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Post scores and results for this Spring Season

No, I won't

2020: Crabs 15 Hawks 8

Originally Posted by Shi Thead

Post scores and results for this Spring Season

Post your Hawks scores first.

7-6 over Club Blue

Bethesda LC 2021 8 Crabs 5
Bethesda LC 2022 10 Crabs 7
Bethesda LC 2023 16 Breakers 0
Bethesda LC 2020 8 Next Level 3
Bethesda LC 2019 8 MDX 6

2020 Breakers 15 Club Blue 5

Hawks 2019 Green 14 Next Level 5
Hawks 2019 Black 8 Madlax Blue 2
Crabs 2020 15 Hawks 2020 Green 8
MDX 2020 7 Hawks 2020 Black 5
Hawks 2021 Green 7 Club Blue 6 OT
Hawks 2021 Black 11 Diamondbacks 1
Hawks 2022 11 Club Blue 3
Next Level 2023 7 Hawks 2023 6
Hawks 2024 15 Breakers 5

Cannons U15 11 Breakers 2
Madlax 7 Cannons U13 Gold 6 (3ot)
VLC 7 Cannons U13 Blue 6
Cannons U11 7 Madlax 5
Cannons U9 11 Next Level 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons U15 11 Breakers 2
Madlax 7 Cannons U13 Gold 6 (3ot)
VLC 7 Cannons U13 Blue 6
Cannons U11 7 Madlax 5
Cannons U9 11 Next Level 1

Did Cannons not get the memo on grade base teams and holdbacks??

It's a shame that this topic is needed. Anyone have any idea when they plan on updating the damn NPYLL website. Hasn't been updated since 11/8. No schedules, standings, results, etc. What's the point of having a website?

Totally agree!! If you have a league, and you have a website for the league, then for crying out loud, KEEP IT UPDATED!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a shame that this topic is needed. Anyone have any idea when they plan on updating the damn NPYLL website. Hasn't been updated since 11/8. No schedules, standings, results, etc. What's the point of having a website?

Whoever actually owns the site could care less. They have one of the worst sites last year and now their new one is just as bad. I bet they have no trouble cashing the checks for their league.

2022 Cannons 11
Crabs 6

2020 VLC 6 Madlax 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Cannons 11
Crabs 6

Crabs 0-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 VLC 6 Madlax 1

VLC should be very proud that their only 2020 team was able to beat MadLax's 2020 B team!

Hawks 2024-13, Storm-2
Hawks 2023-10, Bethesda-4
Hawks 2022-10, Bethesda-4
Hawks 2021 Black-13, Performance-0
Bethesda-6, Hawks 2021 Green-5
Hawks 2020 Green-19, Next Level-2
Hawks 2020 Black-14, Triple Threat-9
Hawks 2019 Black-8, Bethesda-5
Crabs 2019-11, Hawks 2019 Green-6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 VLC 6 Madlax 1

VLC should be very proud that their only 2020 team was able to beat MadLax's 2020 B team!

LOL. So butt-hurt.

How much do you enjoy having your credit card charged an extra $100 a month?hsc

So easy to talk smack now that you guys only play in the A div. The only thing you are hurting are the kids on your team that are AA level players. You are holding them back to win games that mean nothing but for fun.

Why is VLC sand bagging with both teams? Does that directive come from Baltimore?

LOL. So butt-hurt.

How much do you enjoy having your credit card charged an extra $100 a month?hsc [/quote]

How much do you enjoy having your credit card charged to play in an A league with a AA team.

Wow. I'm not a VLC parent, but these Madlax parents are an embarrassment. Worry about your own kids.

Actually, if you did, you wouldn't have him play for such a jerk.

Not a Madlax parent, but it does seem curious that a AA team is choosing to play in an A League a year before the players go to High School. I would think you would want to challenge the boys in heir last year of Youth Lacrosse.

Madlax parent here. Seems like the same 2-3 dads keep stirring the pot and making us all look bad. Please stop taking shots at other clubs. It's not classy and makes the rest of us look like idiots. We have a great club - we don't need to diss others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. Seems like the same 2-3 dads keep stirring the pot and making us all look bad. Please stop taking shots at other clubs. It's not classy and makes the rest of us look like idiots. We have a great club - we don't need to diss others.

Non Madlax Parent here, not taking shots at anyone, not dissing others, not trying to stir the pot, just asking a simple question. I was wondering why a AA team would play in the A league and win games by 10-15 goals, I don't think it's fair to their kids or their opponents, it makes the League look bad.

I guessing the Non-Madlax dad is a Next level or MDX dad. and those two teams might not win a lot of game this seasons but the players will be getting better at a faster rate for sure. Playing the best to better team in the country at 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guessing the Non-Madlax dad is a Next level or MDX dad. and those two teams might not win a lot of game this seasons but the players will be getting better at a faster rate for sure. Playing the best to better team in the country at 2019.

Next Level always plays up, even if they are going to lose

MDX (Maryland Extreme) always plays down - would rather win than face competition

Both Next Level and MDX are terrible. Everyone in the country knows the best youth teams at every level are Madlax's. You guys can't handle it!

Well that is clearly someone trying to get people upset. But the point was not who is the best. Its teams that play in the A div. who are avg. to bad AA teams. So they can win lots of games, but it hurts the players that could be getting better by playing higher level Comp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both Next Level and MDX are terrible. Everyone in the country knows the best youth teams at every level are Madlax's. You guys can't handle it!

We'll see what happens in 4 years when Good Counsel (MDX) is pounding on Landon (Madlax)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both Next Level and MDX are terrible. Everyone in the country knows the best youth teams at every level are Madlax's. You guys can't handle it!

We'll see what happens in 4 years when Good Counsel (MDX) is pounding on Landon (Madlax)

I think you meant when MDX players on the Sherwood JV team are pounding Blair's JV team from Silver Spring Lacrosse

2022 AA

Cannons 8
Hawks 2
Final

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 AA

Cannons 8
Hawks 2
Final

Cannons have the Hawks number. Don't think hawks have ever beaten them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 AA

Cannons 8
Hawks 2
Final

Cannons have the Hawks number. Don't think hawks have ever beaten them.

In the past year, Hawks 2022 beat Cannons twice in the AYLA fall league and once at Fall Brawl tourney. Cannons beat Hawks twice

Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

Wow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

ridiculous post regarding 5th grade lacrosse players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

Have you not noticed that all Cannons teams drop off as they get older? Don't know the reason behind it, but they are always great up to 5th or 6th grade. Same thing for Diamondbacks.

Kind of ridiculous to say that Hawks won't be able to compete in the 5th grade. Some of those Cannons kids will probably move to Hawks at some point.

When the cannons kids move to the Hawks your hawk kid is going to get cut so enjoy your time with them now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

The Cannons have never lost at game!!! Losses with excuses don't count as losses.

If you can't lose as a Cannon, don't register as a Cannon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

The Cannons have never lost at game!!! Losses with excuses don't count as losses.

If you can't lose as a Cannon, don't register as a Cannon.

Huh????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

The Cannons have never lost at game!!! Losses with excuses don't count as losses.

If you can't lose as a Cannon, don't register as a Cannon.

I'm sure that was brilliant, in your own mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

The Cannons have never lost at game!!! Losses with excuses don't count as losses.

If you can't lose as a Cannon, don't register as a Cannon.

I'm sure that was brilliant, in your own mind.

If you aren't going to count fall league games, or tournament games, or indoor games, that only leaves NPYLL games. In two years, the Cannons 2022 are 1-0 vs. the Hawks in NPYLL games. They really have the Hawk's number. The Cannons apparently are only stacked with athletes a couple month a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

The Cannons have never lost at game!!! Losses with excuses don't count as losses.

If you can't lose as a Cannon, don't register as a Cannon.

I'm sure that was brilliant, in your own mind.

If you aren't going to count fall league games, or tournament games, or indoor games, that only leaves NPYLL games. In two years, the Cannons 2022 are 1-0 vs. the Hawks in NPYLL games. They really have the Hawk's number. The Cannons apparently are only stacked with athletes a couple month a year.

here's stacked for you, 2019 Crabs 18, Cannons 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Fall League and Fall Tourney? Sure, when many of their players did not even play in the fall or winter. The Cannons is stacked with athletes, the game was not close and don't think it will every be close unless the Hawks get some new players. Overall a great team and well coached.

The Cannons have never lost at game!!! Losses with excuses don't count as losses.

If you can't lose as a Cannon, don't register as a Cannon.

I'm sure that was brilliant, in your own mind.

If you aren't going to count fall league games, or tournament games, or indoor games, that only leaves NPYLL games. In two years, the Cannons 2022 are 1-0 vs. the Hawks in NPYLL games. They really have the Hawk's number. The Cannons apparently are only stacked with athletes a couple month a year.

here's stacked for you, 2019 Crabs 18, Cannons 4

Ouch!

2021 Hawks 12 Next Level 1

Will someone please put the one Hawks parent back in TO. Makes the rest of us look bad. Cannons have a solid squad. Congrats.

Thank good for reclassified kids.

What does that mean? The comment about classifying?

[quote=Anonymous]Thank good for reclassified kids.

Said the dad who's kid got cut from the Crabs. Go Cannons,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Hawks 12 Next Level 1

Really?? Bragging about a win over Next Level?

Bragging/arguing about 5th graders says a lot about most of the posters here. Sad.

So true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Hawks 12 Next Level 1

Really?? Bragging about a win over Next Level?

How is this bragging, the person simply posted a score with no commentary on a thread titled 2015 NPYLL Scores and Results.

You guys if this is the best league why are there so many blowouts. Seems to me there are two good teams in each grade. All others are poor but think they are good because they play in the league? Seems lopsided to me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Hawks 12 Next Level 1

Really?? Bragging about a win over Next Level?

Just posted a score just like the thread title reads

SCORES and RESULTS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys if this is the best league why are there so many blowouts. Seems to me there are two good teams in each grade. All others are poor but think they are good because they play in the league? Seems lopsided to me

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys if this is the best league why are there so many blowouts. Seems to me there are two good teams in each grade. All others are poor but think they are good because they play in the league? Seems lopsided to me

the NBA is the best basketball league in the world - but there are plenty of teams within it that get blown out on a regular basis

those same teams would still crush any other basketball team in the world

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys if this is the best league why are there so many blowouts. Seems to me there are two good teams in each grade. All others are poor but think they are good because they play in the league? Seems lopsided to me

the NBA is the best basketball league in the world - but there are plenty of teams within it that get blown out on a regular basis

those same teams would still crush any other basketball team in the world

So Storm, MDX, Next Level, Breakers, VLC and Club Blue are NBA teams and Koopers, Lax Factory, Hoco, Looneys, Lax World, API and Zingos are "any other basketball team in the world"?

Sadly, the joke is on the parents. Club lacrosse at this level is a zero sum game. The kids would be far better served in a rec program at 1/10th the price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys if this is the best league why are there so many blowouts. Seems to me there are two good teams in each grade. All others are poor but think they are good because they play in the league? Seems lopsided to me

the NBA is the best basketball league in the world - but there are plenty of teams within it that get blown out on a regular basis

those same teams would still crush any other basketball team in the world

So Storm, MDX, Next Level, Breakers, VLC and Club Blue are NBA teams and Koopers, Lax Factory, Hoco, Looneys, Lax World, API and Zingos are "any other basketball team in the world"?

Sadly, the joke is on the parents. Club lacrosse at this level is a zero sum game. The kids would be far better served in a rec program at 1/10th the price.

Are you kidding? Koopers, Lax Factory, HoCo, Lax World and API are terrible clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys if this is the best league why are there so many blowouts. Seems to me there are two good teams in each grade. All others are poor but think they are good because they play in the league? Seems lopsided to me

the NBA is the best basketball league in the world - but there are plenty of teams within it that get blown out on a regular basis

those same teams would still crush any other basketball team in the world

So Storm, MDX, Next Level, Breakers, VLC and Club Blue are NBA teams and Koopers, Lax Factory, Hoco, Looneys, Lax World, API and Zingos are "any other basketball team in the world"?

Sadly, the joke is on the parents. Club lacrosse at this level is a zero sum game. The kids would be far better served in a rec program at 1/10th the price.

Are you kidding? Koopers, Lax Factory, HoCo, Lax World and API are terrible clubs.

They are all bad. That is the poster's point.

So are the teams in the npyll who get pounded every weekend. Newsflash there are good and bad teams in both leagues

So the point is your kid is not getting better unless he has a team winning record. I do not think this adds up. I agree its not fun to get killed. But a D pole covering a Future D1 attackman every sunday is better then beating up on a kid you will never make it past JV.

NPYLL only has one club that is bad top to bottom - MDX, the rest of the clubs are at least competitive in some age groups.

HoCo is full of terrible clubs that hide in the B division of tournaments

One club. Really. Come on man. Get real

Club Blue, VLC and Breakers are all much better clubs than nearly every club in the HoCo. Some years are better than other years for every club. You have to look at it as a whole.

HoCo dads are just can't accept that the HoCo league is like the minor leagues.

Keep trying. Not a chance those clubs are any better

Summer is coming up and these teams will meet up. Just start a new Forum to track the NPYLL teams summer wins and the HOCO summer wins. And in Aug. add them up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep trying. Not a chance those clubs are any better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep trying. Not a chance those clubs are any better

Have you seen clubs like Lax Factory and API? LOL. Really?

Have your seen clubs like next level and club blue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have your seen clubs like next level and club blue.

Yes. They are infinitely better than clubs like Lax Factory or API.

My son has played in both leagues and the NPYLL is clearly stronger top to bottom than HOCO. However, FCA is just as strong as the elite in the NPYLL. HOCO still fills a void and allows kids to play at higher level than their local rec programs and exposes them to the caliber of play of the better teams for the first time.

I thought this was for scores and results

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son has played in both leagues and the NPYLL is clearly stronger top to bottom than HOCO. However, FCA is just as strong as the elite in the NPYLL. HOCO still fills a void and allows kids to play at higher level than their local rec programs and exposes them to the caliber of play of the better teams for the first time.

Exactly. HOCO is basically a slightly better rec league.

So tell me once again why FCA cant play in the NPYLL?

How were the West Coast Stars teams and games?

Breakers 5 crabs 4
Crabs 2022 team 1-3

2022

Cannons 10
Bethesda 4

[quote=Anonymous]How were the West Coast Stars teams and games?

2019 Crabs 13, WCS 2

How did the Breakers 2019's fare?

2021 Crabs 14 Hawks 10

Good game to watch

Breakers 2019 beat MLC badly. I cant believe that. MLC must have been missing kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers 2019 beat MLC badly. I cant believe that. MLC must have been missing kids.

MLC 2019 has not won a game all season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers 2019 beat MLC badly. I cant believe that. MLC must have been missing kids.

They are - best MLC 2019s now on Crabs 2020 team!

The West Coast teams were pretty good. They probably lost all of the games at UMD on Saturday afternoon. Three games back-to-back - those kids had to be tired by end of the games.

WCS 2019 vs Annapolis Hawks 2019
WCS 2019 vs Crabs 2019
WCS 2019 vs VLC 2019

WCS 2020 vs Annapolis Hawks 2020
WCS 2020 vs Crabs 2020
WCS 2020 vs Looney's 2020

Anyone have the results of these games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have the results of these games?

2019 Hawks Black played WCS 2020 AA and won 10-4, don't think WCS 2019 team was here. If they were here, don't think they played either 2019 Hawks team.

FCA 2019 beat WCS 10 to 0 on Sunday

Both Crabs 2019 and VLC 2019 beat WCS 2019

The VLC team that is playing in the A div. of NPYLL, Hope they put the trophy up there website and are proud of playing down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The VLC team that is playing in the A div. of NPYLL, Hope they put the trophy up there website and are proud of playing down.

Hi, Madlax dad. Good to know you are still using the same material.

Well if you are going to brag about beating the WSC on here you should be ready to answer the question of why you are playing A div. not AA. I just think its funny MLC and Next level have more balls then you guys.

[quote=Anonymous]Well if you are going to brag about beating the WSC on here you should be ready to answer the question of why you are playing A div. not AA. I just think its funny MLC and Next level have more balls then you guys.

They have more balls, they just don't throw enough into the nets on game day.

Someone asked who won those games. Reporting the result of two games doesn't constitute bragging.

2019 cannons 11
2019 hawks 8

2021 Hawks - 6
2021 Bethesda - 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Hawks - 6
2021 Bethesda - 3

Details? Hawks dont look that good

Don't look that good compared to who?

Last three games between 2021 Hawks and 2021 BLC:
BLC +1 (Summer Exp), BLC +1 (Bullis last month), Hawks +3 (today). All good games.

Hawks D finally getting healthy.

Hawks 2021 Goalie, FOGO, and Poles were very good.

Shi Thead-- Curious, what are your ties to 2021 Hawks? Were they missing D guys to injuries or something?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shi Thead-- Curious, what are your ties to 2021 Hawks? Were they missing D guys to injuries or something?

I have two that play for Hawks. The 2021 team is pretty healthy. One kid in a cast that I know of. I havent posted since we lost to Crabs almost two weeks ago. Lots of good lacrosse games being played. Victory of Club Blue and Bethesda. Hawks look good, playing much more confident

Just a general question about the Hawks. I saw that the website has a price of 1500$ for the complete 12 month season. Do the coaches get paid? Is there more fees that come up not mentioned on the site? If this is true that is a heck of a deal for how good of a club they are as a whole. Is there a better club for the money in the NPYLL? You have to be good also not just the cheapest.

I have no clue about coaches getting paid and its not my business. I have not paid any other fees other than what I have paid. Skill sessions are free and well run and my kids benefit from the extra work. Lots of good clubs in the DMV area. Hawks is a good fit for my kids and my family, it may not be for others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just a general question about the Hawks. I saw that the website has a price of 1500$ for the complete 12 month season. Do the coaches get paid? Is there more fees that come up not mentioned on the site? If this is true that is a heck of a deal for how good of a club they are as a whole. Is there a better club for the money in the NPYLL? You have to be good also not just the cheapest.

Hogan runs a number of his own tournaments, so he saves money there. However, $1500 is pretty much in line with most other clubs. What club are you referring to that is noticeably higher in cost that Hawks?

Hawks seem like a heck of a club and that's a big win. That's a good 2021 team. Crabs seem much improved over how they did in the GT Fall Invitational, based on the NPYLL scores.

Can someone tell me who the 2019A Hawks are playing this Sunday?

2021 Hawks, Crabs are all playing well, all are well coached and have been for years. This weekend is a big weekend. Crabs vs Bethesda

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone tell me who the 2019A Hawks are playing this Sunday?

Bethesda 3:30 at home(AACC)

Thanks for the info. Madlax Blue plays VLC at 1:30. Some how the tie breaker in 2019A is not head to head. Which means Madlax Blue is ahead of the Hawks by 7 G.A. in the standings. Madlax should lose this game going by other scores in the league. But if Beth. can pull off the upset Madlax will still be in 2nd if the G.A. are still better for Madlax. I think its crazy they are not doing a 4 team playoffs in the 2019A bracket. The league fees should be able to handle this. I thought all involved would like to know this info.

Interesting, the league bylaws say that any league with 11 or fewer teams will have 4 teams in their playoff, any league 12 or more teams will have 6 teams in their playoff.

Is NYPLL and Koopers league checking rosters this weekend before playoff games? Calls have already gone out for reinforcements for several teams that made it to the playoffs with their rostered team yet want to win the title. Sad but these leagues need to get on this and make sure the same kids that played all season are the only ones stepping foot on the field this week. No borrowing players from another club to substitute for an injured player, No bringing players like they do for tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is NYPLL and Koopers league checking rosters this weekend before playoff games? Calls have already gone out for reinforcements for several teams that made it to the playoffs with their rostered team yet want to win the title. Sad but these leagues need to get on this and make sure the same kids that played all season are the only ones stepping foot on the field this week. No borrowing players from another club to substitute for an injured player, No bringing players like they do for tournaments.

NPYLL playoffs do not start this week

Playoffs start in two weeks.

Koopers start this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers start this weekend.

HoCo also starts this weekend. If they want anyone to take their league seriously and maintain integrity, all of them should be doing roster checks since everyone knows it is being done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks for the info. Madlax Blue plays VLC at 1:30. Some how the tie breaker in 2019A is not head to head. Which means Madlax Blue is ahead of the Hawks by 7 G.A. in the standings. Madlax should lose this game going by other scores in the league. But if Beth. can pull off the upset Madlax will still be in 2nd if the G.A. are still better for Madlax. I think its crazy they are not doing a 4 team playoffs in the 2019A bracket. The league fees should be able to handle this. I thought all involved would like to know this info.

If Hawks win this week and VLC beats Madlax, the Hawks should play VLC for the Championship. They would both be 3-2 and Hawks beat Madlax head to head.

I would agree but the standings have Madlax in 2nd place and the Hawks in 3rd right now. So to me that says if they both lose Madlax should still be 2nd place I would think? I agree with you that Hawks should be the 2nd place team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would agree but the standings have Madlax in 2nd place and the Hawks in 3rd right now. So to me that says if they both lose Madlax should still be 2nd place I would think? I agree with you that Hawks should be the 2nd place team.

If both teams lose Madlax will play for the Championship, like I said if Hawks win and Madlax loses, then Hawks will be in Championship game, Madlax has a one game lead, but Hawks have tie breaker.

Sorry I realized I missed read your older post.

Only thing that matters in NYPLL is record first, then goals against and then common opponents goals against. There could be several possible swings for whose going to playoffs till after this weekends games.. Age is irrelevant at this point in NYPLL since it is all grade based on graduation year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only thing that matters in NYPLL is record first, then goals against and then common opponents goals against. There could be several possible swings for whose going to playoffs till after this weekends games.. Age is irrelevant at this point in NYPLL since it is all grade based on graduation year.

We were talking about 2019 A, only two teams going to playoffs. VLC is in and then either Madlax or Hawks will be the other team

Crabs 2022 6 Hawks 2022 5

Anyone know Madlax Bethesda score?

Any updates on 2022 games today???

Madlax 2022 8 Bethesda 2022 7. Good game.

Looks like crabs 2022 will sneak into playoffs

cannons 2022 14 breakers 2

Team 91 Maryland coming in the fall. Looking for a few good men.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like crabs 2022 will sneak into playoffs

So...... Who cares..... Can't the Cannons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 6 Hawks 2022 5

Anyone know Madlax Bethesda score?

What has happen to the Hawks

I think sneak in ahead of Crabs for 4th spot

Hawks I think sneak in 4th spot ahead of crabs

???

Coming to Maryland for what??

No they're putting a team together to go to New [lacrosse]

When are tryouts for Team 91 Maryland?

June 3

June 3 @ gilman (6-8)
June 19 @ St.Paul's 1230

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks I think sneak in 4th spot ahead of crabs

How would they? In three way tie they go to God against to remove one team eliminating Bethesda. Then it goes off head to head eliminating Hawks. Tiebreakers are in website.

Who is in the Championship game for the 2021's?

I see the Hawks and Bethesda are tied for 2nd. Didnt the Hawks beat Bethesda?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks I think sneak in 4th spot ahead of crabs

How would they? In three way tie they go to God against to remove one team eliminating Bethesda. Then it goes off head to head eliminating Hawks. Tiebreakers are in website.

2022 Hawks got in over Crabs -- check website!!

Crabs beat them head to head no way they get in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks I think sneak in 4th spot ahead of crabs

How would they? In three way tie they go to God against to remove one team eliminating Bethesda. Then it goes off head to head eliminating Hawks. Tiebreakers are in website.

2022 Hawks got in over Crabs -- check website!!

There is no playoff schedule on the website. The standings don't reflect tiebreakers. Check 2020A. Storm Beat VLC, but VLC is shown ahead of Storm in standings.

By the tiebreaker rules in the league constituiton, Bethesda is eliminated due to GA and then it goes to head to head vs remaining two teams. So, there is no possible way that Hawks is in over Crabs in 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs beat them head to head no way they get in.

Crabs beat Hawks, Hawks beat Bethesda and Bethesda beat Crabs. So they remove one with goals against(Bethesda) and go to head to head for Crabs and Hawks. Crabs are in playoffs over Hawks and Bethesda.

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Below is pasted from the NPYLL website. I'd like someone to explain to me, based on this, how Hawks would be in over Crabs. The important part is the section on 3 way ties. Bethesda is eliminated first in any scenario making it head to head between Hawks/Crabs.

Ties in standings are resolved as follows:
1. Head to head result
2. Goals against vs. common opponents
3. Goal differential vs. common opponents
4. Goal against over all
5. Goal differential over all
6. Coin flip

If there are 3 or more teams tied, once one team is removed from the tie, the remaining teams will return to the first criteria to determine tie breaker for those remaining teams.

