and play weak tournaments. If they're as good as you say, the coaches would have the balls to put them into real tournaments like Young Guns or NXT instead of the Leesburg/Manassas/VA Beach rec level tournaments.

I do not like how blunt this guy is saying this but he is correct. Cavs are a nice little fun club team to play for. But if your son is on this Cavs 2023 team and he is the best or one of the best players on the team please start shopping for a new club. Just interview any of the 2018 to 2020 kids on VLC,Madlax, or BW and they will tell you how many of them or there teammates played for the Cavs when they were kids. I know you like the parents and you are having fun but do not wait to long and hurt your sons future in lacrosse. The parents and kids are just as fun with the better club I promise.

Wow Madlax is really desperate to recruit more kids so they can have a 2023 DMV team. Do not take the bait. Very few Cav kids went to VLC almost none went to BW and Madlax. Total fake news. Cav's are still the only 2023 team with a ranking and winning tournaments. Can Madlax or VLC claim this at 2023?

Agree that the Madlax dad is obsessed with finding enough kids for their DMV team, which is a total disaster. But get real: both Madlax and VLC 2023 teams would easily beat Cavalier. That team sucks.

I have no care if Madlax has a DMV team I agree as a Madlax dad that they need to let the second teams just die. Teams like the Cavs and Evergreen are taking all the second team level kids away from Madlax. But I do feel the need to let the parents of younger kids know that Cavs and the lower level teams are not a good way to go if your son is a AAA level player. If they do not like Madlax or VlC go over the bridge and play for Next Level or BLC but please do not pay the same amount of money to have your 8th grade sons play in crap tournaments and waste there times playing for these B level teams if your son is a top player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no care if Madlax has a DMV team I agree as a Madlax dad that they need to let the second teams just die.

That will never happen because Madlax is all about money. And you are giving your money to a guy who threatens people over and over again. That is more amazing than Cavalier parents paying for terrible tournaments.

And just to be clear my son is out of high school in 6 months. I do not care about the future of any club one way or the other. But I do care about the overall level of play and giving back to younger parents because older parents helped me and my son get through this club team / college recurring process. Do not let friends hold you back from leaving a club play the level your son should be playing. Do your research about club teams because you will need to roll that process into researching all the college teams your son wants to or could play for. I am writing on the 7th grade forum because I feel as an old Dad that this is the prefect grade to upgrade clubs and do what you need to do to play as high as your son can play. The funny thing is I have talked to all the club owners of these B teams over the years. And guess what they know there top AAA players should be playing for the VLC, Madlax type teams not playing with them at the B level. But they like winning just like everyone does and if the parent is not smart enough to take there AAA players away to a real team they keep on riding him to B level trophy's.

Delusional people...what's wrong with winning a tournament. What ever level. Cav's are a GOOD age based team. Maybe they should get some cheating HOLDBACKS TO COMPETE AT GRADE BASE.
But keep your hopes up for that 25 percent scholarship. You'll pay more in club fees to madlax ridiculous quarterly fee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And just to be clear my son is out of high school in 6 months. I do not care about the future of any club one way or the other. But I do care about the overall level of play and giving back to younger parents because older parents helped me and my son get through this club team / college recurring process. Do not let friends hold you back from leaving a club play the level your son should be playing. Do your research about club teams because you will need to roll that process into researching all the college teams your son wants to or could play for. I am writing on the 7th grade forum because I feel as an old Dad that this is the prefect grade to upgrade clubs and do what you need to do to play as high as your son can play. The funny thing is I have talked to all the club owners of these B teams over the years. And guess what they know there top AAA players should be playing for the VLC, Madlax type teams not playing with them at the B level. But they like winning just like everyone does and if the parent is not smart enough to take there AAA players away to a real team they keep on riding him to B level trophy's.

You are assuming those kids could play for VLC or Madlax. Maybe 1-2 of them could at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Delusional people...what's wrong with winning a tournament. What ever level. Cav's are a GOOD age based team. Maybe they should get some cheating HOLDBACKS TO COMPETE AT GRADE BASE.
But keep your hopes up for that 25 percent scholarship. You'll pay more in club fees to madlax ridiculous quarterly fee

You're assuming both Madlax and VLC have holdbacks. I'd be willing to bet they don't. Hope you enjoyed that scintillating Colonial Challenge.

My son is a strong player on one of the higher level clubs. Things are fine with current club, but I've heard good reports about Top Caliber and it's located close to our house. Very much understand that TC may not be at the same level as NL, VLC, CB, MDLX, etc, but TC seems really active and from an outsider's view appears to be getting better from a competitive perspective. Anyone have first-hand experience? Good and bad? No need for bashing - just looking for information and wonder what I may be unaware of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Delusional people...what's wrong with winning a tournament. What ever level. Cav's are a GOOD age based team. Maybe they should get some cheating HOLDBACKS TO COMPETE AT GRADE BASE.
But keep your hopes up for that 25 percent scholarship. You'll pay more in club fees to madlax ridiculous quarterly fee

They should be renamed the "Cupcakes".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a strong player on one of the higher level clubs. Things are fine with current club, but I've heard good reports about Top Caliber and it's located close to our house. Very much understand that TC may not be at the same level as NL, VLC, CB, MDLX, etc, but TC seems really active and from an outsider's view appears to be getting better from a competitive perspective. Anyone have first-hand experience? Good and bad? No need for bashing - just looking for information and wonder what I may be unaware of.

Matt Curran who coaches Robinson HS has been around HS lax in N.Va as long as anyone and has a great reputation. He has coached a ton of talent of the years. If your son is going to Robinson HS TC is THE program. It is also a good program for other kids as well who want to learn and play with other players who will be top players in Fairfax teams like Woodson, LB, WS, Fairfax ect..... The rest of the coaches also challenge the kids as well. The price is more reasonable and they do not play daddy ball. Despite what MADLAX dad says, playing with your friends is important great players will get noticed for being great players not for the name on the pinnie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a strong player on one of the higher level clubs. Things are fine with current club, but I've heard good reports about Top Caliber and it's located close to our house. Very much understand that TC may not be at the same level as NL, VLC, CB, MDLX, etc, but TC seems really active and from an outsider's view appears to be getting better from a competitive perspective. Anyone have first-hand experience? Good and bad? No need for bashing - just looking for information and wonder what I may be unaware of.

TC has gotten better, but all of their teams are light years behind Madlax and VLC. They cannot enter the top tournaments let zlo me be competitive with those who play in them.

They are comparable to Cavs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a strong player on one of the higher level clubs. Things are fine with current club, but I've heard good reports about Top Caliber and it's located close to our house. Very much understand that TC may not be at the same level as NL, VLC, CB, MDLX, etc, but TC seems really active and from an outsider's view appears to be getting better from a competitive perspective. Anyone have first-hand experience? Good and bad? No need for bashing - just looking for information and wonder what I may be unaware of.

Matt Curran who coaches Robinson HS has been around HS lax in N.Va as long as anyone and has a great reputation. He has coached a ton of talent of the years. If your son is going to Robinson HS TC is THE program. It is also a good program for other kids as well who want to learn and play with other players who will be top players in Fairfax teams like Woodson, LB, WS, Fairfax ect..... The rest of the coaches also challenge the kids as well. The price is more reasonable and they do not play daddy ball. Despite what MADLAX dad says, playing with your friends is important great players will get noticed for being great players not for the name on the pinnie.

From what I have seen, they have good coaches. Kids enjoy the team. You son will learn a lot. Many of the top kids do move on to a better team. The location is appealing to a lot of people who live near the practices. It is Robinson focused but I didn't feel if affected playing time or anything else if not feeding into Robinson. Not a AA team but a good A level team. If that fits your needs I recommend it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a strong player on one of the higher level clubs. Things are fine with current club, but I've heard good reports about Top Caliber and it's located close to our house. Very much understand that TC may not be at the same level as NL, VLC, CB, MDLX, etc, but TC seems really active and from an outsider's view appears to be getting better from a competitive perspective. Anyone have first-hand experience? Good and bad? No need for bashing - just looking for information and wonder what I may be unaware of.

Matt Curran who coaches Robinson HS has been around HS lax in N.Va as long as anyone and has a great reputation. He has coached a ton of talent of the years. If your son is going to Robinson HS TC is THE program. It is also a good program for other kids as well who want to learn and play with other players who will be top players in Fairfax teams like Woodson, LB, WS, Fairfax ect..... The rest of the coaches also challenge the kids as well. The price is more reasonable and they do not play daddy ball. Despite what MADLAX dad says, playing with your friends is important great players will get noticed for being great players not for the name on the pinnie.

From what I have seen, they have good coaches. Kids enjoy the team. You son will learn a lot. Many of the top kids do move on to a better team. The location is appealing to a lot of people who live near the practices. It is Robinson focused but I didn't feel if affected playing time or anything else if not feeding into Robinson. Not a AA team but a good A level team. If that fits your needs I recommend it.

3d also has a decent team at 2023. They lost some kids this summer at other age groups but the additions to the 2023 team are an improvement over the players they lost. They won the A bracket of the Madlax tournament and have been doing well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a strong player on one of the higher level clubs. Things are fine with current club, but I've heard good reports about Top Caliber and it's located close to our house. Very much understand that TC may not be at the same level as NL, VLC, CB, MDLX, etc, but TC seems really active and from an outsider's view appears to be getting better from a competitive perspective. Anyone have first-hand experience? Good and bad? No need for bashing - just looking for information and wonder what I may be unaware of.

Matt Curran who coaches Robinson HS has been around HS lax in N.Va as long as anyone and has a great reputation. He has coached a ton of talent of the years. If your son is going to Robinson HS TC is THE program. It is also a good program for other kids as well who want to learn and play with other players who will be top players in Fairfax teams like Woodson, LB, WS, Fairfax ect..... The rest of the coaches also challenge the kids as well. The price is more reasonable and they do not play daddy ball. Despite what MADLAX dad says, playing with your friends is important great players will get noticed for being great players not for the name on the pinnie.

That is some terrible advice. Robinson has one of the few consistently strong Fairfax public school programs because of the size of the school and the talent pool. But TC is a very marginal program. They play in lesser tournaments. The few players who play for them who get recruited do so because of what they do at recruiting events. They are not "THE program" if you go to Robinson. The best Robinson players play for Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a strong player on one of the higher level clubs. Things are fine with current club, but I've heard good reports about Top Caliber and it's located close to our house. Very much understand that TC may not be at the same level as NL, VLC, CB, MDLX, etc, but TC seems really active and from an outsider's view appears to be getting better from a competitive perspective. Anyone have first-hand experience? Good and bad? No need for bashing - just looking for information and wonder what I may be unaware of.

Matt Curran who coaches Robinson HS has been around HS lax in N.Va as long as anyone and has a great reputation. He has coached a ton of talent of the years. If your son is going to Robinson HS TC is THE program. It is also a good program for other kids as well who want to learn and play with other players who will be top players in Fairfax teams like Woodson, LB, WS, Fairfax ect..... The rest of the coaches also challenge the kids as well. The price is more reasonable and they do not play daddy ball. Despite what MADLAX dad says, playing with your friends is important great players will get noticed for being great players not for the name on the pinnie.

From what I have seen, they have good coaches. Kids enjoy the team. You son will learn a lot. Many of the top kids do move on to a better team. The location is appealing to a lot of people who live near the practices. It is Robinson focused but I didn't feel if affected playing time or anything else if not feeding into Robinson. Not a AA team but a good A level team. If that fits your needs I recommend it.

3d also has a decent team at 2023. They lost some kids this summer at other age groups but the additions to the 2023 team are an improvement over the players they lost. They won the A bracket of the Madlax tournament and have been doing well.

3d can't even beat Cavs. But I guess you did say "decent" and worse than Cavs is around decent.

Are you serious? 3d 2023 is terrible. The kids they brought in are nowhere close to being as good as those they lost. That program is reduced to 1 HS team and 3 youth teams. Total dumpster fire.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious? 3d 2023 is terrible. The kids they brought in are nowhere close to being as good as those they lost. That program is reduced to 1 HS team and 3 youth teams. Total dumpster fire.

3d could barely beat BLC's B team at FallFest. They split though 3d did win the second game.

While I admit that I smiled at the "dumpster fire" reference, there are several players on the lower-level teams that are really strong. The rosters of the lower-level teams just aren't as deep as the top clubs. My kid's at the high end of this age group, but I'm always impressed with how good these so called "terrible" teams really are. We over exaggerate the differences between the DMV travel teams.

It depends on your kid! If he wants to be challenged in practice and games, and has aspirations to be D1 player you should make the sacrifice (be it distance and / or expense) to play for an elite program. Not a necessity, but I think for the public school kids that are not challenged within their local club teams and HS programs they should play elite club lacrosse if they want to play D1 lacrosse. If your son is potentially an elite AAA player (was AA a few years ago) there is significant IQ and skill development gained within the competitive practices in addition to the games and tournaments. Ultimately it should be the kid's decision if the parents are willing and able. Conversely there is nothing wrong with playing locally with friends, future HS team mates, and having fun. What is the goal? MD parent that traveled 100 miles round trip to Baltimore for four years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious? 3d 2023 is terrible. The kids they brought in are nowhere close to being as good as those they lost. That program is reduced to 1 HS team and 3 youth teams. Total dumpster fire.

Agree that 3d is terrible. Disagree that the new kids are not as good as those they lost. Scoreboard says different. HOCO spring: Cavs 7, 3d 3. Indian Summer fall tourney: Cavs 8, 3d 3. Same number of goals scored and almost identical goal differential against same opponent. Facts show the talent exchanged between spring and fall was about the same. But if your kid left 3d to join vlc or wherever, I can understand your confusion on the issue.

You are actually going to compare the score of two games to make your argument? The fact that 3d lost by 1 more goal in a rematch with an equally terrible Cavs team proves your point? Those are not facts. Even if it wasn't a small sample size, you have no idea who the kids on Cavs are then compared to now. Or maybe one team played a lot worse.

I know two of the kids who left 3d. Their replacements are light years from being comparable. I can't believe you actually cited "facts". The transition property works in algebra, not sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious? 3d 2023 is terrible. The kids they brought in are nowhere close to being as good as those they lost. That program is reduced to 1 HS team and 3 youth teams. Total dumpster fire.

Agree that 3d is terrible. Disagree that the new kids are not as good as those they lost. Scoreboard says different. HOCO spring: Cavs 7, 3d 3. Indian Summer fall tourney: Cavs 8, 3d 3. Same number of goals scored and almost identical goal differential against same opponent. Facts show the talent exchanged between spring and fall was about the same. But if your kid left 3d to join vlc or wherever, I can understand your confusion on the issue.

Thanks for adding humor to my work day. First, no one really cares about these two teams except a few parents. I did not author either of these previous posts but my son left 3d and went to VLC and I will say I do not think either team along with CAV's are "terrible." I will not also care or comment if my son is better than another kids on the team In fact, I think these players on all of these teams will be the top players at the HS level is a few seasons. Some of them may even play in college. I also coach "rec" and although I hate that word I will tell you these teams play at a much higher level than NVYLL and have good coaching. However many of the facts on this board are off. First 3d did not play Bethesda it was NL, Second, VLC did not loose to Mad Lax by 4-5 goals there is no such thing as a score of 4 or 5. It was 4 at was tied until late in the game. It was VLC's first game. Last the 3d v. Cav's HOCO game was also very close tied until late in the game. I did not see the second time they played. If you post at least get the details correct. Until then, enjoy watching the kids grow. None of these teams or kids are "terrible" and they will enjoy facing each other in HS. The players on these teams are actually close in skill including Madlax. I do not think driving hours to MD is worth it in the long run to play college lacrosse. If your son is skilled enough they can make it to the next level. CAV 2018 has a ton of kids playing in College. I hope I covered the most recent posts. Fun reading!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are actually going to compare the score of two games to make your argument? The fact that 3d lost by 1 more goal in a rematch with an equally terrible Cavs team proves your point? Those are not facts. Even if it wasn't a small sample size, you have no idea who the kids on Cavs are then compared to now. Or maybe one team played a lot worse.

I know two of the kids who left 3d. Their replacements are light years from being comparable. I can't believe you actually cited "facts". The transition property works in algebra, not sports.

Cavs would crush VLC. VLC could not even beat Lax Factory or NXT a couple weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious? 3d 2023 is terrible. The kids they brought in are nowhere close to being as good as those they lost. That program is reduced to 1 HS team and 3 youth teams. Total dumpster fire.

Agree that 3d is terrible. Disagree that the new kids are not as good as those they lost. Scoreboard says different. HOCO spring: Cavs 7, 3d 3. Indian Summer fall tourney: Cavs 8, 3d 3. Same number of goals scored and almost identical goal differential against same opponent. Facts show the talent exchanged between spring and fall was about the same. But if your kid left 3d to join vlc or wherever, I can understand your confusion on the issue.

Thanks for adding humor to my work day. First, no one really cares about these two teams except a few parents. I did not author either of these previous posts but my son left 3d and went to VLC and I will say I do not think either team along with CAV's are "terrible." I will not also care or comment if my son is better than another kids on the team In fact, I think these players on all of these teams will be the top players at the HS level is a few seasons. Some of them may even play in college. I also coach "rec" and although I hate that word I will tell you these teams play at a much higher level than NVYLL and have good coaching. However many of the facts on this board are off. First 3d did not play Bethesda it was NL, Second, VLC did not loose to Mad Lax by 4-5 goals there is no such thing as a score of 4 or 5. It was 4 at was tied until late in the game. It was VLC's first game. Last the 3d v. Cav's HOCO game was also very close tied until late in the game. I did not see the second time they played. If you post at least get the details correct. Until then, enjoy watching the kids grow. None of these teams or kids are "terrible" and they will enjoy facing each other in HS. The players on these teams are actually close in skill including Madlax. I do not think driving hours to MD is worth it in the long run to play college lacrosse. If your son is skilled enough they can make it to the next level. CAV 2018 has a ton of kids playing in College. I hope I covered the most recent posts. Fun reading!

Cavs is 95% the same. 100% the same at the starting positions. Grabbing some third line mids and 6th/7th pole did not make a difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you serious? 3d 2023 is terrible. The kids they brought in are nowhere close to being as good as those they lost. That program is reduced to 1 HS team and 3 youth teams. Total dumpster fire.

Agree that 3d is terrible. Disagree that the new kids are not as good as those they lost. Scoreboard says different. HOCO spring: Cavs 7, 3d 3. Indian Summer fall tourney: Cavs 8, 3d 3. Same number of goals scored and almost identical goal differential against same opponent. Facts show the talent exchanged between spring and fall was about the same. But if your kid left 3d to join vlc or wherever, I can understand your confusion on the issue.

Thanks for adding humor to my work day. First, no one really cares about these two teams except a few parents. I did not author either of these previous posts but my son left 3d and went to VLC and I will say I do not think either team along with CAV's are "terrible." I will not also care or comment if my son is better than another kids on the team In fact, I think these players on all of these teams will be the top players at the HS level is a few seasons. Some of them may even play in college. I also coach "rec" and although I hate that word I will tell you these teams play at a much higher level than NVYLL and have good coaching. However many of the facts on this board are off. First 3d did not play Bethesda it was NL, Second, VLC did not loose to Mad Lax by 4-5 goals there is no such thing as a score of 4 or 5. It was 4 at was tied until late in the game. It was VLC's first game. Last the 3d v. Cav's HOCO game was also very close tied until late in the game. I did not see the second time they played. If you post at least get the details correct. Until then, enjoy watching the kids grow. None of these teams or kids are "terrible" and they will enjoy facing each other in HS. The players on these teams are actually close in skill including Madlax. I do not think driving hours to MD is worth it in the long run to play college lacrosse. If your son is skilled enough they can make it to the next level. CAV 2018 has a ton of kids playing in College. I hope I covered the most recent posts. Fun reading!

Cavs is 95% the same. 100% the same at the starting positions. Grabbing some third line mids and 6th/7th pole did not make a difference.

Saw both Cavalier 2023 vs. 3d Mid Atlantic 2023 games. 3d looked the same in both games to me. Except for this guy saying some of the 3d kids changes, I would not have noticed; in fact, I did not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are actually going to compare the score of two games to make your argument? The fact that 3d lost by 1 more goal in a rematch with an equally terrible Cavs team proves your point? Those are not facts. Even if it wasn't a small sample size, you have no idea who the kids on Cavs are then compared to now. Or maybe one team played a lot worse.

I know two of the kids who left 3d. Their replacements are light years from being comparable. I can't believe you actually cited "facts". The transition property works in algebra, not sports.

Cavs would crush VLC. VLC could not even beat Lax Factory or NXT a couple weeks ago.

LOL. VLC just got formed and they beat Madlax and lost to Bethesda by 2. Could Cavs stay within 2 of Bethesda? No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are actually going to compare the score of two games to make your argument? The fact that 3d lost by 1 more goal in a rematch with an equally terrible Cavs team proves your point? Those are not facts. Even if it wasn't a small sample size, you have no idea who the kids on Cavs are then compared to now. Or maybe one team played a lot worse.

I know two of the kids who left 3d. Their replacements are light years from being comparable. I can't believe you actually cited "facts". The transition property works in algebra, not sports.

Cavs would crush VLC. VLC could not even beat Lax Factory or NXT a couple weeks ago.

LOL. VLC just got formed and they beat Madlax and lost to Bethesda by 2. Could Cavs stay within 2 of Bethesda? No.

Please stop leaving Evergreen 2023 out of the NOVA conversation. Evergreen is only a couple players away from toppling the guys currently at the top.

I wouldn't sleep on Lax Factory. They look to be improved from last year.

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are actually going to compare the score of two games to make your argument? The fact that 3d lost by 1 more goal in a rematch with an equally terrible Cavs team proves your point? Those are not facts. Even if it wasn't a small sample size, you have no idea who the kids on Cavs are then compared to now. Or maybe one team played a lot worse.

I know two of the kids who left 3d. Their replacements are light years from being comparable. I can't believe you actually cited "facts". The transition property works in algebra, not sports.

Cavs would crush VLC. VLC could not even beat Lax Factory or NXT a couple weeks ago.

LOL. VLC just got formed and they beat Madlax and lost to Bethesda by 2. Could Cavs stay within 2 of Bethesda? No.

Please stop leaving Evergreen 2023 out of the NOVA conversation. Evergreen is only a couple players away from toppling the guys currently at the top.

Yea, I was a couple of drinks away from bringing home two girls on time in collage but it never happen!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are actually going to compare the score of two games to make your argument? The fact that 3d lost by 1 more goal in a rematch with an equally terrible Cavs team proves your point? Those are not facts. Even if it wasn't a small sample size, you have no idea who the kids on Cavs are then compared to now. Or maybe one team played a lot worse.

I know two of the kids who left 3d. Their replacements are light years from being comparable. I can't believe you actually cited "facts". The transition property works in algebra, not sports.

Cavs would crush VLC. VLC could not even beat Lax Factory or NXT a couple weeks ago.

LOL. VLC just got formed and they beat Madlax and lost to Bethesda by 2. Could Cavs stay within 2 of Bethesda? No.

Please stop leaving Evergreen 2023 out of the NOVA conversation. Evergreen is only a couple players away from toppling the guys currently at the top.

Yea, I was a couple of drinks away from bringing home two girls on time in collage but it never happen!

Evergreen is only about 10 new starters away from being competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are actually going to compare the score of two games to make your argument? The fact that 3d lost by 1 more goal in a rematch with an equally terrible Cavs team proves your point? Those are not facts. Even if it wasn't a small sample size, you have no idea who the kids on Cavs are then compared to now. Or maybe one team played a lot worse.

I know two of the kids who left 3d. Their replacements are light years from being comparable. I can't believe you actually cited "facts". The transition property works in algebra, not sports
Cavs would crush VLC. VLC could not even beat Lax Factory or NXT a couple weeks ago.

LOL. VLC just got formed and they beat Madlax and lost to Bethesda by 2. Could Cavs stay within 2 of Bethesda? No.

Please stop leaving Evergreen 2023 out of the NOVA conversation. Evergreen is only a couple players away from toppling the guys currently at the top.

Yea, I was a couple of drinks away from bringing home two girls on time in collage but it never happen!

Evergreen is only about 10 new starters away from being competitive.

10 new starters and 1 coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

Lord knows you NOVA morons drive us to drink. Buzzkill threads about crummy programs. I'm asking your wife to pass the schnapps!

Is flat brim taking a team to Tampa?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is flat brim taking a team to Tampa?

Hopefully...Nothing like having a club within the club....Seriously that all-star team made up of kids from other clubs must really cause some bad feelings in Crabs... They have a knack for pissing great parents and kids off....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

A NOVA page could be named "B" team all stars

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

A NOVA page could be named "B" team all stars

That is being generous..More like C + . combine them all into one all star team and you might have a B + team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

A NOVA page could be named "B" team all stars

That is being generous..More like C + . combine them all into one all star team and you might have a B + team.

If you combine all the Maryland 2023 All Star's you would have a 2022 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

A NOVA page could be named "B" team all stars

That is being generous..More like C + . combine them all into one all star team and you might have a B + team.

If you combine all the Maryland 2023 All Star's you would have a 2022 team

and they would mop the floor with all the NOVA 2021 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

A NOVA page could be named "B" team all stars

That is being generous..More like C + . combine them all into one all star team and you might have a B + team.

If you combine all the Maryland 2023 All Star's you would have a 2022 team

If you are referring to the "Flat Brim 2023 Team" then Sorry - the Tampa tournament is age based and all kids are on age. I actually like Flat Brim and the kids who can play love him. Stop hating!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

A NOVA page could be named "B" team all stars

That is being generous..More like C + . combine them all into one all star team and you might have a B + team.

If you combine all the Maryland 2023 All Star's you would have a 2022 team

If you are referring to the "Flat Brim 2023 Team" then Sorry - the Tampa tournament is age based and all kids are on age. I actually like Flat Brim and the kids who can play love him. Stop hating!

So they found a tournament that allows older kids to play. Good for them.
Tampa:
Age Eligibility

For youth divisions (2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026-2027) the age cutoffs are as follows:

2026-2027 (10U-9U) - Born on or after 1/1/2007
2025 (11U) - Born between 1/1/2006 and 12/31/2006
2024 (12U) - Born between 1/1/2005 and 12/31/2005
2023 (13U) - Born between 1/1/2004 and 12/31/2004
2022 (14U) - Born between 1/1/2003 and 12/31/2003
2021 (15U) - Born between 1/1/2002 and 12/31/2002

This tournament may be age based but it does not line up to schools calenders. Every other age based tournament would not allow a January 2004 to be a 2023 player.

Here are the US Lacrosse Guidelines:

Born 9/1/2007 through 8/31/2008 10U 4th N/A
Born 9/1/2006 through 8/31/2007 11U 5th N/A
Born 9/1/2005 through 8/31/2006 12U 6th N/A
Born 9/1/2004 through 8/31/2005 13U 7th N/A
Born 9/1/2003 through 8/31/2004 14U 8th N/A

The rest is the wild west with no grade rules. I actually do not have an issue with players playing others a few months even a year or two older. I just have an issue with teams having different sets of rules or cutoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can we get a NOVA page all its own!

Shut up, drunk Baltimore dad.

A NOVA page could be named "B" team all stars

That is being generous..More like C + . combine them all into one all star team and you might have a B + team.

If you combine all the Maryland 2023 All Star's you would have a 2022 team

If you are referring to the "Flat Brim 2023 Team" then Sorry - the Tampa tournament is age based and all kids are on age. I actually like Flat Brim and the kids who can play love him. Stop hating!

Age based yes, but that cutoff is 1/1. There are very few kids born prior to 1/1. Only know of one kid and he does happen to be on Crabs 2023

Why do you care where this team plays and how old the kids are? Your kid isn’t playing for or against them! You seem like you’ve done a lot of research about a tournament that you won’t be attending.

This is why everyone hates Baltimore dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why everyone hates Baltimore dads.

If you read these posts, then everyone hates all dads and moms of all lacrosse kids. Trolls everywhere. On another note - I saw the Tampa Tourney up on Tourneymachine. Where are the 2023 teams? Only Duke's wanted to go down there? They will walk away with the championship. Easy work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why everyone hates Baltimore dads.

If you read these posts, then everyone hates all dads and moms of all lacrosse kids. Trolls everywhere. On another note - I saw the Tampa Tourney up on Tourneymachine. Where are the 2023 teams? Only Duke's wanted to go down there? They will walk away with the championship. Easy work.

The Atlantic Coast Stars is Flat Brim's Team and is loaded with Kids from around the areas; Crabs, Hawks, Next Level etc. I think that will be the team to beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why everyone hates Baltimore dads.

If you read these posts, then everyone hates all dads and moms of all lacrosse kids. Trolls everywhere. On another note - I saw the Tampa Tourney up on Tourneymachine. Where are the 2023 teams? Only Duke's wanted to go down there? They will walk away with the championship. Easy work.

The Atlantic Coast Stars is Flat Brim's Team and is loaded with Kids from around the areas; Crabs, Hawks, Next Level etc. I think that will be the team to beat.

So Flat Brim coached the 2023 Mid Atlantic team for warrior all-american games. I assume most of the same kids now on his new all star team. My kid keeps asking about trying out for the warrior games team. But I'm guessing if FB is coaching the warrior team then any tryout is pointless. Anyone know if he is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why everyone hates Baltimore dads.

If you read these posts, then everyone hates all dads and moms of all lacrosse kids. Trolls everywhere. On another note - I saw the Tampa Tourney up on Tourneymachine. Where are the 2023 teams? Only Duke's wanted to go down there? They will walk away with the championship. Easy work.

The Atlantic Coast Stars is Flat Brim's Team and is loaded with Kids from around the areas; Crabs, Hawks, Next Level etc. I think that will be the team to beat.

Bunch of solid players... no studs like Duke's... plus Flat Brim will get out coached.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why everyone hates Baltimore dads.

If you read these posts, then everyone hates all dads and moms of all lacrosse kids. Trolls everywhere. On another note - I saw the Tampa Tourney up on Tourneymachine. Where are the 2023 teams? Only Duke's wanted to go down there? They will walk away with the championship. Easy work.

The Atlantic Coast Stars is Flat Brim's Team and is loaded with Kids from around the areas; Crabs, Hawks, Next Level etc. I think that will be the team to beat.

Bunch of solid players... no studs like Duke's... plus Flat Brim will get out coached.

Team will be made up of Friends of FB, not necessarily best players at that position.
Many good players know enough to stay away from that situation.

The Warrior tryouts was a Crabs recruiting event were they took kids who weren't even at tryouts. Unless you get invited by FB or the King Crab save your money.

You dads are so brave on the Internet. If you had any balls, you would talk to the guy who call flat brim, and say the things you say here to his face. Much tougher to hide behind a keyboard.

Flat Brim is very popular. I bet he sits at the cool kids table with King Crab while the rest just look on with envy!

Does Flat Brim coach for the Crabs? I’m a poster from the Northeast.

If Flat Brim is who I think he is, he was at Bel Air Lacrosse for a long time. Really nice guy. His kid was younger than mine but helped our travel team before we went to club. Flat brims to look very inner city and gangster but if it this guy, Sean I think his name was, He was very nice and really good with the kids. In addition, knows Lax.

Flat brim.
[Linked Image]

You should really learn photoshop so you could use this picture without the faces of the kids you just posted on this POS site.

You really should just stop talking about this coach! Start talking about lacrosse. No one cares that your feelings are hurt. You just posted a picture of people’s kids on an anonymous forum. Whatever your problem is, you need to move on!

Flat brim is a clown. That said, there are many clubs in the area. For 3 years now, he has tried to get my son to play for Crabs, and tryout for his various all star teams. A simple "No" from us seems to work. Others should try this approach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Flat brim is a clown. That said, there are many clubs in the area. For 3 years now, he has tried to get my son to play for Crabs, and tryout for his various all star teams. A simple "No" from us seems to work. Others should try this approach

Why is he called flat brim?

That is the guy I was talking about. He was pretty cool when my kids were younger. His son was most likely too young to play Lacrosse. Things may have changed but he was a good guy back then. He is called Flat Brim because of his hat he always wears. Seems like a Punk Rocker type of thing. I am too old to care about things like this. HS Lax will be starting soon. Woo Hoo.

Little disappointed in this whole conversation of Flat Brim. I was expecting a menacing tough muscular MMA type looking guy . Instead the only two I can see from the picture being the famous Flat Brim, is the Asian guy or some old grey haired guy. What a let down!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Little disappointed in this whole conversation of Flat Brim. I was expecting a menacing tough muscular MMA type looking guy . Instead the only two I can see from the picture being the famous Flat Brim, is the Asian guy or some old grey haired guy. What a let down!

Or maybe the guy wearing the flat brimmed ball cap.

Posting and commenting on a photo of boys is sad.

Dukes lost by a lot

Evergreen is holding supplemental tryouts for 3rd through 11th.

Hilarious! Dukes has Duds not Studs! Keep talking. Now you see what true talent and good coaching looks like. If you stopped playing in weak tournaments you would know the difference.

Dukes Nationals will win the whole thing in Florida. We have the best Attack Unit in the country. They are bigger stronger and faster than you guys. See you in the Championship.

Dukes used to be one of the best clubs. Now they have to rely on getting kids from across the country to field a team at certain one off tournaments.

It’s a shame these parents are so ungrateful and selfish. All this talk about how great DN is. How they are the best team in the country. They lose one game and now it’s all Daddy ball this and we are missing our best players! More than half of the parents don’t even know how to play the game. Weak!

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

can not even beat the teams in Florida . Not worth the time, money and travel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: To the jerks that think that middle school lacrosse TEAMS and their CLUBS are responsible for shaping your young student-athlete, STOP! Focus on yourselves, your family, and raising your own child to be the young person and young athlete they can be and STOP comparing them to others. YOU are responsible for them. NOT their clubs, club coaches, teams, and others. Look in the mirror. If you are unhappy with your child's performance and position on a team, its NOT the team's fault or the clubs. Its plain and simple- lacrosse clubs are suited to support a few great young talents and the rest of us are along for the ride. We pay for the few young talents and for our own children to play with them- thats the system we CHOOSE to support. If you don't like it, move on and play rec. in middle school. In the end, THE BEST PLAYERS PLAY and will play most of the game in order to win. Not to get better, but to win. That is how the club system is set up. To win. Period. In middle school, it can be different if you choose to support other systems where everyone can play for the sake of playing and not to play to make a name for the club or themselves. For today, you choose to pay Dukes, to play with Dukes, so you can be a part of a winning team (most of the time). Happy new year.

If your son doesn't play for FB's team, you should shut your both. The only ones who should criticize him are his players' parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

Unless you are good enough to be a guest player that doesn't have to pay anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: To the jerks that think that middle school lacrosse TEAMS and their CLUBS are responsible for shaping your young student-athlete, STOP! Focus on yourselves, your family, and raising your own child to be the young person and young athlete they can be and STOP comparing them to others. YOU are responsible for them. NOT their clubs, club coaches, teams, and others. Look in the mirror. If you are unhappy with your child's performance and position on a team, its NOT the team's fault or the clubs. Its plain and simple- lacrosse clubs are suited to support a few great young talents and the rest of us are along for the ride. We pay for the few young talents and for our own children to play with them- thats the system we CHOOSE to support. If you don't like it, move on and play rec. in middle school. In the end, THE BEST PLAYERS PLAY and will play most of the game in order to win. Not to get better, but to win. That is how the club system is set up. To win. Period. In middle school, it can be different if you choose to support other systems where everyone can play for the sake of playing and not to play to make a name for the club or themselves. For today, you choose to pay Dukes, to play with Dukes, so you can be a part of a winning team (most of the time). Happy new year.

This is someone who clearly has no idea what it means to be a COACH!! Sir with all do respect there is much more to coaching then "WINNING" and if you don't understand that than I feel sorry for your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals is a PONZI Scheme. G is a crook, and the players are ball hogs. Won't be getting anymore of my money.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: To the jerks that think that middle school lacrosse TEAMS and their CLUBS are responsible for shaping your young student-athlete, STOP! Focus on yourselves, your family, and raising your own child to be the young person and young athlete they can be and STOP comparing them to others. YOU are responsible for them. NOT their clubs, club coaches, teams, and others. Look in the mirror. If you are unhappy with your child's performance and position on a team, its NOT the team's fault or the clubs. Its plain and simple- lacrosse clubs are suited to support a few great young talents and the rest of us are along for the ride. We pay for the few young talents and for our own children to play with them- thats the system we CHOOSE to support. If you don't like it, move on and play rec. in middle school. In the end, THE BEST PLAYERS PLAY and will play most of the game in order to win. Not to get better, but to win. That is how the club system is set up. To win. Period. In middle school, it can be different if you choose to support other systems where everyone can play for the sake of playing and not to play to make a name for the club or themselves. For today, you choose to pay Dukes, to play with Dukes, so you can be a part of a winning team (most of the time). Happy new year.

This is someone who clearly has no idea what it means to be a COACH!! Sir with all do respect there is much more to coaching then "WINNING" and if you don't understand that than I feel sorry for your team.

He does. Its just his philosophy of coaching is much different than yours. Luckily most coaches dont coach like he does or many late blooming players or new to the game players would get discouraged and quit playing after a while..

New year as teams get ready for Spring what will HOCO Elite look like? will they take 7 or 8 teams? Who is added or drops from last year's AAA Div.

In:
CB
Crabs
Looneys
NL
Bethesda
Hawks
FCA
On the bubble:
91
MadLax
Best of the rest?:
Cavalier
SR
VLC
Lax Factory

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New year as teams get ready for Spring what will HOCO Elite look like? will they take 7 or 8 teams? Who is added or drops from last year's AAA Div.

In:
CB
Crabs
Looneys
NL
Bethesda
Hawks
FCA
On the bubble:
91
MadLax
Best of the rest?:
Cavalier
SR
VLC
Lax Factory

You left out Evergreen...the only team anyone needs to know!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New year as teams get ready for Spring what will HOCO Elite look like? will they take 7 or 8 teams? Who is added or drops from last year's AAA Div.

In:
CB
Crabs
Looneys
NL
Bethesda
Hawks
FCA
On the bubble:
91
MadLax
Best of the rest?:
Cavalier
SR
VLC
Lax Factory

I would agree with the Teams listed in the Elite Division to make 7 teams; in order to add an 8th the bubble teams should be VLC and South River. 91 and Madlax are A teams at best trying to play AA. For 91 to be listed as a team playing for the 2023 National Title run by Millon is absurd to say the least. I think VLC handled 91 pretty easily 9-1 at the Polo Grounds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New year as teams get ready for Spring what will HOCO Elite look like? will they take 7 or 8 teams? Who is added or drops from last year's AAA Div.

In:
CB
Crabs
Looneys
NL
Bethesda
Hawks
FCA
On the bubble:
91
MadLax
Best of the rest?:
Cavalier
SR
VLC
Lax Factory

91.MD aren't on the bubble, their bubble burst! They will be on par with teams similar to FCA white, Looney's green and Laxworld.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New year as teams get ready for Spring what will HOCO Elite look like? will they take 7 or 8 teams? Who is added or drops from last year's AAA Div.

In:
CB
Crabs
Looneys
NL
Bethesda
Hawks
FCA
On the bubble:
91
MadLax
Best of the rest?:
Cavalier
SR
VLC
Lax Factory

91.MD aren't on the bubble, their bubble burst! They will be on par with teams similar to FCA white, Looney's green and Laxworld.

That a Low blow!!

VLC belongs in A, as does 91 and MadLax. VLC lost to Lax Factory in the fall. CM will never let MadLax be a part of the A division though. South River should step up since they've won the A division the last 2 years. They have the size to compete, just not sure they have the skill.

VLC destroyed Team 91 and lost to both NL and Bethesda by a couple goals. God you keep repeating the same thing over and over.

VLC definitely an Elite team, beat 91 who beat Club Blue and South River in the fall HoCo AA & A champs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Just to be clear:
You were asked to coach at Bel Air, then asked to coach at Carroll Manor, then asked to coach at Koopers, then asked to coach at Looneys, then asked to coach at Crabs, then asked to coach the Warrior team, then asked to coach the Atlantic Stars team? Did I miss anything? That's quite a nomadic existence in just a few years of youth lacrosse.

I just want to take the time to Congratulate the Atlantic Coast Stars! They are a very talented group of young men and coaches!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Just to be clear:
You were asked to coach at Bel Air, then asked to coach at Carroll Manor, then asked to coach at Koopers, then asked to coach at Looneys, then asked to coach at Crabs, then asked to coach the Warrior team, then asked to coach the Atlantic Stars team? Did I miss anything? That's quite a nomadic existence in just a few years of youth lacrosse.

Ouch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Just to be clear:
You were asked to coach at Bel Air, then asked to coach at Carroll Manor, then asked to coach at Koopers, then asked to coach at Looneys, then asked to coach at Crabs, then asked to coach the Warrior team, then asked to coach the Atlantic Stars team? Did I miss anything? That's quite a nomadic existence in just a few years of youth lacrosse.

Or was it... asked to leave Bel Air, then asked to leave Carroll Manor, then asked to leave Koopers, then asked to leave Looney's, then asked to leave the Crabs, then not invited back to the Warrior team....

The great thing about this sport is all of these coaches have a great relationship with each other. I know parents think they can play coaches against each other somehow thinking this will better their child. The fact is coaches no matter what team have a mutual respect for one another. The coaches know the time and effort they put in on and off the field. I can only imagine what they think of the parents who perpetuate drama. It is great when High School comes around and your kid barely makes Fresh-Soph! That’s when you fade into the background and no one even remembers your name.

Or is it mad that your kid isn’t on the team?! You seem kind of mad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Just to be clear:
You were asked to coach at Bel Air, then asked to coach at Carroll Manor, then asked to coach at Koopers, then asked to coach at Looneys, then asked to coach at Crabs, then asked to coach the Warrior team, then asked to coach the Atlantic Stars team? Did I miss anything? That's quite a nomadic existence in just a few years of youth lacrosse.

Or was it... asked to leave Bel Air, then asked to leave Carroll Manor, then asked to leave Koopers, then asked to leave Looney's, then asked to leave the Crabs, then not invited back to the Warrior team....

To be fair, he was only asked to leave Bel Air and Looneys. Total buffoon. My son played for him in the past and no he wasn't cut from one of his teams. He wears out his welcome wherever he goes with his antics. Even his co-coach at Looneys had enough after a few years together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Just to be clear:
You were asked to coach at Bel Air, then asked to coach at Carroll Manor, then asked to coach at Koopers, then asked to coach at Looneys, then asked to coach at Crabs, then asked to coach the Warrior team, then asked to coach the Atlantic Stars team? Did I miss anything? That's quite a nomadic existence in just a few years of youth lacrosse.

Or was it... asked to leave Bel Air, then asked to leave Carroll Manor, then asked to leave Koopers, then asked to leave Looney's, then asked to leave the Crabs, then not invited back to the Warrior team....

Unless Flat Brim moves to Leesburg and coaches Evergreen I think we need to create a new N.VA and seperate MD thread as this is getting old. Why are a few dads obsessed with one youth coach? Kinda creepy if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The great thing about this sport is all of these coaches have a great relationship with each other. I know parents think they can play coaches against each other somehow thinking this will better their child. The fact is coaches no matter what team have a mutual respect for one another. The coaches know the time and effort they put in on and off the field. I can only imagine what they think of the parents who perpetuate drama. It is great when High School comes around and your kid barely makes Fresh-Soph! That’s when you fade into the background and no one even remembers your name.

Funniest thing I ever heard and I've been both a coach and parent. I've heard many coaches criticize their colleagues, sometimes with cause.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Just to be clear:
You were asked to coach at Bel Air, then asked to coach at Carroll Manor, then asked to coach at Koopers, then asked to coach at Looneys, then asked to coach at Crabs, then asked to coach the Warrior team, then asked to coach the Atlantic Stars team? Did I miss anything? That's quite a nomadic existence in just a few years of youth lacrosse.

Or was it... asked to leave Bel Air, then asked to leave Carroll Manor, then asked to leave Koopers, then asked to leave Looney's, then asked to leave the Crabs, then not invited back to the Warrior team....

To be fair, he was only asked to leave Bel Air and Looneys. Total buffoon. My son played for him in the past and no he wasn't cut from one of his teams. He wears out his welcome wherever he goes with his antics. Even his co-coach at Looneys had enough after a few years together.

It's hard for a head coach to justify keeping him on the sidelines given the bench penalties he garners.

You are only mad because his teams are successful! Your timing proves it. Every time he wins you get angry. My kid plays for him and has for many years. My son has learned a lot from him. His coaching style is not for everyone.
I’m the person who told him about this forum. Whether you like him or not, your comments are disturbing. You follow his every move. I wanted him to be aware. When I don’t like someone I disassociate myself from them. That is what adults do. It’s not just your comments but you watch his every move it is disconcerting.

Yes, all coaches criticize each other! Some even get in fights with other coaches on their own team. When it comes down to it they respect one another a lot more than self centered parents. Every time you complain to ANY coach about another coach it is an instant red flag! By now in this small group of club teams, parents and kids everyone knows where the drama comes from.

You we’re probably looking at The Tourney App the whole time ACS was playing in Florida! You know you were you creepy stalker! Make sure to check out how there were hardly any goals scored against! You probably have it plugged into your spreadsheet you creepy stalker!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, all coaches criticize each other! Some even get in fights with other coaches on their own team. When it comes down to it they respect one another a lot more than self centered parents. Every time you complain to ANY coach about another coach it is an instant red flag! By now in this small group of club teams, parents and kids everyone knows where the drama comes from.

Its amazing how the Dukes and now ACS has bastardized that tournament. 4 teams in a bracket? There's just not a market for holdback national teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New year as teams get ready for Spring what will HOCO Elite look like? will they take 7 or 8 teams? Who is added or drops from last year's AAA Div.

In:
CB
Crabs
Looneys
NL
Bethesda
Hawks
FCA
On the bubble:
91
MadLax
Best of the rest?:
Cavalier
SR
VLC
Lax Factory

Wait a second....Why isn't the Flat-Brimmed coached Atlantic Coast Stars listed?

Stalker

To be clear...This is the funniest and most accurate post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You we’re probably looking at The Tourney App the whole time ACS was playing in Florida! You know you were you creepy stalker! Make sure to check out how there were hardly any goals scored against! You probably have it plugged into your spreadsheet you creepy stalker!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, all coaches criticize each other! Some even get in fights with other coaches on their own team. When it comes down to it they respect one another a lot more than self centered parents. Every time you complain to ANY coach about another coach it is an instant red flag! By now in this small group of club teams, parents and kids everyone knows where the drama comes from.

Its amazing how the Dukes and now ACS has bastardized that tournament. 4 teams in a bracket? There's just not a market for holdback national teams.

No holdbacks on ACS... I know it is hard to believe. Just appreciate how good those boys are!

Just to be clear:
You are a stalker
Or is it...you’re a s&$t talker
To be fair...you are both
Just so we are clear...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, all coaches criticize each other! Some even get in fights with other coaches on their own team. When it comes down to it they respect one another a lot more than self centered parents. Every time you complain to ANY coach about another coach it is an instant red flag! By now in this small group of club teams, parents and kids everyone knows where the drama comes from.

Its amazing how the Dukes and now ACS has bastardized that tournament. 4 teams in a bracket? There's just not a market for holdback national teams.

No holdbacks on ACS... I know it is hard to believe. Just appreciate how good those boys are!

I can appreciate the age cutoff for this tournament is 1/1/04 vs USL 11/1/04 and that suits your narrative perfectly. That being said, how many teams did you need to draw from to beat some local Florida and Georgia team?? Your all STARS!!

