Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference (HoCo)

The HoCo league schedule kicks off this Sunday.

Who is looking good?

Originally Posted by TLaxOne

The HoCo league schedule kicks off this Sunday.

Who is looking good?

Diamondbacks 2022 vs. FCA 2022 in the 1st week - Championship Game?

Don't count out Koopers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't count out Koopers.

You got that Right!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by TLaxOne

The HoCo league schedule kicks off this Sunday.

Who is looking good?

Diamondbacks 2022 vs. FCA 2022 in the 1st week - Championship Game?

It is the Rough Rider's 'ship to lose. They won't give it up without a fight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't count out Koopers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't count out Koopers.

What Koopers team? One of their older teams appeared to have their hands full this morning at Blandair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Don't count out Koopers.

What Koopers team? One of their older teams appeared to have their hands full this morning at Blandair.

Koopers 2019 may be the best team in the entire area! NPYLL teams (including Crabs) hiding from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Don't count out Koopers.

What Koopers team? One of their older teams appeared to have their hands full this morning at Blandair.

Koopers 2019 may be the best team in the entire area! NPYLL teams (including Crabs) hiding from them.

You got that Right!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Don't count out Koopers.

What Koopers team? One of their older teams appeared to have their hands full this morning at Blandair.

Koopers 2019 may be the best team in the entire area! NPYLL teams (including Crabs) hiding from them.

You got that Right!

FCA 2019 18
Koopers 2019 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Don't count out Koopers.

What Koopers team? One of their older teams appeared to have their hands full this morning at Blandair.

Koopers 2019 may be the best team in the entire area! NPYLL teams (including Crabs) hiding from them.

You got that Right!

FCA 2019 18
Koopers 2019 2

WOWZER

no way that 2019 Koopers team is as good as 2019 Madlax, but then again who is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by TLaxOne

The HoCo league schedule kicks off this Sunday.

Who is looking good?

Diamondbacks 2022 vs. FCA 2022 in the 1st week - Championship Game?

10-3 Diamondbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by TLaxOne

The HoCo league schedule kicks off this Sunday.

Who is looking good?

Diamondbacks 2022 vs. FCA 2022 in the 1st week - Championship Game?

10-3 Diamondbacks

#1 vs #2 - That's what happens with you leave the NPYLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no way that 2019 Koopers team is as good as 2019 Madlax, but then again who is.

FCA

I heard MadLax 2019 was going to play Chuck Norris and Norris chickened out cause they had to much talent!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard MadLax 2019 was going to play Chuck Norris and Norris chickened out cause they had to much talent!!

Again???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no way that 2019 Koopers team is as good as 2019 Madlax, but then again who is.

Many, many teams are better than Madlax.

[quote=Anonymous]I heard MadLax 2019 was going to play Chuck Norris and Norris chickened out cause they had to much talent!!

Aren't they the "National Champions"? Boo hah hah hah

Don't count out newcomer Breakout lacrosse from DC

Scores from the weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from the weekend?

Unlike the NPYLL, the HOCO league does a good job of posting scores quickly. Check the website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from the weekend?

Unlike the NPYLL, the HOCO league does a good job of posting scores quickly. Check the website

I'll take better lacrosse over a better website any time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Scores from the weekend?

Unlike the NPYLL, the HOCO league does a good job of posting scores quickly. Check the website

I'll take better lacrosse over a better website any time

Ain't that truth brother....or sister.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Scores from the weekend?

Unlike the NPYLL, the HOCO league does a good job of posting scores quickly. Check the website

I'll take better lacrosse over a better website any time

Ain't that truth brother....or sister.

Top teams in HOCO can play with any of the top teams in npyll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Scores from the weekend?

Unlike the NPYLL, the HOCO league does a good job of posting scores quickly. Check the website

I'll take better lacrosse over a better website any time

Ain't that truth brother....or sister.

Top teams in HOCO can play with any of the top teams in npyll.

Take the Crabs out of NPYLL and the leagues are even.

At what age group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At what age group?

For what

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At what age group?

For what

Are the leagues even at what age groups? It is not at 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At what age group?

For what

Are the leagues even at what age groups? It is not at 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Scores from the weekend?

Unlike the NPYLL, the HOCO league does a good job of posting scores quickly. Check the website

I'll take better lacrosse over a better website any time

Ain't that truth brother....or sister.

Top teams in HOCO can play with any of the top teams in npyll.

The HoCo league is dog doo-doo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Scores from the weekend?

Unlike the NPYLL, the HOCO league does a good job of posting scores quickly. Check the website

I'll take better lacrosse over a better website any time

Ain't that truth brother....or sister.

Top teams in HOCO can play with any of the top teams in npyll.

Take the Crabs out of NPYLL and the leagues are even.

Spot on, I totally agree........you take Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, Madlax, Cannons, Bethesda, Club Blue out of the NPYLL and the leagues are even.

Crabs 2022 is 0-2 in NPYLL, so maybe they should be playing HOCO.

Dude, you're on crack. Most of the teams in HOCO would be destroyed by any of the NPYLL teams.

Give me a break. The top teams in hoco have beaten npyll teams frequently. Npyll is a good league but don't be so narrow minded to think that hoco top teams aren't good too. Also, there are many very poor teams in npyll. Just because you play in a league doesn't make you good

The Champions of each league could play each other the weekend/day after the championships of each league. We are the people paying for these leagues if we ask loud enough we could make it happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At what age group?

For what

Are the leagues even at what age groups? It is not at 2019.

I agree. HOCO is better at 2019. At the rest of the age groups, NPYLL is better with or without the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Champions of each league could play each other the weekend/day after the championships of each league. We are the people paying for these leagues if we ask loud enough we could make it happen.

what would the matchups look like?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is 0-2 in NPYLL, so maybe they should be playing HOCO.

Give Crabs 2022 a break. It is their 1st year. Give them a couple years to take the top kids developed by Breakers, Rock, FCA, Koopers, Greene Turtle, and Looneys and they will be kicking butt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 is 0-2 in NPYLL, so maybe they should be playing HOCO.

Give Crabs 2022 a break. It is their 1st year. Give them a couple years to take the top kids developed by Breakers, Rock, FCA, Koopers, Greene Turtle, and Looneys and they will be kicking butt.

Well said. After all, the NPYLL exists to feed the BLC beast.

Nobody holds a gun to those families' heads. Kids leave clubs to go to the Crabs for good reasons. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody holds a gun to those families' heads. Kids leave clubs to go to the Crabs for good reasons. Get over it.

I agree that Crabs get the talent. I wonder with the explosion of Club teams will Crabs in next few years be as dominant. FCA will probably get CH and Loyola boys. And other Clubs will get some of the better talent. Dont know but suspect at youth level Crabs will have a harder time as years go by..Maybe top HS teams will be really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody holds a gun to those families' heads. Kids leave clubs to go to the Crabs for good reasons. Get over it.

I agree that Crabs get the talent. I wonder with the explosion of Club teams will Crabs in next few years be as dominant. FCA will probably get CH and Loyola boys. And other Clubs will get some of the better talent. Dont know but suspect at youth level Crabs will have a harder time as years go by..Maybe top HS teams will be really good.

It all ready shows now with the Crabs younger teams now. They are not very good. They need some hold backs to win.

totally agree...the younger their teams the less holdback, lol...It would be interesting to see their teams compete at a level where the kids are the same age, not just the Crabs but all programs.

It's an argument that will continue unless changed. Everyone wanted to go grade base and this is the outcome, holdback after holdback...what a joke.

It's just one more year of youth club ball payment to pad the Administrators pockets!

Agreed the top 2 HOCO teams versus the top 2 NPYLL teams at each division, it would be interesting but believe the NPYLL Teams would win at each age group.

2019 Crabs
2020 Crabs
2021 Bethesda
2022 Cannons
2023 Madlax

2019 FCA
2020 Crabs
2021 Koopers
2022 Arden
2023 madlax

There isn't a 2023 Madlax team

No team in the area is more dominant than the 2021 Bethesda team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There isn't a 2023 Madlax team

No team in the area is more dominant than the 2021 Bethesda team

Don't know about that. 2022 Arden is pretty dominant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 FCA
2020 Crabs
2021 Koopers
2022 Arden
2023 madlax

What is this list supposed to mean? Besides 2022 Arden, all these teams have lost to other local teams recently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 FCA
2020 Crabs
2021 Koopers
2022 Arden
2023 madlax

What is this list supposed to mean? Besides 2022 Arden, all these teams have lost to other local teams recently.

I am assuming these are the top teams at each age group. Interesting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 FCA
2020 Crabs
2021 Koopers
2022 Arden
2023 madlax

What is this list supposed to mean? Besides 2022 Arden, all these teams have lost to other local teams recently.

I am assuming these are the top teams at each age group. Interesting

Should read 2022 Diamondbacks, most of those kids or parents don't know how to spell Arden, much less know where it is

Really? Arden did not even win NPYLL last year and I don't think year before either....... And already lost a hoco game this year - not sure what fuss is about.

Bethesda 2021 has not lost to a 2021 Maryland team in 2 yrs and has played everyone multiple times. Hawks/crabs/green turtle after that.

Bethesda has top team at 2021, 2023, 2024 and will be in mix this year at 2022.

Lost to who?

The 2022 Diamondbacks lost to the Cannons in preseason event. Cannons beat Madlax, Crabs, Hawks, LI Express, Koopers, FCA, etc. The played up last year in the NPYLL and held their own playing against 2021 players. It would be a good game and would enjoy to watch the talent on both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really? Arden did not even win NPYLL last year and I don't think year before either....... And already lost a hoco game this year - not sure what fuss is about.

what HOCo team?

2022 Diamondbacks did not play up in NPYLL last year. They lost to Breakers in semi who beat Hawks in championship.

Agree - Cannons are top 2022 Team - till someone beats them they are it - they have beaten everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree - Cannons are top 2022 Team - till someone beats them they are it - they have beaten everyone else.

3 games into a season with some mean less preseason games and now they are the top 2022 team. Congrats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 FCA
2020 Crabs
2021 Koopers
2022 Arden
2023 madlax

What is this list supposed to mean? Besides 2022 Arden, all these teams have lost to other local teams recently.

What local team has beaten 2019 FCA?

Bethesda 2021 has already beaten Koopers, Hawks, Crabs - 2x each - this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really? Arden did not even win NPYLL last year and I don't think year before either....... And already lost a hoco game this year - not sure what fuss is about.

They are 3-0 in HOCO and have out scored opponents 46-7. Not sure what HOCO team you are talking about but it surely wasn't this year. They were undefeated in NPYLL last year and lost to a breakers team playing with half 2021 kids in playoffs. I'm not a Diamondbacks parent. My kid plays for crabs but they are far and away the best 2022 team I have seen.

They are 3-0 in HOCO and have out scored opponents 46-7. Not sure what HOCO team you are talking about but it surely wasn't this year. They were undefeated in NPYLL last year and lost to a breakers team playing with half 2021 kids in playoffs. I'm not a Diamondbacks parent. My kid plays for crabs but they are far and away the best 2022 team I have seen. [/quote]

That Breakers team had no more than 7 2021 kids for the season; that was the rule last year. And the Breakers didn't go undefeated, they lost to the Hawks in the regular season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are 3-0 in HOCO and have out scored opponents 46-7. Not sure what HOCO team you are talking about but it surely wasn't this year. They were undefeated in NPYLL last year and lost to a breakers team playing with half 2021 kids in playoffs. I'm not a Diamondbacks parent. My kid plays for crabs but they are far and away the best 2022 team I have seen.

That Breakers team had no more than 7 2021 kids for the season; that was the rule last year. And the Breakers didn't go undefeated, they lost to the Hawks in the regular season.[/quote]

I know breakers wasn't undefeated last year. I said Diamondbacks were until they lost in playoffs. So 7 of the 19 kids on the breakers roster? Diamondbacks were all 2022 players as they should have been to be in the U-11A bracket last year.

My point was that the diamondbacks are the best true 2022 team that I have seen. Better than Cannons. Certainly better than breakers 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are 3-0 in HOCO and have out scored opponents 46-7. Not sure what HOCO team you are talking about but it surely wasn't this year. They were undefeated in NPYLL last year and lost to a breakers team playing with half 2021 kids in playoffs. I'm not a Diamondbacks parent. My kid plays for crabs but they are far and away the best 2022 team I have seen.

That Breakers team had no more than 7 2021 kids for the season; that was the rule last year. And the Breakers didn't go undefeated, they lost to the Hawks in the regular season.

I know breakers wasn't undefeated last year. I said Diamondbacks were until they lost in playoffs. So 7 of the 19 kids on the breakers roster? Diamondbacks were all 2022 players as they should have been to be in the U-11A bracket last year.

My point was that the diamondbacks are the best true 2022 team that I have seen. Better than Cannons. Certainly better than breakers 2022 team.[/quote]

91 Smash beat them.

Diamondbacks were in the U11A bracket last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are 3-0 in HOCO and have out scored opponents 46-7. Not sure what HOCO team you are talking about but it surely wasn't this year. They were undefeated in NPYLL last year and lost to a breakers team playing with half 2021 kids in playoffs. I'm not a Diamondbacks parent. My kid plays for crabs but they are far and away the best 2022 team I have seen.

That Breakers team had no more than 7 2021 kids for the season; that was the rule last year. And the Breakers didn't go undefeated, they lost to the Hawks in the regular season.

I know breakers wasn't undefeated last year. I said Diamondbacks were until they lost in playoffs. So 7 of the 19 kids on the breakers roster? Diamondbacks were all 2022 players as they should have been to be in the U-11A bracket last year.

My point was that the diamondbacks are the best true 2022 team that I have seen. Better than Cannons. Certainly better than breakers 2022 team. [/quote]

Back to the same moaning about last year's lost to Breakers. Get over it Diamondback guy. Breakers were right where they were supposed to be. They were age base team not grade and had zero holdbacks on team. And lets not go again to trying to say a U11A division was actually supposed to be a 2022 division but they called it a U11A division for no reason. Please get over the lost, it was last year!

If it didn't matter why do breakers 2021 and 2022 teams stink this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If it didn't matter why do breakers 2021 and 2022 teams stink this year?

2022 Breakers are 3-0.

You are a fool if you don't think any one of these teams could beat the other on any given day. Cannons, Diamondbacks, Bethesda, Hawks and Breakers all have quality players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If it didn't matter why do breakers 2021 and 2022 teams stink this year?

2022 Breakers are 3-0.

Against the three worse teams. We'll see what happens starting this weekend when you play the real teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If it didn't matter why do breakers 2021 and 2022 teams stink this year?

Just so I'm clear, we're pounding our chests about 5th graders, right?

Who's pounding their chests?

2021 Bethesda is very good . But dominate, I don't think so. They beat the 2021 Hawks by (1) one goal. Hmmmm, doesn't sound like domination to me.

Hawks 2021 and 2022 teams no one cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Bethesda is very good . But dominate, I don't think so. They beat the 2021 Hawks by (1) one goal. Hmmmm, doesn't sound like domination to me.

They haven't lost a league game regular season or playoffs in two years
They haven't lost a tournament game to a team not named Igloo in two years

Not sure how that isn't dominant

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Bethesda is very good . But dominate, I don't think so. They beat the 2021 Hawks by (1) one goal. Hmmmm, doesn't sound like domination to me.

They haven't lost a league game regular season or playoffs in two years
They haven't lost a tournament game to a team not named Igloo in two years

Not sure how that isn't dominant

Not sure why you are obsessed over the actions of 6th grade boys. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 Bethesda is very good . But dominate, I don't think so. They beat the 2021 Hawks by (1) one goal. Hmmmm, doesn't sound like domination to me.

They haven't lost a league game regular season or playoffs in two years
They haven't lost a tournament game to a team not named Igloo in two years

Not sure how that isn't dominant

Not sure why you are obsessed over the actions of 6th grade boys. Get a life.

He was probably in the "band" growing up.

I think the Parents should worry about if there kid is getting better, getting push to be better and learning to play the game correctly. The wins or loses go away the min the game ends. I have a older son and looks at his youth lacrosse as a whole and the complete thing not how many wins or loses he had. And he has had both.

Exactly. When these helicopter dads have sons who are in HS, they'll realize how idiotic they've been.

It's about having fun and getting better - not who wins a tournament.

Also I am sure there is not a club in the HoCo or NPYLL that are not playing to win, thats the lesson play to win do every thing you can to win. Then when the game is over go talk about girls and video games and have fun. They trophy will be in a box in the basement in 15 years.

Fca 2019 rolling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca 2019 rolling.

As they should since all the good teams are in NPYLL. Keep beating your chest about beating Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca 2019 rolling.

As they should since all the good teams are in NPYLL. Keep beating your chest about beating Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, etc.

There is one good team in HOCO 2019 and 2 good teams in NPYLL 2019.

Well who is going to step up and have a NPYLL vs HOCO tournament. The issue would be it would have to be during the spring season the summer schedule is already to full at this time.

What would be the point? The good teams will play each other in the summer and fall. FCA will play Crabs, Madlax, VLC etc plenty. No one needs to see Crabs vs Koopers or FCA vs Next Level.

Well they will not play VLC because they will be playing in the lower A or B div

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be the point? The good teams will play each other in the summer and fall. FCA will play Crabs, Madlax, VLC etc plenty. No one needs to see Crabs vs Koopers or FCA vs Next Level.

Who has VLC 2019 beaten? Have they beaten Crabs, Madlax, Hawks, FCA (AA) or anyone else for that matter? Why do they remain in the discussion?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2021 Bethesda is very good . But dominate, I don't think so. They beat the 2021 Hawks by (1) one goal. Hmmmm, doesn't sound like domination to me.

They haven't lost a league game regular season or playoffs in two years
They haven't lost a tournament game to a team not named Igloo in two years

Not sure how that isn't dominant

Not sure why you are obsessed over the actions of 6th grade boys. Get a life.

He was probably in the "band" growing up.

OUCH!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be the point? The good teams will play each other in the summer and fall. FCA will play Crabs, Madlax, VLC etc plenty. No one needs to see Crabs vs Koopers or FCA vs Next Level.

Who has VLC 2019 beaten? Have they beaten Crabs, Madlax, Hawks, FCA (AA) or anyone else for that matter? Why do they remain in the discussion?

When you grow up (you, not your son), you'll learn that it doesn't matter who wins a certain game or tournament. LOL at your obsession.

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Zero

Playoffs start tonight any updates?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playoffs start tonight any updates?

It's Friday, Mom and Dad are at the bar, Grammy and Grampy are already at the game, who else would need updates.

NO ONE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Whatever we have beaten every NPYll out there.

HoCo parents have such an inferiority complex. If it bothers you so much, join a club that is in the NPYLL.

Rightttttttttt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Whatever we have beaten every NPYll out there.

Hooray if you have but what team would that be? Brazen statement with no specifics.

Who won 2019aa hoco today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Whatever we have beaten every NPYll out there.

Hooray if you have but what team would that be? Brazen statement with no specifics.

Your having a battle of wits with a 12 year old kid......go to bed son.

What teams won the championship?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams won the championship?

It's on the website

Here is who won the AA Championships. (If you want to see who won was probably playing down and won the lower level championships, go to the website)

Club Year
Diamondbacks 2024
Looney's 2023
Diamondbacks 2022
Greene Turtle 2021
FCA 2020
FCA 2019

This appeared in the Long Island side of BOTC related to Lax Splash ......

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My son's team lost to Arden today 9-1.
The teams come together to shake hands.
The Arden coach approaches the Referee.
Pushes the Ref three times.
Had to be pulled off by his Assistants.
Parents on sidelines shocked.
You won coach.
Sad example for players of both teams.
Stay Classy.
Enjoy your Tshirt, photo and trophy.
--

Do you think it is legit or just a MD Thunder Parent with an axe to grind.

Lies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lies.

MD Thunder parents are just that way.

Why are you talking about a Georgia team on this forum?

Daddy's just kickin' sand.

I was at the game- 2022 Lax Splash Championship. I do not have a child on either team. Post game the ref got in the Arden Coach's face and the Arden Coach seemed to ask him to back off, the ref threw an elbow and it escalated. The ref instigated the entire mess...I also witnessed a Thunder parent trying to incite mayhem on the sidelines with the Arden parents, calling them classless, etc. Completely shameful behavior and he should point that big finger at himself for setting such a poor example.

One of the Arden parents simply said "sour grapes" and walked away...

[quote=Anonymous]I was at the game- 2022 Lax Splash Championship. I do not have a child on either team. Post game the ref got in the Arden Coach's face and the Arden Coach seemed to ask him to back off, the ref threw an elbow and it escalated. The ref instigated the entire mess...I also witnessed a Thunder parent trying to incite mayhem on the sidelines with the Arden parents, calling them classless, etc. Completely shameful behavior and he should point that big finger at himself for setting such a poor example.

One of the Arden parents simply said "sour grapes" and walked away...

After losing 9-1 what could possibly be accomplished by either coach or referee accosting each other. Sounds like the game was a blow out....this is MD Thunder out of Harford County? Surprised by this action if its that program.

Thunder in Harford County are wannabes. They run and hide from the good teams.

Thank you. That is the accurate version of the story. Ref instigated it, absolutely and coach tried to deflect. Sour grapes is right.

Do we have the number of the ref, he should be turned in and never allowed to wear the stripes again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we have the number of the ref, he should be turned in and never allowed to wear the stripes again.

You are going to file a complaint based on innuendo from a message board?

I assume you weren't there. But if you had a son on the field when the alleged incident happened, just ask your club's director to talk to the tournament organizer. Random dads should not be filing any type of complaint.

No, I was not there and I assume you were. More than one person has said that a referee put his hands on a coach. It should be looked into and if true this referee should not be allowed back on the field. Random dads at least know that.

Interesting, Koopers, Roughriders and GT just took down Crabs, LI Express and Team 91 this morning in the 2021AA division of Beach Lax.

Is this same Roughriders team then went 2-4 in HoCo 2021A?

(Breakers gave Hawks a great game too.)

Sounds like some great fun being had.

What's interesting is that the Arden 2022 coaching staff seems to have an issue with controlling themselves on the sidelines. Same issue that they had in the NPYLL.

They have the nerve to send other organization emails complaining about there coaches. SMH.

They cried to Hogan during a game last summer that they would never play in the Summer Exposure if the Cannons were allowed to play. That was after the teams were shaking hands and their head coach punched the Cannons head coach.

Seems like a trend that should be looked at.

What would cause a ref to go after the coach of team? Just asking.

Hawks 2021 parent here. Just wanted to say what a great group of young men the 2021 GT team happens to be. The parents were great and it's clear the team is very well coached.

All the best the rest of summer (except when you play us)

Why is Zingos tweeting that they won u13 when they are listed in the 11/12B division. They are actuall u13 BTW.

Because 11/12B is U13...hence under 13 which is 11/12 years old

Zingos U15 Not good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's interesting is that the Arden 2022 coaching staff seems to have an issue with controlling themselves on the sidelines. Same issue that they had in the NPYLL.

They have the nerve to send other organization emails complaining about there coaches. SMH.

They cried to Hogan during a game last summer that they would never play in the Summer Exposure if the Cannons were allowed to play. That was after the teams were shaking hands and their head coach punched the Cannons head coach.

Seems like a trend that should be looked at.

What would cause a ref to go after the coach of team? Just asking.

Did the 2022 Diamondbacks' coaches behave when the Cannons easily beat them at Beachlax yesterday?

Both Teams played well, coaches and players were well behaved, two top notch teams in the 2022AA Division.

Did the Hoco and NPYLL Champions play each other this weekend at any of the tournaments to definitively decide who is the best in Maryland and DC?

2019 FCA vs. Crabs
2020 FCA vs. Crabs
2021 Greene Turtle vs. Crabs
2022 Diamondbacks vs. Cannons
2023 Looney's vs. Bethesda
2024 Diamondbacks vs. Madlax

[quote=Anonymous]Did the Hoco and NPYLL Champions play each other this weekend at any of the tournaments to definitively decide who is the best in Maryland and DC?

2019 FCA vs. Crabs
2020 FCA vs. Crabs
2021 Greene Turtle vs. Crabs
2022 Diamondbacks vs. Cannons
2023 Looney's vs. Bethesda
2024 Diamondbacks vs. Madlax

2019 FCA 0-3-1 at the Beach. Pee Yew.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hoco and NPYLL Champions play each other this weekend at any of the tournaments to definitively decide who is the best in Maryland and DC?

2019 FCA vs. Crabs
2020 FCA vs. Crabs
2021 Greene Turtle vs. Crabs
2022 Diamondbacks vs. Cannons
2023 Looney's vs. Bethesda
2024 Diamondbacks vs. Madlax

All the crabs 2019 kids were playing for the 2020 this weekend so they did not

Reading this thread is like reading minor league box scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Did the Hoco and NPYLL Champions play each other this weekend at any of the tournaments to definitively decide who is the best in Maryland and DC?

2019 FCA vs. Crabs
2020 FCA vs. Crabs
2021 Greene Turtle vs. Crabs
2022 Diamondbacks vs. Cannons
2023 Looney's vs. Bethesda
2024 Diamondbacks vs. Madlax

All the crabs 2019 kids were playing for the 2020 this weekend so they did not

Sounds like FCA could've used a few holdbacks....yikes

FCA 2020 tied the Hawks, who lost to the Breakers, who lost to the Crabs. They also lost to Crush, who lost to the Crabs, so you can probably figure how that match up would have gone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hoco and NPYLL Champions play each other this weekend at any of the tournaments to definitively decide who is the best in Maryland and DC?

2019 FCA vs. Crabs
2020 FCA vs. Crabs
2021 Greene Turtle vs. Crabs
2022 Diamondbacks vs. Cannons
2023 Looney's vs. Bethesda
2024 Diamondbacks vs. Madlax

2021 - GT did not play Crabs - GT tied Hawks - Koopers and Roughriders beat Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reading this thread is like reading minor league box scores.

That's funny.

Did Roughriders bring in guest players, kids played great and have improved since 2-4 HoCo OR HoCo 2021A was just that strong this Spring? In any event, great showing for HoCo.

I just learned the term "Guest Player" this weekend. When a kid drives himself to a U15 tournament he may be a ringer. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just learned the term "Guest Player" this weekend....

And your world will never be the same.

I wasn't being derogatory with the term "guest player." My cousins grew up playing lax on the Eastern Shore and they jumped on teams for OC tournaments all the timefor fun. When I've gone to tournaments when one sibling had to go but his team wasn't there, we've arranged for them to guest play as well. Again, all for fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wasn't being derogatory with the term "guest player." My cousins grew up playing lax on the Eastern Shore and they jumped on teams for OC tournaments all the timefor fun. When I've gone to tournaments when one sibling had to go but his team wasn't there, we've arranged for them to guest play as well. Again, all for fun.

I don't think you were, was merely referencing the hubbub in the Crabs thread.

Hearing about HoCo games is like watching the Minor League All-Star game. Mildly interesting for a bit, but overall meaningless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hoco and NPYLL Champions play each other this weekend at any of the tournaments to definitively decide who is the best in Maryland and DC?

2019 FCA vs. Crabs
2020 FCA vs. Crabs
2021 Greene Turtle vs. Crabs
2022 Diamondbacks vs. Cannons
2023 Looney's vs. Bethesda
2024 Diamondbacks vs. Madlax

2022 Cannons beat Diamondbacks 8-4 at Beachlax. They'll go at it again this weekend at Summer Exposure.

Diamondbacks bounce back and beat cannons 9-2 in summer explosure

Can someone explain how these HOCO 2019 teams that are playing in the Madlax tournament in a couple weeks are put together. There are 3 of them in the same bracket is there a A,B and C team? Just wondering from a VA guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamondbacks bounce back and beat cannons 9-2 in summer explosure

Then Diamondbacks get beat by Breakers 7-3. 2022AA bracket at summer exposure very tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone explain how these HOCO 2019 teams that are playing in the Madlax tournament in a couple weeks are put together. There are 3 of them in the same bracket is there a A,B and C team? Just wondering from a VA guy.

I think they were all at beach lax, you could check those results to see where they stand

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Npyll 2022 champ got beat twice in the same tournament by the hoco 2022 champ.

Please. Diamond's just moved to HOCO this year bc they had to. Otherwise, they would be in NPYLL. As they just were last year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Npyll 2022 champ got beat twice in the same tournament by the hoco 2022 champ.

Hoco champs sent one of Cannons best middies to the hospital early in the first rematch in the process. Diamondbacks are good, but Cannons not at full strength.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please. Diamond's just moved to HOCO this year bc they had to. Otherwise, they would be in NPYLL. As they just were last year!

Why did they need to move??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Npyll 2022 champ got beat twice in the same tournament by the hoco 2022 champ.

Hoco champs sent one of Cannons best middies to the hospital early in the first rematch in the process. Diamondbacks are good, but Cannons not at full strength.

9-2 win in pool play
8-5 win in championship game.

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Npyll 2022 champ got beat twice in the same tournament by the hoco 2022 champ.

Hoco champs sent one of Cannons best middies to the hospital early in the first rematch in the process. Diamondbacks are good, but Cannons not at full strength.

9-2 win in pool play
8-5 win in championship game.

Breakers (2nd place NPYLL) beat Diamondbacks 7-3 in same tourney. Beatable on any given day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

J

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many HoCo champs can beat the top npyll teams?

Ummm, none

Npyll 2022 champ got beat twice in the same tournament by the hoco 2022 champ.

Hoco champs sent one of Cannons best middies to the hospital early in the first rematch in the process. Diamondbacks are good, but Cannons not at full strength.

9-2 win in pool play
8-5 win in championship game.

Breakers (2nd place NPYLL) beat Diamondbacks 7-3 in same tourney. Beatable on any given day.

Agreed, diamondbacks are beatable on any given day. Being the nerd that I am and looking over the summer exposure results/stats, it would appear that the game between Arden and the Breakers would have been an "upset" if Vegas was setting the odds. I know, this is youth lax forum and this isnt Vegas. I get it. Its just an observation, not trying to say anything positive or negative about either team. Having said that both teams are good. ;-)

Based on the head to head games versus common apponents:

arden vs igloo won 10-3
breakers vs igloo lost 1-4

arden vs cannons won 9-2
breakers vs cannons lost 4-5

arden vs hawks won 8-7
breakers vs hawks won 6-5

arden vs palm beach won 7-1
breakers vs palm beach tie 5-5

arden vs breakers lost 3-7
breakers vs arden won 7-3

Looks like Breakers showed up to play in the Arden game. I guess Arden was sleep walking against Breakers?

11 year kids kids sleepwalk sometimes. It happens. I believe Diamondbacks still won summer exposure.

FLASH!!!!
KLooney's 2020 wins VAIL, with OT win over FCA!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLASH!!!!
KLooney's 2020 wins VAIL, with OT win over FCA!!!

Wow. Lot of money to spend to go all the way out to Vail to play FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]FLASH!!!!
KLooney's 2020 wins VAIL, with OT win over FCA!!!

Wow. Lot of money to spend to go all the way out to Vail to play FCA.

They could have played on LR Blvd. and avoided 2000 miles and a host of garbage teams on the way to the big "Championship".

Its about the experience. Like how you waited till you were a Junior in college to have your first experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its about the experience. Like how you waited till you were a Junior in college to have your first experience.

What experience is gained from beating 3d Texas Toast Ultimate 10-0? Their only competition came from two MD teams.

[quote=Anonymous]Its about the experience. Like how you waited till you were a Junior in college to have your first experience.

Said the guy who traveled 2000 miles for the $1.50 medal and still can't find any respect. Experience that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Its about the experience. Like how you waited till you were a Junior in college to have your first experience.

Said the guy who traveled 2000 miles for the $1.50 medal and still can't find any respect. Experience that.

Ouch!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Its about the experience. Like how you waited till you were a Junior in college to have your first experience.

Said the guy who traveled 2000 miles for the $1.50 medal and still can't find any respect. Experience that.

Ouch!!!!

Any "national championship" played anywhere other than MD, NY, or PA is a complete joke and just and excuse to raise some cash from parents for the "experience".

I know the game is growing and competition is getting better, but 95% of the very best teams are still in MD, PA, and NY.

So please stop promoting all these tournaments in Colorado, Florida or some other area of the county as being "National Championships".

The very best team can simply not afford the extra $40,000 it takes to send 20 kids with a parent guardian on a plane for 3 days of hotels to go to every single "National Championship" you are promoting.

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

[quote=Anonymous]Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

2 fives don't make a 10. In this case its a 5.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Looks like Rock is reaching north with a merger with Chaos out of [lacrosse], PA.

Club lacrosse is so watered down - you have a handful of elite teams at any given age bracket and then you have everyone else.

Its all about the $$$$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Looks like Rock is reaching north with a merger with Chaos out of [lacrosse], PA.
I agree its a long drive for a B team. But 6 or so Maryland kids per team have been driving to VA for years. They just need to pick up 18 from those Landon area clubs. And this could easily be the best team of that group. Because if your son grows or gets better they have the chance to be moved to the Capitol team. Which is by far the best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for. I know I sound like a Homer. My son is graduating soon but I want the club to stay at the top.

Originally Posted by Shi Thead

Club lacrosse is so watered down - you have a handful of elite teams at any given age bracket and then you have everyone else.

Its all about the $$$$$$

I agree so it makes sense to be part of a watered down team that gives you a chance to be moved up into a elite team. Which no one can argue that the top Madlax teams play with the best or the best. You can say they are not the best all day but they are at the field playing the best. And that is all you should be worried about the date to the Prom. Even if she is ugly you will not be at a crappy tournament in Va beach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Diamondbacks have one very good team. The rest just average teams picking up API kids may help build their program. It's a win win for both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Looks like Rock is reaching north with a merger with Chaos out of [lacrosse], PA.
I agree its a long drive for a B team. But 6 or so Maryland kids per team have been driving to VA for years. They just need to pick up 18 from those Landon area clubs. And this could easily be the best team of that group. Because if your son grows or gets better they have the chance to be moved to the Capitol team. Which is by far the best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for. I know I sound like a Homer. My son is graduating soon but I want the club to stay at the top.

Homer is not the word that comes to mind if you are trying to sell Madlax to people who have ANY other option. The words I think of are hoodwinked, delusional, moronic and out of touch.

quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Looks like Rock is reaching north with a merger with Chaos out of [lacrosse], PA.
I agree its a long drive for a B team. But 6 or so Maryland kids per team have been driving to VA for years. They just need to pick up 18 from those Landon area clubs. And this could easily be the best team of that group. Because if your son grows or gets better they have the chance to be moved to the Capitol team. Which is by far the best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for. I know I sound like a Homer. My son is graduating soon but I want the club to stay at the top.

Homer is not the word that comes to mind if you are trying to sell Madlax to people who have ANY other option. The words I think of are hoodwinked, delusional, moronic and out of touch.

Really please list the clubs better then Madlax. I can let you say 3, but if your list goes above that you are out of touch sir. I am not saying the cheapest/best deal, I am stating best overall program. Like wins,players and kids signing D1. This is also a list for people who live south of Baltimore. Ok I gave you some guide lines. I will not lie to someone and say Madlax is easy and perfect. But playing for middle of the road clubs is not a better option then Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Per usual, it's just a money play. They are going to split their ok B team for each grade into 2 mediocre B teams. It is not going to have an impact on their A teams. Just an even worse experience for their B players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree its a long drive for a B team. But 6 or so Maryland kids per team have been driving to VA for years. They just need to pick up 18 from those Landon area clubs. And this could easily be the best team of that group. Because if your son grows or gets better they have the chance to be moved to the Capitol team. Which is by far the best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for. I know I sound like a Homer. My son is graduating soon but I want the club to stay at the top.

Madlax has some good teams in certain grades, but they are hardly the "best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for". If your son plays for Madlax 2016, you know for a fact that Blackwolf's 2016 team would pummel Madlax and VLC's 2016 is better, too. Both Blackwolf and VLC have better 2016 & 2017 teams than Madlax. And that's not counting the kids in this area who play for the Crabs as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Looks like Rock is reaching north with a merger with Chaos out of [lacrosse], PA.
I agree its a long drive for a B team. But 6 or so Maryland kids per team have been driving to VA for years. They just need to pick up 18 from those Landon area clubs. And this could easily be the best team of that group. Because if your son grows or gets better they have the chance to be moved to the Capitol team. Which is by far the best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for. I know I sound like a Homer. My son is graduating soon but I want the club to stay at the top.

Homer is not the word that comes to mind if you are trying to sell Madlax to people who have ANY other option. The words I think of are hoodwinked, delusional, moronic and out of touch.

Really please list the clubs better then Madlax. I can let you say 3, but if your list goes above that you are out of touch sir. I am not saying the cheapest/best deal, I am stating best overall program. Like wins,players and kids signing D1. This is also a list for people who live south of Baltimore. Ok I gave you some guide lines. I will not lie to someone and say Madlax is easy and perfect. But playing for middle of the road clubs is not a better option then Madlax

Crabs, FCA, Hawks, how is that for touch

Blackwolf and VLC are also better, especially in terms of developing HS kids and getting them recruited to college programs.

Madlax is better in terms of playing in tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blackwolf and VLC are also better, especially in terms of developing HS kids and getting them recruited to college programs.

Madlax is better in terms of playing in tournaments in Poolesville, MD.

Let's see what happens to the VLC 2019 team in the coming years. If they are that good at high school let's see if this team follows suit. They have been pulling up 2020 kids to fill the roster.

Sounds like both are weak 2019 teams. VLC ran and hid in A division to win a spring championship and Madlax has to pull kids down from 2018 to be competitive in 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Is this true?

All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Looks like Rock is reaching north with a merger with Chaos out of [lacrosse], PA.
I agree its a long drive for a B team. But 6 or so Maryland kids per team have been driving to VA for years. They just need to pick up 18 from those Landon area clubs. And this could easily be the best team of that group. Because if your son grows or gets better they have the chance to be moved to the Capitol team. Which is by far the best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for. I know I sound like a Homer. My son is graduating soon but I want the club to stay at the top.

Homer is not the word that comes to mind if you are trying to sell Madlax to people who have ANY other option. The words I think of are hoodwinked, delusional, moronic and out of touch.

Really please list the clubs better then Madlax. I can let you say 3, but if your list goes above that you are out of touch sir. I am not saying the cheapest/best deal, I am stating best overall program. Like wins,players and kids signing D1. This is also a list for people who live south of Baltimore. Ok I gave you some guide lines. I will not lie to someone and say Madlax is easy and perfect. But playing for middle of the road clubs is not a better option then Madlax

Crabs, FCA, Hawks, how is that for touch

Crabs & Fca are north Baltimore. Hawks are Annapolis. None are realistic options for the Montgomery County/Nova kids that would play for Madlax.

Blackwolf is starting youth teams for next year and seem to be pulling talent from Madlax every season.

Is this true? [/quote]
All these kids should just tryout for the new Madlax Maryland team. Same level or higher with a chase to make the Madlax Capital team [/quote]

Don't understand Madlax's approach. They are basing the Madlax MD team out of Landon and Montgomery County which is already an area they already have a presence in and is already conjested with clubs (club Blue, Bethesda, next level, and many other minor clubs). They are making the 'Capitol' team their A team with both MD and VA kids and two 'B' teams - one for MD and one for VA.

No one out of the Annapolis/Bowie area considering the new API Diamondbacks is going to make the trip for a B level Madlax MD team.

Looks like Rock is reaching north with a merger with Chaos out of [lacrosse], PA.
I agree its a long drive for a B team. But 6 or so Maryland kids per team have been driving to VA for years. They just need to pick up 18 from those Landon area clubs. And this could easily be the best team of that group. Because if your son grows or gets better they have the chance to be moved to the Capitol team. Which is by far the best team for the South MD/DC crowd to play for. I know I sound like a Homer. My son is graduating soon but I want the club to stay at the top.
[/quote] [/quote]Homer is not the word that comes to mind if you are trying to sell Madlax to people who have ANY other option. The words I think of are hoodwinked, delusional, moronic and out of touch.

Really please list the clubs better then Madlax. I can let you say 3, but if your list goes above that you are out of touch sir. I am not saying the cheapest/best deal, I am stating best overall program. Like wins,players and kids signing D1. This is also a list for people who live south of Baltimore. Ok I gave you some guide lines. I will not lie to someone and say Madlax is easy and perfect. But playing for middle of the road clubs is not a better option then Madlax [/quote]
Crabs, FCA, Hawks, how is that for touch

Crabs & Fca are north Baltimore. Hawks are Annapolis. None are realistic options for the Montgomery County/Nova kids that would play for Madlax. [/quote]the last time I looked Annapolis was still south of Baltimore, which was the geographic area discussed. I don't think there is much difference between north and south Baltimore. They are all part of the city that reads. Actually I guess north Baltimore gets to read the same book over once or twice. Oh and all three are still better than maddux

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like both are weak 2019 teams. VLC ran and hid in A division to win a spring championship and Madlax has to pull kids down from 2018 to be competitive in 2019.
That one kid played one time for 2019 and it was on the National team at the Crabs young gun tournament where all the teams where cheating with older kids. They where fighting fire with fire. Yes cheating but it was at a Crabs tournament so is it really cheating if you are at a Crabs tournament.

Really please list the clubs better then Madlax. I can let you say 3, but if your list goes above that you are out of touch sir. I am not saying the cheapest/best deal, I am stating best overall program. Like wins,players and kids signing D1. This is also a list for people who live south of Baltimore. Ok I gave you some guide lines. I will not lie to someone and say Madlax is easy and perfect. But playing for middle of the road clubs is not a better option then Madlax [/quote]
Crabs, FCA, Hawks, how is that for touch

Crabs & Fca are north Baltimore. Hawks are Annapolis. None are realistic options for the Montgomery County/Nova kids that would play for Madlax. [/quote]the last time I looked Annapolis was still south of Baltimore, which was the geographic area discussed. I don't think there is much difference between north and south Baltimore. They are all part of the city that reads. Actually I guess north Baltimore gets to read the same book over once or twice. Oh and all three are still better than maddux [/quote]

Well if we go back to my question and guide lines for the question. You can keep the Hawks and FCA but you have to take out the Crabs they are who they are. But my point was if you can not make the Hawks or FCA and lets say Crabs also. Madlax Maryland is the next clear choice. I said you might be able to pick 3 above Madlax but they are 4 or higher of a choice. And we all know their is way more then 3 clubs in south Maryland. So if you want to list the top 10 clubs where would Madlax Maryland fall. Because if you are on team 10.9.8.7,6,5 in this list Madlax would be a better place for your kid to play. Like I said Madlax gets you on the field and in the tournaments you want and need to be in. This is 100% a fact. And if you are a kid playing at a avg level it would be better to be in a club where if you hit a growth spurt you will be in the system to move up to the Capital team and play with the studs. You can bad mouth the Madlax top teams records all day but they are at the show. So until they stop going to the best or top tournaments they are a very good or best option.

The only difference between crabs and madlax is yellow/orange and the size of their arrogant loudmouth owners. They are carbon copies of each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only difference between crabs and madlax is yellow/orange and the size of their arrogant loudmouth owners. They are carbon copies of each other.

Ok like I said still at worst the 4th best option for Southern MD

Crabs, Madlax and VLC are all much better than Madlax, especially at the HS level.

Nobody is going to play for Madlax Maryland except for kids on B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only difference between crabs and madlax is yellow/orange and the size of their arrogant loudmouth owners. They are carbon copies of each other.

Except the Crabs have a lot more D1 commits. Madlax 2016 lost their best player and FOGO to Crabs. Best player on Madlax 2017 went to VLC. Seems like Madlax loses their best players to other clubs when they finish youth ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only difference between crabs and madlax is yellow/orange and the size of their arrogant loudmouth owners. They are carbon copies of each other.

Except the Crabs have a lot more D1 commits. Madlax 2016 lost their best player and FOGO to Crabs. Best player on Madlax 2017 went to VLC. Seems like Madlax loses their best players to other clubs when they finish youth ball.

blah blah blah, they are still despicable organizations and are the epitome of everything wrong with youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only difference between crabs and madlax is yellow/orange and the size of their arrogant loudmouth owners. They are carbon copies of each other.

Ok like I said still at worst the 4th best option for Southern MD

Southern MD is east of DC. The Cannons are the best club in this area.

Bethesda/Montgomery County is west and a whole different area and is where MadLax has to battle Bethesda, Club Blue, and Next Level (and a bunch of annual upstarts) for kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The only difference between crabs and madlax is yellow/orange and the size of their arrogant loudmouth owners. They are carbon copies of each other.

Except the Crabs have a lot more D1 commits. Madlax 2016 lost their best player and FOGO to Crabs. Best player on Madlax 2017 went to VLC. Seems like Madlax loses their best players to other clubs when they finish youth ball.

blah blah blah, they are still despicable organizations and are the epitome of everything wrong with youth sports.

Try arts & crafts or the band.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The only difference between crabs and madlax is yellow/orange and the size of their arrogant loudmouth owners. They are carbon copies of each other.

Except the Crabs have a lot more D1 commits. Madlax 2016 lost their best player and FOGO to Crabs. Best player on Madlax 2017 went to VLC. Seems like Madlax loses their best players to other clubs when they finish youth ball.

blah blah blah, they are still despicable organizations and are the epitome of everything wrong with youth sports.

Try arts & crafts or the band.....

Not sure what the comment means, could you clarify your point Ryan

What does Ryan have to brag about, that he gets the kids after other programs develop them???

RM and his protege at Madlax are complete asses. The sport would be better without their involvement.

Breakers 2020 are bunch of douches as well. They were beating some team 16-1 and the parents were still clapping on the field next to us. Sad.

[quote=Anonymous]Breakers 2020 are bunch of douches as well. They were beating some team 16-1 and the parents were still clapping on the field next to us. Sad.

Yes that's a group that is not really used to winning, so they would not be expected to act like they have been there before.
Can't win the big ones against good teams, beat up on inferior competition than chest bumpers.....pretty transparent group.

parents were clapping for their kids? what has this world come to. give me a break, if you think they are D-bags that's fine but cheating a good save or a nice goal or assist in a 16-1 game is totally acceptable.

[quote=Anonymous]parents were clapping for their kids? what has this world come to. give me a break, if you think they are D-bags that's fine but cheating a good save or a nice goal or assist in a 16-1 game is totally acceptable.

act like you've seen a good save or nice goal before...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers 2020 are bunch of douches as well. They were beating some team 16-1 and the parents were still clapping on the field next to us. Sad.

They weren't whooping it up, was more like a golf clap. Why don't you go throw rocks at someone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]parents were clapping for their kids? what has this world come to. give me a break, if you think they are D-bags that's fine but cheating a good save or a nice goal or assist in a 16-1 game is totally acceptable.

act like you've seen a good save or nice goal before...

Was not there and I am a 2019 guy but, when a game is a blow out it should mean kids who do not play a lot are in the game. So one would guess that the kid who scored the 14 -16 goal is a kid who does not have a lot of goals. So this could make the parents of this kid pretty happy. This is just a general rule I use. Know if a kid is working on a 2nd hat trick in a 16-0 game then you should call the parents out. So my point is. It all comes down to who is scoring in these blow outs.

Agree, We had a game 15-0 and our long poles scored with short poles. We cheer a little as they never play with shorties. If that was the case than it was acceptable. Sometimes U13 teams should not play up as U15 is a different animal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Where did API play? Will they go back to npyll?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Where did API play? Will they go back to npyll?

Api and dbacks are typical B level clubs playing in HoCo. Neither could compete in npyll. Merging two Bs won't make an A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Where did API play? Will they go back to npyll?

Api and dbacks are typical B level clubs playing in HoCo. Neither could compete in npyll. Merging two Bs won't make an A

Agreed that API was a typical B level team, but the Diamondback organization is not. The Diamondbacks did play in the NPYLL and won several championships there. The level of competition in the NPYLL is comparable, or even worse, than HOCO at most divisions.

HoCo is the minor leagues.

Even in some grades maybe, worse....please!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo is the minor leagues.

The npyll is run by the hawks owner who changes the rules so his teams can make the playoffs. Talk about a conflict of interest...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo is the minor leagues.

The npyll is run by the hawks owner who changes the rules so his teams can make the playoffs. Talk about a conflict of interest...

Untrue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo is the minor leagues.

The npyll is run by the hawks owner who changes the rules so his teams can make the playoffs. Talk about a conflict of interest...

I am sure there might be some of that. But the NPYLL is the best league to be in for the area. There are some teams that should be playing in it. Like FCA or some others. I would love to see a little larger NPYLL with a double header like format. So you get two games in a sunday. It would not have to be the same teams playing twice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any thoughts on the Diamondbacks merging with API?

Where did API play? Will they go back to npyll?

Api and dbacks are typical B level clubs playing in HoCo. Neither could compete in npyll. Merging two Bs won't make an A

Agreed that API was a typical B level team, but the Diamondback organization is not. The Diamondbacks did play in the NPYLL and won several championships there. The level of competition in the NPYLL is comparable, or even worse, than HOCO at most divisions.

I don't know how many Diamondback teams won NPYLL Championship team, 2018 team was a decent team before it disbanded, they have one decent team and those parents probably can't spell Arden, much less have any idea where it is. Some kind of crossover between the leagues would be a good idea, but will probably never happen. Some of the better HoCo teams would make nice competiton in NPYLL.

Arden was basically a lot Severna Park parents and kids that created a local club league to compete in the NPYLL. As the kids got older they jump ship for the Hawks, FCA, Crabs, and Breakers. That is why the Arden Diamondbacks 2018 team disbanded. Arden joining forces with API is a good thing and will help with indoor practice facilities in crofton. Arden hopes to compete with the Hawks programs for Anne Arundel County Club league dominance. If Arden and Hawks would ever combine they could be a dominate MD club.

I hate to be that guy, but I have never in my entire life seen the word dominate used instead of dominant more than I have on this site.

Yeesh people. A team can be dominant. A team can dominate another team. But a team cannot be dominate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hate to be that guy, but I have never in my entire life seen the word dominate used instead of dominant more than I have on this site.

Yeesh people. A team can be dominant. A team can dominate another team. But a team cannot be dominate

Especially if that team is dbacks

I'm not positive, but I thought Mike Bellotte created the Diamondbacks before the NPYLL began play.

2018 and 2020 won npyll championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not positive, but I thought Mike Bellotte created the Diamondbacks before the NPYLL began play.

MIke Bellotte had the SP Bay Raiders or something like that... he was kicked out of severna park & arden and the Diamondbacks were created after that.

Arden has several very good teams including their 2020, 2022, and 2024 teams. Their 2020 team won the NPYLL U11AA championship the last year they were in the NPYLL.

As for NPYLL vs HOCO - there is a Saturday league that was started last year - the MPLL - games played at St. Pauls. Had a handful of NPYLL and HOCO teams... would be the perfect spot for teams who play Sundays in the NPYLL/HOCO to go play against each other on Saturdays in the Spring.

Thank you professor for enlightening me on my grammatical errors. Now do you have any knowledge to add to the board or are you just going to be typical [lacrosse] bag? Maybe you should go over to another thread and beat the "holdbacks" conversation to death a little more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hate to be that guy, but I have never in my entire life seen the word dominate used instead of dominant more than I have on this site.

Yeesh people. A team can be dominant. A team can dominate another team. But a team cannot be dominate

Nice Professor Roy Hinkley... Now see if you can figure out how to fix a two ft hole.

I have heard that preliminary discussions have occurred about merging HoCo - NPYLL or at a minimum league cooperation. Perhaps lower status "b" teams play HoCo and higher status "a,aa" play NPYLL. Has anyone else heard anything relating to this?

Rumor has it that a few of the weaker clubs dropped out of NPYLL and now there are not enough for a league. Everyone is moving to Hoco. Details?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it that a few of the weaker clubs dropped out of NPYLL and now there are not enough for a league. Everyone is moving to Hoco. Details?

I can see this happening. The top clubs will just move to play days in a tournament style during the spring. I always hated driving to play the Hawks for one 1 hour game. I always wished we could play the Hawks and another team the same day. And teams like the Crabs and Madlax would love to take there teams to a play day tournament style in the hot bed areas so they could be seen maybe by some college eyes.

NPYLL is done and all teams are moving to HOCO. HOCO will have 3 divisions: AA, A, B. Top Teams will enter AA - will be very strong level of competition at AA. Idea of Play Days is a good one, but tough to execute as Teams are not available to play - due to play in their own respective leagues. AA of HOCO will be great option for the most talented MD, VA, DC Clubs. Best of NPYLL are Crabs, Bethesda, Hawks, Madlax - all in HOCO now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NPYLL is done and all teams are moving to HOCO. HOCO will have 3 divisions: AA, A, B. Top Teams will enter AA - will be very strong level of competition at AA. Idea of Play Days is a good one, but tough to execute as Teams are not available to play - due to play in their own respective leagues. AA of HOCO will be great option for the most talented MD, VA, DC Clubs. Best of NPYLL are Crabs, Bethesda, Hawks, Madlax - all in HOCO now.

is that official or just anonymous internet speculation?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo is the minor leagues.

HOCO is the only league now! LOL

Just rumors. Nothing close to being a done deal.

100 pct done deal

Official

We will see who is the best of the best now. No hiding in different leagues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Official

Wow!! That was a quick exit for a league that was darn good.
Why is this ?? HOCO is run by Howard County Recreation and NPYLL was private?

Details anyone??

Any quick pre season rankings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Official

Wow!! That was a quick exit for a league that was darn good.
Why is this ?? HOCO is run by Howard County Recreation and NPYLL was private?

Details anyone??

King crab does not make enough to sustain the league

Top 3 - No Order:
2020: Crabs, Looneys, Hawks
2021: Bethesda, Hawks, Crabs
2022: Diamondbacks, Hawks, Bethesda
2023: Crabs, Bethesda, Club Blue
2024: Madlax, Bethesda, Team 91 MD
2025: Bethesda, Madlax, Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any quick pre season rankings?

MadLax
Everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NPYLL is done and all teams are moving to HOCO. HOCO will have 3 divisions: AA, A, B. Top Teams will enter AA - will be very strong level of competition at AA. Idea of Play Days is a good one, but tough to execute as Teams are not available to play - due to play in their own respective leagues. AA of HOCO will be great option for the most talented MD, VA, DC Clubs. Best of NPYLL are Crabs, Bethesda, Hawks, Madlax - all in HOCO now.

Hoco pulls teams from PA sometimes also - Chaos & Low&Away.

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 3 - No Order:
2020: Crabs, Looneys, Hawks
2021: Bethesda, Hawks, Crabs
2022: Diamondbacks, Hawks, Bethesda
2023: Crabs, Bethesda, Club Blue
2024: Madlax, Bethesda, Team 91 MD
2025: Bethesda, Madlax, Hawks

Written by a Bethesda guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

I agree now we will not have to hear the FCA people cry about people not playing them. Or any team for that matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

It is Fellowship of Christian Athletes..and many 2020 FCA boys played up, yes up on the 2019 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

It is Fellowship of Christian Athletes..and many 2020 FCA boys played up, yes up on the 2019 team.

Many are summer '01 birthday, should be 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

It is Fellowship of Christian Athletes..and many 2020 FCA boys played up, yes up on the 2019 team.

Many are summer '01 birthday, should be 2019

any of the 2020 teams listed on not have summer 2001 birthdays?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

They may play for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes but their coaches and parents are arrogant asses and their tactics are questionable at best.

FCA is definitely using the graduation year loophole to abuse the system just like Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

They may play for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes but their coaches and parents are arrogant asses and their tactics are questionable at best.

Call me what you want but youth sports and religion of any kind should not mix. I feel bad enough when I see a Jewish kid pretend to pray before a big game. But to try and exclude none Christians or say Christians can do youth sports better is just not cool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

They may play for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes but their coaches and parents are arrogant asses and their tactics are questionable at best.

Call me what you want but youth sports and religion of any kind should not mix. I feel bad enough when I see a Jewish kid pretend to pray before a big game. But to try and exclude none Christians or say Christians can do youth sports better is just not cool.

There are a number of non-Christians that participate in FCA. Hop down off your soap box and come listen to a huddle before or after a game. It is about teaching the kids right from wrong, make better decisions, etc...If you don't know what is being said, you shouldn't comment.

If the non Christians don't like it, they can choose one of the many other Lax clubs out there. I'm sure those other clubs would be just as happy as FCA to take your money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

They may play for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes but their coaches and parents are arrogant asses and their tactics are questionable at best.

Call me what you want but youth sports and religion of any kind should not mix. I feel bad enough when I see a Jewish kid pretend to pray before a big game. But to try and exclude none Christians or say Christians can do youth sports better is just not cool.

The FCA Christians cheat almost as well as Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me this puts ALL the best teams in one league: Crabs (holdbacks), FCA, Hawks, Loonies, Team 91, etc.

This is a good thing IMHO

Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

They may play for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes but their coaches and parents are arrogant asses and their tactics are questionable at best.

Call me what you want but youth sports and religion of any kind should not mix. I feel bad enough when I see a Jewish kid pretend to pray before a big game. But to try and exclude none Christians or say Christians can do youth sports better is just not cool.

There are a number of non-Christians that participate in FCA. Hop down off your soap box and come listen to a huddle before or after a game. It is about teaching the kids right from wrong, make better decisions, etc...If you don't know what is being said, you shouldn't comment.

Teaching them right from wrong? Haha! That's pretty funny. They move kids between teams based on the opponent they are playing, I've seen it first hand - and I'm not talking about 2019 to 2020, I'm talking about between 2020 teams. I've also heard more cuss words on the field coming from the FCA kids than any other team we've ever played. Then add the we're better than you because we pray mentality to it... it's just disgusting. You'd think they would be the most sportsmanlike and ethical team on the field - however they are anything but that.

i can attest to the 2019/20 mentality since my son played with those boys for years in rec/club. many of those kids were the most arrogant, elitist kids around and the parents were the same way. we and a few other parents used to joke about the irony, asking when was the last time these kids went to church, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i can attest to the 2019/20 mentality since my son played with those boys for years in rec/club. many of those kids were the most arrogant, elitist kids around and the parents were the same way. we and a few other parents used to joke about the irony, asking when was the last time these kids went to church, etc.

I sgree. I had the unfortunate experience of sitting around FCA parents at a 2020 game at Blandiar field in Howard County last spring. They are the most rude, arrogant and foul mouth people I have ever been around at a lax game. It took all of my strength to not tell them to shut the f up. They were getting on the ref on every call, quietly cheered when an opposing play was injured (by an illegal hit) and then yelled at the ref for giving the FCA player a penalty. FCA is not quite as bad as Crabs for the number of holdbacks or moving players around but they are a very close second in the Baltimore area. And they have the gall to pretend they are a religious group and hide behind religion. Believe me, they are anything but. Who knows, maybe this organization is some kind of cult, but whatever it is, it is shameful.

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i can attest to the 2019/20 mentality since my son played with those boys for years in rec/club. many of those kids were the most arrogant, elitist kids around and the parents were the same way. we and a few other parents used to joke about the irony, asking when was the last time these kids went to church, etc.

I sgree. I had the unfortunate experience of sitting around FCA parents at a 2020 game at Blandiar field in Howard County last spring. They are the most rude, arrogant and foul mouth people I have ever been around at a lax game. It took all of my strength to not tell them to shut the f up. They were getting on the ref on every call, quietly cheered when an opposing play was injured (by an illegal hit) and then yelled at the ref for giving the FCA player a penalty. FCA is not quite as bad as Crabs for the number of holdbacks or moving players around but they are a very close second in the Baltimore area. And they have the gall to pretend they are a religious group and hide behind religion. Believe me, they are anything but. Who knows, maybe this organization is some kind of cult, but whatever it is, it is shameful.

You are no longer welcome in heaven. EOM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous
Add FCA to your holdback list, all their summer 2001 birthdays (who were on 2019) are now on 2020. It's the Christian way!

Oh I get it because its FCA. Federation of Christian Athletes

They may play for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes but their coaches and parents are arrogant asses and their tactics are questionable at best.

Call me what you want but youth sports and religion of any kind should not mix. I feel bad enough when I see a Jewish kid pretend to pray before a big game. But to try and exclude none Christians or say Christians can do youth sports better is just not cool.

There are a number of non-Christians that participate in FCA. Hop down off your soap box and come listen to a huddle before or after a game. It is about teaching the kids right from wrong, make better decisions, etc...If you don't know what is being said, you shouldn't comment.

Teaching them right from wrong? Haha! That's pretty funny. They move kids between teams based on the opponent they are playing, I've seen it first hand - and I'm not talking about 2019 to 2020, I'm talking about between 2020 teams. I've also heard more cuss words on the field coming from the FCA kids than any other team we've ever played. Then add the we're better than you because we pray mentality to it... it's just disgusting. You'd think they would be the most sportsmanlike and ethical team on the field - however they are anything but that. [/quote]

My son has played on different club & rec teams with quite a few of the FCA kids, they definitely move players from their 2020 Blue down to the 2020 White. Moving players from "AA" down a level to "A" is still cheating and just as bad as holdbacks.

The pre game huddle sounds something like this "Dear Lord Baby Jesus, please don't let us get caught cheating today. We have 4 holdbacks playing today plus another 4 players who were born in the summer. Oh, Lord baby Jesus, we also brought 3 players down from our AA team to play with our A team today, so we have 11 kids who shouldn't be on the field playing this game today!

[/quote]
Call me what you want but youth sports and religion of any kind should not mix. I feel bad enough when I see a Jewish kid pretend to pray before a big game. But to try and exclude none Christians or say Christians can do youth sports better is just not cool. [/quote]

thanks for your input Hillary, we appreciate it. please stop worrying about youth Lax and go back to your failing campaign.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

Then you have 2 other options if you feel that way. In NJ and PA families have to travel 60+ miles for a top program, consider yourself lucky and stop complaining

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

I don't follow you. Why would any player of non Christian faith have to deal with FCA? FCA, like all of the clubs, are private enterprises. It isn't like this is happening at your local public school. If you'd sell your soul to the devil for your kid to play with the best despite him having to "deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra," then that is on you.

I hold the FCA team at my son's age group in very low regard, but I'm also Catholic and don't see the attack on the concept of a Christian based team as legitimate, particularly given your thought process. That being said, I agree with sentiment that FCA (coaches and players) often conduct themselves in a manner contrary to their mission and values.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

for 2020 there are - Crabs, Looney's (2 teams), Hawks (2 teams, I think), 91 MD (2 teams), and FCA (2 teams). If a child or their parents don't want to deal with religious dogma then the child can tryout for any of the other teams. If he doesn't make the top team for any of those, they all have "A" teams (or "B") that would probably take him.

If parents want to pay their club fees and include prayer they have the right to do so. The few people that this offends should find another club and stop crying. These are not rec programs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is definitely using the graduation year loophole to abuse the system just like Crabs.

Loophole? What loophole? The divisions are by grad year. It's not a loophole if the kids are playing for the grade they are in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is definitely using the graduation year loophole to abuse the system just like Crabs.

Loophole? What loophole? The divisions are by grad year. It's not a loophole if the kids are playing for the grade they are in

Keep telling yourself that-the folks with morals will never buty it no matter how many times you say it. The intent of grade level was never to have kids hold back and then participate with kids 1-2 years younger than them. Let's see if Hoco stands behind their mantra of putting kids first and has the nerve to stand up to these guys who are ruining the sport and put in some maximum ages similar to the Denver dates. Otherwise, they just become part of the problem and their youth sport program is then questionable too.

What are the current grade based/age restrictions for HOCO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

for 2020 there are - Crabs, Looney's (2 teams), Hawks (2 teams, I think), 91 MD (2 teams), and FCA (2 teams). If a child or their parents don't want to deal with religious dogma then the child can tryout for any of the other teams. If he doesn't make the top team for any of those, they all have "A" teams (or "B") that would probably take him.

If parents want to pay their club fees and include prayer they have the right to do so. The few people that this offends should find another club and stop crying. These are not rec programs!

I agree its America and they are not Rec. teams. But as a non Christian I would like to just deal with Lacrosse and only lacrosse not a club excluding kids even if it is in a passive way. I live out of the FCA area really but I wanted to bring it to the four front. I agree its not a big big deal for 99%. of people. But why do you have to add the grief of dealing with religion while playing Lacrosse and youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree its America and they are not Rec. teams. But as a non Christian I would like to just deal with Lacrosse and only lacrosse not a club excluding kids even if it is in a passive way. I live out of the FCA area really but I wanted to bring it to the four front. I agree its not a big big deal for 99%. of people. But why do you have to add the grief of dealing with religion while playing Lacrosse and youth sports.

You don't have to deal with any grief. Play somewhere else. You must be one of those that needs a safe space if you are offended by a private enterprise including prayer as part of its offering. How about the fact that most clubs end up excluding kids in a non-passive way by cutting them? C'mon man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

for 2020 there are - Crabs, Looney's (2 teams), Hawks (2 teams, I think), 91 MD (2 teams), and FCA (2 teams). If a child or their parents don't want to deal with religious dogma then the child can tryout for any of the other teams. If he doesn't make the top team for any of those, they all have "A" teams (or "B") that would probably take him.

If parents want to pay their club fees and include prayer they have the right to do so. The few people that this offends should find another club and stop crying. These are not rec programs!

I agree its America and they are not Rec. teams. But as a non Christian I would like to just deal with Lacrosse and only lacrosse not a club excluding kids even if it is in a passive way. I live out of the FCA area really but I wanted to bring it to the four front. I agree its not a big big deal for 99%. of people. But why do you have to add the grief of dealing with religion while playing Lacrosse and youth sports.

that's ridiculous. as prior posters have said - you need not deal with the "grief" of religion by choosing not to be part of their program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

for 2020 there are - Crabs, Looney's (2 teams), Hawks (2 teams, I think), 91 MD (2 teams), and FCA (2 teams). If a child or their parents don't want to deal with religious dogma then the child can tryout for any of the other teams. If he doesn't make the top team for any of those, they all have "A" teams (or "B") that would probably take him.

If parents want to pay their club fees and include prayer they have the right to do so. The few people that this offends should find another club and stop crying. These are not rec programs!

I agree its America and they are not Rec. teams. But as a non Christian I would like to just deal with Lacrosse and only lacrosse not a club excluding kids even if it is in a passive way. I live out of the FCA area really but I wanted to bring it to the four front. I agree its not a big big deal for 99%. of people. But why do you have to add the grief of dealing with religion while playing Lacrosse and youth sports.

I'm not Jewish but I drink He-Brew beer and eat National Hebrew hotdogs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

for 2020 there are - Crabs, Looney's (2 teams), Hawks (2 teams, I think), 91 MD (2 teams), and FCA (2 teams). If a child or their parents don't want to deal with religious dogma then the child can tryout for any of the other teams. If he doesn't make the top team for any of those, they all have "A" teams (or "B") that would probably take him.

If parents want to pay their club fees and include prayer they have the right to do so. The few people that this offends should find another club and stop crying. These are not rec programs!

I agree its America and they are not Rec. teams. But as a non Christian I would like to just deal with Lacrosse and only lacrosse not a club excluding kids even if it is in a passive way. I live out of the FCA area really but I wanted to bring it to the four front. I agree its not a big big deal for 99%. of people. But why do you have to add the grief of dealing with religion while playing Lacrosse and youth sports.

my son doesn't play for FCA, but they must be doing something right. They probably have the biggest turnout of kids for tryouts every year. If a child isn't Christian and the praying is offensive to the child or parents then don't sign up for the club.

People need to stop pushing their non Christian ideas and bigotry on others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My original point about FCA is no matter if the coaches and players are saints. The concept of bringing a faith based team into a youth sport world is just off putting. And I agree its America and we all have rights. But with FCA becoming a top program its a little upsetting that a top player of non Christian faith would have to deal with the uncomfortable feeling of all the extra. We can agree there is only 3 at the most top AA programs within 30 miles of any of us on here.

for 2020 there are - Crabs, Looney's (2 teams), Hawks (2 teams, I think), 91 MD (2 teams), and FCA (2 teams). If a child or their parents don't want to deal with religious dogma then the child can tryout for any of the other teams. If he doesn't make the top team for any of those, they all have "A" teams (or "B") that would probably take him.

If parents want to pay their club fees and include prayer they have the right to do so. The few people that this offends should find another club and stop crying. These are not rec programs!

I agree its America and they are not Rec. teams. But as a non Christian I would like to just deal with Lacrosse and only lacrosse not a club excluding kids even if it is in a passive way. I live out of the FCA area really but I wanted to bring it to the four front. I agree its not a big big deal for 99%. of people. But why do you have to add the grief of dealing with religion while playing Lacrosse and youth sports.

my son doesn't play for FCA, but they must be doing something right. They probably have the biggest turnout of kids for tryouts every year. If a child isn't Christian and the praying is offensive to the child or parents then don't sign up for the club.

People need to stop pushing their non Christian ideas and bigotry on others.

There are two different discussions here about FCA. One is the idiot who is complaining about religion and lacrosse. Agreed - that's a ridiculous argument.

The other is the point about the players, coaches, parents all being arrogant, unsportsmanlike, jackasses. That's an extremely valid argument!

The idea of FCA is great. When the parents and the children do not live up the ideals the club was supposedly founded on, that is disappointing.

Please tell me one club where some parents don't act like jacka$$s? All clubs have a couple...and we can thank the horrible environment created by early recruiting for some of this behavior. I am an FCA parent, I like most of the parents involved in the club. I also like many of the parents involved in other clubs. As I mentioned, there are always a few bad apples, one shouldn't judge a club by the poor acting minority. And some of you are putting too much weight on the religious aspect of FCA. It is the backbone but the club does not push religious views on the players or families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please tell me one club where some parents don't act like jacka$$s? All clubs have a couple...and we can thank the horrible environment created by early recruiting for some of this behavior. I am an FCA parent, I like most of the parents involved in the club. I also like many of the parents involved in other clubs. As I mentioned, there are always a few bad apples, one shouldn't judge a club by the poor acting minority. And some of you are putting too much weight on the religious aspect of FCA. It is the backbone but the club does not push religious views on the players or families.

I totally agree that most teams have parents/fans that act like idiots but not to the extent of FCA. I have seen this first hand over the past few years and more than several games this behavior plus the foul language. This has no place at a youth sporting event. The other rub on FCA is the holdbacks. Again most teams have a few but FCA is clearly in second place behind Crabs, who have many holdbacks and some double holdbacks. FCA moves players around, especially for tournaments, such as moving 2019 players to a 2020 teams. Please don't deny this, I have seen it first hand as I know some of the players involved. Like you mentioned the religious aspect is the backbone of FCA, and I have no problem with this but I believe most feel with this FCA should be held to a higher standard and curtail the behavior/foul language and the movement of players/cheating.

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Part of the problem with FCA are the uneducated families it attracts. Part of it also are the Catholic families who think sports is the most important thing on the planet.

Add them together and you get obnoxious parents on the sidelines. The only other parents who can compare are Madlax parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Part of the problem with FCA are the uneducated families it attracts. Part of it also are the Catholic families who think sports is the most important thing on the planet.

Add them together and you get obnoxious parents on the sidelines. The only other parents who can compare are Madlax parents.

Why point out the Catholics? I have seen just as many Jewish parents act like asses on the sidelines, though, I don't necessarily ask the jerk parent what their religion is.

More anti Catholic bigotry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Part of the problem with FCA are the uneducated families it attracts. Part of it also are the Catholic families who think sports is the most important thing on the planet.

Add them together and you get obnoxious parents on the sidelines. The only other parents who can compare are Madlax parents.

Who here wants to bet this guy is the biggest loudmouth tool parent on his son's team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Part of the problem with FCA are the uneducated families it attracts. Part of it also are the Catholic families who think sports is the most important thing on the planet.

Add them together and you get obnoxious parents on the sidelines. The only other parents who can compare are Madlax parents.

Why point out the Catholics? I have seen just as many Jewish parents act like asses on the sidelines, though, I don't necessarily ask the jerk parent what their religion is.

More anti Catholic bigotry.

You can cry about it, but it's true. From a young age, the Catholics in this area cluster together and every sporting event is life or death.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Part of the problem with FCA are the uneducated families it attracts. Part of it also are the Catholic families who think sports is the most important thing on the planet.

Add them together and you get obnoxious parents on the sidelines. The only other parents who can compare are Madlax parents.

Why point out the Catholics? I have seen just as many Jewish parents act like asses on the sidelines, though, I don't necessarily ask the jerk parent what their religion is.

More anti Catholic bigotry.

You can cry about it, but it's true. From a young age, the Catholics in this area cluster together and every sporting event is life or death.

so your son can't compete with the Catholic boys, or was you as child who couldn't compete? You are prejudiced! Bigotry has no place in sports especially youth sports!

Please try to be a better parent and raise you son to be nothing like you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Part of the problem with FCA are the uneducated families it attracts. Part of it also are the Catholic families who think sports is the most important thing on the planet.

Add them together and you get obnoxious parents on the sidelines. The only other parents who can compare are Madlax parents.

Why point out the Catholics? I have seen just as many Jewish parents act like asses on the sidelines, though, I don't necessarily ask the jerk parent what their religion is.

More anti Catholic bigotry.

You can cry about it, but it's true. From a young age, the Catholics in this area cluster together and every sporting event is life or death.

That's interesting. I'm Catholic. When I go to my kids games, unless the parents go to the same church or they are close friends, I have no idea what religion, much less denomination they are. Do you go up to the crazies and just ask what religion they are?

Holdbacks, now religion, love it. Soon, " He is not really your son!" Jerry, Jerry, Jerry,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Next lacrosse game I attend I am going up to all parents and asking 1) religion (because that is important in the game of lacrosse) 2) their child's age (so I can rationalize the loss) 3) income level (why not) and of course 4) education level..those factors seem important to the success of a lacrosse team. I will disregard red solo cups and drunken parents, because that is OK

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

FCA also move "AA" kids down to the "A" team for tournaments when "AA" isn't playing. They cheat just as bad as Crabs.

Who is in the HoCo league for 2020 AA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next lacrosse game I attend I am going up to all parents and asking 1) religion (because that is important in the game of lacrosse) 2) their child's age (so I can rationalize the loss) 3) income level (why not) and of course 4) education level..those factors seem important to the success of a lacrosse team. I will disregard red solo cups and drunken parents, because that is OK

1)religion only if they are a club (ahem) that spouts their foundation is Christian and then behave poorly. Is a mockery of Christian values
2)If you are cheating you are cheating - those on the receiving end of cheating do not have to rationalize anything. It is the holdback parents who constantly rationalize that it is okay to have kids 1-2 year older on the same field just so they can win.
3 & 4) Seems like education and income coincide with #2. Private school encourages holding back and the ability to afford private school (or pretend you can afford it) is directly proportional to income.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

So 1/3 of the team is holdbacks ... assuming a typical club team of about 20 kids, you're looking at SEVEN kids. SEVEN.

11 kids take the field. And you're talking about excuses?!? Well done.

You all take 8th grade lacrosse way to serious taking shots at people's character just to make yourself feel better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

Oh, ok, if you say so then it must be true. No one is looking for excuses, just the truth and not you or anyone from FCA will stand up and tell it. It is more than 3 or 4 and you know it. Remember religion is the backbone of your organization so set the example and give the correct information. No one on here is spreading rumors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

Oh, ok, if you say so then it must be true. No one is looking for excuses, just the truth and not you or anyone from FCA will stand up and tell it. It is more than 3 or 4 and you know it. Remember religion is the backbone of your organization so set the example and give the correct information. No one on here is spreading rumors.

What club does your son play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

Oh, ok, if you say so then it must be true. No one is looking for excuses, just the truth and not you or anyone from FCA will stand up and tell it. It is more than 3 or 4 and you know it. Remember religion is the backbone of your organization so set the example and give the correct information. No one on here is spreading rumors.

It is the truth and if I had the list of birthdays I would be sure to post them and show you it's only a few. Every top team in Maryland has a few older kids expect for crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Part of the problem with FCA are the uneducated families it attracts. Part of it also are the Catholic families who think sports is the most important thing on the planet.

Add them together and you get obnoxious parents on the sidelines. The only other parents who can compare are Madlax parents.

Why point out the Catholics? I have seen just as many Jewish parents act like asses on the sidelines, though, I don't necessarily ask the jerk parent what their religion is.

More anti Catholic bigotry.

You can cry about it, but it's true. From a young age, the Catholics in this area cluster together and every sporting event is life or death.

That's interesting. I'm Catholic. When I go to my kids games, unless the parents go to the same church or they are close friends, I have no idea what religion, much less denomination they are. Do you go up to the crazies and just ask what religion they are?

Ever been to a CYO basketball game? Or anything involving Mater Dei? LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

Oh, ok, if you say so then it must be true. No one is looking for excuses, just the truth and not you or anyone from FCA will stand up and tell it. It is more than 3 or 4 and you know it. Remember religion is the backbone of your organization so set the example and give the correct information. No one on here is spreading rumors.

What club does your son play for?

how are on FCA then? by position!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

And the questionable practice of some of FCA's 2020 AA's playing on the A team when the mood strikes them? Also figments of people's imagination?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

And the questionable practice of some of FCA's 2020 AA's playing on the A team when the mood strikes them? Also figments of people's imagination?

It was Fourth of July weekend and we didn't have enough players to field a team so chill

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

And the questionable practice of some of FCA's 2020 AA's playing on the A team when the mood strikes them? Also figments of people's imagination?

You're talking about the Crabs tournament when they were asked to fill a slot over 4th of July weekend and many of their kids couldn't play? Let's guess. Your kid was on Breakers now on T91. Your team picked up players for that weekend as well. One would assume the team signed up for young guns to play tough competition.Your son lost a game 6 months ago time to get over it. I'm sure he did. Team 91, Breakers (aloha) are corporations. BTW - my kids don't play for FCA. They have their fair share of chippy parents, summer holdbacks etc - just like 91, Breakers, Looneys, Crabs, Hawks , Roughriders, Green Turtle....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

And the questionable practice of some of FCA's 2020 AA's playing on the A team when the mood strikes them? Also figments of people's imagination?

It was Fourth of July weekend and we didn't have enough players to field a team so chill

And that makes it okay??? That must have been another time because we were not local that weekend.

The Howard County employees that started HOCO must have some interest in Private schools as why would this Howard County Lax league be grade base when every other Howard County Recreation League is age base. Howard County has no morals when it comes to youth sports. This is disgusting hidden behavior of government employees. Where is all the fairness and equality among the kids. This is another reason Lacrosse is becoming a joke among many due to adult behavior of gaming the system....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

And the questionable practice of some of FCA's 2020 AA's playing on the A team when the mood strikes them? Also figments of people's imagination?

It was Fourth of July weekend and we didn't have enough players to field a team so chill

I saw it happen during spring league play too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

Two thirds of the team is not holdbacks so stop spreading rumors. They have 1 kid who repeat for bad grades and 2 or 3 summer birthdays..... The kids that play down from 2019 are age appropriate so keep trying to find excuses

And the questionable practice of some of FCA's 2020 AA's playing on the A team when the mood strikes them? Also figments of people's imagination?

It was Fourth of July weekend and we didn't have enough players to field a team so chill

So that makes it ok to cheat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was Fourth of July weekend and we didn't have enough players to field a team so chill

The proper thing to do is forfeit. Next time your club should ensure enough kids are available for the tournament before paying for it. Sounds like bad management and coaching on FCA "A".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Howard County employees that started HOCO must have some interest in Private schools as why would this Howard County Lax league be grade base when every other Howard County Recreation League is age base. Howard County has no morals when it comes to youth sports. This is disgusting hidden behavior of government employees. Where is all the fairness and equality among the kids. This is another reason Lacrosse is becoming a joke among many due to adult behavior of gaming the system....

So why don't they do something about it? The HOCO league is not a rec league administered by the county but the county does control the fields. They don't have to rent to any league or private club. They could say rent only to age based teams and point to safety and insurance reasons for it. There isn't anything particularly special about a lacrosse league. Soccer would absorb those fields no problem. Other sports would as well. The club guys wil never listen. But the HOCO administration -- they work for you. They are elected or appointed employees of the county or state. I'm not sure it would make a difference because the club owners would just flip over to private school field rentals and charge more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Howard County employees that started HOCO must have some interest in Private schools as why would this Howard County Lax league be grade base when every other Howard County Recreation League is age base. Howard County has no morals when it comes to youth sports. This is disgusting hidden behavior of government employees. Where is all the fairness and equality among the kids. This is another reason Lacrosse is becoming a joke among many due to adult behavior of gaming the system....

It is all connected. The history, clubs that played in the league the initial year, connections of management to private schools, club relationships/friendships, who has a hold back etc. - there is no independence and what is best for the kids in the lacrosse world even for a County sponsored league and too many people trust these organizations to do what is right for the kids. They are afraid to stand up and refuse to be a participant in the nonsense or too connected to even recognize it as nonsense. This is their opportunity yet unless someone brings it up to the highest level of the County it will remain unchecked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Howard County employees that started HOCO must have some interest in Private schools as why would this Howard County Lax league be grade base when every other Howard County Recreation League is age base. Howard County has no morals when it comes to youth sports. This is disgusting hidden behavior of government employees. Where is all the fairness and equality among the kids. This is another reason Lacrosse is becoming a joke among many due to adult behavior of gaming the system....

HOCO is not a rec league. It is a club league. And last I checked, all clubs have teams by graduation year. So you want them to have a league based on age when all the clubs are structured by graduation?

Makes sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

FCA also move "AA" kids down to the "A" team for tournaments when "AA" isn't playing. They cheat just as bad as Crabs.

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

FCA also move "AA" kids down to the "A" team for tournaments when "AA" isn't playing. They cheat just as bad as Crabs.

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Who cares? A teams who show up to tournaments expecting balanced competition only to find that their opponents have brought in a bunch of ringers. Nobody gets better in a 17-3 game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Howard County employees that started HOCO must have some interest in Private schools as why would this Howard County Lax league be grade base when every other Howard County Recreation League is age base. Howard County has no morals when it comes to youth sports. This is disgusting hidden behavior of government employees. Where is all the fairness and equality among the kids. This is another reason Lacrosse is becoming a joke among many due to adult behavior of gaming the system....

HOCO is not a rec league. It is a club league. And last I checked, all clubs have teams by graduation year. So you want them to have a league based on age when all the clubs are structured by graduation?

Makes sense

No, it doesn't make any sense. You write as if the founding fathers of the country wrote to the British to declare freedom to do grade based teams. The grade based teams garbage can started less than 2 years ago. The two earlist movers were NPYLL/McClernan and HOCO. They both rushed to adopt grade based teams reasoning 'this way we can field more teams than the old U-9, U-11, U-13 and U-15. I'm still missing the part where doing more teams could not have meant a U-9, U-10, U-11, etc. system exactly like every other youth sport in our Maryland county.

But you are right about one thing; to the extent that club lacrosse is stubborn to remain the lower prep school division equivalent sport. That's fine. Families and kids can pick a lot of sports and more will just not choose lacrosse if it is just a protected sanctuary for private school kids. Lacrosse can then be what it really wants to be which is an insignificant off-the-run preppie sport like crew.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

FCA also move "AA" kids down to the "A" team for tournaments when "AA" isn't playing. They cheat just as bad as Crabs.

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Who cares? A teams who show up to tournaments expecting balanced competition only to find that their opponents have brought in a bunch of ringers. Nobody gets better in a 17-3 game.

Actually, you do get better. By playing sub par talent, you stay sub par. If those boys didn't come play for FCA it would have been a forfeit...would you rather a win by forfeit than test your skills and come out stronger in the end? Oh, wait...you probably voted for Obama

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Says the cheater

"AA" players shouldn't be moving down to "A". FCA shouldn't sure they have enough kids to play in tournaments. If they don't have enough players, the team should forfeit.

This is another failure of US lacrosse. They have no backbone to enforce age restrictions nor do they enforce talent level restrictions.

At the end of the day, FCA are just as much of an abortion as crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Says the cheater

"AA" players shouldn't be moving down to "A". FCA shouldn't sure they have enough kids to play in tournaments. If they don't have enough players, the team should forfeit.

This is another failure of US lacrosse. They have no backbone to enforce age restrictions nor do they enforce talent level restrictions.

At the end of the day, FCA are just as much of an abortion as crabs

Says the loser who is unhappy with his life.

Talent level restrictions????? Time for your son to find another sport...I feel badly for your son in the real world.."Daddy, it's not fair, he makes more than me! Can you complain to my boss".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Says the cheater

"AA" players shouldn't be moving down to "A". FCA shouldn't sure they have enough kids to play in tournaments. If they don't have enough players, the team should forfeit.

This is another failure of US lacrosse. They have no backbone to enforce age restrictions nor do they enforce talent level restrictions.

At the end of the day, FCA are just as much of an abortion as crabs

Says the loser who is unhappy with his life.

Talent level restrictions????? Time for your son to find another sport...I feel badly for your son in the real world.."Daddy, it's not fair, he makes more than me! Can you complain to my boss".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Says the cheater

"AA" players shouldn't be moving down to "A". FCA shouldn't sure they have enough kids to play in tournaments. If they don't have enough players, the team should forfeit.

This is another failure of US lacrosse. They have no backbone to enforce age restrictions nor do they enforce talent level restrictions.

At the end of the day, FCA are just as much of an abortion as crabs

You support cheating, I get it! You sucked athletically as a kid, so you want your kid to be the best on field weather being older or playing down a level. Other sports have talent level restrictions, Lax should as well.

Trust me, my boys will have no issue achieving success. They will do it on their own both on the field and in the classroom. I'm sure you had your kid stay back a year because they couldn't make the grade in the classroom or the field.

So if HoCo is all grad year and most boys with summer birthdays started K late, how are some tournaments, like Lax Splash, still U11, U13, etc? Or have most tournaments attended by clubs just gone to graduation years or added additional graduation year categories like the Beach or Hogan's?

The HOCO league was set up originally as a "pre-season" league because everyone knows the summer tournaments are the main season for club lacrosse. The league was set up to give teams a few good competitive games, which is why they spend so much care setting up the brackets for teams, in the spring and judge where their team is before tournaments start. That is why the league goes by grade divisions and NCAA rules. If the local tournament directors got together and said that they wanted to do age brackets and NFHS rules, I am sure HOCO would listen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HOCO league was set up originally as a "pre-season" league because everyone knows the summer tournaments are the main season for club lacrosse. The league was set up to give teams a few good competitive games, which is why they spend so much care setting up the brackets for teams, in the spring and judge where their team is before tournaments start. That is why the league goes by grade divisions and NCAA rules. If the local tournament directors got together and said that they wanted to do age brackets and NFHS rules, I am sure HOCO would listen

Somebody has to take the first step to correcting the mess that lacrosse has become and HoCo with their claim to put youth first is currently in the best position to do it since they have a monopoly on all the clubs in Maryland right now. If HoCo put a June 1st date in like some tournaments have, that would be showing support for the tournaments that have taken that first step. There is no valid reason HoCo should not do this unless they have a vested interest in keeping certain Club owners (RM - Crabs tourneys. Hawks - Hogan Tourneys Breakers - Aloha tourneys) happy. In the end there is no room for vested interests in a COUNTY GOVERNMENT sponsored league. Do the right thing and put the age restriction by grade like other tournaments have done and begin to correct what HoCo helped break. Why does HoCo feel the need to wait for others to tell them to do what is right? They will still be preparing legitimate grade based teams (with a sprinkling of summer birthdays for the summer for kids who were not held back) but instead are buckling under the pressure of their own vested interests and that of other clubs who promote these holdbacks. Howard County as an entity has no allegiance to the private schools so why are they bending to them? They should have no motive to make a profit so why not turn away those that manipulate the system? Their own school district (which they share elected officials with) say that students can not hold back for non academic reasons and need special permission to enter kindergarten late yet Hoco is agreeing to allow these kids in their program. This is the organization that requires those of us who play football to prove age and get id cards and used to force their travel teams to get id cards - what gives?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

Says the cheater

"AA" players shouldn't be moving down to "A". FCA shouldn't sure they have enough kids to play in tournaments. If they don't have enough players, the team should forfeit.

This is another failure of US lacrosse. They have no backbone to enforce age restrictions nor do they enforce talent level restrictions.

At the end of the day, FCA are just as much of an abortion as crabs

Says the loser who is unhappy with his life.

Talent level restrictions????? Time for your son to find another sport...I feel badly for your son in the real world.."Daddy, it's not fair, he makes more than me! Can you complain to my boss".

are you serious?!? Most legitimate firms would not hire your son as his character would already be in question if they knew he made a habit of playing with less talented kids in order to let his team win. If you really believe what you say, you should have forfeited the game, asked the other coach permission to play the kids for the fun of it and not impact the results of the tournament that those kids did not belong in. Stop trying to tell yourself you did the other team a favor by making them play tougher competition. You wanted one thing - to win at any cost. If you are so proud of it, put it on the kids resume in big bold letters that he cheats and see who is calling their daddy. You must be proud. As a side note, your team does this regularly depending on who is playing what weekend.

Who cares? A teams who show up to tournaments expecting balanced competition only to find that their opponents have brought in a bunch of ringers. Nobody gets better in a 17-3 game.
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Actually, you do get better. By playing sub par talent, you stay sub par. If those boys didn't come play for FCA it would have been a forfeit...would you rather a win by forfeit than test your skills and come out stronger in the end? Oh, wait...you probably voted for Obama [/quote]

Rationalizing your wrong actions as a club/team does not make them right. If the kids wanted to play tougher competition, they would have registered AA. You should not take it upon yourself to give them what they did not ask for simply because you could not field a team- arrogance at it's best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA moves 3-4 players from the 2020 team to the 2019 team...you are mistaken. The boys are grade based 2020 players.

Those kids play for the 2019 team because they are holdbacks who 1 year+ older than most 2020 kids. At least tell the truth about their ages.

You are absolutely correct, they are members of FCA 2019 team and they are moved to FCA's 2020 team when needed. And... there are many more than 4 or 5 players, it is close to two thirds of the team, if not more.

FCA also move "AA" kids down to the "A" team for tournaments when "AA" isn't playing. They cheat just as bad as Crabs.

Who cares if they move kids down to "A" bracket? You should be glad your son is getting tested against better talent. Maybe one day he will be able top move out of the "A" bracket. Winning tournaments don't matter at that age. Also, kids were moved because of a shortage of players

maybe one day FCA parents will realize they are just as arrogant as Crabs.

If your sons team cant field a team for a tournament the parents knew about months in advance then that speaks volumes for the commitment the parent and kids of FCA White have. Maybe they aren't happy with the club or the coaches, don't know, but if you cant field a team in the proper division pull out from the tournament, or forfeit the games.

They have 3 players who play on both 2019 and 2020 are non hold back, age appropriate 8th graders who have played up from the beginning. all 3 are pretty good players who show well on both 2019 and 2020 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have 3 players who play on both 2019 and 2020 are non hold back, age appropriate 8th graders who have played up from the beginning. all 3 are pretty good players who show well on both 2019 and 2020 teams.

How many are pre-first? The goalie and who else?

By age appropriate 8th graders; they were born after what month in 2001

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By age appropriate 8th graders; they were born after what month in 2001

January

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By age appropriate 8th graders; they were born after what month in 2001

January

Use the Maryland school date of August 31st or the more generous World Series of Lacrosse June 1st date but do something instead of making excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By age appropriate 8th graders; they were born after what month in 2001

January

January 2001 birthday in about 35-40 states would be a 9th grader, Maryland is one of them.

Has anyone seen the roster rules for Hoco yet? Are they silent on age restrictions by grade? How about that kids have to play on the team they are rostered on and not be switching between teams and/or have any guest players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By age appropriate 8th graders; they were born after what month in 2001

January

January 2001 birthday in about 35-40 states would be a 9th grader, Maryland is one of them.

It's the Howard County league - follow Howard County age cutoffs - oh wait - they are still stuck in U13, U11, U9 - no help there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

I'm not. My aon wasn't heldback and he's playing in college now. It's not worth throwing a fit over something that has changed. But keep talking like a drama queen.

the goalie didn't attend pre first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the goalie didn't attend pre first.

he is just older and started school later than the other kids his age? He is born before 9/1/2001!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

Stop already. My son is age/grade appropriate. It really doesn't bother me...adapt and overcome. College coaches don't care, why should you? Move on or have your son pick up chess

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

Stop already. My son is age/grade appropriate. It really doesn't bother me...adapt and overcome. College coaches don't care, why should you? Move on or have your son pick up chess

none of these kids are college players yet, why would the college coaches care. You support and enable clubs to cheat, you are just as guilty.

If the rules are grade based and not age based, you are the dummy yelling about cheating when no rules are being broken.

Good piont

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

Stop already. My son is age/grade appropriate. It really doesn't bother me...adapt and overcome. College coaches don't care, why should you? Move on or have your son pick up chess

Such a tough guy. Just because it doesn't bother you, it does bother the greater majority. It is not all about college - it is about teaching kids fair play, sportsmanship and right from wrong. Taking advantage of peers and manipulating the rules is not okay. Having the kids who are doing the right thing play against those who are manipulating the system just to win IS an issue on many levels and often times the size difference in youth lacrosse during the middle school years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the rules are grade based and not age based, you are the dummy yelling about cheating when no rules are being broken.

Integrity...get some!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the rules are grade based and not age based, you are the dummy yelling about cheating when no rules are being broken.

When the grade based rules were established no reasonable person could have realized how low some parents would go in order to win and give their kid an advantage. Well, maybe nobody except RM who pushed so hard for it and then immediately filled his teams with hold backs and then others followed. Now is the time to stand up and say "we broke it" and fix it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

I'm not. My aon wasn't heldback and he's playing in college now. It's not worth throwing a fit over something that has changed. But keep talking like a drama queen.

Still hanging out on the youth boards and slinging insults? If your son is not dealing with the issue than it is really easy for you to throw out insults at those who watch it happen regularly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By age appropriate 8th graders; they were born after what month in 2001

January

January 2001 birthday in about 35-40 states would be a 9th grader, Maryland is one of them.

It's the Howard County league - follow Howard County age cutoffs - oh wait - they are still stuck in U13, U11, U9 - no help there.

I am sure their County Executive would be interested to know what their youth sports division is up to and how their practices and treatment of age and fair competition are different across the board and do not adhere to their public school age guidelines. No other sport would they allow this-must be someone on the inside who supports the practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

I'm not. My aon wasn't heldback and he's playing in college now. It's not worth throwing a fit over something that has changed. But keep talking like a drama queen.

Still hanging out on the youth boards and slinging insults? If your son is not dealing with the issue than it is really easy for you to throw out insults at those who watch it happen regularly.

You are a totally woman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

Stop already. My son is age/grade appropriate. It really doesn't bother me...adapt and overcome. College coaches don't care, why should you? Move on or have your son pick up chess

none of these kids are college players yet, why would the college coaches care. You support and enable clubs to cheat, you are just as guilty.

Sadly, what kid (or their parents) does not see a 2020 kid get a commitment and think that it is only a year or two away. The years for challenging their kids to improve are over and the years for demonstrating dominance are here. Thanks NCAA (and Syracuse)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

Stop already. My son is age/grade appropriate. It really doesn't bother me...adapt and overcome. College coaches don't care, why should you? Move on or have your son pick up chess

none of these kids are college players yet, why would the college coaches care. You support and enable clubs to cheat, you are just as guilty.

Sadly, what kid (or their parents) does not see a 2020 kid get a commitment and think that it is only a year or two away. The years for challenging their kids to improve are over and the years for demonstrating dominance are here. Thanks NCAA (and Syracuse)

What type of parent truly believes commiting in 9th or 10th grade is a good idea?

If your kid is that good and goes unrecruitrd he will be a walk on and get his books paid for like the others.

12.6 scholarships for a D I program. 40 or so on the roster. Do the math, and put some $ in a SAT prep class along with those Lax camps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't you guys have better things to do than worry about what month constitutes an age cutoff (when we're talking about grade based teams)?

Although you would never admit it, you must be the parent of a holdback or on a team gaining an advantage from holdbacks. We should ask you if you have nothing better to do than manipulate a youth lacrosse game.

Stop already. My son is age/grade appropriate. It really doesn't bother me...adapt and overcome. College coaches don't care, why should you? Move on or have your son pick up chess

none of these kids are college players yet, why would the college coaches care. You support and enable clubs to cheat, you are just as guilty.

Sadly, what kid (or their parents) does not see a 2020 kid get a commitment and think that it is only a year or two away. The years for challenging their kids to improve are over and the years for demonstrating dominance are here. Thanks NCAA (and Syracuse)

What type of parent truly believes commiting in 9th or 10th grade is a good idea?

If your kid is that good and goes unrecruitrd he will be a walk on and get his books paid for like the others.

Good luck with that walk-on thing. It works so well. Coaches leave plenty of room for walk ons!

I think what he means is if you are not getting sports money at all you are a walk on. Some walk ons are invited to play for the team but without money you are a walk on.

Cant walk on - if you don't get accepted into the school..... the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into - if not for being on the Coach's Recruit List.....

"the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into"

BINGO!!!!!

Study more so you can get into school. No money in Lax unless you fleece parents of young children with dreams of getting into college and run tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Study more so you can get into school. No money in Lax unless you fleece parents of young children with dreams of getting into college and run tournaments.

Based upon your sentence structure, you should study more...that being said, If one can leverage lacrosse to help get into a better school, one should do so. This is the land of opportunity. If a solid B student can leverage his athleticism to get into a "reach' school, why not? Schools look for a well rounded student body. Some leverage musical instruments, some with a particular major and some use athletics. No excuses, make the most out of what God gave you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into"

BINGO!!!!!

But it should be done without manipulating the rules. holding bac and creating advantages for your child at the expense of others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant walk on - if you don't get accepted into the school..... the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into - if not for being on the Coach's Recruit List.....

As a parent of a kid who was not recruited, did get into a selective college and did walk on for lacrosse at a ranked D1 program I respectfully disagree.

Another point is if there is a selective school a kid would otherwise not get into, then that same kid shouldn't merit admission. If a kid DOES meet the academic criteria to apply and get into a selective college, then applies to 8 and gets into 2-3...that's how it goes. It is a fair point that only a sports hook can ensure a kid gets into the specific first choice. But a top student will have top choices.

If a stud lacrosse recruit DOES NOT meet the academic criteria to apply to several selective colleges and have any hope to get admitted to one, I'd agree that being a recruit is critical. I'd also make the point those same kids don't belong at selective colleges. They are taking spots away from applicants immensely more qualified, and I don't buy the 'lacrosse adds diversity' to the college community bullcrap. After having a son go through an Ivy and graduate last year I could count at least a few lax bros who were a waste of an Ivy opportunity. I believe that as the sport grows the selective colleges will have more conflicts with coaches who recruit down the academic food chain. Lacrosse is a demographic with enough great players who are also great students. It isn't like lacrosse is making any money as a property for colleges either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant walk on - if you don't get accepted into the school..... the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into - if not for being on the Coach's Recruit List.....

As a parent of a kid who was not recruited, did get into a selective college and did walk on for lacrosse at a ranked D1 program I respectfully disagree.

Another point is if there is a selective school a kid would otherwise not get into, then that same kid shouldn't merit admission. If a kid DOES meet the academic criteria to apply and get into a selective college, then applies to 8 and gets into 2-3...that's how it goes. It is a fair point that only a sports hook can ensure a kid gets into the specific first choice. But a top student will have top choices.

If a stud lacrosse recruit DOES NOT meet the academic criteria to apply to several selective colleges and have any hope to get admitted to one, I'd agree that being a recruit is critical. I'd also make the point those same kids don't belong at selective colleges. They are taking spots away from applicants immensely more qualified, and I don't buy the 'lacrosse adds diversity' to the college community bullcrap. After having a son go through an Ivy and graduate last year I could count at least a few lax bros who were a waste of an Ivy opportunity. I believe that as the sport grows the selective colleges will have more conflicts with coaches who recruit down the academic food chain. Lacrosse is a demographic with enough great players who are also great students. It isn't like lacrosse is making any money as a property for colleges either.

That is not how colleges approach the admissions process. Academics do come first but a college is looking for a diverse student body. Athletics, majors, various talents and most importantly, academics factor into the admissions process. Schools need to fill certain majors. Schools need band members that play the clarinet. Schools need athletes. Schools need diversity. You are ignorant to say lacrosse doesn't add to diversity. All sports add to diversity as do actors, dancers, etc...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Study more so you can get into school. No money in Lax unless you fleece parents of young children with dreams of getting into college and run tournaments.

Based upon your sentence structure, you should study more...that being said, If one can leverage lacrosse to help get into a better school, one should do so. This is the land of opportunity. If a solid B student can leverage his athleticism to get into a "reach' school, why not? Schools look for a well rounded student body. Some leverage musical instruments, some with a particular major and some use athletics. No excuses, make the most out of what God gave you!

If he is a B student he may fail out of the reach school as he is not academically qualified and waste your money. Put playing a D1 sport, which is a full time job, along with going to school full time and that is a receipt for success. LOL This is the same reason why quotas for admission are actually regressive and lead to higher fail/drop out rates as unqualified students get into school that are too rigorous for their ability.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Study more so you can get into school. No money in Lax unless you fleece parents of young children with dreams of getting into college and run tournaments.

Based upon your sentence structure, you should study more...that being said, If one can leverage lacrosse to help get into a better school, one should do so. This is the land of opportunity. If a solid B student can leverage his athleticism to get into a "reach' school, why not? Schools look for a well rounded student body. Some leverage musical instruments, some with a particular major and some use athletics. No excuses, make the most out of what God gave you!

If he is a B student he may fail out of the reach school as he is not academically qualified and waste your money. Put playing a D1 sport, which is a full time job, along with going to school full time and that is a receipt for success. LOL This is the same reason why quotas for admission are actually regressive and lead to higher fail/drop out rates as unqualified students get into school that are too rigorous for their ability.

Just say what you want to say you want the school to be filled with White private school kids [lacrosse] with giving anyone a chance at this great school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Study more so you can get into school. No money in Lax unless you fleece parents of young children with dreams of getting into college and run tournaments.

Based upon your sentence structure, you should study more...that being said, If one can leverage lacrosse to help get into a better school, one should do so. This is the land of opportunity. If a solid B student can leverage his athleticism to get into a "reach' school, why not? Schools look for a well rounded student body. Some leverage musical instruments, some with a particular major and some use athletics. No excuses, make the most out of what God gave you!

If he is a B student he may fail out of the reach school as he is not academically qualified and waste your money. Put playing a D1 sport, which is a full time job, along with going to school full time and that is a receipt for success. LOL This is the same reason why quotas for admission are actually regressive and lead to higher fail/drop out rates as unqualified students get into school that are too rigorous for their ability.

Just say what you want to say you want the school to be filled with White private school kids [lacrosse] with giving anyone a chance at this great school.

You are assuming only white private school kids are smart. I know many white private school kids that are dumb as rocks. They are great athletes but still should not go to Hopkins. Love the culture of victimization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just say what you want to say you want the school to be filled with White private school kids [lacrosse] with giving anyone a chance at this great school.

Stop being racist! You liberal progressive people want everything handed to you, try earning it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Study more so you can get into school. No money in Lax unless you fleece parents of young children with dreams of getting into college and run tournaments.

Based upon your sentence structure, you should study more...that being said, If one can leverage lacrosse to help get into a better school, one should do so. This is the land of opportunity. If a solid B student can leverage his athleticism to get into a "reach' school, why not? Schools look for a well rounded student body. Some leverage musical instruments, some with a particular major and some use athletics. No excuses, make the most out of what God gave you!

If he is a B student he may fail out of the reach school as he is not academically qualified and waste your money. Put playing a D1 sport, which is a full time job, along with going to school full time and that is a receipt for success. LOL This is the same reason why quotas for admission are actually regressive and lead to higher fail/drop out rates as unqualified students get into school that are too rigorous for their ability.

Just say what you want to say you want the school to be filled with White private school kids [lacrosse] with giving anyone a chance at this great school.

The above writer is what is wrong with America today! You want a chance, earn it. Many "white private school kids" have 2 working parents earning a living so their child can attend a school. Others sit back and collect from Obama, do nothing and expect everything. Too much apologizing today, to many entitlements...I don't make a ton of $, but I do what I can to make my child's future better than I had. Too many people on this board making excuses for their kids, whether it be re-classing, private schools or paying for better access to schools.

wow. reading this thread is amazing. you know the topic is the Hoco YOUTH lacrosse league? How we got to charges of racism and references to Obama is beyond me.

And I can't believe this went unchallenged --

"the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into"

The point of kids playing lacrosse or any other sport is NOT or shouldn't be a vehicle to get into selective colleges, scholarships or pro careers. It should be because it's fun, they get exercise, make friends and learn life lessons they can apply beyond the playing field. Our kids are not entitled to admittance to their "reach" schools just because they are decent at lacrosse. It helps for some and good for them. Just like the even smaller number that get scholarship $. Playing this great game doesn't need an end game, especially when we us parents are the ones with agendas. Leads to all kinds of BS that sucks the life right out of the sport and feeds the money machine. Let the kids play.

So which 2020 teams are fielding a AA team in Hoco this year?

Spot On! I hate how once the kids hit the HS level it is all about what the college coaches think! Who cares what they think? Enjoy the game, for most of the kids it will be over for them after the high years anyway. Prospect days, showcase events, pricey club fees, etc. To possibly receive a reduction of $10,000 at a school that costs $40,000 to $60,000! Winner, winner chicken dinner!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So which 2020 teams are fielding a AA team in Hoco this year?

If all NYPLL teams join -

for sure:
Team 91 Force
FCA Blue
Looneys Orange
Crabs
Hawks

You would think-
Club Blue
Madlax
Bethesda
T91 Platinum (they've billed themselves as AA)
Roughriders
Thunder
Next Level
Cannons
MDX

Probably not-

Koopers
FCA White
Laxworld
Rock
Looneys green
Breakers
VLC
Hawks black
Diamondbacks

Probably missing some

There's a whole bunch of others to make a 3rd division. Will be interesting to see if teams in that second tier challenge themselves in AA or go for trophy in A.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow. reading this thread is amazing. you know the topic is the Hoco YOUTH lacrosse league? How we got to charges of racism and references to Obama is beyond me.

And I can't believe this went unchallenged --

"the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into"

The point of kids playing lacrosse or any other sport is NOT or shouldn't be a vehicle to get into selective colleges, scholarships or pro careers. It should be because it's fun, they get exercise, make friends and learn life lessons they can apply beyond the playing field. Our kids are not entitled to admittance to their "reach" schools just because they are decent at lacrosse. It helps for some and good for them. Just like the even smaller number that get scholarship $. Playing this great game doesn't need an end game, especially when we us parents are the ones with agendas. Leads to all kinds of BS that sucks the life right out of the sport and feeds the money machine. Let the kids play.

And how about if your son loves lacrosse AND was able to attend a reach school because of his ability? He plays for the love of the game but benefited from his talents. If at any time he said he was done with lacrosse, I would have had no problem if he walked away. Seems some expect an apology because it worked for some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow. reading this thread is amazing. you know the topic is the Hoco YOUTH lacrosse league? How we got to charges of racism and references to Obama is beyond me.

And I can't believe this went unchallenged --

"the point of all of this should be getting into a school you would not otherwise be able to get into"

The point of kids playing lacrosse or any other sport is NOT or shouldn't be a vehicle to get into selective colleges, scholarships or pro careers. It should be because it's fun, they get exercise, make friends and learn life lessons they can apply beyond the playing field. Our kids are not entitled to admittance to their "reach" schools just because they are decent at lacrosse. It helps for some and good for them. Just like the even smaller number that get scholarship $. Playing this great game doesn't need an end game, especially when we us parents are the ones with agendas. Leads to all kinds of BS that sucks the life right out of the sport and feeds the money machine. Let the kids play.

And how about if your son loves lacrosse AND was able to attend a reach school because of his ability? He plays for the love of the game but benefited from his talents. If at any time he said he was done with lacrosse, I would have had no problem if he walked away. Seems some expect an apology because it worked for some.

That's great. Not sure where you get expecting apology from above. Sounds likes his passion for lacrosse maximized his abilities and resulted in being recruited to play lacrosse at a great school. They way it should work. Congratulations to him.

It can work for some but the people on this blog seem to emphasize LAX skill over book smarts. If you get into a reach school but you are not equipped for the rigorous academic environment, your lax skills will not matter. Now if you played football that is a different story. Most good football schools are not academically challenging or if they are the football players are criminal justice majors or sociology majors. My roommate was a football player at a D1 school that was academically challenging. Criminal justice major, drafted by the Maimi dolphins, did not finish his degree, jump over a pile in preseason, knee buckled and he was cut. I think he is a bouncer now or a truck driver at age 46.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is a fair point that only a sports hook can ensure a kid gets into the specific first choice.

Now, in my mind, that's the point. At a lot of top schools, even top state schools, there are a lot more qualified (i.e., scores and grades are near average for admits) students being denied admission than there are students being admitted. Obviously, this is partially a factor of top students applying to 15-20 schools, turning it all into a crap shoot.

I agree I would not want my kid to get a sports bump of a magnitude that put him or her in the bottom third of the class in terms of grades and scores. That's not to say that's not a good thing for many kids, just not what I would want for mine.

Back on topic, I think it's great to have all the DMV clubs in one league. Will they ever add midweek games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It can work for some but the people on this blog seem to emphasize LAX skill over book smarts. If you get into a reach school but you are not equipped for the rigorous academic environment, your lax skills will not matter. Now if you played football that is a different story. Most good football schools are not academically challenging or if they are the football players are criminal justice majors or sociology majors. My roommate was a football player at a D1 school that was academically challenging. Criminal justice major, drafted by the Maimi dolphins, did not finish his degree, jump over a pile in preseason, knee buckled and he was cut. I think he is a bouncer now or a truck driver at age 46.

Hey, I know some teamster truck drivers that make a VERY lucrative living.. don't judge!!!

What 2021 AA teams will be in the "new" HoCo? NYPLL/HoCo Combo.?

Who are the perceived rankings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 2021 AA teams will be in the "new" HoCo? NYPLL/HoCo Combo.?

Who are the perceived rankings?

The answer is every travel team out there. With these two coming together. What clubs could be playing else where. And why would they.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So which 2020 teams are fielding a AA team in Hoco this year?

If all NYPLL teams join -

for sure:
Team 91 Force
FCA Blue
Looneys Orange
Crabs
Hawks

You would think-
Club Blue
Madlax
Bethesda
T91 Platinum (they've billed themselves as AA)
Roughriders
Thunder
Next Level
Cannons
MDX

Probably not-

Koopers
FCA White
Laxworld
Rock
Looneys green
Breakers
VLC
Hawks black
Diamondbacks

Probably missing some

There's a whole bunch of others to make a 3rd division. Will be interesting to see if teams in that second tier challenge themselves in AA or go for trophy in A.

This is a terrible list. There are several teams you listed as "you would think" that have no business playing at the highest level. There is also at least one team listed as "probably not" that absolutely would/should be competitive at the highest level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So which 2020 teams are fielding a AA team in Hoco this year?

If all NYPLL teams join -

for sure:
Team 91 Force
FCA Blue
Looneys Orange
Crabs
Hawks

You would think-
Club Blue
Madlax
Bethesda
T91 Platinum (they've billed themselves as AA)
Roughriders
Thunder
Next Level
Cannons
MDX

Probably not-

Koopers
FCA White
Laxworld
Rock
Looneys green
Breakers
VLC
Hawks black
Diamondbacks

Probably missing some

There's a whole bunch of others to make a 3rd division. Will be interesting to see if teams in that second tier challenge themselves in AA or go for trophy in A.

This is a terrible list. There are several teams you listed as "you would think" that have no business playing at the highest level. There is also at least one team listed as "probably not" that absolutely would/should be competitive at the highest level.

Which of the "probably not" group could play AA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So which 2020 teams are fielding a AA team in Hoco this year?

If all NYPLL teams join -

for sure:
Team 91 Force
FCA Blue
Looneys Orange
Crabs
Hawks

You would think-
Club Blue
Madlax
Bethesda
T91 Platinum (they've billed themselves as AA)
Roughriders
Thunder
Next Level
Cannons
MDX

Probably not-

Koopers
FCA White
Laxworld
Rock
Looneys green
Breakers
VLC
Hawks black
Diamondbacks

Probably missing some

There's a whole bunch of others to make a 3rd division. Will be interesting to see if teams in that second tier challenge themselves in AA or go for trophy in A.

This is a terrible list. There are several teams you listed as "you would think" that have no business playing at the highest level. There is also at least one team listed as "probably not" that absolutely would/should be competitive at the highest level.

Which of the "probably not" group could play AA?

None.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So which 2020 teams are fielding a AA team in Hoco this year?

If all NYPLL teams join -

for sure:
Team 91 Force
FCA Blue
Looneys Orange
Crabs
Hawks

You would think-
Club Blue
Madlax
Bethesda
T91 Platinum (they've billed themselves as AA)
Roughriders
Thunder
Next Level
Cannons
MDX

Probably not-

Koopers
FCA White
Laxworld
Rock
Looneys green
Breakers
VLC
Hawks black
Diamondbacks

Probably missing some

There's a whole bunch of others to make a 3rd division. Will be interesting to see if teams in that second tier challenge themselves in AA or go for trophy in A.

This is a terrible list. There are several teams you listed as "you would think" that have no business playing at the highest level. There is also at least one team listed as "probably not" that absolutely would/should be competitive at the highest level.

Which of the "probably not" group could play AA?

None.

Cannons, MDX and Roughriders definitely don't belong in the AA. Depending on the number of teams, Madlax barely belongs on that list. Their 2020 and 2021 teams are really bad.

2021: Crabs, Bethesda, Hawks, Green Turtle, Koopers

These are AA Teams - hopefully some additional Clubs will step up too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So which 2020 teams are fielding a AA team in Hoco this year?

If all NYPLL teams join -

for sure:
Team 91 Force
FCA Blue
Looneys Orange
Crabs
Hawks

You would think-
Club Blue
Madlax
Bethesda
T91 Platinum (they've billed themselves as AA)
Roughriders
Thunder
Next Level
Cannons
MDX

Probably not-

Koopers
FCA White
Laxworld
Rock
Looneys green
Breakers
VLC
Hawks black
Diamondbacks

Probably missing some

There's a whole bunch of others to make a 3rd division. Will be interesting to see if teams in that second tier challenge themselves in AA or go for trophy in A.

This is a terrible list. There are several teams you listed as "you would think" that have no business playing at the highest level. There is also at least one team listed as "probably not" that absolutely would/should be competitive at the highest level.

Which of the "probably not" group could play AA?

None.

Cannons, MDX and Roughriders definitely don't belong in the AA. Depending on the number of teams, Madlax barely belongs on that list. Their 2020 and 2021 teams are really bad.

Thunder doesn't belong on "AA", they struggles with FCA White and Looney Green.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thunder doesn't belong on "AA", they struggles with FCA White and Looney Green.

Never even heard of a club called Thunder in this area. Some of those teams are not competitive. Terrible list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thunder doesn't belong on "AA", they struggles with FCA White and Looney Green.

Never even heard of a club called Thunder in this area. Some of those teams are not competitive. Terrible list.

Out of Harford County, associated with Mavericks. I think they both merged and now are Upper Chesapeake

2021 Crabs can't hold a candle to Koopers and Green Turtle 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Crabs can't hold a candle to Koopers and Green Turtle 2021.

That's funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Crabs can't hold a candle to Koopers and Green Turtle 2021.

That's funny

I believe that the last tournament with all 3 had Koopers vs Green Turtle in the finals.

My guess at the 2022 AA teams would be in no particular order:
Cannons, Team 91 (Old Breakers), Madlax, Hawks, Crabs, Bethesda, Diamondbacks, Rough Riders, FCA, 3D

My guess at the A division would be Club Blue, Next Level, Storm, Mavericks (Old Thunder), Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, Lax World, Greene Turtle, Sidewinders

For B & C - who knows.

Having seen most of these 2022 teams play, I think the competition will be great. I hope the kids get to know each other. They will be playing against each other for at least the next six years with club and high school. The parents should take the opportunity to get to know the other parents. I think they will realize just how similar they are. Maybe familiarity will cut down on some of the vitriol on boards like this; although I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Crabs can't hold a candle to Koopers and Green Turtle 2021.

Only until Crabs do their 8th grade shuffle for the 2021 next year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 Crabs can't hold a candle to Koopers and Green Turtle 2021.

Only until Crabs do their 8th grade shuffle for the 2021 next year

It will happen this summer, same as it did last summer. Eighth graders who are repeating the grade will be playing on the 2021 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Having seen most of these 2022 teams play, I think the competition will be great. I hope the kids get to know each other. They will be playing against each other for at least the next six years with club and high school. The parents should take the opportunity to get to know the other parents. I think they will realize just how similar they are. Maybe familiarity will cut down on some of the vitriol on boards like this; although I doubt it.

I think the area 2022 coaches are bringing all the area teams together in a good way. They have lined up many friendly scrimmages. The parents are getting to know each other and support each other's kids. Lacrosse is a great sport to bring people together... even when fighting for the same trophy.

The issue with the clubs in MD is that the people that run the clubs rub people the wrong way. Most people feel MM at 91 is a flaming [lacrosse]. People have similar feeling towards RM. Most everyone has the same feeling about FCA and the Kellys.

For the most part, parents love the club their kid plays for and loathe the others.

I have kids on 2 different clubs and I get along with both. But I don't think that is typical

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue with the clubs in MD is that the people that run the clubs rub people the wrong way. Most people feel MM at 91 is a flaming [lacrosse]. People have similar feeling towards RM. Most everyone has the same feeling about FCA and the Kellys.

For the most part, parents love the club their kid plays for and loathe the others.

I have kids on 2 different clubs and I get along with both. But I don't think that is typical

Is there anyone in Lacrosse that most people like??? Or is Lacrosse just full of pompous aho^*'s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue with the clubs in MD is that the people that run the clubs rub people the wrong way. Most people feel MM at 91 is a flaming [lacrosse]. People have similar feeling towards RM. Most everyone has the same feeling about FCA and the Kellys.

For the most part, parents love the club their kid plays for and loathe the others.

I have kids on 2 different clubs and I get along with both. But I don't think that is typical

Say what you want about the Kelly's and MM but they clearly know what they are doing and offer the best training to youth lacrosse players. Just because you would not want to be friends or hang out with them, doesn't mean you don't want your kids learning from them. RM on the other hand has no talent and is not a great teacher of the game or ethics.. Businessman yes, but exploits kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue with the clubs in MD is that the people that run the clubs rub people the wrong way. Most people feel MM at 91 is a flaming [lacrosse]. People have similar feeling towards RM. Most everyone has the same feeling about FCA and the Kellys.

For the most part, parents love the club their kid plays for and loathe the others.

I have kids on 2 different clubs and I get along with both. But I don't think that is typical

Is there anyone in Lacrosse that most people like??? Or is Lacrosse just full of pompous aho^*'s

Full of self entitled, pompous a-holes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue with the clubs in MD is that the people that run the clubs rub people the wrong way. Most people feel MM at 91 is a flaming [lacrosse]. People have similar feeling towards RM. Most everyone has the same feeling about FCA and the Kellys.

For the most part, parents love the club their kid plays for and loathe the others.

I have kids on 2 different clubs and I get along with both. But I don't think that is typical

Is there anyone in Lacrosse that most people like??? Or is Lacrosse just full of pompous aho^*'s

Full of self entitled, pompous a-holes

Most Lacrosse people are great people. It's just that the pompous aholes are the loudest and demand the most attention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The issue with the clubs in MD is that the people that run the clubs rub people the wrong way. Most people feel MM at 91 is a flaming [lacrosse]. People have similar feeling towards RM. Most everyone has the same feeling about FCA and the Kellys.

For the most part, parents love the club their kid plays for and loathe the others.

I have kids on 2 different clubs and I get along with both. But I don't think that is typical

Is there anyone in Lacrosse that most people like??? Or is Lacrosse just full of pompous aho^*'s

Full of self entitled, pompous a-holes

Most Lacrosse people are great people. It's just that the pompous aholes are the loudest and demand the most attention.

Pretty much this.

When can we expect to see the division breakdowns and schedules?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When can we expect to see the division breakdowns and schedules?

Obviously new to HOCO. Probably not until the week before the games start

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When can we expect to see the division breakdowns and schedules?

Obviously new to HOCO. Probably not until the week before the games start

No more like by end of first week of games.

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

Crabs wins it.

Agree. To say crabs doesn't have good coaching is funny

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs wins it. [/quote

If Crabs do win it, only because they have a 2019 team playing in a 2020 league. And what the prior poster stated about Ryan M's coaching ability, he has none, thus the need for all the "older" players. He likes having 15 and a few (by this summer) 16 year olds playing against 13 year olds. Makes him feel like he is a great coach.

Keep crying. Crabs were the best when it was age based as well. Sorry that 4 kids who reclassed to 2020 threatens you so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

FCA has more than 2. Looney has more than 1-2. Rising Sons has their kids' birthdates on the website. Depending on how you define holdback they could have 2 or 5. Know nothing about Hawks.

Crabs with 4 reclassified shows you are clueless about 2020 team. 4 multiplied by 3. I know first hand FCA and Loonies only have 1-2 but Crabs parents feel better about their cheating by telling themselves all other teams have same number of hold backs. Go watch crab coaching staff a game against good competition. It's a mess on sideline. All you'll hear the whole time is " get the ball to blank or blank "... 2 oldest kids on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying. Crabs were the best when it was age based as well. Sorry that 4 kids who reclassed to 2020 threatens you so much.

No one is crying about this nor is anyone threaten by this, so you say, 4 holdbacks. Crabs had an one age 2020 team last summer at Vail and they were beaten badly. Crabs has more than 4 holdbacks, the Crabs organization leads most every age division with the most holdbacks, especially in 2020 and 2021. It is the way they game the system and it is the only way they can win. I have seen their 2020 team several times and I can tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 13 year old. When teams lose to Crabs they do not consider it a loss, they just simply realize how much Ryan M has cheated/gamed the system. I know by saying this the Crab faithful will come out yelling not true, we have very few hold backs blah blah blah. It is their defense posture to try and push attention away from them. You can't fool all the people all the time.

Define holdback? Dob before May 1st 2001 for 2020

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying. Crabs were the best when it was age based as well. Sorry that 4 kids who reclassed to 2020 threatens you so much.

No one is crying about this nor is anyone threaten by this, so you say, 4 holdbacks. Crabs had an one age 2020 team last summer at Vail and they were beaten badly. Crabs has more than 4 holdbacks, the Crabs organization leads most every age division with the most holdbacks, especially in 2020 and 2021. It is the way they game the system and it is the only way they can win. I have seen their 2020 team several times and I can tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 13 year old. When teams lose to Crabs they do not consider it a loss, they just simply realize how much Ryan M has cheated/gamed the system. I know by saying this the Crab faithful will come out yelling not true, we have very few hold backs blah blah blah. It is their defense posture to try and push attention away from them. You can't fool all the people all the time.

They were beaten badly in the finals that is. By what is possible one of the best youth lacrosse teams ever. Funny they managed to get to the finals with their on age kids if they are so bad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying. Crabs were the best when it was age based as well. Sorry that 4 kids who reclassed to 2020 threatens you so much.

No one is crying about this nor is anyone threaten by this, so you say, 4 holdbacks. Crabs had an one age 2020 team last summer at Vail and they were beaten badly. Crabs has more than 4 holdbacks, the Crabs organization leads most every age division with the most holdbacks, especially in 2020 and 2021. It is the way they game the system and it is the only way they can win. I have seen their 2020 team several times and I can tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 13 year old. When teams lose to Crabs they do not consider it a loss, they just simply realize how much Ryan M has cheated/gamed the system. I know by saying this the Crab faithful will come out yelling not true, we have very few hold backs blah blah blah. It is their defense posture to try and push attention away from them. You can't fool all the people all the time.

They were beaten badly in the finals that is. By what is possible one of the best youth lacrosse teams ever. Funny they managed to get to the finals with their on age kids if they are so bad

They lost at Hershey too last summer not making it to the finals playing on age kids. There was no competition at World Series of Lacrosse with exception of Crush and a Crabs so no big accomplishment there. They won in OT at the Beach playing with their older kids during the semis to breakers and then by one to Crush in OT. Good team but not the best when you take away all the holdbacks. Everyone knows it. Who cares if they win the HoCo league or anything else-they have nobody's respect. Would rather my kid not win all the time yet have the respect of his peers.

Did u happen to see the teams they played in Denver? Not exactly the cream of crop. They played one REAL team and got destroyed. The same team they beat with 2019 players by one goal at beach lax. Sorry - crabs cheat/game they system and would be absolutely mediocre without playing kids who are 1 or 2 years older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep crying. Crabs were the best when it was age based as well. Sorry that 4 kids who reclassed to 2020 threatens you so much.

No one is crying about this nor is anyone threaten by this, so you say, 4 holdbacks. Crabs had an one age 2020 team last summer at Vail and they were beaten badly. Crabs has more than 4 holdbacks, the Crabs organization leads most every age division with the most holdbacks, especially in 2020 and 2021. It is the way they game the system and it is the only way they can win. I have seen their 2020 team several times and I can tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 13 year old. When teams lose to Crabs they do not consider it a loss, they just simply realize how much Ryan M has cheated/gamed the system. I know by saying this the Crab faithful will come out yelling not true, we have very few hold backs blah blah blah. It is their defense posture to try and push attention away from them. You can't fool all the people all the time.

They were beaten badly in the finals that is. By what is possible one of the best youth lacrosse teams ever. Funny they managed to get to the finals with their on age kids if they are so bad

True, they did get to the finals but they lost the last game 19/8. If you were that successful with on age kids to get to the final game why does the Crab organization find it so necessary to overload their 2020 team with so many holdbacks. I think the answer is that Ryan M likes to roll over teams and he can do that with 15 year olds playing against 13 year olds. Those two years in age makes a big difference in physical and mental maturity. If Crabs had 2 or 3 holdbacks, like most other teams no one would say a thing, but when they clearly overload the holdbacks, everyone notices and takes exception.
Because of this Ryan M is not liked or respected in the youth lacrosse community. He is not a great youth coach and he lacks in a high lacrosse IQ in youth coaching, he makes up for this by having older/bigger kids make him look good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

FCA has more than 2. Looney has more than 1-2. Rising Sons has their kids' birthdates on the website. Depending on how you define holdback they could have 2 or 5. Know nothing about Hawks.

Some will disagree but to me there is a big difference between a kid with a summer birthday, who starts kindergarten a year late, and an otherwise perfectly normal kid who repeats 8th grade *just* to look better on the lacrosse field. Every team probably has a couple of the former, the Crabs promote and pursue the latter - and the parents are willing accomplices. Big difference.

Excuses already piling up and the season hasn't started. We need Bernie Sanders to be commissioner of Hoco. That way he would equally distribute the players and we would all be winners! Trophys for all!

Agree. In fact, many kindergarten teachers will recommend mid to late summer boys waiting to begin school. No teacher will recommend an 8th grader repeat. It just doesn't happen at that age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

FCA has more than 2. Looney has more than 1-2. Rising Sons has their kids' birthdates on the website. Depending on how you define holdback they could have 2 or 5. Know nothing about Hawks.

Some will disagree but to me there is a big difference between a kid with a summer birthday, who starts kindergarten a year late, and an otherwise perfectly normal kid who repeats 8th grade *just* to look better on the lacrosse field. Every team probably has a couple of the former, the Crabs promote and pursue the latter - and the parents are willing accomplices. Big difference.

I disagree. Just because it is closer to the Sept 1 of MD school year/USL cutoff doesnt make player less of a holdback/prefirst/reclassify. It still is gaming system. Youth sports should not be classified by grade..it should be age. If that is May 1..so be it...But drop the grade letting select kids in,, make it a certain age and let all in...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excuses already piling up and the season hasn't started. We need Bernie Sanders to be commissioner of Hoco. That way he would equally distribute the players and we would all be winners! Trophys for all!

I don't really think these are excuses as much as they are observations about the Crabs organization and the overall general dislike for the way they game the grade base system. They are not respected as a strong club or team(s) and as long as Ryan M and his group of bandits continue with this large holdback system the dislike and disrespect for them will grow. People literally laugh at him on the sidelines during games. Plus at times I have seen him being disrespectful to his players during games. When things aren't going his way he doesn't demonstrate positive reinforcement but comes very close to belittling his players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. In fact, many kindergarten teachers will recommend mid to late summer boys waiting to begin school. No teacher will recommend an 8th grader repeat. It just doesn't happen at that age.

Yes it does, just look at Crabs organization. Ryan M highly recommends that 8th graders repeat, but not for academics but for the sole purpose of being an older/bigger player on his team. But you are correct, a teacher would not suggest this unless for pure academic reasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

FCA has more than 2. Looney has more than 1-2. Rising Sons has their kids' birthdates on the website. Depending on how you define holdback they could have 2 or 5. Know nothing about Hawks.

Some will disagree but to me there is a big difference between a kid with a summer birthday, who starts kindergarten a year late, and an otherwise perfectly normal kid who repeats 8th grade *just* to look better on the lacrosse field. Every team probably has a couple of the former, the Crabs promote and pursue the latter - and the parents are willing accomplices. Big difference.

I disagree. Just because it is closer to the Sept 1 of MD school year/USL cutoff doesnt make player less of a holdback/prefirst/reclassify. It still is gaming system. Youth sports should not be classified by grade..it should be age. If that is May 1..so be it...But drop the grade letting select kids in,, make it a certain age and let all in...

As I said...some will disagree. But yes, I agree with you, ideally it would be age based, with verifiable ID cards, etc. to level the playing field for everyone, like real sports do it, who could have a problem with that?

No excuses here. Just telling it like it is..in fact, I don't think Crabs defense can stop FCA attack. Probably best attack unit in country next to Team 91. I think FCA beats Crabs. They lost too them by 1 and that was without 4 very good players. I'd love to see what Crabs on age players parents r saying on sideline. No easy games in HOCO this year. That means on age Crabs kids will get less and less playing time because RM is going to have to field his best team every week if they want a chance to win. Last year they played mostly weak teams in NPYLL and would rotate on age kids in. This year holdbacks will get lionshare of playing time. Wonder if Crabs faithful will still defend the holdback system when their son hardly plays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

FCA has more than 2. Looney has more than 1-2. Rising Sons has their kids' birthdates on the website. Depending on how you define holdback they could have 2 or 5. Know nothing about Hawks.

Some will disagree but to me there is a big difference between a kid with a summer birthday, who starts kindergarten a year late, and an otherwise perfectly normal kid who repeats 8th grade *just* to look better on the lacrosse field. Every team probably has a couple of the former, the Crabs promote and pursue the latter - and the parents are willing accomplices. Big difference.

I disagree. Just because it is closer to the Sept 1 of MD school year/USL cutoff doesnt make player less of a holdback/prefirst/reclassify. It still is gaming system. Youth sports should not be classified by grade..it should be age. If that is May 1..so be it...But drop the grade letting select kids in,, make it a certain age and let all in...

In an age based system August 31 and September 01 same thing, by your logic August 31= HOLDACK, sounds a little silly to me, but I agree that age based is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No excuses here. Just telling it like it is..in fact, I don't think Crabs defense can stop FCA attack. Probably best attack unit in country next to Team 91. I think FCA beats Crabs. They lost too them by 1 and that was without 4 very good players. I'd love to see what Crabs on age players parents r saying on sideline. No easy games in HOCO this year. That means on age Crabs kids will get less and less playing time because RM is going to have to field his best team every week if they want a chance to win. Last year they played mostly weak teams in NPYLL and would rotate on age kids in. This year holdbacks will get lionshare of playing time. Wonder if Crabs faithful will still defend the holdback system when their son hardly plays.

Didn't looneys and force smoke FCA in their last games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No excuses here. Just telling it like it is..in fact, I don't think Crabs defense can stop FCA attack. Probably best attack unit in country next to Team 91. I think FCA beats Crabs. They lost too them by 1 and that was without 4 very good players. I'd love to see what Crabs on age players parents r saying on sideline. No easy games in HOCO this year. That means on age Crabs kids will get less and less playing time because RM is going to have to field his best team every week if they want a chance to win. Last year they played mostly weak teams in NPYLL and would rotate on age kids in. This year holdbacks will get lionshare of playing time. Wonder if Crabs faithful will still defend the holdback system when their son hardly plays.

Is this the same attack that went 1-2 at the fall showdown? Crabs/Crush were not even there.

My understanding is many FCA kids didn't play in fall. I know they beat Loonies in both games during spring season. I think Crabs is favorite but will lose 1-2 games this season. Crabs lost 10-5 to Edge. They seem to play up and down. If they continue their inconsistent pattern they'll lose in HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding is many FCA kids didn't play in fall. I know they beat Loonies in both games during spring season. I think Crabs is favorite but will lose 1-2 games this season. Crabs lost 10-5 to Edge. They seem to play up and down. If they continue their inconsistent pattern they'll lose in HOCO.

The team that lost to Edge was the Denver team, they were missing the holdbacks that played at beach lax plus any other 2020s who did not meet the age cutoff. They will probably roll through the HoCo league, but who cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding is many FCA kids didn't play in fall. I know they beat Loonies in both games during spring season. I think Crabs is favorite but will lose 1-2 games this season. Crabs lost 10-5 to Edge. They seem to play up and down. If they continue their inconsistent pattern they'll lose in HOCO.

Well...whatever. Yes, you never know with FCA since they have no problem bringing in whoever they need to based on who their opponent is. How disappointed God must be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

FCA has more than 2. Looney has more than 1-2. Rising Sons has their kids' birthdates on the website. Depending on how you define holdback they could have 2 or 5. Know nothing about Hawks.

Some will disagree but to me there is a big difference between a kid with a summer birthday, who starts kindergarten a year late, and an otherwise perfectly normal kid who repeats 8th grade *just* to look better on the lacrosse field. Every team probably has a couple of the former, the Crabs promote and pursue the latter - and the parents are willing accomplices. Big difference.

I disagree. Just because it is closer to the Sept 1 of MD school year/USL cutoff doesnt make player less of a holdback/prefirst/reclassify. It still is gaming system. Youth sports should not be classified by grade..it should be age. If that is May 1..so be it...But drop the grade letting select kids in,, make it a certain age and let all in...

In an age based system August 31 and September 01 same thing, by your logic August 31= HOLDACK, sounds a little silly to me, but I agree that age based is the way to go.

May sound silly to you but it is a holdback/prefirst?? It may only be a one day holdback/prefirst and much much less than a Jan 1 holdback/prefirst but they are one in the same. Go to any other sport and see if they let you play if you are one day before cutoff. Only Lacrosse has this convoluted system. Most sports do give exceptions, but are on limited basis.

We both agree that age base is way to go. And frankly I dont think grade would be that big a deal if we didnt have this epidemic of children held back. With some teams having 25% to 75% of the starting line up heldback it sure isnt a fair system in youth sports.

I define hold back as anyone with e birthday before 9/1. That is the cutoff for kindergarten in PA. If a kid started in kindergarten when they were 6 they are a hold back. (No matter the reason) and it really doesn't matter when you were held back, you are still the age of the 2019 class.

Yawn. Do you think all this complaining is going to change anything? Ugg. Is there a board where we can discuss the college games this weekend? Like how Syracuse put on a clinic against a woefully out matched Seina team? How Mommoth looked good against Jacksonville.

All this hold back junk is getting old. It happens, the clubs and the parents do it. If you do not like it, play for another club. Win some games, loose some games but make sure your kid loves the game of Lacrosse. All the other issues is just noise the older you get.

How about Loyola..great goalie play, Spencer has terrific first college game. Virginia has not found offense yet.

Main forum has college lacrosse forum to discuss college games/teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about Loyola..great goalie play, Spencer has terrific first college game. Virginia has not found offense yet.

UVA came out flat. Yikes. Love college lax. Need to get on the main forum. See you holdback crazy parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess at the 2022 AA teams would be in no particular order:
Cannons, Team 91 (Old Breakers), Madlax, Hawks, Crabs, Bethesda, Diamondbacks, Rough Riders, FCA, 3D

My guess at the A division would be Club Blue, Next Level, Storm, Mavericks (Old Thunder), Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, Lax World, Greene Turtle, Sidewinders

For B & C - who knows.

Club Blue playing AA. 3D playing A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess at the 2022 AA teams would be in no particular order:
Cannons, Team 91 (Old Breakers), Madlax, Hawks, Crabs, Bethesda, Diamondbacks, Rough Riders, FCA, 3D

My guess at the A division would be Club Blue, Next Level, Storm, Mavericks (Old Thunder), Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, Lax World, Greene Turtle, Sidewinders

For B & C - who knows.

Club Blue playing AA. 3D playing A

Does anyone have a idea when HOCO will post the Divisions for each age group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess at the 2022 AA teams would be in no particular order:
Cannons, Team 91 (Old Breakers), Madlax, Hawks, Crabs, Bethesda, Diamondbacks, Rough Riders, FCA, 3D

My guess at the A division would be Club Blue, Next Level, Storm, Mavericks (Old Thunder), Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, Lax World, Greene Turtle, Sidewinders

For B & C - who knows.

Club Blue playing AA. 3D playing A

Does anyone have a idea when HOCO will post the Divisions for each age group?

First week in April

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess at the 2022 AA teams would be in no particular order:
Cannons, Team 91 (Old Breakers), Madlax, Hawks, Crabs, Bethesda, Diamondbacks, Rough Riders, FCA, 3D

My guess at the A division would be Club Blue, Next Level, Storm, Mavericks (Old Thunder), Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, Lax World, Greene Turtle, Sidewinders

For B & C - who knows.

Club Blue playing AA. 3D playing A

Does anyone have a idea when HOCO will post the Divisions for each age group?

First week in April

If were lucky...seems like only the coaches know the schedule for the first few weeks of the season. Always late. Would be nice if they put it up a few weeks prior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021: Crabs, Bethesda, Hawks, Green Turtle, Koopers

These are AA Teams - hopefully some additional Clubs will step up too.

Madlax, FCA,& Club Blue also

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

They plan on winning!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Best concentration of quality teams anywhere.

Is it confirmed that both 2020 A and AA will be playing Saturday games?

That's going to cause a large conflict for VA teams, as most all rec league games are played on Saturdays as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it confirmed that both 2020 A and AA will be playing Saturday games?

That's going to cause a large conflict for VA teams, as most all rec league games are played on Saturdays as well.

yes. all 2020 divisions are saturday. this is due to MYLA rec games being on sundays for U15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

Totally agree. With this question there can been + 15 different opinions and each could be based on that individuals supported team. Let them play and see how it unfolds. 2020 AA has quite a few very strong teams and any one can beat the other on any given Saturday. Having a strong schedule just helps everyone improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Can you please explain what rules are being broken??

Thought so. Now go back into your hole.

If your son is on one of the top 4-5 AA 2020 teams that means he is really good at lacrosse relative to other 8th grade boys - no matter what their ages are. Each team has their share and unless a particular team or club takes a stand a proclaims they are playing with "u14" kids only, than all teams are the same. The boys don't care. They just want to play against the best and this spring will be a fantastic opportunity to do so. If he just missed making "AA" there are some really good "A" teams and that group will be very competitive as well. BTW - those teams also have kids born before sept 01. They're just not as good. Time to stop whining about the holdbacks. And no I'm not justifying my choices as my son as March 02. Nor is he on Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Can you please explain what rules are being broken??

Thought so. Now go back into your hole.

Boy, such strong words from a Crab fan/parent. Don't like it when you are called out, even worse when people see you at games. Ryan Mc is gaming the system by creating almost entire teams of holdbacks, encouraging parents to have their kid repeat 8th grade, solely for lacrosse, having a team with two double holdbacks on 2020, who will be almost 16 by this summer. Want me to go on. That was NOT the intent of going to grade base youth lacrosse but Ryan Mc immediately saw how he could cheat/abuse the system. Yes, ABUSE the system. No other club in youth lax in Md. has anywhere near the holdbacks that Crabs has nor do they try and game/cheat the grade base system. Speaking of that hole, put an a in front of it and you just described yourself. Crabs people are so sensitive of being called what they are, well if you live it be ready to take the heat for it. And remember, the Crabs rosters were accidently release to a lot of lacrosse coaches last fall at a Md. tournament, so be careful in your denial and saying what rules are being broken. Crabs is abusing the system for one purpose, to win at any cost and Ryan Mc, to win and make money. Disgusting organization in youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Can you please explain what rules are being broken??

Thought so. Now go back into your hole.

Boy, such strong words from a Crab fan/parent. Don't like it when you are called out, even worse when people see you at games. Ryan Mc is gaming the system by creating almost entire teams of holdbacks, encouraging parents to have their kid repeat 8th grade, solely for lacrosse, having a team with two double holdbacks on 2020, who will be almost 16 by this summer. Want me to go on. That was NOT the intent of going to grade base youth lacrosse but Ryan Mc immediately saw how he could cheat/abuse the system. Yes, ABUSE the system. No other club in youth lax in Md. has anywhere near the holdbacks that Crabs has nor do they try and game/cheat the grade base system. Speaking of that hole, put an a in front of it and you just described yourself. Crabs people are so sensitive of being called what they are, well if you live it be ready to take the heat for it. And remember, the Crabs rosters were accidently release to a lot of lacrosse coaches last fall at a Md. tournament, so be careful in your denial and saying what rules are being broken. Crabs is abusing the system for one purpose, to win at any cost and Ryan Mc, to win and make money. Disgusting organization in youth lacrosse.

I didn't deny anything. I just asked you to tell me what rule is being broken. In your long, asinine diatribe, I still don't see an answer to my question.

Do you really think that RM is gaming the system any more than any other club? All clubs in MD have holdbacks. Do they have as many as Crabs? Probably not. Have you ever considered that may be because those kids want to play for Crabs? Have you considered that it's the parents that are "gaming the system"? Would you prefer RM tell those kids that they can't play for Crabs? Do you think that the holdbacks went to FCA, Looneys, 91 MD, etc and were told that they couldn't play there so they went to Crabs? Do you think if they did go to FCA, Looneys, 91 MD, etc, that they would be told they can't play there because they were to old? Of course not.

You obviously have a personal vendetta against RM. You post constantly and call him Ryan Mc, so it's apparent that you really are being vindictive. Maybe you should look in the mirror and worry about your son instead of where other kids CHOOSE to play.

The obsession some dads have with the Crabs is really creepy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Can you please explain what rules are being broken??

Thought so. Now go back into your hole.

Boy, such strong words from a Crab fan/parent. Don't like it when you are called out, even worse when people see you at games. Ryan Mc is gaming the system by creating almost entire teams of holdbacks, encouraging parents to have their kid repeat 8th grade, solely for lacrosse, having a team with two double holdbacks on 2020, who will be almost 16 by this summer. Want me to go on. That was NOT the intent of going to grade base youth lacrosse but Ryan Mc immediately saw how he could cheat/abuse the system. Yes, ABUSE the system. No other club in youth lax in Md. has anywhere near the holdbacks that Crabs has nor do they try and game/cheat the grade base system. Speaking of that hole, put an a in front of it and you just described yourself. Crabs people are so sensitive of being called what they are, well if you live it be ready to take the heat for it. And remember, the Crabs rosters were accidently release to a lot of lacrosse coaches last fall at a Md. tournament, so be careful in your denial and saying what rules are being broken. Crabs is abusing the system for one purpose, to win at any cost and Ryan Mc, to win and make money. Disgusting organization in youth lacrosse.

I didn't deny anything. I just asked you to tell me what rule is being broken. In your long, asinine diatribe, I still don't see an answer to my question.

Do you really think that RM is gaming the system any more than any other club? All clubs in MD have holdbacks. Do they have as many as Crabs? Probably not. Have you ever considered that may be because those kids want to play for Crabs? Have you considered that it's the parents that are "gaming the system"? Would you prefer RM tell those kids that they can't play for Crabs? Do you think that the holdbacks went to FCA, Looneys, 91 MD, etc and were told that they couldn't play there so they went to Crabs? Do you think if they did go to FCA, Looneys, 91 MD, etc, that they would be told they can't play there because they were to old? Of course not.

You obviously have a personal vendetta against RM. You post constantly and call him Ryan Mc, so it's apparent that you really are being vindictive. Maybe you should look in the mirror and worry about your son instead of where other kids CHOOSE to play.

they are the only club that asks kids to repeat a grade for lax! That is gaming the system, it morally and fundamentally wrong. the club, coaches and parents all lack integrity!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Can you please explain what rules are being broken??

Thought so. Now go back into your hole.

Boy, such strong words from a Crab fan/parent. Don't like it when you are called out, even worse when people see you at games. Ryan Mc is gaming the system by creating almost entire teams of holdbacks, encouraging parents to have their kid repeat 8th grade, solely for lacrosse, having a team with two double holdbacks on 2020, who will be almost 16 by this summer. Want me to go on. That was NOT the intent of going to grade base youth lacrosse but Ryan Mc immediately saw how he could cheat/abuse the system. Yes, ABUSE the system. No other club in youth lax in Md. has anywhere near the holdbacks that Crabs has nor do they try and game/cheat the grade base system. Speaking of that hole, put an a in front of it and you just described yourself. Crabs people are so sensitive of being called what they are, well if you live it be ready to take the heat for it. And remember, the Crabs rosters were accidently release to a lot of lacrosse coaches last fall at a Md. tournament, so be careful in your denial and saying what rules are being broken. Crabs is abusing the system for one purpose, to win at any cost and Ryan Mc, to win and make money. Disgusting organization in youth lacrosse.

I didn't deny anything. I just asked you to tell me what rule is being broken. In your long, asinine diatribe, I still don't see an answer to my question.

Do you really think that RM is gaming the system any more than any other club? All clubs in MD have holdbacks. Do they have as many as Crabs? Probably not. Have you ever considered that may be because those kids want to play for Crabs? Have you considered that it's the parents that are "gaming the system"? Would you prefer RM tell those kids that they can't play for Crabs? Do you think that the holdbacks went to FCA, Looneys, 91 MD, etc and were told that they couldn't play there so they went to Crabs? Do you think if they did go to FCA, Looneys, 91 MD, etc, that they would be told they can't play there because they were to old? Of course not.

You obviously have a personal vendetta against RM. You post constantly and call him Ryan Mc, so it's apparent that you really are being vindictive. Maybe you should look in the mirror and worry about your son instead of where other kids CHOOSE to play.

You ramble on and still do not understand the problem that Ryan Mc is creating. Do I have any respect for him, no, would I ever let my son play for his organization, no and he is well beyond good enough to do so, I want him, and others feel the same, to do it the right way. If you feel it is necessary that your son repeat so he can look better, than that is your call, but yes, I do not like what Ryan Mc has done to the youth lax game and he is taking it well beyond the sprit of grade base lacrosse. Yes, Crabs parents are gaming the system, but they are being pushed and encouraged to do so by Ryan M. I have never met him, I do not want to and I have no vendetta against him personally but I do for what he has done to youth lax. I strongly feel there are much better ways to have a strong/competitive team than to have an almost entire team of holdbacks. Ask around about him, others will tell you they have no respect for him in the way he runs Crabs and the LARGE number of holdbacks. Like I said before, all teams have a few holdbacks, but their entire team is not build on holdbacks, like Crabs teams are. If you feel you must defend him, go right ahead, but believe me you are in the minority. As for looking in mirrors, maybe you should take a look and see if you really feel that you are teaching you son that by repeating a grade is the best way to get ahead in lacrosse. Why not let his ability take him to his limit and then have him make every effort to improve on that. And do I hate Ryan Mc, but I have no respect for him and you know why. As far as being asinine, you can't even see what he is doing, you just drank the kool aid and are happy where you are. Last thing on this, no he isn't breaking the rule per se, but you damn well know he is abusing it and that was never the intent of grade base lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they are the only club that asks kids to repeat a grade for lax!

LOL. I have a bridge to sell you. They have holdbacks. Every club has holdbacks. A club like Madlax has more holdbacks, as does FCA.

Philly? Every team there has holdbacks. Saying the Crabs are the only one who actively/passively encourages holdbacks is funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Can you please explain what rules are being broken??

Thought so. Now go back into your hole.

Please stop hiding behind "no rules are being broken", the fact that there are no rules is how you get away with what you do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really helps the league to allow a club to play that was caught cheating in a tournament.

as opposed to Crabs who will field a 2020 team with kids turning 16 this summer?

The Crabs organization is a total joke, they are not respected in the youth lacrosse community and Ryan Mc is considered a total joke. I really do not know how he can even show his face in public, given how he cheats/games the system and he knows that everyone know what he does. If I did what he does, I would be ashamed to be seen if I did what he does. He is a total d bag and there is nothing that I, and many others, would love to see, is that he be banned from youth lacrosse. But knowing him he would challenge this, as he needs his ego stroked and his wallet filled. And, I and others almost have the same distaste for the parents of Crabs players who openly go along with this gaming/cheating scandal.