2021 Championship will be Hawks v Crabs......so much for that Bethesda "Domination" as stated by a BLC Parent on this site.

Agreed.. Just passn on info I received

Don't forget that the Administrator of the league is the guy that owns the Hawks!!! Of course they got in! That's how all his summer tournaments work to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Below is pasted from the NPYLL website. I'd like someone to explain to me, based on this, how Hawks would be in over Crabs. The important part is the section on 3 way ties. Bethesda is eliminated first in any scenario making it head to head between Hawks/Crabs.

Ties in standings are resolved as follows:
1. Head to head result
2. Goals against vs. common opponents
3. Goal differential vs. common opponents
4. Goal against over all
5. Goal differential over all
6. Coin flip

If there are 3 or more teams tied, once one team is removed from the tie, the remaining teams will return to the first criteria to determine tie breaker for those remaining teams.

looks like they went with the rule: Team with fewest goals scored against them by the other teams that where this is a tie. Putting Hawks in front of both other teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

looks like they went with the rule: Team with fewest goals scored against them by the other teams that where this is a tie. Putting Hawks in front of both other teams

So you're saying they just made up a rule and didn't go with what is in the league constitution? Sounds fair

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that the Administrator of the league is the guy that owns the Hawks!!! Of course they got in! That's how all his summer tournaments work to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Below is pasted from the NPYLL website. I'd like someone to explain to me, based on this, how Hawks would be in over Crabs. The important part is the section on 3 way ties. Bethesda is eliminated first in any scenario making it head to head between Hawks/Crabs.

Ties in standings are resolved as follows:
1. Head to head result
2. Goals against vs. common opponents
3. Goal differential vs. common opponents
4. Goal against over all
5. Goal differential over all
6. Coin flip

If there are 3 or more teams tied, once one team is removed from the tie, the remaining teams will return to the first criteria to determine tie breaker for those remaining teams.

I read it as Head to Head first, if that doesn't settle it then the team with fewest goals allowed would have the tiebreaker. I don't think one person makes these decisions, I would hope not anyway.

[quote=Anonymous]Don't forget that the Administrator of the league is the guy that owns the Hawks!!! Of course they got in! That's how all his summer tournaments work to.

Can you give us one example or is this just a typical anonymous baseless accusation. I have known Matt for 25 years and think he has always been a straight shooter. If his tournaments are so slanted to the Hawks, why do people keep coming back in droves. Please just one example.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that the Administrator of the league is the guy that owns the Hawks!!! Of course they got in! That's how all his summer tournaments work to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Below is pasted from the NPYLL website. I'd like someone to explain to me, based on this, how Hawks would be in over Crabs. The important part is the section on 3 way ties. Bethesda is eliminated first in any scenario making it head to head between Hawks/Crabs.

Ties in standings are resolved as follows:
1. Head to head result
2. Goals against vs. common opponents
3. Goal differential vs. common opponents
4. Goal against over all
5. Goal differential over all
6. Coin flip

If there are 3 or more teams tied, once one team is removed from the tie, the remaining teams will return to the first criteria to determine tie breaker for those remaining teams.

I read it as Head to Head first, if that doesn't settle it then the team with fewest goals allowed would have the tiebreaker. I don't think one person makes these decisions, I would hope not anyway.

You are ignoring the final part about the three team tie. It says after removing one team, go to first criteria. They removed Crabs and Bethesda using goals against and just made Hawks the 4 seed. If they removed one team as the rule states, they remove Bethesda and go to first criteria for remaining teams. Crabs beat Hawks. End of story. Crabs got screwed.

So for poster that has known Matt for 25 years and wants one example. There you go. Hawks got put in playoffs against the rules of the league he runs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that the Administrator of the league is the guy that owns the Hawks!!! Of course they got in! That's how all his summer tournaments work to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Below is pasted from the NPYLL website. I'd like someone to explain to me, based on this, how Hawks would be in over Crabs. The important part is the section on 3 way ties. Bethesda is eliminated first in any scenario making it head to head between Hawks/Crabs.

Ties in standings are resolved as follows:
1. Head to head result
2. Goals against vs. common opponents
3. Goal differential vs. common opponents
4. Goal against over all
5. Goal differential over all
6. Coin flip

If there are 3 or more teams tied, once one team is removed from the tie, the remaining teams will return to the first criteria to determine tie breaker for those remaining teams.

I read it as Head to Head first, if that doesn't settle it then the team with fewest goals allowed would have the tiebreaker. I don't think one person makes these decisions, I would hope not anyway.

You are ignoring the final part about the three team tie. It says after removing one team, go to first criteria. They removed Crabs and Bethesda using goals against and just made Hawks the 4 seed. If they removed one team as the rule states, they remove Bethesda and go to first criteria for remaining teams. Crabs beat Hawks. End of story. Crabs got screwed.

So for poster that has known Matt for 25 years and wants one example. There you go. Hawks got put in playoffs against the rules of the league he runs.

Just because you interpret something one way, doesn't mean the other person is wrong. I don't think Matt made any of these decisions by himself, so I am that poster and I would still like an example of a summer tournament where he has screwed someone. That was the original post.

Pretty sure one person doesn't make decisions all by himself. According to many coaches including the Crabs the process was correct.
And to say that All Hogans tournaments are rigged is just ridiculous and you sound bitter and slighted. Hundreds of teams come from all over the country to play in his tournaments. He has a few hundred teams in just one of his tournaments . Crabs are an elite program and you are on here crying about 11 year olds who won 3 games not making the playoffs.

by the way Cannons will beat all in this class this year. Hawks are the only team with a chance and its not a good one.

The regular season is over. Here is how the clubs' AA teams did overall in the Hoco & NPYLL. (Note: sometimes the AA level is just called A or -blank- depending on league & age)

Clubs - Total top level teams - W-L-T - Win%
Crabs with 4 AA Teams: 23-5-0 : 82%
FCA with 6 AA Teams: 28-8-0 : 77%
Diamondbacks with 5 AA Teams: 21-9-0 : 70%
Madlax with 4 AA Teams: 18-9-0 : 66%
Thunder with 3 AA Teams: 12-6-0 : 66%
Annapolis Hawks with 6 AA Teams: 26-15-0 : 63%
Bethesda with 6 AA Teams: 25-15-0 : 62%
Rough Riders with 4 AA Teams: 15-9-0 : 62%
Green Hornets with 3 AA Teams: 10-8-0 : 55%
Looney's with 8 AA Teams: 24-21-1 : 53%
Breakers with 6 AA Teams: 20-21-0 : 48%
Lax World with 3 AA Teams: 8-10-0 : 44%
Cannons with 5 AA Teams: 14-19-0 : 42%
Kooper's with 5 AA Teams: 12-19-0 : 38%
Rock with 4 AA Teams: 9-15-0 : 37%
Club Blue with 5 AA Teams: 12-23-0 : 34%
HoCo with 4 AA Teams: 7-15-0 : 31%
Next Level with 6 AA Teams: 8-32-0 : 20%
Lax Factory with 3 AA Teams: 3-15-1 : 18%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The regular season is over. Here is how the clubs' AA teams did overall in the Hoco & NPYLL. (Note: sometimes the AA level is just called A or -blank- depending on league & age)

Clubs - Total top level teams - W-L-T - Win%
Crabs with 4 AA Teams: 23-5-0 : 82%
FCA with 6 AA Teams: 28-8-0 : 77%
Diamondbacks with 5 AA Teams: 21-9-0 : 70%
Madlax with 4 AA Teams: 18-9-0 : 66%
Thunder with 3 AA Teams: 12-6-0 : 66%
Annapolis Hawks with 6 AA Teams: 26-15-0 : 63%
Bethesda with 6 AA Teams: 25-15-0 : 62%
Rough Riders with 4 AA Teams: 15-9-0 : 62%
Green Hornets with 3 AA Teams: 10-8-0 : 55%
Looney's with 8 AA Teams: 24-21-1 : 53%
Breakers with 6 AA Teams: 20-21-0 : 48%
Lax World with 3 AA Teams: 8-10-0 : 44%
Cannons with 5 AA Teams: 14-19-0 : 42%
Kooper's with 5 AA Teams: 12-19-0 : 38%
Rock with 4 AA Teams: 9-15-0 : 37%
Club Blue with 5 AA Teams: 12-23-0 : 34%
HoCo with 4 AA Teams: 7-15-0 : 31%
Next Level with 6 AA Teams: 8-32-0 : 20%
Lax Factory with 3 AA Teams: 3-15-1 : 18%

Okay, what does this mean?

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The regular season is over. Here is how the clubs' AA teams did overall in the Hoco & NPYLL. (Note: sometimes the AA level is just called A or -blank- depending on league & age)

Clubs - Total top level teams - W-L-T - Win%
Crabs with 4 AA Teams: 23-5-0 : 82%
FCA with 6 AA Teams: 28-8-0 : 77%
Diamondbacks with 5 AA Teams: 21-9-0 : 70%
Madlax with 4 AA Teams: 18-9-0 : 66%
Thunder with 3 AA Teams: 12-6-0 : 66%
Annapolis Hawks with 6 AA Teams: 26-15-0 : 63%
Bethesda with 6 AA Teams: 25-15-0 : 62%
Rough Riders with 4 AA Teams: 15-9-0 : 62%
Green Hornets with 3 AA Teams: 10-8-0 : 55%
Looney's with 8 AA Teams: 24-21-1 : 53%
Breakers with 6 AA Teams: 20-21-0 : 48%
Lax World with 3 AA Teams: 8-10-0 : 44%
Cannons with 5 AA Teams: 14-19-0 : 42%
Kooper's with 5 AA Teams: 12-19-0 : 38%
Rock with 4 AA Teams: 9-15-0 : 37%
Club Blue with 5 AA Teams: 12-23-0 : 34%
HoCo with 4 AA Teams: 7-15-0 : 31%
Next Level with 6 AA Teams: 8-32-0 : 20%
Lax Factory with 3 AA Teams: 3-15-1 : 18%

So AA in HoCo counts same as AA in NPYLL?
Okay, what does this mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The regular season is over. Here is how the clubs' AA teams did overall in the Hoco & NPYLL. (Note: sometimes the AA level is just called A or -blank- depending on league & age)

Clubs - Total top level teams - W-L-T - Win%
Crabs with 4 AA Teams: 23-5-0 : 82%
FCA with 6 AA Teams: 28-8-0 : 77%
Diamondbacks with 5 AA Teams: 21-9-0 : 70%
Madlax with 4 AA Teams: 18-9-0 : 66%
Thunder with 3 AA Teams: 12-6-0 : 66%
Annapolis Hawks with 6 AA Teams: 26-15-0 : 63%
Bethesda with 6 AA Teams: 25-15-0 : 62%
Rough Riders with 4 AA Teams: 15-9-0 : 62%
Green Hornets with 3 AA Teams: 10-8-0 : 55%
Looney's with 8 AA Teams: 24-21-1 : 53%
Breakers with 6 AA Teams: 20-21-0 : 48%
Lax World with 3 AA Teams: 8-10-0 : 44%
Cannons with 5 AA Teams: 14-19-0 : 42%
Kooper's with 5 AA Teams: 12-19-0 : 38%
Rock with 4 AA Teams: 9-15-0 : 37%
Club Blue with 5 AA Teams: 12-23-0 : 34%
HoCo with 4 AA Teams: 7-15-0 : 31%
Next Level with 6 AA Teams: 8-32-0 : 20%
Lax Factory with 3 AA Teams: 3-15-1 : 18%

So AA in HoCo counts same as AA in NPYLL?
Okay, what does this mean?

With the exception of FCA, the winning percentages would be greatly reduced if those teams played in the NPYLL

I think once again it proves Crabs are the best top to bottom ...as usual.

I agree with this commit but we just have to wait for the summer tournaments to compare when they play each other. I see that there is 3 HOCO teams playing in the Madlax tournament one in the AA div. Can anyone find another tournament where there are HOCO and NPYLL teams playing together?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with this commit but we just have to wait for the summer tournaments to compare when they play each other. I see that there is 3 HOCO teams playing in the Madlax tournament one in the AA div. Can anyone find another tournament where there are HOCO and NPYLL teams playing together?

How would you rank the teams playing 2020 AA in the Madlax tournament (FCA, Hoco, Madlax, Club Blue and mdextreme) prior to the tournament? I understand it will be much clearer afterwords.

Just wait until the divisions are set for the Hawks tournaments and look at the caliber of teams in the division that he puts the Hawks teams in, then look at the caliber of the teams in the competing divisions. He does it year after year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that the Administrator of the league is the guy that owns the Hawks!!! Of course they got in! That's how all his summer tournaments work to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Below is pasted from the NPYLL website. I'd like someone to explain to me, based on this, how Hawks would be in over Crabs. The important part is the section on 3 way ties. Bethesda is eliminated first in any scenario making it head to head between Hawks/Crabs.

Ties in standings are resolved as follows:
1. Head to head result
2. Goals against vs. common opponents
3. Goal differential vs. common opponents
4. Goal against over all
5. Goal differential over all
6. Coin flip

If there are 3 or more teams tied, once one team is removed from the tie, the remaining teams will return to the first criteria to determine tie breaker for those remaining teams.

I read it as Head to Head first, if that doesn't settle it then the team with fewest goals allowed would have the tiebreaker. I don't think one person makes these decisions, I would hope not anyway.

You are ignoring the final part about the three team tie. It says after removing one team, go to first criteria. They removed Crabs and Bethesda using goals against and just made Hawks the 4 seed. If they removed one team as the rule states, they remove Bethesda and go to first criteria for remaining teams. Crabs beat Hawks. End of story. Crabs got screwed.

So for poster that has known Matt for 25 years and wants one example. There you go. Hawks got put in playoffs against the rules of the league he runs.

Just because you interpret something one way, doesn't mean the other person is wrong. I don't think Matt made any of these decisions by himself, so I am that poster and I would still like an example of a summer tournament where he has screwed someone. That was the original post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't forget that the Administrator of the league is the guy that owns the Hawks!!! Of course they got in! That's how all his summer tournaments work to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to my coach, teams in are cannons vs hawks, Madlax vs breakers

Below is pasted from the NPYLL website. I'd like someone to explain to me, based on this, how Hawks would be in over Crabs. The important part is the section on 3 way ties. Bethesda is eliminated first in any scenario making it head to head between Hawks/Crabs.

Ties in standings are resolved as follows:
1. Head to head result
2. Goals against vs. common opponents
3. Goal differential vs. common opponents
4. Goal against over all
5. Goal differential over all
6. Coin flip

If there are 3 or more teams tied, once one team is removed from the tie, the remaining teams will return to the first criteria to determine tie breaker for those remaining teams.

I read it as Head to Head first, if that doesn't settle it then the team with fewest goals allowed would have the tiebreaker. I don't think one person makes these decisions, I would hope not anyway.

You are ignoring the final part about the three team tie. It says after removing one team, go to first criteria. They removed Crabs and Bethesda using goals against and just made Hawks the 4 seed. If they removed one team as the rule states, they remove Bethesda and go to first criteria for remaining teams. Crabs beat Hawks. End of story. Crabs got screwed.

So for poster that has known Matt for 25 years and wants one example. There you go. Hawks got put in playoffs against the rules of the league he runs.

Just because you interpret something one way, doesn't mean the other person is wrong. I don't think Matt made any of these decisions by himself, so I am that poster and I would still like an example of a summer tournament where he has screwed someone. That was the original post.

The problem is, two years ago they used the rule as I explained. Yet this year the rule was used differently. Should they be allowed to interpret the rules differently in different years at the benefit of Matt's team?

[quote=Anonymous]Just wait until the divisions are set for the Hawks tournaments and look at the caliber of teams in the division that he puts the Hawks teams in, then look at the caliber of the teams in the competing divisions. He does it year after year.

Your wrong and really reaching, my sons have played in his tournaments and have seen them play quality opponents in their brackets. I guess that is why teams don't come back and play in his tournaments year after year after year after year.

The problem is, two years ago they used the rule as I explained. Yet this year the rule was used differently. Should they be allowed to interpret the rules differently in different years at the benefit of Matt's team? [/quote]
Maybe two years ago, they interpreted the rule the wrong way. You have been told that several people were involved and they all agreed that it was done correctly. Let it go.

[quote=Anonymous]Just wait until the divisions are set for the Hawks tournaments and look at the caliber of teams in the division that he puts the Hawks teams in, then look at the caliber of the teams in the competing divisions. He does it year after year.

One of many examples why you are wrong:

Summer Exposure 2014. Hawks 2021 had to play the following teams in round robin play 1. Florida team (undefeated spring season), Koopers (Very good HOCO team), 3. Bethesda (NYPLL Champs).

And the Hawks lost to BLC in the final game too, so how is that a set up. Game with Koopers was only a 1-2 point difference too as usual, these two always play competitively as well as BLC. Not even an example, poor taste just move on.

Well most teams play in 4 tournaments a year if your club is throwing one of the 4 I would hope you get the good bracket and the good times and the good fields. This should be implied. The home club still has to play the best team in each bracket to win the tournament. All brackets end at 1 team, last time I checked. Its called home field advantage it happens in all sports at all times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well most teams play in 4 tournaments a year if your club is throwing one of the 4 I would hope you get the good bracket and the good times and the good fields. This should be implied. The home club still has to play the best team in each bracket to win the tournament. All brackets end at 1 team, last time I checked. Its called home field advantage it happens in all sports at all times.

A good host gives their guest the best of everything - not themselves an advantage. Again, sports should be about setting an example for our kids -not just winning.

So I am guessing you play for a club that does not host a summer tournament? And like the other guy said the Hogan Tournaments get 100s of teams playing in them. And they all seem to come back year after year. I guess the the biggest example would be if someone took the time to compare how many tournament titles the Hawks have in there own tournaments compared to the other three they played that same summer. And the scheduler of these tournaments has to take the word of each club that enters on how good they are and at what level they want or could play. We all know of teams that should be a AA team that plays in a summer tournament as a A team or B team. I am impressed with the overall Hawks program. Never seen a horrible Hawks team. Very impressive for a club that fields a AA and A team at each level.

A good host gives their guest the best of everything - not themselves an advantage. Again, sports should be about setting an example for our kids -not just winning. [/quote]

So clubs that do host tournaments like Madlax & Crabs make it hardest on their own teams?? Is there an example where a Hawks team had a significantly easier road than another team of equal standing? You can't just state the Hawks path, you have to state the paths of other teams that are similar to show whether there was preference. I have actually seen the opposite in Hogan tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well most teams play in 4 tournaments a year if your club is throwing one of the 4 I would hope you get the good bracket and the good times and the good fields. This should be implied. The home club still has to play the best team in each bracket to win the tournament. All brackets end at 1 team, last time I checked. Its called home field advantage it happens in all sports at all times.

A good host gives their guest the best of everything - not themselves an advantage. Again, sports should be about setting an example for our kids -not just winning.

I agree with half of what you said, It should be about setting an example for our kids - not just whining.

And every team in any tournament stats what level there team is. And then the teams are put in that Div. And everyone starts 0-0 so how can any team be given an advantage? If a team is not good enough to be a AA or A team and they put themselves in that bracket then its on the team that lied about there skill level not the teams that played them.

Do a search for the Young Gunz Crabs tournment and you will see a list of the top HoCo and NPYLL teams along with NY and Canadians team all playing against each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do a search for the Young Gunz Crabs tournment and you will see a list of the top HoCo and NPYLL teams along with NY and Canadians team all playing against each other.

What's your point? That's a limited spot/invitational. Totally different than an open tournament with 100+ teams. Are you supposed to have the better teams knock each other out the 1st day?

I see that Madlax 2019 A beat unbeaten VLC 5-0 was this a forfeit ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do a search for the Young Gunz Crabs tournment and you will see a list of the top HoCo and NPYLL teams along with NY and Canadians team all playing against each other.

What's your point? That's a limited spot/invitational. Totally different than an open tournament with 100+ teams. Are you supposed to have the better teams knock each other out the 1st day?

No point intended. It was meant as a response to another anonymous poster who asked if there was a tournament where HoCo and NPYLL teams played. I guess I dont know how to use this forum enough to have quoted his response initially. I understand its an ivite only tourney. What organization does the invites (guessing crabs)? What qualifies you for an invite (guessing very competative teams)? The top teams, regardless of the league they play in during spring, would be my first guess.

Re: Madlax - VLC 2019 A - thread on another forum list for 2019 NPYLL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see that Madlax 2019 A beat unbeaten VLC 5-0 was this a forfeit ?

It was sort of a forfeit. The league has handed madlax the win and the top seed. They have also let VLC violate league rules with no penalty for their actions. They have had all week to make this game up, they both worked the system and should be ashamed of themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see that Madlax 2019 A beat unbeaten VLC 5-0 was this a forfeit ?

It was sort of a forfeit. The league has handed madlax the win and the top seed. They have also let VLC violate league rules with no penalty for their actions. They have had all week to make this game up, they both worked the system and should be ashamed of themselves.

Where is the bracket/seeding?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see that Madlax 2019 A beat unbeaten VLC 5-0 was this a forfeit ?

It was sort of a forfeit. The league has handed madlax the win and the top seed. They have also let VLC violate league rules with no penalty for their actions. They have had all week to make this game up, they both worked the system and should be ashamed of themselves.

Where is the bracket/seeding?

Not sure, will probably change the NPYLL website next fall.

Here are the seedings
Madlax 1
VLC 2
Hawks 3
Bethesda 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see that Madlax 2019 A beat unbeaten VLC 5-0 was this a forfeit ?

It was sort of a forfeit. The league has handed madlax the win and the top seed. They have also let VLC violate league rules with no penalty for their actions. They have had all week to make this game up, they both worked the system and should be ashamed of themselves.

How did they both work the system. Looks like Madlax got the worse end of this deal. It was VLC who did not confirm the time change and it was VLC who did not stay in VA to play Madlax at 130 that Sunday afternoon when they where well aware they would be there to play them at that time. By rule Madlax should only have to play the championship Sunday the 31st. But what I am reading here you guys are saying they are going to do a 4 team playoff. This has not been told to the Madlax players as of right now they plan to just play the championship Sunday the 31st. I agree the VLC players are getting screwed but if they end up getting screwed I am pretty clear that it was there coaches/clubs fault.

If there are 4 teams the rules are being bent to satisfy per below the the forfeiting team is to be penalized by no playoffs:

Article IX � Forfeiture/Default of Contest
A member team may not forfeit a scheduled contest. Scheduled games must be played. Violation of this rule will make the team and its coaches ineligible for playoffs.
If a coach is ejected from a sanctioned game, he may appoint a representative as a replacement. If a representative is not available, the contest may be declared a default and result in a loss for the team. The referee has the power to suspend from a game, or send from the field, a player, coach, or fan found guilty of flagrant or repeated misconduct. Any coach that is dismissed from a game must report in writing to the league administrator about the incident prior to coaching in the next sanctioned game.
The league administrator can declare a default should it be deemed necessary due to the rule infractions by an offending team.

I agree with this 100%, I just was wondering how they want to bring Madlax into this as them doing anything wrong or they are bending the rules for Madlax. They would luck out if VLC gets kicked out, but they did nothing wrong this time. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with this commit but we just have to wait for the summer tournaments to compare when they play each other. I see that there is 3 HOCO teams playing in the Madlax tournament one in the AA div. Can anyone find another tournament where there are HOCO and NPYLL teams playing together?

How would you rank the teams playing 2020 AA in the Madlax tournament (FCA, Hoco, Madlax, Club Blue and mdextreme) prior to the tournament? I understand it will be much clearer afterwords.

Will depend on whether FCA brings their real rostered 2020 AA team or includes the kids who are also rostered on their 2019 team. A good tourney would not allow them to be rostered on both. Clearly it did not matter to the Koopers league as they showed up with their 2019 goalie to the Championship game and speculation was that other players were also brought in.

The FCA 2019 AA team is not playing in the Madlax Tourney.

That VLC team actually has half 7th graders and half 6th graders, so if they are playing down then so is MadLax. Knowledge is your friend, helps you to stop sounding like an idiot...LOL

Actually that's incorrect - VLC is the top seed - check the NPYLL standings website. Why would MadLax get the top seed? They aren't even in 2nd place - Hawks are. They are also going to correct that game result - VLC is undefeated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA 2019 AA team is not playing in the Madlax Tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA 2019 AA team is not playing in the Madlax Tourney.

[quote=Anonymous]
If their 2020AA is playing, chances are we will be playing a portion of their 2019 team as they are known for bringing 4-5 kids who are rostered with 2019 down to play on the 2020-especially for tourneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The FCA 2019 AA team is not playing in the Madlax Tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA 2019 AA team is not playing in the Madlax Tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If their 2020AA is playing, chances are we will be playing a portion of their 2019 team as they are known for bringing 4-5 kids who are rostered with 2019 down to play on the 2020-especially for tourneys.