ACS goalies were on point!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be clear...This is the funniest and most accurate post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You we’re probably looking at The Tourney App the whole time ACS was playing in Florida! You know you were you creepy stalker! Make sure to check out how there were hardly any goals scored against! You probably have it plugged into your spreadsheet you creepy stalker!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone told me about the Lax forum talking so much about Flat Brim. This is Flat Brim- FB. Anyone whose boys have played on the teams I have been so fortunate to coach or be apart of Lacrosse clinics/camps that I was asked to be on their staff know that I give my all for the boys and keep a fun learning environment for them. Pretty disturbing to read such disappointing comments. As I say to all the boys I coach...be a gentleman outside the lines and a beast inside the lines. Be kind and considerate to people and treat people with respect. I will practice what I preach and only respond to these posts by saying: I was asked to coach the mid Atlantic warrior team; I was asked to coach some of the Baltimore/Md “all star” type teams; and now asked to keep it going with the Atlantic Coast Stars team. The warrior team played a very talented LI team and we were fortunate to win the tourney. The ACS team played a solid dukes team to win the tourney. Very difficult to beat a solid team two times in the same tourney. Sorry that parents feel the way they do abouit me but please know that I give my all to the boys....it’s all about their continued growth and development. I have learned a lot from some of my past actions for defending the boys on the field and I am not perfect nor is anyone else. It all about being accountable for my actions to become a better coach. It is a privilege to coach this stellar ACS team along with having such wonderful parents. I am not coaching the Crabs 2023 because I committed to coaching this team for two years. I am not coaching the mid atlantic warrior team. All the best to everyone this upcoming lacrosse season. Anyone who knows me knows that I care and the boys come first and foremost.

Just to be clear:
You were asked to coach at Bel Air, then asked to coach at Carroll Manor, then asked to coach at Koopers, then asked to coach at Looneys, then asked to coach at Crabs, then asked to coach the Warrior team, then asked to coach the Atlantic Stars team? Did I miss anything? That's quite a nomadic existence in just a few years of youth lacrosse.

Or was it... asked to leave Bel Air, then asked to leave Carroll Manor, then asked to leave Koopers, then asked to leave Looney's, then asked to leave the Crabs, then not invited back to the Warrior team....

To be fair, he was only asked to leave Bel Air and Looneys. Total buffoon. My son played for him in the past and no he wasn't cut from one of his teams. He wears out his welcome wherever he goes with his antics. Even his co-coach at Looneys had enough after a few years together.

also asked to leave Fallston, didn't even last a season.

I heard the ACS goalie mad the All Star Team! Must be a great goalie!

ACS goalies were on point!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To be clear...This is the funniest and most accurate post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You we’re probably looking at The Tourney App the whole time ACS was playing in Florida! You know you were you creepy stalker! Make sure to check out how there were hardly any goals scored against! You probably have it plugged into your spreadsheet you creepy stalker!

[/quote]

He is such a bad coach that he was asked to coach a National
Team! He must be a good coach. I doubt this guy cares what someone says behind his back but has no guts to say to his face. You are irrelevant...bye!

I heard he was starting his own club team in Florida! I know they were talking about it at the tournament this weekend!

I think he formed the team wasn’t asked to coach it.
He had a really good team at 23 with Crabs but heard there was a mass desertion...

I heard he has done well with his National team and they want him to start a club in Florida. Maybe he is just helping them get it together. Someone was also talking about him coaching a team in Georgia?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is such a bad coach that he was asked to coach a National
Team! He must be a good coach. I doubt this guy cares what someone says behind his back but has no guts to say to his face. You are irrelevant...bye!

There is a twisting of the facts with the Warrior National team. Most of that Maryland team was from the Crabs 2023 team that he already coached. If anyone went to those tryouts then they know that turnout was terrible.

The ACS team is run by Crabs. His son and a lot of other Crabs 2023 team players are on that team as well.

He pushed to be apart of those teams as he has coached his son at all 30 stops he has played. Other than at BL. Maybe that's why he's no longer there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He is such a bad coach that he was asked to coach a National
Team! He must be a good coach. I doubt this guy cares what someone says behind his back but has no guts to say to his face. You are irrelevant...bye!

There is a twisting of the facts with the Warrior National team. Most of that Maryland team was from the Crabs 2023 team that he already coached. If anyone went to those tryouts then they know that turnout was terrible.

The ACS team is run by Crabs. His son and a lot of other Crabs 2023 team players are on that team as well.

He pushed to be apart of those teams as he has coached his son at all 30 stops he has played. Other than at BL. Maybe that's why he's no longer there.

I have two boys at different ages, both were at one point coached by him. Both still say he was a great coach, and would play for him again. My one son had him as a head coach and my older son he helped coach practices. Both had positive experiences with him.

This thread's getting repetitive and boring. Frankly I feel sorry for any coach who gets trashed on anominous message boards. We can do better. Anyone interested in the upcoming NVYLL season? How did the McLean 14U tryouts go? Strong as always? Did Dulles South have tryouts yet?

When you are a good coach It creates many opportunities. When you have a great coaching record you get asked to coach a National Team. You don’t work your way on to a National Team. You earn it! Wherever FB goes he wins! That creates animosity from parents whose kids don’t make the teams he coaches. The more you win the better the players are. There are less than 20 kids on the ACS team. I know the many opportunities created for the boys he coaches. The parents and kids are happy to be on his team. There is a lot more positive than negative. Keep moving on and keep moving up!

Didn’t he create the team? Don’t think anyone is banging down the door for him to coach. The mass exedous from what was a really strong Crabs team should say enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t he create the team? Don’t think anyone is banging down the door for him to coach. The mass exedous from what was a really strong Crabs team should say enough.

Not familiar with ACS or FB. Will they be a HOCO team? Or just high-end tournaments? Noticed some NL and Madlax names on the roster - does that mean they left those programs for ACS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This thread's getting repetitive and boring. Frankly I feel sorry for any coach who gets trashed on anominous message boards. We can do better. Anyone interested in the upcoming NVYLL season? How did the McLean 14U tryouts go? Strong as always? Did Dulles South have tryouts yet?

Are you seriously talking about rec ball?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This thread's getting repetitive and boring. Frankly I feel sorry for any coach who gets trashed on anominous message boards. We can do better. Anyone interested in the upcoming NVYLL season? How did the McLean 14U tryouts go? Strong as always? Did Dulles South have tryouts yet?

Are you seriously talking about rec ball?

I hear FB is going to move to N.VA to coach Evergreen and Rec

Same odds as your kid never making it. I hear no one cares anymore.

[quote=Anonymous]I heard the ACS goalie mad the All Star Team! Must be a great goalie!

Thanks Hawks Goalie Dad for the update

Anything to move us off the FB stuff. Heck, I'd even prefer to revive the hold-back arguments.... Sigh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything to move us off the FB stuff. Heck, I'd even prefer to revive the hold-back arguments.... Sigh.

I second that! This guy must be the must annoying human. I can’t imagine why a coach wouldn’t want him on the team. Make sure you remain anonymous, so no one actually knows how pathetic you are.

So we are clear....please move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything to move us off the FB stuff. Heck, I'd even prefer to revive the hold-back arguments.... Sigh.

Don't want to revive the hold back discussion. Let's talk about goalies. Who has good ones? Clearly, the Hawks Dad thinks they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything to move us off the FB stuff. Heck, I'd even prefer to revive the hold-back arguments.... Sigh.

Don't want to revive the hold back discussion. Let's talk about goalies. Who has good ones? Clearly, the Hawks Dad thinks they do.

Obviously not Crabs 2023, if they have to get Hawks Goalies for their All World National Elite team...I bet those choices of who makes that ACS team ruffles some feathers of 2023 Crabs parents....What a disaster...Some sulking Crabs parents on that 2023 team.....Hilarious.....King Crab should just kick the 2023 parents and kids in the nuts kids that do not make that ACS team..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything to move us off the FB stuff. Heck, I'd even prefer to revive the hold-back arguments.... Sigh.

I second that! This guy must be the must annoying human. I can’t imagine why a coach wouldn’t want him on the team. Make sure you remain anonymous, so no one actually knows how pathetic you are.

So we are clear....please move on

I agree. But just one last thing. FlatBrim was heldback in his coaching career. Everyone thinks it is his 5th year coaching, Reality is he is in his 7th year. He did a prefirst and then later was reclassed. That is why he is bigger and smarter than many other coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything to move us off the FB stuff. Heck, I'd even prefer to revive the hold-back arguments.... Sigh.

Don't want to revive the hold back discussion. Let's talk about goalies. Who has good ones? Clearly, the Hawks Dad thinks they do.

Obviously not Crabs 2023, if they have to get Hawks Goalies for their All World National Elite team...I bet those choices of who makes that ACS team ruffles some feathers of 2023 Crabs parents....What a disaster...Some sulking Crabs parents on that 2023 team.....Hilarious.....King Crab should just kick the 2023 parents and kids in the nuts kids that do not make that ACS team..

Actually, I've seen the Crabs starting 23 goalie. He is good and his family is nice too. Imagine that.
P.S. My kid doesn't play for crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything to move us off the FB stuff. Heck, I'd even prefer to revive the hold-back arguments.... Sigh.

Don't want to revive the hold back discussion. Let's talk about goalies. Who has good ones? Clearly, the Hawks Dad thinks they do.

Obviously not Crabs 2023, if they have to get Hawks Goalies for their All World National Elite team...I bet those choices of who makes that ACS team ruffles some feathers of 2023 Crabs parents....What a disaster...Some sulking Crabs parents on that 2023 team.....Hilarious.....King Crab should just kick the 2023 parents and kids in the nuts kids that do not make that ACS team..

Actually, I've seen the Crabs starting 23 goalie. He is good and his family is nice too. Imagine that.
P.S. My kid doesn't play for crabs

Agree on Crabs 23 goalie and his family. We are also not with Crabs. Good people and kid is a good player.

I agree! We talked with him and his family in Florida! Very nice people. He had a great tournament! Crabs are lucky to have picked him up this year!
There are a lot of good goalies in the 2023 age group. Hawks goalie is very good too!

Where is the FL Tournament "2023 All Tournament Team" list posted. I would like to see it, I have not been able to find, leading me to wonder if it actually exists.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the FL Tournament "2023 All Tournament Team" list posted. I would like to see it, I have not been able to find, leading me to wonder if it actually exists.

If you were someone who needed to know...than you would know where to find it! Stop stalking other people’s children...you creepy stalker! You are irrelevant!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the FL Tournament "2023 All Tournament Team" list posted. I would like to see it, I have not been able to find, leading me to wonder if it actually exists.

It was just put out in an Instagram post. Doesn't matter anyway. The three best players from ACS were not on the all-tournament team and only one of the two from Dukes was on there. I mean c'mon FB - 24, 9, and 8 not on the all tourney team - really???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the FL Tournament "2023 All Tournament Team" list posted. I would like to see it, I have not been able to find, leading me to wonder if it actually exists.

They haven't posted them on the website yet you stalker. Why do you care? They name the all tournament team surprisingly....at the tournament.

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the FL Tournament "2023 All Tournament Team" list posted. I would like to see it, I have not been able to find, leading me to wonder if it actually exists.

It was just put out in an Instagram post. Doesn't matter anyway. The three best players from ACS were not on the all-tournament team and only one of the two from Dukes was on there. I mean c'mon FB - 24, 9, and 8 not on the all tourney team - really???

Dear clueless - 9 was the MVP. I agree about 24 and 8 though.

Nobody cares about the [ChillLaxin]'s tournament. Nobody.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the FL Tournament "2023 All Tournament Team" list posted. I would like to see it, I have not been able to find, leading me to wonder if it actually exists.

It was just put out in an Instagram post. Doesn't matter anyway. The three best players from ACS were not on the all-tournament team and only one of the two from Dukes was on there. I mean c'mon FB - 24, 9, and 8 not on the all tourney team - really???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the FL Tournament "2023 All Tournament Team" list posted. I would like to see it, I have not been able to find, leading me to wonder if it actually exists.

It was just put out in an Instagram post. Doesn't matter anyway. The three best players from ACS were not on the all-tournament team and only one of the two from Dukes was on there. I mean c'mon FB - 24, 9, and 8 not on the all tourney team - really???

Dear clueless - 9 was the MVP. I agree about 24 and 8 though.

Don’t you start Eagle Scout Daddyo!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares about the [ChillLaxin]'s tournament. Nobody.

Hater

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

I remember once speaking to a friend who is a college coach at a tournament for my older child and we were talking about what they look for at tournaments. First, they rarely if ever know who won or lost the game. They typically have a list of kids they look for. However, one interesting point was how he views goalies in particular. On strong teams he has found it frustrating when he goes to watch a goalie on his list and it is a mismatch game and he the goalie does not face as much action. He did mention that they watch how the goalies warm up, how the move, how they coach on the field. He mentioned that most people really do not know how to evaluate this position.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

I remember once speaking to a friend who is a college coach at a tournament for my older child and we were talking about what they look for at tournaments. First, they rarely if ever know who won or lost the game. They typically have a list of kids they look for. However, one interesting point was how he views goalies in particular. On strong teams he has found it frustrating when he goes to watch a goalie on his list and it is a mismatch game and he the goalie does not face as much action. He did mention that they watch how the goalies warm up, how the move, how they coach on the field. He mentioned that most people really do not know how to evaluate this position.

Coaches absolutely have names circled but they are still recruiting others who stand out and fit a role they need. The Goalie position is the hardest position for College Coaches to evaluate as it is the most fundamental position out there. Also, there are many factors that go into the evaluation process that ultimately make it more challenging such as if their defense is great or not great or if the competition is not so good or unknown. This is why goalies typically go later than any other position but you are certainly right about looking at their footwork, positioning and if they are quarterbacking the defense by being vocal.

Regardless of the negative comments about coaches and players. No one can take away your talent and keep working hard. For any kids on the forum! If you receive any awards, be proud and always be a good teammate! This is an anonymous forum because it is very unacceptable to have this kind of hate and animosity towards children!
Do not let the opinions of others ruin your experience. If someone cannot Congratulate you on your award then it is their problem, not yours!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

Ironically, one of the Duke's goalies is on the Crabs 2023 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

Ironically, one of the Duke's goalies is on the Crabs 2023 team.

He is a Crabs 2023 starting goalie. He had a great tournament! Nice kid and nice family!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

Ironically, one of the Duke's goalies is on the Crabs 2023 team.

He is a Crabs 2023 starting goalie. He had a great tournament! Nice kid and nice family!

New strategy, Crabs starting two goalies...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

Ironically, one of the Duke's goalies is on the Crabs 2023 team.

He is a Crabs 2023 starting goalie. He had a great tournament! Nice kid

and nice family!

New strategy, Crabs starting two goalies...

Ironically only one can goalie start. One time I was talking to my friend who coaches College and that is what he told me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It exists... I saw it somewhere online. I am a Duke's parent who saw many of the games. There is a lot of chatter on here about goalies. The ACS goalies were ok although not great in the championship. Our Goalie and the Georgia goalie both had a better tournament. Just sayin'

Ironically, one of the Duke's goalies is on the Crabs 2023 team.

He is a Crabs 2023 starting goalie. He had a great tournament! Nice kid and nice family!

I thought he had a nice tournament as well; seems humble and well adjusted to this level of play. I thought 87 on Dukes was a stud and the FO kid was a nice player as well; 24 on ACS was a man among boys!

Dukes has the best 2023 Attackman by far, wouldn't you agree?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes has the best 2023 Attackman by far, wouldn't you agree?

By far no, they have other great players but very good Attackman and unit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Dukes has the best 2023 Attackman by far, wouldn't you agree?

By far no and there are other great players but great players?

Dukes has a solid team top to bottom

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Dukes has the best 2023 Attackman by far, wouldn't you agree?

By far no and there are other great players but great attackmen

Yes, they are very good at attack and all around

It is clear one person goes back and forth asking and responding to their own questions. Someone who tries to pit players and parents against each other! I know who you are and I can’t wait for you to see what we have in store for you! Good bye anonymous forum for weirdos and stalkers. I will get information about lacrosse from reliable sources.

bye

You know we can all tell you are asking and responding to your own questions!? Pure trash talking starter...that is why you and your friends are no longer around! Easily replaced and a better team for it. Good luck finding another school for your son’s Fresh/Soph!
You better get some tissues! It if going to be a long six years for you!

There is some really personal and immature banter on this site. While I will admit that some of it is very entertaining - parents and coaches should really take a look at this article and ones like it.

http://www.janssensportsleadership....u-have-discover-the-7-kinds-of-cultures/

Might be worthwhile to also conduct a 360 evaluation of the values, ethics and goals you are passing along to your kids/players through your own actions and daily narrative - especially if these blog comments are anything near what the kitchen table or carpool discussion content is they might be hearing. At 7th grade - shouldn't the game of lacrosse be more about enhancing fundamentals, building lacrosse IQ, truly enjoying the sport and associated camaraderie of your teammates and friends? Just food for thought.

Great article! Thank you!

No. This is my cross.... There are many more like it but this is mine. My coach makes killing lacrosse machines that will get recruited at D1. Our mission is to destroy cheddar, slash, and clear the crease. All other results are unsatisfactory. What is your major malfunction???

The Georgia Goalie was also on the All Tournament team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is clear one person goes back and forth asking and responding to their own questions. Someone who tries to pit players and parents against each other! I know who you are and I can’t wait for you to see what we have in store for you! Good bye anonymous forum for weirdos and stalkers. I will get information about lacrosse from reliable sources.

On behalf of a grateful community -- thank you.

I know that this has been discussed previously but I was curious if anyone may have some info on the HOCO Club Spring League and how the divisions will be set up for the 2023 group? Elite vs AA vs A etc. Thank you

They have a competition meeting soon. They could have four divisions Elite, AA, A and B. I would guess the debate is at elite or AAA the top teams are:
CB, Crabs, Hawks, Looney's, NL, FCA, Bethesda and after that it is adding another team that has little shot to win out of a pool of teams. Is it better to lead the next level or bottom of the top?

Just found this list. I don't know all the clubs, but it's pretty impressive that Cavalier 2023 is ranked #16 in the nation.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BchxMQDAJrW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New year as teams get ready for Spring what will HOCO Elite look like? will they take 7 or 8 teams? Who is added or drops from last year's AAA Div.

In:
CB
Crabs
Looneys
NL
Bethesda
Hawks
FCA
On the bubble:
91
MadLax
Best of the rest?:
Cavalier
SR
VLC
Lax Factory

91.MD aren't on the bubble, their bubble burst! They will be on par with teams similar to FCA white, Looney's green and Laxworld.

That a Low blow!!

very true statement though.

"Is it better to lead the next level or be at bottom of the top?"

Unlike many parents, I couldn't care less about team's won-loss records - just want to see my son improve as much as possible before high school.

If my son plays attack (and midi to a lesser extent), I'd rather have his team lead the next level so there's more opportunity for him to work on offensive skills. If he's a defender, rather his team be at the bottom of the top so he gets more play action.

If my son was one of the weaker players on his team, I'd rather the squad be at the top of the division. Bench players get even less play time in losing efforts. When teams are winning, everyone gets playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have a competition meeting soon. They could have four divisions Elite, AA, A and B. I would guess the debate is at elite or AAA the top teams are:
CB, Crabs, Hawks, Looney's, NL, FCA, Bethesda and after that it is adding another team that has little shot to win out of a pool of teams. Is it better to lead the next level or bottom of the top?

AAA??? Are you freaking serious??? How about A, B, C & D??? You people are a joke! You can’t accept that your kid is a D player?? Half these kids are freaking 14!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have a competition meeting soon. They could have four divisions Elite, AA, A and B. I would guess the debate is at elite or AAA the top teams are:
CB, Crabs, Hawks, Looney's, NL, FCA, Bethesda and after that it is adding another team that has little shot to win out of a pool of teams. Is it better to lead the next level or bottom of the top?

AAA??? Are you freaking serious??? How about A, B, C & D??? You people are a joke! You can’t accept that your kid is a D player?? Half these kids are freaking 14!!

If they are 14 they should not be 2023

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have a competition meeting soon. They could have four divisions Elite, AA, A and B. I would guess the debate is at elite or AAA the top teams are:
CB, Crabs, Hawks, Looney's, NL, FCA, Bethesda and after that it is adding another team that has little shot to win out of a pool of teams. Is it better to lead the next level or bottom of the top?

AAA??? Are you freaking serious??? How about A, B, C & D??? You people are a joke! You can’t accept that your kid is a D player?? Half these kids are freaking 14!!

why does what they call the various levels bother you? You get annoyed at minor league baseball with AAA, AA, A ball?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have a competition meeting soon. They could have four divisions Elite, AA, A and B. I would guess the debate is at elite or AAA the top teams are:
CB, Crabs, Hawks, Looney's, NL, FCA, Bethesda and after that it is adding another team that has little shot to win out of a pool of teams. Is it better to lead the next level or bottom of the top?

AAA??? Are you freaking serious??? How about A, B, C & D??? You people are a joke! You can’t accept that your kid is a D player?? Half these kids are freaking 14!!

If they are 14 they should not be 2023

That is incorrect. If on age they shouldnt be 14. But this is a Maryland league with MIAA influence. Therefore you have a lot of overage players that were heldback or for some who dont like the holdback word, they did a prefirst. 12 to 13 is on age for 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have a competition meeting soon. They could have four divisions Elite, AA, A and B. I would guess the debate is at elite or AAA the top teams are:
CB, Crabs, Hawks, Looney's, NL, FCA, Bethesda and after that it is adding another team that has little shot to win out of a pool of teams. Is it better to lead the next level or bottom of the top?

AAA??? Are you freaking serious??? How about A, B, C & D??? You people are a joke! You can’t accept that your kid is a D player?? Half these kids are freaking 14!!

If they are 14 they should not be 2023

That is incorrect. If on age they shouldnt be 14. But this is a Maryland league with MIAA influence. Therefore you have a lot of overage players that were heldback or for some who dont like the holdback word, they did a prefirst. 12 to 13 is on age for 2023.

Let’s be honest, 3-4 14 year olds on team is realistic. In the summer that jumps to 7-9.

I hear Cav 2023 is pushing hard to be in the top division at HoCo. If so, watch out. We might not win it all, but we are definitely going to win some games against the best teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have a competition meeting soon. They could have four divisions Elite, AA, A and B. I would guess the debate is at elite or AAA the top teams are:
CB, Crabs, Hawks, Looney's, NL, FCA, Bethesda and after that it is adding another team that has little shot to win out of a pool of teams. Is it better to lead the next level or bottom of the top?

AAA??? Are you freaking serious??? How about A, B, C & D??? You people are a joke! You can’t accept that your kid is a D player?? Half these kids are freaking 14!!

If they are 14 they should not be 2023

That is incorrect. If on age they shouldnt be 14. But this is a Maryland league with MIAA influence. Therefore you have a lot of overage players that were heldback or for some who dont like the holdback word, they did a prefirst. 12 to 13 is on age for 2023.

Let’s be honest, 3-4 14 year olds on team is realistic. In the summer that jumps to 7-9.

While it is realistic and the holdback/prefirst way. Those 3-4 players are getting an advantage the majority of players are not getting. Wrong on all levels of YOUTH lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear Cav 2023 is pushing hard to be in the top division at HoCo. If so, watch out. We might not win it all, but we are definitely going to win some games against the best teams.

Which top team will Cav’s beat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I hear Cav 2023 is pushing hard to be in the top division at HoCo. If so, watch out. We might not win it all, but we are definitely going to win some games against the best teams.

Hahaha! That's hysterical. No chance that team wins a game against real competition which is why that team only plays cupcakes and B level tournaments.

you don't have to push to get into ELITE DIVISION, just sign up. Cav's will have one win, against Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you don't have to push to get into ELITE DIVISION, just sign up. Cav's will have one win, against Madlax.

Not true. HoCo has a competition committee that decides who gets in and who doesn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you don't have to push to get into ELITE DIVISION, just sign up. Cav's will have one win, against Madlax.

Not true. HoCo has a competition committee that decides who gets in and who doesn't.

Also, Madlax is not elite and Cav's would not beat them anyway so 0 for 3.

They didn't have one last year

Lots of haters, which we expect. Guess you guys are jealous of the the #16 ranked 2023 team in the world. Sorry your team isn't ranked.

My guess is the HOCO AA or Elite; however you want to label it will have 6 teams:

Club Blue
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
Looney's
BLC

I really do not think any other team(s) should be in that division other than the top 6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is the HOCO AA or Elite; however you want to label it will have 6 teams:

Club Blue
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
Looney's
BLC

I really do not think any other team(s) should be in that division other than the top 6.

Next Level certainly belongs in there. And Madlax had the same record in HOCO as Looney's last year.

Good luck keeping Millon and 91 out of that division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is the HOCO AA or Elite; however you want to label it will have 6 teams:

Club Blue
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
Looney's
BLC

I really do not think any other team(s) should be in that division other than the top 6.

Next Level for sure

Yes My Bad; Next Level should definitely be in the Elite Division.

2023 top division should be done one of 2 ways-

7 top teams- Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL all play each other once. No easy games, all teams play each other. Only con is uneven # requires byes, midweek game. I guess leaves out teams that might want higher comp

or

12 teams Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL 91 Madlax, South River, Cavalier, VLC.

6 team divisions. You play each team in division and 1 cross division game. 1st and 2nd place in each division make playoff. Divisions based on last years finish-

Div 1 - Club Blue FCA Bethesda Looneys 91 VLC
Div 2 - Crabs Next Level Hawks Madlax Cavalier SR

Inter division games would be against similarly ranked team from last year. Ie Crabs play CB, VLC play SR etc.. The 6 teams that had winning records in AA would have 3 games vs each other plus a game vs either Looneys or MAdlax and a couple of games that they should win easily.

Originally Posted by Fred44

2023 top division should be done one of 2 ways-

7 top teams- Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL all play each other once. No easy games, all teams play each other. Only con is uneven # requires byes, midweek game. I guess leaves out teams that might want higher comp

or

12 teams Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL 91 Madlax, South River, Cavalier, VLC.

6 team divisions. You play each team in division and 1 cross division game. 1st and 2nd place in each division make playoff. Divisions based on last years finish-

Div 1 - Club Blue FCA Bethesda Looneys 91 VLC
Div 2 - Crabs Next Level Hawks Madlax Cavalier SR

Inter division games would be against similarly ranked team from last year. Ie Crabs play CB, VLC play SR etc.. The 6 teams that had winning records in AA would have 3 games vs each other plus a game vs either Looneys or MAdlax and a couple of games that they should win easily.

Better yet, East and West:
East: Crabs, FCA, 91, Looney's, Hawks, SR
West: CB, NL, Cavalier, Madlax, VLC, Bethesda

West teams could find a field in Mont. Co but then it would not be the HOCO league.

Originally Posted by Fred44

2023 top division should be done one of 2 ways-

7 top teams- Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL all play each other once. No easy games, all teams play each other. Only con is uneven # requires byes, midweek game. I guess leaves out teams that might want higher comp

or

12 teams Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL 91 Madlax, South River, Cavalier, VLC.

6 team divisions. You play each team in division and 1 cross division game. 1st and 2nd place in each division make playoff. Divisions based on last years finish-

Div 1 - Club Blue FCA Bethesda Looneys 91 VLC
Div 2 - Crabs Next Level Hawks Madlax Cavalier SR

Inter division games would be against similarly ranked team from last year. Ie Crabs play CB, VLC play SR etc.. The 6 teams that had winning records in AA would have 3 games vs each other plus a game vs either Looneys or MAdlax and a couple of games that they should win easily.

91 is nowhere near Elite, they belong with FCA White and Looney Green

Driving up and back to Columbia each weekend is a hassle. Would love to see a spring travel team league closer to Northern Virginia. I heard that this was being considered last year. Anyone know what happened?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Driving up and back to Columbia each weekend is a hassle. Would love to see a spring travel team league closer to Northern Virginia. I heard that this was being considered last year. Anyone know what happened?

not enough talent

Mclean box in fall and triple edge in winter are fun leagues. Madlax, VLC ,Cav's ,Top Caliber, Club Blue and the Next great team evergreen would be a pretty good league but no match for the top teams in Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Driving up and back to Columbia each weekend is a hassle. Would love to see a spring travel team league closer to Northern Virginia. I heard that this was being considered last year. Anyone know what happened?

not enough talent

Hoco works because it's within 90 minutes of all the programs - from Nova, AA county, counties in northern MD and southern PA. They control dozens of turf fields & are willing to do all the scheduling etc. They NYPLL folded because Hoco relieved club directors of a whole lot of logistics

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box in fall and triple edge in winter are fun leagues. Madlax, VLC ,Cav's ,Top Caliber, Club Blue and the Next great team evergreen would be a pretty good league but no match for the top teams in Maryland

A league with Madlax, VLC, Cav's, TC, Evergreen, ect....10 years ago was called NVYLL same level of competition as today just more money in the parents pocket and less money to the club.

Originally Posted by Fred44

2023 top division should be done one of 2 ways-

7 top teams- Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL all play each other once. No easy games, all teams play each other. Only con is uneven # requires byes, midweek game. I guess leaves out teams that might want higher comp

or

12 teams Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL 91 Madlax, South River, Cavalier, VLC.

6 team divisions. You play each team in division and 1 cross division game. 1st and 2nd place in each division make playoff. Divisions based on last years finish-

Div 1 - Club Blue FCA Bethesda Looneys 91 VLC
Div 2 - Crabs Next Level Hawks Madlax Cavalier SR

Inter division games would be against similarly ranked team from last year. Ie Crabs play CB, VLC play SR etc.. The 6 teams that had winning records in AA would have 3 games vs each other plus a game vs either Looneys or MAdlax and a couple of games that they should win easily.

I liked the Second option until " Crabs play CB, VLC play SR ". I prefer that the last week of the season the 1st pays 6th and break down like a playoff, and then you have the 7 weeks. No need to have Crabs play CB to destroy one team's season, and it does not affect the mid table teams as they would play each other under both Rules.

Totally agree on the McLean league. Would be nice to see more travel teams join next year. Has Triple Edge worked out its scheduling issues? Reputation is that TE schedules are always late and piecemeal (two weeks at a time) which can be really frustrating for planning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Fred44

2023 top division should be done one of 2 ways-

7 top teams- Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL all play each other once. No easy games, all teams play each other. Only con is uneven # requires byes, midweek game. I guess leaves out teams that might want higher comp

or

12 teams Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL 91 Madlax, South River, Cavalier, VLC.

6 team divisions. You play each team in division and 1 cross division game. 1st and 2nd place in each division make playoff. Divisions based on last years finish-

Div 1 - Club Blue FCA Bethesda Looneys 91 VLC
Div 2 - Crabs Next Level Hawks Madlax Cavalier SR

Inter division games would be against similarly ranked team from last year. Ie Crabs play CB, VLC play SR etc.. The 6 teams that had winning records in AA would have 3 games vs each other plus a game vs either Looneys or MAdlax and a couple of games that they should win easily.

I liked the Second option until " Crabs play CB, VLC play SR ". I prefer that the last week of the season the 1st pays 6th and break down like a playoff, and then you have the 7 weeks. No need to have Crabs play CB to destroy one team's season, and it does not affect the mid table teams as they would play each other under both Rules.

I would think the top teams would want to play as many games as possible against like competition. Not sure how Crabs and CB playing each other destroys as season. If they are one of the top teams they should have no problem going 4-1 in division.

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

Originally Posted by Fred44

2023 top division should be done one of 2 ways-

7 top teams- Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL all play each other once. No easy games, all teams play each other. Only con is uneven # requires byes, midweek game. I guess leaves out teams that might want higher comp

or

12 teams Club Blue Hawks Crabs FCA Looney's BLC NL 91 Madlax, South River, Cavalier, VLC.

6 team divisions. You play each team in division and 1 cross division game. 1st and 2nd place in each division make playoff. Divisions based on last years finish-

Div 1 - Club Blue FCA Bethesda Looneys 91 VLC
Div 2 - Crabs Next Level Hawks Madlax Cavalier SR

Inter division games would be against similarly ranked team from last year. Ie Crabs play CB, VLC play SR etc.. The 6 teams that had winning records in AA would have 3 games vs each other plus a game vs either Looneys or MAdlax and a couple of games that they should win easily.

there 6 games so with a 7 team division there is no need for a mid week game you can't play yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally agree on the McLean league. Would be nice to see more travel teams join next year. Has Triple Edge worked out its scheduling issues? Reputation is that TE schedules are always late and piecemeal (two weeks at a time) which can be really frustrating for planning.

McLean box is terrible. Only bad habits are learned.

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I would think NL and Hawks may be the top of this group based on fall results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I agree with the 8 Team Elite Division but question 91 over VLC or MadLax unless they're not participating in the HOCO League. That 91 team lost some quality players and may have picked up a few but no where near "elite/AA" status. MM ego is getting in the way of this teams success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Another stunad dad. They would be better off playing true box instead of that stupid hybrid crap. They don't learn how to set moving screens, work in tight spaces, etc. Instead it's just going up and down and having mommy and daddy scream their heads off.

It's terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Another stunad dad. They would be better off playing true box instead of that stupid hybrid crap. They don't learn how to set moving screens, work in tight spaces, etc. Instead it's just going up and down and having mommy and daddy scream their heads off.

It's terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I agree with the 8 Team Elite Division but question 91 over VLC or MadLax unless they're not participating in the HOCO League. That 91 team lost some quality players and may have picked up a few but no where near "elite/AA" status. MM ego is getting in the way of this teams success.

VLC beat Team 91 MD by 8 goals. That 91 team is terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Another stunad dad. They would be better off playing true box instead of that stupid hybrid crap. They don't learn how to set moving screens, work in tight spaces, etc. Instead it's just going up and down and having mommy and daddy scream their heads off.

It's terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I agree with the 8 Team Elite Division but question 91 over VLC or MadLax unless they're not participating in the HOCO League. That 91 team lost some quality players and may have picked up a few but no where near "elite/AA" status. MM ego is getting in the way of this teams success.

VLC beat Team 91 MD by 8 goals. That 91 team is terrible.

Yes that was my point; I think this "elite/AA" division would solid from top to bottom with VLC in there as opposed to 91 or even South River. VLC handled 91 pretty easily. I think the top team in this division are Hawks, NL and FCA in no particular order. Based on the Fall results it appears Crabs took a step back as did Club Blue; Looney's will .500 maybe and I have no idea about BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Another stunad dad. They would be better off playing true box instead of that stupid hybrid crap. They don't learn how to set moving screens, work in tight spaces, etc. Instead it's just going up and down and having mommy and daddy scream their heads off.

It's terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I agree with the 8 Team Elite Division but question 91 over VLC or MadLax unless they're not participating in the HOCO League. That 91 team lost some quality players and may have picked up a few but no where near "elite/AA" status. MM ego is getting in the way of this teams success.

VLC beat Team 91 MD by 8 goals. That 91 team is terrible.

Fake news the T91 team at that age is very good they simply choose to play in the 2024 Div where they beat MadLax this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Another stunad dad. They would be better off playing true box instead of that stupid hybrid crap. They don't learn how to set moving screens, work in tight spaces, etc. Instead it's just going up and down and having mommy and daddy scream their heads off.

It's terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I agree with the 8 Team Elite Division but question 91 over VLC or MadLax unless they're not participating in the HOCO League. That 91 team lost some quality players and may have picked up a few but no where near "elite/AA" status. MM ego is getting in the way of this teams success.

VLC beat Team 91 MD by 8 goals. That 91 team is terrible.

Way to disparage a group of 7th graders I’m sure your new team will enjoy the cancer you have brought to them. Did you have to double check Tourney Machine to get your stats correct?

VLC is not that good. Lax Factory beat them this fall. Should just be 7 teams previously listed... 91, MadLax, VLC, SR, Cavalier, LF all in over their head at this stage of puberty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Another stunad dad. They would be better off playing true box instead of that stupid hybrid crap. They don't learn how to set moving screens, work in tight spaces, etc. Instead it's just going up and down and having mommy and daddy scream their heads off.

It's terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I agree with the 8 Team Elite Division but question 91 over VLC or MadLax unless they're not participating in the HOCO League. That 91 team lost some quality players and may have picked up a few but no where near "elite/AA" status. MM ego is getting in the way of this teams success.

VLC beat Team 91 MD by 8 goals. That 91 team is terrible.

Way to disparage a group of 7th graders I’m sure your new team will enjoy the cancer you have brought to them. Did you have to double check Tourney Machine to get your stats correct?

Actually no I did not need to go to the Tourney Machine; the lacrosse community is small and everyone knows this team is no where near a AA/Elite team. How did they do against the Hawks in the Fall? The sooner MM and that coaching staff (if that is what you want to call them) realizes that, the more success the team will have and the kids will actually enjoy playing. Or you can just keep flying kids up from Texas to compete/win; that doesn't bother anyone who's kid is busting their A** at practice every week. Nice blueprint 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mclean box is GREAT, the kids love it...bad habits pleeeeaaase...don't worry about the scholarship...let the kids play

Another stunad dad. They would be better off playing true box instead of that stupid hybrid crap. They don't learn how to set moving screens, work in tight spaces, etc. Instead it's just going up and down and having mommy and daddy scream their heads off.

It's terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see on the 2022 thread that some emails went out about teams in the Elite div. Any word on 2023

Crabs, Club Blue, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Bethesda, Looneys, 91 MD - 8 team division. Hoco is trying to do all 8 team divisions this year with 7 games and keep things balanced.

I agree with the 8 Team Elite Division but question 91 over VLC or MadLax unless they're not participating in the HOCO League. That 91 team lost some quality players and may have picked up a few but no where near "elite/AA" status. MM ego is getting in the way of this teams success.

VLC beat Team 91 MD by 8 goals. That 91 team is terrible.

Way to disparage a group of 7th graders I’m sure your new team will enjoy the cancer you have brought to them. Did you have to double check Tourney Machine to get your stats correct?

Actually no I did not need to go to the Tourney Machine; the lacrosse community is small and everyone knows this team is no where near a AA/Elite team. How did they do against the Hawks in the Fall? The sooner MM and that coaching staff (if that is what you want to call them) realizes that, the more success the team will have and the kids will actually enjoy playing. Or you can just keep flying kids up from Texas to compete/win; that doesn't bother anyone who's kid is busting their A** at practice every week. Nice blueprint 91.

They did beat club blue this fall

A watered down Club Blue playing in a Fall Tournament with half their Team missing; and 91 was smoked the rest of that tournament against subpar team. If they play AA in HOCO watch how that rematch goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A watered down Club Blue playing in a Fall Tournament with half their Team missing; and 91 was smoked the rest of that tournament against subpar team. If they play AA in HOCO watch how that rematch goes.

Can’t put a lot of stock in fall tournament results and making excuses is not only resevered for Club Blue, they lost to True National by 2 that day as well what does that say about 91? VLC? In the fall teams are missing players and have reloaded, never more evident than this year. You need to let go...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC is not that good. Lax Factory beat them this fall. Should just be 7 teams previously listed... 91, MadLax, VLC, SR, Cavalier, LF all in over their head at this stage of puberty.

Kids were missing. VLC almost narrowly lost to Bethesda and NL. Man, you keep posting the same crap every day. Must kill you that VLC beat your Madlax team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A watered down Club Blue playing in a Fall Tournament with half their Team missing; and 91 was smoked the rest of that tournament against subpar team. If they play AA in HOCO watch how that rematch goes.

Can’t put a lot of stock in fall tournament results and making excuses is not only resevered for Club Blue, they lost to True National by 2 that day as well what does that say about 91? VLC? In the fall teams are missing players and have reloaded, never more evident than this year. You need to let go...

I agree it was a bad tournament all around from what I hear; conditions were horrible. So what happened against the Hawks and 91? We shall see what happens in HOCO come spring; if they play AA.

Not a MadLax dad... So let's ask the VLC parents on this forum... How many of your kids were missing at the Autumn Classic Tournament? In person, I saw them lose to Lax Factory and I saw 20+ kids on their sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A watered down Club Blue playing in a Fall Tournament with half their Team missing; and 91 was smoked the rest of that tournament against subpar team. If they play AA in HOCO watch how that rematch goes.

Can’t put a lot of stock in fall tournament results and making excuses is not only resevered for Club Blue, they lost to True National by 2 that day as well what does that say about 91? VLC? In the fall teams are missing players and have reloaded, never more evident than this year. You need to let go...

I agree it was a bad tournament all around from what I hear; conditions were horrible. So what happened against the Hawks and 91? We shall see what happens in HOCO come spring; if they play AA.

Whatever... An excuse... My kid is better than your kid...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A watered down Club Blue playing in a Fall Tournament with half their Team missing; and 91 was smoked the rest of that tournament against subpar team. If they play AA in HOCO watch how that rematch goes.

Can’t put a lot of stock in fall tournament results and making excuses is not only resevered for Club Blue, they lost to True National by 2 that day as well what does that say about 91? VLC? In the fall teams are missing players and have reloaded, never more evident than this year. You need to let go...

I agree it was a bad tournament all around from what I hear; conditions were horrible. So what happened against the Hawks and 91? We shall see what happens in HOCO come spring; if they play AA.

Whatever... An excuse... My kid is better than your kid...

It’s ok I know you’re frustrated because your kid couldn’t make any other club team and you just had stay with 91 due to having no other options. So make the best of it; it’s all you can do at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A watered down Club Blue playing in a Fall Tournament with half their Team missing; and 91 was smoked the rest of that tournament against subpar team. If they play AA in HOCO watch how that rematch goes.

Can’t put a lot of stock in fall tournament results and making excuses is not only resevered for Club Blue, they lost to True National by 2 that day as well what does that say about 91? VLC? In the fall teams are missing players and have reloaded, never more evident than this year. You need to let go...

I agree it was a bad tournament all around from what I hear; conditions were horrible. So what happened against the Hawks and 91? We shall see what happens in HOCO come spring; if they play AA.

Whatever... An excuse... My kid is better than your kid...

It’s ok I know you’re frustrated because your kid couldn’t make any other club team and you just had stay with 91 due to having no other options. So make the best of it; it’s all you can do at this point.

oooh. burn. you totally got that guy.

You're all stunads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A watered down Club Blue playing in a Fall Tournament with half their Team missing; and 91 was smoked the rest of that tournament against subpar team. If they play AA in HOCO watch how that rematch goes.

Can’t put a lot of stock in fall tournament results and making excuses is not only resevered for Club Blue, they lost to True National by 2 that day as well what does that say about 91? VLC? In the fall teams are missing players and have reloaded, never more evident than this year. You need to let go...

I agree it was a bad tournament all around from what I hear; conditions were horrible. So what happened against the Hawks and 91? We shall see what happens in HOCO come spring; if they play AA.

Whatever... An excuse... My kid is better than your kid...

It’s ok I know you’re frustrated because your kid couldn’t make any other club team and you just had stay with 91 due to having no other options. So make the best of it; it’s all you can do at this point.

oooh. burn. you totally got that guy.

You're all stunads.

I have heard horror stories about the age group and the drama that surrounded it last season. Sounds like this is the drama vs remaining parent. These are generally entertaining! lol

Which 2023 teams are going to the WSYL qualifier?

https://wtop.com/maryland/2018/02/maryland-to-introduce-bill-to-ban-tackle-football-under-age-14

This would also ban checking in Lacrosse. I guess only the holdback kids would be allowed to be hit. That would be interesting to watch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://wtop.com/maryland/2018/02/maryland-to-introduce-bill-to-ban-tackle-football-under-age-14

This would also ban checking in Lacrosse. I guess only the holdback kids would be allowed to be hit. That would be interesting to watch

Hopefully try also ban loser dads alike you who whine incessantly.

Short list because most teams are chock full of holdbacks. Believe its just NL and Cavs. Believe Breakers is trying to put together a team. If NL's whole team is really on age (would be surprised) they have a chance to make noise. Cavs and Breakers, no shot.

How many wins will the Virginia power house teams have in HOCO?
elite madlax o
AA CAV's 2
AA VLC 2
A Club Blue 2
B evergreen 2
over under looks like 8.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many wins will the Virginia power house teams have in HOCO?
elite madlax o
AA CAV's 2
AA VLC 2
A Club Blue 2
B evergreen 2
over under looks like 8.5

I like what this guy is trying to do? He is trying to bring back the Maryland Vs. Va trash talk!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many wins will the Virginia power house teams have in HOCO?
elite madlax o
AA CAV's 2
AA VLC 2
A Club Blue 2
B evergreen 2
over under looks like 8.5

First of all, there is not way Madlax is Elite or should be in the Elite Div. Second, Club Blue would not win two games in the A division which is really the B division. I assume you are referring to Club Blue VA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many wins will the Virginia power house teams have in HOCO?
elite madlax o
AA CAV's 2
AA VLC 2
A Club Blue 2
B evergreen 2
over under looks like 8.5

First of all, there is not way Madlax is Elite or should be in the Elite Div. Second, Club Blue would not win two games in the A division which is really the B division. I assume you are referring to Club Blue VA.

Madlax and Club Blue are 2 of the 8 teams in the 2023 Elite Div. as 2/5/18

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many wins will the Virginia power house teams have in HOCO?
elite madlax o
AA CAV's 2
AA VLC 2
A Club Blue 2
B evergreen 2
over under looks like 8.5

First of all, there is not way Madlax is Elite or should be in the Elite Div. Second, Club Blue would not win two games in the A division which is really the B division. I assume you are referring to Club Blue VA.

Madlax and Club Blue are 2 of the 8 teams in the 2023 Elite Div. as 2/5/18

Is this based off of last years divisions or new information about this years HOVO Club League?

new

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

2023 A
USS Carriers
PG Lacrosse Club
Hereford (HLC)
Sidewinders
Club Blue (B)
Zingos
Lax World
Rock
G
LOONEYS
Peninsula
Thunder
Top Caliber

2023 B
Zingos (B)
Bethesda Orange
Breakers (B)
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish Neon
Koopers
HoCo
MDX
Madlax DMV
Revolution
Green Hornets
Evergreen

Looks correct to me... Need MadLax to balance the 8, but they are going to have a rough spring.

VLC beat both Madlax and Club Blue this fall. Makes no sense other than the Madlax owner manipulating things per usual.

Rough...not going to win a game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC beat both Madlax and Club Blue this fall. Makes no sense other than the Madlax owner manipulating things per usual.

VLC did not play Club Blue this fall FAKE NEWS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many wins will the Virginia power house teams have in HOCO?
elite madlax o
AA CAV's 2
AA VLC 2
A Club Blue 2
B evergreen 2
over under looks like 8.5

Hope your talking about the club blue b cause the team that one top division HOCO is not gonna play in A and only win 2 game keep in mind they won the championship last year

Breakers playing AA thats a mistake

thank you, its all about having some fun. Bashing holdback cheaters, Madlax being over rated, Maryland better then Virginia and Whining Dads. My kid is better then yours. Lets start the season already

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

2023 A
USS Carriers
PG Lacrosse Club
Hereford (HLC)
Sidewinders
Club Blue (B)
Zingos
Lax World
Rock
G
LOONEYS
Peninsula
Thunder
Top Caliber

2023 B
Zingos (B)
Bethesda Orange
Breakers (B)
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish Neon
Koopers
HoCo
MDX
Madlax DMV
Revolution
Green Hornets
Evergreen

Thank you; where is this information found? Link?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

2023 A
USS Carriers
PG Lacrosse Club
Hereford (HLC)
Sidewinders
Club Blue (B)
Zingos
Lax World
Rock
G
LOONEYS
Peninsula
Thunder
Top Caliber

2023 B
Zingos (B)
Bethesda Orange
Breakers (B)
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish Neon
Koopers
HoCo
MDX
Madlax DMV
Revolution
Green Hornets
Evergreen

Thank you; where is this information found? Link?