Can you please explain what rules are being broken??

Thought so. Now go back into your hole.

Please stop hiding behind "no rules are being broken", the fact that there are no rules is how you get away with what you do.

No rules are broken, but spirit of fair competition is being corrupted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax does not belong in that group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they are the only club that asks kids to repeat a grade for lax!

LOL. I have a bridge to sell you. They have holdbacks. Every club has holdbacks. A club like Madlax has more holdbacks, as does FCA.

Philly? Every team there has holdbacks. Saying the Crabs are the only one who actively/passively encourages holdbacks is funny.

. What proof do you have that Madlax and FCA has more holdback? Right, didn't think you had anything but empty words. Mostly all teams have a few but none on the scale of Crabs. And I know of no other club that promotes holdbacks to the scale of Crabs. This is the standard pushback of Crab fans, try and put the focus on other clubs. As far as that bridge goes, why don't you and the Crabs leader go to the highest point and jump off.

Because I know many kids on both Madlax and FCA. Madlax encourages holdbacks on every team, and FCA has a ton partly because of the Catholic connection.

Crabs have them. So do nearly every club in this area. Get a grip, Dad. And no, we don't play for Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax and next level are elite? Who even is next level?

Next Level has been around awhile in the NPYLL....low AA but better than madlax at the 2020 year group. Not very good at 2019 or 2021. 2020 was better than madlax last year and is much improved since then. Very strong this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax and next level are elite? Who even is next level?

91 Platinum is Elite? They were A last year and won Halloween Havoc in the fall- what elite team plays Halloween Havoc? Somebody must have paid HoCo extra to let Next Level, Madlax and 91 Platinum into elite. Not really fair to the other 6 who always seek the toughest competition and play one another regularly with close games and games that could go either way. Dilutes the accomplishments of the 6.

For 2020, HoCo just drank the kool aid by letting 3 totally unproven teams into the "elite" bracket. They need to have a bit of a backbone and do what is right for the kids which is placing teams where they fit best. Allowing three lower level teams into an elite bracket is not fair to those kids - the true elite kids or the ones who do not be,long there. It distorts the bracket and does not allow even playing for the teams who do belong there as not everyone will get to play the weaker teams and not everyone will want to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they are the only club that asks kids to repeat a grade for lax!

LOL. I have a bridge to sell you. They have holdbacks. Every club has holdbacks. A club like Madlax has more holdbacks, as does FCA.

Philly? Every team there has holdbacks. Saying the Crabs are the only one who actively/passively encourages holdbacks is funny.

Crabs tell families "if you want to play crabs next year your son will have to stay back a grade"! This is a fact!

Madlax 2020 should not be AA. That is a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax and next level are elite? Who even is next level?

91 Platinum is Elite? They were A last year and won Halloween Havoc in the fall- what elite team plays Halloween Havoc? Somebody must have paid HoCo extra to let Next Level, Madlax and 91 Platinum into elite. Not really fair to the other 6 who always seek the toughest competition and play one another regularly with close games and games that could go either way. Dilutes the accomplishments of the 6.

Where's VLC?

All hoco did was rename divisions.
Vlc is AA

Are the HOCO divisions posted somewhere? I think that is someone's opinion of what the Elite teams are. HOCO doesn't name their divisions Elite. They are AA, A, B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has been around awhile in the NPYLL....low AA but better than madlax at the 2020 year group. Not very good at 2019 or 2021. 2020 was better than madlax last year and is much improved since then. Very strong this fall.

Who did they play in the fall, what tournaments and with what scores that the "very strong" is based on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax and next level are elite? Who even is next level?

91 Platinum is Elite? They were A last year and won Halloween Havoc in the fall- what elite team plays Halloween Havoc? Somebody must have paid HoCo extra to let Next Level, Madlax and 91 Platinum into elite. Not really fair to the other 6 who always seek the toughest competition and play one another regularly with close games and games that could go either way. Dilutes the accomplishments of the 6.

91 Platinum was the top "A" team last year. It is the proper thing for them to move to "Elite" to challenge themselves, maybe they surprise somebody.

There loss to an "A" team last year was to FCA, and that was when FCA brought down a handful of AA players.

If the division's hold true. It's good. The ones that won should move up. It's 6 games. You should play the so-called best. Most of the better teams added multiple players. just let them play. Don't be mad your kid didn't make crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax and next level are elite? Who even is next level?

91 Platinum is Elite? They were A last year and won Halloween Havoc in the fall- what elite team plays Halloween Havoc? Somebody must have paid HoCo extra to let Next Level, Madlax and 91 Platinum into elite. Not really fair to the other 6 who always seek the toughest competition and play one another regularly with close games and games that could go either way. Dilutes the accomplishments of the 6.

91 Platinum was the top "A" team last year. It is the proper thing for them to move to "Elite" to challenge themselves, maybe they surprise somebody.

There loss to an "A" team last year was to FCA, and that was when FCA brought down a handful of AA players.

It's doesn't matter what happened last year. The teams all changed this year.

Lots of speculation here on divisions....not sure HoCo will decide or if the teams will decide, but that is the key ingredient here. Some clubs will play down and some will play up to the detriment of the league.

Next level 2020 was strong at the madlax fall tourney and won the AA division. Madlax was not as good. Neither are as as good as the looneys, the crabs, or the team 91. I hope HoCo does 4 divisions so that the games are close for everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax and next level are elite? Who even is next level?

91 Platinum is Elite? They were A last year and won Halloween Havoc in the fall- what elite team plays Halloween Havoc? Somebody must have paid HoCo extra to let Next Level, Madlax and 91 Platinum into elite. Not really fair to the other 6 who always seek the toughest competition and play one another regularly with close games and games that could go either way. Dilutes the accomplishments of the 6.

91 Platinum was the top "A" team last year. It is the proper thing for them to move to "Elite" to challenge themselves, maybe they surprise somebody.

There loss to an "A" team last year was to FCA, and that was when FCA brought down a handful of AA players.

They should play AA to challenge themselves then - not the Elite AA bracket. Jumping to the highest level of AA from A when there are alternatives shows that there is some major politics going on. They have not earned that placement and is unfair to the teams that have challenged themselves. It is a 6 week program and they , Madlax and Next Level are keeping those other teams from having the highest level of competition which is what THEY paid the same $$ for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why on Earth are the Sons 2020's coming down here?

Many of the higher level 2020 AA teams have a relationship with the Sons and often play in one another's play days and leagues. Only helps make everyone better the more competition you can bring into a venue. Contrary to some opinions, their coming down did not knock anyone out of any bracket - some who think they belong in the bracket do not.

2020 Elite - Annapolis Hawks, Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Madlax, Next Level, Rising Sons, Team 91 MD Force, Team 91 MD Platinum

Madlax and next level are elite? Who even is next level?

91 Platinum is Elite? They were A last year and won Halloween Havoc in the fall- what elite team plays Halloween Havoc? Somebody must have paid HoCo extra to let Next Level, Madlax and 91 Platinum into elite. Not really fair to the other 6 who always seek the toughest competition and play one another regularly with close games and games that could go either way. Dilutes the accomplishments of the 6.

91 Platinum was the top "A" team last year. It is the proper thing for them to move to "Elite" to challenge themselves, maybe they surprise somebody.

There loss to an "A" team last year was to FCA, and that was when FCA brought down a handful of AA players.

FCA White correct? Not Blue, the elite FCA 2020 team? They are probably a skilled team and capable of AA play - the point is that they have no basis for jumping right into the Elite bracket and it is not fair to the kids who have earned the Elite bracket. What true AA tournaments did any of the three play in the fall-their scores? What did they play last year ?

All this talk about holdbacks, cheating, and winning and losing lacrosse games s beyond stupid. There is only one reason parents hold their kids back a year and that is to draw he eye of college coaches/recruiters early in the process. This is where parents' minds are and for any big-time club program director/coach, this is where the money is. When you open a club's website, you don't usually see their win-loss record or their tournament championships, but what you do se is where their players are attending college. This is the brand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the HOCO divisions posted somewhere? I think that is someone's opinion of what the Elite teams are. HOCO doesn't name their divisions Elite. They are AA, A, B

They are this year, the above is accurate.

AA this year is - Rough Riders, FCA White, VLC, Lax Factory, Club Blue, API Diamondbacks, Looney's Green, Cavalier, Cannons and MD Xtreme.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the HOCO divisions posted somewhere? I think that is someone's opinion of what the Elite teams are. HOCO doesn't name their divisions Elite. They are AA, A, B

They are this year, the above is accurate.

AA this year is - Rough Riders, FCA White, VLC, Lax Factory, Club Blue, API Diamondbacks, Looney's Green, Cavalier, Cannons and MD Xtreme.

That's funny. Many single A teams now called AA. What has lax factory, Looneys green, fca white, Vic won. Rough riders could be in the elite division but they lost five starters. Hoco has it right.

Where is it posted? Is the elite division set too? I'd like to see that as well if someone has it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the HOCO divisions posted somewhere? I think that is someone's opinion of what the Elite teams are. HOCO doesn't name their divisions Elite. They are AA, A, B

They are this year, the above is accurate.

AA this year is - Rough Riders, FCA White, VLC, Lax Factory, Club Blue, API Diamondbacks, Looney's Green, Cavalier, Cannons and MD Xtreme.

That's funny. Many single A teams now called AA. What has lax factory, Looneys green, fca white, Vic won. Rough riders could be in the elite division but they lost five starters. Hoco has it right.

"AA" is an "A" division, don't know why they chose to rebrand the divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the HOCO divisions posted somewhere? I think that is someone's opinion of what the Elite teams are. HOCO doesn't name their divisions Elite. They are AA, A, B

They are this year, the above is accurate.

AA this year is - Rough Riders, FCA White, VLC, Lax Factory, Club Blue, API Diamondbacks, Looney's Green, Cavalier, Cannons and MD Xtreme.

That's funny. Many single A teams now called AA. What has lax factory, Looneys green, fca white, Vic won. Rough riders could be in the elite division but they lost five starters. Hoco has it right.

"HoCo has it right"? Except for putting Madlax, Next Level and 91 Platinum in the highest AA bracket - these teams belong with Looneys Green, FCA White etc. They would not roll over any of the teams in the AA bracket. Probably just the usual whining by the coaches and the "me too" mentality.

Ok

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the HOCO divisions posted somewhere? I think that is someone's opinion of what the Elite teams are. HOCO doesn't name their divisions Elite. They are AA, A, B

They are this year, the above is accurate.

AA this year is - Rough Riders, FCA White, VLC, Lax Factory, Club Blue, API Diamondbacks, Looney's Green, Cavalier, Cannons and MD Xtreme.

That's funny. Many single A teams now called AA. What has lax
factory, Looneys green, fca white, Vic won. Rough riders could be in the elite division but they lost five starters. Hoco has it right.

"HoCo has it right"? Except for putting Madlax, Next Level and 91 Platinum in the highest AA bracket - these teams belong with Looneys Green, FCA White etc. They would not roll over any of the teams in the AA bracket. Probably just the usual whining by the coaches and the "me too" mentality.

Leave top 6,
Then AA would be rough, next level, madlax, 91, club blue, cannons.
Move the rest to A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the HOCO divisions posted somewhere? I think that is someone's opinion of what the Elite teams are. HOCO doesn't name their divisions Elite. They are AA, A, B

They are this year, the above is accurate.

AA this year is - Rough Riders, FCA White, VLC, Lax Factory, Club Blue, API Diamondbacks, Looney's Green, Cavalier, Cannons and MD Xtreme.

That's funny. Many single A teams now called AA. What has lax
factory, Looneys green, fca white, Vic won. Rough riders could be in the elite division but they lost five starters. Hoco has it right.

"HoCo has it right"? Except for putting Madlax, Next Level and 91 Platinum in the highest AA bracket - these teams belong with Looneys Green, FCA White etc. They would not roll over any of the teams in the AA bracket. Probably just the usual whining by the coaches and the "me too" mentality.

Leave top 6,
Then AA would be rough, next level, madlax, 91, club blue, cannons.
Move the rest to A

Can somebody post how they have it broken out right now - there are over 40 teams in 2020.

Apparently these are not completely set in stone. The Elite and AA already posted are correct. Kudos to teams like 91P, Madlax, Next Level for challenging themselves. It's usually the other way around with teams sandbagging. Here are other 2020

A Division

Performance
HoCo
Koopers
Rock
Zingos
3D
Peninsula
Lax World
Green Hornets
Madlax - MD
Hawks
USS Destroyer
Next Level
Breakers
Madlax - VA
Thunder

Surprised Thunder would be in 3rd division as they were 5-1 in A division last year

B Division-

Greene Turtle
HoCo
Sidewinders
Ground Control
Team 42
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish
Tradition
Maryland Wild

Bethesda must have really fallen apart? They were a AA team just 2 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Apparently these are not completely set in stone. The Elite and AA already posted are correct. Kudos to teams like 91P, Madlax, Next Level for challenging themselves. It's usually the other way around with teams sandbagging. Here are other 2020

A Division

Performance
HoCo
Koopers
Rock
Zingos
3D
Peninsula
Lax World
Green Hornets
Madlax - MD
Hawks
USS Destroyer
Next Level
Breakers
Madlax - VA
Thunder

Surprised Thunder would be in 3rd division as they were 5-1 in A division last year

B Division-

Greene Turtle
HoCo
Sidewinders
Ground Control
Team 42
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish
Tradition
Maryland Wild

Bethesda must have really fallen apart? They were a AA team just 2 years ago

How can the Elite and Double AA be set in stone and the others not? Wishful thinking perhaps if you say it enough, it shall be - if they are set in stone that is pretty shameful. So it is okay for those teams to challenge themselves at the expense of the other 6 teams getting crappier games ? You must have whined and petitioned ALOT to get your way.

I don't think Madlax is going fare too well in the elite. I think the brackets look about right though. Good for hoco if that's how it goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Apparently these are not completely set in stone. The Elite and AA already posted are correct. Kudos to teams like 91P, Madlax, Next Level for challenging themselves. It's usually the other way around with teams sandbagging. Here are other 2020

A Division

Performance
HoCo
Koopers
Rock
Zingos
3D
Peninsula
Lax World
Green Hornets
Madlax - MD
Hawks
USS Destroyer
Next Level
Breakers
Madlax - VA
Thunder

Surprised Thunder would be in 3rd division as they were 5-1 in A division last year

B Division-

Greene Turtle
HoCo
Sidewinders
Ground Control
Team 42
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
MD Wolfpack
Rockfish
Tradition
Maryland Wild

Bethesda must have really fallen apart? They were a AA team just 2 years ago

How can the Elite and Double AA be set in stone and the others not? Wishful thinking perhaps if you say it enough, it shall be - if they are set in stone that is pretty shameful. So it is okay for those teams to challenge themselves at the expense of the other 6 teams getting crappier games ? You must have whined and petitioned ALOT to get your way.

I said none was set in stone. The indication in hoco email I saw was that it they did not want to change any divisions from this. They had already sent something out and then there were changes. My son is not on one of the three teams that YOU are whining about. Shameful? You're a drama queen aren't you. Bet you are a treat on the sidelines. Hopefully your son can survive being exposed to non "elite" 8th graders.

Hey dads, get your egos out of youth lacrosse. Find your self-esteem somewhere else. Not at the expense of your son's self-esteem.

Exactly. Kids going 0-6 or 1-5 and having blowout games week after week is not a great set up going into summer. Parent and coaches ego. Let the kids play where they belong talent wise. They will be much happier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly. Kids going 0-6 or 1-5 and having blowout games week after week is not a great set up going into summer. Parent and coaches ego. Let the kids play where they belong talent wise. They will be much happier.

Exactly, nobody benefits in a 15-2 game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly. Kids going 0-6 or 1-5 and having blowout games week after week is not a great set up going into summer. Parent and coaches ego. Let the kids play where they belong talent wise. They will be much happier.

Exactly, nobody benefits in a 15-2 game.

And then this forum will go crazy how a team does not let up with scoring when they have a 10 pt lead. Hoco you are putting these boys in a bad position.

Let it play out. Who invited Sons anyhow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let it play out. Who invited Sons anyhow.

Not sure if anyone invited them or if they simply asked to play but they add another talented team to the top bracket and if it had been left as it was including them and the other 5, it would have been the first time that these teams were in a single bracket in the same league making for crazy competitive games each week. Bringing 3 teams up was a poor choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let it play out. Who invited Sons anyhow.

They belong in the bracket more than 91P, Next Level and Mad Lax and the other five are probably glad they joined. Not sure why all the hostility directed at RS - them being in the bracket adds another competitive team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let it play out. Who invited Sons anyhow.

Why do you care? Good competition is good competition. Why wouldn't you want them there? The more the merrier. More games, more fun, more challenges. Change your attitude! You'll feel so much better!

Any idea on how the divisions break for 2021?

Do tell. Let's see 2021 brackets

I heard they simply put all of last years NYPLL teams in elite bracket at 2021. Not sure if rumor or not but several HoCo teams would certainly belong (GT and Koopers)

GT 2021 has beat Crabs 2021 the last 3x, how aren't they elite?

What is the latest with the 2020 brackets and the non invitation teams that wanted to get into the top bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the latest with the 2020 brackets and the non invitation teams that wanted to get into the top bracket?

Apparently some type of round robin is in the works to determine whether some of the fringe AA teams get to play in the top division. I assume next weekend but don't know other details

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the latest with the 2020 brackets and the non invitation teams that wanted to get into the top bracket?

Apparently some type of round robin is in the works to determine whether some of the fringe AA teams get to play in the top division. I assume next weekend but don't know other details

Just curious where is all this information coming from?

Either you are good enough or your not. If you have to play your way in your asking for a weekly beating. IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the latest with the 2020 brackets and the non invitation teams that wanted to get into the top bracket?

Apparently some type of round robin is in the works to determine whether some of the fringe AA teams get to play in the top division. I assume next weekend but don't know other details

Just curious where is all this information coming from?

Heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy

Oh ok that's what I figured

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Either you are good enough or your not. If you have to play your way in your asking for a weekly beating. IMO

Whichever team gets to be in the bracket, their boys better be prepared for what their coach did to them. Pushing to be in a bracket in a league above your talent level can only lead to a lot of frustrated boys. Better to enter a one day tournament at the higher level if you want to challenge yourself. Coaches who push too much are not helping to develop their players-only fueling their own egos.

Your only as good as the competition you play, if they don't do well they can play "A" tournaments.

Theybwerebthe beat "A" team last year, why shouldn't they move up a bracket and see where they fit in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your only as good as the competition you play, if they don't do well they can play "A" tournaments.

Theybwerebthe beat "A" team last year, why shouldn't they move up a bracket and see where they fit in.

Any team that was an A team last year, could play in AA bracket this year and have plenty of competitive games. Moving from A to AA Elite skipping over AA is generally not in the best interest of the boys and is only fueling the coach so they can say "me too". It will be a little late after the boys are throughly frustrated to then register for lower tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your only as good as the competition you play, if they don't do well they can play "A" tournaments.

Theybwerebthe beat "A" team last year, why shouldn't they move up a bracket and see where they fit in.

Who was the best A team last year that wants to move up? A little crazy to go from being an A team and playing light weight tournaments to putting your boys up against the best teams in the country week after week. Crabs and Looneys will tear them apart and then they will complain about holdbacks, how players were brought down, how it is unsportsmanlike etc. when unfortunately those teams will have to drive the score up for playoff stats purposes. Getting demolished week after week is not being as good as the competition you play and does not build stronger players-it knocks them down. The saying refers to playing good competition and each team having an equal chance of winning a game to push both teams to play their best. Nothing will be learned when these teams roll over a team by 10 + margins. All about the coaches - not the boys and the parents should think twice about any coach who has their team play for a slot in a bracket that they will be outplayed each week.

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Which A team is saying they were the number one A team last year and based on what? it seems more like the coaches ego as opposed to what is best for the kids. And why would they not play AA which is the next logical step? All teams theoretically should have gotten better this year.

As much as I hate to say it - and believe me I do - Crabs 2020 is going to roll through this league. There is no way a team of what is essentially 2019s/2018s shouldn't win every game. RM's holdback strategy wins. Sorry to say it - but - its a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Which A team is saying they were the number one A team last year and based on what? it seems more like the coaches ego as opposed to what is best for the kids. And why would they not play AA which is the next logical step? All teams theoretically should have gotten better this year.

I think it is Team 91 Platinum which was Breakers White last year. They won NYPLL A division and beat FCA White and Looneys Green in the Koopers league in fairly close games. A few of the teams they lost to may have taken a step back - Arden and Roughriders. They might have a tough go in the top division but why do you care so much? Give the some credit for stepping up to a challenge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As much as I hate to say it - and believe me I do - Crabs 2020 is going to roll through this league. There is no way a team of what is essentially 2019s/2018s shouldn't win every game. RM's holdback strategy wins. Sorry to say it - but - its a fact.

True, but at least everyone will know why.

The teams involved know this and honestly do not pay attention any longer. They can claim their win but they and everyone else knows it is bogus and move on. They have all been dealing w RM and his band of holdbacks far too long to care anymore. It is just comical watching the double holdbacks on the field thinking they are superior to kids two years younger. Parents must be proud of themselves and junior. The on age kids have pride in themselves and the knowledge of knowing they are the best on age players in the region. That is enough for most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As much as I hate to say it - and believe me I do - Crabs 2020 is going to roll through this league. There is no way a team of what is essentially 2019s/2018s shouldn't win every game. RM's holdback strategy wins. Sorry to say it - but - its a fact.

True, but at least everyone will know why.

Would be nice to see other team coaches protest to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference Commissioner, Derrick Thompson, about how Crabs operates and simply band Crabs from playing in any division of 2020. You are correct, this is a 2019/2018 team and have no right to play in a 2020 division. The push back from Crabs would be that all of his players are 2020 year graduates, but we all know the age of many of the players are old 14 and some very very close to 15, playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. Not sure if the Commissioner would have the guts to do this, don't know how well he is connected to Ryan McClernan but I am damn well sure he is well aware of how Crabs operates. Simply a disgusting man and organization. If they did get pushed out it would make many people happy to see an organization stand up to McClernan. [lacrosse], if the Commissioner is aware of this he should do this on his own, no need for anyone to request this. Do what is right for the players and the integrity of youth grade base lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The teams involved know this and honestly do not pay attention any longer. They can claim their win but they and everyone else knows it is bogus and move on. They have all been dealing w RM and his band of holdbacks far too long to care anymore. It is just comical watching the double holdbacks on the field thinking they are superior to kids two years younger. Parents must be proud of themselves and junior. The on age kids have pride in themselves and the knowledge of knowing they are the best on age players in the region. That is enough for most.

True, no worries about wins/loses but major worries about player safety and young 2020 playing against much older players, basically a 2019 team. Crabs 2020 needs to move on and find a league and enter their team as a 2019 and probably get the sh*t kicked out of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Which A team is saying they were the number one A team last year and based on what? it seems more like the coaches ego as opposed to what is best for the kids. And why would they not play AA which is the next logical step? All teams theoretically should have gotten better this year.

Im not a 91 parent, or fan, but what I know is that
91 platinum picked up some very good players from other "A" teams. They were the top "A" team in the areal ats season, they made the right decision to move up to the top league and see where they stand. Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA". 91 platinum moving to "Elite" is the next logical step.

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

Crabs are the best...deal with it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Which A team is saying they were the number one A team last year and based on what? it seems more like the coaches ego as opposed to what is best for the kids. And why would they not play AA which is the next logical step? All teams theoretically should have gotten better this year.

Im not a 91 parent, or fan, but what I know is that
91 platinum picked up some very good players from other "A" teams. They were the top "A" team in the areal ats season, they made the right decision to move up to the top league and see where they stand. Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA". 91 platinum moving to "Elite" is the next logical step.

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

On Long Island what you consider AA and A we consider A and B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are the best...deal with it!

Crabs are a group of cheaters, admit it and deal with a-hole.
You know it and so does the entire lacrosse community, so just keep on with your lies.

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Which A team is saying they were the number one A team last year and based on what? it seems more like the coaches ego as opposed to what is best for the kids. And why would they not play AA which is the next logical step? All teams theoretically should have gotten better this year.

Im not a 91 parent, or fan, but what I know is that
91 platinum picked up some very good players from other "A" teams. They were the top "A" team in the areal ats season, they made the right decision to move up to the top league and see where they stand. Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA". 91 platinum moving to "Elite" is the next logical step.

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

You clearly do not understand the landscape with this age group. Lets see first if 91 platinum gets into the bracket - several of the more conpetitive AA teams have decided it is not worth dragging their kids for this play day so they may make it but at that point their results will either make or break them. This is a talented group of higher level teams - 91 platinum may be ready for a jump to AA but will struggle to compete with the top teams. They may get close to 91 Force as Millon will dictate Force not win by a wide margin so as no to embarass the club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Which A team is saying they were the number one A team last year and based on what? it seems more like the coaches ego as opposed to what is best for the kids. And why would they not play AA which is the next logical step? All teams theoretically should have gotten better this year.

Im not a 91 parent, or fan, but what I know is that
91 platinum picked up some very good players from other "A" teams. They were the top "A" team in the areal ats season, they made the right decision to move up to the top league and see where they stand. Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA". 91 platinum moving to "Elite" is the next logical step.

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

They added Elite as an invite only bracket - you can argue about whether or not specific teams belong there but no other area could put together a bracket as strong as this one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

Trust me d bag, he is well beyond good enough to play for Crabs but he wants nothing to do with them, mainly because he is on age, straight A student, is a started on an AA team and has no desire to repeat a grade like Ryan wants most to do in the Crabs organization. Keep telling your son he is great, it's fine to abuse the system and try to get ahead. I'm sure you are so proud when he and his "older" team can beat a mostly on age team. If you think Crabs is the best club team in the US, you need to grab your ears and pull your head out of your a*s. Or just leave it there and be part of the most disgusting youth club team in the US.

Sorry for your situation with your son....hopefully he does not become a bitter old man like his father.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

Trust me d bag, he is well beyond good enough to play for Crabs but he wants nothing to do with them, mainly because he is on age, straight A student, is a started on an AA team and has no desire to repeat a grade like Ryan wants most to do in the Crabs organization. Keep telling your son he is great, it's fine to abuse the system and try to get ahead. I'm sure you are so proud when he and his "older" team can beat a mostly on age team. If you think Crabs is the best club team in the US, you need to grab your ears and pull your head out of your a*s. Or just leave it there and be part of the most disgusting youth club team in the US.

Keep crying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As much as I hate to say it - and believe me I do - Crabs 2020 is going to roll through this league. There is no way a team of what is essentially 2019s/2018s shouldn't win every game. RM's holdback strategy wins. Sorry to say it - but - its a fact.

True, but at least everyone will know why.

Would be nice to see other team coaches protest to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference Commissioner, Derrick Thompson, about how Crabs operates and simply band Crabs from playing in any division of 2020. You are correct, this is a 2019/2018 team and have no right to play in a 2020 division. The push back from Crabs would be that all of his players are 2020 year graduates, but we all know the age of many of the players are old 14 and some very very close to 15, playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. Not sure if the Commissioner would have the guts to do this, don't know how well he is connected to Ryan McClernan but I am damn well sure he is well aware of how Crabs operates. Simply a disgusting man and organization. If they did get pushed out it would make many people happy to see an organization stand up to McClernan. [lacrosse], if the Commissioner is aware of this he should do this on his own, no need for anyone to request this. Do what is right for the players and the integrity of youth grade base lacrosse.

Only way you might get some attention is to contact the County Executive. There are people in Howard County who have held their kid back and doubt there is anyone who will stand up to RM as he is part of their "network".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

Trust me d bag, he is well beyond good enough to play for Crabs but he wants nothing to do with them, mainly because he is on age, straight A student, is a started on an AA team and has no desire to repeat a grade like Ryan wants most to do in the Crabs organization. Keep telling your son he is great, it's fine to abuse the system and try to get ahead. I'm sure you are so proud when he and his "older" team can beat a mostly on age team. If you think Crabs is the best club team in the US, you need to grab your ears and pull your head out of your a*s. Or just leave it there and be part of the most disgusting youth club team in the US.

Keep crying.

Ignore the Crab - chances are he is just a player stirring the pot. Everyone knows who and what they are - just teach your kid to have integrity and character. There are many who feel the same way you do and would not think about having their kids repeat a grade for a sport - you will never convince the Crabs otherwise. Let them continue to live in their fantasy world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

Can you remind us what happened in Denver on National television against Crush? Playing age appropriate, Crabs 2020 is just another good team.

What was the score of the Crabs vs 91 game on 4th of July on national tv? Whittle bitty crabs couldn't compete without their holdbacks...wah wah wah.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

Trust me d bag, he is well beyond good enough to play for Crabs but he wants nothing to do with them, mainly because he is on age, straight A student, is a started on an AA team and has no desire to repeat a grade like Ryan wants most to do in the Crabs organization. Keep telling your son he is great, it's fine to abuse the system and try to get ahead. I'm sure you are so proud when he and his "older" team can beat a mostly on age team. If you think Crabs is the best club team in the US, you need to grab your ears and pull your head out of your a*s. Or just leave it there and be part of the most disgusting youth club team in the US.

Keep crying.

From reading the above posters reply to your post doesn't seem he is crying at all, it seems apparent that you know you are affiliated with a very questionable organization and when confronted you feel the need to push back. Crabs is well known and not respected, including the parents and fans of said organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

There is no league play for 2020s next year to move down to. Don't think that the teams that belong in the bracket are worried - there are just better teams that could move up then the ones being mentioned and that would give everyone better games. Seems like it is just based on who complained the most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

Which A team is saying they were the number one A team last year and based on what? it seems more like the coaches ego as opposed to what is best for the kids. And why would they not play AA which is the next logical step? All teams theoretically should have gotten better this year.

Im not a 91 parent, or fan, but what I know is that
91 platinum picked up some very good players from other "A" teams. They were the top "A" team in the areal ats season, they made the right decision to move up to the top league and see where they stand. Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA". 91 platinum moving to "Elite" is the next logical step.

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

You clearly do not understand the landscape with this age group. Lets see first if 91 platinum gets into the bracket - several of the more conpetitive AA teams have decided it is not worth dragging their kids for this play day so they may make it but at that point their results will either make or break them. This is a talented group of higher level teams - 91 platinum may be ready for a jump to AA but will struggle to compete with the top teams. They may get close to 91 Force as Millon will dictate Force not win by a wide margin so as no to embarass the club.

which teams are playing in this play day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the Crabs vs 91 game on 4th of July on national tv? Whittle bitty crabs couldn't compete without their holdbacks...wah wah wah.

Kind of funny that everyone cites that game. 91 was clearly better, but nobody else has come closer to them than the Crabs. So basically you are bashing the Crabs because they were the 2nd best 2020 team out there last year (and slightly better when those 5 kids who were too old were allowed to play in a grade based tournament).

When your kid is in HS, are you going to stop the game because there are kids older than him on the field? LOL. Grow a pair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The team got better this offseason, they were best "A" last year, it's time for them to move up. If they are outclassed then so be it, they will go back down the following year. I don't understand why these elitist teams care, when according to them it will be an easy win.

There is no league play for 2020s next year to move down to. Don't think that the teams that belong in the bracket are worried - there are just better teams that could move up then the ones being mentioned and that would give everyone better games. Seems like it is just based on who complained the most.

who are the better teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the Crabs vs 91 game on 4th of July on national tv? Whittle bitty crabs couldn't compete without their holdbacks...wah wah wah.

Kind of funny that everyone cites that game. 91 was clearly better, but nobody else has come closer to them than the Crabs. So basically you are bashing the Crabs because they were the 2nd best 2020 team out there last year (and slightly better when those 5 kids who were too old were allowed to play in a grade based tournament).

When your kid is in HS, are you going to stop the game because there are kids older than him on the field? LOL. Grow a pair.

it has never been an issue in high school sports, the issue is when they start running youth teams as high school teams.

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the Crabs vs 91 game on 4th of July on national tv? Whittle bitty crabs couldn't compete without their holdbacks...wah wah wah.

Kind of funny that everyone cites that game. 91 was clearly better, but nobody else has come closer to them than the Crabs. So basically you are bashing the Crabs because they were the 2nd best 2020 team out there last year (and slightly better when those 5 kids who were too old were allowed to play in a grade based tournament).

When your kid is in HS, are you going to stop the game because there are kids older than him on the field? LOL. Grow a pair.

Slightly better? You seem to conveniently forget many games. At Beach Lax, Crabs tied both Crush and Breakers and had to go to OT to win by 1 over both- even when they had those five (ahem...5?) players. Hawks gave them a run for their money too and Looneys could easily beat them if they played age appropriate players along with Long Island Express, Tomahawks and the list goes on. Stop kidding yourself - only better because you play a majority of kids 1-2 years older. On their high school teams, your players are all spread out between the schools and play MIAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Crabs and Ryan McClernan violates the spirit of grade base youth lacrosse and feels proud of it. He and his organization, including the parents/fans are all part of the deception and if you feel it is ok to have a team like the 2020 Crabs with almost the entire starting lineup loaded with holdbacks, you are just as much a cheater as Ryan McClernan. Look and listen around the lacrosse community, see how others feel about Crabs. No, it has nothing to do about wins and loses, it has to do with the abuse and cheating this organization does. If Crabs wants to do the right thing, put the 2020 team in a 2019 league, where they belong. But, you can also continue to keep your kid where he is and let him know it is ok to violate the guidelines to get ahead. 4b4xfn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the Crabs vs 91 game on 4th of July on national tv? Whittle bitty crabs couldn't compete without their holdbacks...wah wah wah.

Kind of funny that everyone cites that game. 91 was clearly better, but nobody else has come closer to them than the Crabs. So basically you are bashing the Crabs because they were the 2nd best 2020 team out there last year (and slightly better when those 5 kids who were too old were allowed to play in a grade based tournament).

When your kid is in HS, are you going to stop the game because there are kids older than him on the field? LOL. Grow a pair.

Other than 91, the teams in that tournament last summer were weak, so stop pounding your chest that Crabs was the second best. You go your heads handed to you and even with your holdbacks you would not have beaten 91. And I don't believe the number of holdbacks were 5, closer to 8 to 10. High school is completely different, what Crabs does is game the grade base youth lacrosse to make themselves look like they are a great team, with, without the holdbacks, they are just an average team. You need to grow a pair and have your son play on a team that try to abide by the rules/guidelines or would that not make you feel proud. Simply disgusting, the entire organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the Crabs vs 91 game on 4th of July on national tv? Whittle bitty crabs couldn't compete without their holdbacks...wah wah wah.

Kind of funny that everyone cites that game. 91 was clearly better, but nobody else has come closer to them than the Crabs. So basically you are bashing the Crabs because they were the 2nd best 2020 team out there last year (and slightly better when those 5 kids who were too old were allowed to play in a grade based tournament).

When your kid is in HS, are you going to stop the game because there are kids older than him on the field? LOL. Grow a pair.

Not true, Crush has had a few 1-2 point games in the past year, Looney's to name one. There are several teams that would beat the on-age crabs regularly. The Denver team lost to Edge the week before the WSYL. Without holdbacks, just another good team among several.

As has been discussed here ad nauseum, huge difference between 7th graders playing 9th graders and 10th graders playing 12th graders, but what else can a Crab parent say?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

How exactly does the conversation with your son go....
1) I have no faith in your ability to compete with kids your own age so you are repeating a grade or
2) the only way you can get into college with lax is if you repeat a grade but don't worry every one won't be laughing at you and if they do, screw them because you will get to talk about how great you were against younger kids for the rest of your life while you try to figure out why the real world is so unfair.

Parents are crazy and have their priorities so messed up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Crabs and Ryan McClernan violates the spirit of grade base youth lacrosse and feels proud of it. He and his organization, including the parents/fans are all part of the deception and if you feel it is ok to have a team like the 2020 Crabs with almost the entire starting lineup loaded with holdbacks, you are just as much a cheater as Ryan McClernan. Look and listen around the lacrosse community, see how others feel about Crabs. No, it has nothing to do about wins and loses, it has to do with the abuse and cheating this organization does. If Crabs wants to do the right thing, put the 2020 team in a 2019 league, where they belong. But, you can also continue to keep your kid where he is and let him know it is ok to violate the guidelines to get ahead. 4b4xfn

Tell it to the County Executive who seems to be trying to clean things up In HC but those in Howard County who have held back their kids and RM will be ready to dismiss your claim. There is no integrity in the sport even when run by a government. Don't you think there was a reason why they were an early adopter of grade based?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Crabs and Ryan McClernan violates the spirit of grade base youth lacrosse and feels proud of it. He and his organization, including the parents/fans are all part of the deception and if you feel it is ok to have a team like the 2020 Crabs with almost the entire starting lineup loaded with holdbacks, you are just as much a cheater as Ryan McClernan. Look and listen around the lacrosse community, see how others feel about Crabs. No, it has nothing to do about wins and loses, it has to do with the abuse and cheating this organization does. If Crabs wants to do the right thing, put the 2020 team in a 2019 league, where they belong. But, you can also continue to keep your kid where he is and let him know it is ok to violate the guidelines to get ahead. 4b4xfn

Tell it to the County Executive who seems to be trying to clean things up In HC but those in Howard County who have held back their kids and RM will be ready to dismiss your claim. There is no integrity in the sport even when run by a government. Don't you think there was a reason why they were an early adopter of grade based?

That is a big mystery to many. Why did a Public organization paid for by taxpayers start a grade base lacrosse league in Howard County. Not ONE other sport controlled by Howard County Recreation is grade base, NOT ONE. Only Lacrosse. Howard County and the government employees who started this should be put in with all the rest of the slimeballs who turned YOUTH lacrosse into this cesspool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA".

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

Elite Bracket is the Holdback Bracket

AA Bracket is the correct age for the grade bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA".

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

Elite Bracket is the Holdback Bracket

AA Bracket is the correct age for the grade bracket

Careful your jealousy is rearing its ugly head again. Guess you were not invited. My kid worked hard along with his team to be included in that bracket and is on age. Your spewing of nonsense is transparent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA".

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

Elite Bracket is the Holdback Bracket

AA Bracket is the correct age for the grade bracket

Careful your jealousy is rearing its ugly head again. Guess you were not invited. My kid worked hard along with his team to be included in that bracket and is on age. Your spewing of nonsense is transparent.

No jealousy here, perfectly content in playing in the AA on-age bracket. I'm just stating the facts. The teams in the Holdback Bracket all have a significant number of holdbacks. Like it or not that's the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here, the "AA" division this year is really just an "A" division and "Elite" should be "AA".

They added on "Elite" so they didn't have to call the lowest division "C".

Elite Bracket is the Holdback Bracket

AA Bracket is the correct age for the grade bracket

Careful your jealousy is rearing its ugly head again. Guess you were not invited. My kid worked hard along with his team to be included in that bracket and is on age. Your spewing of nonsense is transparent.

Can someone post the teams in the 2020 and 2021 HOCO brackets again please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Crabs and Ryan McClernan violates the spirit of grade base youth lacrosse and feels proud of it. He and his organization, including the parents/fans are all part of the deception and if you feel it is ok to have a team like the 2020 Crabs with almost the entire starting lineup loaded with holdbacks, you are just as much a cheater as Ryan McClernan. Look and listen around the lacrosse community, see how others feel about Crabs. No, it has nothing to do about wins and loses, it has to do with the abuse and cheating this organization does. If Crabs wants to do the right thing, put the 2020 team in a 2019 league, where they belong. But, you can also continue to keep your kid where he is and let him know it is ok to violate the guidelines to get ahead. 4b4xfn

Tell it to the County Executive who seems to be trying to clean things up In HC but those in Howard County who have held back their kids and RM will be ready to dismiss your claim. There is no integrity in the sport even when run by a government. Don't you think there was a reason why they were an early adopter of grade based?

That is a big mystery to many. Why did a Public organization paid for by taxpayers start a grade base lacrosse league in Howard County. Not ONE other sport controlled by Howard County Recreation is grade base, NOT ONE. Only Lacrosse. Howard County and the government employees who started this should be put in with all the rest of the slimeballs who turned YOUTH lacrosse into this cesspool.

Whaaaaa...Sorry pal, life isn't fair

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Crabs and Ryan McClernan violates the spirit of grade base youth lacrosse and feels proud of it. He and his organization, including the parents/fans are all part of the deception and if you feel it is ok to have a team like the 2020 Crabs with almost the entire starting lineup loaded with holdbacks, you are just as much a cheater as Ryan McClernan. Look and listen around the lacrosse community, see how others feel about Crabs. No, it has nothing to do about wins and loses, it has to do with the abuse and cheating this organization does. If Crabs wants to do the right thing, put the 2020 team in a 2019 league, where they belong. But, you can also continue to keep your kid where he is and let him know it is ok to violate the guidelines to get ahead. 4b4xfn

Tell it to the County Executive who seems to be trying to clean things up In HC but those in Howard County who have held back their kids and RM will be ready to dismiss your claim. There is no integrity in the sport even when run by a government. Don't you think there was a reason why they were an early adopter of grade based?

That is a big mystery to many. Why did a Public organization paid for by taxpayers start a grade base lacrosse league in Howard County. Not ONE other sport controlled by Howard County Recreation is grade base, NOT ONE. Only Lacrosse. Howard County and the government employees who started this should be put in with all the rest of the slimeballs who turned YOUTH lacrosse into this cesspool.

Whaaaaa...Sorry pal, life isn't fair

This must be a Crabs parent. They are the creators of the cesspool, along with Ryan McClernan and now it seems some employees of the Howard County Rec and Park program, Time to now find out who they are and flush them out. Shouldn't be too difficult. I'm sure they have strong ties with McClernan, who, if I had to guess first contacted them and sold his grade base system. When they jumped onboard, he began his "gaming" the grade base system and it is now where it is today, with
Crabs having sh*t loads of holdbacks. Yes, it is a question of being fair, and that word is not in McClernans vocabulary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Crabs and Ryan McClernan violates the spirit of grade base youth lacrosse and feels proud of it. He and his organization, including the parents/fans are all part of the deception and if you feel it is ok to have a team like the 2020 Crabs with almost the entire starting lineup loaded with holdbacks, you are just as much a cheater as Ryan McClernan. Look and listen around the lacrosse community, see how others feel about Crabs. No, it has nothing to do about wins and loses, it has to do with the abuse and cheating this organization does. If Crabs wants to do the right thing, put the 2020 team in a 2019 league, where they belong. But, you can also continue to keep your kid where he is and let him know it is ok to violate the guidelines to get ahead. 4b4xfn

Tell it to the County Executive who seems to be trying to clean things up In HC but those in Howard County who have held back their kids and RM will be ready to dismiss your claim. There is no integrity in the sport even when run by a government. Don't you think there was a reason why they were an early adopter of grade based?

That is a big mystery to many. Why did a Public organization paid for by taxpayers start a grade base lacrosse league in Howard County. Not ONE other sport controlled by Howard County Recreation is grade base, NOT ONE. Only Lacrosse. Howard County and the government employees who started this should be put in with all the rest of the slimeballs who turned YOUTH lacrosse into this cesspool.

Whaaaaa...Sorry pal, life isn't fair

This must be a Crabs parent. They are the creators of the cesspool, along with Ryan McClernan and now it seems some employees of the Howard County Rec and Park program, Time to now find out who they are and flush them out. Shouldn't be too difficult. I'm sure they have strong ties with McClernan, who, if I had to guess first contacted them and sold his grade base system. When they jumped onboard, he began his "gaming" the grade base system and it is now where it is today, with
Crabs having sh*t loads of holdbacks. Yes, it is a question of being fair, and that word is not in McClernans vocabulary.

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse.

Who is actually competing this weekend for the spot in the upper 2020 bracket? Any more teams drop out for lack of interest or bad timing reasons? Hope they have enough skilled teams show up to make it worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]If the event is grade based, nobody is breaking rules. If you don't like it, don't attend grade based tournaments.

Crabs and Ryan McClernan violates the spirit of grade base youth lacrosse and feels proud of it. He and his organization, including the parents/fans are all part of the deception and if you feel it is ok to have a team like the 2020 Crabs with almost the entire starting lineup loaded with holdbacks, you are just as much a cheater as Ryan McClernan. Look and listen around the lacrosse community, see how others feel about Crabs. No, it has nothing to do about wins and loses, it has to do with the abuse and cheating this organization does. If Crabs wants to do the right thing, put the 2020 team in a 2019 league, where they belong. But, you can also continue to keep your kid where he is and let him know it is ok to violate the guidelines to get ahead. 4b4xfn

Tell it to the County Executive who seems to be trying to clean things up In HC but those in Howard County who have held back their kids and RM will be ready to dismiss your claim. There is no integrity in the sport even when run by a government. Don't you think there was a reason why they were an early adopter of grade based?

That is a big mystery to many. Why did a Public organization paid for by taxpayers start a grade base lacrosse league in Howard County. Not ONE other sport controlled by Howard County Recreation is grade base, NOT ONE. Only Lacrosse. Howard County and the government employees who started this should be put in with all the rest of the slimeballs who turned YOUTH lacrosse into this cesspool.

Whaaaaa...Sorry pal, life isn't fair

This must be a Crabs parent. They are the creators of the cesspool, along with Ryan McClernan and now it seems some employees of the Howard County Rec and Park program, Time to now find out who they are and flush them out. Shouldn't be too difficult. I'm sure they have strong ties with McClernan, who, if I had to guess first contacted them and sold his grade base system. When they jumped onboard, he began his "gaming" the grade base system and it is now where it is today, with
Crabs having sh*t loads of holdbacks. Yes, it is a question of being fair, and that word is not in McClernans vocabulary.

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse.

USL has made changes this year. Instead of the promotion of the two year system (U15, U13, etc), they now promote single age and only use 2 year if necessary.

The below is right from the 2016 USL Guidelines
Grade - based competition:
For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster.
If a league or local program needs to group two years or grades together, it should strive to limit the maximum age
difference between players in any youth game to no more than twenty-four (24) months.
US Lacrosse discourages, but does not prohibit, a player eligible to play on a team in a younger age division from �playing up� on an older age division team, within such a twenty-four month age spread.
However, in no situation may a player �play down� below his appropriate age level.

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse.

Who knows, maybe an anonymous letter to the County Executive and a copy to the County State's Attorney would get their attention. I'm saying anonymous as I wouldn't think a parent of a player would want to sign such a letter as that correspondence will surely trickle down to the Lacrosse Commissioner and other employees in the Howard County Rec and Parks Dept. and no one knows who, if anyone, has a connection/relationship with Ryan McClernan and if they do there is the chance that they could take some retaliatory action against a parents son or team. With Ryan McClernan you never know as he always his way and he could try and cause problems for someone interfering.

This must be a Crabs parent. They are the creators of the cesspool, along with Ryan McClernan and now it seems some employees of the Howard County Rec and Park program, Time to now find out who they are and flush them out. Shouldn't be too difficult. I'm sure they have strong ties with McClernan, who, if I had to guess first contacted them and sold his grade base system. When they jumped onboard, he began his "gaming" the grade base system and it is now where it is today, with
Crabs having sh*t loads of holdbacks. Yes, it is a question of being fair, and that word is not in McClernans vocabulary.[/quote]

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse. [/quote]

What is stopping you? I wonder if they've pondered that and realized that youth lacrosse has been organized by 2 year age groups since the beginning. And that if Hoco said let's change 2020 to u15 probably every 2020 kid (including crabs) would be eligible. My 2020 kid is spring 2002 and not crab, so save the your kid is a hold back response.

BTW- Crabs were not part of the formation of the Hoco league. RM had run the NYPLL until it folded a few weeks ago. That league was actually age based until last season. You can criticize him for many things but this move to grade actually started in NY. Not sure why since their school system is calendar year and thus their grade based teams will average 3-4 months younger if before hold backs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse.

Who knows, maybe an anonymous letter to the County Executive and a copy to the County State's Attorney would get their attention. I'm saying anonymous as I wouldn't think a parent of a player would want to sign such a letter as that correspondence will surely trickle down to the Lacrosse Commissioner and other employees in the Howard County Rec and Parks Dept. and no one knows who, if anyone, has a connection/relationship with Ryan McClernan and if they do there is the chance that they could take some retaliatory action against a parents son or team. With Ryan McClernan you never know as he always his way and he could try and cause problems for someone interfering.

That's right. Be careful. I heard there is a body buried under the turf at BL. Rumor is a kid got cut and the father complained and was never seen again. He sleeps with STX Barney's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This must be a Crabs parent. They are the creators of the cesspool, along with Ryan McClernan and now it seems some employees of the Howard County Rec and Park program, Time to now find out who they are and flush them out. Shouldn't be too difficult. I'm sure they have strong ties with McClernan, who, if I had to guess first contacted them and sold his grade base system. When they jumped onboard, he began his "gaming" the grade base system and it is now where it is today, with
Crabs having sh*t loads of holdbacks. Yes, it is a question of being fair, and that word is not in McClernans vocabulary.

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse. [/quote]

What is stopping you? I wonder if they've pondered that and realized that youth lacrosse has been organized by 2 year age groups since the beginning. And that if Hoco said let's change 2020 to u15 probably every 2020 kid (including crabs) would be eligible. My 2020 kid is spring 2002 and not crab, so save the your kid is a hold back response.

BTW- Crabs were not part of the formation of the Hoco league. RM had run the NYPLL until it folded a few weeks ago. That league was actually age based until last season. You can criticize him for many things but this move to grade actually started in NY. Not sure why since their school system is calendar year and thus their grade based teams will average 3-4 months younger if before hold backs[/quote]

Hogan was the one mainly involved with NYPPL - not RM. Crabs were involved the first year with HoCo and their 2020 team played. RM started holdbacks in the mid Atlantic and made it his business model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This must be a Crabs parent. They are the creators of the cesspool, along with Ryan McClernan and now it seems some employees of the Howard County Rec and Park program, Time to now find out who they are and flush them out. Shouldn't be too difficult. I'm sure they have strong ties with McClernan, who, if I had to guess first contacted them and sold his grade base system. When they jumped onboard, he began his "gaming" the grade base system and it is now where it is today, with
Crabs having sh*t loads of holdbacks. Yes, it is a question of being fair, and that word is not in McClernans vocabulary.

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse. [/quote]

What is stopping you? I wonder if they've pondered that and realized that youth lacrosse has been organized by 2 year age groups since the beginning. And that if Hoco said let's change 2020 to u15 probably every 2020 kid (including crabs) would be eligible. My 2020 kid is spring 2002 and not crab, so save the your kid is a hold back response.

BTW- Crabs were not part of the formation of the Hoco league. RM had run the NYPLL until it folded a few weeks ago. That league was actually age based until last season. You can criticize him for many things but this move to grade actually started in NY. Not sure why since their school system is calendar year and thus their grade based teams will average 3-4 months younger if before hold backs [/quote]

McClernan was involved with the HOCO league and Crabs played in several age brackets. They didn't last year but in prior years they did. One thing McClernan wanted when in the HOCO league was that all Crabs games be played at Boys Latin. He didn't want to have to come to the HOCO fields. Who knows, maybe grade base started in NY but everyone can agree, he grabbed on to it very quickly and began to violate the true spirit of grade base. If 2020 was changed to U15 today there are quite a few Crab players who would not be eligible. This is the main reason, I believe, that many are fed up with the way he "games" the grade base system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse.

Who knows, maybe an anonymous letter to the County Executive and a copy to the County State's Attorney would get their attention. I'm saying anonymous as I wouldn't think a parent of a player would want to sign such a letter as that correspondence will surely trickle down to the Lacrosse Commissioner and other employees in the Howard County Rec and Parks Dept. and no one knows who, if anyone, has a connection/relationship with Ryan McClernan and if they do there is the chance that they could take some retaliatory action against a parents son or team. With Ryan McClernan you never know as he always his way and he could try and cause problems for someone interfering.

That's right. Be careful. I heard there is a body buried under the turf at BL. Rumor is a kid got cut and the father complained and was never seen again. He sleeps with STX Barney's

Maybe and hopefully there is room for you there also. So now we know the reason why BL always has that raunchy smell around their campus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This must be a Crabs parent. They are the creators of the cesspool, along with Ryan McClernan and now it seems some employees of the Howard County Rec and Park program, Time to now find out who they are and flush them out. Shouldn't be too difficult. I'm sure they have strong ties with McClernan, who, if I had to guess first contacted them and sold his grade base system. When they jumped onboard, he began his "gaming" the grade base system and it is now where it is today, with
Crabs having sh*t loads of holdbacks. Yes, it is a question of being fair, and that word is not in McClernans vocabulary.

The reality is everyone on the forum will complain about it anonymously but nobody is willing to actually contact the County Executive or somebody that might think twice about the practice. The Lawyers for the County would probably be the most concerned as it would be difficult to defend that it is standard practice for large age differences resulting in large size difference in youth lacrosse and the prevention of avoidable injuries. Maybe they would force them to use USL guidelines of one year for YOUTH lacrosse.

What is stopping you? I wonder if they've pondered that and realized that youth lacrosse has been organized by 2 year age groups since the beginning. And that if Hoco said let's change 2020 to u15 probably every 2020 kid (including crabs) would be eligible. My 2020 kid is spring 2002 and not crab, so save the your kid is a hold back response.

BTW- Crabs were not part of the formation of the Hoco league. RM had run the NYPLL until it folded a few weeks ago. That league was actually age based until last season. You can criticize him for many things but this move to grade actually started in NY. Not sure why since their school system is calendar year and thus their grade based teams will average 3-4 months younger if before hold backs [/quote]

McClernan was involved with the HOCO league and Crabs played in several age brackets. They didn't last year but in prior years they did. One thing McClernan wanted when in the HOCO league was that all Crabs games be played at Boys Latin. He didn't want to have to come to the HOCO fields. Who knows, maybe grade base started in NY but everyone can agree, he grabbed on to it very quickly and began to violate the true spirit of grade base. If 2020 was changed to U15 today there are quite a few Crab players who would not be eligible. This is the main reason, I believe, that many are fed up with the way he "games" the grade base system.[/quote]

The 1st year was 2013 and no Crab teams participated. In 2014 2020 2021 crabs were in Hoco. In 2015 no Crabs teams in hoco. Not a fan of RM but he didnt have anything to do with the formation of hoco club league or force all the teams to go grade. Also any club has the option of using home field, provided they pay for turf, have someone run score board, clock etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your only as good as the competition you play, if they don't do well they can play "A" tournaments.

Theybwerebthe beat "A" team last year, why shouldn't they move up a bracket and see where they fit in.

They have also complained for the last 7 months about the game they lost to FCA White - how the heck do they expect to compete against FCA Blue and are we going to listen to the whining the entire season ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have also complained for the last 7 months about the game they lost to FCA White - how the heck do they expect to compete against FCA Blue and are we going to listen to the whining the entire season ?

Fwiw, 91 platinum has gained a few very good players. The game they lost last year was not to the legitimate FCA white, they had BLUE players on the white team during the tournament.

2020 crabs vs FcA March 13 battle of the holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 crabs vs FcA March 13 battle of the holdback.

Where is the HOCO 2016 schedule and Divisions at?

Most be a Looneys parent jealous

or the parent of any other kid that does not play on a team that games the system

[quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

Why would a Looney's parent be jealous? Crabs and FCA, two of the biggest violators of holdbacks in grade base youth lacrosse and just all around cheaters, mixing teams to suit their needs, in violation of league/tournament rules. Having three to four times as many holdbacks than any other team. Crabs and FCA Blue have the most, Crabs the largest amount closely followed by FCA Blue. Don't even try to deny it, just live with your cheating and try and convenience yourself your team is really good. What a joke.

Looneys parents trying to say this so that when they get beat they have an excuse. Keep trying to convince yourself that Looneys barely has any holdbacks when in reality they have just as many as Crabs and FCA .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2020 crabs vs FcA March 13 battle of the holdback.

Where is the HOCO 2016 schedule and Divisions at?

Where is it at?

Yes, OK We cheat: we game the club system with holdbacks, our 19 and 20 year olds will matriculate to the Ivy's, they will graduate and use the lax bro network to get jobs on Wall Street, make their millions and retire to the Gold Coast of LI, and follow the same route with their sons. OK? Satified, now can we discuss something else?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

Why would a Looney's parent be jealous? Crabs and FCA, two of the biggest violators of holdbacks in grade base youth lacrosse and just all around cheaters, mixing teams to suit People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents trying to say this so that when they get beat they have an excuse. Keep trying to convince yourself that Looneys barely has any holdbacks when in reality they have just as many as Crabs and FCA .

You are completely wrong and clearly show you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even close, I believe they have two. Crabs 2020 has at least 10 and FCA Blue around 6. Crabs is just a cesspool of an organization and FCA tries to hide behind Christianity, which they demonstrate they are anything but.

Yes, OK We cheat: we game the club system with holdbacks, our 19 and 20 year olds will matriculate to the Ivy's, they will graduate and use the lax bro network to get jobs on Wall Street, make their millions and retire to the Gold Coast of LI, and follow the same route with their sons. OK? Satified, now can we discuss something else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents trying to say this so that when they get beat they have an excuse. Keep trying to convince yourself that Looneys barely has any holdbacks when in reality they have just as many as Crabs and FCA .

You are completely wrong and clearly show you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even close, I believe they have two. Crabs 2020 has at least 10 and FCA Blue around 6. Crabs is just a cesspool of an organization and FCA tries to hide behind Christianity, which they demonstrate they are anything but.

FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

Yes, OK We cheat: we game the club system with holdbacks, our 19 and 20 year olds will matriculate to the Ivy's, they will graduate and use the lax bro network to get jobs on Wall Street, make their millions and retire to the Gold Coast of LI, and follow the same route with their sons. OK? Satified, now can we discuss something else?

Yes, I think that settles it....now let's move on from all of this holdback nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, OK We cheat: we game the club system with holdbacks, our 19 and 20 year olds will matriculate to the Ivy's, they will graduate and use the lax bro network to get jobs on Wall Street, make their millions and retire to the Gold Coast of LI, and follow the same route with their sons. OK? Satified, now can we discuss something else?

In your dream

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

Why would a Looney's parent be jealous? Crabs and FCA, two of the biggest violators of holdbacks in grade base youth lacrosse and just all around cheaters, mixing teams to suit People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

I do not believe anyone is saying none of these teams in this new division has no holdbacks, all of them do to an extent but not to the extent of Crabs. Their 2020 team is very close to a 2019 team, they clearly violate the spirit of grade base lacrosse and this is the business model of Ryan McClernan. If you are at all familiar with this age group/teams you know Crabs is the most disliked and disrespected team in youth lacrosse. Not because of their record (wins/loses) but because of how the "game" the system. There is a two year age limit in the new US Lacrosse guidelines for grade base, using the oldest player on the roster. Using this new model Crabs would have around 3 or 4 that would not be eligible. 2020 grade base is using U15 and this is where Crabs would and should lose players. 2020 teams should have a roster of 13 and 14 year olds, not 15 year olds or older 14's turning 15 sometime during the spring season.

We cheat, we cheat, we cheat:

Yes, OK We cheat: we game the club system with holdbacks, our 19 and 20 year olds will matriculate to the Ivy's, they will graduate and use the lax bro network to get jobs on Wall Street, make their millions and retire to the Gold Coast of LI, and follow the same route with their sons. OK? Satified, now can we discuss something else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents trying to say this so that when they get beat they have an excuse. Keep trying to convince yourself that Looneys barely has any holdbacks when in reality they have just as many as Crabs and FCA .

You are completely wrong and clearly show you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even close, I believe they have two. Crabs 2020 has at least 10 and FCA Blue around 6. Crabs is just a cesspool of an organization and FCA tries to hide behind Christianity, which they demonstrate they are anything but.

FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

FCA had at least 2 that I am aware of before the 2019 kids came down. I'm sure their were more than two though, I don't know every kid on the team.

We cheat, we cheat, we cheat:

Yes, OK We cheat: we game the club system with holdbacks, our 19 and 20 year olds will matriculate to the Ivy's, they will graduate and use the lax bro network to get jobs on Wall Street, make their millions and retire to the Gold Coast of LI, and follow the same route with their sons. OK? Satified, now can we discuss something else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

Why would a Looney's parent be jealous? Crabs and FCA, two of the biggest violators of holdbacks in grade base youth lacrosse and just all around cheaters, mixing teams to suit People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Very wrong. Two of those teams have a large number of holdbacks. Stop making excuses for why you are not in the bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have also complained for the last 7 months about the game they lost to FCA White - how the heck do they expect to compete against FCA Blue and are we going to listen to the whining the entire season ?

Fwiw, 91 platinum has gained a few very good players. The game they lost last year was not to the legitimate FCA white, they had BLUE players on the white team during the tournament.

7 months and 2 days....

And will work for Goldman and donate $$$$$ to Hillary and she will ensure that rules will change so that there will be no more holdbacks....and every kid will get a trophy too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We cheat, we cheat, we cheat:

Yes, OK We cheat: we game the club system with holdbacks, our 19 and 20 year olds will matriculate to the Ivy's, they will graduate and use the lax bro network to get jobs on Wall Street, make their millions and retire to the Gold Coast of LI, and follow the same route with their sons. OK? Satified, now can we discuss something else?

Hey dad, your break is over. You know the employee rules, Walmart greeters are only allowed one 10 break per day. Now get off the computer and get back to work, there are customers coming in the store.

And will work for Goldman and donate $$$$$ to Hillary and she will ensure that rules will change so that there will be no more holdbacks....and every kid will get a trophy too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have also complained for the last 7 months about the game they lost to FCA White - how the heck do they expect to compete against FCA Blue and are we going to listen to the whining the entire season ?

Fwiw, 91 platinum has gained a few very good players. The game they lost last year was not to the legitimate FCA white, they had BLUE players on the white team during the tournament.

7 months and 2 days....

are you the FCA coach who belittled the kids during indoor this past season, turning his back on the kids and telling them he can't even look at them? Or, are you just another FCA parent who allows another person to treat your son like garbage?

I wondered why FCA white had such issues from parents with commitment to the team, but after witnessing the coach during indoor, I fully understand why!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

Why would a Looney's parent be jealous? Crabs and FCA, two of the biggest violators of holdbacks in grade base youth lacrosse and just all around cheaters, mixing teams to suit People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

I do not believe anyone is saying none of these teams in this new division has no holdbacks, all of them do to an extent but not to the extent of Crabs. Their 2020 team is very close to a 2019 team, they clearly violate the spirit of grade base lacrosse and this is the business model of Ryan McClernan. If you are at all familiar with this age group/teams you know Crabs is the most disliked and disrespected team in youth lacrosse. Not because of their record (wins/loses) but because of how the "game" the system. There is a two year age limit in the new US Lacrosse guidelines for grade base, using the oldest player on the roster. Using this new model Crabs would have around 3 or 4 that would not be eligible. 2020 grade base is using U15 and this is where Crabs would and should lose players. 2020 teams should have a roster of 13 and 14 year olds, not 15 year olds or older 14's turning 15 sometime during the spring season.

Ok - so what? That team absolutely has more holdbacks than any other 2020 team. RM is a DB and he games the system. We know that all teams in the Elite Holdback Division have holdbacks. Let them all play each other and have at it. If they all have them and they are in the same division then why does it matter? How does this effect you? If you say the team your kid plays on is in the Elite Holdback Division - well then he's playing on a team that does the exact same thing as RM - so how is that any better?

If he's on a team that is in the AA, legit-age-grade division then he won't have to play the Crabs so you aren't effected by it. This is actually a better situation than any of the summer tournaments where they mix the hold back teams and the legit-age-grade teams so they play each other. That's when it becomes unfair and dangerous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Very wrong. Two of those teams have a large number of holdbacks. Stop making excuses for why you are not in the bracket.

So your argument is that 2 teams have a large number of holdbacks but the other teams only have a small number? And that makes it unfair? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents trying to say this so that when they get beat they have an excuse. Keep trying to convince yourself that Looneys barely has any holdbacks when in reality they have just as many as Crabs and FCA .

You are completely wrong and clearly show you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even close, I believe they have two. Crabs 2020 has at least 10 and FCA Blue around 6. Crabs is just a cesspool of an organization and FCA tries to hide behind Christianity, which they demonstrate they are anything but.

FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

FCA had at least 2 that I am aware of before the 2019 kids came down. I'm sure their were more than two though, I don't know every kid on the team.

Yes that's what I said 2 were summer birthdays and one they just got is a defender that was held back for grades

Whahhhhhhhh

Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents trying to say this so that when they get beat they have an excuse. Keep trying to convince yourself that Looneys barely has any holdbacks when in reality they have just as many as Crabs and FCA .

You are completely wrong and clearly show you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even close, I believe they have two. Crabs 2020 has at least 10 and FCA Blue around 6. Crabs is just a cesspool of an organization and FCA tries to hide behind Christianity, which they demonstrate they are anything but.

FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

FCA had at least 2 that I am aware of before the 2019 kids came down. I'm sure their were more than two though, I don't know every kid on the team.

Yes that's what I said 2 were summer birthdays and one they just got is a defender that was held back for grades

[lacrosse] many total? 5...6? or more!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Very wrong. Two of those teams have a large number of holdbacks. Stop making excuses for why you are not in the bracket.

So your argument is that 2 teams have a large number of holdbacks but the other teams only have a small number? And that makes it unfair? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

You got it. Just because holdbacks are on all teams, most with only a few but Crabs with at least 8+, that does make it unfair. The spirit of grade base lacrosse was started not for holdbacks but Crabs and RM, their leader, took it to a whole new level, creating a 2020 team with a sh*tload of holdbacks and even has two double holdbacks. This team has mostly older players and this could present a dangerous situation with players either 15 or very close to 15 playing teams with mostly 13 and young 14 year olds. This is clearly unfair, in the way Crabs violates the true spirit of grade base youth lacrosse. It is how they operate and have for the past few years. I don't know if you have ever seen their 2020 team, I have several times and you can clearly see these players are much older and bigger. Just because most teams have a few and Crabs has a boatload is not the pot calling the kettle black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Very wrong. Two of those teams have a large number of holdbacks. Stop making excuses for why you are not in the bracket.

So your argument is that 2 teams have a large number of holdbacks but the other teams only have a small number? And that makes it unfair? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

The point is that most if not all of the AAs -elite or not- have a combination of hold backs and summer birthdays. If a 2020 is not born between 9/1/2001 and 8/31/2002 they are considered not age appropriate 2020s regardless of when they were born or the story behind it. If teams feel they do not have ANY of those, then post your rosters on your website but the majority do so nobody can claim the elite bracket is the hold back bracket. Some teams in the bracket (Crabs and FCA) do have many more than what just happens naturally. Crabs obviously being the king and encourages it. But there are fantastic teams in that elite bracket that have the same number as teams in the regular AA and even the A bracket so just because you are not in AA do not paint the teams who are as laden with holdbacks. In this mess, no team is innocent and it is a matter of degrees but if they were to switch to MD state age guidelines, every team would lose kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

Why would a Looney's parent be jealous? Crabs and FCA, two of the biggest violators of holdbacks in grade base youth lacrosse and just all around cheaters, mixing teams to suit People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

I do not believe anyone is saying none of these teams in this new division has no holdbacks, all of them do to an extent but not to the extent of Crabs. Their 2020 team is very close to a 2019 team, they clearly violate the spirit of grade base lacrosse and this is the business model of Ryan McClernan. If you are at all familiar with this age group/teams you know Crabs is the most disliked and disrespected team in youth lacrosse. Not because of their record (wins/loses) but because of how the "game" the system. There is a two year age limit in the new US Lacrosse guidelines for grade base, using the oldest player on the roster. Using this new model Crabs would have around 3 or 4 that would not be eligible. 2020 grade base is using U15 and this is where Crabs would and should lose players. 2020 teams should have a roster of 13 and 14 year olds, not 15 year olds or older 14's turning 15 sometime during the spring season.

Ok - so what? That team absolutely has more holdbacks than any other 2020 team. RM is a DB and he games the system. We know that all teams in the Elite Holdback Division have holdbacks. Let them all play each other and have at it. If they all have them and they are in the same division then why does it matter? How does this effect you? If you say the team your kid plays on is in the Elite Holdback Division - well then he's playing on a team that does the exact same thing as RM - so how is that any better?

If he's on a team that is in the AA, legit-age-grade division then he won't have to play the Crabs so you aren't effected by it. This is actually a better situation than any of the summer tournaments where they mix the hold back teams and the legit-age-grade teams so they play each other. That's when it becomes unfair and dangerous.

No, not all teams do what Crabs/RM does. They do not build a team of mostly holdbacks like they do. Most teams, if we had access to dates of birth would probably reveal 2 or 3 per team, not 8+ lie on the Crabs roster. Plus it has been mentioned many times that they have two double holdbacks on the 2020 team. If a 2019 team was introduced into this division everyone would be up in arms, yet here come Crabs with a 2020 team that is very close to a 2019 team and you are saying so what? You mentioned dangerous in mixing AA and holdback teams, and I agree. But there is a dangerous situation in the 2020 Elite group with Crabs present. This team has so many holdbacks and you have older 14 and perhaps some 15 year olds playing against mostly 13 and young 14 year olds. That doesn't lend itself to fair play and it could lead to some serious injuries based merely on the size of these older players. The true meaning and spirit of grade base was not to violate it like Crabs does but RM saw a way to make his teams stronger simply by having much older players. Talk to some of the parents who had kids playing for Crabs and were told the only way they could remain with the team is to repeat a year and be a holdback. This is fact, not fiction, it is well known in the lacrosse community, not just in Md. but throughout lacrosse. Their reputation and how they operate is well known.

My son is on a 2020 team with not as many holdbacks. He'll be 14 soon. He's pumped to play the crabs and other top teams this spring. He wants to play varsity lacrosse next year. He's not huge so he's got to learn to play with bigger and older players. There is some unfairness with grade based lacrosse to the kids who are born later. Would be the same with single year age -- ie 9/1/01 birthday and 8/31/02 birthday. And definitely a 2 yr u15 age bracket 9/1/00 to 8/31/02. To me if your kid is in 8th grade, is passionate about the game, has goals to be a impact player in HS and perhaps play in college - it's time stop worrying about the ages of his competitors and teammates. IMO those who are obsessed about this suffer from the same affliction as those who would have their kid repeat a grade for lax -- a desire to control their kids athletic endeavors. Let the kids play and enjoy the game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They have also complained for the last 7 months about the game they lost to FCA White - how the heck do they expect to compete against FCA Blue and are we going to listen to the whining the entire season ?

Fwiw, 91 platinum has gained a few very good players. The game they lost last year was not to the legitimate FCA white, they had BLUE players on the white team during the tournament.

How do they expect to compete in the AA Elite bracket skipping over AA if they were upset and continually bring up the loss to a team with all on age players in a 2020 A tournament? It is common for clubs to switch players between teams in order to field a team for tournaments -they did not bring in older players and had all players on the roster ahead of time for the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on a 2020 team with not as many holdbacks. He'll be 14 soon. He's pumped to play the crabs and other top teams this spring. He wants to play varsity lacrosse next year. He's not huge so he's got to learn to play with bigger and older players. There is some unfairness with grade based lacrosse to the kids who are born later. Would be the same with single year age -- ie 9/1/01 birthday and 8/31/02 birthday. And definitely a 2 yr u15 age bracket 9/1/00 to 8/31/02. To me if your kid is in 8th grade, is passionate about the game, has goals to be a impact player in HS and perhaps play in college - it's time stop worrying about the ages of his competitors and teammates. IMO those who are obsessed about this suffer from the same affliction as those who would have their kid repeat a grade for lax -- a desire to control their kids athletic endeavors. Let the kids play and enjoy the game

Highly doubt it is the other AA Elite teams complaining because they, just like most of the AA, are not squeaky clean. The kids that regularly play the Crabs know their story and laugh about it. They walk away knowing that they had a great competitive game with predominantly 2019s- the only ones that keep track of W/L in their bracket seem to be Crabs and Looneys so they can brag on their website but who cares anymore? They can live with themselves and our kids get tough games to fine tune their skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys parents trying to say this so that when they get beat they have an excuse. Keep trying to convince yourself that Looneys barely has any holdbacks when in reality they have just as many as Crabs and FCA .

You are completely wrong and clearly show you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even close, I believe they have two. Crabs 2020 has at least 10 and FCA Blue around 6. Crabs is just a cesspool of an organization and FCA tries to hide behind Christianity, which they demonstrate they are anything but.

FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

FCA had at least 2 that I am aware of before the 2019 kids came down. I'm sure their were more than two though, I don't know every kid on the team.

Yes that's what I said 2 were summer birthdays and one they just got is a defender that was held back for grades

[lacrosse] many total? 5...6? or more!

Try 3...how do parents from the other teams know how many of the kids are on age or not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on a 2020 team with not as many holdbacks. He'll be 14 soon. He's pumped to play the crabs and other top teams this spring. He wants to play varsity lacrosse next year. He's not huge so he's got to learn to play with bigger and older players. There is some unfairness with grade based lacrosse to the kids who are born later. Would be the same with single year age -- ie 9/1/01 birthday and 8/31/02 birthday. And definitely a 2 yr u15 age bracket 9/1/00 to 8/31/02. To me if your kid is in 8th grade, is passionate about the game, has goals to be a impact player in HS and perhaps play in college - it's time stop worrying about the ages of his competitors and teammates. IMO those who are obsessed about this suffer from the same affliction as those who would have their kid repeat a grade for lax -- a desire to control their kids athletic endeavors. Let the kids play and enjoy the game

. Main concern is playing a team like Crabs with so many holdbacks/double holdbacks is player safety. For the most part older 14 year olds and close to 15 are much different than playing against other 13/14 year olds. Contrary to your statement, I don't believe anyone is obsessed with holdbacks in general, it is when an organization makes it their business model, player safety comes into play. I'm sure you would not like it if your son was run over by a 6foot 180 lb older 14 year old and it ended his season. Safety is the focus and concern, not holdbacks per se or win/losses.

LOL. Madlax has the most holdbacks, but nobody mentions them. I guess they would if Madlax had better teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on a 2020 team with not as many holdbacks. He'll be 14 soon. He's pumped to play the crabs and other top teams this spring. He wants to play varsity lacrosse next year. He's not huge so he's got to learn to play with bigger and older players. There is some unfairness with grade based lacrosse to the kids who are born later. Would be the same with single year age -- ie 9/1/01 birthday and 8/31/02 birthday. And definitely a 2 yr u15 age bracket 9/1/00 to 8/31/02. To me if your kid is in 8th grade, is passionate about the game, has goals to be a impact player in HS and perhaps play in college - it's time stop worrying about the ages of his competitors and teammates. IMO those who are obsessed about this suffer from the same affliction as those who would have their kid repeat a grade for lax -- a desire to control their kids athletic endeavors. Let the kids play and enjoy the game

. Main concern is playing a team like Crabs with so many holdbacks/double holdbacks is player safety. For the most part older 14 year olds and close to 15 are much different than playing against other 13/14 year olds. Contrary to your statement, I don't believe anyone is obsessed with holdbacks in general, it is when an organization makes it their business model, player safety comes into play. I'm sure you would not like it if your son was run over by a 6foot 180 lb older 14 year old and it ended his season. Safety is the focus and concern, not holdbacks per se or win/losses.

Good point - one of the Crabs double hold backs was 6'2" and 180 LAST year according to his HUDL profile. I guess Double holdback parents don't care about my kid or yours. The average 8th grader is about 5'7" and 125 wet maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

FCA had at least 2 that I am aware of before the 2019 kids came down. I'm sure their were more than two though, I don't know every kid on the team.

Yes that's what I said 2 were summer birthdays and one they just got is a defender that was held back for grades

[lacrosse] many total? 5...6? or more! [/quote

Try 3...how do parents from the other teams know how many of the kids are on age or not?

more than three, you had at least two before the kids came down from 2019. 1 middie and 1 attack before the 2019 arrivals.

quite a few of us have kids who played rec ball or been on other clubs with a few of your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

FCA had at least 2 that I am aware of before the 2019 kids came down. I'm sure their were more than two though, I don't know every kid on the team.

Yes that's what I said 2 were summer birthdays and one they just got is a defender that was held back for grades

[lacrosse] many total? 5...6? or more!

Try 3...how do parents from the other teams know how many of the kids are on age or not?
[/quote

more than three, you had at least two before the kids came down from 2019. 1 middie and 1 attack before the 2019 arrivals.

quite a few of us have kids who played rec ball or been on other clubs with a few of your team.

Not to mention those of us who have been coaches (where we get the entire rec council's info on a spreadsheet) and board members in other sports (basketball, football, etc) where we get entire rec rosters with birthdays, i.e Fallston, Belair, Emmorton. Did you really think that you could hide your kid's age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has 3 one on defense, one on attack, and a goalie so your argument is invalid

FCA had at least 2 that I am aware of before the 2019 kids came down. I'm sure their were more than two though, I don't know every kid on the team.

Yes that's what I said 2 were summer birthdays and one they just got is a defender that was held back for grades

[lacrosse] many total? 5...6? or more!

Try 3...how do parents from the other teams know how many of the kids are on age or not?
[/quote

more than three, you had at least two before the kids came down from 2019. 1 middie and 1 attack before the 2019 arrivals.

quite a few of us have kids who played rec ball or been on other clubs with a few of your team.

If they played rec ball together wouldnt they be the same age?
2 of the 4 that came down from 2019 are true 2020s that played up. They both had summer birthdays

Bunch losers.
Crabs 10
Fca has at least 6.
Looneys has 5
91 has 5
Hawks 3
Rising sons 9

Where is this schedule for the 2020s that was referred to earlier?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bunch losers.
Crabs 10
Fca has at least 6.
Looneys has 5
91 has 5
Hawks 3
Rising sons 9

Don't know where you got these numbers from but they are wrong. I know this because I have our team's roster. you are spreading rumors about kids. Not sure what your motive is but you have bad information. My guess is that you are the same person calling it the holdback bracket which tells us it comes from jealousy that your team is not in the bracket as opposed to facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bunch losers.
Crabs 10
Fca has at least 6.
Looneys has 5
91 has 5
Hawks 3
Rising sons 9

. Ok, so now tell us where you got your information and has it been verified by you or anyone else. No doubt Crabs would have the most, that's common knowledge but the others, are they just numbers or is it accurate info?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bunch losers.
Crabs 10
Fca has at least 6.
Looneys has 5
91 has 5
Hawks 3
Rising sons 9

Green eyed monster making up stuff again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

2021 Elite (top level)
Greene Turtle
Koopers
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
FCA
API Diamondbacks

2022 AA (top level)
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
Cannons
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Club Blue
Rough Riders
FCA

2023 AA (top level)
Rough Riders
Looney's
FCA
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Next Level
Club Blue

2024 AA (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
Madlax -Capital
FCA
Hawks
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
Thunder

2025 A (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
API Diamondbacks
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Cannons
Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes that's what I said 2 were summer birthdays and one they just got is a defender that was held back for grades

[lacrosse] many total? 5...6? or more!

Try 3...how do parents from the other teams know how many of the kids are on age or not?

more than three, you had at least two before the kids came down from 2019. 1 middie and 1 attack before the 2019 arrivals.

quite a few of us have kids who played rec ball or been on other clubs with a few of your team.

If they played rec ball together wouldnt they be the same age?
2 of the 4 that came down from 2019 are true 2020s that played up. They both had summer birthdays [/quote]

Rec teams were every other year, u11, u13 etc...

Summer 01 should be 2019. So it looks like at least 6 holdbacks or pre first, or kids who still can't spell their name. Either way, they should be 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bunch losers.
Crabs 10
Fca has at least 6.
Looneys has 5
91 has 5
Hawks 3
Rising sons 9

. Ok, so now tell us where you got your information and has it been verified by you or anyone else. No doubt Crabs would have the most, that's common knowledge but the others, are they just numbers or is it accurate info?

FCA is accurate, if not, it's more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

2021 Elite (top level)
Greene Turtle
Koopers
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
FCA
API Diamondbacks

2022 AA (top level)
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
Cannons
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Club Blue
Rough Riders
FCA

2023 AA (top level)
Rough Riders
Looney's
FCA
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Next Level
Club Blue

2024 AA (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
Madlax -Capital
FCA
Hawks
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
Thunder

2025 A (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
API Diamondbacks
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Cannons
Next Level

Great info thanks. What about the supposed 4 team "play in" bracket for 2020 elite? Is that happening?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bunch losers.
Crabs 10
Fca has at least 6.
Looneys has 5
91 has 5
Hawks 3
Rising sons 9

. Ok, so now tell us where you got your information and has it been verified by you or anyone else. No doubt Crabs would have the most, that's common knowledge but the others, are they just numbers or is it accurate info?

FCA is accurate, if not, it's more.

Again, you have no idea and are just guessing from what you "piece" together which is clearly flawed. Remember these are kids you are talking about - you are behaving no better than the holdback parents when you just throw you own guesses out there - stop the nonsense.

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Very wrong. Two of those teams have a large number of holdbacks. Stop making excuses for why you are not in the bracket.

So your argument is that 2 teams have a large number of holdbacks but the other teams only have a small number? And that makes it unfair? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

You got it. Just because holdbacks are on all teams, most with only a few but Crabs with at least 8+, that does make it unfair. The spirit of grade base lacrosse was started not for holdbacks but Crabs and RM, their leader, took it to a whole new level, creating a 2020 team with a sh*tload of holdbacks and even has two double holdbacks. This team has mostly older players and this could present a dangerous situation with players either 15 or very close to 15 playing teams with mostly 13 and young 14 year olds. This is clearly unfair, in the way Crabs violates the true spirit of grade base youth lacrosse. It is how they operate and have for the past few years. I don't know if you have ever seen their 2020 team, I have several times and you can clearly see these players are much older and bigger. Just because most teams have a few and Crabs has a boatload is not the pot calling the kettle black.

So the crabs are complete cheaters but your sons team just cheats a little. I see. You're an idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

Great info thanks. What about the supposed 4 team "play in" bracket for 2020 elite? Is that happening?

This is incorrect - it should be:

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons

The other three teams that were mentioned are in the group playing to get into the Holdback Division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

How did 91 Platinum leapfrog FCA White into the 2020 elite bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

Great info thanks. What about the supposed 4 team "play in" bracket for 2020 elite? Is that happening?

This is incorrect - it should be:

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons

The other three teams that were mentioned are in the group playing to get into the Holdback Division.

Historically Hoco does some rebalancing after the 1st 2 or 3 weeks - moving clubs up or down a level if they are getting blown out or blowing other teams out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

Looking at the rosters Madlax 2020 has several VLC kids on there roster. So they could be improved? I do not know 2021

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Very wrong. Two of those teams have a large number of holdbacks. Stop making excuses for why you are not in the bracket.

So your argument is that 2 teams have a large number of holdbacks but the other teams only have a small number? And that makes it unfair? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

You got it. Just because holdbacks are on all teams, most with only a few but Crabs with at least 8+, that does make it unfair. The spirit of grade base lacrosse was started not for holdbacks but Crabs and RM, their leader, took it to a whole new level, creating a 2020 team with a sh*tload of holdbacks and even has two double holdbacks. This team has mostly older players and this could present a dangerous situation with players either 15 or very close to 15 playing teams with mostly 13 and young 14 year olds. This is clearly unfair, in the way Crabs violates the true spirit of grade base youth lacrosse. It is how they operate and have for the past few years. I don't know if you have ever seen their 2020 team, I have several times and you can clearly see these players are much older and bigger. Just because most teams have a few and Crabs has a boatload is not the pot calling the kettle black.

So the crabs are complete cheaters but your sons team just cheats a little. I see. You're an idiot.

By your stupid response you are probably a Crab parent. It clearly is apparent you are just too stupid to see the point about player safety or are just too embarrassed to admit you are associated with Crabs. You just don't understand or can't grasp the connection that Crabs 2020 is very close to a 2019 team playing 2020 teams that, if you checked their rosters, would see they are much closer to 2020 than Crabs. If you don't feel that is unfair then I bet you cheated you way through life so far and feel proud of it. Discussing this with you is like discussing it with a dead tree. You are just way too dense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is this schedule for the 2020s that was referred to earlier?

The schedule is not out. Crabs 2020 is playing 3 scrimmages on 3/20 vs Rock, FCA and Freedom at BL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

Great info thanks. What about the supposed 4 team "play in" bracket for 2020 elite? Is that happening?

This is incorrect - it should be:

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons

The other three teams that were mentioned are in the group playing to get into the Holdback Division.

What date is this play in tournament happening?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

How did 91 Platinum leapfrog FCA White into the 2020 elite bracket?

Probably by complaining the way they still do about their game against FCA White. Not by their record - the other AA teams just don't care enough to have to say "us too". So now the teams are left with a playoff but the teams involved are not necessarily the best AA-just the ones who want to be called elite too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

Can you remind us what happened in Denver on National television against Crush? Playing age appropriate, Crabs 2020 is just another good team.

Crickets......I guess not much to say about that

You all are misinformed. You have no idea what's going on with hoco. This thread has been wrong the entire time. Get back to work.

What teams did FCA 2021 pull from?

Madlax 2021 may not be at the AA level of GT, Bethesda, Kooper's, Hawks and Crabs, but, having seen all these teams play, I think they belong in that division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

How did 91 Platinum leapfrog FCA White into the 2020 elite bracket?

91 Plat beat FCA White twice when their teams were actual "A" teams.

FCA White beat 91 Plat with their hybrid Blue / Wite team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

. Ok, so now tell us where you got your information and has it been verified by you or anyone else. No doubt Crabs would have the most, that's common knowledge but the others, are they just numbers or is it accurate info?

FCA is accurate, if not, it's more.

Again, you have no idea and are just guessing from what you "piece" together which is clearly flawed. Remember these are kids you are talking about - you are behaving no better than the holdback parents when you just throw you own guesses out there - stop the nonsense.

Stop the cheating, own your 6 maybe more players who should be 2019. It's not a guess, it is fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha, says another parent whose so was not good enough to make the best club team in the US

Can you remind us what happened in Denver on National television against Crush? Playing age appropriate, Crabs 2020 is just another good team.

Crickets......I guess not much to say about that

There are probably 3, maybe 4 local teams that would have given crush a better game with on age players than Crabs did. Now those kids who played in that game aren't getting any playing time with the 15 year olds and almost 15 year olds playing down. Crabs should just own it and stop trying to hide it. Everyone in Fallston rec and their opponents knows how old the BL kid is and many other like the Gilman kid who reclassed just last year. If they are not 15 they will be in the next month or so. Way to play down boys!

Note that Crabs isn't playing Hawks even though Hawks are playing there too. RM doesn't want to play them again after barely beating them in OT in the NPYLL Championship last year. No surprise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most be a Looneys parent jealous [/quote

People just get over the hold back thing for crying out loud! HoCo created the Holdback Division for the 2020's so those teams could all compete against each other. Every single team in that division has them. Accept it. Move on.

Crabs, FCA, Looney's, Team 91, Hawks, Rising Sons - they all have hold backs. That's why they are in the Elite Holdback Division! The good news is now the teams in the AA division, or legit age for the grade division, can't point at the hold back issue as a reason for teams winning or losing.

Very wrong. Two of those teams have a large number of holdbacks. Stop making excuses for why you are not in the bracket.

So your argument is that 2 teams have a large number of holdbacks but the other teams only have a small number? And that makes it unfair? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

You got it. Just because holdbacks are on all teams, most with only a few but Crabs with at least 8+, that does make it unfair. The spirit of grade base lacrosse was started not for holdbacks but Crabs and RM, their leader, took it to a whole new level, creating a 2020 team with a sh*tload of holdbacks and even has two double holdbacks. This team has mostly older players and this could present a dangerous situation with players either 15 or very close to 15 playing teams with mostly 13 and young 14 year olds. This is clearly unfair, in the way Crabs violates the true spirit of grade base youth lacrosse. It is how they operate and have for the past few years. I don't know if you have ever seen their 2020 team, I have several times and you can clearly see these players are much older and bigger. Just because most teams have a few and Crabs has a boatload is not the pot calling the kettle black.

So the crabs are complete cheaters but your sons team just cheats a little. I see. You're an idiot.

By your stupid response you are probably a Crab parent. It clearly is apparent you are just too stupid to see the point about player safety or are just too embarrassed to admit you are associated with Crabs. You just don't understand or can't grasp the connection that Crabs 2020 is very close to a 2019 team playing 2020 teams that, if you checked their rosters, would see they are much closer to 2020 than Crabs. If you don't feel that is unfair then I bet you cheated you way through life so far and feel proud of it. Discussing this with you is like discussing it with a dead tree. You are just way too dense.

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Note that Crabs isn't playing Hawks even though Hawks are playing there too. RM doesn't want to play them again after barely beating them in OT in the NPYLL Championship last year. No surprise.

So in the last year, they went to OT with Hawks, 91 Force and Crush - all when they had their older players? They lost to edge and crush with on age teams? Sounds like only way they can stay relevant is with the holdbacks. Too bad for their on age kids. Same reason RM controls who enters his tourneys-he keeps those he might lose to out of the mix.

Teams above have no shot in beating crabs. Hawks 91 force. Crabs improved and those two have not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who are the teams already in the Elite 2020 division?

Who are the teams playing off to get in?

How does the playoff work in terms of how many more teams get added?

yes

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

2021 Elite (top level)
Greene Turtle
Koopers
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
FCA
API Diamondbacks

2022 AA (top level)
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
Cannons
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Club Blue
Rough Riders
FCA

2023 AA (top level)
Rough Riders
Looney's
FCA
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Next Level
Club Blue

2024 AA (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
Madlax -Capital
FCA
Hawks
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
Thunder

2025 A (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
API Diamondbacks
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Cannons
Next Level

Great info thanks. What about the supposed 4 team "play in" bracket for 2020 elite? Is that happening?

Historically Hoco does some rebalancing after the 1st 2 or 3 weeks - moving clubs up or down a level if they are getting blown out or blowing other teams out

[quote=Anonymous]Teams above have no shot in beating crabs. Hawks 91 force. Crabs improved and those two have not. [/quote

Of course crabs improved-they took on even more older boys. Nobody cares if they win anymore and that is the part that crabs does not understand. Nobody cares about Crabs wins because the wins are accomplished by loading the team with holdbacks and everyone in the lacrosse world knows it. Crabs is being used now simply to prepare other teams' players for high school. Crabs has taken it too far which now puts them into the irrelevant category. You have created a win-win for the other teams in the bracket and you let all of use your team to teach our boys about character.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

Looking at the rosters Madlax 2020 has several VLC kids on there roster. So they could be improved? I do not know 2021

Name one 2020 VLC kid on the Madlax roster...or just initials. I don't see a single one on either website.

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

Looking at the rosters Madlax 2020 has several VLC kids on there roster. So they could be improved? I do not know 2021

Name one 2020 VLC kid on the Madlax roster...or just initials. I don't see a single one on either website.

You have to look at the updated rosters on the spring website. And you can tell which two. It is the two that have the same last name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

Have you ever heard of a paragraph? Try using them, it makes it easier to read your nonsense. You should also just chill out a little bit, you seem kind of worked up over this.

Plus at least one other MF on the TBD group. Do not blame anyone for want two or more practices a week plus playing in more that three tournaments in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

Looking at the rosters Madlax 2020 has several VLC kids on there roster. So they could be improved? I do not know 2021

Name one 2020 VLC kid on the Madlax roster...or just initials. I don't see a single one on either website.

You have to look at the updated rosters on the spring website. And you can tell which two. It is the two that have the same last name.

Thanks....got it. That website is tough. Those are 2 really good players. Are they committed to Madlax already? They were VLC in the fall and Madlax is still doing tryouts. I'm just wondering what has been decided yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

Have you ever heard of a paragraph? Try using them, it makes it easier to read your nonsense. You should also just chill out a little bit, you seem kind of worked up over this.

Tried using paragraphs, it just kept kicking back for some reason.

Sorry you feel this is nonsense, it really isn't, just working on ways to get this back to age base, the way it should be.

Not worked up about this at all, just the right thing needs to be done. Have some things in process, but it will take time.

I have been around youth lacrosse long enough to see what older teams can do to younger players physically and it's not pretty.

For whatever reason, paragraphs worked this time, didn't kick back. Maybe something wrong with my phone.

Then move down a conference...your son is inadequately sized and lacks talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

Have you ever heard of a paragraph? Try using them, it makes it easier to read your nonsense. You should also just chill out a little bit, you seem kind of worked up over this.

Tried using paragraphs, it just kept kicking back for some reason.

Sorry you feel this is nonsense, it really isn't, just working on ways to get this back to age base, the way it should be.

Not worked up about this at all, just the right thing needs to be done. Have some things in process, but it will take time.

I have been around youth lacrosse long enough to see what older teams can do to younger players physically and it's not pretty.

For whatever reason, paragraphs worked this time, didn't kick back. Maybe something wrong with my phone.

Appreciate your insight whether it is paragraphs or not. The majority of AA teams have at least one, if not more, older player not born between 9/1/2001 and 8/31/2002. Anyone who thinks their team does not is just fooling themselves. What do you have in progress and will it be soon enough for the 2020s this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams above have no shot in beating crabs. Hawks 91 force. Crabs improved and those two have not.

Thank you for your expert opinion based on....nothing. Must bug you that Crabs is considered irrelevant now because they have gamed the system so much and nobody cares if they win or lose. You have brainwashed your kids that winning at all costs is all that is important. Again, NOBODY CARES. You are like the bully kid on the playground - everyone else is having fun around you and getting along except for you and nobody wants to be you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

Have you ever heard of a paragraph? Try using them, it makes it easier to read your nonsense. You should also just chill out a little bit, you seem kind of worked up over this.

Tried using paragraphs, it just kept kicking back for some reason.

Sorry you feel this is nonsense, it really isn't, just working on ways to get this back to age base, the way it should be.

Not worked up about this at all, just the right thing needs to be done. Have some things in process, but it will take time.

I have been around youth lacrosse long enough to see what older teams can do to younger players physically and it's not pretty.

For whatever reason, paragraphs worked this time, didn't kick back. Maybe something wrong with my phone.

Appreciate your insight whether it is paragraphs or not. The majority of AA teams have at least one, if not more, older player not born between 9/1/2001 and 8/31/2002. Anyone who thinks their team does not is just fooling themselves. What do you have in progress and will it be soon enough for the 2020s this year?

Would not want to post on here some of the things myself and others have in progress, other than to say this needs to be handled both from the inside and outside of club leagues.

Knowing how things work in youth lacrosse, the personalities and egos involved, unfortunately it most likely won't happen this year, the season is almost underway/schedules etc. have been established but things can still move along.

More people are starting to realize the inherent dangers of holdbacks in grade base youth lacrosse, and that is the major talking point, along with the possibility of the legal community getting involved in a serious injury.

Youth lacrosse worked fine when it was age based, U12, U14 etc. and this will work today in club lacrosse. If it can be brought back to age base, people must realize some players will have to move to a different age bracket, and that is ok, they still have the opportunity to play lacrosse.

This could be run like rec football. Your age on August 1st determines the age group you play with. Show a state issued ID, end of story. They have teams at each age group, just like lacrosse. Until you reach 9th grade then do whatever you want because they have to play against older players no matter what.

It makes too much sense and the "elite" teams can't game the system to make themselves look good so it won't happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This could be run like rec football. Your age on August 1st determines the age group you play with. Show a state issued ID, end of story. They have teams at each age group, just like lacrosse. Until you reach 9th grade then do whatever you want because they have to play against older players no matter what.

It makes too much sense and the "elite" teams can't game the system to make themselves look good so it won't happen.

Serious question. Is there a separate division in youth football for kids that turn 14 before aug 1 but are still in 8th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This could be run like rec football. Your age on August 1st determines the age group you play with. Show a state issued ID, end of story. They have teams at each age group, just like lacrosse. Until you reach 9th grade then do whatever you want because they have to play against older players no matter what.

It makes too much sense and the "elite" teams can't game the system to make themselves look good so it won't happen.

Serious question. Is there a separate division in youth football for kids that turn 14 before aug 1 but are still in 8th grade?

Not in the programs where I was involved but there are more out there so I'm not sure.

Of course the top club programs place a premium on winning and being dominant. Pushing the envelope with the holdbacks enhances their chances dramatically and unfairly. But, most importantly the holdbacks are more likely to be recruited as sophomores and freshman and that ladies and gentleman is the best form of advertising the elite clubs have. The Crabs have holdbacks that would be D1 recruits as on age players, by holdingback they become dominant high level recruits. It draws the parents and kids in like flies! All of the top clubs have holdbacks, the Crabs just have the most that do not need to be heldback!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course the top club programs place a premium on winning and being dominant. Pushing the envelope with the holdbacks enhances their chances dramatically and unfairly. But, most importantly the holdbacks are more likely to be recruited as sophomores and freshman and that ladies and gentleman is the best form of advertising the elite clubs have. The Crabs have holdbacks that would be D1 recruits as on age players, by holdingback they become dominant high level recruits. It draws the parents and kids in like flies! All of the top clubs have holdbacks, the Crabs just have the most that do not need to be heldback!

. Crab holdbacks would be just average on age players, but just keep drinking the Crabs/McClernan kook aid. It helps pad his bank account.

Not drinking the Koolaid at all! I despise the prefirst, reclassify, holdback BS taking place in lacrosse. My son is a on age public school kid. My son was a one year Crab and played with the kids that have committed to UNC, MD and UVA as 2019 prefirst, reclassed, holdbacks. All three of them were very good on age players. Now would they have committed to those schools so early as on age players - two of the three probaby not, but they all would ultimately be playing high level D1 lacrosse and certainly are not average on age players. If the kid was the #2 2019 to commit (UNC) he is probably better than 95% of the 2018's. Again, strongly opposed to the holdback situation and have voiced that many times, but to say that all of the holdbacks are average on age players for the Crabs is wrong! My son has played for three of the Baltimore elite clubs and they ALL HAVE NUMEROUS HOLDBACKS / PREFIRSTS! No surprises there!!!

I would say that unless the Crabs don't play their 2019s in a 2020 division the above statement is accurate. Older kids should beat younger kids and....well... the Crabs have "a couple" of holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say that unless the Crabs don't play their 2019s in a 2020 division the above statement is accurate. Older kids should beat younger kids and....well... the Crabs have "a couple" of holdbacks.

Would like to see the Crabs "older" holdbacks on their 2020 team barred from the HOCO league this spring. You know, the older players that are really 2019 age players.

Don't feel the HOCO organizers have the ba*ls to do this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not drinking the Koolaid at all! I despise the prefirst, reclassify, holdback BS taking place in lacrosse. My son is a on age public school kid. My son was a one year Crab and played with the kids that have committed to UNC, MD and UVA as 2019 prefirst, reclassed, holdbacks. All three of them were very good on age players. Now would they have committed to those schools so early as on age players - two of the three probaby not, but they all would ultimately be playing high level D1 lacrosse and certainly are not average on age players. If the kid was the #2 2019 to commit (UNC) he is probably better than 95% of the 2018's. Again, strongly opposed to the holdback situation and have voiced that many times, but to say that all of the holdbacks are average on age players for the Crabs is wrong! My son has played for three of the Baltimore elite clubs and they ALL HAVE NUMEROUS HOLDBACKS / PREFIRSTS! No surprises there!!!

Would have to agree with you that many of the clubs have holdbacks/prefirsts, but not to the extent of Crabs. They live by this and it is wrong. Remember what happened to Crabs 2020 on age team last summer in Denver.

Was you son ever asked to repeat a grade when he played for Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

This is bull. You don't know anyone that Ryan M has told that they have to repeat to keep their spot on the team. That's because he doesn't do that. If a parent comes to him, will he give them his honest opinion? Of course. But so would a coach at an MIAA school.

It's the parents that are driving the holdback issue. Not Ryan or any other club coach. Do you expect Crabs to not offer a spot to holdbacks? Does any other club specifically not allow holdbacks? Is it Ryan's fault that his club is the one that kids strive to play for? He built a winning program and kids want to play for them. Wearing that yellow helmet is a status symbol for them.

And before you insult me, my son plays for Crabs, but is on age so don't start on me about being a cheater. My son wants to play for Crabs. He's proud that he is good enough to play for them. I guess I'm an [lacrosse] for letting him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

This is bull. You don't know anyone that Ryan M has told that they have to repeat to keep their spot on the team. That's because he doesn't do that. If a parent comes to him, will he give them his honest opinion? Of course. But so would a coach at an MIAA school.

It's the parents that are driving the holdback issue. Not Ryan or any other club coach. Do you expect Crabs to not offer a spot to holdbacks? Does any other club specifically not allow holdbacks? Is it Ryan's fault that his club is the one that kids strive to play for? He built a winning program and kids want to play for them. Wearing that yellow helmet is a status symbol for them.

And before you insult me, my son plays for Crabs, but is on age so don't start on me about being a cheater. My son wants to play for Crabs. He's proud that he is good enough to play for them. I guess I'm an [lacrosse] for letting him.

You aren't an [lacrosse] for letting him play for Crabs, kids need to play for who they feel comfortable with and maybe some of his friends play there.

But, I do know of several parents that were told that their kid would have to repeat in order to stay with Crabs and you have to admit that Ryan M does game the holdbacks and violates the true spirit of grade base lax. Ryan M drives this and many parents go along with it.

Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say that unless the Crabs don't play their 2019s in a 2020 division the above statement is accurate. Older kids should beat younger kids and....well... the Crabs have "a couple" of holdbacks.

Would like to see the Crabs "older" holdbacks on their 2020 team barred from the HOCO league this spring. You know, the older players that are really 2019 age players.

Don't feel the HOCO organizers have the ba*ls to do this.

That would be great. Then the only league they could play in would be myla in juniors - which is U15. You have the balls to tell the older kids on your sons team they can't play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

My son isn't on Ryan's team. His coaches are fantastic and he loves his teammates. So according to you, I should make my young son play for someone else just because there are some prefirst kids on his team?

Glad you aren't my dad. Feel sorry for your son that you apparently feel the need to make everything about you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

My son isn't on Ryan's team. His coaches are fantastic and he loves his teammates. So according to you, I should make my young son play for someone else just because there are some prefirst kids on his team?

Glad you aren't my dad. Feel sorry for your son that you apparently feel the need to make everything about you.

Unless your son is older this will all change. The 2020 team has 7 kids left over from the 6th grade team of 2 years ago. Pre-firsts aren't the problem with Crab Daddy, forcing kids to re-class is. There are multiple kids on the 2020 team that have reclassed in the past 2 years which bumped some kids off the team or greatly reduced their playing time. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

My son isn't on Ryan's team. His coaches are fantastic and he loves his teammates. So according to you, I should make my young son play for someone else just because there are some prefirst kids on his team?

Glad you aren't my dad. Feel sorry for your son that you apparently feel the need to make everything about you.

Unless your son is older this will all change. The 2020 team has 7 kids left over from the 6th grade team of 2 years ago. Pre-firsts aren't the problem with Crab Daddy, forcing kids to re-class is. There are multiple kids on the 2020 team that have reclassed in the past 2 years which bumped some kids off the team or greatly reduced their playing time. Enjoy.

I am grateful for the Crabs organization for the life lessons they have taught my on age 2020 son. We have had many conversations why we as parents need to set some boundaries and this organization lacks the character that we want for his future or that we as a family are willing to fund so he is not permitted to try out. It is not all about winning- it is about doing the right thing or in Crabs on age player's case, not going along with doing the wrong thing just to wear a yellow helmet. If the only way our son would get into a D1 is to holdback and play for a team that bends the rules to their favor then so be it - we have saved for his future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

My son isn't on Ryan's team. His coaches are fantastic and he loves his teammates. So according to you, I should make my young son play for someone else just because there are some prefirst kids on his team?

Glad you aren't my dad. Feel sorry for your son that you apparently feel the need to make everything about you.

Unless your son is older this will all change. The 2020 team has 7 kids left over from the 6th grade team of 2 years ago. Pre-firsts aren't the problem with Crab Daddy, forcing kids to re-class is. There are multiple kids on the 2020 team that have reclassed in the past 2 years which bumped some kids off the team or greatly reduced their playing time. Enjoy.

I am grateful for the Crabs organization for the life lessons they have taught my on age 2020 son. We have had many conversations why we as parents need to set some boundaries and this organization lacks the character that we want for his future or that we as a family are willing to fund so he is not permitted to try out. It is not all about winning- it is about doing the right thing or in Crabs on age player's case, not going along with doing the wrong thing just to wear a yellow helmet. If the only way our son would get into a D1 is to holdback and play for a team that bends the rules to their favor then so be it - we have saved for his future. [/quo

Nice story, then the Crabs took the field and kicked the snot out of your undersized, talent-less kid. Later in life your kid is pumping gas into the Crab player's Porsche.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

My son isn't on Ryan's team. His coaches are fantastic and he loves his teammates. So according to you, I should make my young son play for someone else just because there are some prefirst kids on his team?

Glad you aren't my dad. Feel sorry for your son that you apparently feel the need to make everything about you.

Unless your son is older this will all change. The 2020 team has 7 kids left over from the 6th grade team of 2 years ago. Pre-firsts aren't the problem with Crab Daddy, forcing kids to re-class is. There are multiple kids on the 2020 team that have reclassed in the past 2 years which bumped some kids off the team or greatly reduced their playing time. Enjoy.

I am grateful for the Crabs organization for the life lessons they have taught my on age 2020 son. We have had many conversations why we as parents need to set some boundaries and this organization lacks the character that we want for his future or that we as a family are willing to fund so he is not permitted to try out. It is not all about winning- it is about doing the right thing or in Crabs on age player's case, not going along with doing the wrong thing just to wear a yellow helmet. If the only way our son would get into a D1 is to holdback and play for a team that bends the rules to their favor then so be it - we have saved for his future. [/quo

Nice story, then the Crabs took the field and kicked the snot out of your undersized, talent-less kid. Later in life your kid is pumping gas into the Crab player's Porsche.

Ha - in your dreams. But thanks for once again showing your true personality and that of the majority of Crab's parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

My son isn't on Ryan's team. His coaches are fantastic and he loves his teammates. So according to you, I should make my young son play for someone else just because there are some prefirst kids on his team?

Glad you aren't my dad. Feel sorry for your son that you apparently feel the need to make everything about you.

Unless your son is older this will all change. The 2020 team has 7 kids left over from the 6th grade team of 2 years ago. Pre-firsts aren't the problem with Crab Daddy, forcing kids to re-class is. There are multiple kids on the 2020 team that have reclassed in the past 2 years which bumped some kids off the team or greatly reduced their playing time. Enjoy.

I am grateful for the Crabs organization for the life lessons they have taught my on age 2020 son. We have had many conversations why we as parents need to set some boundaries and this organization lacks the character that we want for his future or that we as a family are willing to fund so he is not permitted to try out. It is not all about winning- it is about doing the right thing or in Crabs on age player's case, not going along with doing the wrong thing just to wear a yellow helmet. If the only way our son would get into a D1 is to holdback and play for a team that bends the rules to their favor then so be it - we have saved for his future. [/quo

Nice story, then the Crabs took the field and kicked the snot out of your undersized, talent-less kid. Later in life your kid is pumping gas into the Crab player's Porsche.

You got it all wrong Crab dad. Your older age, holdback or double holdback son is the one who lacks talent and the only way he can play 2020 is by repeating a grade(s). Must make you proud to see him push around on age size players. What a POS you are.
As for you son having a Porsche, in your dreams. He has cheated so far in his young life, he will have no idea how to do things the correct way to get ahead in life. Who knows, maybe he will be lucky enough to be able to pump gas, but I wouldn't hold your breath. He may be living at home with you into his mid 30's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

My son isn't on Ryan's team. His coaches are fantastic and he loves his teammates. So according to you, I should make my young son play for someone else just because there are some prefirst kids on his team?

Glad you aren't my dad. Feel sorry for your son that you apparently feel the need to make everything about you.

I don't believe that person is making it about him. Seems he is pointing out what a terrible organization Crabs is, what a complete cheat Ryan M is and how he games the system to his advantage.

Crabs is not well respected in the youth lacrosse world and neither are their players, regardless if holdback or not, it is simply guilt by association.

If I were you I would find another club team for your son because when he gets a little older you will be visited by Ryan M and the conversation of staying with Crabs only if you agree to holdback your son will take place. This is [lacrosse] he operates, happens all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say that unless the Crabs don't play their 2019s in a 2020 division the above statement is accurate. Older kids should beat younger kids and....well... the Crabs have "a couple" of holdbacks.

Would like to see the Crabs "older" holdbacks on their 2020 team barred from the HOCO league this spring. You know, the older players that are really 2019 age players.

Yes I do. Keep in mind that I would guess that only Crabs have kids that old that they would have to move to U15. They have older 14 year olds who will be turning 15 during the season, that is a known fact.

By your response, seems you wouldn't have the balls to tell them.

Don't feel the HOCO organizers have the ba*ls to do this.

That would be great. Then the only league they could play in would be myla in juniors - which is U15. You have the balls to tell the older kids on your sons team they can't play

Yes I do. Keep in mind that I would guess that only Crabs have kids that old that they would have to move to U15. They have older 14 year olds who will be turning 15 during the season, that is a known fact.

By your response, seems you wouldn't have the balls to tell them. Maybe you are a Crab parent/fan, no?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually - yeah - you are an [lacrosse] for letting him play for fat crab daddy. I wouldn't let my kid near that organization. His behavior on the sidelines is bad enough - not to mention his cheating ways. Crabs ain't much to write home about without their Holdbacks.

Agree 100%. I have also seen Ryan McClernan coaching, he is a total pos. He screams at his players and comes very close to belittling them on the field. He is not a good coach, his coaching background is a joke (can read it on Crabs website) and he has a very very low lacrosse IQ.

The only way this man can get a team to win is with holdbacks and he has a crap load of them on his 2020 team. People in the youth lacrosse community do not like or respect him or his organization because his team wins, it is simply because he is a known cheat and manipulates the grade base system so he can win.

If this pos had an on age 2020 team it may possibly be close to average, but he can't coach an average team, he doesn't have the lacrosse smarts. He is driven by ego and money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say that unless the Crabs don't play their 2019s in a 2020 division the above statement is accurate. Older kids should beat younger kids and....well... the Crabs have "a couple" of holdbacks.

Would like to see the Crabs "older" holdbacks on their 2020 team barred from the HOCO league this spring. You know, the older players that are really 2019 age players.

Yes I do. Keep in mind that I would guess that only Crabs have kids that old that they would have to move to U15. They have older 14 year olds who will be turning 15 during the season, that is a known fact.

By your response, seems you wouldn't have the balls to tell them.

Don't feel the HOCO organizers have the ba*ls to do this.

That would be great. Then the only league they could play in would be myla in juniors - which is U15. You have the balls to tell the older kids on your sons team they can't play

Yes I do. Keep in mind that I would guess that only Crabs have kids that old that they would have to move to U15. They have older 14 year olds who will be turning 15 during the season, that is a known fact.

By your response, seems you wouldn't have the balls to tell them. Maybe you are a Crab parent/fan, no?

nope. not a parent or fan. just a realist. my son is 4/02 bday 2020 on decent but not elite team. Even the A & B teams have kids with birthdays before 9/1/01. All the 2020's would be U15. The only kids that would not be eligible would be if they were born prior to 9/1/00.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

This is bull. You don't know anyone that Ryan M has told that they have to repeat to keep their spot on the team. That's because he doesn't do that. If a parent comes to him, will he give them his honest opinion? Of course. But so would a coach at an MIAA school.

It's the parents that are driving the holdback issue. Not Ryan or any other club coach. Do you expect Crabs to not offer a spot to holdbacks? Does any other club specifically not allow holdbacks? Is it Ryan's fault that his club is the one that kids strive to play for? He built a winning program and kids want to play for them. Wearing that yellow helmet is a status symbol for them.

And before you insult me, my son plays for Crabs, but is on age so don't start on me about being a cheater. My son wants to play for Crabs. He's proud that he is good enough to play for them. I guess I'm an [lacrosse] for letting him.

he absolutely tells parents that if their son wants to remain on the Crabs he will have to repeat a grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

This is bull. You don't know anyone that Ryan M has told that they have to repeat to keep their spot on the team. That's because he doesn't do that. If a parent comes to him, will he give them his honest opinion? Of course. But so would a coach at an MIAA school.

It's the parents that are driving the holdback issue. Not Ryan or any other club coach. Do you expect Crabs to not offer a spot to holdbacks? Does any other club specifically not allow holdbacks? Is it Ryan's fault that his club is the one that kids strive to play for? He built a winning program and kids want to play for them. Wearing that yellow helmet is a status symbol for them.

And before you insult me, my son plays for Crabs, but is on age so don't start on me about being a cheater. My son wants to play for Crabs. He's proud that he is good enough to play for them. I guess I'm an [lacrosse] for letting him.

he absolutely tells parents that if their son wants to remain on the Crabs he will have to repeat a grade.

He absolutely does not. The parents are to blame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

This is bull. You don't know anyone that Ryan M has told that they have to repeat to keep their spot on the team. That's because he doesn't do that. If a parent comes to him, will he give them his honest opinion? Of course. But so would a coach at an MIAA school.

It's the parents that are driving the holdback issue. Not Ryan or any other club coach. Do you expect Crabs to not offer a spot to holdbacks? Does any other club specifically not allow holdbacks? Is it Ryan's fault that his club is the one that kids strive to play for? He built a winning program and kids want to play for them. Wearing that yellow helmet is a status symbol for them.

And before you insult me, my son plays for Crabs, but is on age so don't start on me about being a cheater. My son wants to play for Crabs. He's proud that he is good enough to play for them. I guess I'm an [lacrosse] for letting him.

he absolutely tells parents that if their son wants to remain on the Crabs he will have to repeat a grade.

He absolutely does not. The parents are to blame.

stop lying, you know he does. It's amazing, people must think that parents from different teams don't talk to each other. I personally know two families who were approached by RM and advises the only way their kids would remain in the Crabs program would be to stay back a grade.

Wow, "the parents are to blame". Think about that statement.

The parents just do what a club owner suggests regardless of whether the parents think it is ethical or in the best interest of their son.

Talk about the abdication of responsibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, "the parents are to blame". Think about that statement.

The parents just do what a club owner suggests regardless of whether the parents think it is ethical or in the best interest of their son.

Talk about the abdication of responsibility.

the parents I knew moved on, but obviously many choose to stay.

FCA does not belong in elite 2021 group. Nor does API or Madlax...

2021 elite

Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Green turtle
Fca
Club blue
Koopers
Madlax

Let's get back to the hoco league....is there somewhere online to find the divisions?

Heard 91 Platinum dropped out of today's "playin" for 2020 elite. Can anyone confirm?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard 91 Platinum dropped out of today's "playin" for 2020 elite. Can anyone confirm?

We x

Heard same, ironic since they made a huge fuss about being left out in the first place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard 91 Platinum dropped out of today's "playin" for 2020 elite. Can anyone confirm?

We x

Heard same, ironic since they made a huge fuss about being left out in the first place.

Not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, "the parents are to blame". Think about that statement.

The parents just do what a club owner suggests regardless of whether the parents think it is ethical or in the best interest of their son.

Talk about the abdication of responsibility.

the parents I knew moved on, but obviously many choose to stay.

The club owner has removed themselves of responsibility to the child, he ( they) are in it for the business of making money and growing their own ego. The blame falls squarely on the parents, who should have the child's best interest, that fall prey to these directors. If you allow another person to influence you to change the course of your child's academic career for the sole reason to play a sport, you are a fool and a poor role model for your child. These kids are not Olympians. They are not going to be given full rides to the best colleges. They are not on a path to make millions in the professionals. They are pawns in a club director's game to make him more money and help sell you a song and a dance that they will go to a better school. If parents spent a fraction on academics that they spend on sports, their kids could get more money for college, still get recruited and go to the best school without parents ever having to uproot their kid from their school, friends and have them repeat a year of their life. The blame is all on the parents that blindly follow a man that makes money off their decision. Support them to be the best they can be academically, athletically and teach them to be ethical and moral human beings, because only those that cannot will manipulate circumstances and find loopholes. Talent and smarts always look for the challenge, always to play up, to take harder courses, it's never the other way around and it will all come around full circle in the end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard 91 Platinum dropped out of today's "playin" for 2020 elite. Can anyone confirm?

We x

Heard same, ironic since they made a huge fuss about being left out in the first place.

Not true.

So they're playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard 91 Platinum dropped out of today's "playin" for 2020 elite. Can anyone confirm?

We x

Heard same, ironic since they made a huge fuss about being left out in the first place.

Not true.

So they're playing?

Yes, they went undefeated, and then beat the 2022 Crabs who were the same age as 91 Platinum

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, "the parents are to blame". Think about that statement.

The parents just do what a club owner suggests regardless of whether the parents think it is ethical or in the best interest of their son.

Talk about the abdication of responsibility.

the parents I knew moved on, but obviously many choose to stay.

The club owner has removed themselves of responsibility to the child, he ( they) are in it for the business of making money and growing their own ego. The blame falls squarely on the parents, who should have the child's best interest, that fall prey to these directors. If you allow another person to influence you to change the course of your child's academic career for the sole reason to play a sport, you are a fool and a poor role model for your child. These kids are not Olympians. They are not going to be given full rides to the best colleges. They are not on a path to make millions in the professionals. They are pawns in a club director's game to make him more money and help sell you a song and a dance that they will go to a better school. If parents spent a fraction on academics that they spend on sports, their kids could get more money for college, still get recruited and go to the best school without parents ever having to uproot their kid from their school, friends and have them repeat a year of their life. The blame is all on the parents that blindly follow a man that makes money off their decision. Support them to be the best they can be academically, athletically and teach them to be ethical and moral human beings, because only those that cannot will manipulate circumstances and find loopholes. Talent and smarts always look for the challenge, always to play up, to take harder courses, it's never the other way around and it will all come around full circle in the end.

Academics are boring. It's much more fun to root for your kids playing sports.

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard 91 Platinum dropped out of today's "playin" for 2020 elite. Can anyone confirm?

We x

Heard same, ironic since they made a huge fuss about being left out in the first place.

Not true.

So they're playing?

Yes, they went undefeated, and then beat the 2022 Crabs who were the same age as 91 Platinum

They dropped out-did not play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard 91 Platinum dropped out of today's "playin" for 2020 elite. Can anyone confirm?

We x

Heard same, ironic since they made a huge fuss about being left out in the first place.

Not true.

So they're playing?

Yes, they went undefeated, and then beat the 2022 Crabs who were the same age as 91 Platinum

They dropped out-did not play.

So who did? Anybody know the result?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Probably playing in the MadLax league, consisting of...

MadLax MD
MadLax DC
MadLax VA
MadLax NoVa
MadLax Capital
Madlax Potomac Region
Madlax DMV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Probably playing in the MadLax league, consisting of...

MadLax MD
MadLax DC
MadLax VA
MadLax NoVa
MadLax Capital
Madlax Potomac Region
Madlax DMV

Don't forget that they would make the following pay the airfare to play

Madlax Texas
Madlax Canada
Cannons
Madlax Michigan
Madlax Oregon

Thanks for that awesome Academy fee!

hello

anyone know how green turtle 2021 is looking this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know how green turtle 2021 is looking this year

They look a year younger than the 2020's

How did the play in go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Yes, Madlax 2020 dropped out. Friends with some of the Madlax parents, who at this point are very frustrated because there has been no communication on the matter. Simply told they dropped out, have no idea where they are going to play now. Rumor was there was going to be many play dates/scrimmages with various teams leading up to summer.

That in itself isn't terrible, I think many of the parents are more pissed off at the lack of transparency and communication - which was basically zero.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Yes, Madlax 2020 dropped out. Friends with some of the Madlax parents, who at this point are very frustrated because there has been no communication on the matter. Simply told they dropped out, have no idea where they are going to play now. Rumor was there was going to be many play dates/scrimmages with various teams leading up to summer.

That in itself isn't terrible, I think many of the parents are more pissed off at the lack of transparency and communication - which was basically zero.

So what NoVa teams are in HOCO? And what level? What about the rest of Madlax teams are they still in?

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Yes, Madlax 2020 dropped out. Friends with some of the Madlax parents, who at this point are very frustrated because there has been no communication on the matter. Simply told they dropped out, have no idea where they are going to play now. Rumor was there was going to be many play dates/scrimmages with various teams leading up to summer.

That in itself isn't terrible, I think many of the parents are more pissed off at the lack of transparency and communication - which was basically zero.

This has not been confirmed. Apparently, there are further discussions with HoCo league in the next day or so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Yes, Madlax 2020 dropped out. Friends with some of the Madlax parents, who at this point are very frustrated because there has been no communication on the matter. Simply told they dropped out, have no idea where they are going to play now. Rumor was there was going to be many play dates/scrimmages with various teams leading up to summer.

That in itself isn't terrible, I think many of the parents are more pissed off at the lack of transparency and communication - which was basically zero.

I don't believe any parents are pissed off. If they go without a league (only 7 games BTW), weekend round robins or mini tournaments with a little travel can easily fill the void.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

Most do still play rec with their local buddies in the NVYLL league. Very fun and kids stay together from U9 modified field thru U15.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

I will believe it when I see it. I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. And if they drop this ball I will not be able to defend this. They better have a really good spring play day/ tournament schedule to make up for not playing HOCO this spring. I know they have not posted the complete spring rosters because they had tryouts this weekend. I can wait to see our crazy owner spin this one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Yes, Madlax 2020 dropped out. Friends with some of the Madlax parents, who at this point are very frustrated because there has been no communication on the matter. Simply told they dropped out, have no idea where they are going to play now. Rumor was there was going to be many play dates/scrimmages with various teams leading up to summer.

That in itself isn't terrible, I think many of the parents are more pissed off at the lack of transparency and communication - which was basically zero.

So what NoVa teams are in HOCO? And what level? What about the rest of Madlax teams are they still in?

VLC 2020 will be in AA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

I will believe it when I see it. I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. And if they drop this ball I will not be able to defend this. They better have a really good spring play day/ tournament schedule to make up for not playing HOCO this spring. I know they have not posted the complete spring rosters because they had tryouts this weekend. I can wait to see our crazy owner spin this one.

Let's keep in mind that the HoCo league, under the influence of some Natty Boh, decided that Madlax was not worthy of the Elite division and came up with the idea of a play-in game for a team that does not have a final roster or one spring practice under its belt. HoCo is making the decision for Madlax, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Yes, Madlax 2020 dropped out. Friends with some of the Madlax parents, who at this point are very frustrated because there has been no communication on the matter. Simply told they dropped out, have no idea where they are going to play now. Rumor was there was going to be many play dates/scrimmages with various teams leading up to summer.

That in itself isn't terrible, I think many of the parents are more pissed off at the lack of transparency and communication - which was basically zero.

I don't believe any parents are pissed off. If they go without a league (only 7 games BTW), weekend round robins or mini tournaments with a little travel can easily fill the void.

Can only speak to the parents I've spoken to who have kids on Capital. Pissed off was the exact phrasing used when they found out.

The idea of weekend round robins may sound nice, but who would be playing in them? Rec and HoCo games would occur on Sat/Sun, and the majority of quality teams in this area are in the league to begin with. I don't see the allure of scrimmaging Madlax 2020 in some mini tourney. Also, I don't want to pay out of pocket for some silly mini tourney.

My assumption is that this is driven by Maddux due to ego and business. He doesn't want to dilute the brand and play below Elite. Problem is, everyone knows the current 2020 team isn't at that level right now. Compound this with if he did play Elite, most likely they would be blowout games and would leave parents scratching their heads.

As for business, wouldn't it be great to start his own league and dip a toe in for mini tourneys and play dates during spring? Of course it would.

If this was based solely on what is best for the kids, they would play HoCo at AA and have the team get good reps, develop skills and compete at a commensurate skill level. Obviously, it is bigger then that ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've heard Madlax 2020 is dropping out of HoCo altogether to do other things....anyone confirm?

Yes, Madlax 2020 dropped out. Friends with some of the Madlax parents, who at this point are very frustrated because there has been no communication on the matter. Simply told they dropped out, have no idea where they are going to play now. Rumor was there was going to be many play dates/scrimmages with various teams leading up to summer.

That in itself isn't terrible, I think many of the parents are more pissed off at the lack of transparency and communication - which was basically zero.

I don't believe any parents are pissed off. If they go without a league (only 7 games BTW), weekend round robins or mini tournaments with a little travel can easily fill the void.

Can only speak to the parents I've spoken to who have kids on Capital. Pissed off was the exact phrasing used when they found out.

The idea of weekend round robins may sound nice, but who would be playing in them? Rec and HoCo games would occur on Sat/Sun, and the majority of quality teams in this area are in the league to begin with. I don't see the allure of scrimmaging Madlax 2020 in some mini tourney. Also, I don't want to pay out of pocket for some silly mini tourney.

My assumption is that this is driven by Maddux due to ego and business. He doesn't want to dilute the brand and play below Elite. Problem is, everyone knows the current 2020 team isn't at that level right now. Compound this with if he did play Elite, most likely they would be blowout games and would leave parents scratching their heads.

As for business, wouldn't it be great to start his own league and dip a toe in for mini tourneys and play dates during spring? Of course it would.

If this was based solely on what is best for the kids, they would play HoCo at AA and have the team get good reps, develop skills and compete at a commensurate skill level. Obviously, it is bigger then that ...

I guess this will all clear its self out in a week or so. Could be really bad for Madlax. So what other NOVA teams are in HOCO besides VLC

Word I am hearing is that indeed this is about the quality of the 2020 Capital team and CM not wanting to dilute his brand by having the team not play in the very highest division in the most high profile youth grade. Madlax has distinguished itself from VLC the past couple of years by arguing that VLC plays down a level, and if Madlax did the same they would lose that argument. Very disappointing but do agree that CM has to do what is in the best interest of the kids and families, not necessarily his future marketing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word I am hearing is that indeed this is about the quality of the 2020 Capital team and CM not wanting to dilute his brand by having the team not play in the very highest division in the most high profile youth grade. Madlax has distinguished itself from VLC the past couple of years by arguing that VLC plays down a level, and if Madlax did the same they would lose that argument. Very disappointing but do agree that CM has to do what is in the best interest of the kids and families, not necessarily his future marketing.

I agree they need to play down in AA and win the whole thing. That is all they can do at this point. I think if VLC or another NOVA team where in ELITE he would have a point. But they are not so he should just do AA and try to impress this summer when he plays those ELITE teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word I am hearing is that indeed this is about the quality of the 2020 Capital team and CM not wanting to dilute his brand by having the team not play in the very highest division in the most high profile youth grade. Madlax has distinguished itself from VLC the past couple of years by arguing that VLC plays down a level, and if Madlax did the same they would lose that argument. Very disappointing but do agree that CM has to do what is in the best interest of the kids and families, not necessarily his future marketing.

If I brought my kid to what is supposedly the best club/team i the area and had to play AA not Elite I would be pissed. The don't coddle them in high school and practices and tryouts are ruthless. If you get the S**T knocked out of you, good, learn from it and improve. This age group is the transition to "perform or get cut".

I guess its good that their 2022 team is like the best in the entire country.

Well I posted on this site on a couple threads about NOVA needs to pick one club to be ELITE. We are not NY/NJ or Baltimore. I blame the Parents of all the 2020 kids and below. Stop putting little star Johnny on these A level clubs. Have your kids try out for VLC and Madlax. Make your kids work for playing time and work to be a star. If you took the best players Cavs, 3D mid.. BattleLax, and the other ones. We would have two ELITE teams playing in this HOCO league. But like always our NOVA attitudes have bitten us in the [lacrosse] again. So I do not blame VLC or Madlax it is the other 5 Nova clubs that have 2 or 3 players that they know are to good to be playing with them but they keep them around and tell them you should play with his friends. Stay local its cheaper. So man up have A level star Johnny try out for VLC and Madlax and help form ELITE teams in NOVA. Maybe in 10 years the skill level and numbers will be at a point you can stay local and we can still have Elite teams but NOVA is not there.

Does HoCo have playoffs, championship?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word I am hearing is that indeed this is about the quality of the 2020 Capital team and CM not wanting to dilute his brand by having the team not play in the very highest division in the most high profile youth grade. Madlax has distinguished itself from VLC the past couple of years by arguing that VLC plays down a level, and if Madlax did the same they would lose that argument. Very disappointing but do agree that CM has to do what is in the best interest of the kids and families, not necessarily his future marketing.

I agree they need to play down in AA and win the whole thing. That is all they can do at this point. I think if VLC or another NOVA team where in ELITE he would have a point. But they are not so he should just do AA and try to impress this summer when he plays those ELITE teams.

This is the tact that VLC is pursuing, and honestly I think it makes the most sense for their 2020 team. New coaching staff, and the kids have barely practiced together. Playing in HoCo AA will get the coach and team on the same page while giving them some good competition and gel as a team. All this is prep for summer tourney season, where playing Crabs, Looney's, Express, etc. etc. will all come to a head and honestly, where it counts for this age bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess its good that their 2022 team is like the best in the entire country.

I am sure they are not, but calling all 2022 kids and Parents tryout for Madlax so NOVA has a chance to be the best in the country. Or everyone talk and have all the best players go to VLC I do not care pick one but NOVA is not there yet talent wise tell the best players to only try out for these two teams. Its not because any other reason than NOVA talent is not good enough yet.

Madlax 2022 team is competitive with the top teams in US....very, very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I posted on this site on a couple threads about NOVA needs to pick one club to be ELITE. We are not NY/NJ or Baltimore. I blame the Parents of all the 2020 kids and below. Stop putting little star Johnny on these A level clubs. Have your kids try out for VLC and Madlax. Make your kids work for playing time and work to be a star. If you took the best players Cavs, 3D mid.. BattleLax, and the other ones. We would have two ELITE teams playing in this HOCO league. But like always our NOVA attitudes have bitten us in the [lacrosse] again. So I do not blame VLC or Madlax it is the other 5 Nova clubs that have 2 or 3 players that they know are to good to be playing with them but they keep them around and tell them you should play with his friends. Stay local its cheaper. So man up have A level star Johnny try out for VLC and Madlax and help form ELITE teams in NOVA. Maybe in 10 years the skill level and numbers will be at a point you can stay local and we can still have Elite teams but NOVA is not there.

Even if they made these teams they would still get beat down by the other HOCO elite teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word I am hearing is that indeed this is about the quality of the 2020 Capital team and CM not wanting to dilute his brand by having the team not play in the very highest division in the most high profile youth grade. Madlax has distinguished itself from VLC the past couple of years by arguing that VLC plays down a level, and if Madlax did the same they would lose that argument. Very disappointing but do agree that CM has to do what is in the best interest of the kids and families, not necessarily his future marketing.

I agree they need to play down in AA and win the whole thing. That is all they can do at this point. I think if VLC or another NOVA team where in ELITE he would have a point. But they are not so he should just do AA and try to impress this summer when he plays those ELITE teams.

This is the tact that VLC is pursuing, and honestly I think it makes the most sense for their 2020 team. New coaching staff, and the kids have barely practiced together. Playing in HoCo AA will get the coach and team on the same page while giving them some good competition and gel as a team. All this is prep for summer tourney season, where playing Crabs, Looney's, Express, etc. etc. will all come to a head and honestly, where it counts for this age bracket.

Earth to Madlax Dad, the Elite teams will crush you in the summer also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2022 team is competitive with the top teams in US....very, very good.

List who have they beat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I posted on this site on a couple threads about NOVA needs to pick one club to be ELITE. We are not NY/NJ or Baltimore. I blame the Parents of all the 2020 kids and below. Stop putting little star Johnny on these A level clubs. Have your kids try out for VLC and Madlax. Make your kids work for playing time and work to be a star. If you took the best players Cavs, 3D mid.. BattleLax, and the other ones. We would have two ELITE teams playing in this HOCO league. But like always our NOVA attitudes have bitten us in the [lacrosse] again. So I do not blame VLC or Madlax it is the other 5 Nova clubs that have 2 or 3 players that they know are to good to be playing with them but they keep them around and tell them you should play with his friends. Stay local its cheaper. So man up have A level star Johnny try out for VLC and Madlax and help form ELITE teams in NOVA. Maybe in 10 years the skill level and numbers will be at a point you can stay local and we can still have Elite teams but NOVA is not there.

Even if they made these teams they would still get beat down by the other HOCO elite
teams

Well that is completely untrue how can you explain mad lax 2019 team. This year Madlax team beat all of the teams in the elite division

No they are really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I posted on this site on a couple threads about NOVA needs to pick one club to be ELITE. We are not NY/NJ or Baltimore. I blame the Parents of all the 2020 kids and below. Stop putting little star Johnny on these A level clubs. Have your kids try out for VLC and Madlax. Make your kids work for playing time and work to be a star. If you took the best players Cavs, 3D mid.. BattleLax, and the other ones. We would have two ELITE teams playing in this HOCO league. But like always our NOVA attitudes have bitten us in the [lacrosse] again. So I do not blame VLC or Madlax it is the other 5 Nova clubs that have 2 or 3 players that they know are to good to be playing with them but they keep them around and tell them you should play with his friends. Stay local its cheaper. So man up have A level star Johnny try out for VLC and Madlax and help form ELITE teams in NOVA. Maybe in 10 years the skill level and numbers will be at a point you can stay local and we can still have Elite teams but NOVA is not there.

Even if they made these teams they would still get beat down by the other HOCO elite
teams

Well that is completely untrue how can you explain mad lax 2019 team. This year Madlax team beat all of the teams in the elite division

they were talking about other NOVA players coming to Madlax and VLC 2020 not 2019

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

I will believe it when I see it. I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. And if they drop this ball I will not be able to defend this. They better have a really good spring play day/ tournament schedule to make up for not playing HOCO this spring. I know they have not posted the complete spring rosters because they had tryouts this weekend. I can wait to see our crazy owner spin this one.

Let's keep in mind that the HoCo league, under the influence of some Natty Boh, decided that Madlax was not worthy of the Elite division and came up with the idea of a play-in game for a team that does not have a final roster or one spring practice under its belt. HoCo is making the decision for Madlax, not the other way around.

Madlax 2020 has never been elite and has no record for them to be included in the elite division. How can you claim to be an elite team when you don't have your roster yet to know what your team looks like - that is nobody's fault but your clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2022 team is competitive with the top teams in US....very, very good.

List who have they beat?

They lost to 3D. Not even the best team in Nova.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

I will believe it when I see it. I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. And if they drop this ball I will not be able to defend this. They better have a really good spring play day/ tournament schedule to make up for not playing HOCO this spring. I know they have not posted the complete spring rosters because they had tryouts this weekend. I can wait to see our crazy owner spin this one.

Let's keep in mind that the HoCo league, under the influence of some Natty Boh, decided that Madlax was not worthy of the Elite division and came up with the idea of a play-in game for a team that does not have a final roster or one spring practice under its belt. HoCo is making the decision for Madlax, not the other way around.

Madlax 2020 has never been elite and has no record for them to be included in the elite division. How can you claim to be an elite team when you don't have your roster yet to know what your team looks like - that is nobody's fault but your clubs.

How can you claim they are not Elite when their roster isn't final?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

I will believe it when I see it. I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. And if they drop this ball I will not be able to defend this. They better have a really good spring play day/ tournament schedule to make up for not playing HOCO this spring. I know they have not posted the complete spring rosters because they had tryouts this weekend. I can wait to see our crazy owner spin this one.

Let's keep in mind that the HoCo league, under the influence of some Natty Boh, decided that Madlax was not worthy of the Elite division and came up with the idea of a play-in game for a team that does not have a final roster or one spring practice under its belt. HoCo is making the decision for Madlax, not the other way around.

Madlax 2020 has never been elite and has no record for them to be included in the elite division. How can you claim to be an elite team when you don't have your roster yet to know what your team looks like - that is nobody's fault but your clubs.

Last summer beat Edge Canada at NSCLA, lost championship in OT at NJ Shootout to Leading Edge. Can put together some very good games occasionally.

How can you claim they ARE Elite when their roster isn't final?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

I will believe it when I see it. I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. And if they drop this ball I will not be able to defend this. They better have a really good spring play day/ tournament schedule to make up for not playing HOCO this spring. I know they have not posted the complete spring rosters because they had tryouts this weekend. I can wait to see our crazy owner spin this one.

Let's keep in mind that the HoCo league, under the influence of some Natty Boh, decided that Madlax was not worthy of the Elite division and came up with the idea of a play-in game for a team that does not have a final roster or one spring practice under its belt. HoCo is making the decision for Madlax, not the other way around.

Madlax 2020 has never been elite and has no record for them to be included in the elite division. How can you claim to be an elite team when you don't have your roster yet to know what your team looks like - that is nobody's fault but your clubs.

Last summer beat Edge Canada at NSCLA, lost championship in OT at NJ Shootout to Leading Edge. Can put together some very good games occasionally.

Those tourneys are not elite tourneys. Only reason Crabs was at Hershey was to test run their non holdback team. How have you done against Crush, Rising Sons, LI Express, Hawks AA, Looneys Orange, Crabs, Team 91 Force, FCA Blue, NH Tomahawks, Carolina Cannons, Triple HHH? Those are the elite 2020 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they can still sign up for rec

I will believe it when I see it. I am the biggest Madlax homer on this site. And if they drop this ball I will not be able to defend this. They better have a really good spring play day/ tournament schedule to make up for not playing HOCO this spring. I know they have not posted the complete spring rosters because they had tryouts this weekend. I can wait to see our crazy owner spin this one.

Let's keep in mind that the HoCo league, under the influence of some Natty Boh, decided that Madlax was not worthy of the Elite division and came up with the idea of a play-in game for a team that does not have a final roster or one spring practice under its belt. HoCo is making the decision for Madlax, not the other way around.

Madlax 2020 has never been elite and has no record for them to be included in the elite division. How can you claim to be an elite team when you don't have your roster yet to know what your team looks like - that is nobody's fault but your clubs.

Last summer beat Edge Canada at NSCLA, lost championship in OT at NJ Shootout to Leading Edge. Can put together some very good games occasionally.

Those tourneys are not elite tourneys. Only reason Crabs was at Hershey was to test run their non holdback team. How have you done against Crush, Rising Sons, LI Express, Hawks AA, Looneys Orange, Crabs, Team 91 Force, FCA Blue, NH Tomahawks, Carolina Cannons, Triple HHH? Those are the elite 2020 teams.

Lost to Tomahawks by 3 or 4 at the non-Elite NSCLA, handed game to Hawks at Young Guns, lost by 1 (fall was scrimmage with starters pulled before half to "test run" unknown kids), never had the ball against Looneys got killed. This team is not too far off.

The play-in saw Next Level Black beat Cannons 8-6 and smash MDX. They should be in the Elite division. Not sure how MDX/Cannons went or if they even played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The play-in saw Next Level Black beat Cannons 8-6 and smash MDX. They should be in the Elite division. Not sure how MDX/Cannons went or if they even played.

So T91 Platinum did not participate?

Carolina Cannons are far from elite.

Chew on this one. Early elite final regular standings. Fca wins championship
Crabs 6-0
Hawks 5-1
Looneys 4-2
Fca4-2
Rising sons 3-3
91 force 2-4
Next level 0-6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chew on this one. Early elite final regular standings. Fca wins championship
Crabs 6-0
Hawks 5-1
Looneys 4-2
Fca4-2
Rising sons 3-3
91 force 2-4
Next level 0-6

Nope but thanks for your assessment. Will revisit in May.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The play-in saw Next Level Black beat Cannons 8-6 and smash MDX. They should be in the Elite division. Not sure how MDX/Cannons went or if they even played.

So T91 Platinum did not participate?

They dropped out.

MadLax should be in Elite just so we can watch the two biggest jerks (Ryan/Cabel) play each other and act like lunatics in the sidelines. Great theatre.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chew on this one. Early elite final regular standings. Fca wins championship
Crabs 6-0
Hawks 5-1
Looneys 4-2
Fca4-2
Rising sons 3-3
91 force 2-4
Next level 0-6

Nope but thanks for your assessment. Will revisit in May.

Everyone knows crabs is going to win the championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chew on this one. Early elite final regular standings. Fca wins championship
Crabs 6-0
Hawks 5-1
Looneys 4-2
Fca4-2
Rising sons 3-3
91 force 2-4
Next level 0-6

Nope but thanks for your assessment. Will revisit in May.

Everyone knows crabs is going to win the championship

Sure, given their 2020 team is very close to a 2019 team, they have a shi*load of holdbacks, a few double holdbacks and one player who is in the 8th grade but will turn 16 this spring.

Trust me, this team and organization plus their a hole leader Ryan M, have no respect in the lacrosse community and when a team does lose to them, they just laugh it off, knowing how much this team/organization games the system and violates the true spirit of grade base lacrosse.
Without their holdbacks, Crabs 2020 would be a middle of the road AA or A team and their coach is a total joke, his lacrosse IQ is probably the lowest in youth lacrosse, thus all the holdbacks.

But next year 10 Crabs will be committed to top D1 schools

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But next year 10 Crabs will be committed to top D1 schools

If on the outside chance that happens at least 8 of them will probably be on academic probation after their first semester. They have no idea how to do things the correct way.
They just are taught how to cheat, play the system and when daddy isn't there to help them with academics they will fall flat.
That is something Ryan M doesn't tell the parents, he just wants the holdbacks for the cash it generates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But next year 10 Crabs will be committed to top D1 schools

And how many Crabs made the U19 U.S. National Team?
Let me help you with the answer: ZERO or 0 if this helps you understand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But next year 10 Crabs will be committed to top D1 schools

And how many Crabs made the U19 U.S. National Team?
Let me help you with the answer: ZERO or 0 if this helps you understand.

That team is the top .005% of players no club made them that good. That was luck and birth to the correct parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But next year 10 Crabs will be committed to top D1 schools

And how many Crabs made the U19 U.S. National Team?
Let me help you with the answer: ZERO or 0 if this helps you understand.

That team is the top .005% of players no club made them that good. That was luck and birth to the correct parents.

Really, just looked at the roster and three Looney's players made the U19 US Team. Again, no Crabs on this team, even the holdbacks and double holdbacks could not cheat their way in.

"Birth to correct Parents"? Wow.

All you need to know about the Crabs mind set right in that comment. Is this what is meant by teams being in the "Elite" category (i.e. the players have the correct parents?). I am tempted to refer to the "elite" category as the "jumbo division" since it is made up primarily of off-age hold backs (even if they were born to the "correct parents").

I guess Paul Rabil, Ryan Tucker, Pick a Stanwick, Hunter Moreland, Devin Shewell, Pat Spencer, Deemer Class don't make any waves at the college level? No one can touch the accomplishments of Crabs alumni

We are...Crabs Nation!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Birth to correct Parents"? Wow.

All you need to know about the Crabs mind set right in that comment. Is this what is meant by teams being in the "Elite" category (i.e. the players have the correct parents?). I am tempted to refer to the "elite" category as the "jumbo division" since it is made up primarily of off-age hold backs (even if they were born to the "correct parents").

The point is the Looneys or any other club did not make these U19 players genetics did. You can not coach up kids to be U19 good. Sorry you can take credit if you want but they would of been U19 good if they played for any club in Maryland. They needed coaching all players do. But the size and speed that made them U19 was not put there by any club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But next year 10 Crabs will be committed to top D1 schools

And how many Crabs made the U19 U.S. National Team?
Let me help you with the answer: ZERO or 0 if this helps you understand.

You mean the U19 team that got skull dragged by Hill Academy? Maybe they picked the wrong players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess Paul Rabil, Ryan Tucker, Pick a Stanwick, Hunter Moreland, Devin Shewell, Pat Spencer, Deemer Class don't make any waves at the college level? No one can touch the accomplishments of Crabs alumni

Yeah, pretty stupid to bring up one team in the current U19 team to try to put down Crabs. How's the current U19 team done so far? They got beat down by a high school varsity team.

If anyone really wants to compare alumni with Crabs I doubt you will like the results.

FCA 2020 and Loonies 2020 will have equal # of D1 commits. Plenty of kids on Crabs with athleticism but still many stick twirlers that done have size, speeed, strength, or physicality to play D1. Only few areas in country that play lax and MD is one of them. You do realize that there are over 40+ players on D1 team and less then 10 full scholarships. Do the math and everyone getting all excited because their kid may get 1/2 or less in scholarship. And those are the best of the best. So many clueless parents keep drinking the Kool aid though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess Paul Rabil, Ryan Tucker, Pick a Stanwick, Hunter Moreland, Devin Shewell, Pat Spencer, Deemer Class don't make any waves at the college level? No one can touch the accomplishments of Crabs alumni

Yeah, pretty stupid to bring up one team in the current U19 team to try to put down Crabs. How's the current U19 team done so far? They got beat down by a high school varsity team.

If anyone really wants to compare alumni with Crabs I doubt you will like the results.

There isn't much difference between the Crabs lax organization and the crabs you get below your belt. Just a pure disgusting organization, with a disgusting leader in Ryan McClernan and the parents aren't far behind.
Cheat all you want, your reputation is well known and is not well regarded, both inside and outside of Md. Bottom line, in life you are all a bunch of losers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Birth to correct Parents"? Wow.

All you need to know about the Crabs mind set right in that comment. Is this what is meant by teams being in the "Elite" category (i.e. the players have the correct parents?). I am tempted to refer to the "elite" category as the "jumbo division" since it is made up primarily of off-age hold backs (even if they were born to the "correct parents").

The point is the Looneys or any other club did not make these U19 players genetics did. You can not coach up kids to be U19 good. Sorry you can take credit if you want but they would of been U19 good if they played for any club in Maryland. They needed coaching all players do. But the size and speed that made them U19 was not put there by any club.

It's almost like you are talking in gibberish, plus you need to learn when to use commas and periods.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess Paul Rabil, Ryan Tucker, Pick a Stanwick, Hunter Moreland, Devin Shewell, Pat Spencer, Deemer Class don't make any waves at the college level? No one can touch the accomplishments of Crabs alumni

Yeah, pretty stupid to bring up one team in the current U19 team to try to put down Crabs. How's the current U19 team done so far? They got beat down by a high school varsity team.

If anyone really wants to compare alumni with Crabs I doubt you will like the results.

There isn't much difference between the Crabs lax organization and the crabs you get below your belt. Just a pure disgusting organization, with a disgusting leader in Ryan McClernan and the parents aren't far behind.
Cheat all you want, your reputation is well known and is not well regarded, both inside and outside of Md. Bottom line, in life you are all a bunch of losers.

Actually, the bottom line is that Crabs puts more kids at D1 lacrosse schools than any other club.

But if you want to [lacrosse] and moan about a bunch of 8th graders that have to risk life and limb playing kids that could be in 9th grade, I suppose that's a good use of your time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 2020 and Loonies 2020 will have equal # of D1 commits. Plenty of kids on Crabs with athleticism but still many stick twirlers that done have size, speeed, strength, or physicality to play D1. Only few areas in country that play lax and MD is one of them. You do realize that there are over 40+ players on D1 team and less then 10 full scholarships. Do the math and everyone getting all excited because their kid may get 1/2 or less in scholarship. And those are the best of the best. So many clueless parents keep drinking the Kool aid though.

And Crush will have even more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess Paul Rabil, Ryan Tucker, Pick a Stanwick, Hunter Moreland, Devin Shewell, Pat Spencer, Deemer Class don't make any waves at the college level? No one can touch the accomplishments of Crabs alumni

Yeah, pretty stupid to bring up one team in the current U19 team to try to put down Crabs. How's the current U19 team done so far? They got beat down by a high school varsity team.

If anyone really wants to compare alumni with Crabs I doubt you will like the results.

There isn't much difference between the Crabs lax organization and the crabs you get below your belt. Just a pure disgusting organization, with a disgusting leader in Ryan McClernan and the parents aren't far behind.
Cheat all you want, your reputation is well known and is not well regarded, both inside and outside of Md. Bottom line, in life you are all a bunch of losers.

Actually, the bottom line is that Crabs puts more kids at D1 lacrosse schools than any other club.

But if you want to [lacrosse] and moan about a bunch of 8th graders that have to risk life and limb playing kids that could be in 9th grade, I suppose that's a good use of your time.

Not "could be" it is "should be" in the 9th and some the 10th grade, but here they are stuck in the 8th grade, many turning 15 this spring and one Crab player turning 16 this spring. Think about that, turning 16 and he is in the 8th grade. That really shows how the Crabs game the system, violates grade base youth lacrosse and bottom line, are just cheats that feel good that their older sons can beat a 13/14 year old team.

You really need to step out of your shoes and at games listen to what others say about Ctabs and Ryan M. It isn't very nice, you people are not respected.

I guess a good use of your time is telling your son it is ok to cheat/game the system to get ahead. Are you afraid he wouldn't do well playing on age? Maybe that's it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 2020 and Loonies 2020 will have equal # of D1 commits. Plenty of kids on Crabs with athleticism but still many stick twirlers that done have size, speeed, strength, or physicality to play D1. Only few areas in country that play lax and MD is one of them. You do realize that there are over 40+ players on D1 team and less then 10 full scholarships. Do the math and everyone getting all excited because their kid may get 1/2 or less in scholarship. And those are the best of the best. So many clueless parents keep drinking the Kool aid though.