FCA 2020AA brought down some 2019 players to play in the MPLL on Saturdays

So you are saying that the FCA 2019 AA team has several 2020 players on it? And those 2020 players occasionally play on the FCA 2020 AA team? Is that fair?!? Can a 7th grader playing on an 8th grade team occasionally play on a 7th grade team? Is the tournament organizer checking birth certificates? This seems outrageous!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The FCA 2019 AA team is not playing in the Madlax Tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA 2019 AA team is not playing in the Madlax Tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If their 2020AA is playing, chances are we will be playing a portion of their 2019 team as they are known for bringing 4-5 kids who are rostered with 2019 down to play on the 2020-especially for tourneys.

FCA 2020AA brought down some 2019 players to play in the MPLL on Saturdays

There is a whole thread dedicated to kids playing down. Moderators, start a thread dedicated to kids playing up.

Wonder how many, if any, are holdbacks who started on the 2019 team and when they held back became eligible to play 2020 but did not want to leave "their" original team. Which really means they are not playing "up" but merely qualify on paper to play "down". Would hope that is not the case for a Christian based team to be adding guest players when the going gets tough. At some point they will need to pick one roster and surprised that HOCO and MPLL would allow dual rostering but not much can do about it. Wonder how the 2020 regulars feel about needing the 2019 guest players for certain games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you are saying that the FCA 2019 AA team has several 2020 players on it? And those 2020 players occasionally play on the FCA 2020 AA team? Is that fair?!? Can a 7th grader playing on an 8th grade team occasionally play on a 7th grade team? Is the tournament organizer checking birth certificates? This seems outrageous!

They should just pick one roster ...must send a message to the regular 2020 team that they are not good enough to win on their own and need some help for the important games. Is that how they beat Looneys this week -was it the real 2020 roster or the 2020 turbo charge with guest players?

It was without their 2019 players. Give credit to Fca. They beat them twice. Tbh when they do bring down the players playing up it throws off everything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So you are saying that the FCA 2019 AA team has several 2020 players on it? And those 2020 players occasionally play on the FCA 2020 AA team? Is that fair?!? Can a 7th grader playing on an 8th grade team occasionally play on a 7th grade team? Is the tournament organizer checking birth certificates? This seems outrageous!

They should just pick one roster ...must send a message to the regular 2020 team that they are not good enough to win on their own and need some help for the important games. Is that how they beat Looneys this week -was it the real 2020 roster or the 2020 turbo charge with guest players?

The real question is WWJD? Answer, he would play the holdbacks and go for the dollar store medal......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you are saying that the FCA 2019 AA team has several 2020 players on it? And those 2020 players occasionally play on the FCA 2020 AA team? Is that fair?!? Can a 7th grader playing on an 8th grade team occasionally play on a 7th grade team? Is the tournament organizer checking birth certificates? This seems outrageous!

They should just pick one roster ...must send a message to the regular 2020 team that they are not good enough to win on their own and need some help for the important games. Is that how they beat Looneys this week -was it the real 2020 roster or the 2020 turbo charge with guest players?

I hear FCA is inundated with inquiries regarding spots on the 2019 and 2020 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was without their 2019 players. Give credit to Fca. They beat them twice. Tbh when they do bring down the players playing up it throws off everything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was without their 2019 players. Give credit to Fca. They beat them twice. Tbh when they do bring down the players playing up it throws off everything.

They most certainly brought at least their goalie down for 1/2 the MPLL championship league game-too small of a lax world in Baltimore to noy expect kids and adults to notice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually that's incorrect - VLC is the top seed - check the NPYLL standings website. Why would MadLax get the top seed? They aren't even in 2nd place - Hawks are. They are also going to correct that game result - VLC is undefeated.

Actually, it is correct VLC is 4-1, Madlax is 4-1 and Hawks are 3-2. VLC's only loss is to Madlax. That is why Madlax is top seed. Madlax lost twice to Hawks, but only the second game counts towards the standings, therefore the Correct seedings are

1) Madlax 4-1
2) VLC 4-1
3) Hawks 3-2
4) Bethesda 2-3

VLC didn't lose to Madlax. There is a dispute about how the rescheduled time was arranged and Madlax was awarded a forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

VLC didn't lose to Madlax. There is a dispute about how the rescheduled time was arranged and Madlax was awarded a forfeit.

A forfeit is a loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually that's incorrect - VLC is the top seed - check the NPYLL standings website. Why would MadLax get the top seed? They aren't even in 2nd place - Hawks are. They are also going to correct that game result - VLC is undefeated.

Actually, it is correct VLC is 4-1, Madlax is 4-1 and Hawks are 3-2. VLC's only loss is to Madlax. That is why Madlax is top seed. Madlax lost twice to Hawks, but only the second game counts towards the standings, therefore the Correct seedings are

1) Madlax 4-1
2) VLC 4-1
3) Hawks 3-2
4) Bethesda 2-3

No, it's not. VLC IS 6-1 including the "loss" to Madlax, and is in first place. Hawks are 5-2 and in second place. Madlax is 5-2 (which would have been 4-3 had they actually played the game vs VLC) and is in third place.

You are correct they could of lost to a VLC team playing down. Can the Hawks and Madlax take back the players there top teams took to play with them this weekend? They are a good team having a great season. But its hard to hear VLC brag when the other top teams in the A div have a AA team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are correct they could of lost to a VLC team playing down. Can the Hawks and Madlax take back the players there top teams took to play with them this weekend? They are a good team having a great season. But its hard to hear VLC brag when the other top teams in the A div have a AA team.

I don't think any VLC parents are bragging at all - it' seems that they are simply responding to the complaining and excuses from a few Madlax parents about VLC "playing down". VLC fields one team per age group, not multiple teams as Madlax does, so they fall where they fall - no reason to whine about it. I'm certain they would beat Madlax Orange as well.

Are all the playoffs for all of the NPYLL Divisions posted somewhere? Again - that NPYLL website seems inadequate.

Can someone post them here please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually that's incorrect - VLC is the top seed - check the NPYLL standings website. Why would MadLax get the top seed? They aren't even in 2nd place - Hawks are. They are also going to correct that game result - VLC is undefeated.

Actually, it is correct VLC is 4-1, Madlax is 4-1 and Hawks are 3-2. VLC's only loss is to Madlax. That is why Madlax is top seed. Madlax lost twice to Hawks, but only the second game counts towards the standings, therefore the Correct seedings are

1) Madlax 4-1
2) VLC 4-1
3) Hawks 3-2
4) Bethesda 2-3

No, it's not. VLC IS 6-1 including the "loss" to Madlax, and is in first place. Hawks are 5-2 and in second place. Madlax is 5-2 (which would have been 4-3 had they actually played the game vs VLC) and is in third place.

Okay, I'll explain this one more time. Each team played 7 games against 5 opponents, so they played two teams twice. Only the 2nd game in those situations counted, so the results and seeds are;
1) Madlax 4-1
2) VLC 4-1
3) Hawks 3-2
4) Bethesda 2-3

The playoffs are set and as follows

Saturday

Bethesda at Madlax
Hawks at VLC

Sunday

Winners play at higher seed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are correct they could of lost to a VLC team playing down. Can the Hawks and Madlax take back the players there top teams took to play with them this weekend? They are a good team having a great season. But its hard to hear VLC brag when the other top teams in the A div have a AA team.

I don't think any VLC parents are bragging at all - it' seems that they are simply responding to the complaining and excuses from a few Madlax parents about VLC "playing down". VLC fields one team per age group, not multiple teams as Madlax does, so they fall where they fall - no reason to whine about it. I'm certain they would beat Madlax Orange as well.

If you are certain they would beat Madlax AA, why wouldn't they play in that Division, especially since they handily beat everyone in the NPYLL Fall Tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are correct they could of lost to a VLC team playing down. Can the Hawks and Madlax take back the players there top teams took to play with them this weekend? They are a good team having a great season. But its hard to hear VLC brag when the other top teams in the A div have a AA team.

I don't think any VLC parents are bragging at all - it' seems that they are simply responding to the complaining and excuses from a few Madlax parents about VLC "playing down". VLC fields one team per age group, not multiple teams as Madlax does, so they fall where they fall - no reason to whine about it. I'm certain they would beat Madlax Orange as well.

Ok now you are just TROLLING or you are really nuts. VLC would lose by 15 goals if they played Orange. They do not fall where they fall. They put themselves into the spot they are in. Its a choice to play down and not play in the AA bracket.
I just saw they are signing up for 2019B bracket in the Maryland Lacrosse Invitational. I just want the facts out there. They are a great team playing down. That is a fact. live with it.

The NYPLL is losing creditably by not following their own rules for this 2019A league. The team that took the forfeit should be ineligible for playoffs per Article IX of the NYPLL Constitution. Then to top it off there should not be a playoff on Saturday at all since this is a six team league, it should be top two teams for the Championship. Someone has egg on their face and is using the backdoor to make this happen. So are the 2021AA, 2022A, 2023A, & 2024AA teams having a 4 team playoff this Saturday? If they are not then why is the exception happening for 2019A?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are correct they could of lost to a VLC team playing down. Can the Hawks and Madlax take back the players there top teams took to play with them this weekend? They are a good team having a great season. But its hard to hear VLC brag when the other top teams in the A div have a AA team.

I don't think any VLC parents are bragging at all - it' seems that they are simply responding to the complaining and excuses from a few Madlax parents about VLC "playing down". VLC fields one team per age group, not multiple teams as Madlax does, so they fall where they fall - no reason to whine about it. I'm certain they would beat Madlax Orange as well.

Ok now you are just TROLLING or you are really nuts. VLC would lose by 15 goals if they played Orange. They do not fall where they fall. They put themselves into the spot they are in. Its a choice to play down and not play in the AA bracket.
I just saw they are signing up for 2019B bracket in the Maryland Lacrosse Invitational. I just want the facts out there. They are a great team playing down. That is a fact. live with it.

You're delusional - Madlax as a whole, no matter what "color", is average or slightly above average at best. I'd love to see this game happen simply to shut up all of the whiners on both sides. Everyone knows that the Crabs are the team to beat in AA - Madlax Orange 2020 is 2-5, VLC isn't even in that AA division so no clue how they'd do there since they are playing A instead, and Crabs are 7-0 with a whopping 105 GF and only 25 GA. Keep spouting how competitive Orange is...

The same big bad crab team that took the ball n ocean city instead of facing off when they were getting beaten or the same one the looneys beat ? Just make sure your kids don't wear the 2019 or 2018 shorts to tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NYPLL is losing creditably by not following their own rules for this 2019A league. The team that took the forfeit should be ineligible for playoffs per Article IX of the NYPLL Constitution. Then to top it off there should not be a playoff on Saturday at all since this is a six team league, it should be top two teams for the Championship. Someone has egg on their face and is using the backdoor to make this happen. So are the 2021AA, 2022A, 2023A, & 2024AA teams having a 4 team playoff this Saturday? If they are not then why is the exception happening for 2019A?

2023AA is only having a single game championship of top two teams. NPYLL needs to put the info on their site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The same big bad crab team that took the ball n ocean city instead of facing off when they were getting beaten or the same one the looneys beat ? Just make sure your kids don't wear the 2019 or 2018 shorts to tournaments

I don't think the Crabs 2020s will be wearing 2019 or 2018 shorts, so don't lose any sleep over that. The good news is that at least Madlax Orange 2020s will get to relax this weekend, since they don't have a championship or playoff game to play in...

Is 2023AA playing the ship @ Boy Latin?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The same big bad crab team that took the ball n ocean city instead of facing off when they were getting beaten or the same one the looneys beat ? Just make sure your kids don't wear the 2019 or 2018 shorts to tournaments

Don't dwell on the past - when you check the 2015 NVYLL standings, Crabs happen to be in 1st place for 2019, 2020, and 2021. Now is all that matters...

What about crabs 2022?

curious about club blue 2020. they are playing A division of beach lax rather than AA. sand baggers or were not competitive at AA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about crabs 2022?

Who cares? They're 10 hahahahaha

They were 1-6 in NYPLL 2020AA, they beat the team that was 0-7, 2020A sounds about right. Not a knock on them, they played some good games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about crabs 2022?

Who cares? They're 10 hahahahaha

You can only care when they are 11?

Does anyone have the list of playoff games by grad year for the npyll this weekend?

2021 AA = Hawks v Crabs.....No "dominate" Bethesda (they lost to both)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have the list of playoff games by grad year for the npyll this weekend?

Assuming the top 4 teams from each division qualify, here are the AA playoffs:

2019 AA:
Crabs
Madlax
Cannons
Hawks

2020 AA:
Crabs
Hawks
Breakers
Bethesda

2021 AA:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Club Blue

2022 AA:
Cannons
Breakers
Madlax
Hawks

2023 AA:
Bethesda
Club Blue
Next Level
Hawks

2024 AA:
Madlax
Hawks
Bethesda
Breakers

Crabs have most #1 seeds with 3. No one else with more than 1.

The Hawks have teams in all 6 playoffs. Bethesda in 4 playoffs. Breakers, Crabs, and Madlax with 3 teams in playoffs.

2021 AA has one P.O. (Championship game). Only two teams. Hawks v Crabs. Other two teams listed were eliminated to include "dominate" Bethesda.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 AA has one P.O. (Championship game). Only two teams. Hawks v Crabs. Other two teams listed were eliminated to include "dominate" Bethesda.

So the 2nd seed (Bethesda) was eliminated and 3rd seed (Hawks) was included?

Hawks and Bethesda have the same record (5-2). Did Hawks win the head-to-head against Bethesda during the regular season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 AA has one P.O. (Championship game). Only two teams. Hawks v Crabs. Other two teams listed were eliminated to include "dominate" Bethesda.

So the 2nd seed (Bethesda) was eliminated and 3rd seed (Hawks) was included?

Hawks and Bethesda have the same record (5-2). Did Hawks win the head-to-head against Bethesda during the regular season?

Yes. Hawks beat Bethesda 6-3. Bethesda lost their last two games.

Cannons 2022 over Hawks 2022 8-7 in 1st round of playoffs.

Cannons 2022 hangs on against a tough Hawks team. 7-6

Who won the Breakers vs Madlax game??

Madlax won 2022

Score of Madlax v Breakers 2022?

Madlax 2022 18-10 over Breakers. 6-0 Madlax in first 5 minutes. Never close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2022 18-10 over Breakers. 6-0 Madlax in first 5 minutes. Never close.

No repeat champs. New blood on top.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2022 18-10 over Breakers. 6-0 Madlax in first 5 minutes. Never close.

No repeat champs. New blood on top.

You realize you are talking about 5th graders, right?

You beat me to it, my thoughts exactly. Some of these kids won't even be playing lax in a few years

That might be true but you never forget the successes and failures that you have when you we're a kid. Actually you probably want to forget the failures and only remember the successes.

Don't down play the winning teams. They all work too hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That might be true but you never forget the successes and failures that you have when you we're a kid. Actually you probably want to forget the failures and only remember the successes.

Don't down play the winning teams. They all work too hard.

Notice the "when you WE'RE a kid". It's a typo, but also a Freudian slip. Stop living your life through your kid.

Posting about which 5th grade team is better on an Internet bulletin board is pretty sad.

How about the score of CANNONS v Madlax 2022?

Stop hating on the kids that work hard to be great.

2022
Cannons 7
Madlax 6

Great Game by both teams

So who are the Champs in all the divisions?
2019 AA: Crabs (13-10 over Madlax)
2020 AA: Crabs (8-7 over Hawks in OT)
2021 AA: Crabs (8-7 over Hawks)
2022 AA: Cannons (7-6 over Madlax)
2023 AA: Bethesda? Club Blue?
2024 AA: Madlax ( over Bethesda)

2021 Championship was a great game!

Two very good teams played their butts off. Congrats to both teams

I 2nd that!! Incredible level of play for both 2021 teams. Both teams are loaded with talent and have great coaching staffs to prepare them.

What were results of 2024 playoffs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who are the Champs in all the divisions?
2019 AA: Crabs (13-10 over Madlax)
2020 AA: Crabs (8-7 over Hawks in OT)
2021 AA: Crabs (8-7 over Hawks)
2022 AA: Cannons (7-6 over Madlax)
2023 AA: Bethesda? Club Blue?
2024 AA: Madlax ( over Bethesda)

Anyone get the details on the 2023 Championship?

Anyone get the score for the 2024 Game?

The npyll website is a total joke. (News updates from Nov, 2014?)

You realize you are begging for scores from a 3rd and 4th grade boys lacrosse game, right?

You need to get a life.

yeah really? go back to work your third or fourth grader is coloring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You realize you are begging for scores from a 3rd and 4th grade boys lacrosse game, right?

You need to get a life.

So you are a reader of a forum called '2015 Npyll Scores and Results' and are upset there is a question about scores.

Were you hoping this forum was blank?

Who really has a problem?

Breakers loses millon to tm 91 Maryland...

Is Breakers going to re-emerge as T91MD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Breakers going to re-emerge as T91MD?

I doubt it - Rumor has it the Breakers unhappy with coach before T91 happened and kids unlikely to follow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is Breakers going to re-emerge as T91MD?

I doubt it - Rumor has it the Breakers unhappy with coach before T91 happened and kids unlikely to follow.

Don't tell me T91 has a Breakers coach to start their Baltimore experience? Talks about settling, or more accurately...unsettling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is Breakers going to re-emerge as T91MD?

I doubt it - Rumor has it the Breakers unhappy with coach before T91 happened and kids unlikely to follow.

Don't tell me T91 has a Breakers coach to start their Baltimore experience? Talks about settling, or more accurately...unsettling.

Actually, they have *the* Breakers coach.

More rumors... Entire 2020 Breakers leaving

Is that the same Breakers 2020 team that lost to the Crabs in OT by 1 when Crabs brought the 2019s down to play 2020? We watched that game and they are a talented team-combined with the lacrosse background of the new Director, could be something happening there.

They have some very good coaches there. I wonder if more will join.

Some of the better 2020 Breakers kids will probably end up on Crabs 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of the better 2020 Breakers kids will probably end up on Crabs 2020

Maybe not after what Crabs did at Beach Lax. What parent would allow their kid to move to a team that brazenly distorts rules in ther favor just to win. Hopefully their parents have more self respect than that and want character development for their sons more than just winning.

Despite any parents who plan to take a moral stand against the "evil empire" don't be surprised if Looneys 2020 and Breakers 2020 lose their best players to Crabs 2020 this fall. College recruiting is quickly approaching and the bus is leaving the station�.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Despite any parents who plan to take a moral stand against the "evil empire" don't be surprised if Looneys 2020 and Breakers 2020 lose their best players to Crabs 2020 this fall. College recruiting is quickly approaching and the bus is leaving the station�.

Perhaps but they had about 26 kids at beach lax, how many more could they realistically add? They'd probably want them for the 2021 team anyway!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Despite any parents who plan to take a moral stand against the "evil empire" don't be surprised if Looneys 2020 and Breakers 2020 lose their best players to Crabs 2020 this fall. College recruiting is quickly approaching and the bus is leaving the station�.

Perhaps but they had about 26 kids at beach lax, how many more could they realistically add? They'd probably want them for the 2021 team anyway!

Is it so shocking that some parents are not willing to allow their kids to be associated with a team lacking character and sportsmanship and to be used in that way? There is a lot more to life than just winning and believe it or not kids that are not on the Crabs go on to have successful lacrosse college experiences with their character intact. Get over yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Despite any parents who plan to take a moral stand against the "evil empire" don't be surprised if Looneys 2020 and Breakers 2020 lose their best players to Crabs 2020 this fall. College recruiting is quickly approaching and the bus is leaving the station�.

There is more than 1 bus. Too many parents in the past have bought into the misinformation that Crabs is the only way. Times are changing my friend. Looneys, Breakers and Hawks have all had very competitive games with the Crabs in this age group- several OT games and perhaps their parents and the kids are okay with that as they kept their self respect intact and played the game the way it should be played. Would think more of the 2020s that got benched recently would look for a new team so they could actually play the game that they love instead of just wearing a uniform now.

Crabs 2020 will lose several kids. The next wave of reclassified kids will come next year and your son might have his spot taken or his playing time significantly impacted. Why subject him to that? Get on a good team and gel in time for next summer. Looneys, Breakers and FCA are all viable alternatives without the drama and soiled reputation.

At the rate that 3d and NXT are locking up tournaments, the Crabs slate of early July tournaments will matter less and less. If your team is good, you will be able to get into the 3d, NXT and NLF tournaments and in front of coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2020 will lose several kids. The next wave of reclassified kids will come next year and your son might have his spot taken or his playing time significantly impacted. Why subject him to that? Get on a good team and gel in time for next summer. Looneys, Breakers and FCA are all viable alternatives without the drama and soiled reputation.

At the rate that 3d and NXT are locking up tournaments, the Crabs slate of early July tournaments will matter less and less. If your team is good, you will be able to get into the 3d, NXT and NLF tournaments and in front of coaches.

That's got to suck to be in that situation. Your kid lives his team, coach, but is age appropriate and will get bumped by kids playing down. I feel for these kids. I hope they get recruited first and have the last laugh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is Breakers going to re-emerge as T91MD?

I doubt it - Rumor has it the Breakers unhappy with coach before T91 happened and kids unlikely to follow.

Don't tell me T91 has a Breakers coach to start their Baltimore experience? Talks about settling, or more accurately...unsettling.

Actually, they have *the* Breakers coach.

Who is "the" coach??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is Breakers going to re-emerge as T91MD?

I doubt it - Rumor has it the Breakers unhappy with coach before T91 happened and kids unlikely to follow.

Don't tell me T91 has a Breakers coach to start their Baltimore experience? Talks about settling, or more accurately...unsettling.

Actually, they have *the* Breakers coach.

Who is "the" coach??

91 sent email announcing Mark Millon as director of 91 in MD. Pretty similar to the one Breakers sent last year announcing Millon as director...

The club lax scene would make for a great reality show. follow the coaches, crazy parents, back room negotiations of which coach or kid is going to a new club

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Not a bad idea. I know one local coach offered that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Not true-there are plenty of.maryland teams without holdbacks. All clubs, coaches and parents in Maryland are not okay with the holdback model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Not true-there are plenty of.maryland teams without holdbacks. All clubs, coaches and parents in Maryland are not okay with the holdback model.

There is no chance if a top player who is a holdback asks to play for any Maryland club he will be aloud on the team. And I would like someone to show where any team is putting a age rule for a grad year team. If a Maryland holdback moves to LI what team will this kid play on? I am guessing not the team one year ahead of his real grad year. I would bet 100$ on that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Not true-there are plenty of.maryland teams without holdbacks. All clubs, coaches and parents in Maryland are not okay with the holdback model.

Well it's not FCA or Crabs ... so who cares? They seem to be the only clubs in Maryland that have any success in notable events. The other 30 clubs are "advanced rec" clubs... some more "advanced" than others.... but irrelevant nationally for the most part -- some anomalous age groups within programs are interesting but as a whole they are money grabs. I know, I know... Your Jimmy plays for the LAXMASTERS and they won a tournament in Haiti last winter and they are CO-MMITTED! to age-specific criteria... so what. Jimmy will try out for the Crabs next year and if they tell him to, Jimmy will go to Boy's Latin for his 2nd round of 8th Grade. The machine is running hard ... there is no turning back now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Doesn't seem to put them at a huge disadvantage when the LI age appropriate teams play MD clubs with holdbacks. Watch how hard those LI guys work off-ball. That's taught. Maybe the difference is coaching? Maybe T91 (LI) makes better lacrosse players...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Not true-there are plenty of.maryland teams without holdbacks. All clubs, coaches and parents in Maryland are not okay with the holdback model.

Well it's not FCA or Crabs ... so who cares? They seem to be the only clubs in Maryland that have any success in notable events. The other 30 clubs are "advanced rec" clubs... some more "advanced" than others.... but irrelevant nationally for the most part -- some anomalous age groups within programs are interesting but as a whole they are money grabs. I know, I know... Your Jimmy plays for the LAXMASTERS and they won a tournament in Haiti last winter and they are CO-MMITTED! to age-specific criteria... so what. Jimmy will try out for the Crabs next year and if they tell him to, Jimmy will go to Boy's Latin for his 2nd round of 8th Grade. The machine is running hard ... there is no turning back now.

That is really funny. FCA definitely is not a force in every age group. And Crabs...well they just win with holdbacks so pretty much everyone throws them out of the equation.

tournament this weekend who are the favorites to win each grade?

what notable events have the crabs had success in recently

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Not true-there are plenty of.maryland teams without holdbacks. All clubs, coaches and parents in Maryland are not okay with the holdback model.