It was emailed to our coach on Monday. Preliminary groupings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

2023 A
USS Carriers
PG Lacrosse Club
Hereford (HLC)
Sidewinders
Club Blue (B)
Zingos
Lax World
Rock
G
LOONEYS
Peninsula
Thunder
Top Caliber

2023 B
Zingos (B)
Bethesda Orange
Breakers (B)
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish Neon
Koopers
HoCo
MDX
Madlax DMV
Revolution
Green Hornets
Evergreen

Are we really thinking that 91 is not going to play in the Elite division?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

Are we really thinking that 91 is not going to play in the Elite division?

without a doubt, they may not even be competitive in the "AA" division. Two years ago they were losing to teams like Looney's green, then they pickup a few excellent players and decided last year to play the top division and were not very competitive. They lost many good players and at best will be "AA", but probably more along the lines of "A".

Don't forget to count the 2 players that came up from Texas last season... a middie and defenseman. Wonder if they are planning on bringing more kids up for the weekends?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

2023 A
USS Carriers
PG Lacrosse Club
Hereford (HLC)
Sidewinders
Club Blue (B)
Zingos
Lax World
Rock
G
LOONEYS
Peninsula
Thunder
Top Caliber

2023 B
Zingos (B)
Bethesda Orange
Breakers (B)
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish Neon
Koopers
HoCo
MDX
Madlax DMV
Revolution
Green Hornets
Evergreen

Are we really thinking that 91 is not going to play in the Elite division?

My guess is the "egomaniac/ known as the Madman Mark Millon will no tallow it; remember this 2023 Team is competing in the National Championship in July......yeah no agenda here.

Preseason Rankings of the Elite 2018 2023's:

1. Annapolis Hawks
2. Next Level
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. Club Blue
6. Bethesda
7. LOONEYS
8. Madlax Capitol

Thoughts and/or predictions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preseason Rankings of the Elite 2018 2023's:

1. Annapolis Hawks
2. Next Level
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. Club Blue
6. Bethesda
7. LOONEYS
8. Madlax Capitol

Thoughts and/or predictions?

This looks pretty spot on. 4 of the 8 will be at the NL spring play day so that should be a good pre-season indicator.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preseason Rankings of the Elite 2018 2023's:

1. Annapolis Hawks
2. Next Level
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. Club Blue
6. Bethesda
7. LOONEYS
8. Madlax Capitol

Thoughts and/or predictions?

The combined record of the HoCo teams FCA beat last year was 6-18, besides stalling for a 5-4 win over BLC last year who have they ever beat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preseason Rankings of the Elite 2018 2023's:

1. Annapolis Hawks
2. Next Level
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. Club Blue
6. Bethesda
7. LOONEYS
8. Madlax Capitol

Thoughts and/or predictions?

The combined record of the HoCo teams FCA beat last year was 6-18, besides stalling for a 5-4 win over BLC last year who have they ever beat?

They beat Crabs this past fall and have added some talent without question. I think they will be a much improved team this year. Hawks is still the team to beat and from what I saw of NL they are right there with Hawks. I honestly don't know what to expect from BLC or Club Blue this year and well Looney's is Looney's. I think the top 4-5 teams will be evenly matched.

[quote=Anonymous]Preseason Rankings of the Elite 2018 2023's:

1. Annapolis Hawks
2. Next Level
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. Club Blue
6. Bethesda
7. LOONEYS
8. Madlax Capitol

Thoughts and/or predictions?

Here are a few thoughts....

1. Most likely your kid plays for the Hawks
2. You have no life and sucked as an athlete when younger
3. Small member
4. Live through your kid
5. Pay massive amounts of money for lax so your opinion really matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

2023 A
USS Carriers
PG Lacrosse Club
Hereford (HLC)
Sidewinders
Club Blue (B)
Zingos
Lax World
Rock
G
LOONEYS
Peninsula
Thunder
Top Caliber

2023 B
Zingos (B)
Bethesda Orange
Breakers (B)
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish Neon
Koopers
HoCo
MDX
Madlax DMV
Revolution
Green Hornets
Evergreen

Are we really thinking that 91 is not going to play in the Elite division?

My guess is the "egomaniac/ known as the Madman Mark Millon will no tallow it; remember this 2023 Team is competing in the National Championship in July......yeah no agenda here.

Looks like someone couldnt make Marks team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Preseason Rankings of the Elite 2018 2023's:

1. Annapolis Hawks
2. Next Level
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. Club Blue
6. Bethesda
7. LOONEYS
8. Madlax Capitol

Thoughts and/or predictions?

Here are a few thoughts....

1. Most likely your kid plays for the Hawks
2. You have no life and sucked as an athlete when younger
3. Small member
4. Live through your kid
5. Pay massive amounts of money for lax so your opinion really matters.

LOL wow I think you just summed up everything that is wrong with club parents with one moronic post!!! You sir are a complete disgrace to post something as infantile as this.......................who is moderating this?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo 2018
2023 Elite
Bethesda Blue
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Club Blue
Madlax Capitol
LOONEYS

2023 AA
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
Breakers
3D Lacrosse
VLC
Cannons Select
South River
Lax Factory
CAVALIER

2023 A
USS Carriers
PG Lacrosse Club
Hereford (HLC)
Sidewinders
Club Blue (B)
Zingos
Lax World
Rock
G
LOONEYS
Peninsula
Thunder
Top Caliber

2023 B
Zingos (B)
Bethesda Orange
Breakers (B)
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish Neon
Koopers
HoCo
MDX
Madlax DMV
Revolution
Green Hornets
Evergreen

Are we really thinking that 91 is not going to play in the Elite division?

My guess is the "egomaniac/ known as the Madman Mark Millon will no tallow it; remember this 2023 Team is competing in the National Championship in July......yeah no agenda here.

Looks like someone couldnt make Marks team!

You don't MAKE MM Team; you walk away for your child's safety.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget to count the 2 players that came up from Texas last season... a middie and defenseman. Wonder if they are planning on bringing more kids up for the weekends?

It does make sense to travel from TX to play it HOCO AA. Even with the flight is is still an easier commute than from N.VA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget to count the 2 players that came up from Texas last season... a middie and defenseman. Wonder if they are planning on bringing more kids up for the weekends?

It does make sense to travel from TX to play it HOCO AA. Even with the flight is is still an easier commute than from N.VA.

kids flew up for HOCO? that is crazy. I can understand tournaments, but HOCO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget to count the 2 players that came up from Texas last season... a middie and defenseman. Wonder if they are planning on bringing more kids up for the weekends?

It does make sense to travel from TX to play it HOCO AA. Even with the flight is is still an easier commute than from N.VA.

kids flew up for HOCO? that is crazy. I can understand tournaments, but HOCO?

And it will be HOCO AA not Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget to count the 2 players that came up from Texas last season... a middie and defenseman. Wonder if they are planning on bringing more kids up for the weekends?

It does make sense to travel from TX to play it HOCO AA. Even with the flight is is still an easier commute than from N.VA.

kids flew up for HOCO? that is crazy. I can understand tournaments, but HOCO?

And it will be HOCO AA not Elite.

Your source?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget to count the 2 players that came up from Texas last season... a middie and defenseman. Wonder if they are planning on bringing more kids up for the weekends?

It does make sense to travel from TX to play it HOCO AA. Even with the flight is is still an easier commute than from N.VA.

kids flew up for HOCO? that is crazy. I can understand tournaments, but HOCO?

And it will be HOCO AA not Elite.

Your source?

wow, flying up to play on an "A" team competing in a "AA" bracket!

As the Spring Season is getting ready to start in the next month or so just remember you heard it hear first; LOONEY'S 2023 will be the team to beat in the 23 Elite Division. With the added players and core group that remains we are loaded to make a run at the HOCO Title. Crabs, Next Level, FCA, Club Blue and the Hawks will need to bring their best game to play with us!!!

Keep drinking...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As the Spring Season is getting ready to start in the next month or so just remember you heard it hear first; LOONEY'S 2023 will be the team to beat in the 23 Elite Division. With the added players and core group that remains we are loaded to make a run at the HOCO Title. Crabs, Next Level, FCA, Club Blue and the Hawks will need to bring their best game to play with us!!!

Since you refer to the team as "we" and "us", I guess it's safe to assume you're a 13 year old who actually plays for Looney's 23?

Looneys is RN dads and greasy moms

The core group that won 2 games in 2 years ...

Meathead coaches and punk kids displaying poor sportsmanship... they’ll lose the big games because they’ll be in the penalty box too often.

Trolls are like seagulls. You keep feeding them, they keep shi**ing on you. It’s funny really.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meathead coaches and punk kids displaying poor sportsmanship... they’ll lose the big games because they’ll be in the penalty box too often.

That and the fact that they are just not as good as NL, Hawks, Crabs, CB, Bethesda....They will win a couple if they catch a team on a bad day. Who are the other Elite's?

Who are the dark horse teams in 2023 this year?

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

People are stupid and will pay for anything if they think it's going to get little johnny that scholarship. How else do you explain the thousands of parents playing 2-3k plus all the travel for their son to play on B and C level teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

People are stupid and will pay for anything if they think it's going to get little johnny that scholarship. How else do you explain the thousands of parents playing 2-3k plus all the travel for their son to play on B and C level teams?

Well my point will be lets sit down and really look at your son and what you want and what he wants. You can pay me $50 or $100 to help you work this out. And it can save you 2-3k. But I think most parents at the end of this ride with or without a college roster spot still are happy with what they paid for and went through. I think the most important thing is a outside real opinion about your son. This can not be from a high school coach or club coach. They both have bias. If they coached you for years they can not tell you " you are not college lacrosse material" that makes them look bad. Would you pay $50 to talk about your kid to someone unbiased? I think a real answer to if your son is D1 or D2 or D3 is a huge help. I am aware this answer can not be 100% correct and each kid can change there spot at any time.

This is silly. So what if you say something different from johnny’s club. He still needs a team. So he can tryout for multiple teams and find out that he and dad had the wrong assessment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

People are stupid and will pay for anything if they think it's going to get little johnny that scholarship. How else do you explain the thousands of parents playing 2-3k plus all the travel for their son to play on B and C level teams?

Well my point will be lets sit down and really look at your son and what you want and what he wants. You can pay me $50 or $100 to help you work this out. And it can save you 2-3k. But I think most parents at the end of this ride with or without a college roster spot still are happy with what they paid for and went through. I think the most important thing is a outside real opinion about your son. This can not be from a high school coach or club coach. They both have bias. If they coached you for years they can not tell you " you are not college lacrosse material" that makes them look bad. Would you pay $50 to talk about your kid to someone unbiased? I think a real answer to if your son is D1 or D2 or D3 is a huge help. I am aware this answer can not be 100% correct and each kid can change there spot at any time.

I do not think this advise would be useful or worth any $ in 7th grade. 10 or 11th maybe but how could any outsider know by sitting down what is best for a 7th grader? You should focus on coaching the parents into not being a bunch of D-Bags who worry about this stuff. Let the kids play and only they can determine what level of college team they should strive for by getting better. Later on in life, a coach will tell them for free. Do not forget that most D1 rosters have walk on's as well who knew they could play if no one else did. In the end there will be no free rides. If you choose a small private school to play lacrosse that you might not pick otherwise you may end up paying a lot more than 2-3K. This advice was free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

People are stupid and will pay for anything if they think it's going to get little johnny that scholarship. How else do you explain the thousands of parents playing 2-3k plus all the travel for their son to play on B and C level teams?

Well my point will be lets sit down and really look at your son and what you want and what he wants. You can pay me $50 or $100 to help you work this out. And it can save you 2-3k. But I think most parents at the end of this ride with or without a college roster spot still are happy with what they paid for and went through. I think the most important thing is a outside real opinion about your son. This can not be from a high school coach or club coach. They both have bias. If they coached you for years they can not tell you " you are not college lacrosse material" that makes them look bad. Would you pay $50 to talk about your kid to someone unbiased? I think a real answer to if your son is D1 or D2 or D3 is a huge help. I am aware this answer can not be 100% correct and each kid can change there spot at any time.

I do not think this advise would be useful or worth any $ in 7th grade. 10 or 11th maybe but how could any outsider know by sitting down what is best for a 7th grader? You should focus on coaching the parents into not being a bunch of D-Bags who worry about this stuff. Let the kids play and only they can determine what level of college team they should strive for by getting better. Later on in life, a coach will tell them for free. Do not forget that most D1 rosters have walk on's as well who knew they could play if no one else did. In the end there will be no free rides. If you choose a small private school to play lacrosse that you might not pick otherwise you may end up paying a lot more than 2-3K. This advice was free.

It would be short term advice also. Like your son is a A level travel player, Your son should move to long pole or D- Middie. You should never play for the Crabs the cheat ( only a Joke). All of these choices you make about your kid in 7 to 10 grade line up and change the chances of him playing college lacrosse. I think everyone by now knows the payback for what we pay to play with all this lacrosse is not good. But I also see very clearly that the parents and kids still want to go after these college and Varsity high school spots. And would anyone on here like to have someone help you decide to send your kid to Landon, PVI or a local public school? Most of the people that come to this site have lots of lacrosse back ground and know the ends and outs. Can you say that about 45% of the parents on the sidelines of a HOCO game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

People are stupid and will pay for anything if they think it's going to get little johnny that scholarship. How else do you explain the thousands of parents playing 2-3k plus all the travel for their son to play on B and C level teams?

Well my point will be lets sit down and really look at your son and what you want and what he wants. You can pay me $50 or $100 to help you work this out. And it can save you 2-3k. But I think most parents at the end of this ride with or without a college roster spot still are happy with what they paid for and went through. I think the most important thing is a outside real opinion about your son. This can not be from a high school coach or club coach. They both have bias. If they coached you for years they can not tell you " you are not college lacrosse material" that makes them look bad. Would you pay $50 to talk about your kid to someone unbiased? I think a real answer to if your son is D1 or D2 or D3 is a huge help. I am aware this answer can not be 100% correct and each kid can change there spot at any time.

I do not think this advise would be useful or worth any $ in 7th grade. 10 or 11th maybe but how could any outsider know by sitting down what is best for a 7th grader? You should focus on coaching the parents into not being a bunch of D-Bags who worry about this stuff. Let the kids play and only they can determine what level of college team they should strive for by getting better. Later on in life, a coach will tell them for free. Do not forget that most D1 rosters have walk on's as well who knew they could play if no one else did. In the end there will be no free rides. If you choose a small private school to play lacrosse that you might not pick otherwise you may end up paying a lot more than 2-3K. This advice was free.

It would be short term advice also. Like your son is a A level travel player, Your son should move to long pole or D- Middie. You should never play for the Crabs the cheat ( only a Joke). All of these choices you make about your kid in 7 to 10 grade line up and change the chances of him playing college lacrosse. I think everyone by now knows the payback for what we pay to play with all this lacrosse is not good. But I also see very clearly that the parents and kids still want to go after these college and Varsity high school spots. And would anyone on here like to have someone help you decide to send your kid to Landon, PVI or a local public school? Most of the people that come to this site have lots of lacrosse back ground and know the ends and outs. Can you say that about 45% of the parents on the sidelines of a HOCO game?

YES!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

People are stupid and will pay for anything if they think it's going to get little johnny that scholarship. How else do you explain the thousands of parents playing 2-3k plus all the travel for their son to play on B and C level teams?

Well my point will be lets sit down and really look at your son and what you want and what he wants. You can pay me $50 or $100 to help you work this out. And it can save you 2-3k. But I think most parents at the end of this ride with or without a college roster spot still are happy with what they paid for and went through. I think the most important thing is a outside real opinion about your son. This can not be from a high school coach or club coach. They both have bias. If they coached you for years they can not tell you " you are not college lacrosse material" that makes them look bad. Would you pay $50 to talk about your kid to someone unbiased? I think a real answer to if your son is D1 or D2 or D3 is a huge help. I am aware this answer can not be 100% correct and each kid can change there spot at any time.

I do not think this advise would be useful or worth any $ in 7th grade. 10 or 11th maybe but how could any outsider know by sitting down what is best for a 7th grader? You should focus on coaching the parents into not being a bunch of D-Bags who worry about this stuff. Let the kids play and only they can determine what level of college team they should strive for by getting better. Later on in life, a coach will tell them for free. Do not forget that most D1 rosters have walk on's as well who knew they could play if no one else did. In the end there will be no free rides. If you choose a small private school to play lacrosse that you might not pick otherwise you may end up paying a lot more than 2-3K. This advice was free.

It would be short term advice also. Like your son is a A level travel player, Your son should move to long pole or D- Middie. You should never play for the Crabs the cheat ( only a Joke). All of these choices you make about your kid in 7 to 10 grade line up and change the chances of him playing college lacrosse. I think everyone by now knows the payback for what we pay to play with all this lacrosse is not good. But I also see very clearly that the parents and kids still want to go after these college and Varsity high school spots. And would anyone on here like to have someone help you decide to send your kid to Landon, PVI or a local public school? Most of the people that come to this site have lots of lacrosse back ground and know the ends and outs. Can you say that about 45% of the parents on the sidelines of a HOCO game?

Tuition at Landon is $42K with 23% getting some financial aid. I think your paycheck will help make that decision but if you can afford it I guess paying someone $50 or $100 bucks to tell you what you already know is fine. Would you not need to see the kids play in order to offer any advice? I am just not sure what you are offering but it is an interesting idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a off topic question but interested in the answers I get. 1.What would you pay for a half hour/hour sit down with a Youth sport expert to help you come up with a plan of action for your kid and his sports long term plan?
2. What would you pay to have this person check in with you and your son every 3 or 6 months for follow up advice? 3. Would you only trust this person if he or she had no affiliation with any club team or high school?

Yes I am looking at starting this kind of service. I have had 3 kids go through this travel sports crazy ride and have wished along the way I could call a stranger and ask what would you do?

People are stupid and will pay for anything if they think it's going to get little johnny that scholarship. How else do you explain the thousands of parents playing 2-3k plus all the travel for their son to play on B and C level teams?

Well my point will be lets sit down and really look at your son and what you want and what he wants. You can pay me $50 or $100 to help you work this out. And it can save you 2-3k. But I think most parents at the end of this ride with or without a college roster spot still are happy with what they paid for and went through. I think the most important thing is a outside real opinion about your son. This can not be from a high school coach or club coach. They both have bias. If they coached you for years they can not tell you " you are not college lacrosse material" that makes them look bad. Would you pay $50 to talk about your kid to someone unbiased? I think a real answer to if your son is D1 or D2 or D3 is a huge help. I am aware this answer can not be 100% correct and each kid can change there spot at any time.

I do not think this advise would be useful or worth any $ in 7th grade. 10 or 11th maybe but how could any outsider know by sitting down what is best for a 7th grader? You should focus on coaching the parents into not being a bunch of D-Bags who worry about this stuff. Let the kids play and only they can determine what level of college team they should strive for by getting better. Later on in life, a coach will tell them for free. Do not forget that most D1 rosters have walk on's as well who knew they could play if no one else did. In the end there will be no free rides. If you choose a small private school to play lacrosse that you might not pick otherwise you may end up paying a lot more than 2-3K. This advice was free.

It would be short term advice also. Like your son is a A level travel player, Your son should move to long pole or D- Middie. You should never play for the Crabs the cheat ( only a Joke). All of these choices you make about your kid in 7 to 10 grade line up and change the chances of him playing college lacrosse. I think everyone by now knows the payback for what we pay to play with all this lacrosse is not good. But I also see very clearly that the parents and kids still want to go after these college and Varsity high school spots. And would anyone on here like to have someone help you decide to send your kid to Landon, PVI or a local public school? Most of the people that come to this site have lots of lacrosse back ground and know the ends and outs. Can you say that about 45% of the parents on the sidelines of a HOCO game?

Tuition at Landon is $42K with 23% getting some financial aid. I think your paycheck will help make that decision but if you can afford it I guess paying someone $50 or $100 bucks to tell you what you already know is fine. Would you not need to see the kids play in order to offer any advice? I am just not sure what you are offering but it is an interesting idea.

I guess what I am fishing for is what kind of advice would parents of young lacrosse players need? What questions do they need help answering? I am 100% sure that all advice when it comes to a youth athlete always depends on each child's situation. If you have two players same age same skill level but ones parents can afford 42k for High school the other is low income? Or one player is a all A student and the other is a C or B student? Would your advice to them about a high school or college be different? What do we hear about D2 colleges all the time when it comes to lacrosse schools. They are not highly regarded for education. But back to the C student should he be looking at and thinking D2? The funny thing is people on here ask the questions I want to answer all the time. But the problem is without meeting and watching the kid and family all advice is way to [ChillLaxin]. Also I think lacrosse is one of the highest rates of parents with no or very little real Athletic History. I meet parents who tell me "we where in the band I have no idea what its like out there." And you also have at least half the kids are from divorced parents. What if dad is not around?

The reality is that the coaches for the clubs should actually be providing that info. It's a shame if they don't already, however I think the good ones do that in addition to providing HS advice based on ability and talent.

I like your idea for people who don't know the game in addition to the club/high school scene. There's more than likely a market for it, but personally I think the club coaches should be providing that type of info.

Unfortunately in most cases, they're not because it's a conflict of interest. The last thing club coaches want to do is to recommend that one of their really good players should seek a higher level of club competition elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The core group that won 2 games in 2 years ...

Beat the heck out of FCA and NL in the summer tournaments and that will happen again!! Trust me when I say this team has improved more than any other team at the 2023 level and THEY will run the table in the HOCO!!

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

There are really seven top teams at this group:

Next Level, Hawks, Crabs, Club Blue, Bethesda, Looney's, Next Level that on any given Sunday.... Not as sure about Looney's but some on this board are claiming they added so they belong in this group. I do not believe any of these teams have room or tryout's and already are set for the Spring. Most have tryout's in August. If your son wants a challenge, why not just play on the best 2024 team you can find?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Simple answer is none of the teams are holding tryouts for summer season. Tryouts are in August.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

I think I forgot FCA my son play's NL and they compete with these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

He's bigger and more skilled than most 22s. Madlax 23s are a mess and owner doesn't let you play up. So looking for a better alternative. Thanks for the list above. Maybe some of them are interested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

He's bigger and more skilled than most 22s. Madlax 23s are a mess and owner doesn't let you play up. So looking for a better alternative. Thanks for the list above. Maybe some of them are interested.

Try Crabs. They will take on new kids if they are better than what they have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

He's bigger and more skilled than most 22s. Madlax 23s are a mess and owner doesn't let you play up. So looking for a better alternative. Thanks for the list above. Maybe some of them are interested.

Try Crabs. They will take on new kids if they are better than what they have.

I see that last year's standings went: Crabs, CB, NL, FCA, BLC, Hawks, Looneys. How are Crabs 2023 looking this year? Didn't a bunch of kids leave last Fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

He's bigger and more skilled than most 22s. Madlax 23s are a mess and owner doesn't let you play up. So looking for a better alternative. Thanks for the list above. Maybe some of them are interested.

Try Crabs. They will take on new kids if they are better than what they have.

I see that last year's standings went: Crabs, CB, NL, FCA, BLC, Hawks, Looneys. How are Crabs 2023 looking this year? Didn't a bunch of kids leave last Fall?

Yup Crabs is the way to go... They will get you on a roster and will never play your kid... As the season progresses they will bring in other players on your dime and those kids will play in Summer tournaments instead of your kid... Great Club... Parents are always super happy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

He's bigger and more skilled than most 22s. Madlax 23s are a mess and owner doesn't let you play up. So looking for a better alternative. Thanks for the list above. Maybe some of them are interested.

Try Crabs. They will take on new kids if they are better than what they have.

I see that last year's standings went: Crabs, CB, NL, FCA, BLC, Hawks, Looneys. How are Crabs 2023 looking this year? Didn't a bunch of kids leave last Fall?

Yup Crabs is the way to go... They will get you on a roster and will never play your kid... As the season progresses they will bring in other players on your dime and those kids will play in Summer tournaments instead of your kid... Great Club... Parents are always super happy

Make sure you kid is better then any kid they could bring in! The great players on this team love when coach brings in a better kid then your kid. They do not have to think should I pass to this bum or not?

Make sure you kid is better then any kid they could bring in! The great players on this team love when coach brings in a better kid then your kid. They do not have to think should I pass to this bum or not?
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Soon games will start and the complaining can take second stage. Thoughts on the Next Level event on 3/11? Who will be a surprise team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Make sure you kid is better then any kid they could bring in! The great players on this team love when coach brings in a better kid then your kid. They do not have to think should I pass to this bum or not?

Soon games will start and the complaining can take second stage. Thoughts on the Next Level event on 3/11? Who will be a surprise team?[/quote]

what makes you think complaining will ebb when games start?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Make sure you kid is better then any kid they could bring in! The great players on this team love when coach brings in a better kid then your kid. They do not have to think should I pass to this bum or not?

Soon games will start and the complaining can take second stage. Thoughts on the Next Level event on 3/11? Who will be a surprise team?

what makes you think complaining will ebb when games start?[/quote]
Complaining will not ebb at all, I am a realist I was just suggesting that there will also be posts about games and how teams are playing in between the holdback excuses and rants about horrible coaches. There will also be some posts about actual lacrosse....maybe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

He's bigger and more skilled than most 22s. Madlax 23s are a mess and owner doesn't let you play up. So looking for a better alternative. Thanks for the list above. Maybe some of them are interested.

True. Madlax already has two 2023 kids bolting for other clubs. The boat is leaving the dock and it's a race to not be among the last Madlax who haven't found a home elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 2024. So I don't follow 2023 very closely. But my kid wants to play 2023 this summer to get more of a challenge. Who are the top 5 2023 teams in HoCo this Spring? And of those teams, which ones are holding tryouts for the summer season? Thanks for the help.

Not many clubs hold separate tryouts for the summer. Maybe Madlax does, but most teams set their squads in August and that takes them through the fall, winter, spring and summer. If he's a stud, someone might add him, but he'd have to be a real stud, not just good for the 2024s.

He's bigger and more skilled than most 22s. Madlax 23s are a mess and owner doesn't let you play up. So looking for a better alternative. Thanks for the list above. Maybe some of them are interested.

True. Madlax already has two 2023 kids bolting for other clubs. The boat is leaving the dock and it's a race to not be among the last Madlax who haven't found a home elsewhere.

Check out Cavalier 2023 the only nationally ranked team in NVA

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

Very Good point and thank you for the link! Any idea when the HOCO schedule will be posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

Very Good point and thank you for the link! Any idea when the HOCO schedule will be posted?

Usually a few days before the season starts

I will never understand why people think they know better then everyone else. There are top clubs and they have been tops for 10 to 15 years or more. Why would you risk having your son playing on a "grass is greener on this side club" Please take the time to pick a top club, look up the summer high school schedule. Compare the other clubs that play in these high school level tournaments. I can promise you its the clubs that have been at the top for 15 years. These tournaments are where the money is made, the D1 spots are found. Keep falling for the clubs with no pull and shinny new uniforms all you want, but you will be wrong 9 out of 10 times.

Madlax playing 2023 A bracket this weekend, thought they were an Elite team. how the mighty has fallen

Last year the HoCo schedule was posted on the 16th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax playing 2023 A bracket this weekend, thought they were an Elite team. how the mighty has fallen

Yep, Madlax's 2024 team could beat its 2023 team. It is a shame because Madlax 2023 has had lots of talent over the years but the team was neglected and grass was greener elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

No crying about VLC. They beat Madlax and Team 91 in the fall and lost to Bethesda by only 2. Shocking to see Madlax in the A bracket. Beginning of the end for that club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax playing 2023 A bracket this weekend, thought they were an Elite team. how the mighty has fallen

Yep, Madlax's 2024 team could beat its 2023 team. It is a shame because Madlax 2023 has had lots of talent over the years but the team was neglected and grass was greener elsewhere.

Can we all please save this post. Print it out. Screen cap it. So in three years when Madlax 2023 is beating most of these teams and they have 6 D1 kids I can look back and laugh at your silly post.

Also please describe your use of the word neglected? I would guess the dad who talked bad about every little thing all year long and talked people into leaving to the greener grass club had way more to do with this team being bad then any real neglect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

No crying about VLC. They beat Madlax and Team 91 in the fall and lost to Bethesda by only 2. Shocking to see Madlax in the A bracket. Beginning of the end for that club?

Beating Madlax and Team 91MD and losing to Lax Factory and Bethesda by 2 is not an argument for being considered a AA team... your comment about Madlax above proves that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax playing 2023 A bracket this weekend, thought they were an Elite team. how the mighty has fallen

Yep, Madlax's 2024 team could beat its 2023 team. It is a shame because Madlax 2023 has had lots of talent over the years but the team was neglected and grass was greener elsewhere.

Can we all please save this post. Print it out. Screen cap it. So in three years when Madlax 2023 is beating most of these teams and they have 6 D1 kids I can look back and laugh at your silly post.

Also please describe your use of the word neglected? I would guess the dad who talked bad about every little thing all year long and talked people into leaving to the greener grass club had way more to do with this team being bad then any real neglect.

What you should do is print out this post and tape it to your forehead and stand on the sidelines at Bullis this weekend so we can all know who the D-Bag is behind these stunad posts.

Can the RN Madlax do the same? That would be entertaining. I'm guessing he has a "Madlax for life" t-shirt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can the RN Madlax do the same? That would be entertaining. I'm guessing he has a "Madlax for life" t-shirt.

LOL that would be funny but Madlax is not even in the AA Div they are in the A Div so they will not be at Bullis Sunday.

How are the Cavs? Same players as last year or did they make roster improvements? Any news on which teams were selected for GHCLC's top divisions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

Tourney Machine is not updating scores; does anyone have some updates on the 2023s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

Tourney Machine is not updating scores; does anyone have some updates on the 2023s?

I think they all ended 0 to 0 tie great day for goalies

Games are tomorrow... Sunday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the crying about whether VLC and Cavalier belong in the discussion of AA teams is going to end this weekend.

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180301165053105bb76e2f7de4c45

Tourney Machine is not updating scores; does anyone have some updates on the 2023s?

You are a friggin stunad. Probably a Cavs dad.

Next Level 8 BLC 5
Next Level 10 Primetime 2
Club Blue 13 Cav 4
Club Blue 13 VLC 4

Hawks scores?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks scores?

Only saw them play the LI Express game. They handled them pretty easily. Looked good in doing so.

The men did well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

. Ok. I guess it was a long drive back to long island. Hawks played well. faceoffs especially.

Originally Posted by abc123

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

. Ok. I guess it was a long drive back to long island. Hawks played well. faceoffs especially.

Must be another holdback because that was a definite weakness in the Fall.

Cavalier vs VLC? How did they hold up in the AA bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks scores?

Only saw them play the LI Express game. They handled them pretty easily. Looked good in doing so.

How did Crabs 2023 look at this same tournament?

Yes. That must be the answer. Because only hold backs can beat Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by abc123

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

. Ok. I guess it was a long drive back to long island. Hawks played well. faceoffs especially.

Must be another holdback because that was a definite weakness in the Fall.

Clearly. Because only goldbacks can eat Long Island

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

I am assuming you are a Hawks parent; do you have any insight into the other teams that played in this tournament over the weekend? I am curious to see how that Crabs 2023 team rebounds this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier vs VLC? How did they hold up in the AA bracket?

Blown out of the water. Only win occurred when they played each other. Neither belongs on the same field as Elite teams.

VLC losing to Cavs. Ha ha ha. But wait, VLC did so well against undermanned teams in the fall when they had all their players every game. I thought that mattered.

But, but Cavs is ranked #16 in the country and went 1-2. How can that be? ROFL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier vs VLC? How did they hold up in the AA bracket?

Blown out of the water. Only win occurred when they played each other. Neither belongs on the same field as Elite teams.

VLC losing to Cavs. Ha ha ha. But wait, VLC did so well against undermanned teams in the fall when they had all their players every game. I thought that mattered.

But, but Cavs is ranked #16 in the country and went 1-2. How can that be? ROFL

So what this post tells me is that NOVA at the 2023 age is really bad? The Madlax 2023 team is also really bad I hear. So be smart parents of the best kids on all three of these NOVA teams and pick one of the three teams I would say VLC or Madlax and all go play for them. Cavs play crap tournaments. You have time to help your sons get on a good travel team before the scouts start coming to watch. Hit the panic button and start making calls and making a plan to get the best players all on one 2023 team.

How did BLC Blue do in their games? Saw posted above they lost to Next Level, but how about other games?

LOL. What was the score of the Cavs vs VLC game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

I am assuming you are a Hawks parent; do you have any insight into the other teams that played in this tournament over the weekend? I am curious to see how that Crabs 2023 team rebounds this year.

LI Express handled Crabs 2023 pretty easily. So if Hawks blew out LI Express that isn't a good sign for Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. What was the score of the Cavs vs VLC game?

It was a one goal game 6 to 5 i think

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

I am assuming you are a Hawks parent; do you have any insight into the other teams that played in this tournament over the weekend? I am curious to see how that Crabs 2023 team rebounds this year.

LI Express handled Crabs 2023 pretty easily. So if Hawks blew out LI Express that isn't a good sign for Crabs.

That's not how it works. Score spreads dont mean much. The Crabs looked pretty good - just not as good as they have been. I have heard that a few of their 23s are playing 2022. I saw the Hawks play twice. They have found a faceoff who did a nice job. Their main guys are all the same and they look to be getting better.

What is interesting about this conversation is that long islanders seem to believe that the only way a team beats them is if that team cheats the system. Maybe the other team Was just better than you. At least for one day. Admitting that seems really really hard. Hawks is made up mostly of Anne Arundel County players and a few from over the bridge. Mostly public school kids with a few local private school kids sprinkled in. On age. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

I am assuming you are a Hawks parent; do you have any insight into the other teams that played in this tournament over the weekend? I am curious to see how that Crabs 2023 team rebounds this year.

LI Express handled Crabs 2023 pretty easily. So if Hawks blew out LI Express that isn't a good sign for Crabs.

That's not how it works. Score spreads dont mean much. The Crabs looked pretty good - just not as good as they have been. I have heard that a few of their 23s are playing 2022. I saw the Hawks play twice. They have found a faceoff who did a nice job. Their main guys are all the same and they look to be getting better.

If the Hawks solidified themselves at the FO then they are without question the team to beat this Spring in HOCO; that was their biggest weakness without question but they were able to overcome that over the summer with very good all around play. Crabs also has a good FO kid as does Next Level and FCA. Should be a fun year at the 2023 level; very competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is interesting about this conversation is that long islanders seem to believe that the only way a team beats them is if that team cheats the system. Maybe the other team Was just better than you. At least for one day. Admitting that seems really really hard. Hawks is made up mostly of Anne Arundel County players and a few from over the bridge. Mostly public school kids with a few local private school kids sprinkled in. On age. Sorry.

No Club Team out there is on age so please don't kid yourself by saying so. Hawks are the team to beat is appears even with holdbacks but do not count out Crabs; they will find a way even if it means bringing back 24 form the 2022 team!!

#16 in the country! 1-2 at Bullis.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Hoo hoo hoo.

Post it again on Facebook, please. I could use another good laugh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#16 in the country! 1-2 at Bullis.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Hoo hoo hoo.

Post it again on Facebook, please. I could use another good laugh.

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Everybody knows that Cavalier isn't Elite, nor is VLC. Cut them some slack.

Who else did they play?

Hawks and Crabs parents crack me up. I rarely post on here but get amusement from crazy parent posts. You guys really need to take a break from your selves and your kids.. Wins and losses means nothing at this age. Elite status also means nothing.. Find a great coach that is organized and works well with kids.. As long as your kid is developing in the sport, that's all that matters... High school is right around the corner and no one at your High School cares about your 7th grade victories and losses.

Club Blue 2023 MD and NOVA does Club Blue field two teams at this age group? On website this club only has 3 teams listed? Can someone fill in a outsider about this club and its current status?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

Yep. We(Hawks) have a few new kids this season who I don't know their ages. None are difference makers. I believe there are only 2 kids who are old for their grade and 1 of them is NOT our best attackmen who everyone thinks is a holdback. Sorry, he isn't. We even have a kid, who is 2024 age playing 2023 because he started school early or skipped a grade, I can't remember the story. 70% of this team started u9 together and are still together.

Sorry

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier vs VLC? How did they hold up in the AA bracket?

Blown out of the water. Only win occurred when they played each other. Neither belongs on the same field as Elite teams.

VLC losing to Cavs. Ha ha ha. But wait, VLC did so well against undermanned teams in the fall when they had all their players every game. I thought that mattered.

But, but Cavs is ranked #16 in the country and went 1-2. How can that be? ROFL

So what this post tells me is that NOVA at the 2023 age is really bad? The Madlax 2023 team is also really bad I hear. So be smart parents of the best kids on all three of these NOVA teams and pick one of the three teams I would say VLC or Madlax and all go play for them. Cavs play crap tournaments. You have time to help your sons get on a good travel team before the scouts start coming to watch. Hit the panic button and start making calls and making a plan to get the best players all on one 2023 team.

What your response tells me is that you are a Madlax parent or employee trying to draw more kids to a weaker team at this age. The reality is that (1) 7th grade is not the end of lacrosse and HS will be a completely different story. Panic is a strange word to use for youth lacrosse. (2) Many of the top players in NOVA play for MD teams already. Club Blue, Crabs, DCE (next year) and Next Level have kids in who drive an extra 10-15 minutes over the bridge some even attend school there. In fact one of the best kids ever to play from NOVA was announcing a game this weekend on ESPN and he played at Landon. Madlax should try harder to coach up the kids they have. They are paying enough money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

Yep. We(Hawks) have a few new kids this season who I don't know their ages. None are difference makers. I believe there are only 2 kids who are old for their grade and 1 of them is NOT our best attackmen who everyone thinks is a holdback. Sorry, he isn't. We even have a kid, who is 2024 age playing 2023 because he started school early or skipped a grade, I can't remember the story. 70% of this team started u9 together and are still together.

Sorry

Not a holdback? Maybe he started school a few years late. 6 in one - half dozen in the other.

True! 7th grade isn’t a factor. However in order to get better you need to be able to compete against strong teams and players. Some people are Ok with playing Fresh/Soph when they start High School. These are the kids who are in it for fun and that is fine for some kids. There very competitive players who want to compete against better teams. Those are your JV and Varsity players. Don’t kid yourself that playing for fun will lead your son to a competetive High School team where he will play. That is not the mentality. It should be fun always but you have to want the competition. It is not something that is a learned trait. You either have it or you don’t. There should not be any judgment either way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

Yep. We(Hawks) have a few new kids this season who I don't know their ages. None are difference makers. I believe there are only 2 kids who are old for their grade and 1 of them is NOT our best attackmen who everyone thinks is a holdback. Sorry, he isn't. We even have a kid, who is 2024 age playing 2023 because he started school early or skipped a grade, I can't remember the story. 70% of this team started u9 together and are still together.

Sorry

Not a holdback? Maybe he started school a few years late. 6 in one - half dozen in the other.

He is one of the youngest kids on the team. Check the sidelines - his dad is probably 6'5". Hawks team rarely changes, and any kids (not the one you referenced) that you might consider a hold-back on the 2023 has a summer birthday - not a whole year older. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The men did well

Could not be a more accurate statement; next to Crabs the most blatant disregard for playing holdbacks. Again the mighty dollar prevails!!!

That's ridiculous. The Hawks are an outstanding team with great kids. Maybe a holdback or two (like every team out there) but over 95% on age. We love the hate.

Yep. We(Hawks) have a few new kids this season who I don't know their ages. None are difference makers. I believe there are only 2 kids who are old for their grade and 1 of them is NOT our best attackmen who everyone thinks is a holdback. Sorry, he isn't. We even have a kid, who is 2024 age playing 2023 because he started school early or skipped a grade, I can't remember the story. 70% of this team started u9 together and are still together.

Sorry

Not a holdback? Maybe he started school a few years late. 6 in one - half dozen in the other.

Sorry again, but nope. He is just bigger and better than yours, and mine, and most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True! 7th grade isn’t a factor. However in order to get better you need to be able to compete against strong teams and players. Some people are Ok with playing Fresh/Soph when they start High School. These are the kids who are in it for fun and that is fine for some kids. There very competitive players who want to compete against better teams. Those are your JV and Varsity players. Don’t kid yourself that playing for fun will lead your son to a competetive High School team where he will play. That is not the mentality. It should be fun always but you have to want the competition. It is not something that is a learned trait. You either have it or you don’t. There should not be any judgment either way!

Wow, it must really kill you Mr. Madlax or CM that Madlax is the third best team based in Northern Virginia at this age. While you are losing kids Cav's picked up two great players from another team this winter. Cav's played top competition and while our boys may not be up to par with the top Elite teams, how does playing games within 5 goals of NL not help them get better? They may not win but the kids are getting better and v. top teams. As time goes on they will also win. Great programs attract players and Cav's are the place to be in NOVA right now.

Madlax Nice schedule this weekend. Avoiding hawks and NL. Played A last weekend. Keep trying to hide lax factory cav vlc southriver waiting for you in HOCO 3-3 if your lucky.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Nice schedule this weekend. Avoiding hawks and NL. Played A last weekend. Keep trying to hide lax factory cav vlc southriver waiting for you in HOCO 3-3 if your lucky.

Where are Hawks and NL this weekend? I heard something about a Springboard Play Day this weekend in Annapolis.

Is it hawks A or B at home wood havoc this weekend

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180215174550420a1850722b7e944

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180215174550420a1850722b7e944

Hawks is also registered for homewood havoc doesn't say which team

Wow. Next Level/DC Express' tournament has destroyed Madlax's spring tournament. More evidence that Madlax is declining.

anyone know when schedule is coming out? season starts in 9 days. It's like back in MYLA days

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it hawks A or B at home wood havoc this weekend

They don't have a 2023 B team this year.

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

I am not familiar with the three teams you mentioned Looney's will be playing; is this AA ball? I am anxious to see how Looney's does this year; seems to be a lot of buzz around this team!!

seriously...
club blue 5-1
NL 5-1
hawks 4-2
crabs 1-2
blc 2-4
looneys 2-4
fca 1-5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

I am not familiar with the three teams you mentioned Looney's will be playing; is this AA ball? I am anxious to see how Looney's does this year; seems to be a lot of buzz around this team!!

You should probably come out of the Maryland lacrosse rock you have been hiding under... Some of the best programs in Philly and surrounding areas

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

Really... Stop trolling this club.. Everyone on this team and other teams respect their opponents and realizes how tough this spring league will be for every team....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

Really... Stop trolling this club.. Everyone on this team and other teams respect their opponents and realizes how tough this spring league will be for every team....

I am not sure how this is “Trolling”? I have a son on the team and I like the way they look; sorry for the positive posts I guess only negative posts are accepted here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

Really... Stop trolling this club.. Everyone on this team and other teams respect their opponents and realizes how tough this spring league will be for every team....

I am not sure how this is “Trolling”? I have a son on the team and I like the way they look; sorry for the positive posts I guess only negative posts are accepted here.

Your not a parent of that team and if you are... Shut it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seriously...
club blue 5-1
NL 5-1
hawks 4-2
crabs 1-2
blc 2-4
looneys 2-4
fca 1-5

guessing your son on CB? You predicting Crabs only get to play 3 games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

Really... Stop trolling this club.. Everyone on this team and other teams respect their opponents and realizes how tough this spring league will be for every team....

I am not sure how this is “Trolling”? I have a son on the team and I like the way they look; sorry for the positive posts I guess only negative posts are accepted here.

Your not a parent of that team and if you are... Shut it

You need to relax and have some fun my friend; it's 7th grade lacrosse unless your crabs/Hawks then it's 7, 8 and 9th grade lacrosse! I am proud of this team and where they have come so you will definitely hear me on the sidelines this year for sure!! Looney's will surprise a lot of team this year!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seriously...
club blue 5-1
NL 5-1
hawks 4-2
crabs 1-2
blc 2-4
looneys 2-4
fca 1-5

Now this is hilarious!! Club Blue loses to Team 91 in the Fall and they are going 5-1 against these teams?? Boy are you delusional!

Hawks 6-0 or 5-1
NL - 5-1
FCA - 4-2
Club Blue 3-3
Crabs - 3-3
BLC - 2-4
Looney's 1-5
Madlax 0-6 (or whoever is the 8th team)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know when schedule is coming out? season starts in 9 days. It's like back in MYLA days

My guess is tomorrow or Saturday the HOCO schedule will be out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

I am not familiar with the three teams you mentioned Looney's will be playing; is this AA ball? I am anxious to see how Looney's does this year; seems to be a lot of buzz around this team!!

You should probably come out of the Maryland lacrosse rock you have been hiding under... Some of the best programs in Philly and surrounding areas

Surely not at the 2023 level......................average at best.

sorry, crabs 4-2 didn't have my third cup of coffee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seriously...
club blue 5-1
NL 5-1
hawks 4-2
crabs 1-2
blc 2-4
looneys 2-4
fca 1-5

These projections could easily be flipped. All these teams are excellent. Tough games each week. I predict a lot of OT games and no blowouts as in years past. Should be fun to watch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seriously...
club blue 5-1
NL 5-1
hawks 4-2
crabs 1-2
blc 2-4
looneys 2-4
fca 1-5

These projections could easily be flipped. All these teams are excellent. Tough games each week. I predict a lot of OT games and no blowouts as in years past. Should be fun to watch

Completely agree with this post!! I think whoever the 8th team ends up being; if they go that way, will struggle mightily against each of these 7 teams......so who is it going to be; Madlax, Team 91, VLC, South River, the CAVS or other?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180215174550420a1850722b7e944

Looks like the vaunted Hawks for 2023 had second thoughts.

club blue hold back cheaters play football in the fall...

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seriously...
club blue 5-1
NL 5-1
hawks 4-2
crabs 1-2
blc 2-4
looneys 2-4
fca 1-5

Now this is hilarious!! Club Blue loses to Team 91 in the Fall and they are going 5-1 against these teams?? Boy are you delusional!

Hawks 6-0 or 5-1
NL - 5-1
FCA - 4-2
Club Blue 3-3
Crabs - 3-3
BLC - 2-4
Looney's 1-5
Madlax 0-6 (or whoever is the 8th team)

That would be team 91

Hawks have been scheduled for blandair park in Maryland since February. FYI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180215174550420a1850722b7e944

Looks like the vaunted Hawks for 2023 had second thoughts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

7 very good teams and 91. How was this team decided to be the one to play in the Elite Division? 0-6 for the second straight year; at this point I feel sorry for the kids and parents on this team. Hey Mark; remind us again what these boys will be learning getting hammered each week? How about putting your ego aside and let this team play AA or A and have some fun and grow as a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been scheduled for blandair park in Maryland since February. FYI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180215174550420a1850722b7e944

Looks like the vaunted Hawks for 2023 had second thoughts.

I believe they're playing in homewood havoc

Looking at the AA 2023 Division you have the following teams:

VLC
Madlax
3D Mid Atlantic
Pininsula
Cavalier
Cannons
FCA White
South River
API
Lax Factory

Out of those teams VLC was probably the better option over 91 but none of these teams would win a game in the Elite Division. I agree with the earlier post about 91 playing in AA and growing the program for success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been scheduled for blandair park in Maryland since February. FYI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180215174550420a1850722b7e944

Looks like the vaunted Hawks for 2023 had second thoughts.

I believe they're playing in homewood havoc

Is there a schedule out or a tourney machine link? I could not find any details.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the AA 2023 Division you have the following teams:

VLC
Madlax
3D Mid Atlantic
Pininsula
Cavalier
Cannons
FCA White
South River
API
Lax Factory

Out of those teams VLC was probably the better option over 91 but none of these teams would win a game in the Elite Division. I agree with the earlier post about 91 playing in AA and growing the program for success.