And Crush will have even more.

Are they really better or is it a system they play in. Puberty first? Who knows

The on-age team lost to Crush 19-8 and it wasn't that close. Your talent plays down. Sad because talent should always push themselves but you clowns have bought in. Your kid wouldn't look as good against 2019's. It'll catch up with them.

Which 2020 club will have the first commit? Crabs, crush, looneys, fca, 91?

Team 91 Club is head and shoulders above Crabs. Beat them last year in nearly every age group from 5th grade up. You can argue that in certain years Crabs are best in Maryland but they aren't even close to being number 1 nationally. And Team 91 organization has very few holdbacks. They win because coaching and year round play.

Which 2020 club will have the first commit? Crabs, crush, looneys, fca, 91?

Crush and am from Maryland. Then fca cause of unc connection.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which 2020 club will have the first commit? Crabs, crush, looneys, fca, 91?

Crabs...they already have 3-4 waiting for official announcement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which 2020 club will have the first commit? Crabs, crush, looneys, fca, 91?

Crabs...they already have 3-4 waiting for official announcement

They are just waiting until they get their drivers licenses.

Sure they do. It's the "official" unofficial offer of " hey we'd love to have you at Hopkins and you have to pay full price, but maybe If you continue to develop by your senior year we might have a 1/4 scholarship for you. Make sure they go up on your Crabs website as committed D1 commitssthough.

So does anyone from the Madlax 2020 Cap. team have a answer on if they are playing in the HOCO or NOT?

I heard that they were not

Looking at how big these rosters are nowadays there is plenty of space for the kids who gets passed up by cheating the system. It must be fun watching a Hopkins game from the sideline. At least they will get to hear what the coach says during the timeouts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that they were not

I heard the same thing but I was hoping for a confirmation from a 2020 Cap Parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at how big these rosters are nowadays there is plenty of space for the kids who gets passed up by cheating the system. It must be fun watching a Hopkins game from the sideline. At least they will get to hear what the coach says during the timeouts!

Hopkins, Syracuse, Denver, etc all carry 46-50 players and have 12.6 scholarships. Enjoy the view once everyone passes by your holdback.

This board is a little disturbing to say the least. I think many of you place far too much importance on youth lacrosse. If your kids are having fun and getting better, that should be enough. Stop measuring your junk by your child's club successes. That being said, the Crabs cheat and it seems to be ingrained and systematic. I base this on seeing a spreadsheet of parent waivers for a local tournament in which several Crabs teams participated. Each time a parent signed the online waiver, it created a record in the spreadsheet. You can see several instances of Crabs parents "fixing" their birth dates, as if prompted, as the second entry for the same player always changed the DOB to make that player younger. There were a few other examples of this, but not to the extent that was evident with the Crabs. It's just disappointing that the parents have bought into the charade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess Paul Rabil, Ryan Tucker, Pick a Stanwick, Hunter Moreland, Devin Shewell, Pat Spencer, Deemer Class don't make any waves at the college level? No one can touch the accomplishments of Crabs alumni

Yeah, pretty stupid to bring up one team in the current U19 team to try to put down Crabs. How's the current U19 team done so far? They got beat down by a high school varsity team.

If anyone really wants to compare alumni with Crabs I doubt you will like the results.

There isn't much difference between the Crabs lax organization and the crabs you get below your belt. Just a pure disgusting organization, with a disgusting leader in Ryan McClernan and the parents aren't far behind.
Cheat all you want, your reputation is well known and is not well regarded, both inside and outside of Md. Bottom line, in life you are all a bunch of losers.

Actually, the bottom line is that Crabs puts more kids at D1 lacrosse schools than any other club.

But if you want to [lacrosse] and moan about a bunch of 8th graders that have to risk life and limb playing kids that could be in 9th grade, I suppose that's a good use of your time.

Not "could be" it is "should be" in the 9th and some the 10th grade, but here they are stuck in the 8th grade, many turning 15 this spring and one Crab player turning 16 this spring. Think about that, turning 16 and he is in the 8th grade. That really shows how the Crabs game the system, violates grade base youth lacrosse and bottom line, are just cheats that feel good that their older sons can beat a 13/14 year old team.

You really need to step out of your shoes and at games listen to what others say about Ctabs and Ryan M. It isn't very nice, you people are not respected.

I guess a good use of your time is telling your son it is ok to cheat/game the system to get ahead. Are you afraid he wouldn't do well playing on age? Maybe that's it.

Thanks for your concern, but my son is on age so he hasn't been taught it's ok to "game the system". What he has learned is that he has to work much harder to keep his spot on his team if he wants to compete with the older kids. I suppose that is just a horrible lesson for him in your eyes.

Honesty, I really don't give a damn what other parents say at games. My son loves his teammates and coaches. He loves lacrosse and loves playing for Crabs. Isn't that the point of the sport? All the vindictiveness and jealousy don't phase me or my son. He loves playing, he is well coached, and he wins a lot. What a horrible position I have put him in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which 2020 club will have the first commit? Crabs, crush, looneys, fca, 91?

Yellowjackets. A 2020 girl committed to Syracuse over a month ago

2020 Yellow jacket is committed to Syracuse. What does that mean exactly. SU coaches like her and think she has promise. The 2020 player likes SU and wants to go there. She still has 4 years of grades to get, SATS to excel on, hopefully she doesn't get hurt, and SU can still say we change our mind before her senior year and any potential money being offered is all verbal at this point.

By the way, this is from the HOCO rules. It appears that the commissioner will know how old the kids really are.

CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters are to be submitted on the official roster form by January 15th. This includes the Howard County Lacrosse Program who organizes select/travel teams and places these teams in the Conference.

Each player's full name, date of birth, school, grade, parent�s cell number and jersey number must appear on this form. Incomplete rosters will not be accepted. Rosters must be emailed to the Conference Commissioner at dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, this is from the HOCO rules. It appears that the commissioner will know how old the kids really are.

CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters are to be submitted on the official roster form by January 15th. This includes the Howard County Lacrosse Program who organizes select/travel teams and places these teams in the Conference.

Each player's full name, date of birth, school, grade, parent�s cell number and jersey number must appear on this form. Incomplete rosters will not be accepted. Rosters must be emailed to the Conference Commissioner at dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Who cares. Of course they know how old the kids are. But since the divisions are grade based, it makes no damn difference how old they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, this is from the HOCO rules. It appears that the commissioner will know how old the kids really are.

CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters are to be submitted on the official roster form by January 15th. This includes the Howard County Lacrosse Program who organizes select/travel teams and places these teams in the Conference.

Each player's full name, date of birth, school, grade, parent�s cell number and jersey number must appear on this form. Incomplete rosters will not be accepted. Rosters must be emailed to the Conference Commissioner at dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Who cares. Of course they know how old the kids are. But since the divisions are grade based, it makes no damn difference how old they are.

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'
Not sure this will come into play or have any meaningful impact on the HOCO league, but knowing some club teams have several older holdbacks it may, but I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, this is from the HOCO rules. It appears that the commissioner will know how old the kids really are.

CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters are to be submitted on the official roster form by January 15th. This includes the Howard County Lacrosse Program who organizes select/travel teams and places these teams in the Conference.

Each player's full name, date of birth, school, grade, parent�s cell number and jersey number must appear on this form. Incomplete rosters will not be accepted. Rosters must be emailed to the Conference Commissioner at dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Who cares. Of course they know how old the kids are. But since the divisions are grade based, it makes no damn difference how old they are.

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'
Not sure this will come into play or have any meaningful impact on the HOCO league, but knowing some club teams have several older holdbacks it may, but I doubt it.

Why would they start following the rules now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, this is from the HOCO rules. It appears that the commissioner will know how old the kids really are.

CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters are to be submitted on the official roster form by January 15th. This includes the Howard County Lacrosse Program who organizes select/travel teams and places these teams in the Conference.

Each player's full name, date of birth, school, grade, parents cell number and jersey number must appear on this form. Incomplete rosters will not be accepted. Rosters must be emailed to the Conference Commissioner at dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Who cares. Of course they know how old the kids are. But since the divisions are grade based, it makes no damn difference how old they are.

Thanks Crab Daddy...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, this is from the HOCO rules. It appears that the commissioner will know how old the kids really are.

CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters are to be submitted on the official roster form by January 15th. This includes the Howard County Lacrosse Program who organizes select/travel teams and places these teams in the Conference.

Each player's full name, date of birth, school, grade, parent�s cell number and jersey number must appear on this form. Incomplete rosters will not be accepted. Rosters must be emailed to the Conference Commissioner at dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Who cares. Of course they know how old the kids are. But since the divisions are grade based, it makes no damn difference how old they are.

It does make a difference to people who care about player safety, but it clearly seems by your reply you are not one of them.
If a 2020 team like Crabs, which is close to a 2019 team plays a true 2020 team the age difference of many players are 2 to 3 years apart, given all the older holdbacks on Crabs.
You can just skip along with your who cares attitude. Don't really care much for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, this is from the HOCO rules. It appears that the commissioner will know how old the kids really are.

CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters are to be submitted on the official roster form by January 15th. This includes the Howard County Lacrosse Program who organizes select/travel teams and places these teams in the Conference.

Each player's full name, date of birth, school, grade, parent�s cell number and jersey number must appear on this form. Incomplete rosters will not be accepted. Rosters must be emailed to the Conference Commissioner at dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Who cares. Of course they know how old the kids are. But since the divisions are grade based, it makes no damn difference how old they are.

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'
Not sure this will come into play or have any meaningful impact on the HOCO league, but knowing some club teams have several older holdbacks it may, but I doubt it.

Why would they start following the rules now?

And why would clubs be honest about their birthdays? Without birth certificates, it is a useless piece of paper.

Just let it go. Let's move on to something else. What team will have their roster change over by 25% next fall? I say Looneys, fca, 91 force, crabs.

In some respects the fault of not following US Lacrosse guidelines falls to the organizers of HOCO and the heads of each club. Why what is arguably the best youth lacrosse league in the country not want to be an example for others to follow?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In some respects the fault of not following US Lacrosse guidelines falls to the organizers of HOCO and the heads of each club. Why what is arguably the best youth lacrosse league in the country not want to be an example for others to follow?

I agree most of us are crying a little about the hold back issue. This is a good point if you want to say you are the best league in the country, You should be setting the best example for all other leagues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just let it go. Let's move on to something else. What team will have their roster change over by 25% next fall? I say Looneys, fca, 91 force, crabs.

Those are the top teams in baltimore, Are you suggesting they'll be finding kids not already on those teams or you think it will be musical chairs between the teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just let it go. Let's move on to something else. What team will have their roster change over by 25% next fall? I say Looneys, fca, 91 force, crabs.

Those are the top teams in baltimore, Are you suggesting they'll be finding kids not already on those teams or you think it will be musical chairs between the teams?

I am thinking both are correct. Kids after the 2020 year sometimes make that last push to change teams or go out for a higher level team. But most stick with a club after that summer before high school.

I doubt that HoCo is intimately familiar with the club lacrosse climate. I'm sure there are a few county employees charged with coordinating several sports apiece. Perhaps the concerns voiced on this board would be better addressed by the individual running the league. It appears that would be Derek Thompson. Why not contact him and ask if the league is following USL guidelines and/or verifying birth dates? dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I doubt that HoCo is intimately familiar with the club lacrosse climate. I'm sure there are a few county employees charged with coordinating several sports apiece. Perhaps the concerns voiced on this board would be better addressed by the individual running the league. It appears that would be Derek Thompson. Why not contact him and ask if the league is following USL guidelines and/or verifying birth dates? dethompson@howardcountymd.gov

Why would they verify birth dates in a grade based league? Why would clubs provide accurate birth dates in a grade based league run by a County when the records are public and can be requested by anyone?

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

But that begs the question, what rules are they following? Are they going to be guided by the US Lacrosse guidelines or just ignore them and do whatever they want. From what I am seeing, it seems they are just saying it is grade base and if you have a 16 year old 8th grader on your team, that's ok.
But perhaps it shouldn't be ok, having older 15 and some 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds is not, as they say, a level playing field. HOCO Club league isn't or appears to be non responsive to what rules/guidelines they are following.
Perhaps the Commissioner, Derrick Thompson isn't familiar with suggested guidelines or maybe the club coaches are really running the league. Who knows.

Ncaa rules, grade based. Age doesn't matter, us lax doesn't matter. Get over it. You have a choice to play in it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

But that begs the question, what rules are they following? Are they going to be guided by the US Lacrosse guidelines or just ignore them and do whatever they want. From what I am seeing, it seems they are just saying it is grade base and if you have a 16 year old 8th grader on your team, that's ok.
But perhaps it shouldn't be ok, having older 15 and some 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds is not, as they say, a level playing field. HOCO Club league isn't or appears to be non responsive to what rules/guidelines they are following.
Perhaps the Commissioner, Derrick Thompson isn't familiar with suggested guidelines or maybe the club coaches are really running the league. Who knows.

It doesn't beg any question. The league has grade based divisions, just like almost every single tournament the kids play in. USL provides guidelines, which up til recently, still suggested the U-9, U-11, U-13 model. The fact is, they are just recommendations. No one has ever said that USL is ahead of the curve when it comes to actually governing the sport of lacrosse.

The fact is, grade based teams are here to stay. All the crying and whining that is done here will not change anything. Emailing the Director of HOCO won't accomplish anything. All clubs are built this way now. The only one's bitching are the parents. Ask your club owner what their policy is on holdbacks. I defy anyone here to find a club owner that would tell you they would force an older kid to play down a grade level with kids his age.

People complain about it because Crabs has more holdbacks than everyone else. But they all have holdbacks, so like the saying goes, YOU CAN'T BE A LITTLE BIT PREGNANT.

Interesting, go grab some popcorn...

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The commissioner of the HOCO league emailed the club owners in the recent weeks a few times. In the first notice, the HOCO commissioner noted this US Lacrosse rule for 2016 in regards to grade based teams:

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'

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If this is true, and they hold to that, it will implode the Elite division. Personally, I'm all for out and would support it 100%!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ncaa rules, grade based. Age doesn't matter, us lax doesn't matter. Get over it. You have a choice to play in it.

So if they flip the story you won't be whining and crying right?

If they enforce the US Lacrosse rule for Age and Eligibility, AA Elite will basically dissolve given the number of over age kids.

Please don't whine if this happens, since you'll have a choice to go kick rocks or find a play date with Madlax. Or go scrimmage some of the other teams that fall out of the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting, go grab some popcorn...

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The commissioner of the HOCO league emailed the club owners in the recent weeks a few times. In the first notice, the HOCO commissioner noted this US Lacrosse rule for 2016 in regards to grade based teams:

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'

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If this is true, and they hold to that, it will implode the Elite division. Personally, I'm all for out and would support it 100%!

If it's true Say goodbye to crabs

Hoco and the club owners know exactly what they are getting into in the Elite 2020 division. You dont think they all know about the holdback situations across the board? I doubt any angry, trophy hungry daddies will have any real influence on a league implosion.

HoCo is also sponsored by MYLA (Maryland Youth Lacrosse Association) so HoCo is not 100% in charge of the league. The US Lax rule listed above only means that if the oldest kid on the team is in 8th grade, then they have to play in the 8th grade division. This allows 7th graders to play up but not allow the 8th grader to play down. If it's grade based then there is no reason for birth dates to come into the equation. Can we put this issue to bed now? Grade based, period. Get good with it or find another league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting, go grab some popcorn...

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The commissioner of the HOCO league emailed the club owners in the recent weeks a few times. In the first notice, the HOCO commissioner noted this US Lacrosse rule for 2016 in regards to grade based teams:

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'

------

If this is true, and they hold to that, it will implode the Elite division. Personally, I'm all for out and would support it 100%!

If it's true Say goodbye to crabs

This means exactly what they are doing -purely grade based. It does not say the grade they are supposed to be in as dictated by their age. All the boys ARE in the 8th grade and there is no corresponding age division set to the grade. It will not implode or change anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ncaa rules, grade based. Age doesn't matter, us lax doesn't matter. Get over it. You have a choice to play in it.

So if they flip the story you won't be whining and crying right?

If they enforce the US Lacrosse rule for Age and Eligibility, AA Elite will basically dissolve given the number of over age kids.

Please don't whine if this happens, since you'll have a choice to go kick rocks or find a play date with Madlax. Or go scrimmage some of the other teams that fall out of the league.

In the HOCO meeting with the Club Directors, it was discussed and it is purely grade based. Age does not come into it at all. Nothing is changing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

But that begs the question, what rules are they following? Are they going to be guided by the US Lacrosse guidelines or just ignore them and do whatever they want. From what I am seeing, it seems they are just saying it is grade base and if you have a 16 year old 8th grader on your team, that's ok.
But perhaps it shouldn't be ok, having older 15 and some 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds is not, as they say, a level playing field. HOCO Club league isn't or appears to be non responsive to what rules/guidelines they are following.
Perhaps the Commissioner, Derrick Thompson isn't familiar with suggested guidelines or maybe the club coaches are really running the league. Who knows.

It doesn't beg any question. The league has grade based divisions, just like almost every single tournament the kids play in. USL provides guidelines, which up til recently, still suggested the U-9, U-11, U-13 model. The fact is, they are just recommendations. No one has ever said that USL is ahead of the curve when it comes to actually governing the sport of lacrosse.

The fact is, grade based teams are here to stay. All the crying and whining that is done here will not change anything. Emailing the Director of HOCO won't accomplish anything. All clubs are built this way now. The only one's bitching are the parents. Ask your club owner what their policy is on holdbacks. I defy anyone here to find a club owner that would tell you they would force an older kid to play down a grade level with kids his age.

People complain about it because Crabs has more holdbacks than everyone else. But they all have holdbacks, so like the saying goes, YOU CAN'T BE A LITTLE BIT PREGNANT.

True, you can't be a little pregnant but you can be the biggest "violator" of grade base lacrosse and game the system like Crabs and their leader Ryan does. True, they all have some holdbacks but not to the extent of Crabs, when they have 8th grade kids turning 15 and one 16 this spring. That is not the intent or spirit of grade base but Ryan has found a way to game this program. Would love to see those "older" 8th graders barred from the 2020 league and let Ryan figure out where they will play. Seems obvious you feel it is ok that Crabs has so many, perhaps you are a Crab parent/fan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting, go grab some popcorn...

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The commissioner of the HOCO league emailed the club owners in the recent weeks a few times. In the first notice, the HOCO commissioner noted this US Lacrosse rule for 2016 in regards to grade based teams:

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'

------

If this is true, and they hold to that, it will implode the Elite division. Personally, I'm all for out and would support it 100%!

If it's true Say goodbye to crabs

That would be good for the whole 2020 program if that happened.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting, go grab some popcorn...

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The commissioner of the HOCO league emailed the club owners in the recent weeks a few times. In the first notice, the HOCO commissioner noted this US Lacrosse rule for 2016 in regards to grade based teams:

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'

------

If this is true, and they hold to that, it will implode the Elite division. Personally, I'm all for out and would support it 100%!

If it's true Say goodbye to crabs

That's funny. That email is a fabrication.

The Director of HOCO has done no such thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ncaa rules, grade based. Age doesn't matter, us lax doesn't matter. Get over it. You have a choice to play in it.

NCAA rules for size of field, length of sticks, penalties etc. I can see, but where in the NCAA rules/guidelines does it address grade base youth lacrosse for middle school kids? It is the NCAA , National Collegiate Athletic Association.
It doesn't address middle school players, grade base or not. What doesn't matter is you, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting, go grab some popcorn...

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The commissioner of the HOCO league emailed the club owners in the recent weeks a few times. In the first notice, the HOCO commissioner noted this US Lacrosse rule for 2016 in regards to grade based teams:

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'

------

If this is true, and they hold to that, it will implode the Elite division. Personally, I'm all for out and would support it 100%!

If it's true Say goodbye to crabs

That's funny. That email is a fabrication.

The Director of HOCO has done no such thing.

How do you know with such certainty? Just curious.

yes he did. i emailed and got a response that it is authentic. seems like ryan is out trolling this site.

Loonies has 2 holdbacks because it's not encouraged by coaches. Lil different then Crabs entire starting team. 13 holdbacks changes the team. 2 does not. Whatever, Loonies was in striking distance to beating them anyway. Still have 5-2 record against 2020 Crabs as well. Holdback...smoldback. Half of them will just be average high school players. Can't wait to watch them lose in HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

But that begs the question, what rules are they following? Are they going to be guided by the US Lacrosse guidelines or just ignore them and do whatever they want. From what I am seeing, it seems they are just saying it is grade base and if you have a 16 year old 8th grader on your team, that's ok.
But perhaps it shouldn't be ok, having older 15 and some 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds is not, as they say, a level playing field. HOCO Club league isn't or appears to be non responsive to what rules/guidelines they are following.
Perhaps the Commissioner, Derrick Thompson isn't familiar with suggested guidelines or maybe the club coaches are really running the league. Who knows.

It doesn't beg any question. The league has grade based divisions, just like almost every single tournament the kids play in. USL provides guidelines, which up til recently, still suggested the U-9, U-11, U-13 model. The fact is, they are just recommendations. No one has ever said that USL is ahead of the curve when it comes to actually governing the sport of lacrosse.

The fact is, grade based teams are here to stay. All the crying and whining that is done here will not change anything. Emailing the Director of HOCO won't accomplish anything. All clubs are built this way now. The only one's bitching are the parents. Ask your club owner what their policy is on holdbacks. I defy anyone here to find a club owner that would tell you they would force an older kid to play down a grade level with kids his age.

People complain about it because Crabs has more holdbacks than everyone else. But they all have holdbacks, so like the saying goes, YOU CAN'T BE A LITTLE BIT PREGNANT.

Yes but I bet the majority of teams can still field a strong 8th grade (2020) team if their "holdbacks" can't play. Can Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo is also sponsored by MYLA (Maryland Youth Lacrosse Association) so HoCo is not 100% in charge of the league. The US Lax rule listed above only means that if the oldest kid on the team is in 8th grade, then they have to play in the 8th grade division. This allows 7th graders to play up but not allow the 8th grader to play down. If it's grade based then there is no reason for birth dates to come into the equation. Can we put this issue to bed now? Grade based, period. Get good with it or find another league.

Sounds like the powers to be at HoCo have found this message board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting, go grab some popcorn...

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The commissioner of the HOCO league emailed the club owners in the recent weeks a few times. In the first notice, the HOCO commissioner noted this US Lacrosse rule for 2016 in regards to grade based teams:

US Lacrosse has, for 2016, in "Age & Eligibility guidelines" the following:
"Grade-based competition: For leagues or associations in which some or all teams choose to organize by grade, those should be single-grade teams and should play in the age division determined by the oldest player on their roster'

------

If this is true, and they hold to that, it will implode the Elite division. Personally, I'm all for out and would support it 100%!

If it's true Say goodbye to crabs

That's funny. That email is a fabrication.

The Director of HOCO has done no such thing.

How do you know with such certainty? Just curious.

Probably is the Director-that's how.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes he did. i emailed and got a response that it is authentic. seems like ryan is out trolling this site.

It's not Ryan that is trolling. The so called email from the HOCO director never happened. Schedules come out this week. Yeesh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yes he did. i emailed and got a response that it is authentic. seems like ryan is out trolling this site.

It's not Ryan that is trolling. The so called email from the HOCO director never happened. Schedules come out this week. Yeesh

He can't troll or pick up a go himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

But that begs the question, what rules are they following? Are they going to be guided by the US Lacrosse guidelines or just ignore them and do whatever they want. From what I am seeing, it seems they are just saying it is grade base and if you have a 16 year old 8th grader on your team, that's ok.
But perhaps it shouldn't be ok, having older 15 and some 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds is not, as they say, a level playing field. HOCO Club league isn't or appears to be non responsive to what rules/guidelines they are following.
Perhaps the Commissioner, Derrick Thompson isn't familiar with suggested guidelines or maybe the club coaches are really running the league. Who knows.

It doesn't beg any question. The league has grade based divisions, just like almost every single tournament the kids play in. USL provides guidelines, which up til recently, still suggested the U-9, U-11, U-13 model. The fact is, they are just recommendations. No one has ever said that USL is ahead of the curve when it comes to actually governing the sport of lacrosse.

The fact is, grade based teams are here to stay. All the crying and whining that is done here will not change anything. Emailing the Director of HOCO won't accomplish anything. All clubs are built this way now. The only one's bitching are the parents. Ask your club owner what their policy is on holdbacks. I defy anyone here to find a club owner that would tell you they would force an older kid to play down a grade level with kids his age.

People complain about it because Crabs has more holdbacks than everyone else. But they all have holdbacks, so like the saying goes, YOU CAN'T BE A LITTLE BIT PREGNANT.

Yes but I bet the majority of teams can still field a strong 8th grade (2020) team if their "holdbacks" can't play. Can Crabs?

And I bet you that if the rules changed next year and that holdbacks were forced to play with their age, Crabs would still have the best teams. The best players from the other teams would show up to Crabs tryouts just like the 200 kids that show up for 8th grade every year.

Don't act like Crabs didn't dominate when everything was age based. The rules don't matter. Whatever they are, Crabs will always get the best kids in accordance with the rules.

Crabs arrogance is great. Loonies 2020 has owned crabs for years. FCA 2018 has beat Crabs 3x to 1 lose. Bethesda 2021 has beat Crabs nearly every time. They have marketed themselves well and put alot of money into their program and were more respected years ago for putting great all star teams together. They have lost alot of credibility over past 3-4 years because of their shift in Philosophy that older means better. Therefore, encouraging holdbacks and heavily weighting their 8th grade teams and high school teams to be majority older kids. They use to be respected a bit more before that became their secret sauce. From a coaching perspective there many teams with better staff. I would say only 1 Crabs team will win HOCO league from 5th grade up. That's not exactly dominate but let's circle back in June and see who's the top club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

But that begs the question, what rules are they following? Are they going to be guided by the US Lacrosse guidelines or just ignore them and do whatever they want. From what I am seeing, it seems they are just saying it is grade base and if you have a 16 year old 8th grader on your team, that's ok.
But perhaps it shouldn't be ok, having older 15 and some 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds is not, as they say, a level playing field. HOCO Club league isn't or appears to be non responsive to what rules/guidelines they are following.
Perhaps the Commissioner, Derrick Thompson isn't familiar with suggested guidelines or maybe the club coaches are really running the league. Who knows.

It doesn't beg any question. The league has grade based divisions, just like almost every single tournament the kids play in. USL provides guidelines, which up til recently, still suggested the U-9, U-11, U-13 model. The fact is, they are just recommendations. No one has ever said that USL is ahead of the curve when it comes to actually governing the sport of lacrosse.

The fact is, grade based teams are here to stay. All the crying and whining that is done here will not change anything. Emailing the Director of HOCO won't accomplish anything. All clubs are built this way now. The only one's bitching are the parents. Ask your club owner what their policy is on holdbacks. I defy anyone here to find a club owner that would tell you they would force an older kid to play down a grade level with kids his age.

People complain about it because Crabs has more holdbacks than everyone else. But they all have holdbacks, so like the saying goes, YOU CAN'T BE A LITTLE BIT PREGNANT.

Yes but I bet the majority of teams can still field a strong 8th grade (2020) team if their "holdbacks" can't play. Can Crabs?

And I bet you that if the rules changed next year and that holdbacks were forced to play with their age, Crabs would still have the best teams. The best players from the other teams would show up to Crabs tryouts just like the 200 kids that show up for 8th grade every year.

Don't act like Crabs didn't dominate when everything was age based. The rules don't matter. Whatever they are, Crabs will always get the best kids in accordance with the rules.

Really? you think so? I thought the age based Crabs looked like they could get beat by other teams besides the one they lost to on ESPN. Playing aged based really is a game changer for them. You take away the older kids and they are good, but not great. There are many good teams if age based were the rule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This discussion is ridiculous. If you don't like the rules don't play in the league. It is that simple.

But that begs the question, what rules are they following? Are they going to be guided by the US Lacrosse guidelines or just ignore them and do whatever they want. From what I am seeing, it seems they are just saying it is grade base and if you have a 16 year old 8th grader on your team, that's ok.
But perhaps it shouldn't be ok, having older 15 and some 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds is not, as they say, a level playing field. HOCO Club league isn't or appears to be non responsive to what rules/guidelines they are following.
Perhaps the Commissioner, Derrick Thompson isn't familiar with suggested guidelines or maybe the club coaches are really running the league. Who knows.

It doesn't beg any question. The league has grade based divisions, just like almost every single tournament the kids play in. USL provides guidelines, which up til recently, still suggested the U-9, U-11, U-13 model. The fact is, they are just recommendations. No one has ever said that USL is ahead of the curve when it comes to actually governing the sport of lacrosse.

The fact is, grade based teams are here to stay. All the crying and whining that is done here will not change anything. Emailing the Director of HOCO won't accomplish anything. All clubs are built this way now. The only one's bitching are the parents. Ask your club owner what their policy is on holdbacks. I defy anyone here to find a club owner that would tell you they would force an older kid to play down a grade level with kids his age.

People complain about it because Crabs has more holdbacks than everyone else. But they all have holdbacks, so like the saying goes, YOU CAN'T BE A LITTLE BIT PREGNANT.

Yes but I bet the majority of teams can still field a strong 8th grade (2020) team if their "holdbacks" can't play. Can Crabs?

And I bet you that if the rules changed next year and that holdbacks were forced to play with their age, Crabs would still have the best teams. The best players from the other teams would show up to Crabs tryouts just like the 200 kids that show up for 8th grade every year.

Don't act like Crabs didn't dominate when everything was age based. The rules don't matter. Whatever they are, Crabs will always get the best kids in accordance with the rules.

Really? you think so? I thought the age based Crabs looked like they could get beat by other teams besides the one they lost to on ESPN. Playing aged based really is a game changer for them. You take away the older kids and they are good, but not great. There are many good teams if age based were the rule.

You are missing my point. Of course if you take the older kids off the current team they are not as good. My point is, if they had put the 2020 team together based on the WSYL rules, those spots that are taken by older kids would have other talented kids that were on age. There are so many kids that get cut that go star for other clubs. Just saying that they got their butts beat by Crush because they had to use their kids on age is stupid. Have you ever been to a Crabs tryout?

Again..arrogance of Crabs parent that is clueless. Many star players on other clubs are better then Crabs top players as well. Have watched Crabs many times and collectively they w r very strong team because older. But many individuals are good but not great. And they have 2-3 very weak players that somebody's dad knew somebody. Pretty standard with most clubs. If your logic made sense then Crabs would have bear Loonies by 10 but they had to come back from behind in win by 2. Look around another website besides Crabs and you see many 2018, 2019 kids from other clubs are signed with top schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again..arrogance of Crabs parent that is clueless. Many star players on other clubs are better then Crabs top players as well. Have watched Crabs many times and collectively they w r very strong team because older. But many individuals are good but not great. And they have 2-3 very weak players that somebody's dad knew somebody. Pretty standard with most clubs. If your logic made sense then Crabs would have bear Loonies by 10 but they had to come back from behind in win by 2. Look around another website besides Crabs and you see many 2018, 2019 kids from other clubs are signed with top schools.

And you are clueless if you really don't think that kids on Looneys, FCA, etc don't come to Crabs tryouts and get cut. Also, I never said that other clubs don't have good players, but the notion that Crabs would struggle if they changed the rules to age based is silly.

You'll never see a Loonies kid at Crabs tryout. Loonies FOGO came up from FL and tried out for 3 teams...didn't tryout for Crabs. He is considered by many the best FOGO in country and beats Crabs at face off 70% of time. FCA Kelly's never tried out for Crabs. They are some of best attackman and middies in state consistently. List goes on and on. Actually many of Crabs players have been cherry picked from other programs because they r asked to repeat 8th grade. Like I said...another brainwashed, clueless Crab parent who thinks they are the only game in town....NOT.

Saw the Crabs 2020 team today at BL. Players mingling with Hawks and 91 players. It is laughable to see the age/maturity/facial hair of the Crabs players vs. the other 2020 players. Briefly spoke to Crabs parent about their line up. He had no qualms at telling me the majority of the starting line up are reclassed.

He has no qualms telling you that because you cant hide the truth. Best 9th grade team in 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw the Crabs 2020 team today at BL. Players mingling with Hawks and 91 players. It is laughable to see the age/maturity/facial hair of the Crabs players vs. the other 2020 players. Briefly spoke to Crabs parent about their line up. He had no qualms at telling me the majority of the starting line up are reclassed.

Was there a tournament at BL today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll never see a Loonies kid at Crabs tryout. Loonies FOGO came up from FL and tried out for 3 teams...didn't tryout for Crabs. He is considered by many the best FOGO in country and beats Crabs at face off 70% of time. FCA Kelly's never tried out for Crabs. They are some of best attackman and middies in state consistently. List goes on and on. Actually many of Crabs players have been cherry picked from other programs because they r asked to repeat 8th grade. Like I said...another brainwashed, clueless Crab parent who thinks they are the only game in town....NOT.

Funny there were so many orange helmets at Crabs tryouts this year.

And FCAs best 2019 defenseman moved to Crabs this year. Really not sure what your point was, but you are completely wrong. I guess I'm clueless though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw the Crabs 2020 team today at BL. Players mingling with Hawks and 91 players. It is laughable to see the age/maturity/facial hair of the Crabs players vs. the other 2020 players. Briefly spoke to Crabs parent about their line up. He had no qualms at telling me the majority of the starting line up are reclassed.

And Crabs played games against just Rock and Philly Freedom. Who set up that schedule? Not fair to those teams.

I really don't understand why some people spend so much time on forums speaking out about a team they have nothing to do with. The funny thing is that many kids on 91, Crabs, FCA, etc are really good friends and don't seem to care about reclassers. Maybe some of the lunatic parents should take a page from their kids and just relax and enjoy the ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll never see a Loonies kid at Crabs tryout.

Logan Wisnaukas, attackman for Crabs 2016 (and Syracuse commit) used to play for Looney's.

Guess you everything. NOT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't understand why some people spend so much time on forums speaking out about a team they have nothing to do with. The funny thing is that many kids on 91, Crabs, FCA, etc are really good friends and don't seem to care about reclassers. Maybe some of the lunatic parents should take a page from their kids and just relax and enjoy the ride.

A lot of kids care about reclassers. They think it's cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw the Crabs 2020 team today at BL. Players mingling with Hawks and 91 players. It is laughable to see the age/maturity/facial hair of the Crabs players vs. the other 2020 players. Briefly spoke to Crabs parent about their line up. He had no qualms at telling me the majority of the starting line up are reclassed.

Was there a tournament at BL today?

Hawks 2020 Play Day:
Hawks Green over Philly Freedom
91 MD Force over Hawks and Rock
Crabs over Rock and Philly Freedom

FCA Blue dropped out last minute.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw the Crabs 2020 team today at BL. Players mingling with Hawks and 91 players. It is laughable to see the age/maturity/facial hair of the Crabs players vs. the other 2020 players. Briefly spoke to Crabs parent about their line up. He had no qualms at telling me the majority of the starting line up are reclassed.

Was there a tournament at BL today?

Yeah - Scrimmages between Crabs, Hawks, 91MD, FCA, Rock, & Freedom 2020s. Anyone have details on how the teams did?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll never see a Loonies kid at Crabs tryout. Loonies FOGO came up from FL and tried out for 3 teams...didn't tryout for Crabs. He is considered by many the best FOGO in country and beats Crabs at face off 70% of time. FCA Kelly's never tried out for Crabs. They are some of best attackman and middies in state consistently. List goes on and on. Actually many of Crabs players have been cherry picked from other programs because they r asked to repeat 8th grade. Like I said...another brainwashed, clueless Crab parent who thinks they are the only game in town....NOT.

Funny there were so many orange helmets at Crabs tryouts this year.

And FCAs best 2019 defenseman moved to Crabs this year. Really not sure what your point was, but you are completely wrong. I guess I'm clueless though.

The above statement is completely false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't understand why some people spend so much time on forums speaking out about a team they have nothing to do with. The funny thing is that many kids on 91, Crabs, FCA, etc are really good friends and don't seem to care about reclassers. Maybe some of the lunatic parents should take a page from their kids and just relax and enjoy the ride.

This is not only the fault of RM and the parents who allow their kids to reclass but all the parents who knowingly allow their kids to play for and pay an organization that encourages kids to do this. You are all just as guilty and as much of a sell out as the parents who reclass their kids. Until you stop funding a club just so your kids looks better by surrounding themselves with holdbacks and possibly hurting another's child, this will not stop. You are also guilty, lack character and sportsmanship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You'll never see a Loonies kid at Crabs tryout. Loonies FOGO came up from FL and tried out for 3 teams...didn't tryout for Crabs. He is considered by many the best FOGO in country and beats Crabs at face off 70% of time. FCA Kelly's never tried out for Crabs. They are some of best attackman and middies in state consistently. List goes on and on. Actually many of Crabs players have been cherry picked from other programs because they r asked to repeat 8th grade. Like I said...another brainwashed, clueless Crab parent who thinks they are the only game in town....NOT.

Funny there were so many orange helmets at Crabs tryouts this year.

And FCAs best 2019 defenseman moved to Crabs this year. Really not sure what your point was, but you are completely wrong. I guess I'm clueless though.

The above statement is completely false.

Neither statement is false. There were plenty of Looneys kids at crabs tryouts this year. And the best long pole from FCA Blue 2019 moved to Crabs this year. You can check the rosters and see his write up from Jake Reed last year. He's now with Crabs.

Which statement do you consider false?

I'm not sure why you'd let your kid play for the Crabs unless they are held back a year or two. First, if they are playing in the younger youth teams they will probably get cut and replaced by holdbacks come 7/8th gr. Second, once the holdbacks come, they take the starting line up spots, leaving on age kids at a deficit until they hit puberty a yr or two later. I still can't get over some of the cuts that took place after the WSYL game. I don't know the kids personally, but had seen the kids play many times on tournaments. Seems like such a slap in the face. Isn't that a huge red flag for parents? Many clubs have strong ties to colleges and are far more respected. If your kid is talented and plays for a good club, he will get recruited. Crabs don't have a magical formula, they just play younger kids so they stand out. So, yes, I do wonder why families woukd chose a club that doesn't have kids' best interest at heart.

In typical Crabs fashion they played Rock and Freedom. Of course RM doesn't put his team up against the better opponents unless he has to. I assume they beat both handily. Saw Hawks v. 91. 7-4 91. Evenly matched - 91 looked better. These two teams have gone tit for tat over the years. Good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not sure why you'd let your kid play for the Crabs unless they are held back a year or two. First, if they are playing in the younger youth teams they will probably get cut and replaced by holdbacks come 7/8th gr. Second, once the holdbacks come, they take the starting line up spots, leaving on age kids at a deficit until they hit puberty a yr or two later. I still can't get over some of the cuts that took place after the WSYL game. I don't know the kids personally, but had seen the kids play many times on tournaments. Seems like such a slap in the face. Isn't that a huge red flag for parents? Many clubs have strong ties to colleges and are far more respected. If your kid is talented and plays for a good club, he will get recruited. Crabs don't have a magical formula, they just play younger kids so they stand out. So, yes, I do wonder why families woukd chose a club that doesn't have kids' best interest at heart.

Maybe because my son loves his teammates and really has fun playing for Crabs? Is that not a good enough reason? He's the one busting his [lacrosse] to be on the team and get PT, not me. Seems to me that everyone on here is much more concerned with themselves than their children. To each his own, but at the end of the day, my son is playing where he wants to play and the fact that he may have to work harder as an on age player is a challenge he relishes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not sure why you'd let your kid play for the Crabs unless they are held back a year or two. First, if they are playing in the younger youth teams they will probably get cut and replaced by holdbacks come 7/8th gr. Second, once the holdbacks come, they take the starting line up spots, leaving on age kids at a deficit until they hit puberty a yr or two later. I still can't get over some of the cuts that took place after the WSYL game. I don't know the kids personally, but had seen the kids play many times on tournaments. Seems like such a slap in the face. Isn't that a huge red flag for parents? Many clubs have strong ties to colleges and are far more respected. If your kid is talented and plays for a good club, he will get recruited. Crabs don't have a magical formula, they just play younger kids so they stand out. So, yes, I do wonder why families woukd chose a club that doesn't have kids' best interest at heart.

Maybe because my son loves his teammates and really has fun playing for Crabs? Is that not a good enough reason? He's the one busting his [lacrosse] to be on the team and get PT, not me. Seems to me that everyone on here is much more concerned with themselves than their children. To each his own, but at the end of the day, my son is playing where he wants to play and the fact that he may have to work harder as an on age player is a challenge he relishes.

While that is all well and good, and I mean that, you may have to face the possibility of you being "requested" that your son repeat a grade in order to stay with Crabs. This has happened many times and will continue, going forward.
This is the way Ryan M manipulates the system and ends up with 10+ holdbacks on his 2020 team.
This is not the intention or spirit of grade base youth lacrosse, but Ryan M found a way to manipulate the system to his advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not sure why you'd let your kid play for the Crabs unless they are held back a year or two. First, if they are playing in the younger youth teams they will probably get cut and replaced by holdbacks come 7/8th gr. Second, once the holdbacks come, they take the starting line up spots, leaving on age kids at a deficit until they hit puberty a yr or two later. I still can't get over some of the cuts that took place after the WSYL game. I don't know the kids personally, but had seen the kids play many times on tournaments. Seems like such a slap in the face. Isn't that a huge red flag for parents? Many clubs have strong ties to colleges and are far more respected. If your kid is talented and plays for a good club, he will get recruited. Crabs don't have a magical formula, they just play younger kids so they stand out. So, yes, I do wonder why families woukd chose a club that doesn't have kids' best interest at heart.

Maybe because my son loves his teammates and really has fun playing for Crabs? Is that not a good enough reason? He's the one busting his [lacrosse] to be on the team and get PT, not me. Seems to me that everyone on here is much more concerned with themselves than their children. To each his own, but at the end of the day, my son is playing where he wants to play and the fact that he may have to work harder as an on age player is a challenge he relishes.

While that is all well and good, and I mean that, you may have to face the possibility of you being "requested" that your son repeat a grade in order to stay with Crabs. This has happened many times and will continue, going forward.
This is the way Ryan M manipulates the system and ends up with 10+ holdbacks on his 2020 team.
This is not the intention or spirit of grade base youth lacrosse, but Ryan M found a way to manipulate the system to his advantage.

What is your answer for the public school kid who did K or 1st grade twice. Where and what should he play during the spring. he is not in high school yet what team can he play on? Are we going to hurt the few kids who do have a real school issue. Because others work the system. Like all rules everywhere someone is going to work them and find a loop hole.

Those orange helmets at Crabs tryouts are from Bethesda. 25% of Crabs players came from Bethesda. Not saying that you won't get 1 or 2 from other clubs but having attended the Crabs tryouts you saw very few helmets from Loonies, FCA, Hawks..the majority of these teams stay in tact. And

On a positive note. 2020 lax in B more is most talented and athletic group I've seen in many years. Studs across the board. We need to pick an All Star Team from HOCO 2020 age group and that's a team that could beat Team 91 Crush. Imagine picking best from Looniies, FCA, Crabs, Hawks, and 91 Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On a positive note. 2020 lax in B more is most talented and athletic group I've seen in many years. Studs across the board. We need to pick an All Star Team from HOCO 2020 age group and that's a team that could beat Team 91 Crush. Imagine picking best from Looniies, FCA, Crabs, Hawks, and 91 Maryland.

I believe a couple of these teams can beat 91 crush right now (crabs, looneys). A 2020 Maryland all star team would destroy any team out there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't understand why some people spend so much time on forums speaking out about a team they have nothing to do with. The funny thing is that many kids on 91, Crabs, FCA, etc are really good friends and don't seem to care about reclassers. Maybe some of the lunatic parents should take a page from their kids and just relax and enjoy the ride.

Friends yes, but they also know the deal. You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Kids don't care. Only the dads who have kids who can't compete care about reclassed kids.

It doesn't matter. When they are in HS, they will see kids of all different ages, sizes, abilities, etc. The crying makes you look pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids don't care. Only the dads who have kids who can't compete care about reclassed kids.

It doesn't matter. When they are in HS, they will see kids of all different ages, sizes, abilities, etc. The crying makes you look pathetic.

they aren't in high school yet, no is complaining about high school ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids don't care. Only the dads who have kids who can't compete care about reclassed kids.

It doesn't matter. When they are in HS, they will see kids of all different ages, sizes, abilities, etc. The crying makes you look pathetic.

LOL ... and playing kids a year or two younger to gain an advantage is what? If there is ANYTHING pathetic about the situation, it is parents like you.

By your logic, if they all even out in High School why even reclass? You know why -- because your son can't compete and shine against kids his same age!

To gain an athletic advantage for a sport with 12.6 scholarships and a mediocre pro league is PATHETIC.

If the event is age based, no rules are broken. If you don't like it, tell your club owner that you only want to be entered in age based events.

Otherwise, just cheer for your son and stop whining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On a positive note. 2020 lax in B more is most talented and athletic group I've seen in many years. Studs across the board. We need to pick an All Star Team from HOCO 2020 age group and that's a team that could beat Team 91 Crush. Imagine picking best from Looniies, FCA, Crabs, Hawks, and 91 Maryland.

Loonies and Crabs will compete with Crush by themselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids don't care. Only the dads who have kids who can't compete care about reclassed kids.

It doesn't matter. When they are in HS, they will see kids of all different ages, sizes, abilities, etc. The crying makes you look pathetic.

Yes the reclassed kids will be the ones crying when they lose their advantage and once again look average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kids don't care. Only the dads who have kids who can't compete care about reclassed kids.

It doesn't matter. When they are in HS, they will see kids of all different ages, sizes, abilities, etc. The crying makes you look pathetic.

So you're the type of guy who wouldn't care if his 13 year old daughter dates the 15 year old boy right? Age is just a number, and there is no way that older boy is trying to take advantage of the age difference. It'll all even out anyway when she's in high school. Right dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

Crush will beat Crabs and Loonies by 5 goals. Not even in same league..they had a couple lucky games but most of these match ups have ended badly for Crabs and Loonies.

The kids on our team were saying the same thing. Everyone knows the Crabs kids are older....it's totally obvious. The kids are around kids their own age all the time. They probably see it quicker than we do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

I did not say that, I was responding to the OP who said that the kids are calling the elite bracket the reclass bracket, that is absolutely not true. Yes, the kids all know who the hold backs are, for the most part they don't care. My son is an on-age 2020 on one of the elite teams, not a crab, his attitude...whatever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

If by dose of reality you mean that most Crabs holdbacks make varsity as freshman at MIAA "A" schools then you are correct.

It's fun to make things up. My grandpa does it all the time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

If by dose of reality you mean that most Crabs holdbacks make varsity as freshman at MIAA "A" schools then you are correct.

It's fun to make things up. My grandpa does it all the time

Considering most Crabs 2020 holdbacks are an "older" 16, some approaching 17 when they enter their freshman year. Something to be really proud of Crab dad. Maybe you can find a way for your son to game the academics in school also.

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

I did not say that, I was responding to the OP who said that the kids are calling the elite bracket the reclass bracket, that is absolutely not true. Yes, the kids all know who the hold backs are, for the most part they don't care. My son is an on-age 2020 on one of the elite teams, not a crab, his attitude...whatever.

Completely agree. My kid is on age also. He played against the holdbacks/prefirsts growing up in rec with the U9, U11, U13 model. He could care less. Many of them are his friends and he has grown up playing with and against them. The only ones crying are the parents in regards to this issue.

It's not like it ends in High School either. BL's JV team played Hill Academy's Varsity "B" team yesterday. All those kids were 17-19 years old. BL's JV team ranges from 14-16. It was literally men against boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

I would like to make the point that the reclass still has a advantage when he hits high school. He is a 15 and a half year old freshman. So the coach gets four years to play a kid. Most great players do not play Var. as a freshman. But when you are a reclass you are big enough to show up and play Var. your first year in high school. So 4 years of playing Var. is a large advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

If by dose of reality you mean that most Crabs holdbacks make varsity as freshman at MIAA "A" schools then you are correct.

It's fun to make things up. My grandpa does it all the time

Considering most Crabs 2020 holdbacks are an "older" 16, some approaching 17 when they enter their freshman year. Something to be really proud of Crab dad. Maybe you can find a way for your son to game the academics in school also.

First off, you're off base on your ages for the most part. But whatever. My comment was in response to the poster that said the holdbacks would get a hard dose of reality when they get to high school. That is completely not true in almost all cases.

Obviously you have a bug up your [lacrosse] about holdbacks. Everyone makes a big deal about how these kids are learning poor lessons in that you can game the system and play down. But isn't it also a poor lesson to teach our kids that everything in life will always be fair and even? All of my kids are on age. They have all dealt with playing against older kids. When they graduate college, are they going to be competing for jobs with only others with the same degree from the same school with the same experience and no one has any connections? Of course not. There are lessons to be learned all around.

As long as the kids are having fun, learning a great game and working hard, why should the parents be so pissed off? Because junior may not win every tournament that they can go to work and brag about? I really believe that's what this is all about.

All the talk about safety...Can anyone provide any proof that injuries in youth lacrosse have increased due to the influx of holdbacks in middle school? All of our kids grew up playing in age groups that were across 2 years. What's the difference?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Yeah, that would be a breath of fresh air. Watched my son's Team91 play Hawks and Rock. Sorry to be critical, but Rock should not have been there. Score was 21 (or so) -0. Rock may have had 3 shots all game.
Hawks was a much better game with 91 winning 7-4. Hawks is a good team, but 91 seemed better at more positions. That said, Hawks has done well against this team (as former Breakers team)previously, so I think it will continue to be a back and forth battle with them....okay, now back to re-classing argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You know what the kids are calling the Elite division? The RECLASS division. Like you said before, the kids know each other. Many will end up playing with and against each other in high school.

It's not that they don't care about reclassers - it's that they're still KIDS, and feel powerless to do anything about it. They assume the ADULTS and COACHES will do the right thing and change the landscape. Sadly, here we are today ...

Nice try, gonna call BS on that. I think very few kids know anything about the Hoco hubbub, nor would they care much. It's the parents and coaches who are stirring everything up.

You are an absolute tool if you don't know that these kids know who the re-class player are. Enjoy it now crab's a-hole because once they hit High school everyone catches up and these "stars" who have been playing down will get a hard dose of reality.

I would like to make the point that the reclass still has a advantage when he hits high school. He is a 15 and a half year old freshman. So the coach gets four years to play a kid. Most great players do not play Var. as a freshman. But when you are a reclass you are big enough to show up and play Var. your first year in high school. So 4 years of playing Var. is a large advantage.

Careful, the truth upsets people on here. Although no one really cares about high school on here. Everyone just wants to post on facebook and brag at work that little Timmy won a championship this weekend. And these damn holdbacks are making it tough for that to happen.

Who cares if Timmy is having fun and being well coached, the point of youth lacrosse is to win free tshirts!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Yeah, that would be a breath of fresh air. Watched my son's Team91 play Hawks and Rock. Sorry to be critical, but Rock should not have been there. Score was 21 (or so) -0. Rock may have had 3 shots all game.
Hawks was a much better game with 91 winning 7-4. Hawks is a good team, but 91 seemed better at more positions. That said, Hawks has done well against this team (as former Breakers team)previously, so I think it will continue to be a back and forth battle with them....okay, now back to re-classing argument.

I heard that Crabs did not (probably didn't want to) play 91 or Hawks, they played Rocks and a light team form Philly. This is typical for Ryan McClernan, avoid the tougher teams who on any given day could beat them. He never wants to put his team in that position. Also heard FCA Blue was suppose to play but had to cancel.

FCA blue was never scheduled to play. If we were no one ever knew about it. We don't start practice until this week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Yeah, that would be a breath of fresh air. Watched my son's Team91 play Hawks and Rock. Sorry to be critical, but Rock should not have been there. Score was 21 (or so) -0. Rock may have had 3 shots all game.
Hawks was a much better game with 91 winning 7-4. Hawks is a good team, but 91 seemed better at more positions. That said, Hawks has done well against this team (as former Breakers team)previously, so I think it will continue to be a back and forth battle with them....okay, now back to re-classing argument.

I heard that Crabs did not (probably didn't want to) play 91 or Hawks, they played Rocks and a light team form Philly. This is typical for Ryan McClernan, avoid the tougher teams who on any given day could beat them. He never wants to put his team in that position. Also heard FCA Blue was suppose to play but had to cancel.

Sounds like you "heard" a lot. I hear things all the time. Doesn't make them true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Yeah, that would be a breath of fresh air. Watched my son's Team91 play Hawks and Rock. Sorry to be critical, but Rock should not have been there. Score was 21 (or so) -0. Rock may have had 3 shots all game.
Hawks was a much better game with 91 winning 7-4. Hawks is a good team, but 91 seemed better at more positions. That said, Hawks has done well against this team (as former Breakers team)previously, so I think it will continue to be a back and forth battle with them....okay, now back to re-classing argument.

I heard that Crabs did not (probably didn't want to) play 91 or Hawks, they played Rocks and a light team form Philly. This is typical for Ryan McClernan, avoid the tougher teams who on any given day could beat them. He never wants to put his team in that position. Also heard FCA Blue was suppose to play but had to cancel.

I can't speak to that, although I agree Team91 on a very good day could challenge Crabs. Originally, Team91 was also supposed to play FCA in the AM. I was told they were missing some players and with Calvert Hall (same coach) in Carolina for the weekend, they canceled.

The Hawks vs. 91 game was probably the best game of the day. Hawks struggled at faceoffs, (thought they were supposed to have elevated that this year) but still managed to keep it competitive. I felt bad for Rock as they were really overmatched. I was also surprised that the Crabs did not play better against Freedom. Freedom faired much better than Rock over all, but they lost to Crabs by the same spread as Hawks. I would liked to have watched Crabs vs. 91 or Hawks. Either game would have been fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Yeah, that would be a breath of fresh air. Watched my son's Team91 play Hawks and Rock. Sorry to be critical, but Rock should not have been there. Score was 21 (or so) -0. Rock may have had 3 shots all game.
Hawks was a much better game with 91 winning 7-4. Hawks is a good team, but 91 seemed better at more positions. That said, Hawks has done well against this team (as former Breakers team)previously, so I think it will continue to be a back and forth battle with them....okay, now back to re-classing argument.

I heard that Crabs did not (probably didn't want to) play 91 or Hawks, they played Rocks and a light team form Philly. This is typical for Ryan McClernan, avoid the tougher teams who on any given day could beat them. He never wants to put his team in that position. Also heard FCA Blue was suppose to play but had to cancel.

Sounds like you "heard" a lot. I hear things all the time. Doesn't make them true.

Did I say they were true? Just said I heard things. Looking for verification from someone who may know, but as usual get assho*e responses from people like you. Maybe you don't have the IQ to separate fact from fiction on the things you hear all the time.

Breakers beat Hawks in the same early Spring play day 3 years in a row. 3 years ago it was like 20-3. 91 dominated the faceoff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA blue was never scheduled to play. If we were no one ever knew about it. We don't start practice until this week.

I'll chalk it up to a mis-communication. We had FCA listed on our Team Snap schedule until Thursday or Friday last week. We'll play soon enough and I'm sure it'll be highly competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Yeah, that would be a breath of fresh air. Watched my son's Team91 play Hawks and Rock. Sorry to be critical, but Rock should not have been there. Score was 21 (or so) -0. Rock may have had 3 shots all game.
Hawks was a much better game with 91 winning 7-4. Hawks is a good team, but 91 seemed better at more positions. That said, Hawks has done well against this team (as former Breakers team)previously, so I think it will continue to be a back and forth battle with them....okay, now back to re-classing argument.

I heard that Crabs did not (probably didn't want to) play 91 or Hawks, they played Rocks and a light team form Philly. This is typical for Ryan McClernan, avoid the tougher teams who on any given day could beat them. He never wants to put his team in that position. Also heard FCA Blue was suppose to play but had to cancel.

Sounds like you "heard" a lot. I hear things all the time. Doesn't make them true.

Did I say they were true? Just said I heard things. Looking for verification from someone who may know, but as usual get assho*e responses from people like you. Maybe you don't have the IQ to separate fact from fiction on the things you hear all the time.

So you just randomly post things you "hear" so that you can take a pointless random shot at RM and Crabs? And I'm the [lacrosse]?

I'll keep in mind that in the future I will just make stuff up, say I "heard" it, and then take shots at whoever I have a problem with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers beat Hawks in the same early Spring play day 3 years in a row. 3 years ago it was like 20-3. 91 dominated the faceoff.

Hawks have a new faceoff kid. Saw him in indoor. Did not see him Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers beat Hawks in the same early Spring play day 3 years in a row. 3 years ago it was like 20-3. 91 dominated the faceoff.

Not true - there has never been that much of a spread between 91/Breakers and Hawks. 91 did win more face offs but would not say they dominated - their 3 face off middies are equally good. The teams have been battling it out for years and look forward to playing one another - neither team shys away from competition and both walk away knowing they are better for each game regardless of who wins. They are always great competitive games. Next game they may very well flip again. The kids and coaches are friends - do not drag them into the drama of this forum.

Don't worry. 91 goes 2-4 in hoco

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers beat Hawks in the same early Spring play day 3 years in a row. 3 years ago it was like 20-3. 91 dominated the faceoff.

You may be referring to the A teams - not Hawks Green and 91 Force(formerly Breakers AA). These two teams have gone goal for goal for years most recently a tie in the fall and we can look forward to more in the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers beat Hawks in the same early Spring play day 3 years in a row. 3 years ago it was like 20-3. 91 dominated the faceoff.

Not true - there has never been that much of a spread between 91/Breakers and Hawks. 91 did win more face offs but would not say they dominated - their 3 face off middies are equally good. The teams have been battling it out for years and look forward to playing one another - neither team shys away from competition and both walk away knowing they are better for each game regardless of who wins. They are always great competitive games. Next game they may very well flip again. The kids and coaches are friends - do not drag them into the drama of this forum.

Agreed. 91 tied Hawks in Fall and Breakers lost to Hawks in Spring play-off. Very evenly matched teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any comments on the games played this past weekend at BL or the Next Level play day? I hope the majority of readers prefer constructive comments and not the crap that's been eating up this forum. Any teams or players(#s and positions only) stand out?

Yeah, that would be a breath of fresh air. Watched my son's Team91 play Hawks and Rock. Sorry to be critical, but Rock should not have been there. Score was 21 (or so) -0. Rock may have had 3 shots all game.
Hawks was a much better game with 91 winning 7-4. Hawks is a good team, but 91 seemed better at more positions. That said, Hawks has done well against this team (as former Breakers team)previously, so I think it will continue to be a back and forth battle with them....okay, now back to re-classing argument.

I heard that Crabs did not (probably didn't want to) play 91 or Hawks, they played Rocks and a light team form Philly. This is typical for Ryan McClernan, avoid the tougher teams who on any given day could beat them. He never wants to put his team in that position. Also heard FCA Blue was suppose to play but had to cancel.

Sounds like you "heard" a lot. I hear things all the time. Doesn't make them true.

Did I say they were true? Just said I heard things. Looking for verification from someone who may know, but as usual get assho*e responses from people like you. Maybe you don't have the IQ to separate fact from fiction on the things you hear all the time.

So you just randomly post things you "hear" so that you can take a pointless random shot at RM and Crabs? And I'm the [lacrosse]?

I'll keep in mind that in the future I will just make stuff up, say I "heard" it, and then take shots at whoever I have a problem with.

Yes you are the a hole, just proved it again and as I guessed it, a Crab dad. Why you defend a pos like Ryan McClerrnan is beyond me, but then again you have taken the Crabs Koolaid and in your mind all is good.
Go back and look at all the tournaments and play days Crabs hosts, anyone can quickly see how they put all of the lesser talented teams in their group, they never want to play anyone with the possibility of beating them until the final game, which they cannot avoid.
So I'll include you and Ryan M in the same POS category, you deserve each other. You just can't admit the truth or are too blinded to see the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. 91 goes 2-4 in hoco

And 91 is probably okay with that as long as their games are competitive. Different focus as a team and coaches than others who would do anything to win a game regardless of the cost to the boys. Trying to stir up trouble again and get everyone down to your level?

US Lacrosse Adopts New Player Segmentation Policy

from press release | Twitter

BALTIMORE � US Lacrosse, the national governing body for men�s and women�s lacrosse, has adopted a new player segmentation policy to help ensure player safety, competitive fairness and a consistent experience for youth lacrosse. The policy was approved by the US Lacrosse Board of Directors in January.

In order to allow leagues, programs and events to adjust, the policy will go into effect on September 1, 2017, but groups are encouraged to begin following the policy sooner if logistics permit.

�We want this to happen as soon as possible, but we know it will take some time for people to adapt to these changes,� said Kristen Murray, vice chair of the US Lacrosse Board of Directors and chair of the task force that recommended the policy. �We need to keep driving it forward, because this is what�s best for the kids.�

Among the notable items in the player segmentation policy:
�An emphasis on grouping players by single-age years (12-month span).
�Age is based on player�s age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level.
�Firmly defined playing season that begins its 12-month cycle on September 1.
�Standardized nomenclature that lists age first, i.e., 12U.

In order to help leagues and events monitor the age of participants, US Lacrosse has developed an online age verification system, which includes a review of a birth certificate or other legal document to confirm a player�s birth date.

�All of these things � player segmentation, age verification, athlete development � improve the quality of competition, play and overall experience,� said George Leveille, a task force member who also serves as organizer of the popular Summit Lacrosse Tournament in Lake Placid, N.Y. �The new player segmentation policy was designed to increase participation by making it a more enjoyable and safer playing experience.�

Rules for each age group will be determined by the US Lacrosse rules subcommittees. The rules subcommittees meet each spring and summer to propose rules, which are voted on by the US Lacrosse Board of Directors in September. The rules for each age group will be in sync with the Lacrosse Athlete Development Model, a new initiative for US Lacrosse launched this year.

Members of the lacrosse community wishing to provide input to the rules change process can do so by visiting the following links:

Boys: http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/boys-rules/boys-rule-change-proposal-form.aspx

Girls: http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/girls-rules/girls-rule-change-proposal-form.aspx

US Lacrosse recognizes that many leagues and programs are currently grouped in age spans beyond 12 months. For local league and community-based play, organizations may form teams with up to a 24-month age variance if necessary to ensure participation. If two age groups are combined, the even year age should be the maximum age for the paired segment (i.e., 7U/8U) and teams with a greater than 12-month variance must play by the rules for the youngest age group of the team. Local organizations that choose to form teams with a 24-month variance should have appropriate risk management policies and planning in place to ensure that player safety is not compromised.

A chart with the player segmentations for the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons is available here.

A task force that included US Lacrosse staff, volunteers, and lacrosse leaders from around the country developed the player segmentation policy. A complete copy of the policy is available on the US Lacrosse web site. Helping to guide the decision making process was a research-based position paper on recommendations for youth lacrosse participation published in 2011.

Frequently Asked Questions

Why did the US Lacrosse Board of Directors adopt this policy?

The US Lacrosse Board of Directors adopted the player segmentation policy for three primary reasons: Player safety, competitive fairness and consistent experience for participants.

Why was age chosen to segment players?

Age is the best indicator for determining how to group children due to physical and cognitive development. It is also the most easily verified method to segment players. The new US Lacrosse age verification system will assist leagues and events in ensuring that players are segmented properly. However, the age groupings were designed to align as closely as possible with students� grade level in school so that they can participate with their classmates.

What happens if there are not enough players to field a team using the new segmentations?

The task force recognized that some programs will not have enough players to segment by single-aged years. Provisions are included to allow 24-month age segmentations for local league and community-based play, if necessary, to ensure participation. The aim of the policy is to improve the experience for everyone in order increase participation, not discourage it.

Why was September 1 chosen as the start date of the season?

The playing season was firmly defined as September 1 through August 31 of each year to help ensure consistency. The fall date was chosen as the start date for the new season, as the majority of teams use the fall to begin their preparation for the upcoming spring and summer seasons.

Why is the age listed first on the groupings?

The nomenclature for age groupings was changed to have the age listed first for clarity and to allow for a clear break between youth (14U and younger) and scholastic (15U to 18U) lacrosse. Previously, the U15 level was considered youth, but often included age-eligible high school players. Those situations will be limited in the new structure.

Crabs play the weakest teams. Surprise surprise. What does the US Lacrosse new age segmentation rules released today mean for the Holdback central. Does this mean the age of holdbacks is coming to an end?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse Adopts New Player Segmentation Policy

from press release | Twitter

BALTIMORE � US Lacrosse, the national governing body for men�s and women�s lacrosse, has adopted a new player segmentation policy to help ensure player safety, competitive fairness and a consistent experience for youth lacrosse. The policy was approved by the US Lacrosse Board of Directors in January.

In order to allow leagues, programs and events to adjust, the policy will go into effect on September 1, 2017, but groups are encouraged to begin following the policy sooner if logistics permit.

�We want this to happen as soon as possible, but we know it will take some time for people to adapt to these changes,� said Kristen Murray, vice chair of the US Lacrosse Board of Directors and chair of the task force that recommended the policy. �We need to keep driving it forward, because this is what�s best for the kids.�

Among the notable items in the player segmentation policy:
�An emphasis on grouping players by single-age years (12-month span).
�Age is based on player�s age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level.
�Firmly defined playing season that begins its 12-month cycle on September 1.
�Standardized nomenclature that lists age first, i.e., 12U.

In order to help leagues and events monitor the age of participants, US Lacrosse has developed an online age verification system, which includes a review of a birth certificate or other legal document to confirm a player�s birth date.

�All of these things � player segmentation, age verification, athlete development � improve the quality of competition, play and overall experience,� said George Leveille, a task force member who also serves as organizer of the popular Summit Lacrosse Tournament in Lake Placid, N.Y. �The new player segmentation policy was designed to increase participation by making it a more enjoyable and safer playing experience.�

Rules for each age group will be determined by the US Lacrosse rules subcommittees. The rules subcommittees meet each spring and summer to propose rules, which are voted on by the US Lacrosse Board of Directors in September. The rules for each age group will be in sync with the Lacrosse Athlete Development Model, a new initiative for US Lacrosse launched this year.

Members of the lacrosse community wishing to provide input to the rules change process can do so by visiting the following links:

Boys: http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/boys-rules/boys-rule-change-proposal-form.aspx

Girls: http://www.uslacrosse.org/rules/girls-rules/girls-rule-change-proposal-form.aspx

US Lacrosse recognizes that many leagues and programs are currently grouped in age spans beyond 12 months. For local league and community-based play, organizations may form teams with up to a 24-month age variance if necessary to ensure participation. If two age groups are combined, the even year age should be the maximum age for the paired segment (i.e., 7U/8U) and teams with a greater than 12-month variance must play by the rules for the youngest age group of the team. Local organizations that choose to form teams with a 24-month variance should have appropriate risk management policies and planning in place to ensure that player safety is not compromised.

A chart with the player segmentations for the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons is available here.

A task force that included US Lacrosse staff, volunteers, and lacrosse leaders from around the country developed the player segmentation policy. A complete copy of the policy is available on the US Lacrosse web site. Helping to guide the decision making process was a research-based position paper on recommendations for youth lacrosse participation published in 2011.

Frequently Asked Questions

Why did the US Lacrosse Board of Directors adopt this policy?

The US Lacrosse Board of Directors adopted the player segmentation policy for three primary reasons: Player safety, competitive fairness and consistent experience for participants.

Why was age chosen to segment players?

Age is the best indicator for determining how to group children due to physical and cognitive development. It is also the most easily verified method to segment players. The new US Lacrosse age verification system will assist leagues and events in ensuring that players are segmented properly. However, the age groupings were designed to align as closely as possible with students� grade level in school so that they can participate with their classmates.

What happens if there are not enough players to field a team using the new segmentations?

The task force recognized that some programs will not have enough players to segment by single-aged years. Provisions are included to allow 24-month age segmentations for local league and community-based play, if necessary, to ensure participation. The aim of the policy is to improve the experience for everyone in order increase participation, not discourage it.

Why was September 1 chosen as the start date of the season?

The playing season was firmly defined as September 1 through August 31 of each year to help ensure consistency. The fall date was chosen as the start date for the new season, as the majority of teams use the fall to begin their preparation for the upcoming spring and summer seasons.

Why is the age listed first on the groupings?

The nomenclature for age groupings was changed to have the age listed first for clarity and to allow for a clear break between youth (14U and younger) and scholastic (15U to 18U) lacrosse. Previously, the U15 level was considered youth, but often included age-eligible high school players. Those situations will be limited in the new structure.

And....the USLacrosse website crashes.

RM and Boys Latin must be crying right now. No more gaming the system. I would imagine we see the end of class based leagues/tournaments. Hooray!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs play the weakest teams. Surprise surprise. What does the US Lacrosse new age segmentation rules released today mean for the Holdback central. Does this mean the age of holdbacks is coming to an end?

Show me where any of the large leagues or tournaments the Crabs and others play in have we follow US lacrosse rules. I can not find it anywhere. I have not paid for my US lacrosse membership in years. I hope they are all forced to follow US lacrosse rules but I can not find where any of the top leagues say they do.

Exactly. Bye Bye Holdbacks. Will take a year to implement. Majority of top minds in lacrosse don't agree with the Uber competitive parents and coaches that are holding kids back for non-academic reasons.

Why do you think Boys' Latin cares about Club Lacrosse. Shriver hates the club lacrosse system and is not shy about voicing his opinion.

New U.S lacrosse rules = a harsh reality that little Johnny wasn't really that good!!!
Its going to even the playing field...

I think the big deal here is age verification. This is a step in the right direction and will ultimately end the holdback scheme. Imagine all those kids RM was planning to holdback and get his kickbacks from BL. Too bad.

I seriously doubt that Shriver hates an extra year of tuition when little johnny's parents let him repeat a year so he can play for crabs against younger kids.

If you think kids staying back a year for privates is going to stop you are a complete idiot. Holdbacks have been happening for 30+ years. Nothing will change in HS. Club lacrosse might change but so far US lacrosse has had no teeth with Clubs.

If youth club lacrosse goes strictly to age based teams then it will definitely have and impact - which is where the real problems lies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I seriously doubt that Shriver hates an extra year of tuition when little johnny's parents let him repeat a year so he can play for crabs against younger kids.

News flash. Coach Shriver's last season at BL is 2015.

Kids will still holdback so that they are a year older when they get to high school. They would just have to play on age in middle school.

The fact is though, US Lacrosse cannot enforce this new rule. How many tournaments these days require you to even have a US Lacrosse number? I welcome the change, but just don't see how it is going to be enforced. Clubs have already started their own tournaments. You think the NLF cares what US Lacrosse wants? You think that Madlax or Matt Hogan or Ryan Mclernan feel like they have to enforce this at their tournaments? Of course not.

If there are no grade based teams they will.

No sh-t but he was the coach at BL for the past 36 years. So I think all of the nonsense spewed on this forum that BL is in on the conspiracy with the clubs is ridiculous.

Crabs play and practice at BL. "Home of the Crabs" If you don't think RM doesn't get "something" from BL for the kids that go there and he convinces to reclass than you are either ignorant or na�ve.

You have to love anonymous message boards where idiots, that have no clue can spout off conspiracy theories. You really need to get a clue if you think BL is paying Crabs kickbacks for steering students to BL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have to love anonymous message boards where idiots, that have no clue can spout off conspiracy theories. You really need to get a clue if you think BL is paying Crabs kickbacks for steering students to BL.

Free practice time is a form of kickback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have to love anonymous message boards where idiots, that have no clue can spout off conspiracy theories. You really need to get a clue if you think BL is paying Crabs kickbacks for steering students to BL.

Considering the double holdback is transferring out of BL next year, that would seem pretty ridiculous.lol

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

I'm sure RM must be getting something for the 2, 2020 kids going to BL, one of which is transferring out as a previous post suggested. Before you start discrediting my claim of only 2, 2020 crabs players, I will let you know that my son is in the 2020 class at BL. He is not a hold back and plays for another elite team. I am not interested in this whole holdback issue. My son can and does compete with them. I do have an issue with the incorrect statements made due to ignorance or just plain old fabrication. I guess some just need something to complain about.

Crabs cheat and RM is a scheister. If BL had any class they would tell him to take his holdback scheme somewhere else. They won't - mo money mo money money

Guilty by association...be careful who and what you associate with!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

I'm sure RM must be getting something for the 2, 2020 kids going to BL, one of which is transferring out as a previous post suggested. Before you start discrediting my claim of only 2, 2020 crabs players, I will let you know that my son is in the 2020 class at BL. He is not a hold back and plays for another elite team. I am not interested in this whole holdback issue. My son can and does compete with them. I do have an issue with the incorrect statements made due to ignorance or just plain old fabrication. I guess some just need something to complain about.

Are u saying that the double holdback is leaving BL for another school. If that is true ..WOW , crazy. all in the name of Lacrosse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

I'm sure RM must be getting something for the 2, 2020 kids going to BL, one of which is transferring out as a previous post suggested. Before you start discrediting my claim of only 2, 2020 crabs players, I will let you know that my son is in the 2020 class at BL. He is not a hold back and plays for another elite team. I am not interested in this whole holdback issue. My son can and does compete with them. I do have an issue with the incorrect statements made due to ignorance or just plain old fabrication. I guess some just need something to complain about.

Are u saying that the double holdback is leaving BL for another school. If that is true ..WOW , crazy. all in the name of Lacrosse?

Calvert Hall made him promises that BL wouldn't. He's not worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

I'm sure RM must be getting something for the 2, 2020 kids going to BL, one of which is transferring out as a previous post suggested. Before you start discrediting my claim of only 2, 2020 crabs players, I will let you know that my son is in the 2020 class at BL. He is not a hold back and plays for another elite team. I am not interested in this whole holdback issue. My son can and does compete with them. I do have an issue with the incorrect statements made due to ignorance or just plain old fabrication. I guess some just need something to complain about.

Are u saying that the double holdback is leaving BL for another school. If that is true ..WOW , crazy. all in the name of Lacrosse?

Calvert Hall made him promises that BL wouldn't. He's not worth it.

I think it's sad the people do this to their kids -- or even let their kids do it if they want to. These are not professional athletes. What about friendships and having ties to your school community? What are we teaching these kids? Do anything to move ahead? For what? Seriously... for what? Holdback twice, switch high schools, leave your friends, your teachers, your coach. Really sad. And a shame. Kids need security. Ties. Community. Shame on these parents. Because that is who is to blame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

I'm sure RM must be getting something for the 2, 2020 kids going to BL, one of which is transferring out as a previous post suggested. Before you start discrediting my claim of only 2, 2020 crabs players, I will let you know that my son is in the 2020 class at BL. He is not a hold back and plays for another elite team. I am not interested in this whole holdback issue. My son can and does compete with them. I do have an issue with the incorrect statements made due to ignorance or just plain old fabrication. I guess some just need something to complain about.

Are u saying that the double holdback is leaving BL for another school. If that is true ..WOW , crazy. all in the name of Lacrosse?

Calvert Hall made him promises that BL wouldn't. He's not worth it.

Poor kid. What are his parents thinking?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

I'm sure RM must be getting something for the 2, 2020 kids going to BL, one of which is transferring out as a previous post suggested. Before you start discrediting my claim of only 2, 2020 crabs players, I will let you know that my son is in the 2020 class at BL. He is not a hold back and plays for another elite team. I am not interested in this whole holdback issue. My son can and does compete with them. I do have an issue with the incorrect statements made due to ignorance or just plain old fabrication. I guess some just need something to complain about.

Are u saying that the double holdback is leaving BL for another school. If that is true ..WOW , crazy. all in the name of Lacrosse?

Calvert Hall made him promises that BL wouldn't. He's not worth it.

Poor kid. What are his parents thinking?

In fairness, he went to prefirst and repeated a grade early in elementary school. He was not held back for athletics.

So instead of paying for lacrosse, the parents should be paying for a tutor. Is Calvert Hall's academics easier than BL's that he can do his school work and the "non-mandatory" practices at the Hall.

with that being said, with Calvert Hall students having two free periods a day where academic help is available, the Hall may be a better fit for him (although I am not sure about BL's schedule) academically.

CH and BL are both considered a joke academically.

A BL dad told me this kid got offered a full ride to BL. Not sure what more CHC could offer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot. How many times has your kid gotten cut from Crabs?

I'm sure RM must be getting something for the 2, 2020 kids going to BL, one of which is transferring out as a previous post suggested. Before you start discrediting my claim of only 2, 2020 crabs players, I will let you know that my son is in the 2020 class at BL. He is not a hold back and plays for another elite team. I am not interested in this whole holdback issue. My son can and does compete with them. I do have an issue with the incorrect statements made due to ignorance or just plain old fabrication. I guess some just need something to complain about.

Are u saying that the double holdback is leaving BL for another school. If that is true ..WOW , crazy. all in the name of Lacrosse?

Calvert Hall made him promises that BL wouldn't. He's not worth it.

Poor kid. What are his parents thinking?

In fairness, he went to prefirst and repeated a grade early in elementary school. He was not held back for athletics.

Slow your roll people. He's a kid. Yes, this may be (yet another) example of lunatic lacrosse parenting, but he's just a boy. Doesn't matter to me if he's good at lacrosse or not...let's all stop this discourse on a kid please. It's beneath even lacrosse parents, which I know is really saying something, but here just stop.

In my opinion hes not worth the full ride. There are a ton of players better and more deserving than him

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A BL dad told me this kid got offered a full ride to BL. Not sure what more CHC could offer.

Playing time probably

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A BL dad told me this kid got offered a full ride to BL. Not sure what more CHC could offer.

The kid was not offered a full ride.

CHC offered guaranteed spot on Varsity lacrosse and Football as a freshman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CH and BL are both considered a joke academically.

You have no idea what you are talking about. It depends on the kid. If in honors classes BL is one of the most rigorous programs in the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion hes not worth the full ride. There are a ton of players better and more deserving than him

My understanding is you still have to have some kind of need to get a full ride. If your family is wealthy I think you can not get a full ride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion hes not worth the full ride. There are a ton of players better and more deserving than him

My understanding is you still have to have some kind of need to get a full ride. If your family is wealthy I think you can not get a full ride.

I've heard all kinds of things about BL and Gilman in particular but Calvert Hall has been rumored to jump into this cesspool with full athletic rides. It's what youth sports is all about...right?

There is no " full ride ". It's just something people like to say to make their kid seem extra special. There is full financial aid if a family is very poor and qualifies based on federal/state guidelines. Don't know "so-called" double holdback ' s financial situati on n but maybe they qualified for full financial aid. Also, no guarantee on playing varsity..that will be earned and riding the bench on varsity isn't always best thing for freshmen development. CH football has been on steady decline for past 4 years..doubt they start any freshmen unless kid is at very high level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no " full ride ". It's just something people like to say to make their kid seem extra special. There is full financial aid if a family is very poor and qualifies based on federal/state guidelines. Don't know "so-called" double holdback ' s financial situati on n but maybe they qualified for full financial aid. Also, no guarantee on playing varsity..that will be earned and riding the bench on varsity isn't always best thing for freshmen development. CH football has been on steady decline for past 4 years..doubt they start any freshmen unless kid is at very high level.

He was promised varsity for both sports at CH. he's old enough to currently be in 10th grade so he should be on varsity any way

Financial Aid at private schools has nothing to do with Federal and State Guidelines. They are "private" and can therefore do whatever they want.

Poggi gave the OC at Maryland's kid a full ride and he lived in Poggi's house. The private schools can do whatever they want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Financial Aid at private schools has nothing to do with Federal and State Guidelines. They are "private" and can therefore do whatever they want.

There wasn't much fact in anything that person said other than that CH football has been on a decline. You are correct. The Privates can do whatever they want in terms of aid.

Mom and Dads W2 is the biggest factor, period. Kind of like the tax code -- the more you make the more you pay, even if you have a stud athlete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mom and Dads W2 is the biggest factor, period. Kind of like the tax code -- the more you make the more you pay, even if you have a stud athlete.

Just in: it's Bernie's way. hoco update:
Crabs wins it over Looneys in final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mom and Dads W2 is the biggest factor, period. Kind of like the tax code -- the more you make the more you pay, even if you have a stud athlete.

Just in: it's Bernie's way. hoco update:
Crabs wins it over Looneys in final.

91 force is ready for the big game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mom and Dads W2 is the biggest factor, period. Kind of like the tax code -- the more you make the more you pay, even if you have a stud athlete.

Just in: it's Bernie's way. hoco update:
Crabs wins it over Looneys in final.

91 force is ready for the big game

Now you sound like 91 Platinum. It will definitely be a Looneys/crabs championship. Everyone else just wants good competitive games and an occasional upset.
The schools can do what they want. It is not based entirely on income if they are using endowment money -especially if being the best in a particular sport was/is important to the endowment source.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mom and Dads W2 is the biggest factor, period. Kind of like the tax code -- the more you make the more you pay, even if you have a stud athlete.

Just in: it's Bernie's way. hoco update:
Crabs wins it over Looneys in final.

Pretty much common knowledge but nobody cares as everyone knows the story behind Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mom and Dads W2 is the biggest factor, period. Kind of like the tax code -- the more you make the more you pay, even if you have a stud athlete.

Unless the school really really wants you for sports than negotiations are absolutely possible and the norm .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mom and Dads W2 is the biggest factor, period. Kind of like the tax code -- the more you make the more you pay, even if you have a stud athlete.

Just in: it's Bernie's way. hoco update:
Crabs wins it over Looneys in final.

When will the final 2020 bracket for HoCo be announced and the schedule?

Strange that so many kids (see: Crabs) want to play down for club, but then play "up" on varsity as a 9th grader. Playing up at school is a badge of honor, but then pushed to play down for club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the final 2020 bracket for HoCo be announced and the schedule?

THIS. PLEASE.

I'm so tired or reading the d*** measuring contest the dads on this board are engaging in, I would just like to start the season up and see how the boys play on the field.

There's no measuring going on with dads. Half of them can't see their toes....like the King Crab! That's why their on this board living through their sons. Newsflash...put down the burger and exercise.

What club does your kid play for? Big shot slinging garbage and personally attacking a club and coach in an anonymous forum. Cowardly but expected....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What club does your kid play for? Big shot slinging garbage and personally attacking a club and coach in an anonymous forum. Cowardly but expected....

Cowardly but expected. That should be the CRABS t-shirts this season.

OWN IT!

Must be a chunker that can't see his toes getting defensive. My son was a D1 AA and never played for any Baltimore club. Thank goodness. You people are crazy and delusional. Just enjoy the game. Don't hold your kids back for sports...there's no money in lacrosse. Don't believe the hype and sign up for every "showcase"...90% r money grabs. Ask yourself these questions:

1) is my kid a good student? If not, most lacrosse opportunities are gone.
2) is my kid fast? Unless a goalie, if your answer is no then your kid will not play at the next level.
3) does my kid have good cardio? If no, kid will not play at next level.
4) is my kid a competitor that fights to the end...tough..be honest? If not, no chance.

What this means is. Enjoy your sons time playing. Don't live through them. The majority of all these kids will not play D1 lacrosse. Of the ones that do have gifts, very few will receive much scholarship. Regardless of which team wins 8th grade title....the majority of kids on that team will not play at next level. Enjoy these years because high school will be last time you watch most of these kids play. That is, excluding many kids that can play D2, D3. Now go for a run fat dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must be a chunker that can't see his toes getting defensive. My son was a D1 AA and never played for any Baltimore club. Thank goodness. You people are crazy and delusional. Just enjoy the game. Don't hold your kids back for sports...there's no money in lacrosse. Don't believe the hype and sign up for every "showcase"...90% r money grabs. Ask yourself these questions:

1) is my kid a good student? If not, most lacrosse opportunities are gone.
2) is my kid fast? Unless a goalie, if your answer is no then your kid will not play at the next level.
3) does my kid have good cardio? If no, kid will not play at next level.
4) is my kid a competitor that fights to the end...tough..be honest? If not, no chance.

What this means is. Enjoy your sons time playing. Don't live through them. The majority of all these kids will not play D1 lacrosse. Of the ones that do have gifts, very few will receive much scholarship. Regardless of which team wins 8th grade title....the majority of kids on that team will not play at next level. Enjoy these years because high school will be last time you watch most of these kids play. That is, excluding many kids that can play D2, D3. Now go for a run fat dad.

i prefer pleasantly plump

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

There is no "normal". Everyone is special. Way too vague to enforce anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

There is no "normal". Everyone is special. Way too vague to enforce anything.

Normal would be the Maryland State Age for school entry which and what a reasonable person would expect when allowing their child to play - a deviation from that in the state of Maryland would be not normal for a Maryland based league. Law is generally based on what a reasonable person would expect and no reasonable person would expect a kid that is turning 16 this spring to be in 8th grade.

Hoco league prediction

Crabs 5-1
Looneys 4-2
91 3-3
Fca 3-3
Rising sons 3-3
Hawks 2-4
NL 1-5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hoco league prediction

Crabs 5-1
Looneys 4-2
91 3-3
Fca 3-3
Rising sons 3-3
Hawks 2-4
NL 1-5

That's about right but NL won't win and Crabs won't lose. Looney's probably 5-1, FCA, 91, and Sons will be a toss up. Should be fun.

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

There is no "normal". Everyone is special. Way too vague to enforce anything.

Normal would be the Maryland State Age for school entry which and what a reasonable person would expect when allowing their child to play - a deviation from that in the state of Maryland would be not normal for a Maryland based league. Law is generally based on what a reasonable person would expect and no reasonable person would expect a kid that is turning 16 this spring to be in 8th grade.

Howard County Recreation is a joke. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? Maybe a Department head has his kids in a MIAA school? Or he wants his kid to go there? No other reason as most holdbacks are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

There is no "normal". Everyone is special. Way too vague to enforce anything.

Normal would be the Maryland State Age for school entry which and what a reasonable person would expect when allowing their child to play - a deviation from that in the state of Maryland would be not normal for a Maryland based league. Law is generally based on what a reasonable person would expect and no reasonable person would expect a kid that is turning 16 this spring to be in 8th grade.

I hope this is an exaggeration. What parent really think their son should be in 8th gr as a 16 yr old? It must be fun to have friends that are 13-14! Talk about stunting your kid, academically, socially and emotionally- all in the name of a sport that barely pays out much scholarship wise. It's like a deal with the devil. Parents need to think like adults and not live through their kids. This nonsense has to stop- not for the game, but the well being of the kids!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The fact that you are saying with a serious face that Crabs 2020 has kids who should be sophomores in HS shows how delusional and jealous you are.

Seriously. It's youth ball. Get over yourself.

At least two double holbacks on Crabs. I won't even get into massive amount of 2019ers in their line up. Complete joke.

Its youth ball - let's have it played by youths

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The fact that you are saying with a serious face that Crabs 2020 has kids who should be sophomores in HS shows how delusional and jealous you are.

Seriously. It's youth ball. Get over yourself.

They have a player turning 16 this spring who has a learners permit! Several other players who were legitimate 2019s and held back. Lots of summer birthdays on that team. Everyone knows it and yes, they should win because of a team loaded with older kids and it is expected. The problem most folks have is that you continue to deny the facts and claim to be winners. Do not think there is one jealous person as you state- rather lose a game than our integrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

There is no "normal". Everyone is special. Way too vague to enforce anything.

Normal would be the Maryland State Age for school entry which and what a reasonable person would expect when allowing their child to play - a deviation from that in the state of Maryland would be not normal for a Maryland based league. Law is generally based on what a reasonable person would expect and no reasonable person would expect a kid that is turning 16 this spring to be in 8th grade.

I hope this is an exaggeration. What parent really think their son should be in 8th gr as a 16 yr old? It must be fun to have friends that are 13-14! Talk about stunting your kid, academically, socially and emotionally- all in the name of a sport that barely pays out much scholarship wise. It's like a deal with the devil. Parents need to think like adults and not live through their kids. This nonsense has to stop- not for the game, but the well being of the kids!

Would be wrong to post the kid's name or initials. The other players in question are "just" one year held back. Just do what most others do now and laugh at how pathetic it is and let them collect their "wins" while their parents go crazy.

Crabs starting line up has how many kids that should be in HS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The fact that you are saying with a serious face that Crabs 2020 has kids who should be sophomores in HS shows how delusional and jealous you are.

Seriously. It's youth ball. Get over yourself.

Might be a stretch saying that should be sophomores..but it is the truth that many should be freshman in HS. Having a team of older kids constantly playing against teams of younger kids goes against everything youth athletics stands for...And just like you wrote " It's youth ball. Get over yourself" ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The fact that you are saying with a serious face that Crabs 2020 has kids who should be sophomores in HS shows how delusional and jealous you are.

Seriously. It's youth ball. Get over yourself.

No, it's elite club lacrosse and this group of 2020s will be looked at very closely over the next 2-3 years. You are gaming the system to make your kids look better than they would if they played on age. Anyone who say this is something different is lying to themselves or the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

There is no "normal". Everyone is special. Way too vague to enforce anything.

Normal would be the Maryland State Age for school entry which and what a reasonable person would expect when allowing their child to play - a deviation from that in the state of Maryland would be not normal for a Maryland based league. Law is generally based on what a reasonable person would expect and no reasonable person would expect a kid that is turning 16 this spring to be in 8th grade.

Howard County Recreation is a joke. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? Maybe a Department head has his kids in a MIAA school? Or he wants his kid to go there? No other reason as most holdbacks are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County.

Nothing will be done regarding "older" holdbacks like on Crabs 2020 team. The Howard County lacrosse conference commissioner, Derrick Thompson is gutless and will take no action to make this right, especially regarding Crabs 2020 team.
He has the ability to do the right thing before the season starts this Saturday but unfortunately nothing will be done.
Nice job Derrick Thompson, no ba*ls to do it right, maybe you are tight with Ryan McClernan, the king cheater/assho*e of the Crabs program/2020 team. Plus Crabs 2021 team is just as bad on older holdbacks.

I heard the Loonies FOGO is playing for his HS team. According to HOCO rules he is ineligible to play:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, varsity or club team should not be eligible for 8th grade/U15 competition in the same season.

FOGO only plays in summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The Crabs 2020 team could beat the Crabs 2019 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOGO only plays in summer.

Plus he is in the 8th grade, but playing on the varsity team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The HoCo league has a set of rules and those rules include player eligibility. If hold backs are not in violation of the phrase "assuming normal progression of school to graduation??" then what could this possibly mean?

Exact wording from the rules:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. "

There is no "normal". Everyone is special. Way too vague to enforce anything.

Normal would be the Maryland State Age for school entry which and what a reasonable person would expect when allowing their child to play - a deviation from that in the state of Maryland would be not normal for a Maryland based league. Law is generally based on what a reasonable person would expect and no reasonable person would expect a kid that is turning 16 this spring to be in 8th grade.

Howard County Recreation is a joke. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? Maybe a Department head has his kids in a MIAA school? Or he wants his kid to go there? No other reason as most holdbacks are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County.

Nothing will be done regarding "older" holdbacks like on Crabs 2020 team. The Howard County lacrosse conference commissioner, Derrick Thompson is gutless and will take no action to make this right, especially regarding Crabs 2020 team.
He has the ability to do the right thing before the season starts this Saturday but unfortunately nothing will be done.
Nice job Derrick Thompson, no ba*ls to do it right, maybe you are tight with Ryan McClernan, the king cheater/assho*e of the Crabs program/2020 team. Plus Crabs 2021 team is just as bad on older holdbacks.

Hey Derrick Thompson, where are you, we are all waiting to hear from you. We know you come on this forum, so speak up.
Oh, thats right, you are just chicken sh*t about doing the right think for the kids in the HOCO league. And to think, you are an employee of Howard County and are paid by Howard County.
What a waste of taxpayers money.

Tough guy. The solution is simple, Don't play in Hoco if you don't like the rules. Only problem is you are to chicken sh-t to do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tough guy. The solution is simple, Don't play in Hoco if you don't like the rules. Only problem is you are to chicken sh-t to do it.

Ok Crab dad, what it boils down to is you are way to chicken sh*t to admit you are part of a scumbag program.

And if you are not part of the Crabs crap, you are simply not smart enough to see what is going on and how this is ruining youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tough guy. The solution is simple, Don't play in Hoco if you don't like the rules. Only problem is you are to chicken sh-t to do it.

Derrick, is this you? If it is, you are not saying much.

any on age Freshmen make Varsity teams this year? Maybe Public but I doubt Private. if so, i'd like to get their input on playing against holdbacks.

Is this something new that kids are being held back in school?? I never heard of such a thing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tough guy. The solution is simple, Don't play in Hoco if you don't like the rules. Only problem is you are to chicken sh-t to do it.

Ok Crab dad, what it boils down to is you are way to chicken sh*t to admit you are part of a scumbag program.

And if you are not part of the Crabs crap, you are simply not smart enough to see what is going on and how this is ruining youth lacrosse.

Well thank God you are out there doing your part to save Lacrosse

Hey I am a Crabs DAD and I all for removing Holdbacks and going age based. Total mystery on how US Lacrosse is going to make every club team conform by Sept 2017... Should be interesting

[/quote] Well thank God you are out there doing your part to save Lacrosse [/quote]

people like you are ruining youth sports, stop living your life through your sons athletic achievements

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tough guy. The solution is simple, Don't play in Hoco if you don't like the rules. Only problem is you are to chicken sh-t to do it.

Ok Crab dad, what it boils down to is you are way to chicken sh*t to admit you are part of a scumbag program.

And if you are not part of the Crabs crap, you are simply not smart enough to see what is going on and how this is ruining youth lacrosse.

Well thank God you are out there doing your part to save Lacrosse

Instead of someone like you who has no clue and has their head stuck up their .....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The fact that you are saying with a serious face that Crabs 2020 has kids who should be sophomores in HS shows how delusional and jealous you are.

Seriously. It's youth ball. Get over yourself.

men playing youth ball, thats the delusion. We have kids that are 13 and wont turn 14 till July. And we are playing in this league. Against kids who hit puberty early, are big kids and are old kids. Its one thing when a kid is a late bloomer and he reclasses. Crabs has kids that were early bloomers, are big kids and now are 2 years older? sickening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The fact that you are saying with a serious face that Crabs 2020 has kids who should be sophomores in HS shows how delusional and jealous you are.

Seriously. It's youth ball. Get over yourself.

men playing youth ball, thats the delusion. We have kids that are 13 and wont turn 14 till July. And we are playing in this league. Against kids who hit puberty early, are big kids and are old kids. Its one thing when a kid is a late bloomer and he reclasses. Crabs has kids that were early bloomers, are big kids and now are 2 years older? sickening.

Keep crying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2018/19 team pretending to be a 2020 team should run the table.

The fact that you are saying with a serious face that Crabs 2020 has kids who should be sophomores in HS shows how delusional and jealous you are.

Seriously. It's youth ball. Get over yourself.

men playing youth ball, thats the delusion. We have kids that are 13 and wont turn 14 till July. And we are playing in this league. Against kids who hit puberty early, are big kids and are old kids. Its one thing when a kid is a late bloomer and he reclasses. Crabs has kids that were early bloomers, are big kids and now are 2 years older? sickening.

Keep crying.

Is that right Crab dad, keep crying? You are part of the cesspool Crabs organization and feel it is ok to have a crap load (10+) holdbacks on the Crabs 2020 team and feel proud about it?
You are just as much a part of the problem as the leader, Ryan McClernan, the top pos.
I hope your son at some point sees what kind or organization you have him in and what a low life stance you took for him to play youth lacrosse. At that point you can keep crying.

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Actually, I believe that the tournament organizers may play a bigger role in enforcing the age groups next year. They may enforce the younger ages and allow the older ages to be grade based BUT WHO KNOWS. Hogan and Beach lax only put in grade-based divisions last year, so just another change but next year will be ...? The HOCO league could also make a difference by announcing their guidelines during the summer. It is going to be interesting next year what clubs are going to do. I have a feeling that the clubs do not know themselves.

As far as crabs, the landscape of club lacrosse is different than a few years ago. There are a lot of clubs (about 40 clubs in 2020) to choose from, so the top players have a choice of where to play. Crabs has good younger teams but without the number of holdbacks, they do not dominate as they did in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If most club teams use US Lacrosse insurance, then US Lacrosse should be able to dictate terms. Follow the US Lacrosse guidelines for safety reasons or find other insurance. I wouldn't want to be another insurance company out of step with US Lacrosse age based safety recommendations. Seems like a field day for the lawyers. Regardless the recommendations are being phased in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, I believe that the tournament organizers may play a bigger role in enforcing the age groups next year. They may enforce the younger ages and allow the older ages to be grade based BUT WHO KNOWS. Hogan and Beach lax only put in grade-based divisions last year, so just another change but next year will be ...? The HOCO league could also make a difference by announcing their guidelines during the summer. It is going to be interesting next year what clubs are going to do. I have a feeling that the clubs do not know themselves.

As far as crabs, the landscape of club lacrosse is different than a few years ago. There are a lot of clubs (about 40 clubs in 2020) to choose from, so the top players have a choice of where to play. Crabs has good younger teams but without the number of holdbacks, they do not dominate as they did in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

Crabs never had younger teams in the past. They just started a 5th grade team when things went grade based. Prior to that they started with U13

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Exactly where has it been proven? Don't say WSYL. Taking kids off the existing team and leaving them with a partial team is different than if the tryouts were based on age and that's how the team was put together. When teams were age based, when exactly was it proven that Crabs couldn't field a strong team? Crabs will field a strong team regardless the rules. I think THAT is what has been proven several times.

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If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times. [/quote]

not true, they would still pull some of the better players in the area. they just wouldn't be the top team, Looney's and FCA Blue would be able to roll over them and probably Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Exactly where has it been proven? Don't say WSYL. Taking kids off the existing team and leaving them with a partial team is different than if the tryouts were based on age and that's how the team was put together. When teams were age based, when exactly was it proven that Crabs couldn't field a strong team? Crabs will field a strong team regardless the rules. I think THAT is what has been proven several times.

Sorry Crab dad, but you are completely wrong. Stop making excuses, Crabs without holdbacks are just average. And, there are lots of kids who are good, on elite teams that want nothing to do with Crabs. These kids talk, they don't want to be known as cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Exactly where has it been proven? Don't say WSYL. Taking kids off the existing team and leaving them with a partial team is different than if the tryouts were based on age and that's how the team was put together. When teams were age based, when exactly was it proven that Crabs couldn't field a strong team? Crabs will field a strong team regardless the rules. I think THAT is what has been proven several times.

Sorry Crab dad, but you are completely wrong. Stop making excuses, Crabs without holdbacks are just average. And, there are lots of kids who are good, on elite teams that want nothing to do with Crabs. These kids talk, they don't want to be known as cheaters.

Ok. You're right. Crabs was just a terrible program before the switch was made to grade based. What was your excuse for why your kid lost to Crabs when it was age based?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Exactly where has it been proven? Don't say WSYL. Taking kids off the existing team and leaving them with a partial team is different than if the tryouts were based on age and that's how the team was put together. When teams were age based, when exactly was it proven that Crabs couldn't field a strong team? Crabs will field a strong team regardless the rules. I think THAT is what has been proven several times.

Sorry Crab dad, but you are completely wrong. Stop making excuses, Crabs without holdbacks are just average. And, there are lots of kids who are good, on elite teams that want nothing to do with Crabs. These kids talk, they don't want to be known as cheaters.

Ok. You're right. Crabs was just a terrible program before the switch was made to grade based. What was your excuse for why your kid lost to Crabs when it was age based?

No excuse, because when it was age based, his team never lost to Crabs. Sorry to disappoint you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Exactly where has it been proven? Don't say WSYL. Taking kids off the existing team and leaving them with a partial team is different than if the tryouts were based on age and that's how the team was put together. When teams were age based, when exactly was it proven that Crabs couldn't field a strong team? Crabs will field a strong team regardless the rules. I think THAT is what has been proven several times.

Sorry Crab dad, but you are completely wrong. Stop making excuses, Crabs without holdbacks are just average. And, there are lots of kids who are good, on elite teams that want nothing to do with Crabs. These kids talk, they don't want to be known as cheaters.

Lets follow that logic on this, can we? You cant just say take the holdbacks off Crabs and they would be just average. If you took all the holdbacks off Crabs you should take the holdbacks off every team. And assuming you took the all holdbacks off every team the right thing to do would be to re-hold tryouts. So if we re-held tryouts then every elite club would have open roster spots. (BTW-- those awful holdbacks need to find something else to do anyway -- they are ruining the world) And if every elite club had open roster spots then the best non holdback kids would come flocking to Crabs tryouts. And if all the top non holdbacks came flocking to Crabs then Crabs would re-load (again). And if the Crabs reloaded again then all the angry dads would still be angry...so whats the point???

I think the problem is someone currently playing for Crabs thinks they know the history of club lacrosse just because Crabs has had some amazing teams. Yes, they have. So have other Clubs. Currently, the only Crab team they may be the best in Maryland is 2020 and that will be determined in the next 8 weeks. Besides that, Crabs has some really bad teams in the younger ages and some decent teams in high school ages but it's amusing how Crabs fans think they are the only game in town. Maryland is one of the strongest lacrosse states for a reason. There's good lacrosse players everywhere. Don't fool yourself that because a kid where's a Crabs Jersey then he's a stud. There are currently 4-5 kids on Crabs 2020 team that aren't standouts and wouldn't play at any of the other elite club teams. Keep it in perspective. Crabs is good but so are many other clubs. Integrity is the question being raised. Crabs lost theirs at Beach Lax. Can't have kids play 2019 one weekend and 2020 the next. That crossed the line and showed RMs true colors. Win at all costs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Exactly where has it been proven? Don't say WSYL. Taking kids off the existing team and leaving them with a partial team is different than if the tryouts were based on age and that's how the team was put together. When teams were age based, when exactly was it proven that Crabs couldn't field a strong team? Crabs will field a strong team regardless the rules. I think THAT is what has been proven several times.

Sorry Crab dad, but you are completely wrong. Stop making excuses, Crabs without holdbacks are just average. And, there are lots of kids who are good, on elite teams that want nothing to do with Crabs. These kids talk, they don't want to be known as cheaters.

Lets follow that logic on this, can we? You cant just say take the holdbacks off Crabs and they would be just average. If you took all the holdbacks off Crabs you should take the holdbacks off every team. And assuming you took the all holdbacks off every team the right thing to do would be to re-hold tryouts. So if we re-held tryouts then every elite club would have open roster spots. (BTW-- those awful holdbacks need to find something else to do anyway -- they are ruining the world) And if every elite club had open roster spots then the best non holdback kids would come flocking to Crabs tryouts. And if all the top non holdbacks came flocking to Crabs then Crabs would re-load (again). And if the Crabs reloaded again then all the angry dads would still be angry...so whats the point???

The point is that kids would be playing against kids their own age. Duh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be nice to see the chickens come home to roost when the switch to age based teams happens. The scourge of reclassifying has really damaged youth lacrosse. Sad.

You do realize that the on age kids will just come back to crabs if this does happen.

Though judging by the Crabs tryouts information on their site for next year, they are not switching to age based so I doubt anyone else is either.

If it does go to age base lacrosse, Crabs will then have just average teams, nothing special. They can't field a strong team without holdbacks, that has been proven several times.

Exactly where has it been proven? Don't say WSYL. Taking kids off the existing team and leaving them with a partial team is different than if the tryouts were based on age and that's how the team was put together. When teams were age based, when exactly was it proven that Crabs couldn't field a strong team? Crabs will field a strong team regardless the rules. I think THAT is what has been proven several times.

Sorry Crab dad, but you are completely wrong. Stop making excuses, Crabs without holdbacks are just average. And, there are lots of kids who are good, on elite teams that want nothing to do with Crabs. These kids talk, they don't want to be known as cheaters.

Lets follow that logic on this, can we? You cant just say take the holdbacks off Crabs and they would be just average. If you took all the holdbacks off Crabs you should take the holdbacks off every team. And assuming you took the all holdbacks off every team the right thing to do would be to re-hold tryouts. So if we re-held tryouts then every elite club would have open roster spots. (BTW-- those awful holdbacks need to find something else to do anyway -- they are ruining the world) And if every elite club had open roster spots then the best non holdback kids would come flocking to Crabs tryouts. And if all the top non holdbacks came flocking to Crabs then Crabs would re-load (again). And if the Crabs reloaded again then all the angry dads would still be angry...so whats the point???

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks.
And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks.
And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

What Crab Dad is missing..The landscape has changed in the last few years. Yes the Crabs as recently a few years ago had some outstanding U13 and U15 teams. That is the only youth teams the Crabs fielded. RM has now gone so far with this disgusting holdback issue it has effected how people look at Crabs. That has happened in last two to three years.
If Crabs went back to age base..Many parents would not go out for them as in the past. Many think the Crab Org is POS now .There is way to many teams out there now. In the past, it was limited if you were a great player...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks.
And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

What Crab Dad is missing..The landscape has changed in the last few years. Yes the Crabs as recently a few years ago had some outstanding U13 and U15 teams. That is the only youth teams the Crabs fielded. RM has now gone so far with this disgusting holdback issue it has effected how people look at Crabs. That has happened in last two to three years.
If Crabs went back to age base..Many parents would not go out for them as in the past. Many think the Crab Org is POS now .There is way to many teams out there now. In the past, it was limited if you were a great player...

We can sit here and speculate (hope) what may or may not happen when/if things go back to age base. My opinion is Crabs will still be strong and attractive to kids and parents because of their strong track record of sending players to D1 programs. You can't dispute this history. Therefore, love em or hate em they are a logical club to play for if you can make he team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks.
And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

What Crab Dad is missing..The landscape has changed in the last few years. Yes the Crabs as recently a few years ago had some outstanding U13 and U15 teams. That is the only youth teams the Crabs fielded. RM has now gone so far with this disgusting holdback issue it has effected how people look at Crabs. That has happened in last two to three years.
If Crabs went back to age base..Many parents would not go out for them as in the past. Many think the Crab Org is POS now .There is way to many teams out there now. In the past, it was limited if you were a great player...

Then how do you explain the fact that there were 200 kids at tryouts for 2020? Probably around 125 for 2021. About 80 for 2022. Saw a lot of helmets of other clubs there. By your theory, all these kids were holdbacks since non-holdback kids won't try out for them now. You're kidding yourself if you really think the majority of people are disgusted with Crabs as you are. Most kids could care less and would still love to play for them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks.
And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

What Crab Dad is missing..The landscape has changed in the last few years. Yes the Crabs as recently a few years ago had some outstanding U13 and U15 teams. That is the only youth teams the Crabs fielded. RM has now gone so far with this disgusting holdback issue it has effected how people look at Crabs. That has happened in last two to three years.
If Crabs went back to age base..Many parents would not go out for them as in the past. Many think the Crab Org is POS now .There is way to many teams out there now. In the past, it was limited if you were a great player...

Then how do you explain the fact that there were 200 kids at tryouts for 2020? Probably around 125 for 2021. About 80 for 2022. Saw a lot of helmets of other clubs there. By your theory, all these kids were holdbacks since non-holdback kids won't try out for them now. You're kidding yourself if you really think the majority of people are disgusted with Crabs as you are. Most kids could care less and would still love to play for them

So you are telling me that out of 200 2020 kids they couldn't find 22-24 great players born the right age? Are you telling me that 10 plus 2019 aged kids trained by the Crabs weren't good enough for their own 2019 team and had to be put on 2020? Clearly something isn't right with the Crabs. If they are this amazing club, their players shouldn't need to be older, they should be able to field great on aged teams. This would go for any of the other clubs with more than the 1-2 kids that start school late- which I don't agree with either. It just makes me really question with all that supposed talent showing up why so many kids don't make their own teams and why they have to play younger and on top- why the Crabs can't find enough kids on age to make a talented team. Something must be off- no?

There should be a topic dedicated to the holdback conversation. Then you could go to that thread to b**** about it. Every thread in the Maryland forum seems to devolve into the holdback argument. I'm not a Crab dad, my kid plays for one of the irrelevant VA teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There should be a topic dedicated to the holdback conversation. Then you could go to that thread to b**** about it. Every thread in the Maryland forum seems to devolve into the holdback argument. I'm not a Crab dad, my kid plays for one of the irrelevant VA teams.

Totally agree....it is what it is. Everyone knows what the Crabs do and they are tainted for it. Time to move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There should be a topic dedicated to the holdback conversation. Then you could go to that thread to b**** about it. Every thread in the Maryland forum seems to devolve into the holdback argument. I'm not a Crab dad, my kid plays for one of the irrelevant VA teams.

There is a forum already - it is called the Crabs forum. We can all agree to move the holdback conversation there so we can discuss what matters in the other forums. Crabs do not matter. We know what they are. They know what they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks.
And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

What Crab Dad is missing..The landscape has changed in the last few years. Yes the Crabs as recently a few years ago had some outstanding U13 and U15 teams. That is the only youth teams the Crabs fielded. RM has now gone so far with this disgusting holdback issue it has effected how people look at Crabs. That has happened in last two to three years.
If Crabs went back to age base..Many parents would not go out for them as in the past. Many think the Crab Org is POS now .There is way to many teams out there now. In the past, it was limited if you were a great player...

Then how do you explain the fact that there were 200 kids at tryouts for 2020? Probably around 125 for 2021. About 80 for 2022. Saw a lot of helmets of other clubs there. By your theory, all these kids were holdbacks since non-holdback kids won't try out for them now. You're kidding yourself if you really think the majority of people are disgusted with Crabs as you are. Most kids could care less and would still love to play for them

So you are telling me that out of 200 2020 kids they couldn't find 22-24 great players born the right age? Are you telling me that 10 plus 2019 aged kids trained by the Crabs weren't good enough for their own 2019 team and had to be put on 2020? Clearly something isn't right with the Crabs. If they are this amazing club, their players shouldn't need to be older, they should be able to field great on aged teams. This would go for any of the other clubs with more than the 1-2 kids that start school late- which I don't agree with either. It just makes me really question with all that supposed talent showing up why so many kids don't make their own teams and why they have to play younger and on top- why the Crabs can't find enough kids on age to make a talented team. Something must be off- no?

Of course they could pick the 23 best on age kids and have a good team. That's kind of a stupid theory. The teams right now are grade based, so if the older kids are better, why are they keeping younger kids? When/If the rules change to age, they will keep the best 23 on age kids and still be good.

Other parents don't want to admit it, but for the most part, Crabs gets their pick of kids and the rest funnel down to the others. There are kids that stay loyal to their current teams, but I can tell you that there are a lot of helmets of other clubs at crabs tryouts. Someone will say that there are Crabs helmets at other clubs tryouts also which is true. But those kids are there as an insurance if they lose their spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks. And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

What Crab Dad is missing..The landscape has changed in the last few years. Yes the Crabs as recently a few years ago had some outstanding U13 and U15 teams. That is the only youth teams the Crabs fielded. RM has now gone so far with this disgusting holdback issue it has effected how people look at Crabs. That has happened in last two to three years.
If Crabs went back to age base..Many parents would not go out for them as in the past. Many think the Crab Org is POS now .There is way to many teams out there now. In the past, it was limited if you were a great player...

Then how do you explain the fact that there were 200 kids at tryouts for 2020? Probably around 125 for 2021. About 80 for 2022. Saw a lot of helmets of other clubs there. By your theory, all these kids were holdbacks since non-holdback kids won't try out for them now. You're kidding yourself if you really think the majority of people are disgusted with Crabs as you are. Most kids could care less and would still love to play for them

So you are telling me that out of 200 2020 kids they couldn't find 22-24 great players born the right age? Are you telling me that 10 plus 2019 aged kids trained by the Crabs weren't good enough for their own 2019 team and had to be put on 2020? Clearly something isn't right with the Crabs. If they are this amazing club, their players shouldn't need to be older, they should be able to field great on aged teams. This would go for any of the other clubs with more than the 1-2 kids that start school late- which I don't agree with either. It just makes me really question with all that supposed talent showing up why so many kids don't make their own teams and why they have to play younger and on top- why the Crabs can't find enough kids on age to make a talented team. Something must be off- no?

Of course they could pick the 23 best on age kids and have a good team. That's kind of a stupid theory. The teams right now are grade based, so if the older kids are better, why are they keeping younger kids? When/If the rules change to age, they will keep the best 23 on age kids and still be good.

Other parents don't want to admit it, but for the most part, Crabs gets their pick of kids and the rest funnel down to the others. There are kids that stay loyal to their current teams, but I can tell you that there are a lot of helmets of other clubs at crabs tryouts. Someone will say that there are Crabs helmets at other clubs tryouts also which is true. But those kids are there as an insurance if they lose their spot.

Don't buy it. Why are the older kids not playing on their own teams then? Why are they allowing their kids to repeat grades?Why the trickle down affect if the kids are so good. Why are so many playing down and asked to repeat a grade? If YOU CAN play with your peers and you are so GREAT, then why repeat? There is absolutely NO reason to do so. It is grade based and if the kids are so good in each grade there is no reason to play down. If you have 200 kids that are trying out, you cannot tell me that you need kids to repeat a whole year of school ,transfer to another school, leave friends, etc., but they are so good. Talent does not play down. Kids play down because it brings the club money in the form of wins because they play teams with younger kids. Period. We all know that if you could be number 1 with on aged kids, you would not bring older kids in to play. Not a stupid theory at all.

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Well done Hawks! Close games in the 2020 elite bracket today. FCA won 8-7 over 91 Force in last minutes of game. Crabs/Next Level game report? Should be an exciting few weeks and could not ask for a better experience for all the boys with games this tight. Will be any team any week with this lineup.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Wow...nice job Hawks!

Hoco

Fca 8/ Team 91 force 7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Crabs defeated Next Level 10/1. All the other elite 2020 games today were close, one point margin. Except for Crabs, who with their 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks just pile it on.

This is what Ryan McClernan wants, have an older/bigger team so he can dominate others, making him and his team look like they are great. Wonder what his team would look like without the holdbacks and replaced with age appropriate players. I would bet a much different outcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

It is clearer and clearer that those involved with this sport including RM, the private schools and leagues like HOCO are not in it for the kids but purely for the $$$. None of them care about the kids. None. Wonder if the Crabs players with their learner permits and the FCA defenseman with his learners all drove their parent to the games. They are all close to 16. Pathetic.

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is most non holdback kids would not try out for Crabs. They are happy with their elite team, and want nothing to do with Crabs, Crabs reputation is well known.
Plus, if all the elite 2020 teams for example, had to move out their holdbacks, most elite teams would lose about 3 to 4 holdbacks while Crabs 2020 would loose 10 holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks. And to your point about dads being angry, you are way off point. In todays youth lacrosse world Crabs is not respected and many if not most parents would not want their sons to be associated with Crabs. Plus, as previously mentioned, kids talk, they know what Crabs is about and want nothing to do with them.
You are just too hung up on the misguided thought that Crabs is the best and greatest, with and without holdbacks but the truth of the matter is that without holdbacks Crabs is average at best and would remain average after their tryouts to replace their boatload of holdbacks.

What Crab Dad is missing..The landscape has changed in the last few years. Yes the Crabs as recently a few years ago had some outstanding U13 and U15 teams. That is the only youth teams the Crabs fielded. RM has now gone so far with this disgusting holdback issue it has effected how people look at Crabs. That has happened in last two to three years.
If Crabs went back to age base..Many parents would not go out for them as in the past. Many think the Crab Org is POS now .There is way to many teams out there now. In the past, it was limited if you were a great player...

Then how do you explain the fact that there were 200 kids at tryouts for 2020? Probably around 125 for 2021. About 80 for 2022. Saw a lot of helmets of other clubs there. By your theory, all these kids were holdbacks since non-holdback kids won't try out for them now. You're kidding yourself if you really think the majority of people are disgusted with Crabs as you are. Most kids could care less and would still love to play for them

So you are telling me that out of 200 2020 kids they couldn't find 22-24 great players born the right age? Are you telling me that 10 plus 2019 aged kids trained by the Crabs weren't good enough for their own 2019 team and had to be put on 2020? Clearly something isn't right with the Crabs. If they are this amazing club, their players shouldn't need to be older, they should be able to field great on aged teams. This would go for any of the other clubs with more than the 1-2 kids that start school late- which I don't agree with either. It just makes me really question with all that supposed talent showing up why so many kids don't make their own teams and why they have to play younger and on top- why the Crabs can't find enough kids on age to make a talented team. Something must be off- no?

Of course they could pick the 23 best on age kids and have a good team. That's kind of a stupid theory. The teams right now are grade based, so if the older kids are better, why are they keeping younger kids? When/If the rules change to age, they will keep the best 23 on age kids and still be good.

Other parents don't want to admit it, but for the most part, Crabs gets their pick of kids and the rest funnel down to the others. There are kids that stay loyal to their current teams, but I can tell you that there are a lot of helmets of other clubs at crabs tryouts. Someone will say that there are Crabs helmets at other clubs tryouts also which is true. But those kids are there as an insurance if they lose their spot.

Don't buy it. Why are the older kids not playing on their own teams then? Why are they allowing their kids to repeat grades?Why the trickle down affect if the kids are so good. Why are so many playing down and asked to repeat a grade? If YOU CAN play with your peers and you are so GREAT, then why repeat? There is absolutely NO reason to do so. It is grade based and if the kids are so good in each grade there is no reason to play down. If you have 200 kids that are trying out, you cannot tell me that you need kids to repeat a whole year of school ,transfer to another school, leave friends, etc., but they are so good. Talent does not play down. Kids play down because it brings the club money in the form of wins because they play teams with younger kids. Period. We all know that if you could be number 1 with on aged kids, you would not bring older kids in to play. Not a stupid theory at all.

Kids repeat grades because their parents want them to, not because the club does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Crabs defeated Next Level 10/1. All the other elite 2020 games today were close, one point margin. Except for Crabs, who with their 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks just pile it on.

This is what Ryan McClernan wants, have an older/bigger team so he can dominate others, making him and his team look like they are great. Wonder what his team would look like without the holdbacks and replaced with age appropriate players. I would bet a much different outcome.

That's funny that you think 10-1 is piling on. It could have been much worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Crabs were sloppy in the first quarter. They were only up 2-0. The other elite teams were all close because they were playing teams of a similar caliber. Crabs will not have the same success with any of the other elite teams. They will see there fair share of close wins, but will not see another spread like today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

. You either just don't get it or you are a Crab dad and trying to defend Crabs "gaming" the system. Yes, gaming the system. True, it is grade base but the intent was not to have a team of holdbacks and even 2 double holdbacks. As soon as it went to grade base Ryan M figured a way to create a team of mostly holdbacks, like his 2020 team. This not the spirit of grade base lacrosse. They are in the 8th grade, but most are 15 and a few close to 16. You need to go thru these forums and see what Crabs is like, what people thing of them and how they operate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Crabs defeated Next Level 10/1. All the other elite 2020 games today were close, one point margin. Except for Crabs, who with their 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks just pile it on.

This is what Ryan McClernan wants, have an older/bigger team so he can dominate others, making him and his team look like they are great. Wonder what his team would look like without the holdbacks and replaced with age appropriate players. I would bet a much different outcome.

That's funny that you think 10-1 is piling on. It could have been much worse.

. Ok Crab dad. Ryan M never lets up, never. I have watched him for 5+ years and he will run up the score as much as he can. This is what you can do when you have an 8th grade team of 15 and 16 year old holdbacks. Ok, now your turn to try and deny this and push back. No one will believe you, we all know how Crabs operates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Crabs were sloppy in the first quarter. They were only up 2-0. The other elite teams were all close because they were playing teams of a similar caliber. Crabs will not have the same success with any of the other elite teams. They will see there fair share of close wins, but will not see another spread like today.

It was obvious Next Level was playing to try and keep the score as close as possible. They were stalling in the second half while down by 8 goals. Strange.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Crabs were sloppy in the first quarter. They were only up 2-0. The other elite teams were all close because they were playing teams of a similar caliber. Crabs will not have the same success with any of the other elite teams. They will see there fair share of close wins, but will not see another spread like today.

. To the poster who posted the same thing 9 times, you are clearly a Crab dad. Crabs is way older than every other elite 2020 team. You know 10 or so holdbacks. Crabs looked just as sloppy as some of the others the entire game, they never really got it all together. It's just the are much older/bigger than Next Level. They are going to get beat this spring in the HOCO league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

. You either just don't get it or you are a Crab dad and trying to defend Crabs "gaming" the system. Yes, gaming the system. True, it is grade base but the intent was not to have a team of holdbacks and even 2 double holdbacks. As soon as it went to grade base Ryan M figured a way to create a team of mostly holdbacks, like his 2020 team. This not the spirit of grade base lacrosse. They are in the 8th grade, but most are 15 and a few close to 16. You need to go thru these forums and see what Crabs is like, what people thing of them and how they operate.

That's just a Crabs parent repeating the party line..."what...who...us? We didn't break any rules." Nobody's buying it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Of course they put the hours in...most of them have been playing 1-2 extra years!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

. You either just don't get it or you are a Crab dad and trying to defend Crabs "gaming" the system. Yes, gaming the system. True, it is grade base but the intent was not to have a team of holdbacks and even 2 double holdbacks. As soon as it went to grade base Ryan M figured a way to create a team of mostly holdbacks, like his 2020 team. This not the spirit of grade base lacrosse. They are in the 8th grade, but most are 15 and a few close to 16. You need to go thru these forums and see what Crabs is like, what people thing of them and how they operate.

It's the same 2 cry baby dads whining incessantly about Crabs on here. Most people don't care as our kids all played in 2 year age spreads through most of their youth. Most of the kids are not 15 years old on the 2020 team. That's just not a true statement. Most are 14.

Hawks and Loonies don't have the speed and athleticism vs. and entire Crabs team of holdbacks. Most are 14 turning 15 soon and some 15 who are turning 16. 16 as a freshman? Hilarious. What a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

. You either just don't get it or you are a Crab dad and trying to defend Crabs "gaming" the system. Yes, gaming the system. True, it is grade base but the intent was not to have a team of holdbacks and even 2 double holdbacks. As soon as it went to grade base Ryan M figured a way to create a team of mostly holdbacks, like his 2020 team. This not the spirit of grade base lacrosse. They are in the 8th grade, but most are 15 and a few close to 16. You need to go thru these forums and see what Crabs is like, what people thing of them and how they operate.

It's the same 2 cry baby dads whining incessantly about Crabs on here. Most people don't care as our kids all played in 2 year age spreads through most of their youth. Most of the kids are not 15 years old on the 2020 team. That's just not a true statement. Most are 14.

You almost had us wanting to read your whole paragraph and then your last line...but you are right. If only 10 of your 24 players belong in the 9th grade, than the other 14 are the small majority. Pathetic either way you look at it. Now let's average in the two double hold backs and that makes the equation more pathetic. Keep trying to deflect, We ALL know what Crabs is about and it is even more sad you brag about beating teams 1-2 years younger. SMH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Crabs were sloppy in the first quarter. They were only up 2-0. The other elite teams were all close because they were playing teams of a similar caliber. Crabs will not have the same success with any of the other elite teams. They will see there fair share of close wins, but will not see another spread like today.

. To the poster who posted the same thing 9 times, you are clearly a Crab dad. Crabs is way older than every other elite 2020 team. You know 10 or so holdbacks. Crabs looked just as sloppy as some of the others the entire game, they never really got it all together. It's just the are much older/bigger than Next Level. They are going to get beat this spring in the HOCO league.

Well maybe it is because the other teams are all real 13 & 14 year olds boys doing what that age group does - drops balls at times. Same thing could be said about the dropped balls in college play. The point is the other teams are the right age and compete against teams their own age. Just like a varsity team of similari caliber players would be expected to look better than the jv. The jv may be great for their age but the varsity has more physical maturation and playing time. Any idiot can figure that out and you just furthered the points the non holdback parents and teams are making. Ask your HOCO management buddy who Held their own child back for your championship trophy now and then leave and let the rest of the teams move on and play with teams their own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Crabs were sloppy in the first quarter. They were only up 2-0. The other elite teams were all close because they were playing teams of a similar caliber. Crabs will not have the same success with any of the other elite teams. They will see there fair share of close wins, but will not see another spread like today.

Next Level does not belong in elite, no question. Crabs completely dominated the game on every turn. I don't see any of the teams in that league putting up much of a fight against them this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

I say you all boycott the league next year. Why let one team do whatever they want, even if their players are in the right grade? Make them change the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

I say you all boycott the league next year. Why let one team do whatever they want, even if their players are in the right grade? Make them change the rules.

They can't boycott the league because all their teams have holdbacks too. They just don't have as many which gets their panties in a bunch. Apparently it's ok to have 2,3 or 4 holdbacks. That's not "gaming the system". It's only cheating if you have 10 or more. The line of demarcation had been set and the Crabs are thumbing their noses at the agreed upon 4 holdback max rule. Cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

I say you all boycott the league next year. Why let one team do whatever they want, even if their players are in the right grade? Make them change the rules.

They can't boycott the league because all their teams have holdbacks too. They just don't have as many which gets their panties in a bunch. Apparently it's ok to have 2,3 or 4 holdbacks. That's not "gaming the system". It's only cheating if you have 10 or more. The line of demarcation had been set and the Crabs are thumbing their noses at the agreed upon 4 holdback max rule. Cheaters.

Let's be clear...cheating is bringing down 4 2019's in a tournament who's rules state -

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

- and then sending them back to 2019 the next week. That is cheating and the Crabs own that label exclusively and forever.

As far as holdbacks, yes, other teams do have summer birthdays, kids who would be the youngest in their group if they had started school earlier. Crabs have kids who would still be among the oldest in their group even at 2019. Show of hands - how many Crabs 2020s have their learners permits? There's a few

Most of these teams do not have multiple kids who have repeated 7th or 8th grade (or both) and I have not seen another team that pursues, promotes, and encourages holdbacks as a strategy.

The Crabs have just taken it way too far. It's kind of like cosmetic surgery, a little makes you look better, too much makes you look weird, comical...and sad.

Denver, never forget!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO

Loonies 11/Hawks 10 final

Anyone know the score of Crabs/Next Level game? It was 2-0 Crabs in the first 5 minutes. then I left.
Got a chance to see the Crabs players up close prior to game, without their helmets on. It is quickly very obvious many and I mean many of Crabs players are much older than 13/14. They are 15 and a few close to 16.
Absolutely obnoxious the crap Ryan McClernan pulls and just out and out violates the grade base system. He should be banned from youth lacrosse simply for his lack of ethics.
He is a total POS and I am surprised that schools like St Paul's, Loyola and even Boys Latin want to have any connection to him. Why be associated with a cheat.

Exactly how is he "gaming" the system? The league is grade based. Those kids are in 8th grade. Where should they be playing?

I say you all boycott the league next year. Why let one team do whatever they want, even if their players are in the right grade? Make them change the rules.

They can't boycott the league because all their teams have holdbacks too. They just don't have as many which gets their panties in a bunch. Apparently it's ok to have 2,3 or 4 holdbacks. That's not "gaming the system". It's only cheating if you have 10 or more. The line of demarcation had been set and the Crabs are thumbing their noses at the agreed upon 4 holdback max rule. Cheaters.

Not every team has 3-4 holdbacks so stop trying to make excuses. Most parents would be okay w going aged based. Crabs would not.

Age based coming in 2017. Gig is up for fat crab daddy

Aren't all these these boys going to be playing older and bigger boys once they enter high school next year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Crabs were sloppy in the first quarter. They were only up 2-0. The other elite teams were all close because they were playing teams of a similar caliber. Crabs will not have the same success with any of the other elite teams. They will see there fair share of close wins, but will not see another spread like today.

. To the poster who posted the same thing 9 times, you are clearly a Crab dad. Crabs is way older than every other elite 2020 team. You know 10 or so holdbacks. Crabs looked just as sloppy as some of the others the entire game, they never really got it all together. It's just the are much older/bigger than Next Level. They are going to get beat this spring in the HOCO league.

Well maybe it is because the other teams are all real 13 & 14 year olds boys doing what that age group does - drops balls at times. Same thing could be said about the dropped balls in college play. The point is the other teams are the right age and compete against teams their own age. Just like a varsity team of similari caliber players would be expected to look better than the jv. The jv may be great for their age but the varsity has more physical maturation and playing time. Any idiot can figure that out and you just furthered the points the non holdback parents and teams are making. Ask your HOCO management buddy who Held their own child back for your championship trophy now and then leave and let the rest of the teams move on and play with teams their own age.

Who was the HOCO management buddy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Aren't all these these boys going to be playing older and bigger boys once they enter high school next year?

Classic Crab counter argument, as if they are doing us a favor...

1. Much bigger difference between 13 and 15 than 16 and 18 (or 19 if you are a holdback)

2. Presumably, all teams will have a similar mix of 14-18 year olds, which does level the playing field somewhat.

A level playing field is all people want, not part of the Crabs makeup though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age based coming in 2017. Gig is up for fat crab daddy

Bring on age based. We will still dominate.

These dads who keep crying about holdbacks need to get a life. If this league (or any league or tournament) goes age based, Crabs will be fine. They dominated the NPYLL before it went grade based, so they will be fine no matter what.

It's funny how it's the same 2 guys over and over. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age based coming in 2017. Gig is up for fat crab daddy

Bring on age based. We will still dominate.

Sorry Crab dad, you are dreaming again. Without holdbacks, Crabs will be just an average team at best. Ryan M has no idea how to create good/strong teams without holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age based coming in 2017. Gig is up for fat crab daddy

Bring on age based. We will still dominate.

Sorry Crab dad, you are dreaming again. Without holdbacks, Crabs will be just an average team at best. Ryan M has no idea how to create good/strong teams without holdbacks.

Bring it on. You might want to start working on how you will accuse Crabs of cheating in an age based system. Probably something ridiculous like Crabs poached a bunch of kids from other teams and that's so unethical, blah, blah, blah...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These dads who keep crying about holdbacks need to get a life. If this league (or any league or tournament) goes age based, Crabs will be fine. They dominated the NPYLL before it went grade based, so they will be fine no matter what.

It's funny how it's the same 2 guys over and over. Get a life.

To tell you the truth I think it is more than 2 guys as you suggested. There are more than 2 who do not like Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age based coming in 2017. Gig is up for fat crab daddy

Bring on age based. We will still dominate.

You barely get by Looneys with your holdbacks, you tied Hawks and breakers (team 91 md) with your holdbacks last summer and you lost Big Time to Crush without holdbacks You would be just another good team competing with on age players the way real talent does. Nothing special now and nothing special without the holdbacks. Agree with poster above, get your buddy at HoCO with the holdback that supports you to just give you a trophy, you can update your website that you are champions and leave. When you win it means nothing and we all just laugh at you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sloppy play by all teams except Crabs. You can tell they put the hours in. They will win 2020 easy if other teams play like they did today. FCA and team 91 gave ball up 10 times each with easy missed passes and bad clears. Loonies and Hawks don't seem to have the speed and athleticism.

Crabs were sloppy in the first quarter. They were only up 2-0. The other elite teams were all close because they were playing teams of a similar caliber. Crabs will not have the same success with any of the other elite teams. They will see there fair share of close wins, but will not see another spread like today.

. To the poster who posted the same thing 9 times, you are clearly a Crab dad. Crabs is way older than every other elite 2020 team. You know 10 or so holdbacks. Crabs looked just as sloppy as some of the others the entire game, they never really got it all together. It's just the are much older/bigger than Next Level. They are going to get beat this spring in the HOCO league.

Well maybe it is because the other teams are all real 13 & 14 year olds boys doing what that age group does - drops balls at times. Same thing could be said about the dropped balls in college play. The point is the other teams are the right age and compete against teams their own age. Just like a varsity team of similari caliber players would be expected to look better than the jv. The jv may be great for their age but the varsity has more physical maturation and playing time. Any idiot can figure that out and you just furthered the points the non holdback parents and teams are making. Ask your HOCO management buddy who Held their own child back for your championship trophy now and then leave and let the rest of the teams move on and play with teams their own age.

Who was the HOCO management buddy?

*is not was. Do your research - look up names, private school attended and years playing/played on a club team. Common knowledge and why all knew the holdbacks would never be discouragd by the County. The whole landscape is political and corrupt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age based coming in 2017. Gig is up for fat crab daddy

Bring on age based. We will still dominate.

Sorry Crab dad, you are dreaming again. Without holdbacks, Crabs will be just an average team at best. Ryan M has no idea how to create good/strong teams without holdbacks.

You're right. Crabs went grade based two years ago. They were just a horrible club prior to the switch.

Crabs dominate without holdbacks. LOL. They barely hold their own WITH holdbacks. Try again.

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

As long as HOCO has the management employee involved with the league, never. This person is too tight with the Crabs organization. It is well known and someone needs to call this person out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

As long as HOCO has the management employee involved with the league, never. This person is too tight with the Crabs organization. It is well known and someone needs to call this person out.

How are you tying the grade based segmentation of the league to Crabs? It has been grade since the start and no Crabs teams were part of the league. RM was running a competing league until it fell apart this yr.

Pretty soon we are going to be discussing a possible second shooter near the grassy knoll.....please get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

As long as HOCO has the management employee involved with the league, never. This person is too tight with the Crabs organization. It is well known and someone needs to call this person out.

How are you tying the grade based segmentation of the league to Crabs? It has been grade since the start and no Crabs teams were part of the league. RM was running a competing league until it fell apart this yr.

No. Crabs was involved in HOCO first year, then they formed NPYLL, which as you said folded this year and Crabs is back to HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty soon we are going to be discussing a possible second shooter near the grassy knoll.....please get a life.

Good grief, is that the best you have??? You need to do two things, get your facts straight and you really need to get a life as is seems the one you have now is weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

As long as HOCO has the management employee involved with the league, never. This person is too tight with the Crabs organization. It is well known and someone needs to call this person out.

How are you tying the grade based segmentation of the league to Crabs? It has been grade since the start and no Crabs teams were part of the league. RM was running a competing league until it fell apart this yr.

No. Crabs was involved in HOCO first year, then they formed NPYLL, which as you said folded this year and Crabs is back to HOCO.

Not sure when NYPLL started but it was surely around in 2010 as my oldest played in it as U11. My other one played in the 1st season of Hoco (2013) as a 5th grade 2020 and there were no Crabs as they had only u13 and u15 playing in NYPLL. The next year 2014 they started 2020 & 2021 teams which did play hoco. Last year NYPLL was grade so all Crabs were in NYPLL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

As long as HOCO has the management employee involved with the league, never. This person is too tight with the Crabs organization. It is well known and someone needs to call this person out.

How are you tying the grade based segmentation of the league to Crabs? It has been grade since the start and no Crabs teams were part of the league. RM was running a competing league until it fell apart this yr.

There was a Crabs team in the league the first year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

As long as HOCO has the management employee involved with the league, never. This person is too tight with the Crabs organization. It is well known and someone needs to call this person out.

How are you tying the grade based segmentation of the league to Crabs? It has been grade since the start and no Crabs teams were part of the league. RM was running a competing league until it fell apart this yr.

No. Crabs was involved in HOCO first year, then they formed NPYLL, which as you said folded this year and Crabs is back to HOCO.

Not sure when NYPLL started but it was surely around in 2010 as my oldest played in it as U11. My other one played in the 1st season of Hoco (2013) as a 5th grade 2020 and there were no Crabs as they had only u13 and u15 playing in NYPLL. The next year 2014 they started 2020 & 2021 teams which did play hoco. Last year NYPLL was grade so all Crabs were in NYPLL

I'm not sure either when NYPLL started but I believe you are correct, Crabs 2020 played in HOCO league, and I also think it was 2014.

Please post HOCO 2020 Elite scores if you know them.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 v Sons
FCA v Next Level
Hawks v Sons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post HOCO 2020 Elite scores if you know them.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 v Sons
FCA v Next Level
Hawks v Sons

Did looneys bring in the fogo from Florida?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post HOCO 2020 Elite scores if you know them.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 v Sons
FCA v Next Level
Hawks v Sons

Did looneys bring in the fogo from Florida?

No

Crabs 2020 lost to Rough Riders in semis during 6th grade HOCO season. Loonies won HOCO 6th grade, FCA won 7th grade, and Crabs should win easy this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post HOCO 2020 Elite scores if you know them.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 v Sons
FCA v Next Level
Hawks v Sons

Did looneys bring in the fogo from Florida?

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 8 v Sons 7 in triple OT
FCA v Next Level (play at 6pm)
Hawks v Sons.

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

No Florida fogo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please post HOCO 2020 Elite scores if you know them.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 v Sons
FCA v Next Level
Hawks v Sons

Did looneys bring in the fogo from Florida?

Sons Beat 91 MD 9-8 triple OT

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 8 v Sons 7 in triple OT
FCA v Next Level (play at 6pm)
Hawks v Sons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

Triple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

Sons won in triple OT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

. Mother of a 91 player said Sons won 8/7 in triple overtime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

Triple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

Triple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

Rising Sons beat Team Ninety-One MD 8-7 in triple overtime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

Sons had just played a triple OT game against 91 with an hour in between. They may have been a bit wiped and Hawks was fresh - 91 had beaten Hawks a few weeks ago further showing this bracket could be any team's game any week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Please post HOCO 2020 Elite scores if you know them.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 v Sons
FCA v Next Level
Hawks v Sons

Did looneys bring in the fogo from Florida?

Sons Beat 91 MD 9-8 triple OT

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 8 v Sons 7 in triple OT
FCA v Next Level (play at 6pm)
Hawks v Sons.

FCA 11 next level 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

Sons had just played a triple OT game against 91 with an hour in between. They may have been a bit wiped and Hawks was fresh - 91 had beaten Hawks a few weeks ago further showing this bracket could be any team's game any week.

Hawks did not play Sons a few weeks ago or any time this year before today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

Sons had just played a triple OT game against 91 with an hour in between. They may have been a bit wiped and Hawks was fresh - 91 had beaten Hawks a few weeks ago further showing this bracket could be any team's game any week.

Hawks did not play Sons a few weeks ago or any time this year before today.

The original poster said 91 money one had beaten Hawks a few weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot

The poster above said 91 beat Sons in triple OT?? Which is it?

Rising Sons beat Team Ninety-One MD 8-7 in triple overtime.

91 struggled with a lack of cohesiveness on the field this week and last. Talented individual players with a few noticeably weaker players including an attack man that lacks any speed and could not catch consistently yet stayed on the field for the 2nd half and all OTs. Coaching decisions like this cost teams wins.

I would agree that just about any team could win this league. All evenly matched teams with the exception of Crabs. They have no business being in this league. Maybe they should get a "I can beat my younger brother" trophy at the end of the season. Complete sham. Enjoy it while ya can Crabs because when everything goes grade based your scheme goes bye bye.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would agree that just about any team could win this league. All evenly matched teams with the exception of Crabs. They have no business being in this league. Maybe they should get a "I can beat my younger brother" trophy at the end of the season. Complete sham. Enjoy it while ya can Crabs because when everything goes grade based your scheme goes bye bye.

You realize that every 2020 team in that division has multiple holdbacks, right?

9-8 in Triple Over Time. And yes I saw both games, Sons were wiped out. Imagine a your HS team playing a triple over time game against a rival. Sitting for hour and playing another really tough team. Not good. Will be tougher their other weeks down here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would agree that just about any team could win this league. All evenly matched teams with the exception of Crabs. They have no business being in this league. Maybe they should get a "I can beat my younger brother" trophy at the end of the season. Complete sham. Enjoy it while ya can Crabs because when everything goes grade based your scheme goes bye bye.

You realize that every 2020 team in that division has multiple holdbacks, right?

. Yes they all have a few holdbacks but nowhere near the number of Crabs. It is common knowledge they have 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks. This is how their 2020 team is designed This team should be in 2019 division. After seeing Crabs this year, most all players are older and bigger but they are not superior players, just average players that are older and bigger. Their 2 middies that were on Crabs 2019 last year are big but just average midfielders, nothing more. They know who they are and I'm sure if they or their Crab dads see this they will start the usual crab pushback/hissy fit.

Come on man - multiple holdbacks on all the teams? Don't deflect. No other organizations success (beating younger kids) is based on a systematic approach of putting older kids on the field. I look forward to this nonsense coming to an end in 2017.

I saw the Crabs play date at BL a few weeks ago. It borders on comical to see them play other 2020 teams. Old kids vs young kids. Weak.

Sons looked gassed vs Hawks and the game got away from them. Seemed like a nice group of parents. Even they were joking about Crabs and Holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would agree that just about any team could win this league. All evenly matched teams with the exception of Crabs. They have no business being in this league. Maybe they should get a "I can beat my younger brother" trophy at the end of the season. Complete sham. Enjoy it while ya can Crabs because when everything goes grade based your scheme goes bye bye.

You realize that every 2020 team in that division has multiple holdbacks, right?

. Yes they all have a few holdbacks but nowhere near the number of Crabs. It is common knowledge they have 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks. This is how their 2020 team is designed This team should be in 2019 division. After seeing Crabs this year, most all players are older and bigger but they are not superior players, just average players that are older and bigger. Their 2 middies that were on Crabs 2019 last year are big but just average midfielders, nothing more. They know who they are and I'm sure if they or their Crab dads see this they will start the usual crab pushback/hissy fit.

Crab creeper at it again. Are you the guy who hides in the bushes at the BL practices with binoculars?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sons looked gassed vs Hawks and the game got away from them. Seemed like a nice group of parents. Even they were joking about Crabs and Holdbacks.

The midfielders had to be gassed. The game with team91 had them running full field the entire second half and 3 OTs. Big difference when you are playing with fresh players. They probably would have beaten Hawks if they were both fresh or both had earlier tough games..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would agree that just about any team could win this league. All evenly matched teams with the exception of Crabs. They have no business being in this league. Maybe they should get a "I can beat my younger brother" trophy at the end of the season. Complete sham. Enjoy it while ya can Crabs because when everything goes grade based your scheme goes bye bye.

You realize that every 2020 team in that division has multiple holdbacks, right?

. Yes they all have a few holdbacks but nowhere near the number of Crabs. It is common knowledge they have 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks. This is how their 2020 team is designed This team should be in 2019 division. After seeing Crabs this year, most all players are older and bigger but they are not superior players, just average players that are older and bigger. Their 2 middies that were on Crabs 2019 last year are big but just average midfielders, nothing more. They know who they are and I'm sure if they or their Crab dads see this they will start the usual crab pushback/hissy fit.

Crab creeper at it again. Are you the guy who hides in the bushes at the BL practices with binoculars?

Not me but I know who it is and you should see what your wife is doing with him in those bushes.
Doesn't take long for the Crab crazies to appear and start deflecting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on man - multiple holdbacks on all the teams? Don't deflect. No other organizations success (beating younger kids) is based on a systematic approach of putting older kids on the field. I look forward to this nonsense coming to an end in 2017.

I saw the Crabs play date at BL a few weeks ago. It borders on comical to see them play other 2020 teams. Old kids vs young kids. Weak.

Nothing is coming to an end in 2017. USL has no jurisdiction over what the clubs do. They will just start another league if HOCO goes age based. And they don't play in any USL sponsored tournaments anyway.

Crabs has already posted tryout info for next year and it's grade based. It will stay that way because that's what college coaches want. The role of club lacrosse is to get the boys noticed by college coaches, that's what we are paying for. The fact that so many pay so much money to third rate clubs is a shame, but as long as parents are willing to pay it, there will be more and more clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on man - multiple holdbacks on all the teams? Don't deflect. No other organizations success (beating younger kids) is based on a systematic approach of putting older kids on the field. I look forward to this nonsense coming to an end in 2017.

I saw the Crabs play date at BL a few weeks ago. It borders on comical to see them play other 2020 teams. Old kids vs young kids. Weak.

Nothing is coming to an end in 2017. USL has no jurisdiction over what the clubs do. They will just start another league if HOCO goes age based. And they don't play in any USL sponsored tournaments anyway.

Crabs has already posted tryout info for next year and it's grade based. It will stay that way because that's what college coaches want. The role of club lacrosse is to get the boys noticed by college coaches, that's what we are paying for. The fact that so many pay so much money to third rate clubs is a shame, but as long as parents are willing to pay it, there will be more and more clubs.

It's not all about getting noticed by colleges for everybody- maybe that is why the crabs goes to such extremes to game the system. Single focus. Some kids play because they enjoy it and club gives them more practice time, access to coaches, longer season and different groups of kids. Shame that some think only about the college angle for a tiny bit of $$ in this sport. They are ruining it for the majority.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on man - multiple holdbacks on all the teams? Don't deflect. No other organizations success (beating younger kids) is based on a systematic approach of putting older kids on the field. I look forward to this nonsense coming to an end in 2017.

I saw the Crabs play date at BL a few weeks ago. It borders on comical to see them play other 2020 teams. Old kids vs young kids. Weak.

Nothing is coming to an end in 2017. USL has no jurisdiction over what the clubs do. They will just start another league if HOCO goes age based. And they don't play in any USL sponsored tournaments anyway.

Crabs has already posted tryout info for next year and it's grade based. It will stay that way because that's what college coaches want. The role of club lacrosse is to get the boys noticed by college coaches, that's what we are paying for. The fact that so many pay so much money to third rate clubs is a shame, but as long as parents are willing to pay it, there will be more and more clubs.

It's not all about getting noticed by colleges for everybody- maybe that is why the crabs goes to such extremes to game the system. Single focus. Some kids play because they enjoy it and club gives them more practice time, access to coaches, longer season and different groups of kids. Shame that some think only about the college angle for a tiny bit of $$ in this sport. They are ruining it for the majority.

No one thinks it's about the money. But a lot of these lacrosse schools are difficult to get into, even with good grades. If lacrosse helps a kid get into a school, the $4000 scholarship is irrelevant.

So you are spending $2000/yr so your kid gets more practice time? I don't buy it. All clubs promote the colleges their players go to. IT IS THEIR PRIMARY FUNCTION. It's not a shame that people think about the college angle. It should be the sole reason that you are paying $2000 plus travel. Otherwise, stick to rec and playing for your school.

The ones who are not playing to get recruited, but are just playing to have fun, are the ones who are terrible. Harsh, but true.

Next level 2020 is a good team but they shouldn't be in the elite division

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on man - multiple holdbacks on all the teams? Don't deflect. No other organizations success (beating younger kids) is based on a systematic approach of putting older kids on the field. I look forward to this nonsense coming to an end in 2017.

I saw the Crabs play date at BL a few weeks ago. It borders on comical to see them play other 2020 teams. Old kids vs young kids. Weak.

Nothing is coming to an end in 2017. USL has no jurisdiction over what the clubs do. They will just start another league if HOCO goes age based. And they don't play in any USL sponsored tournaments anyway.

Crabs has already posted tryout info for next year and it's grade based. It will stay that way because that's what college coaches want. The role of club lacrosse is to get the boys noticed by college coaches, that's what we are paying for. The fact that so many pay so much money to third rate clubs is a shame, but as long as parents are willing to pay it, there will be more and more clubs.

It's not all about getting noticed by colleges for everybody- maybe that is why the crabs goes to such extremes to game the system. Single focus. Some kids play because they enjoy it and club gives them more practice time, access to coaches, longer season and different groups of kids. Shame that some think only about the college angle for a tiny bit of $$ in this sport. They are ruining it for the majority.

No one thinks it's about the money. But a lot of these lacrosse schools are difficult to get into, even with good grades. If lacrosse helps a kid get into a school, the $4000 scholarship is irrelevant.

So you are spending $2000/yr so your kid gets more practice time? I don't buy it. All clubs promote the colleges their players go to. IT IS THEIR PRIMARY FUNCTION. It's not a shame that people think about the college angle. It should be the sole reason that you are paying $2000 plus travel. Otherwise, stick to rec and playing for your school.

Pleas get out of club lacrosse...seriously your crappy kid that is just doing for fun and to hang out with his lacrosse buddies is ruining my kids club experience....Play rec...No time for soft kids and sofr parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It is unfortunate that things like this happen, I hate to see it to but at times people/coaches get caught in the heat of the moment and less than pretty things happen. I'm not condoning this in any way but let's not make it worst and call this individual a dirtbag. These people put in a lot of time and effort and sometimes it gets out of hand.
He will most likely be suspended for the next game, I believe that is the HOCO rule for a coach ejection.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on man - multiple holdbacks on all the teams? Don't deflect. No other organizations success (beating younger kids) is based on a systematic approach of putting older kids on the field. I look forward to this nonsense coming to an end in 2017.

I saw the Crabs play date at BL a few weeks ago. It borders on comical to see them play other 2020 teams. Old kids vs young kids. Weak.