Well it's not FCA or Crabs ... so who cares? They seem to be the only clubs in Maryland that have any success in notable events. The other 30 clubs are "advanced rec" clubs... some more "advanced" than others.... but irrelevant nationally for the most part -- some anomalous age groups within programs are interesting but as a whole they are money grabs. I know, I know... Your Jimmy plays for the LAXMASTERS and they won a tournament in Haiti last winter and they are CO-MMITTED! to age-specific criteria... so what. Jimmy will try out for the Crabs next year and if they tell him to, Jimmy will go to Boy's Latin for his 2nd round of 8th Grade. The machine is running hard ... there is no turning back now.

That is really funny. FCA definitely is not a force in every age group. And Crabs...well they just win with holdbacks so pretty much everyone throws them out of the equation.

FCA is on the road to becoming a force in every age group and like the Crab's system or not, they win a very high % of their games. Breakers is relevant in two age groups and Looneys in one and that is it outside of FCA and Crabs (I am talking about the greater Baltimore area). The last thing this area needs is another club program, even if it is 91 or Madlax. Parents, do yourselves and your sons and daughters (the girls club system is arguably more diluted) a big favor, get involved in your MYLA program and help it keep its good players until at least the 5th grade. Keep the club programs at bay for as long as you can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what notable events have the crabs had success in recently

Success in NPYLL and making it to at least the semi final round of each tournament they have played in so far this summer. The tournaments that the Crabs play in are typically some of the best in the country so a semi final loss is nothing to hang your head about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is T91MD planning on committing to not having any reclassifiers on their MD teams?

Have no idea, But the teams will be based in Maryland and that would put T91 at an disadvantage against all other top clubs in MD if T91 didn't take holdbacks.

Not true-there are plenty of.maryland teams without holdbacks. All clubs, coaches and parents in Maryland are not okay with the holdback model.

Well it's not FCA or Crabs ... so who cares? They seem to be the only clubs in Maryland that have any success in notable events. The other 30 clubs are "advanced rec" clubs... some more "advanced" than others.... but irrelevant nationally for the most part -- some anomalous age groups within programs are interesting but as a whole they are money grabs. I know, I know... Your Jimmy plays for the LAXMASTERS and they won a tournament in Haiti last winter and they are CO-MMITTED! to age-specific criteria... so what. Jimmy will try out for the Crabs next year and if they tell him to, Jimmy will go to Boy's Latin for his 2nd round of 8th Grade. The machine is running hard ... there is no turning back now.

Not everyone is willing to negotiate their kid,s future for a few good years of lacrosse- there are still some parents willing to do what is right and think big picture along with building character, good sportsmanship etc. There will always be some not strong enough to say no and that is their choice. Just worry what kind of adults we are creating when parents give permission to cheat the system to make your self look better. Best thing to happen will be more tourneys with age requirements like Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what notable events have the crabs had success in recently

Success in NPYLL and making it to at least the semi final round of each tournament they have played in so far this summer. The tournaments that the Crabs play in are typically some of the best in the country so a semi final loss is nothing to hang your head about.

i agree they have had success in npyll,but so have other clubs. when you blatantly cheat and twist and turn the rules to your advantage, people get sick of all of the chest pounding and I think reaching the semi finals in those situations is a bit of a disappointment, that is not what you payed Pretzel Boy all of that money for. yes they did win a tournament at the beach by blatantly cheating, but to flip flop your seeding(twice)in the middle of a tournament and then still fall short is sweet justice for all of the organizations that play by the rules and quietly go about their business

Im not sure T91 Maryland will pull as good of kids as they think because teams like FCA and Crabs are pulling the very best in.

Rumor has it that tryouts are free for T91 but the practice schedule for the season is crazy like 5 days a week with regular practice then training after.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im not sure T91 Maryland will pull as good of kids as they think because teams like FCA and Crabs are pulling the very best in.

Rumor has it that tryouts are free for T91 but the practice schedule for the season is crazy like 5 days a week with regular practice then training after.

Now that is a serious practice schedule

That's the way to do it!! Take all the fun out of it for those lazy 12 year olds.

The FCA 2020 team is one of the better teams I have seen lately. If they joined the NPYLL - between them, Crabs, Hawks and Breakers there could be some real good competition. 2020 Hawks beat them twice at McDonough tournament - first games was close. Championship not as close - but a good game.

Too bad the league is soiled by the Crabs reclassification nonsense.

Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

What grad year do you mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA 2020 team is one of the better teams I have seen lately. If they joined the NPYLL - between them, Crabs, Hawks and Breakers there could be some real good competition. 2020 Hawks beat them twice at McDonough tournament - first games was close. Championship not as close - but a good game.

Too bad the league is soiled by the Crabs reclassification nonsense.

FCA couldn't beat Hawks and breakers this season but next year I think they will improve a lot and surprise a lot of people

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Im not sure T91 Maryland will pull as good of kids as they think because teams like FCA and Crabs are pulling the very best in.

Rumor has it that tryouts are free for T91 but the practice schedule for the season is crazy like 5 days a week with regular practice then training after.

I heard they will practice blindfolded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

WWJD? Play the holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

WWJD? Play the holdbacks

That double OT loss stings doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

WWJD? Play the holdbacks

That double OT loss stings doesn't it?

So FCA has absolutely ZERO holdbacks?? C'mon Man�you need to go to confession! By the way, if you're kid is born before 1/1 he's a holdback�

'1/1' is not right. It's based on grades not birth year (like soccer). For most states, that's '9/1'. At least make the right argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

WWJD? Play the holdbacks

The one goalie came down from 2019 to play in MPLL

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

Then he should pick one team and stay with it, not show up wherever he is needed from week to week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

WWJD? Play the holdbacks

Kumbaya, pass the hat.

That double OT loss stings doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Well its the same result at the end of the day. And anyone with kids who are young and small for their age understand this the most.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Without a doubt!

What is the difference? Both graduate a year later than they are supposed to. Both are playing down which isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse.

Pretty sure that the FCA Blue 2018's have atleast five to six holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty sure that the FCA Blue 2018's have atleast five to six holdbacks.

I think this number is about on point with all the local top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Without a doubt!

What is the difference? Both graduate a year later than they are supposed to. Both are playing down which isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse.

If you think it is limited to lacrosse or Maryland you're kidding yourself. It happens in all sports across the country.

In the DMV only prevalent among the private school kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

WWJD? Play the holdbacks

Kumbaya, pass the hat.

That double OT loss stings doesn't it?

Act like you've won a game before.....dad who never played. Let me guess...you were in the band.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Without a doubt!

What is the difference? Both graduate a year later than they are supposed to. Both are playing down which isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse.

--On point, it "isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse"!!!!!!... Travel soccer has a sanctioned ID system... rec football has ID cards issued by the State.

Why is it so hard for the offending families to admit that their kids operate at an advantage? I would just admit it... "My Billy is bigger stronger and faster than your kid because I have the means to create an advantage for him." Just like "My Billy spent 14 years at a college prep school because... wait for it ... I have the means to create an advantage for him." Just be honest about it and we'll all leave you guys alone... [lacrosse], it's America... some people with mediocre talent are provided stellar opportunity. And some people with stellar talent are provided mediocre opportunity... If I were the former, I'd get T-Shirts made up that say "Let'em eat cake!" Flaunt that advantage!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Without a doubt!

What is the difference? Both graduate a year later than they are supposed to. Both are playing down which isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse.

If you think it is limited to lacrosse or Maryland you're kidding yourself. It happens in all sports across the country.

Not sure about MD but hockey, soccer, basketball and baseball all have very strict age limits. Very often kids cannot play within their grade, even if they meet the state cut off, the sport guideline does not always line up. Guess what? Everyone is fine and they play alongside age appropriate teams. If a kid is a ft taller and 50 pounds heavier, it's due to his DNA, not grade manipulation or starting school late. No advantages other than natural ones which is how it should be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

Best post on the board about this issue... nothing left to be said.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Without a doubt!

What is the difference? Both graduate a year later than they are supposed to. Both are playing down which isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse.

If you think it is limited to lacrosse or Maryland you're kidding yourself. It happens in all sports across the country.

Not sure about MD but hockey, soccer, basketball and baseball all have very strict age limits. Very often kids cannot play within their grade, even if they meet the state cut off, the sport guideline does not always line up. Guess what? Everyone is fine and they play alongside age appropriate teams. If a kid is a ft taller and 50 pounds heavier, it's due to his DNA, not grade manipulation or starting school late. No advantages other than natural ones which is how it should be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Without a doubt!

What is the difference? Both graduate a year later than they are supposed to. Both are playing down which isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse.

If you think it is limited to lacrosse or Maryland you're kidding yourself. It happens in all sports across the country.

I have two boys playing lacrosse, both have played at one point baseball, soccer, football, and ice hockey. I didn't see this issue with any of those sports. This is unique to lacrosse, and specifically the Maryland area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is that some kind of joke? The FCA program has TONS of reclassified kids. Tons.

My son plays for FCA. He has a Sept birthday and is one of the oldest boys on the team. What FCA team has TONS of holdbacks? Enlighten us

WWJD? Play the holdbacks

Kumbaya, pass the hat.

That double OT loss stings doesn't it?

Act like you've won a game before.....dad who never played. Let me guess...you were in the band.

ONE OF THE OLDEST, not the oldest?

let me guess the kids born in the summer of 2001 are the oldest kids!

My son played AAU BB for a couple years in the Baltimore area. AAU BB is way worse than Lax. My 5th grade son would have to post up on guys with facial hair.....in 5th grade!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

the one goalie you refer to is not a hold back... has been a 2020 and has played up

No, the kid I refer to has a summer birthday making him a 2019 player, the fact his parents started him late in school should have no bearing on the actual team he plays for. No difference between a kid who started school late, or went to pre first and hold backs.

You think a child that does an extra year of kindergarten so he won't be young for his grade and a boy that repeats 8th grade for no other reason than lacrosse are the same thing? Please.

Without a doubt!

What is the difference? Both graduate a year later than they are supposed to. Both are playing down which isn't acceptable in any other sport but lacrosse.

If you think it is limited to lacrosse or Maryland you're kidding yourself. It happens in all sports across the country.

I have two boys playing lacrosse, both have played at one point baseball, soccer, football, and ice hockey. I didn't see this issue with any of those sports. This is unique to lacrosse, and specifically the Maryland area.

Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world.

.[/quote] Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world. [/quote]

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world. [/quote]

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?[/quote]

No, but don't act like lacrosse is the only sport where kids don't play other kids that are their own age.

The Little League World Series is for kids 11-13. Just how in the world can those 13 year olds be allowed to play against 11 year olds? Such a travesty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world.

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?[/quote]

No, but don't act like lacrosse is the only sport where kids don't play other kids that are their own age.

The Little League World Series is for kids 11-13. Just how in the world can those 13 year olds be allowed to play against 11 year olds? Such a travesty [/quote]

Let's follow your sarcastic point. It is fine to have 11 year olds play 13 year olds if that is the rule (and by comparison that is what the old U-9, U-11, U-13 etc... lacrosse rules anticipated). What is not so fine and what you are purposely trying to fudge up is what the age based standard (really no standard) has brought about age spreads of three and sometimes four years with no ability to enforce any rule since all players are theoretically in the same grade (after being held back (excuse me... reclassified)) and worse, no way to even prove what grade a player is in.

AAU BB kid is usually a poorer kid hoping for a full scholarship out of the hood and dreams for NBA millions. Private school holdback is usually from a upper middle class to wealthy family hoping to live in the limelight of the club scene, private high school scene and maybe a partial scholarship to a school that costs $50,000 a year. Financially it does not make sense. PARENTS EGO'S are the driving force behind the lacrosse holdbacks! Completely different circumstances than to compare with AAU basketball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world.

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?[/quote]

No, but don't act like lacrosse is the only sport where kids don't play other kids that are their own age.

The Little League World Series is for kids 11-13. Just how in the world can those 13 year olds be allowed to play against 11 year olds? Such a travesty [/quote]

when you follow the U model it isn't an issue..u11, u13, u15. everybody does it the same, but to use kids that are older and should be a grade higher for graduation year teams is wrong. it is a travesty that parents allow their kids to play against younger players, why not put gloves on your kids and have them box kids two years younger! Parents that entertain this have no integrity and are teaching their kids that rules and guidelines don't matter, you can buy your way out of anything!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world.

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?

No, but don't act like lacrosse is the only sport where kids don't play other kids that are their own age.

The Little League World Series is for kids 11-13. Just how in the world can those 13 year olds be allowed to play against 11 year olds? Such a travesty [/quote]

Let's follow your sarcastic point. It is fine to have 11 year olds play 13 year olds if that is the rule (and by comparison that is what the old U-9, U-11, U-13 etc... lacrosse rules anticipated). What is not so fine and what you are purposely trying to fudge up is what the age based standard (really no standard) has brought about age spreads of three and sometimes four years with no ability to enforce any rule since all players are theoretically in the same grade (after being held back (excuse me... reclassified)) and worse, no way to even prove what grade a player is in. [/quote]

Explain to me how there can be a four year spread with grade based teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world.

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?

No, but don't act like lacrosse is the only sport where kids don't play other kids that are their own age.

The Little League World Series is for kids 11-13. Just how in the world can those 13 year olds be allowed to play against 11 year olds? Such a travesty [/quote]

when you follow the U model it isn't an issue..u11, u13, u15. everybody does it the same, but to use kids that are older and should be a grade higher for graduation year teams is wrong. it is a travesty that parents allow their kids to play against younger players, why not put gloves on your kids and have them box kids two years younger! Parents that entertain this have no integrity and are teaching their kids that rules and guidelines don't matter, you can buy your way out of anything! [/quote]

Ok, so what's the difference between the U model and a holdback playing down a grade? Either way, it's a two year spread.

These are all just excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world.

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?

No, but don't act like lacrosse is the only sport where kids don't play other kids that are their own age.

The Little League World Series is for kids 11-13. Just how in the world can those 13 year olds be allowed to play against 11 year olds? Such a travesty

Let's follow your sarcastic point. It is fine to have 11 year olds play 13 year olds if that is the rule (and by comparison that is what the old U-9, U-11, U-13 etc... lacrosse rules anticipated). What is not so fine and what you are purposely trying to fudge up is what the age based standard (really no standard) has brought about age spreads of three and sometimes four years with no ability to enforce any rule since all players are theoretically in the same grade (after being held back (excuse me... reclassified)) and worse, no way to even prove what grade a player is in. [/quote]

Explain to me how there can be a four year spread with grade based teams? [/quote]

Your question proves the point. There should not be any possibility to have a four year age spread with grade based teams, but that assumes that (a) every player is in the same grade (and there no way to verify this except for the word of the coach and/or the parent), and (b) you do not have players being held back multiple years, or being held back a year and then playing down another year on the basis of a future "PG" year (and yes that happens). Add into the mix players playing "up".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played AAU BB for a couple years in the Baltimore area. AAU BB is way worse than Lax. My 5th grade son would have to post up on guys with facial hair.....in 5th grade!!

Biff here, my son was shaving in the 5th grade also. The deal that Muffy and I made with him was once he got in the 6th grade and could drive himself to Crabs practice, he could stop on the way home and pick up a pack of razors. We felt it gave him a goal to strive for, of course me and the Mrs. paid for the razors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Guess you've never been to an AAU basketball tournament? Reclassifying is the norm in the basketball world.

so Basketball is the gold standard for youth sports?

No, but don't act like lacrosse is the only sport where kids don't play other kids that are their own age.

The Little League World Series is for kids 11-13. Just how in the world can those 13 year olds be allowed to play against 11 year olds? Such a travesty

when you follow the U model it isn't an issue..u11, u13, u15. everybody does it the same, but to use kids that are older and should be a grade higher for graduation year teams is wrong. it is a travesty that parents allow their kids to play against younger players, why not put gloves on your kids and have them box kids two years younger! Parents that entertain this have no integrity and are teaching their kids that rules and guidelines don't matter, you can buy your way out of anything! [/quote]

Ok, so what's the difference between the U model and a holdback playing down a grade? Either way, it's a two year spread.

These are all just excuses [/quote]

the difference is the rules allow kids play two years at a time, allowing more than one team per age group. normally the top team is the older team and more physically mature and the younger team not quite so. grade based should have hard birthdates that are enforced. a group of 7th graders should have kids on the team who should be in 8th or 9th grade, it simply isn't fair.

parents who condone this are just attempting to relive their youth through their children. putting 15 yr old johnny on the field with 13 year olds. its a joke as is anybody who supports this!

grade based should have hard birthdates that are enforced.

ummmm.....wouldn't that make them age based instead of grade based

Originally Posted by Anonymous

grade based should have hard birthdates that are enforced.

ummmm.....wouldn't that make them age based instead of grade based

Most people naturally assume/expect that kids in the same grade are (relatively) the same age. Others, unconstrained by ethics and a sense of what's right, saw the "opportunity" and have exploited it to the detriment of the rest of us.

LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

grade based should have hard birthdates that are enforced.

ummmm.....wouldn't that make them age based instead of grade based

Most people naturally assume/expect that kids in the same grade are (relatively) the same age. Others, unconstrained by ethics and a sense of what's right, saw the "opportunity" and have exploited it to the detriment of the rest of us.

As Felix Unger once said in court, "you know what happens when you assume"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

5%.....please. The 2019 Crabs were 75-80% holdbacks during this past NYPLL season. Again. I am not crying about it, I welcome the challenge for my son. But don't let the facts get in the way of the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

hold backs make up much more than 5%, stop making up arbitrary number to inflate your ego. most Crabs teams starting players are hold backs or kids that went to pre-first..sometimes both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

5%.....please. The 2019 Crabs were 75-80% holdbacks during this past NYPLL season. Again. I am not crying about it, I welcome the challenge for my son. But don't let the facts get in the way of the truth.

Way more than 5% for sure! It's an embarrassment and a desperate move to hold back kids for lax. If a kid is worth their weight, have them play up and really get noticed. Get your kid an early verbal, and then watch them level out as the rest of the kids pass puberty and pass your holdback by. Desperate move for attention and recognition. Play up, not down!

[quote=Anonymous]5%.....please. The 2019 Crabs were 75-80% holdbacks during this past NYPLL season. Again. I am not crying about it, I welcome the challenge for my son. But don't let the facts get in the way of the truth. [/quote

Ok. So there are 10 holdbacs on Crabs 2019. What percentage of all 2019 lacrosse players is that? Are you trying to argue that it's more than 5%?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Great job creating a straw man and then flogging it.

No one is advocating that 12 year olds can only play 12 year olds. I am glad your kids are on age (so is mine). Just as your kids play bigger kids, so does mine. Hurray for you.

What I do get tired of is when my son and his team (all on age and all pretty good sized boys) go to Maryland and are consistently playing teams on which not some, but all of the players are several years older, 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. I guess 12 and 13 year old boys in the 7th grade are just bigger in Maryland.

The issue (and it is an issue) is the farce that the Club teams are creating by first insisting on grade based teams and then manipulating the rules so that grade level means nothing and all that counts is playing entire teams down.

I am all for a challenge, but when the game is rigged, it is annoying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

If that is the rules of age than EVERYONE will get their day in the sun to be the oldest. With your grade base teams only the select and chosen ones( holdbacks/reclassify/pre-first) get to be the oldest. You are a apologist for the select few that get to game the system. Goes against everything that is taught in youth sports..and everything the MIAA and other private schools preach constantly..Character, Character..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played AAU BB for a couple years in the Baltimore area. AAU BB is way worse than Lax. My 5th grade son would have to post up on guys with facial hair.....in 5th grade!!

Dont understand all this AAU BB horror stories. Front page of AAU Basketball clearly says that they go by age at youth level???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Great job creating a straw man and then flogging it.

No one is advocating that 12 year olds can only play 12 year olds. I am glad your kids are on age (so is mine). Just as your kids play bigger kids, so does mine. Hurray for you.

What I do get tired of is when my son and his team (all on age and all pretty good sized boys) go to Maryland and are consistently playing teams on which not some, but all of the players are several years older, 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. I guess 12 and 13 year old boys in the 7th grade are just bigger in Maryland.

The issue (and it is an issue) is the farce that the Club teams are creating by first insisting on grade based teams and then manipulating the rules so that grade level means nothing and all that counts is playing entire teams down.

I am all for a challenge, but when the game is rigged, it is annoying.

Than stay home, PLEASE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son played AAU BB for a couple years in the Baltimore area. AAU BB is way worse than Lax. My 5th grade son would have to post up on guys with facial hair.....in 5th grade!!

Dont understand all this AAU BB horror stories. Front page of AAU Basketball clearly says that they go by age at youth level???

And they validate those ages. Probably just another holdback parent throwing nonsense out to try to support what they are doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

They go by age AND weight in Pop Warner. Specifically,, to avoid the large size differences . Let's hope your kid never has a major life changing injury due to the selfishness of those trying to manipulate the system for their own kids benefit. Risks are always there and yes there are some kids big for their age, but to field a team with a significant number of holdbacks is negligent, unsportsmanlike and jus wrong on multiple levels. If you can not see or understand how that is the problem with society and not coddling when folks start putting others at risk for their own gain then I do feel for you and yours. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Great job creating a straw man and then flogging it.

No one is advocating that 12 year olds can only play 12 year olds. I am glad your kids are on age (so is mine). Just as your kids play bigger kids, so does mine. Hurray for you.

What I do get tired of is when my son and his team (all on age and all pretty good sized boys) go to Maryland and are consistently playing teams on which not some, but all of the players are several years older, 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. I guess 12 and 13 year old boys in the 7th grade are just bigger in Maryland.

The issue (and it is an issue) is the farce that the Club teams are creating by first insisting on grade based teams and then manipulating the rules so that grade level means nothing and all that counts is playing entire teams down.

I am all for a challenge, but when the game is rigged, it is annoying.

Than stay home, PLEASE

Spoken like a true tough guy who wants an advantage for him but not the rest. How about this tough guy play up and see how it feels..Oh that might be a disadvantage to you. Too funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Great job creating a straw man and then flogging it.

No one is advocating that 12 year olds can only play 12 year olds. I am glad your kids are on age (so is mine). Just as your kids play bigger kids, so does mine. Hurray for you.

What I do get tired of is when my son and his team (all on age and all pretty good sized boys) go to Maryland and are consistently playing teams on which not some, but all of the players are several years older, 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. I guess 12 and 13 year old boys in the 7th grade are just bigger in Maryland.

The issue (and it is an issue) is the farce that the Club teams are creating by first insisting on grade based teams and then manipulating the rules so that grade level means nothing and all that counts is playing entire teams down.

I am all for a challenge, but when the game is rigged, it is annoying.

Than stay home, PLEASE

Spoken like a true tough guy who wants an advantage for him but not the rest. How about this tough guy play up and see how it feels..Oh that might be a disadvantage to you. Too funny

What's funny NY tough guy is your blood boiling.....its OK Ryan will take your money. Just wipe the hair grease off it first

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Great job creating a straw man and then flogging it.

No one is advocating that 12 year olds can only play 12 year olds. I am glad your kids are on age (so is mine). Just as your kids play bigger kids, so does mine. Hurray for you.

What I do get tired of is when my son and his team (all on age and all pretty good sized boys) go to Maryland and are consistently playing teams on which not some, but all of the players are several years older, 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. I guess 12 and 13 year old boys in the 7th grade are just bigger in Maryland.

The issue (and it is an issue) is the farce that the Club teams are creating by first insisting on grade based teams and then manipulating the rules so that grade level means nothing and all that counts is playing entire teams down.

I am all for a challenge, but when the game is rigged, it is annoying.

Than stay home, PLEASE

Previous poster raised some valid points, which your response did not address at all.

Spoken like a true tough guy who wants an advantage for him but not the rest. How about this tough guy play up and see how it feels..Oh that might be a disadvantage to you. Too funny

What's funny NY tough guy is your blood boiling.....its OK Ryan will take your money. Just wipe the hair grease off it first

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Great job creating a straw man and then flogging it.

No one is advocating that 12 year olds can only play 12 year olds. I am glad your kids are on age (so is mine). Just as your kids play bigger kids, so does mine. Hurray for you.

What I do get tired of is when my son and his team (all on age and all pretty good sized boys) go to Maryland and are consistently playing teams on which not some, but all of the players are several years older, 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. I guess 12 and 13 year old boys in the 7th grade are just bigger in Maryland.

The issue (and it is an issue) is the farce that the Club teams are creating by first insisting on grade based teams and then manipulating the rules so that grade level means nothing and all that counts is playing entire teams down.

I am all for a challenge, but when the game is rigged, it is annoying.