What this Division tells me as a NOVA guy is the NOVA teams are eating themselves. I count 4 NOVA teams in the same Div. And I count 0 NOVA teams in the Elite Div. So my question is. Are there no Elite players on these 4 teams or are the Elite players spread out evenly over these 4 teams. Someone has to be the adult in the room and find a way to put the Elite players on one team in NOVA I really do not care how or which team. But these NOVA kids are in 7th grade its about to get real in 2 years or 3 on the high side. If this stays this spread out over the next 3 to 5 years this class will have the least top D1 commits in NOVA history.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the AA 2023 Division you have the following teams:

VLC
Madlax
3D Mid Atlantic
Pininsula
Cavalier
Cannons
FCA White
South River
API
Lax Factory

Out of those teams VLC was probably the better option over 91 but none of these teams would win a game in the Elite Division. I agree with the earlier post about 91 playing in AA and growing the program for success.

VLC will not even win this division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the AA 2023 Division you have the following teams:

VLC
Madlax
3D Mid Atlantic
Pininsula
Cavalier
Cannons
FCA White
South River
API
Lax Factory

Out of those teams VLC was probably the better option over 91 but none of these teams would win a game in the Elite Division. I agree with the earlier post about 91 playing in AA and growing the program for success.

What this Division tells me as a NOVA guy is the NOVA teams are eating themselves. I count 4 NOVA teams in the same Div. And I count 0 NOVA teams in the Elite Div. So my question is. Are there no Elite players on these 4 teams or are the Elite players spread out evenly over these 4 teams. Someone has to be the adult in the room and find a way to put the Elite players on one team in NOVA I really do not care how or which team. But these NOVA kids are in 7th grade its about to get real in 2 years or 3 on the high side. If this stays this spread out over the next 3 to 5 years this class will have the least top D1 commits in NOVA history.

Madlax guy please give it a rest! At least admit you are trying to get Madlax more players and using this D1 carrot to get parents to pay more for the same level of play. Long before there was a HOCO league and an Elite Division players still made it to D1 programs from NOVA. Some top NOVA players are on Elite teams already. They just drive a little further. The ones from deeper in Fairfax and Loudoun are just fine. Elite players go to D1 schools because they are elite players not because they play for Elite teams. In HS the 7th and 8th grade HOCO result will not matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the AA 2023 Division you have the following teams:

VLC
Madlax
3D Mid Atlantic
Pininsula
Cavalier
Cannons
FCA White
South River
API
Lax Factory

Out of those teams VLC was probably the better option over 91 but none of these teams would win a game in the Elite Division. I agree with the earlier post about 91 playing in AA and growing the program for success.

What this Division tells me as a NOVA guy is the NOVA teams are eating themselves. I count 4 NOVA teams in the same Div. And I count 0 NOVA teams in the Elite Div. So my question is. Are there no Elite players on these 4 teams or are the Elite players spread out evenly over these 4 teams. Someone has to be the adult in the room and find a way to put the Elite players on one team in NOVA I really do not care how or which team. But these NOVA kids are in 7th grade its about to get real in 2 years or 3 on the high side. If this stays this spread out over the next 3 to 5 years this class will have the least top D1 commits in NOVA history.

Madlax guy please give it a rest! At least admit you are trying to get Madlax more players and using this D1 carrot to get parents to pay more for the same level of play. Long before there was a HOCO league and an Elite Division players still made it to D1 programs from NOVA. Some top NOVA players are on Elite teams already. They just drive a little further. The ones from deeper in Fairfax and Loudoun are just fine. Elite players go to D1 schools because they are elite players not because they play for Elite teams. In HS the 7th and 8th grade HOCO result will not matter.

So you made my point thank you very much. You said the elite players drive to play for a elite team! My kid is way past 7th grade i really do not care about 2023 like that. But I do like NOVA lacrosse getting the respect they deserve. It is true I hate the grass is greener side of travel sports. People thinking this new hot team is the way to go. The only person you gets hurt is the single mom who gets bad advice for her son from one of you this new hot team is the place to be guys. There is a place for each of these teams in NOVA but just check your little egos and let the established programs have the top talent and stop spreading it out all over NOVA so we are all stuck with a bunch of avg teams. You can not think its a good thing to have 4 avg teams and not 1 team in each level of HOCO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the AA 2023 Division you have the following teams:

VLC
Madlax
3D Mid Atlantic
Pininsula
Cavalier
Cannons
FCA White
South River
API
Lax Factory

Out of those teams VLC was probably the better option over 91 but none of these teams would win a game in the Elite Division. I agree with the earlier post about 91 playing in AA and growing the program for success.

What this Division tells me as a NOVA guy is the NOVA teams are eating themselves. I count 4 NOVA teams in the same Div. And I count 0 NOVA teams in the Elite Div. So my question is. Are there no Elite players on these 4 teams or are the Elite players spread out evenly over these 4 teams. Someone has to be the adult in the room and find a way to put the Elite players on one team in NOVA I really do not care how or which team. But these NOVA kids are in 7th grade its about to get real in 2 years or 3 on the high side. If this stays this spread out over the next 3 to 5 years this class will have the least top D1 commits in NOVA history.

Madlax guy please give it a rest! At least admit you are trying to get Madlax more players and using this D1 carrot to get parents to pay more for the same level of play. Long before there was a HOCO league and an Elite Division players still made it to D1 programs from NOVA. Some top NOVA players are on Elite teams already. They just drive a little further. The ones from deeper in Fairfax and Loudoun are just fine. Elite players go to D1 schools because they are elite players not because they play for Elite teams. In HS the 7th and 8th grade HOCO result will not matter.

So you made my point thank you very much. You said the elite players drive to play for a elite team! My kid is way past 7th grade i really do not care about 2023 like that. But I do like NOVA lacrosse getting the respect they deserve. It is true I hate the grass is greener side of travel sports. People thinking this new hot team is the way to go. The only person you gets hurt is the single mom who gets bad advice for her son from one of you this new hot team is the place to be guys. There is a place for each of these teams in NOVA but just check your little egos and let the established programs have the top talent and stop spreading it out all over NOVA so we are all stuck with a bunch of avg teams. You can not think its a good thing to have 4 avg teams and not 1 team in each level of HOCO?

So you do not care about the 2023 division yet you follow this board and view the HOCO schedule the day it is posted??? HMMMM My comment was that some NOVA players choose to play for CB and NL but they live in Arlington or McLean which is no big deal. If a kids wants to play there it is an easy drive. I do not think Loudoun kids will travel that far. However, why do you care about which teams kids play for? The history of NOVA lacrosse which you clearly do not understand will not be impacted if there is not a team in the HOCO elite division. These kids will actually make other kids better by playing for more teams. This will increase the overall talent pool. Many people played in Northern Virginia and went on to play for top D1 teams long before there was a MADLAX. You should just post here a Madlax ad because what you are really trying to do is get people to read a post and think maybe I should come back to Madlax. Why else would you care about this age group. I would suggest you just work harder to coach the kids you have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Boys playing in PA this week!

Looneys vs HHH, BBL and Mesa Futures. Looneys owns HOCO this year; watch out Hawks

I am not familiar with the three teams you mentioned Looney's will be playing; is this AA ball? I am anxious to see how Looney's does this year; seems to be a lot of buzz around this team!!

They are all solid teams, but not Elite.

Team91MD was registered and listed as a AA team but with Maddux-lax dropped down a division forcing 91 back up. Now that Rough Riders has folded, 91 was the logical but unexpected victim of the change.
I am sure the organization was not pleased by the decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been scheduled for blandair park in Maryland since February. FYI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://www.tourneymachine.com/Publi...ivision=h20180215174550420a1850722b7e944

Looks like the vaunted Hawks for 2023 had second thoughts.

I believe they're playing in homewood havoc

Is there a schedule out or a tourney machine link? I could not find any details.

Sunday the 18th at Blandair Park.
2023 Division
---------------------------------
9:30 Hawks vs. Big5 (Field #1)
9:30 Sweetlax vs. Rock (Field #2)
11:30 Hawks vs. Sweetlax (Field #1)
11:30 Big5 vs. Rock (Field #2)
1:30 Hawks vs. Rock (Field #1)
1:30 Sweetlax vs. Big5 (Field #2)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

7 very good teams and 91. How was this team decided to be the one to play in the Elite Division? 0-6 for the second straight year; at this point I feel sorry for the kids and parents on this team. Hey Mark; remind us again what these boys will be learning getting hammered each week? How about putting your ego aside and let this team play AA or A and have some fun and grow as a team?

Sorry your son got cut from the team. Hit the wall and try again next year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

7 very good teams and 91. How was this team decided to be the one to play in the Elite Division? 0-6 for the second straight year; at this point I feel sorry for the kids and parents on this team. Hey Mark; remind us again what these boys will be learning getting hammered each week? How about putting your ego aside and let this team play AA or A and have some fun and grow as a team?

Sorry your son got cut from the team. Hit the wall and try again next year!

Hey MM I think the post came from a parent on the current 2023 team but how would you know that since you’ve never met the parents or seen the kids play!

VLC lost to Lax Factory and Cavs and they were the best choice to go to AAA???? The stupidity of the guy who wrote that knows no bounds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC lost to Lax Factory and Cavs and they were the best choice to go to AAA???? The stupidity of the guy who wrote that knows no bounds.

I think his point was that VLC beat up on 91 and they would have been the better choice even though both will get destroyed in the elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

7 very good teams and 91. How was this team decided to be the one to play in the Elite Division? 0-6 for the second straight year; at this point I feel sorry for the kids and parents on this team. Hey Mark; remind us again what these boys will be learning getting hammered each week? How about putting your ego aside and let this team play AA or A and have some fun and grow as a team?

Sorry your son got cut from the team. Hit the wall and try again next year!

I am not sure if anyone was cut from this team rather than walked away. Isn’t this the same club that had to have additional tryouts because invites to come were turn down? Including by one of their newly appointed coaches who went back to crabs? Yeah the writing was on the wall back in the Fall of last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

7 very good teams and 91. How was this team decided to be the one to play in the Elite Division? 0-6 for the second straight year; at this point I feel sorry for the kids and parents on this team. Hey Mark; remind us again what these boys will be learning getting hammered each week? How about putting your ego aside and let this team play AA or A and have some fun and grow as a team?

Sorry your son got cut from the team. Hit the wall and try again next year!

I am not sure if anyone was cut from this team rather than walked away. Isn’t this the same club that had to have additional tryouts because invites to come were turn down? Including by one of their newly appointed coaches who went back to crabs? Yeah the writing was on the wall back in the Fall of last year.

My son played on this 2023 team last year and with all due respect to the negative posts this team has some talented kids and some pretty amazing families. Unfortunately it appears they’re getting the short end of the stick this year which is a shame. This team has potiential and I for one will be rooting for them moving forward. Keep working hard boys and simply keep getting better!!!

Needs real coaches...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

7 very good teams and 91. How was this team decided to be the one to play in the Elite Division? 0-6 for the second straight year; at this point I feel sorry for the kids and parents on this team. Hey Mark; remind us again what these boys will be learning getting hammered each week? How about putting your ego aside and let this team play AA or A and have some fun and grow as a team?

Sorry your son got cut from the team. Hit the wall and try again next year!

I am not sure if anyone was cut from this team rather than walked away. Isn’t this the same club that had to have additional tryouts because invites to come were turn down? Including by one of their newly appointed coaches who went back to crabs? Yeah the writing was on the wall back in the Fall of last year.

My son played on this 2023 team last year and with all due respect to the negative posts this team has some talented kids and some pretty amazing families. Unfortunately it appears they’re getting the short end of the stick this year which is a shame. This team has potiential and I for one will be rooting for them moving forward. Keep working hard boys and simply keep getting better!!!

It is talented but you quit.. That says all we need to know.

How does Next Level compare to Crabs and Hawks at 23?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week games on website

Nl v CB
Looneys v 91
Crabs v hawks
Blc v fca

7 very good teams and 91. How was this team decided to be the one to play in the Elite Division? 0-6 for the second straight year; at this point I feel sorry for the kids and parents on this team. Hey Mark; remind us again what these boys will be learning getting hammered each week? How about putting your ego aside and let this team play AA or A and have some fun and grow as a team?

Sorry your son got cut from the team. Hit the wall and try again next year!

I am not sure if anyone was cut from this team rather than walked away. Isn’t this the same club that had to have additional tryouts because invites to come were turn down? Including by one of their newly appointed coaches who went back to crabs? Yeah the writing was on the wall back in the Fall of last year.

My son played on this 2023 team last year and with all due respect to the negative posts this team has some talented kids and some pretty amazing families. Unfortunately it appears they’re getting the short end of the stick this year which is a shame. This team has potiential and I for one will be rooting for them moving forward. Keep working hard boys and simply keep getting better!!!

It is talented but you quit.. That says all we need to know.

The talent level had nothing to do for the decision to move on; thank you for playing sir.

Is the Club Blue NOVA team playing in HOCO?

It will be a battle

Opening weekend for the 23's.................Predictions?

Next Level vs Club Blue
Looney's vs Team 91
Crabs vs Hawks
FCA vs Bethesda

Tough to say in all honesty but based on previous talent level -

Next Level over Club Blue by 2 goals - I still don't know what to expect from this club blue team
Looney's by double digits over Team 91
Game of the week - Hawks over crabs by 4 goals; I think Crabs struggles this year
Another evenly matched game - FCA in a close one over Bethesda

First week is tough to judge...

NL by 5 - faceoff dominance
Looney's by a bunch - 91 shouldn't be here
Crabs by 5 - who can score for the Hawks
Bethesda by 2 - just a guess. Haven't seen them yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First week is tough to judge...

NL by 5 - faceoff dominance
Looney's by a bunch - 91 shouldn't be here
Crabs by 5 - who can score for the Hawks
Bethesda by 2 - just a guess. Haven't seen them yet.

The score of the game Sunday between Club Blue and Next Level will be tied 0-0

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First week is tough to judge...

NL by 5 - faceoff dominance
Looney's by a bunch - 91 shouldn't be here
Crabs by 5 - who can score for the Hawks
Bethesda by 2 - just a guess. Haven't seen them yet.

The score of the game Sunday between Club Blue and Next Level will be tied 0-0

Are you a 5 year old ?

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

This is my favorite thing I’ve ever read on here.

WSYL East Regional Schedule is out...who are these teams?

Blue

Breakers
Cavalier
Big 5
BBL Elite
Redshirts

Red

3D Mid-Atlantic
Lax Factory
Next Level
Tri-State
Saltwater

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

From the man who insults Looneys parents; Relax and have some fun with it. stunad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

Looks like someones team is a bottom dweller! Tell them to hit the wall!

Nationally ranked Cannons got caught with multiple players that did no meet the age req and were kicked out of the World Series.

If there are 6 regions and 24 teams in Denver, does that mean four of these teams go to Denver? Not very impressive. Looks like a B tournament field with a couple A teams thrown in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

Looks like someones team is a bottom dweller! Tell them to hit the wall!

Must be a Madlax or Team 91 dad!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

Looks like someones team is a bottom dweller! Tell them to hit the wall!

Must be a Madlax or Team 91 dad!!

Neither are correct. Just someone who isn't living their life through their kids. A picture of your kid playing lacrosse is probably framed on your desk... or is it your profile picture on Facebook? I'm sorry that you sucked at lacrosse (or most likely didn't even play) and that your kid's success or lack there of will define your life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there are 6 regions and 24 teams in Denver, does that mean four of these teams go to Denver? Not very impressive. Looks like a B tournament field with a couple A teams thrown in.

I do not think that it is an automatic 4 in from the Region, you also have to account for the international teams, and regions that have a larger pool of very good teams like the North. You are always going to have some questionable teams in every qualifier, whether to see where they stand against better competition or just to play against better teams as a kickoff to the spring, for better or worse, it is open to any age conforming team. There are definitely a couple of very good teams in the mix, but this also gives you a pretty good perspective on the holdback issue. While I realize that some teams do not want to spend the money, or think that the WSYL is a waste of time, the list of qualifier teams settles a lot of the holdback BS on all of these BOTC forums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

Looks like someones team is a bottom dweller! Tell them to hit the wall!

Must be a Madlax or Team 91 dad!!

Neither are correct. Just someone who isn't living their life through their kids. A picture of your kid playing lacrosse is probably framed on your desk... or is it your profile picture on Facebook? I'm sorry that you sucked at lacrosse (or most likely didn't even play) and that your kid's success or lack there of will define your life.

I am not sure why you are on this forum in all honesty; seems like no matter what is posted you have a sarcastic answer. I wish everyone could be the perfect parent like yourself who love putting down other clubs and their parents; you are a fine example to your son(s). Keep up the good work putting down others while trying to build up your own self esteem. I am sorry you got bullied as a child and still have yet to recover.

How has BLC Blue looked this late Winter/ early Spring season; I heard they played in 2 tournaments so far this year.

Actually it wasn't multiple players on 23, it was one who missed the birthdate by weeks.

A B tournament? so a tournament with holdback cheaters is an A tournament. How about rooting for your club and don’t worry about the clubs that are doing it right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I predict 5 pulled hammys, 2 rusty gates, 3 finalizers and 1 dirty sanchez from a looney's parent... Have we really sucken to the level of predicting 7th grade lacrosse games?

Looks like someones team is a bottom dweller! Tell them to hit the wall!

Must be a Madlax or Team 91 dad!!

Neither are correct. Just someone who isn't living their life through their kids. A picture of your kid playing lacrosse is probably framed on your desk... or is it your profile picture on Facebook? I'm sorry that you sucked at lacrosse (or most likely didn't even play) and that your kid's success or lack there of will define your life.

So I cant have my sons picture playing lacrosse on my desk? Or his picture playing lacrosse as my facebook pic. You want me to take a glamor shot of my self like you have on your facebook? Or a picture of a fat wife like you got on your desk?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A B tournament? so a tournament with holdback cheaters is an A tournament. How about rooting for your club and don’t worry about the clubs that are doing it right.

Doing it right? Name me one club that doesn't have a kid born prior to 9/1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A B tournament? so a tournament with holdback cheaters is an A tournament. How about rooting for your club and don’t worry about the clubs that are doing it right.

That's what folks on this site say to feel better as they've done the pre-K or 8th grade hold back private school route... You know the one where you pay 80K+ with the hopes of earning a 10K scholarship to college for lacrosse. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there are 6 regions and 24 teams in Denver, does that mean four of these teams go to Denver? Not very impressive. Looks like a B tournament field with a couple A teams thrown in.

Other than Next Level who is an A team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there are 6 regions and 24 teams in Denver, does that mean four of these teams go to Denver? Not very impressive. Looks like a B tournament field with a couple A teams thrown in.

Other than Next Level who is an A team?

Not going to get caught in this trap and then have a debate about A vs. B teams, but keep in mind that these are WSYL teams with age restrictions, so a team that you perceive to be an A or B may not be the same team that you see in the WSYL. For instance, and just using this as an example, is the Next Level WSYL team the same as the regular Next Level 2023 team, probably not. That is not a shot at Next Level, I understand the dynamics of youth lacrosse, but it is reasonable to think that there are Next Level 2023 kids that do not make the WSYL age cut-off. Honestly, I think that there are probably 4 true A level teams on that list, but the results will tell the story. Also, keep in mind that a team like Big 5 was created solely for the purpose of the WSYL and is comprised of some top kids from the Philly area, therefore, just because you have no other tournament history with Big 5, it will be a good team (and not a Big 5 parent)

If the Md teams weren’t loaded with 14 year olds playing @ 2023 it could be a very competitive event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Md teams weren’t loaded with 14 year olds playing @ 2023 it could be a very competitive event.

Grade base YOUTH lacrosse on the East Coast at the higher levels is based on who has the most players heldback or prefirsts.
Pretty simple.

Scores from today?
Greasy Moms vs Team 9D Uno?
Flat Brim vs Holdback Hawks?

Hawks 10 Crabs 5. Surprisingly one sided.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from today?
Greasy Moms vs Team 9D Uno?
Flat Brim vs Holdback Hawks?

Looney’s - 9 Team 91 - 8; shocked by this score. Not sure if 91 has turned the corner or Looneys ego got in the way.

Hawks - 10 Crabs - 5 This could have been a lot worse and the crab offense is just plain bad. No ball movement no real threat of anyone scoring.

FCA - 6 BLC -5. Didn’t see the game but not a bad with for FCA who hadn’t played a game prior to today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from today?
Greasy Moms vs Team 9D Uno?
Flat Brim vs Holdback Hawks?

Looney’s - 9 Team 91 - 8; shocked by this score. Not sure if 91 has turned the corner or Looneys ego got in the way.

Hawks - 10 Crabs - 5 This could have been a lot worse and the crab offense is just plain bad. No ball movement no real threat of anyone scoring.

FCA - 6 BLC -5. Didn’t see the game but not a bad with for FCA who hadn’t played a game prior to today.

Hawks crabs game was 9-5, not that it matters that much. Hawks played a packed in 3-3 zone and the crabs struggled against it. Won’t happen twice now that they can plan for it. Also if my kid was a defenseman on the hawks I would not be happy... not good at all for player development. Highlights a severe coaching issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from today?
Greasy Moms vs Team 9D Uno?
Flat Brim vs Holdback Hawks?

Looney’s - 9 Team 91 - 8; shocked by this score. Not sure if 91 has turned the corner or Looneys ego got in the way.

Hawks - 10 Crabs - 5 This could have been a lot worse and the crab offense is just plain bad. No ball movement no real threat of anyone scoring.

FCA - 6 BLC -5. Didn’t see the game but not a bad with for FCA who hadn’t played a game prior to today.

Hawks crabs game was 9-5, not that it matters that much. Hawks played a packed in 3-3 zone and the crabs struggled against it. Won’t happen twice now that they can plan for it. Also if my kid was a defenseman on the hawks I would not be happy... not good at all for player development. Highlights a severe coaching issue.

Sounds like a sore loser

Scoreboard sai 9-5. But it was 10-5. Though I agree in that it really doesn't matter Hawks did play a tight 3-3 zone, however, they have other defensive packages. Why change your zone when it was working? I see that as smart coaching. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from today?
Greasy Moms vs Team 9D Uno?
Flat Brim vs Holdback Hawks?

Looney’s - 9 Team 91 - 8; shocked by this score. Not sure if 91 has turned the corner or Looneys ego got in the way.

Hawks - 10 Crabs - 5 This could have been a lot worse and the crab offense is just plain bad. No ball movement no real threat of anyone scoring.

FCA - 6 BLC -5. Didn’t see the game but not a bad with for FCA who hadn’t played a game prior to today.

Hawks crabs game was 9-5, not that it matters that much. Hawks played a packed in 3-3 zone and the crabs struggled against it. Won’t happen twice now that they can plan for it. Also if my kid was a defenseman on the hawks I would not be happy... not good at all for player development. Highlights a severe coaching issue.

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

How was flat brim on the sideline?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from today?
Greasy Moms vs Team 9D Uno?
Flat Brim vs Holdback Hawks?

Looney’s - 9 Team 91 - 8; shocked by this score. Not sure if 91 has turned the corner or Looneys ego got in the way.

Hawks - 10 Crabs - 5 This could have been a lot worse and the crab offense is just plain bad. No ball movement no real threat of anyone scoring.

FCA - 6 BLC -5. Didn’t see the game but not a bad with for FCA who hadn’t played a game prior to today.

Hawks crabs game was 9-5, not that it matters that much. Hawks played a packed in 3-3 zone and the crabs struggled against it. Won’t happen twice now that they can plan for it. Also if my kid was a defenseman on the hawks I would not be happy... not good at all for player development. Highlights a severe coaching issue.

Thanks for the advice Flat Brim. Much appreciated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scoreboard sai 9-5. But it was 10-5. Though I agree in that it really doesn't matter Hawks did play a tight 3-3 zone, however, they have other defensive packages. Why change your zone when it was working? I see that as smart coaching. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from today?
Greasy Moms vs Team 9D Uno?
Flat Brim vs Holdback Hawks?

Looney’s - 9 Team 91 - 8; shocked by this score. Not sure if 91 has turned the corner or Looneys ego got in the way.

Hawks - 10 Crabs - 5 This could have been a lot worse and the crab offense is just plain bad. No ball movement no real threat of anyone scoring.

FCA - 6 BLC -5. Didn’t see the game but not a bad with for FCA who hadn’t played a game prior to today.

Hawks crabs game was 9-5, not that it matters that much. Hawks played a packed in 3-3 zone and the crabs struggled against it. Won’t happen twice now that they can plan for it. Also if my kid was a defenseman on the hawks I would not be happy... not good at all for player development. Highlights a severe coaching issue.

That game was 8-1 at one point and the Hawks dominated in all aspects of the game with the exception of FO. The crabs scored a few meaningless goals to make it respectable at the end of the game against the back up goalie and defense. Also when is the last tiem the Crabs organization developed anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was flat brim on the sideline?

Quiet; his old team is a shell of itself thanks to him and #14 was no factor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Clearly a comment from someone who knows nothing about lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Their future HS coaches would like them to be really good on ball defenders that know how to slide and recover in man to man. When they have 4-5 practices a week then they'll teach them a zone as a chance of pace. The zone is especially effective in youth because other teams do not have time to implement and practice a zone offense for the 1 game they'll see it -- unless they care about winning more than development. Which is back to the original posters point. BTW I have 2 in HS and I haven't seen much zone being played so far this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Clearly a comment from someone who knows nothing about lacrosse.

I have coached and ran a zone defense with both younger teams and less skilled teams. A zone defense does more not less to develop skills that will translate in HS and beyond. The type of defensive look is also determined by what the offense is running. If you do not like what the defense is doing....beat them.

Did anyone see the BLC/FCA game and could share some thoughts about what these teams are bringing to the table this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Their future HS coaches would like them to be really good on ball defenders that know how to slide and recover in man to man. When they have 4-5 practices a week then they'll teach them a zone as a chance of pace. The zone is especially effective in youth because other teams do not have time to implement and practice a zone offense for the 1 game they'll see it -- unless they care about winning more than development. Which is back to the original posters point. BTW I have 2 in HS and I haven't seen much zone being played so far this year

What is a ZONE offense?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Clearly a comment from someone who knows nothing about lacrosse.

I have coached and ran a zone defense with both younger teams and less skilled teams. A zone defense does more not less to develop skills that will translate in HS and beyond. The type of defensive look is also determined by what the offense is running. If you do not like what the defense is doing....beat them.

And now we see why you are not coaching anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the BLC/FCA game and could share some thoughts about what these teams are bringing to the table this year?

Seriously? Maybe you would like someone to send you the game film? They're bringing 7th graders to the table.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Their future HS coaches would like them to be really good on ball defenders that know how to slide and recover in man to man. When they have 4-5 practices a week then they'll teach them a zone as a chance of pace. The zone is especially effective in youth because other teams do not have time to implement and practice a zone offense for the 1 game they'll see it -- unless they care about winning more than development. Which is back to the original posters point. BTW I have 2 in HS and I haven't seen much zone being played so far this year

Bingo!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Their future HS coaches would like them to be really good on ball defenders that know how to slide and recover in man to man. When they have 4-5 practices a week then they'll teach them a zone as a chance of pace. The zone is especially effective in youth because other teams do not have time to implement and practice a zone offense for the 1 game they'll see it -- unless they care about winning more than development. Which is back to the original posters point. BTW I have 2 in HS and I haven't seen much zone being played so far this year

What is a ZONE offense?

An offense you run vs a zone defense.

All you Dads out there droning on about what teaches kids this and that and what doesn't. I played LSM for Penn just a few years ago and I'm an assistant coach now for a team in this HoCo league. You Monday morning QB's don't know [ChillLaxin] and unless you played at the highest level sit down and be quiet. Zone D is a set, just like man D, there's plenty that can be taught to players at this age that translates to understanding fundamental defense. But let's listen to you guys as you try to relive your glory days through your kids. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone defense at this age serves no purpose other than to win. It does nothing for their development.

True, because they will never play a zone defense as they advance through high school and into college. If they are playing the ball in their zone, communicating and recovering away from the ball, how is this hampering their development.

Clearly a comment from someone who knows nothing about lacrosse.

My 35 years of coaching at the youth, high school and college levels would say otherwise, you are still playing the ball recovering and communicating which are the basics of playing defense. High school coaches could care less what a kid plays at the youth level and college coaches have the same thoughts of a kids high school experience. They are going to take the players and put them in the best position for their program and schemes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you Dads out there droning on about what teaches kids this and that and what doesn't. I played LSM for Penn just a few years ago and I'm an assistant coach now for a team in this HoCo league. You Monday morning QB's don't know [ChillLaxin] and unless you played at the highest level sit down and be quiet. Zone D is a set, just like man D, there's plenty that can be taught to players at this age that translates to understanding fundamental defense. But let's listen to you guys as you try to relive your glory days through your kids. Pathetic.

The only Glory Days this guy had was Beef on Weck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you Dads out there droning on about what teaches kids this and that and what doesn't. I played LSM for Penn just a few years ago and I'm an assistant coach now for a team in this HoCo league. You Monday morning QB's don't know [ChillLaxin] and unless you played at the highest level sit down and be quiet. Zone D is a set, just like man D, there's plenty that can be taught to players at this age that translates to understanding fundamental defense. But let's listen to you guys as you try to relive your glory days through your kids. Pathetic.

Sounds like you are exactly what you claim others are! Hilarious. Some of the worst YOUTH coaches are the supposed " high level" lacrosse players. Reading between the lines, looks like you are on your way to being one of them too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the BLC/FCA game and could share some thoughts about what these teams are bringing to the table this year?

Seriously? Maybe you would like someone to send you the game film? They're bringing 7th graders to the table.

Here's another disgruntled dad who can't find a team for his son to play on! Relax Troll; he is simply asking how these two teams look. Why is that so wrong??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you Dads out there droning on about what teaches kids this and that and what doesn't. I played LSM for Penn just a few years ago and I'm an assistant coach now for a team in this HoCo league. You Monday morning QB's don't know [ChillLaxin] and unless you played at the highest level sit down and be quiet. Zone D is a set, just like man D, there's plenty that can be taught to players at this age that translates to understanding fundamental defense. But let's listen to you guys as you try to relive your glory days through your kids. Pathetic.

Sounds like you are exactly what you claim others are! Hilarious. Some of the worst YOUTH coaches are the supposed " high level" lacrosse players. Reading between the lines, looks like you are on your way to being one of them too!

Dumb drunk dad’s. It must stink to have to pay private school tuition and pay to get your son’s name added to the JV roster. That is a whole lotta money your putting out to save face. At least this guy played the sport and attended an Ivy League School. I’m sure he knows more about playing the sport instead of paying to be on the sidelines!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you Dads out there droning on about what teaches kids this and that and what doesn't. I played LSM for Penn just a few years ago and I'm an assistant coach now for a team in this HoCo league. You Monday morning QB's don't know [ChillLaxin] and unless you played at the highest level sit down and be quiet. Zone D is a set, just like man D, there's plenty that can be taught to players at this age that translates to understanding fundamental defense. But let's listen to you guys as you try to relive your glory days through your kids. Pathetic.

This would have been a much better reply, and much better received, if you didn't sink to the level of the other posters on here.

Question? Will HOCO schedule be out anytime this week? Will teams playing in the WSYL qualifier be considered? Looks like it could be a conflict.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you Dads out there droning on about what teaches kids this and that and what doesn't. I played LSM for Penn just a few years ago and I'm an assistant coach now for a team in this HoCo league. You Monday morning QB's don't know [ChillLaxin] and unless you played at the highest level sit down and be quiet. Zone D is a set, just like man D, there's plenty that can be taught to players at this age that translates to understanding fundamental defense. But let's listen to you guys as you try to relive your glory days through your kids. Pathetic.

Sounds like you are exactly what you claim others are! Hilarious. Some of the worst YOUTH coaches are the supposed " high level" lacrosse players. Reading between the lines, looks like you are on your way to being one of them too!

Dumb drunk dad’s. It must stink to have to pay private school tuition and pay to get your son’s name added to the JV roster. That is a whole lotta money your putting out to save face. At least this guy played the sport and attended an Ivy League School. I’m sure he knows more about playing the sport instead of paying to be on the sidelines!

The one that sounds " Dumb drunk" is the first poster who claims that everyone besides us " highest level players " dont know [ChillLaxin]. Then you come on here and sound just as " Dumb drunk" with your claim of paying to get on Private school JV team . Can you at least stay on subject and focused ! Funny stuff there Mr Ivy League !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was flat brim on the sideline?

Quiet; his old team is a shell of itself thanks to him and #14 was no factor.

Wow.....pretty sad...Good news is that Crabs pockets programs is off the charts fun for the whole family

It is enormously sad and disturbing that people cannot comment on 7th grade lacrosse without constantly making disparaging comments and levying personal attacks. The games this past weekend were played by boys who work hard and clearly enjoy the sport. The vast majority of coaches, though not perfect, have the best interest of their players and teams in mind. My only conclusion is that being anonymous allows for this sort of middle school behavior. Or perhaps more accurately that most of those posting are actually in middle school. Either way, this is my first and last post. And my last time on this forum. So, please feel free to quote and add your snarky comments, but be assured that I won't be around to read them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the BLC/FCA game and could share some thoughts about what these teams are bringing to the table this year?

My son played after this game and I was able to catch most of it. Exciting game as it went to OT and was won by FCA 6 to 5. I thought both teams looked rusty and still in the process of shaking off the lack of team play over the winter months. BLC is big and physical defensively and FCA had trouble getting inside but was able to win the majority of their faceoffs and get possession for most of the game. This constant pressure eventually wore the BLC defense down late in the game and they rallied from a 3-1 deficit in the second half. FCA offensively had too many unforced turnovers to count; again I chalk that up to lack of team chemistry, but looked to be the more talented and better coached team. Most of BLC's goals came from a better GB game and second chances. I think if they played again FCA would win by 4-5 goals; a lot of missed opportunities due to turnovers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is enormously sad and disturbing that people cannot comment on 7th grade lacrosse without constantly making disparaging comments and levying personal attacks. The games this past weekend were played by boys who work hard and clearly enjoy the sport. The vast majority of coaches, though not perfect, have the best interest of their players and teams in mind. My only conclusion is that being anonymous allows for this sort of middle school behavior. Or perhaps more accurately that most of those posting are actually in middle school. Either way, this is my first and last post. And my last time on this forum. So, please feel free to quote and add your snarky comments, but be assured that I won't be around to read them.

Bye Felicia.... I love how people make announcements when they so called leave this site... You are not leaving so stop it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is enormously sad and disturbing that people cannot comment on 7th grade lacrosse without constantly making disparaging comments and levying personal attacks. The games this past weekend were played by boys who work hard and clearly enjoy the sport. The vast majority of coaches, though not perfect, have the best interest of their players and teams in mind. My only conclusion is that being anonymous allows for this sort of middle school behavior. Or perhaps more accurately that most of those posting are actually in middle school. Either way, this is my first and last post. And my last time on this forum. So, please feel free to quote and add your snarky comments, but be assured that I won't be around to read them.

Well we have lost another lacrosse Mom... #thankgod

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the BLC/FCA game and could share some thoughts about what these teams are bringing to the table this year?

Fun game to watch. Definitely could have gone either way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is enormously sad and disturbing that people cannot comment on 7th grade lacrosse without constantly making disparaging comments and levying personal attacks. The games this past weekend were played by boys who work hard and clearly enjoy the sport. The vast majority of coaches, though not perfect, have the best interest of their players and teams in mind. My only conclusion is that being anonymous allows for this sort of middle school behavior. Or perhaps more accurately that most of those posting are actually in middle school. Either way, this is my first and last post. And my last time on this forum. So, please feel free to quote and add your snarky comments, but be assured that I won't be around to read them.

Bye Bye Francine. I see you soccer moms have a hard time adjusting

Cannons beat Cavs 9-8. Yup, #16 in the country. Maybe Cavs can try to play NVYLL 14U Lower B next year and go back to winning all their games by 10 goals. They like it better that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the BLC/FCA game and could share some thoughts about what these teams are bringing to the table this year?

Fun game to watch. Definitely could have gone either way.

I agree: definitely could have gone either way.....I do like the pieces FCA has added to the team. They will be competitive moving forward. I heard Sunday their FOGO broke his hand and is out for the year so that will definitely impact them as well.

HoCo schedule is posted

Hawks made Crabs look silly last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks made Crabs look silly last weekend.

We’ve been over this. Hawks had to resort to a gimmick defense to win that game. Enjoy the win. Won’t happen twice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone see the BLC/FCA game and could share some thoughts about what these teams are bringing to the table this year?

Fun game to watch. Definitely could have gone either way.

I agree: definitely could have gone either way.....I do like the pieces FCA has added to the team. They will be competitive moving forward. I heard Sunday their FOGO broke his hand and is out for the year so that will definitely impact them as well.

If that was the backup FOGO against BLC on Sunday, FCA looks to be in pretty good shape and have depth there. Great game to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks made Crabs look silly last weekend.

We’ve been over this. Hawks had to resort to a gimmick defense to win that game. Enjoy the win. Won’t happen twice.

This Crabs Team lost the majority of their team this offseason; we get into the reasons why, but this team is no where near where is was the previous two years. Anyone that was at that game saw the Hawks had their way with them for the entire 4 quarters. Unless #24 comes back to play at the 2023 Level crabs will continue to be an average team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks made Crabs look silly last weekend.

We’ve been over this. Hawks had to resort to a gimmick defense to win that game. Enjoy the win. Won’t happen twice.

Looked like the Hawks gimmick offense must have worked too. 10 goals!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks made Crabs look silly last weekend.

We’ve been over this. Hawks had to resort to a gimmick defense to win that game. Enjoy the win. Won’t happen twice.

Trolls... neither of these two stunad posters are Hawks parents.
Worry about your own kids and club. Looking forward to exciting games. Good luck to all.

Obviously you haven't paid close attention to the Hawks. They've run a zone defense for years.

After week one it is obvious that the Hawks are the class of DMV lacrosse. They are talented, well coached and hard working. They own the Annapolis-Kent Island recruiting area. I saw nearly 30 kids last week on that team
FCA-Crabs-Loonys-Team9d1 divide up the Baltimore Metro area diluting each team. I think an all star team made up of Balt teams could compete with the Hawks but would eventually faulted.

Faulted?

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

Yes! Someone who gets it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I bet you're the same guy who thinks running a 3-3 zone is helping to develop defensemen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I beg to differ; there are so many good teams up and down the east coast; HOCO represents a small fraction of those teams. I’ll take the Naptown performance of my team over HOCO.

How many goalies did Crabs use against Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I beg to differ; there are so many good teams up and down the east coast; HOCO represents a small fraction of those teams. I’ll take the Naptown performance of my team over HOCO.

what position do you play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I beg to differ; there are so many good teams up and down the east coast; HOCO represents a small fraction of those teams. I’ll take the Naptown performance of my team over HOCO.

Or the Elite 8. The best collection of teams probably anywhere. How did the HOCO teams do in that? As I recall, most were knocked out early. HOCO doesn’t compare to any of the top tourneys. Let’s be honest. Very limited competition.

What are the options to HOCO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many goalies did Crabs use against Hawks?

Crabs used 2 and I believe the Hawks did too. Crabs have the best goaltending unit in Maryland and probably anywhere

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I beg to differ; there are so many good teams up and down the east coast; HOCO represents a small fraction of those teams. I’ll take the Naptown performance of my team over HOCO.

what position do you play?

^^^^^^ funny ^^^^

Who the heck plays in a league and doesn't care about winning it, especially a league like this one. Yes, there is some good teams all over the country but the majority of top teams are in this league. Remember before club tournaments there was only the league you played in and it meant everything. Your club director and owner take it very serious as does the players and coaches. Lacrosse is a spring sport and even though it is a good spring board for the summer grind, winning the league championship carries weight in those summer games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many goalies did Crabs use against Hawks?

Crabs used 2 and I believe the Hawks did too. Crabs have the best goaltending unit in Maryland and probably anywhere

Best goaltending unit in MD letting 10 goals in first game of the season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I beg to differ; there are so many good teams up and down the east coast; HOCO represents a small fraction of those teams. I’ll take the Naptown performance of my team over HOCO.

what position do you play?

I am an attackman for the Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many goalies did Crabs use against Hawks?

Crabs used 2 and I believe the Hawks did too. Crabs have the best goaltending unit in Maryland and probably anywhere

Best goaltending unit in MD letting 10 goals in first game of the season.

Don't worry I hear the Crabs are working to revive the old Armadillo offense to counter the Hawks zone.

You probably aren't the oldest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many goalies did Crabs use against Hawks?

Crabs used 2 and I believe the Hawks did too. Crabs have the best goaltending unit in Maryland and probably anywhere

Best goaltending unit in MD letting 10 goals in first game of the season.

Don't worry I hear the Crabs are working to revive the old Armadillo offense to counter the Hawks zone.

Nice!! I heard that also were trying to go old school and be allowed six long poles!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I beg to differ; there are so many good teams up and down the east coast; HOCO represents a small fraction of those teams. I’ll take the Naptown performance of my team over HOCO.

what position do you play?

I am an attackman for the Hawks

First time i've heard a 12-13 year old say "i beg to differ" but I guess you're an old soul. Good luck this season pops, I mean kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone really take this HOCO league seriously? Lol this is simply a warm-up to summer tournaments when the really fun begins. Relax and enjoy watching you kid play.

A team's performance in the HoCo league says a lot more about the team than any summer tournament where you are asking kids to play 5-6 games in a weekend.

I beg to differ; there are so many good teams up and down the east coast; HOCO represents a small fraction of those teams. I’ll take the Naptown performance of my team over HOCO.

what position do you play?

I am an attackman for the Hawks

First time i've heard a 12-13 year old say "i beg to differ" but I guess you're an old soul. Good luck this season pops, I mean kid.

We are educated down here in Annapolis sir; I would think you have more to do during the day like 'work' to provide a better education for your kids.

Crabs never lost a regular season hoco game with brim as a coach and they only needed one goalie. Then again they are using a midfield cobbled from b teams and are without the dominant attackman.

Annapolis more educated Educated? In What? Dude you are just south of Glen Burnie(dirty)You have a P.H.D. in 1980's Hair Bands and IROC Z Camaros like the rest of your county?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs never lost a regular season hoco game with brim as a coach and they only needed one goalie. Then again they are using a midfield cobbled from b teams and are without the dominant attackman.

Flat Brim was not the head Coach last year... No one ever brings the head coach up as part of the problem with that club last year as well...Flat Brim takes a lot of heat for what happened but other coaches and the owner had a big part in the breakup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Annapolis more educated Educated? In What? Dude you are just south of Glen Burnie(dirty)You have a P.H.D. in 1980's Hair Bands and IROC Z Camaros like the rest of your county?

Again sir you just proved my point. Get back to your janitorial duties so you can pay you club dues for your son to play B level lacrosse.

It isn’t one dominant attack player. It takes at least two good attackman to make a difference. It isn’t one good midfield or good defensive player. At this level you should know how to catch, throw, set a pick and shoot. I don’t care how good one attack player or midfielder is. If you do not have the fundamental basics of this sport then the team will fail. There are very good players left on the Crabs team but mixed in are kids who genuinely have no idea what they are doing. It has nothing to do with Crabs coaching. Most of the kids that can play are former Crabs players. Nice try saying only one kid made a difference or blaming a coach. Shows how very little you know about this sport, this team or how to play. You have no idea!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It isn’t one dominant attack player. It takes at least two good attackman to make a difference. It isn’t one good midfield or good defensive player. At this level you should know how to catch, throw, set a pick and shoot. I don’t care how good one attack player or midfielder is. If you do not have the fundamental basics of this sport then the team will fail. There are very good players left on the Crabs team but mixed in are kids who genuinely have no idea what they are doing. It has nothing to do with Crabs coaching. Most of the kids that can play are former Crabs players. Nice try saying only one kid made a difference or blaming a coach. Shows how very little you know about this sport, this team or how to play. You have no idea!

#24 is playing 2022 and dominating at that level. If he comes back to 2023 that Crabs Team is now a contender; he is a difference maker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It isn’t one dominant attack player. It takes at least two good attackman to make a difference. It isn’t one good midfield or good defensive player. At this level you should know how to catch, throw, set a pick and shoot. I don’t care how good one attack player or midfielder is. If you do not have the fundamental basics of this sport then the team will fail. There are very good players left on the Crabs team but mixed in are kids who genuinely have no idea what they are doing. It has nothing to do with Crabs coaching. Most of the kids that can play are former Crabs players. Nice try saying only one kid made a difference or blaming a coach. Shows how very little you know about this sport, this team or how to play. You have no idea!

#24 is playing 2022 and dominating at that level. If he comes back to 2023 that Crabs Team is now a contender; he is a difference maker.

Thanks Dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It isn’t one dominant attack player. It takes at least two good attackman to make a difference. It isn’t one good midfield or good defensive player. At this level you should know how to catch, throw, set a pick and shoot. I don’t care how good one attack player or midfielder is. If you do not have the fundamental basics of this sport then the team will fail. There are very good players left on the Crabs team but mixed in are kids who genuinely have no idea what they are doing. It has nothing to do with Crabs coaching. Most of the kids that can play are former Crabs players. Nice try saying only one kid made a difference or blaming a coach. Shows how very little you know about this sport, this team or how to play. You have no idea!

#24 is playing 2022 and dominating at that level. If he comes back to 2023 that Crabs Team is now a contender; he is a difference maker.

How would you explain last years Hoco championship loss? Difference maker???? Dominant performance??? Please tell us

I attributed the demise to four things, of which only one was losing the dominant attackman. The others were this year’s midfield (with one exception) comprised of players that all played on B teams last year, brim not being on the coaching staff (meaning he was a contributor to the success - he ran the offense), and platooning goalies rather than using the one they relied on the prior two years. So rather than misplacing your criticism on my knowledge of the game, maybe you should work on your reading comprehension. But then again, that one attackman who now plays up on 2022 was a real difference maker.

Yeah but if #24 was on this team without #14 then it would be the same result. You really know nothing about this team, this club or the sport in general. You are a try hard! As in you try very hard to create drama that just isn’t there. You try very hard to stir the pot. By now everyone knows who the good players are from each team. Downing a good player doesn’t make him any less of a player! Talking up a player who isn’t good doesn’t make him any better. Just watch and observe! It is very clear by now who the game changers are. This definitely is a forum of women talking about hair bands, hats and a total lack of lacrosse IQ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It isn’t one dominant attack player. It takes at least two good attackman to make a difference. It isn’t one good midfield or good defensive player. At this level you should know how to catch, throw, set a pick and shoot. I don’t care how good one attack player or midfielder is. If you do not have the fundamental basics of this sport then the team will fail. There are very good players left on the Crabs team but mixed in are kids who genuinely have no idea what they are doing. It has nothing to do with Crabs coaching. Most of the kids that can play are former Crabs players. Nice try saying only one kid made a difference or blaming a coach. Shows how very little you know about this sport, this team or how to play. You have no idea!

#24 is playing 2022 and dominating at that level. If he comes back to 2023 that Crabs Team is now a contender; he is a difference maker.

Good player. Wouldn't be the best player on the field against the Hawks though. Also would not "dominate" against that Hawks D.

Ridiculous to talk about two very good players. Crabs was successful last year and it is a new team this year. You can’t always win. It is not easy to win at any age level. Maybe people can appreciate what a good team they were and stop bashing individual players and coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but if #24 was on this team without #14 then it would be the same result. You really know nothing about this team, this club or the sport in general. You are a try hard! As in you try very hard to create drama that just isn’t there. You try very hard to stir the pot. By now everyone knows who the good players are from each team. Downing a good player doesn’t make him any less of a player! Talking up a player who isn’t good doesn’t make him any better. Just watch and observe! It is very clear by now who the game changers are. This definitely is a forum of women talking about hair bands, hats and a total lack of lacrosse IQ.

#14 shouldn’t be mentioned in the same stratosphere as #24. No comparison at all. #14 is vastly overrated and wouldn’t start on many teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ridiculous to talk about two very good players. Crabs was successful last year and it is a new team this year. You can’t always win. It is not easy to win at any age level. Maybe people can appreciate what a good team they were and stop bashing individual players and coaches.