Nothing is coming to an end in 2017. USL has no jurisdiction over what the clubs do. They will just start another league if HOCO goes age based. And they don't play in any USL sponsored tournaments anyway.

Crabs has already posted tryout info for next year and it's grade based. It will stay that way because that's what college coaches want. The role of club lacrosse is to get the boys noticed by college coaches, that's what we are paying for. The fact that so many pay so much money to third rate clubs is a shame, but as long as parents are willing to pay it, there will be more and more clubs.

That would be great ..Then the Crabs will have the new league to themselves. Most YOUTH teams have very little holdbacks. The MAJORITY of of all clubs in the country would rather have age based teams at the YOUTH level. Only the Crabs and a few others want grade base. They can have at it with the Crabs and form their 3-4 team league.

And I dont buy the logic that College coaches want this?? When did college coaches care about 3rd graders, 4th graders, etc, etc..maybe 9th graders in High School..But that is not youth teams. Most college coaches do not ER at 8th grade. Your argument is lame and sounds like some speech RM of Crabs would give to justify ruining club lacrosse with grade base teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It may be some carry over from Sat. when a team nine d one md kid really viciously hurt a Looneys 2023 kid and was lucky to only get a 2 min non-releasable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It may be some carry over from Sat. when a team nine d one md kid really viciously hurt a Looneys 2023 kid and was lucky to only get a 2 min non-releasable.

Maybe....Parents were pretty appalled on both sides....Not a good thing for youth lacrosse...calling a ref a disgrace at the top of your lungs and making a scene of that magnitude was very very unfortunate. The kids heard it all and certainly affected their play....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It may be some carry over from Sat. when a team nine d one md kid really viciously hurt a Looneys 2023 kid and was lucky to only get a 2 min non-releasable.

Maybe....Parents were pretty appalled on both sides....Not a good thing for youth lacrosse...calling a ref a disgrace at the top of your lungs and making a scene of that magnitude was very very unfortunate. The kids heard it all and certainly affected their play....

The guys probably does not feel great about what happened.....I'm sure the staff will move on with lessons learned

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It may be some carry over from Sat. when a team nine d one md kid really viciously hurt a Looneys 2023 kid and was lucky to only get a 2 min non-releasable.

Carryover? We are talking a grown man behaving like a Neanderthal at a youth lacrosse game. No excuse for it and if it were that bad of a hit on Saturday the refs would have been required to eject the player under the new mpyll rules especially since it was the first day of the new rules and the refs and leagues would be trying to ensure compliance even more. If it is on video it can be reviewed under the new rules and action taken if the parents or coaches feel it was that bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It is unfortunate that things like this happen, I hate to see it to but at times people/coaches get caught in the heat of the moment and less than pretty things happen. I'm not condoning this in any way but let's not make it worst and call this individual a dirtbag. These people put in a lot of time and effort and sometimes it gets out of hand.
He will most likely be suspended for the next game, I believe that is the HOCO rule for a coach ejection.

I'm sure that Ref would agree with the Dbag comment. Not sure when it is ever appropriate to scream at the top of your lungs at a ref that your a "disgrace" and an "embarrassment"...Hopefully that team can have a gut check...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It may be some carry over from Sat. when a team nine d one md kid really viciously hurt a Looneys 2023 kid and was lucky to only get a 2 min non-releasable.

Carryover? We are talking a grown man behaving like a Neanderthal at a youth lacrosse game. No excuse for it and if it were that bad of a hit on Saturday the refs would have been required to eject the player under the new mpyll rules especially since it was the first day of the new rules and the refs and leagues would be trying to ensure compliance even more. If it is on video it can be reviewed under the new rules and action taken if the parents or coaches feel it was that bad.

You may want to play for Bethesda next year...Acting like a crazy coach seems to be well accepted over there..Just sayin

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It may be some carry over from Sat. when a team nine d one md kid really viciously hurt a Looneys 2023 kid and was lucky to only get a 2 min non-releasable.

Carryover? We are talking a grown man behaving like a Neanderthal at a youth lacrosse game. No excuse for it and if it were that bad of a hit on Saturday the refs would have been required to eject the player under the new mpyll rules especially since it was the first day of the new rules and the refs and leagues would be trying to ensure compliance even more. If it is on video it can be reviewed under the new rules and action taken if the parents or coaches feel it was that bad.

Not sure if the mpll hit on sat. was caught on tape, but the ref sure sounded disgusted with the nine-one kid and the Looneys kid lay twitching on the ground for a couple minutes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It may be some carry over from Sat. when a team nine d one md kid really viciously hurt a Looneys 2023 kid and was lucky to only get a 2 min non-releasable.

Carryover? We are talking a grown man behaving like a Neanderthal at a youth lacrosse game. No excuse for it and if it were that bad of a hit on Saturday the refs would have been required to eject the player under the new mpyll rules especially since it was the first day of the new rules and the refs and leagues would be trying to ensure compliance even more. If it is on video it can be reviewed under the new rules and action taken if the parents or coaches feel it was that bad.

Not sure if the mpll hit on sat. was caught on tape, but the ref sure sounded disgusted with the nine-one kid and the Looneys kid lay twitching on the ground for a couple minutes.

if it was that bad of a hit, and not just someone justifying a coaches bad behavior or their player getting a hit, the ref would be much more than disgusted and would have done more than a two minute unreleasable. Been around this game for awhile and it is always upsetting to see a child hurt and hope he is okay but sometimes it is the way they fall and not the hit that caused it and parents only see the end result.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It is unfortunate that things like this happen, I hate to see it to but at times people/coaches get caught in the heat of the moment and less than pretty things happen. I'm not condoning this in any way but let's not make it worst and call this individual a dirtbag. These people put in a lot of time and effort and sometimes it gets out of hand.
He will most likely be suspended for the next game, I believe that is the HOCO rule for a coach ejection.

I'm sure that Ref would agree with the Dbag comment. Not sure when it is ever appropriate to scream at the top of your lungs at a ref that your a "disgrace" and an "embarrassment"...Hopefully that team can have a gut check...

I agree. What team was Looney's playing Sunday when the asst. coach had the meltdown?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It is unfortunate that things like this happen, I hate to see it to but at times people/coaches get caught in the heat of the moment and less than pretty things happen. I'm not condoning this in any way but let's not make it worst and call this individual a dirtbag. These people put in a lot of time and effort and sometimes it gets out of hand.
He will most likely be suspended for the next game, I believe that is the HOCO rule for a coach ejection.

I'm sure that Ref would agree with the Dbag comment. Not sure when it is ever appropriate to scream at the top of your lungs at a ref that your a "disgrace" and an "embarrassment"...Hopefully that team can have a gut check...

I agree. What team was Looney's playing Sunday when the asst. coach had the meltdown?

Crabs

Playing Crabs seems to bring out the best in coach's and parent's behavior

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It is unfortunate that things like this happen, I hate to see it to but at times people/coaches get caught in the heat of the moment and less than pretty things happen. I'm not condoning this in any way but let's not make it worst and call this individual a dirtbag. These people put in a lot of time and effort and sometimes it gets out of hand.
He will most likely be suspended for the next game, I believe that is the HOCO rule for a coach ejection.

I'm sure that Ref would agree with the Dbag comment. Not sure when it is ever appropriate to scream at the top of your lungs at a ref that your a "disgrace" and an "embarrassment"...Hopefully that team can have a gut check...

I agree. What team was Looney's playing Sunday when the asst. coach had the meltdown?

Crabs

Playing Crabs seems to bring out the best in coach's and parent's behavior

Crabs are responsible for global warming

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ones who are not playing to get recruited, but are just playing to have fun, are the ones who are terrible. Harsh, but true.

you're insane. kids do play for the fun of the sport, and some have parents who don't live their lives through their kids sports. many parents push academics, not sports, and use sports as a means to teach kids how to win and lose with respect, deal with adversity, and be part of a team.

Interesting... Crabs has 4 teams. All playing at the best divisions. All are undefeated and at the top of their brackets. Anyone ever notice why Crabs does not field B teams....It seems that most of the complaints about Crabs come from parents/players from those "B" teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ones who are not playing to get recruited, but are just playing to have fun, are the ones who are terrible. Harsh, but true.

you're insane. kids do play for the fun of the sport, and some have parents who don't live their lives through their kids sports. many parents push academics, not sports, and use sports as a means to teach kids how to win and lose with respect, deal with adversity, and be part of a team.

Kids should play for the fun if that's what they want. But I don't get parents willingness to pay $2000+ for them to do it. If having fun is the goal, why pay that expense? I guess if you have the disposable income that's great. I have 3 kids that play, so if they were just looking to have fun, I could find better things to do with the amount of money I am paying a year for them to play and they could just play for their schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It is unfortunate that things like this happen, I hate to see it to but at times people/coaches get caught in the heat of the moment and less than pretty things happen. I'm not condoning this in any way but let's not make it worst and call this individual a dirtbag. These people put in a lot of time and effort and sometimes it gets out of hand.
He will most likely be suspended for the next game, I believe that is the HOCO rule for a coach ejection.

I'm sure that Ref would agree with the Dbag comment. Not sure when it is ever appropriate to scream at the top of your lungs at a ref that your a "disgrace" and an "embarrassment"...Hopefully that team can have a gut check...

I agree. What team was Looney's playing Sunday when the asst. coach had the meltdown?

Crabs

Playing Crabs seems to bring out the best in coach's and parent's behavior

Crabs are responsible for global warming

And world hunger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ones who are not playing to get recruited, but are just playing to have fun, are the ones who are terrible. Harsh, but true.

you're insane. kids do play for the fun of the sport, and some have parents who don't live their lives through their kids sports. many parents push academics, not sports, and use sports as a means to teach kids how to win and lose with respect, deal with adversity, and be part of a team.

Kids should play for the fun if that's what they want. But I don't get parents willingness to pay $2000+ for them to do it. If having fun is the goal, why pay that expense? I guess if you have the disposable income that's great. I have 3 kids that play, so if they were just looking to have fun, I could find better things to do with the amount of money I am paying a year for them to play and they could just play for their schools.

rec is always an option, but it is only there till high school. club is there through high school. plus, kids can choose to play for the fun of the sport and be on competitive teams. I don't pay anything near $2000 for either of my kids, as a matter of fact I don't pay a total of $2000 for both to play club ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ones who are not playing to get recruited, but are just playing to have fun, are the ones who are terrible. Harsh, but true.

you're insane. kids do play for the fun of the sport, and some have parents who don't live their lives through their kids sports. many parents push academics, not sports, and use sports as a means to teach kids how to win and lose with respect, deal with adversity, and be part of a team.

Kids should play for the fun if that's what they want. But I don't get parents willingness to pay $2000+ for them to do it. If having fun is the goal, why pay that expense? I guess if you have the disposable income that's great. I have 3 kids that play, so if they were just looking to have fun, I could find better things to do with the amount of money I am paying a year for them to play and they could just play for their schools.

rec is always an option, but it is only there till high school. club is there through high school. plus, kids can choose to play for the fun of the sport and be on competitive teams. I don't pay anything near $2000 for either of my kids, as a matter of fact I don't pay a total of $2000 for both to play club ball.

What clubs do your kids play for that cost less than 1k? Are they competitive? If not, are they having fun?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looney's 2023 assistant coaches epic meltdown at today's 2023 game was embarrassing. Screaming, threatening and suspending play because your kid got checked hard...Really. Just say no to Dad coaches.....Hope you enjoyed the game from the stands...By the way your kid should have been removed from the field today for his retaliation checking to the face and his meltdown as well.. Great work dirtbag...

It is unfortunate that things like this happen, I hate to see it to but at times people/coaches get caught in the heat of the moment and less than pretty things happen. I'm not condoning this in any way but let's not make it worst and call this individual a dirtbag. These people put in a lot of time and effort and sometimes it gets out of hand.
He will most likely be suspended for the next game, I believe that is the HOCO rule for a coach ejection.

I'm sure that Ref would agree with the Dbag comment. Not sure when it is ever appropriate to scream at the top of your lungs at a ref that your a "disgrace" and an "embarrassment"...Hopefully that team can have a gut check...
I agree. What team was Looney's playing Sunday when the asst. coach had the meltdown?

Crabs

Playing Crabs seems to bring out the best in coach's and parent's behavior

Crabs are responsible for global warming

And world hunger

I thought Madlax was responsible for World Hunger

2020 scores from today?

Loonies 8-5 v Sons
Crabs 6-4 v Hawks

First time seeing the Crabs play this year. The number of holdbacks is staggering. It is almost funny to watch them play. How they can field a team like this without being embarrassed is quite unbelievable.

FCA 10 rising sons 6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loonies 8-5 v Sons
Crabs 6-4 v Hawks

First time seeing the Crabs play this year. The number of holdbacks is staggering. It is almost funny to watch them play. How they can field a team like this without being embarrassed is quite unbelievable.

Today's game against the Hawks just shows that the Crabs are beatable even with holdbacks. This game could have gone either way. Hawks had a goal wiped out by a timeout call. The ball bounces their way one more time the score could have gone the other way. The crabs goalies were on point today. They won this game for the crabs, not all their holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 10 rising sons 6

Heard the game really was a blowout, the score makes it seem somewhat even? To

Hawks have plenty of holdbacks, too. Please.

Crabs without holdbacks are no better than Madlax. Did I mention that their coach belittles and abuses his players. These are 13 and 14 year old boys - scratch that - 15 and 16 year old boys - be nice to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 10 rising sons 6

Heard the game really was a blowout, the score makes it seem somewhat even? To

FCA seemed to be lolly gagging thru the game. Rising Sons probably tired from Looneys.

Nope - not true.

[quote=Anonymous]Don't know if they do or not. If they do, they must be very small for their age. Unlike the monster sized holdbacks that the crabs have. I am not affiliated with the Hawks. Just saw the game and stating the obvious.

1 of Crabs Goalies is a holdback.

FCA was up 5-1 early and went to sloppy play..Rising Sons showed alot of heart and kept playing hard even though they seemed outmatched.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have plenty of holdbacks, too. Please.

Rumor has it that Hawks best player is turning 16 this year

True

Wow Team91 force lost to next level

There is not a single kid on Hawks that is older than 14. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Team91 force lost to next level

Next Level is better than people think. Got some good kids on that team.

Did the Loonies FOGO play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Loonies FOGO play?

Yes won all but 2 (15-17)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA was up 5-1 early and went to sloppy play..Rising Sons showed alot of heart and kept playing hard even though they seemed outmatched.

and they just got done playing Looneys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 10 rising sons 6

Heard the game really was a blowout, the score makes it seem somewhat even? To

3 goal game the whole time. 8-5 when goalie scored on himself to make it 9-5. then 9-6 and then a 10th goal while sons were chasing all over the field.

Someone he is not allowed to play for Looneys in the spring. I assume Looneys needed the win to make sure they can make playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow Team91 force lost to next level

Yup, lost by one in double OT. No shame in that. Proves that this elite bracket can go any way for quite a few games. Triple OT the prior week for 91 and 1 pt loss to FCA. All the teams are fighting hard. Team 91 does not have the same requirements for practice in the Spring as other elite teams to allow the kids to play middle school without burn out . It is a choice that is giving them a rough spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone he is not allowed to play for Looneys in the spring. I assume Looneys needed the win to make sure they can make playoffs.

Game should be a forfeit as anyone who has played high school can not play this league per their own rules. The player has played the whole high school season with his Florida team. The team they played should pay the 50.00 protest fee and have the game forfeited. It is getting ridiculous that Howad county is ignoring ALL of their own rules and pandering to certain teams. Look it up-it is very clearly written. Shameful as Crabs. Shame on HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone he is not allowed to play for Looneys in the spring. I assume Looneys needed the win to make sure they can make playoffs.

Game should be a forfeit as anyone who has played high school can not play this league per their own rules. The player has played the whole high school season with his Florida team. The team they played should pay the 50.00 protest fee and have the game forfeited. It is getting ridiculous that Howad county is ignoring ALL of their own rules and pandering to certain teams. Look it up-it is very clearly written. Shameful as Crabs. Shame on HoCo.

Ok, how many holdbacks does your sons team have? It really isn't none of your business. I'm not associated with Crabs or the team with the FOGO from Fl., but I'm not butting in and yelling like you are. Let the kids play. You should just mind your own business and STFU.

My sons team does not have any holdbacks and the rules state if you play in HS you are not eligible to play in HOCO. Loonies broke the rule yesterday. Forfeit is in order.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone he is not allowed to play for Looneys in the spring. I assume Looneys needed the win to make sure they can make playoffs.

Game should be a forfeit as anyone who has played high school can not play this league per their own rules. The player has played the whole high school season with his Florida team. The team they played should pay the 50.00 protest fee and have the game forfeited. It is getting ridiculous that Howad county is ignoring ALL of their own rules and pandering to certain teams. Look it up-it is very clearly written. Shameful as Crabs. Shame on HoCo.

Ok, how many holdbacks does your sons team have? It really isn't none of your business. I'm not associated with Crabs or the team with the FOGO from Fl., but I'm not butting in and yelling like you are. Let the kids play. You should just mind your own business and STFU.

The rules are the rules. Holdbacks have nothing to do with this particular rule. You cheat; you forfeit. The rules are very clear and it was done knowing the rule as published to ALL the teams. This league is a sham. How do you know...maybe I am with Looneys...maybe with Crabs and maybe not either but sick of teams doing whatever they want regardless of rules. Hard to believe with your fury that you are not a Looneys parent who got caught. The nonsense needs to end, have some sportsmanship and follow the rules.

It's pretty cut and dry. If the FOGO for Looneys played, it should be a forfeit. This is different than holdbacks. This is a clearly stated rule that if you play for your HS team, you are ineligible to play for an 8th grade team. There is no attempt to hide it. He is listed on his high school roster and his hudl page has his High School Varsity highlights on it. I'm not involved in any way with today's game, but this is something that should be pretty easy. Just a question if any one wants to put up the $50 to challenge the roster.

The protest fee is refunded if the challenge is successful. Being that this is a clear violation of the written rules in terms of the Looneys FOGO, I will be surprised if someone doesn't challenge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The protest fee is refunded if the challenge is successful. Being that this is a clear violation of the written rules in terms of the Looneys FOGO, I will be surprised if someone doesn't challenge.

well, the rules regarding normal progression were pretty clear too and Hoco blew those off so guess it depends with how connected they are with Looneys whether they will turn a blind eye again. They are definitely not in it for the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone he is not allowed to play for Looneys in the spring. I assume Looneys needed the win to make sure they can make playoffs.

Game should be a forfeit as anyone who has played high school can not play this league per their own rules. The player has played the whole high school season with his Florida team. The team they played should pay the 50.00 protest fee and have the game forfeited. It is getting ridiculous that Howad county is ignoring ALL of their own rules and pandering to certain teams. Look it up-it is very clearly written. Shameful as Crabs. Shame on HoCo.

Ok, how many holdbacks does your sons team have? It really isn't none of your business. I'm not associated with Crabs or the team with the FOGO from Fl., but I'm not butting in and yelling like you are. Let the kids play. You should just mind your own business and STFU.

The rules are the rules. Holdbacks have nothing to do with this particular rule. You cheat; you forfeit. The rules are very clear and it was done knowing the rule as published to ALL the teams. This league is a sham. How do you know...maybe I am with Looneys...maybe with Crabs and maybe not either but sick of teams doing whatever they want regardless of rules. Hard to believe with your fury that you are not a Looneys parent who got caught. The nonsense needs to end, have some sportsmanship and follow the rules.

Wrong, I am not with Looney's, never have been. My fury comes from people on this board who are not associated with either team involved and yet yell and scream forfeit. Look, the holdbacks are also breaking the true rule/guideline of HOCO and every team in 2020 elite has, to some extent, holdbacks. Maybe not as many as Crabs but they have them. So you are saying its ok to violate the true/intended guideline on grade but not on this. This player is a kid, in the 8th grade yet good enough to play on his varsity school team. So lets go after him and his team and make them forfeit the game.
Don't you have better things to do than this.
I do know from a reliable source than this kid won't be going to school in Florida this fall, he will be going to McDonogh, so now find something to yell about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The protest fee is refunded if the challenge is successful. Being that this is a clear violation of the written rules in terms of the Looneys FOGO, I will be surprised if someone doesn't challenge.

well, the rules regarding normal progression were pretty clear too and Hoco blew those off so guess it depends with how connected they are with Looneys whether they will turn a blind eye again. They are definitely not in it for the kids.

They are in it for the kids but given the landscape in youth lacrosse today and the holdback situation, what league is truly age based. I know players on teams that play in the Koopers league that have holdbacks. Every team has them. Do I like it or agree with it, no, but it is almost impossible to get leagues to change.

The problem stems from organizations that think they can ignore the rules and get away with it. The kids plays for a HS team. Rules state no HS players. Rule broken. Forfeit. End of story.

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The protest fee is refunded if the challenge is successful. Being that this is a clear violation of the written rules in terms of the Looneys FOGO, I will be surprised if someone doesn't challenge.

well, the rules regarding normal progression were pretty clear too and Hoco blew those off so guess it depends with how connected they are with Looneys whether they will turn a blind eye again. They are definitely not in it for the kids.

They are in it for the kids but given the landscape in youth lacrosse today and the holdback situation, what league is truly age based. I know players on teams that play in the Koopers league that have holdbacks. Every team has them. Do I like it or agree with it, no, but it is almost impossible to get leagues to change.

If they are not following their own rules on 1. Hodlbacks and age appropriateness and 2) kids playing who have played high school then No, they are not in it for the kids. Stand up and be adults and do something about it instead of pointing to other people/leagues/tournaments and at least follow your own rules. Yes, your will keep most teams because you are the only league in town right now for Sunday play but stand up and protect the kids and families doing the right thing and stop pandering to certain teams. You are part of the problem and definitely not in it for the kids but probably for $$ just like the clubs who have manipulated the system and broken the rules. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and and convince yourself you are doing it for the kids? You are willing to sacrifice demonstrating to all the kids that are doing it right that you will sell out and break your own rules just to be part of the crowd. What ever happened to character and sportsmanship HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem stems from organizations that think they can ignore the rules and get away with it. The kids plays for a HS team. Rules state no HS players. Rule broken. Forfeit. End of story.

What is your excuse this time Howard County for not following your own rules? You know what is going on and ignoring it. What kind of youth organization does that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem stems from organizations that think they can ignore the rules and get away with it. The kids plays for a HS team. Rules state no HS players. Rule broken. Forfeit. End of story.

What is your excuse this time Howard County for not following your own rules? You know what is going on and ignoring it. What kind of youth organization does that?

It's an 8th grade league with some of the best players in the US and a preview of MIAA lax to come. Glad the league and teams are allowing flexibility.

Once and for all get over this topic. It is a grade based league, not age. Who cares about anything other than what grade kids are in right now. That is all that matters in grade based leagues. If you want to play age based play rec. Move on to another topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem stems from organizations that think they can ignore the rules and get away with it. The kids plays for a HS team. Rules state no HS players. Rule broken. Forfeit. End of story.

What is your excuse this time Howard County for not following your own rules? You know what is going on and ignoring it. What kind of youth organization does that?

It's an 8th grade league with some of the best players in the US and a preview of MIAA lax to come. Glad the league and teams are allowing flexibility.

This is not flexibility - it is breaking rules for a select few. A rule is a rule and hoco is playing games with youth and bowing to the favored few. They are not in the business to break their own rules. You wrote the rules for a reason- now follow them and stop trying to be friends with those you perceive to be influential. It is not your responsibility to make assumptions and treat the elite kids differently nor your role to prepare them for MIAA. Not all of these kids play MIAA with their and now hocos elite rule manipulation. You and your senior managment are simply giving in to those you perceive with the power to keep your league running happy and calling it "flexibility".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once and for all get over this topic. It is a grade based league, not age. Who cares about anything other than what grade kids are in right now. That is all that matters in grade based leagues. If you want to play age based play rec. Move on to another topic.

Very convenient. You are cheating according to,the league rules and trying to justify it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once and for all get over this topic. It is a grade based league, not age. Who cares about anything other than what grade kids are in right now. That is all that matters in grade based leagues. If you want to play age based play rec. Move on to another topic.

Very convenient. You are cheating according to,the league rules and trying to justify it.

The Club teams are grade based and have all the baggage that goes along with it. If HoCo implements a age requirement, the clubs will go back to NPYLL or some other league and you guys will whine about that. HoCo will return to just being a B level or rec league.

Instead of constantly complaining about this league, you should appreciate that HoCo has pulled all the great clubs within 100 miles and has them playing on great fields with scoreboards and great refs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once and for all get over this topic. It is a grade based league, not age. Who cares about anything other than what grade kids are in right now. That is all that matters in grade based leagues. If you want to play age based play rec. Move on to another topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once and for all get over this topic. It is a grade based league, not age. Who cares about anything other than what grade kids are in right now. That is all that matters in grade based leagues. If you want to play age based play rec. Move on to another topic.

Thanks Crabs dad of a 16 year old 8th grader. No one here cares about your opinion. Go enjoy drivers Ed with your kid.

For the third week in a row all Crabs team win...Crabs 4 Haters 0..Get bent haters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs without holdbacks are no better than Madlax. Did I mention that their coach belittles and abuses his players. These are 13 and 14 year old boys - scratch that - 15 and 16 year old boys - be nice to them.

Everyone is better than MadLax - please...

I wonder if the 2020 Crabs players will be tired on Saturday. Lots of Junior Proms on Friday night.

Looneys= forfeit. Hoco grow some. Rising sons is putting in the challenge.
Crabs backing it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once and for all get over this topic. It is a grade based league, not age. Who cares about anything other than what grade kids are in right now. That is all that matters in grade based leagues. If you want to play age based play rec. Move on to another topic.

Very convenient. You are cheating according to,the league rules and trying to justify it.

The Club teams are grade based and have all the baggage that goes along with it. If HoCo implements a age requirement, the clubs will go back to NPYLL or some other league and you guys will whine about that. HoCo will return to just being a B level or rec league.

Instead of constantly complaining about this league, you should appreciate that HoCo has pulled all the great clubs within 100 miles and has them playing on great fields with scoreboards and great refs.

And you should follow your rules which were put in place to keep youth sports just that - youth and not high school age players or players playing high school already. You can have all the great fields you want, mediocre refs and still no character or back bone. Fields, scoreboard and refs mean nothing when you ignore rules and perpetuate a real problem in youth lacrosse by becoming part of the problem. Could care less about a scoreboard and more about teaching kids about what is right. The rest is all fluff and as a youth organization you should know that and care more about the kids then fields, refs and scoreboards. Fix the real problems, follow your rules and do what is right for the majority of the kids then maybe people will stop complaining. It is about the kids after all.

Seriously...Bitmore 2021 kids are probably the best around...college coaches chomping at the bit to talk to these kids someday. Well coached and all headed for success....Bitmore is strong and on the map as one of the best 2021 teams in Maryland..... Love watching those 16 kids just beast pretentious kids...Blue collar lacrosse at its finest. Fun watching stuck up parents figure out why they lost so bad to "that" team. Great coaching, fundamentals, and we work harder than any other team out there....Haters beware......Our talk is our play....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the third week in a row all Crabs team win...Crabs 4 Haters 0..Get bent haters

And nobody respects those wins - keep living in your bubble and pretending you are winners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder if the 2020 Crabs players will be tired on Saturday. Lots of Junior Proms on Friday night.

That's must be why they are not playing on Saturday this week!! Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys= forfeit. Hoco grow some. Rising sons is putting in the challenge.
Crabs backing it

This one is pretty ballsy for even HoCo to allow to get by. Looneys had the rules just like every team in the league and it is common practice that anyone who has played even one game of high school is no longer eligible for youth. No matter where they live or what the reason.

My wife and I just went out and decided to be safe and get an Uber driver...Our pleasant driver told us he plays on the 2020 Crabs team...Great kid...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys= forfeit. Hoco grow some. Rising sons is putting in the challenge.
Crabs backing it

. You wish. Now, reach down, grab your ears and pull your head out. We all just love people who talk out of their butts.

College coaches lined up waiting to talk to Bitmore 2021 players. Really? For what janitor positions? You sound like the village idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously...Bitmore 2021 kids are probably the best around...college coaches chomping at the bit to talk to these kids someday. Well coached and all headed for success....Bitmore is strong and on the map as one of the best 2021 teams in Maryland..... Love watching those 16 kids just beast pretentious kids...Blue collar lacrosse at its finest. Fun watching stuck up parents figure out why they lost so bad to "that" team. Great coaching, fundamentals, and we work harder than any other team out there....Haters beware......Our talk is our play....

Blue Collar lacrosse? What does that even mean? Isn't your club one of the most expensive ones to join? Maybe I've misheard, but don't better players get a discount and those that aren't as strong foot the bill? Good for you if you have great players. But don't be a hypocrite. And don't assume other teams are full of rich kids with stuck up parents. That's ridiculous. And, most important, don't get smug. Everyone loses once in a while.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously...Bitmore 2021 kids are probably the best around...college coaches chomping at the bit to talk to these kids someday. Well coached and all headed for success....Bitmore is strong and on the map as one of the best 2021 teams in Maryland..... Love watching those 16 kids just beast pretentious kids...Blue collar lacrosse at its finest. Fun watching stuck up parents figure out why they lost so bad to "that" team. Great coaching, fundamentals, and we work harder than any other team out there....Haters beware......Our talk is our play....

Blue Collar lacrosse? What does that even mean? Isn't your club one of the most expensive ones to join? Maybe I've misheard, but don't better players get a discount and those that aren't as strong foot the bill? Good for you if you have great players. But don't be a hypocrite. And don't assume other teams are full of rich kids with stuck up parents. That's ridiculous. And, most important, don't get smug. Everyone loses once in a while.

Come on man....These my club is better than your club posts are nothing but troll posts. Probably accurate that the originator and the responder are the same person....Probably accurate that they are not even from Bitmore..... By the way my kid is better than yours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously...Bitmore 2021 kids are probably the best around...college coaches chomping at the bit to talk to these kids someday. Well coached and all headed for success....Bitmore is strong and on the map as one of the best 2021 teams in Maryland..... Love watching those 16 kids just beast pretentious kids...Blue collar lacrosse at its finest. Fun watching stuck up parents figure out why they lost so bad to "that" team. Great coaching, fundamentals, and we work harder than any other team out there....Haters beware......Our talk is our play....

Blue Collar lacrosse? What does that even mean? Isn't your club one of the most expensive ones to join? Maybe I've misheard, but don't better players get a discount and those that aren't as strong foot the bill? Good for you if you have great players. But don't be a hypocrite. And don't assume other teams are full of rich kids with stuck up parents. That's ridiculous. And, most important, don't get smug. Everyone loses once in a while.

Come back on here in 2 years when your top 4 or 5 players have left for a established club with hundreds of D1 kids. Sorry I am old and have had several kids go through this world. It will happen and it should because that is whats best for those top 4 or 5 kids on your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone he is not allowed to play for Looneys in the spring. I assume Looneys needed the win to make sure they can make playoffs.

Game should be a forfeit as anyone who has played high school can not play this league per their own rules. The player has played the whole high school season with his Florida team. The team they played should pay the 50.00 protest fee and have the game forfeited. It is getting ridiculous that Howad county is ignoring ALL of their own rules and pandering to certain teams. Look it up-it is very clearly written. Shameful as Crabs. Shame on HoCo.

Ok, how many holdbacks does your sons team have? It really isn't none of your business. I'm not associated with Crabs or the team with the FOGO from Fl., but I'm not butting in and yelling like you are. Let the kids play. You should just mind your own business and STFU.

The rules are the rules. Holdbacks have nothing to do with this particular rule. You cheat; you forfeit. The rules are very clear and it was done knowing the rule as published to ALL the teams. This league is a sham. How do you know...maybe I am with Looneys...maybe with Crabs and maybe not either but sick of teams doing whatever they want regardless of rules. Hard to believe with your fury that you are not a Looneys parent who got caught. The nonsense needs to end, have some sportsmanship and follow the rules.

Wrong, I am not with Looney's, never have been. My fury comes from people on this board who are not associated with either team involved and yet yell and scream forfeit. Look, the holdbacks are also breaking the true rule/guideline of HOCO and every team in 2020 elite has, to some extent, holdbacks. Maybe not as many as Crabs but they have them. So you are saying its ok to violate the true/intended guideline on grade but not on this. This player is a kid, in the 8th grade yet good enough to play on his varsity school team. So lets go after him and his team and make them forfeit the game.
Don't you have better things to do than this.
I do know from a reliable source than this kid won't be going to school in Florida this fall, he will be going to McDonogh, so now find something to yell about that.

I assume you're a parent and not some kid posting. So assuming you are an adult, you should know what it means to have things like integrity and character. This isn't an indeitment of the kid, but the coaches first and foremost followed by the parents.

Rules are rules, and in this case fairly black and white. Whether he is good enough to play varsity is completely irrelevant. What's lost in this current cesspool of youth lacrosse are the things parents and coaches pretend to espouse as values. We're building men of character, values blah blah blah. [lacrosse]. You're enabling kids to say it's ok to bend every rule possible or simply break them to get ahead. Well done. And America wonders why kids these days don't emulate previous generations that made this country great. It starts with people like you.

Looneys cheated - imagine that...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone he is not allowed to play for Looneys in the spring. I assume Looneys needed the win to make sure they can make playoffs.

Game should be a forfeit as anyone who has played high school can not play this league per their own rules. The player has played the whole high school season with his Florida team. The team they played should pay the 50.00 protest fee and have the game forfeited. It is getting ridiculous that Howad county is ignoring ALL of their own rules and pandering to certain teams. Look it up-it is very clearly written. Shameful as Crabs. Shame on HoCo.

Ok, how many holdbacks does your sons team have? It really isn't none of your business. I'm not associated with Crabs or the team with the FOGO from Fl., but I'm not butting in and yelling like you are. Let the kids play. You should just mind your own business and STFU.

The rules are the rules. Holdbacks have nothing to do with this particular rule. You cheat; you forfeit. The rules are very clear and it was done knowing the rule as published to ALL the teams. This league is a sham. How do you know...maybe I am with Looneys...maybe with Crabs and maybe not either but sick of teams doing whatever they want regardless of rules. Hard to believe with your fury that you are not a Looneys parent who got caught. The nonsense needs to end, have some sportsmanship and follow the rules.

Wrong, I am not with Looney's, never have been. My fury comes from people on this board who are not associated with either team involved and yet yell and scream forfeit. Look, the holdbacks are also breaking the true rule/guideline of HOCO and every team in 2020 elite has, to some extent, holdbacks. Maybe not as many as Crabs but they have them. So you are saying its ok to violate the true/intended guideline on grade but not on this. This player is a kid, in the 8th grade yet good enough to play on his varsity school team. So lets go after him and his team and make them forfeit the game.
Don't you have better things to do than this.
I do know from a reliable source than this kid won't be going to school in Florida this fall, he will be going to McDonogh, so now find something to yell about that.

I assume you're a parent and not some kid posting. So assuming you are an adult, you should know what it means to have things like integrity and character. This isn't an indeitment of the kid, but the coaches first and foremost followed by the parents.

Rules are rules, and in this case fairly black and white. Whether he is good enough to play varsity is completely irrelevant. What's lost in this current cesspool of youth lacrosse are the things parents and coaches pretend to espouse as values. We're building men of character, values blah blah blah. [lacrosse]. You're enabling kids to say it's ok to bend every rule possible or simply break them to get ahead. Well done. And America wonders why kids these days don't emulate previous generations that made this country great. It starts with people like you.

Yes, I am a parent of a 2020 elite player, but not on either of the two teams involved in this situation.
Do I like the fact that youth lacrosse has taken a turn for the worst, no I do not. I strongly feel the holdback situation is way out of control and this league and every other should go back to age base, that quickly solves the question of where a player plays. This player in question, the FOGO, does not even know the rules we are talking about, none of the players know this type of guidelines, it's the league who wrote the guidelines and the coaches, who should review and know them.
What I question is parents/fans who are not involved with these two teams quickly jumping in and causing mayhem. If the opposing team has no problem with it we should leave it alone. Perhaps the two coaches discussed this with the league and all were ok with this, who knows. Were the guidelines broken, yes, but the league may be showing flexibility, who knows. I have been told this player only comes up for maybe two games during the spring season. Does that make it right, no, but again the league showing some flexibility. I have no problem with him playing. My major problem is the holdbacks and how some teams (Crabs) completely violates the true spirit of grade base lacrosse. Having 16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds is completely wrong, but the league looked the other way for Crabs.
It may seem that I am contradicting myself, and I guess I am, but for people to start demanding the other team file a protest and ask for a forfeit is not needed.
For me player safety is top priority and the holdback situation puts that in question.
I feel most of the players have character and most are good kids, at this point let's let them play and hopefully have a good time.ttt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

There are very few 8th graders in the HOCO league that could play high school lacrosse. Every team in the HOCO league probably has holdbacks, so all of them are breaking the rules. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but they are all guilty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

There are very few 8th graders in the HOCO league that could play high school lacrosse. Every team in the HOCO league probably has holdbacks, so all of them are breaking the rules. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but they are all guilty.

There are actually several 2020 kids that easily could play high school - including private and public school kids. The do not because MIAA and Maryland Public schools do not allow it - it is explicit in their rules - and they follow their rules so it does not come up very often. If they transfer from another school having played high school already it starts their clock on 4 years- the maximum they can play in any Maryland school high school ball regardless of where they played the first year.

s, I am a parent of a 2020 elite player, but not on either of the two teams involved in this situation.
Do I like the fact that youth lacrosse has taken a turn for the worst, no I do not. I strongly feel the holdback situation is way out of control and this league and every other should go back to age base, that quickly solves the question of where a player plays. This player in question, the FOGO, does not even know the rules we are talking about, none of the players know this type of guidelines, it's the league who wrote the guidelines and the coaches, who should review and know them.
What I question is parents/fans who are not involved with these two teams quickly jumping in and causing mayhem. If the opposing team has no problem with it we should leave it alone. Perhaps the two coaches discussed this with the league and all were ok with this, who knows. Were the guidelines broken, yes, but the league may be showing flexibility, who knows. I have been told this player only comes up for maybe two games during the spring season. Does that make it right, no, but again the league showing some flexibility. I have no problem with him playing. My major problem is the holdbacks and how some teams (Crabs) completely violates the true spirit of grade base lacrosse. Having 16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds is completely wrong, but the league looked the other way for Crabs.
It may seem that I am contradicting myself, and I guess I am, but for people to start demanding the other team file a protest and ask for a forfeit is not needed.
For me player safety is top priority and the holdback situation puts that in question.
I feel most of the players have character and most are good kids, at this point let's let them play and hopefully have a good time.ttt
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You can not pick and chose which rules to follow. The team is breaking the rules - period. Change the rule next year if all teams agree. Not mid way during the season when the expectation was that no player would be playing high school. It is not up to anyone to offer flexibility or to interpret the clearly written rule. All elite team players, coaches and families have a say in wanting the league to follow their own rule - not just the two teams directly involved this week. Nobody should be put in the position of having to okay the change of a rule. Get rid of the rule in the future if you find it problematic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

There are very few 8th graders in the HOCO league that could play high school lacrosse. Every team in the HOCO league probably has holdbacks, so all of them are breaking the rules. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but they are all guilty.

You leave out the fact that the holdbacks aren't breaking any rules. I know, I know. "The Spirit of the Game"

Being that the league is grade based, there are no rules being broken by them. However, the league does explicitly state if you play on a high school team, you can't play in the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

There are very few 8th graders in the HOCO league that could play high school lacrosse. Every team in the HOCO league probably has holdbacks, so all of them are breaking the rules. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but they are all guilty.

There are actually several 2020 kids that easily could play high school - including private and public school kids. The do not because MIAA and Maryland Public schools do not allow it - it is explicit in their rules - and they follow their rules so it does not come up very often. If they transfer from another school having played high school already it starts their clock on 4 years- the maximum they can play in any Maryland school high school ball regardless of where they played the first year.

There is also a rule in Maryland that if you turn 19 before August of you senior year you cannot play. If you turn 19 after August of your senior year you can only play varsity.
This can have an effect on some of the double holdbacks who are 16 or close to 16 and in the 8th grade. By the time they are in their junior year they could be 19 or close to 19.
I don't think some parents of holdbacks think this through and by the time it is realized it is too late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

There are very few 8th graders in the HOCO league that could play high school lacrosse. Every team in the HOCO league probably has holdbacks, so all of them are breaking the rules. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but they are all guilty.

There are actually several 2020 kids that easily could play high school - including private and public school kids. The do not because MIAA and Maryland Public schools do not allow it - it is explicit in their rules - and they follow their rules so it does not come up very often. If they transfer from another school having played high school already it starts their clock on 4 years- the maximum they can play in any Maryland school high school ball regardless of where they played the first year.

There is also a rule in Maryland that if you turn 19 before August of you senior year you cannot play. If you turn 19 after August of your senior year you can only play varsity.
This can have an effect on some of the double holdbacks who are 16 or close to 16 and in the 8th grade. By the time they are in their junior year they could be 19 or close to 19.
I don't think some parents of holdbacks think this through and by the time it is realized it is too late.

If they're good enough at that point they will go to Hill, IMG or another prep school. I'm sure the parents have completely thought this through.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

There are very few 8th graders in the HOCO league that could play high school lacrosse. Every team in the HOCO league probably has holdbacks, so all of them are breaking the rules. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but they are all guilty.

You leave out the fact that the holdbacks aren't breaking any rules. I know, I know. "The Spirit of the Game"

Being that the league is grade based, there are no rules being broken by them. However, the league does explicitly state if you play on a high school team, you can't play in the league.

Here is the exact wording from the HOCO rules/guidelines:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation."

The argument can be made that a 16 year old 8th grader is not normal progression of school to graduation. That is violating and breaking the grade base rule/guidelines. Plus, a play with words regarding a player who plays HS while playing in the HOCO league: "should not be eligible for 8th grade/U15 competition in the same season." Notice is says "should" and not "is not eligible" or "you can't play". Was this written in order to allow some wiggle room? Same can be said for normal progression, that could have been worded better.
I didn't write these, have no idea who did or who had input but the argument could be made on both, as they are weakly worded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact that there are players flying in to play an 8th grade spring game is beyond comprehension. WTH is going on?? I mean seriously wth is going on.

Well, for one some of these players are extremely good and do not get the broad exposure in their home state so they play up here in Md.
The FOGO everyone is yelling about is an 8th grader who plays varsity for his HS team, he is that good. He has played for a Md. club team for the past two years. What has he gotten out of that, a sweet deal with a MIAA school, which he will be attending here in Md. this fall. He is already on the radar of many top D1 colleges.
If the parents can afford it (and this player can) and the kid wants to do it, why is it anyone's business. Seems people always have something to say on things that do not concern them.

But he still needs to follow the rules in place . Dont care who has him on their radar etc. Follow the rules and play with some integrity. Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rule - why is okay for some to break the rules and others not? There are alot of kids who could play high school lacrosse but do not because there are rules in place that do not allow it. They apply to this boy too.

There are very few 8th graders in the HOCO league that could play high school lacrosse. Every team in the HOCO league probably has holdbacks, so all of them are breaking the rules. No, two wrongs do not make a right, but they are all guilty.

You leave out the fact that the holdbacks aren't breaking any rules. I know, I know. "The Spirit of the Game"

Being that the league is grade based, there are no rules being broken by them. However, the league does explicitly state if you play on a high school team, you can't play in the league.

Here is the exact wording from the HOCO rules/guidelines:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player�s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation."

The argument can be made that a 16 year old 8th grader is not normal progression of school to graduation. That is violating and breaking the grade base rule/guidelines. Plus, a play with words regarding a player who plays HS while playing in the HOCO league: "should not be eligible for 8th grade/U15 competition in the same season." Notice is says "should" and not "is not eligible" or "you can't play". Was this written in order to allow some wiggle room? Same can be said for normal progression, that could have been worded better.
I didn't write these, have no idea who did or who had input but the argument could be made on both, as they are weakly worded.

Oh please. That is a leap on both accounts.

Well I just read rhe above and it could be feasible. Nothing surprises me with the HOCO league this year. Anything is possible. You must be a woman with your oh please. How dainty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I just read rhe above and it could be feasible. Nothing surprises me with the HOCO league this year. Anything is possible. You must be a woman with your oh please. How dainty.

Not feasible at all. Cop out.

At least the Looney's kid is an on age 8th grader. He is playing UP in HS. The Crabs on the other hand - well - we all know their approach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least the Looney's kid is an on age 8th grader. He is playing UP in HS. The Crabs on the other hand - well - we all know their approach.

Yeah. It's the same approach all teams have. Pick the best 23 kids in that grade that show up at tryouts. Sorry more of them don't want to play for your club.

I agree. All the other HOCO elite 2020 teams have roughly the same mix of kids with some on age kids and some holdbacks, except for the Crabs. The Crabs kids that are "technically" 8th graders but are turning 16 just don't belong in the league. Yes none of this will matter next year when these older Crabs players have to compete with players their own size and age. Of course these wonderful Crabs players look good against players 2 years younger. If these older Crabs players were in HS they'd be completely ordinary competing against players their own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least the Looney's kid is an on age 8th grader. He is playing UP in HS. The Crabs on the other hand - well - we all know their approach.

Two different rules being broken. Breaking one does not make it okay to break the other or try to justify it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least the Looney's kid is an on age 8th grader. He is playing UP in HS. The Crabs on the other hand - well - we all know their approach.

Two different rules being broken. Breaking one does not make it okay to break the other or try to justify it.

But the fact is that grade base violations, in the true spirit of grade base, is being overlooked yet there are some on here who want to cruse the player and Looney's for them playing the FOGO. Can't have it that way, wither both get called out and changed or leave it alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least the Looney's kid is an on age 8th grader. He is playing UP in HS. The Crabs on the other hand - well - we all know their approach.

Two different rules being broken. Breaking one does not make it okay to break the other or try to justify it.

But the fact is that grade base violations, in the true spirit of grade base, is being overlooked yet there are some on here who want to cruse the player and Looney's for them playing the FOGO. Can't have it that way, wither both get called out and changed or leave it alone.

Why? Why compound the mess? He should not be playing. Period. It is no shocker that the number 1 and 2 teams in the elite division are masters at breaking rules. Hmmmm wonder why Hoco lets them get a pass?

Top two but really not that good considering it's holdback central.

Somebody better call for a Wambulance stat. Someone's going to die from this much whining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top two but really not that good considering it's holdback central.

. Only Crabs is holdback central with at least 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks. Looney's has maybe 2 or 3 and all for academic reasons. Nothing like Crabs. Where it is their standard operation. Should have your facts correct before spouting out what you think. Also don't forget, all 2020 elite have holdbacks but again, no one is close to Crabs.

or if you are RM - a hamburger

Funny how some dads only can resort to the Crabs guy's waistline. I guess there's nothing else to say if his teams keep beating yours.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top two but really not that good considering it's holdback central.

. Only Crabs is holdback central with at least 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks. Looney's has maybe 2 or 3 and all for academic reasons. Nothing like Crabs. Where it is their standard operation. Should have your facts correct before spouting out what you think. Also don't forget, all 2020 elite have holdbacks but again, no one is close to Crabs.

And then there is this about Looneys... Hoco should not allow Looneys to be breaking the rules. Applies to the Fogo that plays on a high school team in Florida and flies up for certain games.Whatever your excuse... Looneys is still breaking a rule they dont like.

Truth hurts - he is fat, obnoxious guy who never played the game and games the system by filling his teams with reclassified players. He wins because he cheats. No other reason. On age his 2020 team wouldn't be anywhere near the 2020 elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how some dads only can resort to the Crabs guy's waistline. I guess there's nothing else to say if his teams keep beating yours.

Lets face it, the guy is a total cheat, manipulator and has a low lacrosse IQ. He is disgusting to watch coach, he belittles his players during the game, yelling thing to them that should not be said to a player.
He is also king of the holdback system. His 2020 team is loaded, and I mean loaded, with at least 10 and a few double holdbacks. His team is funny to watch, they are as big as a high school team. Oh, that's right, the majority of his team should be in high school. How pathetic.
Plus, this guy is overweight, that you can't miss. But I could care less about his weight, I dislike the man for the bad he has brought to youth lacrosse. He is a pathetic individual when it comes to lacrosse. How he is in other areas of his life, I have no idea and don't care. So now all the Crab dads and fans will start their pushback that it isn't true blah blah blah. The parents are just as bad for going along with his lacrosse business operation. All for the money and ego, that is what Ryan is focused on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how some dads only can resort to the Crabs guy's waistline. I guess there's nothing else to say if his teams keep beating yours.

Lets face it, the guy is a total cheat, manipulator and has a low lacrosse IQ. He is disgusting to watch coach, he belittles his players during the game, yelling thing to them that should not be said to a player.
He is also king of the holdback system. His 2020 team is loaded, and I mean loaded, with at least 10 and a few double holdbacks. His team is funny to watch, they are as big as a high school team. Oh, that's right, the majority of his team should be in high school. How pathetic.
Plus, this guy is overweight, that you can't miss. But I could care less about his weight, I dislike the man for the bad he has brought to youth lacrosse. He is a pathetic individual when it comes to lacrosse. How he is in other areas of his life, I have no idea and don't care. So now all the Crab dads and fans will start their pushback that it isn't true blah blah blah. The parents are just as bad for going along with his lacrosse business operation. All for the money and ego, that is what Ryan is focused on.

The reality is that Hoco could have stood behind their rules with respect to Crabs but caved so he must have some control over their league too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how some dads only can resort to the Crabs guy's waistline. I guess there's nothing else to say if his teams keep beating yours.

When you have talented players, you challenge them, not demote them to play younger kids. Talent never plays down. What is wrong with you parents that cannot see your kid is being taken advantage of by a man for his ego and wallet? Who really believes playing down is what a truly talented player, in any sport does? Challenge your kid and they will go a lot further than what is being offered. It's a shame and embarrassment to see so many parents falling prey to this. Never derail your kids life for a sport. Get good grades and play up and more opportunity and money will come their way.

People are moronic. Do you really think they would ban all holdbacks (crabs and others) and the looneys kid in this league? If you are not challenging yourself against the best 8th graders what is the point of being in an "elite" league. You get better by playing against the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny how some dads only can resort to the Crabs guy's waistline. I guess there's nothing else to say if his teams keep beating yours.

When you have talented players, you challenge them, not demote them to play younger kids. Talent never plays down. What is wrong with you parents that cannot see your kid is being taken advantage of by a man for his ego and wallet? Who really believes playing down is what a truly talented player, in any sport does? Challenge your kid and they will go a lot further than what is being offered. It's a shame and embarrassment to see so many parents falling prey to this. Never derail your kids life for a sport. Get good grades and play up and more opportunity and money will come their way.

You are correct that playing up is better for the kids game. But being held back is way way way way better for this college commitment game. And by the list of 2018, and 2019 D1 college commits the Holdback kids and parents are winning this game by a land slide. We can argue that these early commits mean nothing but that is TBD with these new early commit classes. So until these classes of early kids hit the college scene and they have to fail then the holdbacks will slow down or stop, But if these held back kids get to college and play well as a whole then the hold backs will never go anywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are moronic. Do you really think they would ban all holdbacks (crabs and others) and the looneys kid in this league? If you are not challenging yourself against the best 8th graders what is the point of being in an "elite" league. You get better by playing against the best.

Flaw in that logic is the kids in question are not the best. The on age kids playing in the elite brackets are the best. The Looneys, crabs etc. holdbacks just look better because they are currently bigger, stronger, faster but they are also cowards for not being good enough and having to play down against younger kids. The on age kids on their teams are just as bad as they can not win without surrounding themselves with those playing down. Guilty by association. They are being enabled by what is supposed to be an objective league which has proven they have no objectivity when it comes to certain things and teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are moronic. Do you really think they would ban all holdbacks (crabs and others) and the looneys kid in this league? If you are not challenging yourself against the best 8th graders what is the point of being in an "elite" league. You get better by playing against the best.

Flaw in that logic is the kids in question are not the best. The on age kids playing in the elite brackets are the best. The Looneys, crabs etc. holdbacks just look better because they are currently bigger, stronger, faster but they are also cowards for not being good enough and having to play down against younger kids. The on age kids on their teams are just as bad as they can not win without surrounding themselves with those playing down. Guilty by association. They are being enabled by what is supposed to be an objective league which has proven they have no objectivity when it comes to certain things and teams.

. What you need to realize is that every team in the elite 2020 HOCO division has holdbacks, everyone of them. Crabs has way more than the others, around 12 to 14 while other teams, including Looney's, have about 2 to 3 on average. It doesn't stop there, all 2020 teams have some holdbacks, it is just unfortunately part of the grade base system. So, following your logic, all of these players, holdbacks and on age are all cowards. Sorry, your logic is flawed.

Grade based league with an age cutoff is the simplest solution to put an end to the gaming of the system by a certain few. Eventually this will stop. in the meantime watch how the normal sized (I assume age appropriate) migrate to the 2021 team after HOCO is complete. What a wonderful sport this is....

Don't even try to paint every teams "Holdbacks" with the same brush as the crabs. If there are kids that did a pre-first or started late that is one thing. It is a completely different thing to play on a 2019 and then repeat 8th grade and play on a 2020 team. That is the Crabs way it and that approach is a cowardly way to operate. Grade based with an age cutoff would stop this nonsense,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are moronic. Do you really think they would ban all holdbacks (crabs and others) and the looneys kid in this league? If you are not challenging yourself against the best 8th graders what is the point of being in an "elite" league. You get better by playing against the best.

Flaw in that logic is the kids in question are not the best. The on age kids playing in the elite brackets are the best. The Looneys, crabs etc. holdbacks just look better because they are currently bigger, stronger, faster but they are also cowards for not being good enough and having to play down against younger kids. The on age kids on their teams are just as bad as they can not win without surrounding themselves with those playing down. Guilty by association. They are being enabled by what is supposed to be an objective league which has proven they have no objectivity when it comes to certain things and teams.

. What you need to realize is that every team in the elite 2020 HOCO division has holdbacks, everyone of them. Crabs has way more than the others, around 12 to 14 while other teams, including Looney's, have about 2 to 3 on average. It doesn't stop there, all 2020 teams have some holdbacks, it is just unfortunately part of the grade base system. So, following your logic, all of these players, holdbacks and on age are all cowards. Sorry, your logic is flawed.

If a child is over a certain age that is outside the "normal progression" of K, 1,2,3....without repeating a grade and went to school using the ages of the state they reside in, then they have no business playing with kids a year or two younger in a grade based league. No other sport allows this. Most teams would gladly accept an age based restriction on their teams and have nothing to fear as they have only one holdback, maybe two so to lose those kids would not impact the success rate of the their overall team. Teams that take advantage of the system can not say that so they attack the approach that demonstrates good sportsmanship and character constantly.

LOL. My son is in college now and we played against Crabs many times when club lacrosse was age based for youth. Without holdbacks, the Crabs were just as excellent then as they are now. They get great talent and they coach them well.

It's one thing to complain about the holdbacks that are everywhere in lax nowadays. But singling out Crabs is just about jealousy. FCA, Madlax, Looney's, et al. have just as many holdbacks. As does Duke's, Mesa and other clubs.

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't even try to paint every teams "Holdbacks" with the same brush as the crabs. If there are kids that did a pre-first or started late that is one thing. It is a completely different thing to play on a 2019 and then repeat 8th grade and play on a 2020 team. That is the Crabs way it and that approach is a cowardly way to operate. Grade based with an age cutoff would stop this nonsense,

You're an idiot. A lot of the Crabs holdbacks were previously on the 2019 team as they were playing up a grade(or two). Very few of the kids on Crabs 2020 this year are repeating 8th grade this year. There are just as many, if not more, 8th grade repeats on other teams than Crabs.

You have no idea what you are talking about so you just make stuff up. All teams in 2020 Elite have holdbacks. All of them. Trying to rationalize that Crabs has more so they are the ones cheating is stupid. If they are cheating, all the teams are cheating. There is no number of holdbacks that make it ok or not ok. You can't be a little bit pregnant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. My son is in college now and we played against Crabs many times when club lacrosse was age based for youth. Without holdbacks, the Crabs were just as excellent then as they are now. They get great talent and they coach them well.

It's one thing to complain about the holdbacks that are everywhere in lax nowadays. But singling out Crabs is just about jealousy. FCA, Madlax, Looney's, et al. have just as many holdbacks. As does Duke's, Mesa and other clubs.

Thank you. People act like Crabs started playing Club lacrosse three years ago when it went grade-based. Crabs has been the best club in Maryland, without question, for at least a decade. Saying they only win because of holdbacks is just an excuse for why teams lose to them. What was their excuse when it was age based and Crabs beat them?

More holdbacks than Crabs? Are you out of your mind? There is a difference when a kid did pre-first vs. systematically platoon reclassifying kids after they have played a full year in 8th grade. Look what they did at Beach Lax and look what happened In Denver without their holdbacks. Many kids on the 2020 team will be on the 2021 team in the summer. It's just how fat crab rolls. Own it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. My son is in college now and we played against Crabs many times when club lacrosse was age based for youth. Without holdbacks, the Crabs were just as excellent then as they are now. They get great talent and they coach them well.

It's one thing to complain about the holdbacks that are everywhere in lax nowadays. But singling out Crabs is just about jealousy. FCA, Madlax, Looney's, et al. have just as many holdbacks. As does Duke's, Mesa and other clubs.

Thank you. People act like Crabs started playing Club lacrosse three years ago when it went grade-based. Crabs has been the best club in Maryland, without question, for at least a decade. Saying they only win because of holdbacks is just an excuse for why teams lose to them. What was their excuse when it was age based and Crabs beat them?

Well you answered your own question. We did not talk bad about them when it was age based. We just said man that team is really really good. Now we say they are really really old and it sucks to lose to kids 2 years older then me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

You can hate the Crabs, but that is a stupid statement. Without the kids who were heldback, the Crabs were the best team out there except for 91 Crush.

Rail against grade base youth teams, holdbacks, etc. But saying that the Crabs 2020 team would suck without the holdbacks is idiotic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

You can hate the Crabs, but that is a stupid statement. Without the kids who were heldback, the Crabs were the best team out there except for 91 Crush.

Rail against grade base youth teams, holdbacks, etc. But saying that the Crabs 2020 team would suck without the holdbacks is idiotic.

They are not second only to crush without their holdbacks. They have had ot and one point games when using their holdbacks which means without holdbacks jsut another good team. Try it and see what happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

You can hate the Crabs, but that is a stupid statement. Without the kids who were heldback, the Crabs were the best team out there except for 91 Crush.

Rail against grade base youth teams, holdbacks, etc. But saying that the Crabs 2020 team would suck without the holdbacks is idiotic.

This has been discussed before but I guess we need to point it out again. The Denver team lost to a couple of teams in the weeks leading up the world series. Without holdbacks they would still be a very good team but part of a large group of very good 2020 teams. Holdbacks make a huge difference, to claim the they would be just as good without them is delusional. Denver was proof of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. My son is in college now and we played against Crabs many times when club lacrosse was age based for youth. Without holdbacks, the Crabs were just as excellent then as they are now. They get great talent and they coach them well.

It's one thing to complain about the holdbacks that are everywhere in lax nowadays. But singling out Crabs is just about jealousy. FCA, Madlax, Looney's, et al. have just as many holdbacks. As does Duke's, Mesa and other clubs.

Thank you. People act like Crabs started playing Club lacrosse three years ago when it went grade-based. Crabs has been the best club in Maryland, without question, for at least a decade. Saying they only win because of holdbacks is just an excuse for why teams lose to them. What was their excuse when it was age based and Crabs beat them?

Well you answered your own question. We did not talk bad about them when it was age based. We just said man that team is really really good. Now we say they are really really old and it sucks to lose to kids 2 years older then me.

He did answer his own question ..and he totally doesn not get the anger directed at Crabs. It is due to the allowing holdbacks in youth lacrosse. Crabs have always had good talent.
But when club lacrosse exploded in MD. Crabs took advantage of Grade base and MIAA prefirst/holdbacks. Many find the allowing of select kids (prefirst/holdback) in Youth lacrosse totally against all that youth athletics stand for. many feel the Crabs are a HUGE proponent of it. Expect this to continue to be an issue as no other sport is even close to allowing select kids play down due to holding them back. Youth Lacrosse is a cesspool right now due to this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't even try to paint every teams "Holdbacks" with the same brush as the crabs. If there are kids that did a pre-first or started late that is one thing. It is a completely different thing to play on a 2019 and then repeat 8th grade and play on a 2020 team. That is the Crabs way it and that approach is a cowardly way to operate. Grade based with an age cutoff would stop this nonsense,

You're an idiot. A lot of the Crabs holdbacks were previously on the 2019 team as they were playing up a grade(or two). Very few of the kids on Crabs 2020 this year are repeating 8th grade this year. There are just as many, if not more, 8th grade repeats on other teams than Crabs.

You have no idea what you are talking about so you just make stuff up. All teams in 2020 Elite have holdbacks. All of them. Trying to rationalize that Crabs has more so they are the ones cheating is stupid. If they are cheating, all the teams are cheating. There is no number of holdbacks that make it ok or not ok. You can't be a little bit pregnant.

You sir are way beyond being an idiot. Crabs 2020 is loaded with holdbacks, by everyone's count 10 and 2 double holdbacks. Don't even try and give us this BS that present players played up on the 2019 team, that never happened and never will happen in the Crab organization. One of the double holdbacks, a middie, played 2 years on 2019 and now he is on the 2020 team. Most of Crabs repeat 7th grade, like the kid from Severn who transferred to BL and repeated 7th grade.
There is no other 2020 elite team that has anywhere near the amount of holdbacks than Crabs has. It is the way Ryan M works and manipulates the grade base system, both for his ego and money.
The Crabs organization is the cesspool of youth lacrosse and their leader and the parents are all in the cesspool with Ryan. But your [lacrosse] statements railing about other clubs and pushing it away from Crabs is typical for a Crabs parent/fan.
We all know the story of Crabs, the number of holdbacks on the 2020 team and most people can name the players and their ages. Some are 16 or about to turn 16 this spring. How pathetic, 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. Must make you proud. Don't try to cover it up, we know what is happening and we know the truth. Now, do you want to start on Crabs 2021 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. My son is in college now and we played against Crabs many times when club lacrosse was age based for youth. Without holdbacks, the Crabs were just as excellent then as they are now. They get great talent and they coach them well.

It's one thing to complain about the holdbacks that are everywhere in lax nowadays. But singling out Crabs is just about jealousy. FCA, Madlax, Looney's, et al. have just as many holdbacks. As does Duke's, Mesa and other clubs.

Thank you. People act like Crabs started playing Club lacrosse three years ago when it went grade-based. Crabs has been the best club in Maryland, without question, for at least a decade. Saying they only win because of holdbacks is just an excuse for why teams lose to them. What was their excuse when it was age based and Crabs beat them?

That's easy, when is was age base I am sure Ryan McClernan had it figured out how to cheat and get around that system also. That man cannot do an honest thing when it comes to Crabs and youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

You can hate the Crabs, but that is a stupid statement. Without the kids who were heldback, the Crabs were the best team out there except for 91 Crush.

Rail against grade base youth teams, holdbacks, etc. But saying that the Crabs 2020 team would suck without the holdbacks is idiotic.

No it isn't, it is a correct statement. Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be playing in the 2020A division because if they played in 2020 elite without holdbacks they would get the crap beat out of them. Face the truth and try to live in the real world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

You can hate the Crabs, but that is a stupid statement. Without the kids who were heldback, the Crabs were the best team out there except for 91 Crush.

Rail against grade base youth teams, holdbacks, etc. But saying that the Crabs 2020 team would suck without the holdbacks is idiotic.

This has been discussed before but I guess we need to point it out again. The Denver team lost to a couple of teams in the weeks leading up the world series. Without holdbacks they would still be a very good team but part of a large group of very good 2020 teams. Holdbacks make a huge difference, to claim the they would be just as good without them is delusional. Denver was proof of that.

What was the score in Denver last summer 19 to 2 or something like that. Crabs without holdbacks were completely embarrassed by an on age team. Just proves the point, without holdbacks Crabs is just average at best.

I though one of the reasons we went to a grade base system was because 15u, 13u, and 11u had the same age related issues....Is this new rule from US lacrosse now going to have us make teams at 15u,14u,13u,12u,11u etc....How is that going to work? How can them make club teams comply with that?

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

Are you [lacrosse]? Your stupid post makes no sense.... Stay of the meth please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

I'm so right I'll post it twice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Quit you belly aching....If you a guy I feel sorry for your wife marrying such a feminine man.....[lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

You can hate the Crabs, but that is a stupid statement. Without the kids who were heldback, the Crabs were the best team out there except for 91 Crush.

Rail against grade base youth teams, holdbacks, etc. But saying that the Crabs 2020 team would suck without the holdbacks is idiotic.

This has been discussed before but I guess we need to point it out again. The Denver team lost to a couple of teams in the weeks leading up the world series. Without holdbacks they would still be a very good team but part of a large group of very good 2020 teams. Holdbacks make a huge difference, to claim the they would be just as good without them is delusional. Denver was proof of that.

What was the score in Denver last summer 19 to 2 or something like that. Crabs without holdbacks were completely embarrassed by an on age team. Just proves the point, without holdbacks Crabs is just average at best.

Sorry you son is weak and plays on a crappy team...Man up and get his some training or even better...Get off the couch and help him be a better player so he can play for the teams you mentioned..... Totally week to sit back on an anymous forumn and throw stone...[lacrosse] off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. My son is in college now and we played against Crabs many times when club lacrosse was age based for youth. Without holdbacks, the Crabs were just as excellent then as they are now. They get great talent and they coach them well.

It's one thing to complain about the holdbacks that are everywhere in lax nowadays. But singling out Crabs is just about jealousy. FCA, Madlax, Looney's, et al. have just as many holdbacks. As does Duke's, Mesa and other clubs.

It's really all they talk about on the site....Rather boring.....It's more fun to mess with people and bust their chops

You guys make me laugh. No one is "playing down" as the league is grade based. Go play in MYLA if you want to be age based. If your son is playing in one of the Elite divisions, be proud of him. He is playing with and against some of the best players in the country in his grade. All the teams in the Elite divisions have holdbacks, so singling any team out is a useless exercise. Don't be high and mighty and act like your club wouldn't take the holdback kids on Crabs in a heartbeat if they wanted to change to your club. It's disingenuous. It all boils down to the fact that Crabs wins a lot. Considering it's middle school, who really cares? Is your son getting better playing with and against holdbacks? Of course he is and that's really what should matter, not a frigging free t-shirt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys make me laugh. No one is "playing down" as the league is grade based. Go play in MYLA if you want to be age based. If your son is playing in one of the Elite divisions, be proud of him. He is playing with and against some of the best players in the country in his grade. All the teams in the Elite divisions have holdbacks, so singling any team out is a useless exercise. Don't be high and mighty and act like your club wouldn't take the holdback kids on Crabs in a heartbeat if they wanted to change to your club. It's disingenuous. It all boils down to the fact that Crabs wins a lot. Considering it's middle school, who really cares? Is your son getting better playing with and against holdbacks? Of course he is and that's really what should matter, not a frigging free t-shirt.

Perfect...Finally a post not to mess with...Thank you for that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL. No other team games the system like Crabs. Looneys and FCA are not even close in terms of the sheer number of holdbacks. Don't even try to deflect that others do it to....

Without holdbacks Crabs 2020 would be mediocre at best.

Please go back to Rec...Your kids teams loose to these teams because they are not as good as these teams period....If you are bitching about the "fairness" of club lacrosse then I really think it's not for you.. Rec might be a better option for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

I'm so right I'll post it twice

Please go back to Rec.....You and your kid do not belong in club if you are complaining about the competitiveness of club....Rec has it's place, and it's a great fit for you. I for one want my kids to play the best competition no matter what age/grade formula. That's why my kids play for great clubs and I don not complain about other clubs when they win... Calling them cheaters is bush league.. Go back to Rec....It needs you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

I'm so right I'll post it twice

Actually a great post...the only ones who take issue with it are Crabs who are guilty and hoco who are the adults letting the non holdbacks down.

The 6 inches taller and 50lbs heavier argument doesn't work because there are plenty of boys that are huge and on age. Can't be angry about kids that are bigger, stronger, and faster then your kid and the same age. All kids mature at different times. If your boy is small for 8th grade...maybe it will flip flop by his senior year in high school. Many of these elite teams "studs" have matured early and the catch up game can be humbling to many of them. When they are juniors and kids they could run by and muscle through easily as 8th graders catch up. Then they have to learn to play at the next level. Many won't make this transition. Seen it for years. Just sit back, enjoy the game and the experience. Don't worry about holdbacks. Life has plenty of holdback moments. Always gonna be people stacking the odds and positioning for better opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

I'm so right I'll post it twice

Please go back to Rec.....You and your kid do not belong in club if you are complaining about the competitiveness of club....Rec has it's place, and it's a great fit for you. I for one want my kids to play the best competition no matter what age/grade formula. That's why my kids play for great clubs and I don not complain about other clubs when they win... Calling them cheaters is bush league.. Go back to Rec....It needs you

The problem is that you are playing down effectively forcing everyone else to play up. You do not get to make that choice for all the other kids. It is not competitiveness - most on age boys in the elite division have superior stick skills and lacrosse IQ then the hold backs who simply brute force their way through. If that is not the case in your opinion, then go play where you belong - 9th and 10 th grade as opposed to ruining a league and telling those who belong to go back to rec. YOU ruined the league and grade based lacrosse - not the on age kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

I'm so right I'll post it twice

Please go back to Rec.....You and your kid do not belong in club if you are complaining about the competitiveness of club....Rec has it's place, and it's a great fit for you. I for one want my kids to play the best competition no matter what age/grade formula. That's why my kids play for great clubs and I don not complain about other clubs when they win... Calling them cheaters is bush league.. Go back to Rec....It needs you

Such an original response from the people ruining youth lacrosse. Go collect your trophies and tell your man boys how wonderful they are for beating up on younger kids and then tell them you did it to them to make up for their inability to compete with the grade they belong.

No is complaining about the competitiveness of club lacrosse. What people are complaining about is when 2020 teams have kids on the roster that are 16 years old. Yes - Crabs this means you. Can't compete - repeat.

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 6 inches taller and 50lbs heavier argument doesn't work because there are plenty of boys that are huge and on age. Can't be angry about kids that are bigger, stronger, and faster then your kid and the same age. All kids mature at different times. If your boy is small for 8th grade...maybe it will flip flop by his senior year in high school. Many of these elite teams "studs" have matured early and the catch up game can be humbling to many of them. When they are juniors and kids they could run by and muscle through easily as 8th graders catch up. Then they have to learn to play at the next level. Many won't make this transition. Seen it for years. Just sit back, enjoy the game and the experience. Don't worry about holdbacks. Life has plenty of holdback moments. Always gonna be people stacking the odds and positioning for better opportunities.

This is YOUTH lacrosse. Kids as large as the holdbacks are the exception to the rule and maybe 6-10 spread out among the 40 2020 teams. You are putting kids in danger and at a disadvantage by adding more kids high school size to the field. There is no justification for it - ever. The one off large player can be worked around 6-10 on a team can not be worked around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys make me laugh. No one is "playing down" as the league is grade based. Go play in MYLA if you want to be age based. If your son is playing in one of the Elite divisions, be proud of him. He is playing with and against some of the best players in the country in his grade. All the teams in the Elite divisions have holdbacks, so singling any team out is a useless exercise. Don't be high and mighty and act like your club wouldn't take the holdback kids on Crabs in a heartbeat if they wanted to change to your club. It's disingenuous. It all boils down to the fact that Crabs wins a lot. Considering it's middle school, who really cares? Is your son getting better playing with and against holdbacks? Of course he is and that's really what should matter, not a frigging free t-shirt.

Perfect...Finally a post not to mess with...Thank you for that!

Nobody cares about a tee shirt except maybe the Crabs and Looneys who will do anything for a win including distort the whole purpose of youth lacrosse. Don't lecture the people that are doing it correctly - there are some teams out there still that have a shred of integrity and are not all about winning all the time. Afterall as you said - this is middle school lacrosse and these people have their kids repeat grades in middle school and then expect everyone else to just accept it. Get a grip on that desperate measure in middle school. It has nothing to do with the Crabs winning alot - their wins actually mean nothing as any good 2019 team could beat most 2020 elite teams just due to the size difference between 13 and 15 year old boys who have not yet hit puberty yet. It is also about right and wrong and safety and the fact that the sport has become a cesspool because of people who think like the above poster but it is actually useless because those who are doing this always have an excuse for their little johnny and always will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

If these kids have to play down in order to be seen then they are not good enough for their own age group and are the ones that probably belong in rec - in their proper age group. Talk about a major elitist attitude. You must have one of the kids that have to play down to be relevant. This is not offering more competition - that is just bullying your way through the truly talented kids who have not yet had their growth spurt. Spin it anyway you like - true talent plays up. You are not even playing with your own age group much less up and explain it away that you are offering more competition to the kids that belong in the grade. What a joke. If you can't win with your own age, then you do not belong on the field with younger kids to make yourself feel like a winner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

I'm so right I'll post it twice

Please go back to Rec.....You and your kid do not belong in club if you are complaining about the competitiveness of club....Rec has it's place, and it's a great fit for you. I for one want my kids to play the best competition no matter what age/grade formula. That's why my kids play for great clubs and I don not complain about other clubs when they win... Calling them cheaters is bush league.. Go back to Rec....It needs you

Such an original response from the people ruining youth lacrosse. Go collect your trophies and tell your man boys how wonderful they are for beating up on younger kids and then tell them you did it to them to make up for their inability to compete with the grade they belong.

Ahh....Thank you for clearing this up. Now I understand; as you say....

"you and your kid do not belong in club if you are complaining about the competitiveness of club.

This is rich on several levels.

First, while my son participates on two club teams (one of which plays in the HOCO 2021 Elite Division), I do not and I do not pretend to �belong in club�. I am a little old for club lacrosse and I suspect you are too. Seems like someone might be living a bit vicariously through their son (hint it�s not me).

Second, from your comment, I gather I cannot complain because (as you say) competition "...no matter what age/grade formula..." (and against kids who are playing down), is always good and builds character (after all, we are all men but some of us are more manly than others). If playing up and seeking the best competition you can is �good� what does this say about the hold backs and their coaches and parents who actively are seeking to have their sons and their teams play against younger, less competitive teams? Are they seeking the "best competition," or they seeking the best record for a trophy and bragging rights?

Third, is your son a hold back? If so, using your own argument, perhaps you and your son do not belong in club lacrosse since that would presumably mean that you and your son are not seeking the best competition.

He just dropped the mic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

So glad we have people like you post about this issue. It just reinforces the disgust the MAJORITY of people who have sons playing YOUTH lacrosse feel. Frankly the Majority of people you ask that have been involved in Youth lacrosse feel the same disgust. Anyone with common sense knows this is wrong at youth level. But we will always have people like you and RM to let us know different. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CRABS 2020 through 6th grade lost to VLC, Rough Riders, Loonies, Rising Sons and Team Ninety One. 7th Grade they lost to Loonies, Edge, Team 91. 8th grade they haven't lost to anyone yet and probably wont. They went from 3 holdbacks in 6th grade to over 10 in 8th grade...there is a prytern....more holdbacks...less losses..they know what they are doing.

The farce in all of this is that if your son is on age and is playing in either the 2021, or 2020 Hoco "Elite Divisions" he is effectively "playing up," against boys one to two years older. This is not by choice, but because the dominant teams are loaded with hold backs who are choosing to play down. The result is predictable and dangerous and the adults who theoretically are responsible (and even more theoretically should care) do and say nothing and pretend that this is nothing more than healthy competition.

The "big boys" win by literally running over their opponents; not because of their athletic skill, but due to their size and bulk. A 6 inch difference in height and 50 pound difference in weight are decisive advantages, particularly when that is replicated across an entire team.

Please do not recycle the argument that its "almost" high school where there is a four year age span. It may "almost" be high school, but it is still supposed to be youth lacrosse.

I'm so right I'll post it twice

Please go back to Rec.....You and your kid do not belong in club if you are complaining about the competitiveness of club....Rec has it's place, and it's a great fit for you. I for one want my kids to play the best competition no matter what age/grade formula. That's why my kids play for great clubs and I don not complain about other clubs when they win... Calling them cheaters is bush league.. Go back to Rec....It needs you

Such an original response from the people ruining youth lacrosse. Go collect your trophies and tell your man boys how wonderful they are for beating up on younger kids and then tell them you did it to them to make up for their inability to compete with the grade they belong.

Ahh....Thank you for clearing this up. Now I understand; as you say....

"you and your kid do not belong in club if you are complaining about the competitiveness of club.

This is rich on several levels.

First, while my son participates on two club teams (one of which plays in the HOCO 2021 Elite Division), I do not and I do not pretend to �belong in club�. I am a little old for club lacrosse and I suspect you are too. Seems like someone might be living a bit vicariously through their son (hint it�s not me).

Second, from your comment, I gather I cannot complain because (as you say) competition "...no matter what age/grade formula..." (and against kids who are playing down), is always good and builds character (after all, we are all men but some of us are more manly than others). If playing up and seeking the best competition you can is �good� what does this say about the hold backs and their coaches and parents who actively are seeking to have their sons and their teams play against younger, less competitive teams? Are they seeking the "best competition," or they seeking the best record for a trophy and bragging rights?

Third, is your son a hold back? If so, using your own argument, perhaps you and your son do not belong in club lacrosse since that would presumably mean that you and your son are not seeking the best competition.

Man it must be tough to climb down from that high horse of yours.....Your really full of yourself (as I would say)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

So glad we have people like you post about this issue. It just reinforces the disgust the MAJORITY of people who have sons playing YOUTH lacrosse feel. Frankly the Majority of people you ask that have been involved in Youth lacrosse feel the same disgust. Anyone with common sense knows this is wrong at youth level. But we will always have people like you and RM to let us know different. LOL

Yup and the majority of kids playing club lacrosse right now should be playing Rec...I get the guys point totally.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Nope, not a female, but I heard your wife does, after she does 5 day workers from Home Depot on a daily basis. Guess the money helps pay the Crabs fees for your elite kid. Now you know the rest of the story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out.

/quote] Man it must be tough to climb down from that high horse of yours.....Your really full of yourself (as I would say)[/quote]

The poster is just pointing out the usual bs logic of Crab and holdback parents. And again, you react with insults.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

BOTC, are you seriously going to allow this misogynistic and homophobic drivel on your forum? This is uncalled for.

Any chance Crabs 2020 loses a game in HOCO? lol

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

[/quote] Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.[/quote]

Wow. What a thoughtful response and so literate. By the way that would be "too" not "to." Spell much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out.

Keep posting your dumb holdback comments and just going to destroy you every time you comment....You make yourself look stupid because your claims are full of lies and half truths....Get over yourself.....Oh and boy the way my kid plays baseball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out.

Whatever lady...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out.

Whatever lady...

Predictable.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out. [/quote]

Whatever lady...[/quote]

Really, is that the best you can do? You realize that you have just proved the poster right. You are such an a## that you can only respond with silly insults.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out.

Whatever lady...

Another typical Crab response, maybe this is from fat Crab daddy's wife.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out.

Keep posting your dumb holdback comments and just going to destroy you every time you comment....You make yourself look stupid because your claims are full of lies and half truths....Get over yourself.....Oh and boy the way my kid plays baseball

We could care less what you kid plays. Comments on this forum about holdbacks and in particular Crabs holdbacks, are on point, accurate and timely. You seem to be the one looking stupid, your kid plays baseball and here you are on a youth lacrosse forum making stupid statements. You are the one that needs to get over themselves, but doubt that will happen, you seem to be full of yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

Are you ten? The person who posted is 100% correct. As usual, a holdback parent always comes back with insults when the flaws in their logic are pointed out.

Keep posting your dumb holdback comments and just going to destroy you every time you comment....You make yourself look stupid because your claims are full of lies and half truths....Get over yourself.....Oh and boy the way my kid plays baseball

We could care less what you kid plays. Comments on this forum about holdbacks and in particular Crabs holdbacks, are on point, accurate and timely. You seem to be the one looking stupid, your kid plays baseball and here you are on a youth lacrosse forum making stupid statements. You are the one that needs to get over themselves, but doubt that will happen, you seem to be full of yourself.

We??? Like you speak for an army or something....I bet you get your poop pushed in to

There is a reason why Crabs does not have B teams...Just Elite AA teams....Why??? So they don't have to deal with parents of kids that think they are better than they are and claim everyone is cheating......Your arguments go to deaf ears because you are all cowards posting malicious things about a club and their administration...No one from Crabs reads this crap or cares what you are posting...Your wasting your breath...Please return your child to Rec...Thanks

Make your assumptions about me as well. Call big fat Crabs Dad blah blah blah...I have nothing to do with Crabs but so tired of these dumb posts. How about posting something for the betterment of youth lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong...How can you complain about competing whether its older or younger...Quit complaining...If your kid belonged then you would not be complaining....Go back to Rec....Everyone plays....Equal teams, Everyone gets a trophy...they need you back...Club lacrosse does not...I for one love the competition and that is why we play club lacrosse......Keep your Rec complaints at Rec...Your point is not valid. I want my kids to play the best so they get better... Its does not matter how old they are.....Beliefs that you are always writing about have ruined club lacrosse...How about all of the non-elite teams go back to Rec as well.......Whoever heard of "B" club lacrosse....Ridiculous. AA, A, B teams really??? Those are glorified rec teams....

By your statements and attitude I would guess you are associated with Crabs and if you aren't you should be because the yell out this sh*t on a daily basis. I would also guess your kid is a holdback. Of course you are going to deny it but I know he is, just from your flawed statements.
There is a place for AA, A and B club teams/leagues. I am glad you are not in charge of a youth league, it would surely be a clusterf**k, with you leading the way. It does matter how old kids are in youth lacrosse. Crabs is loaded with 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. You don't learn from that situation nor do you get better. You get better playing against talented players in your own age range, that is how you improve.
You are acting like a total jerk and it is apparent you have no idea what youth lacrosse is about, you feel since your kid (probably a holdback) is playing on an elite team, all other divisions are useless. Perhaps you are one of Crabs lapdogs.

Oh yeah well your acting like a jerk to....God I hope your a female because if your are not I think you get your poop pushed in on a daily basis.

BOTC, are you seriously going to allow this misogynistic and homophobic drivel on your forum? This is uncalled for.

Wow you use big fancy words...Fancy pants

We could care less what you kid plays. Comments on this forum about holdbacks and in particular Crabs holdbacks, are on point, accurate and timely. You seem to be the one looking stupid, your kid plays baseball and here you are on a youth lacrosse forum making stupid statements. You are the one that needs to get over themselves, but doubt that will happen, you seem to be full of yourself.[/quote] We??? Like you speak for an army or something....I bet you get your poop pushed in to [/quote]

Doesn't surprise me you come back with this kind of response. You are proving how much of a low life you are. So to get to your level, not me bud, but I would bet you are up at the home center every morning looking for hookups, you know, the guys looking for day work. How many a day for you? And yes, we as this is a lacrosse and most on here could care less about the your kid playing baseball. Better get to bed now, have to get up early to get the best pick of the day workers. Hope the mods put this thru, a taste of your own medicine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a reason why Crabs does not have B teams...Just Elite AA teams....Why??? So they don't have to deal with parents of kids that think they are better than they are and claim everyone is cheating......Your arguments go to deaf ears because you are all cowards posting malicious things about a club and their administration...No one from Crabs reads this crap or cares what you are posting...Your wasting your breath...Please return your child to Rec...Thanks

Make your assumptions about me as well. Call big fat Crabs Dad blah blah blah...I have nothing to do with Crabs but so tired of these dumb posts. How about posting something for the betterment of youth lacrosse

The best way for the betterment of youth lacrosse is to rid it of Crabs. Period. And if you think Crab parents don't read this message board, you are dreaming. Additionally, perhaps they don't have B teams is that they can't find enough holdbacks and double holdbacks.
If you don't like what is written and stated about Crabs, don't read it, it is not that complicated.

Of course the Crabs read this board. Don't kid yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a reason why Crabs does not have B teams...Just Elite AA teams....Why??? So they don't have to deal with parents of kids that think they are better than they are and claim everyone is cheating......Your arguments go to deaf ears because you are all cowards posting malicious things about a club and their administration...No one from Crabs reads this crap or cares what you are posting...Your wasting your breath...Please return your child to Rec...Thanks

Make your assumptions about me as well. Call big fat Crabs Dad blah blah blah...I have nothing to do with Crabs but so tired of these dumb posts. How about posting something for the betterment of youth lacrosse

The best way for the betterment of youth lacrosse is to rid it of Crabs. Period. And if you think Crab parents don't read this message board, you are dreaming. Additionally, perhaps they don't have B teams is that they can't find enough holdbacks and double holdbacks.
If you don't like what is written and stated about Crabs, don't read it, it is not that complicated.

You're right. It would be thought for crabs to put together two teams from the 200 that show up to tryouts. Idiot.

While this person is a little harsh, he's right that "B" level club lacrosse is a joke. It was never the intent of club lacrosse. Every "B" club team is a money grab. You are getting the same thing you got in rec in terms of coaching for 10-20 times the price. Why do parents pay these people for their kids to go out and play crappy competition with some dad or college kid coaching their sons? It's a status thing that your kid plays club and it's pointless if you are playing "B". "B" club lacrosse is an oxymoron.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a reason why Crabs does not have B teams...Just Elite AA teams....Why??? So they don't have to deal with parents of kids that think they are better than they are and claim everyone is cheating......Your arguments go to deaf ears because you are all cowards posting malicious things about a club and their administration...No one from Crabs reads this crap or cares what you are posting...Your wasting your breath...Please return your child to Rec...Thanks

Make your assumptions about me as well. Call big fat Crabs Dad blah blah blah...I have nothing to do with Crabs but so tired of these dumb posts. How about posting something for the betterment of youth lacrosse

The best way for the betterment of youth lacrosse is to rid it of Crabs. Period. And if you think Crab parents don't read this message board, you are dreaming. Additionally, perhaps they don't have B teams is that they can't find enough holdbacks and double holdbacks.
If you don't like what is written and stated about Crabs, don't read it, it is not that complicated.

You're right. It would be thought for crabs to put together two teams from the 200 that show up to tryouts. Idiot.

While this person is a little harsh, he's right that "B" level club lacrosse is a joke. It was never the intent of club lacrosse. Every "B" club team is a money grab. You are getting the same thing you got in rec in terms of coaching for 10-20 times the price. Why do parents pay these people for their kids to go out and play crappy competition with some dad or college kid coaching their sons? It's a status thing that your kid plays club and it's pointless if you are playing "B". "B" club lacrosse is an oxymoron.

. Sorry Crab dad, but if you read what is written, cannot find enough holdbacks and double holdbacks. They all go to their elite teams, Ryan would need more than 200 or whatever to field double teams. And you just verified Crabs dads/fans do read this forum and they even post on this forum. Too bad you just proved you are the idiot.

The real payoff for holdbacks is not winning youth championships but getting recruited. Y'all will figure that out once little, on age johnny gets passed over by most of the top ten schools in favor of a bigger, stronger, and more mature holdback. By junior year when most kids catch up there are very few good d1 schools left, if any. To me, that's a bigger travesty than any bragging rights in the hoco youth league.

Not to say on age kids don't get recruited, but when there are three middie spots on a school that recruits 8th graders, I bet half (maybe more) go to holdbacks. The other half go to on age long island kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real payoff for holdbacks is not winning youth championships but getting recruited. Y'all will figure that out once little, on age johnny gets passed over by most of the top ten schools in favor of a bigger, stronger, and more mature holdback. By junior year when most kids catch up there are very few good d1 schools left, if any. To me, that's a bigger travesty than any bragging rights in the hoco youth league.

Not to say on age kids don't get recruited, but when there are three middie spots on a school that recruits 8th graders, I bet half (maybe more) go to holdbacks. The other half go to on age long island kids.

So that is your end goal? 5k in scholarship $$ so you as parents can say your child got into a top 10 lacrosse school for 4 years? Not necessarily the top match in college for your child; not the best academic match for your child etc.? Just to say top 10 LACROSSE school? You sacrifice his character for this? Thanks for making it clear for the rest of us - as if you wearing university wanna be gear on the sidelines was not enough of a clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real payoff for holdbacks is not winning youth championships but getting recruited. Y'all will figure that out once little, on age johnny gets passed over by most of the top ten schools in favor of a bigger, stronger, and more mature holdback. By junior year when most kids catch up there are very few good d1 schools left, if any. To me, that's a bigger travesty than any bragging rights in the hoco youth league.

Not to say on age kids don't get recruited, but when there are three middie spots on a school that recruits 8th graders, I bet half (maybe more) go to holdbacks. The other half go to on age long island kids.

Since we all know their names, we will check in with their progress in a few years. Even if they make it to the school of their choice, the likelihood of them playing when the growth all evens out is probably minimal. Strategy that has not yet been proven but perhaps your child can pursue their objective without impacting true youth players?

The post above is in a nutshell what is wrong with youth club lacrosse. A bunch of misguided parents that will do anything to give their Holdback kid an advantage in order to secure a place on a D1 team. It is a sad commentary on this sport and those that allow it to occur.

No, not my end game, all of my kids are on age. I said it was a travesty. I was just providing some perspective to those parents that are upset over losing a middle school game to a bunch of holdbacks, it is even more troubling when your son loses a spot on a roster. There were maybe 4 holdbacks on my sons middle school team, every one of them were recruited before the first on age kid was picked up.

By the way, nobody is in it for the scholarship money.

50% holdbacks and 50% L.I. . You bet nut job. There are plenty of non-L.I. on age players getting attention. I am happy to compare the MIAA against any L.I. Conference.

Lol. Really, the MIAA is literally the poster child for holdbacks. I'm sure there are a lot of on age kids getting attention, but because of early recruiting, schools like unc, uva, syracuse, maryland, penn state etc. favor kids that have been held back. Period. Those are all spots that would have gone to an on age kids. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol. Really, the MIAA is literally the poster child for holdbacks. I'm sure there are a lot of on age kids getting attention, but because of early recruiting, schools like unc, uva, syracuse, maryland, penn state etc. favor kids that have been held back. Period. Those are all spots that would have gone to an on age kids. Period.

Very True..MIAA is holdback/prefirst central. The problem with Lacrosse is that it is a sport that gets many players that are not flat out true athletic kids. Many are pretty decent athletics but very few are the WOW athletes. Those kids go to Football,Basketball, maybe even baseball. The Money Sports.
Lacrosse gets many 5 ft 7 to 6 ft kids that wouldn't make it in high level Football or Basketball. So giving these kids a extra year makes a HUGE difference when they are competing against similar non TOP athletic kids.The true WOW athletes don't need an extra year. The true WOW kid can compete and is better than many of these older holdback kids when competing. Problem is most dont play Lacrosse.
Unfortunately the extra year works ..Especially now with early recruiting at 8th and 9nd grade. Doesnt mean that once these kids get to College it will be an advantage, but for some it is. They will always have an advantage over similar 5-7 to 6 ft players who didnt get the playing time or coaching these holdbacks did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol. Really, the MIAA is literally the poster child for holdbacks. I'm sure there are a lot of on age kids getting attention, but because of early recruiting, schools like unc, uva, syracuse, maryland, penn state etc. favor kids that have been held back. Period. Those are all spots that would have gone to an on age kids. Period.

I bet if you looked at any MIAA team...Over half the starters would be Holdbacks/prefirst kids. And I would bet many teams may even have the majority of starters heldback/prefirst. On Kudda Booker was doing an interview ( couple years ago) with a kid during season in April and it was his Birthday.Asked him how old he was...19...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, not my end game, all of my kids are on age. I said it was a travesty. I was just providing some perspective to those parents that are upset over losing a middle school game to a bunch of holdbacks, it is even more troubling when your son loses a spot on a roster. There were maybe 4 holdbacks on my sons middle school team, every one of them were recruited before the first on age kid was picked up.

By the way, nobody is in it for the scholarship money.

Good post. This in a nutshell is the issue. It is a travesty and it is driven by early recruiting. It will not change unless and until the NCAA changes the recruiting rules (as is being considered right now).

The NCAA is not considering changing rules re: holdbacks. Every sport has them. Stop making up nonsense.

Do your homework. He was referring to early recruiting. The NCAA is looking at limiting contact with a potential recruit until their JR year. Let me guess - your man child will be 17 in the 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol. Really, the MIAA is literally the poster child for holdbacks. I'm sure there are a lot of on age kids getting attention, but because of early recruiting, schools like unc, uva, syracuse, maryland, penn state etc. favor kids that have been held back. Period. Those are all spots that would have gone to an on age kids. Period.

I bet if you looked at any MIAA team...Over half the starters would be Holdbacks/prefirst kids. And I would bet many teams may even have the majority of starters heldback/prefirst. On Kudda Booker was doing an interview ( couple years ago) with a kid during season in April and it was his Birthday.Asked him how old he was...19...

So just because the MIAA schools do it, everyone should go along with it? They are doing it because it fuels their wallets through tuition and alumni donations - not because it is what is best for the kids. There are also a load of public schools kids in maryland, Long Island and nationally that do not participate in the nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NCAA is not considering changing rules re: holdbacks. Every sport has them. Stop making up nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NCAA is not considering changing rules re: holdbacks. Every sport has them. Stop making up nonsense.

[quote=Anonymous]The NCAA is not considering changing rules re: holdbacks. Every sport has them. Stop making up nonsense.[/quote

Obviously NCAA has nothing to do with hold backs, but the hold back nonsense is driven by early recruiting which has everything to do with recruiting. Every sport has hold backs but every sport does not have recruiting in the eighth / ninth grade. There is in fact a proposal before the NCAA to push back recruiting until the 10th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do your homework. He was referring to early recruiting. The NCAA is looking at limiting contact with a potential recruit until their JR year. Let me guess - your man child will be 17 in the 9th grade.

Window dressing....NCAA not likely willing to spend the $$ to police any changes.

It is the combo of ER and holdbacks that makes recruiting so stupid. Furthermore, many of the other sports dont have kids accepting offers in 8/9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is the combo of ER and holdbacks that makes recruiting so stupid. Furthermore, many of the other sports dont have kids accepting offers in 8/9th grade.

Can you even imagine what a SEC football coach would say to someone like RM trying to pitch a "stud" 8th or 9th grader .
It would be Hilarious..

Well if early recruiting was limited you would certainly see a drop in hold backs. The advantage is gone as most boys will be in or through their growth spurts in Jr. Yr. Plus, leaving a kid back that has a chance of being recruited in 9th gr is easier to swallow because of instant gratification and you know where your kid stands playing younger kids. But trying to convince a kid to repeat 8th grade in hopes that they will stand out in 3 yrs against their younger counterparts is much riskier and harder. While I don't see it happening in the next 1-2 yrs, eventually there will be a change to age based play or early recruiting. I especially see this happening when the gamble of an early recruit doesn't pay off like coaches hope.

Bethesda parents..Wow..take it down a notch..Try not to be too much of an [lacrosse](s).. I know it's hard to come off your high horse...

Who came up with the playoff process? Teams 1-3 get automatic bids and 4 & 5 have a play in game on Friday night. Seems like the 4th seed is having to work a little harder even if their record may/may not be better than the 5th seed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who came up with the playoff process? Teams 1-3 get automatic bids and 4 & 5 have a play in game on Friday night. Seems like the 4th seed is having to work a little harder even if their record may/may not be better than the 5th seed.

And one thing we should always makes sure our kids don't do is work hard.

Finish in the top 3 and it won't be a problem.

4th place team is 4-2 and the 5th place team is 1-5 and they get a shot at the playoffs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4th place team is 4-2 and the 5th place team is 1-5 and they get a shot at the playoffs?

And I'm sure HOCO knew that would be the case prior to the season starting. If you are the 4-2 team and playing the 1-5 team what's the concern? Look at is as a warm up game to playing the number 1 seed. God forbid you have to play an extra lacrosse game.

If they knew that was case then they might want to share it before the season starts.

How many teams in 2020 elite get in the playoffs?

4 teams - 4th and 5th place team have a play-in game for the 4th slot. Silly format. Maybe the Crabs should just play amongst themselves for the holdback championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 teams - 4th and 5th place team have a play-in game for the 4th slot. Silly format. Maybe the Crabs should just play amongst themselves for the holdback championship.

it's pretty obvious. 7 teams. all teams in every grade and level get at least 1 more game. 6 and 7 play and done. 4 and 5 play loser done. Semi finals and finals. it's not the MLL playoffs it's youth lacrosse

Are 6&7 actually playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are 6&7 actually playing?

I think there is a consolation game for those two.

I think to solve all of the problems in youth lacrosse we should have a Team Lacrosse Youth death-match.

Here could be some of the bouts:

RyanM(Crabs) vs MattHogan(Hawks) North vs South
Mark Millon(91) vs JJ Pearl(Breakers)
Cabell Maddux(Madlax) vs SpecerFord(3D)
RonnyK(Koopers) vs No one will face this massive gentle giant

The Kelly's(FCA) will be on hand for prayer and to control and Ref the bouts.

Looney's coaches can fill the stands and scream and yell, and sometimes throw a metal chair into the ring.

It will be great and available on ESPN3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think to solve all of the problems in youth lacrosse we should have a Team Lacrosse Youth death-match.

Here could be some of the bouts:

RyanM(Crabs) vs MattHogan(Hawks) North vs South
Mark Millon(91) vs JJ Pearl(Breakers)
Cabell Maddux(Madlax) vs SpecerFord(3D)
RonnyK(Koopers) vs No one will face this massive gentle giant

The Kelly's(FCA) will be on hand for prayer and to control and Ref the bouts.

Looney's coaches can fill the stands and scream and yell, and sometimes throw a metal chair into the ring.

It will be great and available on ESPN3

LOL SMH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think to solve all of the problems in youth lacrosse we should have a Team Lacrosse Youth death-match.

Here could be some of the bouts:

RyanM(Crabs) vs MattHogan(Hawks) North vs South
Mark Millon(91) vs JJ Pearl(Breakers)
Cabell Maddux(Madlax) vs SpecerFord(3D)
RonnyK(Koopers) vs No one will face this massive gentle giant

The Kelly's(FCA) will be on hand for prayer and to control and Ref the bouts.

Looney's coaches can fill the stands and scream and yell, and sometimes throw a metal chair into the ring.

It will be great and available on ESPN3

LOL SMH

Rough Riders and Green turtle can stay home and throw a hissy fit because they were not invited

Fat Crabs vs a bag of donuts and fries. He would definitely win. Too bad about his 2020 team that was wrecked today. Time to suit up the 2018s!

How about that 2020 Elite league..wow..FCA cruises by Crabs 13-8, Loonies squeaks by Next Level by 1 point and Hawks escapes in OT over Team 91. Great lacrosse being played each week. Fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about that 2020 Elite league..wow..FCA cruises by Crabs 13-8, Loonies squeaks by Next Level by 1 point and Hawks escapes in OT over Team 91. Great lacrosse being played each week. Fun to watch.

Totally agree. Most games have been very close and the competition very even. And kudos to Next Level, nobody saw them coming...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about that 2020 Elite league..wow..FCA cruises by Crabs 13-8, Loonies squeaks by Next Level by 1 point and Hawks escapes in OT over Team 91. Great lacrosse being played each week. Fun to watch.

Totally agree. Most games have been very close and the competition very even. And kudos to Next Level, nobody saw them coming...

It has been a fantastic spring for all the elite teams. They have all been very close games and could have gone either way so congrats to all the teams. The standings do no reflect how very close these games have been and the number of OT games.

Another Upset with Rough Riders significantly over Platinum 9d1 in the AA today and just like that RR is #1 in that bracket with a better goal differential. ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fat Crabs vs a bag of donuts and fries. He would definitely win. Too bad about his 2020 team that was wrecked today. Time to suit up the 2018s!

He's probably trying to figure out how he can bring Rabil back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fat Crabs vs a bag of donuts and fries. He would definitely win. Too bad about his 2020 team that was wrecked today. Time to suit up the 2018s!

He's probably trying to figure out how he can bring Rabil back.

Trust me, if there was any way he could pull that off he would. If I were any other team in the 2020 elite division I would carefully check Crabs roster between now and playoff time. There is nothing Ryan M wouldn't do to gain an advantage, even trying to add 2019/2018 players to his roster.
HOCO league by laws state the team managers of both winning and losing teams must call or email scores of game to HOCO commissioner by 9PM Sunday.
So far on HOCO website, 2020 elite scores from yesterday's games are posted except for FCA/Crabs. I would guess FCA notified the league of their 13/8 win but I bet no one from Crabs has communicated anything to the league. They lost yesterday and we all know fat Crab daddy is beside himself and as usual probably won't follow/obey league guidelines. Will have to wait to see if anyone from Crabs communicates yesterdays score to the league.

Typical fat crab nonsense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Typical fat crab nonsense

Is he protesting that they lost?!? Immature and not shocking that they are the only ones still not updated. Why is Hoco not just posting if crabs did not follow the rules again?

I think the assclown that runs HOCO is tight with Lyin Ryan. It's a sham the score isn't up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Typical fat crab nonsense

Is he protesting that they lost?!? Immature and not shocking that they are the only ones still not updated. Why is Hoco not just posting if crabs did not follow the rules again?

You guys are freaks. The score will get posted. I'm a coach for another club and different age. I have never called in scores or emailed them. The usually get sent in by the people paid to run score board. If the game was played at bl that's probably why it wasn't updated immediately. Btw any team can have thier games at a home field. Most don't because of the added expense and hassle

Funny how when they win the score is posted right away - whether it was at BL or not. Please don't patronize us with your BS. The fat man doesn't want the score up there any longer than it has to be.

The score looks like it is on there to me

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Typical fat crab nonsense

Is he protesting that they lost?!? Immature and not shocking that they are the only ones still not updated. Why is Hoco not just posting if crabs did not follow the rules again?

You guys are freaks. The score will get posted. I'm a coach for another club and different age. I have never called in scores or emailed them. The usually get sent in by the people paid to run score board. If the game was played at bl that's probably why it wasn't updated immediately. Btw any team can have thier games at a home field. Most don't because of the added expense and hassle

It is up immediately when they win..Now in a lost ..Not even there yet??? Does seem a little odd..

Sorry to talk about lacrosse for a minute but has anyone broken down the playoff scenarios for their grade yet? A lot of bunched up teams in most divisions for seeding and inclusion. Gonna be a fun last weekend.

I'm going to say in 2020 elite - Next Level sneaks in on the play-in game. Looneys wins the whole thing if their Florida FOGO plays.

There is no play in game. It is simply a consolation game. Any one of these teams could end up as champs. Upsets and one point games have been the rule this spring. Speaking of rules, if hoco lets the fogo play any more games that would be completely inappropriate given the rules but then again, rules seem to be written to be ignored or open to anyones intrepretation in this league.

Does anyone know how the playoff system will be handled for 2020AA and the two divisions? Will it be the top 2 teams per division that play and then a final championship? Or something else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how the playoff system will be handled for 2020AA and the two divisions? Will it be the top 2 teams per division that play and then a final championship? Or something else?

Yes - top 2 from each 2020AA Division will make the playoffs. The other teams will all play consolation games against teams with similar records.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to talk about lacrosse for a minute but has anyone broken down the playoff scenarios for their grade yet? A lot of bunched up teams in most divisions for seeding and inclusion. Gonna be a fun last weekend.

How many teams are in the playoffs? It looks like Crabs, FCA, and looneys are locks for the 2020 elite playoffs

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Enforce the rules? Why start now, they have been vi9olated by many 2020 elite teams since the season began. It should have started in March but HOCO turned a blind eye to all that was happening. If the FOGO isn't allowed to play, what about all the holdbacks, especially on Crabs? Just can't single out on individual when many are involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Enforce the rules? Why start now, they have been vi9olated by many 2020 elite teams since the season began. It should have started in March but HOCO turned a blind eye to all that was happening. If the FOGO isn't allowed to play, what about all the holdbacks, especially on Crabs? Just can't single out on individual when many are involved.

Hoco has made a mess of this 2020 Elite division with respect to parity and following their own rules. The fact that the fogo is listed on their roster yet only flies in for "special" performances to change the outcome of the games is ridiculous and offensive. This is youth lacrosse - out of state ringers should not be brought in. The list of rules is going to have to be pages long to prevent this type of abuse in YOUTH lacrosse. Saying "well they are cheating" is not an excuse.

Howard County is a cesspool of jerks for letting this happen in lacrosse. They were at the beginning and still are the main drivers of this grade based garbage and its effect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Enforce the rules? Why start now, they have been vi9olated by many 2020 elite teams since the season began. It should have started in March but HOCO turned a blind eye to all that was happening. If the FOGO isn't allowed to play, what about all the holdbacks, especially on Crabs? Just can't single out on individual when many are involved.

Hoco has made a mess of this 2020 Elite division with respect to parity and following their own rules. The fact that the fogo is listed on their roster yet only flies in for "special" performances to change the outcome of the games is ridiculous and offensive. This is youth lacrosse - out of state ringers should not be brought in. The list of rules is going to have to be pages long to prevent this type of abuse in YOUTH lacrosse. Saying "well they are cheating" is not an excuse.

it's a real mess when all the best teams and players get to test themselves every weekend in competitive games. A league in which an 0-5 could easily beat the 4-1 teams. I'd guess the other face-off kids would love a crack at the fla kid

It looks like a 3 horse race in the 2020 elite playoffs (crabs, FCA, and looneys). The winner dependents on the seeding and who plays who

did you mean a 3 holdback race?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did you mean a 3 holdback race?

Obviously your son is not in the Elite bracket. What time are the B playoffs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did you mean a 3 holdback race?

OMG!!! I just pissed my pants that's so funny. How original.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Enforce the rules? Why start now, they have been vi9olated by many 2020 elite teams since the season began. It should have started in March but HOCO turned a blind eye to all that was happening. If the FOGO isn't allowed to play, what about all the holdbacks, especially on Crabs? Just can't single out on individual when many are involved.

Hoco has made a mess of this 2020 Elite division with respect to parity and following their own rules. The fact that the fogo is listed on their roster yet only flies in for "special" performances to change the outcome of the games is ridiculous and offensive. This is youth lacrosse - out of state ringers should not be brought in. The list of rules is going to have to be pages long to prevent this type of abuse in YOUTH lacrosse. Saying "well they are cheating" is not an excuse.

it's a real mess when all the best teams and players get to test themselves every weekend in competitive games. A league in which an 0-5 could easily beat the 4-1 teams. I'd guess the other face-off kids would love a crack at the fla kid

If they enforce the rule on the FL FOGO then FCA could be in trouble with the 6"5" TX defender that flys in. Was he on their original submitted roster?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Enforce the rules? Why start now, they have been vi9olated by many 2020 elite teams since the season began. It should have started in March but HOCO turned a blind eye to all that was happening. If the FOGO isn't allowed to play, what about all the holdbacks, especially on Crabs? Just can't single out on individual when many are involved.

Hoco has made a mess of this 2020 Elite division with respect to parity and following their own rules. The fact that the fogo is listed on their roster yet only flies in for "special" performances to change the outcome of the games is ridiculous and offensive. This is youth lacrosse - out of state ringers should not be brought in. The list of rules is going to have to be pages long to prevent this type of abuse in YOUTH lacrosse. Saying "well they are cheating" is not an excuse.

it's a real mess when all the best teams and players get to test themselves every weekend in competitive games. A league in which an 0-5 could easily beat the 4-1 teams. I'd guess the other face-off kids would love a crack at the fla kid

If they enforce the rule on the FL FOGO then FCA could be in trouble with the 6"5" TX defender that flys in. Was he on their original submitted roster?

Have not seen a 6'5" defender on the field for FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Enforce the rules? Why start now, they have been vi9olated by many 2020 elite teams since the season began. It should have started in March but HOCO turned a blind eye to all that was happening. If the FOGO isn't allowed to play, what about all the holdbacks, especially on Crabs? Just can't single out on individual when many are involved.

Hoco has made a mess of this 2020 Elite division with respect to parity and following their own rules. The fact that the fogo is listed on their roster yet only flies in for "special" performances to change the outcome of the games is ridiculous and offensive. This is youth lacrosse - out of state ringers should not be brought in. The list of rules is going to have to be pages long to prevent this type of abuse in YOUTH lacrosse. Saying "well they are cheating" is not an excuse.

it's a real mess when all the best teams and players get to test themselves every weekend in competitive games. A league in which an 0-5 could easily beat the 4-1 teams. I'd guess the other face-off kids would love a crack at the fla kid

If they enforce the rule on the FL FOGO then FCA could be in trouble with the 6"5" TX defender that flys in. Was he on their original submitted roster?

Have not seen a 6'5" defender on the field for FCA.

He is from Alabama not texas. He has his own website that lists him at 6'4" 205lb. It gives his whole bio, address, birthdate, parents, etc.

Like we said Fca cheats too. It's okay, God granted them a pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they enforce the rule on the FL FOGO then FCA could be in trouble with the 6"5" TX defender that flys in. Was he on their original submitted roster?[/quote]

Have not seen a 6'5" defender on the field for FCA.[/quote]

He is from Alabama not texas. He has his own website that lists him at 6'4" 205lb. It gives his whole bio, address, birthdate, parents, etc. [/quote]

Hopefully you are kidding?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they enforce the rule on the FL FOGO then FCA could be in trouble with the 6"5" TX defender that flys in. Was he on their original submitted roster?

Have not seen a 6'5" defender on the field for FCA.[/quote]

He is from Alabama not texas. He has his own website that lists him at 6'4" 205lb. It gives his whole bio, address, birthdate, parents, etc. [/quote]

Hopefully you are kidding?/ [/quote]

Not kidding. Can't post names here but he is on their roster. No idea if he was on the submitted roster.

Born Dec of 2001

The FCA player does not break any Hoco rules- he is on age and does not play high school lacrosse. It is crazy his parents will fly him up for 13/14 year old lacrosse but it does not break rules. The Looneys fogo played high school this season which makes him ineligible to play Hoco according to their own rules which have been ignored. Their opponent should definitely protest the game if he plays as it is a blatant ignoring of the rules. Any game he played in should be a forfeit.

Alabama boy did play hs lax this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA player does not break any Hoco rules- he is on age and does not play high school lacrosse. It is crazy his parents will fly him up for 13/14 year old lacrosse but it does not break rules. The Looneys fogo played high school this season which makes him ineligible to play Hoco according to their own rules which have been ignored. Their opponent should definitely protest the game if he plays as it is a blatant ignoring of the rules. Any game he played in should be a forfeit.

He's absolutely breaking rules. You cannot add players after the 4th game.

Anyone happen to see these strange playoff seeding criteria? Strength of schedule, strength of wins, etc? Loonies are seeded first over Crabs, FCA and Hawks. You would think goal differential would be the easiest way to seed the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA player does not break any Hoco rules- he is on age and does not play high school lacrosse. It is crazy his parents will fly him up for 13/14 year old lacrosse but it does not break rules. The Looneys fogo played high school this season which makes him ineligible to play Hoco according to their own rules which have been ignored. Their opponent should definitely protest the game if he plays as it is a blatant ignoring of the rules. Any game he played in should be a forfeit.

He's absolutely breaking rules. You cannot add players after the 4th game.

He has been w FCA since last year apparently so would guess he is on their roster. If your coach feels strongly about it, the rules say he has to formally complain and pay to get a decision. Crazy they expect you to pay to ask them to enforce their rules and do their job but those are the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did you mean a 3 holdback race?

Obviously your son is not in the Elite bracket. What time are the B playoffs?

Spoken like a true cheater. You Must be Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alabama boy did play hs lax this spring.

Crabs and Looneys can make a formal complaint against FCA for breaking the rules of 1) players not following normal progression 2) adding to their roster and 3) having a high school player.

Looneys and FCA can make a formal complaint against crabs for using mostly holdbacks on an 8th grade team.

FCA and crabs can formally complain against loooneys for using an illegal high school player.

May the biggest cheater win! What a sad state of affairs - thank you Hoco for bringing youth lacrosse to this new level of champions while the true champions of the sport -the kids that follow rules- get subjected to the nonsense every week. These are 13/14 year old KIDS that you are complacent about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.

Enforce the rules? Why start now, they have been vi9olated by many 2020 elite teams since the season began. It should have started in March but HOCO turned a blind eye to all that was happening. If the FOGO isn't allowed to play, what about all the holdbacks, especially on Crabs? Just can't single out on individual when many are involved.

Hoco has made a mess of this 2020 Elite division with respect to parity and following their own rules. The fact that the fogo is listed on their roster yet only flies in for "special" performances to change the outcome of the games is ridiculous and offensive. This is youth lacrosse - out of state ringers should not be brought in. The list of rules is going to have to be pages long to prevent this type of abuse in YOUTH lacrosse. Saying "well they are cheating" is not an excuse.

it's a real mess when all the best teams and players get to test themselves every weekend in competitive games. A league in which an 0-5 could easily beat the 4-1 teams. I'd guess the other face-off kids would love a crack at the fla kid

Would be a true test if the kids were, the same age, from the same region, we're all non high school players and there were no roster changes but that would mean following published rules. Even kids having fun know that they are being let down by the adults who are manipulating the game just to win. In this environment, they are being taught to be selfish and do whatever they can do to win. Better lesson would be to witness adults calling other adults out to follow rules.

I don't have a dog in this fight but from afar I can't understand what all of the bitterness is about. The intent of an "elite" league is to have the best possible competition. Why would you sign up for an elite league and then get mad when other teams bring in great players. Those players are enhancing your son's experience not detracting from it. If your son is a FOGO you should want him to face the kid from Florida. By all accounts the games have been extremely competitive. You are lucky to have such a great league without having to travel. If the trophy and bragging rights are so important to you, sign up for an easier league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone happen to see these strange playoff seeding criteria? Strength of schedule, strength of wins, etc? Loonies are seeded first over Crabs, FCA and Hawks. You would think goal differential would be the easiest way to seed the teams.

How can there be seedings when the season isnt over yet? I always thought they did goals against as the first tiebreaker.

I can live with the FOGO. He is on age and plays for his HS team in Florida. Not exactly a hotbed for lacrosse. The 16 year old Crabs players - that's another story. They should not be allowed to play on a 2020 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight but from afar I can't understand what all of the bitterness is about. The intent of an "elite" league is to have the best possible competition. Why would you sign up for an elite league and then get mad when other teams bring in great players. Those players are enhancing your son's experience not detracting from it. If your son is a FOGO you should want him to face the kid from Florida. By all accounts the games have been extremely competitive. You are lucky to have such a great league without having to travel. If the trophy and bragging rights are so important to you, sign up for an easier league.

honesty and sportsmanship is what is important to most. Still would be an elite league without having folks blatantly disregarding the published rules - where does it stop and where do we stop hiding behind excuses or justifications? Kids have to make a choice - you play for a high school, you forfeit your spring youth league. You hold back for purpose of looking better for college; you do not get to play 8th grade and beat on kids who have not hit puberty yet. Why do we feel we have to let these kids and their families do whatever they want? Just because they are elite players, does not mean that good sportsmanship, safety and character should be forgotten - they are subject to rules like there are in real life. You also have not considered the safety issues involved in some of these "elite" games. 200 plus pounds of man like muscle playing against a 13 year old pre puberty boy of 115 pounds? What is fun about watching that? One belongs on the field being on age and one does not being a holdback. Occasionally you will have an true 14 year old of that weight but not teams full of them. It is not about a trophy except to those teams manipulating rules to do everything to win one.

The only way one of those four teams is not in the playoffs is whoever is the 4th seed loses to the 5th seed in the play in game Friday night.

Above poster is spot on. Parents have lost sight what is important....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only way one of those four teams is not in the playoffs is whoever is the 4th seed loses to the 5th seed in the play in game Friday night.

Given the season, any of the 7 teams could compete in the playoffs and be successful but need to cut it off somewhere so good luck to the four that make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight but from afar I can't understand what all of the bitterness is about. The intent of an "elite" league is to have the best possible competition. Why would you sign up for an elite league and then get mad when other teams bring in great players. Those players are enhancing your son's experience not detracting from it. If your son is a FOGO you should want him to face the kid from Florida. By all accounts the games have been extremely competitive. You are lucky to have such a great league without having to travel. If the trophy and bragging rights are so important to you, sign up for an easier league.

I guess you forgot the MAIN thing..This is YOUTH lacrosse with children playing from 9 to 14 years of age. Well supposedly 2020/U14 is 14 at most but with the ignorant HOCO rules you can be whatever.It isnt HS MIAA or College or Pro, its YOUTH. Did you forget that???? You do remember the concept of youth sports?

It is great that it is ELITE..But it is YOUTH and there should be no special advantage to certain children that have been held back, even at ELITE level. The special kids will get their advantage on school teams. Not YOUTH sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight but from afar I can't understand what all of the bitterness is about. The intent of an "elite" league is to have the best possible competition. Why would you sign up for an elite league and then get mad when other teams bring in great players. Those players are enhancing your son's experience not detracting from it. If your son is a FOGO you should want him to face the kid from Florida. By all accounts the games have been extremely competitive. You are lucky to have such a great league without having to travel. If the trophy and bragging rights are so important to you, sign up for an easier league.

honesty and sportsmanship is what is important to most. Still would be an elite league without having folks blatantly disregarding the published rules - where does it stop and where do we stop hiding behind excuses or justifications? Kids have to make a choice - you play for a high school, you forfeit your spring youth league. You hold back for purpose of looking better for college; you do not get to play 8th grade and beat on kids who have not hit puberty yet. Why do we feel we have to let these kids and their families do whatever they want? Just because they are elite players, does not mean that good sportsmanship, safety and character should be forgotten - they are subject to rules like there are in real life. You also have not considered the safety issues involved in some of these "elite" games. 200 plus pounds of man like muscle playing against a 13 year old pre puberty boy of 115 pounds? What is fun about watching that? One belongs on the field being on age and one does not being a holdback. Occasionally you will have an true 14 year old of that weight but not teams full of them. It is not about a trophy except to those teams manipulating rules to do everything to win one.

EXACTLY..Unfortunately HOCO the cesspool of an organization has enabled this. Howard County should be ashamed of what they have done to youth lacrosse in Maryland. ASHAMED!

The ELITE divisions were invitation only. And all teams that were invited have holdbacks. The clubs could have said no, we'll play in AA. [lacrosse] at your club director, not HOCO. Although considering all the clubs in the Elite divisions have holdbacks, I must assume you are with a lesser club. Are you just mad that your team wasn't invited to play in the Elite division. If you are in the Elite division, do you complain to the holdbacks parents on your team or just come here to [lacrosse] anonymously? Do you complain to your club director that they are fielding teams with older kids? What are you doing to change things other than whining on here?

Stop pointing your fingers at HOCO. They have built the league around the structure that all the Elite clubs want. Every team below the Elite Divison(Or AA for younger ages without and Elite division) are just cashing your checks and laughing that you are paying thousands of dollars for glorified rec lacrosse so you can say little Johnny plays club lacrosse. So who are the ignorant ones here?

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

Whatever. All the clubs knew the deal when they joined the league. ALL THE CLUBS ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS. I've never heard Kevin Doyle complain or the Kellys or Matt Hogan or any other club director from the top teams. Unlike the idiots on here, they understand what a grade-based league is. HOCO provides up to 4 divisions for teams to play in for each age. If you don't want to play against those kids, play in one of the other 3 options. No one forced your club to play there, but I'm guessing your club doesn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

previous guy is right. if your son is one of the teams that plays against crabs you should take it with your coach/director. FCA, Looneys, 91, Hawks, Madlax all signed up for Carbfeast tournament. It is their to play each other. Your prefirst kids are hold backs too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

Agreed. Why did they bother publishing rules and then ignoring them? The rules were there for a reason and then were ignored. That IS an issue and one Hoco should have addressed instead of throwing it back to parents and club directors. You have a responsibility for oversight or teams are going to continue to do whatever they want. Clubs are going to do whatever they can get away - organizations like Hoco are supposed to be the check and balance on that if they are offering and making money on a league.

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

Whatever. All the clubs knew the deal when they joined the league. ALL THE CLUBS ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS. I've never heard Kevin Doyle complain or the Kellys or Matt Hogan or any other club director from the top teams. Unlike the idiots on here, they understand what a grade-based league is. HOCO provides up to 4 divisions for teams to play in for each age. If you don't want to play against those kids, play in one of the other 3 options. No one forced your club to play there, but I'm guessing your club doesn't.

Not whatever. Exactly why youth lacrosse is the mess it is - the whatever attitude. Parents joined your league assuming that the rules would be followed as published by Hoco. You did not follow your rules and pointing at Hogan, Kelly etc. does not make it okay. You were the oversight - divisions are to be based on talent - not age. It is not okay to say 15 and 16 year olds are in the elite division just because it is elite. They do not belong any where in youth lacrosse - period. There are many on age elite players who you disregarded in your pursuit to make Ryan, Hogan, Kelly etc. happy. They are driven by $$ and will do whatever they can to win - Hoco was supposed to offset that and watch out for the kids who are doing it correctly who actually belong playing in the league - not the holdbacks, not the kids that have played high school etc. Grade based is NOT the same as "Grade based assuming the normal progression through school" in any league.

NO KID IN THIS AT ALL BUT WHAT I CANT UNDERSTAND IS IF YOUR AFRAID YOUR CHILD WILL GET HURT WHY PLAY THE GAME? SIMPLY PLAY IN A LEAGUE THAT PLAYS BY THE RULES YOU WANT TO PLAY. WETHER ITS AGE BASED OR NO BODY CHECKING ETC. NOBODY IS MAKING YOU PLAY IN THIS LEAGUE,,,,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ELITE divisions were invitation only. And all teams that were invited have holdbacks. The clubs could have said no, we'll play in AA. [lacrosse] at your club director, not HOCO. Although considering all the clubs in the Elite divisions have holdbacks, I must assume you are with a lesser club. Are you just mad that your team wasn't invited to play in the Elite division. If you are in the Elite division, do you complain to the holdbacks parents on your team or just come here to [lacrosse] anonymously? Do you complain to your club director that they are fielding teams with older kids? What are you doing to change things other than whining on here?

Stop pointing your fingers at HOCO. They have built the league around the structure that all the Elite clubs want. Every team below the Elite Divison(Or AA for younger ages without and Elite division) are just cashing your checks and laughing that you are paying thousands of dollars for glorified rec lacrosse so you can say little Johnny plays club lacrosse. So who are the ignorant ones here?

HOCO is a cesspool of Recreation org and Howard County Government should be ashamed of what they have done to youth Lacrosse.

I like how you do the normal insulting like most holdback apologists..""lesser club, team not invited, etc"

Nothing was built around the structure ALL clubs wanted. What a load of BS. There was an "Elite league" when it was age based called NPYLL, and it had BEST players for many many years. And you never heard the vitrol like you hear now.

Howard County wanted to utilize their fields and make some money off them. But the HOCO Management decided to go grade base for some reason still not clear to anyone. Howard County Rec Department obviously had some ties to the Private schools and that had some reason to do with it?? But all other Leagues in Howard County are AGE BASED!! As matter of FACT..HOCO first year most teams were age base. But with this HOCO grade base league many Clubs with ties to MIAA kids decided to go FULL blown and push it to the limit. Are you such a moron not to realize that the Clubs with MIAA ties have the most prefirst/holdback kids??

So I will continue along with many others to point out what a cesspool Howard County Rec is for destroying the intergity of YOUTH lacrosse. Now you can go back to thinking how great you are and your son is for pounding on younger kids, but for some reason couldn't play against kids his own age??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

Whatever. All the clubs knew the deal when they joined the league. ALL THE CLUBS ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS. I've never heard Kevin Doyle complain or the Kellys or Matt Hogan or any other club director from the top teams. Unlike the idiots on here, they understand what a grade-based league is. HOCO provides up to 4 divisions for teams to play in for each age. If you don't want to play against those kids, play in one of the other 3 options. No one forced your club to play there, but I'm guessing your club doesn't.

They also didnt DEMAND that there be a league for prefirst/holdbacks formed so we could all pat ourselves on back ..how great an elite league we had in Maryland. They are just going with what is presented to them. Some are better at taken advantage of the situation than others. If it was age base it would have similar high quality teams. It just would be more in the model for YOUTH sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Really? This is YOUTH lacrosse - not Rio, not college. How about teaching youth what is right? The league is supposed to control other people's choices when they are breaking the rules but clearly they have missed that point.

I don't disagree that the club owners are complicit. This is a business for them. Winning means more parents paying money to chase a unicorn (lacrosse scholarship). I hope the NCAA stops early recruiting and we can get some sanity back in youth lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Did you forget that this is YOUTH sports for children 9 to 15??
This league is run by a Howard County Recreation Department. Whose goal is to promote Youth Sports in County??

So according to you, it is ALL about winning for the 9 and 10 year olds ?? I say if so..Time to give them some PED's now, why wait, lets get that win for our 10 year olds.
I am amazed constantly by some of the things that people write and believe here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NO KID IN THIS AT ALL BUT WHAT I CANT UNDERSTAND IS IF YOUR AFRAID YOUR CHILD WILL GET HURT WHY PLAY THE GAME? SIMPLY PLAY IN A LEAGUE THAT PLAYS BY THE RULES YOU WANT TO PLAY. WETHER ITS AGE BASED OR NO BODY CHECKING ETC. NOBODY IS MAKING YOU PLAY IN THIS LEAGUE,,,,

Thanks Ryan..Take caps off next time please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Did you forget that this is YOUTH sports for children 9 to 15??
This league is run by a Howard County Recreation Department. Whose goal is to promote Youth Sports in County??

So according to you, it is ALL about winning for the 9 and 10 year olds ?? I say if so..Time to give them some PED's now, why wait, lets get that win for our 10 year olds.
I am amazed constantly by some of the things that people write and believe here.

You really need to play Rec..... This is big boy club ball...and if you can't handle bigger and better kid beating the crap out of you then you need to get out of this sport...Tired of [lacrosse] babies on this site.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Did you forget that this is YOUTH sports for children 9 to 15??
This league is run by a Howard County Recreation Department. Whose goal is to promote Youth Sports in County??

So according to you, it is ALL about winning for the 9 and 10 year olds ?? I say if so..Time to give them some PED's now, why wait, lets get that win for our 10 year olds.
I am amazed constantly by some of the things that people write and believe here.

You really need to play Rec..... This is big boy club ball...and if you can't handle bigger and better kid beating the crap out of you then you need to get out of this sport...Tired of [lacrosse] babies on this site.....

My mistake, I didnt know what "big boy lacrosse" meant. Didnt realize it meant only certain kids are allowed to play DOWN..Just a select group of kids heldback in Kindergarden thru 8 grade get to play down. Then these older big boys playing down get to dominate the younger players..Got it now Mister Big Boy.

Bigger issue is people like you who are so tough and want their Big Boys to dominate younger kids..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

Whatever. All the clubs knew the deal when they joined the league. ALL THE CLUBS ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS. I've never heard Kevin Doyle complain or the Kellys or Matt Hogan or any other club director from the top teams. Unlike the idiots on here, they understand what a grade-based league is. HOCO provides up to 4 divisions for teams to play in for each age. If you don't want to play against those kids, play in one of the other 3 options. No one forced your club to play there, but I'm guessing your club doesn't.

Not whatever. Exactly why youth lacrosse is the mess it is - the whatever attitude. Parents joined your league assuming that the rules would be followed as published by Hoco. You did not follow your rules and pointing at Hogan, Kelly etc. does not make it okay. You were the oversight - divisions are to be based on talent - not age. It is not okay to say 15 and 16 year olds are in the elite division just because it is elite. They do not belong any where in youth lacrosse - period. There are many on age elite players who you disregarded in your pursuit to make Ryan, Hogan, Kelly etc. happy. They are driven by $$ and will do whatever they can to win - Hoco was supposed to offset that and watch out for the kids who are doing it correctly who actually belong playing in the league - not the holdbacks, not the kids that have played high school etc. Grade based is NOT the same as "Grade based assuming the normal progression through school" in any league.

Parents didn't join the league, the clubs did. Parents choose to pay the club directors thousands of dollars. The clubs are following the rules as published by HOCO. Did you miss the part where it says that the league is grade based? Age is never mentioned in the rules posted. There are older kids on many teams, whether they are in the Elite division or not.

I have asked before and never received an answer. IS THERE ANY MD CLUB TEAM THAT EXPLICITLY DOES NOT ALLOW HOLDBACKS?

I know that the answer to that question is no. Teams that don't have them just didn't have any come out for or accept spots on the team. Everyone knows these are the rules. Yet all day, every day people come here to complain.

Nope...My kid plays up....always has....Plays against the best and he is one of the best...We don't shy away from great competition even though they may be a year older or so....Play Rec and don't bore us with you freaking complaining.... Your ruining club lacrosse...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Did you forget that this is YOUTH sports for children 9 to 15??
This league is run by a Howard County Recreation Department. Whose goal is to promote Youth Sports in County??

So according to you, it is ALL about winning for the 9 and 10 year olds ?? I say if so..Time to give them some PED's now, why wait, lets get that win for our 10 year olds.
I am amazed constantly by some of the things that people write and believe here.

You really need to play Rec..... This is big boy club ball...and if you can't handle bigger and better kid beating the crap out of you then you need to get out of this sport...Tired of [lacrosse] babies on this site.....

My mistake, I didnt know what "big boy lacrosse" meant. Didnt realize it meant only certain kids are allowed to play DOWN..Just a select group of kids heldback in Kindergarden thru 8 grade get to play down. Then these older big boys playing down get to dominate the younger players..Got it now Mister Big Boy.

Bigger issue is people like you who are so tough and want their Big Boys to dominate younger kids..

Play Rec....Please You are ruining club lacrosse...Not everyone get a [lacrosse] trophy here....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope...My kid plays up....always has....Plays against the best and he is one of the best...We don't shy away from great competition even though they may be a year older or so....Play Rec and don't bore us with you freaking complaining.... Your ruining club lacrosse...

Yea Right..You are a Big Boy I forgot.. You only Play Real competition.Hilarious....You have no idea that you sound like a block headed moron..But keep telling us how tough you are and anyone not ough like you should be playing rec..LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope...My kid plays up....always has....Plays against the best and he is one of the best...We don't shy away from great competition even though they may be a year older or so....Play Rec and don't bore us with you freaking complaining.... Your ruining club lacrosse...

Yea Right..You are a Big Boy I forgot.. You only Play Real competition.Hilarious....You have no idea that you sound like a block headed moron..But keep telling us how tough you are and anyone not ough like you should be playing rec..LOL

Keep crying [lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope...My kid plays up....always has....Plays against the best and he is one of the best...We don't shy away from great competition even though they may be a year older or so....Play Rec and don't bore us with you freaking complaining.... Your ruining club lacrosse...

Yea Right..You are a Big Boy I forgot.. You only Play Real competition.Hilarious....You have no idea that you sound like a block headed moron..But keep telling us how tough you are and anyone not ough like you should be playing rec..LOL

We do need your [lacrosse] entitlement, or your [lacrosse] complaints, or your [lacrosse] rules.... Play Rec... They have rules there where your kid can succeed. Club lacrosse is not for everyone...Leave your complaints are not welcomes here because you will ruin it and then the talented kids have no where to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope...My kid plays up....always has....Plays against the best and he is one of the best...We don't shy away from great competition even though they may be a year older or so....Play Rec and don't bore us with you freaking complaining.... Your ruining club lacrosse...

Yea Right..You are a Big Boy I forgot.. You only Play Real competition.Hilarious....You have no idea that you sound like a block headed moron..But keep telling us how tough you are and anyone not ough like you should be playing rec..LOL

He is right...Go play fair lacrosse...Rcc needs you....You cant make your team better by coming on here making up stuff and complaining....No one cares about your mediocre kid that gets his [lacrosse] kicked by teams that you think don't play fair...[lacrosse] off and leave club lacrosse...You are ruining it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight but from afar I can't understand what all of the bitterness is about. The intent of an "elite" league is to have the best possible competition. Why would you sign up for an elite league and then get mad when other teams bring in great players. Those players are enhancing your son's experience not detracting from it. If your son is a FOGO you should want him to face the kid from Florida. By all accounts the games have been extremely competitive. You are lucky to have such a great league without having to travel. If the trophy and bragging rights are so important to you, sign up for an easier league.

honesty and sportsmanship is what is important to most. Still would be an elite league without having folks blatantly disregarding the published rules - where does it stop and where do we stop hiding behind excuses or justifications? Kids have to make a choice - you play for a high school, you forfeit your spring youth league. You hold back for purpose of looking better for college; you do not get to play 8th grade and beat on kids who have not hit puberty yet. Why do we feel we have to let these kids and their families do whatever they want? Just because they are elite players, does not mean that good sportsmanship, safety and character should be forgotten - they are subject to rules like there are in real life. You also have not considered the safety issues involved in some of these "elite" games. 200 plus pounds of man like muscle playing against a 13 year old pre puberty boy of 115 pounds? What is fun about watching that? One belongs on the field being on age and one does not being a holdback. Occasionally you will have an true 14 year old of that weight but not teams full of them. It is not about a trophy except to those teams manipulating rules to do everything to win one.

There are several levels of competition. The 115 lb 13 year old can play in whatever league is best for him. If he hasn't hit puberty he probably shouldn't be in the elite league. The only reason he isn't in an appropriate league is that his parents are hung up on him being in the "elite" league rather than at a level where he can be successful. Hoco has created leagues where every kid from the very best to rec level kids can play against like competition. That is what youth sports is supposed to be about. The problem is parents who are either hung up on labels or unrealistic about what level their son should be playing at. If one of the team's was dominant that would be a problem but from all accounts the games are very competive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NO KID IN THIS AT ALL BUT WHAT I CANT UNDERSTAND IS IF YOUR AFRAID YOUR CHILD WILL GET HURT WHY PLAY THE GAME? SIMPLY PLAY IN A LEAGUE THAT PLAYS BY THE RULES YOU WANT TO PLAY. WETHER ITS AGE BASED OR NO BODY CHECKING ETC. NOBODY IS MAKING YOU PLAY IN THIS LEAGUE,,,,

Thanks Ryan..Take caps off next time please

My money is that it is a Hoco rep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Did you forget that this is YOUTH sports for children 9 to 15??
This league is run by a Howard County Recreation Department. Whose goal is to promote Youth Sports in County??

So according to you, it is ALL about winning for the 9 and 10 year olds ?? I say if so..Time to give them some PED's now, why wait, lets get that win for our 10 year olds.
I am amazed constantly by some of the things that people write and believe here.

You really need to play Rec..... This is big boy club ball...and if you can't handle bigger and better kid beating the crap out of you then you need to get out of this sport...Tired of [lacrosse] babies on this site.....

Only bigger because they are two years older - definitely not better because 1) they are not playing up where they belong and 2) need to beat the crap out of kid on the field shows they and you do not know anything about what this sport is about. Just another macho dad living through his son. Sadder than sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope...My kid plays up....always has....Plays against the best and he is one of the best...We don't shy away from great competition even though they may be a year older or so....Play Rec and don't bore us with you freaking complaining.... Your ruining club lacrosse...

Yea Right..You are a Big Boy I forgot.. You only Play Real competition.Hilarious....You have no idea that you sound like a block headed moron..But keep telling us how tough you are and anyone not ough like you should be playing rec..LOL

We do need your [lacrosse] entitlement, or your [lacrosse] complaints, or your [lacrosse] rules.... Play Rec... They have rules there where your kid can succeed. Club lacrosse is not for everyone...Leave your complaints are not welcomes here because you will ruin it and then the talented kids have no where to play

Look in a mirror - it is people like yourself who have an attitude of anything goes who are ruining club lacrosse. If a child needs to play down, they are not talented! They are just bigger and the only thing they can do is run faster and beat up on younger per-pubescent boys. The fact that you think this means more talented shows you are more delusional than most thought. Take all the kids who are breaking the rules and go start your own elitist, I can do anything I want club. The majority in club ball are doing it right - folks like you are ruining it. Shhh...don't talk about the truth...it might ruin youth lacrosse if we let everyone know how come my son looks better.

Anyone know if the MIAA games are being streamed on the internet today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight but from afar I can't understand what all of the bitterness is about. The intent of an "elite" league is to have the best possible competition. Why would you sign up for an elite league and then get mad when other teams bring in great players. Those players are enhancing your son's experience not detracting from it. If your son is a FOGO you should want him to face the kid from Florida. By all accounts the games have been extremely competitive. You are lucky to have such a great league without having to travel. If the trophy and bragging rights are so important to you, sign up for an easier league.

honesty and sportsmanship is what is important to most. Still would be an elite league without having folks blatantly disregarding the published rules - where does it stop and where do we stop hiding behind excuses or justifications? Kids have to make a choice - you play for a high school, you forfeit your spring youth league. You hold back for purpose of looking better for college; you do not get to play 8th grade and beat on kids who have not hit puberty yet. Why do we feel we have to let these kids and their families do whatever they want? Just because they are elite players, does not mean that good sportsmanship, safety and character should be forgotten - they are subject to rules like there are in real life. You also have not considered the safety issues involved in some of these "elite" games. 200 plus pounds of man like muscle playing against a 13 year old pre puberty boy of 115 pounds? What is fun about watching that? One belongs on the field being on age and one does not being a holdback. Occasionally you will have an true 14 year old of that weight but not teams full of them. It is not about a trophy except to those teams manipulating rules to do everything to win one.

There are several levels of competition. The 115 lb 13 year old can play in whatever league is best for him. If he hasn't hit puberty he probably shouldn't be in the elite league. The only reason he isn't in an appropriate league is that his parents are hung up on him being in the "elite" league rather than at a level where he can be successful. Hoco has created leagues where every kid from the very best to rec level kids can play against like competition. That is what youth sports is supposed to be about. The problem is parents who are either hung up on labels or unrealistic about what level their son should be playing at. If one of the team's was dominant that would be a problem but from all accounts the games are very competive.

The elite leagues were not created for the holdbacks to have a place to play. They made their decisions and should wait it out or create their own league - not hijack youth lacrosse. Why should the smaller kid not be playing elite? Elite has NOTHING to do with size -it is about talent and skill. Just because some idiot wants their kid to play down and he is two years older and hit puberty does not mean the kids who belong there should play in another bracket. Sounds like another Hoco or holdback parent justification. Do your job and apply your own rules Hoco!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not ALL the elite clubs have holdbacks. Some may have late birthdays or pre-first kids. Certainly most of them don't have multiple 16 years olds on an 8th grade team (Crabs). As a municipal government - Howard Co. has a responsibility to at least provide some oversight to insure the safety of the children playing. They are failing miserably in that regard. One look at the Crabs roster an birthdates and any idiot could see something isn't right.

I would expect SOMEONE in the Howard County government to say that 16 year olds in 8th grade is not a natural grade progression and those kids cannot play. They are complicit by their silence.

Whatever. All the clubs knew the deal when they joined the league. ALL THE CLUBS ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS. I've never heard Kevin Doyle complain or the Kellys or Matt Hogan or any other club director from the top teams. Unlike the idiots on here, they understand what a grade-based league is. HOCO provides up to 4 divisions for teams to play in for each age. If you don't want to play against those kids, play in one of the other 3 options. No one forced your club to play there, but I'm guessing your club doesn't.

All the clubs expected the rules to be followed when they joined the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow...so many parents that don't get high level sports. You think it's about ethics and morals. It's not. It's about winning. Always has been. Watch the recent news and see Russia and Kenya may be banned from Rio because of the overwhelming use of performance enhancing drugs. These are Olympic athletes that are some of best in the world but they still cheat for an advantage and to ensure they WIN. People so upset that some young men are a year or 2 older. Who cares. Always will be cheaters. Worry about your kid, your message to them and how they grow from competition. Win or lose. Maybe hold backs are same kids that using PEDs when older. You can't control other people's choices. Most on age kids could care less about hold backs. Next year there will be tons of kids older. Teach them to compete and not complain.

Did you forget that this is YOUTH sports for children 9 to 15??
This league is run by a Howard County Recreation Department. Whose goal is to promote Youth Sports in County??

So according to you, it is ALL about winning for the 9 and 10 year olds ?? I say if so..Time to give them some PED's now, why wait, lets get that win for our 10 year olds.
I am amazed constantly by some of the things that people write and believe here.

You really need to play Rec..... This is big boy club ball...and if you can't handle bigger and better kid beating the crap out of you then you need to get out of this sport...Tired of [lacrosse] babies on this site.....

I bet your son, who is most likely a holdback, acts like an assh*le just like you. Oh, this is "big boy" club ball. Really, again from your comments it is very obvious that your son is a older holdback and you just feel so proud when he can beat a younger player. The real reason is if your son was playing on age he would not even be an average player. You sir are the one who is a f'in cry baby because you can't handle the reality that you son is just average if playing on age. You area complete POS and you need to really shove it up your a*s with your off centered post. Just go away and stay away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NO KID IN THIS AT ALL BUT WHAT I CANT UNDERSTAND IS IF YOUR AFRAID YOUR CHILD WILL GET HURT WHY PLAY THE GAME? SIMPLY PLAY IN A LEAGUE THAT PLAYS BY THE RULES YOU WANT TO PLAY. WETHER ITS AGE BASED OR NO BODY CHECKING ETC. NOBODY IS MAKING YOU PLAY IN THIS LEAGUE,,,,

Thanks Ryan..Take caps off next time please

My money is that it is a Hoco rep.

My money says you take it in the pooper

Classy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NO KID IN THIS AT ALL BUT WHAT I CANT UNDERSTAND IS IF YOUR AFRAID YOUR CHILD WILL GET HURT WHY PLAY THE GAME? SIMPLY PLAY IN A LEAGUE THAT PLAYS BY THE RULES YOU WANT TO PLAY. WETHER ITS AGE BASED OR NO BODY CHECKING ETC. NOBODY IS MAKING YOU PLAY IN THIS LEAGUE,,,,

Thanks Ryan..Take caps off next time please

My money is that it is a Hoco rep.

I agree. This sounds more like a Howard County employee HOCO rep from Howard County Recreation Department..Howard County has a special spot for soiling Youth lacrosse. Every other League in Howard County is age based except this league. Howard County Government should be ashamed as another poster wrote..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight but from afar I can't understand what all of the bitterness is about. The intent of an "elite" league is to have the best possible competition. Why would you sign up for an elite league and then get mad when other teams bring in great players. Those players are enhancing your son's experience not detracting from it. If your son is a FOGO you should want him to face the kid from Florida. By all accounts the games have been extremely competitive. You are lucky to have such a great league without having to travel. If the trophy and bragging rights are so important to you, sign up for an easier league.

honesty and sportsmanship is what is important to most. Still would be an elite league without having folks blatantly disregarding the published rules - where does it stop and where do we stop hiding behind excuses or justifications? Kids have to make a choice - you play for a high school, you forfeit your spring youth league. You hold back for purpose of looking better for college; you do not get to play 8th grade and beat on kids who have not hit puberty yet. Why do we feel we have to let these kids and their families do whatever they want? Just because they are elite players, does not mean that good sportsmanship, safety and character should be forgotten - they are subject to rules like there are in real life. You also have not considered the safety issues involved in some of these "elite" games. 200 plus pounds of man like muscle playing against a 13 year old pre puberty boy of 115 pounds? What is fun about watching that? One belongs on the field being on age and one does not being a holdback. Occasionally you will have an true 14 year old of that weight but not teams full of them. It is not about a trophy except to those teams manipulating rules to do everything to win one.

There are several levels of competition. The 115 lb 13 year old can play in whatever league is best for him. If he hasn't hit puberty he probably shouldn't be in the elite league. The only reason he isn't in an appropriate league is that his parents are hung up on him being in the "elite" league rather than at a level where he can be successful. Hoco has created leagues where every kid from the very best to rec level kids can play against like competition. That is what youth sports is supposed to be about. The problem is parents who are either hung up on labels or unrealistic about what level their son should be playing at. If one of the team's was dominant that would be a problem but from all accounts the games are very competive.

The elite leagues were not created for the holdbacks to have a place to play. They made their decisions and should wait it out or create their own league - not hijack youth lacrosse. Why should the smaller kid not be playing elite? Elite has NOTHING to do with size -it is about talent and skill. Just because some idiot wants their kid to play down and he is two years older and hit puberty does not mean the kids who belong there should play in another bracket. Sounds like another Hoco or holdback parent justification. Do your job and apply your own rules Hoco!

Ha provided a league for every size/skill level. Your only issue is that the league your son belongs in doesn't say elite. Focus more on making sure your son has a good experience and less on your own ego and both of you will be happier.

Let's just be clear, this isn't "youth lacrosse". This is elite level club lacrosse. Not only does HOCO provide differentiated levels of play and competition for club/travel teams, but there is another league for rec/youth lacrosse in this area called MYLA. Whether you live in Howard, Carroll, Baltimore, or Harford County, your son (or daughter for that matter) can play at a variety of levels of "youth lacrosse" in MYLA. MYLA has an established and very successful lacrosse legacy in this area and they are strictly age-based. What makes this country great is that you have choices... you can choose where to buy a home, where to eat dinner, and where to have your kids play lacrosse. But with all things, choose wisely and if you're not happy with your product or service, make a different choice next time.

Youth lacrosse is anything under high school which this league is. Get your facts straight. Just because the youth are very talented and playing in an elite bracket does not make them any less members of youth sports nor does it negate the responsibility to offer them the same protections against those manipulating the system. That is ridiculous justification for both the league not doing their job and the lame parents whose kids can not cut it with their own age group so play down. . Sure hope his was not a Hoco rep again as that County has an issue if those are the thoughts of those who running the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's just be clear, this isn't "youth lacrosse". This is elite level club lacrosse. Not only does HOCO provide differentiated levels of play and competition for club/travel teams, but there is another league for rec/youth lacrosse in this area called MYLA. Whether you live in Howard, Carroll, Baltimore, or Harford County, your son (or daughter for that matter) can play at a variety of levels of "youth lacrosse" in MYLA. MYLA has an established and very successful lacrosse legacy in this area and they are strictly age-based. What makes this country great is that you have choices... you can choose where to buy a home, where to eat dinner, and where to have your kids play lacrosse. But with all things, choose wisely and if you're not happy with your product or service, make a different choice next time.

Let us be clear..This is YOUTH lacrosse. You sound like an pompous elitist with your remarks...I like your " This is elite Level Lacrosse".. I didn't know children nine years old were Elite lacrosse players?? Hilarious! I need to let Petro over at Hopkins in on your elite 10 year olds. He doesnt know that he is missing out on these "Elite players at age 9 , 10, 11, 12 , 13 , 14 children.. LOL..

Are you a county employee , because you sure sound like one?? How about explaining why Howard County Recreation Department went grade base instead of Age base like ALL their other leagues?? You the Howard County employee that helped make that decision??

16 year olds playing on 8th grade teams. Who at Howard County signed off on this nonsense? Complete negligence on their part. They better hope no one gets severely injured by these manchildren who should he in high school.

The comments were directed primarily at the 8th grade/2020 elite division which seems to be drawing the ire of many people. They were not meant to be pompous and there is no need to call "Petro" as he is a firm grasp of the club lacrosse landscape. If you did not know about the nature of holdbacks prior to this lacrosse season, I am sure you are fully cognizant of it now. I would encourage you to be better prepared for it next year or exercise your right to move to another club or league. The one thing you can't do is put yourself in the same exact position again next year but keep complaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The comments were directed primarily at the 8th grade/2020 elite division which seems to be drawing the ire of many people. They were not meant to be pompous and there is no need to call "Petro" as he is a firm grasp of the club lacrosse landscape. If you did not know about the nature of holdbacks prior to this lacrosse season, I am sure you are fully cognizant of it now. I would encourage you to be better prepared for it next year or exercise your right to move to another club or league. The one thing you can't do is put yourself in the same exact position again next year but keep complaining.

Follow the rules published by the league and maybe the league would not be "drawing the ire" of many people. Perhaps parents thought finally an organization that actually has rules and will expect people to follow them or have consequences. But we can see your point - surely it is our mistake. Says no parent in this league.

I'd love to know if this is a county employee spouting this "exercising your right to play elsewhere" drivel. How about this - my kid is in the elite division, can more than handle playing against kids two years older than him - BUT - you need to do your damn job and enforce the rules including the "natural grade progression" language in your faux rulebook. 16 years old in 8th grade is far from natural.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The comments were directed primarily at the 8th grade/2020 elite division which seems to be drawing the ire of many people. They were not meant to be pompous and there is no need to call "Petro" as he is a firm grasp of the club lacrosse landscape. If you did not know about the nature of holdbacks prior to this lacrosse season, I am sure you are fully cognizant of it now. I would encourage you to be better prepared for it next year or exercise your right to move to another club or league. The one thing you can't do is put yourself in the same exact position again next year but keep complaining.