Than stay home, PLEASE

Spoken like a true tough guy who wants an advantage for him but not the rest. How about this tough guy play up and see how it feels..Oh that might be a disadvantage to you. Too funny

Yup. He's a rough tough guy and his son is too. You should see his son, a real tough stud. So tough that Dad has held back his son once and his son is going to do a PG year (really he is) and for that reason he is playing on a seventh grade team when his peers are playing on an 8th or 9th grade team (except they are not, they are all playing down with his son because they were held back too and are all going to do a PG year). Why his son is so good he can run over kids two and three years younger and 40 pounds lighter at will. Damn his son is good and so is he for gaming the system. Anyone who challenges him is a chump for not taking advantage of the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] LOL. Why yes. That would make it U13, U11, etc. And everybody bitched about that. Apparently our society has gotten to the point that it is a social injustice for an 13 yr old to play a sport against some 15 yr olds. It seems the only acceptable solution to some of these parents is for kids to only play other kids their age. Funny, that's the way it always was and everything was fine. Holdbacks probably make up less than 5% of the lacrosse playing population. This is all so stupid.

No, it is a legitimate safety issue for 13 year olds to play 15 year olds in a sport that sometimes includes intense physical contact, which is why sports like football and hockey have taken steps to correct.

Glad it is not an issue in your neighborhood but it certainly is for parents who have to watch their kids take the field against team who, almost to a man, are 6" taller and 30-40 lbs heavier, hope you never have to experience that.

That's funny. The pop warner nationals have divisions for 10-12 and 12-15. I just can't imagine how they aren't killing each other. Jesus this a ridiculous argument. When did it become a requirement that 12 year olds could only play against 12 year olds? in our crazy PC coddling society I guess. God forbid little jimmy had to play against someone 30 lbs bigger than him. It's a much better lesson that we can arrange it that you will only ever compete against kids the exact same size as you. Good luck in life. My kids are all on age. It's good for them to play bigger kids from time to time.

Great job creating a straw man and then flogging it.

No one is advocating that 12 year olds can only play 12 year olds. I am glad your kids are on age (so is mine). Just as your kids play bigger kids, so does mine. Hurray for you.

What I do get tired of is when my son and his team (all on age and all pretty good sized boys) go to Maryland and are consistently playing teams on which not some, but all of the players are several years older, 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. I guess 12 and 13 year old boys in the 7th grade are just bigger in Maryland.

The issue (and it is an issue) is the farce that the Club teams are creating by first insisting on grade based teams and then manipulating the rules so that grade level means nothing and all that counts is playing entire teams down.

I am all for a challenge, but when the game is rigged, it is annoying.

Than stay home, PLEASE

Spoken like a true tough guy who wants an advantage for him but not the rest. How about this tough guy play up and see how it feels..Oh that might be a disadvantage to you. Too funny

Yup. He's a rough tough guy and his son is too. You should see his son, a real tough stud. So tough that Dad has held back his son once and his son is going to do a PG year (really he is) and for that reason he is playing on a seventh grade team when his peers are playing on an 8th or 9th grade team (except they are not, they are all playing down with his son because they were held back too and are all going to do a PG year). Why his son is so good he can run over kids two and three years younger and 40 pounds lighter at will. Damn his son is good and so is he for gaming the system. Anyone who challenges him is a chump for not taking advantage of the rules.

My kid is young for his age and average size. He goes to a public school with a lacrosse pedigree that is ... uhhh... developing. He doesn't seem to mind competing against guys that are more physically mature and older than him during the club season. He plays with and against some great players. To each his own. If you rant and whine your kid will model your victim behavior. It all weighs out in the end... chill out.

Oh yeah ... go NPYLL!

Let's see if you and he feel the same way after a few concussions or other life changing injuries because he is playing against teams that are comprised of holdbacks who do not give a hoot about your son and others in pursuit of their own tainted wins. There are enough large kids for their age that the boys can test their bravado but should not be subject to teams full of holdbacks. So it is victim behavior to be on the receiving end of behavior that is cheating and manipulating? Would rather teach my son to stand up for what is right rather than go along with the crowd because everyone is doing it.

wa wa wa

Good by NPYLL

Huh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good by NPYLL

What is that supposed to mean..is a new league replacing NPYLL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wa wa wa

Wawa has good hoagies!

The new kiosk to order them sucks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The new kiosk to order them sucks

You do need a 8th grade education to operate them. Maybe you should just get your kid to order for you.

Thanx. I knew this forum was good for something other than complaining about re-class kids and everyone's superstar D1 athletes. Woo Hoo. Hogies on me.

Anyone know the back story about why the NPYLL has folded? Something to do with a DC club pulling all their teams and killing it?

shocked that club owners weren't able to get along well enough to run a league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know the back story about why the NPYLL has folded? Something to do with a DC club pulling all their teams and killing it?

This is a guess. Some of the NYPLL clubs have trouble fielding AA quality teams at all age groups. The Hoco league has a wider variance of teams AA,A,B etc. So if you have a rockstar 2021 team you can put them in AA, But you can barely field 2022 - you can put them in B. Also Howard Co Rec does everything - supplies fields, refs, runs score board. Games are centrally located for Balt, Annapolis and DC teams. Much less work to participate in Hoco for directors and coaches. Overall this is a good thing as there should now be enough AA teams to have 3 divisions in each grade - AA, A & B. They key will be if team that are AA or A but not quite strong enough to win AA title sandbag into A or B to get a trophy.

The Cannons and Madlax pulled out and that collapsed it.

So HOCO clubs all have no problem fielding AA teams but NYPLL teams have "trouble" fielding quality AA teams. That's the insinuation.

Laughing.

I guess we will see!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So HOCO clubs all have no problem fielding AA teams but NYPLL teams have "trouble" fielding quality AA teams. That's the insinuation.

Laughing.

I guess we will see!

didn't say that. most hoco teams can't field AA teams at all levels either. at least clubs combining into one league should do away with silly pissing matches about which league is better.

A former NPYLL Team will win every grade of HOCO AA this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So HOCO clubs all have no problem fielding AA teams but NYPLL teams have "trouble" fielding quality AA teams. That's the insinuation.

Laughing.

I guess we will see!

don't think the poster meant that! Reading and comprehension must not be your strong suit. He said that HOCO had more divisions, so if your club has a weak year they have a "B" division for your team. Nothing worse than being forced to play up in a division you can't compete in.

Maybe, if NPYLL had lower divisions they wouldn't have folded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A former NPYLL Team will win every grade of HOCO AA this year.

Whatever. We beat every npyll team we played last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A former NPYLL Team will win every grade of HOCO AA this year.

Whatever. We beat every npyll team we played last year.

Would love to see the HOCO league tell Crabs you are not welcome here. No, not because they win so much, it is how they manipulate the system to win, especially 2020 and 2021. Let them go up to Pa every weekend and play there. I'm sure Crab daddy Ryan M isn't happy about his league folding, he will lose money and that he doesn't like. He is driven by power and money.

Maybe you should reread the post Captain GED! The post doesn't have Divisions mentioned in it like you qouted. Club quality maybe. If you want to question a post feel free to quote it correctly, or do you always lack integrity?

I say keep them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you should reread the post Captain GED! The post doesn't have Divisions mentioned in it like you qouted. Club quality maybe. If you want to question a post feel free to quote it correctly, or do you always lack integrity?

nobody knows who you are referring to. Keep up the good work though!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you should reread the post Captain GED! The post doesn't have Divisions mentioned in it like you qouted. Club quality maybe. If you want to question a post feel free to quote it correctly, or do you always lack integrity?

Where is your quote? You little simple man!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A former NPYLL Team will win every grade of HOCO AA this year.

Whatever. We beat every npyll team we played last year.

Would love to see the HOCO league tell Crabs you are not welcome here. No, not because they win so much, it is how they manipulate the system to win, especially 2020 and 2021. Let them go up to Pa every weekend and play there. I'm sure Crab daddy Ryan M isn't happy about his league folding, he will lose money and that he doesn't like. He is driven by power and money.

The HOCO should have a special place in the Hall of SHAME of Lacrosse. They were the league that started all this grade base teams. The stupid MYLA tried to have a Club League and MYLA and HoCO set up a grade base league.Still dont know why they did it except to accommodate the Private Schools and prefirsts??? Whatever reason Howard County Recreation deserves to be included in the Hall of Shame... Once the grade base leagues came out...That was all that the Crabs needed and within a year had stated to corner the market on holdbacks/prefirsts.

Now that the teams are handcuffed. This would be time to make it grade based. Or at least a division. Make a statement Howard county. Se t the new norm.

Those top 5 teams in each divisions more than likely actually have to play their age. Wow. Vs 9th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A former NPYLL Team will win every grade of HOCO AA this year.

I stand corrected. This won't end the NYPLL is better than Hoco pissing match. Congratulations on raising a NYPLL kid. D1 all-american for sure. Do you have "My kid is NYPLL" bumper sticker?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the teams are handcuffed. This would be time to make it grade based. Or at least a division. Make a statement Howard county. Se t the new norm.

It is already grade based. Did you mean have HoCo put some maximum age restrictions in place per grade? Doubt they would do that as some of them have their hand in the proverbial holdback pot too with personal vested interests in supporting the holdback status quo. The lacrosse world at the top is a very tight and intertwined group but the hope would be that a governmentally sponsored league will be the ones to finally do the right thing to stop the lunacy and put in age restrictions by grade in the interest of all kids - not just their own and that of the "adults" running the bigger clubs who have distorted the rules.

Can someone confirm the NPYLL has folded for 2016?

Details please like how you know, this is interesting.

Could this finally be the moment that Ryan McClernan gets muscled out rather than vice versa? A new DMV to Annapolis league and a current HOCO league for central and northern MD both without Crabs would really impale Ryan's youth programs. I doubt Crabs would be welcomed into HOCO, and there are plenty of other club owners in the DMV who have no love lost for RM. This might get interesting.

Mr Madlax pulled Cannons and Madlax out and the league collapsed.

Crabs were a founding HoCo team - they were a big reason why NPYLL went grade based

Why do people think they are going to get squeezed out now?

Crabs are in HOCO. Move on. Every Club Team in Maryland is now in HOCO. Good thing.

This certainly puts all the best teams in one place. Should be very interesting and extremely competitive. Too bad Crabs will still be able to game the system with all the holdbacks - but - I'd bet there are a few clubs that will give them a run for their money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This certainly puts all the best teams in one place. Should be very interesting and extremely competitive. Too bad Crabs will still be able to game the system with all the holdbacks - but - I'd bet there are a few clubs that will give them a run for their money.

True, Crabs will still be able to game the system with their many holdbacks and agree there are some teams that will give Crabs a strong game but I just feel why let Ryan M and his corrupt organization in and let them ruin a fairly good league. This man has a lot of power in youth lacrosse and is one of the reasons it is getting f'ed up. Would like to see him knocked down a peg or two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This certainly puts all the best teams in one place. Should be very interesting and extremely competitive. Too bad Crabs will still be able to game the system with all the holdbacks - but - I'd bet there are a few clubs that will give them a run for their money.

True, Crabs will still be able to game the system with their many holdbacks and agree there are some teams that will give Crabs a strong game but I just feel why let Ryan M and his corrupt organization in and let them ruin a fairly good league. This man has a lot of power in youth lacrosse and is one of the reasons it is getting f'ed up. Would like to see him knocked down a peg or two.

It will never happen with Howard County despite their talk that they have legitimacy and fairness within youth sports as their main focus. Crabs will not be banned from the league nor will any negative behavior by the mainstream teams suffer consequences because there are folks there who are close to RM and participate in the holdback environment themselves. Do not expect fairness and legitimacy of the sport to be protected just because it is a County sponsored league. Best thing they could do is put a maximum age per grade like tournaments are beginning to do so kids 1 and 2 years older are not on teams that are supposed to be another age but just because that is the best and right thing to do in the interest of the majority of kids, they will continue to participate in the environment that protects the minority and who are perceived to yield the most power.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are in HOCO. Move on. Every Club Team in Maryland is now in HOCO. Good thing.

Must be a Crab or someone who shares their philosophy that gaming the system is okay. If they are in, guess here comes another league with no morals and folks who are afraid to set the standard and stand up for the kids.

They should at least go by the World Series rules from last summer. June 1st if I'm not mistaken. No one should be playing in an 8th grade league at 15.

So this basically means I will spend this spring listening to lacrosse parents from Virginia complain about driving to Maryland every weekend.

It is amazing how everyone gives the Madlax owner a pass when he actually threatens his own players/families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how everyone gives the Madlax owner a pass when he actually threatens his own players/families.

Ah he was put up on Deadspin and called the worst club owner in America. I would not call that a pass. He is crazy this is true. But I would say 80% of all these club leaders are nuts. He has never hit or shaken any players. To be honest with you I think he has a mild form of Tourette's. Or social anxiety disorder. Not excuses just maybe a reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how everyone gives the Madlax owner a pass when he actually threatens his own players/families.

Ah he was put up on Deadspin and called the worst club owner in America. I would not call that a pass. He is crazy this is true. But I would say 80% of all these club leaders are nuts. He has never hit or shaken any players. To be honest with you I think he has a mild form of Tourette's. Or social anxiety disorder. Not excuses just maybe a reason.

There was plenty of crazy going strong on both sides of that ungrateful DeadSpin article. The parents involved were nutballs. I used to think Madlax owner was just the worst. I eventually came around to understanding I just hadn't given the other DMV area club owners including our own to show their true colors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So HOCO clubs all have no problem fielding AA teams but NYPLL teams have "trouble" fielding quality AA teams. That's the insinuation.

Laughing.

I guess we will see!

Don't know how the other ages did, but the Hoco 2022 league had 1 AA team that won every game by at least 10 ( and was in NPYLL the year before). Sounds like only 1 quality AA team in that grade. Fielding an AA team is different than being able to compete at The AA level.

I think the clubs left NPYLL for logistical reasons as much as competitive ones. Coordinating fields and refs for games was too much for some clubs being run part time by dads. NPYLL games rarely had a working scoreboard. Hoco makes it nice and easy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So HOCO clubs all have no problem fielding AA teams but NYPLL teams have "trouble" fielding quality AA teams. That's the insinuation.

Laughing.

I guess we will see!

Don't know how the other ages did, but the Hoco 2022 league had 1 AA team that won every game by at least 10 ( and was in NPYLL the year before). Sounds like only 1 quality AA team in that grade. Fielding an AA team is different than being able to compete at The AA level.

I think the clubs left NPYLL for logistical reasons as much as competitive ones. Coordinating fields and refs for games was too much for some clubs being run part time by dads. NPYLL games rarely had a working scoreboard. Hoco makes it nice and easy.

So I am with Madlax never played in HOCO. What should us Madlax parents expect from HOCO. Are all the games played at one field or all over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So HOCO clubs all have no problem fielding AA teams but NYPLL teams have "trouble" fielding quality AA teams. That's the insinuation.

Laughing.

I guess we will see!

Don't know how the other ages did, but the Hoco 2022 league had 1 AA team that won every game by at least 10 ( and was in NPYLL the year before). Sounds like only 1 quality AA team in that grade. Fielding an AA team is different than being able to compete at The AA level.

I think the clubs left NPYLL for logistical reasons as much as competitive ones. Coordinating fields and refs for games was too much for some clubs being run part time by dads. NPYLL games rarely had a working scoreboard. Hoco makes it nice and easy.

So I am with Madlax never played in HOCO. What should us Madlax parents expect from HOCO. Are all the games played at one field or all over?

All HOCO games are played at one of the Howard County regional parks. Blandair, Western etc. All have multiple turf fields with operating scoreboards. There are usually food vendors there during games as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So HOCO clubs all have no problem fielding AA teams but NYPLL teams have "trouble" fielding quality AA teams. That's the insinuation.

Laughing.

I guess we will see!

Don't know how the other ages did, but the Hoco 2022 league had 1 AA team that won every game by at least 10 ( and was in NPYLL the year before). Sounds like only 1 quality AA team in that grade. Fielding an AA team is different than being able to compete at The AA level.

I think the clubs left NPYLL for logistical reasons as much as competitive ones. Coordinating fields and refs for games was too much for some clubs being run part time by dads. NPYLL games rarely had a working scoreboard. Hoco makes it nice and easy.

So I am with Madlax never played in HOCO. What should us Madlax parents expect from HOCO. Are all the games played at one field or all over?

Usually always the same park for each age group which can have multiple fields. The website fior Hoco lists multiple possible sites. Bland air has the most fields.

The official name of the league is Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference so google that for the homepage with info.

I think clubs can host home games on their home fields if they want but one of the key benefits of Hoco is they provide the fields.

Are HOCO games always on Sunday's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are HOCO games always on Sunday's?

Yes. Except for 8th which is sat

Curious. Are travel team games on Sunday's so that players can play in rec teams on Saturdays?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious. Are travel team games on Sunday's so that players can play in rec teams on Saturdays?

Yes. That was the original intent. club league was scheduled around myla games and club practices supposed to be only on fri. Only lasted one year. Teams can practice as much as they want now

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Practice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Practice

Or play in the MPLL being run by Koopers at St. Paul's. It sounds like the majority of clubs are doing this on Sat. in addition to the HoCo league on Sun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Well must Madlax kids live in VA so they play on a local NVYLL team on Sat. Must NVYLL A teams practice 3 times a week M,W,FRi, and Madlax practices on Tues and Thur. So my son had lacrosse during the spring 7 days a week for 3 years in a row.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Well must Madlax kids live in VA so they play on a local NVYLL team on Sat. Must NVYLL A teams practice 3 times a week M,W,FRi, and Madlax practices on Tues and Thur. So my son had lacrosse during the spring 7 days a week for 3 years in a row.

Wow. That's too much. Even college teams get a day off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Well must Madlax kids live in VA so they play on a local NVYLL team on Sat. Must NVYLL A teams practice 3 times a week M,W,FRi, and Madlax practices on Tues and Thur. So my son had lacrosse during the spring 7 days a week for 3 years in a row.

The Rec leagues are pretty much C level competition in MD so the club kids rarely play both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Well must Madlax kids live in VA so they play on a local NVYLL team on Sat. Must NVYLL A teams practice 3 times a week M,W,FRi, and Madlax practices on Tues and Thur. So my son had lacrosse during the spring 7 days a week for 3 years in a row.

The Rec leagues are pretty much C level competition in MD so the club kids rarely play both.

I would say VA rec A level with NVYLL is worth the effort still. Its not travel ball but because most kids do both still the skill level is there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Practice

Or play in the MPLL being run by Koopers at St. Paul's. It sounds like the majority of clubs are doing this on Sat. in addition to the HoCo league on Sun.

Most of the better 2020 teams are heading to a league outside of Philly on Sundays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Practice

Or play in the MPLL being run by Koopers at St. Paul's. It sounds like the majority of clubs are doing this on Sat. in addition to the HoCo league on Sun.

Most of the better 2020 teams are heading to a league outside of Philly on Sundays.

I think that's a Saturday league since everyone will be playing HoCo on Sundays.

People. Hoco at the 2020 level plays on Saturdays. The two local teams playing in philly on Sunday's are the crazies. Looneys/ 91. Vs no one really better than who is staying down in bmore. Travel on Sunday for spring ball seems like a reach. Whole sunday is shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Practice

Or play in the MPLL being run by Koopers at St. Paul's. It sounds like the majority of clubs are doing this on Sat. in addition to the HoCo league on Sun.

Most of the better 2020 teams are heading to a league outside of Philly on Sundays.

I think that's a Saturday league since everyone will be playing HoCo on Sundays.

that's good, gives true "A" team level competition in MPLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Practice

Or play in the MPLL being run by Koopers at St. Paul's. It sounds like the majority of clubs are doing this on Sat. in addition to the HoCo league on Sun.

Most of the better 2020 teams are heading to a league outside of Philly on Sundays.

I think that's a Saturday league since everyone will be playing HoCo on Sundays.

Hoco is on Saturdays for 8th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry. New to travel teams. If games are Sunday's , what do teams like Madlax, NL, Bethesda, etc do on Saturdays? Thanks!

Practice

Or play in the MPLL being run by Koopers at St. Paul's. It sounds like the majority of clubs are doing this on Sat. in addition to the HoCo league on Sun.

Most of the better 2020 teams are heading to a league outside of Philly on Sundays.

I think that's a Saturday league since everyone will be playing HoCo on Sundays.

No, in the HOCO league 2020's play on Saturday and all other age groups play on Sunday. The stronger 2020 teams play on Sunday in the NXT Mid Atlantic Lacrosse League in the Phila area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People. Hoco at the 2020 level plays on Saturdays. The two local teams playing in philly on Sunday's are the crazies. Looneys/ 91. Vs no one really better than who is staying down in bmore. Travel on Sunday for spring ball seems like a reach. Whole sunday is shot.

where is the philly league

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People. Hoco at the 2020 level plays on Saturdays. The two local teams playing in philly on Sunday's are the crazies. Looneys/ 91. Vs no one really better than who is staying down in bmore. Travel on Sunday for spring ball seems like a reach. Whole sunday is shot.

good for them getting out of the fish tank and testing new waters! why continue to play the same teams each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People. Hoco at the 2020 level plays on Saturdays. The two local teams playing in philly on Sunday's are the crazies. Looneys/ 91. Vs no one really better than who is staying down in bmore. Travel on Sunday for spring ball seems like a reach. Whole sunday is shot.

good for them getting out of the fish tank and testing new waters! why continue to play the same teams each year.

What 2020s are playing on Sundays in what organized league locally? The teams involved are from surrounding areas to Philly and are not traveling there every Sunday - it is being set up to accommodate the regional teams - they will play at most every other Sunday maybe less. An hour and a half drive to Philly vs the drive that some clubs traditionally made as part of NYPLL is not a bad thing. Guess the nay sayer was not invited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People. Hoco at the 2020 level plays on Saturdays. The two local teams playing in philly on Sunday's are the crazies. Looneys/ 91. Vs no one really better than who is staying down in bmore. Travel on Sunday for spring ball seems like a reach. Whole sunday is shot.

good for them getting out of the fish tank and testing new waters! why continue to play the same teams each year.

What 2020s are playing on Sundays in what organized league locally? The teams involved are from surrounding areas to Philly and are not traveling there every Sunday - it is being set up to accommodate the regional teams - they will play at most every other Sunday maybe less. An hour and a half drive to Philly vs the drive that some clubs traditionally made as part of NYPLL is not a bad thing. Guess the nay sayer was not invited.

any idea if its multiple games on one day?

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Bitter bitter little man

Loonies and Crabs made for each other

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People. Hoco at the 2020 level plays on Saturdays. The two local teams playing in philly on Sunday's are the crazies. Looneys/ 91. Vs no one really better than who is staying down in bmore. Travel on Sunday for spring ball seems like a reach. Whole sunday is shot.

good for them getting out of the fish tank and testing new waters! why continue to play the same teams each year.

What 2020s are playing on Sundays in what organized league locally? The teams involved are from surrounding areas to Philly and are not traveling there every Sunday - it is being set up to accommodate the regional teams - they will play at most every other Sunday maybe less. An hour and a half drive to Philly vs the drive that some clubs traditionally made as part of NYPLL is not a bad thing. Guess the nay sayer was not invited.

any idea if its multiple games on one day?

Sounds like the teams could opt for two games a day or or three but not sure if the official schedule is out. Great opportunity to play other teams outside of the immediate area.

Yes we are playing 3 games at a clip, only 3 trips, its worth it. Just heard Rising Sons are coming down to HOCO. This will be an incredible Spring at 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People. Hoco at the 2020 level plays on Saturdays. The two local teams playing in philly on Sunday's are the crazies. Looneys/ 91. Vs no one really better than who is staying down in bmore. Travel on Sunday for spring ball seems like a reach. Whole sunday is shot.

good for them getting out of the fish tank and testing new waters! why continue to play the same teams each year.

What 2020s are playing on Sundays in what organized league locally? The teams involved are from surrounding areas to Philly and are not traveling there every Sunday - it is being set up to accommodate the regional teams - they will play at most every other Sunday maybe less. An hour and a half drive to Philly vs the drive that some clubs traditionally made as part of NYPLL is not a bad thing. Guess the nay sayer was not invited.

any idea if its multiple games on one day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Bitter bitter little man

Nope. Everyone knows Looney's parents are the least educated ones out there. Only club ever kicked out of the NPYLL for cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Bitter bitter little man

Nope. Everyone knows Looney's parents are the least educated ones out there. Only club ever kicked out of the NPYLL for cheating.

Hey Pal- Just taking a break from studying for the GED. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm. Help me out. Which team should my son go out for next year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Bitter bitter little man

Nope. Everyone knows Looney's parents are the least educated ones out there. Only club ever kicked out of the NPYLL for cheating.

hey jealousy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Bitter bitter little man

Nope. Everyone knows Looney's parents are the least educated ones out there. Only club ever kicked out of the NPYLL for cheating.