And maybe all this whiney Baltimoron talk is getting old. How about Evergreen being the only VA team to win a HOCO game in week one?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah but if #24 was on this team without #14 then it would be the same result. You really know nothing about this team, this club or the sport in general. You are a try hard! As in you try very hard to create drama that just isn’t there. You try very hard to stir the pot. By now everyone knows who the good players are from each team. Downing a good player doesn’t make him any less of a player! Talking up a player who isn’t good doesn’t make him any better. Just watch and observe! It is very clear by now who the game changers are. This definitely is a forum of women talking about hair bands, hats and a total lack of lacrosse IQ.

#14 shouldn’t be mentioned in the same stratosphere as #24. No comparison at all. #14 is vastly overrated and wouldn’t start on many teams.

Nice try but the kid is and always has been a great player.

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

False - their best pole wasn't even at the game. No idea why. Maybe he had his driver's test. Their second best pole was playing LSM. Nice try though Brim.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on

a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

False - their best pole wasn't even at the game. No idea why. Maybe he had his driver's test. Their second best pole was playing LSM. Nice try though Brim.

Say what?!

It's very unfortunate that you guys are allowed to talk about individual youth players on this forum. There used to be moderators that would police this stuff. When and if they make it to college rosters then blast away on lax power forum. It's unfortunately part of the deal. But stay off the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on

a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

False - their best pole wasn't even at the game. No idea why. Maybe he had his driver's test. Their second best pole was playing LSM. Nice try though Brim.

Say what?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on

a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

False - their best pole wasn't even at the game. No idea why. Maybe he had his driver's test. Their second best pole was playing LSM. Nice try though Brim.

Say what?!

Hawks were without a very good long pole. And Crabs did make a nice comeback near the end. However, had Hawks kept the pedal to the metal, not entirely sure the score would have to that close.

Final score was 10-5. So what was the score before the comeback?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Final score was 10-5. So what was the score before the comeback?

8-1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Final score was 10-5. So what was the score before the comeback?

. At one point in the second half it is 8--1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many goalies did Crabs use against Hawks?

Crabs used 2 and I believe the Hawks did too. Crabs have the best goaltending unit in Maryland and probably anywhere

Best goaltending unit in MD letting 10 goals in first game of the season.

When you only have 1 attackman that can catch it means more turnovers which means more shots. Crabs goalies had considerably more saves than the Hawks. Hawks goalie is very good but Crabs have by far the best pair. Every team in elite is screwed if their top goalie didn't play. Every team except the crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference

on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

I thought the dad was quiet during the game? That is what someone posted on here. I was watching and it wasn’t a pass to his teammate more like a random throw upfield to anyone. It looked to me like the kid was talking to the ref. and not looking in the stands. If you are going to critique every move then you have to get it right.
If anyone is going to be leaving next year, I assure you, it will be you. I think calls to the coach to about playing time for your son will do you in; if not your awful attitude towards your son’s teammates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Final score was 10-5. So what was the score before the comeback?

There was no comeback lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

Dont know what this parent guy has done, but it must be something ...to get fired from coaching, cause a team to fall apart and then cheer on the other team only besides his own son?? This sounds like a drama series on TV than 7th grade Youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

Dont know what this parent guy has done, but it must be something ...to get fired from coaching, cause a team to fall apart and then cheer on the other team only besides his own son?? This sounds like a drama series on TV than 7th grade Youth lacrosse.

Drama series are fictional. It’s true Crabs reality. If it’s not this dad next year, it will be another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does

not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

Dont know what this parent guy has done, but it must be something ...to get fired from coaching, cause a team to fall apart and then cheer on the other team only besides his own son?? This sounds like a drama series on TV than 7th grade Youth
lacrosse.

The guy still coaches a few different teams, a select few parents are mad for different reasons , one person didn’t cause a team to fall apart and you haven’t met some of the very “special” parent(s) that are/were a part of this team. It will all iron itself out by next year. Can’t wait to see that tv series season debut!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does

not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

Dont know what this parent guy has done, but it must be something ...to get fired from coaching, cause a team to fall apart and then cheer on the other team only besides his own son?? This sounds like a drama series on TV than 7th grade Youth
lacrosse.

No, this only happens on an an anonymous forum. No one wants to hear it so you resort to making up BS anonymously so you can’t be called out on your lies or trying to hurt kids. Everyone is over it and would like you to move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference

on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

I thought the dad was quiet during the game? That is what someone posted on here. I was watching and it wasn’t a pass to his teammate more like a random throw upfield to anyone. It looked to me like the kid was talking to the ref. and not looking in the stands. If you are going to critique every move then you have to get it right.
If anyone is going to be leaving next year, I assure you, it will be you. I think calls to the coach to about playing time for your son will do you in; if not your awful attitude towards your son’s teammates.

Sure, whatever you say "Coach"

Not the “Coach”...a parent! It is obvious you are an angry parent who’s kid isn’t where you want him to be on this team! I actually feel sorry for your kid. I can’t imagine that you hold all of your anger in at home or on the car ride home. To have this much animosity towards anyone over a youth sport is extremely disfunctional. You know it is and that is why you are on this forum. It is frustrating trying to enjoy watching my son and others play and continually here disfunctional taking by disgruntled parents in the sideline! Your anger is misplaced. Start with figuring out what is really upsetting you. Surely it isn’t 7th grade youth lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a hawks parent who watched the crabs- hawks game. Though the hawks won the game, the crabs made a comeback largely due to #14. The hawks did sub of their players but kept their best defenseman on #14. My son has played against him for years and he is an outstanding player. Our hawks team has alot of respect for him and his Dad who is an extraordinary coach. I agree that the crabs team we watched last Sunday was much different than the past two years. Not the same coaches and not the same strong players we are use to seeing from that Crabs 2023 team. Still a long season and time will tell. One player does not make a deference on a team....must have a core of strong teams players.

Assuming you are one of the ACS parents from the Hawks? Yeah, we really appreciated how #14s dad was cheering for several of our Hawk opponent players all game and except for his son we never heard one positive about any of our players, his sons TEAMMATES. IT was a nice touch when #14 was looking in the stands at this GREAT COACH while a teammates pass to him was rolling out of bounds. I hope you take them both next year.

What are ACS parents, just curious. Never heard that term

Atlantic Coast Stars. An 2023 all star team coached by brim and promoted by crabs. Won the 2017 dicks national c-ship over dukes national.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic Coast Stars. An 2023 all star team coached by brim and promoted by crabs. Won the 2017 dicks national c-ship over dukes national.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic Coast Stars. An 2023 all star team coached by brim and promoted by crabs. Won the 2017 dicks national c-ship over dukes national.

I thought someone said he got fired as a coach? I am confused. Didn’t someone say he coached for the Crabs and he was responsible for breaking up the team? Now he coaches an All Star Team sponsored by the Crabs? I think I follow now. Parents are mad because their kids aren’t on this team. That makes sense. All of the animosity on these posts. Sounds like typical Lacrosse drama.

He did not get fired as a coach. He actually helps out several crabs teams and coaches ACS. He is an exceptional offensive coach. Boys I know who play for him really enjoy playing on his team. Fun upbeat coach who coaches ACS with Stover. Nice mix of boys and they have a lot fun.....and just happen to be really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic Coast Stars. An 2023 all star team coached by brim and promoted by crabs. Won the 2017 dicks national c-ship over dukes national.

Must have been a huge tourney to be titled “national c-ship”, how many teams were in it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic Coast Stars. An 2023 all star team coached by brim and promoted by crabs. Won the 2017 dicks national c-ship over dukes national.

Use the coach label loosely here, more like [ChillLaxin], not much of a lax pedigree exists.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic Coast Stars. An 2023 all star team coached by brim and promoted by crabs. Won the 2017 dicks national c-ship over dukes national.

I thought someone said he got fired as a coach? I am confused. Didn’t someone say he coached for the Crabs and he was responsible for breaking up the team? Now he coaches an All Star Team sponsored by the Crabs? I think I follow now. Parents are mad because their kids aren’t on this team. That makes sense. All of the animosity on these posts. Sounds like typical Lacrosse drama.

Thanks for chiming in Brimmy!!!

Nope nope he is just a jerk

I’ve seen this coach for years, rec and club and he is a great coach and really nice person to talk with. Get a life and worry about why he’s kicking your butt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He did not get fired as a coach. He actually helps out several crabs teams and coaches ACS. He is an exceptional offensive coach. Boys I know who play for him really enjoy playing on his team. Fun upbeat coach who coaches ACS with Stover. Nice mix of boys and they have a lot fun.....and just happen to be really good.

When the Crabs called us and others to try and get us to come back they told us he would not be coaching. Of course, they knew that was the only chance any of us would go back there.

Did you go back?

I’m sure he cares that you call him a jerk on some anonymous forum...Like he’s the first lacrosse coach in all of lacrosse that has been called a jerk from a dad!

None of the same coaches are coaching the 2023 team. King crab typically always changes coaches each season. King crab and brim have a good relationship. Brim helps out coaching Crabs 2024, 2026 and ACS. Reading these posts and it does not make sense. A lot of talk about brim. Brim was coaching Crabs and that team won a lot and brim not coaching and the team is not good. Rather than keep critiquing brim.....takes some accountability for your own boys play. My goodness...all this talk about a coach who wins a lot and the boys love playing for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic Coast Stars. An 2023 all star team coached by brim and promoted by crabs. Won the 2017 dicks national c-ship over dukes national.

I thought someone said he got fired as a coach? I am confused. Didn’t someone say he coached for the Crabs and he was responsible for breaking up the team? Now he coaches an All Star Team sponsored by the Crabs? I think I follow now. Parents are mad because their kids aren’t on this team. That makes sense. All of the animosity on these posts. Sounds like typical Lacrosse

drama.

Thanks for chiming in Brimmy!!!

No, I’m just trying to follow the BS...Daddyo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you go back?

Nope. Not until he is gone.

I see the angry parent, kid not good enough posts but my son started, did well, no complaints at all from us on playing time. The issues weren't just with Brim but he was a HUGE part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78IXn7_ZlI&t=6s
Bethesda 8, VLC 1 from a couple weeks ago. VLC did not look like they belonged on the same field. All the talk from VLC guy about VLC should be playing AAA winds up being BS. Offense was nonexistent. Defense looked good in stretches. Goalie looks solid. Guess the fall chestpounding against undermanned teams was unwarranted. VLC will be lucky to go .500 in AA.

You must be the madlax dad whose son has been on three different teams in two seasons. Joined the crabs....way too many middies...complained about playing time to everyone even though you say your boy started and did not complain about playing time. Come on own up to it. Many of the boys who left the crabs team....team hop season after season hoping their boys will crack a starting spot with a local club. Most of the drama are from parents like you and not the coaches. If I recall your son was a nice person but you were an arrogant dad who pressured your son so much - very dysfunctional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you go back?

Nope. Not until he is gone.

I see the angry parent, kid not good enough posts but my son started, did well, no complaints at all from us on playing time. The issues weren't just with Brim but he was a HUGE part

Considering he wasn’t even a head coach your anger is misplaced. You and your son are on another team now. Probably your 5th and he still hasn’t grown and still isn’t starting. It will always be the coaches and your poor son not starting. In reality your son will probably never start as they only play the top 4 or 5 attackman and your son doesn’t cut it. Blame whomever you want. I am sure brim, his son and the Crabs team really don’t care about your thoughts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you go back?

Nope. Not until he is gone.

I see the angry parent, kid not good enough posts but my son started, did well, no complaints at all from us on playing time. The issues weren't just with Brim but he was a HUGE part

Great! He isn’t coaching anymore. He moved on to coach other teams. The people he coaches now seem to be happy but only time will tell. That goes for you as well. Now let’s move on and talk about the upcoming season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope nope he is just a jerk

I bet you’re al real nice guy too...

Brim is awesome! Haters gonna hate!

All you haters out there....Thing about brim is that each time he is the head coach of a team he wins it all each time even when not having the best players. He gets the best out of his players and phenomenal motivator. My son has played for him for years and thinks the world of brim. Many more coaches out there to give a hard time to who do not produce positive outcomes for the boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you haters out there....Thing about brim is that each time he is the head coach of a team he wins it all each time even when not having the best players. He gets the best out of his players and phenomenal motivator. My son has played for him for years and thinks the world of brim. Many more coaches out there to give a hard time to who do not produce positive outcomes for the boys.

Then why did so many kids leave the 2023 program this year? And please don’t say because he was no longer going to be their coach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you haters out there....Thing about brim is that each time he is the head coach of a team he wins it all each time even when not having the best players. He gets the best out of his players and phenomenal motivator. My son has played for him for years and thinks the world of brim. Many more coaches out there to give a hard time to who do not produce positive outcomes for the boys.

Then why did so many kids leave the 2023 program this year? And please don’t say because he was no longer going to be their coach!

There are many different reasons. I think most people don’t come on this forum because it is negative. I know that most people were upset about playing time, way to many middies, some comments made by the coaches patents didn’t like, negative parents, dislike for the coaches in general, dislike for the Club! Many different reasons. If you moved on then keep moving and stop looking back!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you haters out there....Thing about brim is that each time he is the head coach of a team he wins it all each time even when not having the best players. He gets the best out of his players and phenomenal motivator. My son has played for him for years and thinks the world of brim. Many more coaches out there to give a hard time to who do not produce positive outcomes for the boys.

Then why did so many kids leave the 2023 program this year? And please don’t say because he was no longer going to be their coach!

The fact that you have moved on and are still talking about it tells me that maybe you are a part of the problem with the team breaking up. I am with another team and I witnessed first hand The negativity of some of the Crabs parents. So, you weren’t happy; you moved on, should be end of story. Your relentless talk of coaches and players shows that their were many more problems than just coaching. You need to let it go.

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

Hawks big over 91
FCA over Looney's
Club Blue over Crabs
Next Level will win and qualify this weekend at the WSYL qualifier

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

Team 91 almost pulled the upset last week against Looney's; can they follow that up with a showing against the Hawks? Nope double digit win for Annapolis. #9 scored at least 5

Big Bad Looney's and their physical game against a smaller, more athletic FCA team minus their FOGO who is out for the year. Looney's by 3

Club Blue's first game in the HOCO league against a Crabs Team who everyone is considered dead; I'll ride the Crabs and their goaltending. Crabs by 2

Where is NL playing the qualifier?

Shameless goalie plug DC...shameless

Anyone else see the officiating go nuts on the first week... Make sure your kids sticks are in order... 3 minute un-releasable and beginning of the half already a man down cost Looney's 2 goals on the first weekend of games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

Team 91 almost pulled the upset last week against Looney's; can they follow that up with a showing against the Hawks? Nope double digit win for Annapolis. #9 scored at least 5

Big Bad Looney's and their physical game against a smaller, more athletic FCA team minus their FOGO who is out for the year. Looney's by 3

Club Blue's first game in the HOCO league against a Crabs Team who everyone is considered dead; I'll ride the Crabs and their goaltending. Crabs by 2

Where is NL playing the qualifier?

It is a Cedar Lane and the top four teams play at 1:50 based on the teams playing very likely NL will have a 1:50 game which would make it tough to play Sunday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shameless goalie plug DC...shameless

Best goaltender in the 23 division with Hawks a close second.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else see the officiating go nuts on the first week... Make sure your kids sticks are in order... 3 minute un-releasable and beginning of the half already a man down cost Looney's 2 goals on the first weekend of games

Almost as bad as the missed push with possession no-call against Looney's that led to a goal followed by a bench penalty on 91 for telling the Ref he missed a call. Sounds like things even out in the end.

Love when Dad's come on here and plug their kid.... Lame

Gave up ten goals...best?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else see the officiating go nuts on the first week... Make sure your kids sticks are in order... 3 minute un-releasable and beginning of the half already a man down cost Looney's 2 goals on the first weekend of games

91 was flagged for the same penalty yet were able to hold Looney’s to one goal. Don’t blame the refs if anything 91 was on the short end of that stick, pun intended.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

Team 91 almost pulled the upset last week against Looney's; can they follow that up with a showing against the Hawks? Nope double digit win for Annapolis. #9 scored at least 5

Big Bad Looney's and their physical game against a smaller, more athletic FCA team minus their FOGO who is out for the year. Looney's by 3

Club Blue's first game in the HOCO league against a Crabs Team who everyone is considered dead; I'll ride the Crabs and their goaltending. Crabs by 2

Where is NL playing the qualifier?

It is a Cedar Lane and the top four teams play at 1:50 based on the teams playing very likely NL will have a 1:50 game which would make it tough to play Sunday

Thank you! I could not find anything on Tourney Machine; would you happen to know who they are playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shameless goalie plug DC...shameless

Best goaltender in the 23 division with Hawks a close second.

Talk is cheap! Hawks goalie stats are legit!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shameless goalie plug DC...shameless

Best goaltender in the 23 division with Hawks a close second.

Just another dad onCrabs 2023 who thinks his son is better than he is. Learn how to clear a ball then you can trash talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shameless goalie plug DC...shameless

Best goaltender in the 23 division with Hawks a close second.

Put a 0 after that 1 and that is his Crabs goalie rank in the 2023 division!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shameless goalie plug DC...shameless

Best goaltender in the 23 division with Hawks a close second.

Talk is cheap! Hawks goalie stats are legit!

Better defense not a better save percentage; not even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shameless goalie plug DC...shameless

Best goaltender in the 23 division with Hawks a close second.

Talk is cheap! Hawks goalie stats are legit!

Better defense not a better save percentage; not even close.

Very true evaluation!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

Team 91 almost pulled the upset last week against Looney's; can they follow that up with a showing against the Hawks? Nope double digit win for Annapolis. #9 scored at least 5

Big Bad Looney's and their physical game against a smaller, more athletic FCA team minus their FOGO who is out for the year. Looney's by 3

Club Blue's first game in the HOCO league against a Crabs Team who everyone is considered dead; I'll ride the Crabs and their goaltending. Crabs by 2

Where is NL playing the qualifier?

It is a Cedar Lane and the top four teams play at 1:50 based on the teams playing very likely NL will have a 1:50 game which would make it tough to play Sunday

Thank you! I could not find anything on Tourney Machine; would you happen to know who they are playing?

The schedule is listed in the WSYL website under schedules. There are a few tough NJ/PA teams but missing all other Elite Div teams from MD two AA teams. It will be interesting how many go to CO and who those teams are.

True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs 11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs 11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

HAWKS are a team on and off the field. We have been on this team since u9 and I can only think of 1 kid/family that left the team on their own. That family went to the Crabs and now has left them, and they will leave their new team.

99% of the kids including mine could get significantly more playing time, scoring opportunities, expanded role at other Elite programs but we love our families and teammates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks
beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs 11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

HAWKS are a team on and off the field. We have been on this team since u9 and I can only think of 1 kid/family that left the team on their own. That family went to the Crabs and now has left them, and they will leave their new team.

99% of the kids including mine could get significantly more playing time, scoring opportunities, expanded role at other Elite programs but we love our families and teammates.

Hawks are a talented team with great kids and parents!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs

11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

I am not the players dad or even a Crabs dad but if you have any integrity at all do not by anonymous. You are calling out a specific player on a 7th grade team. This is a small world and people figure out who you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs

11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

I am not the players dad or even a Crabs dad but if you have any integrity at all do not by anonymous. You are calling out a specific player on a 7th grade team. This is a small world and people figure out who you are.

Don’t be discretionary now DC! You have made your bed! You seem to think it is OK to call out everyone else’s child by number so... maybe you need to think twice! How about you not remain anonymous and I won’t be either!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks

beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs

11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

I am not the players dad or even a Crabs dad but if you have any integrity at all do not by anonymous. You are calling out a specific player on a 7th grade team. This is a small world and people figure out who you are.

Wait...so you can call kids out by their dad and bu their number but you can’t call out a goalie? That is unacceptable! Sounds like someone’s feelings are hurt!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs

11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

I am not the players dad or even a Crabs dad but if you have any integrity at all do not by anonymous. You are calling out a specific player on a 7th grade team. This is a small world and people figure out who you are.

The word integrity eludes you! Now we are getting sensitive but you have consistently called out kids by numbers on teams as well as other goalies and you want to talk integrity! Yeah OK, let’s talk about your lack of integrity!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs

11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

I am not the players dad or even a Crabs dad but if you have any integrity at all do not by anonymous. You are calling out a specific player on a 7th grade team. This is a small world and people figure out who you are.

Yes, it is a small world. I already know who you are. The dad who has a contract with Crabs to be the only goalie. Is that clear enough for you. It’s great that Crabs have a second goalie to help them out when they are in a tough spot during the Championship. Is that kind enough for you?! You been much more unkind to players on and off of your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True - Hawks has a great defense. First half - goalie, crabs scored 1 - goalie made 3 saves. That equates to a 75% save percentage. Pretty good numbers. 4 goals scored in the 2nd half on a different goalie - who also made a few great saves.

Also - past few years - least amount of goals scored against the hawks in the division. Rings true for almost every tournament as well. Good defense, good goalies...

Seems people are talking only about Hawks beating Crabs in the first game this year - but they also beat Crabs 11-3 in Young Guns this past summer when the crabs team was intact and winning a lot....

Hawks seem to have good defense, good goalies and pretty good offense.
All around strong team.

And yes, I am a proud Hawks parent.

Thanks 1st half goalie's dad or mom or goalie himself

A goalie is only as strong as his defense.

It’s the mom -and you’re welcome. happy to provide real numbers as opposed to just talking about who’s who behind anonymity and how you feel at the time.

My post was in response to the one that said Hawks goalie is a close second to the crabs - only because of the strong defense. Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not - but calling out kids and parents is a little ridiculous. I never said anything negative about another player.

Goalie is a difficult position and every kid at every level should be given credit for being in the cage. They will all have good days and bad days.

They are not valued only by goals against (the only thing tracked and compared right now in hoco) or save percentage (which only a parent knows or someone actually taking stats from a film) but also by their leadership on the field, clearing the ball, opening up opportunities for transitions from defense to offense.

It is what it is.

From what club team(s) did brim have play goalie for his ACS team that won the D (sporting goods Store) National c-ship? How about for his Warrior all-American team that won it all?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the mom -and you’re welcome. happy to provide real numbers as opposed to just talking about who’s who behind anonymity and how you feel at the time.

My post was in response to the one that said Hawks goalie is a close second to the crabs - only because of the strong defense. Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not - but calling out kids and parents is a little ridiculous. I never said anything negative about another player.

Goalie is a difficult position and every kid at every level should be given credit for being in the cage. They will all have good days and bad days.

They are not valued only by goals against (the only thing tracked and compared right now in hoco) or save percentage (which only a parent knows or someone actually taking stats from a film) but also by their leadership on the field, clearing the ball, opening up opportunities for transitions from defense to offense.

It is what it is.

Does 2nd half goalie's mom read this site? Nice little dig that your kid was better that game.

Hawks goalie hands down is the best goalie in hoco 2023. Crabs #1 goalie is not in the same stratosphere as the hawks goalie. Read the above posts and hawks goalie is a stud.

BLC husky lefty defenseman is best in hoco 2023.

Hawks big right handed middie/attack is best in hoco 2023.

Next level tall middie is best fogo in hoco 2023.

Crabs lefty attachkman is best in hoco 2023.

All hoco 2023 teams are solid this year. I think it will come down to hawks and next level for the best team this season.

I don’t know - and it wasn’t a dig. I don’t pay as close attention to shots and saves when my son isn’t in the goal. I cheer my team on. We are a happy team - really no drama. But thanks for trying to start some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks goalie hands down is the best goalie in hoco 2023. Crabs #1 goalie is not in the same stratosphere as the hawks goalie. Read the above posts and hawks goalie is a stud.

BLC husky lefty defenseman is best in hoco 2023.

Hawks big right handed middie/attack is best in hoco 2023.

Next level tall middie is best fogo in hoco 2023.

Crabs lefty attachkman is best in hoco 2023.

All hoco 2023 teams are solid this year. I think it will come down to hawks and next level for the best team this season.

Thanks Hawks Goalie dad; put the beer away and stay away for the keyboard. Could be the worst [ChillLaxin] of HOCO talent I have read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what club team(s) did brim have play goalie for his ACS team that won the D (sporting goods Store) National c-ship? How about for his Warrior all-American team that won it all?

Lol that’s because Crabs goalie dad hates Brim. Lord are you delusional.

Same goes for you DC. Does the second half crabs goalie know how much you talk about how good your son is. Nice dig towards him and his parents. Typical DC creating drama and leading the parent drama. Better start looking for another team next season - King crab won’t put up with your nonsense. Call your drama buddies Steele and Johnson (team hoppers) and take Raley and Smith (holdback dads) with you.

Crabs goalie dad use to love brim. Brim did not put his son on the ACS team and I heard he threw a fit. Brim and Stover made the right choices with goalie selections. Poor Crabs goalie dad just keeps digging a bigger hole for himself and his son. What a disgrace.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what club team(s) did brim have play goalie for his ACS team that won the D (sporting goods Store) National c-ship? How about for his Warrior all-American team that won it all?

Lol that’s because Crabs goalie dad hates Brim. Lord are you delusional.

Yeah, he hates him because his son was replaced. Not only for an awful attitude towards teammates but also because the two goalies earned their spots and are better than him. We all know how Crabs goalie hates to share time or have any competition that may show a weakness. Letting in 11 goals during a Championship game really speaks volumes!
I’m sure the feeling is mutual between Brim and DC! I mean c’mon what does brim need that guy around for. Stop riding coat tails and move on, there is nothing more he can do for you!

A goalie's save percentage is figured by dividing number of saves by shots on goal. A high or wide shot doesn't count as a shot on goal. Goals Allowed is a different stat and has no bearing on save percentage.

Wow. I reality show following the parents of 2023 hoco elite would be ratings gold.

I wouldn't say 23 Elite. If you pay attention, it all centers on one team/club. Crabs is a breeding ground for drama, especially this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. I reality show following the parents of 2023 hoco elite would be ratings gold.

All of Baltimore would be glued to the TV watching it ! First advertiser would be Flat Brim Hats R Us .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what club team(s) did brim have play goalie for his ACS team that won the D (sporting goods Store) National c-ship? How about for his Warrior all-American team that won it all?

Lol that’s because Crabs goalie dad hates Brim. Lord are you delusional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what club team(s) did brim have play goalie for his ACS team that won the D (sporting goods Store) National c-ship? How about for his Warrior all-American team that won it all?

Lol that’s because Crabs goalie dad hates Brim. Lord are you delusional.

You act as if people would know your drama. You seem to think people actually care. Why is someone delusional because they don’t know your petty drama. The only reason you remain somewhat relevant is because you [ChillLaxin] yourself with the coach and his team, thus creating some delusion that people care. If you stopped talking BS about this guy it would be as if you dropped off the face of the earth. It is the only thing you have going for you. I don’t like this coach my son doesn’t play for him. Blah blah blah...so what are you doing now? The answer is nothing. You are irrelevant and you are the delusional one!

Quit calling out players you motherlaxplayerers. JFC. These are 7th grade boys and most of them read this forum.

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same goes for you DC. Does the second half crabs goalie know how much you talk about how good your son is. Nice dig towards him and his parents. Typical DC creating drama and leading the parent drama. Better start looking for another team next season - King crab won’t put up with your nonsense. Call your drama buddies Steele and Johnson (team hoppers) and take Raley and Smith (holdback dads) with you.

OMG.... she is having a field day.....Stay classy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow. I reality show following the parents of 2023 hoco elite would be ratings gold.

All of Baltimore would be glued to the TV watching it ! First advertiser would be Flat Brim Hats R Us .

Well considering it is last years drama it wouldn’t make for much of a reality show. I guess it is all you have to hold on to! Seems like being a second string goalie or moving to another team to be second possibly third string was in your cards all along. You have nothing interesting or new going on in your life. Sad but definitely not tv show worthy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.

Considering this guy isn’t even coaching and most of the rants are based around the goalies dad and his kid...it is very obvious where the drama comes from. When he is gone most of it will subside. I feel sorry for the new kids and parents. Steer clear of this guy on the sidelines. He will do nothing but speak negatively about players and coaches alike. I [ChillLaxin] you; you want nothing to do with the drama he brings to the table. Separate yourself unless you want a miserable season. Focus on your kid and be a positive influence for the players. They will need it with this guy lurking in the end zones!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.

Considering this guy isn’t even coaching and most of the rants are based around the goalies dad and his kid...it is very obvious where the drama comes from. When he is gone most of it will subside. I feel sorry for the new kids and parents. Steer clear of this guy on the sidelines. He will do nothing but speak negatively about players and coaches alike. I [ChillLaxin] you; you want nothing to do with the drama he brings to the table. Separate yourself unless you want a miserable season. Focus on your kid and be a positive influence for the players. They will need it with this guy lurking in the end zones!

Don't drag the Hawks into this... this is a Crabs issue. These posters are disgruntled Crabs parents and other Crabs parents trolling. No Hawks parents calling kids out on here.

Wow... I am truly embarrassed for the Hawks and Crabs organizations. You have shown your true colors on this page.....Your parents are an embarrassment and I truly feel sorry for your kids. Buyer beware with these 2023 teams.... Complete train wrek

So brim ousted as a 2023 coach ... goalie dad wins, sort of ... but second goalie brought onto crabs ... but brim goes on to coach all stars teams to victory using different goalies ... must really be fun on sidelines with those two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.

Considering this guy isn’t even coaching and most of the rants are based around the goalies dad and his kid...it is very obvious where the drama comes from. When he is gone most of it will subside. I feel sorry for the new kids and parents. Steer clear of this guy on the sidelines. He will do nothing but speak negatively about players and coaches alike. I [ChillLaxin] you; you want nothing to do with the drama he brings to the table. Separate yourself unless you want a miserable season. Focus on your kid and be a positive influence for the players. They will need it with this guy lurking in the end zones!

Don't drag the Hawks into this... this is a Crabs issue. These posters are disgruntled Crabs parents and other Crabs parents trolling. No Hawks parents calling kids out on here.

Just parents who are not involved in these discussions I guess..........embarrassing either way. Sometimes it is better just to not reply

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.

Considering this guy isn’t even coaching and most of the rants are based around the goalies dad and his kid...it is very obvious where the drama comes from. When he is gone most of it will subside. I feel sorry for the new kids and parents. Steer clear of this guy on the sidelines. He will do nothing but speak negatively about players and coaches alike. I [ChillLaxin] you; you want nothing to do with the drama he brings to the table. Separate yourself unless you want a miserable season. Focus on your kid and be a positive influence for the players. They will need it with this guy lurking in the end zones!

Don't kid yourself... The guy that you are talking about is not the problem. The other parents that someone carelessly listed are good people as well. Whoever is doing this is very evil and calculated.

Maybe Flat Brim can go coach 91 Md and take the attackman, other goalie, and some players from his all star team with him. He would make it an instant contender. Same way he did out of the blue with Crabs 2023 in 5th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So brim ousted as a 2023 coach ... goalie dad wins, sort of ... but second goalie brought onto crabs ... but brim goes on to coach all stars teams to victory using different goalies ... must really be fun on sidelines with those two.

The ACS team is only for Brim... It feeds his ego and then he is able to more easily put his kid on the "All Tournament" teams since he coaches the team.....Freaking hilarious if you buy into the BS on this ACS team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Flat Brim can go coach 91 Md and take the attackman, other goalie, and some players from his all star team with him. He would make it an instant contender. Same way he did out of the blue with Crabs 2023 in 5th grade.

Brim has moved on to coach other teams. He does not [ChillLaxin] himself with the goalie dad but rather stays to himself on the sidelines. I have witnessed and listened to a lot of things the the goalie dad and the other parents that were carelessly listed on this forum have said. I personally am disgusted by it. I know brim as you call him is very outspoken, so if he wanted to, he would let you know his thoughts. He is not known as someone who would hold back his thoughts; anonymously at that. I’m sure that’s why most people don’t like him. I know he has disassociated himself with the negativity. Don’t be disillusioned by a dysfunctional dad who is known to be nothing but drama. I am certain he is behind 90% of these posts. Maybe trying to get his own reality show. Who knows. Once this guy is gone and off of this team....there will be minimal drama!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.

Considering this guy isn’t even coaching and most of the rants are based around the goalies dad and his kid...it is very obvious where the drama comes from. When he is gone most of it will subside. I feel sorry for the new kids and parents. Steer clear of this guy on the sidelines. He will do nothing but speak negatively about players and coaches alike. I [ChillLaxin] you; you want nothing to do with the drama he brings to the table. Separate yourself unless you want a miserable season. Focus on your kid and be a positive influence for the players. They will need it with this guy lurking in the end zones!

Don't kid yourself... The guy that you are talking about is not the problem. The other parents that someone carelessly listed are good people as well. Whoever is doing this is very evil and calculated.

Whoever is posting this is also very entertaining please keep going

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.

Considering this guy isn’t even coaching and most of the rants are based around the goalies dad and his kid...it is very obvious where the drama comes from. When he is gone most of it will subside. I feel sorry for the new kids and parents. Steer clear of this guy on the sidelines. He will do nothing but speak negatively about players and coaches alike. I [ChillLaxin] you; you want nothing to do with the drama he brings to the table. Separate yourself unless you want a miserable season. Focus on your kid and be a positive influence for the players. They will need it with this guy lurking in the end zones!

Don't kid yourself... The guy that you are talking about is not the problem. The other parents that someone carelessly listed are good people as well. Whoever is doing this is very evil and calculated.

Yes he is! Your friend the goalie dad. Drama should be non existent. There is a new coach, new parents. The remaining factor is this guy. He perpetuates drama because of shared goalie time. Anyone who knows him understands this. Everyone but this guy has moved on. How can people not see this!

Is the goalie leaving crabs after this year? I'm sure plenty of other clubs would love to have him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the 'discussions' going on between Crabs and Hawks I can honestly say I am glad my son is not playing for either team!! Everything wrong with Youth Lacrosse can be summed up in the previous two page rants.

All because one goalie dad doesn’t get his way. His son has to share time with another kid. It won’t be like this when he is gone next year. He keeps the drama going. People are fed up with his antics.
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Considering this guy isn’t even coaching and most of the rants are based around the goalies dad and his kid...it is very obvious where the drama comes from. When he is gone most of it will subside. I feel sorry for the new kids and parents. Steer clear of this guy on the sidelines. He will do nothing but speak negatively about players and coaches alike. I [ChillLaxin] you; you want nothing to do with the drama he brings to the table. Separate yourself unless you want a miserable season. Focus on your kid and be a positive influence for the players. They will need it with this guy lurking in the end zones!
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Don't kid yourself... The guy that you are talking about is not the problem. The other parents that someone carelessly listed are good people as well. Whoever is doing this is very evil and calculated. [/quote]

Yes he is! Your friend the goalie dad. Drama should be non existent. There is a new coach, new parents. The remaining factor is this guy. He perpetuates drama because of shared goalie time. Anyone who knows him understands this. Everyone but this guy has moved on. How can people not see this!
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Crabs Goaltending > Hawks Goaltending......better parenting along with it!!

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

To the parents who were carelessly called out on this forum, I encourage you to go directly to the Club owner. He will give valuable insight about the goalie dad antics. I 100% guarantee you he wrote the post about his own friends so he can blame someone else...in the name of anonymity. Do not create drama for yourself or your son because of some anonymous posts on an anonymous forum. The boys on this team genuinely like eachother and get along. The team is starting to come together. This is all so uneccesary. I encourage you before you believe anything call RM for some insight!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

It is within the rules! Get better and hit the wall if you dont like it. Playing against older competition will make you better, stop moaning!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

It is within the rules! Get better and hit the wall if you dont like it. Playing against older competition will make you better, stop moaning!

Word

A few folks had a hum dinger of a day yesterday spreading hate and discontent in Crab and Hawksland....Hope you guys slept well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few folks had a hum dinger of a day yesterday spreading hate and discontent in Crab and Hawksland....Hope you guys slept well

For most of us not involved with Crabs or Hawks could someone on each side summarize their talking points to help us understand . No back and forth. Just a one page summary from each side. Then we can ALL move on.

In summary
The Crabs and Hawks are the two strongest programs in the 2023 graduation year (Don't say age, it is a trigger word). In turn, parents try to establish why they are so dominate. Many reasons why but they simply have more talent then the other teams in the area. Both teams have great goalies, fantastic attackmen and excellent defenders. Coaching at this level is pretty consistent from team to team with some having specialization.

Everything else is an excuse for why their child's team loses to them. My kid has beaten and lost to both teams.

For the record, the father called FB promotes his son and is highly respected which is why he draws so much attention. I think it is jealousy but my exposure to him has been short.

Not a Crabs or Hawks Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

It is within the rules! Get better and hit the wall if you dont like it. Playing against older competition will make you better, stop moaning!

not complaining about weather it was within the rules, just stating that Crabs WILL bring 2-4 players from the 2022 team, who re-classed, down to the 2023 team this summer. Kids who get limited time now won't see any in the summer. Does CRABS advise parents of this before they make their payments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In summary
The Crabs and Hawks are the two strongest programs in the 2023 graduation year (Don't say age, it is a trigger word). In turn, parents try to establish why they are so dominate. Many reasons why but they simply have more talent then the other teams in the area. Both teams have great goalies, fantastic attackmen and excellent defenders. Coaching at this level is pretty consistent from team to team with some having specialization.

Everything else is an excuse for why their child's team loses to them. My kid has beaten and lost to both teams.

For the record, the father called FB promotes his son and is highly respected which is why he draws so much attention. I think it is jealousy but my exposure to him has been short.

Not a Crabs or Hawks Dad

Both my boys have been coached by FB at different points through years. the guy is a piece of work, great coach though! I have never had an issue with how he coached or dealt with and interacted with my kids or any players on either of their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

It is within the rules! Get better and hit the wall if you dont like it. Playing against older competition will make you better, stop moaning!

not complaining about weather it was within the rules, just stating that Crabs WILL bring 2-4 players from the 2022 team, who re-classed, down to the 2023 team this summer. Kids who get limited time now won't see any in the summer. Does CRABS advise parents of this before they make their payments?

What is interesting is that it is against the rules in their own tournament (Young Guns) to have a kid in the grade he'll reclass to in the fall. They had something on the player registration last year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A few folks had a hum dinger of a day yesterday spreading hate and discontent in Crab and Hawksland....Hope you guys slept well

It was the best episode of the Real Lacrosse Parents of the DMV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In summary
The Crabs and Hawks are the two strongest programs in the 2023 graduation year (Don't say age, it is a trigger word). In turn, parents try to establish why they are so dominate. Many reasons why but they simply have more talent then the other teams in the area. Both teams have great goalies, fantastic attackmen and excellent defenders. Coaching at this level is pretty consistent from team to team with some having specialization.

Everything else is an excuse for why their child's team loses to them. My kid has beaten and lost to both teams.

For the record, the father called FB promotes his son and is highly respected which is why he draws so much attention. I think it is jealousy but my exposure to him has been short.

Not a Crabs or Hawks Dad

Both my boys have been coached by FB at different points through years. the guy is a piece of work, great coach though! I have never had an issue with how he coached or dealt with and interacted with my kids or any players on either of their teams.

Could you possibly enlighten us why so many of the boys from that 2023 team left?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In summary
The Crabs and Hawks are the two strongest programs in the 2023 graduation year (Don't say age, it is a trigger word). In turn, parents try to establish why they are so dominate. Many reasons why but they simply have more talent then the other teams in the area. Both teams have great goalies, fantastic attackmen and excellent defenders. Coaching at this level is pretty consistent from team to team with some having specialization.

Everything else is an excuse for why their child's team loses to them. My kid has beaten and lost to both teams.

For the record, the father called FB promotes his son and is highly respected which is why he draws so much attention. I think it is jealousy but my exposure to him has been short.

Not a Crabs or Hawks Dad

Both my boys have been coached by FB at different points through years. the guy is a piece of work, great coach though! I have never had an issue with how he coached or dealt with and interacted with my kids or any players on either of their teams.

Could you possibly enlighten us why so many of the boys from that 2023 team left?

I will not get into the reason why we left but I will tell you that after reading the crap on this site we were smiling ear to ear last night. Good decision on our part... Maybe definitely....

As I said, he coached my boys through the years. I have no idea why kids from the 2023 team left.

I heard he wasn't the head coach. Maybe if people really want to know why, they should ask someone

from the Crabs organization. I was hoping that we could move on from talking about the Crabs 2023

team from last year. Myself and most people come on here to talk about current seasons and stats.

Let's refrain from coach/team/kid bashing and talk about the upcoming games this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In summary
The Crabs and Hawks are the two strongest programs in the 2023 graduation year (Don't say age, it is a trigger word). In turn, parents try to establish why they are so dominate. Many reasons why but they simply have more talent then the other teams in the area. Both teams have great goalies, fantastic attackmen and excellent defenders. Coaching at this level is pretty consistent from team to team with some having specialization.

Everything else is an excuse for why their child's team loses to them. My kid has beaten and lost to both teams.

For the record, the father called FB promotes his son and is highly respected which is why he draws so much attention. I think it is jealousy but my exposure to him has been short.

Not a Crabs or Hawks Dad

Both my boys have been coached by FB at different points through years. the guy is a piece of work, great coach though! I have never had an issue with how he coached or dealt with and interacted with my kids or any players on either of their teams.

Could you possibly enlighten us why so many of the boys from that 2023 team left?

he no longer coaches any of my kids, so no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was he teaching your boys plays or was he teaching your boys how to play? Don't believe he ever saw the field at UMBC.

Right. Because Bill Belichick was an all pro football player. What an asinine statement. Certainly don't have to have been a star player in a sport to teach it. And I can't stand FB but come on.

Doug Pederson - career third string QB, kick off tee retriever, super bowl champion coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Was he teaching your boys plays or was he teaching your boys how to play? Don't believe he ever saw the field at UMBC.

Right. Because Bill Belichick was an all pro football player. What an ridiculous statement. Certainly don't have to have been a star player in a sport to teach it. And I can't stand FB but come on.

I know why you remain anonymous. Your obsession with this guy and his kid could land you in jail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doug Pederson - career third string QB, kick off tee retriever, super bowl champion coach

Charlie Weiss

So does playing against younger kids make you worse? Cheating...only sport that allows it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Was he teaching your boys plays or was he teaching your boys how to play? Don't believe he ever saw the field at UMBC.

Right. Because Bill Belichick was an all pro football player. What an ridiculous statement. Certainly don't have to have been a star player in a sport to teach it. And I can't stand FB but come on.

I know why you remain anonymous. Your obsession with this guy and his kid could land you in jail.

You're too - to realize this comment was related to coaching offensive lacrosse skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Was he teaching your boys plays or was he teaching your boys how to play? Don't believe he ever saw the field at UMBC.

Right. Because Bill Belichick was an all pro football player. What an ridiculous statement. Certainly don't have to have been a star player in a sport to teach it. And I can't stand FB but come on.

I know why you remain anonymous. Your obsession with this guy and his kid could land you in jail.

As has been obvious for a while and previously noted, this forum tends to attract a lot of disgruntled parents. The big programs are a frequent target of pissed off comments from parents (RM/MM/MLax/Dad coaches!/holdbacks!/Looneys mom’s/Hawks/FCA) and shocker those teams seem to thrive. My son plays for one of them and loves every minute. Kids on those teams and their parents probBly a better place to look for real advice about programs. Join your kids and enjoy the spring (whenever it arrives)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

It is within the rules! Get better and hit the wall if you dont like it. Playing against older competition will make you better, stop moaning!

Curious, are you planning on having your kid hit the wall and move up this summer so he can get better playing against older competition?

And can we talk about the other teams and hardworking boys, not just the "elite".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And can we talk about the other teams and hardworking boys, not just the "elite".

Evergreen undefeated at 2022 and 2023 after first weekend of play!

Why was the post from the 26 dad/coach retracted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just wait till the tournaments this summer, when king crab brings the re-classed players onto the team. Will probably be 2-4 players who will re-class (repeat 8th grade) and then be placed the 2023 team this summer.

It is within the rules! Get better and hit the wall if you dont like it. Playing against older competition will make you better, stop moaning!

Curious, are you planning on having your kid hit the wall and move up this summer so he can get better playing against older competition?

Of course not ! There is something called, go by grade, not age. That means I am within rules . 4 months earlier than age cutoff is not that much. Now go hit the wall and stop moaning !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And can we talk about the other teams and hardworking boys, not just the "elite".

Evergreen undefeated at 2022 and 2023 after first weekend of play!

Only N.VA team to win a HOCO game this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

After sifting through all the previous BS between the Crabs and Hawks can we get back to discussing this weekends games?

Hawks run through 91; I believe this two teams played in the fall and Hawks won by 10+
FCA I think has the more talented team; just not sure how they will handle the size of Looney's; however Team 91 was able to.
Crabs bounced back after a poor performance against the Hawks and beats Club Blue; I feel both these teams may have regressed this year.

Who is the team to beat in AA? South River again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok 2023 weeks 2; who you got?

Hawks vs 91
FCA vs Looney's
Crabs vs Club Blue

Next Level and BLC not of the schedule and NL has yet to play a game in HOCO this year.

After sifting through all the previous BS between the Crabs and Hawks can we get back to discussing this weekends games?

Hawks run through 91; I believe this two teams played in the fall and Hawks won by 10+
FCA I think has the more talented team; just not sure how they will handle the size of Looney's; however Team 91 was able to.
Crabs bounced back after a poor performance against the Hawks and beats Club Blue; I feel both these teams may have regressed this year.

Who is the team to beat in AA? South River again?

FCA is much more talented than most teams. Definitely the team to beat. FCA by 5 goals this week

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And can we talk about the other teams and hardworking boys, not just the "elite".

Evergreen undefeated at 2022 and 2023 after first weekend of play!

Only N.VA team to win a HOCO game this season.

Glorified rec program playing in the "rec-like"' divisions. Nobody cares.

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Was he teaching your boys plays or was he teaching your boys how to play? Don't believe he ever saw the field at UMBC.

Right. Because Bill Belichick was an all pro football player. What an ridiculous statement. Certainly don't have to have been a star player in a sport to teach it. And I can't stand FB but come on.

I know why you remain anonymous. Your obsession with this guy and his kid could land you in jail.

You're too - to realize this comment was related to coaching offensive lacrosse skills.

Belichick was a defenseman, so doubt he would coach the offense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Where are the scores posted?

world series of youth lacrosse website under east regional qualifier schedule and standings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Finishing 6th out of 10 teams gets you to Denver?? Pretty prestigious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Finishing 6th out of 10 teams gets you to Denver?? Pretty prestigious.

I'm pretty sure only the top 5 are going to Denver.

Scores from today?

Hawks big over 91
Looneys by 1 over fca

Someone said fca faceoff was hurt. Whoever took face offs was good

Cavs..you may not be going to Denver may not be going to Denver but what a tent. Karma is a B

There main face off guy played... and did well.

Did Crabs win.

FOGO from FCA was on 91 last year and makes runs at times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs..you may not be going to Denver may not be going to Denver but what a tent. Karma is a B

Does this mean they are no longer ranked #16 in the country?

Crabs was winning at half time and scored many nice goals. Heard crabs lost by 4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks big over 91
Looneys by 1 over fca

Someone said fca faceoff was hurt. Whoever took face offs was good

Looney’s parent here who knows the FCA FOGO family. The kid broke his thumb and has been out for 4 weeks I believe. This was his first game back and he definitely was a bright spot for FCA; we didn’t have an answer for him. FCA couldn’t handle our physicality and that was the difference in the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOGO from FCA was on 91 last year and makes runs at times.

I watched this game and he did more than make a run....he dominated. Where looneys was better in this game was its midfield play and they were the more physical team. FCA had a lot of turnovers which was surprising and this game could have gone either way but in the end mistakes by FCA cost them the game.