You want to focus on the 8th grade team. Hard to do that when the league is set up for THIRD grade thru EIGHT grade. These so called select "Elite" players playing down are all thru these grades. Not just the 8th grade teams. Most people besides the holdback parents and their apologists think this is the wrong way to play YOUTH sports. Letting select kids play down goes against all we are taught in YOUTH sports. Not just Lacrosse but ALL sports.
Why not let Soccer do it? Why not let Football do it? Why not let baseball do it? Why not let Basketball do it? There is a reason that ALL competitive "ELITE" YOUTH sports go by age. Maybe you think we should all roll over and let you and your apologists destroy the CLUB YOUTH lacrosse. No, Myself along with many others will continue to voice our opinions. We love the game of Lacrosse and want some sanity to return to YOUTH lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The comments were directed primarily at the 8th grade/2020 elite division which seems to be drawing the ire of many people. They were not meant to be pompous and there is no need to call "Petro" as he is a firm grasp of the club lacrosse landscape. If you did not know about the nature of holdbacks prior to this lacrosse season, I am sure you are fully cognizant of it now. I would encourage you to be better prepared for it next year or exercise your right to move to another club or league. The one thing you can't do is put yourself in the same exact position again next year but keep complaining.

As a resident and taxpayer of Howard County and a parent of a son playing in the 2021 "Elite" group, I have wondered a number of times this Spring how Howard County, as a public body, could sanction a league based on class rather than age with no control over the age and size disparity this creates. I now have an answer. Apparently in the "Elite" divisions anything goes so long as a player is (very) technically enrolled in a particular grade, regardless of how old the player really is.

As a parent this is irritating. However, as a Howard County resident I wonder about the County's liability. The league is sanctioned by, organized by, and operated under rules adopted by Howard County. If a player is injured, the County's liability will come up since in that situation the County will be the "deep pocket". I hope (but I am not optimistic) that the County has thought through the grade based permutations it is allowing and sanctioning and how those permutations effect the County's liability and insurance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The comments were directed primarily at the 8th grade/2020 elite division which seems to be drawing the ire of many people. They were not meant to be pompous and there is no need to call "Petro" as he is a firm grasp of the club lacrosse landscape. If you did not know about the nature of holdbacks prior to this lacrosse season, I am sure you are fully cognizant of it now. I would encourage you to be better prepared for it next year or exercise your right to move to another club or league. The one thing you can't do is put yourself in the same exact position again next year but keep complaining.

As a resident and taxpayer of Howard County and a parent of a son playing in the 2021 "Elite" group, I have wondered a number of times this Spring how Howard County, as a public body, could sanction a league based on class rather than age with no control over the age and size disparity this creates. I now have an answer. Apparently in the "Elite" divisions anything goes so long as a player is (very) technically enrolled in a particular grade, regardless of how old the player really is.

As a parent this is irritating. However, as a Howard County resident I wonder about the County's liability. The league is sanctioned by, organized by, and operated under rules adopted by Howard County. If a player is injured, the County's liability will come up since in that situation the County will be the "deep pocket". I hope (but I am not optimistic) that the County has thought through the grade based permutations it is allowing and sanctioning and how those permutations effect the County's liability and insurance.

I'm sure that lawyers representing Howard County Parks and Rec, Anne Arundel County Parks and Rec and MYLA were directly involved or indirectly consulted in the drafting of the League's by-laws and rules. I'm sure they had a direct hand in developing the releases/waivers that parents signed before their boys were allowed to play.

May we PLEASE change the topic? It is, what it is and its growing very tiring discussing the holdback issue over and over... The season is almost up and we've got good lacrosse games ahead.

Just an opinion

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The comments were directed primarily at the 8th grade/2020 elite division which seems to be drawing the ire of many people. They were not meant to be pompous and there is no need to call "Petro" as he is a firm grasp of the club lacrosse landscape. If you did not know about the nature of holdbacks prior to this lacrosse season, I am sure you are fully cognizant of it now. I would encourage you to be better prepared for it next year or exercise your right to move to another club or league. The one thing you can't do is put yourself in the same exact position again next year but keep complaining.

Waivers were written and designed with the mindset that rules would be followed. Not interpretations of rules.

As a resident and taxpayer of Howard County and a parent of a son playing in the 2021 "Elite" group, I have wondered a number of times this Spring how Howard County, as a public body, could sanction a league based on class rather than age with no control over the age and size disparity this creates. I now have an answer. Apparently in the "Elite" divisions anything goes so long as a player is (very) technically enrolled in a particular grade, regardless of how old the player really is.

As a parent this is irritating. However, as a Howard County resident I wonder about the County's liability. The league is sanctioned by, organized by, and operated under rules adopted by Howard County. If a player is injured, the County's liability will come up since in that situation the County will be the "deep pocket". I hope (but I am not optimistic) that the County has thought through the grade based permutations it is allowing and sanctioning and how those permutations effect the County's liability and insurance.

I'm sure that lawyers representing Howard County Parks and Rec, Anne Arundel County Parks and Rec and MYLA were directly involved or indirectly consulted in the drafting of the League's by-laws and rules. I'm sure they had a direct hand in developing the releases/waivers that parents signed before their boys were allowed to play.

Next level over Sons and Hawks over FCA in 2020 elite. Both close games.

Any 2020 scores from today?

Is it legal for someone to play for a 2020 elite team and then change uniforms and play in the next game for a different 2020 team in another division? I'm guessing that is probably ok given everything else that is going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it legal for someone to play for a 2020 elite team and then change uniforms and play in the next game for a different 2020 team in another division? I'm guessing that is probably ok given everything else that is going on.

Who did that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2020 scores from today?

2020 Elite

Looney's over Team 91 7/4
Crabs over Rising Sons 5/4
Next Level over Rising Sons 8/7
Hawks over FCA 8/7

Google Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference and will see scores from each division.

Seedings for 2020 elite should be:

Crabs
Looneys
Hawks

Play-in game FCA v Next Level

[quote=Anonymous]Is it legal for someone to play for a 2020 elite team and then change uniforms and play in the next game for a different 2020 team in another division? I'm guessing that is probably ok given everything else that is going on.[/quote

Uh....no. What team did that or was it a totally hypothetical question? Both games should be a forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 2020 scores from today?

2020 Elite

Looney's over Team 91 7/4
Crabs over Rising Sons 5/4
Next Level over Rising Sons 8/7
Hawks over FCA 8/7

Google Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference and will see scores from each division.

Another great day of close games. Even the Looneys 9d1 game was 4-4 until the last three and a half minutes when Looneys had a 1-2-3 run. Great job to all the 2020 elite teams- great season of close games every week.

Wow, what is going on in Crabhy Patty land? Last week got spanked by FCA and this week barely makes it past Sons?!? You guys better all repeat 8th grade again!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, what is going on in Crabhy Patty land? Last week got spanked by FCA and this week barely makes it past Sons?!? You guys better all repeat 8th grade again!!

Nice troll post. Not gonna take your bait. It's a great league and Sons are a very well coached team with excellent players. And a great group of parents I might add. Now go back to your sponge bob reruns and your slurpee.

When you field an 8th grade team with 16 year olds and you are having trouble beating teams that are actually made up of on age 8th graders coaching accumen has got to come into question. Fat Crab is thin in that area.

If FCA gets by Next Level - watch the goon squad come out for Crabs in the playoff game. FCA much more talented than Crabs and age/maturity is Crabs trump card.

Let's also keep an eye on the migration of 2020 players to the 2021 team shortly after HOCO ends. It is the Crab way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you field an 8th grade team with 16 year olds and you are having trouble beating teams that are actually made up of on age 8th graders coaching accumen has got to come into question. Fat Crab is thin in that area.

If FCA gets by Next Level - watch the goon squad come out for Crabs in the playoff game. FCA much more talented than Crabs and age/maturity is Crabs trump card.

Let's also keep an eye on the migration of 2020 players to the 2021 team shortly after HOCO ends. It is the Crab way.

Do you need a new tampon?? You seem very agitated this morning.

The thing all parents and players should be focusing on is how great this season has been. No team has dominated. Yes, crabs are in first place. So what, they did not dominate to get there. Team91 doesn't have a win, but all of there games were competitive and easily could have gone their way. This type of competition is what most of us "normal" parents want for our kids. I could not have asked for a better season for my son or his team. It's great to be in a league where 1 or 2 teams are not blowing away teams by 10 or more goals. Just so we are clear, my son does not play for Crabs or 91. He is not a holdback. He's just a kid who likes to compete against top level competition. I know this post will fall short of convincing the whiners on both sides of the holdback and RM issues that the experience this year for all teams has been positive.
That's ok. For the majority, I hope they agree. Great season of Lacrosse! Congrats to all players and coaches!

Great group of parents? Any parent that holds their kid back 2 years in order to player younger kids is not a great parent. Any parent that pretends their 16 year should be on an 8th grade team is not a great parent. So - stop trying to whitewash the Crabs holdback scheme by saying it was a great season. It was a great season for the rest of the teams who actually have some integrity. The Crabs organization is built on deceit and the fact that teams that are actually competing and beating them speaks volumes about just how weak of an operation fat crab runs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The thing all parents and players should be focusing on is how great this season has been. No team has dominated. Yes, crabs are in first place. So what, they did not dominate to get there. Team91 doesn't have a win, but all of there games were competitive and easily could have gone their way. This type of competition is what most of us "normal" parents want for our kids. I could not have asked for a better season for my son or his team. It's great to be in a league where 1 or 2 teams are not blowing away teams by 10 or more goals. Just so we are clear, my son does not play for Crabs or 91. He is not a holdback. He's just a kid who likes to compete against top level competition. I know this post will fall short of convincing the whiners on both sides of the holdback and RM issues that the experience this year for all teams has been positive.
That's ok. For the majority, I hope they agree. Great season of Lacrosse! Congrats to all players and coaches!

Well you seem to miss the point of the people against the holdback mentality. We enjoy competitive lacrosse like everyone. What we dont enjoy is YOUTH Club Lacrosse letting select players play DOWN and get an advantage others arent allowed. Somehow that seems to be missing in your equation.
It would be just as competitive with proper age based teams like all other sports.

Forget grade and put the age at June 1 May 1 March 1 or whatever..Just let everyone who wants to play down get that advantage if they want. Would take care of whole problem immediately. But No we only let select kids play down now. just wrong at YOUTH level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great group of parents? Any parent that holds their kid back 2 years in order to player younger kids is not a great parent. Any parent that pretends their 16 year should be on an 8th grade team is not a great parent. So - stop trying to whitewash the Crabs holdback scheme by saying it was a great season. It was a great season for the rest of the teams who actually have some integrity. The Crabs organization is built on deceit and the fact that teams that are actually competing and beating them speaks volumes about just how weak of an operation fat crab runs.

pretty sure the original post was referring to rising sons parents

If that's truly your issue then do something about it. Take it up with the people that have some authority to make a change. If your not willing to do that, then you are just a complainer looking for attention. You are monopolizing this forum for your own personal reasons. Be happy for your son and his team. Use this forum to express that. Perhaps, your focus and tenacious pursuit to make things right are better suited for Washington, where issues affecting lives are a real concern.

Half the people on this forum are complete *** morons!!!

Make Youth Lacrosse Great Again!

The other half just want to see their son's be successful and play great competition and don't care about the crabs or holdback drama.

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1

Crabs is still the best club team around but the gap is narrowing quite a bit. Multiple teams are knocking at the door...
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Although the 2021 Crabs are extremely talented and have great depth, to say a few (which suggests a small number) just is not true. Please don't take me as a whiner as I for one welcome the challenge for my son as these older kids only make him better. Let's be honest with one another, it's at least 10-12 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

.

The daddy ball thing is really hard to watch across all youth sports. The absolute worse thing is Dads who coach high level teams primarily to protect their kids from getting cut and making sure they get playing time. The funny thing is all the parents see right thru it. Kid better be an absolute stud or that team won't survive long term.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1

Crabs is still the best club team around but the gap is narrowing quite a bit. Multiple teams are knocking at the door...
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Not an excuse.poster is just pointing out what everyone else already knows .funny you did not mention the 2020 with the whole starting line up plus some as older followed closely by the 2021s who have more than a few and will surely catch up next year in the uber holdback year. Give your team some time, they will catch up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

You are Hilarious. Now you have pushed the bar to " no one born before Spring of 2003/2004 " . What about the all the Summer birthday born children?? They are heldback according to USL age guidelines?? We know..they were in prefirst grade and not heldback..Little secret, it is the same thing! LOL

Why make up this BS..Just say that they are made up of many older players who get good coaching. Crabs have always had older teams even when it was age based. Just that the older players back then were made up of a lot of players born between Sept and Feb...Now they get a lot of heldback players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

2022 team did not play the top two teams in the standings. Let's revisit after the playoffs.

Fca worst daddy ball I've seen in long time. Seems to follow them to CH which is why CH can't move through MIAA bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Although the 2021 Crabs are extremely talented and have great depth, to say a few (which suggests a small number) just is not true. Please don't take me as a whiner as I for one welcome the challenge for my son as these older kids only make him better. Let's be honest with one another, it's at least 10-12 players.

It absolutely is no were near 10-12 on Crabs 2021. Not even close

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1

Crabs is still the best club team around but the gap is narrowing quite a bit. Multiple teams are knocking at the door...
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Well, if a 2022 player was born in Spring of 2003 they are 13 ( or getting ready). My son will finish the 2022 season at 11. 9/1/2003 is the cutroff for school so if a kid was born May 2003 then he started school late, was heldback/failed, or did that prefirst thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca worst daddy ball I've seen in long time. Seems to follow them to CH which is why CH can't move through MIAA bracket.

His son is a stud I'm not sure what you're talking about. Looneys has by far the worst daddy ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

2022 team did not play the top two teams in the standings. Let's revisit after the playoffs.

Crabs 2022 will not won anything all summer either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1

Crabs is still the best club team around but the gap is narrowing quite a bit. Multiple teams are knocking at the door...
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Only a few... ThIs is too funny! Not that you think the number is over estimated, but you say only a few - what-5/6 as if it's normal. Remember if any kid is worth their weight- they'd be playing up, not down.

If I was a parent of any holdback, I'd be worried if my team full of holdbacks was only beating other teams by 1 goal, losing or even in very competitive games with other on age teams. The holdbacks clearly can't "hold their own" even if they are 1-2 yrs older than their opponents. Remember parents, before you make a life changing decision for your kid, weigh the risks. Your kid may not be a game changer even on a younger team and in the long run may show better against kids his own age- at least the recruiters won't see him in evenly matched games or losing against younger kids. I'd think it's got to sting seeing younger kids recruited before your 1-2 yr older son. What happens if it doesn't pan out? Will it be worth it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca worst daddy ball I've seen in long time. Seems to follow them to CH which is why CH can't move through MIAA bracket.

His son is a stud I'm not sure what you're talking about. Looneys has by far the worst daddy ball

How about 9d1 MD? What's their daddy ball status?

2020 has multiple 16 year olds on their 8th grade team. The fact that they can't just bull rush their way through this league demonstrates just how weak they are skill wise. If any of the other teams in league played against kids who were 2 years younger they would roll. Not to mention that half the 2020 team will be on the 2021 next year. Crabs cheat - period. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Knock off your bullsh*t, Crabs has holdbacks even on their 2022 team, you know it and so do many others. Many have seen their rosters last November and we know the dates of birth. You can come on here and pound your puny chest all you want, the Crabs business model is well known, how Ryan M runs the program and it is build entirely around holdbacks.
Also remember, all other clubs that lose a game to Crabs do not consider it a loss, they consider it a scrimmage against an older team. Now we can wait for your blah blah blah reasoning as to why they are so great and there are hardly any holdbacks. Get a grip and face the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Although the 2021 Crabs are extremely talented and have great depth, to say a few (which suggests a small number) just is not true. Please don't take me as a whiner as I for one welcome the challenge for my son as these older kids only make him better. Let's be honest with one another, it's at least 10-12 players.

It absolutely is no were near 10-12 on Crabs 2021. Not even close

So you mean it is closer to 15-18 holdbacks? Is that what you are really trying to say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

the 2021 Crabs have a bunch of holdbacks. I think that the parents like to think that pre-first is not a holdback. If your kid is a year older than the kids that are ON AGE for their grade, they are a holdback. I also heard a parent say that one of the 2023 kids is actually in 6th grade. Not sure if that is true or not but it wouldn't surprise me based on Crabs blatant disregard for the rules. Now they have holdback kids so their teams are older AND if a kid is in the correct grade for his age, they let him play down a grade and lie about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

I do not like what some or most of these top clubs are about. But I will take that over Daddy ball every day of the week. Yelling coaches is better then coaches son playing more because he is the coaches son. And the other big thing with Daddy coaches is the Daddy coaches have friends who are dads of several other kids on the team. So you really never know if the coach is playing the best players at all times. Most coaches sons are good to great players. But when you see your son come out first when the team is up and not the coaches son it will just eat at you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca worst daddy ball I've seen in long time. Seems to follow them to CH which is why CH can't move through MIAA bracket.

His son is a stud I'm not sure what you're talking about. Looneys has by far the worst daddy ball

How about 9d1 MD? What's their daddy ball status?

Well his son is one of the best if not the best player on the team. He on the other hand is one of the most despicable excuses for a coach and mentor of young boys in the game.

Why BOTC still chooses to advertise for his camps while editing out the name of his club is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

Neither one. The statement is very clear, take that over being associated with Crabs. Daddy coach is not the preferred, but when it comes to Crabs and how dishonest that organization is run, led by Ryan McClernan. the fat king cheat, daddy coach at least isn't a cesspool like Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

Neither one. The statement is very clear, take that over being associated with Crabs. Daddy coach is not the preferred, but when it comes to Crabs and how dishonest that organization is run, led by Ryan McClernan. the fat king cheat, daddy coach at least isn't a cesspool like Crabs.

I can not really grasp why your sons club coach needs to be such a great guy. I mold and control my sons morals and behavior. I can see a issue with a high school or college coach. But my son only spends time with his club coach on the practice field and game field. They do not sit down for hours and talk about life. Maybe your club coaches are spending this kind of time with you boys but I do not see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the 2021 Crabs have a bunch of holdbacks. I think that the parents like to think that pre-first is not a holdback. If your kid is a year older than the kids that are ON AGE for their grade, they are a holdback. I also heard a parent say that one of the 2023 kids is actually in 6th grade. Not sure if that is true or not but it wouldn't surprise me based on Crabs blatant disregard for the rules. Now they have holdback kids so their teams are older AND if a kid is in the correct grade for his age, they let him play down a grade and lie about it.

How many Crabs kids were on a 2020 team last year. I can name at least 2 who were "re-classed" back to 7th grade this year from another club. Thanks for being the willing partner BL!

Read recent article by Quint K. Talks about less and less kids being recruited to play lacrosse out of MIAA because shift to recruiting athletes and not lacrosse players. Lots of daddy's sons are great lacrosse players but not very athletic. Well see how many make it to the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Read recent article by Quint K. Talks about less and less kids being recruited to play lacrosse out of MIAA because shift to recruiting athletes and not lacrosse players. Lots of daddy's sons are great lacrosse players but not very athletic. Well see how many make it to the next level.

Quint's article said nothing of the sort. While he did say that some of the MIAA kids are not as athletic as kids in other areas of the country, you made up the part about them not being recruited. He mentioned that the MIAA kids have lacrosse IQ that the other, more athletic kids do not. Do you really think MIAA kids aren't being recruited?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

Neither one. The statement is very clear, take that over being associated with Crabs. Daddy coach is not the preferred, but when it comes to Crabs and how dishonest that organization is run, led by Ryan McClernan. the fat king cheat, daddy coach at least isn't a cesspool like Crabs.

I can not really grasp why your sons club coach needs to be such a great guy. I mold and control my sons morals and behavior. I can see a issue with a high school or college coach. But my son only spends time with his club coach on the practice field and game field. They do not sit down for hours and talk about life. Maybe your club coaches are spending this kind of time with you boys but I do not see it.

"I can not really grasp why your sons club coach needs to be such a great guy."

Really? Guy above is lunatic crab hater but you don't care about whether you sons lacrosse coach is a good person? Yes - I'd take a parent coach over a 20 something MLL guy who is a jerk. That said I'm sure many of those guys are good guys coaching for the right reasons...just like most of the dad coaches involved in clubs. We are fortunate in this area to have many who were both accomplished players and are dedicated to learning how to coach kids. Coaching your kids is never easy for a multitude of reasons. Kudos to those who volunteer and do it right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

Neither one. The statement is very clear, take that over being associated with Crabs. Daddy coach is not the preferred, but when it comes to Crabs and how dishonest that organization is run, led by Ryan McClernan. the fat king cheat, daddy coach at least isn't a cesspool like Crabs.

Take a closer look at their coaches. There are some dads that coach.

Easy to be successful when you have some older players on the team. It's crazy how much better the 2022 team got from last years team. A lot of new faces on that team. Where did those kids come from? Older team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

Neither one. The statement is very clear, take that over being associated with Crabs. Daddy coach is not the preferred, but when it comes to Crabs and how dishonest that organization is run, led by Ryan McClernan. the fat king cheat, daddy coach at least isn't a cesspool like Crabs.

Take a closer look at their coaches. There are some dads that coach.

Easy to be successful when you have some older players on the team. It's crazy how much better the 2022 team got from last years team. A lot of new faces on that team. Where did those kids come from? Older team?

Stop throwing out lies. There is nobody on the 2022 team that was on Crabs or any other 2021 team last year. The new kids are from Club Blue, Koopers and one from PA.

Also, while of course some of the Crabs' coaches have kids that play for Crabs, it is very, very rare that they coach their own children.

I'll stand by for the Crabs 2022 team hasn't beaten anyone posts......

He said MIAA kids are being recruited..that's obvious. He said they are being recruited less then previous years because sport has grown and colleges would rather have athlete from FL or Michigan than a high lax IQ from MIAA. MIAA certainly has some athletes too but I see many small, slow, weak, and wussies that are great stick twirlers and understa b d the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

I would take daddy ball any day of the week than to be associated with a cesspool club like Crabs, which has no integrity.

Ridiculous comment...you must either be a daddy coach or a beer drinking buddy of the daddy coach.

Neither one. The statement is very clear, take that over being associated with Crabs. Daddy coach is not the preferred, but when it comes to Crabs and how dishonest that organization is run, led by Ryan McClernan. the fat king cheat, daddy coach at least isn't a cesspool like Crabs.

Take a closer look at their coaches. There are some dads that coach.

Easy to be successful when you have some older players on the team. It's crazy how much better the 2022 team got from last years team. A lot of new faces on that team. Where did those kids come from? Older team?

Stop throwing out lies. There is nobody on the 2022 team that was on Crabs or any other 2021 team last year. The new kids are from Club Blue, Koopers and one from PA.

Also, while of course some of the Crabs' coaches have kids that play for Crabs, it is very, very rare that they coach their own children.

I'll stand by for the Crabs 2022 team hasn't beaten anyone posts......

What lies? There are dads that coach as you stated.

There are new faces on the 2022 team as you stated.

I asked the question where did they come from which you answered. Now since you know so much about the team.

How many are holdback? Please don't lie

And summer birthdays, those count as a half point in the shame on you contest we are all playing.

And the ones that are "thinking" about it. SMH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fca worst daddy ball I've seen in long time. Seems to follow them to CH which is why CH can't move through MIAA bracket.

His son is a stud I'm not sure what you're talking about. Looneys has by far the worst daddy ball

How about 9d1 MD? What's their daddy ball status?

It is an issue on some of their teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

Overall winning percentage for clubs' teams playing at the top level in HoCo (Elite, AA, etc.)
Crabs - 4 Teams - 22-2 - 92% (Crabs does not field 2024 & 2025 teams)
Hawks - 6 Teams - 22-14 - 61%
Team 91 - 4 Teams - 14-10 - 58%
Bethesda - 7 Teams - 23-18 - 56% (Bethesda had 3 teams a the top 2025 level)
Madlax - 4 Team - 12-11 - 52%
API Diamondbacks - 3 Teams - 8-10 - 44%
FCA - 4 Teams - 10-14 - 42%
Looney's - 5 Teams - 12-17 - 41%
Next Level - 4 Teams - 9-15 - 38%

Any club that could not field 3 teams at the top levels is not shown.

It does look like it is the Crabs and then a big gap between everyone else. (commence whining)

Thank you Captain Obvious!! Now for more news the sun will rise from the east tomorrow!

Village Idiot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

Overall winning percentage for clubs' teams playing at the top level in HoCo (Elite, AA, etc.)
Crabs - 4 Teams - 22-2 - 92% (Crabs does not field 2024 & 2025 teams)
Hawks - 6 Teams - 22-14 - 61%
Team 91 - 4 Teams - 14-10 - 58%
Bethesda - 7 Teams - 23-18 - 56% (Bethesda had 3 teams a the top 2025 level)
Madlax - 4 Team - 12-11 - 52%
API Diamondbacks - 3 Teams - 8-10 - 44%
FCA - 4 Teams - 10-14 - 42%
Looney's - 5 Teams - 12-17 - 41%
Next Level - 4 Teams - 9-15 - 38%

Any club that could not field 3 teams at the top levels is not shown.

It does look like it is the Crabs and then a big gap between everyone else. (commence whining)

The Crabs in the past ( age base era

) had teams loaded with older players for their age group. The U13AA and U15AA had some talented kids on age. Many were near the older range of their age group.

Makes total sense now that the Crabs would get the most holdbacks/prefirsts ?? With the many holdbacks/prefirsts Crabs have, and many probably even older on age kids .. Crabs have some of the better teams by far.

Pretty predictable. Anyone getting close or beating them should be getting a medal.

If by stud you mean...skinny, weak, and slow then yes...his son is a stud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If by stud you mean...skinny, weak, and slow then yes...his son is a stud.

The post was referring to the FCA coach's kid. Is that who you are referring to?

Someone has way too much time on his hands. Might as well not count the Crabs 2020 elite wins. Fraudulent lineup. 16 year olds do not belong on 8th grade teams. Crabs win the holdback crown! Yea for fat crab! Pass the cheezballs and onion wings!

Not so fast. Jumbo crabs are struggling. Have to go with the mediums, fca to steal the ship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not so fast. Jumbo crabs are struggling. Have to go with the mediums, fca to steal the ship.

They certainly could if all 12 "late summer birthdays" rise to the occasion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not so fast. Jumbo crabs are struggling. Have to go with the mediums, fca to steal the ship.

They certainly could if all 12 "late summer birthdays" rise to the occasion.

Let's hope their defender flying in from Alabama is friendly enough with the Looneys fogo flying in from Florida so they can share a car from the airport to the fields on Saturday. There are a few team mates that could drive to pick them up or maybe The Crabs starting line up can draw straws to see who has to go pick them up. Kind of a joke of a playoff amongst who are the most successful of the rules manipulators.

FCA will lose in play in game too Next Level..they played game of their lives against Crabs and then stink up the joint the next weekend. Loonies or Crabs wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not so fast. Jumbo crabs are struggling. Have to go with the mediums, fca to steal the ship.

They certainly could if all 12 "late summer birthdays" rise to the occasion.

Let's hope their defender flying in from Alabama is friendly enough with the Looneys fogo flying in from Florida so they can share a car from the airport to the fields on Saturday. There are a few team mates that could drive to pick them up or maybe The Crabs starting line up can draw straws to see who has to go pick them up. Kind of a joke of a playoff amongst who are the most successful of the rules manipulators.

Thats Funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Knock off your bullsh*t, Crabs has holdbacks even on their 2022 team, you know it and so do many others. Many have seen their rosters last November and we know the dates of birth. You can come on here and pound your puny chest all you want, the Crabs business model is well known, how Ryan M runs the program and it is build entirely around holdbacks.
Also remember, all other clubs that lose a game to Crabs do not consider it a loss, they consider it a scrimmage against an older team. Now we can wait for your blah blah blah reasoning as to why they are so great and there are hardly any holdbacks. Get a grip and face the truth.

Your son is weak, you are an idiot who rationalizes all your failures rather then owning them...Your parents must be so disappointed as are your children. You are a failure and you are raising a failure. YOU are what is wrong with this country

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Knock off your bullsh*t, Crabs has holdbacks even on their 2022 team, you know it and so do many others. Many have seen their rosters last November and we know the dates of birth. You can come on here and pound your puny chest all you want, the Crabs business model is well known, how Ryan M runs the program and it is build entirely around holdbacks.
Also remember, all other clubs that lose a game to Crabs do not consider it a loss, they consider it a scrimmage against an older team. Now we can wait for your blah blah blah reasoning as to why they are so great and there are hardly any holdbacks. Get a grip and face the truth.

Your son is weak, you are an idiot who rationalizes all your failures rather then owning them...Your parents must be so disappointed as are your children. You are a failure and you are raising a failure. YOU are what is wrong with this country

There you go again, whining like a baby, Did you teach your son how to whine or did he teach you. Sorry buddy, you are what is wrong with this country and so many other things. You belong to a dishonest organization, teach your little whiny son it is good to cheat to get ahead, it is good to be dishonest as long as it benefits you, do I need to go on. You are the one that is an absolute failure, having your son play down to look better, then pound your weak chest and think how great he is playing against younger kids. You seem to think and act like you are mighty big man hiding behind a computer when in fact you are demonstrating how much of an assho*l you are. And be careful and have some respect when mentioning someone's parents. I have lost both of mine and I really resent that comment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Knock off your bullsh*t, Crabs has holdbacks even on their 2022 team, you know it and so do many others. Many have seen their rosters last November and we know the dates of birth. You can come on here and pound your puny chest all you want, the Crabs business model is well known, how Ryan M runs the program and it is build entirely around holdbacks.
Also remember, all other clubs that lose a game to Crabs do not consider it a loss, they consider it a scrimmage against an older team. Now we can wait for your blah blah blah reasoning as to why they are so great and there are hardly any holdbacks. Get a grip and face the truth.

Your son is weak, you are an idiot who rationalizes all your failures rather then owning them...Your parents must be so disappointed as are your children. You are a failure and you are raising a failure. YOU are what is wrong with this country

I don't get the whole reclass attitude- do you consider the wins successful games because you can beat younger players? If that's your definition of success, I'm glad I don't subscribe. It's got to be getting hard seeing the holdbacks not running over all the on age players. At least when the on age players blow past the holdback they have full reason to pat themselves on the back- can't say that for the holdbacks. Keep training- otherwise they might get overlooked, even playing down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Knock off your bullsh*t, Crabs has holdbacks even on their 2022 team, you know it and so do many others. Many have seen their rosters last November and we know the dates of birth. You can come on here and pound your puny chest all you want, the Crabs business model is well known, how Ryan M runs the program and it is build entirely around holdbacks.
Also remember, all other clubs that lose a game to Crabs do not consider it a loss, they consider it a scrimmage against an older team. Now we can wait for your blah blah blah reasoning as to why they are so great and there are hardly any holdbacks. Get a grip and face the truth.

Your son is weak, you are an idiot who rationalizes all your failures rather then owning them...Your parents must be so disappointed as are your children. You are a failure and you are raising a failure. YOU are what is wrong with this country

While there are some over the top remarks here.. letting a select group of older kids that are heldback play down,, goes against the spirit of YOUTH athletics to the majority of this country. It may be within the rules written by ignorant government workers of Howard County, but that doesnt make it right.
I am sure that the majority of people in this country think that is wrong.

The rules of the league are fine. It is the County's interpretation of their own rules that is the issue.

It doesn't matter. Just let it go. No one will remember who wins the 2020 elite division in 2016. Next level is going to win cause they cheat too.

No proof but it certainly looked like a kid played for Crabs 2020 elite in 10:30 game and then turned around and played on same field at 12:00 for Cannons 2020 AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No proof but it certainly looked like a kid played for Crabs 2020 elite in 10:30 game and then turned around and played on same field at 12:00 for Cannons 2020 AA.

You need to get your eyes checked. That didn't happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No proof but it certainly looked like a kid played for Crabs 2020 elite in 10:30 game and then turned around and played on same field at 12:00 for Cannons 2020 AA.

A Crabs kid playing for 2 teams? They never bend the rules I doubt that happened

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear now that regular season is done that Crabs is still most dominant club in Maryland. Hawks #2 in wins. Say what you want about Crabs but they don't play this daddy ball, daddy's friends with Coach that most these other clubs seem to run their teams with.

2023 - 6-0
2022 - 5-1
2021 - 6-0
2020 - 5-1
No other club even close.

No, they just play the "let me field a team 1-2 years old than the other teams"' to win a youth lacrosse game.

Stop whining. No one on the 2022 or 2023 is born before spring of 2003/2004 for their grade. And the 2021s only have a few holdbacks. Come up with another excuse.

Knock off your bullsh*t, Crabs has holdbacks even on their 2022 team, you know it and so do many others. Many have seen their rosters last November and we know the dates of birth. You can come on here and pound your puny chest all you want, the Crabs business model is well known, how Ryan M runs the program and it is build entirely around holdbacks.
Also remember, all other clubs that lose a game to Crabs do not consider it a loss, they consider it a scrimmage against an older team. Now we can wait for your blah blah blah reasoning as to why they are so great and there are hardly any holdbacks. Get a grip and face the truth.

Your son is weak, you are an idiot who rationalizes all your failures rather then owning them...Your parents must be so disappointed as are your children. You are a failure and you are raising a failure. YOU are what is wrong with this country

Wow, you sound like someone with serious anger issues.

Crabs cheating? Say it ain't so....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs cheating? Say it ain't so....

No, it ain't so jackass. You really think Crabs 2020 has a kid that play for Cannons also? The crap people make up on here to stir up trouble is unbelievable.

I have no idea if it is true - but - when an organization fields and 8th grade team that has 16 year olds in the line-up it wouldn't surprise me. There is nothing made up about that....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs cheating? Say it ain't so....

No, it ain't so jackass. You really think Crabs 2020 has a kid that play for Cannons also? The crap people make up on here to stir up trouble is unbelievable.

they do. he played crabs in fall and is real deal. he played in fall but apparently lives too far to travel for spring practices. would assume he'll be with them for the summer but no idea if he doubled dipped for hoco league, but my sons team played cannons at st paul's and he was playing. over 6ft, fast, rocket

Well if you ask and look at the kids coming out of the non hot bed areas they play for like 3 clubs a year. These no hotbed area kids use the clubs like a Free agent would but not season to season but tournament to tournament. So it should shock anyone that a kid is doing something like that here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs cheating? Say it ain't so....

No, it ain't so jackass. You really think Crabs 2020 has a kid that play for Cannons also? The crap people make up on here to stir up trouble is unbelievable.

they do. he played crabs in fall and is real deal. he played in fall but apparently lives too far to travel for spring practices. would assume he'll be with them for the summer but no idea if he doubled dipped for hoco league, but my sons team played cannons at st paul's and he was playing. over 6ft, fast, rocket

An over 6 foot 8th grade Crab?!? That narrows it down.

They probably figure all the other rules have been ignored so nobody is going to care if another is broken.

Straight from the rulebook (if you want to call it that):

Players may only play for one team in this conference. Any player on more then one roster will result in the forfeiture of all games scheduled for both teams and the removal of the player from the conference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs cheating? Say it ain't so....

No, it ain't so jackass. You really think Crabs 2020 has a kid that play for Cannons also? The crap people make up on here to stir up trouble is unbelievable.

they do. he played crabs in fall and is real deal. he played in fall but apparently lives too far to travel for spring practices. would assume he'll be with them for the summer but no idea if he doubled dipped for hoco league, but my sons team played cannons at st paul's and he was playing. over 6ft, fast, rocket

Well that is good news for Crabs. Let me get my detective hat on..
Since he is with Cannons this year. Probably not a MIAA school kid. Probably isnt a prefirst kid so must be on age... Means he is true age 8th grader..1st deduction
Great, now he will be heldback next year and go into 8th grade again at BL..2nd deduction
So we will see him full time next year on Crabs 2020..3rd deduction ...
Just a little fun..Relax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No proof but it certainly looked like a kid played for Crabs 2020 elite in 10:30 game and then turned around and played on same field at 12:00 for Cannons 2020 AA.

No he did not play against the Sons. They have like eight 6 footers. DS was not one of them.

He played

According the Conference rules: "No player can be added after the 4th game of the season. Players may only play for one team in this conference. Any player on more then one roster will result in the forfeiture of all games scheduled for both teams and the removal of the player from the conference."

I hope fat crab is dumb enough to play him in playoffs. I know who he is and his number. I'll see both the Cannons game and the Crsbs game. If he plays in both I will pay the $50 and drop the dime on him.

There was a Team in 2021 A that got busted for breaking this rule. Several of their players also played on a AA team. We lost to them but got the win because they had to forfeit.

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Nice young men do not break rules and this is a pretty well known rule even to the kids. Actions have consequences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Just a quick google search and there are actually 2 players that play on both teams

He is 16 too.

Does it feel good to spread lies? Plenty of videotape available to prove the trolls wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Why did his parents let him do this? That is the question...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was a Team in 2021 A that got busted for breaking this rule. Several of their players also played on a AA team. We lost to them but got the win because they had to forfeit.

What two teams are you referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Why did his parents let him do this? That is the question...

Has this been confirmed? Not surprised that Crabs would do this but if it is, they should forfeit and the kid should be banned.

The kid definitely plays for the Cannons in HOCO. If he suits up for the Crabs that is direct violation of the rules. I would have to imagine the fat crab is still reeling from the FCA beating. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this kid in his line up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Why did his parents let him do this? That is the question...

Has this been confirmed? Not surprised that Crabs would do this but if it is, they should forfeit and the kid should be banned.

It cant be confirmed because its not true. Nice try Nifong...Go back into your hole.

Saturday will be interesting - fat crab will probably have some 2019s in the lineup. He couldn't live with another loss to FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Why did his parents let him do this? That is the question...

Has this been confirmed? Not surprised that Crabs would do this but if it is, they should forfeit and the kid should be banned.

It cant be confirmed because its not true. Nice try Nifong...Go back into your hole.

Really sad how some people are willing to ruin the reputation of a really nice kid and his family so they can push their "I hate Crabs" agenda on this site. Deplorable behavior.

Get over yourself. Any family that is a part of the Crabs deserves the scorn of the rest of the lacrosse community.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He seemed like a very nice young man and is an incredible lacrosse player. It is very sad that he got caught up in this. The kids saw him changing uniforms between games.

Why did his parents let him do this? That is the question...

Has this been confirmed? Not surprised that Crabs would do this but if it is, they should forfeit and the kid should be banned.

It cant be confirmed because its not true. Nice try Nifong...Go back into your hole.

Really sad how some people are willing to ruin the reputation of a really nice kid and his family so they can push their "I hate Crabs" agenda on this site. Deplorable behavior.

And that, my friend, is called deflection. Quite skillful. Kudos!

FCA has to get by Next Level first. FCA daddy ball and daddy's friends ball may hurt them.

Probably why FCA has one of worst winning percentages in HOCO. Thats what happens when dad's run your teams. Not playing best players. Just making your buddies feel good because their kids on the field. Been Kelly's way for years.

Tell that to crabs 2020 elite. Destroyed by FCA

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occassionally. FCA record against Crabs is 1 win and 7 losses. Some loses were by 10+ goals. Please don't try to compare FCA to Crabs. They aren't even in same league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occassionally. FCA record against Crabs is 1 win and 7 losses. Some loses were by 10+ goals. Please don't try to compare FCA to Crabs. They aren't even in same league.

Are you guys 11 years old? No skin in this game but fca is in fact in the same exact league... the hoco 2020 elite league in which Crabs lost to said fca team. For FCA dad how about some humility as well? Rather than "FCA destroyed them", how about they played a fantastic game and we can't wait to we see them again for another challenge? What are you guys teaching your boys? You know they can use the internet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occassionally. FCA record against Crabs is 1 win and 7 losses. Some loses were by 10+ goals. Please don't try to compare FCA to Crabs. They aren't even in same league.

Of course they aren't in the same league...Crabs has at least double the amount of holdbacks. They are in a league of their own for that reason only. And what is Crabs excuse that Rising Sons only lost by one to them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably why FCA has one of worst winning percentages in HOCO. Thats what happens when dad's run your teams. Not playing best players. Just making your buddies feel good because their kids on the field. Been Kelly's way for years.

If you really knew anything about the 2020 Elite division you would know that all the games were very close games - the records, including FCAs are not the only indicators when people who know the game review results.

If you know the 2020 elite division you also know that the Crabs team is full of single and double Holdbacks including 16 year olds. Teams with 16 year olds in the line up should be decimating the other teams in this league. They are not. Anyone care to wager that the Cannons kid is in the lineup tomorrow?

Recruiters have moved on from 2020.
Lolling now at 2022.
Sorry dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recruiters have moved on from 2020.
Lolling now at 2022.
Sorry dads.

They are looking at 2021s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Recruiters have moved on from 2020.
Lolling now at 2022.
Sorry dads.

They are looking at 2021s?

It was a joke.

So did FCA beat Next Level?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did FCA beat Next Level?

Yes 10-6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occassionally. FCA record against Crabs is 1 win and 7 losses. Some loses were by 10+ goals. Please don't try to compare FCA to Crabs. They aren't even in same league.

Of course they aren't in the same league...Crabs has at least double the amount of holdbacks. They are in a league of their own for that reason only. And what is Crabs excuse that Rising Sons only lost by one to them?

Clearly the crabs aren't playing very well right now

Im sure fat crab will be on his best behavior today. What new mystery player will be in the line up? How many 16 year olds will be on the field at one time? Total joke of an organization. I hope they beat FCA so Looneys or Hawks can take them down in the final. Crab ball might just die right there on the sideline.

F.C.A....Full (of themselves) Choke Artists. Crabs pummel them 15-5. I guess Calvert Hall future not so bright. Nice win Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

F.C.A....Full (of themselves) Choke Artists. Crabs pummel them 15-5. I guess Calvert Hall future not so bright. Nice win Crabs.

What a nice sportsmanlike post Crab parent. Not affiliated with either team but Crabs and their supporters never fail to disappoint in their lack of character.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

F.C.A....Full (of themselves) Choke Artists. Crabs pummel them 15-5. I guess Calvert Hall future not so bright. Nice win Crabs.

stay classy crab fan. who won looneys - hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

F.C.A....Full (of themselves) Choke Artists. Crabs pummel them 15-5. I guess Calvert Hall future not so bright. Nice win Crabs.

stay classy crab fan. who won looneys - hawks?

Looney's won 12-8

Loonies vs Crabs at 1:30. We all predicted this final 3 months ago.

Cheating Crabs vs Cheating Looneys. How quaint. Does Crab ball cry foul if they lose because of the illegal FOGO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cheating Crabs vs Cheating Looneys. How quaint. Does Crab ball cry foul if they lose because of the illegal FOGO?

Fogo was not the difference in the Hawks game. Hawks were just out played.

Looney's handily beats Crabs for 2020 title. Epic meltdown on the sideline by King Crab - later found curled up in corner of Blandair park bathroom crying for mommy binge eating cheezballs. Back to the drawing board fatty crab.....

The FOGO in the Hawks game game won virtually every face off. You are clueless....

Anyone no where #4 on Looney's came from? Haven't seen him on the field all season. Don't remember #6 either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FOGO in the Hawks game game won virtually every face off. You are clueless....

First of all, I said he was not the difference. Which he wasn't. I was simply pointing out that they would have won with or without him today. Having said that, he only dominated when the Hawks fogo was out of the game because of violations during the 2nd quarter. Otherwise, Hawks fogo tied up Looneys fogo pretty well and made it a fight. He also won several. The bigger issue is people trying make it a point that Looney's can't win without the fla. kid. I disagree. Everyone knows that the Looneys Fogo is probably the best out there. I am not taking anything away from him. Was trying to give credit to Looneys as a team.

Looneys FOGO is a difference maker in a big way. The Hawks FOGO was schooled repeatedly. He should have been yanked earlier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys FOGO is a difference maker in a big way. The Hawks FOGO was schooled repeatedly. He should have been yanked earlier.

Please learn how to process what you read. Nobody said he is not a difference maker. Everyone knows he's awesome. The initial post was meant as a compliment to Looneys as a team and to point out that one player does not define a team and whether they can win a game. Are you saying that Looneys can't win without him? Ouch.. Hope other Looneys players and parents don't agree with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone no where #4 on Looney's came from? Haven't seen him on the field all season. Don't remember #6 either.

They are both new to Looney's but have been on the team since last fall and have played in every game since last fall. And both are on age.

I'm saying it's pretty darn hard to win a game if you can't win a face off. He wins them all so that is a huge advantage. He also happens to be an illegal player because he plays in high school - but - this is HOCO - so anything goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm saying it's pretty darn hard to win a game if you can't win a face off. He wins them all so that is a huge advantage. He also happens to be an illegal player because he plays in high school - but - this is HOCO - so anything goes.

But at least he is on age, not a 16 year old 8th grader like some of the Crabs 2020 players. Crabs are loaded with holdbacks, that is the way their teams are put together. Other 2020 elite teams have some holdbacks, maybe 3 to 4 but other teams do not specifically build their team on holdbacks like Crabs program does. Get use to seeing this FOGO, he is going to McDonogh this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys FOGO is a difference maker in a big way. The Hawks FOGO was schooled repeatedly. He should have been yanked earlier.

Please learn how to process what you read. Nobody said he is not a difference maker. Everyone knows he's awesome. The initial post was meant as a compliment to Looneys as a team and to point out that one player does not define a team and whether they can win a game. Are you saying that Looneys can't win without him? Ouch.. Hope other Looneys players and parents don't agree with you.

Games would be even without him like they have been for them in the games he is not there. Talk to the defenders who left the team because they never get any experience when he plays. A team is a team - yet Looneys is centered around one player. The parents and players know they would not have won this game or others without him. They do not stand a chance against Crush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys FOGO is a difference maker in a big way. The Hawks FOGO was schooled repeatedly. He should have been yanked earlier.

Please learn how to process what you read. Nobody said he is not a difference maker. Everyone knows he's awesome. The initial post was meant as a compliment to Looneys as a team and to point out that one player does not define a team and whether they can win a game. Are you saying that Looneys can't win without him? Ouch.. Hope other Looneys players and parents don't agree with you.

Games would be even without him like they have been for them in the games he is not there. Talk to the defenders who left the team because they never get any experience when he plays. A team is a team - yet Looneys is centered around one player. The parents and players know they would not have won this game or others without him. They do not stand a chance against Crush.

They are not centered around one player. What defenders left the team because of the FOGO? Crabs does not have a dominant FOGO so today without Looney's FOGO. they still could have beaten Crabs, they outplayed Crabs in all aspects of the game.
I am getting the feeling you are a Crabs dad with an ax to grind because you lost, even with all of the older players. Today Looney's skilled players outplayed the older holdbacks and that does not sit well with Crabs. They are expected to win simply because they are bigger and older. That theory was completely destroyed today, it didn't work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys FOGO is a difference maker in a big way. The Hawks FOGO was schooled repeatedly. He should have been yanked earlier.

Please learn how to process what you read. Nobody said he is not a difference maker. Everyone knows he's awesome. The initial post was meant as a compliment to Looneys as a team and to point out that one player does not define a team and whether they can win a game. Are you saying that Looneys can't win without him? Ouch.. Hope other Looneys players and parents don't agree with you.

Games would be even without him like they have been for them in the games he is not there. Talk to the defenders who left the team because they never get any experience when he plays. A team is a team - yet Looneys is centered around one player. The parents and players know they would not have won this game or others without him. They do not stand a chance against Crush.

What and Crabs does, they can beat Crush. Not a chance.

Crabs are older kids playing against younger kids - that is it in a nutshell. Nothing more. Bruisers and meatheads who get by on size and maturity. An 8th grade team stacked with 16 year olds shouldn't be losing (FCA/Looneys) or barely beating (Sons/Hawks) on age teams. Looneys 2020 is a far better team and it was painfully (particularly for Crab ball) obvious on Saturday. Now that the season is over we will see the migration of the "younger" 2020 Crabs players reclass to the 2021 team and this nonsense will start over all over again.

If there are any Crabs parents on here who are tired of watching their child be berated and cursed at by the fat crab I'd suggest you take a look at some of the other options available - there are more than a few and my guess is you and your son would be a whole lot happier. If your kid is good enough to play D1 you don't need to reclass or buy the Crabs snake oil to get there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys FOGO is a difference maker in a big way. The Hawks FOGO was schooled repeatedly. He should have been yanked earlier.

Please learn how to process what you read. Nobody said he is not a difference maker. Everyone knows he's awesome. The initial post was meant as a compliment to Looneys as a team and to point out that one player does not define a team and whether they can win a game. Are you saying that Looneys can't win without him? Ouch.. Hope other Looneys players and parents don't agree with you.

Games would be even without him like they have been for them in the games he is not there. Talk to the defenders who left the team because they never get any experience when he plays. A team is a team - yet Looneys is centered around one player. The parents and players know they would not have won this game or others without him. They do not stand a chance against Crush.

What and Crabs does, they can beat Crush. Not a chance.

What?? Is that supposed to mean something?

Sorry.....no defenseman have left team....not true.

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

Crabs - 4 teams in the playoffs and 1 championship. The "premiere" MD program got schooled. Let the reclassification process begin! 2021 team will soon be full of 2020 players. Complete fraud,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs - 4 teams in the playoffs and 1 championship. The "premiere" MD program got schooled. Let the reclassification process begin! 2021 team will soon be full of 2020 players. Complete fraud,

Are you always this bitchy towards your husband? You must really get on his nerves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry.....no defenseman have left team....not true.

Keep telling yourself that. Went to AA team to play for a former coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

Also surprising to see that none of the FCA teams were present.

Six diff. clubs won the ship. That is encouraging. Glad to see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

If Derrick Thompson is the person responsible for this league , then He should get a special award from USL for turning Maryland Club Youth lacrosse into the cesspool it has become.

This takes nothing away from the kids and the talent showing up each week.

But having Youth Lacrosse letting select kids play down due to being held back goes against everything that is taught in this country about YOUTH SPORTS.

And especially since ALL other YOUTH programs in Howard County are age base.

Congratulations Derrick Thompson you get the special Slime award of turning Youth lacrosse into a cesspool..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Six diff. clubs won the ship. That is encouraging. Glad to see it.

I think the Fact that 6 diff clubs won a ship is a good thing. But this means the parent of a son about to pick a club team needs to do research on the age group there son is in. No longer can you just say Johnny played for team X and got a full ride so I will have my son play for them. You have to research the roster and the coach for your age group club only and not look at the years before or after.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

If Derrick Thompson is the person responsible for this league , then He should get a special award from USL for turning Maryland Club Youth lacrosse into the cesspool it has become.

Why all the anger man? Please get over it... Great season for all.

This takes nothing away from the kids and the talent showing up each week.

But having Youth Lacrosse letting select kids play down due to being held back goes against everything that is taught in this country about YOUTH SPORTS.

And especially since ALL other YOUTH programs in Howard County are age base.

Congratulations Derrick Thompson you get the special Slime award of turning Youth lacrosse into a cesspool..

sounds like you know the story....we DONT lose players

Not surprised by FCA not showing up at all. Like earlier post showed. FCA is daddy ball central. Daddy Ball doesn't win in elite level competition. This years results support what we already know. Take note Kelly and groupies.

Not surprised at all by no FCA teams. The only one that was any good was 2020 and that's been daddy ball central for years. They never competed with top teams consistently. Only FCA team that is real good is 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry.....no defenseman have left team....not true.

Keep telling yourself that. Went to AA team to play for a former coach.

If you are that informed, please tell us which team he went to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone no where #4 on Looney's came from? Haven't seen him on the field all season. Don't remember #6 either.

They both came from Rough Riders 2020, came to Looney;s last fall.
I wasn't at the game, how did they play? I know both of these kids and they are good kids and lax players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

If Derrick Thompson is the person responsible for this league , then He should get a special award from USL for turning Maryland Club Youth lacrosse into the cesspool it has become.

::::::::::Why all the anger man? Please get over it... Great season for all. """""""""""

This takes nothing away from the kids and the talent showing up each week.

But having Youth Lacrosse letting select kids play down due to being held back goes against everything that is taught in this country about YOUTH SPORTS.

And especially since ALL other YOUTH programs in Howard County are age base.

Congratulations Derrick Thompson you get the special Slime award of turning Youth lacrosse into a cesspool..

No anger at all..Did you see where I said " takes nothing from kids and talent" ? Kids are kids and do what Adults direct them to do.

Adults ruining YOUTH sports should be called out, thats all???

And Howard County is the facilitator of youth grade base garbage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

If Derrick Thompson is the person responsible for this league , then He should get a special award from USL for turning Maryland Club Youth lacrosse into the cesspool it has become.

::::::::::Why all the anger man? Please get over it... Great season for all. """""""""""

This takes nothing away from the kids and the talent showing up each week.

But having Youth Lacrosse letting select kids play down due to being held back goes against everything that is taught in this country about YOUTH SPORTS.

And especially since ALL other YOUTH programs in Howard County are age base.

Congratulations Derrick Thompson you get the special Slime award of turning Youth lacrosse into a cesspool..

No anger at all..Did you see where I said " takes nothing from kids and talent" ? Kids are kids and do what Adults direct them to do.

Adults ruining YOUTH sports should be called out, thats all???

And Howard County is the facilitator of youth grade base garbage.

Freaking cry baby..
Hoco did a great job facilitating and handling a Club league that folded while keeping up with the REC divisions .. from what it looks like all divisions were very competitive even the HOLDBACK teams.To think that age base is going to magically make your kid better is a farse>> Kids playing with kids in their same grade(since 1st grade) is great for all. Older and younger...2 years older is a big parental problem! and should not be allowed at any level. These boys expect to play on a High school field some day better stop crying about a holdback that is a few months or even a year older.

Start a new league and make every daddy happy whose son feels cheated because is classmate is older than him.

ONE defenseman...two seasons ago.....get a grip

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

If Derrick Thompson is the person responsible for this league , then He should get a special award from USL for turning Maryland Club Youth lacrosse into the cesspool it has become.

::::::::::Why all the anger man? Please get over it... Great season for all. """""""""""

This takes nothing away from the kids and the talent showing up each week.

But having Youth Lacrosse letting select kids play down due to being held back goes against everything that is taught in this country about YOUTH SPORTS.

And especially since ALL other YOUTH programs in Howard County are age base.

Congratulations Derrick Thompson you get the special Slime award of turning Youth lacrosse into a cesspool..

No anger at all..Did you see where I said " takes nothing from kids and talent" ? Kids are kids and do what Adults direct them to do.

Adults ruining YOUTH sports should be called out, thats all???

And Howard County is the facilitator of youth grade base garbage.

Freaking cry baby..
Hoco did a great job facilitating and handling a Club league that folded while keeping up with the REC divisions .. from what it looks like all divisions were very competitive even the HOLDBACK teams.To think that age base is going to magically make your kid better is a farse>> Kids playing with kids in their same grade(since 1st grade) is great for all. Older and younger...2 years older is a big parental problem! and should not be allowed at any level. These boys expect to play on a High school field some day better stop crying about a holdback that is a few months or even a year older.

Start a new league and make every daddy happy whose son feels cheated because is classmate is older than him.

Spoken like a true tough guy who has his son playing down.??? LOL, You tough guys letting your sons play down against younger kids are Hilarious..

Yea Tough guy ..HOCO did nothing to facilitate the NPYLL folding???..You couldnt be more wrong...HOCO already had their GRADE BASE LEAGUE prior to NYPLL folding. If anything starting Howard County's grade base league helped facilitate the NPYLL league folding tough guy.
HOCO started youth club in MD down the trail of teams going grade base. They could have been U9,U10,U11,etc like ALL their other leagues....

Like I said howard County gets the Lacrosse award of being a SLIMEBALL.

It's funny how the same guys uses this forum as his podium. You can tell by his stupid cesspool and slimeball comments.... Nice job Hoco....Fun league and beautiful facilities. Great warmup to summer.

Youth lacrosse a cesspool? Are you a complete idiot?? If you play lacrosse in Maryland you play in the best tournaments, for the best clubs, with the best facilities, and the best coaching... Get over yourself.... If this is a Cesspool then I guess I am enjoying it and so is my kid.....Please get a life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks so much to Derrick Thompson and Howard County for putting together the toughest lacrosse league in the county!!

Congratulations to the champions. This trophy shows an entire season of dedication and effort!

2020 - Looneys over Crabs 8-3
2021 - Crabs over Bethesda 11-5
2022 - Hawks over Team 91 4-3
2023 - Bethesda over Crabs 12-8
2024 - Madlax over Team 9D1 7-3
2025 - Team 91 over Looneys 12-10

It's great to see 6 champions from 6 different clubs.

Surprisingly, only 1 championship for the Crabs.

The former NPYLL teams did took 5 of the 6 championships. Looneys is the only Hoco team from last year to show up in any of the championship games.

If Derrick Thompson is the person responsible for this league , then He should get a special award from USL for turning Maryland Club Youth lacrosse into the cesspool it has become.

::::::::::Why all the anger man? Please get over it... Great season for all. """""""""""

This takes nothing away from the kids and the talent showing up each week.

But having Youth Lacrosse letting select kids play down due to being held back goes against everything that is taught in this country about YOUTH SPORTS.

And especially since ALL other YOUTH programs in Howard County are age base.

Congratulations Derrick Thompson you get the special Slime award of turning Youth lacrosse into a cesspool..

No anger at all..Did you see where I said " takes nothing from kids and talent" ? Kids are kids and do what Adults direct them to do.

Adults ruining YOUTH sports should be called out, thats all???

And Howard County is the facilitator of youth grade base garbage.

Freaking cry baby..
Hoco did a great job facilitating and handling a Club league that folded while keeping up with the REC divisions .. from what it looks like all divisions were very competitive even the HOLDBACK teams.To think that age base is going to magically make your kid better is a farse>> Kids playing with kids in their same grade(since 1st grade) is great for all. Older and younger...2 years older is a big parental problem! and should not be allowed at any level. These boys expect to play on a High school field some day better stop crying about a holdback that is a few months or even a year older.

Start a new league and make every daddy happy whose son feels cheated because is classmate is older than him.

Funny how you only pick out part of that statement and clearly read it wrong. EVERYONE knows that HoCo had a grade base year before NYPll folded. I guess comprehension is lacking as well as being a cry baby.
Actually my son is on the younger side of his team and will always be, playing up and loving it! thats what we teach in this house. there is no helicopter flying over my kids.. 'Tough Guy ', yes we like to think we are and prove it every day of our lives.. Coming on here crying like a [lacrosse] is something I teach my kids never to do ..Cry and blame others for youth games lost. Exact parents my kids will never be around . Hilarious is coming on here blaming and entire league for your kids team failures , its also sad.

Spoken like a true tough guy who has his son playing down.??? LOL, You tough guys letting your sons play down against younger kids are Hilarious..

Yea Tough guy ..HOCO did nothing to facilitate the NPYLL folding???..You couldnt be more wrong...HOCO already had their GRADE BASE LEAGUE prior to NYPLL folding. If anything starting Howard County's grade base league helped facilitate the NPYLL league folding tough guy.
HOCO started youth club in MD down the trail of teams going grade base. They could have been U9,U10,U11,etc like ALL their other leagues....

Like I said howard County gets the Lacrosse award of being a SLIMEBALL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's funny how the same guys uses this forum as his podium. You can tell by his stupid cesspool and slimeball comments.... Nice job Hoco....Fun league and beautiful facilities. Great warmup to summer.

Its funny how the same guys uses this forum to promote grade base lacrosse. You can always tell who the proponents of lettings kids play down are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Youth lacrosse a cesspool? Are you a complete idiot?? If you play lacrosse in Maryland you play in the best tournaments, for the best clubs, with the best facilities, and the best coaching... Get over yourself.... If this is a Cesspool then I guess I am enjoying it and so is my kid.....Please get a life

Are You?? Grade base lacrosse is wrong. Kids do what adults tell them. Kids arent to Blame.. Back in fifties all the white kids at white only beaches were having a great time. The kids didnt know any better, they were just doing what the adults told them and having a great time along with their parents enjoying it. ....But it wasnt right and some people may even had called these beaches and their rules worst names than "cesspool" . Of course that is an extreme example.

Most know the great lacrosse played here but children. It has been pretty darn good lacrosse for many years here in MD. Shame it has gone down this route.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's funny how the same guys uses this forum as his podium. You can tell by his stupid cesspool and slimeball comments.... Nice job Hoco....Fun league and beautiful facilities. Great warmup to summer.

Its funny how the same guys uses this forum to promote grade base lacrosse. You can always tell who the proponents of lettings kids play down are.

I guess you seem to forget how it was playing in U9, U11, U13, and U15 age brackets....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's funny how the same guys uses this forum as his podium. You can tell by his stupid cesspool and slimeball comments.... Nice job Hoco....Fun league and beautiful facilities. Great warmup to summer.

Its funny how the same guys uses this forum to promote grade base lacrosse. You can always tell who the proponents of lettings kids play down are.

I guess you seem to forget how it was playing in U9, U11, U13, and U15 age brackets....

The old U format isn't acceptable anymore and the grade level format isn't acceptable. If lacrosse is going to be viewed a real sport, one that can rival the big ones, there needs to be better rules and regulations. The sport is large enough that they can now do single year U based teams. There should be player ID cards and that should shut down all this nonsense going on. Period.

Let it go, let it go
Can�t hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don�t care what they�re going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's funny how the same guys uses this forum as his podium. You can tell by his stupid cesspool and slimeball comments.... Nice job Hoco....Fun league and beautiful facilities. Great warmup to summer.

Its funny how the same guys uses this forum to promote grade base lacrosse. You can always tell who the proponents of lettings kids play down are.

I guess you seem to forget how it was playing in U9, U11, U13, and U15 age brackets....

The old U format isn't acceptable anymore and the grade level format isn't acceptable. If lacrosse is going to be viewed a real sport, one that can rival the big ones, there needs to be better rules and regulations. The sport is large enough that they can now do single year U based teams. There should be player ID cards and that should shut down all this nonsense going on. Period.

I agree. No reason not to go to single U based age groups. Most Regions/Clubs should now be able to support this. Would put the sport on a much more even playing field. Surprised it has not happened yet.

" they can now do single year U based teams."

Let me guess your kid has a January birthday !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's funny how the same guys uses this forum as his podium. You can tell by his stupid cesspool and slimeball comments.... Nice job Hoco....Fun league and beautiful facilities. Great warmup to summer.

Its funny how the same guys uses this forum to promote grade base lacrosse. You can always tell who the proponents of lettings kids play down are.

I guess you seem to forget how it was playing in U9, U11, U13, and U15 age brackets....

The old U format isn't acceptable anymore and the grade level format isn't acceptable. If lacrosse is going to be viewed a real sport, one that can rival the big ones, there needs to be better rules and regulations. The sport is large enough that they can now do single year U based teams. There should be player ID cards and that should shut down all this nonsense going on. Period.

funny - hoops and baseball still have 2 year age groups in my area. they real sports?

Youth football in 2 year increments as well... Is football a real sport

Rather bold statement that we can build enough teams and competition for

U6, U7, U8, U9, U10, U11, U12, U13, U14, U15 Youth teams....

Youth Hoops is a cesspool as well with slimeballs all over youth baseball.

The clubs like the rule the way they are.
The leagues like the rules the way they are.
The High School and College coaches like the rules the way they are.
3 or 4 parents hate the rules and complain constantly instead of moving their kid to a team / league where they do like the rules.

Cesspools and slimeballs and scallywags... Are you a freakin pirate?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Youth football in 2 year increments as well... Is football a real sport

Rather bold statement that we can build enough teams and competition for

U6, U7, U8, U9, U10, U11, U12, U13, U14, U15 Youth teams....

Yes in the DMV this would be not a problem in anyway. And if a club or area had less numbers they would be forced to make a team going off the oldest on the teams age bracket. The clubs from the none hot beds are at a disadvantage under all systems. So the single age system is still the best way to get it done. And if the teams are at a recruiting tournament of any kind. They can use the colored arm bands or wrist band system that tells everyone what grade you are in. I have seen this used at softball showcases.

The club teams in MD have already started posting their tryout information for next year and it is still grade based. Anyone who thinks the club teams are going to follow the US Lacrosse guidelines for age based teams are fooling themselves. So now we can have another year of the holdback conversation dominating every thread on this website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Youth football in 2 year increments as well... Is football a real sport

Rather bold statement that we can build enough teams and competition for

U6, U7, U8, U9, U10, U11, U12, U13, U14, U15 Youth teams....

Football is not 2 year increments. The old way was 6-8, 7-9 etc but there were weight limits. They only spaced it out so bigger kids could play up. Most leagues now go U8 to U14 in one year increments except for U14 because they lose so many players to private middle school teams. These don't have weight limits anymore. If you are a 2020 it is largely irrelevant once this summer is over anyway. Like most I think it is idiotic to hold a kid back in middle school for sports but it is what it is. I've spoken with college coaches and they all know how old each kid is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clubs like the rule the way they are.
The leagues like the rules the way they are.
The High School and College coaches like the rules the way they are.
3 or 4 parents hate the rules and complain constantly instead of moving their kid to a team / league where they do like the rules.

Majority of parents do not agree with holdbacks. Don't gloss over a real issue.

Like how everyone is jumping on bandwagan of ..everyone does two year age sports so what is wrong with our HOCO grade base ..

First off most sports dont go by two year increments. But even if they did, it is totally different than letting certain select kids always play down. With two year increments you always get to play every other year as the older player. That is how MYLA used to be. I assume everyone forgot that most A teams were usually the older players mixed with some first year players in that age bracket.The following year it was the same thing with the younger players now a year older mostly on the A teams. If Baltimore was single year age now like single year grade now, it would be pretty simple and straight forward.

With grade base holdbacks..The holdbacks are always older???
Is this the spirit of youth sports or the way youth sports was intended??? Of course not..But keep making up excuses that it is only a few loud mouth dads, College wants it this way, everyone plays two year, etc..They are excuses for a system that only benefits a few hundred holdbacks not the entire lacrosse community.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clubs like the rule the way they are.
The leagues like the rules the way they are.
The High School and College coaches like the rules the way they are.
3 or 4 parents hate the rules and complain constantly instead of moving their kid to a team / league where they do like the rules.

Complete and utter BS. Go ask people in LI if they think holdbacks should be allowed to play down in youth lacrosse. They have a sizable club lacrosse community.

Only leagues that like the rule and goes by it is HOCO. Most leagues that have grade base teams also have a age restriction for all players.

HS teams and College teams are not hollering for Grade base teams?? HS and College did fine the last 50 years with age base??? What all the sudden we need grade base teams loaded with holdbacks??

It is much much more than 3 or 4 parents. Most people and coaches are against it, outside of MIAA area and other schools with holdbacks. And most people are civil and keep their mouth shut around the players. Almost No one blames the players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clubs like the rule the way they are.
The leagues like the rules the way they are.
The High School and College coaches like the rules the way they are.
3 or 4 parents hate the rules and complain constantly instead of moving their kid to a team / league where they do like the rules.

Majority of parents do not agree with holdbacks. Don't gloss over a real issue.

Obviously they don't care enough to move their kids out.

There is no issue....The issue is lacrosse is competitive....WE have been playing sports in this state for may years the cover 1 to 2 year differences.... You can't throw out "most parents agree with me on holdbacks" on an anonymous site to get your point across.... Quit your belly aching and crying....Go play rec and get your trophy.

Get bent and take you and your cry baby son back to rec...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get bent and take you and your cry baby son back to rec...

Says "big tough daddy" Tell "The Big Guy" to get out there and kick some kids' [lacrosse]!!
You are a chump.

16 year olds vs 13 year olds is not competitive. Crabs cheat and still lose. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clubs like the rule the way they are.
The leagues like the rules the way they are.
The High School and College coaches like the rules the way they are.
3 or 4 parents hate the rules and complain constantly instead of moving their kid to a team / league where they do like the rules.

Complete and utter BS. Go ask people in LI if they think holdbacks should be allowed to play down in youth lacrosse. They have a sizable club lacrosse community.

Only leagues that like the rule and goes by it is HOCO. Most leagues that have grade base teams also have a age restriction for all players.

HS teams and College teams are not hollering for Grade base teams?? HS and College did fine the last 50 years with age base??? What all the sudden we need grade base teams loaded with holdbacks??

It is much much more than 3 or 4 parents. Most people and coaches are against it, outside of MIAA area and other schools with holdbacks. And most people are civil and keep their mouth shut around the players. Almost No one blames the players.

We should ask LI. It's where grade based team started, even though it hurts them as they have Dec 1 school cut-off. At the end of the day most reasonable coaches and parents want their kids in playing in competitive games. The hoco league did a great job segmenting the teams. Even the Crabs with their older kids lost 2 games. The 2020 kids that played in the elite division should feel fortunate to play in such a competitive environment leading into HS and potential recruiting events. My kid played in AA, right where he should have. And that too was highly competitive with plenty of kids that will break through one day and over take some of the "elite" boys. I'm guessing the A & B divisions were the same. I'd be happy to see single year U divisions as my kids are July and April public school kids. But it seems hoco won't be changing anytime soon unless the clubs themselves change first. Ask soccer - it's hard to break up teams that have been together for a few years.

Clubs like it for the money. Hey we just 3 verbal commits on our 8th grade team. Come pay me thousands of dollars and I will do the same for your son. Please ignore the fact that these kids were 16 and held back twice and there is not full ride in D1 lacrosse, the team's carry 50 on their roster and your son will never see the field. Just pay me more money and I will gladly berate and curse at your kid on the sideline, at practice and everytime I see him. I never played the game and am so damn fat I can barely walk - but your kid is a star.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs like it for the money. Hey we just 3 verbal commits on our 8th grade team. Come pay me thousands of dollars and I will do the same for your son. Please ignore the fact that these kids were 16 and held back twice and there is not full ride in D1 lacrosse, the team's carry 50 on their roster and your son will never see the field. Just pay me more money and I will gladly berate and curse at your kid on the sideline, at practice and everytime I see him. I never played the game and am so damn fat I can barely walk - but your kid is a star.

Well if all the teams followed the same rules the best clubs would still get the verbal commits. they might be freshman or sophomores but still the top clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs like it for the money. Hey we just 3 verbal commits on our 8th grade team. Come pay me thousands of dollars and I will do the same for your son. Please ignore the fact that these kids were 16 and held back twice and there is not full ride in D1 lacrosse, the team's carry 50 on their roster and your son will never see the field. Just pay me more money and I will gladly berate and curse at your kid on the sideline, at practice and everytime I see him. I never played the game and am so damn fat I can barely walk - but your kid is a star.

Bitter?

Nope - truth hurts

Holding back your kid will hurt them more if they get shown up by younger kids. It's something parents should think about before making such a life changing decision for their kid. Imagine your kid doesn't get recruited? Doesn't get into one of their dream schools? Gets no scholarship? Ends up frustrated on a bench once in college... Will it be worth it? Especially when so many will be able to do so without being left back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back your kid will hurt them more if they get shown up by younger kids. It's something parents should think about before making such a life changing decision for their kid. Imagine your kid doesn't get recruited? Doesn't get into one of their dream schools? Gets no scholarship? Ends up frustrated on a bench once in college... Will it be worth it? Especially when so many will be able to do so without being left back.

Not a parent of a holdback but why do you care what other parents/kids do? Really none of your business. Parents of kids who hold back don't need a lecture. I'm sure they have their reasons and have done their homework.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back your kid will hurt them more if they get shown up by younger kids. It's something parents should think about before making such a life changing decision for their kid. Imagine your kid doesn't get recruited? Doesn't get into one of their dream schools? Gets no scholarship? Ends up frustrated on a bench once in college... Will it be worth it? Especially when so many will be able to do so without being left back.

Not a parent of a holdback but why do you care what other parents/kids do? Really none of your business. Parents of kids who hold back don't need a lecture. I'm sure they have their reasons and have done their homework.

They have a bunch of different reasons why their child is heldback. And some are for sports. But I agree with you..It is up to parent to do what they think is right for their child even if is for sports.

But that doesnt mean we need to give the holdbacks special privileges to play down in youth sports the majority of other kids dont get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope - truth hurts

Hurts who ?
Pathetic ! Period!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back your kid will hurt them more if they get shown up by younger kids. It's something parents should think about before making such a life changing decision for their kid. Imagine your kid doesn't get recruited? Doesn't get into one of their dream schools? Gets no scholarship? Ends up frustrated on a bench once in college... Will it be worth it? Especially when so many will be able to do so without being left back.

Not a parent of a holdback but why do you care what other parents/kids do? Really none of your business. Parents of kids who hold back don't need a lecture. I'm sure they have their reasons and have done their homework.

He is bitter!! Period!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back your kid will hurt them more if they get shown up by younger kids. It's something parents should think about before making such a life changing decision for their kid. Imagine your kid doesn't get recruited? Doesn't get into one of their dream schools? Gets no scholarship? Ends up frustrated on a bench once in college... Will it be worth it? Especially when so many will be able to do so without being left back.

Not a parent of a holdback but why do you care what other parents/kids do? Really none of your business. Parents of kids who hold back don't need a lecture. I'm sure they have their reasons and have done their homework.

Then they should play with their own age. Hold back all you want, but play in the age group you belong in. Otherwise you are simply trying to make yourself look better and risking injury to other kids. That is why people care and should continue to care. It is called sportsmanship and character.

Truth hurts that certain club lacrosse owners are in it for one thing - the $$$. Selling the dream to naive parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back your kid will hurt them more if they get shown up by younger kids. It's something parents should think about before making such a life changing decision for their kid. Imagine your kid doesn't get recruited? Doesn't get into one of their dream schools? Gets no scholarship? Ends up frustrated on a bench once in college... Will it be worth it? Especially when so many will be able to do so without being left back.

Not a parent of a holdback but why do you care what other parents/kids do? Really none of your business. Parents of kids who hold back don't need a lecture. I'm sure they have their reasons and have done their homework.

Then they should play with their own age. Hold back all you want, but play in the age group you belong in. Otherwise you are simply trying to make yourself look better and risking injury to other kids. That is why people care and should continue to care. It is called sportsmanship and character.

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth hurts that certain club lacrosse owners are in it for one thing - the $$$. Selling the dream to naive parents.

Certain Club owners?? thats funny. Everyone that runs a club is out to make money. Thats why they run a club. Its a business. One that we pay money for provides the best coaching . teachers. tournaments , level of play and many other great life lessons that we would never get from myself or any other dad from rec ball. ..naive? thats comically to make a statement like that. My sons Dreams are his own and certainly density need a club owner to sell him on it..I guess you don't pay money to a club right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back your kid will hurt them more if they get shown up by younger kids. It's something parents should think about before making such a life changing decision for their kid. Imagine your kid doesn't get recruited? Doesn't get into one of their dream schools? Gets no scholarship? Ends up frustrated on a bench once in college... Will it be worth it? Especially when so many will be able to do so without being left back.

Not a parent of a holdback but why do you care what other parents/kids do? Really none of your business. Parents of kids who hold back don't need a lecture. I'm sure they have their reasons and have done their homework.

Then they should play with their own age. Hold back all you want, but play in the age group you belong in. Otherwise you are simply trying to make yourself look better and risking injury to other kids. That is why people care and should continue to care. It is called sportsmanship and character.

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then.

if your son went to pre-first and stayed back a year and is playing with his current graduating then you are cheating and teaching your child it is ok to cheat. you can have him play up, or on age, not against younger kids. your character is the one to be questioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth hurts that certain club lacrosse owners are in it for one thing - the $$$. Selling the dream to naive parents.

Certain Club owners?? thats funny. Everyone that runs a club is out to make money. Thats why they run a club. Its a business. One that we pay money for provides the best coaching . teachers. tournaments , level of play and many other great life lessons that we would never get from myself or any other dad from rec ball. ..naive? thats comically to make a statement like that. My sons Dreams are his own and certainly density need a club owner to sell him on it..I guess you don't pay money to a club right?

if club ball wasn't around, wouldn't the kids get the same experiences through their local rec programs? most club coaches also coached or still coach rec teams. some rec programs are now playing many more tournaments trying to keep the recs afloat.

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then. [/quote]

if your son went to pre-first and stayed back a year and is playing with his current graduating then you are cheating and teaching your child it is ok to cheat. you can have him play up, or on age, not against younger kids. your character is the one to be questioned.[/quote]

How is he cheating? He is playing on a grade based team in a grade based league. Sounds like he is following the rules. So the team and league says he plays with his graduating year but you want him to play with the next year? That doesn't make sense. He's following the rules of the league. If you don't like the rules, play in a different league or petition the league. Don't call people who are following the rules cheaters or question their character. Your problem is with the league, so go to a different league. Accusing people falsely calls your character into question.

Life lessons like repeating grades in order to compete against younger kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then.

if your son went to pre-first and stayed back a year and is playing with his current graduating then you are cheating and teaching your child it is ok to cheat. you can have him play up, or on age, not against younger kids. your character is the one to be questioned.[/quote]

How is he cheating? He is playing on a grade based team in a grade based league. Sounds like he is following the rules. So the team and league says he plays with his graduating year but you want him to play with the next year? That doesn't make sense. He's following the rules of the league. If you don't like the rules, play in a different league or petition the league. Don't call people who are following the rules cheaters or question their character. Your problem is with the league, so go to a different league. Accusing people falsely calls your character into question. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then.

if your son went to pre-first and stayed back a year and is playing with his current graduating then you are cheating and teaching your child it is ok to cheat. you can have him play up, or on age, not against younger kids. your character is the one to be questioned.[/quote]

How is he cheating? He is playing on a grade based team in a grade based league. Sounds like he is following the rules. So the team and league says he plays with his graduating year but you want him to play with the next year? That doesn't make sense. He's following the rules of the league. If you don't like the rules, play in a different league or petition the league. Don't call people who are following the rules cheaters or question their character. Your problem is with the league, so go to a different league. Accusing people falsely calls your character into question. [/quote]

Cheating? Start in my son early in Kindergarden wasn't the correct choice or the advice from the school and the counties recommendations for his bday. It was obvious he needed to what so he repeated Kindergarden. Lacrosse wasn't even a thought! Your comments again against me and thousands of good families cheaters is simply sad .,my son is and most likely will be the smallest kid on the field but his skill has allowed him to play up and against REAL OLDER KIDS until club ball which we follow all the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then.

if your son went to pre-first and stayed back a year and is playing with his current graduating then you are cheating and teaching your child it is ok to cheat. you can have him play up, or on age, not against younger kids. your character is the one to be questioned.[/quote]

How is he cheating? He is playing on a grade based team in a grade based league. Sounds like he is following the rules. So the team and league says he plays with his graduating year but you want him to play with the next year? That doesn't make sense. He's following the rules of the league. If you don't like the rules, play in a different league or petition the league. Don't call people who are following the rules cheaters or question their character. Your problem is with the league, so go to a different league. Accusing people falsely calls your character into question. [/quote]

You sound like a Drama queen. You son has not been playing up his whole life ! He has been playing in his proper age bracket. Even if he was born in August(last month) and playing in MYLA with two year brackets. The absolute most he would be one year is 1 year 11 months to the absolute oldest kid the first year in age bracket. The following year he would be 11 moths at the most younger to the absolute oldest kid.

And if it was a proper age base league of single years instead of single grades your son would be 11 months max younger than oldest kid. But everyone would be within a year. If a player isnt held back/prefirst and born in August/summer like your son..you now want some players not held back to have a bigger age deference than your son used too or would have with a age based league...Seems fair to you???? Do you understand that..You used to be complaining about what is even worst for some kids not heldback now!!!

Why does your son get to play down?? If he is allowed to play down than all kids born in same month as your son should be allowed to play down irregardless of grade. That is called fair sportsmanship. Do you think your son deserves some special deal that other children shouldn't get due to your decision to do prefirst ??. That is a grade not even offered in the Public schools.

Let's call a spade a spade. If your kid is on 2020 team in HOCO and magically appears on a 2021 team next year you are cheating. Did you see the Crabs 2020 team this year? They have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. You can say it doesn't break any rules, it's a grade based league, they were pre-first, if you don't like it go play age based base, go play rec ball, your a wuss, your kid stinks - all the typical things a parent says when they reclassed their kid for lacrosse. Bottom line is this gaming of a grade classification system is damaging the youth game. Go ahead and pound your chest when your "big guy" runs over a 13 year old. EVERYONE outside of crabby world thinks you and the organization you play for are a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's call a spade a spade. If your kid is on 2020 team in HOCO and magically appears on a 2021 team next year you are cheating. Did you see the Crabs 2020 team this year? They have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. You can say it doesn't break any rules, it's a grade based league, they were pre-first, if you don't like it go play age based base, go play rec ball, your a wuss, your kid stinks - all the typical things a parent says when they reclassed their kid for lacrosse. Bottom line is this gaming of a grade classification system is damaging the youth game. Go ahead and pound your chest when your "big guy" runs over a 13 year old. EVERYONE outside of crabby world thinks you and the organization you play for are a joke.

You obviously have an ax to grind against Crabs. FCA has kids as old as Crabs but you don't disparage them. You only come on here and rail on Crabs. Why don't you take up your beef with all the HOCO holdbacks and not just the kids on the Crabs? EVERYONE thinks you are a whining crybaby.

[quote=Anonymous]Let's call a spade a spade. If your kid is on 2020 team in HOCO and magically appears on a 2021 team next year you are cheating. Did you see the Crabs 2020 team this year? They have 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. You can say it doesn't break any rules, it's a grade based league, they were pre-first, if you don't like it go play age based base, go play rec ball, your a wuss, your kid stinks - all the typical things a parent says when they reclassed their kid for lacrosse. Bottom line is this gaming of a grade classification system is damaging the youth game. Go ahead and pound your chest when your "big guy" runs over a 13 year old. EVERYONE outside of crabby world thinks you and the organization you play for are a joke.

0-6 says it all

OK - If FCA does it than they are in the same boat as Crabs. Having said that - no one plays the holdback game like Crabs. Multiple 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. How can you even do that with a straight face. At least they won HOCO. Oh wait - no they didn't. Looneys spanked them. Maybe next year. Half the team will be on the 2021 squad anyway. Rinse and repeat.

Cheat
Reclassify
Always
Because (otherwise we would)
Suck

1 for 4 in HOCO playoffs for fat crab's program - LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK - If FCA does it than they are in the same boat as Crabs. Having said that - no one plays the holdback game like Crabs. Multiple 16 year olds on an 8th grade team. How can you even do that with a straight face. At least they won HOCO. Oh wait - no they didn't. Looneys spanked them. Maybe next year. Half the team will be on the 2021 squad anyway. Rinse and repeat.

it is the crabs business model to hold back and play older kids against younger kids. That is why everyone has an issue with crabs. That and their attitude that they are the best when in actuality it is just them beating up on younger kids and parents paying for a coach that berates the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cheat
Reclassify
Always
Because (otherwise we would)
Suck

1 for 4 in HOCO playoffs for fat crab's program - LOL

Call Crabs what you may but no other club program in Maryland has developed more D1 lax players than the hated Crabs....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cheat
Reclassify
Always
Because (otherwise we would)
Suck

1 for 4 in HOCO playoffs for fat crab's program - LOL

Wow. Did you come up with that all by yourself? You must think you are so clever.

Did any other club get all of its teams into the playoffs? I'm sure RM is so upset.

And obviously you are just jumping on the bandwagon as Crabs was the best club before grade based lacrosse to saying they would suck without holdbacks is just plain ignorant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then.

if your son went to pre-first and stayed back a year and is playing with his current graduating then you are cheating and teaching your child it is ok to cheat. you can have him play up, or on age, not against younger kids. your character is the one to be questioned.

How is he cheating? He is playing on a grade based team in a grade based league. Sounds like he is following the rules. So the team and league says he plays with his graduating year but you want him to play with the next year? That doesn't make sense. He's following the rules of the league. If you don't like the rules, play in a different league or petition the league. Don't call people who are following the rules cheaters or question their character. Your problem is with the league, so go to a different league. Accusing people falsely calls your character into question. [/quote]

You sound like a Drama queen. You son has not been playing up his whole life ! He has been playing in his proper age bracket. Even if he was born in August(last month) and playing in MYLA with two year brackets. The absolute most he would be one year is 1 year 11 months to the absolute oldest kid the first year in age bracket. The following year he would be 11 moths at the most younger to the absolute oldest kid.

And if it was a proper age base league of single years instead of single grades your son would be 11 months max younger than oldest kid. But everyone would be within a year. If a player isnt held back/prefirst and born in August/summer like your son..you now want some players not held back to have a bigger age deference than your son used too or would have with a age based league...Seems fair to you???? Do you understand that..You used to be complaining about what is even worst for some kids not heldback now!!!

Why does your son get to play down?? If he is allowed to play down than all kids born in same month as your son should be allowed to play down irregardless of grade. That is called fair sportsmanship. Do you think your son deserves some special deal that other children shouldn't get due to your decision to do prefirst ??. That is a grade not even offered in the Public schools. [/quote]

You still don't get it. His kid is within the rules. So yes I think it is fair. Your issue is with the rules. Stop calling people cheaters who are not cheating. Do something to change the rules or switch leagues.

Fat Crab was pretty upset when Looneys smashed the 2020 team. Stormed off like a whittle bitty red baby.

Field a team a team without their Holdbacks and see how good they are - because even with 16 year olds they barely win or lose. It's a farce.

Crabs is old news. They have resorted to cheating to win and the other clubs are catching up. Sorry - the empire is crumbling like a bag of Cheetos....

How about parents be parents and realize - ya know what - it's not right for my kid to be 16 in the 8th grade playing against 13 year olds? That would be nice...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^Make yourself look better?? 12 year old? Really? Parent that made a decision 7,8 years ago about education? They have no sportsmanship or Character?
says a lot about your character to write something about ALOT OF GOOD PEOPLE AND KIDS.. My son has been playing up( 1-2 full age years) his whole life until recently playing club where he happens to fall in the older side of his teammates which happens to be some of his class mates since 1st grade. 3 months older not 1-2 years. 'Holdbacks or pre 1st which my son is is a big spectrum . calling out my families character is showing a great lack in sportsmanship..\
Good luck to you and yours when high school comes around. What excuse will you have then.

if your son went to pre-first and stayed back a year and is playing with his current graduating then you are cheating and teaching your child it is ok to cheat. you can have him play up, or on age, not against younger kids. your character is the one to be questioned.

How is he cheating? He is playing on a grade based team in a grade based league. Sounds like he is following the rules. So the team and league says he plays with his graduating year but you want him to play with the next year? That doesn't make sense. He's following the rules of the league. If you don't like the rules, play in a different league or petition the league. Don't call people who are following the rules cheaters or question their character. Your problem is with the league, so go to a different league. Accusing people falsely calls your character into question.

You sound like a Drama queen. You son has not been playing up his whole life ! He has been playing in his proper age bracket. Even if he was born in August(last month) and playing in MYLA with two year brackets. The absolute most he would be one year is 1 year 11 months to the absolute oldest kid the first year in age bracket. The following year he would be 11 moths at the most younger to the absolute oldest kid.

And if it was a proper age base league of single years instead of single grades your son would be 11 months max younger than oldest kid. But everyone would be within a year. If a player isnt held back/prefirst and born in August/summer like your son..you now want some players not held back to have a bigger age deference than your son used too or would have with a age based league...Seems fair to you???? Do you understand that..You used to be complaining about what is even worst for some kids not heldback now!!!

Why does your son get to play down?? If he is allowed to play down than all kids born in same month as your son should be allowed to play down irregardless of grade. That is called fair sportsmanship. Do you think your son deserves some special deal that other children shouldn't get due to your decision to do prefirst ??. That is a grade not even offered in the Public schools. [/quote]

You still don't get it. His kid is within the rules. So yes I think it is fair. Your issue is with the rules. Stop calling people cheaters who are not cheating. Do something to change the rules or switch leagues. [/quote]

Where once in the response above did I mention cheaters?? I was responding to the drama queen saying his kid always played up. Which was BS. His kid was just playing within his age bracket. And the same thing he was complaining about..He wants other peoples children to have now plus wants a bigger age difference due to an arbitrary prefirst grade or holding your child back?? And of course only a select group of kids get to enjoy this benefit, like his and probably yours.

Of course you are within the rules. The rules were written to give a select group of children ( mainly private school prefirst kids) an advantage the majority of children in Maryland do not get.

Then take it up with league or change leagues. Until you're willing to do that, quit calling people who are following the rules cheaters.

so, a 15 year old, who is in 7th grade, playing against other 15 year olds who are in their age appropriate grade is now considered playing up?

whatever parent thinks this is a moron!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so, a 15 year old, who is in 7th grade, playing against other 15 year olds who are in their age appropriate grade is now considered playing up?

whatever parent thinks this is a moron!

Who said anything about a 15 year old 7th grader?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cheat
Reclassify
Always
Because (otherwise we would)
Suck

1 for 4 in HOCO playoffs for fat crab's program - LOL

Call Crabs what you may but no other club program in Maryland has developed more D1 lax players than the hated Crabs....

I must agree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then take it up with league or change leagues. Until you're willing to do that, quit calling people who are following the rules cheaters.

There have been attempts to change the rules (in fact the Hoco rules say kids had to follow a normal progression in school but they ignored it) to be fair and sportsmanlike but people who have held their kids back and whose kids are given an unfair advantage lobby against good character and what is right. Having people involved with running a league who personally support holding back is also a problem as is the influence of the club directors who pad their rosters with these man children. If everyone did what was right for kids -and you all know what that is despite arguing with it- then there would not be an issue.

[quote=Anonymous]so, a 15 year old, who is in 7th grade, playing against other 15 year olds who are in their age appropriate grade is now considered playing up?

whatever parent thinks this is a moron!

I think this proves a point (maybe more than one). A 7th grade team with 15 year olds on it, let alone a 7th grade team that is made up entirely of 15 year olds is not age appropriate. Try 12 to 13 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cheat
Reclassify
Always
Because (otherwise we would)
Suck

1 for 4 in HOCO playoffs for fat crab's program - LOL

Call Crabs what you may but no other club program in Maryland has developed more D1 lax players than the hated Crabs....

Wait the lacrosse world is the only world that takes all the credit for "making" D 1 kids. wth I guess the Cannon Select kid now that hes a crab was "developed" by Crabs. OK. That kid could play for Rock and he'd go anywhere. Only sport thinks that they "make" the Jimmy and Joe. Dukes is the same way in philly. Taking credit for kids coming from Atlanta to play with them?? wth? Whats the name of the head football coach from down here that had the running back commit to Maryland?? Nooone knows. Cause hes not taking credit for that studs athleticism..idiots

I must agree

Many of the teams that won one of the major leagues last year repeated this year in the combined Hoco.

2020 - Champs - Looneys - (Last year Looneys Hoco & Crabs NPYLL)
2021 - Champs - Crabs - (Last year Greene Turtle Hoco & Crabs NPYLL)
2022 - Champs - Hawks - (Last year Diamondbacks Hoco & Cannons NPYLL)
2023 - Champs - Bethesda - (Last year Looneys Hoco & Bethesda NPYLL)
2024 - Champs - Madlax - (Last year Diamondbacks Hoco & Madlax NPYLL)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cheat
Reclassify
Always
Because (otherwise we would)
Suck

1 for 4 in HOCO playoffs for fat crab's program - LOL

Call Crabs what you may but no other club program in Maryland has developed more D1 lax players than the hated Crabs....

I must agree

They have been around for a long time- it's hard to compare teams and their commits unless the clubs have been around for the same time. Most teams can't compete with LI Express numbers, as they have been around the longest, but in recent years, they are certainly rivaled by the other big clubs. I just don't see these big old time clubs remaining the power houses they once were- too much competition and greener grass on other fields, especially if your son is being told he is losing his spot to a kid a yr or two older and can stay a Crab if they too play on a younger team. Too many people value their kid as a whole person, and not just as a lacrosse player. Plenty of clubs are getting kids recruited today, and while they won't have the big numbers from years past, the recruits will come from many clubs.

Historically that's because they were bigger, faster, stronger and better - god given natural advantages! Now a blatant twisting of the morals of youth sports to the benefit of a few! Simply older! Should not be boasting about being better than everyone since it is not an equal playing field. Which is ridiculous at the youth level! Yes - it is within the rules, but everyone of sound mind knows it is not right except for the selfish few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cheat
Reclassify
Always
Because (otherwise we would)
Suck

1 for 4 in HOCO playoffs for fat crab's program - LOL

Call Crabs what you may but no other club program in Maryland has developed more D1 lax players than the hated Crabs....

I must agree

Crabs have put out a bunch of DI in past when it was age base U13AA and U15AA and HS teams..and will probably continue now with grade base. It is a shame that they are the biggest proponents of grade base now. But it isnt surprising as one of RM's big thing was telling kids to stay back a grade before HS in past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so, a 15 year old, who is in 7th grade, playing against other 15 year olds who are in their age appropriate grade is now considered playing up?

whatever parent thinks this is a moron!

Who said anything about a 15 year old 7th grader?

seriously who said anything about a 15 yr old 7th grader.No private school here either! Point was kid was playing up in rec 2 years older than his age because of his skill. now is playing grade based of his club. READING BETWEEN THE LINES to try to make your point again shows that calling all families out is just sad. good luck in High School and flying over your kid the rest of his life. Exact parent my kid will never be around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so, a 15 year old, who is in 7th grade, playing against other 15 year olds who are in their age appropriate grade is now considered playing up?

whatever parent thinks this is a moron!

Who said anything about a 15 year old 7th grader?

seriously who said anything about a 15 yr old 7th grader.No private school here either! Point was kid was playing up in rec 2 years older than his age because of his skill. now is playing grade based of his club. READING BETWEEN THE LINES to try to make your point again shows that calling all families out is just sad. good luck in High School and flying over your kid the rest of his life. Exact parent my kid will never be around.

You must have missed the point. The father said his child was playing up, which he wasnt. His child was playing in his age appropriate league. His child was born in summer according to the father. So his son would have been on the younger side when MYLA had its U11,U13,U15 . But his father failed to mention that every other year his child was 13-14 months older than all the other players in that league. I guess that slipped his mind.

Now his father wants his son to have an advantage other children born in same month dont have. Just because his father decided his child to do prefirst ( which is his right) , somehow that translates into getting an advantage other children dont get in youth lacrosse???

I am not sure where the 15 in 7th came in either??? I think that if you are held back two times you will be 15 in 7th. Most kids start off 12 and turn 13 during 7th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so, a 15 year old, who is in 7th grade, playing against other 15 year olds who are in their age appropriate grade is now considered playing up?

whatever parent thinks this is a moron!

Who said anything about a 15 year old 7th grader?

seriously who said anything about a 15 yr old 7th grader.No private school here either! Point was kid was playing up in rec 2 years older than his age because of his skill. now is playing grade based of his club. READING BETWEEN THE LINES to try to make your point again shows that calling all families out is just sad. good luck in High School and flying over your kid the rest of his life. Exact parent my kid will never be around.

You must have missed the point. The father said his child was playing up, which he wasnt. His child was playing in his age appropriate league. His child was born in summer according to the father. So his son would have been on the younger side when MYLA had its U11,U13,U15 . But his father failed to mention that every other year his child was 13-14 months older than all the other players in that league. I guess that slipped his mind.

Now his father wants his son to have an advantage other children born in same month dont have. Just because his father decided his child to do prefirst ( which is his right) , somehow that translates into getting an advantage other children dont get in youth lacrosse???

I am not sure where the 15 in 7th came in either??? I think that if you are held back two times you will be 15 in 7th. Most kids start off 12 and turn 13 during 7th.

Crabs has a few players on their 2020 team who turned 16 during the spring and are in the 8th grade. Can you imagine, a 16 year old 8th grader. Most 8th graders are older 13/younger 14 years old.
When it comes to Crabs, nothing they say can be believed, simply because almost all of it are lies.

How do you know if the Crabs organization is a good fit for your child? Here is a list of things you should consider. Your child belongs on the Crabs if:

1) Your son has his driver's license in the 8th grade
2) You enjoy seeing your should be 10th grader play against 8th graders
3) You like seeing your son being ridiculed and humiliated by a fat red man that never played the game
4) Your child likes repeating grades
5) You live vicariously through your child and post pictures of him running over on age kids
6) You enjoy paying multiple years of private school tuition
7) You have a nickname for your child
8) You secretly wish you could have a Rabil cut but can't because you are bald
9) You live way beyond your means and think by playing for Crabs your stature in society will somehow improve
10) You find the end of the school year to be a total rush because it means your son can reclassify again

** crickets **

We are all just wishing the moron above would include the user name "mental [lacrosse]" so we would know to skip his post so that we wouldn't have wasted 30 seconds of our lives.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are all just wishing the moron above would include the user name "mental [lacrosse]" so we would know to skip his post so that we wouldn't have wasted 30 seconds of our lives.

Typical Crab response. They hate it when they are exposed and really, the truth hurts, except for Crabs, they don't understand the truth, not in their vocabulary.

Seems like a pretty accurate list to me

That mental [lacrosse] hit th nail on the head. LoL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are all just wishing the moron above would include the user name "mental [lacrosse]" so we would know to skip his post so that we wouldn't have wasted 30 seconds of our lives.

Wow, it takes a Crab fan 30 seconds to read that list when mostly all people can read it in 15 seconds. No wonder Crabs keeps releasing their players, reading remediation.

Not a crab parent its just that everyone except the 3 dopes who defended the list are so tired of the lack of original content. Nobody gives a rats arse about hold backs, 16 yr olds playing 13 yr olds etc. We all just watched an incredible championship lacrosse game between two teams that are as guilty as anyone in the early recruiting game!
I'm sure all those kids competing today and their parents feel like they cheated the system right about now. Complete and utter nonsense.. Move on losers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a crab parent its just that everyone except the 3 dopes who defended the list are so tired of the lack of original content. Nobody gives a rats arse about hold backs, 16 yr olds playing 13 yr olds etc. We all just watched an incredible championship lacrosse game between two teams that are as guilty as anyone in the early recruiting game!
I'm sure all those kids competing today and their parents feel like they cheated the system right about now. Complete and utter nonsense.. Move on losers

Sorry bud, you are obviously the loser here. #1 loser. Where do you get off telling anyone what to post and not to post. Mind your own business and to do so, as you say move on.

Nobody who reclassifies their kids for lacrosse cares about holdbacks. Everyone else who plays by the rules does. Let me guess - your kid is a holdback?

How long till the fat crab tries to weave into his webs that x kid played for Crabs? I give it less than a day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody who reclassifies their kids for lacrosse cares about holdbacks. Everyone else who plays by the rules does. Let me guess - your kid is a holdback?

How long till the fat crab tries to weave into his webs that x kid played for Crabs? I give it less than a day.

My kid is on age for an elite club and at an MIAA school and I could care less about holdbacks. Using words like "Everyone" is a little presumptive. Speak for your own situation.

I'm not a Crab parent (not that you will believe me), but I find this entire "reclass" thing very amusing. My son didn't reclass (he's in college now), but I get why it upsets people. I will say that once your sons are in HS, this thing will not seem as life and death as it does now.

The Crabs have always fielded excellent teams, and I understand they have a lot of kids who've reclassed. I get that they get the brunt of the abuse because they are very successful. My question is: what is the threshold in terms of reclassed kids? I ask because we know a lot of our friends with 8th graders, and all of those top teams have reclassed kids. Some more than others, of course.

My point is if it's unacceptable to allow the Crabs to field teams with reclassed kids, what about FCA, Looney's and others who also have reclassed kids? Is it ok if they only have 1-2 reclassed kids, but not ok if a team has more than 2? What exactly is the number that escapes scrutiny?

I am not a big fan of the Crabs owner, but if all the youth teams have reclassed kids, how does one decide to single one out more than another?

Again, I don't have a problem if people dislike the holdback phenomenon (it wasn't a big deal when my kids was a youth player). My first suggestion is to only enter tournaments that do not allow holdbacks.

But unless a team has zero holdbacks, I find it hard to understand why some teams are singled out for holdbacks and others aren't.

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Look, I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. But I just don't care about it like others do. It would benefit my son to have the kids playing up where they belong in terms of staying on his team, but does it benefit him in terms getting better as a lacrosse player? I don't think so. He is able to compete with and in many cases surpass the holdback kids. So why would I prefer he play against lesser kids? Lacrosse has had a 2 year spread for as long as I can remember in terms of U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15. What's the difference?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

How about this - how many 8th graders do you know for a fact are 16? Not I heard or that kid looks big - I mean know for a fact. I'm not saying it hasn't happened. Just that people are making it sound like it's rampant and it's not. People also make it sound like reclassing and early recruiting is specific to lacrosse. Guess what - lacrosse is late to that game. If you don't like the league change or petition the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Look, I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. But I just don't care about it like others do. It would benefit my son to have the kids playing up where they belong in terms of staying on his team, but does it benefit him in terms getting better as a lacrosse player? I don't think so. He is able to compete with and in many cases surpass the holdback kids. So why would I prefer he play against lesser kids? Lacrosse has had a 2 year spread for as long as I can remember in terms of U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15. What's the difference?

First lets remember that these are children playing lacrosse that are between 8 and 15. You may not care, which is fine. But many do. Many, of course not all, feel that having select kids playing down is wrong at Youth Level. If you are going to let these select kids (mostly private school prefirst) play down, then change the date and let anyone play down from an earlier birthdate. Make it April? or whatever, but let anyone playdown that wants to.

As far as MYLA and their two year U11, U13,U15, .Yes that was two years, but every other year you were older than some players. As it is now, with single year and grade. Select kids will always be older and the kids that didnt holdback, will always be younger. That is not the way Youth sports should be run.

You might be ok as your son is a superstar and competes with the holdbacks . By your reasoning than play him your son up a year and you can play against nothing but older players. He will get really better than. But for the majority of kids that arent superstars, why are they at a disadvantage while other palyers born in same month as them get to play down???. Why cant they have that advantage???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

How about this - how many 8th graders do you know for a fact are 16? Not I heard or that kid looks big - I mean know for a fact. I'm not saying it hasn't happened. Just that people are making it sound like it's rampant and it's not. People also make it sound like reclassing and early recruiting is specific to lacrosse. Guess what - lacrosse is late to that game. If you don't like the league change or petition the league.

False statement. Most YOUTh sports are age based. Soccer which is larger than lacrosse had a terrible problem years ago with the same thing going on with lacrosse now. They cleaned it up and you are now issued a card with birthday on it, All competitive teams have them. I very very rarely ever hear about problems with age in soccer at competetive level. Most teams are similar height with a few exceptions until around U14. After that some teams are huge and some are small. But no one complains except to say that kid is big for his age. In HOCO league, its I wonder how old he really is???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Look, I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. But I just don't care about it like others do. It would benefit my son to have the kids playing up where they belong in terms of staying on his team, but does it benefit him in terms getting better as a lacrosse player? I don't think so. He is able to compete with and in many cases surpass the holdback kids. So why would I prefer he play against lesser kids? Lacrosse has had a 2 year spread for as long as I can remember in terms of U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15. What's the difference?

First lets remember that these are children playing lacrosse that are between 8 and 15. You may not care, which is fine. But many do. Many, of course not all, feel that having select kids playing down is wrong at Youth Level. If you are going to let these select kids (mostly private school prefirst) play down, then change the date and let anyone play down from an earlier birthdate. Make it April? or whatever, but let anyone playdown that wants to.

As far as MYLA and their two year U11, U13,U15, .Yes that was two years, but every other year you were older than some players. As it is now, with single year and grade. Select kids will always be older and the kids that didnt holdback, will always be younger. That is not the way Youth sports should be run.

You might be ok as your son is a superstar and competes with the holdbacks . By your reasoning than play him your son up a year and you can play against nothing but older players. He will get really better than. But for the majority of kids that arent superstars, why are they at a disadvantage while other palyers born in same month as them get to play down???. Why cant they have that advantage???

My son is not a superstar, but he's good enough to play with kids a year or two older than he is. HOCO provided up to 4 levels of play for teams. The Elite divisions were just that. For the Elite teams(elite level players). All the clubs know the deal with holdbacks, and I would guess that every club in the Elite division has at least one over age kid. Is the problem that people's egos will take a hit if their kid's team play in the AA or A division? Like I said, I don't have a problem with it because my son has always played and always will play against boys in a range of ages. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Look, I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. But I just don't care about it like others do. It would benefit my son to have the kids playing up where they belong in terms of staying on his team, but does it benefit him in terms getting better as a lacrosse player? I don't think so. He is able to compete with and in many cases surpass the holdback kids. So why would I prefer he play against lesser kids? Lacrosse has had a 2 year spread for as long as I can remember in terms of U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15. What's the difference?

First lets remember that these are children playing lacrosse that are between 8 and 15. You may not care, which is fine. But many do. Many, of course not all, feel that having select kids playing down is wrong at Youth Level. If you are going to let these select kids (mostly private school prefirst) play down, then change the date and let anyone play down from an earlier birthdate. Make it April? or whatever, but let anyone playdown that wants to.

As far as MYLA and their two year U11, U13,U15, .Yes that was two years, but every other year you were older than some players. As it is now, with single year and grade. Select kids will always be older and the kids that didnt holdback, will always be younger. That is not the way Youth sports should be run.

You might be ok as your son is a superstar and competes with the holdbacks . By your reasoning than play him your son up a year and you can play against nothing but older players. He will get really better than. But for the majority of kids that arent superstars, why are they at a disadvantage while other palyers born in same month as them get to play down???. Why cant they have that advantage???

My son is not a superstar, but he's good enough to play with kids a year or two older than he is. HOCO provided up to 4 levels of play for teams. The Elite divisions were just that. For the Elite teams(elite level players). All the clubs know the deal with holdbacks, and I would guess that every club in the Elite division has at least one over age kid. Is the problem that people's egos will take a hit if their kid's team play in the AA or A division? Like I said, I don't have a problem with it because my son has always played and always will play against boys in a range of ages. It is what it is.

I agree and my son is in the same boat. But after this summer when you start to see the sidelines filled with college scouts it will be hard not to say to your self man if all those kids out there where 15 not 16 and a half he would be doing that much better. I think that is where the anger comes from. Most people like there kids to play up and become better players but when you are paying the extra 200 to 300 dollars per tournament because they are showcase style the reclassing kids get under your skin just that little bit more.

The only way to fix this problem is to go age based. No other youth sport has this structure. It is damaging the game over the long term. The fact that college scouts are looking at kids in the 8th and 9th grade is just sad...

Crabs 2020 elite has multiple 16 year olds and multiple kids who will turn 16 by the end of the year. There is no rumor - its a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only way to fix this problem is to go age based. No other youth sport has this structure. It is damaging the game over the long term. The fact that college scouts are looking at kids in the 8th and 9th grade is just sad...

Well I new this would come back up and I could not wait to put these stats up for all to see and talk about.
Early commits from the two teams that just played for the title are.
class of 2019 Maryland 14 verbals
UNC 8 verbals
Class of 2018 Maryland 11 verbals
UNC 11 verbals
So this is what the best two teams in lacrosse this last year have done in early recruiting. We have to wait to see what happens with this group in 4 years. But how can you say no when a team in the National championship is asking for your verbal commitment.

Need some help - Here's what I don't get - If the kid is 16 in the spring of 8th grade that means they will be 17 as a Freshman, 18 as a soph, and 19 as a Jr and ineligible to participate as a senior b/c age rules. Why would anyone want to do that? I believe the MIAA/WCAC/IAC and public school rules state �A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.� How do they get around this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a Crab parent (not that you will believe me), but I find this entire "reclass" thing very amusing. My son didn't reclass (he's in college now), but I get why it upsets people. I will say that once your sons are in HS, this thing will not seem as life and death as it does now.

The Crabs have always fielded excellent teams, and I understand they have a lot of kids who've reclassed. I get that they get the brunt of the abuse because they are very successful. My question is: what is the threshold in terms of reclassed kids? I ask because we know a lot of our friends with 8th graders, and all of those top teams have reclassed kids. Some more than others, of course.

My point is if it's unacceptable to allow the Crabs to field teams with reclassed kids, what about FCA, Looney's and others who also have reclassed kids? Is it ok if they only have 1-2 reclassed kids, but not ok if a team has more than 2? What exactly is the number that escapes scrutiny?

I am not a big fan of the Crabs owner, but if all the youth teams have reclassed kids, how does one decide to single one out more than another?

Again, I don't have a problem if people dislike the holdback phenomenon (it wasn't a big deal when my kids was a youth player). My first suggestion is to only enter tournaments that do not allow holdbacks.

But unless a team has zero holdbacks, I find it hard to understand why some teams are singled out for holdbacks and others aren't.

Can some of you guys chime in here? So what is the threshhold? 2 or fewer holdbacks is fine and exempt from criticism? 4? 1?

My stance is if the Crabs are fair game to get killed, any team should get the same level of vitriol if they have one holdback. Or at least clubs with comparable numbers of holdbacks like Madlax and FCA.

In terms of early recruiting - if Notre Dame, Duke, etc. and any of the Ivys said they wanted my kid to commit early - I would do it. In the end - I want my kid to walk away with a degree from a strong academic institution. Brown proved that you don't need o play the early commit game to be successful.

and something Johnny holdback will never hear after his resume was taken from the middle of the stack of over 200 because he played lacrosse at a top school ..Mr Hedge fund manager who played attack at Hopkins in the 90's..." Hey one last question Johnny before we have you start your job on the trading desk on Monday making $125k, were you 22 or 23 yrs old when you graduated UNC because if you were 15 in 8th grade HR is going to have a problem with it."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Look, I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. But I just don't care about it like others do. It would benefit my son to have the kids playing up where they belong in terms of staying on his team, but does it benefit him in terms getting better as a lacrosse player? I don't think so. He is able to compete with and in many cases surpass the holdback kids. So why would I prefer he play against lesser kids? Lacrosse has had a 2 year spread for as long as I can remember in terms of U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15. What's the difference?

First lets remember that these are children playing lacrosse that are between 8 and 15. You may not care, which is fine. But many do. Many, of course not all, feel that having select kids playing down is wrong at Youth Level. If you are going to let these select kids (mostly private school prefirst) play down, then change the date and let anyone play down from an earlier birthdate. Make it April? or whatever, but let anyone playdown that wants to.

As far as MYLA and their two year U11, U13,U15, .Yes that was two years, but every other year you were older than some players. As it is now, with single year and grade. Select kids will always be older and the kids that didnt holdback, will always be younger. That is not the way Youth sports should be run.

You might be ok as your son is a superstar and competes with the holdbacks . By your reasoning than play him your son up a year and you can play against nothing but older players. He will get really better than. But for the majority of kids that arent superstars, why are they at a disadvantage while other palyers born in same month as them get to play down???. Why cant they have that advantage???

My son is not a superstar, but he's good enough to play with kids a year or two older than he is. HOCO provided up to 4 levels of play for teams. The Elite divisions were just that. For the Elite teams(elite level players). All the clubs know the deal with holdbacks, and I would guess that every club in the Elite division has at least one over age kid. Is the problem that people's egos will take a hit if their kid's team play in the AA or A division? Like I said, I don't have a problem with it because my son has always played and always will play against boys in a range of ages. It is what it is.

You didnt answer anything about what I wrote. I can sum up what you said easily. ""My son's plays up and is very good ( not a superstar) so everyone else should be ok with grade based teams having children playing down. Oh and by the way it must be peoples ego why they dont like to play aginst older children."""

You are a apologist for a youth sports gone amuck. Years ago if you played your child down it would have been looked down on unless for a good reason..Now with the Balt private school influence of prefirst kids in youth lacrosse it is GREAT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Need some help - Here's what I don't get - If the kid is 16 in the spring of 8th grade that means they will be 17 as a Freshman, 18 as a soph, and 19 as a Jr and ineligible to participate as a senior b/c age rules. Why would anyone want to do that? I believe the MIAA/WCAC/IAC and public school rules state �A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.� How do they get around this?

How they get around this is they go to a prep school witch has 5 years not 4 like a high school. Just google prep schools and you will see there are at least 3 or 4 large ones per state.

Its called a PG year post graduate. IMG, Hun school all have a PG year system. With a quick search I found 140 school in the US that have PG as a option. I am guessing most have lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brown proved that you don't need o play the early commit game to be successful.

Brown does a TON of early recruiting. What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brown proved that you don't need o play the early commit game to be successful.

Brown does a TON of early recruiting. What are you talking about?

You are correct Brown has 1 verbal in the 2019 class and they have 7 verbals in the 2018 class. And just for kicks they have 7 verbals also in the 2017 class. So it looks like they are smart and leave spots of 6 more kids or so later on. Not like Maryland and JHU witch have already filled there 2019 class with 11 or so kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its called a PG year post graduate. IMG, Hun school all have a PG year system. With a quick search I found 140 school in the US that have PG as a option. I am guessing most have lacrosse.

Is it an option to not play your senior year if you have a verbal? Do some kids just skip sports their senior year and keep grades up?

The majority of lacrosse players are not going to Wall Street to make 125K - the majority of them are going to work at a Lax store.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Look, I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. But I just don't care about it like others do. It would benefit my son to have the kids playing up where they belong in terms of staying on his team, but does it benefit him in terms getting better as a lacrosse player? I don't think so. He is able to compete with and in many cases surpass the holdback kids. So why would I prefer he play against lesser kids? Lacrosse has had a 2 year spread for as long as I can remember in terms of U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15. What's the difference?

First lets remember that these are children playing lacrosse that are between 8 and 15. You may not care, which is fine. But many do. Many, of course not all, feel that having select kids playing down is wrong at Youth Level. If you are going to let these select kids (mostly private school prefirst) play down, then change the date and let anyone play down from an earlier birthdate. Make it April? or whatever, but let anyone playdown that wants to.

As far as MYLA and their two year U11, U13,U15, .Yes that was two years, but every other year you were older than some players. As it is now, with single year and grade. Select kids will always be older and the kids that didnt holdback, will always be younger. That is not the way Youth sports should be run.

You might be ok as your son is a superstar and competes with the holdbacks . By your reasoning than play him your son up a year and you can play against nothing but older players. He will get really better than. But for the majority of kids that arent superstars, why are they at a disadvantage while other palyers born in same month as them get to play down???. Why cant they have that advantage???

My son is not a superstar, but he's good enough to play with kids a year or two older than he is. HOCO provided up to 4 levels of play for teams. The Elite divisions were just that. For the Elite teams(elite level players). All the clubs know the deal with holdbacks, and I would guess that every club in the Elite division has at least one over age kid. Is the problem that people's egos will take a hit if their kid's team play in the AA or A division? Like I said, I don't have a problem with it because my son has always played and always will play against boys in a range of ages. It is what it is.

You didnt answer anything about what I wrote. I can sum up what you said easily. ""My son's plays up and is very good ( not a superstar) so everyone else should be ok with grade based teams having children playing down. Oh and by the way it must be peoples ego why they dont like to play aginst older children."""

You are a apologist for a youth sports gone amuck. Years ago if you played your child down it would have been looked down on unless for a good reason..Now with the Balt private school influence of prefirst kids in youth lacrosse it is GREAT!

No. My son doesn't play up. He is on age for his grade. He plays with his grade. All the clubs, leagues, tournaments are grade based. I don't think it's right for 16 year olds to be in 8th grade, but the fact that they are doesn't bother me. My point was that the boys have been playing with older kids their whole lives. When did that become detrimental to them? If a parent wants to shell out the extra 28k-60k for an extra year or two of MIAA schools, that's their prerogative and really none of my business. I do think it hurts people's egos if their son can't make one of the elite teams because of holdbacks. It doesn't really matter in the long run though. Good players will be found if the parents are proactive and they are playing in the proper tournaments. College Coaches don't care who wins.

I find it difficult to understand how a parent can allow their child to repeat multiple grades in order to appear superior to the on age kids they are playing against. Like all competitive youth sports lacrosse should be age based. The current model is not working properly, US Lacrosse knows it, the College coaches know it and the majority of parents know it.

"Not working". Are you really that stupid? It is working just fine for the kids and the parents that are going with the flow and not resisting the current early recruiting landscape.. Do you not understand that it's all about roster spots being filled early? Your little Johnny may be a stud by the time he reaches 11th grade and there just might not be a spot for him at his dream school "Duke, UNC etc". Ok ok ..yes some schools leave a few spots open for the rare "Phenom" but the odds are not in your favor at that point. The decision makers on the sidelines this summer don't care how old all the boys are in the 2020 class. All they care about is who (relative to the other kids they are competing against) is the most athletic, most skilled player that will fit best into their program. Fact! Embrace it, don't fight it!

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"Not working". Are you really that stupid? It is working just fine for the kids and the parents that are going with the flow and not resisting the current early recruiting landscape.. Do you not understand that it's all about roster spots being filled early? Your little Johnny may be a stud by the time he reaches 11th grade and there just might not be a spot for him at his dream school "Duke, UNC etc". Ok ok ..yes some schools leave a few spots open for the rare "Phenom" but the odds are not in your favor at that point. The decision makers on the sidelines this summer don't care how old all the boys are in the 2020 class. All they care about is who (relative to the other kids they are competing against) is the most athletic, most skilled player that will fit best into their program. Fact! Embrace it, don't fight it!

Actually, it's not working and the coaches know it (and most parents kids know it as well). If it is working so well, why have both the Intercollegiate Women's Lacrosse Coaches Association and the Intercollegiate Men's Lacrosse Coaches Association both approved a measure requesting that the NCAA ban any communication between college coaches and an athlete and her family before Sept. 1 of the athlete's junior year in high school.

Imagine all the planning and extra tuition dollars (for another year of middle school) that come to naught if this ban is adopted by the NCAA and eighth/ninth grade verbal commitments are banned.

Is this the fat crab himself writing this drivel or a Crab parent trying to make himself feel good about his gaming of the system? If a kid in the 11th grade is total stud - your verbal won't mean a damn thing if your taking the 11th grader's spot. All they care about is who (relative to the other kids they are competing against) is the most athletic, most skilled player that will fit best into their program.

Actually, college coaches are starting to ask the age of the kids. They are becoming more and more aware that a kid that is just older (and looks like a total stud) isn't the same thing as an "on age" stud. Plus, how embarrassing for the kid that is held back and looks amazing now, but he ends up on campus and never contributes because he really isn't that great. So odd to me that parents/kids even think this is a good idea.

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How about this - the majority (not presumptuous) of parents think it is ridiculous that 8th grade teams have 16 year olds on them? Does that suit you? What percentage of all the 8th graders in the entire Maryland public school system are 16 years old? Care to guess?

Look, I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. But I just don't care about it like others do. It would benefit my son to have the kids playing up where they belong in terms of staying on his team, but does it benefit him in terms getting better as a lacrosse player? I don't think so. He is able to compete with and in many cases surpass the holdback kids. So why would I prefer he play against lesser kids? Lacrosse has had a 2 year spread for as long as I can remember in terms of U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15. What's the difference?

First lets remember that these are children playing lacrosse that are between 8 and 15. You may not care, which is fine. But many do. Many, of course not all, feel that having select kids playing down is wrong at Youth Level. If you are going to let these select kids (mostly private school prefirst) play down, then change the date and let anyone play down from an earlier birthdate. Make it April? or whatever, but let anyone playdown that wants to.

As far as MYLA and their two year U11, U13,U15, .Yes that was two years, but every other year you were older than some players. As it is now, with single year and grade. Select kids will always be older and the kids that didnt holdback, will always be younger. That is not the way Youth sports should be run.

You might be ok as your son is a superstar and competes with the holdbacks . By your reasoning than play him your son up a year and you can play against nothing but older players. He will get really better than. But for the majority of kids that arent superstars, why are they at a disadvantage while other palyers born in same month as them get to play down???. Why cant they have that advantage???

My son is not a superstar, but he's good enough to play with kids a year or two older than he is. HOCO provided up to 4 levels of play for teams. The Elite divisions were just that. For the Elite teams(elite level players). All the clubs know the deal with holdbacks, and I would guess that every club in the Elite division has at least one over age kid. Is the problem that people's egos will take a hit if their kid's team play in the AA or A division? Like I said, I don't have a problem with it because my son has always played and always will play against boys in a range of ages. It is what it is.

You didnt answer anything about what I wrote. I can sum up what you said easily. ""My son's plays up and is very good ( not a superstar) so everyone else should be ok with grade based teams having children playing down. Oh and by the way it must be peoples ego why they dont like to play aginst older children."""

You are a apologist for a youth sports gone amuck. Years ago if you played your child down it would have been looked down on unless for a good reason..Now with the Balt private school influence of prefirst kids in youth lacrosse it is GREAT!

No. My son doesn't play up. He is on age for his grade. He plays with his grade. All the clubs, leagues, tournaments are grade based. I don't think it's right for 16 year olds to be in 8th grade, but the fact that they are doesn't bother me. My point was that the boys have been playing with older kids their whole lives. When did that become detrimental to them? If a parent wants to shell out the extra 28k-60k for an extra year or two of MIAA schools, that's their prerogative and really none of my business. I do think it hurts people's egos if their son can't make one of the elite teams because of holdbacks. It doesn't really matter in the long run though. Good players will be found if the parents are proactive and they are playing in the proper tournaments. College Coaches don't care who wins.

Once again it is " my son can do it so why shouldn't everyone..And if it works for me, the heck with the rest of you. And by the way, because your son didnt make the team your ego is hurt, " You are a apologist for an unfair system that rewards select children. And most are in the private schools of Maryland. So as long as it is OK for your son, all is fine in your blinded world.

You create constant straw man arguments and then move on to a new one once you are called out. Now its " if private school parents shell out money , none of our business", Who said anything about that?? Just you! And who cares if kids are sixteen in 8th grade, Only You!. The rest care that the 16 year old is allowed to play against 13-14 year olds.

You must be a private school parent or a wanta be. Only in the private school world is it ok to have this many kids heldback and then use this advantage over younger children. Yea, Character education matters in the private schools.

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

For top teams from metro areas (outside of LI), I'd say the number of kids born before 9/1 is more like 5-10 per team.

I don't know that it's about winning. It's a race to the bottom, where for any particular kid it's probably a good decision to start school late or repeat a year, whether athletically or academically, but I'm not sure it's great overall. In any event, lacrosse-wise, we all want to see kids do well because they work hard on their game, versus play against younger kids.

Once the kid is in high school I don't really care how old he is - at that point - most kids - except for some late blooming freshmen will have hit puberty. I do have a problem with kids that should be in the 10th grade - who have hit puberty - playing against on age 7th and 8th grade kids in a youth lacrosse program. Its dangerous, its unfair and a return to grade based classification with an end of early recruiting would seriously curtail the need/desire of parents to have their kid repeat a grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

For top teams from metro areas (outside of LI), I'd say the number of kids born before 9/1 is more like 5-10 per team.

I don't know that it's about winning. It's a race to the bottom, where for any particular kid it's probably a good decision to start school late or repeat a year, whether athletically or academically, but I'm not sure it's great overall. In any event, lacrosse-wise, we all want to see kids do well because they work hard on their game, versus play against younger kids.

It is certainly not common to have 5-10 kids born prior to 9/1. It is on Crabs but not the other teams. More like 3 or 4 as I said. That leaves plenty of roster spots on the 12 Elite/AA teams for on age kids. Is the issue that your kid is on one of these teams and don't think it "fair" to play teams with more older kids than you have? Or is it that your kid wasn't able to take one of the over 200 spots that are available on these Elite/AA teams that are currently held by one age players?

My issue is the teams (Crabs) that make reclassification an integral part of developing their roster. Their 2020 team has sixteen year olds playing for an 8th grade team. The audacity to put a 16 year old on the field with 13 year olds is mind blowing. I just don't get how people can think this is OK.

My kid is on age and plays for an elite team. I am just tired of the shenanigans.

Wait till you get to HS. Specially public schools. The politics and BS are much more than this Middle School stuff. Settle back and drink a beer. This middle school lax will pass. Make sure your son is having fun. No money in Lacrosse my friend. Keep those grades up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My issue is the teams (Crabs) that make reclassification an integral part of developing their roster. Their 2020 team has sixteen year olds playing for an 8th grade team. The audacity to put a 16 year old on the field with 13 year olds is mind blowing. I just don't get how people can think this is OK.

My kid is on age and plays for an elite team. I am just tired of the shenanigans.

The audacity to put an 8th grader on the 8th grade team? Their parents had them repeat grades, not the club. Why are you not ok with it? They lost 2 games this spring. Is your son at some sort of disadvantage playing against them if he is on one of the other elite teams(which have holdbacks as well)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My issue is the teams (Crabs) that make reclassification an integral part of developing their roster. Their 2020 team has sixteen year olds playing for an 8th grade team. The audacity to put a 16 year old on the field with 13 year olds is mind blowing. I just don't get how people can think this is OK.

My kid is on age and plays for an elite team. I am just tired of the shenanigans.

The audacity to put an 8th grader on the 8th grade team? Their parents had them repeat grades, not the club. Why are you not ok with it? They lost 2 games this spring. Is your son at some sort of disadvantage playing against them if he is on one of the other elite teams(which have holdbacks as well)?

putting a 15 or 16 year old on an 8th grade team is wrong. the may be in 8th grade, but physical he is much more mature. this is the issue with grade based teams.

You cannot be serious? They repeated grades for one reason - because the Crabs owner told them to do so. A kid born in March of 2000 should not be in the 8th grade. 20 years old when they graduate high school.

Yes. My kid and every other on age kid are at a disadvantage. Is that so hard to comprehend? Please don't pretend that all the other elite teams even come close to Crabs in the number of holdbacks in the lineup. The only 2020/21 line up that will change for the summer is the Crabs. All the weak/younger players on to the 2020 team will now magically appear on the 2021 team.

Crabs lost two games and squeaked by a few others for one reason - they aren't that good. Without their holdbacks they wouldn't even be competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You cannot be serious? They repeated grades for one reason - because the Crabs owner told them to do so. A kid born in March of 2000 should not be in the 8th grade. 20 years old when they graduate high school.

Yes. My kid and every other on age kid are at a disadvantage. Is that so hard to comprehend? Please don't pretend that all the other elite teams even come close to Crabs in the number of holdbacks in the lineup. The only 2020/21 line up that will change for the summer is the Crabs. All the weak/younger players on to the 2020 team will now magically appear on the 2021 team.

Crabs lost two games and squeaked by a few others for one reason - they aren't that good. Without their holdbacks they wouldn't even be competitive.

Crabs 2020 lost quite a few very good players due to the holdbacks. to say they wouldn't be competitive is wrong, they wouldn't be on par with Looney's Orange or probably Hawks but they would be on par FCA and probably better than 91 Plat.

Y'all need to move on and get a life about your obsession with Crabs 2020. In about another month middle school lacrosse will be over for the 2020 boys. Only the strong will survive in high school and your grade based whining will render itself irrelevant. As a matter of fact you might want to go down to Walmart and pick yourself out a pair big boy pants for high school.

Crab parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Y'all need to move on and get a life about your obsession with Crabs 2020. In about another month middle school lacrosse will be over for the 2020 boys. Only the strong will survive in high school and your grade based whining will render itself irrelevant. As a matter of fact you might want to go down to Walmart and pick yourself out a pair big boy pants for high school.

thanks crabby daddy, how did it feel when your 16 year old got beat by kids half his size and 2 years younger?

Ha! It must have hurt. Fat Crab looked like he was about to burst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You cannot be serious? They repeated grades for one reason - because the Crabs owner told them to do so. A kid born in March of 2000 should not be in the 8th grade. 20 years old when they graduate high school.

Yes. My kid and every other on age kid are at a disadvantage. Is that so hard to comprehend? Please don't pretend that all the other elite teams even come close to Crabs in the number of holdbacks in the lineup. The only 2020/21 line up that will change for the summer is the Crabs. All the weak/younger players on to the 2020 team will now magically appear on the 2021 team.

Crabs lost two games and squeaked by a few others for one reason - they aren't that good. Without their holdbacks they wouldn't even be competitive.

Neither of the 16 year old kids repeated grades because Crabs told them to as they repeated them in elementary school(and went to prefirst). Unless RM is trolling BL's lower school looking for big 3rd graders this lies solely on the parents. If they came to Looneys tryouts or FCA do you think those programs would have turned them away? Of course not.

This myth that Crabs tells parents that their kids need to repeat grades is just that. I'm sure someone will come on here and say they "know" someone that RM told that to, but it just doesn't happen. The parents are the ones that drive this as they feel it gives their child an advantage. And in the case of the two double holdbacks, they were done in elementary school for academic reasons. Worry about your own kids. I'm sorry you feel that your son is at a disadvantage. Maybe your son should get used to it as that's what life is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You cannot be serious? They repeated grades for one reason - because the Crabs owner told them to do so. A kid born in March of 2000 should not be in the 8th grade. 20 years old when they graduate high school.

Yes. My kid and every other on age kid are at a disadvantage. Is that so hard to comprehend? Please don't pretend that all the other elite teams even come close to Crabs in the number of holdbacks in the lineup. The only 2020/21 line up that will change for the summer is the Crabs. All the weak/younger players on to the 2020 team will now magically appear on the 2021 team.

Crabs lost two games and squeaked by a few others for one reason - they aren't that good. Without their holdbacks they wouldn't even be competitive.

Neither of the 16 year old kids repeated grades because Crabs told them to as they repeated them in elementary school(and went to prefirst). Unless RM is trolling BL's lower school looking for big 3rd graders this lies solely on the parents. If they came to Looneys tryouts or FCA do you think those programs would have turned them away? Of course not.

This myth that Crabs tells parents that their kids need to repeat grades is just that. I'm sure someone will come on here and say they "know" someone that RM told that to, but it just doesn't happen. The parents are the ones that drive this as they feel it gives their child an advantage. And in the case of the two double holdbacks, they were done in elementary school for academic reasons. Worry about your own kids. I'm sorry you feel that your son is at a disadvantage. Maybe your son should get used to it as that's what life is.

Crabs definitely does tell parents that their kids need to stay back in order to play Crabs the following season.

BS that Crabs does not encourage you to reclassify. Of course they do. Academic reasons - sure - whatever. There are more than two double holdbacks on Crabs. Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS that Crabs does not encourage you to reclassify. Of course they do. Academic reasons - sure - whatever. There are more than two double holdbacks on Crabs. Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid.

Crabs supports the parents if that's what they choose to do. There's a big difference. The club does not tell kids that they need to repeat a grade to stay on the team. That has never happened.

There are 2 double holdbacks on Crabs at any grade. They are both on 2020. And they both repeated grades in elementary school for academic reasons. You can say anything you want, it doesn't make it true.

What about the good on age player that is bumped down the food chain because of the number of holdbacks on the team? An unfair advantage for one kid is a unfair disadvantage for another kid. Don't reply with that lame response that my kid must suck, because he was good enough to play for the aforementioned teams, good enough to start as a freshman for his HS varsity team, and good enough to commit to a good mid-level D1 program as a sophomore. How are the 10 on age Crabs kids / parents going to feel when they are told / asked to reclassify if they have any hopes of making the team this Fall? Yes - there are some victims due to the selfish behaviors of those that can.

Crabs supports/Crabs encourages - there is no difference. The bottom line is teams roster is built around holdbacks. Its the way fat crab rolls. Just own it.

How many kids are 16 or are turning 16 by the end of 2016 on the Crabs 2020 team?

How many kids on the 2020 team will be 20 years old when they graduate HS?

How many kids on the 2020 team will be ineligible to play in the MIAA their Senior year because they are too old?

How many 2020 players will be on the 2021 team next year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BS that Crabs does not encourage you to reclassify. Of course they do. Academic reasons - sure - whatever. There are more than two double holdbacks on Crabs. Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid.

Crabs supports the parents if that's what they choose to do. There's a big difference. The club does not tell kids that they need to repeat a grade to stay on the team. That has never happened.

There are 2 double holdbacks on Crabs at any grade. They are both on 2020. And they both repeated grades in elementary school for academic reasons. You can say anything you want, it doesn't make it true.

That is pure BS, Crabs does indeed suggest that kids repeat.
How about the middie on Crabs 2020 that goes to BL. On his mothers Facebook page it shows a picture of him, first day of 7th grade at Severn School, picture taken 8/2013. Another picture of him and his mother taken 12/2015 with him behind the wheel of the family car, mom in the passenger seat. He played for Crabs since at least 2013 and for the spring of 2014 and 2015 he played for Crabs 2019 team, yet this spring he is on Crabs 2020. Not sure when he transferred to BL from Severn and not sure what grade he is in at BL presently but this kid is older and if he has an early birthday he is most likely 16 years old. I have heard from both present and former Crab parents that Ryan McClernan does indeed suggest that players hold back and repeat a grade and here is a good example. RM is tight with BL and all of a sudden this kid is at BL from Severn School. And he lives in Pasadena. Md. And please Crab fans, don't even suggest he was playing up because that is not true and would be pure BS. I would not mention the players name, that would not be right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the good on age player that is bumped down the food chain because of the number of holdbacks on the team? An unfair advantage for one kid is a unfair disadvantage for another kid. Don't reply with that lame response that my kid must suck, because he was good enough to play for the aforementioned teams, good enough to start as a freshman for his HS varsity team, and good enough to commit to a good mid-level D1 program as a sophomore. How are the 10 on age Crabs kids / parents going to feel when they are told / asked to reclassify if they have any hopes of making the team this Fall? Yes - there are some victims due to the selfish behaviors of those that can.

As a parent of am on age carbs player, you know the deal when you start playing there. If my son gets cut in 8th grade for a holdback, or just b cause someone better on age shows up, he'll go somewhere else. Don't sign up if you aren't willing to deal with that possibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

What is the problem?? And it is all about ego?? That is your response?
This is about all Maryland youth club lacrosse and what goes on in it.This isnt a private school club world where only private school prefirst kids get the advantage. But that is where all your thinking comes from. You can tell by your constant cheerleading for these kids playing down.

You must have bought what is taught to the prefirst kids about them being the leaders of their future grade. That may be the case in the private school environment, but to the rest of Maryland it is BS. Most people including many in private schools feel getting an advantage over other children in youth sports due to being held back is wrong. Every parent does what they think is right for child when it comes to their education, but you dont get an advantage over the same age children in the public area for this.

You say what is wrong with playing older children, it makes you better and they are in your grade Right?..But you want other children to play against much older children out of their age bracket. So in grade OK..Out of age bracket Not OK..You are a Hypocrite and an apologist for holdback mentality in youth lacrosse.

That is pure BS, Crabs does indeed suggest that kids repeat.
How about the middie on Crabs 2020 that goes to BL. On his mothers Facebook page it shows a picture of him, first day of 7th grade at Severn School, picture taken 8/2013. Another picture of him and his mother taken 12/2015 with him behind the wheel of the family car, mom in the passenger seat. He played for Crabs since at least 2013 and for the spring of 2014 and 2015 he played for Crabs 2019 team, yet this spring he is on Crabs 2020. Not sure when he transferred to BL from Severn and not sure what grade he is in at BL presently but this kid is older and if he has an early birthday he is most likely 16 years old. I have heard from both present and former Crab parents that Ryan McClernan does indeed suggest that players hold back and repeat a grade and here is a good example. RM is tight with BL and all of a sudden this kid is at BL from Severn School. And he lives in Pasadena. Md. And please Crab fans, don't even suggest he was playing up because that is not true and would be pure BS. I would not mention the players name, that would not be right. [/quote]

Mentioning his name wouldn't be right but you are stalking his mom's Facebook page? You're insane. Get a life. Quit the "I heard" and stalking moms of 8th graders.

If your kid needs to be held back twice for academic reasons, he/she should probably spend less time on the bounce back and more time in the library.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

What is the problem?? And it is all about ego?? That is your response?
This is about all Maryland youth club lacrosse and what goes on in it.This isnt a private school club world where only private school prefirst kids get the advantage. But that is where all your thinking comes from. You can tell by your constant cheerleading for these kids playing down.

You must have bought what is taught to the prefirst kids about them being the leaders of their future grade. That may be the case in the private school environment, but to the rest of Maryland it is BS. Most people including many in private schools feel getting an advantage over other children in youth sports due to being held back is wrong. Every parent does what they think is right for child when it comes to their education, but you dont get an advantage over the same age children in the public area for this.

You say what is wrong with playing older children, it makes you better and they are in your grade Right?..But you want other children to play against much older children out of their age bracket. So in grade OK..Out of age bracket Not OK..You are a Hypocrite and an apologist for holdback mentality in youth lacrosse.

How am I a hypocrite? I see no problem with my son or any other boy playing other boys a year or two older than they are. If their parents want to pay for it good for them. Why does it upset you so? You have the same option if you chose to do so. If you want to reclass your kid at a private school they will let you. We are talking about 7th and 8th grade lacrosse. Call me an apologist all you want. You constantly whining is ridiculous. I'm sorry you feel like it's only fair for your son to play against kids the exact same age as him. The travesty it must be for him to do otherwise. You must be so proud of his courage to step on the field with the other kids in his grade that are older than he is. Your constant railing about the advantage for a select few MIAA kids is a useless crusade. Get over it or tell your club you won't play til they ban holdbacks. See how that works out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the good on age player that is bumped down the food chain because of the number of holdbacks on the team? An unfair advantage for one kid is a unfair disadvantage for another kid. Don't reply with that lame response that my kid must suck, because he was good enough to play for the aforementioned teams, good enough to start as a freshman for his HS varsity team, and good enough to commit to a good mid-level D1 program as a sophomore. How are the 10 on age Crabs kids / parents going to feel when they are told / asked to reclassify if they have any hopes of making the team this Fall? Yes - there are some victims due to the selfish behaviors of those that can.

Wait. Are you saying kids who don't make an Elite or AA club lacrosse team are victims? I can agree that youth lacrosse should be by age or at least some age parameters to grade. But victim? Maybe start a movement and protest at the next tournament

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How about the middie on Crabs 2020 that goes to BL. On his mothers Facebook page it shows a picture of him, first day of 7th grade at Severn School, picture taken 8/2013. Another picture of him and his mother taken 12/2015 with him behind the wheel of the family car, mom in the passenger seat. He played for Crabs since at least 2013 and for the spring of 2014 and 2015 he played for Crabs 2019 team, yet this spring he is on Crabs 2020. Not sure when he transferred to BL from Severn and not sure what grade he is in at BL presently but this kid is older and if he has an early birthday he is most likely 16 years old.

Not sure which is weirder: that you actually are investigating and stalking teenage boys, or that you aren't embarrassed to admit it publicly.

Freak.

I agree / you are right - "victim" is a wrong word choice for mostly upper middle class kids playing a game. I was responding to a prior poster about the repercussions of the holdback scenario in which good on age players are relegated to role players due to the impact of the holdbacks. By no means a crime! But, the cycle repeats itself as those kids / parents weigh their options. No qualms about losing a spot to a better player, but to a older player in youth sports is not fair play as we would all like to believe it was intended. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the good on age player that is bumped down the food chain because of the number of holdbacks on the team? An unfair advantage for one kid is a unfair disadvantage for another kid. Don't reply with that lame response that my kid must suck, because he was good enough to play for the aforementioned teams, good enough to start as a freshman for his HS varsity team, and good enough to commit to a good mid-level D1 program as a sophomore. How are the 10 on age Crabs kids / parents going to feel when they are told / asked to reclassify if they have any hopes of making the team this Fall? Yes - there are some victims due to the selfish behaviors of those that can.

Wait. Are you saying kids who don't make an Elite or AA club lacrosse team are victims? I can agree that youth lacrosse should be by age or at least some age parameters to grade. But victim? Maybe start a movement and protest at the next tournament

How are the UA tryouts looking at Goucher? Any feedback or perspective?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree / you are right - "victim" is a wrong word choice for mostly upper middle class kids playing a game. I was responding to a prior poster about the repercussions of the holdback scenario in which good on age players are relegated to role players due to the impact of the holdbacks. By no means a crime! But, the cycle repeats itself as those kids / parents weigh their options. No qualms about losing a spot to a better player, but to a older player in youth sports is not fair play as we would all like to believe it was intended. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the good on age player that is bumped down the food chain because of the number of holdbacks on the team? An unfair advantage for one kid is a unfair disadvantage for another kid. Don't reply with that lame response that my kid must suck, because he was good enough to play for the aforementioned teams, good enough to start as a freshman for his HS varsity team, and good enough to commit to a good mid-level D1 program as a sophomore. How are the 10 on age Crabs kids / parents going to feel when they are told / asked to reclassify if they have any hopes of making the team this Fall? Yes - there are some victims due to the selfish behaviors of those that can.

Wait. Are you saying kids who don't make an Elite or AA club lacrosse team are victims? I can agree that youth lacrosse should be by age or at least some age parameters to grade. But victim? Maybe start a movement and protest at the next tournament

Does your kid play for Crabs? If not, why do you care about crabs bringing in holdbacks that take on age kids spots? My on age son is on crabs and we all understand that possibility going in. If it happens, you move on. I appreciate your concern for my child though.

I don't care what you do with your kid. If you want to associate yourself with the Crabs - that is your decision. If your kid is on age and isn't a superstar be prepared to re-class or be shown the door in the 7th and 8th grade.

Bottom line is grade based classification opens up youth lacrosse to people gaming the system. 16 year olds should not be on 8th grade teams. If you want to stay grade based - do it with an age cut off - just like WSYL last year in Denver. How did that work out for the fat crab?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the UA tryouts looking at Goucher? Any feedback or perspective?

Looks pretty good probably 150 kids from a lot of the big clubs around like crabs, FCA, looneys, team91. The talent out there is top notch and there was a good turnout from the college coaches as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

What is the problem?? And it is all about ego?? That is your response?
This is about all Maryland youth club lacrosse and what goes on in it.This isnt a private school club world where only private school prefirst kids get the advantage. But that is where all your thinking comes from. You can tell by your constant cheerleading for these kids playing down.

You must have bought what is taught to the prefirst kids about them being the leaders of their future grade. That may be the case in the private school environment, but to the rest of Maryland it is BS. Most people including many in private schools feel getting an advantage over other children in youth sports due to being held back is wrong. Every parent does what they think is right for child when it comes to their education, but you dont get an advantage over the same age children in the public area for this.

You say what is wrong with playing older children, it makes you better and they are in your grade Right?..But you want other children to play against much older children out of their age bracket. So in grade OK..Out of age bracket Not OK..You are a Hypocrite and an apologist for holdback mentality in youth lacrosse.

How am I a hypocrite? I see no problem with my son or any other boy playing other boys a year or two older than they are. If their parents want to pay for it good for them. Why does it upset you so? You have the same option if you chose to do so. If you want to reclass your kid at a private school they will let you. We are talking about 7th and 8th grade lacrosse. Call me an apologist all you want. You constantly whining is ridiculous. I'm sorry you feel like it's only fair for your son to play against kids the exact same age as him. The travesty it must be for him to do otherwise. You must be so proud of his courage to step on the field with the other kids in his grade that are older than he is. Your constant railing about the advantage for a select few MIAA kids is a useless crusade. Get over it or tell your club you won't play til they ban holdbacks. See how that works out.

You are a hypocrite for the reasons I stated above.
Now you bring out some new straw men! I can choose to reclass my kids if I want and enjoy the advantage like other people do at the Youth level. No thanks. I have always taught my children to compete with other children like them or older. Not compete against younger children like YOU claim is ok.

I also like your BS Straw man line about how I feel like my son only needs to play against kids his own age. Who said that, Only YOU. My one son who is finished now with lacrosse played high level from a child to college. Never once did I consider him playing against YOUNGER children until HS. Then it really didn�t matter. As he went being the youngest to oldest as he went thru HS. My other is in the system now starting his HS years. He never played down against younger children. O and by way it is a MIAA school. That is why I know so much about the world of holdbacks and prefirsts. I could care less that a parent holds his child back, but this ridiculous notion of changing Club Youth lacrosse to allow only select kids to play down is terrible. It is not the way the game was meant to be played. Maybe in your world it is OK playing down but not mine.

It ceases to amaze me how people like you go on and on about us whining about holdbacks and we need to toughen our sons up, or they only want to play against their own age instead of older players,etc,etc. You along with the rest of the holdback apologists try to paint us like we are just scared to compete. When in reality it is apologists like you who are afraid to compete on a level playing field.

It's I "couldn't" care less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

What is the problem?? And it is all about ego?? That is your response?
This is about all Maryland youth club lacrosse and what goes on in it.This isnt a private school club world where only private school prefirst kids get the advantage. But that is where all your thinking comes from. You can tell by your constant cheerleading for these kids playing down.

You must have bought what is taught to the prefirst kids about them being the leaders of their future grade. That may be the case in the private school environment, but to the rest of Maryland it is BS. Most people including many in private schools feel getting an advantage over other children in youth sports due to being held back is wrong. Every parent does what they think is right for child when it comes to their education, but you dont get an advantage over the same age children in the public area for this.

You say what is wrong with playing older children, it makes you better and they are in your grade Right?..But you want other children to play against much older children out of their age bracket. So in grade OK..Out of age bracket Not OK..You are a Hypocrite and an apologist for holdback mentality in youth lacrosse.

How am I a hypocrite? I see no problem with my son or any other boy playing other boys a year or two older than they are. If their parents want to pay for it good for them. Why does it upset you so? You have the same option if you chose to do so. If you want to reclass your kid at a private school they will let you. We are talking about 7th and 8th grade lacrosse. Call me an apologist all you want. You constantly whining is ridiculous. I'm sorry you feel like it's only fair for your son to play against kids the exact same age as him. The travesty it must be for him to do otherwise. You must be so proud of his courage to step on the field with the other kids in his grade that are older than he is. Your constant railing about the advantage for a select few MIAA kids is a useless crusade. Get over it or tell your club you won't play til they ban holdbacks. See how that works out.

You are a hypocrite for the reasons I stated above.
Now you bring out some new straw men! I can choose to reclass my kids if I want and enjoy the advantage like other people do at the Youth level. No thanks. I have always taught my children to compete with other children like them or older. Not compete against younger children like YOU claim is ok.

I also like your BS Straw man line about how I feel like my son only needs to play against kids his own age. Who said that, Only YOU. My one son who is finished now with lacrosse played high level from a child to college. Never once did I consider him playing against YOUNGER children until HS. Then it really didn�t matter. As he went being the youngest to oldest as he went thru HS. My other is in the system now starting his HS years. He never played down against younger children. O and by way it is a MIAA school. That is why I know so much about the world of holdbacks and prefirsts. I could care less that a parent holds his child back, but this ridiculous notion of changing Club Youth lacrosse to allow only select kids to play down is terrible. It is not the way the game was meant to be played. Maybe in your world it is OK playing down but not mine.

It ceases to amaze me how people like you go on and on about us whining about holdbacks and we need to toughen our sons up, or they only want to play against their own age instead of older players,etc,etc. You along with the rest of the holdback apologists try to paint us like we are just scared to compete. When in reality it is apologists like you who are afraid to compete on a level playing field.

I don't feel the need to have my son play down. As I said, my son is on age, also at an MIAA school. I just don't think it's the worst thing in the world for him to play some older kids. I grew up playing that way. My older son went through when things were U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15 and was always playing older kids. If parents feel their son needs that, that's their decision. It doesn't really effect me. Not sure why you are so offended by it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

What is the problem?? And it is all about ego?? That is your response?
This is about all Maryland youth club lacrosse and what goes on in it.This isnt a private school club world where only private school prefirst kids get the advantage. But that is where all your thinking comes from. You can tell by your constant cheerleading for these kids playing down.

You must have bought what is taught to the prefirst kids about them being the leaders of their future grade. That may be the case in the private school environment, but to the rest of Maryland it is BS. Most people including many in private schools feel getting an advantage over other children in youth sports due to being held back is wrong. Every parent does what they think is right for child when it comes to their education, but you dont get an advantage over the same age children in the public area for this.

You say what is wrong with playing older children, it makes you better and they are in your grade Right?..But you want other children to play against much older children out of their age bracket. So in grade OK..Out of age bracket Not OK..You are a Hypocrite and an apologist for holdback mentality in youth lacrosse.

How am I a hypocrite? I see no problem with my son or any other boy playing other boys a year or two older than they are. If their parents want to pay for it good for them. Why does it upset you so? You have the same option if you chose to do so. If you want to reclass your kid at a private school they will let you. We are talking about 7th and 8th grade lacrosse. Call me an apologist all you want. You constantly whining is ridiculous. I'm sorry you feel like it's only fair for your son to play against kids the exact same age as him. The travesty it must be for him to do otherwise. You must be so proud of his courage to step on the field with the other kids in his grade that are older than he is. Your constant railing about the advantage for a select few MIAA kids is a useless crusade. Get over it or tell your club you won't play til they ban holdbacks. See how that works out.

You are a hypocrite for the reasons I stated above.
Now you bring out some new straw men! I can choose to reclass my kids if I want and enjoy the advantage like other people do at the Youth level. No thanks. I have always taught my children to compete with other children like them or older. Not compete against younger children like YOU claim is ok.