Hey Pal- Just taking a break from studying for the GED. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm. Help me out. Which team should my son go out for next year?

If he is as dumb as you I would say Crabs, they have a boat load of holdbacks so that will help him in school and maybe not have to take the GED like you.

Is Rising Sons really coming to play in HOCO this year. They put their kids' birthdays on the website. Any MD/VA teams willing to do this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Bitter bitter little man

Nope. Everyone knows Looney's parents are the least educated ones out there. Only club ever kicked out of the NPYLL for cheating.

Hey Pal- Just taking a break from studying for the GED. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm. Help me out. Which team should my son go out for next year?

If he is as dumb as you I would say Crabs, they have a boat load of holdbacks so that will help him in school and maybe not have to take the GED like you.

ok you don't like crabs either. trying to figure out where the enlightened parents have their kids play lacrosse. Seriously - if you want to tell us all about which clubs to avoid, how about sharing which clubs you support?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's got kicked out of the NPYLL and nobody wants to associate with them. Very good 2020 team, but the rest of the club is dreadful. Parents are the worst.

Bitter bitter little man

Nope. Everyone knows Looney's parents are the least educated ones out there. Only club ever kicked out of the NPYLL for cheating.

Hey Pal- Just taking a break from studying for the GED. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm. Help me out. Which team should my son go out for next year?

If he is as dumb as you I would say Crabs, they have a boat load of holdbacks so that will help him in school and maybe not have to take the GED like you.

ok you don't like crabs either. trying to figure out where the enlightened parents have their kids play lacrosse. Seriously - if you want to tell us all about which clubs to avoid, how about sharing which clubs you support?

Are you kidding, no one here is taking you seriously, you need to figure things out for yourself. Oh, that's right, your still trying to pass your GED.

MPLL is getting more teams at the upper ages 2022, 2021, 2020. Looks like 10 team leagues. Rock, Looneys, HoCo, Rough Riders, 91, Laxworld, Wolfpack at almost all ages. FCA, Hawks, Bitmore, Ground Control, Coppermine, Koopers, max only in 1 age group.

Heck no we ain't putting our birthdays on our website. Embarassing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Rising Sons really coming to play in HOCO this year. They put their kids' birthdays on the website. Any MD/VA teams willing to do this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck no we ain't putting our birthdays on our website. Embarassing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Rising Sons really coming to play in HOCO this year. They put their kids' birthdays on the website. Any MD/VA teams willing to do this?

I'm all for it. Let's see who we are playing. The rest are a bunch of cheating [lacrosse]holes with the reclass and pre-first 15-16 year olds playing 8th grade...You know who I am looking at.

Any you can trust some of these teams putting correct birth dates....come on???

We should add addresses and SS #s as well. Heck, why not put some key financial data and passwords on trhe sites as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We should add addresses and SS #s as well. Heck, why not put some key financial data and passwords on trhe sites as well.

Youth Football makes every kid go to DMV and get a ID. and most leagues make them weight in for at least the first 4 games of the year. Once again lacrosse uppity white folk think they are above any rules or questioning of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck no we ain't putting our birthdays on our website. Embarassing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Rising Sons really coming to play in HOCO this year. They put their kids' birthdays on the website. Any MD/VA teams willing to do this?

I'm all for it. Let's see who we are playing. The rest are a bunch of cheating [lacrosse]holes with the reclass and pre-first 15-16 year olds playing 8th grade...You know who I am looking at.

I just went to the Rising Sons site and they put birthdate, address, phone number, height, weight, school. Not sure I'd want all that out there but birth month and year wouldn't bother me at all. Also I think that every coach should have the full birthdate verified by government issued id, (passport, state id etc) of the competing teams. Youth football does it so it's not that hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck no we ain't putting our birthdays on our website. Embarassing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Rising Sons really coming to play in HOCO this year. They put their kids' birthdays on the website. Any MD/VA teams willing to do this?

I'm all for it. Let's see who we are playing. The rest are a bunch of cheating [lacrosse]holes with the reclass and pre-first 15-16 year olds playing 8th grade...You know who I am looking at.

I just went to the Rising Sons site and they put birthdate, address, phone number, height, weight, school. Not sure I'd want all that out there but birth month and year wouldn't bother me at all. Also I think that every coach should have the full birthdate verified by government issued id, (passport, state id etc) of the competing teams. Youth football does it so it's not that hard.

Soccer has been doing the picture ID for players since the early 80's maybe even before. No reason that The spineless organization known as U.S. Lacrosse can't require this for participants.

US Lacrosse has nothing to do with this. Individual leagues must create and enforce their own policies.

So who decides what bracket teams play in? Does HoCo give a sanity check to what teams throw themselves out there for? I don't think teams playing too far up or down is good for anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse has nothing to do with this. Individual leagues must create and enforce their own policies.

bologna! US LAX is the governing body for lacrosse in the U.S.! If they truly cared they would figure out a way to enforce the issue.

You idiots. If a tournament or league is grade based, only insane parents are crying about ages. Get over yourselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You idiots. If a tournament or league is grade based, only insane parents are crying about ages. Get over yourselves.

stop cheating

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who decides what bracket teams play in? Does HoCo give a sanity check to what teams throw themselves out there for? I don't think teams playing too far up or down is good for anyone.

Agreed. There has to be some type of sanity check over what division the teams sign up for - it should be done in the interest of all the teams in that division and bracket and not just what a Club wants. Nobody wants to get beat 15-0 and nobody wants to win 15-0. If you want to play teams of lesser caliber (or challenge yourself in a bracket you are not ready for) then set up a play day with those parties so other teams are not affected.

If there really are 4 divisions I think it will be obvious to most teams where they belong. I just hope an objective party or body can police it to get some sanity to it.

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, VLC, Looney's Green, Rough Riders, MD Extreme

A2 - FCA White, Lax World, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black

B - ?

another 2020 guess

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Madlax Capital, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

Originally Posted by Anonymous

another 2020 guess

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Madlax Capital, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

There is no chance half of the A1 teams agree to not play in AA. Madlax Capital for one would never except that sitting down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

another 2020 guess

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Madlax Capital, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

FCA White & Looney's Green will be able to compete in the A1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

another 2020 guess

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Madlax Capital, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

FCA White & Looney's Green will be able to compete in the A1

Well this will not be the final Divisions they will make them a even number at the very least. So try again and make each one a even number.

Evenin number divisions and adding clubs

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force, Madlax Capital

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic, Lax Factory, Koopers

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse has nothing to do with this. Individual leagues must create and enforce their own policies.

bologna! US LAX is the governing body for lacrosse in the U.S.! If they truly cared they would figure out a way to enforce the issue.

Correct!! USL is a wimp of an organization. They should have come out hard on these youth grade based teams a few years ago. They still can but it will be harder. No leadership there..Just fluff and give me your money

Any guess for 2021 teams in AA, A and B?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse has nothing to do with this. Individual leagues must create and enforce their own policies.

bologna! US LAX is the governing body for lacrosse in the U.S.! If they truly cared they would figure out a way to enforce the issue.

Correct!! USL is a wimp of an organization. They should have come out hard on these youth grade based teams a few years ago. They still can but it will be harder. No leadership there..Just fluff and give me your money

US Soccer just changed their eligibility rules to match those of the international rules.
It is recommended that calendar years be used this season (2016) and required in 2017. (Previously, US Soceer used Aug1-July31 birthdates.) Since soccer is bigger at the college level than lacrosse, how will the coaches ever adapt for recruiting (sarcasm intended).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse has nothing to do with this. Individual leagues must create and enforce their own policies.

bologna! US LAX is the governing body for lacrosse in the U.S.! If they truly cared they would figure out a way to enforce the issue.

Correct!! USL is a wimp of an organization. They should have come out hard on these youth grade based teams a few years ago. They still can but it will be harder. No leadership there..Just fluff and give me your money

US Soccer just changed their eligibility rules to match those of the international rules.
It is recommended that calendar years be used this season (2016) and required in 2017. (Previously, US Soceer used Aug1-July31 birthdates.) Since soccer is bigger at the college level than lacrosse, how will the coaches ever adapt for recruiting (sarcasm intended).

US Lacrosse cannot force leagues or tournaments to go under their sanction. If a league wants to make their own rules, then that's exactly what they do. US Lacrosse is great for Rec leagues as there is plenty of insurance benefit and the age based divisions apply. If you're US Lacrosse how would you try to apply the policies to non-governed entities?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse has nothing to do with this. Individual leagues must create and enforce their own policies.

bologna! US LAX is the governing body for lacrosse in the U.S.! If they truly cared they would figure out a way to enforce the issue.

Correct!! USL is a wimp of an organization. They should have come out hard on these youth grade based teams a few years ago. They still can but it will be harder. No leadership there..Just fluff and give me your money

US Soccer just changed their eligibility rules to match those of the international rules.
It is recommended that calendar years be used this season (2016) and required in 2017. (Previously, US Soceer used Aug1-July31 birthdates.) Since soccer is bigger at the college level than lacrosse, how will the coaches ever adapt for recruiting (sarcasm intended).

US Lacrosse cannot force leagues or tournaments to go under their sanction. If a league wants to make their own rules, then that's exactly what they do. US Lacrosse is great for Rec leagues as there is plenty of insurance benefit and the age based divisions apply. If you're US Lacrosse how would you try to apply the policies to non-governed entities?

US Lacrosse needs to figure out how to do this. They get money from most club players and it's time they put it to work, rather than sitting on their thumbs. They are a spineless organization, and cower to club teams and leagues.

How can most other sports have the age / birthday covered but US Lax doesn't? They bury their heads in the sand and hope the issue goes away on its own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

another 2020 guess

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Madlax Capital, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

FCA White & Looney's Green will be able to compete in the A1

Well this will not be the final Divisions they will make them a even number at the very least. So try again and make each one a even number.

There are 45 teams in 2020. Each division should have at least 10 teams. Coaches should put their teams in where they will have competitive games. Not where they can will all their games. MDX, VLC, Looneys Green, FCA white shouldn't be in 3rd division. Some of the second division should play AA. Didn't 91 tout both of their teams as AA. MAdlax, Next Level, CB aren't AA? Weren't they in NYPLL? Thought NYPLL was the stronger league. So why would those teams move down in hoco?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse has nothing to do with this. Individual leagues must create and enforce their own policies.

bologna! US LAX is the governing body for lacrosse in the U.S.! If they truly cared they would figure out a way to enforce the issue.

Correct!! USL is a wimp of an organization. They should have come out hard on these youth grade based teams a few years ago. They still can but it will be harder. No leadership there..Just fluff and give me your money

US Soccer just changed their eligibility rules to match those of the international rules.
It is recommended that calendar years be used this season (2016) and required in 2017. (Previously, US Soceer used Aug1-July31 birthdates.) Since soccer is bigger at the college level than lacrosse, how will the coaches ever adapt for recruiting (sarcasm intended).

US Lacrosse cannot force leagues or tournaments to go under their sanction. If a league wants to make their own rules, then that's exactly what they do. US Lacrosse is great for Rec leagues as there is plenty of insurance benefit and the age based divisions apply. If you're US Lacrosse how would you try to apply the policies to non-governed entities?

US Lacrosse can make the age-requirement rules. Certify the tournaments that follow the age-rule ( and thus provide the insurance ). If the tourney is not sanctioned by US Lacrosse, than the tourney will have to provide their own insurance for the tourney for injury (by jacking up the price a little bit per team). Tourneys can decide what they want to do.

As for rec (MYLA), my younger (2025) son does not belong to US Lacrosse, so is not covered by their insurance.

AAU Basketball also changed their rules in 2014 (I think) to take out the grade based and make it age based for the younger ages, although they do have a grade and September birthday exemption for upper ages over 14).

US Lacrosse just has to take a leadership role and make the rule (versus guidelines). We can all complain after they do so but with each area having their own guidelines is not good for the sport. Playing 2020 in the spring and then saying I am reclassifying and playing 2021 is not good for the game.

US Lacrosse provides most of the insurance for tournaments and clubs. Not until a serious injury comes about, will US lacrosse's insurance company crack down. If a claim is denied because of illegal aged kids paying in wrong leagues, this will trigger the change. The only problem is a kid will need to get really hurt and millions will need to be awarded. UGH.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse provides most of the insurance for tournaments and clubs. Not until a serious injury comes about, will US lacrosse's insurance company crack down. If a claim is denied because of illegal aged kids paying in wrong leagues, this will trigger the change. The only problem is a kid will need to get really hurt and millions will need to be awarded. UGH.

The reality is that insurance is not a big deal and is readily available from non us lacrosse companies. It costs less than $10 per player for a year. There are no outs for the insurance company for not doing playing kids in their proper age group. The county or school wouldn't let you use the field if there were. Club directors could be personally liable if the did something too egregious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heck no we ain't putting our birthdays on our website. Embarassing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Rising Sons really coming to play in HOCO this year. They put their kids' birthdays on the website. Any MD/VA teams willing to do this?

Wow..Must be a mistake on their part. Name and birthday would be fine, but rest is too much info for public.

Quick glance at Birthdays only. 5 players wouldn't be allowed to play U14 on an age based team with USL guidelines. There are only 3 players born in the months of May,June, July,Aug 02(late Birthdays) out of 24 players.

This just confirms why people hold their child back. And this prefirst/holdback/reclass will just continue and get worst until USL makes some type of stand. It makes sense to hold your child back at a young age. If you have a late Birthday your chances of being on a AA team are slim to none.

Not picking on Rising sons as many teams are doing this..Crabs,FCA,etc,etc...Just we have a clear picture with these birthdays online. I suspect Crabs would be over the top of this!

2021 guess:
AA: Bethesda, Crabs, Greene Turtle, Hawks, Koopers

A: Bitmore, Team 91, Club Blue, FCA, Looneys, Madlax, Wolfpack, HoCo, Diamondbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 guess:
AA: Bethesda, Crabs, Greene Turtle, Hawks, Koopers

A: Bitmore, Team 91, Club Blue, FCA, Looneys, Madlax, Wolfpack, HoCo, Diamondbacks

I think they will have about 8-10 teams per division this year, so you'd better bump up Diamondbacks, FCA, 3D, 91 or some other clubs to AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse provides most of the insurance for tournaments and clubs. Not until a serious injury comes about, will US lacrosse's insurance company crack down. If a claim is denied because of illegal aged kids paying in wrong leagues, this will trigger the change. The only problem is a kid will need to get really hurt and millions will need to be awarded. UGH.

The reality is that insurance is not a big deal and is readily available from non us lacrosse companies. It costs less than $10 per player for a year. There are no outs for the insurance company for not doing playing kids in their proper age group. The county or school wouldn't let you use the field if there were. Club directors could be personally liable if the did something too egregious.

For Club tournaments, I have never been asked to provide a US Lacrosse number. They ask only for waivers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 guess:
AA: Bethesda, Crabs, Greene Turtle, Hawks, Koopers

A: Bitmore, Team 91, Club Blue, FCA, Looneys, Madlax, Wolfpack, HoCo, Diamondbacks

I think they will have about 8-10 teams per division this year, so you'd better bump up Diamondbacks, FCA, 3D, 91 or some other clubs to AA.

8-10 is too many teams in one bracket for a 6 week league. Just let them do their thing and deal with it. Why do all clubs think they can or should be able to demand being in a particular bracket or demand reasons for where they have been placed? Put down your wish list - which is exactly that - a wish list but ultimately the league is on charge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

another 2020 guess

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Madlax Capital, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

Move Next level and Thunder up to AA

Move Cannons and Rough riders down to A2.

Move VLC and up to A1.

Forgot Lax Factory, Cavs, and a few others....probably A2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 guess:
AA: Bethesda, Crabs, Greene Turtle, Hawks, Koopers

A: Bitmore, Team 91, Club Blue, FCA, Looneys, Madlax, Wolfpack, HoCo, Diamondbacks

FCA, 91 Looneys ---- I think will be up

Funny, When my kids were younger it was A, B and C. I guess AA makes parents feel better. LOL Why not change to Platinum, Diamond and Gold. Everyone is shiny and happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny, When my kids were younger it was A, B and C. I guess AA makes parents feel better. LOL Why not change to Platinum, Diamond and Gold. Everyone is shiny and happy.

Well it came from tournaments that had Rec style teams coming in. So they needed a way to let people know this bracket is the best of the best kinda thing. It looks bad but it does help a new travel coach to know what level he is putting his team into.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

another 2020 guess

Just a guess for 2020

AA - Crabs, Looney's, FCA Blue, Hawks, 91 Force

A1 - 91 Platinum, Club Blue, next Level, Thunder, Cannons, Madlax Capital, Rough Riders,

A2 - VLC, MD Extreme, Looney's Green, FCA White, Koopers, Rock, HOCO, Hawks Black, 3D Mid Atlantic

B - Performance, Madlax MD, Madlax VA, Lax World

Move Next level and Thunder up to AA

Move Cannons and Rough riders down to A2.

Move VLC and up to A1.

Forgot Lax Factory, Cavs, and a few others....probably A2

I think you have the sons and hawks to add in too

Say what you will. AA rolls through A so it is needed to keep the games from getting out of control.

Rough Riders could be in AA. No? Also think Hawks Black and Looney's green will be in A. No easy games in AA - that is for sure. Too bad their won't be some sort of age restriction - would make for a more competitive league across the board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny, When my kids were younger it was A, B and C. I guess AA makes parents feel better. LOL Why not change to Platinum, Diamond and Gold. Everyone is shiny and happy.

Well it came from tournaments that had Rec style teams coming in. So they needed a way to let people know this bracket is the best of the best kinda thing. It looks bad but it does help a new travel coach to know what level he is putting his team into.

Maybe AAA, AA and A so all the kids can say they play some A level. Kumbaya to all. lol

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rough Riders could be in AA. No? Also think Hawks Black and Looney's green will be in A. No easy games in AA - that is for sure. Too bad their won't be some sort of age restriction - would make for a more competitive league across the board.

Rough Riders are a big question mark, they lost quite a few good players this past off season. Not that indoor is a determining factor, but they won 1 and lost 1 to Looney Green (both games were very very close)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny, When my kids were younger it was A, B and C. I guess AA makes parents feel better. LOL Why not change to Platinum, Diamond and Gold. Everyone is shiny and happy.

Well it came from tournaments that had Rec style teams coming in. So they needed a way to let people know this bracket is the best of the best kinda thing. It looks bad but it does help a new travel coach to know what level he is putting his team into.

Maybe AAA, AA and A so all the kids can say they play some A level. Kumbaya to all. lol

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

When the millennials soon take over club lax it will become:

AAAAA
AAAA
AAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rough Riders could be in AA. No? Also think Hawks Black and Looney's green will be in A. No easy games in AA - that is for sure. Too bad their won't be some sort of age restriction - would make for a more competitive league across the board.

Would it make u feel better if we called 2020 u15. I bet all kids, even crabs would be eligible

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rough Riders could be in AA. No? Also think Hawks Black and Looney's green will be in A. No easy games in AA - that is for sure. Too bad their won't be some sort of age restriction - would make for a more competitive league across the board.

Would it make u feel better if we called 2020 u15. I bet all kids, even crabs would be eligible

most of the 2020 crabs were only eligible for the u19 national team, they all got cut.

referring to 2021

Madlax a couple years ago had a very strong 2021 team. Don't know what happened to them. I don't even think there is a Madlax 2021 team at all anymore!!

Odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Compared to the teams in 2020AA now they won't be able to compete

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Rising Sons playing in Hoco this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Losers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Losers

Stop with tha hate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Losers

Stop with tha hate.

Madlax hasn't even had their tryouts yet.

Rising Sons 2021 playing in Hoco this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Losers

Stop with tha hate.

Madlax hasn't even had their tryouts yet.

Exactly all these teams have been praticing and playing in indoor. Why does Madlax do their tryouts so late?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Rising Sons playing in Hoco this year?

Yes their 2020's. They were asked to come down. Some clubs not happy as they will be bumped to A division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Rising Sons playing in Hoco this year?

Yes their 2020's. They were asked to come down. Some clubs not happy as they will be bumped to A division

Why would teams get bumped from AA if they wanted the challenge ? It was oh 5-6 on the original list for 2020 aa

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be good to see those teams in AA - Roughriders too.
How can Madlax not have a AA......seems odd.

Neither are AA at 2020

They were 2 and 5 in NPYLL last season, add in FCA, Looney's, and Rising Sons, it does not get better for them.

Rising Sons playing in Hoco this year?

Yes their 2020's. They were asked to come down. Some clubs not happy as they will be bumped to A division

Why would teams get bumped from AA if they wanted the challenge ? It was oh 5-6 on the original list for 2020 aa

Just because a team wants a challenge does not mean they get to play wherever they want. The other teams that belong in a bracket/division deserve to play the top teams.

Are the teams in 2020 AA set? Who wanted to be in AA and is getting bumped to A?

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

I don't think anything has been set yet. Just guessing here. You can only have so many teams in a division and I think it makes sense to try and match up teams according to their projected performance. The lopsided victory sucks for both sides and we all lose in a league like that. I hope teams do not get to place themselves and an impartial party handles this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think anything has been set yet. Just guessing here. You can only have so many teams in a division and I think it makes sense to try and match up teams according to their projected performance. The lopsided victory sucks for both sides and we all lose in a league like that. I hope teams do not get to place themselves and an impartial party handles this.

Thanks Rory. You know the game so well. You wife:)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

Given fall records with their new teams, think the middle grouping of Hawks, FCA, 91 and Rising Sons may not hold for the projection but it will be fun to see. Crabs, Looneys, FCA agree on the number of holdbacks. Hawks and 91, pretty sure they only have 1 or 2. Not sure about Rising Sons. Lucky for RM that HoCo mgmt supports holdbacks and would never consider putting an age restriction in. All of the above teams have flip flopped in victories or had one point overtime games with one another so it should be a lot of fun. Let's hope HoCo maintains the competitive level of this group and does not try to fit other teams in without a proven record. RM given his personal r-ships would attempt to block any attempts by Crush to join the group as he has done with local teams in his tournaments. Express would not be a real worry for him for this group. They would spilt W-L .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

The only reason Crabs could go 5-0 is their 2020 team is very very close to a 2019 team. They have more holdbacks than any other 2020 team and they do have two double holdbacks on their 2020 roster, making these 2 players close to 16 by this summer.

hoco is 6 game season plus playoff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hoco is 6 game season plus playoff

If there is not another comparable team, make it five games and a playoff. These teams might love to end the spring league a bit early to practice more for summer or let them have a round robin play day to end the spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

As to the point above about not running down the middle and shooting, two of these teams need to bring more discipline to their game if they hope to stay top 6 in the region. In particular, defenders and goalies running down the field trying to score when they have open offensive players. Be different story if the "play" worked but more often then not, selfish play like this costs the team and they are old enough that the coaches need to shut down this kind of play-it will gets worse in high school if not controlled now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

The only reason Crabs could go 5-0 is their 2020 team is very very close to a 2019 team. They have more holdbacks than any other 2020 team and they do have two double holdbacks on their 2020 roster, making these 2 players close to 16 by this summer.

That is why the others generally discount Crabs - they can claim to be the Champion of whatever they win but others know their story and really do not care. It is not talent, it is manipulating the system for their own benefit.

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

This ^^^^^^^^^^ is understood by all of The MD Lax Community.

Although the Crabs Program has top to bottom talent at most grades without the holdbacks. There "on age" kids sit on the bench or spot play while the older kids take all the playing time. Crabs "on age" parents should rethink wearing a Crabs Lid for earned/deserving playing time elsewhere. Especially 7th/8th/9th grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

As to the point above about not running down the middle and shooting, two of these teams need to bring more discipline to their game if they hope to stay top 6 in the region. In particular, defenders and goalies running down the field trying to score when they have open offensive players. Be different story if the "play" worked but more often then not, selfish play like this costs the team and they are old enough that the coaches need to shut down this kind of play-it will gets worse in high school if not controlled now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

League record 18-12? Whoever wrote this could have benefited from being held back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

The only reason Crabs could go 5-0 is their 2020 team is very very close to a 2019 team. They have more holdbacks than any other 2020 team and they do have two double holdbacks on their 2020 roster, making these 2 players close to 16 by this summer.

That is why the others generally discount Crabs - they can claim to be the Champion of whatever they win but others know their story and really do not care. It is not talent, it is manipulating the system for their own benefit.

