I am the earlier poster who said that fall scores do count, and I have no particular interest in either DCE or 91. Rest assured I am not MM! My son's team played in HoCo last spring and competed against both teams, and I was surprised how bad 91 was after their bragging on this board. My only point in today's post is that if Dads want to banter about how teams compare, fall games are a perfectly good indicator in my book. They are not 100% accurate, but they do tell you a lot, and for that matter spring and summer games do not prove anything with 100% clarity either. Teams always have excuses why they did not have their best roster or play their best game. I stand by what I said and have no plans to leave BOTC!