I also like your BS Straw man line about how I feel like my son only needs to play against kids his own age. Who said that, Only YOU. My one son who is finished now with lacrosse played high level from a child to college. Never once did I consider him playing against YOUNGER children until HS. Then it really didn�t matter. As he went being the youngest to oldest as he went thru HS. My other is in the system now starting his HS years. He never played down against younger children. O and by way it is a MIAA school. That is why I know so much about the world of holdbacks and prefirsts. I could care less that a parent holds his child back, but this ridiculous notion of changing Club Youth lacrosse to allow only select kids to play down is terrible. It is not the way the game was meant to be played. Maybe in your world it is OK playing down but not mine.

It ceases to amaze me how people like you go on and on about us whining about holdbacks and we need to toughen our sons up, or they only want to play against their own age instead of older players,etc,etc. You along with the rest of the holdback apologists try to paint us like we are just scared to compete. When in reality it is apologists like you who are afraid to compete on a level playing field.

I don't feel the need to have my son play down. As I said, my son is on age, also at an MIAA school. I just don't think it's the worst thing in the world for him to play some older kids. I grew up playing that way. My older son went through when things were U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15 and was always playing older kids. If parents feel their son needs that, that's their decision. It doesn't really effect me. Not sure why you are so offended by it.

You are only half way correct your son played older kids every other year. The second year at U-11 or U13 your son was the older kid playing with some kids 1 and a half years younger give or take. So you need a one year system to be fair. So life does not have to be fair but people should try to make thing close to fair as possible when dealing with kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said in my original post that my son does go to an MIAA school but is on age. My question is, what are the repercussions of these disadvantages that you think the kids are facing? Is it bad for them to learn to compete against or play with bigger kids? Does it stunt or enhance their development as lacrosse players? My point is, the only disadvantage that they face is that they may not win as much which is completely pointless in middle school anyway. The number of holdbacks is completely blown out of proportion. With the exception of crabs, teams have 3 or 4 max. That leaves 20 roster spots on all these AA teams. So what is the problem? Again I think it bruises the ego me of the parents that their kid doesn't win a championship they can brag about, or they didn't make one of these 20 available roster spots per team and they don't get to wear Crabs, FCA, etc swag.

What is the problem?? And it is all about ego?? That is your response?
This is about all Maryland youth club lacrosse and what goes on in it.This isnt a private school club world where only private school prefirst kids get the advantage. But that is where all your thinking comes from. You can tell by your constant cheerleading for these kids playing down.

You must have bought what is taught to the prefirst kids about them being the leaders of their future grade. That may be the case in the private school environment, but to the rest of Maryland it is BS. Most people including many in private schools feel getting an advantage over other children in youth sports due to being held back is wrong. Every parent does what they think is right for child when it comes to their education, but you dont get an advantage over the same age children in the public area for this.

You say what is wrong with playing older children, it makes you better and they are in your grade Right?..But you want other children to play against much older children out of their age bracket. So in grade OK..Out of age bracket Not OK..You are a Hypocrite and an apologist for holdback mentality in youth lacrosse.

How am I a hypocrite? I see no problem with my son or any other boy playing other boys a year or two older than they are. If their parents want to pay for it good for them. Why does it upset you so? You have the same option if you chose to do so. If you want to reclass your kid at a private school they will let you. We are talking about 7th and 8th grade lacrosse. Call me an apologist all you want. You constantly whining is ridiculous. I'm sorry you feel like it's only fair for your son to play against kids the exact same age as him. The travesty it must be for him to do otherwise. You must be so proud of his courage to step on the field with the other kids in his grade that are older than he is. Your constant railing about the advantage for a select few MIAA kids is a useless crusade. Get over it or tell your club you won't play til they ban holdbacks. See how that works out.

You are a hypocrite for the reasons I stated above.
Now you bring out some new straw men! I can choose to reclass my kids if I want and enjoy the advantage like other people do at the Youth level. No thanks. I have always taught my children to compete with other children like them or older. Not compete against younger children like YOU claim is ok.

I also like your BS Straw man line about how I feel like my son only needs to play against kids his own age. Who said that, Only YOU. My one son who is finished now with lacrosse played high level from a child to college. Never once did I consider him playing against YOUNGER children until HS. Then it really didn�t matter. As he went being the youngest to oldest as he went thru HS. My other is in the system now starting his HS years. He never played down against younger children. O and by way it is a MIAA school. That is why I know so much about the world of holdbacks and prefirsts. I could care less that a parent holds his child back, but this ridiculous notion of changing Club Youth lacrosse to allow only select kids to play down is terrible. It is not the way the game was meant to be played. Maybe in your world it is OK playing down but not mine.

It ceases to amaze me how people like you go on and on about us whining about holdbacks and we need to toughen our sons up, or they only want to play against their own age instead of older players,etc,etc. You along with the rest of the holdback apologists try to paint us like we are just scared to compete. When in reality it is apologists like you who are afraid to compete on a level playing field.

I don't feel the need to have my son play down. As I said, my son is on age, also at an MIAA school. I just don't think it's the worst thing in the world for him to play some older kids. I grew up playing that way. My older son went through when things were U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15 and was always playing older kids. If parents feel their son needs that, that's their decision. It doesn't really effect me. Not sure why you are so offended by it.

You are only half way correct your son played older kids every other year. The second year at U-11 or U13 your son was the older kid playing with some kids 1 and a half years younger give or take. So you need a one year system to be fair. So life does not have to be fair but people should try to make thing close to fair as possible when dealing with kids.

My point is, grade based is new. It was never single age. So why is everyone up in arms about kids having to play older kids? THey always have.

BECAUSE YOU NEVER HAD TEAMS GAMING THE SYSTEM AND PUTTING 16 YEAR OLDS ON THE FIELD WITH 13 YEAR OLDS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's I "couldn't" care less.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BECAUSE YOU NEVER HAD TEAMS GAMING THE SYSTEM AND PUTTING 16 YEAR OLDS ON THE FIELD WITH 13 YEAR OLDS.

So when the system was setup to have 15 yr okra playing with 13 year old that was ok? I guarantee you on average the age spread between kids is less now than it's ever been.

If you were 16 and post puberty you were done with youth lacrosse. Not in this bizarro arrangement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My point is, grade based is new. It was never single age. So why is everyone up in arms about kids having to play older kids? THey always have.

Are you really that dense?? grade base is new so what? A single year would be new also?? A single year would have been the right way to do a new lacrosse league or grade with age restrictions.
The lame argument again about kids have always played older kids.
So from that lame argument you get , why not let all the prefirst/holdback kids be the oldest and playdown?? Why Not! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My point is, grade based is new. It was never single age. So why is everyone up in arms about kids having to play older kids? THey always have.

Are you really that dense?? grade base is new so what? A single year would be new also?? A single year would have been the right way to do a new lacrosse league or grade with age restrictions.
The lame argument again about kids have always played older kids.
So from that lame argument you get , why not let all the prefirst/holdback kids be the oldest and playdown?? Why Not! LOL

Single age is the best setup says who? I just don't get it and my son in on age. Who cares if there are kids older than him? He's not getting recruited in 7th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My point is, grade based is new. It was never single age. So why is everyone up in arms about kids having to play older kids? THey always have.

Are you really that dense?? grade base is new so what? A single year would be new also?? A single year would have been the right way to do a new lacrosse league or grade with age restrictions.
The lame argument again about kids have always played older kids.
So from that lame argument you get , why not let all the prefirst/holdback kids be the oldest and playdown?? Why Not! LOL

Single age is the best setup says who? I just don't get it and my son in on age. Who cares if there are kids older than him? He's not getting recruited in 7th grade.

Looking at other youth sports and using some common sense. I got that from US Soccer who has 3 million registered players,over 200 million worldwide, Single Year birthday!The horror of Soccer!! US Hockey who has over half million registered players, Baseball Several governing bodies several million playing, football several orgs. Several million players,etc.
None of these much larger organizations allow kids to play down unless there is some very good reason. Not he was held back in kindergarten so shouldn't he get an advantage ??

But HOCO and the holdback people like you know what is better for our youth lacrosse players. Grade base teams with children allowed to play down. Or as you apologists like to say. Why do you care if you play against older children who are playing down. But I never hear the part about the older kids are playing down, just why do you care about playing older children.

You are the dense one! Do you people not realize that in other parts of the country the sport of lacrosse is not as popular as it is in MD or LI . States where the sport is just catching on couldn't possibly field multiple teams for a rec league or a local travel club team without combining years i.e. U9, u11 etc. You simple can't compare lacrosse to soccer or basketball because the participation is just not there yet. There is always going to be a age differences. As far as isolated examples of 16 yr olds vs 13 yr olds... you combine the arrival of the 8th grade and growth spurts for some with the unfortunate early recruiting process and it's obvious why already talented players choose to try and secure a roster spot. Most if not all these players have stood out and played up for years and now it's time for the decision makers on the sidelines to watch these boys compete against kids in the same high school graduating year. If you have the means and you believe your son actually has a shot to play at the next Level knock yourself out parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are the dense one! Do you people not realize that in other parts of the country the sport of lacrosse is not as popular as it is in MD or LI . States where the sport is just catching on couldn't possibly field multiple teams for a rec league or a local travel club team without combining years i.e. U9, u11 etc. You simple can't compare lacrosse to soccer or basketball because the participation is just not there yet. There is always going to be a age differences. As far as isolated examples of 16 yr olds vs 13 yr olds... you combine the arrival of the 8th grade and growth spurts for some with the unfortunate early recruiting process and it's obvious why already talented players choose to try and secure a roster spot. Most if not all these players have stood out and played up for years and now it's time for the decision makers on the sidelines to watch these boys compete against kids in the same high school graduating year. If you have the means and you believe your son actually has a shot to play at the next Level knock yourself out parents.

Do you actually believe what you write??
What does how many participate have to do with grade base or age base teams?? So what if it is two year with lacrosse and one year with other sports?

One year when you are younger you play A if good enough, the next year you are oldest and play A if good player. No one complained about that. And that is how it is in many parts of country now that doesn't have this holdback mentality.

Where are all these players playing up?? What are you talking about? Flat out BS. In two year structure they play up first year, next year they are oldest. And what does that have to do with grade base vs age base, besides once again proving age base is the fairest way to play Youth sports.

just because 8th grade is before HS doesnt mean all youth sports needs to be grade base and let holdbacks play down?? Why do we need to let players play down in 4th grade??? What reason could their be??? The last 50 years it seems we didnt have a problem..But now we do?? WE need to let little Johnny play with his grade even tho he is older?? Little Johnny can get his advantage on his school teams, not youth level,

No reclassed player plays up. Complete nonsense.

Bottom line. Hoco's top divisions are the best leagues in the country played by the rules the clubs wish to play by. Please whine somewhere else. Please play a club or rec team that uses the rules you prefer instead of constantly crying.

You must be a Crabs parent. How many 16 year olds on your 8th grade 2020 team? [lacrosse] many kids who will be 16 by the end of the year on your 2020 team? How many kids on your 2020 team will be in your 2021 team next year.

You won't answer because it's too damn embarrassing,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Crabs parent. How many 16 year olds on your 8th grade 2020 team? [lacrosse] many kids who will be 16 by the end of the year on your 2020 team? How many kids on your 2020 team will be in your 2021 team next year.

You won't answer because it's too damn embarrassing,

You are completely correct, the meathead parents of the holdbacks won't answer, never will, but they pound their chest when the see their big players on the field pushing around 13 year olds. They actually think their holdbacks are good lacrosse players. They aren't, I have seen Crabs 2020 team play at least 4 times this year. The only good players are the goalies, the rest of the holdbacks are just that, big oversized 15/16 year old 8th graders, but at most, and I mean AT MOST they are just average lacrosse players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Crabs parent. How many 16 year olds on your 8th grade 2020 team? [lacrosse] many kids who will be 16 by the end of the year on your 2020 team? How many kids on your 2020 team will be in your 2021 team next year.

You won't answer because it's too damn embarrassing,

Here's your tissue....

Like a poster pointed out few days ago. Meat head holdback parent will watch his holdback player secure an early roster spot which will ultimately get him in with the good ol boys lacrosse club and land him a top job while you, your wife and your son all sit around whining about it to each other as you watch the recruiting train go bye. We are all laughing at all of you boneheads who continue to complain. hahahah

My kid is on age and is committed to an Ivy. Sorry pal - not everyone has to cheat to make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on age and is committed to an Ivy. Sorry pal - not everyone has to cheat to make it.

Actually most kids don't have to cheat- only the ones that need to, do so! No recruiting train passing by all the talented kids I know- in fact- they're doing better than their older counter parts that were left back- academically and athletically. Congrats to your kid- obviously he has what it takes and didn't need a helping hand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bottom line. Hoco's top divisions are the best leagues in the country played by the rules the clubs wish to play by. Please whine somewhere else. Please play a club or rec team that uses the rules you prefer instead of constantly crying.

Thank you HoCo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like a poster pointed out few days ago. Meat head holdback parent will watch his holdback player secure an early roster spot which will ultimately get him in with the good ol boys lacrosse club and land him a top job while you, your wife and your son all sit around whining about it to each other as you watch the recruiting train go bye. We are all laughing at all of you boneheads who continue to complain. hahahah

I am very sad for you/your son. If your goals for him are "getting in with the good old boys so they can help him get a job"!! Seriously, you may want to re-evaluate his life goals. Wow

Second that - maybe they can get a job with one of Bernie Madoff's sons...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like a poster pointed out few days ago. Meat head holdback parent will watch his holdback player secure an early roster spot which will ultimately get him in with the good ol boys lacrosse club and land him a top job while you, your wife and your son all sit around whining about it to each other as you watch the recruiting train go bye. We are all laughing at all of you boneheads who continue to complain. hahahah

I am very sad for you/your son. If your goals for him are "getting in with the good old boys so they can help him get a job"!! Seriously, you may want to re-evaluate his life goals. Wow

I'm real sorry for your son, that you come to an anonymous forumn and get offended and cry foul when someone is messing with you... Get a life you big sissy

Crab parents are such special people. The embodiment of everything wrong with youth lacrosse

Those numbers r not true. Crabs do cheat it's no secret. A kid named Wilson from Texas flew in to play on Crabs 2020 team in the Crab Feast Tournament. BL also encourages kids to "fail" when coming coming from another school. Poor sucker these clown parents fail their kids and think it's good for them. It's cheating and they r doing it to gain advantage over their peers. They must have Napolean syndrome hoping there kid will be bigger and smarter to get ahead!! BL stands for Big Liars!!! The scores listed are wrong for Crabs. 2020-2023 all lost more games than listed. They r no better than any other club and now they r going downhill with the age change. They will find a way to cheat and keep bragging about the wins and never produce graduating years to show even playing ground. Or pay in NonSanctionec age based tourn. The Parents justify their decisions by seeking an IVY school or hopes of a free ride, but they will have spent $175,00 to get there!!! Makes no sense!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those numbers r not true. Crabs do cheat it's no secret. A kid named Wilson from Texas flew in to play on Crabs 2020 team in the Crab Feast Tournament. BL also encourages kids to "fail" when coming coming from another school. Poor sucker these clown parents fail their kids and think it's good for them. It's cheating and they r doing it to gain advantage over their peers. They must have Napolean syndrome hoping there kid will be bigger and smarter to get ahead!! BL stands for Big Liars!!! The scores listed are wrong for Crabs. 2020-2023 all lost more games than listed. They r no better than any other club and now they r going downhill with the age change. They will find a way to cheat and keep bragging about the wins and never produce graduating years to show even playing ground. Or pay in NonSanctionec age based tourn. The Parents justify their decisions by seeking an IVY school or hopes of a free ride, but they will have spent $175,00 to get there!!! Makes no sense!

Just to clear up one thing, they do not have to fail any classes to reclass. In private school settings its up to the parents if they want to hold the child back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those numbers r not true. Crabs do cheat it's no secret. A kid named Wilson from Texas flew in to play on Crabs 2020 team in the Crab Feast Tournament. BL also encourages kids to "fail" when coming coming from another school. Poor sucker these clown parents fail their kids and think it's good for them. It's cheating and they r doing it to gain advantage over their peers. They must have Napolean syndrome hoping there kid will be bigger and smarter to get ahead!! BL stands for Big Liars!!! The scores listed are wrong for Crabs. 2020-2023 all lost more games than listed. They r no better than any other club and now they r going downhill with the age change. They will find a way to cheat and keep bragging about the wins and never produce graduating years to show even playing ground. Or pay in NonSanctionec age based tourn. The Parents justify their decisions by seeking an IVY school or hopes of a free ride, but they will have spent $175,00 to get there!!! Makes no sense!

This is the most asinine post I've ever seen. Kids aren't failing to repeat grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those numbers r not true. Crabs do cheat it's no secret. A kid named Wilson from Texas flew in to play on Crabs 2020 team in the Crab Feast Tournament. BL also encourages kids to "fail" when coming coming from another school. Poor sucker these clown parents fail their kids and think it's good for them. It's cheating and they r doing it to gain advantage over their peers. They must have Napolean syndrome hoping there kid will be bigger and smarter to get ahead!! BL stands for Big Liars!!! The scores listed are wrong for Crabs. 2020-2023 all lost more games than listed. They r no better than any other club and now they r going downhill with the age change. They will find a way to cheat and keep bragging about the wins and never produce graduating years to show even playing ground. Or pay in NonSanctionec age based tourn. The Parents justify their decisions by seeking an IVY school or hopes of a free ride, but they will have spent $175,00 to get there!!! Makes no sense!

This is the most asinine post I've ever seen. Kids aren't failing to repeat grades.

Proper way should have been " BL also encourages kids to repeat a grade " when coming coming from another school. ..You know become a holdback. It always amazes me how everyone raves about the MIAA. They should be the best in Md HS lacrosse as many players should be college Freshman, along with other factors

Tryouts are coming up for next season and starting next week and going throughout August.

Here are the HoCo clubs and the general level of play (AA, A, B)

Anne Arundel County
AA
Diamondbacks
Hawks
B
Peninsula (PLC)
Rockfish
Sidewinders
Snappers
Swarm
Wild

Baltimore City � North / Towson
AA
Crabs
FCA
Team 91 MD
A
Koopers
Rock
B
Breakers
Coppermine
Greene Turtle
Lax World
Looneys
Team 42
Wolfpack

West Baltimore County
B
Bitmore

Calvert County
AA
Cannons

Carroll County
B
Gonzo

Fairfax County (VA)
A
VLC
B
Cavalier

Frederick County
A
Lax Factory

Harford County
A
Thunder
B
Starz

Howard County
AA
Rough Riders
A
HoCo
B
Zingos

Loudon County (VA)
AA
3D

Montgomery County � North
B
Xtreme

Montgomery County - West
AA
Bethesda
Madlax
A
Club Blue
Next Level
B
Performance Knights

Queen Anne�s County
AA
Storm
B
Triple Threat

Talbot County
B
Dark Horse

Washington County
A
Lion Heart

great list!

Except the Xtreme folks are going to come one here and rant that they are a AA club - especially the delusional 2020 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are coming up for next season and starting next week and going throughout August.

Here are the HoCo clubs and the general level of play (AA, A, B)

Anne Arundel County
AA
Diamondbacks
Hawks
B
Peninsula (PLC)
Rockfish
Sidewinders
Snappers
Swarm
Wild

Baltimore City � North / Towson
AA
Crabs
FCA
Team 91 MD
A
Koopers
Rock
B
Breakers
Coppermine
Greene Turtle
Lax World
Looneys
Team 42
Wolfpack

West Baltimore County
B
Bitmore

Calvert County
AA
Cannons

Carroll County
B
Gonzo

Fairfax County (VA)
A
VLC
B
Cavalier

Frederick County
A
Lax Factory

Harford County
A
Thunder
B
Starz

Howard County
AA
Rough Riders
A
HoCo
B
Zingos

Loudon County (VA)
AA
3D

Montgomery County � North
B
Xtreme

Montgomery County - West
AA
Bethesda
Madlax
A
Club Blue
Next Level
B
Performance Knights

Queen Anne�s County
AA
Storm
B
Triple Threat

Talbot County
B
Dark Horse

Washington County
A
Lion Heart

Well for VA Loundon Co.
The 3D team is a A to high B team for sure. I also would say Cavs are Loundon not Fairfax team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like a poster pointed out few days ago. Meat head holdback parent will watch his holdback player secure an early roster spot which will ultimately get him in with the good ol boys lacrosse club and land him a top job while you, your wife and your son all sit around whining about it to each other as you watch the recruiting train go bye. We are all laughing at all of you boneheads who continue to complain. hahahah

I feel sorry for your son...and your wife.

In what world are Koopers and Rock AA teams but Looneys is a B team ? Except for Koopers 2021, they have not 1 strong team and Rock...they havent been relevant in years.

Clearly someone who doesn't know the DC area. Madlax is not a Montgomery County team. Very kids from that area. 3d is not an AA team. Several other mistakes too.

You are obviously a myopic dad with little perspective. Nobody would call Rock a better club than Breakers, let alone labeling Rock as A and Breakers B.

Stick to mowing your lawn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly someone who doesn't know the DC area. Madlax is not a Montgomery County team. Very kids from that area. 3d is not an AA team. Several other mistakes too.

You are obviously a myopic dad with little perspective. Nobody would call Rock a better club than Breakers, let alone labeling Rock as A and Breakers B.

Stick to mowing your lawn.

Little harsh there Francis, A true perfect list would have each year 2021, 2020,etc team with its AA,A,etc status..That list would be huge!.. A few mistakes here and there but a decent list. Now Francis if you dont like it..whats yours?

Here is where they registered their top teams last year for ages 2021 and younger at the different levels. (they may have played up or down, but this is where they put themselves)

Koopers - 1 AA, 1 A, 2 B
3D - 1 AA, 1 A
Rock - 3 A
Xtreme - 3 B
Looneys - 4 AA, 1 B
Breakers - 1 A, 1 B
Diamondbacks - 3 AA, 2 A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are coming up for next season and starting next week and going throughout August.

Here are the HoCo clubs and the general level of play (AA, A, B)

Anne Arundel County
AA
Diamondbacks
Hawks
B
Peninsula (PLC)
Rockfish
Sidewinders
Snappers
Swarm
Wild

Baltimore City � North / Towson
AA
Crabs
FCA
Team 91 MD
A
Koopers
Rock
B
Breakers
Coppermine
Greene Turtle
Lax World
Looneys
Team 42
Wolfpack

West Baltimore County
B
Bitmore

Calvert County
AA
Cannons

Carroll County
B
Gonzo

Fairfax County (VA)
A
VLC
B
Cavalier

Frederick County
A
Lax Factory

Harford County
A
Thunder
B
Starz

Howard County
AA
Rough Riders
A
HoCo
B
Zingos

Loudon County (VA)
AA
3D

Montgomery County � North
B
Xtreme

Montgomery County - West
AA
Bethesda
Madlax
A
Club Blue
Next Level
B
Performance Knights

Queen Anne�s County
AA
Storm
B
Triple Threat

Talbot County
B
Dark Horse

Washington County
A
Lion Heart

Well for VA Loundon Co.
The 3D team is a A to high B team for sure. I also would say Cavs are Loundon not Fairfax team

2 of the AAco teams have a B team. Hawks have a B team that plays in A, API has a B team that plays in HOCO B,

Diamondbacks is not AA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamondbacks is not AA

2021 2022 teams are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In what world are Koopers and Rock AA teams but Looneys is a B team ? Except for Koopers 2021, they have not 1 strong team and Rock...they havent been relevant in years.

In their daddy's worlds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well for VA Loundon Co.
The 3D team is a A to high B team for sure.

3d has a decent 2021 team. Rest of the club is garbage. Definitely in the B category overall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamondbacks is not AA

2021 2022 teams are.

And with the API facilities to train in, they will be great at all ages very soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In what world are Koopers and Rock AA teams but Looneys is a B team ? Except for Koopers 2021, they have not 1 strong team and Rock...they havent been relevant in years.

In their daddy's worlds.

Koopers and Rock are shown a single A - accurate. Looneys shown be shown as AA.

Child, please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Child, please

Please what, daddy???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamondbacks is not AA

2021 2022 teams are.

And with the API facilities to train in, they will be great at all ages very soon.

Child, please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Child, please

Please what, daddy???

sorry, was referring to the quote about the great API statement, i was laughing so hard, I just hit reply instead of quoting text

Why would anyone waste their time with Gonzo? They can barely be good rec teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Child, please

Please what, daddy???

sorry, was referring to the quote about the great API statement, i was laughing so hard, I just hit reply instead of quoting text

LOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would anyone waste their time with Gonzo? They can barely be good rec teams?

What happened? Son get cut from Gonzo??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would anyone waste their time with Gonzo? They can barely be good rec teams?

What happened? Son get cut from Gonzo??

It's just a list showing how far you need to travel for each level when selecting a club team. All teams included - not just the ones you think are worthy.

2017 Schedules are out. Predictions for each division?

2023 1 team goes 6-0, 3 teams go 5-1, and 1 team goes 4-2. The rest have losing records

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

In 2023 its a four team race Crabs Next level(Looney's best friend)club blue and BLC no particular order good luck to all

2023 Hawks will make some noise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Schedules are out. Predictions for each division?

Predictions?

I predict... pain

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

Nobody cares about girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

Nobody cares about girls lacrosse.

except for the girls playing and the parents of the girls playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Schedules are out. Predictions for each division?

Predictions?

I predict... pain

What a dumb comment/post. Is that what you are hoping for? If it is you are a pathetic individual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

Nobody cares about girls lacrosse.

That's not what your Mom told me last night .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

Nobody cares about girls lacrosse.

That's not what your Mom told me last night .

Wonder what your wife does with the boys she entertains at home while you are at work? You know it is illegal and she will go to jail if caught.
Why do you find it necessary to lower the level and make comments about a kids mother, does it make you feel like a big man? The comment about your wife is to show you how low it can get and this is not what is needed on this board. Keep it about lacrosse. Or maybe your son would do better playing for a girls team, one never knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Schedules are out. Predictions for each division?

Predictions?

I predict... pain

What a dumb comment/post. Is that what you are hoping for? If it is you are a pathetic individual.

That's a movie quote (I think one of the Rocky's) - I assume it was an attempt at humor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

Nobody cares about girls lacrosse.

That's not what your Mom told me last night .

Wonder what your wife does with the boys she entertains at home while you are at work? You know it is illegal and she will go to jail if caught.
Why do you find it necessary to lower the level and make comments about a kids mother, does it make you feel like a big man? The comment about your wife is to show you how low it can get and this is not what is needed on this board. Keep it about lacrosse. Or maybe your son would do better playing for a girls team, one never knows.

Says the big man who is too tough for girls lacrosse. So glad you taught me a lesson. Look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Schedules are out. Predictions for each division?

Here is who won last year - any repeat performances?
2021 - Crabs
2022 - Hawks
2023 - Bethesda
2024 - Madlax
2025 - T9-1MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Schedules are out. Predictions for each division?

Predictions?

I predict... pain

What a dumb comment/post. Is that what you are hoping for? If it is you are a pathetic individual.

Dude you need thicker skin than that... You might want to go to a tamer forum if you can't handle that....Unless your family has 2 Dad's, then I can see why you would respond like that....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Schedules are out. Predictions for each division?

Predictions?

I predict... pain

What a dumb comment/post. Is that what you are hoping for? If it is you are a pathetic individual.

Dude you need thicker skin than that... You might want to go to a tamer forum if you can't handle that....Unless your family has 2 Dad's, then I can see why you would respond like that....

Dude? Really, Dude. Good grief how old are you 11 or 12. No, not 2 dads in my family, but it just goes to show the low life you are depicting yourself as to even mention something like that. Way out of line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

Nobody cares about girls lacrosse.

That's not what your Mom told me last night .

Wonder what your wife does with the boys she entertains at home while you are at work? You know it is illegal and she will go to jail if caught.
Why do you find it necessary to lower the level and make comments about a kids mother, does it make you feel like a big man? The comment about your wife is to show you how low it can get and this is not what is needed on this board. Keep it about lacrosse. Or maybe your son would do better playing for a girls team, one never knows.

Says the big man who is too tough for girls lacrosse. So glad you taught me a lesson. Look in the mirror.

When I look in the mirror I see an honest person. When you look at yourself I'm sure you see an a hole who is out to be mr tough guy, the big lacrosse dad who has all the answers.

2021 - Crabs. The G.T. attackman and Hawks goalie from last year are now with Crabs. HoCo season will only be a speed bump for this juggernaut......of high school aged players!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros mnd and sky walkers. Same as always

Nobody cares about girls lacrosse.

That's not what your Mom told me last night .

Wonder what your wife does with the boys she entertains at home while you are at work? You know it is illegal and she will go to jail if caught.
Why do you find it necessary to lower the level and make comments about a kids mother, does it make you feel like a big man? The comment about your wife is to show you how low it can get and this is not what is needed on this board. Keep it about lacrosse. Or maybe your son would do better playing for a girls team, one never knows.

Says the big man who is too tough for girls lacrosse. So glad you taught me a lesson. Look in the mirror.

When I look in the mirror I see an honest person. When you look at yourself I'm sure you see an a hole who is out to be mr tough guy, the big lacrosse dad who has all the answers.

Get a room.

Says the big man who is too tough for girls lacrosse. So glad you taught me a lesson. Look in the mirror.
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When I look in the mirror I see an honest person. When you look at yourself I'm sure you see an a hole who is out to be mr tough guy, the big lacrosse dad who has all the answers.
[/quote]

Get a room.[/quote]

Can't, your wife has them all booked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the big man who is too tough for girls lacrosse. So glad you taught me a lesson. Look in the mirror.

When I look in the mirror I see an honest person. When you look at yourself I'm sure you see an a hole who is out to be mr tough guy, the big lacrosse dad who has all the answers.
[/quote]

Get a room.[/quote]

Can't, your wife has them all booked.
[/quote]

That's all you can come up with? Pathetic, dude.

Any top notch goalies or faceoff guys in 2023 or 2022?

All goalies are top notch takes balls to play that position. Toughest position in any sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any top notch goalies or faceoff guys in 2023 or 2022?

Yes, my son. He is the face off guy and goalie for his team. The amazing thing, he wears his goalie gear and uses his goalie stick during face off's. After gaining possession, he sprints down to play goal. Forgot to mention he plays up, so he does this for both his 22 and 23 team. We are so proud of him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any top notch goalies or faceoff guys in 2023 or 2022?

Yes, my son. He is the face off guy and goalie for his team. The amazing thing, he wears his goalie gear and uses his goalie stick during face off's. After gaining possession, he sprints down to play goal. Forgot to mention he plays up, so he does this for both his 22 and 23 team. We are so proud of him.

That is too funny; nice post!!

I have seen some really good lacrosse at this level at both 2022 and 2023; I have sons that play in both age brackets. I saw some real nice goaltending with Lax Factory in 2022 AA; very quick and clears the ball well and Koopers FO kid against VLC was exceptional! In 2023 Crabs in dominating everyone and has some talent in between the pipes for sure; Team 91 2023 has a very good FO kid as does the Hawks at this level. I wish there were some names on these jerseys so these kids could get some recognition!! LOL

This is a good question for the color commentary reporters for the 2022's. The ones that watch every game every week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any top notch goalies or faceoff guys in 2023 or 2022?

FCA had a FO guy that was really strong against Crabs last week. Think it was #6. He made the game pretty interesting in the 4th qtr.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA had a FO guy that was really strong against Crabs last week. Think it was #6. He made the game pretty interesting in the 4th qtr.

I saw the final score of that game and it appears FCA gave them a run for their money; looks like FCA put a nice team together this year to compete with Crabs. I actually caught some of the FCA/Team 91 game; FCA destroyed them but the FO kid for Team 91 was definitely a bright spot for them. He won most of the draws. Next Level has a very good FO kid as well; big and fast.

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA had a FO guy that was really strong against Crabs last week. Think it was #6. He made the game pretty interesting in the 4th qtr.

I saw the final score of that game and it appears FCA gave them a run for their money; looks like FCA put a nice team together this year to compete with Crabs. I actually caught some of the FCA/Team 91 game; FCA destroyed them but the FO kid for Team 91 was definitely a bright spot for them. He won most of the draws. Next Level has a very good FO kid as well; big and fast.

Seriously FCA Dad?? Are you really going to come on hear and pump up your own kid up.... Get real.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

Oh now here comes the Looneys Dad's.....If you have to pump up your kids on this site then they might not be that good.... Give me a break

No dad here...just pointing out good players..obviously you don't know about him..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

Oh now here comes the Looneys Dad's.....If you have to pump up your kids on this site then they might not be that good.... Give me a break

LOL....definitely a Looney's dad......too funny with the self promotion of an 11/12 year old. What has happened to youth sports!!!???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Don't count out Koopers.

What Koopers team? One of their older teams appeared to have their hands full this morning at Blandair.

Koopers 2019 may be the best team in the entire area! NPYLL teams (including Crabs) hiding from them.

You got that Right!

FCA 2019 18
Koopers 2019 2

Koopers 2019 hasn't played FCA. These are sophmores, they don't play HOCO league anymore.

Sounds like a Team 91 dad too me...blind..

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Not sure what this is in reference to, but I attend a lot of games with 2 boys playing in the HOCO League. Final score doesn't necessarily tell you about some of the individual battles going on all over the field. Pointing simply to the score is someone that doesn't understand the game of lacrosse and is on here with an agenda. Some parents will never learn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

"You wasn't at the game"......oh these poor kids!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a Team 91 dad too me...blind..

Actually a Crabs Dad and Proud of it!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Must have been learning subjunctives that day

They are 6th graders.... relax!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a Team 91 dad too me...blind..

Actually a Crabs Dad and Proud of it!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a Team 91 dad too me...blind..

Actually a Crabs Dad and Proud of it!!!

It figures..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Not sure what this is in reference to, but I attend a lot of games with 2 boys playing in the HOCO League. Final score doesn't necessarily tell you about some of the individual battles going on all over the field. Pointing simply to the score is someone that doesn't understand the game of lacrosse and is on here with an agenda. Some parents will never learn

Like I said before you obviously wasn't at the game to make a dumb comment on I attend all game. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and
team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Like said before you wasn't at the game..Looneys only use 2 Face off guys...I was only giving credit where credit is due and you turn this into a circus..I no more about LAX than what you think..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a Team 91 dad too me...blind..

Actually a Crabs Dad and Proud of it!!!

Wow...and that makes you special...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Not sure what this is in reference to, but I attend a lot of games with 2 boys playing in the HOCO League. Final score doesn't necessarily tell you about some of the individual battles going on all over the field. Pointing simply to the score is someone that doesn't understand the game of lacrosse and is on here with an agenda. Some parents will never learn

Like I said before you obviously wasn't at the game to make a dumb comment on I attend all game. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and
team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Like said before you wasn't at the game..Looneys only use 2 Face off guys...I was only giving credit where credit is due and you turn this into a circus..I no more about LAX than what you think..

I never said I was at ALL lacrosse games but I did say ALOT. Regardless of how many Looney's used they surely didn't dominate at the Circle based on what I saw. And let's be honest neither of those teams could hold a candle to the Crabs 2023 at any position on the field. Crabs playing looneys would be a circus; you are right!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Not sure what this is in reference to, but I attend a lot of games with 2 boys playing in the HOCO League. Final score doesn't necessarily tell you about some of the individual battles going on all over the field. Pointing simply to the score is someone that doesn't understand the game of lacrosse and is on here with an agenda. Some parents will never learn

Like I said before you obviously wasn't at the game to make a dumb comment on I attend all game. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and
team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Like said before you wasn't at the game..Looneys only use 2 Face off guys...I was only giving credit where credit is due and you turn this into a circus..I no more about LAX than what you think..

I never said I was at ALL lacrosse games but I did say ALOT. Regardless of how many Looney's used they surely didn't dominate at the Circle based on what I saw. And let's be honest neither of those teams could hold a candle to the Crabs 2023 at any position on the field. Crabs playing looneys would be a circus; you are right!!

Just like they rolled FCA...Right!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Not sure what this is in reference to, but I attend a lot of games with 2 boys playing in the HOCO League. Final score doesn't necessarily tell you about some of the individual battles going on all over the field. Pointing simply to the score is someone that doesn't understand the game of lacrosse and is on here with an agenda. Some parents will never learn

Like I said before you obviously wasn't at the game to make a dumb comment on I attend all game. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and
team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Like said before you wasn't at the game..Looneys only use 2 Face off guys...I was only giving credit where credit is due and you turn this into a circus..I no more about LAX than what you think..

I never said I was at ALL lacrosse games but I did say ALOT. Regardless of how many Looney's used they surely didn't dominate at the Circle based on what I saw. And let's be honest neither of those teams could hold a candle to the Crabs 2023 at any position on the field. Crabs playing looneys would be a circus; you are right!!

Just like they rolled FCA...Right!!

FCA played well and definitely improved; must be the YELLOW helmet additions that are helping them out. Amazing how the casts offs on FCA and Looney's and Team 91 etc can help a team but weren't be good enough to make Crabs this year. That's says a lot about the programs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you wasn't at the game..the final score tells it all..

Not sure what this is in reference to, but I attend a lot of games with 2 boys playing in the HOCO League. Final score doesn't necessarily tell you about some of the individual battles going on all over the field. Pointing simply to the score is someone that doesn't understand the game of lacrosse and is on here with an agenda. Some parents will never learn

Like I said before you obviously wasn't at the game to make a dumb comment on I attend all game. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You failed too mention Looneys 2023 has a Face off guy who dominated Club Blue and
team 91

C'mon Looney's Dad I don't know what game you were watching but that Looney's duo did well against Club Blue but the kid on Team 91 got the best of both of them; I don't think I saw anyone else on Team 91 taking a draw in that game and he battled in the circle with both; might have been 3 of them form Looney's, that entire game. Those are the kind of kids I love to watch play......all heart!

Also Keep an eye on #24 from Crabs; attackman, and number 2 another attackman on FCA. The crabs kid may be the best player in 2023.

Like said before you wasn't at the game..Looneys only use 2 Face off guys...I was only giving credit where credit is due and you turn this into a circus..I no more about LAX than what you think..

I never said I was at ALL lacrosse games but I did say ALOT. Regardless of how many Looney's used they surely didn't dominate at the Circle based on what I saw. And let's be honest neither of those teams could hold a candle to the Crabs 2023 at any position on the field. Crabs playing looneys would be a circus; you are right!!

Just like they rolled FCA...Right!!

FCA played well and definitely improved; must be the YELLOW helmet additions that are helping them out. Amazing how the casts offs on FCA and Looney's and Team 91 etc can help a team but weren't be good enough to make Crabs this year. That's says a lot about the programs

Crabs was out coached not out played....

it says the YELLOW helmets had too many 7th graders on their team, so the true 6th graders had to go play somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it says the YELLOW helmets had too many 7th graders on their team, so the true 6th graders had to go play somewhere else.

That's funny!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it says the YELLOW helmets had too many 7th graders on their team, so the true 6th graders had to go play somewhere else.

Haha that's always the excuse when we beat other teams. I will simply say that there is a reason why those kids are no longer playing with Crabs and it has nothing to do with age but has everything to do with talent and work ethic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it says the YELLOW helmets had too many 7th graders on their team, so the true 6th graders had to go play somewhere else.

That's funny!!

And true!!!

"We"? What position do you play for Crabs? As for "for talent and work ethic", unless your kid is the assistant coach's son, your kid is no safer then those you disparage. Another year, another 5 or so replaced.

Ask a Crabs parent how old their kid is and they will tell you his graduation year. Playing older kids in order to beat younger kids is nothing to be proud about.

Those yellow helmets represent everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse - money grubbing club owner who never played the game who sells the dream of D1 glory an a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Disgusting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ask a Crabs parent how old their kid is and they will tell you his graduation year. Playing older kids in order to beat younger kids is nothing to be proud about.

Those yellow helmets represent everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse - money grubbing club owner who never played the game who sells the dream of D1 glory an a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Disgusting.

Which clubs cut kids from tryouts because they did prefirst or repeated a grade? Right, none.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ask a Crabs parent how old their kid is and they will tell you his graduation year. Playing older kids in order to beat younger kids is nothing to be proud about.

Those yellow helmets represent everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse - money grubbing club owner who never played the game who sells the dream of D1 glory an a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Disgusting.

Which clubs cut kids from tryouts because they did prefirst or repeated a grade? Right, none.

which club tells parents their son should stay back a grade to play for their club? that's right, Crabs!

First. has your so be played for a crabs team? Second, if so, are you saying on this forum that someone from Crabs told your son to repeat a grade to save his spot on the team?

Knowing the distraction police will converge: has your son played for a crabs team (for a season, not the phony thing flat brim does in the summer); and has a crabs representative asked that your son repeat a grade? I say no way that has happened.

I wouldn't let my kid go near that organization. Owner is a loud mouth.

Your a complete fool if you think RM doesn't encourage kids to reclass. Look how the rosters have had multiple kids suddenly move from one team to younger team at the end of a school year OR in the case of beach lax vs 91 they did it before the school year ended. The whole Baltimore based club scene thrives off this holdback nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Knowing the distraction police will converge: has your son played for a crabs team (for a season, not the phony thing flat brim does in the summer); and has a crabs representative asked that your son repeat a grade? I say no way that has happened.

absolutely happened, kids asked to repeat 8th

This is the dumbest discussion. Maybe RM does what you say, maybe he does not; but those parents, not me, must, decide to have a son repeat a grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Knowing the distraction police will converge: has your son played for a crabs team (for a season, not the phony thing flat brim does in the summer); and has a crabs representative asked that your son repeat a grade? I say no way that has happened.

absolutely happened, kids asked to repeat 8th

A parent of a former 2020 Crab player told me that they were told by the coaches that their son couldn't stay with the Crabs but he would have to repeat a grade and move to the 2021 team. Now, maybe that parent was lying, but this is what they told me. They also said the reason was there were kids joining the 2020 team that had previously been on their 2019 team. That is pure craziness, people repeating a grade just to look better than they are in youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Knowing the distraction police will converge: has your son played for a crabs team (for a season, not the phony thing flat brim does in the summer); and has a crabs representative asked that your son repeat a grade? I say no way that has happened.

absolutely happened, kids asked to repeat 8th

A parent of a former 2020 Crab player told me that they were told by the coaches that their son couldn't stay with the Crabs but he would have to repeat a grade and move to the 2021 team. Now, maybe that parent was lying, but this is what they told me. They also said the reason was there were kids joining the 2020 team that had previously been on their 2019 team. That is pure craziness, people repeating a grade just to look better than they are in youth lacrosse.

the year Crabs 2020 beat 91 Crush at the Beach Lax final, there were about 5 kids from the 2019 team who came down and played that day. When 8th grade finishes school that's when they can reclass and switch teams.

Crabs coaches have most definitely encouraged families to reclass their kid.

I agree that ultimately it is the parents decision to reclass their kid. However, when the club coach tells you your kid is not going to make the team and won't get the attention of college coaches - BUT - would absolutely get an offer from UNC, Hopkins, etc. if he repeated a grade -THAT is on club owner - and THAT is what the Crabs are about. Selling the dream and damaging youth lacrosse at the same time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Knowing the distraction police will converge: has your son played for a crabs team (for a season, not the phony thing flat brim does in the summer); and has a crabs representative asked that your son repeat a grade? I say no way that has happened.

absolutely happened, kids asked to repeat 8th

A parent of a former 2020 Crab player told me that they were told by the coaches that their son couldn't stay with the Crabs but he would have to repeat a grade and move to the 2021 team. Now, maybe that parent was lying, but this is what they told me. They also said the reason was there were kids joining the 2020 team that had previously been on their 2019 team. That is pure craziness, people repeating a grade just to look better than they are in youth lacrosse.

the year Crabs 2020 beat 91 Crush at the Beach Lax final, there were about 5 kids from the 2019 team who came down and played that day. When 8th grade finishes school that's when they can reclass and switch teams.

Crabs coaches have most definitely encouraged families to reclass their kid.

The fact that any of you are surprised by this is laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Knowing the distraction police will converge: has your son played for a crabs team (for a season, not the phony thing flat brim does in the summer); and has a crabs representative asked that your son repeat a grade? I say no way that has happened.

absolutely happened, kids asked to repeat 8th

A parent of a former 2020 Crab player told me that they were told by the coaches that their son couldn't stay with the Crabs but he would have to repeat a grade and move to the 2021 team. Now, maybe that parent was lying, but this is what they told me. They also said the reason was there were kids joining the 2020 team that had previously been on their 2019 team. That is pure craziness, people repeating a grade just to look better than they are in youth lacrosse.

the year Crabs 2020 beat 91 Crush at the Beach Lax final, there were about 5 kids from the 2019 team who came down and played that day. When 8th grade finishes school that's when they can reclass and switch teams.

Crabs coaches have most definitely encouraged families to reclass their kid.

The fact that any of you are surprised by this is laughable.

Its laughable and sad as RM and Crabs are one of the drivers for the mess we have now called grade based club lacrosse. Letting select kids play down prior to school teams is wrong. Listen to his interview in with Balt channel 2 " in the crease" . Snake oil salesman at its finest.

Why hasn't MM been kicked out of the HoCo league for telling his kids to break the other kids' arms?

If the leagues did an exact birth year age bracket system, it would take about 1 minute for some parent to complain that a kid is 11 months older than their kid. The late birthers would be accused of planning pregnancies to game the system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the leagues did an exact birth year age bracket system, it would take about 1 minute for some parent to complain that a kid is 11 months older than their kid. The late birthers would be accused of planning pregnancies to game the system.

it works in most other sports, it would work in lax. the only parent complaining would be the ones forced to have their kids play on age rather than down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the leagues did an exact birth year age bracket system, it would take about 1 minute for some parent to complain that a kid is 11 months older than their kid. The late birthers would be accused of planning pregnancies to game the system.

Spoken like an true apologist for holdbacks. Only people complaining would be the parents of the holdbacks. They would have to play at their age bracket. Cant have that.. Need an advantage other players exact same birthday dont get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the leagues did an exact birth year age bracket system, it would take about 1 minute for some parent to complain that a kid is 11 months older than their kid. The late birthers would be accused of planning pregnancies to game the system.

Spoken like an true apologist for holdbacks. Only people complaining would be the parents of the holdbacks. They would have to play at their age bracket. Cant have that.. Need an advantage other players exact same birthday dont get.

I like the idea of 6 month age bracket vs. a full year. It keeps the kids developmentally closer together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the leagues did an exact birth year age bracket system, it would take about 1 minute for some parent to complain that a kid is 11 months older than their kid. The late birthers would be accused of planning pregnancies to game the system.

Spoken like an true apologist for holdbacks. Only people complaining would be the parents of the holdbacks. They would have to play at their age bracket. Cant have that.. Need an advantage other players exact same birthday dont get.

I like the idea of 6 month age bracket vs. a full year. It keeps the kids developmentally closer together.

And....there we go. Why not exact birthday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the leagues did an exact birth year age bracket system, it would take about 1 minute for some parent to complain that a kid is 11 months older than their kid. The late birthers would be accused of planning pregnancies to game the system.

Spoken like an true apologist for holdbacks. Only people complaining would be the parents of the holdbacks. They would have to play at their age bracket. Cant have that.. Need an advantage other players exact same birthday dont get.

I like the idea of 6 month age bracket vs. a full year. It keeps the kids developmentally closer together.

And....there we go. Why not exact birthday?

Perfect..That along with certain weights and heights. 5000 different leagues each year..

Grade base along with some age restrictions like maybe May 1? or June 1? cutoff. That along with ANYONE who wants to play down with a Birthday after May 1/June 1 can just like the holdbacks do. That would put an end to all these older teams and stop people ( rightly so) of complaining that why do these select kids get an advantage when others dont. Certain teams attract majority of holdbacks. Now anyone who wants can play at that age, can. Many wouldnt do it and some may take advantage of it. But this would level the playing field at YOUTH CLUB level. With ER not happening in 8th-9th grade anymore having exact grades of players isnt as important. Of course it will never happen.

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

The reason it is unsafe is that refs don't call the game safely. There will alsway be size differences.

Refs never call Cross checks anymore. Every series there are blatant cross checks by every defense which are allowed.

Slashes to the legs are never called. Slashes to the arms and even backs are allowed even when it is obvious the defender is hitting no where near the kids stick.

Pushes are allowed as long as no one falls over.

Letting all these calls go leads to injuries.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

No team cuts from tryouts based on age. Lower ranked teams would love to grab some older kids at tryouts, but most of the better players end up at higher ranked clubs.
MIAA sets the 19 year age eligibility limit for start of Senior year, so why are so many people surprised that pre-first and repeating in private are common. It's not about Crabs, FCA, or Looney's abusing anything, they just happen to get the best players, and some happen to be private kids that repeated at some point. USL is not a league, so why would anyone hold a private grade-based club league to a higher standard than the MIAA rules? It is not about "your" kid being the best at the youth level, it is about learning, developing, and getting better. They aren't going to change to age based, or else teams will get split up every year at the 8th to 9th grade levels. Even at age based, it would take the lacrosse equivalent of liberals about 1 minute to start complaining about kids 11 months older than their kids. It would never end, there will always be something to complain about.

My son has an August birthday, 12 yo on a 2022. I am fine with, and used to, him playing against other kids nearly a year older, on teams with normal age boys. The problem is playing against a hold back team, he is now competing against several players up to 2 years older, and possibly some even older than that. Yes, I call that unfair. I always say to him, the other team is not better, they are just older, just like you playing against your older brother. I stopped complaining because I do not expect anything to be done, at least before he is through high school and this mess. It will probably take an unfortuate death or severe injury, and a whopper of a lawsuit to make a true change. One silver lining is he is getting better playing against older kids. I am hoping it will be more honestly competetive in highschool when the growth rates level off, and the size difference due to age is less of an issue.

I do not blame the elite clubs for this practice. I believe this is due to the private school system. They have figured out a way to get gullible parents fork up another year of $15k+ tuition. The elite privates are under huge pressure to succeed in lacrosse, at least in MD. Having older kids on the team is an edge. So if I was a coach at one of these programs I would try to get my whole team held back. If the parents are willing to pay, why not? The elite clubs are just pipelines for these high schools. Thus the pressure on the incoming kids, parents and coaches on the pre-HS elite club teams to have their kid held back.

My son is happy, playing with his friends on a non-elite team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

No team cuts from tryouts based on age. Lower ranked teams would love to grab some older kids at tryouts, but most of the better players end up at higher ranked clubs.
MIAA sets the 19 year age eligibility limit for start of Senior year, so why are so many people surprised that pre-first and repeating in private are common. It's not about Crabs, FCA, or Looney's abusing anything, they just happen to get the best players, and some happen to be private kids that repeated at some point. USL is not a league, so why would anyone hold a private grade-based club league to a higher standard than the MIAA rules? It is not about "your" kid being the best at the youth level, it is about learning, developing, and getting better. They aren't going to change to age based, or else teams will get split up every year at the 8th to 9th grade levels. Even at age based, it would take the lacrosse equivalent of liberals about 1 minute to start complaining about kids 11 months older than their kids. It would never end, there will always be something to complain about.

You miss the point entirely. Who cares what the MIAA does. It is their business. And if they start a MIAA YOUTH league, go for grade base. Their middle schools teams do now. Look at BL, McD, etc.
We are talking about ALL YOUTH CLUB lacrosse until the 8th grade. We are talking YOUTH SPORTS.

When it YOUTH sports did it become ok to have select heldback 5th graders playing against 4th graders?? or teams of mostly 9th graders playing against teams of mostly 8th graders?? Really that is what we want in youth club lacrosse?? Spin it any way you want Youth sports was always made to play pre puberty at a age restrictions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is happy, playing with his friends on a non-elite team.

Then he is probably better off than 50% of the kids on the elite clubs who are not enjoying their experience.

Can the HoCo Dept of Recreation extend the league to 8 -10 weeks? A good team (that for example, missed players during spring break) with a 4-2 record will probably not make the playoffs, due to the short season.

This is the premier league for the region and when you have divisions with 10-12 teams, some teams end up playing really weak schedules which gives them an unfair advantage to get to the playoffs. I would think that it is better for each team in a division to play all of the teams in their division (at least once), so that the truly top team make the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

No team cuts from tryouts based on age. Lower ranked teams would love to grab some older kids at tryouts, but most of the better players end up at higher ranked clubs.
MIAA sets the 19 year age eligibility limit for start of Senior year, so why are so many people surprised that pre-first and repeating in private are common. It's not about Crabs, FCA, or Looney's abusing anything, they just happen to get the best players, and some happen to be private kids that repeated at some point. USL is not a league, so why would anyone hold a private grade-based club league to a higher standard than the MIAA rules? It is not about "your" kid being the best at the youth level, it is about learning, developing, and getting better. They aren't going to change to age based, or else teams will get split up every year at the 8th to 9th grade levels. Even at age based, it would take the lacrosse equivalent of liberals about 1 minute to start complaining about kids 11 months older than their kids. It would never end, there will always be something to complain about.

You miss the point entirely. Who cares what the MIAA does. It is their business. And if they start a MIAA YOUTH league, go for grade base. Their middle schools teams do now. Look at BL, McD, etc.
We are talking about ALL YOUTH CLUB lacrosse until the 8th grade. We are talking YOUTH SPORTS.

When it YOUTH sports did it become ok to have select heldback 5th graders playing against 4th graders?? or teams of mostly 9th graders playing against teams of mostly 8th graders?? Really that is what we want in youth club lacrosse?? Spin it any way you want Youth sports was always made to play pre puberty at a age restrictions.

You miss the point entirely, actually. You are arguing against what currently exists, so the answer to your first question, is that is how it is now, assuming you are talking about grade-based club. You can't call a kid in the 8th grade a 9th grader, just because it fits your agenda. No, he is actually an 8th grader, if he is in 8th grade. You can call him old for typical public school 8th grader, but the league has rules, so it is not up to you to call someone something they are not. You don't have to like it, but an 8th grader that did pre-first is still an 8th grader. It's not spin; it's reality. If you get the rules changed back to age, than it will be like rec again, you are older one year, and younger the next. They aren't going to do a league for birth year, so careful what you wish for..

The end game is the same but the path changed. At least in revenue sports. It used to be, and still is other than lacrosse, talented players either attend a post high school prep year and/or redshirt first year of college. The Baltimore lacrosse clique figured out a way to spend the extra $25,000 for their child to do pre-first for early recruiting bragging rights.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The end game is the same but the path changed. At least in revenue sports. It used to be, and still is other than lacrosse, talented players either attend a post high school prep year and/or redshirt first year of college. The Baltimore lacrosse clique figured out a way to spend the extra $25,000 for their child to do pre-first for early recruiting bragging rights.

At 6 years old, don't think so. What do the rest of the parents do it for, fun? It's a school curriculum, ding dong, you know like reading, math, stuff like that..

Any advantage - ding dong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

No team cuts from tryouts based on age. Lower ranked teams would love to grab some older kids at tryouts, but most of the better players end up at higher ranked clubs.
MIAA sets the 19 year age eligibility limit for start of Senior year, so why are so many people surprised that pre-first and repeating in private are common. It's not about Crabs, FCA, or Looney's abusing anything, they just happen to get the best players, and some happen to be private kids that repeated at some point. USL is not a league, so why would anyone hold a private grade-based club league to a higher standard than the MIAA rules? It is not about "your" kid being the best at the youth level, it is about learning, developing, and getting better. They aren't going to change to age based, or else teams will get split up every year at the 8th to 9th grade levels. Even at age based, it would take the lacrosse equivalent of liberals about 1 minute to start complaining about kids 11 months older than their kids. It would never end, there will always be something to complain about.

You miss the point entirely. Who cares what the MIAA does. It is their business. And if they start a MIAA YOUTH league, go for grade base. Their middle schools teams do now. Look at BL, McD, etc.
We are talking about ALL YOUTH CLUB lacrosse until the 8th grade. We are talking YOUTH SPORTS.

When it YOUTH sports did it become ok to have select heldback 5th graders playing against 4th graders?? or teams of mostly 9th graders playing against teams of mostly 8th graders?? Really that is what we want in youth club lacrosse?? Spin it any way you want Youth sports was always made to play pre puberty at a age restrictions.

You miss the point entirely, actually. You are arguing against what currently exists, so the answer to your first question, is that is how it is now, assuming you are talking about grade-based club. You can't call a kid in the 8th grade a 9th grader, just because it fits your agenda. No, he is actually an 8th grader, if he is in 8th grade. You can call him old for typical public school 8th grader, but the league has rules, so it is not up to you to call someone something they are not. You don't have to like it, but an 8th grader that did pre-first is still an 8th grader. It's not spin; it's reality. If you get the rules changed back to age, than it will be like rec again, you are older one year, and younger the next. They aren't going to do a league for birth year, so careful what you wish for..

Is this your first time around youth sports?? Are you some recent private school parent of a prefirst kid??
When did age and rec go hand and hand as you state?? This grade based club lacrosse is only a few years old. Prior to that all youth Club and rec was age base. Are you aware of that?? Crabs had U15 , U13 top of the line age based Club teams just a few years ago. Crabs club High School lacrosse along with everyone else was always Grade based in prior years and is now as it should be.

Get what I wish for?? A simple U15, U14, U13 down to U9 would be a simple method for club lacrosse. The worlds largest sport soccer had a huge problem with cheating and kids playing down due to prefirst/failures/reclass/etc and guess what they did..Yea a simple age based by year with cards. No high competitive soccer games at any age level has any the garbage you hear at youth lacrosse levels about age difference and cheating.

Of course you are within the rules if your child is a holdback playing in his grade now.?? who said otherwise?? The rules letting teams of kids that should be in 5th grade but due to failure/prefirst/reclass are now in 4th grade play against teams of legal age 4th graders
( is that better for you) is not how youth sports was meant to be played. Common sense tells you that.

I am surprised some holdback apologist hasnt given us "that is what college coaches want for recruiting". That excuse is now lame as Early recruiting is now 11th grade as of April 26 .. That was the big reason grade based proponents wanted it. Thats gone..So come on give us some good reasons why ALL Club youth lacrosse need to be grade base instead of a simple U base? The rules? Help out all the private school prefirsts? Is this a MIAA youth league?? LOL..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you are within the rules if your child is a holdback playing in his grade now.?? who said otherwise?? The rules letting teams of kids that should be in 5th grade but due to failure/prefirst/reclass are now in 4th grade play against teams of legal age 4th graders (is that better for you) is not how youth sports was meant to be played. Common sense tells you that.

Actually, a lot of people say that. I think that's what gets people so riled up about this issue. Call someone or their kid a "cheater" and watch what happens.

HoCo is a grade-based league. Here is the actual rule from the HoCo bylaws:

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The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, varsity or club team should not be eligible for 8th grade/U15 competition in the same season.

Key terms here:

"A player's current grade level" meaning what grade is he in right now
"normal progression" meaning when will he graduate relative to what grade he is in right now

Some people say that holdbacks/prefirsts are not following a normal progression. And while that might have been true when they started or when they were held back, what this really means within the scope of the rules is you can't, for example, be an 8th grader this year (should be playing 2021) but play on a 2022 team this year knowing that you'll be repeating 8th grade after this year.

I'm not saying this is "right" or this is the way the league should be run, but this is the way the league is run. My kid is a pre-pubescent 8th grader playing against some of those should-be 10th graders, so believe me, I get it. But until the recruiting landscape actually changes, it is what it is.

People talk "US Lacrosse this" and "US Lacrosse that." US Lacrosse has no power to do anything with local leagues. If a local league (like HoCo) wants to have its own rules, it is certainly free to do so. What HoCo can't do is rely on member clubs to be able to use US Lacrosse's insurance program... each club has to have their own liability insurance. That's really the only thing that US Lacrosse's rules are for... if your league uses their set of rules, your program can be covered under their umbrella.

Is this your first time around youth sports?? Are you some recent private school parent of a prefirst kid??
When did age and rec go hand and hand as you state?? This grade based club lacrosse is only a few years old. Prior to that all youth Club and rec was age base. Are you aware of that?? Crabs had U15 , U13 top of the line age based Club teams just a few years ago. Crabs club High School lacrosse along with everyone else was always Grade based in prior years and is now as it should be.

Get what I wish for?? A simple U15, U14, U13 down to U9 would be a simple method for club lacrosse. The worlds largest sport soccer had a huge problem with cheating and kids playing down due to prefirst/failures/reclass/etc and guess what they did..Yea a simple age based by year with cards. No high competitive soccer games at any age level has any the garbage you hear at youth lacrosse levels about age difference and cheating.

Of course you are within the rules if your child is a holdback playing in his grade now.?? who said otherwise?? The rules letting teams of kids that should be in 5th grade but due to failure/prefirst/reclass are now in 4th grade play against teams of legal age 4th graders
( is that better for you) is not how youth sports was meant to be played. Common sense tells you that.

I am surprised some holdback apologist hasnt given us "that is what college coaches want for recruiting". That excuse is now lame as Early recruiting is now 11th grade as of April 26 .. That was the big reason grade based proponents wanted it. Thats gone..So come on give us some good reasons why ALL Club youth lacrosse need to be grade base instead of a simple U base? The rules? Help out all the private school prefirsts? Is this a MIAA youth league?? LOL..
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Easy one, but you should know this with all of your superior youth sports knowledge. Youth lacrosse is less than half the size of soccer, even in this area. So that would be great in the few very densely populated suburban areas, but the overwhelming surrounding rural areas would not be able to support rec leagues with teams at every literal birth year. Club could do it and make it work, but their is no incentive, as there has been no problem filling up the one grad year team per grade to date. By middle school, even with the new legislation, top clubs want to build scout-able teams that are ready by HS, rather than having to rebuild starting at 9th grade. Not so simple, as you state, to compare the largest sport in the world, to essentially the smallest (but best!).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

No team cuts from tryouts based on age. Lower ranked teams would love to grab some older kids at tryouts, but most of the better players end up at higher ranked clubs.
MIAA sets the 19 year age eligibility limit for start of Senior year, so why are so many people surprised that pre-first and repeating in private are common. It's not about Crabs, FCA, or Looney's abusing anything, they just happen to get the best players, and some happen to be private kids that repeated at some point. USL is not a league, so why would anyone hold a private grade-based club league to a higher standard than the MIAA rules? It is not about "your" kid being the best at the youth level, it is about learning, developing, and getting better. They aren't going to change to age based, or else teams will get split up every year at the 8th to 9th grade levels. Even at age based, it would take the lacrosse equivalent of liberals about 1 minute to start complaining about kids 11 months older than their kids. It would never end, there will always be something to complain about.

You miss the point entirely. Who cares what the MIAA does. It is their business. And if they start a MIAA YOUTH league, go for grade base. Their middle schools teams do now. Look at BL, McD, etc.
We are talking about ALL YOUTH CLUB lacrosse until the 8th grade. We are talking YOUTH SPORTS.

When it YOUTH sports did it become ok to have select heldback 5th graders playing against 4th graders?? or teams of mostly 9th graders playing against teams of mostly 8th graders?? Really that is what we want in youth club lacrosse?? Spin it any way you want Youth sports was always made to play pre puberty at a age restrictions.

You miss the point entirely, actually. You are arguing against what currently exists, so the answer to your first question, is that is how it is now, assuming you are talking about grade-based club. You can't call a kid in the 8th grade a 9th grader, just because it fits your agenda. No, he is actually an 8th grader, if he is in 8th grade. You can call him old for typical public school 8th grader, but the league has rules, so it is not up to you to call someone something they are not. You don't have to like it, but an 8th grader that did pre-first is still an 8th grader. It's not spin; it's reality. If you get the rules changed back to age, than it will be like rec again, you are older one year, and younger the next. They aren't going to do a league for birth year, so careful what you wish for..

Is this your first time around youth sports?? Are you some recent private school parent of a prefirst kid??
When did age and rec go hand and hand as you state?? This grade based club lacrosse is only a few years old. Prior to that all youth Club and rec was age base. Are you aware of that?? Crabs had U15 , U13 top of the line age based Club teams just a few years ago. Crabs club High School lacrosse along with everyone else was always Grade based in prior years and is now as it should be.

Get what I wish for?? A simple U15, U14, U13 down to U9 would be a simple method for club lacrosse. The worlds largest sport soccer had a huge problem with cheating and kids playing down due to prefirst/failures/reclass/etc and guess what they did..Yea a simple age based by year with cards. No high competitive soccer games at any age level has any the garbage you hear at youth lacrosse levels about age difference and cheating.

Of course you are within the rules if your child is a holdback playing in his grade now.?? who said otherwise?? The rules letting teams of kids that should be in 5th grade but due to failure/prefirst/reclass are now in 4th grade play against teams of legal age 4th graders
( is that better for you) is not how youth sports was meant to be played. Common sense tells you that.

I am surprised some holdback apologist hasnt given us "that is what college coaches want for recruiting". That excuse is now lame as Early recruiting is now 11th grade as of April 26 .. That was the big reason grade based proponents wanted it. Thats gone..So come on give us some good reasons why ALL Club youth lacrosse need to be grade base instead of a simple U base? The rules? Help out all the private school prefirsts? Is this a MIAA youth league?? LOL..

Your whole basis of argument is that public school curriculum should mandate a private club sports league. There is no "should be". Prefirst is a common curriculum in almost every private school now. Public schools are essentially third world institutions, with some minor exceptions, so let's please not use that as the gold standard to start mandating private (paid) anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any parent with the least bit of common sense can understand that there will be age differences in HOCO. The problem is (and why USL is pushing for age based classification) is that organizations like Crabs are abusing the system. When virtually your entire starting line up in the 8th grade is full of 15 year olds - some who will turn 16 before Christmas of their Freshman year you have dramatic difference in the physical/mental development of the kids on the field. It's unfair and unsafe.

No team cuts from tryouts based on age. Lower ranked teams would love to grab some older kids at tryouts, but most of the better players end up at higher ranked clubs.
MIAA sets the 19 year age eligibility limit for start of Senior year, so why are so many people surprised that pre-first and repeating in private are common. It's not about Crabs, FCA, or Looney's abusing anything, they just happen to get the best players, and some happen to be private kids that repeated at some point. USL is not a league, so why would anyone hold a private grade-based club league to a higher standard than the MIAA rules? It is not about "your" kid being the best at the youth level, it is about learning, developing, and getting better. They aren't going to change to age based, or else teams will get split up every year at the 8th to 9th grade levels. Even at age based, it would take the lacrosse equivalent of liberals about 1 minute to start complaining about kids 11 months older than their kids. It would never end, there will always be something to complain about.

You miss the point entirely. Who cares what the MIAA does. It is their business. And if they start a MIAA YOUTH league, go for grade base. Their middle schools teams do now. Look at BL, McD, etc.
We are talking about ALL YOUTH CLUB lacrosse until the 8th grade. We are talking YOUTH SPORTS.

When it YOUTH sports did it become ok to have select heldback 5th graders playing against 4th graders?? or teams of mostly 9th graders playing against teams of mostly 8th graders?? Really that is what we want in youth club lacrosse?? Spin it any way you want Youth sports was always made to play pre puberty at a age restrictions.

You miss the point entirely, actually. You are arguing against what currently exists, so the answer to your first question, is that is how it is now, assuming you are talking about grade-based club. You can't call a kid in the 8th grade a 9th grader, just because it fits your agenda. No, he is actually an 8th grader, if he is in 8th grade. You can call him old for typical public school 8th grader, but the league has rules, so it is not up to you to call someone something they are not. You don't have to like it, but an 8th grader that did pre-first is still an 8th grader. It's not spin; it's reality. If you get the rules changed back to age, than it will be like rec again, you are older one year, and younger the next. They aren't going to do a league for birth year, so careful what you wish for..

Is this your first time around youth sports?? Are you some recent private school parent of a prefirst kid??
When did age and rec go hand and hand as you state?? This grade based club lacrosse is only a few years old. Prior to that all youth Club and rec was age base. Are you aware of that?? Crabs had U15 , U13 top of the line age based Club teams just a few years ago. Crabs club High School lacrosse along with everyone else was always Grade based in prior years and is now as it should be.

Get what I wish for?? A simple U15, U14, U13 down to U9 would be a simple method for club lacrosse. The worlds largest sport soccer had a huge problem with cheating and kids playing down due to prefirst/failures/reclass/etc and guess what they did..Yea a simple age based by year with cards. No high competitive soccer games at any age level has any the garbage you hear at youth lacrosse levels about age difference and cheating.

Of course you are within the rules if your child is a holdback playing in his grade now.?? who said otherwise?? The rules letting teams of kids that should be in 5th grade but due to failure/prefirst/reclass are now in 4th grade play against teams of legal age 4th graders
( is that better for you) is not how youth sports was meant to be played. Common sense tells you that.

I am surprised some holdback apologist hasnt given us "that is what college coaches want for recruiting". That excuse is now lame as Early recruiting is now 11th grade as of April 26 .. That was the big reason grade based proponents wanted it. Thats gone..So come on give us some good reasons why ALL Club youth lacrosse need to be grade base instead of a simple U base? The rules? Help out all the private school prefirsts? Is this a MIAA youth league?? LOL..

Your whole basis of argument is that public school curriculum should mandate a private club sports league. There is no "should be". Prefirst is a common curriculum in almost every private school now. Public schools are essentially third world institutions, with some minor exceptions, so let's please not use that as the gold standard to start mandating private (paid) anything.

Wow! How did you get that from all of the above?? HOCO league is a government run league by Howard County Recreation? It is obvious that they either wanted to curry favors from private schools or had prefirst children in private schools or ??. Why would they go grade base when ALL other HoCO leagues went by age? EVERY SINGLE LEAGUE EXCEPT LACROSSE!

I am very aware of prefirst as my children go to Private school. But I do have a higher thoughts on public education than you do. Some good some bad. But that has nothing to do with private youth lacrosse clubs and the leagues they are in. The issue is letting select youth kids play down due to being heldback while similar children with same exact birthday play at a different grouping ( grade above).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this your first time around youth sports?? Are you some recent private school parent of a prefirst kid??
When did age and rec go hand and hand as you state?? This grade based club lacrosse is only a few years old. Prior to that all youth Club and rec was age base. Are you aware of that?? Crabs had U15 , U13 top of the line age based Club teams just a few years ago. Crabs club High School lacrosse along with everyone else was always Grade based in prior years and is now as it should be.

Get what I wish for?? A simple U15, U14, U13 down to U9 would be a simple method for club lacrosse. The worlds largest sport soccer had a huge problem with cheating and kids playing down due to prefirst/failures/reclass/etc and guess what they did..Yea a simple age based by year with cards. No high competitive soccer games at any age level has any the garbage you hear at youth lacrosse levels about age difference and cheating.

Of course you are within the rules if your child is a holdback playing in his grade now.?? who said otherwise?? The rules letting teams of kids that should be in 5th grade but due to failure/prefirst/reclass are now in 4th grade play against teams of legal age 4th graders
( is that better for you) is not how youth sports was meant to be played. Common sense tells you that.

I am surprised some holdback apologist hasnt given us "that is what college coaches want for recruiting". That excuse is now lame as Early recruiting is now 11th grade as of April 26 .. That was the big reason grade based proponents wanted it. Thats gone..So come on give us some good reasons why ALL Club youth lacrosse need to be grade base instead of a simple U base? The rules? Help out all the private school prefirsts? Is this a MIAA youth league?? LOL..

Easy one, but you should know this with all of your superior youth sports knowledge. Youth lacrosse is less than half the size of soccer, even in this area. So that would be great in the few very densely populated suburban areas, but the overwhelming surrounding rural areas would not be able to support rec leagues with teams at every literal birth year. Club could do it and make it work, but their is no incentive, as there has been no problem filling up the one grad year team per grade to date. By middle school, even with the new legislation, top clubs want to build scout-able teams that are ready by HS, rather than having to rebuild starting at 9th grade. Not so simple, as you state, to compare the largest sport in the world, to essentially the smallest (but best!).[/quote]

So are you saying it is easier to field club teams by every grade in sparsely populated areas than by U every year?? Not sure how that makes sense? In sparely populated areas the club team is the rec team or an all star of rec teams. It is U15 becoming a 8th grade team with both 8th and 7th graders ( they play at U15 too) .

So top clubs need these grade base teams in youth from 3rd grade up to 8th to be elites and ready to be scouted by HS. Hilarious!! With recent ER changes by NCAA most serious scouting will be 10th grade. That is ONE full year prior . There will some looking at 9th but 10th will be the big year.

What ever happened to tryouts each year where the best get on the team. Look at Crabs or any team. Roster changes every year until about 10th or 11th grade.

You sound like some club director saying """ By middle school, even with the new legislation, top clubs want to build scout-able teams that are ready by HS,"""" Seriously Ryan??

Easy one, but you should know this with all of your superior youth sports knowledge. Youth lacrosse is less than half the size of soccer, even in this area. So that would be great in the few very densely populated suburban areas, but the overwhelming surrounding rural areas would not be able to support rec leagues with teams at every literal birth year. Club could do it and make it work, but their is no incentive, as there has been no problem filling up the one grad year team per grade to date. By middle school, even with the new legislation, top clubs want to build scout-able teams that are ready by HS, rather than having to rebuild starting at 9th grade. Not so simple, as you state, to compare the largest sport in the world, to essentially the smallest (but best!).[/quote]

So are you saying it is easier to field club teams by every grade in sparsely populated areas than by U every year?? Not sure how that makes sense? In sparely populated areas the club team is the rec team or an all star of rec teams. It is U15 becoming a 8th grade team with both 8th and 7th graders ( they play at U15 too) .

So top clubs need these grade base teams in youth from 3rd grade up to 8th to be elites and ready to be scouted by HS. Hilarious!! With recent ER changes by NCAA most serious scouting will be 10th grade. That is ONE full year prior . There will some looking at 9th but 10th will be the big year.

What ever happened to tryouts each year where the best get on the team. Look at Crabs or any team. Roster changes every year until about 10th or 11th grade.

You sound like some club director saying """ By middle school, even with the new legislation, top clubs want to build scout-able teams that are ready by HS,"""" Seriously Ryan??
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It is easy to generalize and try to criticize and/or make fun, but what facts did you actually address? Yes, because club kids travel to the club they want vs. rec kids usually play in their direct community. So for example, and I'm just arbitrarily picking some clubs, nothing negative, Balt. City/Gamber/Westminster/St. James, etc. - they don't really have enough kids year in and year out to field teams just by birth year. That's just the history and reality, so youth rec lacrosse has always been U15/U13 etc. Conversely, clubs practice where they want to practice, and typically get enough kids at tryouts to field at least their standard one team per grad year. Not sure why you are so passionate in your criticism, but you actually don't dispute the facts, just seem to restate what I said, but indicate it is absurd, I guess - not sure what your point was. Your next point, which you found hilarious for some reason, no, it would be 3rd through 5th, because I said by middle school (6th-8th) they want to start building and developing teams by grad year, so 6th through 8th wouldn't fall under your hilarious part. Now, sure, I don't really disagree or care what they do at 3rd through 5th, but what they do now is exactly what I said, keep it at grad year for continuity. Again, not sure what was hilarious, because it is what exists. Once you get to HS, sure there could be a few roster changes on the best teams, but that is different than completely building a team, so not sure what your point was there either. Most of the best kids are already there, and a few develop along the way and eventually get added. 9th grade teams will get scouted, and recruiting boards will get developed throughout the year. 10th graders will get recruited. This is all exactly what is going on, so not sure why you are getting so butthurt about it..

I am surprised some holdback apologist hasnt given us "that is what college coaches want for recruiting". That excuse is now lame as Early recruiting is now 11th grade as of April 26 .. That was the big reason grade based proponents wanted it. Thats gone..So come on give us some good reasons why ALL Club youth lacrosse need to be grade base instead of a simple U base? The rules? Help out all the private school prefirsts? Is this a MIAA youth league?? LOL..
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Your whole basis of argument is that public school curriculum should mandate a private club sports league. There is no "should be". Prefirst is a common curriculum in almost every private school now. Public schools are essentially third world institutions, with some minor exceptions, so let's please not use that as the gold standard to start mandating private (paid) anything.[/quote]

Wow! How did you get that from all of the above?? HOCO league is a government run league by Howard County Recreation? It is obvious that they either wanted to curry favors from private schools or had prefirst children in private schools or ??. Why would they go grade base when ALL other HoCO leagues went by age? EVERY SINGLE LEAGUE EXCEPT LACROSSE!

I am very aware of prefirst as my children go to Private school. But I do have a higher thoughts on public education than you do. Some good some bad. But that has nothing to do with private youth lacrosse clubs and the leagues they are in. The issue is letting select youth kids play down due to being heldback while similar children with same exact birthday play at a different grouping ( grade above). [/quote]

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

How about some of you just pull up to the field and say get out. You'd be amazed at what would happen. It's this amazing thing called growing up and dealing with sh*t. They invented it like back in the 30's.

But you pre-first, holdback, reclass parents don't pull up to the field and say get out; you say let's pass and come back next year to play the younger kids so you don't have to face reality. So the private schools created a new reality to suck another $25,000 from the snowflake helicopter parents and called it pre-first.

You holdback complainers should give it a rest. Do you really think your kid would be the superstar if there were no holdbacks in the world? And does it even matter in the first place? It probably doesn't bother your kid nearly as much as it bothers you. I played my kid up for years. He rode the pine. Some games he didn't get in at all. But it made him tougher, and he practiced harder until he was a starter over kids 1-2 years older. If your kid can't hang with the increased competition from the holdbacks, and it really bothers you that much, you should probably sign your kid up for rec. Then they will definitely be the superstar. Won't it be great?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But you pre-first, holdback, reclass parents don't pull up to the field and say get out; you say let's pass and come back next year to play the younger kids so you don't have to face reality. So the private schools created a new reality to suck another $25,000 from the snowflake helicopter parents and called it pre-first.

Well, if you are on the competitive teams, actually playing against our classmates from school.

Or, the world class cheapskates are stuck in the 100 year old defunct public system. Whichever argument fits your agenda, but most things important in life evolve, get better. It's just education, I suppose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is easy to generalize and try to criticize and/or make fun, but what facts did you actually address? Yes, because club kids travel to the club they want vs. rec kids usually play in their direct community. So for example, and I'm just arbitrarily picking some clubs, nothing negative, Balt. City/Gamber/Westminster/St. James, etc. - they don't really have enough kids year in and year out to field teams just by birth year. That's just the history and reality, so youth rec lacrosse has always been U15/U13 etc. Conversely, clubs practice where they want to practice, and typically get enough kids at tryouts to field at least their standard one team per grad year. Not sure why you are so passionate in your criticism, but you actually don't dispute the facts, just seem to restate what I said, but indicate it is absurd, I guess - not sure what your point was. Your next point, which you found hilarious for some reason, no, it would be 3rd through 5th, because I said by middle school (6th-8th) they want to start building and developing teams by grad year, so 6th through 8th wouldn't fall under your hilarious part. Now, sure, I don't really disagree or care what they do at 3rd through 5th, but what they do now is exactly what I said, keep it at grad year for continuity. Again, not sure what was hilarious, because it is what exists. Once you get to HS, sure there could be a few roster changes on the best teams, but that is different than completely building a team, so not sure what your point was there either. Most of the best kids are already there, and a few develop along the way and eventually get added. 9th grade teams will get scouted, and recruiting boards will get developed throughout the year. 10th graders will get recruited. This is all exactly what is going on, so not sure why you are getting so butthurt about it..

What are you talking about? So much to answer.. You try to mix rec and club..You dont care about 3-5 grades but care about youth 6-8 grades? Why so caring about letting kids play down then and not earlier?/ Or thats right recruiting in 10th grade! Still Hilarious argument

And you dont understand what?? That teams have tryouts for teams and change rosters ?? But that is another excuse to be grade base and let certain select players play down ?/ Still Hilarious

Here this is easier for you. When did you think it was right for two different kids born on the exact same day to have to play at TWO different levels in YOUTH SPORTS?? Is the what they taught you. Some kids born on the exact same day get the advantage of playing at one level and some players get the disadvantage to play at a different level irregardless that they share the same birthday.

Just a side note. 10 graders will not get recruited . They will get scouted only. If they get recruited it will be illegal. If a NCAA coach even tells the club coach he is interested it will be illegal. The landscape will change in next few years. Lets hope some sanity comes back to club lacrosse at the youth level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

Why does every forum devolve into complaining about the age of kids?

Is that really the most interesting thing happening in the HoCo league?

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.
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Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL
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Practice, coaching, best competition possible. If the biggest thing you have going is argument about a year age gap, good luck with lacrosse!

No, the fact that Mark Millon hasn't been banned yet is. How can a coach yell break his arm and instruct his team to injure the other team, call a kid a [lacrosse], drop the f bomb, and openly heckle opposing players, and nothing happen to him. The guy obviously can't control his rage. Daddy ball at the worst.

The league is going very well this year. The officiating has been solid, consistent and placed safety over competition. I have seen a lot f 2022 and 2023 and the teams seem pretty well balanced. The divisions are a little odd, having two AA division in 2022 is a little silly. The AA teams should be A, mixed in with some of the A classifications, and most A teams should be B.

2023 has been a lot of fun. Every team has 2-3 outstanding players. Team 91 goalie is a brick wall. It is fun to watch the kids walk on and off the field with such camaraderie. The score can be pretty one sided but most of the kids are over it quickly.

The coaching has been very good as well. Very supportive.

back in the day(glory days)if you were good you played up. Everything use to be by BIRTH DAYS...soccer does it football, baseball, volley ball, basketball too. Every YOUTH sport does it except for lacrosse. Private schools are trying to hold on to there advantage in the sport. ITS CRIMINAL that the sport does not go back to birthdays and if teams break up until high school that's just too bad. if parents leagues tournaments don't recognize its a problem the complaining will continue. Every time a holdback, prefirst beats a kid out that's doing it right he is just screwing that kid. GO BACK TO BIRTHDAYS!!!! problem solved...then we can find something else to complain about...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

back in the day(glory days)if you were good you played up. Everything use to be by BIRTH DAYS...soccer does it football, baseball, volley ball, basketball too. Every YOUTH sport does it except for lacrosse. Private schools are trying to hold on to there advantage in the sport. ITS CRIMINAL that the sport does not go back to birthdays and if teams break up until high school that's just too bad. if parents leagues tournaments don't recognize its a problem the complaining will continue. Every time a holdback, prefirst beats a kid out that's doing it right he is just screwing that kid. GO BACK TO BIRTHDAYS!!!! problem solved...then we can find something else to complain about...

Not sure criminal..But the system as it is now is not in the spirit of youth sports and everything we are taught about fair play for the youths of today.
One of biggest excuses for grade base was recruiting in 9th grade by college. That is gone now as of April 26 by NCAA. 11th grade is earliest you can have contact with college coach and that includes College coaches talking to Club coaches. 10th grade will be the new 8th grade for recruiting and 9th will be the new 7th for recruiting .. So 8th will be the new 6th..not sure that excuse holds up now. But I am sure the parents of older children and Club Directors have new and improved reasons for grade base without age restrictions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

"Most of us don't care", that's a lie. Most of us do care.... recent legislation says that. Your small circle of friends may not care about fair play but the majority of us do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

Cant you come up with something better than that. The equivalent to every year grade base league (ages from 1 to 2 years , birthdays do not matter with some kids playing down others not) and an age based league on a simple U15,14,13,12, etc..(ages all within a year) .... Not sure why grade based proponents cant get that thru their head. It is a simple concept??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

back in the day(glory days)if you were good you played up. Everything use to be by BIRTH DAYS...soccer does it football, baseball, volley ball, basketball too. Every YOUTH sport does it except for lacrosse. Private schools are trying to hold on to there advantage in the sport. ITS CRIMINAL that the sport does not go back to birthdays and if teams break up until high school that's just too bad. if parents leagues tournaments don't recognize its a problem the complaining will continue. Every time a holdback, prefirst beats a kid out that's doing it right he is just screwing that kid. GO BACK TO BIRTHDAYS!!!! problem solved...then we can find something else to complain about...

Youth lacrosse was never birthdays, unless maybe your glory days were during the Korean War. You are comparing it to sports that are 3x, 4x, 5x larger, not enough kids historically to field one team per birth year in the rec leagues. Youth lacrosse has been 2 year age spreads (U15, U13, U11, etc) for many decades.

If the leagues went to birth year, strong kids would start playing up, then you would have to come up with a new label. How are the libs going to handle a 3rd grader beating out a 4th grader? Oh the revolt, these younger kids should not be moving up. Wait, we can revive the height/weight argument. In today's world, we may be able to sell a speed argument.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

back in the day(glory days)if you were good you played up. Everything use to be by BIRTH DAYS...soccer does it football, baseball, volley ball, basketball too. Every YOUTH sport does it except for lacrosse. Private schools are trying to hold on to there advantage in the sport. ITS CRIMINAL that the sport does not go back to birthdays and if teams break up until high school that's just too bad. if parents leagues tournaments don't recognize its a problem the complaining will continue. Every time a holdback, prefirst beats a kid out that's doing it right he is just screwing that kid. GO BACK TO BIRTHDAYS!!!! problem solved...then we can find something else to complain about...

Youth lacrosse was never birthdays, unless maybe your glory days were during the Korean War. You are comparing it to sports that are 3x, 4x, 5x larger, not enough kids historically to field one team per birth year in the rec leagues. Youth lacrosse has been 2 year age spreads (U15, U13, U11, etc) for many decades.

How hard is it to understand that it was birthdays?? It just was two year birthdays. But even with the 2 year spread. Every other year you were with the older group. And anyone that played in MYLA knew a few years ago. The A teams were mainly second year players with some good first year players mixed in ( in other words playing up) And if it was a single U based league like a 15,14,13,12,.. instead of single grade base like now. The U leagues would be only a year difference max.

But now with single grade base..Age doesnt matter and some kids always are the oldest starting at 9 years old.. Yea thats fair at youth sports

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

"Most of us don't care", that's a lie. Most of us do care.... recent legislation says that. Your small circle of friends may not care about fair play but the majority of us do.

What legislation are you talking about? Nothing has been passed about youth ages.

How hard is it to understand that it was birthdays?? It just was two year birthdays. But even with the 2 year spread. Every other year you were with the older group. And anyone that played in MYLA knew a few years ago. The A teams were mainly second year players with some good first year players mixed in ( in other words playing up) And if it was a single U based league like a 15,14,13,12,.. instead of single grade base like now. The U leagues would be only a year difference max.

But now with single grade base..Age doesnt matter and some kids always are the oldest starting at 9 years old.. Yea thats fair at youth sports[/quote]

Two year birthdays. So great.

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.[/quote]

"Most of us don't care", that's a lie. Most of us do care.... recent legislation says that. Your small circle of friends may not care about fair play but the majority of us do.[/quote]

What next, the I know you are but what am I argument. Legislation says your liberal whiner baby pussybow hat my kid is always a champion nonsense has been overruled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

"Most of us don't care", that's a lie. Most of us do care.... recent legislation says that. Your small circle of friends may not care about fair play but the majority of us do.[/quote]

What next, the I know you are but what am I argument. Legislation says your liberal whiner baby pussybow hat my kid is always a champion nonsense has been overruled.
Name calling is always the answer when you have nothing intelligent to say
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Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People are complaining about what they deem "holdbacks", which you are now making worse by calling them "select". The only basis to call someone a "holdback", in a grade-based system, is that they deviate from the public school grade 1-12 curriculum. Private schools are very prevalent in the area, so why are we considering public school kids ok, and private kids not? It's not playing down either way! If anything, just let public school kids subtract one year when they register to head off the year of the painful drivel. I'm not explaining to my 3rd grader why some butthurt parent of one of his teammates keeps calling him a 4th grader! Get the rules changed, or accept it when you pay the bill, and shut up about the kids. And yes, third world.

Only one getting Butthurt is you trying to explain that had to do prefrst.
I can see you bought into the whole prefirst logic spewed out by the school.

Only problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. You feel your prefirst should get an advantage ( play at one level) another child born on same day doesnt at youth sports. So you think that is ok in youth sports, The majority of people dont feel your prefirst should get an advantage others dont get.. Pretty simple except to butthurt apologists like you! LOL

Actually, most of us don't care and are tired of this argument. There was a 2 year spread in the U9, U11, U13 model. Grade based ends up with kids closer in age than that as it is very rare for prefirst kids to have a birthday earlier than spring.

"Most of us don't care", that's a lie. Most of us do care.... recent legislation says that. Your small circle of friends may not care about fair play but the majority of us do.

What legislation are you talking about? Nothing has been passed about youth ages.

You are the same person that says it's not cheating. Very precise and unable to understand the spirit of things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What legislation are you talking about? Nothing has been passed about youth ages.

You are the same person that says it's not cheating. Very precise and unable to understand the spirit of things.

Think he is talking about recent NCAA legislation to ban recruiting or even talking to players prior to Sept 1 Junior year. That includes talking to the players club coaches . Went into effect April 26. You will no longer hear about any 9th or 10th grade commitments this year or in future . The only commitments you will hear from now on this year will be class of 2018 and on Sept 1 Class of 2019 commits.

This takes away the critical 8th grade year as so important for recruiting 9th graders. That recruiting of 9th graders in many respects helped fuel the fire for getting any advantage for your child at 8th grade down. Club Directors were biggest proponents of we need grade based players to show college coaches 9th graders for recruiting.

Well all that is gone now. But I am sure there will be new excuses for grade base without age restritions. Hopefully some sanity comes back to youth club. But the money grab bag is out there. That will be hard to stop.

Wonder how the lacrosse world will survive without the constant talk of 9th grade commits ( over 100 this year) and 10th grade commits ( over 250) ..the Horror the Horror..

Anyone seen any games? Just wondering because this is some tired s++T.
Dont fight your battles here fight them with the teams and leagues. What a waste of time.
This is probably the same guy writing back to himself.

Nevermind

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What legislation are you talking about? Nothing has been passed about youth ages.

You are the same person that says it's not cheating. Very precise and unable to understand the spirit of things.

Think he is talking about recent NCAA legislation to ban recruiting or even talking to players prior to Sept 1 Junior year. That includes talking to the players club coaches . Went into effect April 26. You will no longer hear about any 9th or 10th grade commitments this year or in future . The only commitments you will hear from now on this year will be class of 2018 and on Sept 1 Class of 2019 commits.

This takes away the critical 8th grade year as so important for recruiting 9th graders. That recruiting of 9th graders in many respects helped fuel the fire for getting any advantage for your child at 8th grade down. Club Directors were biggest proponents of we need grade based players to show college coaches 9th graders for recruiting.

Well all that is gone now. But I am sure there will be new excuses for grade base without age restritions. Hopefully some sanity comes back to youth club. But the money grab bag is out there. That will be hard to stop.

Wonder how the lacrosse world will survive without the constant talk of 9th grade commits ( over 100 this year) and 10th grade commits ( over 250) ..the Horror the Horror..

I don't think lacrosse parents of private school kids that either repeated or did pre-1st really care if they change youth to age, but they do care when kids are criticized while playing under the current rules. Most would probably push their kids up a bracket if the talent got diluted, but right now, the AA divisions are so competitive, there is no need to play outside of grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What legislation are you talking about? Nothing has been passed about youth ages.

You are the same person that says it's not cheating. Very precise and unable to understand the spirit of things.

Think he is talking about recent NCAA legislation to ban recruiting or even talking to players prior to Sept 1 Junior year. That includes talking to the players club coaches . Went into effect April 26. You will no longer hear about any 9th or 10th grade commitments this year or in future . The only commitments you will hear from now on this year will be class of 2018 and on Sept 1 Class of 2019 commits.

This takes away the critical 8th grade year as so important for recruiting 9th graders. That recruiting of 9th graders in many respects helped fuel the fire for getting any advantage for your child at 8th grade down. Club Directors were biggest proponents of we need grade based players to show college coaches 9th graders for recruiting.

Well all that is gone now. But I am sure there will be new excuses for grade base without age restritions. Hopefully some sanity comes back to youth club. But the money grab bag is out there. That will be hard to stop.

Wonder how the lacrosse world will survive without the constant talk of 9th grade commits ( over 100 this year) and 10th grade commits ( over 250) ..the Horror the Horror..

just an FYI, College coaches are not banned from speaking with HS or Club coaches prior to 9/1 Junior yr. They may not use said HS/club coaches to communicate offers etc. But the can call the kids coach to ask if he's a hard worker, gets good grades etc.

Why is there no medics at the games?

I think it was a really good point to let people know that the college coaches are allowed and still will look at the 8th to 10th graders. And they will still be reaching out to the club coach and high school coach to see what schools and what the kids grades are like. So with the old rule you could tell the club owner to hit the bricks the second you got on 10 or so D1 coaches radar. Now with the new rule you will be under the club owners thumb all the way up tell Sept. 1st of your sons Jr. year. You will have to take his word that X amount of coaches have called and asked about your son. You will have to guess if he is telling the truth when he said Maryland really like your Johnny and they want him bad. This new rule will also force you to pay for and attend way more school run prospect days. And how will you know which prospect days your son should attend? You might be told by a coach or club owner your kid is D1 material but on Sept 1 you will be getting no phone calls and you just spent the last three years sending your son to 3 or 4 D1 prospect days a year. You have not even looked at a D2 or D3 school. This rule is not good for the kids its good for the D1 college coaches and the money they will be pulling in from the camps and Prospect days. Please check back on here when you emails are being filled with 71 different schools camp or prospect day emails. And please fill me in on how you know which one to send your kid too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was a really good point to let people know that the college coaches are allowed and still will look at the 8th to 10th graders. And they will still be reaching out to the club coach and high school coach to see what schools and what the kids grades are like. So with the old rule you could tell the club owner to hit the bricks the second you got on 10 or so D1 coaches radar. Now with the new rule you will be under the club owners thumb all the way up tell Sept. 1st of your sons Jr. year. You will have to take his word that X amount of coaches have called and asked about your son. You will have to guess if he is telling the truth when he said Maryland really like your Johnny and they want him bad. This new rule will also force you to pay for and attend way more school run prospect days. And how will you know which prospect days your son should attend? You might be told by a coach or club owner your kid is D1 material but on Sept 1 you will be getting no phone calls and you just spent the last three years sending your son to 3 or 4 D1 prospect days a year. You have not even looked at a D2 or D3 school. This rule is not good for the kids its good for the D1 college coaches and the money they will be pulling in from the camps and Prospect days. Please check back on here when you emails are being filled with 71 different schools camp or prospect day emails. And please fill me in on how you know which one to send your kid too?

If you don't trust your club coach maybe your son shouldn't be playing for him. A more objective source will be the HS coaches who can now be more involved. In Maryland the litmus test might be if your are a sophmore and a varsity contributor on MIAA A conference team or if public school a varsity starter and among the best at your position in your county - then pretty good bet your kid can play D1 at some level. That said Pat Spencer was on JV as a soph and look at him now.

So was the Team88+3 owner kicked out or not? If not, someone should sue HoCo,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there no medics at the games?

Hoco rules
"Incidents / Injuries

• Games played on HCRP sites will have a Conference supplied Scorekeeper/Field Supervisor on duty. All Incidents/Injuries should be reported to this employee for documentation.

• Games played on facilities outside of Howard County should report all Incidents/Injuries to the Conference Commissioner within 24 hours of the scheduled game."

"• Each team must have a first aid kit, Ice (either fresh or chemical cold packs), and a container of Bleach - use on equipment in case of a bleeding injury. "

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Knowing the distraction police will converge: has your son played for a crabs team (for a season, not the phony thing flat brim does in the summer); and has a crabs representative asked that your son repeat a grade? I say no way that has happened.

absolutely happened, kids asked to repeat 8th

A parent of a former 2020 Crab player told me that they were told by the coaches that their son couldn't stay with the Crabs but he would have to repeat a grade and move to the 2021 team. Now, maybe that parent was lying, but this is what they told me. They also said the reason was there were kids joining the 2020 team that had previously been on their 2019 team. That is pure craziness, people repeating a grade just to look better than they are in youth lacrosse.

the year Crabs 2020 beat 91 Crush at the Beach Lax final, there were about 5 kids from the 2019 team who came down and played that day. When 8th grade finishes school that's when they can reclass and switch teams.

Crabs coaches have most definitely encouraged families to reclass their kid.

The fact that any of you are surprised by this is laughable.

Its laughable and sad as RM and Crabs are one of the drivers for the mess we have now called grade based club lacrosse. Letting select kids play down prior to school teams is wrong. Listen to his interview in with Balt channel 2 " in the crease" . Snake oil salesman at its finest.

What is worse in that particular instance, the TRUE 2020 Crabs team and the Crabs organization was embarrassed on national TV by 91 Crush when the Crabs were forced to play with on age kids . Who does it really benefit , in this case certainly not the on age kids or the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was a really good point to let people know that the college coaches are allowed and still will look at the 8th to 10th graders. And they will still be reaching out to the club coach and high school coach to see what schools and what the kids grades are like. So with the old rule you could tell the club owner to hit the bricks the second you got on 10 or so D1 coaches radar. Now with the new rule you will be under the club owners thumb all the way up tell Sept. 1st of your sons Jr. year. You will have to take his word that X amount of coaches have called and asked about your son. You will have to guess if he is telling the truth when he said Maryland really like your Johnny and they want him bad. This new rule will also force you to pay for and attend way more school run prospect days. And how will you know which prospect days your son should attend? You might be told by a coach or club owner your kid is D1 material but on Sept 1 you will be getting no phone calls and you just spent the last three years sending your son to 3 or 4 D1 prospect days a year. You have not even looked at a D2 or D3 school. This rule is not good for the kids its good for the D1 college coaches and the money they will be pulling in from the camps and Prospect days. Please check back on here when you emails are being filled with 71 different schools camp or prospect day emails. And please fill me in on how you know which one to send your kid too?

What a doomsday scenario?? Why are they asking the club coaches so much about grades and what kind of kid he is??? The High School coach will be the go to guy?? High school coaches will be a better person to know as they will have 1 to 2 years with the player and his school.

I see Club Coaches losing influence not gaining. As it was, you better be on a good club team with influence to get recognized in 8th and 9th grade. What a joke the club youth system is now. Constant Holdbacks, 3rd thru 8th grade players not playing other sports due to not wanting to miss out on the important 8th and 9th grade recruitment years.

Club coaches will have some say but only some. Nothing like they have now with all this ER. I see sanity coming back to Club lacrosse. It will not be important until 9th grade. Best College teams and coaches will wait and look at 9th and 10 graders as they will be in in drivers seat for getting best players. There is only 12.6 scholarships..that isnt changing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was a really good point to let people know that the college coaches are allowed and still will look at the 8th to 10th graders. And they will still be reaching out to the club coach and high school coach to see what schools and what the kids grades are like. So with the old rule you could tell the club owner to hit the bricks the second you got on 10 or so D1 coaches radar. Now with the new rule you will be under the club owners thumb all the way up tell Sept. 1st of your sons Jr. year. You will have to take his word that X amount of coaches have called and asked about your son. You will have to guess if he is telling the truth when he said Maryland really like your Johnny and they want him bad. This new rule will also force you to pay for and attend way more school run prospect days. And how will you know which prospect days your son should attend? You might be told by a coach or club owner your kid is D1 material but on Sept 1 you will be getting no phone calls and you just spent the last three years sending your son to 3 or 4 D1 prospect days a year. You have not even looked at a D2 or D3 school. This rule is not good for the kids its good for the D1 college coaches and the money they will be pulling in from the camps and Prospect days. Please check back on here when you emails are being filled with 71 different schools camp or prospect day emails. And please fill me in on how you know which one to send your kid too?

What a doomsday scenario?? Why are they asking the club coaches so much about grades and what kind of kid he is??? The High School coach will be the go to guy?? High school coaches will be a better person to know as they will have 1 to 2 years with the player and his school.

I see Club Coaches losing influence not gaining. As it was, you better be on a good club team with influence to get recognized in 8th and 9th grade. What a joke the club youth system is now. Constant Holdbacks, 3rd thru 8th grade players not playing other sports due to not wanting to miss out on the important 8th and 9th grade recruitment years.

Club coaches will have some say but only some. Nothing like they have now with all this ER. I see sanity coming back to Club lacrosse. It will not be important until 9th grade. Best College teams and coaches will wait and look at 9th and 10 graders as they will be in in drivers seat for getting best players. There is only 12.6 scholarships..that isnt changing

I disagree about the interest or willingness of HS coaches to get too much more involved in the recruiting process than they are already at. Most of them hold down teaching jobs at the schools that they coach, or if hired in a Public School setting, likely have full time jobs outside of their school coaching assignment. The club system has actually lifted a burden from most HS coaches, who by and large are pleased to be a part of a shared approach to the matter. Until proven otherwise, I remain convinced that this plays into the hands of the college coaches and their pecuniary and lifestyle interests, and those of clubs that have built up over the course of the past 10 years a decent working relationship with the coaching community. It was a blatant power grab by the coaching associations, and even they do not understand what the downstream ramifications of all this will actually be. One thing though that will not be compromised and those are the established pipeline connections that have been established, e.g. Boys Latin, Crabs, ACC/BIG/Service Academies. That's just our area. These same pipelines have been established in Long Island, PA, and emerging in the Midwest and West Coast. There is a place and purpose for everyone in this process though the details of the new cooperative model, will take some time to evolve. Must my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there no medics at the games?

That is a great question! The HOCO rules require each team to be properly credentialed and wearing ID badges (no one does), and ALSO bring a medical kit to the games with them. In the three years that my son has played in HOCO, I have only observe one team, at the 2021 "B" level carry a medical bag, as required to the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there no medics at the games?

That is a great question! The HOCO rules require each team to be properly credentialed and wearing ID badges (no one does), and ALSO bring a medical kit to the games with them. In the three years that my son has played in HOCO, I have only observe one team, at the 2021 "B" level carry a medical bag, as required to the game.

Medics at youth lacrosse games? Where does this happen? On our team, the first aid kit is carried by the team mom, a parent or the coaches' significant other. Some tournaments have trainers but there is rarely medics on site for any youth sport -especially league play. Do you really expect a league to test each coach to see if they have their first aid kit? Our coaches need to look out for the best interest of their players-not expect someone else to do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there no medics at the games?

That is a great question! The HOCO rules require each team to be properly credentialed and wearing ID badges (no one does), and ALSO bring a medical kit to the games with them. In the three years that my son has played in HOCO, I have only observe one team, at the 2021 "B" level carry a medical bag, as required to the game.

Medics at youth lacrosse games? Where does this happen? On our team, the first aid kit is carried by the team mom, a parent or the coaches' significant other. Some tournaments have trainers but there is rarely medics on site for any youth sport -especially league play. Do you really expect a league to test each coach to see if they have their first aid kit? Our coaches need to look out for the best interest of their players-not expect someone else to do it.

When there is 3 games going on at one time in 5 different locations it should be the leagues policy to have some type of medic/trainer/emt
at each site. This league is like no other in the country and each weekend is run like a tournament. This past weekend several kids where hurt badly and coaches , refs and parents had to make real medical decisions about kids that where not moving on the ground. It also took 20 mins in one of the cases. Of course coaches should have to required kit on the sideline but to say the league should check Coaches for proper ID badges and medical kit. They should also have at least 1 qualified trainer and each facility. So yes I really expect it!

Who's in and who's out in the HOCO 2023AA playoffs?

Happy Mothers Day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's in and who's out in the HOCO 2023AA playoffs?

a few MD teams and possible VA as well.

Did Mark Millon get ejected from 2024 game today? What did he do this time?

Looking at all the of HoCo top leagues for each age, here is how the clubs with more than 3 team represented did:

Bethesda/DC Express (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Hawks (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Crabs (4 Top Level Teams) - 58% Win Percentage
Madlax (6 Top Level Teams) - 55% Win Percentage
Team 91 MD (5 Top Level Teams) - 53% Win Percentage
FCA (4 Top Level Teams) - 42% Win Percentage
Looney's (5 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Diamondbacks API/Arden (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Next Level (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage

Club Blue. Rough Riders, Greene Turtle, Lax Factory, Kooper's, Bitmore, and Breakers had one or two top level teams as misc. age levels.

Pretty clear who the top 2 Clubs are / top to bottom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear who the top 2 Clubs are / top to bottom.

Crabs and Madlax without a doubt!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at all the of HoCo top leagues for each age, here is how the clubs with more than 3 team represented did:

Bethesda/DC Express (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Hawks (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Crabs (4 Top Level Teams) - 58% Win Percentage
Madlax (6 Top Level Teams) - 55% Win Percentage
Team 91 MD (5 Top Level Teams) - 53% Win Percentage
FCA (4 Top Level Teams) - 42% Win Percentage
Looney's (5 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Diamondbacks API/Arden (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Next Level (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage

Club Blue. Rough Riders, Greene Turtle, Lax Factory, Kooper's, Bitmore, and Breakers had one or two top level teams as misc. age levels.

I don't know whether to be really impressed, or just feel sorry for whoever took the time to calculate these percentages. Somebody has way too much time on their hands. Programs can fluctuate a lot from year to year. Win percentages don't tell you anything. Bethesda 2021, Hawks 2022, Crabs 2023, Madlax 2024 have dominated. But we can all agree that Team 91 MD just sucks, and always will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Mark Millon get ejected from 2024 game today? What did he do this time?

Yes, have not heard the details of why, but his team was winning by quite a few points. My question is will HOCO enforce their rules and make him sit out a game this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at all the of HoCo top leagues for each age, here is how the clubs with more than 3 team represented did:

Bethesda/DC Express (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Hawks (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Crabs (4 Top Level Teams) - 58% Win Percentage
Madlax (6 Top Level Teams) - 55% Win Percentage
Team 91 MD (5 Top Level Teams) - 53% Win Percentage
FCA (4 Top Level Teams) - 42% Win Percentage
Looney's (5 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Diamondbacks API/Arden (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Next Level (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage

Club Blue. Rough Riders, Greene Turtle, Lax Factory, Kooper's, Bitmore, and Breakers had one or two top level teams as misc. age levels.

I don't know whether to be really impressed, or just feel sorry for whoever took the time to calculate these percentages. Somebody has way too much time on their hands. Programs can fluctuate a lot from year to year. Win percentages don't tell you anything. Bethesda 2021, Hawks 2022, Crabs 2023, Madlax 2024 have dominated. But we can all agree that Team 91 MD just sucks, and always will.

All clubs have good and bad teams and good and bad coaches. In general, the good clubs have good coaches and perform better on the field. The clubs with the most top level teams (all 6 ages) are likely the best are recruiting good coaches at all ages. Likewise the teams that win more games at the top level are likely doing a good job also. Its good info for someone not familiar with clubs on where to start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at all the of HoCo top leagues for each age, here is how the clubs with more than 3 team represented did:

Bethesda/DC Express (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Hawks (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Crabs (4 Top Level Teams) - 58% Win Percentage
Madlax (6 Top Level Teams) - 55% Win Percentage
Team 91 MD (5 Top Level Teams) - 53% Win Percentage
FCA (4 Top Level Teams) - 42% Win Percentage
Looney's (5 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Diamondbacks API/Arden (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Next Level (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage

Club Blue. Rough Riders, Greene Turtle, Lax Factory, Kooper's, Bitmore, and Breakers had one or two top level teams as misc. age levels.

Your win percentage at life is 0%. Your fail percentage at life is 100%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at all the of HoCo top leagues for each age, here is how the clubs with more than 3 team represented did:

Bethesda/DC Express (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Hawks (6 Top Level Teams) - 75% Win Percentage
Crabs (4 Top Level Teams) - 58% Win Percentage
Madlax (6 Top Level Teams) - 55% Win Percentage
Team 91 MD (5 Top Level Teams) - 53% Win Percentage
FCA (4 Top Level Teams) - 42% Win Percentage
Looney's (5 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Diamondbacks API/Arden (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage
Next Level (4 Top Level Teams) - 33% Win Percentage

Club Blue. Rough Riders, Greene Turtle, Lax Factory, Kooper's, Bitmore, and Breakers had one or two top level teams as misc. age levels.

Your win percentage at life is 0%. Your fail percentage at life is 100%.

We need a having fun percentage.

I thought I had seen it all but this one takes the cake. Find a hobby or job!

Thanks for the info. It is interesting to see how the organizations align over age groups. Since this is a massive economic investment by many families it is good to see which organizations are putting forth a consistent effort.

It was also nice to see someone post something not hateful and ignorant for a change on an anonymous chat board.

back to:
"Hold backs always bad"
"MM sucks dd"
"9one blows"
"Madlax hates kids"
"You Mama"

hold backs always bad
MM does a great video(but he be a little crazy)
Madlax its about the money(he loves kids)
Hold backs are cheaters
crabs over rated
Hawks zone over rated
Paid coaches OVER RATED
Montgomery co lax under rated
GO BACK to BIRTHDAYS PLEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!
great year in HOCO thank you howard co for great fields

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hold backs always bad
MM does a great video(but he be a little crazy)
Madlax its about the money(he loves kids)
Hold backs are cheaters
crabs over rated
Hawks zone over rated
Paid coaches OVER RATED
Montgomery co lax under rated
GO BACK to BIRTHDAYS PLEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!
great year in HOCO thank you howard co for great fields

That's about all you can thank HoCo for. They do have nice fields.

I think many on this board should read the article below and understand what youth sports is really about; THE KIDS AND HAVING FUN!

http://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/parents-enjoy-the-moment

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hold backs always bad
MM does a great video(but he be a little crazy)
Madlax its about the money(he loves kids)
Hold backs are cheaters
crabs over rated
Hawks zone over rated
Paid coaches OVER RATED
Montgomery co lax under rated
GO BACK to BIRTHDAYS PLEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!
great year in HOCO thank you howard co for great fields

That's about all you can thank HoCo for. They do have nice fields.

Nice fields and the Refs in general are way better than you'll see at any summer tournament. My only complaint is the season is too short. All teams should play each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hold backs always bad
MM does a great video(but he be a little crazy)
Madlax its about the money(he loves kids)
Hold backs are cheaters
crabs over rated
Hawks zone over rated
Paid coaches OVER RATED
Montgomery co lax under rated
GO BACK to BIRTHDAYS PLEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!
great year in HOCO thank you howard co for great fields

That's about all you can thank HoCo for. They do have nice fields.

Nice fields and the Refs in general are way better than you'll see at any summer tournament. My only complaint is the season is too short. All teams should play each other.

If your team wants more games why not play in Sat league at St Pauls. Midweek games would come at expense of practice and would mean battling Baltimore and DC beltways at rush hour

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hold backs always bad
MM does a great video(but he be a little crazy)
Madlax its about the money(he loves kids)
Hold backs are cheaters
crabs over rated
Hawks zone over rated
Paid coaches OVER RATED
Montgomery co lax under rated
GO BACK to BIRTHDAYS PLEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!
great year in HOCO thank you howard co for great fields

That's about all you can thank HoCo for. They do have nice fields.

Nice fields and the Refs in general are way better than you'll see at any summer tournament. My only complaint is the season is too short. All teams should play each other.

If your team wants more games why not play in Sat league at St Pauls. Midweek games would come at expense of practice and would mean battling Baltimore and DC beltways at rush hour

St Pauls competition level is all over the place. Lots of games of totally mismatched competition that weren't good for anyone. There's no guarantee you'd play the teams you missed in hoco either which you need to eliminate so many of the tiebreakers that came up this year.

Agree that 6 games is not enough. There were many cases where there was one team in a division that went winless. Teams that played that team in a lot of cases finished one game ahead of a team that they didn't play and that also didn't play that winless team. If they are going to keep it at 6 games then they should expand the playoffs. THey are having all these consolation games this weekend. Why not just let them all play in play in games since the standings are skewed based on schedule?

Madlax and BLC have their semifinal game on Sat and winner plays in championship game on Sunday; 9d1 and Hawks have their semifinal game on Sunday and winner plays in championship game a couple hours later against winner of Madlax/BLC. How is this fair to winner of 9d1/Hawks game??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and BLC have their semifinal game on Sat and winner plays in championship game on Sunday; 9d1 and Hawks have their semifinal game on Sunday and winner plays in championship game a couple hours later against winner of Madlax/BLC. How is this fair to winner of 9d1/Hawks game??

Get over it, Mark. Aren't you suspended this weekend anyway? You really need to get medicated. Just fly in some kids from Texas. HoCo will never catch you. I know it must be really tough for you to lose to that 9th grader so many times. You will try anything to get your first win against them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree that 6 games is not enough. There were many cases where there was one team in a division that went winless. Teams that played that team in a lot of cases finished one game ahead of a team that they didn't play and that also didn't play that winless team. If they are going to keep it at 6 games then they should expand the playoffs. THey are having all these consolation games this weekend. Why not just let them all play in play in games since the standings are skewed based on schedule?

If more AA and A teams played then they could have multiple divisions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and BLC have their semifinal game on Sat and winner plays in championship game on Sunday; 9d1 and Hawks have their semifinal game on Sunday and winner plays in championship game a couple hours later against winner of Madlax/BLC. How is this fair to winner of 9d1/Hawks game??

Get over it, Mark. Aren't you suspended this weekend anyway? You really need to get medicated. Just fly in some kids from Texas. HoCo will never catch you. I know it must be really tough for you to lose to that 9th grader so many times. You will try anything to get your first win against them.

Hahahahahahaha

HoCo championship day winners at all the highest levels of competition for each age:
Hawks - 2 Championships 2 Runner Ups
Bethesda - 1 Championship, 3 Runner Ups
Crabs - 1 Championship, 1 Runner Up
Club Blue - 1 Championship
Madlax - 1 Championship

Great games played all day.

Thanks to Derrick Thompson, Derek Ludlow, and Allan Harden for running the toughest and best spring league in the country!.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo championship day winners at all the highest levels of competition for each age:
Hawks - 2 Championships 2 Runner Ups
Bethesda - 1 Championship, 3 Runner Ups
Crabs - 1 Championship, 1 Runner Up
Club Blue - 1 Championship
Madlax - 1 Championship

Great games played all day.

Thanks to Derrick Thompson, Derek Ludlow, and Allan Harden for running the toughest and best spring league in the country!.

Wow. 6 D.C./Bethesda teams from 3 clubs in the championship games and only two from Baltimore. What city is the hitbed?

Battle of the hold backs don't mention the AA,A and B brackets just elite holdback cheater brackets...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the hold backs don't mention the AA,A and B brackets just elite holdback cheater brackets...

It's hard to focus on the lower brackets when any one of the upper bracket teams can play down to chase trophies.

FYI, the madlax vs Bethesda 2024 was played on Sunday morning, not Saturday as listed on the HOCO website. So it was fair after all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the hold backs don't mention the AA,A and B brackets just elite holdback cheater brackets...

It's hard to focus on the lower brackets when any one of the upper bracket teams can play down to chase trophies.

My son is not a holdback ! Sorry your son didn't make the cut to the Elite level.

Somebody should post the Hawks dad to Instagram. Remember when the Hawks program used its official Instagram account to shame and publicly humiliate the Sweetlax kid. So that's how the Hawks program rolls. Berate kids, but the parents get a pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the hold backs don't mention the AA,A and B brackets just elite holdback cheater brackets...

You're foolish to think there aren't just as many holdbacks on the AA, A and B teams. Go ahead and post up your list of the other brackets' winners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the hold backs don't mention the AA,A and B brackets just elite holdback cheater brackets...

You're foolish to think there aren't just as many holdbacks on the AA, A and B teams. Go ahead and post up your list of the other brackets' winners.

Post away, no one is stopping you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody should post the Hawks dad to Instagram. Remember when the Hawks program used its official Instagram account to shame and publicly humiliate the Sweetlax kid. So that's how the Hawks program rolls. Berate kids, but the parents get a pass.

Hilarious video. But seriously - Any coach, ref, or player that encourages or allows unsportsmanlike play like that deserves to be called out. Everyone saw what was going on and did nothing. That was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the hold backs don't mention the AA,A and B brackets just elite holdback cheater brackets...

You're foolish to think there aren't just as many holdbacks on the AA, A and B teams. Go ahead and post up your list of the other brackets' winners.

Post away, no one is stopping you.

Yes please let us know of every single player that is following the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody should post the Hawks dad to Instagram. Remember when the Hawks program used its official Instagram account to shame and publicly humiliate the Sweetlax kid. So that's how the Hawks program rolls. Berate kids, but the parents get a pass.

Hilarious video. But seriously - Any coach, ref, or player that encourages or allows unsportsmanlike play like that deserves to be called out. Everyone saw what was going on and did nothing. That was ridiculous.

Yes, funny video that I am sure was not meant to harm. Videos are posted daily with that type of stuff. Keep hating and roll on !

Congrats to the MPLL (Koopers, St. Pauls) Champs:
2021 - Greene Turtle
2022 - Rough Riders
2023 - Looney's
2024 - T 9-1 MD
2025 - T 9-1 MD

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Somebody should post the Hawks dad to Instagram. Remember when the Hawks program used its official Instagram account to shame and publicly humiliate the Sweetlax kid. So that's how the Hawks program rolls. Berate kids, but the parents get a pass.

What did the Hawks dad do and what did Hawks to Sweetlax kid, not doubting, just unaware of the story

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

This is how you spent your 4th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Would you mind adding the average annual cost to these teams? That would be interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Would you mind adding the average annual cost to these teams? That would be interesting.

Maybe that's how he will spend his Labor Day, getting that info typed out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Would you mind adding the average annual cost to these teams? That would be interesting.

Maybe that's how he will spend his Labor Day, getting that info typed out.

Need before then - get on it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Would you mind adding the average annual cost to these teams? That would be interesting.

The cost or teams is typically $1000 to $2000 depending on the number of tournaments and leagues they do. 2 leagues and 5 tournaments are $2000. 1 league and 3 tournaments are $1000. Some clubs will charge the $1000 initially then nickel and dime you on additional tournaments, gear, skill sessions, etc. - not necessarily bad if you know that going into it.

The number 1 priority is finding the right coach because they vary hugely club to club and even age to age within clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Would you mind adding the average annual cost to these teams? That would be interesting.

The cost or teams is typically $1000 to $2000 depending on the number of tournaments and leagues they do. 2 leagues and 5 tournaments are $2000. 1 league and 3 tournaments are $1000. Some clubs will charge the $1000 initially then nickel and dime you on additional tournaments, gear, skill sessions, etc. - not necessarily bad if you know that going into it.

The number 1 priority is finding the right coach because they vary hugely club to club and even age to age within clubs.

Finding the right coach is key.

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are starting in a month for some clubs. Sign up now. Here is a breakdown of the clubs by county and what Tier of the HoCo league the best teams in each age play in (AA/Elite = Tier 1, B = Tier 3, etc.). Sorry if I left any clubs off. Please feel free to add or correct locations. This is just to help the parents find the best fit for their kid.

Baltimore County:
Crabs - Tier 1, with 4 Teams
Looneys - Tier 1.1, with 9 Teams
Team 91 - Tier 1.1, with 6 Teams
FCA - Tier 1.2, with 6 Teams
Coppermine - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Greene Turtle - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Rock - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams (Also [lacrosse] County)
Koopers - Tier 2.4, with 6 Teams
Lax World - Tier 2.5, with 4 Teams
Wolfpack - Tier 2.7, with 6 Teams
Breakers - Tier 2.8, with 5 Teams
Redshirts - Tier 3, with 1 Teams
Hereford - Tier 3.2, with 4 Teams
Team 42 - Tier 3.5, with 2 Teams

Anne Arundel County:
Annapolis Hawks - Tier 1, with 9 Teams
Diamondbacks - Tier 1.3, with 7 Teams
Peninsula (PLC) - Tier 2.3, with 7 Teams
Rockfish - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams
Green Hornets / Swarm - Tier 2.7, with 4 Teams
Sidewinders - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams
Maryland Wild - Tier 4, with 2 Teams

Montgomery County:
Madlax - Tier 1, with 9 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Bethesda / DC Express - Tier 1, with 12 Teams
Club Blue - Tier 1.3, with 3 Teams (Also Fairfax County)
Next Level - Tier 1.3, with 8 Teams
MD Xtreme - Tier 3.3, with 4 Teams

Howard County
Rough Riders - Tier 1.6, with 5 Teams
HoCo - Tier 2.6, with 6 Teams
Zingos - Tier 2.8, with 6 Teams

Calvert County
Cannons - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Carroll County
Gonzo - Tier 2.6, with 3 Teams

Fairfax County
VLC - Tier 2, with 2 Teams

Frederick County
Lax Factory - Tier 2, with 5 Teams

Harford County
Thunder / Maverick - Tier 2.3, with 3 Teams
Starz - Tier 4, with 1 Teams

Loudon County
3D - Tier 2, with 4 Teams
Cavalier - Tier 3, with 5 Teams

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Tier 3, with 2 Teams

Queen Anne's County
USS Cutters - Tier 2, with 1 Teams
Chesapeake Storm - Tier 2.6, with 4 Teams

Talbot County
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lion Heart

[lacrosse] PA County
Chaos

Would you mind adding the average annual cost to these teams? That would be interesting.

The cost or teams is typically $1000 to $2000 depending on the number of tournaments and leagues they do. 2 leagues and 5 tournaments are $2000. 1 league and 3 tournaments are $1000. Some clubs will charge the $1000 initially then nickel and dime you on additional tournaments, gear, skill sessions, etc. - not necessarily bad if you know that going into it.

The number 1 priority is finding the right coach because they vary hugely club to club and even age to age within clubs.

Many clubs don't publish the costs up front because they have different costs for different players. Some of the better kids receive discount "scholarships". Other clubs just prefer to hit you will the bill after your kid is so excited he made the team, that you can't tell him no.

Looks like the Lax World Club team has the jump on tryouts - 8/1 start!

Actually Redshirts has theirs earlier on 7/22, but they are only for the younger 2024-2027 kids

10 Others start 8/5 - 8/11

12 Others start 8/12 - 8/18

The summer vacation window keeps getting smaller and smaller every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the Lax World Club team has the jump on tryouts - 8/1 start!

Actually Redshirts has theirs earlier on 7/22, but they are only for the younger 2024-2027 kids

10 Others start 8/5 - 8/11

12 Others start 8/12 - 8/18

The summer vacation window keeps getting smaller and smaller every year.

The Redshirts have Myles Jones coming to their tryouts on 7/30 at UMBC. That's pretty cool. They also said they were the US branch of the Edge Canada club who is usually really good. I'd never heard that. It's just for the younger kids though 2024-2027.

The coolest thing about the lax world club LWLC tryouts starting on 8/1 is that they are at historic Norris field where the best players played for Mt Washington Tavern after college prior to the MLL coming along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coolest thing about the lax world club LWLC tryouts starting on 8/1 is that they are at historic Norris field where the best players played for Mt Washington Tavern after college prior to the MLL coming along.

That's cool unless you've actually been to Norris field lately. That's really the best place they could get to host tryouts? With the rain today they will still be muddy and soggy come tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Redshirts have Myles Jones coming to their tryouts on 7/30 at UMBC. That's pretty cool. They also said they were the US branch of the Edge Canada club who is usually really good. I'd never heard that. It's just for the younger kids though 2024-2027.

That will be believed when Jones is actually seen by the naked eye at tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the Lax World Club team has the jump on tryouts - 8/1 start!

Actually Redshirts has theirs earlier on 7/22, but they are only for the younger 2024-2027 kids

10 Others start 8/5 - 8/11

12 Others start 8/12 - 8/18

The summer vacation window keeps getting smaller and smaller every year.

The Redshirts have Myles Jones coming to their tryouts on 7/30 at UMBC. That's pretty cool. They also said they were the US branch of the Edge Canada club who is usually really good. I'd never heard that. It's just for the younger kids though 2024-2027.

He's there because they paid him to be. He won't be involved with the teams in any way though they will tell you different.

Also, Redshirts has absolutely zero affiliation with Edge Canada. Just more lies by George.

Buyer beware

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coolest thing about the lax world club LWLC tryouts starting on 8/1 is that they are at historic Norris field where the best players played for Mt Washington Tavern after college prior to the MLL coming along.

That's cool unless you've actually been to Norris field lately. That's really the best place they could get to host tryouts? With the rain today they will still be muddy and soggy come tryouts

I heard coppermine bought Norris and was making it nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coolest thing about the lax world club LWLC tryouts starting on 8/1 is that they are at historic Norris field where the best players played for Mt Washington Tavern after college prior to the MLL coming along.

That's cool unless you've actually been to Norris field lately. That's really the best place they could get to host tryouts? With the rain today they will still be muddy and soggy come tryouts

I heard coppermine bought Norris and was making it nice.

By Tuesday?

Lots of Clubs starting tryouts in the upcoming week:

Anne Arundel County
Peninsula (PLC) - 8/6 - Severn School - Tier 2.3
Rockfish - 8/5 - Old Mill High, Millersville, MD - Tier 2.7
Maryland Wild - 8/5 - Mitchellville Fields, Bowie, MD - Tier 4

Baltimore County
Team 91 - 8/5 - St. Paul’s - Tier 1.2
FCA - 8/6 - Calvert Hall - Tier 1.2

Howard County
Roughriders - 8/6 - Troy Park - Tier 1.6
HoCo - 8/5 - Cedar Lane Park - Tier 2.7
Zingos - 8/5 - Blandair Park - Tier 2.8

Northern Virginia
3D - 8/8 - Morven Park, Leesburg - Tier 2

Kent Island
USS - 8/5 - Edge Arena - Tier 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Clubs starting tryouts in the upcoming week:

Anne Arundel County
Peninsula (PLC) - 8/6 - Severn School - Tier 2.3
Rockfish - 8/5 - Old Mill High, Millersville, MD - Tier 2.7
Maryland Wild - 8/5 - Mitchellville Fields, Bowie, MD - Tier 4

Baltimore County
Team 91 - 8/5 - St. Paul’s - Tier 1.2
FCA - 8/6 - Calvert Hall - Tier 1.2

Howard County
Roughriders - 8/6 - Troy Park - Tier 1.6
HoCo - 8/5 - Cedar Lane Park - Tier 2.7
Zingos - 8/5 - Blandair Park - Tier 2.8

Northern Virginia
3D - 8/8 - Morven Park, Leesburg - Tier 2

Kent Island
USS - 8/5 - Edge Arena - Tier 2

Looneys 2023 & 2025 tryouts on 8/6 at Loyola also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

11 year old's don't have full beards!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

You're confusing Hawks dad with Millon. Millon was the one yelling at the Madlax 2024 kids and telling his kids to break their arms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

You're confusing Hawks dad with Millon. Millon was the one yelling at the Madlax 2024 kids and telling his kids to break their arms.

Didnt he also insult the kid by calling him too old during game??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

You're confusing Hawks dad with Millon. Millon was the one yelling at the Madlax 2024 kids and telling his kids to break their arms.

Actually both Millon and Hawks dad did it. Hawks dad sitting top corner of bleacher kept yelling "at least our kids are only 11." Old stuff. Nobody cares anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

can someone post a link to this video. I was unaware as well.
Saw some very wacko parents this past weekend at under armor on Sunday.
Doesn't take much to figure out why the kids act like they do when the parents are crazier.

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

You're confusing Hawks dad with Millon. Millon was the one yelling at the Madlax 2024 kids and telling his kids to break their arms.

Didnt he also insult the kid by calling him too old during game??

Right after that, the kid scored, and Millon told the kid he wouldn't make it at the next level. Too funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

You're confusing Hawks dad with Millon. Millon was the one yelling at the Madlax 2024 kids and telling his kids to break their arms.

Actually both Millon and Hawks dad did it. Hawks dad sitting top corner of bleacher kept yelling "at least our kids are only 11." Old stuff. Nobody cares anymore.

Then why try to deflect from Hawks dad if nobody cares anymore?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What age Hawks dad was acting up? This is an old post from 5/24. What did the guy do?

would like to hear this story

2024. Old story. Hawks dad kept yelling stuff like let's go 11 year olds, and at least our kids are only 11, every time the Madlax middie would take a FO. Really uncool, especially since the Madlax kid is 11 just like everyone else. Probably made the Madlax kid just play harder. The kid is tough as nails and used to it by now.

You're confusing Hawks dad with Millon. Millon was the one yelling at the Madlax 2024 kids and telling his kids to break their arms.

Actually both Millon and Hawks dad did it. Hawks dad sitting top corner of bleacher kept yelling "at least our kids are only 11." Old stuff. Nobody cares anymore.

In fairness to them..He did have a beard!

I have no problem with a parent or anyone else calling out a holdback on the field. Crabs, FCA and Looneys are stacked with holdbacks - they should be called out for their cheating ways.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no problem with a parent or anyone else calling out a holdback on the field. Crabs, FCA and Looneys are stacked with holdbacks - they should be called out for their cheating ways.

You have no problem with people yelling insults at kids from the stands? And you're going to make these insults based on how a kid looks and your sideshow carnival ability to judge age while keeping in mind kids hit puberty at drastically different times? And then decide that even if the kid was born prior to 9/1 but is not cheating according to the rules of the league and the kid is just playing where the organization and league say he should play that you as the almighty judge decide he is cheating? Wasn't at this game or associated with the teams, but you are what is wrong with all youth sports today, not a kid that might be a few months older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no problem with a parent or anyone else calling out a holdback on the field. Crabs, FCA and Looneys are stacked with holdbacks - they should be called out for their cheating ways.

As a spectator, you do not engage negatively with players, coaches, referees, period. Even if you are enough of an idiot to do so, using your example, you would be yelling at a kid because you don't like a league rule, not because of anything the kid did. Calling out clubs or kids for cheating, when they are not cheating, is like us calling out your parents for cheating when they had you, because we don't like you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no problem with a parent or anyone else calling out a holdback on the field. Crabs, FCA and Looneys are stacked with holdbacks - they should be called out for their cheating ways.

You have no problem with people yelling insults at kids from the stands? And you're going to make these insults based on how a kid looks and your sideshow carnival ability to judge age while keeping in mind kids hit puberty at drastically different times? And then decide that even if the kid was born prior to 9/1 but is not cheating according to the rules of the league and the kid is just playing where the organization and league say he should play that you as the almighty judge decide he is cheating? Wasn't at this game or associated with the teams, but you are what is wrong with all youth sports today, not a kid that might be a few months older.

Yeah! What he said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no problem with a parent or anyone else calling out a holdback on the field. Crabs, FCA and Looneys are stacked with holdbacks - they should be called out for their cheating ways.

As a spectator, you do not engage negatively with players, coaches, referees, period. Even if you are enough of an idiot to do so, using your example, you would be yelling at a kid because you don't like a league rule, not because of anything the kid did. Calling out clubs or kids for cheating, when they are not cheating, is like us calling out your parents for cheating when they had you, because we don't like you.

Awesome post and very well put. No parent or coach should be yelling or taunting any kid, no matter what. And the HoCo league should not tolerate it either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no problem with a parent or anyone else calling out a holdback on the field. Crabs, FCA and Looneys are stacked with holdbacks - they should be called out for their cheating ways.

As a spectator, you do not engage negatively with players, coaches, referees, period. Even if you are enough of an idiot to do so, using your example, you would be yelling at a kid because you don't like a league rule, not because of anything the kid did. Calling out clubs or kids for cheating, when they are not cheating, is like us calling out your parents for cheating when they had you, because we don't like you.

Ha!

Have you seen the Crabs 2021 holdbacks strutting around as they run over kids two years younger? Have you seen the behavior of their owner? Have you seen the behavior of their parents? Do you really think someone on the sideline stating the obvious is going to somehow effect the well being of the kid on the field? Puhleez....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the Crabs 2021 holdbacks strutting around as they run over kids two years younger? Have you seen the behavior of their owner? Have you seen the behavior of their parents? Do you really think someone on the sideline stating the obvious is going to somehow effect the well being of the kid on the field? Puhleez....

Uh, no. We just assumed that any adult, or really anyone that graduated the first grade, would understand how to act appropriate on a sideline, and certainly wouldn't introduce the "they did it first" argument into the discussion. That's all, don't over think it, hon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the Crabs 2021 holdbacks strutting around as they run over kids two years younger? Have you seen the behavior of their owner? Have you seen the behavior of their parents? Do you really think someone on the sideline stating the obvious is going to somehow effect the well being of the kid on the field? Puhleez....

My 6 year old stopped using this type of excuse for acting out when he was 4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the Crabs 2021 holdbacks strutting around as they run over kids two years younger? Have you seen the behavior of their owner? Have you seen the behavior of their parents? Do you really think someone on the sideline stating the obvious is going to somehow effect the well being of the kid on the field? Puhleez....

I have to say I think this is how I'm leaning.... as much as I dislike the idea of yelling at kids if your whole philosophy of sports is to tell other people to stop whining then I think the holdback parents need to take their own advice. And maybe the kid is on age but I would say that many times it's blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes the age differences. And yes, it's cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the Crabs 2021 holdbacks strutting around as they run over kids two years younger? Have you seen the behavior of their owner? Have you seen the behavior of their parents? Do you really think someone on the sideline stating the obvious is going to somehow effect the well being of the kid on the field? Puhleez....

While i agree about some of these holdbacks/prefirst acting a bit arrogant at times. It still is better left to give your opinions about how wrong it is with other adults/officials/club owners etc in the right setting or conversation maybe even the parent next to you in stands. Children are still children and shouldnt be belittled by adults.

Having select children get an advantage that other children dont receive that are born on the exact same Birthday goes against everything youth sports stands for. Frankly the majority of people that have children that play lacrosse think it is just plain wrong

Howard County Recreation will always have a place as the organization that got the entire garbage of grade based lacrosse going in Maryland. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? One of the Original Directors has his kid in a MIAA school. No other reason as most holdbacks/prefirsts are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all Youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County and its Recreation Department. You have a special place in YOUTH ATHLETICS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Recreation will always have a place as the organization that got the entire garbage of grade based lacrosse going in Maryland. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? One of the Original Directors has his kid in a MIAA school. No other reason as most holdbacks/prefirsts are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all Youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County and its Recreation Department. You have a special place in YOUTH ATHLETICS.

LI started grade based lacrosse. MD followed suit. That ship sailed years ago. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Recreation will always have a place as the organization that got the entire garbage of grade based lacrosse going in Maryland. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? One of the Original Directors has his kid in a MIAA school. No other reason as most holdbacks/prefirsts are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all Youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County and its Recreation Department. You have a special place in YOUTH ATHLETICS.

LI started grade based lacrosse. MD followed suit. That ship sailed years ago. Get over it.

LI grade base actually gave them a disadvantage to MD age ( U ) based teams. Back a few years ago Sept 1 was cutoff for MD age based teams and Dec 1 or Jan 1 was cutoff for most LI schools. LI teams were 3-4 months younger than MD teams at that time. Now with MD grade base, MD teams are much older than LI teams .

Ship hasnt sailed that far from shore. Hopefully with USL along with some Clubs finally getting into act maybe the ship might change course!

Tryouts starting this week:

Anne Arundel
Hawks - 8/12 - Severn School - Tier 1
Diamondbacks 8/12- Spalding - Tier 1.3

Baltimore
Charm City - 8/14 - old Cardinal Gibbons
Crabs - 8/13 - Boys Latin - Tier 1
Looneys - 8/13 - Loyola Blakefield- Tier 1.2
Koopers - 8/12 - St Pauls - Tier 2.4
Breakers - 8/13 - Roland Park CS - Tier 2.8
Hereford - 8/12 - Hereford High - Tier 3.3
Team 42 - 8/13 - Friends - Tier 3.5
Kelly Post (2027, 2026) - 8/13 - Towson High

Frederick
Lax Factory - 8/13 - oakdale High - Tier 2
Team MD - 8/13 - Ballenger Creek

Harford
Thunder UC - 8/13 - John Carroll - Tier 2.3

Northern VA
Cavalier -8/13 - word of grace - Tier 3

Montgomery (north)
MD Xtreme - 8/12 - Obgc park - Tier 3.3

Montgomery (Bethesda)
MD Hawks (2021) - 8/13 - Georgetown Prep (former club blue 2021)

Prince Georges
PGLC - 8/17 - Dematha - Tier 3

Washington County
Lion Heart - 8/13 - St. James's

[lacrosse] Pa
Chaos - 8/13 - Penn State [lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Recreation will always have a place as the organization that got the entire garbage of grade based lacrosse going in Maryland. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? One of the Original Directors has his kid in a MIAA school. No other reason as most holdbacks/prefirsts are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all Youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County and its Recreation Department. You have a special place in YOUTH ATHLETICS.

LI started grade based lacrosse. MD followed suit. That ship sailed years ago. Get over it.

Howard County Rec starting a Grade based league had nothing to do with LI..

What is this tier ranking non-sense?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Recreation will always have a place as the organization that got the entire garbage of grade based lacrosse going in Maryland. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? One of the Original Directors has his kid in a MIAA school. No other reason as most holdbacks/prefirsts are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all Youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County and its Recreation Department. You have a special place in YOUTH ATHLETICS.

LI started grade based lacrosse. MD followed suit. That ship sailed years ago. Get over it.

Howard County Rec starting a Grade based league had nothing to do with LI..

Howard County Rec has never been grade based. They have always been by birthday. Only the HOCO club teams are grade based, not Rec.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is this tier ranking non-sense?

Average level of play of top team at each grade (tier 1 = elite/aa depending on age, tier 3 =b etc). Just a way of gauging how competitive the clubs are. Not all clubs are the same at all grades. Look at hoco website standings for last you for specific grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Recreation will always have a place as the organization that got the entire garbage of grade based lacrosse going in Maryland. Wonder who got them to start a grade based league when All their other programs and leagues are based on age. The private school influence? One of the Original Directors has his kid in a MIAA school. No other reason as most holdbacks/prefirsts are in private schools. Howard County Recreation department is the match that lit the torch of Youth holdback lacrosse in MD. Prior to this all Youth teams were age base. Hall of Shame goes to Howard County and its Recreation Department. You have a special place in YOUTH ATHLETICS.

LI started grade based lacrosse. MD followed suit. That ship sailed years ago. Get over it.

Howard County Rec starting a Grade based league had nothing to do with LI..

Howard County Rec has never been grade based. They have always been by birthday. Only the HOCO club teams are grade based, not Rec.

Howard County "Public" Recreation Department runs the HOCO league. Howard County Rec youth leagues are all age based. Even HOCO club teams used to be age base until Howard County started their grade based league. That is why it is ridiculous that this county government agency started a Grade based league to help out the private schools. Obviously the Recreation Department people had some ulterior motives for grade base.

Here are the Clubs starting tryouts this week:

Anne Arundel:
Sidewinders - 8/20 - Southern HS, Harwood MD - Tier 2.83

Baltimore
Ground Control - 8/20 - Essex CCBC - Tier 4
Coppermine - 8/19 - Norris Field - 2026 - 2028 - Tier 2
Greene Turtle - 8/20 - Loyola University - Tier 2.33
Rock - 8/20 - St. Paul's - Tier 2.33
Wolfpack - 8/20 - Concordia - Tier 2.75

Carroll
Gonzo - 8/20 - Hampstead Elementary - Tier 2.66

Montgomery
Bethesda / DC Express - 8/19 - Bullis - Tier 1
Next Level - 8/19 - Landon / Wash Episcopal - Tier 1.33

Northern VA
Madlax - 8/24 - Landon - Tier 1 (and Montgomery County)
Club Blue - 8/20 - Bishop O'Connell - Tier 1.33 (and Montgomery County)
VLC - 8/19 - George Mason University - Tier 2

Cannons tryouts start tomorrow

The late tryout teams listed above for Baltimore are typically the weakest. Hoping to pick up the kids who didn't make the better teams. It hasn't worked out for them in the past few years.

Just a few clubs still holding tryouts:

Anne Arundel
Diamondbacks - 8/27 - Archbishop Spalding, Severn MD - Tier 1.3
Sidewinders - 8/27 - Southern HS, Harwood MD - Tier 2.8

Baltimore
Ground Control - 8/27 - Essex CCBC - Tier 4
Rock - 8/27 - St. Paul's - Tier 2.3
Wolfpack - 8/27 - Concordia - Tier 2.7

Calvert
Cannons - 8/24 & 27 - Dunkirk District Park - Tier 2

Carroll
Gonzo - 8/27 - Hampstead, MD - Elementary - Tier 2.66

Frederick
Lax Factory - 8/27 - Oakdale high - Tier 2

Montgomery
Next Level - 8/26 - Landon / Wash Episcopal - Tier 1.3

Northern VA
Madlax - 8/24 & 27 - Landon - Tier 1
VLC - 8/19 - George Mason University - Tier 2
Top Caliber - 8/27 – George Mason

Prince Georges
PG Lacrosse Club - 8/26 & 27 - DeMatha/Walker Hill - Tier 3

Queen Anne’s
USS Cutters - 8/27 - Edge Arena - Tier 2

Talbot
Dark Horse - 9/10 & 17 - Easton Park, Easton MD

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

If the league should be in the hall of shame, where does that leave your son's club? I agree with your sentiment about holdbacks gaming the system, but are you saying that there is a club out there that prohibits holdbacks? If there are no U-age teams among the local clubs, implementing an age-based system in the HoCo league would be like the tail wagging the dog. I saw a very good player on my son's team, top 5 arguably at his position in MD, get cut because a handful of kids reclassed this year. He went from splitting time with another great player to left out in the cold because of reclassing. It's shameful, but the clubs allow it and I doubt a league has the clout to dictate how club teams should organize when there are so many other events that they participate in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

Too many people signing up for club at early age as a replacement for Rec. By the time your kid is ready to play club, he should be ready to play with other kids from the community in his grade, whether they are private or public, and whether they are a year older or younger. Club is preparing kids that want to play in HS as their primary sport and is not for everyone. Club is not set up to serve the recreational needs of the community. I haven't heard many complaints about extra year kids having an advantage at more time to take the SAT's, so let's be honest with what this is all about. You don't see too many former college athlete parents complaining about the state of affairs, which should tell you all you really need to know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

Too many people signing up for club at early age as a replacement for Rec. By the time your kid is ready to play club, he should be ready to play with other kids from the community in his grade, whether they are private or public, and whether they are a year older or younger. Club is preparing kids that want to play in HS as their primary sport and is not for everyone. Club is not set up to serve the recreational needs of the community. I haven't heard many complaints about extra year kids having an advantage at more time to take the SAT's, so let's be honest with what this is all about. You don't see too many former college athlete parents complaining about the state of affairs, which should tell you all you really need to know.

Club at the High School level is grade and should be...always has been ..No one complained. Youth sports no matter Club or Rec should be by age. always has been by age until MIAA influenced Howard County rec decided to start a grade base league a few years ago. Age based system worked for the Harrison, Rabil, etc prior to grade based change.

You want to tie Club HS in with Club Youth..Doesnt work . Youth is Youth and HS is HS. The total out of control recruiting of young players was quashed within a year of the out of control grade based teams starting. Recruiting signing and actual talk is 11th grade now. 10th and maybe 9th are important. Which is HS. Youth has nothing to do with " happy college athletic parents" . You are an apologist for a youth system that rewards holding your child back at an early age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

If the league should be in the hall of shame, where does that leave your son's club? I agree with your sentiment about holdbacks gaming the system, but are you saying that there is a club out there that prohibits holdbacks? If there are no U-age teams among the local clubs, implementing an age-based system in the HoCo league would be like the tail wagging the dog. I saw a very good player on my son's team, top 5 arguably at his position in MD, get cut because a handful of kids reclassed this year. He went from splitting time with another great player to left out in the cold because of reclassing. It's shameful, but the clubs allow it and I doubt a league has the clout to dictate how club teams should organize when there are so many other events that they participate in.

You must not know the history of how the HOCO league was started. Some idiot at age based MYLA decided to hook up with Howard County Recreation Department and start a Club league. It was to compete against age based NYPLL Club league.( NOW GONE) . Howard County Recreation due to influence of MIAA decided to go against everything they have done prior in their leagues, and go Grade base, not age. After that Clubs exploded and the race was on for prefirsts. Crabs had the advantage early. Seems like others have caught up now.

Only apologists for having select older kids play down think this is right. The majority know better. Not much anyone can do now. The majority will just watch as more and more hold their child back. Pretty sad for youth sports

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

If the league should be in the hall of shame, where does that leave your son's club? I agree with your sentiment about holdbacks gaming the system, but are you saying that there is a club out there that prohibits holdbacks? If there are no U-age teams among the local clubs, implementing an age-based system in the HoCo league would be like the tail wagging the dog. I saw a very good player on my son's team, top 5 arguably at his position in MD, get cut because a handful of kids reclassed this year. He went from splitting time with another great player to left out in the cold because of reclassing. It's shameful, but the clubs allow it and I doubt a league has the clout to dictate how club teams should organize when there are so many other events that they participate in.

You must not know the history of how the HOCO league was started. Some idiot at age based MYLA decided to hook up with Howard County Recreation Department and start a Club league. It was to compete against age based NYPLL Club league.( NOW GONE) . Howard County Recreation due to influence of MIAA decided to go against everything they have done prior in their leagues, and go Grade base, not age. After that Clubs exploded and the race was on for prefirsts. Crabs had the advantage early. Seems like others have caught up now.

Only apologists for having select older kids play down think this is right. The majority know better. Not much anyone can do now. The majority will just watch as more and more hold their child back. Pretty sad for youth sports

Well, it's more of a curriculum now, so not really some nefarious sports thing. Almost every major private school has prefirst. It's called evolution; public schools should try it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

Too many people signing up for club at early age as a replacement for Rec. By the time your kid is ready to play club, he should be ready to play with other kids from the community in his grade, whether they are private or public, and whether they are a year older or younger. Club is preparing kids that want to play in HS as their primary sport and is not for everyone. Club is not set up to serve the recreational needs of the community. I haven't heard many complaints about extra year kids having an advantage at more time to take the SAT's, so let's be honest with what this is all about. You don't see too many former college athlete parents complaining about the state of affairs, which should tell you all you really need to know.

Club at the High School level is grade and should be...always has been ..No one complained. Youth sports no matter Club or Rec should be by age. always has been by age until MIAA influenced Howard County rec decided to start a grade base league a few years ago. Age based system worked for the Harrison, Rabil, etc prior to grade based change.

You want to tie Club HS in with Club Youth..Doesnt work . Youth is Youth and HS is HS. The total out of control recruiting of young players was quashed within a year of the out of control grade based teams starting. Recruiting signing and actual talk is 11th grade now. 10th and maybe 9th are important. Which is HS. Youth has nothing to do with " happy college athletic parents" . You are an apologist for a youth system that rewards holding your child back at an early age.

Nope, I just didn't complain about the rules and found the best strategy for my kid. I made my kid play up a grad year until HS, and I shut the f up about everyone else.
You would prefer to join something private, then complain about the rules, instead of just not joining. Get along or move along, as many great Dad's have said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

If the league should be in the hall of shame, where does that leave your son's club? I agree with your sentiment about holdbacks gaming the system, but are you saying that there is a club out there that prohibits holdbacks? If there are no U-age teams among the local clubs, implementing an age-based system in the HoCo league would be like the tail wagging the dog. I saw a very good player on my son's team, top 5 arguably at his position in MD, get cut because a handful of kids reclassed this year. He went from splitting time with another great player to left out in the cold because of reclassing. It's shameful, but the clubs allow it and I doubt a league has the clout to dictate how club teams should organize when there are so many other events that they participate in.

You must not know the history of how the HOCO league was started. Some idiot at age based MYLA decided to hook up with Howard County Recreation Department and start a Club league. It was to compete against age based NYPLL Club league.( NOW GONE) . Howard County Recreation due to influence of MIAA decided to go against everything they have done prior in their leagues, and go Grade base, not age. After that Clubs exploded and the race was on for prefirsts. Crabs had the advantage early. Seems like others have caught up now.

Only apologists for having select older kids play down think this is right. The majority know better. Not much anyone can do now. The majority will just watch as more and more hold their child back. Pretty sad for youth sports

The industry grew by 100% over the last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

If the league should be in the hall of shame, where does that leave your son's club? I agree with your sentiment about holdbacks gaming the system, but are you saying that there is a club out there that prohibits holdbacks? If there are no U-age teams among the local clubs, implementing an age-based system in the HoCo league would be like the tail wagging the dog. I saw a very good player on my son's team, top 5 arguably at his position in MD, get cut because a handful of kids reclassed this year. He went from splitting time with another great player to left out in the cold because of reclassing. It's shameful, but the clubs allow it and I doubt a league has the clout to dictate how club teams should organize when there are so many other events that they participate in.

You must not know the history of how the HOCO league was started. Some idiot at age based MYLA decided to hook up with Howard County Recreation Department and start a Club league. It was to compete against age based NYPLL Club league.( NOW GONE) . Howard County Recreation due to influence of MIAA decided to go against everything they have done prior in their leagues, and go Grade base, not age. After that Clubs exploded and the race was on for prefirsts. Crabs had the advantage early. Seems like others have caught up now.