Yep...this. They can go 5-0 but no one will care since we know their game. Can't wait to see how ridiculous these 15-16 year olds look playing against real 8th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

As to the point above about not running down the middle and shooting, two of these teams need to bring more discipline to their game if they hope to stay top 6 in the region. In particular, defenders and goalies running down the field trying to score when they have open offensive players. Be different story if the "play" worked but more often then not, selfish play like this costs the team and they are old enough that the coaches need to shut down this kind of play-it will gets worse in high school if not controlled now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

League record 18-12? Whoever wrote this could have benefited from being held back

Ha...funny. When I looked at this something did not seem right but I did not do the math.

Maybe Crabs are just that good! Not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rising Sons are an " AA" team, if they are placed elsewhere it is strictly a political thing either on their part or the league.

Yes, they belong there - think the conversation was about the teams that want to play the highest level along with them but are not ready . crabs, hawks, 91 force, FCA white, Looneys and rising sons are of a different level than the other 2020 teams and all have had close challenging games with one another and belong in their own division. Other teams are afraid of getting bumped from that division now that rising sons is coming-in reality they were never playing in that group and should not be.

If that holds up it will be an incredible 6 team league. Would love to see Crush and LI X pop in for a few "non-conference" games. Wouldnt be surprised to see a few of the known early recruiting schools on the sidelines of these games...

Define elite. You need 5-7 hold backs to qualify. The days of running thru the middle are over. If it's the six they are talking about then this is how it goes in order.
Crabs 5-0
Looneys 3-2
Hawks 3-2
Fca blue 3-2
Rising sons 2-3
91 2-3

FCA parent thinking they will beat Looney's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

The county allows the Mid Maryland football league to play on all the same fields as Hoco lax with unlimited weight players at the 8th grade level along with 8th grade holdbacks and 9th grade OBLs. There are 8th grade football players that are close to 300 lbs playing against 120 lb kids. The county has yet to ban certain players or teams in football because they pose an extra risk of a lawsuit or compromise player safety. So my guess is you won't see it in lacrosse either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

The county allows the Mid Maryland football league to play on all the same fields as Hoco lax with unlimited weight players at the 8th grade level along with 8th grade holdbacks and 9th grade OBLs. There are 8th grade football players that are close to 300 lbs playing against 120 lb kids. The county has yet to ban certain players or teams in football because they pose an extra risk of a lawsuit or compromise player safety. So my guess is you won't see it in lacrosse either.

Mid-Maryland football also requires state issued ID cards and that the coaches know for sure how old the players are. I'd be fine with that.

Hawks Dads, Looneys shut you out at young guns 6-0 then beat you 15-3 in the fall but somehow you will beat them in the Spring? Let me guess, even though you lost by 12 you won all the face-offs. Stop it Dad, you all got owned

But fca owns you. Fca over Looneys again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But fca owns you. Fca over Looneys again

Please don't yellow FCA Blue is bragging about beating Looney's green.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But fca owns you. Fca over Looneys again

. FCA doesn't own crap. You are pounding your chest about an AA team with quite a few holdback so beating Looney's Green, which is an on age A team. Wait until this spring when you get your butts kicked by a lot of AA teams in the outdoor game, where it really counts. What a pathetic organization.

FCA National Team got whooped 11-1 by Rising Sons at Dicks in FL. FCA is an A team certainly not a AA.

Looneys parents are always quick the jump down people's throats

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA National Team got whooped 11-1 by Rising Sons at Dicks in FL. FCA is an A team certainly not a AA.

Don't pound your chest that team only had 3 players from marylands team lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents are always quick the jump down people's throats

. Why would you say that, Fca was the ones who made the statement "fca owns you beats Looney's again". Such bs out of your organization, feel you can say anything you want but when you get deserved pushback you revert to name calling and have a hissy fit. Did coach Kelly teach everyone how to act?

Now you know that quote is not from a Sons parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA National Team got whooped 11-1 by Rising Sons at Dicks in FL. FCA is an A team certainly not a AA.

Don't pound your chest that team only had 3 players from marylands team lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

We can only hope there are some adults over in the Howard County Recreation Department or Executive office. The County is disgraceful in their going grade base league when every other team/league in Howard County is age base. They will go down as one of the main reasons that youth Lacrosse is a disgrace now in Maryland. Wonder who was the tool who facilitated all this grade base league in County.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents are always quick the jump down people's throats

. Why would you say that, Fca was the ones who made the statement "fca owns you beats Looney's again". Such bs out of your organization, feel you can say anything you want but when you get deserved pushback you revert to name calling and have a hissy fit. Did coach Kelly teach everyone how to act?

Where was the name calling?
You really think the looneys coach is better??LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

We can only hope there are some adults over in the Howard County Recreation Department or Executive office. The County is disgraceful in their going grade base league when every other team/league in Howard County is age base. They will go down as one of the main reasons that youth Lacrosse is a disgrace now in Maryland. Wonder who was the tool who facilitated all this grade base league in County.

Some HoCo management personally believe in holdbacks and have relationships with the clubs who push it. Their kids are not the receiving end. They have the capability now with everyone in their league to affect change and they have the structure already in place to do age verification and cards as they do for football but they won't. The County Executive is not aware of any issue, or involved with, the lacrosse league.

Go watch a class act like manning. Maybe you can teach yourself or your son something. Besides. Fca owns Looneys in outdoor. It will continue this year. Do the math the last poster was correct. Rising sons and 91 will be lucky to win one game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go watch a class act like manning. Maybe you can teach yourself or your son something. Besides. Fca owns Looneys in outdoor. It will continue this year. Do the math the last poster was correct. Rising sons and 91 will be lucky to win one game.

You clearly have not paid attention to your son's FCA Blue outdoor record against the above teams. You may do better this year given the number of kids you brought down from 2019, second only to Crabs in the number of older kids. I am sure your Christian based organization does not condone your being an a** on line. FCA will not come near Looneys this spring, they have lost several times to 91, and have consistently lost to Crabs and Hawks. Be happy your SON is in a competitive group where close games are going to be the norm and stop trying to stir things up. The boys all get along and do not care about all the nonsense you spout -just let them play.

Speaking of FCA - I saw them play at goals on Sunday. I guess they are trying to compete with Crabs and Looneys for the holdback crown. Sad how this game is getting ruined by teams that can't compete without gaming the system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of FCA - I saw them play at goals on Sunday. I guess they are trying to compete with Crabs and Looneys for the holdback crown. Sad how this game is getting ruined by teams that can't compete without gaming the system.

FCA is second only to Crabs with number of holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of FCA - I saw them play at goals on Sunday. I guess they are trying to compete with Crabs and Looneys for the holdback crown. Sad how this game is getting ruined by teams that can't compete without gaming the system.

FCA is second only to Crabs with number of holdbacks

But they are both "winners". What a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of FCA - I saw them play at goals on Sunday. I guess they are trying to compete with Crabs and Looneys for the holdback crown. Sad how this game is getting ruined by teams that can't compete without gaming the system.

FCA is second only to Crabs with number of holdbacks

But they are both "winners". What a joke.

No they are not winners. Maybe in your mind they are but what they are---CHEATERS, plain and simple. They play and game the system well beyond the limits of any other club in the Md/DC/Va area. And the sad part, they know everyone knows what they are doing but they could care less, because they believe they are winners, just like your feeble mind believes. When others play them and lose they do not consider it a loss, mainly because of who they just played, Crabs or Fca. This year Crabs is mostly holdbacks with two double holdbacks, Fca has many holdbacks, they just brought down players from their 2019 team from last year. So keep believing you are a winner, but you are far from it, you are not even a decent individual.

I think you missed the quotes around winners LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of FCA - I saw them play at goals on Sunday. I guess they are trying to compete with Crabs and Looneys for the holdback crown. Sad how this game is getting ruined by teams that can't compete without gaming the system.

FCA is second only to Crabs with number of holdbacks

But they are both "winners". What a joke.

No they are not winners. Maybe in your mind they are but what they are---CHEATERS, plain and simple. They play and game the system well beyond the limits of any other club in the Md/DC/Va area. And the sad part, they know everyone knows what they are doing but they could care less, because they believe they are winners, just like your feeble mind believes. When others play them and lose they do not consider it a loss, mainly because of who they just played, Crabs or Fca. This year Crabs is mostly holdbacks with two double holdbacks, Fca has many holdbacks, they just brought down players from their 2019 team from last year. So keep believing you are a winner, but you are far from it, you are not even a decent individual.

You totally missed the sarcasm because you are so wound up. But thanks for your whole rant. Could not agree more. Hence, winners was in ". " and " what a joke" indicates the rest of us know they are a joke. Wow.

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Again, ill-informed. Goalie not a hold back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

We can only hope there are some adults over in the Howard County Recreation Department or Executive office. The County is disgraceful in their going grade base league when every other team/league in Howard County is age base. They will go down as one of the main reasons that youth Lacrosse is a disgrace now in Maryland. Wonder who was the tool who facilitated all this grade base league in County.

Some HoCo management personally believe in holdbacks and have relationships with the clubs who push it. Their kids are not the receiving end. They have the capability now with everyone in their league to affect change and they have the structure already in place to do age verification and cards as they do for football but they won't. The County Executive is not aware of any issue, or involved with, the lacrosse league.

Maybe some Howard County residents should write the County Executive and let him know what a mockery youth lacrosse has become. And Howard County shares a large portion of the blame.
Maybe the County would like the reputation of enabling only select kids to get an advantage in their youth sports.

Laughable defense of the FCA players. Not hard to distinguish a 13 year old from a 15 year old. Not to mention the numerous player who were wearing high school helmets.

FCA not a club that requires players to buy swag (helmets, gloves, practice unis, shooting shirts, bags, & sweats) in order to play. yes there are plenty of high school helmets. boys that have brothers playing or who have played for that high school, others who attend schools with middle school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

We can only hope there are some adults over in the Howard County Recreation Department or Executive office. The County is disgraceful in their going grade base league when every other team/league in Howard County is age base. They will go down as one of the main reasons that youth Lacrosse is a disgrace now in Maryland. Wonder who was the tool who facilitated all this grade base league in County.

Some HoCo management personally believe in holdbacks and have relationships with the clubs who push it. Their kids are not the receiving end. They have the capability now with everyone in their league to affect change and they have the structure already in place to do age verification and cards as they do for football but they won't. The County Executive is not aware of any issue, or involved with, the lacrosse league.

Maybe some Howard County residents should write the County Executive and let him know what a mockery youth lacrosse has become. And Howard County shares a large portion of the blame.
Maybe the County would like the reputation of enabling only select kids to get an advantage in their youth sports.

Howard County does not have barriers to participate in their lacrosse programs-they encourage participation to the diverse population they serve . Equipment is supplied to any player who can not afford it or does not want to buy it. Everyone is guaranteed a spot on a team based on playing ability. The cost is substantially less than any club in the area and the non club is even less. There are no holdbacks to gain an advantage because the hcpss does not allow holding back without a valid academic reason and the majority of players are hcpss students because they are residents. HOCo teams are placed in their proper league brackets with no favoritism because they know they do not share the same training advantages as the higher level clubs but you do not hear them whining. They have no desire to train all year round at all hours and anyone who does not like what the county offers or wants a higher level of training etc. pursue other clubs. The majority of Howard County residents are quite happy and realistic about what they are offered and have no reason to write the County Executive. It is the outsiders and private school attendees who perceive themselves as the "Lacrosse gurus" that are causing issues. And reality is they are the ones that origianlly broke the system and started manipulating the rules to their favor. If you would like to write or call the County Executive do it yourself as the HoCo community is not complaining about the hand they have been dealt by the elite Clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs roster and every other team's roster with birthdates will be public before the start of the season - guaranteed. The County Executive is aware of the issue. Ultimately it is the county's responsibility to ensure the safety of the children playing in this league. A signed waiver by a parent won't save the county from a lawsuit when some 16 year old crab holdback plows over a 13 year old.

We can only hope there are some adults over in the Howard County Recreation Department or Executive office. The County is disgraceful in their going grade base league when every other team/league in Howard County is age base. They will go down as one of the main reasons that youth Lacrosse is a disgrace now in Maryland. Wonder who was the tool who facilitated all this grade base league in County.

There is no reason to post DOBs for a grade based league by HoCo and the Executive is not going to get involved with fixing a system that the others broke. You all know what youth lacrosse is about and willingly let your kids play. I am sure the county has consulted with their legal department on this issue and since there are no age restrictions being noted as part of the rules, , and they are not claiming to monitor age, nor is it gross negligence given it is standard practice, there is no issue that you can keep threatening them with. Call the County Executive if you feel there is a valid issue that you do not believe is being addressed. You do not have to be a county resident to pick up a phone or write an email.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

Starting school late made them 2020, they should be 2019. They aren't natural 2020 graduation year, they are manipulated 2020's. So much for integrity and morals from the Christian club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

Starting school late made them 2020, they should be 2019. They aren't natural 2020 graduation year, they are manipulated 2020's. So much for integrity and morals from the Christian club.

Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

Starting school late made them 2020, they should be 2019. They aren't natural 2020 graduation year, they are manipulated 2020's. So much for integrity and morals from the Christian club.

Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue.

Well under the rules you are correct but the correct thing for the kid who started a year late would be to play youth sports on the team with his age group. He will have the advantage the second he steps on the high school field. No need to use it the 5 years before you start your freshman year. At a sophomores age.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

Starting school late made them 2020, they should be 2019. They aren't natural 2020 graduation year, they are manipulated 2020's. So much for integrity and morals from the Christian club.

Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue.

Prefirst is a private school phenomena and any child who did a prefirst is at an advantage over legitimate grade players. It is an extra year of school regardless of how justified and when it occurred. And lets admit it, in Baltimore elite private school circles especially with legacy lacrosse families, this is exactly why pre first is done in addition to being a revenue source for the schools. The great majority of the country does not have this prefirst nonsense and whether you knew it or not, it was created to give private school kids an advantage in athletics and academics. There is no valid, historical educational purpose for it. Own it and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

According to who? Where is that a rule? You clearly have a huge issue with it for some reason but a summer birthday or a pre-first year does not make a 2020 a 2019. Tell your son's coach not to take kids born before 9/1 and to not play teams that have players born before 9/1/ Take a stand!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

Starting school late made them 2020, they should be 2019. They aren't natural 2020 graduation year, they are manipulated 2020's. So much for integrity and morals from the Christian club.

Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue.

Go over to Crabs and see how many 8th grade repeaters are on their roster. This is the way they work the system and somehow they convenience the parents that this is best for their son. The two double holdbacks on their 2020 did the kindergarten for whatever reason, probably not for athletics, but you never know, but definitely repeated 8th grade for a hopeful athletic advantage. They work and game the system more than anyone, but it appears FCA may be a close second.

The Loonies/FCA box semi-final was just sad to watch. I am not a big fan of the Loonies - but older kids beating up on younger kids is just not right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Loonies/FCA box semi-final was just sad to watch. I am not a big fan of the Loonies - but older kids beating up on younger kids is just not right.

Looneys Green is not the same skill level regardless of age. They did not belong in that semi as they were one of the bottom half teams that simply advanced due to ease of schedule which is an inherent flaw in combining A with AA in a league. Other teams were more skilled that did not advance including RR who beat Looneys Green the week before and others they lost to or who they never played who were valid AA. Unfortunate for the kids on green but their coach could have acknowledged that they did not belong playing AA teams in the semis to avoid the embarrassment but he did not. This time age had nothing to do with it. They are a single A who chose to play double A team and lost. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

According to who? Where is that a rule? You clearly have a huge issue with it for some reason but a summer birthday or a pre-first year does not make a 2020 a 2019. Tell your son's coach not to take kids born before 9/1 and to not play teams that have players born before 9/1/ Take a stand!

it absolutely does, and kid born prior to September 1, 2001 should be a 2019. The parents chose to keep the child back a year. Staying back for school is one thing, but the kids should play on age level by birth not the grade level their parents want them at. You and other parents should stop playing older kids against younger kids, because a child can't handle their academics and gets left back doesn't mean they should then play against kids of his new grade level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Loonies/FCA box semi-final was just sad to watch. I am not a big fan of the Loonies - but older kids beating up on younger kids is just not right.

Looneys Green is not the same skill level regardless of age. They did not belong in that semi as they were one of the bottom half teams that simply advanced due to ease of schedule which is an inherent flaw in combining A with AA in a league. Other teams were more skilled that did not advance including RR who beat Looneys Green the week before and others they lost to or who they never played who were valid AA. Unfortunate for the kids on green but their coach could have acknowledged that they did not belong playing AA teams in the semis to avoid the embarrassment but he did not. This time age had nothing to do with it. They are a single A who chose to play double A team and lost. Simple as that.

Looney's Green went 1 and 1 against RR in the box league, first game Green won by a goal and the second game RR won by 2, neither team dominated...both good games. The only team you could say was probably better than green who finished below them was 91.

What coach would tell their team they aren't good enough to play AA team? A good coach uses any loss as a teaching moment.

As far as the league is concerned, there were 14 teams in it. 10 of the 14 teams were "A", only four were true AA teams (Hawks, Looney Orange, FCA Blue, 91).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Loonies/FCA box semi-final was just sad to watch. I am not a big fan of the Loonies - but older kids beating up on younger kids is just not right.

Looneys Green is not the same skill level regardless of age. They did not belong in that semi as they were one of the bottom half teams that simply advanced due to ease of schedule which is an inherent flaw in combining A with AA in a league. Other teams were more skilled that did not advance including RR who beat Looneys Green the week before and others they lost to or who they never played who were valid AA. Unfortunate for the kids on green but their coach could have acknowledged that they did not belong playing AA teams in the semis to avoid the embarrassment but he did not. This time age had nothing to do with it. They are a single A who chose to play double A team and lost. Simple as that.

Looney's Green went 1 and 1 against RR in the box league, first game Green won by a goal and the second game RR won by 2, neither team dominated...both good games. The only team you could say was probably better than green who finished below them was 91.

What coach would tell their team they aren't good enough to play AA team? A good coach uses any loss as a teaching moment.

As far as the league is concerned, there were 14 teams in it. 10 of the 14 teams were "A", only four were true AA teams (Hawks, Looney Orange, FCA Blue, 91).

If a teachable moment, they should use it as one. You have people complaining about FCA beating green and how sad it was and trying to bring age into it -most likely a Looneys parent because 2020 were only ones there to see it. FCA could not have been expected to let the other team win. As to 91, they probably should have been in the semis but heard they chose to play Looneys Orange twice instead of playing green and had great competitive games with all the AAs. Their choice to ask for the most competitive games. Different strokes for different folks but none of this warrants picking on FCA for beating a single A green in the semis on their way to championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

According to who? Where is that a rule? You clearly have a huge issue with it for some reason but a summer birthday or a pre-first year does not make a 2020 a 2019. Tell your son's coach not to take kids born before 9/1 and to not play teams that have players born before 9/1/ Take a stand!

it absolutely does, and kid born prior to September 1, 2001 should be a 2019. The parents chose to keep the child back a year. Staying back for school is one thing, but the kids should play on age level by birth not the grade level their parents want them at. You and other parents should stop playing older kids against younger kids, because a child can't handle their academics and gets left back doesn't mean they should then play against kids of his new grade level.

My son plays and has a post 9/1 birthday. I have never been concerned about the age of his teammates or his opponents. There is no rule and no cutoff date. If you feel so strongly about it, do something. Complaining about it anonymously on a message board is a waste of your time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Loonies/FCA box semi-final was just sad to watch. I am not a big fan of the Loonies - but older kids beating up on younger kids is just not right.

Why not a fan of Looney's? Just curious.

So if a kid has an july/aug 2001 birthday and is in 8th grade he shouldn't play this spring because you think he is a 2019. that makes a lot of sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

Starting school late made them 2020, they should be 2019. They aren't natural 2020 graduation year, they are manipulated 2020's. So much for integrity and morals from the Christian club.

Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue.

Prefirst is a private school phenomena and any child who did a prefirst is at an advantage over legitimate grade players. It is an extra year of school regardless of how justified and when it occurred. And lets admit it, in Baltimore elite private school circles especially with legacy lacrosse families, this is exactly why pre first is done in addition to being a revenue source for the schools. The great majority of the country does not have this prefirst nonsense and whether you knew it or not, it was created to give private school kids an advantage in athletics and academics. There is no valid, historical educational purpose for it. Own it and move on.

Perhaps you disadvantaged your child by not letting him attend a private school. If it means that much to you, buck up and send your son to Calvert Hall or Loyola

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a kid has an july/aug 2001 birthday and is in 8th grade he shouldn't play this spring because you think he is a 2019. that makes a lot of sense

why didn't he start school on time?

"Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue."

what is the difference between a child born 7/2001 who stayed back in kindergarten and a child born 7/2001 who stayed back in 8th grade? All things being equal with the kids athletically, there is no difference. Prefirst is a private school Maryland thing that all you think is fine since it is all you know! Yes! manipulated would be the correct term!

Perhaps you disadvantaged your child by not letting him attend a private school. If it means that much to you, buck up and send your son to Calvert Hall or Loyola[/quote]

You miss the point completely but not surprising. Private also does not equate to the best education and many more believe that capable kids do not need the private school to be successful in academics, athletics or life. Again get over yourself and move on. You give your kids an advantage and then try to defend it-not fooling anyone but do not pretend it does not exist. You make your choices about what you teach your kid, I will worry about mine. .

What exactly does Calvert Hall or Loyola offer that the top public schools in the state don't? Certainly not academics! Public schools in Howard and Hatford counties are far superior for the good student than any of these private schools.

Bitmore will beat all the teams in AA. Yeah, we are that good!

Always nice to see Loonies lose - especially back to back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What exactly does Calvert Hall or Loyola offer that the top public schools in the state don't? Certainly not academics! Public schools in Howard and Hatford counties are far superior for the good student than any of these private schools.

Far superior? You need to do much more research on secondary education, even in Howard and Harford counties. Even for the good student.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Always nice to see Loonies lose - especially back to back.

Why the hate and negative comments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bitmore will beat all the teams in AA. Yeah, we are that good!

That jokes a little early It's not close enough to April 1st yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What exactly does Calvert Hall or Loyola offer that the top public schools in the state don't? Certainly not academics! Public schools in Howard and Hatford counties are far superior for the good student than any of these private schools.

Far superior? You need to do much more research on secondary education, even in Howard and Harford counties. Even for the good student.

I'll have what he is smoking. Howard and Harford counties better than any of these private schools?? Sheesh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What exactly does Calvert Hall or Loyola offer that the top public schools in the state don't? Certainly not academics! Public schools in Howard and Hatford counties are far superior for the good student than any of these private schools.

Far superior? You need to do much more research on secondary education, even in Howard and Harford counties. Even for the good student.

I'll have what he is smoking. Howard and Harford counties better than any of these private schools?? Sheesh

Do your research. Average scores are not better in public but that is because of the more diverse population. If you look at high scores, course curricula offerings etc. , public schools are actually better and most educational articles support this. Often the intangibles are better at private but just because you pay more, does not mean the education is better.

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

. Totally totally incorrect. Have no idea where you get your facts from, but they are very flawed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

Private schools offer a safe learning environment when the available public school is unsafe.

Private schools provide personal attention to individual students that would not be possible in overcrowded public schools.

Both private and public schools have can good to excellent students.

However, many public schools have horrible students that do not want to be there and cause problems for the kids that do want to be there to learn and contribute. The zone you live in dictates number of students that fall into this category.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

Private schools offer a safe learning environment when the available public school is unsafe.

Private schools provide personal attention to individual students that would not be possible in overcrowded public schools.

Both private and public schools have can good to excellent students.

However, many public schools have horrible students that do not want to be there and cause problems for the kids that do want to be there to learn and contribute. The zone you live in dictates number of students that fall into this category.

And when you remove your child from the "bad" kids they have no idea what the real world is like and what real problems are. This is why there is a disconnect with the upper class and the others in this country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

Private schools offer a safe learning environment when the available public school is unsafe.

Private schools provide personal attention to individual students that would not be possible in overcrowded public schools.

Both private and public schools have can good to excellent students.

However, many public schools have horrible students that do not want to be there and cause problems for the kids that do want to be there to learn and contribute. The zone you live in dictates number of students that fall into this category.

Agree on the above. For good students who want to learn, public schools have programs and services not available in private school. Yes, the classes are bigger and there is not as much hand holding, but for a good student this is not a bad thing and more reflective of real life.

It is a family choice and believe it or not there are kids who have been offered significant discounts or full tuition to private school to play lacrosse and/or football and choose to remain in their public school for valid reason. Private is not the best or only choice and for some families supporting the public school systems, exposure and immersion in an environment only a large public school can offer in neighborhood school, not sitting on buses for an hour a day, convenience, access to certain unique curricula, not vying for playing time are all valid reasons. Families pay premiums for homes in these counties in terms of the base prices of the house itself and significant taxes that help fund the public schools-why double spend when it is not necessary . The judgment they receive from team mates and families who are private school attendees is a poor reflection on some of those families and further supports why some don't want their kids in that environment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

Private schools offer a safe learning environment when the available public school is unsafe.