Hawks just dismantled 91; I don’t see anyone taking down the hawks.

Im from LI. Which MD teams qualified for WSYL? BTW. I am not a supporter of WSYL!

2023 crabs with B as a coach went 12-0 in the regular season over two years on HoCo. This year 0-2 without B. Bet those parents wish he was coaching now.

Did the good Maryland teams boycott the WSYL qualifier? If so, why? Just curious.

Get the popcorn ready for Crabs v Looneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the good Maryland teams boycott the WSYL qualifier? If so, why? Just curious.

None of the teams can qualify for any age-based event.

Knocked out by Tristate
4 teams going Next Level, Tristate, BBL and Team 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Karma... Cavs were first team out. Not going to Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOGO from FCA was on 91 last year and makes runs at times.

I watched this game and he did more than make a run....he dominated. Where looneys was better in this game was its midfield play and they were the more physical team. FCA had a lot of turnovers which was surprising and this game could have gone either way but in the end mistakes by FCA cost them the game.

Hawks just dismantled 91; I don’t see anyone taking down the hawks.

Game really shouldn't have been that close. Agreed about the FCA turnovers. Looney's played the more complete game. However, had the refs flagged all the late hits by Looney's, game might have had different result.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the good Maryland teams boycott the WSYL qualifier? If so, why? Just curious.

It's not so much that they boycotted the qualifier, it's their 7th grade teams have too many kids that don't meet the age qualification and they don't want to send their 6th grade teams.

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though if they don't practice man-to-man defense with slides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the good Maryland teams boycott the WSYL qualifier? If so, why? Just curious.

It's not so much that they boycotted the qualifier, it's their 7th grade teams have too many kids that don't meet the age qualification and they don't want to send their 6th grade teams.

Fake news! The best team there is a MD Elite Division team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Don’t worry. They know how.

The Hawks were as advertised. Big, athletic, skilled. Our boys had no chance yesterday. We ended early enough to catch the end of FCA/Looney's. Looney's was also big and athletic. I'm looking forward to that matchup. Hope I get to watch it. I think Looney's can match up.

What role did the head coach play in the break up of the 2023 crabs? He was the head coach for the successful 5th and 6th grade years, which included the 91 bandits. Now he is gone. This team could not even beat freedom in the fall.

Even more ridiculous because the goals meant nothing for tiebreaker purposes....Total points was 4th on the list for potential tiebreaker scenarios and only +3 at the max, so a score of 3 - 0 or 100 - 0 would have been treated exactly the same...Although there were a few hiccups along the way for some teams, I think that the final standings are pretty accurate. There were some very good games played over the weekend, especially between the top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores and cannot believe the coach/ Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Karma... Cavs were first team out. Not going to Denver.

Even more ridiculous because the goals meant nothing for tiebreaker purposes....Total points was 4th on the list for potential tiebreaker scenarios and only +3 at the max, so a score of 3 - 0 or 100 - 0 would have been treated exactly the same...Although there were a few hiccups along the way for some teams, I think that the final standings are pretty accurate. There were some very good games played over the weekend, especially between the top teams.

Are the top four or top five going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Karma is a B. Cavs were first team out. Not going to Denver.

Even more ridiculous because the goals meant nothing for tiebreaker purposes....Total points was 4th on the list for potential tiebreaker scenarios and only +3 at the max, so a score of 3 - 0 or 100 - 0 would have been treated exactly the same...Although there were a few hiccups along the way for some teams, I think that the final standings are pretty accurate. There were some very good games played over the weekend, especially between the top teams.

This was the best tournament that the CAVs will ever be in and they came in 6th. So yes they will continue to play in B & C level tournament instead of trying to play against good (not great) teams to get better. BUT WAIT they had the best tent out there, HANDS DOWN

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Karma... Cavs were first team out. Not going to Denver.

Even more ridiculous because the goals meant nothing for tiebreaker purposes....Total points was 4th on the list for potential tiebreaker scenarios and only +3 at the max, so a score of 3 - 0 or 100 - 0 would have been treated exactly the same...Although there were a few hiccups along the way for some teams, I think that the final standings are pretty accurate. There were some very good games played over the weekend, especially between the top teams.

Are the top four or top five going?

Top 5 teams go. By the way, CONGRATULATIONS to Next Level 2023 team that went undefeated this weekend in the qualifications.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't practice man-to-man defense with slides.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at WSYL scores is the Cavs coach really that big of a DB? Jesus even JS would have pulled in the reins at 15

Total low class coaching and team. Never spun the ball when game was out of hand. Parents cheering as then continued scoring in last minutes of the game. Kids shooting during 5 second count down for the game. Parent upset when a guy called them out on it. Goals scored means nothing in tie breakers. Pretty sad.

I agree the score may have been out of line but these kids are parents are going to Denver

Karma is a B. Cavs were first team out. Not going to Denver.

Even more ridiculous because the goals meant nothing for tiebreaker purposes....Total points was 4th on the list for potential tiebreaker scenarios and only +3 at the max, so a score of 3 - 0 or 100 - 0 would have been treated exactly the same...Although there were a few hiccups along the way for some teams, I think that the final standings are pretty accurate. There were some very good games played over the weekend, especially between the top teams.

Are the top four or top five going?

Top 5 - Saltwater knocked out Cavs in 5th place game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks were as advertised. Big, athletic, skilled. Our boys had no chance yesterday. We ended early enough to catch the end of FCA/Looney's. Looney's was also big and athletic. I'm looking forward to that matchup. Hope I get to watch it. I think Looney's can match up.

Hawks vs Looney's April 22 @ 3pm
Ought to be a great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks were as advertised. Big, athletic, skilled. Our boys had no chance yesterday. We ended early enough to catch the end of FCA/Looney's. Looney's was also big and athletic. I'm looking forward to that matchup. Hope I get to watch it. I think Looney's can match up.

Hawks vs Looney's April 22 @ 3pm
Ought to be a great game.

Hawks by 6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the good Maryland teams boycott the WSYL qualifier? If so, why? Just curious.

It's not so much that they boycotted the qualifier, it's their 7th grade teams have too many kids that don't meet the age qualification and they don't want to send their 6th grade teams.

Fake news! The best team there is a MD Elite Division team.

So what? Crabs isn't there because of this. Hawks aren't there because of this. Sure, one HOCO Elite team showed up. Great. Haven't played a league game yet.

Certainly isn't the only reason. But Crabs had to retool their roster in 2015 when they went and they got destroyed by a Team 91 Crush team that didn't have to retool. The top-level MD teams see that, and that's why most of them don't go. The hold-back phenomenon hasn't taken nearly as big a hold on Long Island, and that's one reason why those teams dominate that age-based tournament. Plus, they do play really good lacrosse up there.

Plus, there are a lot of great tournaments in the area. You don't have to travel to play great competition when you're in the mid-Atlantic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Against an over matched opponent like 91 did they really play zone?

No one in MD can beat the Hawks. We missed their game yesterday but saw them for week one. They look like a good HS team with size, speed, advanced play and excellent keeper play.

The only thing you could hear in the stands were parents complaining about playing time. They may have had 28 players and five coaches. Infighting is the only thing that can bring them down.

How could the team that just beat 91 by one goal be competition for a team that could have scored 30 yesterday against that same 91 team?

Tell me if I am right but has Loonies ever beaten Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Then it's an even sillier statement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was winning at half time and one player. Scored many nice goals. Had to leave a half. Heard crabs lost by 4. Club blue middie went off I heard in the 4th qtr.

Wow, so one kid leaves, and the whole team apparently fell apart. I guess if he's so vital to their success and these coaches are so talented, they might want to make a game plan that doesn't rely on just one kid.

Just wondering if the Crabs changed anything at half ..Might also have been a factor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks were as advertised. Big, athletic, skilled. Our boys had no chance yesterday. We ended early enough to catch the end of FCA/Looney's. Looney's was also big and athletic. I'm looking forward to that matchup. Hope I get to watch it. I think Looney's can match up.

Hawks vs Looney's April 22 @ 3pm
Ought to be a great game.

Looney's is going to expose the Holdbacks. Let's go!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How could the team that just beat 91 by one goal be competition for a team that could have scored 30 yesterday against that same 91 team?

Tell me if I am right but has Loonies ever beaten Hawks?

No. They have played twice and lost both times. Hawks are the best team at this grade level and I am not affiliated with them. It will take a great effort for any of the Elite teams to take them down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Then it's an even sillier statement

What's silly is your understanding of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Against an over matched opponent like 91 did they really play zone?

yep

Who ever said "yep" either didn't watch the game or doesn't know what a zone looks like? They played man to man 85% of the time. That being said they didn't have to play much defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Against an over matched opponent like 91 did they really play zone?

yep

Ok then, you watched a different game entirely. There was some zone, but there was a lot of on high ball pressure and pressure behind. Team 91 kids were stripped of possession over and over far outside what a packed 3-3 zone could produce- and I am not bashing 91. They worked hard and undoubtedly are good players. How amazing is it that when a team loses against the Hawks, they blame it on the Hawks' defensive schemes and somehow indict them over this? When has this been a thing? Hawks are good. Teams need to adjust against zones, man to man, and everything in between. Maybe someone will beat them, maybe not. That is why you play the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who ever said "yep" either didn't watch the game or doesn't know what a zone looks like? They played man to man 85% of the time. That being said they didn't have to play much defense.

The question was - 'did they really play zone?' - and the answer is yes. You even admit it in your response - if they played man 85% of the time then they would have played zone the other 15% of the time. And in my estimation it was more like 60/40.

By the way, hawks parents are some of the most RN people I've seen at a lacrosse game in a while.

(quote)Top 5 teams go. By the way, CONGRATULATIONS to Next Level 2023 team that went undefeated this weekend in the qualifications.
Next Level good team but I thought 4 teams were invited...Next Level, Tristate, Team 5 and BBL. BBL and Tristate good game to watch...

There has been a lot of talk on this Forum about HOLDBACKs and how they are ruining the game. This weekend at the WSYL qualifiers in MD, there were numerous kids that were 6 feet and taller, some kids are definitely shaving (as you could see the 5 o'clock shadow). I mean real big boys!!!

All of these kids regardless of their MS class are 2023 age appropriate, but would be abused by the HOLDBACK Bashers on this site. So next time you see a tall kid that is really good, why don't you find out his age before calling out his name or number

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be a very boring season for the Hawks goalies.

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Then it's an even sillier statement

What's silly is your understanding of the game.

Oh, please tell me your vast knowledge of team and individual defense. I am going to pop some corn right now and grab a soda, so I will be ready for your enlightened response. I assume you are smarter than the men that are coaching your son, so am curious to see what you have to say. I just hope I'm able to understand what you say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thats what happens when you play a 3-3 zone at this age. Will come back to bite those defensemen though when they don't know how to play defense.

Silly statement, sounds like your kid's team must have lost to the Hawks.

Actually my kid is on the hawks.

Then it's an even sillier statement

What's silly is your understanding of the game.

Oh, please tell me your vast knowledge of team and individual defense. I am going to pop some corn right now and grab a soda, so I will be ready for your enlightened response. I assume you are smarter than the men that are coaching your son, so am curious to see what you have to say. I just hope I'm able to understand what you say.

That's the silliest statement yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who ever said "yep" either didn't watch the game or doesn't know what a zone looks like? They played man to man 85% of the time. That being said they didn't have to play much defense.

The question was - 'did they really play zone?' - and the answer is yes. You even admit it in your response - if they played man 85% of the time then they would have played zone the other 15% of the time. And in my estimation it was more like 60/40.

By the way, hawks parents are some of the most RN people I've seen at a lacrosse game in a while.

who cares how much they played zone? 15%? 25? 53.58%? can explain why you care? Ridiculous and embarrassing. Nothing the Hawks have done in the last two games have been gimicky, illegal, unsportsmanlike, or ill advised, either on the offensive end or the defensive end or their ride. This is called "playing lacrosse." Would people care if they played Zone 65% and lost? or 10% of the time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who ever said "yep" either didn't watch the game or doesn't know what a zone looks like? They played man to man 85% of the time. That being said they didn't have to play much defense.

The question was - 'did they really play zone?' - and the answer is yes. You even admit it in your response - if they played man 85% of the time then they would have played zone the other 15% of the time. And in my estimation it was more like 60/40.

By the way, hawks parents are some of the most RN people I've seen at a lacrosse game in a while.

who cares how much they played zone? 15%? 25? 53.58%? can explain why you care? Ridiculous and embarrassing. Nothing the Hawks have done in the last two games have been gimicky, illegal, unsportsmanlike, or ill advised, either on the offensive end or the defensive end or their ride. This is called "playing lacrosse." Would people care if they played Zone 65% and lost? or 10% of the time?

You're the one getting all worked up about it. I simply made the statement that the defensemen on that team are learning nothing by playing zone. Doesn't bother me either way, it's just an observation and an informed comment about the situation. Why don't you stop being so silly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who ever said "yep" either didn't watch the game or doesn't know what a zone looks like? They played man to man 85% of the time. That being said they didn't have to play much defense.

The question was - 'did they really play zone?' - and the answer is yes. You even admit it in your response - if they played man 85% of the time then they would have played zone the other 15% of the time. And in my estimation it was more like 60/40.

By the way, hawks parents are some of the most RN people I've seen at a lacrosse game in a while.

who cares how much they played zone? 15%? 25? 53.58%? can explain why you care? Ridiculous and embarrassing. Nothing the Hawks have done in the last two games have been gimicky, illegal, unsportsmanlike, or ill advised, either on the offensive end or the defensive end or their ride. This is called "playing lacrosse." Would people care if they played Zone 65% and lost? or 10% of the time?

Actually their defense is gimmicky and ill advised. But hey - whatever it takes to win!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

(quote)Top 5 teams go. By the way, CONGRATULATIONS to Next Level 2023 team that went undefeated this weekend in the qualifications.
Next Level good team but I thought 4 teams were invited...Next Level, Tristate, Team 5 and BBL. BBL and Tristate good game to watch...

The fifth place game (Saltwater/Cavs) finished early so Saltwater was not there at the end, but invited. Some very good games this weekend, and surprisingly, a decent group of parents (with a few minor exceptions)

Definitely some good teams at qualifier but Next Level different class - went 6-0 and won semis 7-1 over BBL and won championship 10-2 against Big 5, who was undefeated in other bracket. NL will be tough out in Denver. There are MD elite teams that are on age, go figure!

What are “RN parents”?

What is An RN person?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definitely some good teams at qualifier but Next Level different class - went 6-0 and won semis 7-1 over BBL and won championship 10-2 against Big 5, who was undefeated in other bracket. NL will be tough out in Denver. There are MD elite teams that are on age, go figure!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definitely some good teams at qualifier but Next Level different class - went 6-0 and won semis 7-1 over BBL and won championship 10-2 against Big 5, who was undefeated in other bracket. NL will be tough out in Denver. There are MD elite teams that are on age, go figure!

They play as 2024 in the summer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There has been a lot of talk on this Forum about HOLDBACKs and how they are ruining the game. This weekend at the WSYL qualifiers in MD, there were numerous kids that were 6 feet and taller, some kids are definitely shaving (as you could see the 5 o'clock shadow). I mean real big boys!!!

All of these kids regardless of their MS class are 2023 age appropriate, but would be abused by the HOLDBACK Bashers on this site. So next time you see a tall kid that is really good, why don't you find out his age before calling out his name or number

Amen, brother. My kid is bashed as a holdback on a regular basis. He is big, and he is good, but he is not a holdback. He played at WSYL this weekend and I noticed lots of kids his same size. Bigger does not necessarily mean older. Some kids grow up to be 5'8". Other kids grow up to be 6'5". And by 12 you can already see the gap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definitely some good teams at qualifier but Next Level different class - went 6-0 and won semis 7-1 over BBL and won championship 10-2 against Big 5, who was undefeated in other bracket. NL will be tough out in Denver. There are MD elite teams that are on age, go figure!

NL is not your typical lax team. Big, strong, real athletes that could dominate just about any sport. Just goes to show how the game is changing.

What is an RN person?

Was the Hawks zone a factor in them scoring 15 goals or whatever it was? Maybe complain if you lost 6-5? 15-1 though? Bunch of whiny hammerheads. Take your kid and pay $300 and play for Freedom, LTRC or one of the strong rec programs. It is laughable to pay all that money to Mark Millon for THAT product and coaching
I saw no passing, no cutting, no clearing, no defense, no goaltending. Have they had any practices yet? If so that probably explains the product I saw on the field so hopefully they will get better

My son goes up against the Hawks defense every practice and man, zone whatever as you can see from the scores so far in Hoco, it has prepared us well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is an RN person?

The posts are being censored. RN - the R stands for a color and the N stands for a part of the body just below the head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is an RN person?

The posts are being censored. RN - the R stands for a color and the N stands for a part of the body just below the head.

RN parents wouldn't have the means or inclination to hold back their children in school. Holdbacks exist entirely in private school. Public schools don't allow it. Which one is it? Holdback Hawks or RN Hawks. You people baffle me. Boy am I glad to not be a Crabs or Hawks parent.

Well I’m a proud RN Hawks parent doesn’t offend me at all. I don’t understand all the hate directed at the Hawks the only thing you guys have to say is ZONE DEFENSE, HOLDBACKS blah blah blah. These young men practice and work very hard to be successful and are GREAT teammates to each other and all the nomsense you are talking is a disgrace to the lacrosse community.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who ever said "yep" either didn't watch the game or doesn't know what a zone looks like? They played man to man 85% of the time. That being said they didn't have to play much defense.

The question was - 'did they really play zone?' - and the answer is yes. You even admit it in your response - if they played man 85% of the time then they would have played zone the other 15% of the time. And in my estimation it was more like 60/40.

By the way, hawks parents are some of the most RN people I've seen at a lacrosse game in a while.

who cares how much they played zone? 15%? 25? 53.58%? can explain why you care? Ridiculous and embarrassing. Nothing the Hawks have done in the last two games have been gimicky, illegal, unsportsmanlike, or ill advised, either on the offensive end or the defensive end or their ride. This is called "playing lacrosse." Would people care if they played Zone 65% and lost? or 10% of the time?

Actually their defense is gimmicky and ill advised. But hey - whatever it takes to win!

Doesn't seem so ill advised when you look at the scores. And for gimicky? Let's do this. Let's make a HOCO rule that all teams must play man to man 100% of the time. To run any other defense will be dubbed gimicky and be a two min unreleasble. This includes all teams. Even when you play the Hawks offense. Let's see that works out for everyone
A good defense is a good defense. Just deal and scheme to beat it.

If you want to stop by on Sunday and see my sons state ID and passport I’ll be the one with the camo hat and white gum boots driving the truck with glass packs with the gun rack in the back window. Signed Anonymous RN Holdback Hawks dad

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

[quote=Anonymous]If you want to stop by on Sunday and see my sons state ID and passport I’ll be the one with the camo hat and white gum boots driving the truck with glass packs with the gun rack in the back window. Signed Anonymous RN Holdback Hawks dad[/quote

Why wait until Sunday, why don’t you just come on down to my work at the Putty Division just north of Odessa right there on Federalsburg Street...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Make no mistake....it is not a Hawks dad bashing a Hawks coach. This is a forum of trolls who try to create skepticism within a team to tear them apart. I know many of the parents, kids and coaches on this team. There is a strong bond amongst them. Do not let some jealous troll on an anonymous forum create any doubt amongst you. Use the hate to make your team stronger and go out there and kick everyone’s butts. Who cares what anyone says if they don’t have guts to attach their name to it? Anonymous posts are trash! If someone feels so strongly about your coaching style then they should let you know specifically who they are!

Only if Amanda White is there !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Make no mistake....it is not a Hawks dad bashing a Hawks coach. This is a forum of trolls who try to create skepticism within a team to tear them apart. I know many of the parents, kids and coaches on this team. There is a strong bond amongst them. Do not let some jealous troll on an anonymous forum create any doubt amongst you. Use the hate to make your team stronger and go out there and kick everyone’s butts. Who cares what anyone says if they don’t have guts to attach their name to it? Anonymous posts are trash! If someone feels so strongly about your coaching style then they should let you know specifically who they are!

You’re wrong. My kid does play for the hawks. Generally speaking we are happy because he doesn’t play defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Make no mistake....it is not a Hawks dad bashing a Hawks coach. This is a forum of trolls who try to create skepticism within a team to tear them apart. I know many of the parents, kids and coaches on this team. There is a strong bond amongst them. Do not let some jealous troll on an anonymous forum create any doubt amongst you. Use the hate to make your team stronger and go out there and kick everyone’s butts. Who cares what anyone says if they don’t have guts to attach their name to it? Anonymous posts are trash! If someone feels so strongly about your coaching style then they should let you know specifically who they are!

Says the anonymous poster...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

I figured you really wouldn't know what you were talking about and you just proved it, thanks for confirming. If your kid really is on the Hawks, just be glad he is getting good coaching in a good organization and let it go at that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

I figured you really wouldn't know what you were talking about and you just proved it, thanks for confirming. If your kid really is on the Hawks, just be glad he is getting good coaching in a good organization and let it go at that.

I’m not sure what you think you know - but the guy who laid out some of the differences between the defenses is absolutely correct.

I do not think you will here from a 91 parent about the team versus this competition. They know they are outmatched. Having been there for the last couple of years until now, the coaching is fine...they have 6-10 good players but they are up against 15-20 good players and 5 excellent ones at the elite level.
Watch the teams walk onto the field. The eye test is a big clue.

Hawks zone is fine.

Is the coach of FCA 23 also the head coach at Calvert Hall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definitely some good teams at qualifier but Next Level different class - went 6-0 and won semis 7-1 over BBL and won championship 10-2 against Big 5, who was undefeated in other bracket. NL will be tough out in Denver. There are MD elite teams that are on age, go figure!

We all understand that NL did well this weekend, congrats, no need to keep pounding your chest on this forum. They had a great run on Sunday, but don't forget the Saturday Saltwater and Tristate games which were a lot closer. Chalk it up to nerves or a down game, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that NL is in a different class then every other team in the qualifier. In my opinion, I think that there were stronger teams in the NL bracket top to bottom, the results on Sunday made that pretty clear.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

What I've noticed is that most of the top 2023 teams on LI and many in MD run a zone defense. The players are skilled and athletic and can always switch back to man if needed. HS and collegiate programs also run zones... the 3-3 included. It's a proven defense and is extremely effective when run with precision. Like anything else, it takes practice to run correctly or a good coach will easily expose its flaws. It frustrates offenses and, without a shot clock, can be boring to watch; however, to say teams like the Hawks (not a Hawk dad) run it because they have no faith in the defense is ludicrous. It just makes them harder to beat.

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

Make sure if you say its ok for Hawks to have dads as coaches it makes it ok for Madlax to do the same thing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the coach of FCA 23 also the head coach at Calvert Hall?

yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definitely some good teams at qualifier but Next Level different class - went 6-0 and won semis 7-1 over BBL and won championship 10-2 against Big 5, who was undefeated in other bracket. NL will be tough out in Denver. There are MD elite teams that are on age, go figure!

We all understand that NL did well this weekend, congrats, no need to keep pounding your chest on this forum. They had a great run on Sunday, but don't forget the Saturday Saltwater and Tristate games which were a lot closer. Chalk it up to nerves or a down game, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that NL is in a different class then every other team in the qualifier. In my opinion, I think that there were stronger teams in the NL bracket top to bottom, the results on Sunday made that pretty clear.

Tristate/Saltwater game a good won. Love to watch fast even a little aggressive games!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

I figured you really wouldn't know what you were talking about and you just proved it, thanks for confirming. If your kid really is on the Hawks, just be glad he is getting good coaching in a good organization and let it go at that.

I’m not sure what you think you know - but the guy who laid out some of the differences between the defenses is absolutely correct.

Not really, to just label zone defense as easier than man to man is very simplistic and not accurate, he mentioned 2nd and 3rd slides, aren't you essentially sliding to a zone at that point and no longer playing a man. you have to communicate as much in either defense. A zone defense does not mean you are not aggressive on the ball and retreating off of it, you are just not allowing slides to be stretched as far, there are slides in zone defenses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

It's a problem.

Also, there were a few kids that should have been moved to the Green team, but the Dad coaches refused. So they stayed on Black, and they play......perhaps when they shouldn't. That's why the Green Team folded - none of the coaches would agree to move "back."

If they could solve this, they would be the compete package.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

It's a problem.

Also, there were a few kids that should have been moved to the Green team, but the Dad coaches refused. So they stayed on Black, and they play......perhaps when they shouldn't. That's why the Green Team folded - none of the coaches would agree to move "back."

If they could solve this, they would be the compete package.

This is how you demonstrate that you have no real first hand knowledge on the issue: In the Hawks organization, the green teams are and always have been the "A" team and the black teams are and always have been the "B" team. The current 2023 Hawks team is the Green team. This is true at every level since the beginning. So I assume this is third or fourth hand knowledge, perhaps all overheard or relayed at the tailgate or the cocktail party.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

I figured you really wouldn't know what you were talking about and you just proved it, thanks for confirming. If your kid really is on the Hawks, just be glad he is getting good coaching in a good organization and let it go at that.

I’m not sure what you think you know - but the guy who laid out some of the differences between the defenses is absolutely correct.

Not really, to just label zone defense as easier than man to man is very simplistic and not accurate, he mentioned 2nd and 3rd slides, aren't you essentially sliding to a zone at that point and no longer playing a man. you have to communicate as much in either defense. A zone defense does not mean you are not aggressive on the ball and retreating off of it, you are just not allowing slides to be stretched as far, there are slides in zone defenses.

Of course there are slides in zone, but they are simple and easy to execute. That's the point - the kids aren't learning how to think and play dynamically and in the moment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

It's a problem.

Also, there were a few kids that should have been moved to the Green team, but the Dad coaches refused. So they stayed on Black, and they play......perhaps when they shouldn't. That's why the Green Team folded - none of the coaches would agree to move "back."

If they could solve this, they would be the compete package.

This is 100% accurate, he just got the Black and Green teams mixed up. My son is on the Green team and we're dealing with this problem right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definitely some good teams at qualifier but Next Level different class - went 6-0 and won semis 7-1 over BBL and won championship 10-2 against Big 5, who was undefeated in other bracket. NL will be tough out in Denver. There are MD elite teams that are on age, go figure!

We all understand that NL did well this weekend, congrats, no need to keep pounding your chest on this forum. They had a great run on Sunday, but don't forget the Saturday Saltwater and Tristate games which were a lot closer. Chalk it up to nerves or a down game, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that NL is in a different class then every other team in the qualifier. In my opinion, I think that there were stronger teams in the NL bracket top to bottom, the results on Sunday made that pretty clear.

Tristate/Saltwater game a good won. Love to watch fast even a little aggressive games!!!!

Yes, those divisional games were very good, boys played hard

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

It's a problem.

Also, there were a few kids that should have been moved to the Green team, but the Dad coaches refused. So they stayed on Black, and they play......perhaps when they shouldn't. That's why the Green Team folded - none of the coaches would agree to move "back."

If they could solve this, they would be the compete package.

This is 100% accurate, he just got the Black and Green teams mixed up. My son is on the Green team and we're dealing with this problem right now.

Trolls... they can't beat us so they try to break us down. Won't work. We all respect and support each other. Take your drama elsewhere!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

It's a problem.

Also, there were a few kids that should have been moved to the Green team, but the Dad coaches refused. So they stayed on Black, and they play......perhaps when they shouldn't. That's why the Green Team folded - none of the coaches would agree to move "back."

If they could solve this, they would be the compete package.

This is 100% accurate, he just got the Black and Green teams mixed up. My son is on the Green team and we're dealing with this problem right now.

Trolls... they can't beat us so they try to break us down. Won't work. We all respect and support each other. Take your drama elsewhere!

What number are you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

It's a problem.

Also, there were a few kids that should have been moved to the Green team, but the Dad coaches refused. So they stayed on Black, and they play......perhaps when they shouldn't. That's why the Green Team folded - none of the coaches would agree to move "back."

If they could solve this, they would be the compete package.

This is 100% accurate, he just got the Black and Green teams mixed up. My son is on the Green team and we're dealing with this problem right now.

Trolls... they can't beat us so they try to break us down. Won't work. We all respect and support each other. Take your drama elsewhere!

The truth hurts you doesn't it.

Maybe the Hawks' zone is bad for player development but the crabs could even clear the ball in the game. The ride is has no peers at this age group.
Zone doesn't help the offense at all. The addition of new players will make their offense that much better.

Hawks are an outstanding program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe the Hawks' zone is bad for player development but the crabs could even clear the ball in the game. The ride is has no peers at this age group.
Zone doesn't help the offense at all. The addition of new players will make their offense that much better.

Hawks are an outstanding program

Fake news and alternate facts.

If your not happy with the coaching at any program then leave it’s pretty simple concept. If your going to Hate in programs don’t hide behind Anonymous...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not happy with the coaching at any program then leave it’s pretty simple concept. If your going to Hate in programs don’t hide behind Anonymous...

Says the anonymous poster...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

I figured you really wouldn't know what you were talking about and you just proved it, thanks for confirming. If your kid really is on the Hawks, just be glad he is getting good coaching in a good organization and let it go at that.

I’m not sure what you think you know - but the guy who laid out some of the differences between the defenses is absolutely correct.

Not really, to just label zone defense as easier than man to man is very simplistic and not accurate, he mentioned 2nd and 3rd slides, aren't you essentially sliding to a zone at that point and no longer playing a man. you have to communicate as much in either defense. A zone defense does not mean you are not aggressive on the ball and retreating off of it, you are just not allowing slides to be stretched as far, there are slides in zone defenses.

Of course there are slides in zone, but they are simple and easy to execute. That's the point - the kids aren't learning how to think and play dynamically and in the moment.

we'll agree to disagree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

without the typical response of you know nothing about the game, can the Hawk parent who is bashing his own son's coaches please explain how playing a zone is hampering these young man from playing defense when they get to high school

Man defense is significantly more complex than a simple 33 zone. On ball the defender has to know how to play his man from any spot on the field (vs one small area in zone). He has to know the footwork, how to open his hips and run, how and when to throw checks, how to recover when someone slides, how to handle picks, etc.

Off ball the defenders have to know who is the 1 slide, 2 slide, 3 slide etc in a constantly changing situation. Vs in a zone they are always in the same spot on the field so the slides are very basic. Man defense requires a lot of thinking, communication, and quick decisions. Zone defense is much simpler.

Generally teams out zones in when they think their defense is not capable of playing man to man. And a 33 zone is the simplest most basic zone there is. Essentially the hawks coaches are admitting that their defense is not good, so they will force an outside shot and gamble that the opponent cannot shoot hard enough to beat their goalie. This works until they are older and kids can shoot much harder and more accurately.

That’s the 30 second overview. There are many more nuances.

I figured you really wouldn't know what you were talking about and you just proved it, thanks for confirming. If your kid really is on the Hawks, just be glad he is getting good coaching in a good organization and let it go at that.

I’m not sure what you think you know - but the guy who laid out some of the differences between the defenses is absolutely correct.

Not really, to just label zone defense as easier than man to man is very simplistic and not accurate, he mentioned 2nd and 3rd slides, aren't you essentially sliding to a zone at that point and no longer playing a man. you have to communicate as much in either defense. A zone defense does not mean you are not aggressive on the ball and retreating off of it, you are just not allowing slides to be stretched as far, there are slides in zone defenses.

Of course there are slides in zone, but they are simple and easy to execute. That's the point - the kids aren't learning how to think and play dynamically and in the moment.

we will have to agree to disagree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe the Hawks' zone is bad for player development but the crabs could even clear the ball in the game. The ride is has no peers at this age group.
Zone doesn't help the offense at all. The addition of new players will make their offense that much better.

Hawks are an outstanding program

Fake news and alternate facts.

Which part?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not happy with the coaching at any program then leave it’s pretty simple concept. If your going to Hate in programs don’t hide behind Anonymous...

Says the anonymous poster...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not happy with the coaching at any program then leave it’s pretty simple concept. If your going to Hate in programs don’t hide behind Anonymous...

Says the anonymous poster...

I wasn’t hating on any teams nor have I made any negative comments on this forum. I tried putting my name out there once and I guess the moderator took it off. Believe me I’m not going to hide behind a screen name. If I have something to say I’ll be the first to say it directly to you especially if it involves my son or his friends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question for hawks parents. How do you feel about Dad's being the head coach? Do you feel as though play time is earned and given out appropriately?

It's a problem.

Also, there were a few kids that should have been moved to the Green team, but the Dad coaches refused. So they stayed on Black, and they play......perhaps when they shouldn't. That's why the Green Team folded - none of the coaches would agree to move "back."

If they could solve this, they would be the compete package.

This is how you demonstrate that you have no real first hand knowledge on the issue: In the Hawks organization, the green teams are and always have been the "A" team and the black teams are and always have been the "B" team. The current 2023 Hawks team is the Green team. This is true at every level since the beginning. So I assume this is third or fourth hand knowledge, perhaps all overheard or relayed at the tailgate or the cocktail party.

Perhaps. But you didn't deny that it was true.

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Hahahaha! Patently false. Most kids attend public school and there for do not play the holdback game. The private school players do not attend schools that play the game either as a matter of tradition 1. Get you facts straight and 2. Go back to finishing your math homework

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily lf the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Half the starters..that’s actually laughable sounds like someone got beat by a bigger better faster stronger TEAM and is a sore looser or someone’s kid didnt make the cut to play for the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily lf the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Half the starters..that’s actually laughable sounds like someone got beat by a bigger better faster stronger TEAM and is a sore looser or someone’s kid didnt make the cut to play for the Hawks.

I know of 5 kids on that team who are holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily lf the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Half the starters..that’s actually laughable sounds like someone got beat by a bigger better faster stronger TEAM and is a sore looser or someone’s kid didnt make the cut to play for the Hawks.

I know of 5 kids on that team who are holdbacks.

The fact that you know 5 Hawks players birthdays is creepy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily lf the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Half the starters..that’s actually laughable sounds like someone got beat by a bigger better faster stronger TEAM and is a sore looser or someone’s kid didnt make the cut to play for the Hawks.

I know of 5 kids on that team who are holdbacks.

The fact that you know 5 Hawks players birthdays is creepy.

I know your wife’s birthday too. Is that creepy?

Crabs players beware this weekend....Looney's will hit your kids late after every shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily lf the starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Half the starters..that’s actually laughable sounds like someone got beat by a bigger better faster stronger TEAM and is a sore looser or someone’s kid didnt make the cut to play for the Hawks.

I know of 5 kids on that team who are holdbacks.

This is an absolute fabrication.

Every team has holdbacks! Who cares; move on!!!

Hawks Runs a Zone defense; who cares, beat it!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

Hahahaha! Patently false. Most kids attend public school and there for do not play the holdback game. The private school players do not attend schools that play the game either as a matter of tradition 1. Get you facts straight and 2. Go back to finishing your math homework

There are kids who go to public school who are holdbacks. 2 of them are on the hawks right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the Hawks holdback game? Or is it strictly a Baltimore thing?

Hawks 2023 holdback game is strong. Easily half the starters.

This is hysterical! What exactly do you consider a holdback??? Whats the age cutoff? Because 3/4 of the 2023's playing lacrosse in the state of MD last summer were 13! My son is STILL 12!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to stop by on Sunday and see my sons state ID and passport I’ll be the one with the camo hat and white gum boots driving the truck with glass packs with the gun rack in the back window. Signed Anonymous RN Holdback Hawks dad

You should go on the DUKES forum....Hawks are started to be in our category...LOL

Has anyone seen the list of teams at 2023 playing in the Kooper MPLL? Yikes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the list of teams at 2023 playing in the Kooper MPLL? Yikes

Teams and sched on koopers website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know your wife’s birthday too. Is that creepy?

You must be a Looney’s dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the list of teams at 2023 playing in the Kooper MPLL? Yikes

Yikes?

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

Lacrosse in MD = How not to run youth sports. Others are making this case perfectly. Destroy rec sports, charge way too much, hold kids back, call out kids by name/number, the most hilarious is the ZONE defense hater pretending to know what he is talking about but clearly showing he knows nothing about playing defense while admitting his kid does not play defense. Summary: Can we get a N.VA separate link?
Before the MD parents start: Yes there are no elite VA teams at this age group just a bunch of closely matched AAA (A) teams with all on age kids. I would not even know how to hold a kid back. I do have a question: If it is done for only "academic" reasons prior to K, why is this only an issue for Elite teams? I will say the kids on these teams are great players and a high % will play D1 in college and work hard. The parents?? Not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

There are a few boys that have late summer birthdays on the Hawks - but they are all 7th graders. You would be surprised who the boys are though.... definitely not the ones you would think.

This is a grade based division, not age based... so get over it.

Every team has a few ... even though Next Level has a great team headed to Denver, there are a few boys from their spring team not attending the tournament because they don't meet the age requirements.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

You must be a rocket scientist like myself, because no-one else has figured this out yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

Hawks 2023 Motto 'If you're not playing down, you're playing up!'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the list of teams at 2023 playing in the Kooper MPLL? Yikes

Yikes?

Team 91, Looney's Green, Zingos, Lax World and Rock

What is the likelihood that the hawks coaching staff for 2023 changes next year? Do the hawks make the change in 8th grade or 9th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

Deal. Just stop saying your an elite team when comparing against teams in the same grade but a full year younger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

Deal. Just stop saying your an elite team when comparing against teams in the same grade but a full year younger.

Maybe the other clubs should be asking their self why are the Hawks getting all these great players !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

You are correct not against the rules and it’s not against the rules to (and I know you won’t) play up with kids your own age but keep pounding your chest and living the lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

You are correct not against the rules and it’s not against the rules to (and I know you won’t) play up with kids your own age but keep pounding your chest and living the lie.

And you keep crying about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

You are correct not against the rules and it’s not against the rules to (and I know you won’t) play up with kids your own age but keep pounding your chest and living the lie.

And you keep crying about it.

Aww does the truth hurt snowflake? Try living beyond your low expectations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the likelihood that the hawks coaching staff for 2023 changes next year? Do the hawks make the change in 8th grade or 9th?

I am wondering the same thing?

The Hawks have great players because Hogan does a great job in branding his product. His tournaments are good, his name is gold and his teams look sharp. The Nap town TV coverage does not hurt.
He has completely eliminated any competition for players from Calvert County to the Eastern Shore.
Imagine if one of the Baltimore based teams could replicate what Hogan has done. Take the top 5% off of 91, FCA, Crabs, Loons, and Koopers and you have the Hawks of Central MD. Too many entrenched egos in Baltimore and DC to actually accomplish this mission.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks stink! Period. If you kid is that good move him up. Not Fair to the kids on age. The Hawks team should move
to 2022. signed - Hawks Dad

You stunads don't get it. HOCO is a GRADE base league, it has nothing to do with age. If you want to play in an AGE based league then do that!!! But please (and I know you won't) stop claiming teams are cheating when they are 100% following the rules!!!

You are correct not against the rules and it’s not against the rules to (and I know you won’t) play up with kids your own age but keep pounding your chest and living the lie.

And you keep crying about it.

Aww does the truth hurt snowflake? Try living beyond your low expectations.

At what age constitutes a " holdback " for 7th grade ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks have great players because Hogan does a great job in branding his product. His tournaments are good, his name is gold and his teams look sharp. The Nap town TV coverage does not hurt.
He has completely eliminated any competition for players from Calvert County to the Eastern Shore.
Imagine if one of the Baltimore based teams could replicate what Hogan has done. Take the top 5% off of 91, FCA, Crabs, Loons, and Koopers and you have the Hawks of Central MD. Too many entrenched egos in Baltimore and DC to actually accomplish this mission.

Excellent Point and completely agree!!

If correct school age for 7th grade is 9/1/04 - 8/31/05, then anyone with a birthday before should be in 8th grade or in some of your cases 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If correct school age for 7th grade is 9/1/04 - 8/31/05, then anyone with a birthday before should be in 8th grade or in some of your cases 9th grade.

Boring... got anything else? Who wins Sunday? Or do the guys even play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks have great players because Hogan does a great job in branding his product. His tournaments are good, his name is gold and his teams look sharp. The Nap town TV coverage does not hurt.
He has completely eliminated any competition for players from Calvert County to the Eastern Shore.
Imagine if one of the Baltimore based teams could replicate what Hogan has done. Take the top 5% off of 91, FCA, Crabs, Loons, and Koopers and you have the Hawks of Central MD. Too many entrenched egos in Baltimore and DC to actually accomplish this mission.

Excellent Point and completely agree!!

Yes.hawks do look well run. Hard to criticize what they have done.

This was the crabs model before the competimg clubs arrived on the scene. Now crabs youth teams are the same, or worse, than other clubs. One win among all teams in hoco.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks have great players because Hogan does a great job in branding his product. His tournaments are good, his name is gold and his teams look sharp. The Nap town TV coverage does not hurt.
He has completely eliminated any competition for players from Calvert County to the Eastern Shore.
Imagine if one of the Baltimore based teams could replicate what Hogan has done. Take the top 5% off of 91, FCA, Crabs, Loons, and Koopers and you have the Hawks of Central MD. Too many entrenched egos in Baltimore and DC to actually accomplish this mission.

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Is the Club Blue, Bethesda game a rivalry. We are new to the DMV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

I agree Hawks are the older more experienced team and should win by 5+

Keep drinking the Kool Aid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

I agree Hawks are the older more experienced team and should win by 5+

doubt there is much difference in age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

How they match up. FCA has been strong at faceoffs and will be patient on offense. That is why it should be a lower scoring game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

How they match up. FCA has been strong at faceoffs and will be patient on offense. That is why it should be a lower scoring game.

They may be patient and it may be low scoring due to the strength of the FOGO for the Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

How they match up. FCA has been strong at faceoffs and will be patient on offense. That is why it should be a lower scoring game.

They may be patient and it may be low scoring due to the strength of the FOGO for the Hawks

Hawks FOGO this year is a tank. Don’t get in his way when he has a head steam.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

How they match up. FCA has been strong at faceoffs and will be patient on offense. That is why it should be a lower scoring game.

They may be patient and it may be low scoring due to the strength of the FOGO for the Hawks

Hawks FOGO this year is a tank. Don’t get in his way when he has a head steam.

Nobody can beat him; he’s an animal and dominates the X. He won’t lose a faceoff Sunday guaranteed!! Just another stud playing for the best team in the country!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

How they match up. FCA has been strong at faceoffs and will be patient on offense. That is why it should be a lower scoring game.

They may be patient and it may be low scoring due to the strength of the FOGO for the Hawks

Hawks FOGO this year is a tank. Don’t get in his way when he has a head steam.

I am pretty sure the Hawks FOGO plays for Coach B and ACS every once in a while along with the Next Level FO kid. He is a stud and should dominate this year.

Best 2022 team for sure!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks over FCA. It will be competitive...6-4
Looneys v Crabs is a toss up. It will be a one goal game. Looneys 9-8
Club Blue v Bethesda will also be close game. Club Blue 7-6
Next Level will win big over 91. Next Level 14-4

Just curious about your take on the Hawks/FCA game? Hawks is easily the better team based on the first two weeks. What makes this game anything but another easy win?

How they match up. FCA has been strong at faceoffs and will be patient on offense. That is why it should be a lower scoring game.

They may be patient and it may be low scoring due to the strength of the FOGO for the Hawks

Hawks FOGO this year is a tank. Don’t get in his way when he has a head steam.

Nobody can beat him; he’s an animal and dominates the X. He won’t lose a faceoff Sunday guaranteed!! Just another stud playing for the best team in the country!!!

That’s a bold statement “ best team in the country” for the 3rd week of the spring season. It looks like they have a very deep midfield and should be an interesting summer. Their attack is pretty stout too

Bold statement from a troll... NOT a Hawks player or parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bold statement from a troll... NOT a Hawks player or parent.

Definitely not “trolling” I think we have one of if not the best 2023 teams in the country! Why is stating it wrong? Crabs had it over the passed 2 years; we took it from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bold statement from a troll... NOT a Hawks player or parent.

Hawks face off game is strong in all years. I would love to see what they are doing to get that way. Hats off to the coaches for putting in the time.

Nearly every Hawk is a reclassed kid. Sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nearly every Hawk is a reclassed kid. Sad.

2 summer birthdays and that is it. Have an idea. Have your son tryout next year and play on our B team and you can find the birthdates out yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nearly every Hawk is a reclassed kid. Sad.

what an original post...........even if it is inaccurate, but why let the truth get in the way of uninformed regurgitation

According to the Inside Lacrosse U13 poll, the best two teams in Maryland are Next Level and Saltwater

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the Inside Lacrosse U13 poll, the best two teams in Maryland are Next Level and Saltwater

Um ok.

That is because it is a u13 poll NOT a 2023 poll so it is accurate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is because it is a u13 poll NOT a 2023 poll so it is accurate

Maryland can not compete in U13 bracket. Best teams have holdbacks/prefirsts.. Just the way it is

Well this site got boring. Gotta love when no one wants to take accountability for their posts.

Originally Posted by Popeye

Well this site got boring. Gotta love when no one wants to take accountability for their posts.

Better to be less active then have these trolls come on here and bash kids and talk nonsense.

Originally Posted by LaxDad19

Originally Posted by Popeye

Well this site got boring. Gotta love when no one wants to take accountability for their posts.

Better to be less active then have these trolls come on here and bash kids and talk nonsense.

I agree. I will say that it was quiet before the change. Lax season is just starting up.

Town & Club ball are starting as early as May 12th weekend and is obviously at full throttle come June. Things will pick up for sure.

And IMO, the 91 team from LI is the clear favorite for the WSYL. They will beat every team by double digits until maybe the semis and then Championship.

Back online just in time for HOCO finals and Hawks still top at 2023

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back online just in time for HOCO finals and Hawks still top at 2023

#9........is he on age or not? Just curious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back online just in time for HOCO finals and Hawks still top at 2023

#9........is he on age or not? Just curious.

9-4 Hawks. Yes. On age. Actually young even for his grade.

Wow one past and back to calling out 7th graders....Stay classy Hawks Haters

If there’s no difference in age why aren’t the crabs and hawks going to the World Series of lacrosse, yeah #9 is 13 yrs old, you parents should be ashamed of yourselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there’s no difference in age why aren’t the crabs and hawks going to the World Series of lacrosse, yeah #9 is 13 yrs old, you parents should be ashamed of yourselves

Which parents should be ashamed? Not sure I understand your post. Crabs and Hawks have kids that meet the rules for [ChillLaxin] Co but not WCYL (like every team). What's the big deal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there’s no difference in age why aren’t the crabs and hawks going to the World Series of lacrosse, yeah #9 is 13 yrs old, you parents should be ashamed of yourselves

I know his father well, 9 turned 13 this March or April. If you don't believe it, just check his dad out - he's not a little guy. Now let's talk lacrosse and leave the individual kids out of it. Hawks clearly the best team all season. Club Blue was equally good. Everybody else in HoCo was a step down but evenly matched for the most part. Summer should be fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there’s no difference in age why aren’t the crabs and hawks going to the World Series of lacrosse, yeah #9 is 13 yrs old, you parents should be ashamed of yourselves

I know his father well, 9 turned 13 this March or April. If you don't believe it, just check his dad out - he's not a little guy. Now let's talk lacrosse and leave the individual kids out of it. Hawks clearly the best team all season. Club Blue was equally good. Everybody else in HoCo was a step down but evenly matched for the most part. Summer should be fun.