Only apologists for having select older kids play down think this is right. The majority know better. Not much anyone can do now. The majority will just watch as more and more hold their child back. Pretty sad for youth sports

That's funny. I agree that youth sports should be age-based. But do you really think MIAA coaches or administrators care how a youth league organized? Are they lobbying other sports to go grade-based? The hold-backs have been going on for years. Under the old U15 guidelines they just got a second year in u15 while non-holdbacks were off to HS. There's no benefit or difference as to when these kids are eligible for HS lacrosse now that they are grade based.

The reason Hoco went to grade is because all the clubs were going in that direction. The clubs were following the lead of clubs and tournaments up north which had been grade for some time. The irony is that grade based segmentation benefits MD-VA teams since our kids older even before hold backs because we have 9/1 school cutoff vs 12/1 in NY.

It's unfortunate the US Lacrosse can't dictate the age rules like other sports apparently do. I know they are trying with their own tournaments and there are a couple of event companies like NXT on board starting with the youngest groups. But USL can't force all tournaments to change or force clubs to play in age events. They way this changes is for NY clubs to all go by 9/1 cut-off and refuse to play in grade events. They have a competitive reason to do so and there are enough of them that they are a big enough market force to make the individual tournaments change. They love to travel. When the LI teams stop coming the tournaments dry up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.

Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

Too many people signing up for club at early age as a replacement for Rec. By the time your kid is ready to play club, he should be ready to play with other kids from the community in his grade, whether they are private or public, and whether they are a year older or younger. Club is preparing kids that want to play in HS as their primary sport and is not for everyone. Club is not set up to serve the recreational needs of the community. I haven't heard many complaints about extra year kids having an advantage at more time to take the SAT's, so let's be honest with what this is all about. You don't see too many former college athlete parents complaining about the state of affairs, which should tell you all you really need to know.

Club at the High School level is grade and should be...always has been ..No one complained. Youth sports no matter Club or Rec should be by age. always has been by age until MIAA influenced Howard County rec decided to start a grade base league a few years ago. Age based system worked for the Harrison, Rabil, etc prior to grade based change.

You want to tie Club HS in with Club Youth..Doesnt work . Youth is Youth and HS is HS. The total out of control recruiting of young players was quashed within a year of the out of control grade based teams starting. Recruiting signing and actual talk is 11th grade now. 10th and maybe 9th are important. Which is HS. Youth has nothing to do with " happy college athletic parents" . You are an apologist for a youth system that rewards holding your child back at an early age.

You should do an anonymous petition.

Why not have a birth year based system in place. Makes it easy - verify with birth certificates, certified rosters with player cards that are checked before each game. Seems fair

This will all work itself out in a few years. Early college recruiting was a big driver of the holdback insanity. Holdback kids lose their advantage once all the non-holdback kids are through puberty and in High School. There is way too much emphasis being placed on the HOCO Club league by parents in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.
Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

Too many people signing up for club at early age as a replacement for Rec. By the time your kid is ready to play club, he should be ready to play with other kids from the community in his grade, whether they are private or public, and whether they are a year older or younger. Club is preparing kids that want to play in HS as their primary sport and is not for everyone. Club is not set up to serve the recreational needs of the community. I haven't heard many complaints about extra year kids having an advantage at more time to take the SAT's, so let's be honest with what this is all about. You don't see too many former college athlete parents complaining about the state of affairs, which should tell you all you really need to know.

Club at the High School level is grade and should be...always has been ..No one complained. Youth sports no matter Club or Rec should be by age. always has been by age until MIAA influenced Howard County rec decided to start a grade base league a few years ago. Age based system worked for the Harrison, Rabil, etc prior to grade based change.

You want to tie Club HS in with Club Youth..Doesnt work . Youth is Youth and HS is HS. The total out of control recruiting of young players was quashed within a year of the out of control grade based teams starting. Recruiting signing and actual talk is 11th grade now. 10th and maybe 9th are important. Which is HS. Youth has nothing to do with " happy college athletic parents" . You are an apologist for a youth system that rewards holding your child back at an early age.

You should do an anonymous petition.

The First and Second Year , I actually wrote many times to different people in Howard County Recreation Department telling them what would happen with their new grade based league. Wrote it would encourage holdbacks and why was grade base a priority to HOCO. Told them a simple U10,U11, U12, etc would be better for YOUTh sports and align with all their other HOCO leagues.
Got back from several useless people many excuses. Later found out that two had boys in a MIAA schools. Wonder if that had anything to do with it.

No matter how you spin it. Youth sports prior to HS should be by age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdbacks, not on age is cheating and sad in youth sports. accept it and move on.
Is it sad? Yes. Is it "gaming the system?" Probably.

Is it cheating? No. The rules for HoCo clearly state it is a grade-based league. Get over it.

Agree, while it is completely gaming the system, unfair to many players and goes against just about everything youth sports stands for...it isnt against the rules as the Howard County Recreation Department wrote them up. Howard Country Recreation should have a special place in Maryland lacrosse Hall of Shame.

If the league should be in the hall of shame, where does that leave your son's club? I agree with your sentiment about holdbacks gaming the system, but are you saying that there is a club out there that prohibits holdbacks? If there are no U-age teams among the local clubs, implementing an age-based system in the HoCo league would be like the tail wagging the dog. I saw a very good player on my son's team, top 5 arguably at his position in MD, get cut because a handful of kids reclassed this year. He went from splitting time with another great player to left out in the cold because of reclassing. It's shameful, but the clubs allow it and I doubt a league has the clout to dictate how club teams should organize when there are so many other events that they participate in.

You must not know the history of how the HOCO league was started. Some idiot at age based MYLA decided to hook up with Howard County Recreation Department and start a Club league. It was to compete against age based NYPLL Club league.( NOW GONE) . Howard County Recreation due to influence of MIAA decided to go against everything they have done prior in their leagues, and go Grade base, not age. After that Clubs exploded and the race was on for prefirsts. Crabs had the advantage early. Seems like others have caught up now.

Only apologists for having select older kids play down think this is right. The majority know better. Not much anyone can do now. The majority will just watch as more and more hold their child back. Pretty sad for youth sports

Well, it's more of a curriculum now, so not really some nefarious sports thing. Almost every major private school has prefirst. It's called evolution; public schools should try it.

No one cares about what MIAA private schools and parents do with their children. Hold them back two grades if that is the right thing to do. Parents should always do what is best for their child's education.

But private school prefirsts/holdbacks should have Zero influence of Youth sports outside of their school. And for sure should not be getting an advantage others dont get with exact same birthdays. The reality is that the majority of children 7th grade and below playing down in age are prefirsts at this time.

8th grade is different as it is the time for public and private parents to decide to reclass their children.

So glad hoco has a rec division to accomodate everyone that has major hang ups with the club division's grade based rules. That way, everyone is happy!

I agree. Maybe we can start a petition for age based high school sports next. God forbid someone run into academic issues or move mid year from one school to another due to a job re-location. Then we can require college coaches to attend only age specific events because they care so much about what parents think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. Maybe we can start a petition for age based high school sports next. God forbid someone run into academic issues or move mid year from one school to another due to a job re-location. Then we can require college coaches to attend only age specific events because they care so much about what parents think.

Maybe we can start a petition that you actually understand the holdback issue before you post. The 2 examples you gave are both legitimate reasons for a kid being held back a grade. The issue with holdbacks is that kids are being held back specifically to gain an athletic advantage. No one cares about age in high school lacrosse, and if they do they are morons because all the kids can make up for the age difference with weight and speed/agility training since they have matured through puberty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. Maybe we can start a petition for age based high school sports next. God forbid someone run into academic issues or move mid year from one school to another due to a job re-location. Then we can require college coaches to attend only age specific events because they care so much about what parents think.

Do you really think that these issues have any relevancy to the Youth holdback issue in lacrosse. How do these relate to select kids under 14 getting an advantage others dont with same exact birthday ? These are new excuses I havent heard before.

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. Maybe we can start a petition for age based high school sports next. God forbid someone run into academic issues or move mid year from one school to another due to a job re-location. Then we can require college coaches to attend only age specific events because they care so much about what parents think.

Do you really think that these issues have any relevancy to the Youth holdback issue in lacrosse. How do these relate to select kids under 14 getting an advantage others dont with same exact birthday ? These are new excuses I havent heard before.

Don't middle schools, at least those with relevant programs, compete by grade too? Not disagreeing age would be a good basis for creating something as close to "fair" as possible, but kind of like middle school is prep for HS, isn't club lacrosse (paid) supposed to model HS and be preparatory, for those that want to eventually play in HS? Club isn't a replacement for rec, correct, where you would expect a more balanced "fair" environment. For $2,000/year or more, plus travel, etc., don't people realize what they are buying, before they buy? People aren't buying into club, then complaining afterwards, correct? I always understood club to be a higher level of realistic competition, more that would would one day expect in HS and college, even at the youth levels. It's advertised as grade-based before people pay the money, correct, or no? With the diverse range of public and private schools in the area, doing paid high level leagues as grade based would be more realistic measure of competition in the area, seemingly. Are we trying to create realistic expectations, or are we trying to create a false impression about what is to come in HS? Maybe age based in elementary school, then grade based in middle school? It's a lot of money to treat as a fun replacement for rec, because, you know, you could just do rec.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

10 games would mean mid-week treks Hoco. Not easy if you have to use either beltway

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

Terrible idea. Going to Howard County is bad enough. AA county just as bad. For what? a few more meaningless games against crappy teams. Mid week games or two games in a day is nuts- thats for summer. Keep it simple people. Train more play less. Practice is fun, meaningless games are not. Put the focus on kids back into lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

Terrible idea. Going to Howard County is bad enough. AA county just as bad. For what? a few more meaningless games against crappy teams. Mid week games or two games in a day is nuts- thats for summer. Keep it simple people. Train more play less. Practice is fun, meaningless games are not. Put the focus on kids back into lacrosse.

Great idea every team plays everybody. No hiding behind a weak schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

Terrible idea. Going to Howard County is bad enough. AA county just as bad. For what? a few more meaningless games against crappy teams. Mid week games or two games in a day is nuts- thats for summer. Keep it simple people. Train more play less. Practice is fun, meaningless games are not. Put the focus on kids back into lacrosse.

Great idea every team plays everybody. No hiding behind a weak schedule

Amazingly hoco is claiming lack of field space as the reason for not offering a complete schedule where all teams play each other.

If hoco could coordinate with AA or Balt Co to get more field space, it would be great to have the teams play each other.

Agreed!!!

Play everyone and the best teams go to the playoffs. No Excuses about weak schedules

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

Terrible idea. Going to Howard County is bad enough. AA county just as bad. For what? a few more meaningless games against crappy teams. Mid week games or two games in a day is nuts- thats for summer. Keep it simple people. Train more play less. Practice is fun, meaningless games are not. Put the focus on kids back into lacrosse.

Great idea every team plays everybody. No hiding behind a weak schedule

Hiding behind a weak schedule? You're way too into it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

Terrible idea. Going to Howard County is bad enough. AA county just as bad. For what? a few more meaningless games against crappy teams. Mid week games or two games in a day is nuts- thats for summer. Keep it simple people. Train more play less. Practice is fun, meaningless games are not. Put the focus on kids back into lacrosse.

Great idea every team plays everybody. No hiding behind a weak schedule

Amazingly hoco is claiming lack of field space as the reason for not offering a complete schedule where all teams play each other.

If hoco could coordinate with AA or Balt Co to get more field space, it would be great to have the teams play each other.

Only reason this league exists is because of the Howard Co turf fields and their willingness to allow them to be used for the league. Not sure how AA works but Baltimore County Rec is a decentralized mess. Each community has a volunteer rec council that has 1st rights to the fields. For instance LTRC has Seminary Park turf, Hereford rec has Hereford HS turf, Kelly Post has Towson HS etc. There is not a chance in [lacrosse] that those programs would give up turf time to the clubs they are losing kids to.

The other benefit to this league is that Hoco does all the admin - schedule games/fields, refs, update scores. When you show up for the games you know the field won't be double booked or no refs. Leave that to individual club directors to go out and find/rent fields...

The real question is when is Howard County going to step up to the plate and follow USL guidelines and make their leagues age based? Holdbacks are ruining the sport. Lacrosse will always just be a rich white man's game until the playing field is level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real question is when is Howard County going to step up to the plate and follow USL guidelines and make their leagues age based? Holdbacks are ruining the sport. Lacrosse will always just be a rich white man's game until the playing field is level.

Have you seen the USL rules?

They have different rules for every single age which are different than NCAA and high school rules.

No one wants to deal with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real question is when is Howard County going to step up to the plate and follow USL guidelines and make their leagues age based? Holdbacks are ruining the sport. Lacrosse will always just be a rich white man's game until the playing field is level.

Have you seen the USL rules?

They have different rules for every single age which are different than NCAA and high school rules.

No one wants to deal with that.

USL doesn't have or make rules, rather, they offer opinions that are popular with people that donate money. Leagues have and make rules. USL sells stickers and builds fancy stadiums near the CEO's house.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumors of HOCO going to 10 games for 2018 and AA County offering the same program, but on Saturdays. Thoughts?

Terrible idea. Going to Howard County is bad enough. AA county just as bad. For what? a few more meaningless games against crappy teams. Mid week games or two games in a day is nuts- thats for summer. Keep it simple people. Train more play less. Practice is fun, meaningless games are not. Put the focus on kids back into lacrosse.

Great idea every team plays everybody. No hiding behind a weak schedule

Amazingly hoco is claiming lack of field space as the reason for not offering a complete schedule where all teams play each other.

If hoco could coordinate with AA or Balt Co to get more field space, it would be great to have the teams play each other.

Only reason this league exists is because of the Howard Co turf fields and their willingness to allow them to be used for the league. Not sure how AA works but Baltimore County Rec is a decentralized mess. Each community has a volunteer rec council that has 1st rights to the fields. For instance LTRC has Seminary Park turf, Hereford rec has Hereford HS turf, Kelly Post has Towson HS etc. There is not a chance in [lacrosse] that those programs would give up turf time to the clubs they are losing kids to.

The other benefit to this league is that Hoco does all the admin - schedule games/fields, refs, update scores. When you show up for the games you know the field won't be double booked or no refs. Leave that to individual club directors to go out and find/rent fields...

If we're all honest with ourselves, the real purpose of the league is to get clubs ready for summer tournament season. Those programs that want to play more games in the spring already go play in the Kooper's league. So I see no real point in more games in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real question is when is Howard County going to step up to the plate and follow USL guidelines and make their leagues age based? Holdbacks are ruining the sport. Lacrosse will always just be a rich white man's game until the playing field is level.

Have you seen the USL rules?

They have different rules for every single age which are different than NCAA and high school rules.

No one wants to deal with that.

USL doesn't have or make rules, rather, they offer opinions that are popular with people that donate money. Leagues have and make rules. USL sells stickers and builds fancy stadiums near the CEO's house.

Let me guess you two have reclassed sons or own club lacrosse teams. USL is the governing body of lacrosse. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real question is when is Howard County going to step up to the plate and follow USL guidelines and make their leagues age based? Holdbacks are ruining the sport. Lacrosse will always just be a rich white man's game until the playing field is level.

Have you seen the USL rules?

They have different rules for every single age which are different than NCAA and high school rules.

No one wants to deal with that.

USL doesn't have or make rules, rather, they offer opinions that are popular with people that donate money. Leagues have and make rules. USL sells stickers and builds fancy stadiums near the CEO's house.

Let me guess you two have reclassed sons or own club lacrosse teams. USL is the governing body of lacrosse. End of story.

No they are not. Are you even trying anymore? Literally govern nothing! Just for our own comic relief, give us an example of what they govern..
Not promote, but govern.

Read their annual report if you are interested. I am guessing you don't like them because their push for age based classification interferes with your holdback scheme. Sorry - it's all going age based at some point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Read their annual report if you are interested. I am guessing you don't like them because their push for age based classification interferes with your holdback scheme. Sorry - it's all going age based at some point.

Wrong. All USL is provide recommended guidelines. The change they made last year was away from the U-9, U-11, U-13 model tonsingle year when it was possible based on number of players in the area. No one was following the U model up until last year either. They have the ability to enforce these rules at tournaments that they themselves run such as the U-15 national championships. They have no authority over any other league or tournament to make them follow these recommendations. No my son isn't a holdback. And I don't care for the holdback situation. But I'm also realistic enough to realize that the sport is growing exponentially and that means more money in everyone's pockets. They aren't going to make changes that could effect their wallets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real question is when is Howard County going to step up to the plate and follow USL guidelines and make their leagues age based? Holdbacks are ruining the sport. Lacrosse will always just be a rich white man's game until the playing field is level.

Have you seen the USL rules?

They have different rules for every single age which are different than NCAA and high school rules.

No one wants to deal with that.

USL doesn't have or make rules, rather, they offer opinions that are popular with people that donate money. Leagues have and make rules. USL sells stickers and builds fancy stadiums near the CEO's house.

Let me guess you two have reclassed sons or own club lacrosse teams. USL is the governing body of lacrosse. End of story.

No they are not. Are you even trying anymore? Literally govern nothing! Just for our own comic relief, give us an example of what they govern..
Not promote, but govern.

Their insurance policies. Their membership dues. The mens and womens national teams. Their $15 million dollar field and HQ building.

from what I've heard, the HOCO 10 game expansion would make for an earlier start of the season (i.e. late March), not weeknight games. And the AA county "club" league would be on Saturdays to complement HOCO, not replace. It would obviously compete w/ the Koopers thing they've been doing, though....I'm guessing that would fold. AA county would offer the turf fields, refs, scoring, admin, etc. the same way HOCO does, if not better. AA county has always operated an incredible county-wide rec program. before HOCO, there were very competitive A and AA divisions for each age group, and the kids played club for summer tourneys/winter training, and their respectable rec team during the spring (think SP, AYLA, DAA, SRYA, BAYS, etc.). Currently, there are 1/2 the # of teams registered for rec, and more field space across the county to use over the weekend. "A and "AA" do not really exist. And, there's a legitimate county financial void to fill.....

Any expansion of the HOCO schedule and a AACO Saturday league is a mistake. Kids are already playing too much lacrosse. The only people who care about HOCO Championships are the club directors and crazy parents. 6 game schedule with playoffs is a good balance for HOCO league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any expansion of the HOCO schedule and a AACO Saturday league is a mistake. Kids are already playing too much lacrosse. The only people who care about HOCO Championships are the club directors and crazy parents. 6 game schedule with playoffs is a good balance for HOCO league.

When the kids played rec lacrosse there were two games a week. Why is it bad to have 2 a week now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any expansion of the HOCO schedule and a AACO Saturday league is a mistake. Kids are already playing too much lacrosse. The only people who care about HOCO Championships are the club directors and crazy parents. 6 game schedule with playoffs is a good balance for HOCO league.

When the kids played rec lacrosse there were two games a week. Why is it bad to have 2 a week now?

For starters, rec games were more or less in the neighborhood. Getting to hoco games on a week night will suck for most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real question is when is Howard County going to step up to the plate and follow USL guidelines and make their leagues age based? Holdbacks are ruining the sport. Lacrosse will always just be a rich white man's game until the playing field is level.

Have you seen the USL rules?

They have different rules for every single age which are different than NCAA and high school rules.

No one wants to deal with that.

USL doesn't have or make rules, rather, they offer opinions that are popular with people that donate money. Leagues have and make rules. USL sells stickers and builds fancy stadiums near the CEO's house.

Let me guess you two have reclassed sons or own club lacrosse teams. USL is the governing body of lacrosse. End of story.

No they are not. Are you even trying anymore? Literally govern nothing! Just for our own comic relief, give us an example of what they govern..
Not promote, but govern.

The one important thing they're in charge of is the NFHS Rule Book. But no youth league or state high school association is obligated to use NFHS rules. They can, and most state associations do use NFHS rules (though Texas HS football uses NCAA rules instead).

Youth leagues in other states may, to varying degrees, adopt US Lacrosse rules, but here in MD I'm not sure anyone is really doing that. Even the rec leagues don't use the LADM stuff except at the youngest ages.

So while US Lacrosse may call itself the "governing body of lacrosse," at this point they really govern very little.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

no way that 2019 Koopers team is as good as 2019 Madlax, but then again who is.

The 2019 MadLax is stacked and nobody else in MD/VA compete

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Amen!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Do you honestly believe posting this little rant on an anonymous forum will get them to drop everything and get the schedule out quicker?You’re dumb. News flash, no games this weekend because of the holiday. So take a deep breath, since you claim you have worked for a rec council before. Because then you know it basically a volunteer position and they do their best. Quite frankly, I would rather them get the schedule right than release it and then make a zillion changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Do you honestly believe posting this little rant on an anonymous forum will get them to drop everything and get the schedule out quicker?You’re dumb. News flash, no games this weekend because of the holiday. So take a deep breath, since you claim you have worked for a rec council before. Because then you know it basically a volunteer position and they do their best. Quite frankly, I would rather them get the schedule right than release it and then make a zillion changes.

I am not sure what world you live in but the people who put the schedules together at HOWARD COUNTY PARKS AND REC and not volunteer. They are paid employees of the county and they are paid pretty good for their job. You should not have to make any changes once the schedule is out unless mother nature does that for you period. Plus all the field are turf so unless it is thundering out you should have to play.
Any youth or for that adult programs who have schedules should have at least the first 4 weeks out by now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Do you honestly believe posting this little rant on an anonymous forum will get them to drop everything and get the schedule out quicker?You’re dumb. News flash, no games this weekend because of the holiday. So take a deep breath, since you claim you have worked for a rec council before. Because then you know it basically a volunteer position and they do their best. Quite frankly, I would rather them get the schedule right than release it and then make a zillion changes.

I am not sure what world you live in but the people who put the schedules together at HOWARD COUNTY PARKS AND REC and not volunteer. They are paid employees of the county and they are paid pretty good for their job. You should not have to make any changes once the schedule is out unless mother nature does that for you period. Plus all the field are turf so unless it is thundering out you should have to play.
Any youth or for that adult programs who have schedules should have at least the first 4 weeks out by now.

the Men's Masters Lacrosse schedule for the spring season has been out for 2 weeks and that is run by HOCO parks and rec.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Do you honestly believe posting this little rant on an anonymous forum will get them to drop everything and get the schedule out quicker?You’re dumb. News flash, no games this weekend because of the holiday. So take a deep breath, since you claim you have worked for a rec council before. Because then you know it basically a volunteer position and they do their best. Quite frankly, I would rather them get the schedule right than release it and then make a zillion changes.

I am not sure what world you live in but the people who put the schedules together at HOWARD COUNTY PARKS AND REC and not volunteer. They are paid employees of the county and they are paid pretty good for their job. You should not have to make any changes once the schedule is out unless mother nature does that for you period. Plus all the field are turf so unless it is thundering out you should have to play.
Any youth or for that adult programs who have schedules should have at least the first 4 weeks out by now.

the Men's Masters Lacrosse schedule for the spring season has been out for 2 weeks and that is run by HOCO parks and rec.

Rumor has it that HOCO is trying to accommodate the flight schedule of certain teams. : )

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Do you honestly believe posting this little rant on an anonymous forum will get them to drop everything and get the schedule out quicker?You’re dumb. News flash, no games this weekend because of the holiday. So take a deep breath, since you claim you have worked for a rec council before. Because then you know it basically a volunteer position and they do their best. Quite frankly, I would rather them get the schedule right than release it and then make a zillion changes.

I am not sure what world you live in but the people who put the schedules together at HOWARD COUNTY PARKS AND REC and not volunteer. They are paid employees of the county and they are paid pretty good for their job. You should not have to make any changes once the schedule is out unless mother nature does that for you period. Plus all the field are turf so unless it is thundering out you should have to play.
Any youth or for that adult programs who have schedules should have at least the first 4 weeks out by now.

the Men's Masters Lacrosse schedule for the spring season has been out for 2 weeks and that is run by HOCO parks and rec.

Maybe the men’s master lacrosse league whines less and demands less accommodations and changes to everything?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Hope you are not a coach with that kind of temper. Interesting you have an issue with both leagues. Perhaps given your vast experience, you should start your own league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CAN YOU GET THE SCHEDULE OUT FOR THE YEAR!!!! wth people have stuff going on and you have known for how long what teams are playing in the leagues.This is some BS. Both this league and the Koopers league need to figure out what they are doing!! Absolutely atrocious. Not real hard to do schedule. I worked for a rec council at one time and so I know the challenges but it should not take this long when we have already played our 1st games.

Do you honestly believe posting this little rant on an anonymous forum will get them to drop everything and get the schedule out quicker?You’re dumb. News flash, no games this weekend because of the holiday. So take a deep breath, since you claim you have worked for a rec council before. Because then you know it basically a volunteer position and they do their best. Quite frankly, I would rather them get the schedule right than release it and then make a zillion changes.

I am not sure what world you live in but the people who put the schedules together at HOWARD COUNTY PARKS AND REC and not volunteer. They are paid employees of the county and they are paid pretty good for their job. You should not have to make any changes once the schedule is out unless mother nature does that for you period. Plus all the field are turf so unless it is thundering out you should have to play.
Any youth or for that adult programs who have schedules should have at least the first 4 weeks out by now.

the Men's Masters Lacrosse schedule for the spring season has been out for 2 weeks and that is run by HOCO parks and rec.

Rumor has it that HOCO is trying to accommodate the flight schedule of certain teams. : )

Now that’s funny.

Aren’t all the teams local?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Aren’t all the teams local?

Yes, but all the players aren't. Teams have kids flying in from as far away as California. Seems unreal, but it has been happening for the last couple of years.

Here is how the top clubs did this year in HoCo. These are the clubs with more than 2 teams playing at the highest division for their age groups. There were 6 age divisions: 2022 thru 2027

Annapolis Hawks (6 Top Level Teams) - 93% win percentage - 4 Championships
Madlax (5 Top Level Teams) - 60% win percentage - 1 Runner up
Bethesda / DCE (6 Top Level Teams) - 55% win percentage - 1 Runner up
Looney's (5 Top Level Teams) - 51% win percentage
Crabs (4 Top Level Teams) - 43% win percentage
FCA (4 Top Level Teams) - 43% win percentage - 2 Runners up
Team 91 (5 Top Level Teams) - 40% win percentage - 2 Championships
Next Level (4 Top Level Teams) - 32% win percentage

Thanks Hawks Dad

percentage of hawks kids that are holdback cheaters 60%

The prior post may have been posted by a Hawks Dad but still pretty interesting to see how it shook out. Hawks have a pretty wide geographic area they pull talent from (AA & PG Counties , along with Eastern Shore) with not much other local top club competition, while 4 top tier clubs fight over the Baltimore talent and 3 clubs fight over DC/NoVa. Hawks/Hogan do a pretty good job of keeping that talent local.

Maybe oversimplifying it a bit because there are always a few one-offs that will commute distance, but if you are an unhappy camper at 1 club in Baltimore you have 3 other good options to jump to and that makes it hard for any 1 club in Baltimore to dominate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The prior post may have been posted by a Hawks Dad but still pretty interesting to see how it shook out. Hawks have a pretty wide geographic area they pull talent from (AA & PG Counties , along with Eastern Shore) with not much other local top club competition, while 4 top tier clubs fight over the Baltimore talent and 3 clubs fight over DC/NoVa. Hawks/Hogan do a pretty good job of keeping that talent local.

Maybe oversimplifying it a bit because there are always a few one-offs that will commute distance, but if you are an unhappy camper at 1 club in Baltimore you have 3 other good options to jump to and that makes it hard for any 1 club in Baltimore to dominate.

Crabs dominated for many, many years.

Matt Hogan started Hawks so ANnapolis kids had a local option to playing for Crabs. Dave Cottle helped also. I doubt they ever thought they would dominate to this level and turn the Crabs into just another Baltimore club.

Patently false. Some team has to be the best. This year it happens to be the Hawks. Next year maybe it will your team. Or you could just keep
Making excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Patently false. Some team has to be the best. This year it happens to be the Hawks. Next year maybe it will your team. Or you could just keep
Making excuses

Historically, the Crabs have won the most games and championships at all grade levels they participated in with Hawks and BLC coming in a close second.

There never has been this much of a gap between the top club and all the others.

Tryouts are starting soon. Many are starting the last week of July, but most are early August. Crabs has a 2022 tryout on 7/11.

For those looking for a club or looking to switch, below are the area clubs teams that mostly play in HoCo and what level they typically play at for the different age groups (3rd thru 8th grade). Be sure to check with the Club for the specific Levels and ages for them.

AA is the highest level for the age group (AA or Elite depending on age group)
A is 2nd highest (A or AA)
B is 3rd or 4th highest (A or B)

Maryland

Anne Arundel County
Annapolis Hawks - Level AA, at 6 Ages
API Diamondbacks - Level AA-B, at 5 Ages
Peninsula (PLC) - Level AA-B, at 6 Ages
Sidewinders - Level AA-B, at 6 Ages
Rockfish - Level A-B, at 6 Ages
Green Hornets - Level A-B, at 6 Ages
Maryland Wild

Baltimore County
Team 91 MD - Level AA, at 5 Ages
Looney's - Level AA-A, at 6 Ages
Crabs - Level AA-A, at 5 Ages
FCA - Level AA-A, at 6 Ages
Breakers - Level AA-B, at 4 Ages
Coppermine - Level A-B, at 2 Ages
Rock - Level A-B, at 3 Ages
Koopers - Level AA-B, at 3 Ages
Kelly Post - Level A-B, at 4 Ages
Greene Turtle - Level A-B, at 2 Ages
Hereford (HLC) - Level B, at 4 Ages
Team 42 - Level B, at 1 Ages
MD Wolfpack - Level B, at 3 Ages
Redshirts - Level B, at 1 Age
Team 42

Calvert County
Cannons - Level AA-B, at 5 Ages

Carroll County
G - Level A-B, at 3 Ages
Revolution - Level B, at 2 Ages
South Carroll - Level B, at 2 Ages

Frederick County
3D MD (Lax Factory) - Level A-B, at 4 Ages
Team Maryland

Harford County
Thunder / Mavericks - Level A-B, at 3 Ages
Starz - Level B, at 1 Age

Howard County
Roughriders - Level AA-A, at 4 Ages
Zingos - Level AA-B, at 5 Ages
HoCo - Level A-B, at 5 Ages

Montgomery County
Bethesda / DC Express - Level AA, at 6 Ages
Madlax - Level AA-A, at 6 Ages
Next Level - Level AA-A, at 6 Ages
East Side Lacrosse - Level A, at 1 Age
MD Xtreme (MDX) - Level B, at 4 Ages

Prince Georges County
PG Lacrosse Club - Level A-B, at 2 Ages

Queen Anne’s County
USS - Level A-B, at 4 Ages

Talbot County
Crabs Hardshells
Dark Horse

Washington County
Lionheart

Virginia

Fairfax County
VLC - Level A-B, at 3 Ages
Top Caliber - Level B, at 2 Ages

Loudon County
3D Virginia - Level A, at 3 Ages
Cavalier - Level A-B, at 4 Ages
Evergreen - Level B, at 2 Ages

Pennsylvania

York PA
Chaos

Thanks for posting it seems you put some time into making this list and reviewing HOCO schedules. I find it interesting that when you put teams into a geographic breakdown it helps explain some of the success the Hawks have had. If the three top talent pools of MD are Baltimore, Annapolis, and Montgomery Co with kids from Howard able to easily go to all three areas, it appears that the Hawks seem to get the most talent as API and Peninsula (I think you left our South River) are not nearly as strong in the level they play or results. They simply attract the best talent compared to the other regions. In Baltimore: FCA, Team 91, Crabs, Looney's all seem to be closer talent and vary by age group. If all the top Baltimore players went to one team, would they be better than Hawks? This is also the same in Montgomery Co. where I assume you are counting Club Blue as now Madlax. Will this be the case in the Spring as well? I was not aware that Lax Factory is now 3d. Finally, why are there no top level teams in all of VA?

When examining the success of the programs from the youngest teams to the oldest teams - Annapolis Hawks seems to have the most quality teams across the board. I do think the Baltimore programs canabilize each other and Hawks definitely benefits from being the only game in town.

I heard the director of Rock played 2020's in a 2021 game at Trilogy 24 on Sunday. Is that true?

I can't imagine any director/coach would encourage HS kids to cheat and play down a grade level in a tournament.

https://admin.tourneymachine.com/Pu...ivision=h2018061904135712144c853a5c1e542

It must be true if you heard it. Meanwhile, your son’s team is probably loaded with kids who did prefirst or repeated 5th or grade but that has been normalized among the privileged elites in the Baltimore lacrosse circuit. Those of us with on age players just enjoy watching them play and have long given up worrying about the age of opposing players.

As summer ends and tryout's start which teams are either moving up or moving down next season? Might be something to consider when picking a team (s) to try out for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the director of Rock played 2020's in a 2021 game at Trilogy 24 on Sunday. Is that true?

I can't imagine any director/coach would encourage HS kids to cheat and play down a grade level in a tournament.

https://admin.tourneymachine.com/Pu...ivision=h2018061904135712144c853a5c1e542

I haven't seen it on Facebook, so doubt it's true

As a parent of a player in N.VA why do all the VA teams drive 1.5 to 2 hours depending on traffic each way to play in this league when most of the VA teams are lucky to win a few games? Wouldn't these teams just have more fun with a Sunday club league? Play NVYLL Sat, club game sunday, winner can play a HOCO team and loose at the end of the season. who is with me?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a player in N.VA why do all the VA teams drive 1.5 to 2 hours depending on traffic each way to play in this league when most of the VA teams are lucky to win a few games? Wouldn't these teams just have more fun with a Sunday club league? Play NVYLL Sat, club game sunday, winner can play a HOCO team and loose at the end of the season. who is with me?

I agree with your point in this current set up. But if the VA clubs could keep all the talent on Va teams and if the VA clubs would do whats best for the kids not themselves. They would push the best talent to one or two teams at each grade and then they could win lots of games in HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a player in N.VA why do all the VA teams drive 1.5 to 2 hours depending on traffic each way to play in this league when most of the VA teams are lucky to win a few games? Wouldn't these teams just have more fun with a Sunday club league? Play NVYLL Sat, club game sunday, winner can play a HOCO team and loose at the end of the season. who is with me?

I agree with your point in this current set up. But if the VA clubs could keep all the talent on Va teams and if the VA clubs would do whats best for the kids not themselves. They would push the best talent to one or two teams at each grade and then they could win lots of games in HOCO.

So what’s best for the kids is building a NOVA super team? How about you stop worrying about the wins and losses and just worry about whether junior is getting better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a player in N.VA why do all the VA teams drive 1.5 to 2 hours depending on traffic each way to play in this league when most of the VA teams are lucky to win a few games? Wouldn't these teams just have more fun with a Sunday club league? Play NVYLL Sat, club game sunday, winner can play a HOCO team and loose at the end of the season. who is with me?

I agree with your point in this current set up. But if the VA clubs could keep all the talent on Va teams and if the VA clubs would do whats best for the kids not themselves. They would push the best talent to one or two teams at each grade and then they could win lots of games in HOCO.

There are a few kids from VA going to MD to play club. Most live closer to Bethesda. However the majority still play for VA clubs I do not see a club director or coach advising a good player at tryouts to go to a better team to help the reputation of VA clubs. I think they just view it differently. I do not think it is a given that they have re-class holdbacks or whatever most play the age and grade that fits. Clubs have ties to HS programs and the goal is to make a stronger HS program. The kids will soon move up and a few will be good enough to play college. If the alternative is the mess that is MD club lacrosse I think many will just be content to keep things the way they are. Read the 2023 messages for more of what I refer to as a mess. All the information needed to make that case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a player in N.VA why do all the VA teams drive 1.5 to 2 hours depending on traffic each way to play in this league when most of the VA teams are lucky to win a few games? Wouldn't these teams just have more fun with a Sunday club league? Play NVYLL Sat, club game sunday, winner can play a HOCO team and loose at the end of the season. who is with me?

I agree with your point in this current set up. But if the VA clubs could keep all the talent on Va teams and if the VA clubs would do whats best for the kids not themselves. They would push the best talent to one or two teams at each grade and then they could win lots of games in HOCO.

So what’s best for the kids is building a NOVA super team? How about you stop worrying about the wins and losses and just worry about whether junior is getting better.

Its not about just building a supper team. Its about playing on the level that fits each kid. Look at the basketball model when it comes to kids from one high school team playing on several different club summer programs.In the AAU format 5 star player or players play with a 5 star club team and all the way down to 1 Star kids. I would bet all the best high school teams have players who play with several club teams. As for lacrosse look at a school like Landon. take all the players on this team. I would guess they play for 5 if not 7 different club teams during the summer. The kids all spread out and find the best team that meets their kids skill level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a player in N.VA why do all the VA teams drive 1.5 to 2 hours depending on traffic each way to play in this league when most of the VA teams are lucky to win a few games? Wouldn't these teams just have more fun with a Sunday club league? Play NVYLL Sat, club game sunday, winner can play a HOCO team and loose at the end of the season. who is with me?

If you don't want to drive out to HoCo, put your kid in a rec team and you won't have to. Your kid won't get better on a crappy rec team playing other crappy rec teams though.

Anyone see the USClubLax Rankings? Surprising the HoCo teams did so poorly this summer at the top events. I've never even heard of some of these clubs. No DC Express, Hawks, or T91 MD. Just Crabs, Madlax, FCA, and Roughriders.

"These rankings are based off the 2018 results at several top tournaments throughout the country (NLF Club National Championship, Naptown National Challenge, Crab Feast And, The NLF Main Event). This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered."

1. Team 91
2. Express Lacrosse
3. LB3 Thunder
4. Primetime Lacrosse
5. Crabs Lacrosse
6. Leading Edge
7. Sweet Lax
8. Eclipse
9. Laxachusetts
10. Big 4 HHH
11. Legends Lacrosse
12. NJLC
13. N.E. Twisters
14. Mad Lax
15. Mesa Lacrosse
16. N.H. Tomahawks
17. FCA
18. Top Gun Fighting Clams
19. West Coast Starz
20. Denver Elite
21. True National
22. Roughriders
23. Team Carolina
24. Boneyard Lacrosse
25. The Lacrosse School

HOCO the Howard County league that started all the mess with holdbacks in MD with their grade based leagues. All Howard County leagues are age based except lacrosse.

Look at the people who run it..All tied to MIAA schools with Holdback children

Howard County Recreation should have a special place in the Hall of Shame of Youth Sports

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the USClubLax Rankings? Surprising the HoCo teams did so poorly this summer at the top events. I've never even heard of some of these clubs. No DC Express, Hawks, or T91 MD. Just Crabs, Madlax, FCA, and Roughriders.

"These rankings are based off the 2018 results at several top tournaments throughout the country (NLF Club National Championship, Naptown National Challenge, Crab Feast And, The NLF Main Event). This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered."

1. Team 91
2. Express Lacrosse
3. LB3 Thunder
4. Primetime Lacrosse
5. Crabs Lacrosse
6. Leading Edge
7. Sweet Lax
8. Eclipse
9. Laxachusetts
10. Big 4 HHH
11. Legends Lacrosse
12. NJLC
13. N.E. Twisters
14. Mad Lax
15. Mesa Lacrosse
16. N.H. Tomahawks
17. FCA
18. Top Gun Fighting Clams
19. West Coast Starz
20. Denver Elite
21. True National
22. Roughriders
23. Team Carolina
24. Boneyard Lacrosse
25. The Lacrosse School

No Hawks? Laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the USClubLax Rankings? Surprising the HoCo teams did so poorly this summer at the top events. I've never even heard of some of these clubs. No DC Express, Hawks, or T91 MD. Just Crabs, Madlax, FCA, and Roughriders.

"These rankings are based off the 2018 results at several top tournaments throughout the country (NLF Club National Championship, Naptown National Challenge, Crab Feast And, The NLF Main Event). This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered."

1. Team 91
2. Express Lacrosse
3. LB3 Thunder
4. Primetime Lacrosse
5. Crabs Lacrosse
6. Leading Edge
7. Sweet Lax
8. Eclipse
9. Laxachusetts
10. Big 4 HHH
11. Legends Lacrosse
12. NJLC
13. N.E. Twisters
14. Mad Lax
15. Mesa Lacrosse
16. N.H. Tomahawks
17. FCA
18. Top Gun Fighting Clams
19. West Coast Starz
20. Denver Elite
21. True National
22. Roughriders
23. Team Carolina
24. Boneyard Lacrosse
25. The Lacrosse School

Apparently you didn't read what the purpose of these "rankings" are. Pasted below:
"Last week, US Lacrosse announced the launch of pilot qualification criteria and an associated website for our 2018 US Lacrosse Nationals event. Understandably, the announcement generated a great amount of discussion on social media because the information released was poorly-worded and misleading.

In fact, US Lacrosse never intended to attempt to identify the best club teams in the country, and the description of the criteria as “ranking” system was an unfortunate mistake. The pilot criteria will be used as a way for teams that participate in US Lacrosse-sanctioned qualifiers to be selected to attend the US Lacrosse Nationals event."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO the Howard County league that started all the mess with holdbacks in MD with their grade based leagues. All Howard County leagues are age based except lacrosse.

Look at the people who run it..All tied to MIAA schools with Holdback children

Howard County Recreation should have a special place in the Hall of Shame of Youth Sports

Yawn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the USClubLax Rankings? Surprising the HoCo teams did so poorly this summer at the top events. I've never even heard of some of these clubs. No DC Express, Hawks, or T91 MD. Just Crabs, Madlax, FCA, and Roughriders.

"These rankings are based off the 2018 results at several top tournaments throughout the country (NLF Club National Championship, Naptown National Challenge, Crab Feast And, The NLF Main Event). This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered."

1. Team 91
2. Express Lacrosse
3. LB3 Thunder
4. Primetime Lacrosse
5. Crabs Lacrosse
6. Leading Edge
7. Sweet Lax
8. Eclipse
9. Laxachusetts
10. Big 4 HHH
11. Legends Lacrosse
12. NJLC
13. N.E. Twisters
14. Mad Lax
15. Mesa Lacrosse
16. N.H. Tomahawks
17. FCA
18. Top Gun Fighting Clams
19. West Coast Starz
20. Denver Elite
21. True National
22. Roughriders
23. Team Carolina
24. Boneyard Lacrosse
25. The Lacrosse School

Apparently you didn't read what the purpose of these "rankings" are. Pasted below:
"Last week, US Lacrosse announced the launch of pilot qualification criteria and an associated website for our 2018 US Lacrosse Nationals event. Understandably, the announcement generated a great amount of discussion on social media because the information released was poorly-worded and misleading.

In fact, US Lacrosse never intended to attempt to identify the best club teams in the country, and the description of the criteria as “ranking” system was an unfortunate mistake. The pilot criteria will be used as a way for teams that participate in US Lacrosse-sanctioned qualifiers to be selected to attend the US Lacrosse Nationals event."

Apparently, you didn’t catch that these aren’t US Lacrosse rankings. These are rankings by a site calling themselves usclublax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the USClubLax Rankings? Surprising the HoCo teams did so poorly this summer at the top events. I've never even heard of some of these clubs. No DC Express, Hawks, or T91 MD. Just Crabs, Madlax, FCA, and Roughriders.

"These rankings are based off the 2018 results at several top tournaments throughout the country (NLF Club National Championship, Naptown National Challenge, Crab Feast And, The NLF Main Event). This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered."

1. Team 91
2. Express Lacrosse
3. LB3 Thunder
4. Primetime Lacrosse
5. Crabs Lacrosse
6. Leading Edge
7. Sweet Lax
8. Eclipse
9. Laxachusetts
10. Big 4 HHH
11. Legends Lacrosse
12. NJLC
13. N.E. Twisters
14. Mad Lax
15. Mesa Lacrosse
16. N.H. Tomahawks
17. FCA
18. Top Gun Fighting Clams
19. West Coast Starz
20. Denver Elite
21. True National
22. Roughriders
23. Team Carolina
24. Boneyard Lacrosse
25. The Lacrosse School

Apparently you didn't read what the purpose of these "rankings" are. Pasted below:
"Last week, US Lacrosse announced the launch of pilot qualification criteria and an associated website for our 2018 US Lacrosse Nationals event. Understandably, the announcement generated a great amount of discussion on social media because the information released was poorly-worded and misleading.

In fact, US Lacrosse never intended to attempt to identify the best club teams in the country, and the description of the criteria as “ranking” system was an unfortunate mistake. The pilot criteria will be used as a way for teams that participate in US Lacrosse-sanctioned qualifiers to be selected to attend the US Lacrosse Nationals event."

Apparently, you didn’t catch that these aren’t US Lacrosse rankings. These are rankings by a site calling themselves usclublax.

Sounds like a reputable site. Look at the url. Says NLF rankings in it. Could that be why all the NLF clubs are ranked so high? Hmmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO the Howard County league that started all the mess with holdbacks in MD with their grade based leagues. All Howard County leagues are age based except lacrosse.

Look at the people who run it..All tied to MIAA schools with Holdback children

Howard County Recreation should have a special place in the Hall of Shame of Youth Sports

Yawn

Yawn , another holdback apologist who cant compete without being a year older than other children

How much is the entry fee for HOCO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the USClubLax Rankings? Surprising the HoCo teams did so poorly this summer at the top events. I've never even heard of some of these clubs. No DC Express, Hawks, or T91 MD. Just Crabs, Madlax, FCA, and Roughriders.

"These rankings are based off the 2018 results at several top tournaments throughout the country (NLF Club National Championship, Naptown National Challenge, Crab Feast And, The NLF Main Event). This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered."

1. Team 91
2. Express Lacrosse
3. LB3 Thunder
4. Primetime Lacrosse
5. Crabs Lacrosse
6. Leading Edge
7. Sweet Lax
8. Eclipse
9. Laxachusetts
10. Big 4 HHH
11. Legends Lacrosse
12. NJLC
13. N.E. Twisters
14. Mad Lax
15. Mesa Lacrosse
16. N.H. Tomahawks
17. FCA
18. Top Gun Fighting Clams
19. West Coast Starz
20. Denver Elite
21. True National
22. Roughriders
23. Team Carolina
24. Boneyard Lacrosse
25. The Lacrosse School

Apparently you didn't read what the purpose of these "rankings" are. Pasted below:
"Last week, US Lacrosse announced the launch of pilot qualification criteria and an associated website for our 2018 US Lacrosse Nationals event. Understandably, the announcement generated a great amount of discussion on social media because the information released was poorly-worded and misleading.

In fact, US Lacrosse never intended to attempt to identify the best club teams in the country, and the description of the criteria as “ranking” system was an unfortunate mistake. The pilot criteria will be used as a way for teams that participate in US Lacrosse-sanctioned qualifiers to be selected to attend the US Lacrosse Nationals event."

Apparently, you didn’t catch that these aren’t US Lacrosse rankings. These are rankings by a site calling themselves usclublax.

Sounds like a reputable site. Look at the url. Says NLF rankings in it. Could that be why all the NLF clubs are ranked so high? Hmmm

I think the guys running USClubLax are too ignorant to realize that T91 North, T91 MD, DC Express, etc. are separate clubs from the licensing company they pay money to.

Why would you include DCE? They literally have one good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone see the USClubLax Rankings? Surprising the HoCo teams did so poorly this summer at the top events. I've never even heard of some of these clubs. No DC Express, Hawks, or T91 MD. Just Crabs, Madlax, FCA, and Roughriders.

"These rankings are based off the 2018 results at several top tournaments throughout the country (NLF Club National Championship, Naptown National Challenge, Crab Feast And, The NLF Main Event). This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered."

1. Team 91
2. Express Lacrosse
3. LB3 Thunder
4. Primetime Lacrosse
5. Crabs Lacrosse
6. Leading Edge
7. Sweet Lax
8. Eclipse
9. Laxachusetts
10. Big 4 HHH
11. Legends Lacrosse
12. NJLC
13. N.E. Twisters
14. Mad Lax
15. Mesa Lacrosse
16. N.H. Tomahawks
17. FCA
18. Top Gun Fighting Clams
19. West Coast Starz
20. Denver Elite
21. True National
22. Roughriders
23. Team Carolina
24. Boneyard Lacrosse
25. The Lacrosse School

No Hawks? Laughable.

No Evergreen no Cav’s even more laughable

The Hoco league plays NCAA rules with a few modifications for youngest grades. Anyone know whether they plan to implement shot clock? Seems far fetched for youth refs to manage. And I don't think it's needed in youth game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco league plays NCAA rules with a few modifications for youngest grades. Anyone know whether they plan to implement shot clock? Seems far fetched for youth refs to manage. And I don't think it's needed in youth game

HoCo has paid score keepers/clock operators and working scoreboards. Minus having a clock on both ends of the field, it doesn't seem to be that much of a hurdle to overcome. The ref simply signals a reset of the shot clock on change of possessions or an offensive reset and the kid working the clock hits the button.

USClubLax has another set of rankings. They have the mid-atlantic rankings out:
1) Crabs
2) Leading Edge
3) Big 4 HHH
4) Mesa
5) Madlax
6) FCA
7) Roughriders
8) Hawks
9) Southshore
10) DC Express / BLC
11) NJLC
12) Dukes
13) Brotherly Love
14) Tri-State
15) HLC
16) Rock
17) BBL
18) Team 11
19) Lax Factory (3d MD)
20) Steps

Here is their note:" Our Mid-Atlantic Regional Rankings! THIS IS NOT OPINION BASED, ALL PERFORMANCE. Here is how we arrived at our rankings: These rankings are based off the 2018 results of 16 of the top tournaments throughout the country. This ranking looks at all age levels within a program. Each age level results are combined to create a program wide win percentage. Teams are given a small deduction if a team is not entered in all age groups. Than a “level of competition” adjustment is made (wins in lower brackets do not amount to as much as a win in the highest bracket). Additionally, a small boost is given to a club if they win an age group. This overall win percentage is program wide. Meaning if a program fields multiple teams in each age group we will take the win percentage from all teams entered"

I have a feeling that clubs with B teams are penalized for having worse records averaged in with their A teams' performance.

Do the Crabs have B teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the Crabs have B teams?

Yes, the B teams are called VLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco league plays NCAA rules with a few modifications for youngest grades. Anyone know whether they plan to implement shot clock? Seems far fetched for youth refs to manage. And I don't think it's needed in youth game

HoCo has paid score keepers/clock operators and working scoreboards. Minus having a clock on both ends of the field, it doesn't seem to be that much of a hurdle to overcome. The ref simply signals a reset of the shot clock on change of possessions or an offensive reset and the kid working the clock hits the button.

What benefit would a shot clock bring to youth games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco league plays NCAA rules with a few modifications for youngest grades. Anyone know whether they plan to implement shot clock? Seems far fetched for youth refs to manage. And I don't think it's needed in youth game

HoCo has paid score keepers/clock operators and working scoreboards. Minus having a clock on both ends of the field, it doesn't seem to be that much of a hurdle to overcome. The ref simply signals a reset of the shot clock on change of possessions or an offensive reset and the kid working the clock hits the button.

Players/coaches need to be able to see the shot clock counting down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the Crabs have B teams?

Yes, the B teams are called VLC.

The Virginia teams are really out of state teams and would most likely not be factored into the ranking if Crabs are ranked number one. Many B teams are made to get extra money out of parents who have kids who do not make the primary team in hopes they will one day get bumped up AKA money grabs. Crabs players do not go to VLC and vice versa. T91 and DCE are not B teams for the LI team? The list is a joke anyway if Hawks are 8 look at HOCO results how many Crabs teams won?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the Crabs have B teams?

Yes, the B teams are called VLC.

The Virginia teams are really out of state teams and would most likely not be factored into the ranking if Crabs are ranked number one. Many B teams are made to get extra money out of parents who have kids who do not make the primary team in hopes they will one day get bumped up AKA money grabs. Crabs players do not go to VLC and vice versa. T91 and DCE are not B teams for the LI team? The list is a joke anyway if Hawks are 8 look at HOCO results how many Crabs teams won?

Yes, it was a joke. Though talent wise, VLC is a B team when compared to Crabs, especially at youth level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco league plays NCAA rules with a few modifications for youngest grades. Anyone know whether they plan to implement shot clock? Seems far fetched for youth refs to manage. And I don't think it's needed in youth game

HoCo has paid score keepers/clock operators and working scoreboards. Minus having a clock on both ends of the field, it doesn't seem to be that much of a hurdle to overcome. The ref simply signals a reset of the shot clock on change of possessions or an offensive reset and the kid working the clock hits the button.

Players/coaches need to be able to see the shot clock counting down.

Shot clock would be a mistake in youth. Would add a complexity to the game that is unwarranted.

As a HoCo parent, I would love to see HoCo clean up the league. There is a simple, easy fix that will keep club owners happy, allow kids some flexibility to play with friends from school, protect the kids from injury, and protect the league from criticism and liability. All HoCo has to do is change one sentence of their bylaws & league rules to mirror what AAU has done for years. AAU knows what it is doing and has struck the perfect grade/age balance and HoCo should learn from AAU's lead.

HoCo's "club" bylaws currently read: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player's current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

The only change that needs to be made is: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level, but in order to play in the 8th grade division the player must not have turned 15 before beginning the 8th grade; to play in the 7th grade division the player must not have turned 14 before beginning the 7th grade; etc. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

As you can see, this tracks the AAU age restrictions found on page 5: http://image.aausports.org/handbooks/boys_basketball/2018_BoysBskHandbook_10-5-2017_V02-GT.pdf.

This simple rule change would allow kids to continue to play with their existing club team, unless they have been held-back more than once. Hopefully we can all agree that with summer birthdays, kids doing pre-K for non-lacrosse reasons, kids repeating grades for academic or admission reasons, there should be some flexibility for kids to play with their current grade, but there really is no reason to allow double-holdbacks to play in a youth league, even if it is grade based. Let's clean up the league and make it a more level, safer playing field for all.

Silly me most 8th graders turn 14 and 7th 13. Keep cheating. Don’t change the rule

What you propose makes sense except HoCo has different divisions based on skills. The biggest offenders of the double holdbacks are the clubs who are well known for this practice. If you are truly concerned, you should go to your club and ask to play in a lower level. There is no shame for wanting to play against equal competition and everyone knows those clubs are the worst practitioners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Silly me most 8th graders turn 14 and 7th 13. Keep cheating. Don’t change the rule

So what is your alternative? Is it - any delayed entry kid born before March 1 (approximate HoCo start date) will have to play in the class category above? Are you advocating the country goes back to strict calendar year to start school so all 8th graders could only be a maximum of 14 for the HoCo league? Is it to follow USL rules on participation?

Others have suggested going strictly by age where on a kid's birthday, they age up into the next group automatically. This way a kid will be the youngest and eventually be the oldest on the team.

Then you have to figure out how to get all the clubs and organizations to follow any change in a way that is to their benefit without financial or organizational pain. The clubs don't care because the older kids make their teams better. The colleges don't care because it is saving them the cost of red-shirting and they now have a better recruiting sense because all these holdbacks have matured and there are less surprises when they hit college. The parents don't care because they think they are doing what's best for their kids.

It's been a problem for a long time but the constant disruption on these threads don't move the needle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco league plays NCAA rules with a few modifications for youngest grades. Anyone know whether they plan to implement shot clock? Seems far fetched for youth refs to manage. And I don't think it's needed in youth game

HoCo has paid score keepers/clock operators and working scoreboards. Minus having a clock on both ends of the field, it doesn't seem to be that much of a hurdle to overcome. The ref simply signals a reset of the shot clock on change of possessions or an offensive reset and the kid working the clock hits the button.

Players/coaches need to be able to see the shot clock counting down.

Shot clock would be a mistake in youth. Would add a complexity to the game that is unwarranted.

I like the idea of a shot clock. There are way too many coaches over-coaching and screaming profanities at kids for taking shots instead of waiting for their best kid to dominate. Implementation would be a challenge. Perhaps use the game clock to be the shot clock and keep the time manually? Or do the scoreboards have a spot for a shot clock already? I think they have a spot for penalties.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco league plays NCAA rules with a few modifications for youngest grades. Anyone know whether they plan to implement shot clock? Seems far fetched for youth refs to manage. And I don't think it's needed in youth game

HoCo has paid score keepers/clock operators and working scoreboards. Minus having a clock on both ends of the field, it doesn't seem to be that much of a hurdle to overcome. The ref simply signals a reset of the shot clock on change of possessions or an offensive reset and the kid working the clock hits the button.

Players/coaches need to be able to see the shot clock counting down.

Shot clock would be a mistake in youth. Would add a complexity to the game that is unwarranted.

I like the idea of a shot clock. There are way too many coaches over-coaching and screaming profanities at kids for taking shots instead of waiting for their best kid to dominate. Implementation would be a challenge. Perhaps use the game clock to be the shot clock and keep the time manually? Or do the scoreboards have a spot for a shot clock already? I think they have a spot for penalties.

The Hoco games already have a scoreboard operator and it would not be much more effort to have them reset the shot clock. Most county leagues could not afford to deal with this, but Howard County could easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco games already have a scoreboard operator and it would not be much more effort to have them reset the shot clock. Most county leagues could not afford to deal with this, but Howard County could easily.

Except that the scoreboard is only on one end of the field.

All the local box leagues use shot clock. If box refs can handle it, why can't a HoCo ref. It is not harder to manage than advancement counts. Yes, a visible clock at both ends would be nice. But it is not essential. A warning at 10 seconds is usually sufficient. The handheld buzzers work too with buzzer at 10 seconds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hoco games already have a scoreboard operator and it would not be much more effort to have them reset the shot clock. Most county leagues could not afford to deal with this, but Howard County could easily.

Except that the scoreboard is only on one end of the field.

I like the shot clock and get rid of the failure to advance. The shot clock serves the same purpose. The scoreboard on one side only seems to be a relatively minor problem and overcome with a little coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the local box leagues use shot clock. If box refs can handle it, why can't a HoCo ref. It is not harder to manage than advancement counts. Yes, a visible clock at both ends would be nice. But it is not essential. A warning at 10 seconds is usually sufficient. The handheld buzzers work too with buzzer at 10 seconds.

A visible clock at both ends is essential. Just like it is in box. That's why the NCAA rule specifically requires it.

And yes, while box leagues have been able to handle it (mostly), that's because they are all playing in indoor arenas that have the systems built in. That is not the case for HoCo. They would have to buy, install, maintain and man each field with systems. It is not realistic - certainly not for this coming Spring. I doubt very many tournaments will even be able to implement it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All the local box leagues use shot clock. If box refs can handle it, why can't a HoCo ref. It is not harder to manage than advancement counts. Yes, a visible clock at both ends would be nice. But it is not essential. A warning at 10 seconds is usually sufficient. The handheld buzzers work too with buzzer at 10 seconds.

A visible clock at both ends is essential. Just like it is in box. That's why the NCAA rule specifically requires it.

And yes, while box leagues have been able to handle it (mostly), that's because they are all playing in indoor arenas that have the systems built in. That is not the case for HoCo. They would have to buy, install, maintain and man each field with systems. It is not realistic - certainly not for this coming Spring. I doubt very many tournaments will even be able to implement it.

Don't need clock at both ends. If the HoCo games are like the HoCo games I have been to in the past, the parents will be yelling SHOOT and counting down the clock like the world is about to end. Everyone will know how much time is left whether they want to or not.

Does anyone have any insight to the spring schedule as it relates to spring break. I feel we can safely assume that there will be no games Easter weekend which is 4/20-4/2, but what about the weekend before. Are all teams playing on the weekend of 4/13-4/14? and if not how do we get insight into who is playing and who is not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone have any insight to the spring schedule as it relates to spring break. I feel we can safely assume that there will be no games Easter weekend which is 4/20-4/2, but what about the weekend before. Are all teams playing on the weekend of 4/13-4/14? and if not how do we get insight into who is playing and who is not?

The dates for spring break are different for school districts vs. private vs. catholic. No games Easter weekend but they definitely will have games all other weekends from 3rd weekend of march to weekend before Memorial Day - which is playoffs. Preliminary grade alignments trickle out to directors/coaches end of Feb. Then schedules a couple weeks before season starts. At least that's how it worked when I coached my older son

When do schedules come out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do schedules come out?

Not before the season starts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do schedules come out?

They are out! And it looks like your kid's team has a game every Sunday at 8:00 in the morning... at Long Reach...be there by 7:00 so you can watch the coaches stroll in around 7:30.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do schedules come out?

They are out! And it looks like your kid's team has a game every Sunday at 8:00 in the morning... at Long Reach...be there by 7:00 so you can watch the coaches stroll in around 7:30.

Season is 3/23 and 3/24 they will be out the 18th or 19th. They get floated to the coaches first for review. Lot's of "ice breakers" NL tourney starts this weekend. ML and Hawks host tourney's some teams have started play days. Hopefully someone will post some lacrosse insight here but not that likely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do schedules come out?

They are out! And it looks like your kid's team has a game every Sunday at 8:00 in the morning... at Long Reach...be there by 7:00 so you can watch the coaches stroll in around 7:30.

Season is 3/23 and 3/24 they will be out the 18th or 19th. They get floated to the coaches first for review. Lot's of "ice breakers" NL tourney starts this weekend. ML and Hawks host tourney's some teams have started play days. Hopefully someone will post some lacrosse insight here but not that likely.

The league has repeatedly sent out the first game to each team less than a week before the season starts. not the entire schedule, just the first game. So don’t expect a schedule the 18th or 19th unless they’ve gotten new blood at headquarters.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/bills/hb/hb1106f.pdf

Call Annapolis. The nanny state is at it again. A bill was introduced because you can’t be trusted to parent. 8th grade and under, no checking.

(F) A YOUTH ATHLETE PARTICIPATING IN HOCKEY OR LACROSSE MAY NOT ENGAGE IN CHECKING.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/bills/hb/hb1106f.pdf

Call Annapolis. The nanny state is at it again. A bill was introduced because you can’t be trusted to parent. 8th grade and under, no checking.

(F) A YOUTH ATHLETE PARTICIPATING IN HOCKEY OR LACROSSE MAY NOT ENGAGE IN CHECKING.

Almost as bothersome:

(C) A YOUTH ATHLETE SHALL USE THE FOLLOWING EQUIPMENT WHILE PARTICIPATING IN A YOUTH SPORTS PROGRAM:
(1) FOR LACROSSE, HOCKEY, RUGBY, AND FOOTBALL, PROPER HEADGEAR AND MOUTH GEAR THAT IS SIZE–APPROPRIATE, REGARDLESS OF GENDER;

How did Soccer (they have rules about heading ball already) or field hockey (high sticking!) not make this list of "with are you trying to legislate" when there are already rules in the game that address this? No description of what checking is (body/stick?) but apparently it's ok for football but not lacrosse (or hockey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did Soccer (they have rules about heading ball already) or field hockey (high sticking!) not make this list of "with are you trying to legislate" when there are already rules in the game that address this? No description of what checking is (body/stick?) but apparently it's ok for football but not lacrosse (or hockey.

Soccer has strict age based rules along with a real governing body. Lacrosse with little age restrictions thinks that 8th graders and below should be playing like college bound players with a total wimp of a governing body.

Still dont agree that the nanny state should get involved.

So my Son is on one of the teams who was bumped down from Elite. HOCO commissioner told the Coach it was because the didn't have enough Reclass players! Team 91 who lost every game last year was allowed to stay because the petition the Commissioner the moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 team. Elite will be the same Teams from last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So my Son is on one of the teams who was bumped down from Elite. HOCO commissioner told the Coach it was because the didn't have enough Reclass players! Team 91 who lost every game last year was allowed to stay because the petition the Commissioner the moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 team. Elite will be the same Teams from last year.

Why doesn't your son's team find some older kids to add?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So my Son is on one of the teams who was bumped down from Elite.

....

Elite will be the same Teams from last year.

I'm confused. Which is it, was a team bumped down out of the elite division, or will the elite division be the same teams from last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So my Son is on one of the teams who was bumped down from Elite. HOCO commissioner told the Coach it was because the didn't have enough Reclass players! Team 91 who lost every game last year was allowed to stay because the petition the Commissioner the moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 team. Elite will be the same Teams from last year.

Why doesn't your son's team find some older kids to add?

You have the final realignment? Our team was told we'd prob be bumped down, just wondering.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So my Son is on one of the teams who was bumped down from Elite. HOCO commissioner told the Coach it was because the didn't have enough Reclass players! Team 91 who lost every game last year was allowed to stay because the petition the Commissioner the moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 team. Elite will be the same Teams from last year.

Can you please spend 5 more seconds when writing a post. This is almost impossible to decipher.

The 2023 Elite Division Should Look like this:

Crabs
Hawks
FCA
Looney's
DC Dogs
Next Level
Team 91
BLC
VLC
South River

We were told VLC and SR are both moving up this year; not surprised 91 is bring in the 22 team to play 23. I feel sorry for the 23 kids who stayed with this club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So my Son is on one of the teams who was bumped down from Elite. HOCO commissioner told the Coach it was because the didn't have enough Reclass players! Team 91 who lost every game last year was allowed to stay because the petition the Commissioner the moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 team. Elite will be the same Teams from last year.

Can you please spend 5 more seconds when writing a post. This is almost impossible to decipher.

In other words the same teams from last season will be in Elite and VLC and SR will be in AAA. They were no bumped down they just were not moved up. Question, will AAA now be a 14 team division or will other teams be moved to AA, A and B? Is this just for 2023 or have the other divisions been released?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 Elite Division Should Look like this:

Crabs
Hawks
FCA
Looney's
DC Dogs
Next Level
Team 91
BLC
VLC
South River

We were told VLC and SR are both moving up this year; not surprised 91 is bring in the 22 team to play 23. I feel sorry for the 23 kids who stayed with this club

It was decided that they are not moving up.

Ten teams were in the Elite division two weeks ago. The Competition Committee, which includes Madlax and Team 91, met last week and changed their minds. The Elite division will be set with the same 8 from last year. VLC and South River were told by the Commissioner they were both not moved up because neither Team has any ReClassed players. Team 91 who lost all their games last season moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 to the 23 Team was allowed to stay. So the Elite division will be another 15/16 who cant play on age league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ten teams were in the Elite division two weeks ago. The Competition Committee, which includes Madlax and Team 91, met last week and changed their minds. The Elite division will be set with the same 8 from last year. VLC and South River were told by the Commissioner they were both not moved up because neither Team has any ReClassed players. Team 91 who lost all their games last season moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 to the 23 Team was allowed to stay. So the Elite division will be another 15/16 who cant play on age league.

So in other words VLC and South River get to battle it out with other 8th grade teams to see who the best 8th grade team is in the Mid-Atlantic while something called Elite will have a few 8th graders mixed in with kids who should be 9th and 10th graders. Got it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ten teams were in the Elite division two weeks ago. The Competition Committee, which includes Madlax and Team 91, met last week and changed their minds. The Elite division will be set with the same 8 from last year. VLC and South River were told by the Commissioner they were both not moved up because neither Team has any ReClassed players. Team 91 who lost all their games last season moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 to the 23 Team was allowed to stay. So the Elite division will be another 15/16 who cant play on age league.

So in other words VLC and South River get to battle it out with other 8th grade teams to see who the best 8th grade team is in the Mid-Atlantic while something called Elite will have a few 8th graders mixed in with kids who should be 9th and 10th graders. Got it.

South River was ejected from participating in a post-season game several years ago before they fully joined HoCo. Don't assume because they are less talented that they are also all on-age 8th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ten teams were in the Elite division two weeks ago. The Competition Committee, which includes Madlax and Team 91, met last week and changed their minds. The Elite division will be set with the same 8 from last year. VLC and South River were told by the Commissioner they were both not moved up because neither Team has any ReClassed players. Team 91 who lost all their games last season moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 to the 23 Team was allowed to stay. So the Elite division will be another 15/16 who cant play on age league.

He Holds his kids back and then ruins the 2023 Team who should have been playing AA for the past 2 years. Again I feel sorry for any of those kids on the 23 team that are on age and elected to stay with this organization!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ten teams were in the Elite division two weeks ago. The Competition Committee, which includes Madlax and Team 91, met last week and changed their minds. The Elite division will be set with the same 8 from last year. VLC and South River were told by the Commissioner they were both not moved up because neither Team has any ReClassed players. Team 91 who lost all their games last season moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 to the 23 Team was allowed to stay. So the Elite division will be another 15/16 who cant play on age league.

He Holds his kids back and then ruins the 2023 Team who should have been playing AA for the past 2 years. Again I feel sorry for any of those kids on the 23 team that are on age and elected to stay with this organization!!

A lot of the original 2023 Team 91 kids did not elect to stay with the team. Per a parent of a new kid I spoke with at a recent box tournament, the team's practices so far have been about kids getting to know each other (and of course being drilled on who they are supposed to pass the ball to).

91 has one hold back and is almost entirely made up of kids from last year's team. Thanks for playing
RR has a half dozen HBs

VLC and SR not allowed to play Elite b/c no holdbacks. That's notIntelligent and not true. VLC has holdbacks especially at 2024.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has one hold back and is almost entirely made up of kids from last year's team. Thanks for playing
RR has a half dozen HBs

RR doesn’t have a 23 team you stunad.

It is a joke D.A. Way to be on the pulse of youth lacrosse.
I guess you were the stunad coach of the RR23 team who destroyed some outstanding talent to further your own child's future. Way to go their fella. At least the other kids got to get real coaching.

RR22s now play for other club's 2023.

I enjoy watching my kid's 2023 team of on age 13 and 14 year olds compete with the 15 year olds every week. Just like HS. Which has 14 year olds playing 19 year olds in many cases. Never hear a complaint once they hit HS.

Make sure your kids don't play lax in college because you will get 17 year olds versus guys in their early and mid 20s.

Pro game has 22 year olds v guys in their 30s.

Don't get a real job...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 Elite Division Should Look like this:

Crabs
Hawks
FCA
Looney's
DC Dogs
Next Level
Team 91
BLC
VLC
South River

We were told VLC and SR are both moving up this year; not surprised 91 is bring in the 22 team to play 23. I feel sorry for the 23 kids who stayed with this club

Why feel sorry?? They will be held back at the end of this year and play 2024 next year. That is the MD way now !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ten teams were in the Elite division two weeks ago. The Competition Committee, which includes Madlax and Team 91, met last week and changed their minds. The Elite division will be set with the same 8 from last year. VLC and South River were told by the Commissioner they were both not moved up because neither Team has any ReClassed players. Team 91 who lost all their games last season moved a bunch of kids down from the 22 to the 23 Team was allowed to stay. So the Elite division will be another 15/16 who cant play on age league.

So in other words VLC and South River get to battle it out with other 8th grade teams to see who the best 8th grade team is in the Mid-Atlantic while something called Elite will have a few 8th graders mixed in with kids who should be 9th and 10th graders. Got it.

About time . This is MD lacrosse where playing down is the norm !

HOCO Schedules are up.

Schedule is out

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Thank you for the times, I still haven't received any information. Being this close to tryouts has any other communication been sent out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Money grab don’t waste your time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Money grab don’t waste your time

Thanks for being so insightful!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Money grab don’t waste your time

Is there any tournament or showcase that isnt at this time ???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Where did you find this information? I emailed them and called and received no response. Their voice message sounds as if it was recorded by a child. I looked at the video on-line of last year's event and the games appeared poorly run and officiated with the amount of contact allowed, especially at the younger age groups.

It sounds like a neat idea but it appears to be on the lower end of organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Where did you find this information? I emailed them and called and received no response. Their voice message sounds as if it was recorded by a child. I looked at the video on-line of last year's event and the games appeared poorly run and officiated with the amount of contact allowed, especially at the younger age groups.

It sounds like a neat idea but it appears to be on the lower end of organization.

I did received an email today confirming the times above are correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Money grab don’t waste your time

Absolute money grab for the 2021/2022's. A total of 10 players showed up for this tryout. Not even enough players to create 1 team let alone 2. The organizer should have some integrity and cancelled this tryout. Only 1 tryout was scheduled and they knew full well they will not be able to create a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Money grab don’t waste your time

Absolute money grab for the 2021/2022's. A total of 10 players showed up for this tryout. Not even enough players to create 1 team let alone 2. The organizer should have some integrity and cancelled this tryout. Only 1 tryout was scheduled and they knew full well they will not be able to create a team.

They do not have top create a team from this try out..Players who did go and are good enough will be placed on a team from this region. Integrity? We need this opportunity for kids so they are not sucked into the Under Armor event every year and think that is the only event that matters. Under Armor has teams picked before they even begin and you will rarely see a kid on age get picked. They are all money crabs - every event also relies on walk registration to fulfill there numbers. 21/22 all playing high school ball and I'm sure had practice same day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Money grab don’t waste your time

Absolute money grab for the 2021/2022's. A total of 10 players showed up for this tryout. Not even enough players to create 1 team let alone 2. The organizer should have some integrity and cancelled this tryout. Only 1 tryout was scheduled and they knew full well they will not be able to create a team.

They do not have top create a team from this try out..Players who did go and are good enough will be placed on a team from this region. Integrity? We need this opportunity for kids so they are not sucked into the Under Armor event every year and think that is the only event that matters. Under Armor has teams picked before they even begin and you will rarely see a kid on age get picked. They are all money crabs - every event also relies on walk registration to fulfill there numbers. 21/22 all playing high school ball and I'm sure had practice same day.

Yes, integrity. I have never seen anything like this and that was the consensus among the kids and parents. There's a reason you need to poach kids before Under Armour, because Under Armour is a top notch event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what time tryouts are for Warrior All American this Sunday? Times are not listed.

Mid-Atlantic Tryout Details

Location: Naval Academy (Main Field)

Date: March 24th

2025-2026: 8:00-9:30
2023-2024: 9:45-11:00
2021-2022: 11:15-12:45
2027-2028:1:00-2:15
All Girls: 2:30-4:00

Money grab don’t waste your time

Absolute money grab for the 2021/2022's. A total of 10 players showed up for this tryout. Not even enough players to create 1 team let alone 2. The organizer should have some integrity and cancelled this tryout. Only 1 tryout was scheduled and they knew full well they will not be able to create a team.

They do not have top create a team from this try out..Players who did go and are good enough will be placed on a team from this region. Integrity? We need this opportunity for kids so they are not sucked into the Under Armor event every year and think that is the only event that matters. Under Armor has teams picked before they even begin and you will rarely see a kid on age get picked. They are all money crabs - every event also relies on walk registration to fulfill there numbers. 21/22 all playing high school ball and I'm sure had practice same day.

Yes, integrity. I have never seen anything like this and that was the consensus among the kids and parents. There's a reason you need to poach kids before Under Armour, because Under Armour is a top notch event.

My son who is a 2022 was offered a spot and told he didn't need to go to the tryout. I know of 2 others who had the same deal so I am sure there were even more. FWIW, he has no interest in doing the event.

I love it how the above poster mentions "Under Armor has teams picked before they even begin". Apparently Warrior does too, but at least Under Armour has a great turn out, so they can have a true comparison of skill.

Anyone know how HOCO handles lightning delays?
Do they cancel the current game?
Or do they keep pushing them all back until another league or sport has the time scheduled?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know how HOCO handles lightning delays?
Do they cancel the current game?
Or do they keep pushing them all back until another league or sport has the time scheduled?

The current game is cancelled and rescheduled

Where do they find these referees? Whoever the crew was at Troy Park on Fields 3&4 were horrendous. The county should ask for a refund for those clowns

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do they find these referees? Whoever the crew was at Troy Park on Fields 3&4 were horrendous. The county should ask for a refund for those clowns

There is a severe shortage of officials because of both the growth of the sport and also the behavior of the parents and coaches. If you think you can do better then sign up to be an official and give it a go!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do they find these referees? Whoever the crew was at Troy Park on Fields 3&4 were horrendous. The county should ask for a refund for those clowns

Go away meathead. It’s youth lacrosse. Your son won’t even be playing in a several years.

Gawd, the new WWW site is awful...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gawd, the new WWW site is awful...

Wow, it is horrible, pretty much unusable, old one may have been a little dated but at least it was easy to follow and find a team. Sometimes good enough is just that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gawd, the new WWW site is awful...

Epic fail HoCo admin. Are you kidding me? What are you thinking? It’s worse than the MPLL site, and thats embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gawd, the new WWW site is awful...

You are being too kind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gawd, the new WWW site is awful...

You are being too kind.

It's almost like they said "What's the worst possible website we could put out to the parents and teams" Let's just go with that one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gawd, the new WWW site is awful...

Wow, it is horrible, pretty much unusable, old one may have been a little dated but at least it was easy to follow and find a team. Sometimes good enough is just that

It looks like a site I created in my web design class, in 1997

The new website is totally a holdback.

After a fixes I actually like the new website better. I wonder if they read this stuff??

The website is mostly fixed although scrolling by division/age group isn't ordered in a way that makes sense.

With the season wrapping up, here are the clubs which are fielding the top level teams for all grades (2023 - 2028).

These are the clubs with more than one team at various age levels and how well they are doing on the field.

Hawks - 5 Top Level Teams, 86% Winning Pct. -Annapolis
Madlax - 6 Top Level Teams, 74% Winning Pct. -DC
DC Express/Bethesda LC - 6 Top Level Teams, 52% Winning Pct. -DC
Team 91 - 5 Top Level Teams, 49% Winning Pct. -Balt
Next Level - 5 Top Level Teams, 46% Winning Pct. -DC
Crabs - 4 Top Level Teams, 43% Winning Pct. -Balt
Looney's - 5 Top Level Teams, 40% Winning Pct. -Balt
FCA - 6 Top Level Teams, 33% Winning Pct. -Balt

Interesting to see how poorly FCA is doing even with all of the Calvert Hall Success.
Also, Crabs apparently has lost a lot of ground to Team 91 in Baltimore.
Next Level improved greatly.

Bummer to see clubs like Diamondbacks, Cannons, and Roughriders no longer fielding more than 1 team at the top level.

I agree - after the fixes, the site is much more modern and easier to navigate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the season wrapping up, here are the clubs which are fielding the top level teams for all grades (2023 - 2028).

These are the clubs with more than one team at various age levels and how well they are doing on the field.

Hawks - 5 Top Level Teams, 86% Winning Pct. -Annapolis
Madlax - 6 Top Level Teams, 74% Winning Pct. -DC
DC Express/Bethesda LC - 6 Top Level Teams, 52% Winning Pct. -DC
Team 91 - 5 Top Level Teams, 49% Winning Pct. -Balt
Next Level - 5 Top Level Teams, 46% Winning Pct. -DC
Crabs - 4 Top Level Teams, 43% Winning Pct. -Balt
Looney's - 5 Top Level Teams, 40% Winning Pct. -Balt
FCA - 6 Top Level Teams, 33% Winning Pct. -Balt

Interesting to see how poorly FCA is doing even with all of the Calvert Hall Success.
Also, Crabs apparently has lost a lot of ground to Team 91 in Baltimore.
Next Level improved greatly.

Bummer to see clubs like Diamondbacks, Cannons, and Roughriders no longer fielding more than 1 team at the top level.

Hawks - 3 Championships
Madlax - 2 Championships
Crabs - 1 Championship

Madlax, Team 91, Bethesda/DC Express, Looney's, Next Level, and USS all were runner up at one level or another.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the season wrapping up, here are the clubs which are fielding the top level teams for all grades (2023 - 2028).

These are the clubs with more than one team at various age levels and how well they are doing on the field.

Hawks - 5 Top Level Teams, 86% Winning Pct. -Annapolis
Madlax - 6 Top Level Teams, 74% Winning Pct. -DC
DC Express/Bethesda LC - 6 Top Level Teams, 52% Winning Pct. -DC
Team 91 - 5 Top Level Teams, 49% Winning Pct. -Balt
Next Level - 5 Top Level Teams, 46% Winning Pct. -DC
Crabs - 4 Top Level Teams, 43% Winning Pct. -Balt
Looney's - 5 Top Level Teams, 40% Winning Pct. -Balt
FCA - 6 Top Level Teams, 33% Winning Pct. -Balt

Interesting to see how poorly FCA is doing even with all of the Calvert Hall Success.
Also, Crabs apparently has lost a lot of ground to Team 91 in Baltimore.
Next Level improved greatly.

Bummer to see clubs like Diamondbacks, Cannons, and Roughriders no longer fielding more than 1 team at the top level.

Has HoCo made any decisions regarding spring league? Is it completely cancelled?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has HoCo made any decisions regarding spring league? Is it completely cancelled?

Nothing official, but I would be shocked if they play a game. Summer is highly in doubt at this point. Reports saying that MD cases will his their peak around July 4th don't give much hope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has HoCo made any decisions regarding spring league? Is it completely cancelled?

Nothing official, but I would be shocked if they play a game. Summer is highly in doubt at this point. Reports saying that MD cases will his their peak around July 4th don't give much hope.

Unfortunately, I think you are right.

We won't play until the curve starts showing signs of going down. Even then I would think kids sports are low on the priority list. I think summer ball is pretty much a scrap. Maybe an abbreviated summer tournament season starting Mid July or August is the best bet. But then again I was hopeful for 4/27. So I along with others are far from experts on this. What I can guarantee is that we probably arent getting our money back.

NAL already announced they are moving from June to July.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL already announced they are moving from June to July.

If we see a downward decline at the end of April that is a possibility and I am keeping my fingers crossed. I just don't see it thought. An abbreviated schedule by mid July or beginning of August is probably the most ideal situation vs. canceling the whole season. Kids lacrosse is very low on the priority list. So even we we get things going as a country by end of April it may 2-3 more months before everything else opens up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL already announced they are moving from June to July.

If we see a downward decline at the end of April that is a possibility and I am keeping my fingers crossed. I just don't see it thought. An abbreviated schedule by mid July or beginning of August is probably the most ideal situation vs. canceling the whole season. Kids lacrosse is very low on the priority list. So even we we get things going as a country by end of April it may 2-3 more months before everything else opens up.

At a minimum, state travel advisories may remain in effect through summer, so teams like 91 NY, Laxachusetts, etc. unlikely to travel even if local rec sports are permitted. Maybe directors could combine some of these events to create more localized tournaments.

Crabs are headed back to full team practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are headed back to full team practices.

When did they say practice would start back up ?? I hope this is true !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are headed back to full team practices.

Considering Maryland still prohibits "large gatherings" of 10 or more, where are they holding these practices?

Crabs are headed back to full team practices.

Called Rumor Control. This is not true.

Most teams have groups of players getting together in smaller groups and practicing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are headed back to full team practices.

Considering Maryland still prohibits "large gatherings" of 10 or more, where are they holding these practices?

The University of zoom

Absolutely true. King Crab moving one county over to Harford since Baltimore County hasn't opened.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely true. King Crab moving one county over to Harford since Baltimore County hasn't opened.

and neither has Harford Co.

Isn't Harford in phase 1?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isn't Harford in phase 1?

Carrol County/Coppermine facility. 2 birds with 1 stone. County in Phase 1 and private facility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Absolutely true. King Crab moving one county over to Harford since Baltimore County hasn't opened.

Has Crabfeast date been moved to new date

Currently scheduled for August 1-2nd in HoCo

http://kuzbassfm.ru/away.php?url=https://t.me/s/zerkalo_1xbet_melbet_bk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://kuzbassfm.ru/away.php?url=https://t.me/s/zerkalo_1xbet_melbet_bk

ru/ is Russia??

Hearing rumor of a Fall HOCO league. Anyone have the details?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing rumor of a Fall HOCO league. Anyone have the details?

Its toast. Howard County runs it..Do I need to say more..

Posted on Zingos website: FYI
“Greater Howard Co Lacrosse Conference”
-7 game season with playoffs
-Games played on Mondays, Fri, Sat, Sun
-youth and HS teams
-starts as early as 8/28

Here is the HoCo fall ball league link:

https://anc.apm.activecommunities.c...nlineSiteId=0&from_original_cui=true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the HoCo fall ball league link:

https://anc.apm.activecommunities.c...nlineSiteId=0&from_original_cui=true

That's not the one. There will be a GHCLC with club teams just as there was in previous springs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the HoCo fall ball league link:

https://anc.apm.activecommunities.c...nlineSiteId=0&from_original_cui=true

That's not the one. There will be a GHCLC with club teams just as there was in previous springs.

Plus it looks like the Fall league will include high school age club teams - unlike the Spring league.

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

Tons of kids at Zingos tryouts today. They are going to make some serious noise this spring! (Or fall).

Zingos???? Making noise?? With all do respect I watched their 2026 team put forth a feeble attempt to compete against an at best weak Breakers team at Summer Exposure. From what I saw they are in no position to make noise anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

We were told it was "expected" to occur, with the first games at the end of August. Things are constantly changing, but MD Covid numbers continue to improve and HOCO has been allowing lax for well over a month now...so seems like a good possibility they will have a Fall season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

We were told it was "expected" to occur, with the first games at the end of August. Things are constantly changing, but MD Covid numbers continue to improve and HOCO has been allowing lax for well over a month now...so seems like a good possibility they will have a Fall season.

I haven't heard a word about the fall league from our coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

We were told it was "expected" to occur, with the first games at the end of August. Things are constantly changing, but MD Covid numbers continue to improve and HOCO has been allowing lax for well over a month now...so seems like a good possibility they will have a Fall season.

I haven't heard a word about the fall league from our coach.

Same.

Appreciate folks posting info here. I really am at a loss why Hoco can't put anything on their website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

We were told it was "expected" to occur, with the first games at the end of August. Things are constantly changing, but MD Covid numbers continue to improve and HOCO has been allowing lax for well over a month now...so seems like a good possibility they will have a Fall season.

End of August is here and no one knows anything. Plus teams haven't even begun to start practicing with their new rosters. Cant see it happening, not soon at least.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

We were told it was "expected" to occur, with the first games at the end of August. Things are constantly changing, but MD Covid numbers continue to improve and HOCO has been allowing lax for well over a month now...so seems like a good possibility they will have a Fall season.

End of August is here and no one knows anything. Plus teams haven't even begun to start practicing with their new rosters. Cant see it happening, not soon at least.

League is a go for high school teams

First game September 11

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

We were told it was "expected" to occur, with the first games at the end of August. Things are constantly changing, but MD Covid numbers continue to improve and HOCO has been allowing lax for well over a month now...so seems like a good possibility they will have a Fall season.

End of August is here and no one knows anything. Plus teams haven't even begun to start practicing with their new rosters. Cant see it happening, not soon at least.

My son's 23 team has practice scheduled for Sunday. Still haven't heard anything more about HOCO league though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Above is a link to a clinics. Is there definitely fall ball HOCO league? My son plays rock and we have not been told anything

We were told it was "expected" to occur, with the first games at the end of August. Things are constantly changing, but MD Covid numbers continue to improve and HOCO has been allowing lax for well over a month now...so seems like a good possibility they will have a Fall season.

End of August is here and no one knows anything. Plus teams haven't even begun to start practicing with their new rosters. Cant see it happening, not soon at least.

My son's 23 team has practice scheduled for Sunday. Still haven't heard anything more about HOCO league though.

Maybe your sons team was not invited to play.

Does anyone know who will be playing in the "FAALL" league?
Based on the screen print I've see at least CCLax and the Hawks.

Zingos is the lax bros of Krusty the Clown's. Only not as athletic or smart. But they'll gladly take your money, even if little lax bro has never even picked up a stick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos is the lax bros of Krusty the Clown's. Only not as athletic or smart. But they'll gladly take your money, even if little lax bro has never even picked up a stick.

Zingos is a sold rec+ organization and never tries to be anything more. If you have an issue with that please play elsewhere. No one thinks Zingos will compete with top teams, but there are a ton of great coaches in the organization and many players who have moved on to start and dominate on big time clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos is the lax bros of Krusty the Clown's. Only not as athletic or smart. But they'll gladly take your money, even if little lax bro has never even picked up a stick.

Wow. Maybe they see something in “little lax bro” that they believe they can develop. It’s nice there are some clubs who will give kids the chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos is the lax bros of Krusty the Clown's. Only not as athletic or smart. But they'll gladly take your money, even if little lax bro has never even picked up a stick.

Those are some bitter words? I cant believe your son got cut from Zingo's? OUCH ! I bet it wasnt his play but attitude, which is easily understood with your remarks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos is the lax bros of Krusty the Clown's. Only not as athletic or smart. But they'll gladly take your money, even if little lax bro has never even picked up a stick.

Those are some bitter words? I cant believe your son got cut from Zingo's? OUCH ! I bet it wasnt his play but attitude, which is easily understood with your remarks.

☝🏻

Why pay $2000+ for a rec+ org. Just play rec and save the money. Lots of great coaches in rec level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos is the lax bros of Krusty the Clown's. Only not as athletic or smart. But they'll gladly take your money, even if little lax bro has never even picked up a stick.

Those are some bitter words? I cant believe your son got cut from Zingo's? OUCH ! I bet it wasnt his play but attitude, which is easily understood with your remarks.

Sounds like you might be a little salty that Zingos took your money and your son didn't get any better. Well at least you have the memories and the check stub.

Is Hoco happening this fall???? Who is playing and when does it start?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why pay $2000+ for a rec+ org. Just play rec and save the money. Lots of great coaches in rec level.

how many rec programs at the high school age?

i know of only one rec program at the high school age.....Rock.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Hoco happening this fall???? Who is playing and when does it start?

My son's team (23) was told by the coach that it was happening, with games on Friday evenings. I haven't seen any "official" confirmation and certainly not a schedule.

My son's team was also told that league is happening. Games will be Fri at 6:30 or 8:00 at certain high schools in Columbia. Starts next Friday (8/11). My guess is schedule won't come out until last minute due to divisions and teams crying over them. Elite vs AAA vs AAA, etc...

There are only two divisions (B and A) max per agegroup. It was max 8 teams per division, they expanded to 10. But some divisions have less than 5 teams registered, so they have said they may combine into a single agegroup without divisions. The B division was initially offered to rec programs. The alignments will be likely follow how teams align for the summer: B and A in "B" and AA and above in "A"

Teams will have to play doubleheaders too

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

Less a secret and more simply not having a final list. I imagine they are waiting for any last minute additions before finalizing and publishing the schedules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

No Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

No Hawks.

For any year? That's too bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

No Hawks.

For any year? That's too bad.

Hawks owner created his own money grab Fall league. But nobody has signed up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

No Hawks.

For any year? That's too bad.

Using the link below, they have graphics for many teams, but not all teams, who played in the spring league. When you click the graphic it asks the admin of the team to submit rosters for that club. The Hawks are listed.

https://greater-howard-club-lacrosse-conference.sportsengine-prelive.com/boysroster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

Less a secret and more simply not having a final list. I imagine they are waiting for any last minute additions before finalizing and publishing the schedules.

This. Some clubs were still holding tryouts.

If no one signs up for the new Hawks League and the Hawks dodge Hoco shouldn’t that impact each Hawk team’s ranking? Just saying if you do not play it should impact your ranking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

Less a secret and more simply not having a final list. I imagine they are waiting for any last minute additions before finalizing and publishing the schedules.

This. Some clubs were still holding tryouts.

Rosters are due September 9th

New site: https://www.ghclacrosse.com

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New site: https://www.ghclacrosse.com

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If no one signs up for the new Hawks League and the Hawks dodge Hoco shouldn’t that impact each Hawk team’s ranking? Just saying if you do not play it should impact your ranking.

Nice try but HoCo is not factored into any rankings. Just tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If no one signs up for the new Hawks League and the Hawks dodge Hoco shouldn’t that impact each Hawk team’s ranking? Just saying if you do not play it should impact your ranking.

Nice try but HoCo is not factored into any rankings. Just tournaments.

Madlax isn't playing Hoco - don't think it will affect their ranking

Impact your ranking? But the rankings are totally non-biased, independent, and scientific. They are very transparent and list all the "voters." It's not like US Club Lacrosse rankings are a marketing hammerhead. Business interests and backroom deals have NOTHING to do with these highly accurate rankings. I mean, they have an official web site and are printed on the internet, so they must be legit. Surely they aren't a money grab or a hammerhead to help certain clubs maintain the veneer of being 'the best.'

US Club Lacrosse powering first-of-its-kind Club Lacrosse Nationals tournament
8/14/2019

US Club Lacrosse is excited to announce that we will be powering The Club Lacrosse Nationals 2020 in January near Orlando, Florida. The new tournament will be held from Jan. 3-5 and feature boys club teams from 2022-2029. It is a collaboration between US Club Lacrosse, Madlax and LI Legacy, who already own and operate experienced event management companies in MDLX Events and Top Lacrosse Tournaments.

The top 100 teams in our 2022-2025 rankings will be automatically invited to participate, while all 2026-2029 teams nationally are welcome to join. Thanks to the tournament being the first of the calendar year, it’ll also serve as the first piece of results for our 2022-2026 rankings next season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

No Hawks.

They are first team listed for roster on HOCO site??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

No Hawks.

They are first team listed for roster on HOCO site??

If you register for sports engine, which you'll need to do, you can choose each club and see which grades each club has entered. Hawks have 24 and 25 black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs have joined the league? Crabs, Looneys, 91, BLC, Hawks? Why is hoco keeping the identity of the teams a closely guarded secret?

No Hawks.

They are first team listed for roster on HOCO site??

Hawks parent confirms they are playing FAALL

Is FAALL different than HOCO?

Yes - Hoco is played in Howard County and has a history of spring league play for travel teams ranging in caliber going from B, A, AA, AAA to Elite. FAALL is new league in Anne Arundel County for fall - only just a few HS teams have been published so far. Hoco will have season this fall with schedule and teams to published shortly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes - Hoco is played in Howard County and has a history of spring league play for travel teams ranging in caliber going from B, A, AA, AAA to Elite. FAALL is new league in Anne Arundel County for fall - only just a few HS teams have been published so far. Hoco will have season this fall with schedule and teams to published shortly.

So I take it FAALL (not the most hopeful of acronyms) is the Hawks created league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes - Hoco is played in Howard County and has a history of spring league play for travel teams ranging in caliber going from B, A, AA, AAA to Elite. FAALL is new league in Anne Arundel County for fall - only just a few HS teams have been published so far. Hoco will have season this fall with schedule and teams to published shortly.

So I take it FAALL (not the most hopeful of acronyms) is the Hawks created league?

AACRP, Legendary Sports Group (LSG), HoganLax and QuickStix

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes - Hoco is played in Howard County and has a history of spring league play for travel teams ranging in caliber going from B, A, AA, AAA to Elite. FAALL is new league in Anne Arundel County for fall - only just a few HS teams have been published so far. Hoco will have season this fall with schedule and teams to published shortly.

So I take it FAALL (not the most hopeful of acronyms) is the Hawks created league?

AACRP, Legendary Sports Group (LSG), HoganLax and QuickStix

The FAALL will FAAILL! Hogan Money Grab League!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes - Hoco is played in Howard County and has a history of spring league play for travel teams ranging in caliber going from B, A, AA, AAA to Elite. FAALL is new league in Anne Arundel County for fall - only just a few HS teams have been published so far. Hoco will have season this fall with schedule and teams to published shortly.

So I take it FAALL (not the most hopeful of acronyms) is the Hawks created league?

AACRP, Legendary Sports Group (LSG), HoganLax and QuickStix

The FAALL will FAAILL! Hogan Money Grab League!

ha! It's a good idea, but they weren't quick enough to beat GHCLC to establishing a fall season for this year. Next year though maybe.

Schedules for HS and ES are live https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boyslax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules for HS and ES are live https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boyslax

Great lineups! Can’t wait to watch the compete.

Are they still having a Middle School division?

Great line up for the 2024s. Not so much for 2022s and 2023s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are they still having a Middle School division?

Yes that schedule will prob come out later today. Games on Sundays

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are they still having a Middle School division?

Yes that schedule will prob come out later today. Games on Sundays

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/msboys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great line up for the 2024s. Not so much for 2022s and 2023s.

Agreed 2023 is horrible.... 2022 not much better.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great line up for the 2024s. Not so much for 2022s and 2023s.

Agreed 2023 is horrible.... 2022 not much better.....

2026 has a solid top 4: FCA, BLC, Looney's, VLC

Agreed great 2024 action, and 2025 and 2026 looks great too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed great 2024 action, and 2025 and 2026 looks great too

Where do you see 25-27 listed? All I see are 28/29 then 22-24

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/msboys

Then choose year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/msboys

Then choose year

Thanks - for some reason HS and Elementary school have icons in the page where MS doesn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great line up for the 2024s. Not so much for 2022s and 2023s.

Agreed 2023 is horrible.... 2022 not much better.....

Not sure if the 2022 and 2023 divisions are even going to continue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed great 2024 action, and 2025 and 2026 looks great too

Actually thought 25 looked a little weak. No 91, Madlax, Crabs, DCE, or Looney’s and the “B” team for the Hawks.

Look under Middle School (27s-25s)- the HS and ES schedules were posted first

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed great 2024 action, and 2025 and 2026 looks great too

Actually thought 25 looked a little weak. No 91, Madlax, Crabs, DCE, or Looney’s and the “B” team for the Hawks.

91 was on the roster select list yet none of their teams are shown at any grade level. Maybe some of the teams are joining the new F.A.A.L.L league that is still yet to publish their middle school teams.

91 parent. Simple reason why 91 not doing either league. Million doesn’t want to pay. Money out of his pocket.

Not surprised, 91 parent told me his kid had to join another club's winter box team to use the skills he learned in 91 box clinic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 parent. Simple reason why 91 not doing either league. Million doesn’t want to pay. Money out of his pocket.

91 will play in good events, but they are few and far between and the majority will be Millon events.

What is the difference between Crabs and Crabs Old Bay in 24A division. Which is the better team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the difference between Crabs and Crabs Old Bay in 24A division. Which is the better team?

Crabs Old Bay is the Looneys 2024 team that King Crab stole during COVID19. Looneys were asleep at the wheel during early parts COVID19 with communication.

Crabs will have something to say about that.

Yesterday was opening weekend, there's no scores posted yet. Who is supposed to do that? Also, the bleachers in the stadiums were chained off. Why aren't spectators allowed to sit down? Being able to spread out across the bleachers provides more social distancing distance than everyone having to stand along the fence! HoCo take the chains down!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday was opening weekend, there's no scores posted yet. Who is supposed to do that? Also, the bleachers in the stadiums were chained off. Why aren't spectators allowed to sit down? Being able to spread out across the bleachers provides more social distancing distance than everyone having to stand along the fence! HoCo take the chains down!

The silly thing is that bleachers at the Howard County high schools are open. But the schools don't have sports. Howard County parks is running sports using those facilities.

But the facilities Howard County parks controls have bleachers roped off.

Completely freaking backwards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday was opening weekend, there's no scores posted yet. Who is supposed to do that? Also, the bleachers in the stadiums were chained off. Why aren't spectators allowed to sit down? Being able to spread out across the bleachers provides more social distancing distance than everyone having to stand along the fence! HoCo take the chains down!

That does seem a** backwards

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday was opening weekend, there's no scores posted yet. Who is supposed to do that? Also, the bleachers in the stadiums were chained off. Why aren't spectators allowed to sit down? Being able to spread out across the bleachers provides more social distancing distance than everyone having to stand along the fence! HoCo take the chains down!

That does seem a** backwards

It’s absolutely ridiculous. It is not rocket science Howard County.

Put on a mask

People are not following the guidelines posted by HoCo. Get it together or HoCo is going to shut it down.

30+ state playing high school football. It’s all political hogwash at this point.

I noticed tourney machine removed the lower age group divisions for FAALL league sponsored by Hoganlax. Any information?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday was opening weekend, there's no scores posted yet. Who is supposed to do that? Also, the bleachers in the stadiums were chained off. Why aren't spectators allowed to sit down? Being able to spread out across the bleachers provides more social distancing distance than everyone having to stand along the fence! HoCo take the chains down!

That does seem a** backwards

It’s absolutely ridiculous. It is not rocket science Howard County.

I asked and HoCo's response was that they don't have the capacity to clean the bleachers between games.....

COVID isn’t “political hogwash.”

The chances of a youth lacrosse player dying from COVID are extremely low. But if they catch it, the virus could still have an adverse impact on their health (lung and heart damage, etc). And they can still spread it to people with higher risk factors (grandparents, siblings with pre-existing conditions, etc.).

Please be smart, kind, and look out for yourself and others. Wear a mask. Use commonsense.

The virus doesn’t have a brain. We do. The only thing stopping us from defeating COVID is people who think it’s a ‘hoax.’

If every player, coach, and fan takes HOCO’s COVID protocols seriously then the kids can safely play lacrosse. If you don’t, they’ll shut it down and the season will be over quickly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Put on a mask

People are not following the guidelines posted by HoCo. Get it together or HoCo is going to shut it down.

We are in phase 3. A mask is not required outdoors if you can socially distance from each other. Open the bleachers so that can happen!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

30+ state playing high school football. It’s all political hogwash at this point.

With bleachers OPEN!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yesterday was opening weekend, there's no scores posted yet. Who is supposed to do that? Also, the bleachers in the stadiums were chained off. Why aren't spectators allowed to sit down? Being able to spread out across the bleachers provides more social distancing distance than everyone having to stand along the fence! HoCo take the chains down!

That does seem a** backwards

It’s absolutely ridiculous. It is not rocket science Howard County.

I asked and HoCo's response was that they don't have the capacity to clean the bleachers between games.....

What a joke! High school bleachers are open! And there is no one there cleaning them between games! MINIMAL if any transfer from surfaces! Wake up HoCo!! Open the bleachers! Stop adding to the problem!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I asked and HoCo's response was that they don't have the capacity to clean the bleachers between games.....

They also don't clean the fence line where everyone is forced to crowd together.

And they seem fine having games at the High Schools with the bleachers open.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I asked and HoCo's response was that they don't have the capacity to clean the bleachers between games.....

They also don't clean the fence line where everyone is forced to crowd together.

And they seem fine having games at the High Schools with the bleachers open.

I have a suggestion. Bring your own towel and cleaner and clean your own space on the fence.

And I guess you haven't heard the killer virus of everything within 21 feet doesn't transmit from surfaces. This came out a long time ago.

And if you are this worried about it, why are you going and better yet why are you letting your kid play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

COVID isn’t “political hogwash.”

The chances of a youth lacrosse player dying from COVID are extremely low. But if they catch it, the virus could still have an adverse impact on their health (lung and heart damage, etc). And they can still spread it to people with higher risk factors (grandparents, siblings with pre-existing conditions, etc.).

Please be smart, kind, and look out for yourself and others. Wear a mask. Use commonsense.

The virus doesn’t have a brain. We do. The only thing stopping us from defeating COVID is people who think it’s a ‘hoax.’

If every player, coach, and fan takes HOCO’s COVID protocols seriously then the kids can safely play lacrosse. If you don’t, they’ll shut it down and the season will be over quickly.

Seeing what our schools in Maryland and Howard county are doing is most certainly "political hogwash". People as a whole are taking those precautions you mention. I guess the Maryland Teachers Union knows better than the American Academy of Pediatrics. So much for "I believe in science".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a suggestion. Bring your own towel and cleaner and clean your own space on the fence.

And I guess you haven't heard the killer virus of everything within 21 feet doesn't transmit from surfaces. This came out a long time ago.

And if you are this worried about it, why are you going and better yet why are you letting your kid play.

Think you are missing my point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

COVID isn’t “political hogwash.”

The chances of a youth lacrosse player dying from COVID are extremely low. But if they catch it, the virus could still have an adverse impact on their health (lung and heart damage, etc). And they can still spread it to people with higher risk factors (grandparents, siblings with pre-existing conditions, etc.).

Please be smart, kind, and look out for yourself and others. Wear a mask. Use commonsense.

The virus doesn’t have a brain. We do. The only thing stopping us from defeating COVID is people who think it’s a ‘hoax.’

If every player, coach, and fan takes HOCO’s COVID protocols seriously then the kids can safely play lacrosse. If you don’t, they’ll shut it down and the season will be over quickly.

Common sense and accepting some risks are all that is needed. But you couldn't leave it at that, you had to add your political hogwash of people thinking it is a hoax. Typical hypocrite

I am 10 times more concerned about the following yet HOCO and High schools have never stopped play for these.
1. Kid getting hit in the chest with a ball
2. Concussions
3. Getting a spinal cord injury
4. MRSA
5. Meningitis
6. Parent running on the field and attacking a player

Not making light on Covid but let's start using some rationality. This is out of control.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am 10 times more concerned about the following yet HOCO and High schools have never stopped play for these.
1. Kid getting hit in the chest with a ball
2. Concussions
3. Getting a spinal cord injury
4. MRSA
5. Meningitis
6. Parent running on the field and attacking a player

Not making light on Covid but let's start using some rationality. This is out of control.

☝🏻

Did the FAALL league get off the ground for middle and grade schools?

High School Varsity and Junior Varsity are only dvisions playing in FAALL

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h202006291501078480bf2befb218647

I'll bet some of those AA clubs, not the Hawks because they have the ability to play in a lot of tournaments, are upset they didn't jump into HoCo.

GHCLC - If there is ever another fall league, don't mix Elite teams with other division-level teams. Re-use your spring model. Let teams of equal/near equal ability play with each other and improve by having a chance to come out on top. Don't demoralize the players before a game is even played.

Specifics?

For example, Next Level and FCA younger teams are extremely dominant. Consistently beat up on all the other clubs by 10 goals or more in the A divisions

Who's demoralized?

Are they in the highest division? If yes then maybe your team should have played B. There were not enough teams to have more than 2 divisions.

So, you would have FCA and Next Level playing each other every week? Makes no sense. They didn’t have enough teams to have AA, A, and B divisions. They did the best they could. I’m sure the Spring season will be different when all the clubs are playing.

Does anyone know if HoCo is going to do playoffs like they do in the spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if HoCo is going to do playoffs like they do in the spring?

Yes, next weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GHCLC - If there is ever another fall league, don't mix Elite teams with other division-level teams. Re-use your spring model. Let teams of equal/near equal ability play with each other and improve by having a chance to come out on top. Don't demoralize the players before a game is even played.

Considering the fall league was formed just as a way to keep the kids playing during the pandemic, some teams chose to play up. So what you may see as demoralizing, others may see as a chance to get better by playing better competition. HoCo did a great job with this league in my opinion. My only complaint to HoCo is the continued closure of the bleachers, and the inconsistency of enforcement. The county is doing a disservice by keeping them closed. Parents are forced to stand on top of each other along the fence lines in order to watch their teams play, when they could be spread out amongst the bleachers and the fence. You say it is because you can not keep them clean. Well that is no longer a justified reason in Phase 3 of the state’s Covid plan. Most places no longer sanitize after a single person/group use. The responsibility has been put back on the person to realize objects, whatever they may be, a shopping cart, a gas pump, a door handle, sideline bleachers, are dirty. Bring sanitizer for your hands, or don’t sit in the bleachers. But do not continue to keep them closed when you have all of the bleachers at all of the high schools wide open and no one is cleaning those by any means. And either enforce the rules or don’t. The HoCo employees who are now walking the fields are not consistent. Some games you see parents being allowed to stand on the bleacher stairs to film or the bleacher ramps to be able to see the field because so many are on the fence. The next game comes along and those parents are told they can’t do those things. Just open the bleachers. You are making it so much more of an issue by not. Phase 3.

Would you like the email of the country government office to complain to? I'm pretty sure they aren't reading an anonymous board. But then you'll have to put your name to an email.

Here you go. Let us know what she says because they turned me down flat. hjohannes@howardcountymd.gov

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would you like the email of the country government office to complain to? I'm pretty sure they aren't reading an anonymous board. But then you'll have to put your name to an email.

Here you go. Let us know what she says because they turned me down flat. hjohannes@howardcountymd.gov

They have been getting hounded with calls and emails. They have no valid reason to keep them closed, and they are adding to the problem by doing so. But they have the “we don’t care what the gov says” attitude, kind of like the teachers union.

ES and MS divisions have finished with HS have a few more weeks left. Good to get some lacrosse in this fall.

Looks like there were playoffs for ES & MS teams. Do you know if there will be playoffs for HS teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like there were playoffs for ES & MS teams. Do you know if there will be playoffs for HS teams?

good question

Regular Season
▪Start Date –March 20th (2025) / March 21st (2026–2030)
▪2025 will play on Saturday’s. 2026 –2030 will play on Sunday’s.
▪No Games –April 3rd / April 4th

Playoffs
▪Playoff / Championship Weekend – May 15th (Semi–Finals) / May 16th (Championships)
▪Consolation Game swill be available based on who would like to participate ($100)

On Field Rules and Points of Emphasis
▪The Crease Dive is ILLEGAL–The crease dive will NOT be implemented at any age group.
▪Significant hits to the head should be considered for EJECTION.
▪The Substitution box will stretch 10 Yards (Based on 2019 NCAA Specs)
▪Shot Clock: There will be no shot clock for 2026-2030.
▪Standard 80-second shot clock for 2025 Elite Division only. Shot clock begins when a team clearly gains possession. Teams will have 20 seconds to clear the ball over the midfield line.

Thank you! I usually come to BOTC for trash talk and entertainment but this is actually useful!

Sweet! 2 months to go!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regular Season
▪Start Date –March 20th (2025) / March 21st (2026–2030)
▪2025 will play on Saturday’s. 2026 –2030 will play on Sunday’s.
▪No Games –April 3rd / April 4th

Playoffs
▪Playoff / Championship Weekend – May 15th (Semi–Finals) / May 16th (Championships)
▪Consolation Game swill be available based on who would like to participate ($100)

On Field Rules and Points of Emphasis
▪The Crease Dive is ILLEGAL–The crease dive will NOT be implemented at any age group.
▪Significant hits to the head should be considered for EJECTION.
▪The Substitution box will stretch 10 Yards (Based on 2019 NCAA Specs)
▪Shot Clock: There will be no shot clock for 2026-2030.
▪Standard 80-second shot clock for 2025 Elite Division only. Shot clock begins when a team clearly gains possession. Teams will have 20 seconds to clear the ball over the midfield line.

If this legit, 2021 is looking up!

Did Team MD merge with 3d MD?

I commend the HoCo managers for organizing a league even though play is currently shut down. They are showing the high schools how it should be done and are at least trying to earn their paycheck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I commend the HoCo managers for organizing a league even though play is currently shut down. They are showing the high schools how it should be done and are at least trying to earn their paycheck.

The HOCO league show be commended for Hall of Shame for lacrosse. They started a grade based league years ago that gave the club teams a reason to explode with holdbacks. Every league in Howard County at the time was based on age except the new formed HOCO lacrosse league based on grade, of course run by a guy whose son was a holdback in MIAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I commend the HoCo managers for organizing a league even though play is currently shut down. They are showing the high schools how it should be done and are at least trying to earn their paycheck.

The HOCO league show be commended for Hall of Shame for lacrosse. They started a grade based league years ago that gave the club teams a reason to explode with holdbacks. Every league in Howard County at the time was based on age except the new formed HOCO lacrosse league based on grade, of course run by a guy whose son was a holdback in MIAA.

How's the wah burger and french cries taste buddy? Your son is on a bad team and that stinks for him, don't come here and take it out on HOCO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I commend the HoCo managers for organizing a league even though play is currently shut down. They are showing the high schools how it should be done and are at least trying to earn their paycheck.

The HOCO league show be commended for Hall of Shame for lacrosse. They started a grade based league years ago that gave the club teams a reason to explode with holdbacks. Every league in Howard County at the time was based on age except the new formed HOCO lacrosse league based on grade, of course run by a guy whose son was a holdback in MIAA.

How's the wah burger and french cries taste buddy? Your son is on a bad team and that stinks for him, don't come here and take it out on HOCO

Truth hurts doesnt it Mr Howard County holdback apologist. Son needs to play down to compete? Bet he feels good knowing that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I commend the HoCo managers for organizing a league even though play is currently shut down. They are showing the high schools how it should be done and are at least trying to earn their paycheck.

The HOCO league show be commended for Hall of Shame for lacrosse. They started a grade based league years ago that gave the club teams a reason to explode with holdbacks. Every league in Howard County at the time was based on age except the new formed HOCO lacrosse league based on grade, of course run by a guy whose son was a holdback in MIAA.

How's the wah burger and french cries taste buddy? Your son is on a bad team and that stinks for him, don't come here and take it out on HOCO

Truth hurts doesnt it Mr Howard County holdback apologist. Son needs to play down to compete? Bet he feels good knowing that

My kid plays up. But the holdbacks on his team dominate your son and his team and he benefits from it. The lax world needs ditch diggers to. Thanks for being a speed bump in the road. Tell your boy to dream big, he'll get their one day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I commend the HoCo managers for organizing a league even though play is currently shut down. They are showing the high schools how it should be done and are at least trying to earn their paycheck.

The HOCO league show be commended for Hall of Shame for lacrosse. They started a grade based league years ago that gave the club teams a reason to explode with holdbacks. Every league in Howard County at the time was based on age except the new formed HOCO lacrosse league based on grade, of course run by a guy whose son was a holdback in MIAA.

How's the wah burger and french cries taste buddy? Your son is on a bad team and that stinks for him, don't come here and take it out on HOCO

Truth hurts doesnt it Mr Howard County holdback apologist. Son needs to play down to compete? Bet he feels good knowing that

My kid plays up. But the holdbacks on his team dominate your son and his team and he benefits from it. The lax world needs ditch diggers to. Thanks for being a speed bump in the road. Tell your boy to dream big, he'll get their one day.

Hilarious, Plays up only in your delusional mind. Got to sting knowing your son cant compete against players his own age .

Not that it really matters, but which club will win the most championships in the top division? Hawks seem like the best bet since they likely will win 2026 and have good shots in 2025, 2027, and 2029. Madlax next since they have plausible shots in most every year. Then maybe Next Level (2027, 2028, and 2030) and FCA (2025 and 2028). Anyone else have more than one team that is competitive for the top spot? Team 91 at 2025, but nothing else. Crabs are good at a number of ages but not top anywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not that it really matters, but which club will win the most championships in the top division? Hawks seem like the best bet since they likely will win 2026 and have good shots in 2025, 2027, and 2029. Madlax next since they have plausible shots in most every year. Then maybe Next Level (2027, 2028, and 2030) and FCA (2025 and 2028). Anyone else have more than one team that is competitive for the top spot? Team 91 at 2025, but nothing else. Crabs are good at a number of ages but not top anywhere.

Madlax will likely be in every championship game. Hawks should win at least 2 - 26 and 29 for sure and the 28s should have a real chance with the holdbacks. 25s and 27s have clearly taken a step back but have a chance. NL will win one - probably 2027. FCA gets blanked because 91 wins 25s - easily. My guess is nobody wins 3.

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, Regional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

Are kids actually willing to travel from NC or FLA for a 50 min game on Sundays?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

I don’t think there is any requirement that the players be local. If the player is rostered before the fourth game, is any the grade stated, and is not rostered for another team, I think it is legal to have out of state players on the roster. It is contrary to the spirit of HOCO providing a local club league in the spring to bring in out of state players, but I don’t think there is any rule against it looking at the league bylaws.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

I don’t think there is any requirement that the players be local. If the player is rostered before the fourth game, is any the grade stated, and is not rostered for another team, I think it is legal to have out of state players on the roster. It is contrary to the spirit of HOCO providing a local club league in the spring to bring in out of state players, but I don’t think there is any rule against it looking at the league bylaws.

Uhh... there are out of state teams that compete in HOCO.... just sayin..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

Are kids actually willing to travel from NC or FLA for a 50 min game on Sundays?

They've been doing it for years. 91 MD had a contingent of players from TX who flew in for 2022 games. Crabs has had a few CA and TX players fly in as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

Are kids actually willing to travel from NC or FLA for a 50 min game on Sundays?

They've been doing it for years. 91 MD had a contingent of players from TX who flew in for 2022 games. Crabs has had a few CA and TX players fly in as well.

That's crazy. Spend more time at boarding than on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

I don’t think there is any requirement that the players be local. If the player is rostered before the fourth game, is any the grade stated, and is not rostered for another team, I think it is legal to have out of state players on the roster. It is contrary to the spirit of HOCO providing a local club league in the spring to bring in out of state players, but I don’t think there is any rule against it looking at the league bylaws.

Uhh... there are out of state teams that compete in HOCO.... just sayin..

Having teams from VA playing HoCo is different than flying individual kids from Missouri, Texas, FL. Just sayin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

Are kids actually willing to travel from NC or FLA for a 50 min game on Sundays?

They've been doing it for years. 91 MD had a contingent of players from TX who flew in for 2022 games. Crabs has had a few CA and TX players fly in as well.

When I was growing up we had a word for boys whose parents arranged for them to play against kids a year younger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not that it really matters, but which club will win the most championships in the top division? Hawks seem like the best bet since they likely will win 2026 and have good shots in 2025, 2027, and 2029. Madlax next since they have plausible shots in most every year. Then maybe Next Level (2027, 2028, and 2030) and FCA (2025 and 2028). Anyone else have more than one team that is competitive for the top spot? Team 91 at 2025, but nothing else. Crabs are good at a number of ages but not top anywhere.

Madlax will likely be in every championship game. Hawks should win at least 2 - 26 and 29 for sure and the 28s should have a real chance with the holdbacks. 25s and 27s have clearly taken a step back but have a chance. NL will win one - probably 2027. FCA gets blanked because 91 wins 25s - easily. My guess is nobody wins 3.

No way MadLax gets near the finals in 2026. They will have their hands full with Looneys, Crabs, and Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

I don’t think there is any requirement that the players be local. If the player is rostered before the fourth game, is any the grade stated, and is not rostered for another team, I think it is legal to have out of state players on the roster. It is contrary to the spirit of HOCO providing a local club league in the spring to bring in out of state players, but I don’t think there is any rule against it looking at the league bylaws.

It is not about legality, rule and requirement, it is about sanity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

I don’t think there is any requirement that the players be local. If the player is rostered before the fourth game, is any the grade stated, and is not rostered for another team, I think it is legal to have out of state players on the roster. It is contrary to the spirit of HOCO providing a local club league in the spring to bring in out of state players, but I don’t think there is any rule against it looking at the league bylaws.

It is not about legality, rule and requirement, it is about sanity.

Most , not all , realize what a big waste of time it was in the end. Could have spent more time with their son locally and a lot less money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, Regional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, Regional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

For summer, I think it’s fine to have out of region players since you are playing out of region clubs anyway. But HOCO is more fun if it is about regional and club rivalries for the youth teams. All the kids are 8th grade or younger so there’s no recruiting angle and the rivalries aren’t as fun if teams are bringing in people from Texas or whatever who have little connection to the clubs or area. Without the rivalry games, HOCO is just like any other tournament game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, Regional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, Regional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

Are there national or regional teams registered for
HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, Regional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

For summer, I think it’s fine to have out of region players since you are playing out of region clubs anyway. But HOCO is more fun if it is about regional and club rivalries for the youth teams. All the kids are 8th grade or younger so there’s no recruiting angle and the rivalries aren’t as fun if teams are bringing in people from Texas or whatever who have little connection to the clubs or area. Without the rivalry games, HOCO is just like any other tournament game.

Clubs exist to make money, not provide a source of fun. Winning draws the best players. Don’t need to develop players (except owner’s son) when you can just poach them. Then they go D1 and club takes credit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

Lol. Our summer is already full of the top tournaments on a top team. Don't need to pimp him out and make the rest of my kids sit at a tournament while on "vacation". You must be a goalie dad And he doesn't play other sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

What quality team is taking some vacationing kid on for a tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

Lol. Our summer is already full of the top tournaments on a top team. Don't need to pimp him out and make the rest of my kids sit at a tournament while on "vacation". You must be a goalie dad And he doesn't play other sports.

"Our summer"...that says it all. Living through Jr.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

I recall talking to a Midwest family who's kid was playing in MD for a "National" team. They said their Summers are an extended East Coast road trip. The kid plays for various teams and coming out to the East he is able to play a lot of tournaments against better competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

Lol. Our summer is already full of the top tournaments on a top team. Don't need to pimp him out and make the rest of my kids sit at a tournament while on "vacation". You must be a goalie dad And he doesn't play other sports.

"Our summer"...that says it all. Living through Jr.

Lol. You're a dope, yes, our, as in our family.
So i was correct, you are a goalie dad of a one sport kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

Lol. Our summer is already full of the top tournaments on a top team. Don't need to pimp him out and make the rest of my kids sit at a tournament while on "vacation". You must be a goalie dad And he doesn't play other sports.

"Our summer"...that says it all. Living through Jr.

Lol. You're a dope, yes, our, as in our family.
So i was correct, you are a goalie dad of a one sport kid

Why are u guessing goalie? With so few goalies out there the odds are against it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Hawks always win more than that. 25 is really competitive so maybe that's a one off for some club. Madlax 27 is starting to implode as parents are now calling other teams for placement and BLC parents are asking about returning across the river so Hawks get another one there. NL is competitive at every age except 26 but won't get any.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

What quality team is taking some vacationing kid on for a tournament?

Any mid-roster player in elite or aaa in this area is immediately one of the top players on just about any roster in the country. The tournament dates for that team didn't match up with the vacation but our kid got to go to a few practices and had a blast. Sweetlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

Lol. Our summer is already full of the top tournaments on a top team. Don't need to pimp him out and make the rest of my kids sit at a tournament while on "vacation". You must be a goalie dad And he doesn't play other sports.

"Our summer"...that says it all. Living through Jr.

Lol. You're a dope, yes, our, as in our family.
So i was correct, you are a goalie dad of a one sport kid

Why are u guessing goalie? With so few goalies out there the odds are against it.

Guessing he didnt play sports or was cut in freshman year and lives thru his non goalie son. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

Lol. Our summer is already full of the top tournaments on a top team. Don't need to pimp him out and make the rest of my kids sit at a tournament while on "vacation". You must be a goalie dad And he doesn't play other sports.

"Our summer"...that says it all. Living through Jr.

Ha. the the guy who refers to his family's summer as our summer is living through his kid? You are planning vacations round having your son guest play with strangers while you are on vacation. For siblings sake, I hope he's an only child.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs.

Hawks always win more than that. 25 is really competitive so maybe that's a one off for some club. Madlax 27 is starting to implode as parents are now calling other teams for placement and BLC parents are asking about returning across the river so Hawks get another one there. NL is competitive at every age except 26 but won't get any.

Regarding MadLax, the question is which parents are calling other teams or going back to BLC - the top 16 on the roster, or the next 10?

Not a lot of registrations yet for 2026. Are teams waiting until the last possible day to commit the $1,800 registration fee?

Status of 2026 Registration:

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

What quality team is taking some vacationing kid on for a tournament?

Any mid-roster player in elite or aaa in this area is immediately one of the top players on just about any roster in the country. The tournament dates for that team didn't match up with the vacation but our kid got to go to a few practices and had a blast. Sweetlax.

This story keeps getting more strange. A DC/Baltimore family goes on vacation to fly-over country and asks if their mid-roster son can drop in on a random, inferior team's practice to use it like a free clinic? And this proves he is on track to be a division 1 player. Okay, got it. And that's relevant to the original discussion of MadLax flying in kids for HoCo games how?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a lot of registrations yet for 2026. Are teams waiting until the last possible day to commit the $1,800 registration fee?

Status of 2026 Registration:

Elite 18 openings remaining
AAA 16 openings remaining
AA 16 openings remaining
A 17 openings remaining
B 19 openings remaining

Can you clarify what this means? "18 openings remaining" for 2026 Elite---that can't possibly mean an 18-team elite division?

That's what it says on the registration page. Go here and click on each division:

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachments/document/9322-2315828/GHCLC_Payment_-_Spring_2021.pdf

From looking at the site my guess is the base number of available spots was set to 24 for whatever reason. So 16 spots remaining means 8 teams signed up for that division. Then I assume the competition committee sports out the odd numbers etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a lot of registrations yet for 2026. Are teams waiting until the last possible day to commit the $1,800 registration fee?

Status of 2026 Registration:

Elite 18 openings remaining
AAA 16 openings remaining
AA 16 openings remaining
A 17 openings remaining
B 19 openings remaining

Can you clarify what this means? "18 openings remaining" for 2026 Elite---that can't possibly mean an 18-team elite division?

Clearly there must be a mistake. No way they allow any B leagues. The breakdown must be:
Super Elite
Elite
AAA
AA
A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a lot of registrations yet for 2026. Are teams waiting until the last possible day to commit the $1,800 registration fee?

Status of 2026 Registration:

Elite 18 openings remaining
AAA 16 openings remaining
AA 16 openings remaining
A 17 openings remaining
B 19 openings remaining

Can you clarify what this means? "18 openings remaining" for 2026 Elite---that can't possibly mean an 18-team elite division?

Clearly there must be a mistake. No way they allow any B leagues. The breakdown must be:
Super Elite
Elite
AAA
AA
A

This was a just a wasted post. Thanks for stirring the pot more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

What quality team is taking some vacationing kid on for a tournament?

Any mid-roster player in elite or aaa in this area is immediately one of the top players on just about any roster in the country. The tournament dates for that team didn't match up with the vacation but our kid got to go to a few practices and had a blast. Sweetlax.

This story keeps getting more strange. A DC/Baltimore family goes on vacation to fly-over country and asks if their mid-roster son can drop in on a random, inferior team's practice to use it like a free clinic? And this proves he is on track to be a division 1 player. Okay, got it. And that's relevant to the original discussion of MadLax flying in kids for HoCo games how?

Due to the fact that he has hopes for his son to be D1, Let him dream, it will be over soon once recruiting starts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is only Hawks get 2 (26 and 29). 91 wins 25, Madlax wins 27, NL gets 28, and don’t have any kids or friends with kids at 30. Maybe BLC?

But Madlax could easily end up with a lot more if things break well for them in the playoffs

Can Madlax include their players who play on their Capital teams that live out of state on their roster for HoCo? For instance they have a FL and NC kid on their 2025 Capital Roster.

What is with all the smoke and mirrors in youth lax. Capital team, egional team National team. When you compete with kids brought from all over the place on a local level it is worse then holdbacks. Show up with what you got.

It's not that big a deal and different sports do it all the time across the country. We planned a vacation last summer and reached out to the local teams to see if he could play while we were there. Several said no problem and happy they could help.

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

That's the reason your son wont go D1.

What quality team is taking some vacationing kid on for a tournament?

Any mid-roster player in elite or aaa in this area is immediately one of the top players on just about any roster in the country. The tournament dates for that team didn't match up with the vacation but our kid got to go to a few practices and had a blast. Sweetlax.

This story keeps getting more strange. A DC/Baltimore family goes on vacation to fly-over country and asks if their mid-roster son can drop in on a random, inferior team's practice to use it like a free clinic? And this proves he is on track to be a division 1 player. Okay, got it. And that's relevant to the original discussion of MadLax flying in kids for HoCo games how?

I guess that one week out of 52 in a year that I let my son vacation and not go to lax practice is going to cost him that sweet sweet D1 ride for lax! Take a stick and have a catch on the beach or wherever you go. If you are making your kid go to practice when you take him on vacation I think I speak for everyone here when I say. Get a life.

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[/quote]I guess that one week out of 52 in a year that I let my son vacation and not go to lax practice is going to cost him that sweet sweet D1 ride for lax! Take a stick and have a catch on the beach or wherever you go. If you are making your kid go to practice when you take him on vacation I think I speak for everyone here when I say. Get a life.[quote]

That's because your kid stinks at lacrosse and rides the bench. You shouldn't force the kid to bring his stick when he obviously isn't any good. The pp said the kid went to a couple of practices and had a blast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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I guess that one week out of 52 in a year that I let my son vacation and not go to lax practice is going to cost him that sweet sweet D1 ride for lax! Take a stick and have a catch on the beach or wherever you go. If you are making your kid go to practice when you take him on vacation I think I speak for everyone here when I say. Get a life.

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That's because your kid stinks at lacrosse and rides the bench. You shouldn't force the kid to bring his stick when he obviously isn't any good. The pp said the kid went to a couple of practices and had a blast.

His kid is scared to tell him differently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This story keeps getting more strange. A DC/Baltimore family goes on vacation to fly-over country and asks if their mid-roster son can drop in on a random, inferior team's practice to use it like a free clinic? And this proves he is on track to be a division 1 player. Okay, got it. And that's relevant to the original discussion of MadLax flying in kids for HoCo games how?

I guess that one week out of 52 in a year that I let my son vacation and not go to lax practice is going to cost him that sweet sweet D1 ride for lax! Take a stick and have a catch on the beach or wherever you go. If you are making your kid go to practice when you take him on vacation I think I speak for everyone here when I say. Get a life.

Your son obviously does not have what it takes to play D1. Maybe Baseball ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

I recall talking to a Midwest family who's kid was playing in MD for a "National" team. They said their Summers are an extended East Coast road trip. The kid plays for various teams and coming out to the East he is able to play a lot of tournaments against better competition.

Now this scenario makes actual sense. A good player from a top HOCO team (assuming, since the kid is going D1) going to where there is lesser talent just to practice with them while on his family vacation does not. Clear only child being raised by an only child dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

I recall talking to a Midwest family who's kid was playing in MD for a "National" team. They said their Summers are an extended East Coast road trip. The kid plays for various teams and coming out to the East he is able to play a lot of tournaments against better competition.

Now this scenario makes actual sense. A good player from a top HOCO team (assuming, since the kid is going D1) going to where there is lesser talent just to practice with them while on his family vacation does not. Clear only child being raised by an only child dad.

I think the other scenario makes a ton more sense and you're not going to criticize a midwest family for basing their whole summer around lax. And the pp said the kid played for Sweetlax, not some HoCo team in the B division.

Who cares. Is HoCo going to have the bleachers open?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a lot of registrations yet for 2026. Are teams waiting until the last possible day to commit the $1,800 registration fee?

Status of 2026 Registration:

Elite 18 openings remaining
AAA 16 openings remaining
AA 16 openings remaining
A 17 openings remaining
B 19 openings remaining

Can you clarify what this means? "18 openings remaining" for 2026 Elite---that can't possibly mean an 18-team elite division?

Clearly there must be a mistake. No way they allow any B leagues. The breakdown must be:
Super Elite
Elite
AAA
AA
A

Lots of Lax Dads will be happy with the thought of this. Their kids were just promoted!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's the last thing I am thinking about on a vacation.

I recall talking to a Midwest family who's kid was playing in MD for a "National" team. They said their Summers are an extended East Coast road trip. The kid plays for various teams and coming out to the East he is able to play a lot of tournaments against better competition.

Now this scenario makes actual sense. A good player from a top HOCO team (assuming, since the kid is going D1) going to where there is lesser talent just to practice with them while on his family vacation does not. Clear only child being raised by an only child dad.

I think the other scenario makes a ton more sense and you're not going to criticize a midwest family for basing their whole summer around lax. And the pp said the kid played for Sweetlax, not some HoCo team in the B division.

That's what I meant, the midwest kid story makes sense. I assume sweetlax Florida. Unless he's vacationing in Rochester.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares. Is HoCo going to have the bleachers open?

Not yet according to guidelines posted on site.

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...9_Field_Guidelines_Updated_7_31_2020.pdf

"Bleachers are closed." ☹

Just saw this. This league is running on opposite days, in place of Koopers League https://www.facebook.com/Creaselacrossemd/posts/789300338353994

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...9_Field_Guidelines_Updated_7_31_2020.pdf

"Bleachers are closed." ☹

That was from 8 months ago.

Don't know if they will finally get their collective heads out of their @###$ for the Spring, but let's hope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw this. This league is running on opposite days, in place of Koopers League https://www.facebook.com/Creaselacrossemd/posts/789300338353994

Looks like a "B" level facility in the middle of nowhere, for "B" level teams.

When is the HoCo schedule coming out?

They usually come out on Sunday or Monday before the season starts, so that would be 3/14 or 3/15.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...9_Field_Guidelines_Updated_7_31_2020.pdf

"Bleachers are closed." ☹

That was from 8 months ago.

Don't know if they will finally get their collective heads out of their @###$ for the Spring, but let's hope.

Hopefully. Closing them makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...9_Field_Guidelines_Updated_7_31_2020.pdf

"Bleachers are closed." ☹

That was from 8 months ago.

Don't know if they will finally get their collective heads out of their @###$ for the Spring, but let's hope.

Hopefully. Closing them makes no sense.

Howard County makes no sense. So don’t be surprised if they remain closed and parents are forced to stand shoulder to shoulder along fence lines. Brilliant, Howard County Parks&Rec, well thought out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...9_Field_Guidelines_Updated_7_31_2020.pdf

"Bleachers are closed." ☹

That was from 8 months ago.

Don't know if they will finally get their collective heads out of their @###$ for the Spring, but let's hope.

Hopefully. Closing them makes no sense.

Howard County makes no sense. So don’t be surprised if they remain closed and parents are forced to stand shoulder to shoulder along fence lines. Brilliant, Howard County Parks&Rec, well thought out.

Why not be grateful we are playing and having a season instead of being a stunad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not be grateful we are playing and having a season instead of being a stunad

How dare you question authority!?!?

One more word and we'll take away the season!

HoCo registration ended 15 Feb. If the default openings was set to 24, then this is how many teams registered - looks like everyone is anxious to get back to playing soon:

2026 Elite: 8
2026 AAA: 9
2026 AA: 10
2026 A: 9
2026 B: 7

Can you post 2025 numbers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo registration ended 15 Feb. If the default openings was set to 24, then this is how many teams registered - looks like everyone is anxious to get back to playing soon:

2026 Elite: 8
2026 AAA: 9
2026 AA: 10
2026 A: 9
2026 B: 7

Awesome sauce

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you post 2025 numbers

2025 Elite: 8
2025 AAA: 10
2025 AA: 7
2025 A: 9
2025 B: 6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw this. This league is running on opposite days, in place of Koopers League https://www.facebook.com/Creaselacrossemd/posts/789300338353994

Looks like a "B" level facility in the middle of nowhere, for "B" level teams.

I was going to say expensive but Koopers was about the same in terms of individual player costs. gosh, maybe US lax should actually run something for all that talk of growing the game!

I believe Crease lacrosse is Zingos. Zingos' box team is named Crease.

Are teams able to choose what div they play in? Who makes the call when you need an even number and teams are evenly matched?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are teams able to choose what div they play in? Who makes the call when you need an even number and teams are evenly matched?

Teams make a request but there is a Competition Committee that decides what division a team is assigned to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Crease lacrosse is Zingos. Zingos' box team is named Crease.

Zingos/Crease is trash from top to bottom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Crease lacrosse is Zingos. Zingos' box team is named Crease.

Zingos/Crease is trash from top to bottom.

Zingos might be, but my son played on a Crease team last year and Crease is pulls from different clubs. We couldn't do it this year because of wrestling, but he plays in the Crease high school league. They do a decent job running their programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you post 2025 numbers

2025 Elite: 8
2025 AAA: 10
2025 AA: 7
2025 A: 9
2025 B: 6

Thanks whoever posted this. Would it be too much to ask which teams are in what division? Predictions anyone? 😂

[/quote]Would it be too much to ask which teams are in what division? Predictions anyone? 😂[/quote]

That information has been made available yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you post 2025 numbers

2025 Elite: 8
2025 AAA: 10
2025 AA: 7
2025 A: 9
2025 B: 6

Thanks whoever posted this. Would it be too much to ask which teams are in what division? Predictions anyone? 😂

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed as having a 2025 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2025 Elite
Team & USCL Rank [Fall Record] and H2H Wins Other USCL Top 100 Wins
#1 Team 91 MD [7-0] #9 FCA, Madlax Capital, #15 DC Express Black #7 Sweetlax FL, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 NXT Black, #39 West Coast Starz Gold,
#5 Annapolis Hawks [4-0-1] #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #25 ADVNC, #27 Denver Elite Silver, #39 West Coast Starz Gold
#4 Madlax Capital [11-2] MD Roughriders, #14 Next Level Blue, #37 Crabs, VLC
#15 DC Express Black [11-3] #4 Team 91 LI, #11 Crabs #24 Texas Mustangs, #34 True Atlantic, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness
#9 FCA [8-1-1] #37 Crabs #20 Team Ten, #22 Thunder LB3 Blue, #26 True Midwest, #39 West Coast Starz Gold, #40 Leading Edge, #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #92 Top Caliber
#14 Next Level Blue [9-3] Kooper's, DC Express Black, Looney's, True Annapolis Green #24 Texas Mustangs, #40 Leading Edge, #53 Texas Oilers
Cannons Select Gold [4-0] True Annapolis White
#12 True Annapolis Green [8-1] #37 Crabs, VLC #55 Omnia, #18 West Coast Starz Navy, #91 True PA Black, #52 True Pittsburgh,

2025 AAA
#37 Crabs [2-4] Looney's #92 Top Caliber
#28 Zingos [7-1-1] #60 PLC Gold #30 Orange Crush, #31 Brotherly Love, #72 Philly Freedom Red, #85 Tri-State, #88 Rising Sons Navy
AYLC Bay Raiders [3-0] True Baltimore
#50 VLC [3-6] Looney's
Cavalier []
*Sidewinders Black []
*Greene Turtle []
*FLC []

2025 AA
#60 PLC Gold [2-5] #44 Mad Dog
#84 Team Maryland LC [4-2] #62 Richmond Hawks - Lyness, #89 Southshore
#92 Top Caliber [6-3] #28 Zingos Black
True Baltimore [1-2]
South River []
HLC []
Breakers Blue []
Looney's [0-6-1]

2025 A
#58 Koopers [2-2] Annapolis Hawks Black #82 True Utah
Next Level Red [] #89 Southshore
DC Express Orange []
Roughriders []
Breakers Orange []
*Mesa MD []
*HoCo []
*3D Virginia []

2025 B
True Annapolis White [0-3]
Cannons Select Blue []
#78 PLC Black [1-6] #99 Platform Academy Black
Olney Bears []
*Sidewinders Volt []
Zingos Blue []
Rockfish Black []
Annapolis Hawks Black [0-1]

Does anyone know what weeks Hoco runs this year?

Games start on 3/21? When does the regular season end? And two weeks for the playoffs?

Just trying to get schedules lined up for all of my youth sports.

thanks!

2025 Initial HoCo Alignment

Elite
Crabs
Next Level Blue
Team 91
Annapolis Hawks Green
FCA
Madlax Capital
Looneys
DC Express
True Annapolis Green
Cannons Gold

AAA
Koopers
Zingos Black
Green Turtle
PLC
Team MD LC
Annapolis Hawks Black
VLC
Sidewinders

AA
Breakers Blue
HLC
ALC
Rock A
Top Caliber
FLC
Cannons Blue
Next Level Red

A
True Baltimore
Breakers Orange
Mesa MD
Madlax DMV
Hard Lax Elite
HoCo Pink
Rock B
Roughriders

B
True Annapolis White
Zingos
Blue Claws
HoCo Black
PLC
Ville Lacrose
Baltimore Elite LC
OGBC

Games start 3/21
No games weekend of 3-4 March
Playoffs follow end of regular season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2025 Initial HoCo Alignment

Elite
Crabs
Next Level Blue
Team 91
Annapolis Hawks Green
FCA
Madlax Capital
Looneys
DC Express
True Annapolis Green
Cannons Gold

AAA
Koopers
Zingos Black
Green Turtle
PLC
Team MD LC
Annapolis Hawks Black
VLC
Sidewinders

AA
Breakers Blue
HLC
ALC
Rock A
Top Caliber
FLC
Cannons Blue
Next Level Red

A
True Baltimore
Breakers Orange
Mesa MD
Madlax DMV
Hard Lax Elite
HoCo Pink
Rock B
Roughriders

B
True Annapolis White
Zingos
Blue Claws
HoCo Black
PLC
Ville Lacrose
Baltimore Elite LC
OGBC

Is that FLC, Fallston Lacrosse Club?
If so, how in God's name is FLC fielding an AA team after their entire AAA team bailed to Koopers?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that FLC, Fallston Lacrosse Club?
If so, how in God's name is FLC fielding an AA team after their entire AAA team bailed to Koopers?

Because "AA" is basically the B level teams. "A" and "B" are the C teams, just divided based on how realistic (or desperate for a few wins) the coaches are.

I know this. And my question remains.

3D Maryland , Dc express orange ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D Maryland , Dc express orange ?

3d Maryland ceased operations at the end of the summer and no longer exists. DCE Orange is not playing in this league as I understand it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2025 Initial HoCo Alignment

Elite
Crabs
Next Level Blue
Team 91
Annapolis Hawks Green
FCA
Madlax Capital
Looneys
DC Express
True Annapolis Green
Cannons Gold

AAA
Koopers
Zingos Black
Green Turtle
PLC
Team MD LC
Annapolis Hawks Black
VLC
Sidewinders

AA
Breakers Blue
HLC
ALC
Rock A
Top Caliber
FLC
Cannons Blue
Next Level Red

A
True Baltimore
Breakers Orange
Mesa MD
Madlax DMV
Hard Lax Elite
HoCo Pink
Rock B
Roughriders

B
True Annapolis White
Zingos
Blue Claws
HoCo Black
PLC
Ville Lacrose
Baltimore Elite LC
OGBC

Is that FLC, Fallston Lacrosse Club?
If so, how in God's name is FLC fielding an AA team after their entire AAA team bailed to Koopers?

Let’s be honest Kooper’s isn’t much better in terms of lacrosse talent and ridiculously overpriced. You should be focused on your son’s FCA team that is essentially collapsing in front of your eyes.

Don't have a kid in the Fallston program, thankfully. That whole scenario was crazy.

One goalie bails, everyone else gets happy feet.
They literally took the ENTIRE AA Fallston team and moved it to Koopers.
Same exact kids, same exact coaching, further drive for families, less field time.
So those parents are now paying 2k extra for the EXACT same product, (possibly worse).
The only difference is the uniform...and Klausner now gets a taste.

Elite should not have 10 teams. It should be something earned and only given to the Top 8 teams at each level. Watering it down with 2 additional teams makes for unfair scheduling and a good chance that a top team gets lost. You only play 7 games so you could end up playing the best 7 teams in the league and another mediocre team plays the bottom 3 and beats you out for a playoff spot. Treat Elite like it should be. Make the teams earn it based on past performance in HoCo over the years and how they have faired at tournaments.
2025 should be - the top 5 are no-brainers!
91
Hawks
Madlax
DC Express
FCA
Next Level - based on how they have faired over the past year.
Crabs - based on winning AAA in 2019 and tournaments over the past year.
True Annapolis - based on how they have done in tournaments over the past year
Looneys - they could slip in over True, but haven't faired as well over the past year and had a bad 2019 year at Elite level
Cannons - should be out - terrible 2019 record in Elite as well as poor performances against Elite teams the past year at tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite should not have 10 teams. It should be something earned and only given to the Top 8 teams at each level. Watering it down with 2 additional teams makes for unfair scheduling and a good chance that a top team gets lost. You only play 7 games so you could end up playing the best 7 teams in the league and another mediocre team plays the bottom 3 and beats you out for a playoff spot. Treat Elite like it should be. Make the teams earn it based on past performance in HoCo over the years and how they have faired at tournaments.
2025 should be - the top 5 are no-brainers!
91
Hawks
Madlax
DC Express
FCA
Next Level - based on how they have faired over the past year.
Crabs - based on winning AAA in 2019 and tournaments over the past year.
True Annapolis - based on how they have done in tournaments over the past year
Looneys - they could slip in over True, but haven't faired as well over the past year and had a bad 2019 year at Elite level
Cannons - should be out - terrible 2019 record in Elite as well as poor performances against Elite teams the past year at tournaments.

Crabs should not be considered for the Elite. They were 2-4 in the fall with losses to every Elite division team they played (DCE & FCA, win vs Looney's doesn't count because they are not Elite either), and a loss to True Annapolis Green. And they just lost to Zingos last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't have a kid in the Fallston program, thankfully. That whole scenario was crazy.

One goalie bails, everyone else gets happy feet.
They literally took the ENTIRE AA Fallston team and moved it to Koopers.
Same exact kids, same exact coaching, further drive for families, less field time.
So those parents are now paying 2k extra for the EXACT same product, (possibly worse).
The only difference is the uniform...and Klausner now gets a taste.

It’s all about the uniform, don’t you know this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't have a kid in the Fallston program, thankfully. That whole scenario was crazy.

One goalie bails, everyone else gets happy feet.
They literally took the ENTIRE AA Fallston team and moved it to Koopers.
Same exact kids, same exact coaching, further drive for families, less field time.
So those parents are now paying 2k extra for the EXACT same product, (possibly worse).
The only difference is the uniform...and Klausner now gets a taste.

It’s all about the uniform, don’t you know this?

Yup.
As a community-based team, one that had grown it the right way, that saw some success, I thought Fallston was well-run enough, and their parents loyal enough to avoid the lure of overpriced, for-profit bs.
Goes to show you what a few, "grass is greener" parents can do.
But hey, they can do what they want with their money.
There will always be a for-profit club willing to absorb a community team or "add another team" for a buck, and to keep the lights on...for another month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't have a kid in the Fallston program, thankfully. That whole scenario was crazy.

One goalie bails, everyone else gets happy feet.
They literally took the ENTIRE AA Fallston team and moved it to Koopers.
Same exact kids, same exact coaching, further drive for families, less field time.
So those parents are now paying 2k extra for the EXACT same product, (possibly worse).
The only difference is the uniform...and Klausner now gets a taste.

It’s all about the uniform, don’t you know this?

The FLC 2025 coaches; ironically, have been the ones all along ripping club lacrosse for years while driving the entire Fallston program into the ground with selfish behavior. Those 3 coaches are an absolute embarrassment to lacrosse; way to leave your mark fellas, the Fallston Rec Program thanks you!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite should not have 10 teams. It should be something earned and only given to the Top 8 teams at each level. Watering it down with 2 additional teams makes for unfair scheduling and a good chance that a top team gets lost. You only play 7 games so you could end up playing the best 7 teams in the league and another mediocre team plays the bottom 3 and beats you out for a playoff spot. Treat Elite like it should be. Make the teams earn it based on past performance in HoCo over the years and how they have faired at tournaments.
2025 should be - the top 5 are no-brainers!
91
Hawks
Madlax
DC Express
FCA
Next Level - based on how they have faired over the past year.
Crabs - based on winning AAA in 2019 and tournaments over the past year.
True Annapolis - based on how they have done in tournaments over the past year
Looneys - they could slip in over True, but haven't faired as well over the past year and had a bad 2019 year at Elite level
Cannons - should be out - terrible 2019 record in Elite as well as poor performances against Elite teams the past year at tournaments.

Crabs should not be considered for the Elite. They were 2-4 in the fall with losses to every Elite division team they played (DCE & FCA, win vs Looney's doesn't count because they are not Elite either), and a loss to True Annapolis Green. And they just lost to Zingos last weekend.

LOL.... are you an adult? Please show some respect for yourself and tell me that you do not stalk 13/14 year old lacrosse? Reciting records and opponents is totally creepy dude! Get a life

Was this a typo or has HOCO just changed it's policy allowing kids playing high school sports to play in the HOCO 8th grade league? "The Conference follows a grade-based system based on the player’s current grade level. Players who are participating in ANY high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team are NOW eligible for the 8th grade division. "

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite should not have 10 teams. It should be something earned and only given to the Top 8 teams at each level. Watering it down with 2 additional teams makes for unfair scheduling and a good chance that a top team gets lost. You only play 7 games so you could end up playing the best 7 teams in the league and another mediocre team plays the bottom 3 and beats you out for a playoff spot. Treat Elite like it should be. Make the teams earn it based on past performance in HoCo over the years and how they have faired at tournaments.
2025 should be - the top 5 are no-brainers!
91
Hawks
Madlax
DC Express
FCA
Next Level - based on how they have faired over the past year.
Crabs - based on winning AAA in 2019 and tournaments over the past year.
True Annapolis - based on how they have done in tournaments over the past year
Looneys - they could slip in over True, but haven't faired as well over the past year and had a bad 2019 year at Elite level
Cannons - should be out - terrible 2019 record in Elite as well as poor performances against Elite teams the past year at tournaments.

Crabs should not be considered for the Elite. They were 2-4 in the fall with losses to every Elite division team they played (DCE & FCA, win vs Looney's doesn't count because they are not Elite either), and a loss to True Annapolis Green. And they just lost to Zingos last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite should not have 10 teams. It should be something earned and only given to the Top 8 teams at each level. Watering it down with 2 additional teams makes for unfair scheduling and a good chance that a top team gets lost. You only play 7 games so you could end up playing the best 7 teams in the league and another mediocre team plays the bottom 3 and beats you out for a playoff spot. Treat Elite like it should be. Make the teams earn it based on past performance in HoCo over the years and how they have faired at tournaments.
2025 should be - the top 5 are no-brainers!
91
Hawks
Madlax
DC Express
FCA
Next Level - based on how they have faired over the past year.
Crabs - based on winning AAA in 2019 and tournaments over the past year.
True Annapolis - based on how they have done in tournaments over the past year
Looneys - they could slip in over True, but haven't faired as well over the past year and had a bad 2019 year at Elite level
Cannons - should be out - terrible 2019 record in Elite as well as poor performances against Elite teams the past year at tournaments.