Private schools provide personal attention to individual students that would not be possible in overcrowded public schools.

Both private and public schools have can good to excellent students.

However, many public schools have horrible students that do not want to be there and cause problems for the kids that do want to be there to learn and contribute. The zone you live in dictates number of students that fall into this category.

Or maybe they grow up not making judgment calls about why other students might be "horrible" and learn a bit about real life, socioeconomic differences and empathy while also getting an excellent education.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

. Totally totally incorrect. Have no idea where you get your facts from, but they are very flawed.

Agree with the original poster. We spent months comparing the pluses and negatives of public vs private for our son who was recruited and invited to attend private schools because of his lacrosse talent. When you remove the outliers on a normal curve, standardized test scores are virtually identical so for a motivated student, the fallacy of private being a better education is totally unsupported. A good student does not need smaller classes. Good students in public schools are placed in classes with other exceptional students so the free flow of ideas and creativity is similar in both a public and private environment. the programs for specialized study outside of core courses are significantly greater at public schools as they have the scale and resources to offer those opportunities and curriculum. Just look at the course offerings for the private schools versus the public schools-there is a huge difference and this is important for a student who wants to investigate or experience specific areas of study while still in high school. Private schools are great and have many wonderful virtues but broadness of curricula offerings is an area where public schools do excel.

True but your kids have to be around like minded students to succeed. Many of the knuckleheads are in the gym classes, lunch room or on misc sports teams if they can keep their grades up. My son is public school AP and honors classes. He is in with the knuckleheads in Band, gym and his off lacrosse season sports. It is a full education with out the fees. I already pay almost $9000 a year in property taxes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True but your kids have to be around like minded students to succeed. Many of the knuckleheads are in the gym classes, lunch room or on misc sports teams if they can keep their grades up. My son is public school AP and honors classes. He is in with the knuckleheads in Band, gym and his off lacrosse season sports. It is a full education with out the fees. I already pay almost $9000 a year in property taxes.

I agree and guess what everyone, those knuckleheads are everywhere you go your whole life. Our kids are shielded from everything bad and not like them. Then they become adults and cant handle things not like them or bad.

Are there any magnet programs in private schools? My son is going into high school already completing algebra 1 and geometry. Speaking with a few of the private schools mentioned earlier they won't have a math class for him in a couple years and he will have to go to a community college for math classes his senior year. Public schools meet that need without having to send the kids elsewhere.

Based strictly on academics public schools are better and have more to offer the AP student than any of the private schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any magnet programs in private schools? My son is going into high school already completing algebra 1 and geometry. Speaking with a few of the private schools mentioned earlier they won't have a math class for him in a couple years and he will have to go to a community college for math classes his senior year. Public schools meet that need without having to send the kids elsewhere.

Based strictly on academics public schools are better and have more to offer the AP student than any of the private schools.

That is just a minor thing to overcome. At the private school my son will be around prefect little angles and I will not have to pay attention to anything he does because all the kids at the private school are great kids with no issues. And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any magnet programs in private schools? My son is going into high school already completing algebra 1 and geometry. Speaking with a few of the private schools mentioned earlier they won't have a math class for him in a couple years and he will have to go to a community college for math classes his senior year. Public schools meet that need without having to send the kids elsewhere.

Based strictly on academics public schools are better and have more to offer the AP student than any of the private schools.

You have been talking to the wrong people. The schools my son and daughter attend offer up to Calculus II, and both of them finished Middle school having completed Algebra I and Geometry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any magnet programs in private schools? My son is going into high school already completing algebra 1 and geometry. Speaking with a few of the private schools mentioned earlier they won't have a math class for him in a couple years and he will have to go to a community college for math classes his senior year. Public schools meet that need without having to send the kids elsewhere.

Based strictly on academics public schools are better and have more to offer the AP student than any of the private schools.

You have been talking to the wrong people. The schools my son and daughter attend offer up to Calculus II, and both of them finished Middle school having completed Algebra I and Geometry.

Not sure about the poster above but we have spoken to many of the private schools on our journey and there are definitely more AP course offerings in public schools in Harford and Howard. Not that there are not AP courses in privates-there are just not as many choices. In addition, outside of the core courses which both will have in order to graduate students, there are numerous magnet programs offered at most public high schools such as Engineering, Medical, Finance, Biomedical, Computer Science for the more advanced students. We are not just talking about a finance class or an engineering class here and there but a four year curriculum offered for advanced students. Both private and public have the high school requirements of geometry, algebra, calculus etc but it is the offerings outside of this that differentiate public in terms of curriculum. Foreign language offerings are more broad simply due to economies of scale with Latin, Chinese, Italian, German, ASL and others in addition to the usual Spanish and French. Most are generally offered through the AP level in addition to 1 & 2. It is not a criticism of private - they just do not have the scale and the resources to offer many of these things. They can touch on many of these things but they can not go into depth with their offerings. Just go online and compare the high school course catalogs for both with the class choices of the privates - many of us have spent time doing this and you will come to the same conclusion. For a child that needs a smaller class or specialized attention to graduate and soar, the private school small class size is probably ideal as well as, other pros such as more hand holding for college acceptance process, food service, alumni contributions etc. but in terms of curriculum, public schools do excel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any magnet programs in private schools? My son is going into high school already completing algebra 1 and geometry. Speaking with a few of the private schools mentioned earlier they won't have a math class for him in a couple years and he will have to go to a community college for math classes his senior year. Public schools meet that need without having to send the kids elsewhere.

Based strictly on academics public schools are better and have more to offer the AP student than any of the private schools.

You have been talking to the wrong people. The schools my son and daughter attend offer up to Calculus II, and both of them finished Middle school having completed Algebra I and Geometry.

That math progression is very much the norm for both public and private school students and it is great that you go up to Calculus II which would be considered a standard high school offering for advanced students. But the majority of private high schools do not offer anything outside of the standard Algebra, Geometry, Algebra II, Pre Calculus, Stats, Calculus. That is not a bad thing but the point was that curricula offerings were broader and more in depth in public - looking at BL's math offerings, it is similar to the above as are the other privates. Howard or Harford would have the above plus go further with all including calculus to include Multivariate Calculus, Discrete Mathematics, Math Design, Differential Equations, Trig, Math Analysis, Financial Literacy, Advanced Algebra and Functions and others- most for 11th and 12th graders who already completed their high school requirements and want to take more at GT or AP levels. Private schools are great in many ways but can not and do not offer what a public can in terms of more classes and more advanced classes. This is not just for math - it holds true for the sciences, languages, english and the number of "interest" type courses can be overwhelming but allows for a different experience for the kids who want it.

-Smaller Teacher to Student ratio has nothing to do with a students learning ability. Severn School has a very small Teacher to Student Ratio. Most of those kids end up in Ivy League Schools!! So I respectfully disagree.

"And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me"

Bingo!!! I am allowed to send my children to a Catholic Institution that teaches the values I believe in and follow. Contrary to your opinion you can keep your religious diversity. Ask Western European countries how that is working out for them!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

-Smaller Teacher to Student ratio has nothing to do with a students learning ability. Severn School has a very small Teacher to Student Ratio. Most of those kids end up in Ivy League Schools!! So I respectfully disagree.

"And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me"

Bingo!!! I am allowed to send my children to a Catholic Institution that teaches the values I believe in and follow. Contrary to your opinion you can keep your religious diversity. Ask Western European countries how that is working out for them!!!

No where in this thread does it say you can not chose to send your kid where you want. That said, let me know where it is your kids go as I would prefer my child not join you on your pedestal. Have you read the papers lately - both public and privates (including Catholic) have more then their share of non teaching of values and "scandals" - just because you believe something to be true, does not make it true. And being fearful of diversity does not make it go away. The reality is that diversity is the future of our country. Kids that can not understand this and can not accept it, regardless of their parents stance, will be set up for failure. We are thinking you are confused about the Christian faith/Catholicism as the faith (especially the Pope) do not share your opinion with respect to "keep your religious diversity".

^^^ ready for the next Crusade? If you are not Catholic you are wrong. LOL The man in the sky will help with everything. Just put $20 in the collection tin and heaven awaits. Stand, sit, stand, sit, chant, cross, give money, leave. You are absolved. WOO Hoo. Now cheat on your wife, drink beer, curse your neighbor, say hateful things about kids and other people. Sunday will be here soon enough to pay off the sins. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

-Smaller Teacher to Student ratio has nothing to do with a students learning ability. Severn School has a very small Teacher to Student Ratio. Most of those kids end up in Ivy League Schools!! So I respectfully disagree.

"And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me"

Bingo!!! I am allowed to send my children to a Catholic Institution that teaches the values I believe in and follow. Contrary to your opinion you can keep your religious diversity. Ask Western European countries how that is working out for them!!!

If you believe in them so strongly you would not be worried about your kids being around other kids who follow another god. Your prefect angel could come home and question you. We can not have that. ( god forbid)

Who cares about academics...Public school lacrosse is terrible in Md.

Who gives a sh!! You tell me one time in your life you will be asked to factor polynomials? 80% of our education system is complete junk and waste of time. Thats the problem with the public system. They have to follow core standards. Who gives a crap about the feudal system? Really? Thats what their teaching my 11 year old. Serfs and lords and moats

Yep. All the good players are in Privates. That fact is well known!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the exceptional student public high school has more to offer! Catholic school is geared towards the average student.

You hit the nail on the head with this. If you are top notch student, your needs will be better served at a good public school. You will be able to take a wide range of advanced classes to meet your needs and you will be sitting in classes with students who are just like you. Most private schools "meet superior students needs" by having them take advanced classes with older students. For example an 8th grader who has already taken Algebra I, they would take Geometry with 9th/10th graders because the "normal track" has the majority of kids taking Algebra I in 8th/9th grade. If you don't believe that publics better serve the needs of advanced students, take some time to look up the course offerings of private and public. I think you will be shocked. If your kid is an average student who needs more attention, private is surely the way to go. But not if you are advanced at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^ ready for the next Crusade? If you are not Catholic you are wrong. LOL The man in the sky will help with everything. Just put $20 in the collection tin and heaven awaits. Stand, sit, stand, sit, chant, cross, give money, leave. You are absolved. WOO Hoo. Now cheat on your wife, drink beer, curse your neighbor, say hateful things about kids and other people. Sunday will be here soon enough to pay off the sins. LOL

Why do you find it necessary to mock and make fun of someone's religious belief's? I find it disgusting and find you disgusting for doing so. This board is about lacrosse and at times, schools that play lacrosse, but to start trashing someone's religious belief's is way out of line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about academics...Public school lacrosse is terrible in Md.

Very cute.
It is not that public school lacrosse is terrible in Maryland - it is just that MIAA is THAT good. We live in an area where families put lacrosse ahead of all else, including education, allow holding back(can only happen in private schools) while others attend private school for just sports. Many talented high school players are approached and transfer out of public in high school for sports - it takes a strong player to make the best decision for themselves including judging the long term goal, really examining why they are considering it, the academics available and the impact on the family finances even with scholarships. There are definitely a greater number of highly skilled players in the private schools making the teams much better and possessing more depth. Very talented players do exist in the public schools - just fewer of them. As long as they are on good clubs, they will be fine and many stronger for the decision to stay public. Some even have more fun playing for their public high school teams than switching into a private environment just for high school sports. Playing time is never a question and they are studs!

All the kids in my neighborhood who go to private schools have some type of issue. Learning or social. They have tutors over all the time trying to help the kids. Also the hold the kids back a year to get better grades. Very similar to Lax holdbacks. The idea is older kids have better cognitive ability and test scores will be higher. I guess it is the Crabs of private school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who gives a sh!! You tell me one time in your life you will be asked to factor polynomials? 80% of our education system is complete junk and waste of time. Thats the problem with the public system. They have to follow core standards. Who gives a crap about the feudal system? Really? Thats what their teaching my 11 year old. Serfs and lords and moats

In my job I have to work with many high level math issues. Solving for unknowns or theoretical values. Make sure you kid takes Math. Siri will not always be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who gives a sh!! You tell me one time in your life you will be asked to factor polynomials? 80% of our education system is complete junk and waste of time. Thats the problem with the public system. They have to follow core standards. Who gives a crap about the feudal system? Really? Thats what their teaching my 11 year old. Serfs and lords and moats

In my job I have to work with many high level math issues. Solving for unknowns or theoretical values. Make sure you kid takes Math. Siri will not always be there.

Ha your probably a math teacher, thats why. I'm not saying Math isn't important, just teach the important math.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any magnet programs in private schools? My son is going into high school already completing algebra 1 and geometry. Speaking with a few of the private schools mentioned earlier they won't have a math class for him in a couple years and he will have to go to a community college for math classes his senior year. Public schools meet that need without having to send the kids elsewhere.

Based strictly on academics public schools are better and have more to offer the AP student than any of the private schools.

That is just a minor thing to overcome. At the private school my son will be around prefect little angles and I will not have to pay attention to anything he does because all the kids at the private school are great kids with no issues. And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me.

will they go to a Christian college and then work for a Christian organization, because non-Christians are everywhere. Even some Catholic Universities have a Mosque on campus!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who gives a sh!! You tell me one time in your life you will be asked to factor polynomials? 80% of our education system is complete junk and waste of time. Thats the problem with the public system. They have to follow core standards. Who gives a crap about the feudal system? Really? Thats what their teaching my 11 year old. Serfs and lords and moats

In my job I have to work with many high level math issues. Solving for unknowns or theoretical values. Make sure you kid takes Math. Siri will not always be there.

Ha your probably a math teacher, thats why. I'm not saying Math isn't important, just teach the important math.

math teaches kids another way to think about solving something, higher math classes is a good thing. Don't want all kids to think that math isn't important, we have enough ignorant people is society as it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who gives a sh!! You tell me one time in your life you will be asked to factor polynomials? 80% of our education system is complete junk and waste of time. Thats the problem with the public system. They have to follow core standards. Who gives a crap about the feudal system? Really? Thats what their teaching my 11 year old. Serfs and lords and moats

Can not tell if you are serious or not but if you are serious, feel bad for your kids and they will have missed wonderful opportunities regardless of whether they are public or private. "80% of the education system is junk and a waste of time"? Would not know where to begin with that -best of luck to you and your kids!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

-Smaller Teacher to Student ratio has nothing to do with a students learning ability. Severn School has a very small Teacher to Student Ratio. Most of those kids end up in Ivy League Schools!! So I respectfully disagree.

"And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me"

Bingo!!! I am allowed to send my children to a Catholic Institution that teaches the values I believe in and follow. Contrary to your opinion you can keep your religious diversity. Ask Western European countries how that is working out for them!!!

yes, send your kids to private Catholic schools where the pedophile priest are! where was the so called morality when the Catholic church hid their pedophiles? they moved them around so they could prey on kids around the world! keep supporting your local Catholic pedophile institution so your kid can play lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep. All the good players are in Privates. That fact is well known!!

There are talented players in both private and public - just happen to be many more in private because:
1) they are legacy and their dads gave them no choice to play since birth.
2)they pay for lacrosse to be part of their school day.
3)kids are "paid" in the form of scholarships to attend private instead of public. The kids who had gone to the school all along and should be part of the team are pushed to the bench to make way for the kids that would have been public had $$ not been flashed before them.
4)kids are held back so they look better
5)Alumni often value sports over the academics and infuse money into the school and lacrosse program
6) Kids and their families rate water cooler bragging rights higher than most else.
7)Not all are willing to work harder to do what it takes to get noticed in a public high school and simply want to associate themselves with a "name lacrosse school" in hopes of getting picked up
8)Publics tend not to publish their commitments out in the world as they do not feel the same need to boast as privates as it does not offer any funding advantage.

All well and good but let's not kid ourselves on why there is a greater number of talented players - this is Baltimore. The ONLY place it matters where you went to high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who gives a sh!! You tell me one time in your life you will be asked to factor polynomials? 80% of our education system is complete junk and waste of time. Thats the problem with the public system. They have to follow core standards. Who gives a crap about the feudal system? Really? Thats what their teaching my 11 year old. Serfs and lords and moats

In my job I have to work with many high level math issues. Solving for unknowns or theoretical values. Make sure you kid takes Math. Siri will not always be there.

Ha your probably a math teacher, thats why. I'm not saying Math isn't important, just teach the important math.

Depends on what you deem important. You don't have to take the advanced math and can go with remedial to just get out of high school but for premed students, engineering, NSA jobs, NASA etc., upper level math is pretty important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

-Smaller Teacher to Student ratio has nothing to do with a students learning ability. Severn School has a very small Teacher to Student Ratio. Most of those kids end up in Ivy League Schools!! So I respectfully disagree.

"And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me"

Bingo!!! I am allowed to send my children to a Catholic

Institution that teaches the values I believe in and follow. Contrary to your opinion you can keep your religious diversity. Ask Western European countries how that is working out for them!!!

yes, send your kids to private Catholic schools where the pedophile priest are! where was the so called morality when the Catholic church hid their pedophiles? they moved them around so they could prey on kids around the world! keep supporting your local Catholic pedophile institution so your kid can play lax.

That's strange, over the past 5+ years or so all we keep hearing about is public school teachers having sex with their underage students, even female teachers having sex with 14 and 15 year od boys. Seems it is much more rampant in the public schools. That and the pedophile's that have hundreds of photos of young students, mostly all public school teachers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

-Smaller Teacher to Student ratio has nothing to do with a students learning ability. Severn School has a very small Teacher to Student Ratio. Most of those kids end up in Ivy League Schools!! So I respectfully disagree.

"And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me"

Bingo!!! I am allowed to send my children to a Catholic

Institution that teaches the values I believe in and follow. Contrary to your opinion you can keep your religious diversity. Ask Western European countries how that is working out for them!!!

yes, send your kids to private Catholic schools where the pedophile priest are! where was the so called morality when the Catholic church hid their pedophiles? they moved them around so they could prey on kids around the world! keep supporting your local Catholic pedophile institution so your kid can play lax.

That's strange, over the past 5+ years or so all we keep hearing about is public school teachers having sex with their underage students, even female teachers having sex with 14 and 15 year od boys. Seems it is much more rampant in the public schools. That and the pedophile's that have hundreds of photos of young students, mostly all public school teachers.

You are foolish if you think that private schools are immune to this and your kids are safe - statistically it may appear to be more but that is because of the sheer number of public schools and students and staff in them. In public it is also less likely to be hid or cleaned up with money. But at private schools in Baltimore you not only have to worry about teachers but the moms of fellow students. Wasn't there recently a conviction related to a mom of a prominent family taking sexual advantage of a private school student? It was kept pretty quiet until the Dean was forced to contact parents. Kettle meet pot.

Yeah but most of the female teachers are Hot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

-Smaller Teacher to Student ratio has nothing to do with a students learning ability. Severn School has a very small Teacher to Student Ratio. Most of those kids end up in Ivy League Schools!! So I respectfully disagree.

"And as a added bonus there will not be anyone who believes in a different god then me"

Bingo!!! I am allowed to send my children to a Catholic

Institution that teaches the values I believe in and follow. Contrary to your opinion you can keep your religious diversity. Ask Western European countries how that is working out for them!!!

yes, send your kids to private Catholic schools where the pedophile priest are! where was the so called morality when the Catholic church hid their pedophiles? they moved them around so they could prey on kids around the world! keep supporting your local Catholic pedophile institution so your kid can play lax.

That's strange, over the past 5+ years or so all we keep hearing about is public school teachers having sex with their underage students, even female teachers having sex with 14 and 15 year od boys. Seems it is much more rampant in the public schools. That and the pedophile's that have hundreds of photos of young students, mostly all public school teachers.

public schools do the right thing and have the teacher arrested! we live in a world full of monsters, however the Catholic church as an institution didn't report abuses to the police, instead they hid the pedophiles, enabled them, and moved them around the county. this happened not only in the U.S., but also around the world.

a portion of private Catholic school tuition goes towards harboring these monsters and keeping them safely hidden.

can't believe I'm saying this but can we get back to arguing who has the best 2020 team and more hold-backs? Seriously you guys are bickering about whether private or public schools have more pedophiles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can't believe I'm saying this but can we get back to arguing who has the best 2020 team and more hold-backs? Seriously you guys are bickering about whether private or public schools have more pedophiles?

Good Lord yes. Who freakin' cares about public vs private. If you don't like public, send your kid to a private and vice versa.

Let's get back to bitching about the 3 or 4 Crabs and FCA players from 2019 are now on the 2020 team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can't believe I'm saying this but can we get back to arguing who has the best 2020 team and more hold-backs? Seriously you guys are bickering about whether private or public schools have more pedophiles?

Good Lord yes. Who freakin' cares about public vs private. If you don't like public, send your kid to a private and vice versa.

Let's get back to bitching about the 3 or 4 Crabs and FCA players from 2019 are now on the 2020 team!

Totally agree, this is a lacrosse forum. Nothing worse than debating religion or politics, there is never a winner.

3 or 4 - right

Ok!

Crabs cheat. How the [lacrosse] do guys allow your kids to play for them?

FCA cheats too!

Sons aren't as good as the parents think!

Did I get us back on track?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok!

Crabs cheat. How the [lacrosse] do guys allow your kids to play for them?

FCA cheats too!

Sons aren't as good as the parents think!

Did I get us back on track?

Yes. Thanks for getting us back to good old lacrosse pontification. What team is your son on?

The west coast is taking over and if your not from Canada your kid won't play D1. So move to where it's warm and hand in your passport so your kid play lacrosse in college

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok!

Crabs cheat. How the [lacrosse] do guys allow your kids to play for them?

FCA cheats too!

Sons aren't as good as the parents think!

Did I get us back on track?

I'll help out by reminding everyone how awesome MadLax is.

Dont drag the Sons into your whiny world. I don't see them beating their chest, ever!They are a competitive bunch with wins and close games vsvs you elite clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok!

Crabs cheat. How the [lacrosse] do guys allow your kids to play for them?

FCA cheats too!

Sons aren't as good as the parents think!

Did I get us back on track?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep. All the good players are in Privates. That fact is well known!!

There are talented players in both private and public - just happen to be many more in private because:
1) they are legacy and their dads gave them no choice to play since birth.
2)they pay for lacrosse to be part of their school day.
3)kids are "paid" in the form of scholarships to attend private instead of public. The kids who had gone to the school all along and should be part of the team are pushed to the bench to make way for the kids that would have been public had $$ not been flashed before them.
4)kids are held back so they look better
5)Alumni often value sports over the academics and infuse money into the school and lacrosse program
6) Kids and their families rate water cooler bragging rights higher than most else.
7)Not all are willing to work harder to do what it takes to get noticed in a public high school and simply want to associate themselves with a "name lacrosse school" in hopes of getting picked up
8)Publics tend not to publish their commitments out in the world as they do not feel the same need to boast as privates as it does not offer any funding advantage.

All well and good but let's not kid ourselves on why there is a greater number of talented players - this is Baltimore. The ONLY place it matters where you went to high school.

How True...The first questions Baltimorons asked me constantly when i first moved to Baltimore was...Where do you live...What do you do...and what school do your children attend...Bunch of class morons...So glad i got transferred out of this closed society..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont drag the Sons into your whiny world. I don't see them beating their chest, ever!They are a competitive bunch with wins and close games vsvs you elite clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok!

Crabs cheat. How the [lacrosse] do guys allow your kids to play for them?

FCA cheats too!

Sons aren't as good as the parents think!

Did I get us back on track?

Aren't the Sons the ones who got caught cheating with overage players?

I was just getting us back on track as requested bud! Relax. I am sure your son will be a 4, heck, a 5 time All American in a 1st rate D1 school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont drag the Sons into your whiny world. I don't see them beating their chest, ever!They are a competitive bunch with wins and close games vsvs you elite clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok!

Crabs cheat. How the [lacrosse] do guys allow your kids to play for them?

FCA cheats too!

Sons aren't as good as the parents think!

Did I get us back on track?

Aren't the Sons the ones who got caught cheating with overage players?

They weren't overage

LOL, no they were 2020 kids playing on a 2021 team.

Sons has holdbacks too. Same model as crabs.

Who are the front runners this year in the NPYLL, both AA and A, all ages

NYPLL folded, all went to HoCo

Really, why did NPYLL fold

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really, why did NPYLL fold

NPYLL lost it's parity at the top. The bottom 4 or 5 clubs were getting tired of getting smoked by the top 4 or 5 clubs so they dropped down to hoco. The top 4 or 5 clubs did not want to play in a league with only 4 or 5 teams so Npyll fell apart. Also, many npyll clubs had problems arranging their own home fields which hoco does now for them