If you speak with the father let him or his son know that in the context of this group asking if a kid is on age is actually a compliment to him. I also thought this was a great year for HOCO league. The AA Division was also fun and very competitive and could be won by a number of teams. Big question is will Club Blue return or are they forever now part of Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If there’s no difference in age why aren’t the crabs and hawks going to the World Series of lacrosse, yeah #9 is 13 yrs old, you parents should be ashamed of yourselves

Parents should be ashamed for not going to WSYL or having a big kid who's good at lacrosse? Pretty sure Paul Rabil Lebron James or any great athlete who's 6'5 or more was accused of being told old for a league when they were 13. Who knows if this kid will be a star 6-7 years from now. But sometimes you just got to tip your hat to a player and team that's a cut above. My kids team played them twice and #9 was unstoppable but Hawks were hardly a one man show.

As far as Denver the age guideline is a factor as every team will have a few kids with summer 01 bday. But with the young guns, Naptown, Millon, Nxt etc all having great competition from all over in our backyard, I wouldn't want to pay thousands to go there for lacrosse.

Agree that the AA division had many well matched teams. Hats off to VLC for winning, but also to Cavs, MadLax and South River which were also competitive and could have won on a given day. For a newish team, 3D looked like it could compete along side them next year with just a few new kids. Would love to see a Fall league based around Northern VA.

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

Time to stop referring to Club Blue. It is Madlax now. stinks for all the Madlax haters who loved picking on the 2023 team. For 2022-2024, Madlax is now (at worst) Top 3 in each age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

Time to stop referring to Club Blue. It is Madlax now. stinks for all the Madlax haters who loved picking on the 2023 team. For 2022-2024, Madlax is now (at worst) Top 3 in each age group.

Club Blue merging with Madlax?

It is true regular season Hawks/Club Blue score was 12-10 Could have gone either way? Not if you watched the game. Hawks were in the driver seat after the first 5 minutes, as CB came out to a quick 3-0 start.

Championship game was 9-4. However, CB. did not score after early in second Q. Actually, they may not have scored after the first Q. Hawks could have scored more, but controlled the game and held down shooting in the last 6 minutes

best two teams in the league were Hawks and CB, but Hawks was a cut above. No question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

Time to stop referring to Club Blue. It is Madlax now. stinks for all the Madlax haters who loved picking on the 2023 team. For 2022-2024, Madlax is now (at worst) Top 3 in each age group.

Club Blue merging with Madlax?

Yes or at least the good CB 2023 is merging. Not sure what will happen to the other two CB teams (2022 and 2023 VA).

Haven’t hear the details. So is MadLax’s long term plan to field two 2023 teams (basically an A squad and a B squad) or merge the two into one very good team (the best players from CB and the capitol team)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

Time to stop referring to Club Blue. It is Madlax now. stinks for all the Madlax haters who loved picking on the 2023 team. For 2022-2024, Madlax is now (at worst) Top 3 in each age group.

LOL. You think those CB Montgomery county parent will give the Madlax guy their money? Several kids already leaving for other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

Time to stop referring to Club Blue. It is Madlax now. stinks for all the Madlax haters who loved picking on the 2023 team. For 2022-2024, Madlax is now (at worst) Top 3 in each age group.

LOL. You think those CB Montgomery county parent will give the Madlax guy their money? Several kids already leaving for other clubs.

The kids who will leave are the current Madlax Cap players who will now be the B team. The Club Blue kids are following the coach and team which is one of the best in the nation at this age group. The roster is already listed. They may add a few more pieces. There will be a lot of kids at tryout next week

Best part is that the 2023 Club Blue team, at one point was in the process of becoming the Maryland Hawks. An agreement was in place by Hogan to take over the team and rebrand it as he looks to push into the Bethesda / MoCo area. Now I believe they are being merged with Madlax and being rebranded as Madlax DC Dawgs.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best part is that the 2023 Club Blue team, at one point was in the process of becoming the Maryland Hawks. An agreement was in place by Hogan to take over the team and rebrand it as he looks to push into the Bethesda / MoCo area. Now I believe they are being merged with Madlax and being rebranded as Madlax DC Dawgs.....

I'm pretty sure that was only for the 2021 age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best part is that the 2023 Club Blue team, at one point was in the process of becoming the Maryland Hawks. An agreement was in place by Hogan to take over the team and rebrand it as he looks to push into the Bethesda / MoCo area. Now I believe they are being merged with Madlax and being rebranded as Madlax DC Dawgs.....

I'm pretty sure that was only for the 2021 age group.

It was the entire organization.

If Club Blue was trying to become the "Maryland" Hawks what are the Hawks now? Is Annapolis still in Maryland? Madlax will be the DC Dogs who practice in MD. There will still be "0" top level teams in VA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best part is that the 2023 Club Blue team, at one point was in the process of becoming the Maryland Hawks. An agreement was in place by Hogan to take over the team and rebrand it as he looks to push into the Bethesda / MoCo area. Now I believe they are being merged with Madlax and being rebranded as Madlax DC Dawgs.....

I'm pretty sure that was only for the 2021 age group.

It was the entire organization.

The 2023 VA and 2022 Club Blue teams were not nearly as good as the main 2023 team. But smart move by Madlax! The Madlax 2023 coaching will be top notch with the CB coaches coming over. Sure, some players from Capital and CB will come and go as players always do, but this will easily be the best 2023 team outside of Annapolis.

The Club Blue 2022 and 2023VA teams are garbage. The 2023 team would be good if everyone sticks together, but several are already leaving. It will pay off for one year only.

Madlax is having another tryout next week? It seems odd teams would change rosters now with most team's tryout's again in August. Most teams play 3 tournaments. Do many teams change rosters going into the summer? I assumed rosters change in August and mostly stay the same for a year. Any other teams add/dropping kids before the summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

What does it say about Looneys that they supposedly got several of the best Crabs players yet finished behind them in Hoco and then embarrassed themselves in the playoffs?

Hawks and Club Blue Tier 1
Crabs and Next Level Tier 2
91, Bethesda, Looneys next

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

What does it say about Looneys that they supposedly got several of the best Crabs players yet finished behind them in Hoco and then embarrassed themselves in the playoffs?

Hawks and Club Blue Tier 1
Crabs and Next Level Tier 2
91, Bethesda, Looneys next

It’s says the coaching got better know that FB is gone.

Is Cavalier 2023 is the #16 team in the nation?

Yes

Who keeps poo putting 91 as a top team? They lost to a lot of teams inthe fall and spring. They would lose to VLC, SR and some other HoCo AA teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who keeps poo putting 91 as a top team? They lost to a lot of teams inthe fall and spring. They would lose to VLC, SR and some other HoCo AA teams

Rumor is MM is bringing some kids down from the 22 team next year; the 2022 will not be playing in the Spring League. Holdbacks are most prevalent in 8th grade; this will be exception.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who keeps poo putting 91 as a top team? They lost to a lot of teams inthe fall and spring. They would lose to VLC, SR and some other HoCo AA teams

Rumor is MM is bringing some kids down from the 22 team next year; the 2022 will not be playing in the Spring League. Holdbacks are most prevalent in 8th grade; this will be exception.

How could 22 be playing in the spring next year when they are in HS, dummy?

No one is listing 91 as a top team. Funny though how Madlax and 91 could not make good teams at this age so they resort to buying another team (CB) and brining in older players. How about you coach up the kids you have? That is what parents are supposed to be paying for.

Unfortunately from what I’ve seen that’s the strategy and business model that most of “better” teams use - it’s far easier and quicker to recruit a great player to join your club than to coach up the kids you have. Don’t be naive parents - it’s a business - clubs are always looking for someone better to strengthen the team and build the club brand. Go into it with open eyes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately from what I’ve seen that’s the strategy and business model that most of “better” teams use - it’s far easier and quicker to recruit a great player to join your club than to coach up the kids you have. Don’t be naive parents - it’s a business - clubs are always looking for someone better to strengthen the team and build the club brand. Go into it with open eyes.

And open wallets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who keeps poo putting 91 as a top team? They lost to a lot of teams inthe fall and spring. They would lose to VLC, SR and some other HoCo AA teams

Rumor is MM is bringing some kids down from the 22 team next year; the 2022 will not be playing in the Spring League. Holdbacks are most prevalent in 8th grade; this will be exception.

How could 22 be playing in the spring next year when they are in HS, dummy?

The 22s who hold back won't be playing in HS. They will be playing with the 8th graders again. The players holding back are among the best in the 8th grade now. Look out next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who keeps poo putting 91 as a top team? They lost to a lot of teams inthe fall and spring. They would lose to VLC, SR and some other HoCo AA teams

Rumor is MM is bringing some kids down from the 22 team next year; the 2022 will not be playing in the Spring League. Holdbacks are most prevalent in 8th grade; this will be exception.

How could 22 be playing in the spring next year when they are in HS, dummy?

The 22s who hold back won't be playing in HS. They will be playing with the 8th graders again. The players holding back are among the best in the 8th grade now. Look out next year.

Or they could just be 7th Graders that played up this year to get better and play stronger competition. Everything can't be just a hold-back excuse.

I know of 2 such kids that played 2023 in 2017 and 2022 in 2018 and will play back at the 2023 in 2019, and they will probably be better than everyone else because of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who keeps poo putting 91 as a top team? They lost to a lot of teams inthe fall and spring. They would lose to VLC, SR and some other HoCo AA teams

Rumor is MM is bringing some kids down from the 22 team next year; the 2022 will not be playing in the Spring League. Holdbacks are most prevalent in 8th grade; this will be exception.

How could 22 be playing in the spring next year when they are in HS, dummy?

The 22s who hold back won't be playing in HS. They will be playing with the 8th graders again. The players holding back are among the best in the 8th grade now. Look out next year.

Smart move by MM. His son couldn't really hack it anymore at the 2022 level against good teams. He will still struggle against bigger and good defenses like Club Blue, Hawks, Looneys but will get his 5 or 6 goals when playing in the fall and summer.

Yawn ... same BS bashing of same coaches and same clubs. Hits on this site must be way down due to lack of creativity and substance.

I heard the Hawks lost to Saltwater in the weak OC tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Hawks lost to Saltwater in the weak OC tournament?

Yes but they played up in 2022 and lost to the 22 team.

Hawks 2023 lost to Saltwater 2022 by one goal. y37keN

Hawks 2023 is playing in the 2022 bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Hawks lost to Saltwater in the weak OC tournament?

Hawks 23 lost to Saltwater 22 by 1 goal. I guess the party you are trying to have over a Hawks loss just ended.

Go Hawks.

go holdbacks...

FCA won Lax Splash

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA won Lax Splash

Why would you tell anyone that? There is no scenario where an Elite team should be playing in Lax Splash

Hawks 23 literally has 14 holdbacks.

keep posting the lie. sometimes a good team is just a good team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree on Madlax. They were destroyed by Cavalier. Not on the same level as the other 3.

VLC was impressive as a brand new team. Several of these teams were more worthy than Team 91 of being in thr Elite division.

Madlax beat SR, lost to VLC by one, and Cannon's were the top seed. Hard to say ML is not right there. Maybe an off game v. Cav? The division was close all year long for several teams. I am sure Team 91 would have done well in this division along with BLC. Teams are now moving on to the summer and Elite is no longer a label. IMHO
2023:
Tier one:
Hawks (class by themselves)
Tier two:
Club Blue, Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL, BLC (?) with CB the clear best of the group
Tier three:
91, VLC, Cav, SR, MLX
Tier four:
Lax Factory, PLC, 3d, Cannon's, Top Caliber
This is based on games I have seen and just an opinion for those interested if facing these teams in a summer tournament. Hawks should play in the HS 2022 Division this summer for the extra challenge.

I would rank the 2023 Elite division as:

- Tier 1 would be Hawks & Club Blue (no question on the Hawks, CB/Hawks regular season was a 2 goal game, could have gone either way, but no other team was competitive with CB)
- Tier 2 would be Looney's, Crabs, FCA, NL
- Tier 3 BLC & 91MD

I don't think the other teams are competitive with these teams, so I won't list them...

What does it say about Looneys that they supposedly got several of the best Crabs players yet finished behind them in Hoco and then embarrassed themselves in the playoffs?

Hawks and Club Blue Tier 1
Crabs and Next Level Tier 2
91, Bethesda, Looneys next

Not sure what it say's about Looney's or what it say's about those kids that chose to try another program... I know what it does say about the person that wrote this garbage.....person

This time last year MadLax had two 2023 teams Capital and DMV in less than a year, they do not have enough kids to field one team? They only have a combo 2023 and 2022 team. Going into HS this could not be great for those kids. The new Club Blue team does not count as they already existed and now just have a Madlax label. Is there just not enough kids in NOVA?

There are enough strong VA players but the problem is the way Madlax runs its program. My son is a talented northern Va player who attended MDLX tryouts. He was offered a roster slot but they wouldn’t confirm what team he’d play on. Especially for a newcomer who wasn’t well know by the coaches, we didn’t want to accept if there was a chance he’d get put on the state team. So he accepted a slot on a competing club. I like the way MDLX keeps its players active with playing opportunities, but among other tweaks, it needs to rethink its tryout process to make their program more inviting for prospectives.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This time last year MadLax had two 2023 teams Capital and DMV in less than a year, they do not have enough kids to field one team? They only have a combo 2023 and 2022 team. Going into HS this could not be great for those kids. The new Club Blue team does not count as they already existed and now just have a Madlax label. Is there just not enough kids in NOVA?

That specific year isn't as deep numbers wise and when the 3 best players from that 2023 team left who are all very good, that crushed that specific team for Madlax. They haven't recovered since.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This time last year MadLax had two 2023 teams Capital and DMV in less than a year, they do not have enough kids to field one team? They only have a combo 2023 and 2022 team. Going into HS this could not be great for those kids. The new Club Blue team does not count as they already existed and now just have a Madlax label. Is there just not enough kids in NOVA?

That specific year isn't as deep numbers wise and when the 3 best players from that 2023 team left who are all very good, that crushed that specific team for Madlax. They haven't recovered since.

One issue this team has is that it looks like they are a combo 2022/2023 team. This would be a big issue for this age because the 2022 group is now HS so they have very different seasons. They could not play in HOCO and many tournaments break up HS and MS. This would hurt the development of a good 2023 player. Madlax may tell parents this will just be for the summer then they will create a 2023 team. However, this program seems to be going the other direction. What would make them think more players will join when they must have lost far more than three players? Too many other options in N.VA that cost less and don't have the issues. Any club in VA should only focus on one team per age. Madlax imported the 2023 team. If I was a parent on the 2nd team I would be busy in August looking for a new team.

It stinks that the Brine Beach Blast got rained out, was some good competition.. its always good to beat NY teams..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It stinks that the Brine Beach Blast got rained out, was some good competition.. its always good to beat NY teams..

Hear Hear

For the 2023 Level, what’s the difference between the Madlax DC Dogs and Madlax Capital Teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the 2023 Level, what’s the difference between the Madlax DC Dogs and Madlax Capital Teams?

The Madlax DC dogs is team that used to be under Club Blue. The Madlax Capital team is the same kids team from last year. I am sure when you see the title Madlax National team 2023 it will be kids from both teams and others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It stinks that the Brine Beach Blast got rained out, was some good competition.. its always good to beat NY teams..

Hear Hear

What New York team got beat at 2023

DC Dawg's=hold back cheaters but they can't beat the hawks hold back cheaters

DC Dogs is an elite level A team Capitol is a B level combo 22/23 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It stinks that the Brine Beach Blast got rained out, was some good competition.. its always good to beat NY teams..

Hear Hear

What New York team got beat at 2023

Ducks got beat in A, 91 had a team in B. They beat up on Zingos and Club Blue, but did not get to face a good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It stinks that the Brine Beach Blast got rained out, was some good competition.. its always good to beat NY teams..

Hear Hear

What New York team got beat at 2023

Ducks got beat in A, 91 had a team in B. They beat up on Zingos and Club Blue, but did not get to face a good team.

Got it, because the Maryland teams were definitely not making any noise at AA

Here is a conversation starter on this beautiful fathers day morning. Who has the hottest moms at the NAL tournament? My vote based on yesterdays observations would be sweetwater NY.

Originally Posted by Dumbdad

Here is a conversation starter on this beautiful fathers day morning. Who has the hottest moms at the NAL tournament? My vote based on yesterdays observations would be sweetwater NY.

Your name fits your posts.

Dont get your panties in a bunch Alice!!! It was all in good fun you take this YOUTH lacrosse way to serious.

This is a bit late:

Congratulations to the Next Level team and coaches on an excellent showing at the WSYL!!!

What happened to Next Level yesterday? 12-0 to Looney's?

Naptown 2023 shows Annapolis Hawks v Team Baltimore and True National v Dukes National in semis. Anyone have information about Team Baltimore? I have never heard of that club.

Go Hawks! Good to see a team that is NOT made up of all stars but instead the regular team that plays together and coached together competing. Nothing wrong with a National team but as a fan of the game, I like to see coaching win over drafting and recruiting at the 7th-8th grade level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Naptown 2023 shows Annapolis Hawks v Team Baltimore and True National v Dukes National in semis. Anyone have information about Team Baltimore? I have never heard of that club.

Team Baltimore is being coached by the assistant at McDonough and is made up of kids from Crabs, Looney's FCA and other local club teams. They lost to Hawks 8-6 and Dukes beat True 10-5. So there is a rematch from yesterday's Hawks/Dukes game which Hawks won 8-7

So it turns out that the best of Baltimore’s elite teams cannot beat the Annapolis Hawks. The chatter was that the Baltimore clubs were diluted because the best players were scattered among the three teams you mentioned. So combined they fall short.

McDonough making a recruiting pitch or are most of the players already attending McD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it turns out that the best of Baltimore’s elite teams cannot beat the Annapolis Hawks. The chatter was that the Baltimore clubs were diluted because the best players were scattered among the three teams you mentioned. So combined they fall short.

Tough when the Hawks roll out 15 yr olds to play 13 yr olds....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it turns out that the best of Baltimore’s elite teams cannot beat the Annapolis Hawks. The chatter was that the Baltimore clubs were diluted because the best players were scattered among the three teams you mentioned. So combined they fall short.

Tough when the Hawks roll out 15 yr olds to play 13 yr olds....

Now that is rich ... a McD coach and players from crabs, fca, and looneys ... doubt if there is an one age kid playing for that team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it turns out that the best of Baltimore’s elite teams cannot beat the Annapolis Hawks. The chatter was that the Baltimore clubs were diluted because the best players were scattered among the three teams you mentioned. So combined they fall short.

Let those boys from Team Baltimore play together for a season and lets see what happens. First tournament together with a few weeks of practice and lost by 2 goals.

Hawks go down to Dukes 5-3; great two games by these teams. Talent everywhere on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it turns out that the best of Baltimore’s elite teams cannot beat the Annapolis Hawks. The chatter was that the Baltimore clubs were diluted because the best players were scattered among the three teams you mentioned. So combined they fall short.

Oops. 7-5 Dukes in ship.

Don't forget that Dukes doesn't practice so not surprising after losing early to Hawks in a tournament they took them out after 5 games together

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it turns out that the best of Baltimore’s elite teams cannot beat the Annapolis Hawks. The chatter was that the Baltimore clubs were diluted because the best players were scattered among the three teams you mentioned. So combined they fall short.

Oops. 7-5 Dukes in ship.

Don't forget that Dukes doesn't practice so not surprising after losing early to Hawks in a tournament they took them out after 5 games together

Don't take away from the boys - these were 2 very talented teams. I am sure they will see each other again. Final score was 5-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it turns out that the best of Baltimore’s elite teams cannot beat the Annapolis Hawks. The chatter was that the Baltimore clubs were diluted because the best players were scattered among the three teams you mentioned. So combined they fall short.

Let those boys from Team Baltimore play together for a season and lets see what happens. First tournament together with a few weeks of practice and lost by 2 goals.

Most of them have already played together for years.

I’m sure your son will be at Hawks tryouts in August. If you cant beat them join them hope he can keep up with the “holdbacks”. Stop hating on these children and give them some respect they are a very good team playing within the rules.

Why did Express back out of NLF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m sure your son will be at Hawks tryouts in August. If you cant beat them join them hope he can keep up with the “holdbacks”. Stop hating on these children and give them some respect they are a very good team playing within the rules.

Within the rules. That’s rich.

It’s the truth... don’t like it then dont play club lacrosse. I could count the “holdbacks” on one hand and still have plenty of fingers to tell you you're #1. Just because they are big talented athletic kids doesnt mean they are older. Dont be sour because your sons team cant beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the truth... don’t like it then dont play club lacrosse. I could count the “holdbacks” on one hand and still have plenty of fingers to tell you you're #1. Just because they are big talented athletic kids doesnt mean they are older. Dont be sour because your sons team cant beat them.

I don't get it... there are many teams bigger than the 23 Hawks team. They have 3 or 4 big kids, mostly average size kids, and 4 or 5 very small kids. Sounds like any 7th grade class. There are just too many crybabies out there. Team Baltimore and Duke's were FAR bigger than the Hawks. Several teams in HoCo were also bigger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the truth... don’t like it then dont play club lacrosse. I could count the “holdbacks” on one hand and still have plenty of fingers to tell you you're #1. Just because they are big talented athletic kids doesnt mean they are older. Dont be sour because your sons team cant beat them.

I don't get it... there are many teams bigger than the 23 Hawks team. They have 3 or 4 big kids, mostly average size kids, and 4 or 5 very small kids. Sounds like any 7th grade class. There are just too many crybabies out there. Team Baltimore and Duke's were FAR bigger than the Hawks. Several teams in HoCo were also bigger.

That’s because dukes has kids that we’re in 8 grade this year playing for their 2023 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Naptown 2023 shows Annapolis Hawks v Team Baltimore and True National v Dukes National in semis. Anyone have information about Team Baltimore? I have never heard of that club.

Saw the True National team this past weekend at Tri-Lax in Jersey. Definitely a National team with players from all over the country. FoGo very good and middies but not exceptionally big. They played the BBL North team and controlled the face off 75% of time, they won convincingly but when in possession the BBL North played them well. Not in same class as Hawkes or Dukes.

This argument gets sooo old. One more year and it really won't matter. With that, I do think that tournaments should move back to an age based model. I have family and friends with kids that are 13 and when I asked what team they are playing wondering if my son born in June '05 might play them, they are also summer '05 they responded they are playing 2024. They did not "re-class" but held back in K for other reasons than lacrosse. First, it does give an advantage. Second, most strong teams are full of kids close to the age or past the age cut off. If there were a logical Sept or January age range, an age grouping would end this discussion. However, when a tournament is set up as grade based, then the teams are not cheaters and kids should not be called out they are doing what is within the rules. Making an excuse for losing sends a bad message. It is NOT a safety issue as under the old system and the rec system 7th and 8th graders play together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This argument gets sooo old. One more year and it really won't matter. With that, I do think that tournaments should move back to an age based model. I have family and friends with kids that are 13 and when I asked what team they are playing wondering if my son born in June '05 might play them, they are also summer '05 they responded they are playing 2024. They did not "re-class" but held back in K for other reasons than lacrosse. First, it does give an advantage. Second, most strong teams are full of kids close to the age or past the age cut off. If there were a logical Sept or January age range, an age grouping would end this discussion. However, when a tournament is set up as grade based, then the teams are not cheaters and kids should not be called out they are doing what is within the rules. Making an excuse for losing sends a bad message. It is NOT a safety issue as under the old system and the rec system 7th and 8th graders play together.

No but they are cheating if they have kids that have already completed 8th grade playing against those that haven’t completed 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This argument gets sooo old. One more year and it really won't matter. With that, I do think that tournaments should move back to an age based model. I have family and friends with kids that are 13 and when I asked what team they are playing wondering if my son born in June '05 might play them, they are also summer '05 they responded they are playing 2024. They did not "re-class" but held back in K for other reasons than lacrosse. First, it does give an advantage. Second, most strong teams are full of kids close to the age or past the age cut off. If there were a logical Sept or January age range, an age grouping would end this discussion. However, when a tournament is set up as grade based, then the teams are not cheaters and kids should not be called out they are doing what is within the rules. Making an excuse for losing sends a bad message. It is NOT a safety issue as under the old system and the rec system 7th and 8th graders play together.

No but they are cheating if they have kids that have already completed 8th grade playing against those that haven’t completed 8th grade.

Middle school is a wonderful few years for the kids, I see nothing wrong with doing an extra year or two. Think about how much easier it is on the parents in the future,starting sophomore year in HS the kids can drive themselves to school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the truth... don’t like it then dont play club lacrosse. I could count the “holdbacks” on one hand and still have plenty of fingers to tell you you're #1. Just because they are big talented athletic kids doesnt mean they are older. Dont be sour because your sons team cant beat them.

I don't get it... there are many teams bigger than the 23 Hawks team. They have 3 or 4 big kids, mostly average size kids, and 4 or 5 very small kids. Sounds like any 7th grade class. There are just too many crybabies out there. Team Baltimore and Duke's were FAR bigger than the Hawks. Several teams in HoCo were also bigger.

Hawks 2023 will be huge next year when all the 2022s hold back. 7 2021s held back and joined the 2022 team this past year on top of the kids who had already held back. Expect the same for the 2023s.

This is the big year in Maryland for kids that holdback for athletic purposes. It is almost comical at this point.

I would love to sit down and have an intelligent conversation with you clowns about all the comments on here. One day you’ll wake up and your son will be finished with youth lacrosse, HS lacrosse and all you will have is regrets of how you didnt let yourself and your child enjoy it. Get over all the bull and let your son play at his highest capable level and stop worrying about eveyone else.

Team Baltimore v Atlantic Coast Stars

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Baltimore v Atlantic Coast Stars

Nah!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Baltimore v Atlantic Coast Stars

Nah!

With ACS coach departure/ex-communication from Crab Nation does ACS continue to be a thing? Were/are they planning to play in any additional events?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Baltimore v Atlantic Coast Stars

Nah!

With ACS coach departure/ex-communication from Crab Nation does ACS continue to be a thing? Were/are they planning to play in any additional events?

Who knows? You will always be on the outside looking in no matter what happens. Nothing will change for you. Stay with Team Baltimore...that is your best bet!

RM took over as ACS coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Baltimore v Atlantic Coast Stars

Nah!

With ACS coach departure/ex-communication from Crab Nation does ACS continue to be a thing? Were/are they planning to play in any additional events?

Who knows? You will always be on the outside looking in no matter what happens. Nothing will change for you. Stay with Team Baltimore...that is your best bet!

Relax sport. My guy isn't gunning for your son's spot. Just curious if they were scheduled to play again this year.

Crabs tryouts should be fun this year? After great seasons 5th and 6th, the wheels have come off — coaching disruptions, player departures, now competing all star teams. All just in time for RM to take the helm. Did they even win a tourney this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs tryouts should be fun this year? After great seasons 5th and 6th, the wheels have come off — coaching disruptions, player departures, now competing all star teams. All just in time for RM to take the helm. Did they even win a tourney this year?

You can play for a losing team anywhere with 1/2 the drama from the 2023 Crabs parents

RM does not have a problem with Crab parents running and Crab players playing for Team Baltimore thing? Seems like a huge conflict.... In my opinion just a bunch a bloated pompous parents trying to elevate their kids... Pretty funny to watch from the outside

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RM does not have a problem with Crab parents running and Crab players playing for Team Baltimore thing? Seems like a huge conflict.... In my opinion just a bunch a bloated pompous parents trying to elevate their kids... Pretty funny to watch from the outside

I would not see this as much of an issue as long as tournaments do not conflict. Seems like they played a Mon/Tues tournament after playing Crabs at Young Guns. This is better than "guest" players who many teams use. If a "guest" player takes away playing time from paying customers this is far worse in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the truth... don’t like it then dont play club lacrosse. I could count the “holdbacks” on one hand and still have plenty of fingers to tell you you're #1. Just because they are big talented athletic kids doesnt mean they are older. Dont be sour because your sons team cant beat them.

I don't get it... there are many teams bigger than the 23 Hawks team. They have 3 or 4 big kids, mostly average size kids, and 4 or 5 very small kids. Sounds like any 7th grade class. There are just too many crybabies out there. Team Baltimore and Duke's were FAR bigger than the Hawks. Several teams in HoCo were also bigger.

Hawks 2023 will be huge next year when all the 2022s hold back. 7 2021s held back and joined the 2022 team this past year on top of the kids who had already held back. Expect the same for the 2023s.

This is disgraceful. Doing whatever it takes to beat other kids, whether lacrosse or in the classroom. These are the rich jerks who do this. Win at any cost. All within the rules, so all validated. Disgraceful.

Why

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the truth... don’t like it then dont play club lacrosse. I could count the “holdbacks” on one hand and still have plenty of fingers to tell you you're #1. Just because they are big talented athletic kids doesnt mean they are older. Dont be sour because your sons team cant beat them.

I don't get it... there are many teams bigger than the 23 Hawks team. They have 3 or 4 big kids, mostly average size kids, and 4 or 5 very small kids. Sounds like any 7th grade class. There are just too many crybabies out there. Team Baltimore and Duke's were FAR bigger than the Hawks. Several teams in HoCo were also bigger.

Hawks 2023 will be huge next year when all the 2022s hold back. 7 2021s held back and joined the 2022 team this past year on top of the kids who had already held back. Expect the same for the 2023s.

This is disgraceful. Doing whatever it takes to beat other kids, whether lacrosse or in the classroom. These are the rich jerks who do this. Win at any cost. All within the rules, so all validated. Disgraceful.

I am not sure what the issue is, Team Baltimore LOST on Tuesday, so this was not a win at any cost.....Unlike ACS, they seem to be a bunch of Dudes and not much of a TEAM.....

Well, lookout for a third such team since the co-founder of Team Baltimore went to Crabs three years ago, then coached ACS with his hand-picked players, and now is out at Crabs and RM is coaching ACS.

Any coaching changes at Md 91? 0 for 12 two straight seasons in HoCo.

I am not sure what the issue is, Team Baltimore Lost on Tuesday, so this was not a win at any cost.....Unlike ACS, they seem to be a bunch of individuals versus being a complete team ....[/quote]

Thanks for the info

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the truth... don’t like it then dont play club lacrosse. I could count the “holdbacks” on one hand and still have plenty of fingers to tell you you're #1. Just because they are big talented athletic kids doesnt mean they are older. Dont be sour because your sons team cant beat them.

I don't get it... there are many teams bigger than the 23 Hawks team. They have 3 or 4 big kids, mostly average size kids, and 4 or 5 very small kids. Sounds like any 7th grade class. There are just too many crybabies out there. Team Baltimore and Duke's were FAR bigger than the Hawks. Several teams in HoCo were also bigger.

Hawks 2023 will be huge next year when all the 2022s hold back. 7 2021s held back and joined the 2022 team this past year on top of the kids who had already held back. Expect the same for the 2023s.

This is disgraceful. Doing whatever it takes to beat other kids, whether lacrosse or in the classroom. These are the rich jerks who do this. Win at any cost. All within the rules, so all validated. Disgraceful.

Disgraceful and simply untrue, nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, lookout for a third such team since the co-founder of Team Baltimore went to Crabs three years ago, then coached ACS with his hand-picked players, and now is out at Crabs and RM is coaching ACS.

All I know is the ACS team is a great team. There cannot a second (just proved it) or even of third. This is the team with the best players. For all of the people who tried to ruin it or think backstabbing your way onto
The team will work, I assure you it will not. You will always remain second or third if you try to create another team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, lookout for a third such team since the co-founder of Team Baltimore went to Crabs three years ago, then coached ACS with his hand-picked players, and now is out at Crabs and RM is coaching ACS.

All I know is the ACS team is a great team. There cannot a second (just proved it) or even of third. This is the team with the best players. For all of the people who tried to ruin it or think backstabbing your way onto
The team will work, I assure you it will not. You will always remain second or third if you try to create another team.

My guess is you are not familiar with the coach’s History. Players/families follow him as he leaves teams. Has happened since tyker ball. Everything else you said may be true, but don’t be suprised if those beat players are playing with that coach under a new name next season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaching changes at Md 91? 0 for 12 two straight seasons in HoCo.

Word is Millon as his son is 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaching changes at Md 91? 0 for 12 two straight seasons in HoCo.

Word is Millon as his son is 2023.

Maybe the former Crabs coach and players will join them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, lookout for a third such team since the co-founder of Team Baltimore went to Crabs three years ago, then coached ACS with his hand-picked players, and now is out at Crabs and RM is coaching ACS.

All I know is the ACS team is a great team. There cannot a second (just proved it) or even of third. This is the team with the best players. For all of the people who tried to ruin it or think backstabbing your way onto
The team will work, I assure you it will not. You will always remain second or third if you try to create another team.

My guess is you are not familiar with the coach’s History. Players/families follow him as he leaves teams. Has happened since tyker ball. Everything else you said may be true, but don’t be suprised if those beat players are playing with that coach under a new name next season.

Players and families also leave teams because of him. Balances out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaching changes at Md 91? 0 for 12 two straight seasons in HoCo.

Word is Millon as his son is 2023.

Confirmed. Cheating with his own son but kicking out good players from other teams. Hahaha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaching changes at Md 91? 0 for 12 two straight seasons in HoCo.

Word is Millon as his son is 2023.

Confirmed. Cheating with his own son but kicking out good players from other teams. Hahaha!

They will need a lot more than 1 kid

The coach that left crabs could bring them

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

New low in youth lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

Guess they are not going to 91 Md then.... does this mean he might coach True Md 2023?

Millon kicking 13 year old kids out of tournaments and still goes 0-4 with embarrassing losses all around. What was the point?

By Millon’s team, do you mean as director of 91 Md or do you mean he was coaching the 2023 team?

Would be interesting if Millon did some roster checks. Couple of teams have some 22’s soon to be 23’s playing. Not sure they meet the must play regularly and on a Spring Team together since rosters were to be submitted back in March. Could shake up tourney big time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

He kicked one kid out before the game even started. My son played right before and I saw it happen. I have no idea why. Anybody have a clue why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

What was the point of asking for proof kids are in 7th grade and than not checking rosters? And no National Teams...Freedom and True both National teams at this point.

Also not following Tie Breakers listed on website. Say what you want about WSYL they are least required Birth Certiciates and Report Cards with each registration. This “National Championship” a joke

Express without their older kids had a rough time getting past the LI Outlaws in the last game. Score doesn’t even remotely show how close thatbgame was. AJ didn’t even play his kid because he thought he was going to lose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

He kicked one kid out before the game even started. My son played right before and I saw it happen. I have no idea why. Anybody have a clue why?

I want to know why too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any coaching changes at Md 91? 0 for 12 two straight seasons in HoCo.

Word is Millon as his son is 2023.

Confirmed. Cheating with his own son but kicking out good players from other teams. Hahaha!

That is hard to believe. If true about holding son back for lacrosse, it says a lot about Lacrosse and where it is heading with the supposed top club teams or frankly any teams .
All across 8th grade and below, lacrosse is a minefield with holdbacks, future holdbacks, guest players , just plain cheaters, etc, etc...
I see no hope in sight as there is no real governing agency in lacrosse. USL is a joke. (They are good at putting out a PC correct magazine tho) . Expect the same BS and everything that is wrong to continue with lacrosse.
Soccer had many of same issues years ago. Their governing body took years to clean up, but now its about as good as you can get with players at top level. All have id cards and must be on age.

True Illinois stacked the team with Annapolis Hawks and Crabs, along with other local players. All star teams all around that tourney. Only a few teams were actually made up of consistent rosters.
Uniform distribution took place in the parking lot.
Local lacrosse is dead. The days of playing lacrosse at a reasonable price with neighborhood kids is over.
Not a MM fan to say ththe least but even he couldnt stand for the nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

He kicked one kid out before the game even started. My son played right before and I saw it happen. I have no idea why. Anybody have a clue why?

It wouldn't be a Millon Event without a scene by Millon himself. #dramadevelopment

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Millon's team lost to True and after kicked some others out of the tournament? What happened?d

What was the point of asking for proof kids are in 7th grade and than not checking rosters? And no National Teams...Freedom and True both National teams at this point.

I absolutely know why. The kid is on age (even young for his grade) but was told he is too good and would dominate the tournament. This is not made up. Verify any way you would like. Unbelievable.

Summer club lacrosse is the Wild West new frontier with guest players, movement among teams, rising grade players holding back, and not roster requirements. It has become the old hero’s pick up summer league on steroids with no accountability. Families/players accept an invite in late summer after tryouts based on the expectation that the team will remain in tact through summer only to them have the bait and switch. The year round club “season” dues include summer tourneys. All star teams are one thing and should be allowed only in tournaments that are not geared toward competitive club teams that select tournaments with the expectation of competing with similarly situated clubs that do or don’t play in spring league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer club lacrosse is the Wild West new frontier with guest players, movement among teams, rising grade players holding back, and not roster requirements. It has become the old hero’s pick up summer league on steroids with no accountability. Families/players accept an invite in late summer after tryouts based on the expectation that the team will remain in tact through summer only to them have the bait and switch. The year round club “season” dues include summer tourneys. All star teams are one thing and should be allowed only in tournaments that are not geared toward competitive club teams that select tournaments with the expectation of competing with similarly situated clubs that do or don’t play in spring league.

The reason there is such backlash in taking this good kid off of the field is because many other teams had Guest players and nothing was done. You do not get to pick and chose nor do you make a spectacle when children are involved. Youth lacrosse has turned in to nothing but money and vendettas for Club owners. Parents should get together and start their own teams. Have the boys who just want to play do so. You would most likely beat all of the club teams!
These are supposed to be fun years for a Child. Not practicing 4 days a week, Tournaments every weekend. Kids are told they can’t even play other sports or attend important events. They may be kicked off a team or lose their starting spot. For what?! Why would parents even allow someone to even dictate this. Can’t wait for this sport to implode along with all of the Club owners. Time for some regulations!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer club lacrosse is the Wild West new frontier with guest players, movement among teams, rising grade players holding back, and not roster requirements. It has become the old hero’s pick up summer league on steroids with no accountability. Families/players accept an invite in late summer after tryouts based on the expectation that the team will remain in tact through summer only to them have the bait and switch. The year round club “season” dues include summer tourneys. All star teams are one thing and should be allowed only in tournaments that are not geared toward competitive club teams that select tournaments with the expectation of competing with similarly situated clubs that do or don’t play in spring league.

Saying you have best tournament or club team is like claiming you have the best pizza in NY! How do you even know. Kids just want to play lacrosse or eat pizza they don’t really care about the other stuff. The greed of adults. Very sad.

You know it’s a joke when kids have different jerseys and helmets.

True

It was said that this kid was not allowed to play because he was to good and he was a guest player on a team. Everyone local knows him and he is a impact player and probably one of the best on age 2023 players in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Illinois stacked the team with Annapolis Hawks and Crabs, along with other local players. All star teams all around that tourney. Only a few teams were actually made up of consistent rosters.
Uniform distribution took place in the parking lot.
Local lacrosse is dead. The days of playing lacrosse at a reasonable price with neighborhood kids is over.
Not a MM fan to say ththe least but even he couldnt stand for the nonsense.

If this is true, then why remove one kid from one team? Why not remove all of the guest players from all of the "all star" teams? Also, why is the director/coach MM allowed to play his son who has already completed 8th grade?

You mean it is wrong for a Baltimore kid to play for True Illinois???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Illinois stacked the team with Annapolis Hawks and Crabs, along with other local players. All star teams all around that tourney. Only a few teams were actually made up of consistent rosters.
Uniform distribution took place in the parking lot.
Local lacrosse is dead. The days of playing lacrosse at a reasonable price with neighborhood kids is over.
Not a MM fan to say ththe least but even he couldnt stand for the nonsense.

If this is true, then why remove one kid from one team? Why not remove all of the guest players from all of the "all star" teams? Also, why is the director/coach MM allowed to play his son who has already completed 8th grade?

A lot of rumors and trolling happen on this site. Is it really true that MM had his older son play on 2023 in this tourney? Did he really kick out A player from True. Because he is not the same player referred to in this recent posts. Crabs has kids on ACS and another group on Team Baltimore in other tourneys. Now it is posted they had kids on True. What about Duke National? Seems odd since that team this year is a major drop off from prior two years, put together a midfield from a prior years B teams, and won nothing.

Why are the Hawks not playing in this tournament ?? Its in their home state and they arent here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Illinois stacked the team with Annapolis Hawks and Crabs, along with other local players. All star teams all around that tourney. Only a few teams were actually made up of consistent rosters.
Uniform distribution took place in the parking lot.
Local lacrosse is dead. The days of playing lacrosse at a reasonable price with neighborhood kids is over.
Not a MM fan to say ththe least but even he couldnt stand for the nonsense.

If this is true, then why remove one kid from one team? Why not remove all of the guest players from all of the "all star" teams? Also, why is the director/coach MM allowed to play his son who has already completed 8th grade?

A lot of rumors and trolling happen on this site. Is it really true that MM had his older son play on 2023 in this tourney? Did he really kick out A player from True. Because he is not the same player referred to in this recent posts. Crabs has kids on ACS and another group on Team Baltimore in other tourneys. Now it is posted they had kids on True. What about Duke National? Seems odd since that team this year is a major drop off from prior two years, put together a midfield from a prior years B teams, and won nothing.

100% true that his son played. 100% true that he kicked out the kid from the Hawks.

If You are going to kick out "guest" players yhem i do wonder why he didn't do the same with all guest players from Both teams? Anybody know why that is? MM care to comment? Why single out one kid. Without guest players NL and LIE meet in the final. No question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was said that this kid was not allowed to play because he was to good and he was a guest player on a team. Everyone local knows him and he is a impact player and probably one of the best on age 2023 players in the country.

from what team

Why didnt the Hawks compete in this tournament? They can come to LI but not play in their own backyard?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why didnt the Hawks compete in this tournament? They can come to LI but not play in their own backyard?

Maybe MM denied their entry.

No other all start teams, good tournament...
Dukes won plenty of tournaments this year....

Other questions???

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Really, that’s ridiculous to deny a local team in playing in a “national championship” tournament. Hope thats not true doesnt say much for the integrity of the tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why didnt the Hawks compete in this tournament? They can come to LI but not play in their own backyard?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why didnt the Hawks compete in this tournament? They can come to LI but not play in their own backyard?

Because they just competed in Naptown. They don’t need to chase phony world or national or North American champion titles. Reminds me of the old WWE where the same 10 wrestlers competed for the diffferemt named titles. And news flash, the recruiting rules chamnged so what is the point of these tourneys other than more money for those who host them. Hawks does it right. Now, on the flip side, ask yourself why Crabs is not at any of them - wsyl, naptown, or Millon - only NLF because it is a founder ....

From the 2023 National Championahip website:

ROSTER VALIDATION

The rising 8th National 2023 championship is trying to ensure we don’t have "super" teams or all-star teams made exclusively for this championship event. All teams must be in the 2023 class and a team that competes year round.

In order to be considered for this Championship the club director must do the following.

Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate.
Provide a copy of the players report card from the 2017 fall school year.
Provide proof of your spring league (you will need their records for seeding purposes).
Provide a list of all fall 2017/spring 2018 tournaments, and summer schedule.
Pay tournament non refundable deposit $1,000

Also from the 2023 NC website. How did 91 Md meet the criteria (winless in Hoco, never won a tournament) —

SELECTION PROCESS

Only teams competing in AA leagues and similar-level tournaments will be considered.

The selection criteria will be based off of the following elements:

Spring league to date (if applicable)
Spring & Fall tournament success
Head to head wins & losses
2017 Summer tournament record
SELECTION COMMITTEE

Our selection committee will be the determining factor on the 16 teams that enter this Championship. The selection committee members are esteemed members of the lacrosse committee and were chosen based on their resume and a few important criteria in regards to the 2022 grad class.

Calm your shorts Hawks dad... it was just a question i have no problem with the Hawks they are a great club. I was just asking if there was a reason behind not playing. They had a great showing at Naptown enjoy the rest of the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the 2023 National Championahip website:

ROSTER VALIDATION

The rising 8th National 2023 championship is trying to ensure we don’t have "super" teams or all-star teams made exclusively for this championship event. All teams must be in the 2023 class and a team that competes year round.

In order to be considered for this Championship the club director must do the following.

Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate.
Provide a copy of the players report card from the 2017 fall school year.
Provide proof of your spring league (you will need their records for seeding purposes).
Provide a list of all fall 2017/spring 2018 tournaments, and summer schedule.
Pay tournament non refundable deposit $1,000

My son played and we never supplied a report card or the name of our school. We had a kid play on our team that none of us had seen before in our life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From the 2023 National Championahip website:

ROSTER VALIDATION

The rising 8th National 2023 championship is trying to ensure we don’t have "super" teams or all-star teams made exclusively for this championship event. All teams must be in the 2023 class and a team that competes year round.

In order to be considered for this Championship the club director must do the following.

Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate.
Provide a copy of the players report card from the 2017 fall school year.
Provide proof of your spring league (you will need their records for seeding purposes).
Provide a list of all fall 2017/spring 2018 tournaments, and summer schedule.
Pay tournament non refundable deposit $1,000

My son played and we never supplied a report card or the name of our school. We had a kid play on our team that none of us had seen before in our life

Lacrosse needs to go the way of travel soccer
Every kid needs a photo ID to play
The tournament was well run really strong field and good refs. If you have to cheat at this level it’s pretty pathetic and hopefully your kids grow up to better than you.

We had to send copy of report card with grade listed to our coach; maybe other teams didn't follow suit. tournament should have stuck with the same rules for all. Definitely kids on teams not on the roster the full season. Such a shame!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

yes but you have to admit the 15-yr old Mater Dei holdbacks help a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

Good enough to win the tournament... not quite good enough to be denied entry by MM's "committee"
This is a team on the rise, though.

Club lacrosse scene at this age is really getting to be too much. Inconsistent Dad coaches, Crazy Parents, selfish players, clubs trying to just win and not develop players, and terrible coaching.... The amount of money time and energy this year for 7th grade lacrosse was really just a flop that a lot of parents are experiencing and has been consistently just going down hill over the years. It is really getting to be a bit much and really need to figure out what club is going to be the best fit next year if any really.... I don't care about wins and losses. Being on the best team is not important... Just want my kid to be coached.

Also how did the Cannons get invited?

Millon 2023 tourney is one of the best U15 events for this grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

"Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate."

Great job by DC Dogs but even according to this rule the MadLax team was not eligible as it was not a team in January. They had "tryouts" in May how could they have a roster in January? The Madlax capital team was going to play along with Club Blue. Does not say much for Madlax when they cannot coach up a team but have to import a team to win.

This is correct. Club Blue team absorbed/affiliated with Madlax for NLF purposes. Lost in HoCo finals to Hawks. Very good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

After meeting MM this weekend, for the first time, he is about as arrogant as they come. I would not put it past him to make his own rules, and not follow them.
Our team submitted all appropriate player information requested, had no guest players, played by the rules.
Here is my take away. Re-name the tournament, because it is just another tournament with poor officiating, no facilities, MM couldn't even trust his employees to keep time on the scoreboard (only for 2 min 1/2 time).
However, the competition was top notch and I was glad to have our team play against teams from all over the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Also not following Tie Breakers listed on website. Say what you want about WSYL they are least required Birth Certiciates and Report Cards with each registration. This “National Championship” a joke

Yes WSYL required that information at the April registration, but they never did a roster check in Denver.

the only way to do that is before each game an official do a visual ID check like in Football and soccer... But lets be honest that's not going to happen at these tournaments, all we can hope for is honest coaches (if that exists)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

"Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate."

Great job by DC Dogs but even according to this rule the MadLax team was not eligible as it was not a team in January. They had "tryouts" in May how could they have a roster in January? The Madlax capital team was going to play along with Club Blue. Does not say much for Madlax when they cannot coach up a team but have to import a team to win.

So a club with only one or two teams wants to join a larger club to help the players on their team how is this a bad thing? Would it been better if they just called themselves Madlax Cap. not DC dogs. Please tell us how this old Club Blue team should of handled this? They could of just all showed up at Madlax tryouts and beat out all the kids already on the Cap team. Would that been ok with you?