Crabs should not be considered for the Elite. They were 2-4 in the fall with losses to every Elite division team they played (DCE & FCA, win vs Looney's doesn't count because they are not Elite either), and a loss to True Annapolis Green. And they just lost to Zingos last weekend.

Crabs won AAA - I say that gives them a reason to be there. While they lost some games in the fall doesn't mean they can't compete this spring in Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite should not have 10 teams. It should be something earned and only given to the Top 8 teams at each level. Watering it down with 2 additional teams makes for unfair scheduling and a good chance that a top team gets lost. You only play 7 games so you could end up playing the best 7 teams in the league and another mediocre team plays the bottom 3 and beats you out for a playoff spot. Treat Elite like it should be. Make the teams earn it based on past performance in HoCo over the years and how they have faired at tournaments.
2025 should be - the top 5 are no-brainers!
91
Hawks
Madlax
DC Express
FCA
Next Level - based on how they have faired over the past year.
Crabs - based on winning AAA in 2019 and tournaments over the past year.
True Annapolis - based on how they have done in tournaments over the past year
Looneys - they could slip in over True, but haven't faired as well over the past year and had a bad 2019 year at Elite level
Cannons - should be out - terrible 2019 record in Elite as well as poor performances against Elite teams the past year at tournaments.

Crabs should not be considered for the Elite. They were 2-4 in the fall with losses to every Elite division team they played (DCE & FCA, win vs Looney's doesn't count because they are not Elite either), and a loss to True Annapolis Green. And they just lost to Zingos last weekend.

Crabs lost to Zingos? Do tell!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite should not have 10 teams. It should be something earned and only given to the Top 8 teams at each level. Watering it down with 2 additional teams makes for unfair scheduling and a good chance that a top team gets lost. You only play 7 games so you could end up playing the best 7 teams in the league and another mediocre team plays the bottom 3 and beats you out for a playoff spot. Treat Elite like it should be. Make the teams earn it based on past performance in HoCo over the years and how they have faired at tournaments.
2025 should be - the top 5 are no-brainers!
91
Hawks
Madlax
DC Express
FCA
Next Level - based on how they have faired over the past year.
Crabs - based on winning AAA in 2019 and tournaments over the past year.
True Annapolis - based on how they have done in tournaments over the past year
Looneys - they could slip in over True, but haven't faired as well over the past year and had a bad 2019 year at Elite level
Cannons - should be out - terrible 2019 record in Elite as well as poor performances against Elite teams the past year at tournaments.

Crabs should not be considered for the Elite. They were 2-4 in the fall with losses to every Elite division team they played (DCE & FCA, win vs Looney's doesn't count because they are not Elite either), and a loss to True Annapolis Green. And they just lost to Zingos last weekend.
Crabs lost to Zingos? Do tell!

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...

Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...

Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here?

hahahahahahahahaha...... not a Crabs fan but

1) Zingo's is a decent team
2) Its a scrimmage - no one should care what happens? lol
3) I hear Crabs had a couple of their main guns out
4) who cares ????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...

Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here?

hahahahahahahahaha...... not a Crabs fan but

1) Zingo's is a decent team
2) Its a scrimmage - no one should care what happens? lol
3) I hear Crabs had a couple of their main guns out
4) who cares ????

According to USCL, Zingos SoS is 84 but ranked 28? Coupled with a losing record against mostly mediocre competition last summer, I'd say that's below average, not decent. And anybody can register for WSYL. Come back if they actually qualify.

Yes treat the elite like a high school freshman team I agree completely

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...

Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here?

hahahahahahahahaha...... not a Crabs fan but

1) Zingo's is a decent team
2) Its a scrimmage - no one should care what happens? lol
3) I hear Crabs had a couple of their main guns out
4) who cares ????

I like how you write the man guns comment and then write who cares. You do, dude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...

Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here?

hahahahahahahahaha...... not a Crabs fan but

1) Zingo's is a decent team
2) Its a scrimmage - no one should care what happens? lol
3) I hear Crabs had a couple of their main guns out
4) who cares ????

Thou thinks someone dos protest to much. LOL. Looks like you are knee deep in caring.

Hey HoCo league people. Get the schedule out! Stop sending teams their first game days before the season is supposed to start and then not giving any more than that. Get it together! My daughter’s league schedule is out and they start after HoCo league does. We are a week away!!!!!

Cannons moving to AAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't have a kid in the Fallston program, thankfully. That whole scenario was crazy.

One goalie bails, everyone else gets happy feet.
They literally took the ENTIRE AA Fallston team and moved it to Koopers.
Same exact kids, same exact coaching, further drive for families, less field time.
So those parents are now paying 2k extra for the EXACT same product, (possibly worse).
The only difference is the uniform...and Klausner now gets a taste.

I guess you didnt get invited to Koopers. Have your son.... Hit The Wall !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons moving to AAA

About time. They will compete

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey HoCo league people. Get the schedule out! Stop sending teams their first game days before the season is supposed to start and then not giving any more than that. Get it together! My daughter’s league schedule is out and they start after HoCo league does. We are a week away!!!!!

I'm sure the folks at Park and Recs read the board and get right on it

I guess you didnt get invited to Koopers. Have your son.... Hit The Wall !!

Funniest post ever here. Like you have to be invited to play Koopers!!! More like they take anyone who can't make an Elite level team. No Invites required. Just show up and pay your fee

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey HoCo league people. Get the schedule out! Stop sending teams their first game days before the season is supposed to start and then not giving any more than that. Get it together! My daughter’s league schedule is out and they start after HoCo league does. We are a week away!!!!!

I'm sure the folks at Park and Recs read the board and get right on it

At least they've finally opened the bleachers.

EVERY kid got invited to Koopers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't have a kid in the Fallston program, thankfully. That whole scenario was crazy.

One goalie bails, everyone else gets happy feet.
They literally took the ENTIRE AA Fallston team and moved it to Koopers.
Same exact kids, same exact coaching, further drive for families, less field time.
So those parents are now paying 2k extra for the EXACT same product, (possibly worse).
The only difference is the uniform...and Klausner now gets a taste.

I guess you didnt get invited to Koopers. Have your son.... Hit The Wall !!

EVERY kid got invited to Koopers.

Second revision of placements released. Some more movement.

Released where?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey HoCo league people. Get the schedule out! Stop sending teams their first game days before the season is supposed to start and then not giving any more than that. Get it together! My daughter’s league schedule is out and they start after HoCo league does. We are a week away!!!!!

I'm sure the folks at Park and Recs read the board and get right on it

Oh yeah they do.

Released by Ricky at HoCo to coaches.

Zingos 2025. curious whether the team has any holdbacks that won't be eligible for WSYL...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos 2025. curious whether the team has any holdbacks that won't be eligible for WSYL...

I don't think it will matter much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Released by Ricky at HoCo to coaches.

Schedules were?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you didnt get invited to Koopers. Have your son.... Hit The Wall !!

Funniest post ever here. Like you have to be invited to play Koopers!!! More like they take anyone who can't make an Elite level team. No Invites required. Just show up and pay your fee

Got it , No invite and jealous. Tell junior to Hit The Wall !!

No schedules yet. Games next week though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos 2025. curious whether the team has any holdbacks that won't be eligible for WSYL...

I don't think it will matter much

Jeez random post in the wrong thread. They have 2 who were born 2 and 4 days before the cut off. We were on that team last year that got invited sense qualifiers were canceled. [We have a conflict this year]. They will have a problem against the all-star teams because they won't use the radius but I applaud them for sticking with their players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Released by Ricky at HoCo to coaches.

Can someone post 2025? How do they determine movement? Why did Cannons get moved?

Season starts in 5 days and no schedule. What is the deal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Season starts in 5 days and no schedule. What is the deal?

You'll play Sunday unless you're a 2025.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Released by Ricky at HoCo to coaches.

Can someone post 2025? How do they determine movement? Why did Cannons get moved?

2025s

Elite
Crabs
Next Level Blue
Team 91
Hawks Green
FCA
MAdlax Cap
Looney's
DC Express Black
True Annapolis Green

AAA
Koopers
Zingos Black
GreenTurtle
PLC gold
Hawks Black
VLC
Sidewinders
Cannons Gold
Top Caliber
Team MD

AA
Breakers Blue
HLC
ALC Bay Raiders
ROck A
DC Express Orange
FLC
Next LEvel Red
HoCo Pink

A
True Balty
Breakers Orange
MEsa MD
Madlax DMV
Hard LAx Elite
Rock B
Cannons Blue
True Annapolis White

BZingos
Blue Claws
HoCo Black
PLC
Ville
Breakers Elite
OBGC
Roughriders

Can someone post 2026?

2026 Alignment:

Elite
True Annap Green
Crabs
VLC
91
Hawks
FCA
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Cap
Looney's
Next LEvel

AAA
Zingos Black
TRW Wolfpack
Shore Kaos
Breakers Blue
Sidewinders
Saltwater
Roughriders
Top Caliber

AA
Kelly Post True
Cannons
Eastside
Forest Hill Select
Mesa MD
Baltimore Swarm
PLC
Hoco Pink

A
True Baltimore
True Annapolis White
Koopers
HLC
Madlax DMV
Green Hornets
Team MD
Bethesda Orange

B
Kelly Post
Zingos Blue
Blue Claws
ROckfish Copper
Breakers Orange
ALC Bay Raiders
Ville
Hard Lax Elite

2029 Alignment

AAA
Blue Claws
True Annapolis
Next Level
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Cap
Crabs
Hawks
Cavalier Orange

AA
Forest Hill Select
Kelly Post
LTLC
Mesa MD
HoCo Pink
Team 91
Cannons
FCA

A
Eastside
HLC
Swarm
Cavalier Blue
Carrol Manor
Ville
Bethesda Orange
Team MD
Madlax DMV

2027 Alignment

Elite
Crabs
Next LEvel
91
Hawks
FCA
Madlax Cap
Team MD
Zingos Black

AAA
VLC
Kelly Post True
Koopers
Bethesda Blue
Mesa MD
True Annapolis Green
Looneys
Sidewinders

AA
Madlax DMV
Team MD Red
Gator Lacrosse
Rockfish Purple
Eastside
True Annap White
LTLC
Cavalier

A
True Baltimore
Breakers
HLC
Cannons
HoCo Black
ALC
Zingos Blue
Swarm
Ground Control
Bethesda Orange

B
None

2028

Elite
True Annap Green
Crabs
Next LEvel
Hawks Green
FCA Blue
Madlax Cap
BEthesda Blue
HLC
Kelly Post True Grey
Cavalier

AAA
Blue Claws
East Side
Cannons
FCA White
Forest hill Select
HoCo Pink
Sidewinders
Team 91

AA
Hawks Black
Hoco Black
Swarm
Team MD
Arden Diamondbacks
Bethesda Orange
TOp Caliber
True Annap White
True Baltimore

A
Kelly Post True Green
Zingos
Rockfish Red
Breakers 28/29
Ville
LTLC
Baltimore Elite
Sidewinders 28/29
LOUYAA
Madlax DMV

B
None

2030 Alignment

Elite
None

AAA
Next Level
Hawks
Mesa
Bethesda
Madlax Cap
True Annap

AA
Blue Claws
HoCoPink
Sidewinders
LTLC
Kelly Post
Crabs
Cannons

A
Next Level '31
HLC 30-31
Bethesday Blue '31
Madlax Cap '31
Hoco Pink 30-31
Swarm 30-31
PLC 30-31
Zingos 30-31

B
None

DC Express Orange in AA? Give me a break!

Teams who talk about how great they are all the time and then move down a level after the first draft of divisions is released. That’s like holding a kid back a year so he looks better on the field. SMH.

It's not always programs CHOOSING to move down.
Other programs can make or break the case for a team's alignment.
Gotta have proof to make your case. And the division numbers have to work.
The league can bump anyone it wants.
Just because you WANT to be in AAA doesn't mean you GET to be in AAA.
If another team wants in to AAA and asks- if they have proof- fall results, rosters etc. your (previously) AAA team can get bumped.

Week one schedules are up.

[url=https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boys21][/url]https://www.ghclacrosse.com/boys21

Anyone know why FCA & Hawks 2025 Elite game got postponed last night?

I heard coach loudmouth pulled his team cause the backup goalie has covid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know why FCA & Hawks 2025 Elite game got postponed last night?

FCA didnt want to get a beatdown.

Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?

Lol... Are you asking for a friend?

Daddy ball exists everywhere in lacrosse.
You'll be hard pressed to get away from it.
Every club, many highschools, and even at Syracuse and Duke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?

How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?

How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids?

Don’t for get to add for free.

Is there a formula listed on how they would choose if you're in the playoffs or not? Couldn't find on their site. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?

How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids?

Don’t for get to add for free.

Many clubs pay their coaches a stipend. However, my observation with 5 kids having gone through the club lacrosse experience is that most dad coaches do a much better job with the kids because they have skin in the game. The coaches that don't have a kid on the team tend to come and go and treat it like a minimum wage job. That is, they show up, do the bare minimum and call it a day. These guys and gals typically don't last more than a season or calendar year at the most. Don't get me wrong, there are dad coaches who are to be avoided, but you can typically suss them out by asking around. I encountered only one of them between five kids and it was with one of my daughters. If you are experience daddy ball issues, you are either playing for the wrong dad or your perception of the personnel may be skewed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?

How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids?

Don’t for get to add for free.

Many clubs pay their coaches a stipend. However, my observation with 5 kids having gone through the club lacrosse experience is that most dad coaches do a much better job with the kids because they have skin in the game. The coaches that don't have a kid on the team tend to come and go and treat it like a minimum wage job. That is, they show up, do the bare minimum and call it a day. These guys and gals typically don't last more than a season or calendar year at the most. Don't get me wrong, there are dad coaches who are to be avoided, but you can typically suss them out by asking around. I encountered only one of them between five kids and it was with one of my daughters. If you are experience daddy ball issues, you are either playing for the wrong dad or your perception of the personnel may be skewed.

+1

Where did you "hear" that DC Express Orange wasn't playing in the league? I mean, moot now, but interesting.

I noticed on the GHCLC Sports Engine pages, the Standings for each division are not sorted with the teams in actual order of the standings. Additionally, there is no way to sort the list online and an important metric "GD" (Goals Difference) is not even included.

These are the metrics tracked.
W - Win
L - Loss
T - Tie
GB - Games Behind
WPCT - Winning Percentage
GF - Goals For
GA - Goals Against

I'm not sure what GB and WPCT matters in the standings. In the end it is how many games were won, loss, and by how many goals. Hopefully, GHCLC will notice the problem and make it so the Standings actually reflect the standings.

Goal differential isn’t a tie breaker that HOCO uses for standing or playoff determination. It goes record, head to head, winning percentage of teams beat, winning percentage of all teams played, goal against, and then coin flip. So goal differential doesn’t matter for the standings. Presumably this is to not incentive teams to run up the score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?

How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids?

Don’t for get to add for free.

Many clubs pay their coaches a stipend. However, my observation with 5 kids having gone through the club lacrosse experience is that most dad coaches do a much better job with the kids because they have skin in the game. The coaches that don't have a kid on the team tend to come and go and treat it like a minimum wage job. That is, they show up, do the bare minimum and call it a day. These guys and gals typically don't last more than a season or calendar year at the most. Don't get me wrong, there are dad coaches who are to be avoided, but you can typically suss them out by asking around. I encountered only one of them between five kids and it was with one of my daughters. If you are experience daddy ball issues, you are either playing for the wrong dad or your perception of the personnel may be skewed.

+1

Never have your kid play on a team where the Coach's kid plays the same position as your kid!

GB is games behind I believe

Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?

Team W L T GB WPCT GF GA
Crabs 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 45 25
Hawks 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 57 20

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?

Team W L T GB WPCT GF GA
Crabs 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 45 25
Hawks 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 57 20

Here are the tie-breakers from the GHCLC bylaws. Because Crabs have beaten teams with a better record, they should be listed first.

Tie Breaking - End of season tie breaker procedures:
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?

Here are the tie-breakers from the GHCLC bylaws. Because Crabs have beaten teams with a better record, they should be listed first.

Tie Breaking - End of season tie breaker procedures:
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

Yes, those are "Tie Breaking-End of season tie breaker procedures". But during the season, it comes to most games won, least games lost, most goals scored, and least goals scored against. There are no ties when one team outscores and prevents the least scores another team with the same record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good.

I am sure there is an intelligent thought in here somewhere, but boy it is hard to find!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?

Here are the tie-breakers from the GHCLC bylaws. Because Crabs have beaten teams with a better record, they should be listed first.

Tie Breaking - End of season tie breaker procedures:
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

Yes, those are "Tie Breaking-End of season tie breaker procedures". But during the season, it comes to most games won, least games lost, most goals scored, and least goals scored against. There are no ties when one team outscores and prevents the least scores another team with the same record.

So you think they should use a different methodology to break ties during the season than they do at the end of the season? That makes no sense. Maybe they scored more and gave up less because they played lower quality teams.

But regardless, who cares. They'll play each other eventually and maybe again in the playoffs. That's the best determinant anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good.

Your sons coach is an @$$! Find him a new team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good.

I am sure there is an intelligent thought in here somewhere, but boy it is hard to find!

LOL. FACTS! I think a robot typed that. Complete nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...

Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here?

1-4 at WSYL. That didn't age very well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...

Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here?

1-4 at WSYL. That didn't age very well.

Matches their current HoCo record (1-4).

From HoCo Recreation & Parks 4/29/21:

Today we joined County Executive Calvin Ball and announced that as of Saturday May 1, 2021, we are no longer requiring that players, coaches, spectators, parents, officials and park patrons wear face coverings outside. We do however strongly recommend that those who have not been vaccinated to continue to wear a face covering.

The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch.

If there is an incident about a specific team you can report it to the hoco administrators. https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/5907152-about Please contact them here.

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Does anyone how many teams make the playoffs for each division? Does anyone know what the league is doing this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone how many teams make the playoffs for each division? Does anyone know what the league is doing this year?

I heard 4v5 as a play in. Then 1 v that 4v5 winner and 2v3 play that saturday.

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From HoCo Recreation & Parks 4/29/21:

Today we joined County Executive Calvin Ball and announced that as of Saturday May 1, 2021, we are no longer requiring that players, coaches, spectators, parents, officials and park patrons wear face coverings outside. We do however strongly recommend that those who have not been vaccinated to continue to wear a face covering.

Wow! Someone being rational down in Howard County.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

Agree. I have been on the HOCO sidelines the past 10 years through three kids and have never once heard or witnessed anything that could even be remotely construed as racism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

It is there. If people want lacrosse to grow beyond the point where the pinnacle of the sport gets lower TV ratings than a random NCAA softball game, the sport needs to grow beyond its head in the sand on this issue.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

+1: we've been at it for 5 years and have never seen a race issue in all of these years. We have multiple minority kids on our team and it's never been an issue internally or with the competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

It is there. If people want lacrosse to grow beyond the point where the pinnacle of the sport gets lower TV ratings than a random NCAA softball game, the sport needs to grow beyond its head in the sand on this issue.

If it is so prevalent please cite a specific example. Clearly it must be all over the place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

It is there. If people want lacrosse to grow beyond the point where the pinnacle of the sport gets lower TV ratings than a random NCAA softball game, the sport needs to grow beyond its head in the sand on this issue.

You are looking to start an issue that isn't there. I am also a long time parent and coach in the HoCo league. I also have never once heard or witnessed anything. A complaint has never been filed within the league, nothing has ever been brought to the leagues attention before your post on an anonymous forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

It is there. If people want lacrosse to grow beyond the point where the pinnacle of the sport gets lower TV ratings than a random NCAA softball game, the sport needs to grow beyond its head in the sand on this issue.

You are looking to start an issue that isn't there. I am also a long time parent and coach in the HoCo league. I also have never once heard or witnessed anything. A complaint has never been filed within the league, nothing has ever been brought to the leagues attention before your post on an anonymous forum.[/quote

It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

It is there. If people want lacrosse to grow beyond the point where the pinnacle of the sport gets lower TV ratings than a random NCAA softball game, the sport needs to grow beyond its head in the sand on this issue.

You are looking to start an issue that isn't there. I am also a long time parent and coach in the HoCo league. I also have never once heard or witnessed anything. A complaint has never been filed within the league, nothing has ever been brought to the leagues attention before your post on an anonymous forum.[/quote

It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

mmm. There was a vocal NL dad at the NL/91 2025 game last weekend who was complaining about the lack of diversity across both teams. In 9 years on the sidelines of this leagues games, that's about the closest comment to racism I've heard.

Why is it up to me to make it a more inclusive sport? I could care less if the team makeup is black, white, brown, blue or purple so long as the best kid's play or make the team. Don't twist equality into equity. This is how we get dense supremacist arguments when the reverse argument starts to happen. If that NL dad wants diversity, he can reach out to the coach at NL who does a lot of city work; purchase and build him a field/facility in NE or SE; and get to the hard work of building interest.

Been a long time HOCO participant and have never seen anything resembling what was described regarding racism. This is someone that is trying to stir the pot and make something out of nothing. Give us a specific example.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]"The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch."

Wut? I haven't heard anything. What did you hear?

Just some NY Troll. Don’t be alarmed folks. They try this stuff all the time.

Not sure what specific incident this refers to, but anyone who has a non-white player on their team has surely noticed that the reaction to hits, penalties, and the like take a very different tone depending on the player at issue. There are some teams in particular where this is really bad. Never seen it from a player, but you see way more often than you would think from parents and occasionally coaches on the other teams. It’s much worse than other area sports honestly.

I have been watching games at HOCO for 4 years and have never once seen or heard what you are mentioning. The only thing I hear parents getting upset and angry with are when a 6 kid hits a 5 foot kid. Never once a racial issue.

It is there. If people want lacrosse to grow beyond the point where the pinnacle of the sport gets lower TV ratings than a random NCAA softball game, the sport needs to grow beyond its head in the sand on this issue.

You are looking to start an issue that isn't there. I am also a long time parent and coach in the HoCo league. I also have never once heard or witnessed anything. A complaint has never been filed within the league, nothing has ever been brought to the leagues attention before your post on an anonymous forum.[/quote

It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

Just when I thought you couldn't say anything fooler......YOU TOTALLY RESEEM YOURSELF

It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

You are everything that is wrong in today's society. SAD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

You seem to have the issue because no one is agreeing with you, they are defending the league, so either make a phone call or shut up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch.

What would you like the Howard County Park and Rec to do to resolve your issue. They can barely put toilet paper in the bathroom or clean the bathrooms

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It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

Refusing to provide specific evidence that something is happening, when other people don't see it happening, is a bad look for you. Telling people to "do better" to fix a problem, when you can't even convince anyone it actually exists, is a bad look for you. Makes you look like an irrational troublemaker.

"People need to do better" - so what are YOU, personally, doing to make lacrosse more "inclusive"? Or is your only job to tell people they are bad and need to try harder to be good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Refusing to provide specific evidence that something is happening, when other people don't see it happening, is a bad look for you. Telling people to "do better" to fix a problem, when you can't even convince anyone it actually exists, is a bad look for you. Makes you look like an irrational troublemaker.

"People need to do better" - so what are YOU, personally, doing to make lacrosse more "inclusive"? Or is your only job to tell people they are bad and need to try harder to be good?

This

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

Refusing to provide specific evidence that something is happening, when other people don't see it happening, is a bad look for you. Telling people to "do better" to fix a problem, when you can't even convince anyone it actually exists, is a bad look for you. Makes you look like an irrational troublemaker.

"People need to do better" - so what are YOU, personally, doing to make lacrosse more "inclusive"? Or is your only job to tell people they are bad and need to try harder to be good?

This is the problem with those that don't personally experience something - they say it doesn't exist. I have had my black son have issues during HOCO. This was 2 years ago but I'm sure it didn't get out to every family and team in HOCO - even though we complained and we thought the league did a decent job addressing it. So just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I can't speak for previous years, but I coach a diverse team in a '25 division. No issues whatsoever for me, my players, or families that I am aware of. We've won and lost some and all the teams/fans have been gracious winners and losers. It's been a great league for us.

This information was posted on another board, thought it would be relevant here:

playoffs are scheduled for May 14 – 16. If you have 9or more teams in your division, please plan on playing a Friday night play-in game (May 14). In addition, the 2028 elite division will also have Friday night games based on the way things went this season.

May 15 will be semifinals and May 16 will be championships.

We asked that programs leave the weekend of 5/22-5/23 open as we will use those dates for any games that are supposed to be played on championship weekend.

8 teams or less – Top 4 teams make playoffs (exception 2028 Elite)

9 teams or more – Top 5 teams make playoffs

Tie Breakers
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

Please note: The online standings do not reflect the above tiebreakers. We’re working on placing standings in the correct order based on our tiebreakers.

What is the league going to due about games still labeled postponed or those that were never played (no scores provided)? When exactly is a game forfeited and when will the standings be updated with those forfeited games?

You are not helping what you think you are helping. In fact - you are making it worse.

Do better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This information was posted on another board, thought it would be relevant here:

playoffs are scheduled for May 14 – 16. If you have 9or more teams in your division, please plan on playing a Friday night play-in game (May 14). In addition, the 2028 elite division will also have Friday night games based on the way things went this season.

May 15 will be semifinals and May 16 will be championships.

We asked that programs leave the weekend of 5/22-5/23 open as we will use those dates for any games that are supposed to be played on championship weekend.

8 teams or less – Top 4 teams make playoffs (exception 2028 Elite)

9 teams or more – Top 5 teams make playoffs

Tie Breakers
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

Please note: The online standings do not reflect the above tiebreakers. We’re working on placing standings in the correct order based on our tiebreakers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

Refusing to provide specific evidence that something is happening, when other people don't see it happening, is a bad look for you. Telling people to "do better" to fix a problem, when you can't even convince anyone it actually exists, is a bad look for you. Makes you look like an irrational troublemaker.

"People need to do better" - so what are YOU, personally, doing to make lacrosse more "inclusive"? Or is your only job to tell people they are bad and need to try harder to be good?

This is the problem with those that don't personally experience something - they say it doesn't exist. I have had my black son have issues during HOCO. This was 2 years ago but I'm sure it didn't get out to every family and team in HOCO - even though we complained and we thought the league did a decent job addressing it. So just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

So one incident spells doom for all the players and coaches?? I was robbed in Howard County by a AA, does that mean all are AA are criminals in Howard County ? Of course not, but with the logic and overblown agenda we have here , seems so..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

Refusing to provide specific evidence that something is happening, when other people don't see it happening, is a bad look for you. Telling people to "do better" to fix a problem, when you can't even convince anyone it actually exists, is a bad look for you. Makes you look like an irrational troublemaker.

"People need to do better" - so what are YOU, personally, doing to make lacrosse more "inclusive"? Or is your only job to tell people they are bad and need to try harder to be good?

This is the problem with those that don't personally experience something - they say it doesn't exist. I have had my black son have issues during HOCO. This was 2 years ago but I'm sure it didn't get out to every family and team in HOCO - even though we complained and we thought the league did a decent job addressing it. So just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Nothing has happened to my 3 sons in 9 years of HOCO, but each one has experienced a quite a few things at tournaments. It becomes he said/he said if complained about and basically nothing is addressed on a formal level. (The offenders aren't wearing mics, no proff.) Only once was a kid dense enough to say something to my son near a ref. Ansyway, the stuff happens. A lot.

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Nothing has happened to my 3 sons in 9 years of HOCO, but each one has experienced a quite a few things at tournaments. It becomes he said/he said if complained about and basically nothing is addressed on a formal level. (The offenders aren't wearing mics, no proff.) Only once was a kid dense enough to say something to my son near a ref. Ansyway, the stuff happens. A lot.

We've been playing HoCo for six years, and I have never heard anything racist said in the stands, and my son has never heard anything on the field. So "this stuff happens a lot" seems exaggerated.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS PEOPLE!
nothing happened...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Nothing has happened to my 3 sons in 9 years of HOCO, but each one has experienced a quite a few things at tournaments. It becomes he said/he said if complained about and basically nothing is addressed on a formal level. (The offenders aren't wearing mics, no proff.) Only once was a kid dense enough to say something to my son near a ref. Ansyway, the stuff happens. A lot.

We've been playing HoCo for six years, and I have never heard anything racist said in the stands, and my son has never heard anything on the field. So "this stuff happens a lot" seems exaggerated.

It's because the libs in the DC area want to see racism everywhere. When some parent remarks a black kid is fast, the parents (white or black) immediately respond by thinking it's some racist remark rather than a compliment. That same logic never holds when it is reversed. If you want to be offended, you will be offended.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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It doesn’t do anyone any good to report specific teams because that unnecessarily puts the kid(s) and teams in the spotlight. The point is that people need to do better to make this a more inclusive sport. Denying it could ever happen just because you haven’t seen it and people don’t want the hassle that goes along with reporting it and the inevitable denials from the people involved is a bad look.

Refusing to provide specific evidence that something is happening, when other people don't see it happening, is a bad look for you. Telling people to "do better" to fix a problem, when you can't even convince anyone it actually exists, is a bad look for you. Makes you look like an irrational troublemaker.

"People need to do better" - so what are YOU, personally, doing to make lacrosse more "inclusive"? Or is your only job to tell people they are bad and need to try harder to be good?

This is the problem with those that don't personally experience something - they say it doesn't exist. I have had my black son have issues during HOCO. This was 2 years ago but I'm sure it didn't get out to every family and team in HOCO - even though we complained and we thought the league did a decent job addressing it. So just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Nothing has happened to my 3 sons in 9 years of HOCO, but each one has experienced a quite a few things at tournaments. It becomes he said/he said if complained about and basically nothing is addressed on a formal level. (The offenders aren't wearing mics, no proff.) Only once was a kid dense enough to say something to my son near a ref. Ansyway, the stuff happens. A lot.

Fake news. I have been coaching for many years and never heard anything like this. Nice try, though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Nothing has happened to my 3 sons in 9 years of HOCO, but each one has experienced a quite a few things at tournaments. It becomes he said/he said if complained about and basically nothing is addressed on a formal level. (The offenders aren't wearing mics, no proff.) Only once was a kid dense enough to say something to my son near a ref. Ansyway, the stuff happens. A lot.

We've been playing HoCo for six years, and I have never heard anything racist said in the stands, and my son has never heard anything on the field. So "this stuff happens a lot" seems exaggerated.

It's because the libs in the DC area want to see racism everywhere. When some parent remarks a black kid is fast, the parents (white or black) immediately respond by thinking it's some racist remark rather than a compliment. That same logic never holds when it is reversed. If you want to be offended, you will be offended.

Never said my sons were black.

To the PP: read that I said nothing has happened to us in the HoCo league and I actually defended the league. It plays in a very diverse area. But me claiming "Stuff happens a lot"... it's true. Happening just once should be considered a lot yes? Well it's happened more than once. Just can't get reported because nothing can be done about it unless an official witnesses. Otherwise it's not believed, you are the perfect example thank you!

The solution for now are my sons' loyal teammates.

HOCO is implementing a Diversity and Inclusion program that all parents and players must adhere to. Its only fair

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO is implementing a Diversity and Inclusion program that all parents and players must adhere to. Its only fair

About time. All of society should be on a plan. And of course all sports should be included , not just lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Nothing has happened to my 3 sons in 9 years of HOCO, but each one has experienced a quite a few things at tournaments. It becomes he said/he said if complained about and basically nothing is addressed on a formal level. (The offenders aren't wearing mics, no proff.) Only once was a kid dense enough to say something to my son near a ref. Ansyway, the stuff happens. A lot.

We've been playing HoCo for six years, and I have never heard anything racist said in the stands, and my son has never heard anything on the field. So "this stuff happens a lot" seems exaggerated.

It's because the libs in the DC area want to see racism everywhere. When some parent remarks a black kid is fast, the parents (white or black) immediately respond by thinking it's some racist remark rather than a compliment. That same logic never holds when it is reversed. If you want to be offended, you will be offended.

Never said my sons were black.

To the PP: read that I said nothing has happened to us in the HoCo league and I actually defended the league. It plays in a very diverse area. But me claiming "Stuff happens a lot"... it's true. Happening just once should be considered a lot yes? Well it's happened more than once. Just can't get reported because nothing can be done about it unless an official witnesses. Otherwise it's not believed, you are the perfect example thank you!

The solution for now are my sons' loyal teammates.

You are exactly what the pp was referring to. White or black, you are offended by everything and report nothing because it won't rise to the level of a real issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO is implementing a Diversity and Inclusion program that all parents and players must adhere to. Its only fair

Fair to what or whom? You are the perfect example of bowing to key words without even seeing what it entails. I don't need the HoCo lacrosse league dictating or teaching my kids. I need them to train refs on how to spot personal fouls and run a great league, which they do. If HoCo wants to ruin a good thing they should follow the CYO's example on how they ruined their athletic programs.

Unfortunately, race has been politicized so much in the last 11 months that in the rare case where racism actually happens, it’s hard to get non political people to believe you. Boy who cried wolf.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO is implementing a Diversity and Inclusion program that all parents and players must adhere to. Its only fair

I think the PP was sarcastic. I can't imagine HoCo would implement a D&I program. But if they did, what would it say?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never said my sons were black.

To the PP: read that I said nothing has happened to us in the HoCo league and I actually defended the league. It plays in a very diverse area. But me claiming "Stuff happens a lot"... it's true. Happening just once should be considered a lot yes? Well it's happened more than once. Just can't get reported because nothing can be done about it unless an official witnesses. Otherwise it's not believed, you are the perfect example thank you!

The solution for now are my sons' loyal teammates.

You are exactly what the pp was referring to. White or black, you are offended by everything and report nothing because it won't rise to the level of a real issue.

☝🏻

You are exactly what the pp was referring to. White or black, you are offended by everything and report nothing because it won't rise to the level of a real issue.

But isn't being a Victim the cool thing now??? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are exactly what the pp was referring to. White or black, you are offended by everything and report nothing because it won't rise to the level of a real issue.

But isn't being a Victim the cool thing now??? LOL

I am offended.. You are a racist for saying that...see how easy it is.....Now , lets see if I can get a tweet out by an AA lacrosse player and really get this thing going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Nothing has happened to my 3 sons in 9 years of HOCO, but each one has experienced a quite a few things at tournaments. It becomes he said/he said if complained about and basically nothing is addressed on a formal level. (The offenders aren't wearing mics, no proff.) Only once was a kid dense enough to say something to my son near a ref. Ansyway, the stuff happens. A lot.

We've been playing HoCo for six years, and I have never heard anything racist said in the stands, and my son has never heard anything on the field. So "this stuff happens a lot" seems exaggerated.

It's because the libs in the DC area want to see racism everywhere. When some parent remarks a black kid is fast, the parents (white or black) immediately respond by thinking it's some racist remark rather than a compliment. That same logic never holds when it is reversed. If you want to be offended, you will be offended.

Never said my sons were black.

To the PP: read that I said nothing has happened to us in the HoCo league and I actually defended the league. It plays in a very diverse area. But me claiming "Stuff happens a lot"... it's true. Happening just once should be considered a lot yes? Well it's happened more than once. Just can't get reported because nothing can be done about it unless an official witnesses. Otherwise it's not believed, you are the perfect example thank you!

The solution for now are my sons' loyal teammates.

Most of us dont share the same white guilt as you and are not offended at everything .

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Happening just once should be considered a lot yes?

Erm, actually, no. "Once" is the very definition of "not a lot". It's only one step up from "never".

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

Well said !! Now people are really getting it. This could be the start of something big for ALL sports at ALL levels, and who would have thought , it all started here !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

Well said !! Now people are really getting it. This could be the start of something big for ALL sports at ALL levels, and who would have thought , it all started here !

All I am getting is how whacked this forum is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This information was posted on another board, thought it would be relevant here:

playoffs are scheduled for May 14 – 16. If you have 9or more teams in your division, please plan on playing a Friday night play-in game (May 14). In addition, the 2028 elite division will also have Friday night games based on the way things went this season.

May 15 will be semifinals and May 16 will be championships.

We asked that programs leave the weekend of 5/22-5/23 open as we will use those dates for any games that are supposed to be played on championship weekend.

8 teams or less – Top 4 teams make playoffs (exception 2028 Elite)

9 teams or more – Top 5 teams make playoffs

Tie Breakers
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

Please note: The online standings do not reflect the above tiebreakers. We’re working on placing standings in the correct order based on our tiebreakers.

So first place gets a bye and 2 plays 5 and 3 plays 4 I suppose?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This information was posted on another board, thought it would be relevant here:

playoffs are scheduled for May 14 – 16. If you have 9or more teams in your division, please plan on playing a Friday night play-in game (May 14). In addition, the 2028 elite division will also have Friday night games based on the way things went this season.

May 15 will be semifinals and May 16 will be championships.

We asked that programs leave the weekend of 5/22-5/23 open as we will use those dates for any games that are supposed to be played on championship weekend.

8 teams or less – Top 4 teams make playoffs (exception 2028 Elite)

9 teams or more – Top 5 teams make playoffs

Tie Breakers
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

Please note: The online standings do not reflect the above tiebreakers. We’re working on placing standings in the correct order based on our tiebreakers.

So first place gets a bye and 2 plays 5 and 3 plays 4 I suppose?

#4's plays #5's Friday evening (9 team divisions only)

Semi's on Saturday

Championships on Sunday

When will the playoff schedules get posted

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

I think we already have that policy... it’s called tryouts. So we’re good, thanks. I hope that post was a joke but you can never tell with libs. The chance of parents letting hoco decide where their kids play = 0. There would be a private league in a week to avoid this nonsense.

Equity!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This information was posted on another board, thought it would be relevant here:

playoffs are scheduled for May 14 – 16. If you have 9or more teams in your division, please plan on playing a Friday night play-in game (May 14). In addition, the 2028 elite division will also have Friday night games based on the way things went this season.

May 15 will be semifinals and May 16 will be championships.

We asked that programs leave the weekend of 5/22-5/23 open as we will use those dates for any games that are supposed to be played on championship weekend.

8 teams or less – Top 4 teams make playoffs (exception 2028 Elite)

9 teams or more – Top 5 teams make playoffs

Tie Breakers
1. Record/Winning percentage
2. Head to Head
3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5. Total goals scored against
6. Coin Toss/Card Draw

Please note: The online standings do not reflect the above tiebreakers. We’re working on placing standings in the correct order based on our tiebreakers.

So first place gets a bye and 2 plays 5 and 3 plays 4 I suppose?

That would leave 3 teams. Then what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

Go play rec

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

I think we already have that policy... it’s called tryouts. So we’re good, thanks. I hope that post was a joke but you can never tell with libs. The chance of parents letting hoco decide where their kids play = 0. There would be a private league in a week to avoid this nonsense.

Well if Redumblicans don't like the policy result they can always storm HCRP headquarters and try to take it over themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

I think we already have that policy... it’s called tryouts. So we’re good, thanks. I hope that post was a joke but you can never tell with libs. The chance of parents letting hoco decide where their kids play = 0. There would be a private league in a week to avoid this nonsense.

Well if Redumblicans don't like the policy result they can always storm HCRP headquarters and try to take it over themselves.

Wow, so that was a serious suggestion... as the other post mentions, we already have something like this. Tryouts are open to all, every July/August, mark your calendar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well if Redumblicans don't like the policy result they can always storm HCRP headquarters and try to take it over themselves.

You wear your mask in your car alone, don’t you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

Go play rec

The prior post was 100% satire and sarcasm. If anybody read it differently that is scary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

Go play rec

The prior post was 100% satire and sarcasm. If anybody read it differently that is scary.

Thank goodness, hard to tell these days

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

Go play rec

The prior post was 100% satire and sarcasm. If anybody read it differently that is scary.

Thank goodness, hard to tell these days

It is always richly satisfying when someone takes a satirical post seriously...

The playoff schedules have been sent to coaches. When will they be posted on GHCLC Sports Engine?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The playoff schedules have been sent to coaches. When will they be posted on GHCLC Sports Engine?

That’s why god made TeamSnap!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

I think we already have that policy... it’s called tryouts. So we’re good, thanks. I hope that post was a joke but you can never tell with libs. The chance of parents letting hoco decide where their kids play = 0. There would be a private league in a week to avoid this nonsense.

Well if Redumblicans don't like the policy result they can always storm HCRP headquarters and try to take it over themselves.

Taking the policy seriously says all we need to know about you. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like most discussions of race in the past year, this has devolved into nonsense over nothing. Unless somebody wants to explain the new HoCo Diversity and Inclusion policy, let's go back to talking about lacrosse.

In my opinion, the new policy should promote diversity and inclusion of lacrosse talent. The existence of different divisions, based on skill level, is a clearly non-inclusive policy. The "Elite" teams are obviously elitist, which is most unjust. Not being on an Elite team inflicts a crippling blow on the self-esteem of other players, who feel alienated, and merely perpetuates the privilege of those who have had good coaching in the past.

Therefore, before the beginning of the season, HoCo will assess the skill level of every potential player, and will assign players to teams while ensuring that each team contains an equal number of players from every skill level (the former Elite, AAA, AA, A, and B levels). The result will be a glorious display of diversity, inclusion, equity, and athletic justice! Furthermore, weaker players will be greatly inspired by playing on teams with stronger players, and will rapidly improve their athletic skills due to exposure to the example of stronger players.

What decent person could possibly oppose a system based on equity and athletic justice?

I think we already have that policy... it’s called tryouts. So we’re good, thanks. I hope that post was a joke but you can never tell with libs. The chance of parents letting hoco decide where their kids play = 0. There would be a private league in a week to avoid this nonsense.

Well if Redumblicans don't like the policy result they can always storm HCRP headquarters and try to take it over themselves.

Taking the policy seriously says all we need to know about you. LOL

Yes, taking the policy seriously, and the fact that you use the word Redumblicans, says all we need to know. My gosh I am grateful not to be you!

Quarterfinals: https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Final Four - https://cdn2.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quarterfinals: https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Final Four - https://cdn2.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Thanks for posting. Do you have the schedule for the Championship games on Sunday? Some people like to watch other divisions play and Sunday will have some big games.

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Link no longer works. Does anyone know where the brackets can be found so teams can get an idea what time games are Sunday if they advance?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Link no longer works. Does anyone know where the brackets can be found so teams can get an idea what time games are Sunday if they advance?

its all on the GHClacrosse.com website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachme...8707869.1620478226-1656137457.1612806418

Link no longer works. Does anyone know where the brackets can be found so teams can get an idea what time games are Sunday if they advance?

its all on the GHClacrosse.com website.

Nowhere to be found.

The playoff schedule is on the website.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/6354576-ghclc-playoffs-2021

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The playoff schedule is on the website.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/6354576-ghclc-playoffs-2021

It had been taken down and republished with some time changes. Bye thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The playoff schedule is on the website.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/6354576-ghclc-playoffs-2021

It had been taken down and republished with some time changes. Bye thank you.

How is Kelly Post already in the championship?? 2028AAA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The playoff schedule is on the website.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/6354576-ghclc-playoffs-2021

It had been taken down and republished with some time changes. Bye thank you.

How is Kelly Post already in the championship?? 2028AAA?

They are that good. And slipping the HOCO officials a Bengy

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Thanks Matt Hogan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Thanks Matt Hogan

Dont be jealous. Just calling it like it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Thanks Matt Hogan

You’re welcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Thanks Matt Hogan

Just in case you need to be reminded who reigns supreme...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Thanks Matt Hogan

Lol.... Hogan barely knows what a computer is. Doubt he knows how to access this childish forum.

Annapolis Hawks win 4 out of 6 elite divisions. 4 teams undefeated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Thanks Matt Hogan

Lol.... Hogan barely knows what a computer is. Doubt he knows how to access this childish forum.

He may not know what a computer is but he knows how to lead and win. You won’t see any Hawks parents complaining about him!

darn so no FCA or Looney’s lol

Winners:

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/6335081-spring-2021-ghclc-champions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2021 HOCO Championship Games-The Best of the Best

2030 Next Level vs BLC Blue

2029 Hawks vs Next Level

2028 Hawks vs Madlax

2027 Hawks vs Next Level

2026 Hawks vs Crabs

2025 Team 91 vs Next Level Blue

Hawks - 4 teams (all 4 undefeated)
Next Level- 4 teams
Madlax- 1 team
Team 91- 1 team (undefeated)
Crabs- 1 team
BLC- 1 team (undefeated)

Troy Park, Field #1 is the place to be tomorrow.

Thanks Matt Hogan

Lol.... Hogan barely knows what a computer is. Doubt he knows how to access this childish forum.

He may not know what a computer is but he knows how to lead and win. You won’t see any Hawks parents complaining about him!

If you detest Matt Hogan, you’re just tired of losing. He’s the antithesis of the Madlax guy. Or Millon. That guy was quietly on the sideline of every single Hawks game today, guiding those teams to 4 undefeated championships in the highest divisions. There’s no better program in the country.... and if you don’t believe they have multiple showcase teams brewing, a la the 2022 And 2023 Hawks, enjoy being 2nd fiddle. If you want to play with the best, on the best teams in the land, you should be traveling to try out for the Hawks. Period. No flashy gear, almost zero social media, just flat out elite fundamental lacrosse preparing kids to play at the next level and beyond. Jake Carraway? All over TV this weekend, 2016 Hawks. Got beef with one of Hawks coaches? Then you don’t get it. Beef with a Hawks parent? 99% of them you’d love. It’s the 1% that people detest. Kinda like society today..

Personally, I’ve had great interactions with Madlax folks, next level folks, Crabs folks. The FCA parents seem to be the worst actually—a club that won zero in HOCO this weekend.

Don’t put your kid on a club showcasing one kid, put them on the top club showcasing a Whole team. Well, if they can make it...

Great HOCO season. Well run, great new website, fields were great. Thank you Howard county!

What's going on with 2027AA?

The GHCLC site says MadLax beat Cavs 1-0, and that the championship game will be played today.

The Cavs FB page says the 2027 Cavs are the champions - and it has a photo of them holding the trophy in front of the blue banner like all the other championship photos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What's going on with 2027AA?

The GHCLC site says MadLax beat Cavs 1-0, and that the championship game will be played today.

The Cavs FB page says the 2027 Cavs are the champions - and it has a photo of them holding the trophy in front of the blue banner like all the other championship photos.

So what happened? They beat ML and won the championship but then the outcomes were changed to a forfeit? And the championship game had to be replayed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]What's going on with 2027AA?

The GHCLC site says MadLax beat Cavs 1-0, and that the championship game will be played today.

The Cavs FB page says the 2027 Cavs are the champions - and it has a photo of them holding the trophy in front of the blue banner like all the other championship photos.

So what happened? They beat ML and won the championship but then the outcomes were changed to a forfeit? And the championship game had to be replayed?

Essentially this...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with 2027AA?

The GHCLC site says MadLax beat Cavs 1-0, and that the championship game will be played today.

The Cavs FB page says the 2027 Cavs are the champions - and it has a photo of them holding the trophy in front of the blue banner like all the other championship photos.

Cavs used a goalie who was a high schooler apparently.

So what happened? They beat ML and won the championship but then the outcomes were changed to a forfeit? And the championship game had to be replayed?

Essentially this...

Then why replay it? Cavs should have to forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's going on with 2027AA?

The GHCLC site says MadLax beat Cavs 1-0, and that the championship game will be played today.

The Cavs FB page says the 2027 Cavs are the champions - and it has a photo of them holding the trophy in front of the blue banner like all the other championship photos.

Cavs used a goalie who was a high schooler apparently.

So what happened? They beat ML and won the championship but then the outcomes were changed to a forfeit? And the championship game had to be replayed?

Essentially this...

Then why replay it? Cavs should have to forfeit.

They replayed the finals WITHOUT Cavs... So they did forfeit.

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GHCLC opened up registration for the Fall 2021 League. Will it be more like the Spring league (multiple divisions)? Or will it be run like last year with only 2 divisions in each age group?

Depends on the interest.
Can't split a league that has just 4 teams into 5 divisions.

Just saw that East Side Lacrosse will now be True DC. #WeTrainHarder

Locusts. Looking forward to more mediocre neon green and black teams next year!

#WeRosterAnyone

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

I agree . Don’t understand why people detest them so much. I thought only program people hated was hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

I agree . Don’t understand why people detest them so much. I thought only program people hated was hawks.

Maybe its the Annapolitans in general that they detest? Go Army, Beat Navy?

Hawks at least win. THe other palce is no-cut rec-level lacrosse. Pay to play lacrosse at it worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

Worst Money Grab Club, Just awful. Which is really saying alot as all clubs are money grabs to some degree.

Any insight into which 2026 lacrosse teams will be playing in the Fall League?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any insight into which 2026 lacrosse teams will be playing in the Fall League?

Everyone but Hawks

There is no fall league. Check the website. Just doing a one day fall play day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

Worst Money Grab Club, Just awful. Which is really saying alot as all clubs are money grabs to some degree.

I dont know. There are some bad money grabs out there.

I think True has a place in the lacrosse landscape. Just know their business model.

Here in MD, it is generally a club "experience" for kids (and parents) who might to struggle to make club teams otherwise. Essentially, if you want to sign up, you can. Never heard of cuts and I know they accept players all year long.

The HQ has been buying Rec level, low-level club programs that used to cost $400-900 per year. Infuses new life by creating new green and black logos and signs those same kids up for about $2000+.

Many of the teams here compete in the A or B (i.e: Rec-level) club division. There are opportunities for their local players to make a state or national team. I hear anecdotally that those opportunities are quite limited. And of varying quality. I believe the MD team went winless in the WSYL qualifiers? Perhaps someone else that knows for sure can speak to that. I saw other True state teams get manhandled in the Hogan tournaments this year. But maybe they were just having a bad weekend. That like every other club or age group can vary.

They will also offer committed kids more training "opportunities." Generally for additional fees.

There is certainly a market for everyone. If that's what your child needs and is looking for, I am fairly certain you can find a roster spot any time of the year. Just reach out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

Worst Money Grab Club, Just awful. Which is really saying alot as all clubs are money grabs to some degree.

I dont know. There are some bad money grabs out there.

I think True has a place in the lacrosse landscape. Just know their business model.

Here in MD, it is generally a club "experience" for kids (and parents) who might to struggle to make club teams otherwise. Essentially, if you want to sign up, you can. Never heard of cuts and I know they accept players all year long.

The HQ has been buying Rec level, low-level club programs that used to cost $400-900 per year. Infuses new life by creating new green and black logos and signs those same kids up for about $2000+.

Many of the teams here compete in the A or B (i.e: Rec-level) club division. There are opportunities for their local players to make a state or national team. I hear anecdotally that those opportunities are quite limited. And of varying quality. I believe the MD team went winless in the WSYL qualifiers? Perhaps someone else that knows for sure can speak to that. I saw other True state teams get manhandled in the Hogan tournaments this year. But maybe they were just having a bad weekend. That like every other club or age group can vary.

They will also offer committed kids more training "opportunities." Generally for additional fees.

There is certainly a market for everyone. If that's what your child needs and is looking for, I am fairly certain you can find a roster spot any time of the year. Just reach out.

Basically what you are saying , True is a rec program most of time at Club costs. ...Or as most say...A Money Grab. But at least you can say you play Club !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no fall league. Check the website. Just doing a one day fall play day.

The registration for fall league ended, schedule hasn't been published yet.

The registration for fall play-day is open.

I have a True "Whodunnit" for the HoCo thread.

A True team lost several starters before HoCo. They (illegally?) brought up another goalie from another True HoCo roster and got away with it for 1-2 games. Maybe HoCo cleared it, who knows.

But the big thing they did is bring up a bunch of talented kids from VA, about 3-4 games into HoCo, who really turned around the season for them. I assume these kids will play HoCo for True VA in Spring 2022.

The True coaches insist they told the League (HoCo) about these roster additions mid-season. Then in the playoffs, an opposing coach asked for a roster check and something like 5-6 of the True kids were told to leave because they were NOT on the roster. They were NEVER on the official HoCo roster according to HoCo.

Officially speaking, I'd assume this is the league's fault. I trust that True coaches contacted them with the roster changes.

However from a business perspective, what say ye? Shouldn't the True coaches/staff, holding on to $40K+ for that rostered club, made sure to follow up with the League to make sure "it got done?" Getting the paperwork done is the least exciting part of any management job, we all know that. But it's part of the job in my opinion.

True's opinion is they "got shafted." I have trouble with that....you have paid staff....make sure the job gets done.

What does the angry mob say? Who's to blame here?

Therein lies the beauty of having a large organization that you can pool from when you're short players. Clearly on the squad to update but I'd say a lot of the blame falls to the parents of the players who left just before the start of the season. My son was part of a team collapse between the Winter and Spring where 4 or 5 of the best players double registered with another club (without the initial club knowing) and our coaches were constantly scrambling to find enough bodies just so the middies wouldn't collapse.

Only an issue if those kids are playing for multiple teams in the same league and doing it repeatedly. Or if coaches are stacking with outside help from "guest" players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a True "Whodunnit" for the HoCo thread.

A True team lost several starters before HoCo. They (illegally?) brought up another goalie from another True HoCo roster and got away with it for 1-2 games. Maybe HoCo cleared it, who knows.

But the big thing they did is bring up a bunch of talented kids from VA, about 3-4 games into HoCo, who really turned around the season for them. I assume these kids will play HoCo for True VA in Spring 2022.

The True coaches insist they told the League (HoCo) about these roster additions mid-season. Then in the playoffs, an opposing coach asked for a roster check and something like 5-6 of the True kids were told to leave because they were NOT on the roster. They were NEVER on the official HoCo roster according to HoCo.

Officially speaking, I'd assume this is the league's fault. I trust that True coaches contacted them with the roster changes.

However from a business perspective, what say ye? Shouldn't the True coaches/staff, holding on to $40K+ for that rostered club, made sure to follow up with the League to make sure "it got done?" Getting the paperwork done is the least exciting part of any management job, we all know that. But it's part of the job in my opinion.

True's opinion is they "got shafted." I have trouble with that....you have paid staff....make sure the job gets done.

What does the angry mob say? Who's to blame here?

Not that hard.... True does what many Clubs do. Nothing unusual. Just that most Clubs dont get called out as its only a tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a True "Whodunnit" for the HoCo thread.

A True team lost several starters before HoCo. They (illegally?) brought up another goalie from another True HoCo roster and got away with it for 1-2 games. Maybe HoCo cleared it, who knows.

But the big thing they did is bring up a bunch of talented kids from VA, about 3-4 games into HoCo, who really turned around the season for them. I assume these kids will play HoCo for True VA in Spring 2022.

The True coaches insist they told the League (HoCo) about these roster additions mid-season. Then in the playoffs, an opposing coach asked for a roster check and something like 5-6 of the True kids were told to leave because they were NOT on the roster. They were NEVER on the official HoCo roster according to HoCo.

Officially speaking, I'd assume this is the league's fault. I trust that True coaches contacted them with the roster changes.

However from a business perspective, what say ye? Shouldn't the True coaches/staff, holding on to $40K+ for that rostered club, made sure to follow up with the League to make sure "it got done?" Getting the paperwork done is the least exciting part of any management job, we all know that. But it's part of the job in my opinion.

True's opinion is they "got shafted." I have trouble with that....you have paid staff....make sure the job gets done.

What does the angry mob say? Who's to blame here?

What grad year is this? Because the odds of True VA having players that would be on par or better than any of the True teams in MD would be highly unlikely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a True "Whodunnit" for the HoCo thread.

A True team lost several starters before HoCo. They (illegally?) brought up another goalie from another True HoCo roster and got away with it for 1-2 games. Maybe HoCo cleared it, who knows.

But the big thing they did is bring up a bunch of talented kids from VA, about 3-4 games into HoCo, who really turned around the season for them. I assume these kids will play HoCo for True VA in Spring 2022.

The True coaches insist they told the League (HoCo) about these roster additions mid-season. Then in the playoffs, an opposing coach asked for a roster check and something like 5-6 of the True kids were told to leave because they were NOT on the roster. They were NEVER on the official HoCo roster according to HoCo.

Officially speaking, I'd assume this is the league's fault. I trust that True coaches contacted them with the roster changes.

However from a business perspective, what say ye? Shouldn't the True coaches/staff, holding on to $40K+ for that rostered club, made sure to follow up with the League to make sure "it got done?" Getting the paperwork done is the least exciting part of any management job, we all know that. But it's part of the job in my opinion.

True's opinion is they "got shafted." I have trouble with that....you have paid staff....make sure the job gets done.

What does the angry mob say? Who's to blame here?

Which age group? True had at least 2 kids who were double rostered in my son’s year too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a True "Whodunnit" for the HoCo thread.

A True team lost several starters before HoCo. They (illegally?) brought up another goalie from another True HoCo roster and got away with it for 1-2 games. Maybe HoCo cleared it, who knows.

But the big thing they did is bring up a bunch of talented kids from VA, about 3-4 games into HoCo, who really turned around the season for them. I assume these kids will play HoCo for True VA in Spring 2022.

The True coaches insist they told the League (HoCo) about these roster additions mid-season. Then in the playoffs, an opposing coach asked for a roster check and something like 5-6 of the True kids were told to leave because they were NOT on the roster. They were NEVER on the official HoCo roster according to HoCo.

Officially speaking, I'd assume this is the league's fault. I trust that True coaches contacted them with the roster changes.

However from a business perspective, what say ye? Shouldn't the True coaches/staff, holding on to $40K+ for that rostered club, made sure to follow up with the League to make sure "it got done?" Getting the paperwork done is the least exciting part of any management job, we all know that. But it's part of the job in my opinion.

True's opinion is they "got shafted." I have trouble with that....you have paid staff....make sure the job gets done.

What does the angry mob say? Who's to blame here?

What grad year is this? Because the odds of True VA having players that would be on par or better than any of the True teams in MD would be highly unlikely.

From what I heard it was a 28/29/30 squad that played at B level. I heard the same story about the NoVA kids but not about the goalie rostered on a second team.

So no fall season, just a play day on 9/26?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

Worst Money Grab Club, Just awful. Which is really saying alot as all clubs are money grabs to some degree.

I dont know. There are some bad money grabs out there.

I think True has a place in the lacrosse landscape. Just know their business model.

Here in MD, it is generally a club "experience" for kids (and parents) who might to struggle to make club teams otherwise. Essentially, if you want to sign up, you can. Never heard of cuts and I know they accept players all year long.

The HQ has been buying Rec level, low-level club programs that used to cost $400-900 per year. Infuses new life by creating new green and black logos and signs those same kids up for about $2000+.

Many of the teams here compete in the A or B (i.e: Rec-level) club division. There are opportunities for their local players to make a state or national team. I hear anecdotally that those opportunities are quite limited. And of varying quality. I believe the MD team went winless in the WSYL qualifiers? Perhaps someone else that knows for sure can speak to that. I saw other True state teams get manhandled in the Hogan tournaments this year. But maybe they were just having a bad weekend. That like every other club or age group can vary.

They will also offer committed kids more training "opportunities." Generally for additional fees.

There is certainly a market for everyone. If that's what your child needs and is looking for, I am fairly certain you can find a roster spot any time of the year. Just reach out.

Basically what you are saying , True is a rec program most of time at Club costs. ...Or as most say...A Money Grab. But at least you can say you play Club !

When my kid started moving through the ranks of club ball, I underestimated the # of parents who were copacetic with "whatever" training and "whatever" results on the field even at "A level" / rec travel level, and would crank open the checkbook........so they could say little Jane and Johnny play "club" ball. There is some level of it all the way up through AAA teams in some years, "yeah we don't win any games but it's elite training!" (but is it?).

Interesting here too that nobody is discussing True Girls Lax which I think suffers the same problems. Tons of training, good PR, coaching seems to be adequate, but don't win a lot of games even against meager/rec competition. I guess to be fair, the girls programs around MD are stacked the same way the boys are, maybe with even a sharper dropoff from Elite to "very not elite."

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Nobody thinks it's a good move or a good look unless you're one of those families being brought in mid-season to suddenly be "featured." And let's be honest it happens at tournaments with the elite teams all the way down to the rec club teams.

If my kid had been putting in time as the featured middie all fall/winter/spring and suddenly it's May 1 and suddenly he/she is #4 because 3 random kids became available (and the coach likes them)...........just no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

The question should be "what families want that type of club?"

So now you all are whining and crying about True cheating - before it was older kids playing down - and before that it was reclassed kids

Just got play lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP and Baltimore are combining this year. Forming a HoCo AA and B team.
My son was sent to the B team. But was told he can still try out for the True state team.
So he wasn't good enough for the A team, but he could make the state team?
???
I'm not believing a word out of their mouths at this point. If it wasn't so late in the process we'd be gone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

The question should be "what families want that type of club?"

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now you all are whining and crying about True cheating - before it was older kids playing down - and before that it was reclassed kids

Just got play lacrosse

True for sure was cheating with bringing in players just to win, seems wrong to most,,,,, Older kids playing down is common and due to the clubs wanting to win and parents want advatage others dont get, seems wrong to most,,,,reclassed kids is same as older kids/prefirst playing down against younger kids , seems wrong to most..............

Yea, you are a holdback parent who could care less about the sport of lacrosse, just what is good for you and your son playing down against younger children. Seems wrong to most !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

The question should be "what families want that type of club?"

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According to the consensus on this forum.....Crabs, 91, Hawks and Madlax in no particular order

Is the HoCo play date happening?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

The question should be "what families want that type of club?"

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According to the consensus on this forum.....Crabs, 91, Hawks and Madlax in no particular order

Hawks 26? No chance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

But they do deserve to move up to AAA, the players and all 5 parent coaches!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP and Baltimore are combining this year. Forming a HoCo AA and B team.
My son was sent to the B team. But was told he can still try out for the True state team.
So he wasn't good enough for the A team, but he could make the state team?
???
I'm not believing a word out of their mouths at this point. If it wasn't so late in the process we'd be gone.

If your kid can basically play (throw, catch, dodge, defend, communicate), and he or she shows up to a True tryout, they'll see:
1) There aren't a lot of kids at the tryout
2) Half or more of the kids at the tryout cannot throw and catch, even at 8th-9th grade.

I saw the head honchos of KP at some True clinics in summer of 2020. They saw what I saw........the kids who could play had KP, HLC, FCA helmets on. Kids who would not be joining True Balt. Which leaves........the other kids. Yet KP still pulled the trigger on selling to True, which in retrospect sure looks dense.

OF COURSE True would eat their identity.

OF COURSE True would kill their logo.

OF COURSE True would jack up the fees.

OF COURSE True would eat their best rosters.

I don't even blame True, this is just how they roll. KP was a great organization and it has to be said that someone (in KP) knew very well that the transaction would kill KP, and they made the sale anyway. Oh well?

HoCo Fall League a no go? No schedule, no sneak peaks, no n-o-t-h-i-n-g!

HoCo Play Day a no go? Only a handful of teams across all ages have registered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP was probably disqualified for breaking the rules:

GHCLC Bylaws & League Rules
CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters will be submitted via the Sports Engine website.

Failure to turn in a roster and waiver before the first game will result in forfeiture of every game until they are on file with
the Conference.

Any additions or deletions must be put in writing and submitted to the Conference Manager before the player is eligible to
play. Additions must include all information and waiver forms required with the original roster submittal. No player may
be added after the fourth game of the season.

PLAYER ELIGIBILITY

Any team using an ineligible player shall automatically forfeit each game in which the player participated. If a team uses
a player under an assumed name, that team shall be suspended from the league. Each game played with that player and all
scheduled games not played shall be forfeited to the opponents.

Protests as to the use of an ineligible player must be made within 48 hours of game time during the regular season and
within one hour of post-season play. A $50 protest fee is required. The protest must be submitted in writing to the
Conference Commissioner. The protest fee will be refunded if the protest is successful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP was probably disqualified for breaking the rules:

GHCLC Bylaws & League Rules
CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters will be submitted via the Sports Engine website.

Failure to turn in a roster and waiver before the first game will result in forfeiture of every game until they are on file with
the Conference.

Any additions or deletions must be put in writing and submitted to the Conference Manager before the player is eligible to
play. Additions must include all information and waiver forms required with the original roster submittal. No player may
be added after the fourth game of the season.

PLAYER ELIGIBILITY

Any team using an ineligible player shall automatically forfeit each game in which the player participated. If a team uses
a player under an assumed name, that team shall be suspended from the league. Each game played with that player and all
scheduled games not played shall be forfeited to the opponents.

Protests as to the use of an ineligible player must be made within 48 hours of game time during the regular season and
within one hour of post-season play. A $50 protest fee is required. The protest must be submitted in writing to the
Conference Commissioner. The protest fee will be refunded if the protest is successful.

Probably, Hoco dad ... but they were allowed to keep playing the rest of the regular season until they were matched up with HOCO in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP was probably disqualified for breaking the rules:

GHCLC Bylaws & League Rules
CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters will be submitted via the Sports Engine website.

Failure to turn in a roster and waiver before the first game will result in forfeiture of every game until they are on file with
the Conference.

Any additions or deletions must be put in writing and submitted to the Conference Manager before the player is eligible to
play. Additions must include all information and waiver forms required with the original roster submittal. No player may
be added after the fourth game of the season.

PLAYER ELIGIBILITY

Any team using an ineligible player shall automatically forfeit each game in which the player participated. If a team uses
a player under an assumed name, that team shall be suspended from the league. Each game played with that player and all
scheduled games not played shall be forfeited to the opponents.

Protests as to the use of an ineligible player must be made within 48 hours of game time during the regular season and
within one hour of post-season play. A $50 protest fee is required. The protest must be submitted in writing to the
Conference Commissioner. The protest fee will be refunded if the protest is successful.

Probably, Hoco dad ... but they were allowed to keep playing the rest of the regular season until they were matched up with HOCO in the playoffs.

The were not going to let their own lose a AA championship when they played down all spring to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP was probably disqualified for breaking the rules:

GHCLC Bylaws & League Rules
CONFERENCE APPLICATION & ROSTERS

Rosters will be submitted via the Sports Engine website.

Failure to turn in a roster and waiver before the first game will result in forfeiture of every game until they are on file with
the Conference.

Any additions or deletions must be put in writing and submitted to the Conference Manager before the player is eligible to
play. Additions must include all information and waiver forms required with the original roster submittal. No player may
be added after the fourth game of the season.

PLAYER ELIGIBILITY

Any team using an ineligible player shall automatically forfeit each game in which the player participated. If a team uses
a player under an assumed name, that team shall be suspended from the league. Each game played with that player and all
scheduled games not played shall be forfeited to the opponents.

Protests as to the use of an ineligible player must be made within 48 hours of game time during the regular season and
within one hour of post-season play. A $50 protest fee is required. The protest must be submitted in writing to the
Conference Commissioner. The protest fee will be refunded if the protest is successful.

Probably, Hoco dad ... but they were allowed to keep playing the rest of the regular season until they were matched up with HOCO in the playoffs.

It does explain how the 2028 HoCo coach somehow "knew" to roster check True Balt in the playoffs.......like one day later hahahaha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP and Baltimore are combining this year. Forming a HoCo AA and B team.
My son was sent to the B team. But was told he can still try out for the True state team.
So he wasn't good enough for the A team, but he could make the state team?
???
I'm not believing a word out of their mouths at this point. If it wasn't so late in the process we'd be gone.

If your kid can basically play (throw, catch, dodge, defend, communicate), and he or she shows up to a True tryout, they'll see:
1) There aren't a lot of kids at the tryout
2) Half or more of the kids at the tryout cannot throw and catch, even at 8th-9th grade.

I saw the head honchos of KP at some True clinics in summer of 2020. They saw what I saw........the kids who could play had KP, HLC, FCA helmets on. Kids who would not be joining True Balt. Which leaves........the other kids. Yet KP still pulled the trigger on selling to True, which in retrospect sure looks dense.

OF COURSE True would eat their identity.

OF COURSE True would kill their logo.

OF COURSE True would jack up the fees.

OF COURSE True would eat their best rosters.

I don't even blame True, this is just how they roll. KP was a great organization and it has to be said that someone (in KP) knew very well that the transaction would kill KP, and they made the sale anyway. Oh well?

KP hasn't been sold to True. Most of the KP 2026 top team moved to True Baltimore. KP has teams 2026-2031 plus MYLA and in-house at Tyker. I think there are 2024 and 25 teams playing next summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP and Baltimore are combining this year. Forming a HoCo AA and B team.
My son was sent to the B team. But was told he can still try out for the True state team.
So he wasn't good enough for the A team, but he could make the state team?
???
I'm not believing a word out of their mouths at this point. If it wasn't so late in the process we'd be gone.

If your kid can basically play (throw, catch, dodge, defend, communicate), and he or she shows up to a True tryout, they'll see:
1) There aren't a lot of kids at the tryout
2) Half or more of the kids at the tryout cannot throw and catch, even at 8th-9th grade.

I saw the head honchos of KP at some True clinics in summer of 2020. They saw what I saw........the kids who could play had KP, HLC, FCA helmets on. Kids who would not be joining True Balt. Which leaves........the other kids. Yet KP still pulled the trigger on selling to True, which in retrospect sure looks dense.

OF COURSE True would eat their identity.

OF COURSE True would kill their logo.

OF COURSE True would jack up the fees.

OF COURSE True would eat their best rosters.

I don't even blame True, this is just how they roll. KP was a great organization and it has to be said that someone (in KP) knew very well that the transaction would kill KP, and they made the sale anyway. Oh well?

KP hasn't been sold to True. Most of the KP 2026 top team moved to True Baltimore. KP has teams 2026-2031 plus MYLA and in-house at Tyker. I think there are 2024 and 25 teams playing next summer

True either "bought out" or "bought a controlling share" of Kelly Post Club in August 2020. The KP travel (rec MYLA) and in-house teams are operated by Towson Rec Council.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.[/quote]

True KP and Baltimore are combining this year. Forming a HoCo AA and B team.
My son was sent to the B team. But was told he can still try out for the True state team.
So he wasn't good enough for the A team, but he could make the state team?
???
I'm not believing a word out of their mouths at this point. If it wasn't so late in the process we'd be gone.[/quote]

If your kid can basically play (throw, catch, dodge, defend, communicate), and he or she shows up to a True tryout, they'll see:
1) There aren't a lot of kids at the tryout
2) Half or more of the kids at the tryout cannot throw and catch, even at 8th-9th grade.

I saw the head honchos of KP at some True clinics in summer of 2020. They saw what I saw........the kids who could play had KP, HLC, FCA helmets on. Kids who would not be joining True Balt. Which leaves........the other kids. Yet KP still pulled the trigger on selling to True, which in retrospect sure looks dense.

OF COURSE True would eat their identity.

OF COURSE True would kill their logo.

OF COURSE True would jack up the fees.

OF COURSE True would eat their best rosters.

I don't even blame True, this is just how they roll. KP was a great organization and it has to be said that someone (in KP) knew very well that the transaction would kill KP, and they made the sale anyway. Oh well?[/quote]

KP hasn't been sold to True. Most of the KP 2026 top team moved to True Baltimore. KP has teams 2026-2031 plus MYLA and in-house at Tyker. I think there are 2024 and 25 teams playing next summer[/quote]

True either "bought out" or "bought a controlling share" of Kelly Post Club in August 2020. The KP travel (rec MYLA) and in-house teams are operated by Towson Rec Council.[/quote]

Nope. You can't buy or sell a rec program. True KP teams pay an additional fee to have access to skills training and opportunity to tryout for state/national teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP and Baltimore are combining this year. Forming a HoCo AA and B team.
My son was sent to the B team. But was told he can still try out for the True state team.
So he wasn't good enough for the A team, but he could make the state team?
???
I'm not believing a word out of their mouths at this point. If it wasn't so late in the process we'd be gone.[/quote]

If your kid can basically play (throw, catch, dodge, defend, communicate), and he or she shows up to a True tryout, they'll see:
1) There aren't a lot of kids at the tryout
2) Half or more of the kids at the tryout cannot throw and catch, even at 8th-9th grade.

I saw the head honchos of KP at some True clinics in summer of 2020. They saw what I saw........the kids who could play had KP, HLC, FCA helmets on. Kids who would not be joining True Balt. Which leaves........the other kids. Yet KP still pulled the trigger on selling to True, which in retrospect sure looks dense.

OF COURSE True would eat their identity.

OF COURSE True would kill their logo.

OF COURSE True would jack up the fees.

OF COURSE True would eat their best rosters.

I don't even blame True, this is just how they roll. KP was a great organization and it has to be said that someone (in KP) knew very well that the transaction would kill KP, and they made the sale anyway. Oh well?[/quote]

KP hasn't been sold to True. Most of the KP 2026 top team moved to True Baltimore. KP has teams 2026-2031 plus MYLA and in-house at Tyker. I think there are 2024 and 25 teams playing next summer[/quote]

True either "bought out" or "bought a controlling share" of Kelly Post Club in August 2020. The KP travel (rec MYLA) and in-house teams are operated by Towson Rec Council.[/quote]

Nope. You can't buy or sell a rec program. True KP teams pay an additional fee to have access to skills training and opportunity to tryout for state/national teams[/quote]

YOu can't sell a REC program. But many of the club teams that are connected to a rec program for use of their fields etc, are operated as a separate entity. The "club" version of many programs are often run as a separate entity from the rec side because they require independent fundraising and different, less standardized billing. If the club team protion was run as a separate entity, they could in fact sell.

[
I don't even blame True, this is just how they roll. KP was a great organization and it has to be said that someone (in KP) knew very well that the transaction would kill KP, and they made the sale anyway. Oh well?[/quote]

KP hasn't been sold to True. Most of the KP 2026 top team moved to True Baltimore. KP has teams 2026-2031 plus MYLA and in-house at Tyker. I think there are 2024 and 25 teams playing next summer[/quote]

True either "bought out" or "bought a controlling share" of Kelly Post Club in August 2020. The KP travel (rec MYLA) and in-house teams are operated by Towson Rec Council.[/quote]

Nope. You can't buy or sell a rec program. True KP teams pay an additional fee to have access to skills training and opportunity to tryout for state/national teams[/quote]

YOu can't sell a REC program. But many of the club teams that are connected to a rec program for use of their fields etc, are operated as a separate entity. The "club" version of many programs are often run as a separate entity from the rec side because they require independent fundraising and different, less standardized billing. If the club team protion was run as a separate entity, they could in fact sell.[/quote]

That's not how it works with KP. Some of the club teams are True KP others are not. According to my son's coach the KP true parents pay an extra couple hundred which gives them extra training and access to True state and national teams. His team is not True Kp but is club team

It's the 3d Model.
Asked Carroll Manor how their 3d excursion worked out.
Brining in an outside group to provide more or better training is the last act of a desperate rec org.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the 3d Model.
Asked Carroll Manor how their 3d excursion worked out.
Brining in an outside group to provide more or better training is the last act of a desperate rec org.

100%. Mesa came in, stunk in most of the Severna Park kids, charged full rate. Failed to deliver in nearly everything, fields, practices, coaches leaving during tournament games... After 1 year Mesa folded and bam those kids were running to True and anywhere that would take them. Sev Park lax is back to being a bad rec option worse than when they started.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP and Baltimore are combining this year. Forming a HoCo AA and B team.
My son was sent to the B team. But was told he can still try out for the True state team.
So he wasn't good enough for the A team, but he could make the state team?
???
I'm not believing a word out of their mouths at this point. If it wasn't so late in the process we'd be gone.

If your kid can basically play (throw, catch, dodge, defend, communicate), and he or she shows up to a True tryout, they'll see:
1) There aren't a lot of kids at the tryout
2) Half or more of the kids at the tryout cannot throw and catch, even at 8th-9th grade.

I saw the head honchos of KP at some True clinics in summer of 2020. They saw what I saw........the kids who could play had KP, HLC, FCA helmets on. Kids who would not be joining True Balt. Which leaves........the other kids. Yet KP still pulled the trigger on selling to True, which in retrospect sure looks dense.

OF COURSE True would eat their identity.

OF COURSE True would kill their logo.

OF COURSE True would jack up the fees.

OF COURSE True would eat their best rosters.

I don't even blame True, this is just how they roll. KP was a great organization and it has to be said that someone (in KP) knew very well that the transaction would kill KP, and they made the sale anyway. Oh well?

KP hasn't been sold to True. Most of the KP 2026 top team moved to True Baltimore. KP has teams 2026-2031 plus MYLA and in-house at Tyker. I think there are 2024 and 25 teams playing next summer

I don’t know what is meant by sold but the kp club teams are definitely playing under True now. The team formerly known as True KP is now True Baltimore. Pretty sure this is the case at every level but definitely for the 2026.

KP hasn't been sold to True. Most of the KP 2026 top team moved to True Baltimore. KP has teams 2026-2031 plus MYLA and in-house at Tyker. I think there are 2024 and 25 teams playing next summer[/quote]

I don’t know what is meant by sold but the kp club teams are definitely playing under True now. The team formerly known as True KP is now True Baltimore. Pretty sure this is the case at every level but definitely for the 2026.[/quote]

only correct for 2026 grey

I know for 2028, last spring there was True Baltimore, True KP Grey, and True KP Green.

The question remains does KP offer any club teams that aren’t true?

True didn’t buy squat. True just got KP to sign a will not compete clause for the 26s in exchange for some coaching help at that age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The question remains does KP offer any club teams that aren’t true?

True didn’t buy squat. True just got KP to sign a will not compete clause for the 26s in exchange for some coaching help at that age group.

Was it vetted by lawyers ? This sounds like the beginning of a hostile takeover. Did KP hire a reputable law firm? Maybe Venable LLP, I think they are largest in Balt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True '26 added kids who were rostered elsewhere, mid-season.What parent thinks that is a good move?And what club wants those types of families?

Most clubs will do it if it means winning. Most parents go along with it if it means winning.

So was this why True KP 26 dropped out of the playoffs ? Coincidence that it paved the road for Hoco 26 to the finals and that True KP badly beat Hoco during regular season ? And because of it, Hoco 26 deserves to move up to AAA....right.

True KP and HOCO played at True KP field 2 weeks after HOCO league ended. HOCO whipped them 11-5. And yes, full squads and refs.

GHCLC Play-Day 2021 - Cancelled as of Sep 21, 2021

Guess HoCo got no takers for the fall league or play day

Highlight video question. I've seen a variety of highlight videos of kids in high school. Some look like they are shot from the Goodyear blimp and others from the sidelines like NFL Films. Are the kids or clubs hiring private video guys to supplement the Next Level Video, Next Pro or Cruitcasts? Are these companies that do this more focused type of angle or just parents?

My son plays for Crabs. They hired someone to shoot every game (HOCO league). We get a link to each game and then kids can make their own highlight video using those. Cost was “included” in club fee.

Many clubs have a video systems or videographers for the games included in the fees. Ask your club and see.

Subject: GHCLC Spring Season - POSTPONED

Club Directors and Administrators,

We will be extending the GHCLC start date to AT LEAST the weekend of April 24th.

We're going to explore different avenues (i.e shortened season, multi-weekend tournament, etc.) as we work through this tough time. The league and it's Board of Directors will continue to discuss contingency plans. We also understand that many of our clubs/organizations fall under several different jurisdictions and must adhere to those regulations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Subject: GHCLC Spring Season - POSTPONED

Club Directors and Administrators,

We will be extending the GHCLC start date to AT LEAST the weekend of April 24th.

We're going to explore different avenues (i.e shortened season, multi-weekend tournament, etc.) as we work through this tough time. The league and it's Board of Directors will continue to discuss contingency plans. We also understand that many of our clubs/organizations fall under several different jurisdictions and must adhere to those regulations.

Please diregard, that was from 2020.

I think this is from 2020 and reposted as a hoax.

with with this spam, yo?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Why so angry about holdbacks? Relax and Hit The Wall !

Looks like divisions are starting to trickle out - anyone have the master list for all age groups?

Yes.
I can’t wait for all the heads to explode around here.

A first draft. There will probably be some shifting

2026 Elite 2026 AAAA 2026 AAA 2026 AA 2026 A
1 Next Level Cannons Select Zingos Black PLC MDX-R
2 Madlax Capital Crabs Hardshells Dark Horse Wolfpack Green VLC Colangelo
3 Team 91 Sidewinders Coastal Academy Baltimore Swarm Predators
4 DC Express Black HoCo Breakers Blue Hard Lax Breakers Orange
5 VLC TRW Wolfpack Roughriders True Annapolis White Madlax DMV
6 Crabs Top Caliber Team Maryland White True Baltimore Kelly Post
7 True Annapolis Green Looney's DC Express Orange ALC Bay Raiders Green Hornets
8 Annapolis Hawks FCA Koopers HLC

2027 Elite 2027 AAA 2027 AA 2027 A
1 Next Level Koopers Cannons Select Rockfish Purple
2 Team 91 True Annapolis White ALC Bay Raiders Baltimore Swarm
3 Madlax Capital True KP Team Maryland Red Bethesda Orange
4 Crabs VLC Predators Sidewinders Volt
5 FCA Bethesda Blue True VA Black HoCo
6 Annapolis Hawks Sidewinders Black True DC Zingos Blue
7 True Annapolis Green Team Maryland White True Baltimore Rockfish Neon
8 Zingos Black Hammers LTLC Breakers
9 Ville
10 Madlax DMV

2028 Elite 2028 AAAA 2028 AAA 2028 AA 2028 A
1 Next Level Blue Wolfpack True Annapolis White Rockfish FCA Orange
2 Madlax Capital Cannons Select Sidewinders Ville Arden Diamondbacks 28/29
3 Crabs Team 91 Arden Diamondbacks HoCo Zingos
4 FCA Blue FCA White VLC Bethesda Orange Green Hornets 28/29
5 Annapolis Hawks Annapolis Hawks Black Team Money Next Level Red Baltimore Swarm
6 Bethesda Blue Team Maryland True DC Top Caliber Kelly Post Green
7 True Annapolis Green Blue Claws Red Baltimore Elite Madlax DMV LTLC
8 Kelly Post Grey HLC Predators VLC Herin True Baltimore
9 Blue Claws Blue
10

2029 Elite 2029 AAA 2029 AA 2029 A
1 Madlax Capital Wolfpack Koopers Zingos
2 Team 91 Baltimore Swarm Madlax DMV Rockfish
3 Next Level FCA Team Maryland ALC Bay Raiders
4 VLC See HoCo Predators VLC Poon
5 Bethesda Blue Carroll Manor Sidewinders True Baltimore
6 Annapolis Hawks Cannons Select HLC Ville
7 True Annapolis VLC Laytonsville Hippos
8 LTLC True KP

2030 AAA 2030 AA 2030 A
1 Madlax Capital Wolfpack Madlax DMV
2 Next Level Kelly Post Grey Zingos
3 FCA Baltimore Swarm Cannons Select
4 True Annapolis Blue Claws ALC Bay Raiders
5 Annapolis Hawks Crabs Kelly Post Green
6 Bethesda Blue HoCo Bethesda Orange
7 LTLC True Severna Park Arden Diamondbacks
8 Team 91 VLC Cleary/Kilgannon Ville
9 Sidewinders BAYS River Dawgs
10 Team Maryland

2031 AAA 2031 AA 2031 A 2032
1 Madlax Capital Kelly Post Wolfpack White Next Level 2032
2 Next Level LTLC HoCo 2031/2032 Madlax Capital 2032
3 Wolfpack Green Sidewinders 2031 Baltimore Swarm 2031/2032 Crabs 2032
4 Crabs True Annapolis 31/32 Ville Annapolis Hawks 2032
5 Annapolis Hawks Zingos Madlax DMV Bethesda Blue 2032
6 Bethesda Blue Cannons Select Blue Claws 2031 LTLC 2032
7 Green Hornets Blue Claws 2032
8 VLC Freudiger Sidewinders 2032

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes.
I can’t wait for all the heads to explode around here.

The list is going to change before it’s released….just chill.

New invention with quadruple A this year in 2026

2026 Elite
Next Level
Madlax Capital
Team 91
DC Express Black
VLC
Crabs
True Annapolis Green
Annapolis Hawks

2026 AAAA
Cannons Select
Crabs Hardshells
Sidewinders
HoCo
TRW Wolfpack
Top Caliber
Looney's
FCA

2026 AAA
Zingos Black
Dark Horse
Coastal Academy
Breakers Blue
Roughriders
Team Maryland White
DC Express Orange
Koopers

2026 AA
PLC
Wolfpack Green
Baltimore Swarm
Hard Lax
True Annapolis White
True Baltimore
ALC Bay Raiders
HLC

2026 A
MDX-R
VLC Colangelo
Predators
Breakers Orange
Madlax DMV
Kelly Post
Green Hornets

2026 B
Zingos Blue
Wolfpack White
Rockfish
True DC
Team Maryland Red
Ville
Baltimore Elite
Blue Claws

2027 Elite
1 Next Level
2 Team 91
3 Madlax Capital
4 Crabs
5 FCA
6 Annapolis Hawks
7 True Annapolis Green
8 Zingos Black

2027 AAA
Koopers
True Annapolis White
True KP
VLC
Bethesda Blue
Sidewinders Black
Team Maryland White
Hammers

2027 AA
Cannons Select
ALC Bay Raiders
Team Maryland Red
Predators
True VA Black
True DC
True Baltimore
LTLC

2027 A
Rockfish Purple
Baltimore Swarm
Bethesda Orange
Sidewinders Volt
HoCo
Zingos Blue
Rockfish Neon
Breakers
Ville
Madlax DMV

2028 Elite
Next Level Blue
Madlax Capital
Crabs
FCA Blue
Annapolis Hawks
Bethesda Blue
True Annapolis Green
Kelly Post Grey

2028 AAAA
Wolfpack
Cannons Select
Team 91
FCA White
Annapolis Hawks Black
Team Maryland
Blue Claws Red
HLC

2028 AAA
True Annapolis White
Sidewinders
Arden Diamondbacks
VLC
Team Money
True DC
Baltimore Elite
Predators

2028 AA
Rockfish
Ville
HoCo
Bethesda Orange
Next Level Red
Top Caliber
Madlax DMV
VLC Herin

2028 A
FCA Orange
Arden Diamondbacks 2028/2029
Zingos
Green Hornets 2028/2029
Baltimore Swarm
Kelly Post Green
LTLC
True Baltimore
Blue Claws Blue

2029 Elite
Madlax Capital
Team 91
Next Level
VLC See
Bethesda Blue
Annapolis Hawks
True Annapolis
LTLC

2029 AAA
Wolfpack
Baltimore Swarm
FCA
HoCo
Carroll Manor
Cannons Select
VLC
True KP

2029 AA
Koopers
Madlax DMV
Team Maryland
Predators
Sidewinders
HLC
Laytonsville Hippos

2029 A
Zingos
Rockfish
ALC Bay Raiders
VLC Poon
True Baltimore
Ville

2030 AAA
1 Madlax Capital
2 Next Level
3 FCA
4 True Annapolis
5 Annapolis Hawks
6 Bethesda Blue
7 LTLC
8 Team 91

2030 AA
Wolfpack
Kelly Post Grey
Baltimore Swarm
Blue Claws
Crabs
HoCo
True Severna Park
VLC Cleary/Kilgannon
Sidewinders

2030 A
Madlax DMV
Zingos
Cannons Select
ALC Bay Raiders
Kelly Post Green
Bethesda Orange
Arden Diamondbacks
Ville
BAYS River Dawgs
Team Maryland

2031 AAA
1 Madlax Capital
2 Next Level
3 Wolfpack Green
4 Crabs
5 Annapolis Hawks
6 Bethesda Blue
7 Green Hornets
8 VLC Freudiger

2031 AA
Kelly Post
LTLC
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True Annapolis 2031/2032
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2031 A
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HoCo 2031/2032
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Ville
Madlax DMV
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2032
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Crabs 2032
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Bethesda Blue 2032
LTLC 2032
Blue Claws 2032
Sidewinders 2032

Anyone hear about play in games for 2026 Elite?

Why would they have play in games? NL didn’t win one game last spring, why would they be in elite? Politics or money?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear about play in games for 2026 Elite?

Yes. Play in games will be Looneys vs Next Level and FCA vs Top Caliber. The winner of those games play each other and the final winner gets into elite. The other three teams play in AAAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they have play in games? NL didn’t win one game last spring, why would they be in elite? Politics or money?

Exactly - but that's who was initially kept in Elite. Zero wins and an atrocious -31 goal differential. Why? NL feeds a lot of teams into HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they have play in games? NL didn’t win one game last spring, why would they be in elite? Politics or money?

Exactly - but that's who was initially kept in Elite. Zero wins and an atrocious -31 goal differential. Why? NL feeds a lot of teams into HoCo.

Money Talks and Talent Walks in HOCO it appears. It will come down to Looney's and FCA and if I am not mistaken a few FCA kids went to Looney's so that would be an intriguing final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear about play in games for 2026 Elite?

Yes. Play in games will be Looneys vs Next Level and FCA vs Top Caliber. The winner of those games play each other and the final winner gets into elite. The other three teams play in AAAA.

FCA is going to dominate AAAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hear about play in games for 2026 Elite?

Yes. Play in games will be Looneys vs Next Level and FCA vs Top Caliber. The winner of those games play each other and the final winner gets into elite. The other three teams play in AAAA.

FCA is going to dominate AAAA

HOCO is making a mess of things. Sending teams that compete at Elite level down isn't fair to the kids in the AAAA group. Why not have two conferences in Elite and a playoff between the top two teams?

91 is the team that belongs in AAAA. Not Looneys or FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 is the team that belongs in AAAA. Not Looneys or FCA

looney's and FCA might have a chance at a championship run in AAA.

looney's and FCA might have a chance at a championship run in AAA.

If they can beat Breakers.

HoCo in AAAA? They went from AA to AAAA jumping an entire division of teams? I guess when you own the league….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo in AAAA? They went from AA to AAAA jumping an entire division of teams? I guess when you own the league….

I believe they beat most of the teams in this years AAA in the fall and beat a few of the teams in the AAAA as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo in AAAA? They went from AA to AAAA jumping an entire division of teams? I guess when you own the league….

You may want to look at who HOCO played and beat or tied this past fall.

AAAA is a made up division 🤣 Everyone is laughing at it and at GHCLC for creating it. Next year they will add AAAAA and repeat every year after that. Teams should earn a step up in division, not have an entirely new division created because club directors area on the Competition Committee. Teams that didn't win any games in league play should be stepped down. For 2026s it doesn't really matter, their high schools are already determined (private or public) and they just want to have some good competition to close out their years in the HoCo league. It's the parents who are complaining, promised and paying for an elite experience so to speak, when in fact that only comes in tournaments when they play against true elite teams.

Play in games over. Games start Saturday. No reason why the schedule can’t be released asap. All that needed to be done was plug in teams to the questionable spots. Get with it HoCo. It’s an embarrassment that the girls league can get their schedule put up a month in advance and you can’t do better than only releasing first game like you have done the past 4 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Play in games over. Games start Saturday. No reason why the schedule can’t be released asap. All that needed to be done was plug in teams to the questionable spots. Get with it HoCo. It’s an embarrassment that the girls league can get their schedule put up a month in advance and you can’t do better than only releasing first game like you have done the past 4 years.

Someone needs to put a tent over this carnival, GHCLC should be embarrassed. Completely unacceptable for a "Premier League".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Play in games over. Games start Saturday. No reason why the schedule can’t be released asap. All that needed to be done was plug in teams to the questionable spots. Get with it HoCo. It’s an embarrassment that the girls league can get their schedule put up a month in advance and you can’t do better than only releasing first game like you have done the past 4 years.

Someone needs to put a tent over this carnival, GHCLC should be embarrassed. Completely unacceptable for a "Premier League".

Schedule is out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Play in games over. Games start Saturday. No reason why the schedule can’t be released asap. All that needed to be done was plug in teams to the questionable spots. Get with it HoCo. It’s an embarrassment that the girls league can get their schedule put up a month in advance and you can’t do better than only releasing first game like you have done the past 4 years.

Someone needs to put a tent over this carnival, GHCLC should be embarrassed. Completely unacceptable for a "Premier League".

Schedule is out

If so please post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Play in games over. Games start Saturday. No reason why the schedule can’t be released asap. All that needed to be done was plug in teams to the questionable spots. Get with it HoCo. It’s an embarrassment that the girls league can get their schedule put up a month in advance and you can’t do better than only releasing first game like you have done the past 4 years.

Someone needs to put a tent over this carnival, GHCLC should be embarrassed. Completely unacceptable for a "Premier League".

Schedule is out

No. It’s not. Post the LINK

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Play in games over. Games start Saturday. No reason why the schedule can’t be released asap. All that needed to be done was plug in teams to the questionable spots. Get with it HoCo. It’s an embarrassment that the girls league can get their schedule put up a month in advance and you can’t do better than only releasing first game like you have done the past 4 years.

Someone needs to put a tent over this carnival, GHCLC should be embarrassed. Completely unacceptable for a "Premier League".

It’s a league run by county rec and parks. It’s not the NCAA.

Given that it’s probably the best run public league around.

No schedule on website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No schedule on website

There hasn’t been a schedule release before first game in 4 years. Quit thinking it will happen this year. Your teams will get their first game mid week and that’s it. Get it together HoCo.

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

Anyone thinks the lack of "B division" has to do with the kids' opinions (it doesn't) are the same maroons who think that kids want participation trophies (they don't).

I would put good money on the line that one or more politically involved club directors told HoCo that putting their youth teams at "B" would "destroy our brand" (aka reveal to parents/customers that their kids and our club that we aren't as good as we promised we could be). Adding "AAAA" is a business move by the league to satisfy THEIR customers (the clubs).

I got to see a few A games last year, and then followed the stats. The Baltimore Elite Team had something like a +100 point differential and Sidewinders had some combination of 28/29/30s and True Baltimore (acc to True parents I visited with) ran "informal" roster subs all season and still didn't win. Breakers had players on the field with FCA helmets.........I mean.......what in the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Everyone losing their mind on here about HOCO must be new. It's always been this way. Complaining on an anonymous message board will get you no where. Unless all the big club directors wanted to move to another county things will never change. My guess is the county rec and parks people are doing the best they can with the resources that they have, but as mentioned in numerous other posts there are other leagues out there of similar size that seem to be run much better proving that it's not an impossible task.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Everyone losing their mind on here about HOCO must be new. It's always been this way. Complaining on an anonymous message board will get you no where. Unless all the big club directors wanted to move to another county things will never change. My guess is the county rec and parks people are doing the best they can with the resources that they have, but as mentioned in numerous other posts there are other leagues out there of similar size that seem to be run much better proving that it's not an impossible task.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Everyone losing their mind on here about HOCO must be new. It's always been this way. Complaining on an anonymous message board will get you no where. Unless all the big club directors wanted to move to another county things will never change. My guess is the county rec and parks people are doing the best they can with the resources that they have, but as mentioned in numerous other posts there are other leagues out there of similar size that seem to be run much better proving that it's not an impossible task.

Where would you rate this park and rec with others? Is it Elite, A, AAAA+A, A Infinity, A Infinity times infinity. Triple AAA, Sextuplet A. AAA to the power of 4. What level would you put them in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Everyone losing their mind on here about HOCO must be new. It's always been this way. Complaining on an anonymous message board will get you no where. Unless all the big club directors wanted to move to another county things will never change. My guess is the county rec and parks people are doing the best they can with the resources that they have, but as mentioned in numerous other posts there are other leagues out there of similar size that seem to be run much better proving that it's not an impossible task.

Where would you rate this park and rec with others? Is it Elite, A, AAAA+A, A Infinity, A Infinity times infinity. Triple AAA, Sextuplet A. AAA to the power of 4. What level would you put them in?

No other Park & Rec department in the Mid-Atlantic has this density of relatively well kept lighted turf fields with stadium seating, for starters. These facilities were developed with the intent of at least paying for themselves by facility rentals (such as the HoCo league). There are certainly other county P&R departments doing a better job with soccer, baseball, or other sports leagues, but while I love to criticize the way HoCo is run, you would be hard pressed to find a better *government run* lax league from Miami to at least New Jersey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Everyone losing their mind on here about HOCO must be new. It's always been this way. Complaining on an anonymous message board will get you no where. Unless all the big club directors wanted to move to another county things will never change. My guess is the county rec and parks people are doing the best they can with the resources that they have, but as mentioned in numerous other posts there are other leagues out there of similar size that seem to be run much better proving that it's not an impossible task.

Where would you rate this park and rec with others? Is it Elite, A, AAAA+A, A Infinity, A Infinity times infinity. Triple AAA, Sextuplet A. AAA to the power of 4. What level would you put them in?

No other Park & Rec department in the Mid-Atlantic has this density of relatively well kept lighted turf fields with stadium seating, for starters. These facilities were developed with the intent of at least paying for themselves by facility rentals (such as the HoCo league). There are certainly other county P&R departments doing a better job with soccer, baseball, or other sports leagues, but while I love to criticize the way HoCo is run, you would be hard pressed to find a better *government run* lax league from Miami to at least New Jersey.

Agree. Howard County has an embarrassment of riches as far as sports facilities. I live in Baltimore County which cannot compare at all. Also, to those complaining that the schedule is not out yet - is this your first year with a kid in the HoCo League? I've had sons playing in the league since 2015 (I coached a team in HoCo for 5 years) and never did the schedule come out more than a day or two before the first games. And as an earlier poster noted, a lot of times you only got the first game or two initially with the full schedule coming out a week or two after the season started. This is just business as usual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Everyone losing their mind on here about HOCO must be new. It's always been this way. Complaining on an anonymous message board will get you no where. Unless all the big club directors wanted to move to another county things will never change. My guess is the county rec and parks people are doing the best they can with the resources that they have, but as mentioned in numerous other posts there are other leagues out there of similar size that seem to be run much better proving that it's not an impossible task.

Where would you rate this park and rec with others? Is it Elite, A, AAAA+A, A Infinity, A Infinity times infinity. Triple AAA, Sextuplet A. AAA to the power of 4. What level would you put them in?

No other Park & Rec department in the Mid-Atlantic has this density of relatively well kept lighted turf fields with stadium seating, for starters. These facilities were developed with the intent of at least paying for themselves by facility rentals (such as the HoCo league). There are certainly other county P&R departments doing a better job with soccer, baseball, or other sports leagues, but while I love to criticize the way HoCo is run, you would be hard pressed to find a better *government run* lax league from Miami to at least New Jersey.

Agree. Howard County has an embarrassment of riches as far as sports facilities. I live in Baltimore County which cannot compare at all. Also, to those complaining that the schedule is not out yet - is this your first year with a kid in the HoCo League? I've had sons playing in the league since 2015 (I coached a team in HoCo for 5 years) and never did the schedule come out more than a day or two before the first games. And as an earlier poster noted, a lot of times you only got the first game or two initially with the full schedule coming out a week or two after the season started. This is just business as usual.

Just got the info for the first game from our coach, so you should have it soon.

Week 1 schedule is out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

adding AAAA was super notIntelligent its just because ever sense the start of club lacrosse or even hoco adding a B division has been forbidden because they don't want kids ti feel bad think of it this way A is B level and AA is the old A or even AAA But single A is really really bad these years

NGLL has run one A and one B division at each grad year with no issues for the past 8 years with just as many teams if not more involved. The fact that HoCo can’t figure it out points to the egos of the coaches/parents involved. Elite, AAAA, AAA, AA, A, B is the most ludicrous and embarrassing set up for what is supposed to be the “best” league. And still no schedule 4 days before first games.

Everyone losing their mind on here about HOCO must be new. It's always been this way. Complaining on an anonymous message board will get you no where. Unless all the big club directors wanted to move to another county things will never change. My guess is the county rec and parks people are doing the best they can with the resources that they have, but as mentioned in numerous other posts there are other leagues out there of similar size that seem to be run much better proving that it's not an impossible task.

Where would you rate this park and rec with others? Is it Elite, A, AAAA+A, A Infinity, A Infinity times infinity. Triple AAA, Sextuplet A. AAA to the power of 4. What level would you put them in?

No other Park & Rec department in the Mid-Atlantic has this density of relatively well kept lighted turf fields with stadium seating, for starters. These facilities were developed with the intent of at least paying for themselves by facility rentals (such as the HoCo league). There are certainly other county P&R departments doing a better job with soccer, baseball, or other sports leagues, but while I love to criticize the way HoCo is run, you would be hard pressed to find a better *government run* lax league from Miami to at least New Jersey.

Agree. Howard County has an embarrassment of riches as far as sports facilities. I live in Baltimore County which cannot compare at all. Also, to those complaining that the schedule is not out yet - is this your first year with a kid in the HoCo League? I've had sons playing in the league since 2015 (I coached a team in HoCo for 5 years) and never did the schedule come out more than a day or two before the first games. And as an earlier poster noted, a lot of times you only got the first game or two initially with the full schedule coming out a week or two after the season started. This is just business as usual.

TLDR. Where do we rank them. AAA + pi

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alabama boy did play hs lax this spring.

Crabs and Looneys can make a formal complaint against FCA for breaking the rules of 1) players not following normal progression 2) adding to their roster and 3) having a high school player.

Looneys and FCA can make a formal complaint against crabs for using mostly holdbacks on an 8th grade team.

FCA and crabs can formally complain against loooneys for using an illegal high school player.

May the biggest cheater win! What a sad state of affairs - thank you Hoco for bringing youth lacrosse to this new level of champions while the true champions of the sport -the kids that follow rules- get subjected to the nonsense every week. These are 13/14 year old KIDS that you are complacent about.

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GHCLC Spectators

The Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference (GHCLC) would like to remind all spectators to reinforce positive values through the sport of lacrosse. The first half of the season has witnessed some unacceptable behavior from spectators. This behavior is starting to leak on to the field and affect the kids ability to play, the coaches ability to coach, and the officials ability to officiate games properly in a safe environment.

On behalf of the GHCLC, I ask that all spectators refrain from any foul language, harassment of player/coach/officials and reinforce positivity as a spectator. Furthermore, spectators are NOT permitted to sit, stand or otherwise be behind player bench side. All spectators must be on the opposite side of player benches. Violation of outlined requirements could result in game forfeitures and suspensions.

As stated in the GHCLC Bylaws (https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules), spectators who are ejected from games will serve a one (1) game suspension (not including the game which he/she was ejected). The ejection will be submitted to the League Commissioner for review. Those involved could face harsher penalties (forfeits, multigame game suspensions, etc) should the Commissioner and Rule’s Committee deem necessary.

Thank you for your compliance,

Ricky DuBois

League Commissioner

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GHCLC Spectators

The Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference (GHCLC) would like to remind all spectators to reinforce positive values through the sport of lacrosse. The first half of the season has witnessed some unacceptable behavior from spectators. This behavior is starting to leak on to the field and affect the kids ability to play, the coaches ability to coach, and the officials ability to officiate games properly in a safe environment.

On behalf of the GHCLC, I ask that all spectators refrain from any foul language, harassment of player/coach/officials and reinforce positivity as a spectator. Furthermore, spectators are NOT permitted to sit, stand or otherwise be behind player bench side. All spectators must be on the opposite side of player benches. Violation of outlined requirements could result in game forfeitures and suspensions.

As stated in the GHCLC Bylaws (https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules), spectators who are ejected from games will serve a one (1) game suspension (not including the game which he/she was ejected). The ejection will be submitted to the League Commissioner for review. Those involved could face harsher penalties (forfeits, multigame game suspensions, etc) should the Commissioner and Rule’s Committee deem necessary.

Thank you for your compliance,

Ricky DuBois

League Commissioner

Dear HOCO League Commissioner,

Here is what your customers (the parents who pay the club dues that pay for the HOCO league fees) would like from you:

Referees:

Who are fit enough to move up and down the field, put themselves in position to make calls, and actually see the game as more than a uniformed spectator who stands and watches.

Who understand the rules of lacrosse, and fairly apply said rules.

Who keep the safety of players as their primary concern.

We (the customers) would like you to get rid of:

Physically unqualified referees (those who cannot or will not move up and down the field with the players).

Referees who clearly do not know and/or understand the rules of the game.

Referees who penalize teams by unfair application of their power, for example: ignoring infractions, capricious penalty calls, ignoring a coach’s request for explanation of a call, ignoring a team’s time out request when legally entitled to one.

Referees who clearly see a player get slashed, cross-checked, or speared with an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit and ignore the infraction.

Anyone other than the most casual observer of youth sports sees the problem with fans vocally criticizing referees. Perhaps some time spent thinking about why this behavior is on the rise would lead one to consider that poor officiating (see above) is one possible root cause that ought to be considered.

Thank you.

A concerned parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GHCLC Spectators

The Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference (GHCLC) would like to remind all spectators to reinforce positive values through the sport of lacrosse. The first half of the season has witnessed some unacceptable behavior from spectators. This behavior is starting to leak on to the field and affect the kids ability to play, the coaches ability to coach, and the officials ability to officiate games properly in a safe environment.

On behalf of the GHCLC, I ask that all spectators refrain from any foul language, harassment of player/coach/officials and reinforce positivity as a spectator. Furthermore, spectators are NOT permitted to sit, stand or otherwise be behind player bench side. All spectators must be on the opposite side of player benches. Violation of outlined requirements could result in game forfeitures and suspensions.

As stated in the GHCLC Bylaws (https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules), spectators who are ejected from games will serve a one (1) game suspension (not including the game which he/she was ejected). The ejection will be submitted to the League Commissioner for review. Those involved could face harsher penalties (forfeits, multigame game suspensions, etc) should the Commissioner and Rule’s Committee deem necessary.

Thank you for your compliance,

Ricky DuBois

League Commissioner

Dear HOCO League Commissioner,

Here is what your customers (the parents who pay the club dues that pay for the HOCO league fees) would like from you:

Referees:

Who are fit enough to move up and down the field, put themselves in position to make calls, and actually see the game as more than a uniformed spectator who stands and watches.

Who understand the rules of lacrosse, and fairly apply said rules.

Who keep the safety of players as their primary concern.

We (the customers) would like you to get rid of:

Physically unqualified referees (those who cannot or will not move up and down the field with the players).

Referees who clearly do not know and/or understand the rules of the game.

Referees who penalize teams by unfair application of their power, for example: ignoring infractions, capricious penalty calls, ignoring a coach’s request for explanation of a call, ignoring a team’s time out request when legally entitled to one.

Referees who clearly see a player get slashed, cross-checked, or speared with an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit and ignore the infraction.

Anyone other than the most casual observer of youth sports sees the problem with fans vocally criticizing referees. Perhaps some time spent thinking about why this behavior is on the rise would lead one to consider that poor officiating (see above) is one possible root cause that ought to be considered.

Thank you.

A concerned parent

If you want NCAA level officials you need to pony up more money. You are getting youth and high school refs that are "learning" . Just like these boys are still learning how to play lacrosse. Many refs have quit and they cant get enough people to do the job. Wonder why? Parents who act like lunatics and scream and complain all the time. I'msure they would love to have to wear the stripes. Sign up sounds like you know it all

This is an excellent post. The referee’s are terrible in HoCo. One had to be removed because he stunk of alcohol. The commissioner needs to worry more about the quality of refereeing. If the commissioner is still the same one it will never change. He himself referees and doesn’t know the rules. Is there still the weasel ref with the lisp still being allowed to ref. He walks in the field with an attitude that most always ends in ridiculous penalties for no reason other then he’s not a nice human.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GHCLC Spectators

The Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference (GHCLC) would like to remind all spectators to reinforce positive values through the sport of lacrosse. The first half of the season has witnessed some unacceptable behavior from spectators. This behavior is starting to leak on to the field and affect the kids ability to play, the coaches ability to coach, and the officials ability to officiate games properly in a safe environment.

On behalf of the GHCLC, I ask that all spectators refrain from any foul language, harassment of player/coach/officials and reinforce positivity as a spectator. Furthermore, spectators are NOT permitted to sit, stand or otherwise be behind player bench side. All spectators must be on the opposite side of player benches. Violation of outlined requirements could result in game forfeitures and suspensions.

As stated in the GHCLC Bylaws (https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules), spectators who are ejected from games will serve a one (1) game suspension (not including the game which he/she was ejected). The ejection will be submitted to the League Commissioner for review. Those involved could face harsher penalties (forfeits, multigame game suspensions, etc) should the Commissioner and Rule’s Committee deem necessary.

Thank you for your compliance,

Ricky DuBois

League Commissioner

Dear HOCO League Commissioner,

Here is what your customers (the parents who pay the club dues that pay for the HOCO league fees) would like from you:

Referees:

Who are fit enough to move up and down the field, put themselves in position to make calls, and actually see the game as more than a uniformed spectator who stands and watches.

Who understand the rules of lacrosse, and fairly apply said rules.

Who keep the safety of players as their primary concern.

We (the customers) would like you to get rid of:

Physically unqualified referees (those who cannot or will not move up and down the field with the players).

Referees who clearly do not know and/or understand the rules of the game.

Referees who penalize teams by unfair application of their power, for example: ignoring infractions, capricious penalty calls, ignoring a coach’s request for explanation of a call, ignoring a team’s time out request when legally entitled to one.

Referees who clearly see a player get slashed, cross-checked, or speared with an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit and ignore the infraction.

Anyone other than the most casual observer of youth sports sees the problem with fans vocally criticizing referees. Perhaps some time spent thinking about why this behavior is on the rise would lead one to consider that poor officiating (see above) is one possible root cause that ought to be considered.

Thank you.

A concerned parent

If you want NCAA level officials you need to pony up more money. You are getting youth and high school refs that are "learning" . Just like these boys are still learning how to play lacrosse. Many refs have quit and they cant get enough people to do the job. Wonder why? Parents who act like lunatics and scream and complain all the time. I'm sure they would love to have to wear the stripes. Sign up sounds like you know it all

HoCo takes in $2200 per team for the eight-week season. Just looking at the 2026 age group, there are 47 teams playing this year. That's $103,400 for just one age group. There are six more.

That breaks down to $275 per team, per game, or $550 per game gross income. Let's say the referees make $75 per game (that is a ballpark estimate, it is roughly what MIAA refs get paid per game). That's $400 left over. Not sure what field rental costs are allocated from that amount, but it ain't much since HoCO Rec owns the real estate.

I think there is enough money to pay for better refs.

Shouldn't we expect better quality officiating? Don't the athletes deserve it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is an excellent post. The referee’s are terrible in HoCo. One had to be removed because he stunk of alcohol. The commissioner needs to worry more about the quality of refereeing. If the commissioner is still the same one it will never change. He himself referees and doesn’t know the rules. Is there still the weasel ref with the lisp still being allowed to ref. He walks in the field with an attitude that most always ends in ridiculous penalties for no reason other then he’s not a nice human.

100%. Today I saw two refs responding to fans. I mean, if you’re a good ref, you don’t even listen to that garbage from the bleachers. Call the game. If you’re really that sensitive, you likely didn’t play a sport — certainly not at a high level— and this is your big opportunity to have an impact. BAD scenario.

Maybe better employees to run the game clock and shot clock. The guy running that on Sunday was a joke.

Guys. Get a grip. It’s middle school lacrosse. You thinking your kids deserve better refs is everything that’s wrong with parenting. They’re going to make bad calls. It’s part of sports. So crazy. Yes, your 5th grader deserves college level refs. 🤦‍♂️Wake up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is an excellent post. The referee’s are terrible in HoCo. One had to be removed because he stunk of alcohol. The commissioner needs to worry more about the quality of refereeing. If the commissioner is still the same one it will never change. He himself referees and doesn’t know the rules. Is there still the weasel ref with the lisp still being allowed to ref. He walks in the field with an attitude that most always ends in ridiculous penalties for no reason other then he’s not a nice human.

100%. Today I saw two refs responding to fans. I mean, if you’re a good ref, you don’t even listen to that garbage from the bleachers. Call the game. If you’re really that sensitive, you likely didn’t play a sport — certainly not at a high level— and this is your big opportunity to have an impact. BAD scenario.

You all need to wake up to the reality of the situation. It’s not just lacrosse, the same email has been sent to parents of all youth sports. No amount of money will entice people to put up with the nonsense from all of the entitled parents who are screaming at them over a youth sports game. Here’s an idea, recognize that the refs are generally retired and doing this for some extra cash. They are human beings. If they miss a call of two relax, it won’t make a difference to the future D1 scholarships you have dancing in your heads.

I personally don’t understand why referees don’t give out more penalties to benches for parent behavior. If the officials did more of that, I guarantee you it will shut the parents up. Officials need to start penalizing benches for parent behavior. Watch how quickly things change.

There was no one monitoring the Troy Park parking lot to keep people from sitting behind the players and coaches. They paid a kid on Saturday to run the scoreboard and clock. He was watching a movie on his phone with ear buds in the whole time

HOCO parents have always been obnoxious at every level. I'm surprised and ref shows up to their games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I personally don’t understand why referees don’t give out more penalties to benches for parent behavior. If the officials did more of that, I guarantee you it will shut the parents up. Officials need to start penalizing benches for parent behavior. Watch how quickly things change.

Folks thisnis SPORTS. Not a CRT classroom. I’m sports, particularly when Refs insert themselves into the outcome of the game, fans are vocal on plays. I don’t agree with fans / parents being stunads, but come on….

If you all can't tolerate the HoCo refs, enjoy your summer tournament season! They hand out a whistle and a one page rule sheet, tell you where to get lunch and where to get paid at the end of the day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you all can't tolerate the HoCo refs, enjoy your summer tournament season! They hand out a whistle and a one page rule sheet, tell you where to get lunch and where to get paid at the end of the day.

Perfect, the HoCo refs can head back to Foot Locker and enjoy the AC.

The hoco refs are generally new refs. Many haven’t learned that they shouldn’t be big part of the game. The best refs communicate with coaches and explain the call and are
Accountable.
“It looked up high to me, Coach.”
“I didn’t see that coach, I’ll look for it.”
The problem is when they blow critical calls and effect the outcome of the game. Then they will compound the issue by doubling down with no explanation or communication and give a bench penalty or throw out a coach who asks for an explanation. Asking for an explanation from a coach or hearing that your call stinks from the fans is part of being a ref. Blow the whistle, communicate, be accountable, and move on. Getting your ego hurt and taking it out on a team because someone questioned your call is bad refereeing.

I would love to see a nationwide strike by lacrosse referees for one weekend in the spring or summer. You all would sing a different tune.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you all can't tolerate the HoCo refs, enjoy your summer tournament season! They hand out a whistle and a one page rule sheet, tell you where to get lunch and where to get paid at the end of the day.

Perfect, the HoCo refs can head back to Foot Locker and enjoy the AC.

Ok now THAT is funny stuff.

Good post!

Refs should be non-biased in making calls…they unfortunately are becoming hing points in games and making calls of retaliation against teams (not every one of them but it’s happening). That’s not their role. Coaches and refs should have a line of communication…this will get hot from time to time and that can be sorted out between teams and refs. Unfortunately, some parents (who probably don’t have a great handle on the game in general terms) get emotional and can be gasoline on a fire making things way worse and ruin it for everyone. The spectators have no line of communication with the refs, nor should they. Watch and learn the game, cheer your kids on positively, stop yelling at the refs, and let the coaches and refs sort out the issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would love to see a nationwide strike by lacrosse referees for one weekend in the spring or summer. You all would sing a different tune.

Yeah, that's the solution to poor officiating. Tell the refs to go on strike and don't come back until the people who pay them are willing to accept mediocre performance.

That's show 'em!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would love to see a nationwide strike by lacrosse referees for one weekend in the spring or summer. You all would sing a different tune.

Yeah, that's the solution to poor officiating. Tell the refs to go on strike and don't come back until the people who pay them are willing to accept mediocre performance.

That's show 'em!

Yes, it would show them, because it would make them choose between playing games with inconsistent, mediocre officiating, or not playing at all. Which would you prefer smart guy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would love to see a nationwide strike by lacrosse referees for one weekend in the spring or summer. You all would sing a different tune.

Yeah, that's the solution to poor officiating. Tell the refs to go on strike and don't come back until the people who pay them are willing to accept mediocre performance.

That's show 'em!

Yes, it would show them, because it would make them choose between playing games with inconsistent, mediocre officiating, or not playing at all. Which would you prefer smart guy?

Let me help you out "smart guy" - it was satire. The previous post advocated having the refs go out on strike. I was making a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO parents have always been obnoxious at every level. I'm surprised and ref shows up to their games.

If you think HoCo parents are obnoxious, wait 'til you get a load of the TX, GA and FL parents who have no concept of the basic rules of the game and just like being loud because their son Billy Bob Jr is the biggest kid on the field, who specializes in cross checks to the neck.

But your point stands. Only seen one openly drunk and belligerent parent at a HoCo game so far this year. Nothing like being too drunk to drive and starting fights at youth lax at 100pm on a Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO parents have always been obnoxious at every level. I'm surprised and ref shows up to their games.

If you think HoCo parents are obnoxious, wait 'til you get a load of the TX, GA and FL parents who have no concept of the basic rules of the game and just like being loud because their son Billy Bob Jr is the biggest kid on the field, who specializes in cross checks to the neck.

But your point stands. Only seen one openly drunk and belligerent parent at a HoCo game so far this year. Nothing like being too drunk to drive and starting fights at youth lax at 100pm on a Sunday.

Same could be said for Zingos parents. Absolute worst. Solo cups get tippin' at 8 am.

The refs are the refs. I don’t expect them to get all the subjective calls right - it’s a hard job.

But the general unawareness of the rule book by the refs is silly. Like it’s not that long of a rule sheet to learn guys.

That said the clock operation has been a low point. Multiple fields, multiple weeks plagued with sleepy teenagers asleep at the wheel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you all can't tolerate the HoCo refs, enjoy your summer tournament season! They hand out a whistle and a one page rule sheet, tell you where to get lunch and where to get paid at the end of the day.

Perfect, the HoCo refs can head back to Foot Locker and enjoy the AC.

Better yet, hold them back a year , We need holdbacks at the ref level, it works for youth lacrosse, why not refs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The refs are the refs. I don’t expect them to get all the subjective calls right - it’s a hard job.

But the general unawareness of the rule book by the refs is silly. Like it’s not that long of a rule sheet to learn guys.

That said the clock operation has been a low point. Multiple fields, multiple weeks plagued with sleepy teenagers asleep at the wheel.

Agreed, and the league is a huge cash cow for HoCo Parks and Rec. Crappy time keeping, refs who don't know the rules.

Maybe spend some of that over half a million in annual league revenue on some refs and timekeepers who care enough to prepare and pay attention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I personally don’t understand why referees don’t give out more penalties to benches for parent behavior. If the officials did more of that, I guarantee you it will shut the parents up. Officials need to start penalizing benches for parent behavior. Watch how quickly things change.

Folks thisnis SPORTS. Not a CRT classroom. I’m sports, particularly when Refs insert themselves into the outcome of the game, fans are vocal on plays. I don’t agree with fans / parents being stunads, but come on….

Yup. Once a ref starts engaging with hostile fans/parents, he's already lost.

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Best youth league in the country and the best refs in the country. Refs are not perfect, either are coaches and players. All you dimwits that that think reffing is so easy ask for my info and you can join us. Instead of being that “dad” who thinks he knows the rules but actually doesn’t it would be good for you. Also the money is great .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I personally don’t understand why referees don’t give out more penalties to benches for parent behavior. If the officials did more of that, I guarantee you it will shut the parents up. Officials need to start penalizing benches for parent behavior. Watch how quickly things change.

Folks thisnis SPORTS. Not a CRT classroom. I’m sports, particularly when Refs insert themselves into the outcome of the game, fans are vocal on plays. I don’t agree with fans / parents being stunads, but come on….

Yup. Once a ref starts engaging with hostile fans/parents, he's already lost.

Refs don’t need to engage with parents to do that.

Hit the team with the penalty. If the coaches don’t like the penalty, they can address it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best youth league in the country and the best refs in the country. Refs are not perfect, either are coaches and players. All you dimwits that that think reffing is so easy ask for my info and you can join us. Instead of being that “dad” who thinks he knows the rules but actually doesn’t it would be good for you. Also the money is great .

+100

None of these venom spewers would last a minute as a ref.

It really is good money. You’re not gonna find a better hourly rate for a part-time, side-hustle. Double bonus if you live in HoCo or near any of the big facilities that hosts tournaments during the summer.

Was at a game last weekend at Troy Park. A 2031 championship game. 10 seconds into the first quarter, a dad starts yelling at the ref. Ref blew the whistle, turned to the stands and announced the next person to yell at the officials will be ejected. Never heard a peep other than cheering for the rest of the game, which was won by 1 goal so there was plenty of opportunity for parents to be yelling. Keep it up refs! Keep calling out the parents! It’s working. They are shutting up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was at a game last weekend at Troy Park. A 2031 championship game. 10 seconds into the first quarter, a dad starts yelling at the ref. Ref blew the whistle, turned to the stands and announced the next person to yell at the officials will be ejected. Never heard a peep other than cheering for the rest of the game, which was won by 1 goal so there was plenty of opportunity for parents to be yelling. Keep it up refs! Keep calling out the parents! It’s working. They are shutting up.

Awesome. Glad to her it.
Most refs understand that the coaches will get heated and it's not personal. That can usually be solved with some communication. But the blatant abuse and questioning of the refs by fans is unecessary.
Ref needs to warn the stands, then toss the offending parent. If it continues, penalize the affiliated team.

The tall guy who ref’ed the 28 elite championship should not be allowed on the field anymore. He was the most belligerent, combative and disrespectful official I’ve ever seen.

Most ref’s are fine overall. It’s youth lacrosse. But this guy is in a league of his own.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

I personally don’t understand why referees don’t give out more penalties to benches for parent behavior. If the officials did more of that, I guarantee you it will shut the parents up. Officials need to start penalizing benches for parent behavior. Watch how quickly things change.

Folks thisnis SPORTS. Not a CRT classroom. I’m sports, particularly when Refs insert themselves into the outcome of the game, fans are vocal on plays. I don’t agree with fans / parents being stunads, but come on….

I am not sure how they are going to prove what team the parent is on. In this case I will go to the teams I don't like and act like an butt on the sidelines so said team gets penalties. Doesn't sound like a good rule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I personally don’t understand why referees don’t give out more penalties to benches for parent behavior. If the officials did more of that, I guarantee you it will shut the parents up. Officials need to start penalizing benches for parent behavior. Watch how quickly things change.

Folks thisnis SPORTS. Not a CRT classroom. I’m sports, particularly when Refs insert themselves into the outcome of the game, fans are vocal on plays. I don’t agree with fans / parents being stunads, but come on….

I am not sure how they are going to prove what team the parent is on. In this case I will go to the teams I don't like and act like an butt on the sidelines so said team gets penalties. Doesn't sound like a good rule.

Actually a rule like this would work pretty well, because it incentivizes and justifies the parents to police themselves. A fake parent pretending to be a butt will be obvious to the real parents of the team he is "supporting" and they would ask him with before the officials got involved. But when real parents are acting that way, a rule like this gives the perfect cover for parents to rein them in, as in "c'mon, we don't need another ridiculous penalty like the one we got last week."

2022 Results:
2026: Crabs over DC Express 14-8
2027: Hawks over Next Level 10-6
2028: Next Level over FCA
2029: Madlax over Hawks 8-4
2030: BLC-DC Express over Madlax 7-5
2031: Madlax over Wolfpack 11-7

DC Teams very well represented.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Results:
2026: Crabs over DC Express 14-8
2027: Hawks over Next Level 10-6
2028: Next Level over FCA
2029: Madlax over Hawks 8-4
2030: BLC-DC Express over Madlax 7-5
2031: Madlax over Wolfpack 11-7

DC Teams very well represented.

2032: Hawks over Blue Claws 6-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Results:
2026: Crabs over DC Express 14-8
2027: Hawks over Next Level 10-6
2028: Next Level over FCA
2029: Madlax over Hawks 8-4
2030: BLC-DC Express over Madlax 7-5
2031: Madlax over Wolfpack 11-7

DC Teams very well represented.

Agree,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 Results:
2026: Crabs over DC Express 14-8
2027: Hawks over Next Level 10-6
2028: Next Level over FCA
2029: Madlax over Hawks 8-4
2030: BLC-DC Express over Madlax 7-5
2031: Madlax over Wolfpack 11-7

DC Teams very well represented.

2032: Hawks over Blue Claws 6-3

2nd graders cmon, man

Let the coaches engage with the refs as much as they want. Refs need to toughen up. The best refs love to jaw with the coaches and the players.

Any announcements on the division alignments for this season yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any announcements on the division alignments for this season yet?

LOL. It's the HOCO league. Come back the week before the season starts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any announcements on the division alignments for this season yet?

LOL. It's the HOCO league. Come back the week before the season starts.

Unfortunately this is accurate.

Every. Single. Year.

According to the "GHCLC Important Dates" document -

"Division Alignment ▪ Will take place during month of February o Schedule Release ▪ League Schedule Release Tentative Date: Wednesday, March 1st"

I don't get why they would make those claims when they know there is no way they are releasing any sort of schedule (partial or full) before March 18th. This is our sixth season and it has always been like this. We have come to expect it by now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

According to the "GHCLC Important Dates" document -

"Division Alignment ▪ Will take place during month of February o Schedule Release ▪ League Schedule Release Tentative Date: Wednesday, March 1st"

I don't get why they would make those claims when they know there is no way they are releasing any sort of schedule (partial or full) before March 18th. This is our sixth season and it has always been like this. We have come to expect it by now.

Initial alignments have been out for a couple weeks.
Maybe HoCo is trying to get things out on time this year?

Hahahahaha. Not a chance. Same brilliant brains in charge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahahahaha. Not a chance. Same brilliant brains in charge.

I'm one to pounce on the ineptitude of government AND I detest the last minute schedule with the HoCo league.

That said, let's remember that this a government run league that is hands down the best BOYS club league in the country, from the facilities to the (overall) bracketing of competition tiers. Yes there are some well run box lax leagues too.

Some easy things they could fix:
1) Fix the archaic roster challenge policy. No problem with the $50 fee, and in fact, just make it $100, digital payment instead of cash, and have an outside referee contractor handle it instead of putting a 48 hour limit on challenges, in person, at HoCo, when in fact the actual HoCo rep may be on vacation that week (which has happened).

2) Go ahead and schedule the dang playoff games so everyone can put them on our calendars instead of "Oh yeah, playoff game 800pm tomorrow, hope the entire roster is free on a friday night."

They should hire moms to run the league. The schedule would be out well in advance.

The real reason schedules are delivered at the last minute for the season is to eliminate the gamesmanship all of these coaches try in terms of ducking certain squads or targeting others to avoid Ls or pick up easy Ws.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The real reason schedules are delivered at the last minute for the season is to eliminate the gamesmanship all of these coaches try in terms of ducking certain squads or targeting others to avoid Ls or pick up easy Ws.

If you receive more than your first game a week before the season starts, it will be the first time in 10 years that has happened. It's because coaches are given a prelim schedule, they complain for changes, which upends everything and causes a delayed release. Was a coach for many years. Happens year after year. Some coaches are never happy with the first schedule they are given and argue for changes, and the league folds to angry coaches instead of standing their ground.

The coaches and clubs are the reason things come out so late. From being insulted at not being Elite, or saying we are terrible and should be in the lowest bracket (just to sandbag wins) there is a lot going on.

Lots of complaints about brackets, asks for special accommodations on certain weekends, refusal to play certain teams week 1 yadda yadda.

It’s a lot. And overall they do a better job than anyone else.

Girls NGLL league schedule was released today. Three times as many teams to organize and they get it out a month ahead of time. Let’s go HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls NGLL league schedule was released today. Three times as many teams to organize and they get it out a month ahead of time. Let’s go HoCo.

Actually been out for about a week, but some things have been tweaked (haven't looked close enough to know what exactly).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls NGLL league schedule was released today. Three times as many teams to organize and they get it out a month ahead of time. Let’s go HoCo.

Actually been out for about a week, but some things have been tweaked (haven't looked close enough to know what exactly).

Two tournaments next weekend should move a few teams around depending on the outcomes.

Congrats to HOCO for getting out the full schedule before the first game has been played.

Not quite. Still letting teams make their own bye weeks and delaying complete schedules for everyone else.

Anyone know what organization is used to supply referees to HoCo?

why would you want to know that

why would you want to know that?... here we go little johnnie lost because of the refs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why would you want to know that?... here we go little johnnie lost because of the refs

Maybe he wants to be a ref.

Southern Lacrosse Officials Association. They also do local college and MIAA games.

Ok let me guess - Are you the madlax Dad that ran out on the field to yell at the refs and then with a few other dads followed the refs out into the parking lot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok let me guess - Are you the madlax Dad that ran out on the field to yell at the refs and then with a few other dads followed the refs out into the parking lot?

Today?

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Wait, let me grab some popcorn before you start the story!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Do tell- That’s too juicy a comment not to give some payoff!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Do tell- That’s too juicy a comment not to give some payoff!

Isn’t this type of behavior what we have grown to expect from ML dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Imagine spending years and years arguing for playing time for your little student only to get him suspended for two games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Imagine spending years and years arguing for playing time for your little student only to get him suspended for two games.

Suspended for what?

It is not fair to keep us hanging.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Imagine spending years and years arguing for playing time for your little student only to get him suspended for two games.

Suspended for what?

Madlax didn’t even play a game yesterday. with you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 27 aa ML vs preds game - a fantastic display of parenting.

Imagine spending years and years arguing for playing time for your little student only to get him suspended for two games.

Suspended for what?

Madlax didn’t even play a game yesterday. with you talking about?

27 DMV game

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Father of the year! Also not surprised was a ML dad. They are special

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Why? What made a parent angry enough to storm the field twice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Father of the year! Also not surprised was a ML dad. They are special

Surprised we haven't seen an email from the league. Hope the mom has defensive skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Why? What made a parent angry enough to storm the field twice?

Didn’t like Junior getting flagged for a retaliation penalty. Fun family, kid will do well in life with such a positive male role model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Why? What made a parent angry enough to storm the field twice?

Didn’t like Junior getting flagged for a retaliation penalty. Fun family, kid will do well in life with such a positive male role model.

This is the second meeting between these two and the second lopsided win for the Preds.

Mistake #1- Trying to take down America's Team.

In case you forgot- Preds on top!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Why? What made a parent angry enough to storm the field twice?

Didn’t like Junior getting flagged for a retaliation penalty. Fun family, kid will do well in life with such a positive male role model.

The Dad actually went onto the field to argue a call?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Why? What made a parent angry enough to storm the field twice?

Didn’t like Junior getting flagged for a retaliation penalty. Fun family, kid will do well in life with such a positive male role model.

The Dad actually went onto the field to argue a call?

Aggressively! Was apparently thrown out but eventually they had to restart the clock waiting for him to stop embarrassing himself and make his exit.
No embarrassment for this guy tho. Came right back after game ended. That’s when they suspended his kid for two games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Why? What made a parent angry enough to storm the field twice?

Didn’t like Junior getting flagged for a retaliation penalty. Fun family, kid will do well in life with such a positive male role model.

The Dad actually went onto the field to argue a call?

Aggressively! Was apparently thrown out but eventually they had to restart the clock waiting for him to stop embarrassing himself and make his exit.
No embarrassment for this guy tho. Came right back after game ended. That’s when they suspended his kid for two games.

Enjoy public school. NO private school wants that kind of parent on their sideline

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, MadLax did play. Its 2027 DMV team (B team) played Predators and lost 5-8.
It sounds like maybe a ML player did something that earned a two game suspension and his Dad confronted the ref in the parking lot?
Perhaps someone can confirm or deny and provide details?

Pretty much that in a different order. Kid suspended BECAUSE ML Dad came at refs on the field during and after game.

Why? What made a parent angry enough to storm the field twice?

Didn’t like Junior getting flagged for a retaliation penalty. Fun family, kid will do well in life with such a positive male role model.

The Dad actually went onto the field to argue a call?

Aggressively! Was apparently thrown out but eventually they had to restart the clock waiting for him to stop embarrassing himself and make his exit.
No embarrassment for this guy tho. Came right back after game ended. That’s when they suspended his kid for two games.

Enjoy public school. NO private school wants that kind of parent on their sideline

No school, public or private, WANTS a parent like that on the sideline. But all schools have them unfortunately.

Open letter to the parent who was ejected from the 2033 stands today, Mothers Day, for not shutting his mouth toward the official,

Your son is in the 2nd grade. You embarrassed yourself, your son’s coaches(who had to walk across the field to get you to listen to the officials when they asked you to leave the field), and the parents sitting around you. Most importantly, you embarrassed your son. What a fine example of control you showed today because you didn’t like the calls IN A 2ND GRADE GAME. You may think it’s no big deal, but I can promise you your son will never forget it. He has many years ahead of him in club lacrosse. Your behavior at this age is a concern. You will only get worse as your son gets older, and in the end, it’s going to hurt him the most. Get a grip now, for his sake.

Signed,
Someone who was embarrassed for your family.

Is Howard county league adopting the age rules?

If they were smart, they should rule on this now, before summer tryouts.

It’s not their league. The teams make the rules.

So CLASS BASED AGAIN.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Howard county league adopting the age rules?

If they were smart, they should rule on this now, before summer tryouts.

It will be age based.

When are try outs. And if it’s age what age range.

Tryouts are in July mostly.
Age chart posted on USLacrose website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When are try outs. And if it’s age what age range.

You’ll have to ask your club those questions.

The teams might agree to have an age based division starting with the very youngest division next near. The B teams of all the clubs are essentially age-based anyway so maybe a few brave clubs will have one class based team and another age based.

It says on Howard website it’s class

Does anyone know if HOCO is going to allow 1 or 2 exemptions in the spring?

Looks like the Circuit is going to allow two exemptions, but have to be born in a specific year.

Looks like WSYL is going the other direction: All players must be born on or after 9/1/2010

Some tournaments are following age verification....some appear to be not or are waiting to be forced to?

Can't we just have one standardize set for everything!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if HOCO is going to allow 1 or 2 exemptions in the spring?

Looks like the Circuit is going to allow two exemptions, but have to be born in a specific year.

Looks like WSYL is going the other direction: All players must be born on or after 9/1/2010

Some tournaments are following age verification....some appear to be not or are waiting to be forced to?

Can't we just have one standardize set for everything!

Ricky will do whatever the Elite level club directors tell him to do. They run the show, not HOCO rec and parks.

HCLC SPRING 2024 - AGE/GRADE GUIDELINES
Please Note: There will be NO waivers or exceptions of any kind to the Age/Grade Guidelines. Thank you for your compliance.

2028

Age Requirement: No Player born before June 1, 2008 may participate in 2028

Grade Requirement: Player MUST be in 8th grade or below (2029, 2030, etc.)

2029

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2010 may participate in 2029

Grade Requirement: Players in 7th grade MUST participate in the 2029 grade designation or above (2028) pending age requirement

*Players born before June 1, 2010 in 7th grade must participate in the 2028 grade designation.

2030

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2011 may participate in 2030

Players in 6th grade MUST participate in the 2030 grade designation or above (2029, 2028).

*Players born before June 1, 2011 in 6th grade must participate in the 2029 (7th grade) or older grade designation.

2031

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2012 may participate in 2031

Players in 5th grade MUST participate in the 2031 grade designation or above (2030, 2029, etc.) pending age requirement.

*Players born before June 1, 2012 in 5th grade must participate in the 2030 (6th grade) or older grade designation.

2032

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2013 may participate in 2032

Players in 4th grade MUST participate in the 2032 grade designation or above (2031, 2030, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2013 in 4th grade must participate in the 2031 (5th grade) or older grade designation.

2033

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2014 may participate in the 2033 divisions

Players in 3rd grade MUST participate in the 2033 grade designation or above (2032, 2031, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2014 in 3rd grade must participate in the 2032 (4th grade) or older grade designation.

2034

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2015 may participate in the 2034 division

Players in 2nd grade MUST participate in the 2034 grade designation or above (2033, 2032, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2015 in 2nd grade must participate in the 2033 (3rd grade) or older grade designation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HCLC SPRING 2024 - AGE/GRADE GUIDELINES
Please Note: There will be NO waivers or exceptions of any kind to the Age/Grade Guidelines. Thank you for your compliance.

2028

Age Requirement: No Player born before June 1, 2008 may participate in 2028

Grade Requirement: Player MUST be in 8th grade or below (2029, 2030, etc.)

2029

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2010 may participate in 2029

Grade Requirement: Players in 7th grade MUST participate in the 2029 grade designation or above (2028) pending age requirement

*Players born before June 1, 2010 in 7th grade must participate in the 2028 grade designation.

2030

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2011 may participate in 2030

Players in 6th grade MUST participate in the 2030 grade designation or above (2029, 2028).

*Players born before June 1, 2011 in 6th grade must participate in the 2029 (7th grade) or older grade designation.

2031

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2012 may participate in 2031

Players in 5th grade MUST participate in the 2031 grade designation or above (2030, 2029, etc.) pending age requirement.

*Players born before June 1, 2012 in 5th grade must participate in the 2030 (6th grade) or older grade designation.

2032

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2013 may participate in 2032

Players in 4th grade MUST participate in the 2032 grade designation or above (2031, 2030, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2013 in 4th grade must participate in the 2031 (5th grade) or older grade designation.

2033

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2014 may participate in the 2033 divisions

Players in 3rd grade MUST participate in the 2033 grade designation or above (2032, 2031, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2014 in 3rd grade must participate in the 2032 (4th grade) or older grade designation.

2034

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2015 may participate in the 2034 division

Players in 2nd grade MUST participate in the 2034 grade designation or above (2033, 2032, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2015 in 2nd grade must participate in the 2033 (3rd grade) or older grade designation.

Lol please tell me this is true, can't wait for the panicked reactions from double holdback fams

Enough was enough. The Circuit and WSL proved participation wouldn’t drop and the blatant cheating by most of the national and regional all star teams pushed it over the edge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HCLC SPRING 2024 - AGE/GRADE GUIDELINES
Please Note: There will be NO waivers or exceptions of any kind to the Age/Grade Guidelines. Thank you for your compliance.

2028

Age Requirement: No Player born before June 1, 2008 may participate in 2028

Grade Requirement: Player MUST be in 8th grade or below (2029, 2030, etc.)

2029

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2010 may participate in 2029

Grade Requirement: Players in 7th grade MUST participate in the 2029 grade designation or above (2028) pending age requirement

*Players born before June 1, 2010 in 7th grade must participate in the 2028 grade designation.

2030

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2011 may participate in 2030

Players in 6th grade MUST participate in the 2030 grade designation or above (2029, 2028).

*Players born before June 1, 2011 in 6th grade must participate in the 2029 (7th grade) or older grade designation.

2031

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2012 may participate in 2031

Players in 5th grade MUST participate in the 2031 grade designation or above (2030, 2029, etc.) pending age requirement.

*Players born before June 1, 2012 in 5th grade must participate in the 2030 (6th grade) or older grade designation.

2032

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2013 may participate in 2032

Players in 4th grade MUST participate in the 2032 grade designation or above (2031, 2030, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2013 in 4th grade must participate in the 2031 (5th grade) or older grade designation.

2033

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2014 may participate in the 2033 divisions

Players in 3rd grade MUST participate in the 2033 grade designation or above (2032, 2031, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2014 in 3rd grade must participate in the 2032 (4th grade) or older grade designation.

2034

Age Requirement: No player born before June 1, 2015 may participate in the 2034 division

Players in 2nd grade MUST participate in the 2034 grade designation or above (2033, 2032, etc.)

*Players born before June 1, 2015 in 2nd grade must participate in the 2033 (3rd grade) or older grade designation.

So Holdbacks allowed?? Just not older Holdbacks,,, Why not forget grades and let it be June 1 age for everyone?? No that wont work as privates schools wont get their summer prefirst holdbacks in......

HOCO holds the highest shame honor for being the first league in country to go grade based. Their director at time had a holdback in St Pauls and make the entire HOCO league grade based at start, even tho every league in Howard County was age based at time. Satrted the flood and Crabs and rest went with it.

Essentially, they did eliminate grades. They didn’t need to mention grades of any sort. They could have gone with u13, u12 …

What type of age verification system are they going to use? They basically have been using the "honor system" in the past for rosters and if a coach suspected something they had to make a challenge with the ref and league after the game, pay a $50 roster check fee. The whole process is a joke. If all of the coaches were provided with the full rosters including all the names, numbers and DOB (month/year) before each game it would really help to crack down on the shenanigans, but doubt that would ever happen.

They should just post the rosters for each team on the app or website. Even better to include picture of each kid but I suppose that would take too much effort.

You guys do realize that you're talking about elementary and middle-school kids right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys do realize that you're talking about elementary and middle-school kids right?

It’s sarcasm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They should just post the rosters for each team on the app or website. Even better to include picture of each kid but I suppose that would take too much effort.

If it stopped teams from using unrostered players I would be all for this. I don’t care what age they are, people are sick and tired of watching others bend the rules and then having to jump through hoops to prove or challenge it. It’s a shame that’s what youth athletics has come to but with todays technology this isn’t even hard to implement. The coaches have to have visible badges to be on the field, why stop there? The only people against things like this are those who like to take advantage of the loose enforcement on rosters that currently exists.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What type of age verification system are they going to use? They basically have been using the "honor system" in the past for rosters and if a coach suspected something they had to make a challenge with the ref and league after the game, pay a $50 roster check fee. The whole process is a joke. If all of the coaches were provided with the full rosters including all the names, numbers and DOB (month/year) before each game it would really help to crack down on the shenanigans, but doubt that would ever happen.

US Lacrosse has an age verification system that is going to be used as part of registration.

Its very easy. You just upload a picture and identification document to the website and then it verifies it's authenticity and you are good to go.

Now each of the HoCo game sites will have a "binder" available in the press box on gameday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys do realize that you're talking about elementary and middle-school kids right?

What’s your definition? The 2027 elite division had 6+ players born in spring/Summer of 2007; and a large number of players born in fall of 2007; and a huge chunk born before June 1 2008. For you rising 8th graders, that equates to 2008 and early 2009 birth dates. Rosters will be dramatically different.

This is how age verification is done for soccer and hockey so whatever the governing body is for this has two systems to copy.

Well, Spring 2024 Hoco is starting back up, interesting topics?
1. Age verification - done. What impact will it have one teams?
2. Holdbacks. Everyone does it, who cares?
3. Changes to clubs? New teams, missing teams?
4. Coaching changes?
5. Rule changes and impact?
6. Age groups moving up or down?
7. More prestigious to win at AAA or AA or to have even record at Elite?
8. Others?

Originally Posted by Travellinglaxer

Well, Spring 2024 Hoco is starting back up, interesting topics?
1. Age verification - done. What impact will it have one teams?
2. Holdbacks. Everyone does it, who cares?
3. Changes to clubs? New teams, missing teams?
4. Coaching changes?
5. Rule changes and impact?
6. Age groups moving up or down?
7. More prestigious to win at AAA or AA or to have even record at Elite?
8. Others?

Let the [Censored] talk begin!

Originally Posted by Travellinglaxer

Well, Spring 2024 Hoco is starting back up, interesting topics?
1. Age verification - done. What impact will it have one teams?
2. Holdbacks. Everyone does it, who cares?
3. Changes to clubs? New teams, missing teams?
4. Coaching changes?
5. Rule changes and impact?
6. Age groups moving up or down?
7. More prestigious to win at AAA or AA or to have even record at Elite?
8. Others?

Holdbacks, No more.... Nothing to talk about. Level playing field!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They should just post the rosters for each team on the app or website. Even better to include picture of each kid but I suppose that would take too much effort.

If it stopped teams from using unrostered players I would be all for this. I don’t care what age they are, people are sick and tired of watching others bend the rules and then having to jump through hoops to prove or challenge it. It’s a shame that’s what youth athletics has come to but with todays technology this isn’t even hard to implement. The coaches have to have visible badges to be on the field, why stop there? The only people against things like this are those who like to take advantage of the loose enforcement on rosters that currently exists.

You don't think it's reasonable that to challenge your True MD opponent's 5 6'3" players with luggage tags on their sticks, for a roster check, that you have to point a sun dial into the setting sun of Troy Park, within 174 seconds of the beginning of the 3rd faceoff in the 1st quarter, and pay the lead referee an offering of 24 blood-stained Turkish gold dubloons and speak the magic prayer of the Ricky Dubois Honorific Masonic Temple, hoping that the dark portal of the transdimensional abyss doesn't open up?

I think it's perfectly reasonable (kidding) but the enormous hassle of challenging rosters/games is absolutely 100% why in 7+ years of watching Hoco ball, I have witnessed an entire ONE roster check (resulted in 5 out of state, unrostered True players being removed from the field).

And on top of this, yeah I do find it funny that the Crabs, VLC, and ML coaches seem to be the only ones allowed to "postpone" their games in this league. Out of 30+ clubs, everybody else's requests are denied (and True has tried very, very hard to get into the short list of clubs with special privileges). The blatant preferential treatment, I guess, is a holdover from Ricky's predecessor.

Anybody know if the rumor is true that a red hots are entering a team in 2028 elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Travellinglaxer

Well, Spring 2024 Hoco is starting back up, interesting topics?
1. Age verification - done. What impact will it have one teams?
2. Holdbacks. Everyone does it, who cares?
3. Changes to clubs? New teams, missing teams?
4. Coaching changes?
5. Rule changes and impact?
6. Age groups moving up or down?
7. More prestigious to win at AAA or AA or to have even record at Elite?
8. Others?

Holdbacks, No more.... Nothing to talk about. Level playing field!

You’re on the wrong board, that’s for 2029 where holdbacks got sent back up to 2028. The 2028 division is still loaded with holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody know if the rumor is true that a red hots are entering a team in 2028 elite?

Bring ‘em on, we need a team to replace Madlax who is dropping to AAA

Are division placements set? Where do you find them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody know if the rumor is true that a red hots are entering a team in 2028 elite?

Very unlikely, as the 50% of their 60 man roster that lives within driving distance of HoCo games, already play on clubs entering into Hoco brackets.

It's true that Some of the holdbacks on Red Hots 2028 are playing on 2027 local club teams, but they are too old to meet the HoCo age requirements for 2028 Hoco, so that's a non factor.

Anyone know when schedules/placements/etc will get released?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know when schedules/placements/etc will get released?

Next week by Wednesday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody know if the rumor is true that a red hots are entering a team in 2028 elite?

Nope. All the relevant (within driving distance) 2028s are on other HoCo teams, and while several of the 2028 holdbacks (some of them have recently turned 16) play on local 2027 clubs and technically COULD play for RH 2028, HoCo actually established an age cut offs for 2028s as well, so those kids are out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody know if the rumor is true that a red hots are entering a team in 2028 elite?

Nope. All the relevant (within driving distance) 2028s are on other HoCo teams, and while several of the 2028 holdbacks (some of them have recently turned 16) play on local 2027 clubs and technically COULD play for RH 2028, HoCo actually established an age cut offs for 2028s as well, so those kids are out.

Almost entirely fake news. Worst part about this site... just people with mediocre kids comm eating on things they know nothing about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody know if the rumor is true that a red hots are entering a team in 2028 elite?

Nope. All the relevant (within driving distance) 2028s are on other HoCo teams, and while several of the 2028 holdbacks (some of them have recently turned 16) play on local 2027 clubs and technically COULD play for RH 2028, HoCo actually established an age cut offs for 2028s as well, so those kids are out.

can you tell us which 2027kids from local HoCo teams play on the 2028 Red Hots team? Trying to understand how ANY 2027 kids can be playing in 2028 games for Red Hots 2028. Either you're in 8th grade right now (2028) or you're not (2027). How does a 2027 play in the 2028 division...please explain.

Red Hots were supposed to play but at the team meeting the Elite team owners that influence Howard County decisions would not let it happen. Seems like Baltimore teams don’t want to play them in their backyard. It would of been a nice addition to the league because 3 teams should not be in it: no guarantee they beat everyone my guess it would be close games.

The league meeting with the directors is tomorrow night. Whomever told that was feeding you BS. I heard, not confirmed, RH didn’t like the roster they put together and they never completed the registration process.

If all the redhot kids play on other HOCO teams how would this work? Same conversation surrounding any discussion of national teams vs club teams

Meetings tomorrow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Red Hots were supposed to play but at the team meeting the Elite team owners that influence Howard County decisions would not let it happen. Seems like Baltimore teams don’t want to play them in their backyard. It would of been a nice addition to the league because 3 teams should not be in it: no guarantee they beat everyone my guess it would be close games.

The league meeting hasn’t happened lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Red Hots were supposed to play but at the team meeting the Elite team owners that influence Howard County decisions would not let it happen. Seems like Baltimore teams don’t want to play them in their backyard. It would of been a nice addition to the league because 3 teams should not be in it: no guarantee they beat everyone my guess it would be close games.

Just picture all the kids switching jerseys in the parking lot, playing in multiple age groups. Oh wait…..

I just got a bunch of emails from my son's coach with game times and dates. The schedule must be out!

The 2024 Hoco schedule for 2028 to 2034 as out