Just play and don’t overthink it.. None of these tournaments enforce their rules 100%. I know 3 kids who were not age eligible but still played on WSYL teams in Denver. MM tourney was good with fantastic teams battling all weekend. The Monday morning complaining does not do much and is pretty boring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

"Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate."

Great job by DC Dogs but even according to this rule the MadLax team was not eligible as it was not a team in January. They had "tryouts" in May how could they have a roster in January? The Madlax capital team was going to play along with Club Blue. Does not say much for Madlax when they cannot coach up a team but have to import a team to win.

So a club with only one or two teams wants to join a larger club to help the players on their team how is this a bad thing? Would it been better if they just called themselves Madlax Cap. not DC dogs. Please tell us how this old Club Blue team should of handled this? They could of just all showed up at Madlax tryouts and beat out all the kids already on the Cap team. Would that been ok with you?

Not mad at the DC Dogs at all... good kids and good team. But why hold other teams accountable for "the rules" and not DC Dogs? My issue is with MM - not the Dogs.

I agree that DC Dogs are a good team and it is great to see a DC team with kids from MD and a few VA kids win this tournament. Club Blue would have also won this tournament as the Hawks were not there. I still think this does not show well for Madlax that kids who have played for Capital for many years are now replaced by a whole other team. Meanwhile the old Capital '23 team played in a B tournament this weekend and lost to every 3d team. This does not say much for the clubs ability to develop players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

"Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate."

Great job by DC Dogs but even according to this rule the MadLax team was not eligible as it was not a team in January. They had "tryouts" in May how could they have a roster in January? The Madlax capital team was going to play along with Club Blue. Does not say much for Madlax when they cannot coach up a team but have to import a team to win.

So a club with only one or two teams wants to join a larger club to help the players on their team how is this a bad thing? Would it been better if they just called themselves Madlax Cap. not DC dogs. Please tell us how this old Club Blue team should of handled this? They could of just all showed up at Madlax tryouts and beat out all the kids already on the Cap team. Would that been ok with you?

Not mad at the DC Dogs at all... good kids and good team. But why hold other teams accountable for "the rules" and not DC Dogs? My issue is with MM - not the Dogs.

Exactly! You do not get to pick and chose who follows the rules.

Coach Millon’s son did not play for 91 this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

yes but you have to admit the 15-yr old Mater Dei holdbacks help a lot.

was wondering how old they were, each team had some big kids but they seemed to more than everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coach Millon’s son did not play for 91 this weekend.

YES HE DID! HE PLAYED FOR 91 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are DC Dogs a year round program or all star team?

Yes they used to be Club Blue. Very solid, well coached team. One of the only ones who would meet the tournament “criteria”. Congrats to them on winning

"Submit a complete roster by Jan 15, 2018. Roster must include players number, full name, school, and birthdate."

Great job by DC Dogs but even according to this rule the MadLax team was not eligible as it was not a team in January. They had "tryouts" in May how could they have a roster in January? The Madlax capital team was going to play along with Club Blue. Does not say much for Madlax when they cannot coach up a team but have to import a team to win.

So a club with only one or two teams wants to join a larger club to help the players on their team how is this a bad thing? Would it been better if they just called themselves Madlax Cap. not DC dogs. Please tell us how this old Club Blue team should of handled this? They could of just all showed up at Madlax tryouts and beat out all the kids already on the Cap team. Would that been ok with you?

Not mad at the DC Dogs at all... good kids and good team. But why hold other teams accountable for "the rules" and not DC Dogs? My issue is with MM - not the Dogs.

Exactly! You do not get to pick and chose who follows the rules.

I give MM credit for calling True out, that was a BS move trying to add kids just for the weekend.

Who cares about that 91MD was mediocre at best. if his son played, he was un-noticeable

Who cares about that 91MD was mediocre at best. if his son played, he was un-noticeable

I give MM credit for calling True out, that was a BS move trying to add kids just for the weekend. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about that 91MD was mediocre at best. if his son played, he was un-noticeable

Thanks for the feedback MM. I heard True had some injuries. That was the reason for the additions. Supposedly they were cleared before the tournament. It wasn't until MM saw who it was that there was a problem. Again... why could the other True additions play? why was his 2022 son allowed to play? Why were guest players allowed to play for BLC, Freedom, LIE, and others? ONE KID kicked out? Seems fishy. Did anybody else lose players to MM?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer club lacrosse is the Wild West new frontier with guest players, movement among teams, rising grade players holding back, and not roster requirements. It has become the old hero’s pick up summer league on steroids with no accountability. Families/players accept an invite in late summer after tryouts based on the expectation that the team will remain in tact through summer only to them have the bait and switch. The year round club “season” dues include summer tourneys. All star teams are one thing and should be allowed only in tournaments that are not geared toward competitive club teams that select tournaments with the expectation of competing with similarly situated clubs that do or don’t play in spring league.

The reason there is such backlash in taking this good kid off of the field is because many other teams had Guest players and nothing was done. You do not get to pick and chose nor do you make a spectacle when children are involved. Youth lacrosse has turned in to nothing but money and vendettas for Club owners. Parents should get together and start their own teams. Have the boys who just want to play do so. You would most likely beat all of the club teams!
These are supposed to be fun years for a Child. Not practicing 4 days a week, Tournaments every weekend. Kids are told they can’t even play other sports or attend important events. They may be kicked off a team or lose their starting spot. For what?! Why would parents even allow someone to even dictate this. Can’t wait for this sport to implode along with all of the Club owners. Time for some regulations!

Agreed. A minority of jerks are controlling a majority of families. Yet everyone seemingly goes along with it all because otherwise you are off a good team and, of course, there goes your college offer. Everyone seems to want USL to do anything about this. They won't. College, prep and club coaches have the power and they love all this. Age restrictions would solve a lot. But also the $ makers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer club lacrosse is the Wild West new frontier with guest players, movement among teams, rising grade players holding back, and not roster requirements. It has become the old hero’s pick up summer league on steroids with no accountability. Families/players accept an invite in late summer after tryouts based on the expectation that the team will remain in tact through summer only to them have the bait and switch. The year round club “season” dues include summer tourneys. All star teams are one thing and should be allowed only in tournaments that are not geared toward competitive club teams that select tournaments with the expectation of competing with similarly situated clubs that do or don’t play in spring league.

The reason there is such backlash in taking this good kid off of the field is because many other teams had Guest players and nothing was done. You do not get to pick and chose nor do you make a spectacle when children are involved. Youth lacrosse has turned in to nothing but money and vendettas for Club owners. Parents should get together and start their own teams. Have the boys who just want to play do so. You would most likely beat all of the club teams!
These are supposed to be fun years for a Child. Not practicing 4 days a week, Tournaments every weekend. Kids are told they can’t even play other sports or attend important events. They may be kicked off a team or lose their starting spot. For what?! Why would parents even allow someone to even dictate this. Can’t wait for this sport to implode along with all of the Club owners. Time for some regulations!

Agreed. A minority of jerks are controlling a majority of families. Yet everyone seemingly goes along with it all because otherwise you are off a good team and, of course, there goes your college offer. Everyone seems to want USL to do anything about this. They won't. College, prep and club coaches have the power and they love all this. Age restrictions would solve a lot. But also the $ makers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer club lacrosse is the Wild West new frontier with guest players, movement among teams, rising grade players holding back, and not roster requirements. It has become the old hero’s pick up summer league on steroids with no accountability. Families/players accept an invite in late summer after tryouts based on the expectation that the team will remain in tact through summer only to them have the bait and switch. The year round club “season” dues include summer tourneys. All star teams are one thing and should be allowed only in tournaments that are not geared toward competitive club teams that select tournaments with the expectation of competing with similarly situated clubs that do or don’t play in spring league.

The reason there is such backlash in taking this good kid off of the field is because many other teams had Guest players and nothing was done. You do not get to pick and chose nor do you make a spectacle when children are involved. Youth lacrosse has turned in to nothing but money and vendettas for Club owners. Parents should get together and start their own teams. Have the boys who just want to play do so. You would most likely beat all of the club teams!
These are supposed to be fun years for a Child. Not practicing 4 days a week, Tournaments every weekend. Kids are told they can’t even play other sports or attend important events. They may be kicked off a team or lose their starting spot. For what?! Why would parents even allow someone to even dictate this. Can’t wait for this sport to implode along with all of the Club owners. Time for some regulations!

Agreed. A minority of jerks are controlling a majority of families. Yet everyone seemingly goes along with it all because otherwise you are off a good team and, of course, there goes your college offer. Everyone seems to want USL to do anything about this. They won't. College, prep and club coaches have the power and they love all this. Age restrictions would solve a lot. But also the $ makers.

If any high school or college turns down a great player because some jerk club owner tries to give them a bad reputation then consider yourself lucky. Ask yourself would you actually want your child to play for someone who judges a middle school kid? I think it’s pathetic to actually let your kid endure abuse from a coach for the hopes of a high school scholarship! Yes, the way these kids are treated is abusive. You would never stand for anyone to talk to you in the way these kids are talked to yet we allow it to happen to kids. I know a lot of College coaches and they wouldn’t hold the opinion of many of the Club owners to a high standard. Be a good person first and foremost then from there do your best. If you are a a good player than the right coach will take notice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about that 91MD was mediocre at best. if his son played, he was un-noticeable

I give MM credit for calling True out, that was a BS move trying to add kids just for the weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about that 91MD was mediocre at best. if his son played, he was un-noticeable

Thanks for the feedback MM. I heard True had some injuries. That was the reason for the additions. Supposedly they were cleared before the tournament. It wasn't until MM saw who it was that there was a problem. Again... why could the other True additions play? why was his 2022 son allowed to play? Why were guest players allowed to play for BLC, Freedom, LIE, and others? ONE KID kicked out? Seems fishy. Did anybody else lose players to MM?
[/quote]

Injuries?? C'mon! They had a ton of kids on the squad and 3 of them made the all-tourney team. They got caught and their defense is to point fingers and say other teams are doing it also? Sad

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

We handed in our roster. Had to send in birth certificates and school info. Every one on Freedom is on our roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

Not a Freedom parent, but my son's team plays them often, and I see them at a lot of tournaments - to be honest, most of those kids are with the team throughout the spring and summer. I know that some travel pretty far to play, which raises the issue of whether they are really a "national" team, and there are some questions as to age, but it would be unfair to suggest that they do not have some level of consistency with their roster. I am not suggesting that they do not bring in players, I know that they do because the kids have acknowledged it, but it seems like Freedom is the not the worst of the bunch. Frankly, I don't really care what they do, I would rather play a tough game and lose to the likes of Freedom as opposed to playing some of the bad teams with lousy parents that show up at some of these tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

We handed in our roster. Had to send in birth certificates and school info. Every one on Freedom is on our roster.

Your coaches poached the top kids off the Dukes team to play for what is a local philly team. Wait, then the same coaches ranted and raved to MM and got the hawks kids thrown off the True team right before you played them. Whatever it takes to win! not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

We handed in our roster. Had to send in birth certificates and school info. Every one on Freedom is on our roster.

Your coaches poached the top kids off the Dukes team to play for what is a local philly team. Wait, then the same coaches ranted and raved to MM and got the hawks kids thrown off the True team right before you played them. Whatever it takes to win! not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Don't add kids the week/day before, and if you do, at least put them on the roster that you turn in. Brotherly Love added the kid that was 1st team all tournament on attack, but at least they put him on the roster. Blame your coach for not turning in a roster that has the kids playing on it. DC Dogs hammered True anyway.

At this age group, 18-19 is a good roster size, 21 is pushing it. At many of these tournaments I have seen rosters of 26-to 28 and three goalies. Now this did not happen in my son's case but if they bring in "guest" players at the expense of playing time to players who have been on the team paying full price, time to switch teams. Next year is a big year and tryouts are in August. Ask the team ownership or follow which teams use guest players. Good to see teams like Hawks and DC dogs compete with local players who stick together. There was a post on here earlier about how Hawks run a Zone and it is bad for player development which I completely disagree with. However, what is far worse for developing lax IQ is guest players who are not given time to learn team concepts. I think it is pathetic that knowledgeable coaches who know better care more about a 7th grade fictional championship them developing players for the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

We handed in our roster. Had to send in birth certificates and school info. Every one on Freedom is on our roster.

Your coaches poached the top kids off the Dukes team to play for what is a local philly team. Wait, then the same coaches ranted and raved to MM and got the hawks kids thrown off the True team right before you played them. Whatever it takes to win! not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Don't add kids the week/day before, and if you do, at least put them on the roster that you turn in. Brotherly Love added the kid that was 1st team all tournament on attack, but at least they put him on the roster. Blame your coach for not turning in a roster that has the kids playing on it. DC Dogs hammered True anyway.

Is the tournament team posted anywhere?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

Not a Freedom parent, but my son's team plays them often, and I see them at a lot of tournaments - to be honest, most of those kids are with the team throughout the spring and summer. I know that some travel pretty far to play, which raises the issue of whether they are really a "national" team, and there are some questions as to age, but it would be unfair to suggest that they do not have some level of consistency with their roster. I am not suggesting that they do not bring in players, I know that they do because the kids have acknowledged it, but it seems like Freedom is the not the worst of the bunch. Frankly, I don't really care what they do, I would rather play a tough game and lose to the likes of Freedom as opposed to playing some of the bad teams with lousy parents that show up at some of these tournaments.

Our team played them and saw them at tournaments and spring league all year year long. Definitely out of state kids, but the same ones. They didn't even win so what are you crying about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

Not one change to the roster all year. Just new or the same people complaining every week

Originally Posted by 1026ME

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coach Millon’s son did not play for 91 this weekend.

YES HE DID! HE PLAYED FOR 91 2023.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, #ALLCAPS

US Lax needs to step up... do the right thing. It's a growing sport and they will continue to make $$$. Club lax is a s@$% show.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

We handed in our roster. Had to send in birth certificates and school info. Every one on Freedom is on our roster.

Your coaches poached the top kids off the Dukes team to play for what is a local philly team. Wait, then the same coaches ranted and raved to MM and got the hawks kids thrown off the True team right before you played them. Whatever it takes to win! not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Don't add kids the week/day before, and if you do, at least put them on the roster that you turn in. Brotherly Love added the kid that was 1st team all tournament on attack, but at least they put him on the roster. Blame your coach for not turning in a roster that has the kids playing on it. DC Dogs hammered True anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom adds kids every week, they are a disgrace to youth lacrosse, MM should have thrown them our of the tournament before it began .

We handed in our roster. Had to send in birth certificates and school info. Every one on Freedom is on our roster.

Your coaches poached the top kids off the Dukes team to play for what is a local philly team. Wait, then the same coaches ranted and raved to MM and got the hawks kids thrown off the True team right before you played them. Whatever it takes to win! not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Don't add kids the week/day before, and if you do, at least put them on the roster that you turn in. Brotherly Love added the kid that was 1st team all tournament on attack, but at least they put him on the roster. Blame your coach for not turning in a roster that has the kids playing on it. DC Dogs hammered True anyway.

So if you put the 15 year old on your roster your ok but bring in some kid non roster it’s not ok? Youth lacrosse is rediculous.

How many 22's Hawks reclassing and will be playing for 23's next year?

Guess you will have to wait until spring to find out unless your son makes the team. Better learn how to beat a zone defense. #alwayshatingonthehawks #cantbeatthemjointhem

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 22's Hawks reclassing and will be playing for 23's next year?

Not a single one. All are committed to the various high schools they chose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 22's Hawks reclassing and will be playing for 23's next year?

Not a single one. All are committed to the various high schools they chose

Goalie?

go back to birthdays...problem solved

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 22's Hawks reclassing and will be playing for 23's next year?

Not a single one. All are committed to the various high schools they chose

Goalie?

One is fully committed to Dematha. Other is already a 2023 but will stay up with 2022. He will go up to 2021 before ever playing 2023

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Well this old timer will tell you these things go in cycles and the Hawks are always good just like the other classic clubs in the area. But the history will tell you that each of these top clubs will be great at one or two grade/ age groups and just good at the others. Do not sleep on the tricks of these veteran club owners they will make the weak teams under them better they always do. If I had a dollar for every time I heard Club X is dead at this age I would be rich.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

go back to birthdays...problem solved

I was around during the "birthday" years. People cheated then too. It was probably even worse since you had a 12 year old playing u11 vs some 10 year olds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Someone trying to start rumors. Wait a few minutes and they will respond to their own post. Worry about your own team but more importantly focus on your own kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Someone trying to start rumors. Wait a few minutes and they will respond to their own post. Worry about your own team but more importantly focus on your own kid.

Let me guess ... your kid made Crabs 2023 for the first time this year ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Someone trying to start rumors. Wait a few minutes and they will respond to their own post. Worry about your own team but more importantly focus on your own kid.

Let me guess ... your kid made Crabs 2023 for the first time this year ....

Or he is one of the dads everyone wanted to get away from after the 6th grade season when half the team left to set in motion the downward spiral

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your coaches poached the top kids off the Dukes team to play for what is a local philly team. Wait, then the same coaches ranted and raved to MM and got the hawks kids thrown off the True team right before you played them. Whatever it takes to win! not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

I was standing there when our coaches discussed this with the tournament organizers after another one of our parents noticed the kid who was NOT on the True team, but rather a Hawks player. Turns out the kid was not on the roster at all, which is completely contrary to the rules of the tournament. This was done before any games were played rather than WAIT and bring it up after the games were played and have True end up forfeiting their games. Seems like a relatively fair way to do it for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't add kids the week/day before, and if you do, at least put them on the roster that you turn in. Brotherly Love added the kid that was 1st team all tournament on attack, but at least they put him on the roster. Blame your coach for not turning in a roster that has the kids playing on it. DC Dogs hammered True anyway.

Way I heard it they had a 1st team all-tournament defenseman who wasn't legit. The name was on their roster, but the player wasn't actually the name on the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you will have to wait until spring to find out unless your son makes the team. Better learn how to beat a zone defense. #alwayshatingonthehawks #cantbeatthemjointhem

College coaches love watching kids playing zone D. #tooslowforman. #allaboutthewins

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Someone trying to start rumors. Wait a few minutes and they will respond to their own post. Worry about your own team but more importantly focus on your own kid.

Let me guess ... your kid made Crabs 2023 for the first time this year ....

Or he is one of the dads everyone wanted to get away from after the 6th grade season when half the team left to set in motion the downward spiral

Or maybe one of the dads that left to get away from the parents who always complain about their son's playing time. Or, maybe this is all speculation. In the end you really should worry about your own kid and stop worrying about other people and what they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you will have to wait until spring to find out unless your son makes the team. Better learn how to beat a zone defense. #alwayshatingonthehawks #cantbeatthemjointhem

College coaches love watching kids playing zone D. #tooslowforman. #allaboutthewins

Just focus on finishing the eighth grade first kids. No college coach is watching you play D in 7th or 8th grade...C'mon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Someone trying to start rumors. Wait a few minutes and they will respond to their own post. Worry about your own team but more importantly focus on your own kid.

Let me guess ... your kid made Crabs 2023 for the first time this year ....

Who are you going to blame when your kid doesn't even make the Crabs team next year? That is a painful reality for you, that is why you are so bitter towards kids. Kids leaving the team, new kids added to the team...the outcome will be the same for you no matter what. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you will have to wait until spring to find out unless your son makes the team. Better learn how to beat a zone defense. #alwayshatingonthehawks #cantbeatthemjointhem

College coaches love watching kids playing zone D. #tooslowforman. #allaboutthewins

Correct watch every top 2022 team in 3-7 grade that played zone D. Igloo API all struggle as they get older. You play zone D to win games as coach it does not develop talent. You also play zone D because you do not have talent

There are no college coaches watching 2023’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 22's Hawks reclassing and will be playing for 23's next year?

Not a single one. All are committed to the various high schools they chose

Goalie?

One is fully committed to Dematha. Other is already a 2023 but will stay up with 2022. He will go up to 2021 before ever playing 2023

2022s won’t play spring ball any more. He’ll play 2023.

Originally Posted by 1026ME

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coach Millon’s son did not play for 91 this weekend.

YES HE DID! HE PLAYED FOR 91 2023.

Stop Spreading Rumors. He is 2022

I like to come in and look at the 2023 and younger forums sometimes.

After looking at them, it makes me so glad my sons are in High School playing now.

The same garbage is going on now as a couple of years ago. It actually sounds worse .

The worst thing I see and hear is that the Holdback/prefirst/reclass garbage is growing.

Our sport is a non money sport that is becoming a joke in fair play as it pertains to youth lacrosse . I dont see it getting any better frankly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Someone trying to start rumors. Wait a few minutes and they will respond to their own post. Worry about your own team but more importantly focus on your own kid.

Let me guess ... your kid made Crabs 2023 for the first time this year ....

Probably had to do prefirst and then reclass later to make team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan is the new king of Maryland youth lacrosse - best teams, best tournaments, etc. Look at 2023. Owns Crabs and RM. Dominant team. Naptown destroyed Young Guns. Look for the best remaining Crabs to tryout for Hawks.

Someone trying to start rumors. Wait a few minutes and they will respond to their own post. Worry about your own team but more importantly focus on your own kid.

Let me guess ... your kid made Crabs 2023 for the first time this year ....

Probably had to do prefirst and then reclass later to make team

Many of them are and the parents see that it hasn't helped one bit. They are bitter towards kids who are good players and on age. All of the drama created by them. Blaming coaches, players, other parents. Creating an unhealthy environment for kids to be around all because they want more playing time for their own kid.

Millon’s son repeating 8th - sorry, reclassed for all of you sensitive to that - to 2023 & switching schools. Fact.

Or you play zone D because the other team is full of holdbacks and older kids that you can’t match up physically. It’s actually the smartest way to play against older players that are bigger and stronger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Millon’s son repeating 8th - sorry, reclassed for all of you sensitive to that - to 2023 & switching schools. Fact.

That says all you need to know about current state of lacrosse.

He is no different than any other coach associated with Baltimore Private schools who has a son playing lacrosse. I cant think of one that has not held their son back. They all know the drill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Millon’s son repeating 8th - sorry, reclassed for all of you sensitive to that - to 2023 & switching schools. Fact.

Not sure how you would know that. But since you are in the know, will MM take over coaching 2023 MD 91? If so, that means he will look to recruit for that team.

Is the Crabs owner in charge of NLF? Or did the 2023 just get lucky to have he easiest first two games. Put in a 4 team division with True but did not have play that team. And based on tiebreakers ends up with the 3 seed and plays HHH. So Crabs walks into the semis where they will get embarrassed by True.

Crabs will turn over fifty percent of its roster. Most of those middies that filled in after the exodus last year will be gone. 5th grade won three legit tourneys and 6th grade dominated. This year’s team won a rec level tournament. Now RM takes over. Heads will roll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Crabs owner in charge of NLF? Or did the 2023 just get lucky to have he easiest first two games. Put in a 4 team division with True but did not have play that team. And based on tiebreakers ends up with the 3 seed and plays HHH. So Crabs walks into the semis where they will get embarrassed by True.

Yes Crabs and HHH always get gifted an easy schedule so it looks like they did well. But get trashed when they play anyone decent.

LI Express last weekend and now bandits lost to DC Dogs today and it wasn’t even close. Now all the hold back conspiracy folks will start chirping.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Millon’s son repeating 8th - sorry, reclassed for all of you sensitive to that - to 2023 & switching schools. Fact.

Not sure how you would know that. But since you are in the know, will MM take over coaching 2023 MD 91? If so, that means he will look to recruit for that team.

It’s pretty common knowledge & not hard to come by if your son, like mine, is a 2023, goes to a MIAA school & plays club lacrosse. The boys all have friends on every team & the parents know coaches in most of the programs. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that he will coach his son’s team. But I don’t know for certain.

The Shore 2 Shore win over the DC Dogs looks pretty impressive. The D.C. Dogas are on a run since that game. Who is Shore?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Millon’s son repeating 8th - sorry, reclassed for all of you sensitive to that - to 2023 & switching schools. Fact.

Not sure how you would know that. But since you are in the know, will MM take over coaching 2023 MD 91? If so, that means he will look to recruit for that team.

It’s pretty common knowledge & not hard to come by if your son, like mine, is a 2023, goes to a MIAA school & plays club lacrosse. The boys all have friends on every team & the parents know coaches in most of the programs. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that he will coach his son’s team. But I don’t know for certain.

Since the 2023 team has yet to win a game in the HoCo for 2 years or any tournament ever, and with tryouts two weeks away, it seems MM would advertise his takeover of 2023 to increase interest in the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express last weekend and now bandits lost to DC Dogs today and it wasn’t even close. Now all the hold back conspiracy folks will start chirping.

Nice,back to back weekends the number one and two team in the world(lol) lose in their next tournament. Reality sets in when you don’t have older kids.

You mean 16 year olds with next level kids carrying the weight for the dogs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express last weekend and now bandits lost to DC Dogs today and it wasn’t even close. Now all the hold back conspiracy folks will start chirping.

Conspiracy? Do you have any clue about Mater Dei? If you did you would realize how idiotic your statement is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express last weekend and now bandits lost to DC Dogs today and it wasn’t even close. Now all the hold back conspiracy folks will start chirping.

Nice,back to back weekends the number one and two team in the world(lol) lose in their next tournament. Reality sets in when you don’t have older kids.

Reality??? Having older kids and pulling kids from other teams just to win a championship should NOT be reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express last weekend and now bandits lost to DC Dogs today and it wasn’t even close. Now all the hold back conspiracy folks will start chirping.

Conspiracy? Do you have any clue about Mater Dei? If you did you would realize how idiotic your statement is.

AKA the only middle school to issue stundent parking pass

Amazing the team that got caught cheating and the team with the oldest kids play back to back weeks in the finals. Great examples of how youth lacrosse shouldn’t be...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Express last weekend and now bandits lost to DC Dogs today and it wasn’t even close. Now all the hold back conspiracy folks will start chirping.

Conspiracy? Do you have any clue about Mater Dei? If you did you would realize how idiotic your statement is.

Crabs are like little minnows when it comes to holdbacks/reclassed compared to Mater Dei...Is there anyone that even goes there that is proper age for grade??

Check out DC Dogs vs True on ESPN 3 at NLF....Even the announcers made note of the fact that some of the kids look like High Schoolers....what a joke!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out DC Dogs vs True on ESPN 3 at NLF....Even the announcers made note of the fact that some of the kids look like High Schoolers....what a joke!

It’s a joke Dogs has kids that will drive as Freshman and True brings kids from all over that aren’t on there rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs will turn over fifty percent of its roster. Most of those middies that filled in after the exodus last year will be gone. 5th grade won three legit tourneys and 6th grade dominated. This year’s team won a rec level tournament. Now RM takes over. Heads will roll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs will turn over fifty percent of its roster. Most of those middies that filled in after the exodus last year will be gone. 5th grade won three legit tourneys and 6th grade dominated. This year’s team won a rec level tournament. Now RM takes over. Heads will roll.

Don’t walk...run!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out DC Dogs vs True on ESPN 3 at NLF....Even the announcers made note of the fact that some of the kids look like High Schoolers....what a joke!

It’s a joke Dogs has kids that will drive as Freshman and True brings kids from all over that aren’t on there rosters.

One of the Dogs players got in his car and drove off after their game against the Bandits, meanwhile the Dogs parents were trying to convince the Bandits parents that they were all 13. So dumb. Why lie about it? Just own it so people know what they’re choosing to go up against.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check out DC Dogs vs True on ESPN 3 at NLF....Even the announcers made note of the fact that some of the kids look like High Schoolers....what a joke!

It’s a joke Dogs has kids that will drive as Freshman and True brings kids from all over that aren’t on there rosters.

One of the Dogs players got in his car and drove off after their game against the Bandits, meanwhile the Dogs parents were trying to convince the Bandits parents that they were all 13. So dumb. Why lie about it? Just own it so people know what they’re choosing to go up against.

Hopefully that is an exaggeration. Still the age difference in many teams is noticeable at times

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

They still couldn't beat the Hawks last month.

It's a broken system. Schools and coaches at the 6-8th grade levels somehow need to find the morals to step in and address this with parents who are happy to work the system. Maybe the Millennial coaches can stop it... and how is it that often it's the high end or expensive schools that are the worst offenders??

Now that tournaments are for the most part complete and with tryouts starting early to mid August this is a key year for this group. Here are my rankings for what is likely to be the HOCO elite bracket in the spring. Too many teams to rank them all:
1. Hawks: Despite a zone d they still are the team to beat
2. DC Dogs (CB): close number 2 improved team need to beat Hawks
3. Crabs: well below the top two could fall further with a bad tryout
4-5. NL and Looney's: this is an interesting matchup as they each had some good wins and bad losses. Hard to separate these two. Not sure what happened to NL at Young Guns
6. FCA loss's to Looney's places them at 6 but very solid team could move to #3 with a good tryout.
7. Bethesda-DCE. Seem to be going in the other direction may move down further. Not a great summer showing.
8. The next team to enter Elite. Most likely VLC but could be SR or Cav. VLC appeared to play the toughest summer schedule and only second year team.
9. Team 91: Is Millon going to coach his son???
2019 HOCO season should be fun. Enjoy youth lacrosse this last season for these boys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tournaments are for the most part complete and with tryouts starting early to mid August this is a key year for this group. Here are my rankings for what is likely to be the HOCO elite bracket in the spring. Too many teams to rank them all:
1. Hawks: Despite a zone d they still are the team to beat
2. DC Dogs (CB): close number 2 improved team need to beat Hawks
3. Crabs: well below the top two could fall further with a bad tryout
4-5. NL and Looney's: this is an interesting matchup as they each had some good wins and bad losses. Hard to separate these two. Not sure what happened to NL at Young Guns
6. FCA loss's to Looney's places them at 6 but very solid team could move to #3 with a good tryout.
7. Bethesda-DCE. Seem to be going in the other direction may move down further. Not a great summer showing.
8. The next team to enter Elite. Most likely VLC but could be SR or Cav. VLC appeared to play the toughest summer schedule and only second year team.
9. Team 91: Is Millon going to coach his son???
2019 HOCO season should be fun. Enjoy youth lacrosse this last season for these boys!

The holdback division. My older kid who did an extra year of school can bear your on age kid. Who cares. Snowflake gets an advantage cause daddy will spend an extra $25k to live his lacrosse dream through junior who could not hack on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tournaments are for the most part complete and with tryouts starting early to mid August this is a key year for this group. Here are my rankings for what is likely to be the HOCO elite bracket in the spring. Too many teams to rank them all:
1. Hawks: Despite a zone d they still are the team to beat
2. DC Dogs (CB): close number 2 improved team need to beat Hawks
3. Crabs: well below the top two could fall further with a bad tryout
4-5. NL and Looney's: this is an interesting matchup as they each had some good wins and bad losses. Hard to separate these two. Not sure what happened to NL at Young Guns
6. FCA loss's to Looney's places them at 6 but very solid team could move to #3 with a good tryout.
7. Bethesda-DCE. Seem to be going in the other direction may move down further. Not a great summer showing.
8. The next team to enter Elite. Most likely VLC but could be SR or Cav. VLC appeared to play the toughest summer schedule and only second year team.
9. Team 91: Is Millon going to coach his son???
2019 HOCO season should be fun. Enjoy youth lacrosse this last season for these boys!

Is the FOGO and attack (the one that score a bunch of goals against True DC or Next Level (Played for them at the WSYL)? They are difference makers for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me. [/quote
That's what it has become. Win at all costs. You cant even say that the boys are getting better playing against kids 2 to 3 years younger. The dogs with much older kids even took the best kids from another team just to try to win. Disgrace.

And Madlax brought them in and kicked their Capital 2023 team to the curb. The team will win a lot this year, but will be less impressive as the years go on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me.

I know I'm old and all an my memory escapes me from time to time, but DC Dogs lost the championship to True right? Why would they have been acting like they won something?

The lefty attack is definitely from next level. He scored one goal against bandits. Other than that was ineffective. Got pulled out of the game early in the 3rd quarter after a bandits defenseman took the ball away from him

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me. [/quote
That's what it has become. Win at all costs. You cant even say that the boys are getting better playing against kids 2 to 3 years younger. The dogs with much older kids even took the best kids from another team just to try to win. Disgrace.

This is ridiculous- every time someone loses to a team they make excuses about the kids being older. It just isn’t true. Even the MIAA has eligibility rules - can’t be 19 before entering your senior year of high school. Do you really think that people would risk missing a season of highschool ball to play youth lacrosse...do the math, it’s just not probable.

Just because a kid is big, does not mean he is older. There’s this thing called puberty that rears it’s ugly head right about now. One of the biggest and most talented kids on my sons team is the youngest by far. The few summer birthday ‘holdbacks’ are some of the smallest kids on his team.

Let’s just chalk it up to a good team and a competitive season with no one truly dominating like they have in the past. Hawks, DC Dogs, Team 91, Express, Dukes, ACS, True, have all proven to be worthy opponents... hopefully they all play again soon. There always has to be a winner and a lost. Seems like some adults need to learn that just as much as the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me.

I know I'm old and all an my memory escapes me from time to time, but DC Dogs lost the championship to True right? Why would they have been acting like they won something?

Ever hear of the Catholic Mafia? They are insufferable

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me.

I know I'm old and all an my memory escapes me from time to time, but DC Dogs lost the championship to True right? Why would they have been acting like they won something?

Ever hear of the Catholic Mafia? They are insufferable

True was bigger than DC Dogs. Even the ESPN announcers acknowledged that. Stop the whining and just watch them play. When boys get recruited, no one cares how their 8th grade team did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me. [/quote
That's what it has become. Win at all costs. You cant even say that the boys are getting better playing against kids 2 to 3 years younger. The dogs with much older kids even took the best kids from another team just to try to win. Disgrace.

This is ridiculous- every time someone loses to a team they make excuses about the kids being older. It just isn’t true. Even the MIAA has eligibility rules - can’t be 19 before entering your senior year of high school. Do you really think that people would risk missing a season of highschool ball to play youth lacrosse...do the math, it’s just not probable.

Just because a kid is big, does not mean he is older. There’s this thing called puberty that rears it’s ugly head right about now. One of the biggest and most talented kids on my sons team is the youngest by far. The few summer birthday ‘holdbacks’ are some of the smallest kids on his team.

Let’s just chalk it up to a good team and a competitive season with no one truly dominating like they have in the past. Hawks, DC Dogs, Team 91, Express, Dukes, ACS, True, have all proven to be worthy opponents... hopefully they all play again soon. There always has to be a winner and a lost. Seems like some adults need to learn that just as much as the kids.

No, There is a reason why the vitriol is aimed at allowing older players to compete against younger players in youth sports. Simple reason..IT IS WRONG .

Apologists like you need to realize giving an advantage to a select group of children goes against everything that is taught to our youth of today.

Thinking that all these kids are not older ( prefirst/reclass/heldback/failed.etc) and telling us it is puberty is laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me. [/quote
That's what it has become. Win at all costs. You cant even say that the boys are getting better playing against kids 2 to 3 years younger. The dogs with much older kids even took the best kids from another team just to try to win. Disgrace.

This is ridiculous- every time someone loses to a team they make excuses about the kids being older. It just isn’t true. Even the MIAA has eligibility rules - can’t be 19 before entering your senior year of high school. Do you really think that people would risk missing a season of highschool ball to play youth lacrosse...do the math, it’s just not probable.

Just because a kid is big, does not mean he is older. There’s this thing called puberty that rears it’s ugly head right about now. One of the biggest and most talented kids on my sons team is the youngest by far. The few summer birthday ‘holdbacks’ are some of the smallest kids on his team.

Let’s just chalk it up to a good team and a competitive season with no one truly dominating like they have in the past. Hawks, DC Dogs, Team 91, Express, Dukes, ACS, True, have all proven to be worthy opponents... hopefully they all play again soon. There always has to be a winner and a lost. Seems like some adults need to learn that just as much as the kids.

Please. The day this sport forces players to disclose age and honor age restrictions is the day all these holdback corner cutters will hate. Stop justifying how they game the system as if there was any honor in that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Shore 2 Shore win over the DC Dogs looks pretty impressive. The D.C. Dogas are on a run since that game. Who is Shore?

They weren’t so impressive in Denver...... hmmmmm. Now why would that be ??!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me.

I know I'm old and all an my memory escapes me from time to time, but DC Dogs lost the championship to True right? Why would they have been acting like they won something?

Ever hear of the Catholic Mafia? They are insufferable

True was bigger than DC Dogs. Even the ESPN announcers acknowledged that. Stop the whining and just watch them play. When boys get recruited, no one cares how their 8th grade team did.

Saw both teams last week at Milon and no way is True bigger than DC. True isn't small and has one enormous pole that doesn't play, but Dogs had 10 kids as big as the 1-2 big middies True had. Its funny Dogs won last week and than added the kids from Next Level, that is pretty pathetic....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me.

Ok if you want to call out the holdbacks i understand and I am fine with it. But when you use age gaps that are just to far apart you sound dumb. The worse case holdback/reclass kid is 18 months older then the youngest kid. If any kid holds back longer then this gap they will not be able to play SR. year in high school. Someone else can please chime in here and explain the Prep school 5th year SR. rules. Feel free

It was interesting that the accouncers could not find many of the True players on the roster they were provided. They also commented at how large the rosters were but how little the teams subbed mentioning burn out for these young players. In addition how the parents screamed at everything. Sort of a summary of many things wrong with youth lacrosse. However considering who the announcer was it is not as if he is not a part of the problem.

I agree colleges don't care about how players performed in an 8th grade tournament, but lets level the playing field. The 2023 tournaments are a sham. You have high school eligible athletes playing against kids that haven't reached puberty. In most cases, the younger players are much more talented but have trouble keeping up with the size and speed of the older athletes. True was irrelevant and DC Dogs weren't able to enter their all star team in the WSYL (BTW Some of the DC Dogs played for Next Level ). Why? Because their older athletes could not meet the age requirements. Say what you want, but if you want to fairly judge how successful a team is all tournaments should be based on age. Who would win if a varsity teamed played a JV team?

By the time the '23's are being recruited, the older kids will be a non-factor. The other boys will have caught up physically and will be better prepared as they've been essentially playing up. Enjoy they next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son went to school with two of the boys and they are supposed to be rising 10th graders ! 2021. That is so bad and that’s just two he knew

Watched part of the game with my son. The craziest thing was the Dog parents cheering like they won the lottery at the end! If their kids are rising 10th graders, that’s 15! Most 2023 kids are 12/13! You’re cheering because you beat kids 2 and 3 years younger??? I don’t get it. What am I missing here? Seems pretty embarrassing to me.

I know I'm old and all an my memory escapes me from time to time, but DC Dogs lost the championship to True right? Why would they have been acting like they won something?

Ever hear of the Catholic Mafia? They are insufferable

True was bigger than DC Dogs. Even the ESPN announcers acknowledged that. Stop the whining and just watch them play. When boys get recruited, no one cares how their 8th grade team did.

Saw both teams last week at Milon and no way is True bigger than DC. True isn't small and has one enormous pole that doesn't play, but Dogs had 10 kids as big as the 1-2 big middies True had. Its funny Dogs won last week and than added the kids from Next Level, that is pretty pathetic....

I was at the game since one of my sons played in a later game. I heard a “True” parent tell his son after the celebrations to remember to give them back their Jersey. There was a big kid that had his Long Island Express helmet (which is clear evidence that he is not a member of the team) and I was told (and have listened to it) that if you looked at the game on ESPN that commentators mentioned a few kids that were not on the roster (especially the enormous kid wearing the #61 Jersey).
SO it’s very clear that True added a few impactful new players to the team that played in the finals (versus the remainder of the tournament) that were new,bigger and obviously older than the rest of the team.
A simple example of the difference they made was at the 2023 Championships DC Dogs were able to control the FO but this weekend they could not handle the new faceoff guy.

But that’s the nature of the game, and it will not change until there of photo check-ins prior to FO at these game ( similar to soccer and football).

just a quick note on holdbacks etc. sure there are some but at the end of day talent wins out. a slow, small kid will inevitably end up a slow, small kid. the reality of the situation is there are better athletes playing the game now. they are bigger and faster. kids who's parents played football or hoops and by default were better athletes back in the day. have any of you seen the size and athleticism at an AAU hoops game or FBU football game at this age group?

DC Dogs only had one kid from NL...the lefty attack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just a quick note on holdbacks etc. sure there are some but at the end of day talent wins out. a slow, small kid will inevitably end up a slow, small kid. the reality of the situation is there are better athletes playing the game now. they are bigger and faster. kids who's parents played football or hoops and by default were better athletes back in the day. have any of you seen the size and athleticism at an AAU hoops game or FBU football game at this age group?

Which category is your son in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just a quick note on holdbacks etc. sure there are some but at the end of day talent wins out. a slow, small kid will inevitably end up a slow, small kid. the reality of the situation is there are better athletes playing the game now. they are bigger and faster. kids who's parents played football or hoops and by default were better athletes back in the day. have any of you seen the size and athleticism at an AAU hoops game or FBU football game at this age group?

Not sure that I really follow the point, a holdback is a holdback, regardless of their athletic ability (and there a lot more than "some"). Yes there are players that are more athletic than others, but they should be better playing kids their own age. Obviously, when high school comes around, things level out, and perhaps to the disadvantage of the holdback that has been playing kids 2 or 3 years younger. As for the single tournament guest players, that is simply pathetic, there is absolutely no justification for it, maybe to replace a goalie, but otherwise total nonsense.

All those big guys on DC Dogs are holdbacks. No shock since most of the team is from Mater Dei.

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just a quick note on holdbacks etc. sure there are some but at the end of day talent wins out. a slow, small kid will inevitably end up a slow, small kid. the reality of the situation is there are better athletes playing the game now. they are bigger and faster. kids who's parents played football or hoops and by default were better athletes back in the day. have any of you seen the size and athleticism at an AAU hoops game or FBU football game at this age group?

Age is age...and holdback/prefirst is overage for his grade. It is an advantage for sure, And if you are average, It makes you above average at lower ages.

Go to any top tier soccer tournament..Look at U13, U14,U15, U16 etc . It is a slow progression of height and size. I was at a elite Disney Tournament and it was easy to see. Of course there is the occasional outlier. But it is easy to see the progression. Especially up to U17.. All this , He is on age , he is on age is laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

Not with the players on that team

Elite athletes are not held back often and will be elite regardless. There are not many high level athletes playing this game. That is slowly changing. Those are often the kids assumed to be holdbacks or too old. In other sports they would be average size, speed etc. the days of local kids who play thru high school and can use the game to get to college are numbered unless they have size or speed, possibly both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

That is easy to figure out. The 2023 Team 01 MD is really the 2022 Team 91 MD playing down at 2023. Do you think people are not in tune with what MM is doing? He is a total disgrace to youth lacrosse and his son is following in his footsteps. At some point next year I wouldn't be shocked to see MM tossed out of a game and suspended for another game. Youth lacrosse, at any level/age group would be better off without a donkey like M&M. He is bad for the game and bad in general.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

That is easy to figure out. The 2023 Team 01 MD is really the 2022 Team 91 MD playing down at 2023. Do you think people are not in tune with what MM is doing? He is a total disgrace to youth lacrosse and his son is following in his footsteps. At some point next year I wouldn't be shocked to see MM tossed out of a game and suspended for another game. Youth lacrosse, at any level/age group would be better off without a donkey like MM. He is bad for the game and bad in general.

If half the stuff said about him is true..you are right. A supposed Ambassadors of the game acting like he does is just bad for lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just a quick note on holdbacks etc. sure there are some but at the end of day talent wins out. a slow, small kid will inevitably end up a slow, small kid. the reality of the situation is there are better athletes playing the game now. they are bigger and faster. kids who's parents played football or hoops and by default were better athletes back in the day. have any of you seen the size and athleticism at an AAU hoops game or FBU football game at this age group?

Not sure that I really follow the point, a holdback is a holdback, regardless of their athletic ability (and there a lot more than "some"). Yes there are players that are more athletic than others, but they should be better playing kids their own age. Obviously, when high school comes around, things level out, and perhaps to the disadvantage of the holdback that has been playing kids 2 or 3 years younger. As for the single tournament guest players, that is simply pathetic, there is absolutely no justification for it, maybe to replace a goalie, but otherwise total nonsense.

^^^ What she said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

My guess is most of that current team will leave if MM is coming down with his 22 holdback squad. No one wants to deal with that guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

My guess is most of that current team will leave if MM is coming down with his 22 holdback squad. No one wants to deal with that guy.

0-13 55 GF 170 GA in last two years in HoCo, yeah stick with the current situation it’s so much more promising.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

My guess is most of that current team will leave if MM is coming down with his 22 holdback squad. No one wants to deal with that guy.

0-13 55 GF 170 GA in last two years in HoCo, yeah stick with the current situation it’s so much more promising.

Over those two years, same players. Not one elite players. Starters are AA/A, backups are B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction...Next year 2023 Team 91 MD wins NLF Championship with MM at head. Heard it here first.

My guess is most of that current team will leave if MM is coming down with his 22 holdback squad. No one wants to deal with that guy.

0-13 55 GF 170 GA in last two years in HoCo, yeah stick with the current situation it’s so much more promising.

Over those two years, same players. Not one elite players. Starters are AA/A, backups are B.

This team would not win AA or A

I have considered reclassify my son, although he is 100% against it. How do you sell an extra year of school as well as being laughed at by the kids that were in your class the year before..the 2nd is a much bigger issue for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have considered reclassify my son, although he is 100% against it. How do you sell an extra year of school as well as being laughed at by the kids that were in your class the year before..the 2nd is a much bigger issue for him.

Glad to see there is a parent out there who considers his kid’s take on it all. You don’t sell it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have considered reclassify my son, although he is 100% against it. How do you sell an extra year of school as well as being laughed at by the kids that were in your class the year before..the 2nd is a much bigger issue for him.

And what does the Parent and reclassified kid at the 2024 tryout and first team practice? Hello suckers, could not cut it on age playing with 2023s so I repeated a grade to take your spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have considered reclassify my son, although he is 100% against it. How do you sell an extra year of school as well as being laughed at by the kids that were in your class the year before..the 2nd is a much bigger issue for him.

Not trying to play internet psychologist, but to be honest, why are you pushing something that your son does not want, you may end up turning him off to the sport, and placing unneeded peer pressure on him. Kids have it hard enough these days with their peers, social life, etc. I know that you are probably doing what you think is best for your son, but not sure that it is worth it in the long run.

So Millon’s Kid is reclassing to 2023 but he is not going to be the 2023 coach? How long before the talent starts flying in to help the 2023s look good?

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So Millon’s Kid is reclassing to 2023 but he is not going to be the 2023 coach? How long before the talent starts flying in to help the 2023s look good?

Well the 2002 team he coached was 1-5 in HoCo so he won a game more than 2023...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Millon’s Kid is reclassing to 2023 but he is not going to be the 2023 coach? How long before the talent starts flying in to help the 2023s look good?

Well the 2002 team he coached was 1-5 in HoCo so he won a game more than 2023...

This assumes they play in the elite bracket. Should they move down or be moved down?

Heck my son would love to reclassify - he knows he’d crush it against younger kids who tend to be smaller, slower and less experienced. It’s obvious to him what advantages come with being a year older than other kids on the field. I’m the one discouraging it by promising that those advantages dissipate by junior year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Millon’s Kid is reclassing to 2023 but he is not going to be the 2023 coach? How long before the talent starts flying in to help the 2023s look good?

His son is not he only 2022 kid reclassing down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Millon’s Kid is reclassing to 2023 but he is not going to be the 2023 coach? How long before the talent starts flying in to help the 2023s look good?

That wont happen. He will be coach ,,,no way he isnt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck my son would love to reclassify - he knows he’d crush it against younger kids who tend to be smaller, slower and less experienced. It’s obvious to him what advantages come with being a year older than other kids on the field. I’m the one discouraging it by promising that those advantages dissipate by junior year.

^^^ whs