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Re: Age Verification
Anonymous #96356 11/24/14 10:04 AM
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We need to be vocal with our coaches and clubs who in turn must be vocal with the organizers of any tournament that Edge is entered in. US Lacrosse should be helping out here but they are not.


Unfortunately tons of American teams do it too.


Please show me a US based program that publishes a policy of registering teams one division below their teams actual age.

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This is due to early reclassification of our 2018 and 2019 teams as they enter and prepare for FRESHMEN and Rising Freshmen events. Reclassification is the process in which a player competes in their PG (Post graduate) age division as opposed to their natural 4 year grad year. This is due to US players starting school a year later or staying back a year prior to entering high school. This results in US born players to be a year older as we enter highschool. With early recruitment becoming increasingly common among the top DI schools, it is important for our members to reclassify in grade 8/9 in order to compete against similar aged US counterparts. Reclassifying provides our members with the best opportunities to be recruited by the top DI programs in grade 9 and 10.


This Canadien club doesn't understand what reclassification means. As I understand it, when US players are re-classified, they retake 8th grade. In the example of the boy who had his arm broken, the 2019 players are all grad year 2019. The Edge club makes an assumption that ALL of the players will do a post grad year so they decided to register teams based on their post grad graduation year.....?

This is a twisted way to gain an advantage for your clubs players. I feel for the kid who got hurt but lacrosse players get injured. As a parent, I would like to have a choice as to if I allow my son to play against older kids, we shouldn't be deceived. That's what this is about for me. We, as parents, are being deceived so I do not have the ability to make a decision with the facts at hand.

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Anonymous #96372 11/24/14 10:58 AM
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What is this "We" [lacrosse] ? What are you French now ? Some o u LI parents are doing it now. It will get worse. Now these future stars are starting school late here on LI so it's not as obvious when they are 13. Everyone is nuts. Parents dreams of D1 is over for a lot of LI kids. Sport exploded all over by now. The Canadians are superior athletes. Plain and simple. Hockey , box , whatever it is they have it.

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Anonymous #96381 11/24/14 11:24 AM
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We need to be vocal with our coaches and clubs who in turn must be vocal with the organizers of any tournament that Edge is entered in. US Lacrosse should be helping out here but they are not.


Unfortunately tons of American teams do it too.


Please show me a US based program that publishes a policy of registering teams one division below their teams actual age.

Read this carefully before posting a response

Edge Lacrosse website:

This is due to early reclassification of our 2018 and 2019 teams as they enter and prepare for FRESHMEN and Rising Freshmen events. Reclassification is the process in which a player competes in their PG (Post graduate) age division as opposed to their natural 4 year grad year. This is due to US players starting school a year later or staying back a year prior to entering high school. This results in US born players to be a year older as we enter highschool. With early recruitment becoming increasingly common among the top DI schools, it is important for our members to reclassify in grade 8/9 in order to compete against similar aged US counterparts. Reclassifying provides our members with the best opportunities to be recruited by the top DI programs in grade 9 and 10.


This needs to be shared with ALL TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS where this team plans to play. By notifying them of this practice, you void any waiver. You are notifying them that the brackets they set are not being adhered to, and therefore if they allow the team to compete in an improper age group, they are voiding their agreement as a vendor.
The truth of the matter is, this club is allowing 2018 players, who may have been held back already, to play as 2019 players. Even if you do a PG year, you still graduate your HS and then move on.
For those of you ranting and raving that re-classing is cheating, this club is actually the ones who are cheating.

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Anonymous #96392 11/24/14 12:25 PM
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What is this "We" [lacrosse] ? What are you French now ? Some o u LI parents are doing it now. It will get worse. Now these future stars are starting school late here on LI so it's not as obvious when they are 13. Everyone is nuts. Parents dreams of D1 is over for a lot of LI kids. Sport exploded all over by now. The Canadians are superior athletes. Plain and simple. Hockey , box , whatever it is they have it.


You are not reading the program policy. Show me any US programs registering teams in lower age groups because the players MIGHT do a year of post grad before college. They are not reclassifying a few players by having them repeat 8th grade, they are reclassifying entire teams based on the premise that the kids expect to do a PG year. That's just wrong and no other program in the US is doing it. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Anonymous #96440 11/24/14 04:46 PM
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Why are tournament organizers allowing a program to cheat so blatantly? Why would they risk being sued by some kids family who gets badly injured?

Is this what lacrosse is all about? Its not how I was raised on the game and I'll not support nor foster this type of behavior. I spoke with our club teams director about this Canadian team from Edge Lacrosse because my son is a 2019 grad. I sent out emails to all of the parents describing what the Edge does and they are in complete agreement that we will not allow our kids to play them in a tournament.

Action must be taken, stop posting and start doing something. Send some emails to these Frog Thugs. One of our parents suggested the parents of the player who was injured should press charges against the Edge club. He's an attorney.

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Agreed. I'm not going to allow my son to play against all the holdback loving clubs (Express North, Crabs, Laxachuesetts, Express). Come on now. While it's unfortunate that a boy got hurt, I think he was on the 2019 Express North team which has at least 8-9 holdbacks. Seems like they were possibly playing an aged appropriate team in Edge. Repeating 8th grade is crazy and should be a major embarrassment for the parents and kids. But it is what it is. Go on the field and play. This site seems to be way too consumed with cheaters. Let's move on.

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Anonymous #96460 11/24/14 06:29 PM
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Should re-title this thread "The Whining Parents". Glad my parents generation was not like the current one. They just dropped me off at practice and said "do your best and play hard". No wonder many people proclaim the pussification of America. Can't hover over little Johnnie forever folks.

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Anonymous #96464 11/24/14 06:44 PM
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Edge should just be evaluated for what they are: a team that is a year older than the divisions they are currently permitted to enter. So 2020 Edge should be welcome at any tournament.....provided they take their rightful place in the 2019 division and so on and so forth for all their teams. Given how they advertise their program on their own website I don't see how they could be surprised. Nor, as an attorney, do I think that tournamant directors would be absolved of liability if an Edge kid seriously hurt someone. Even a passing view of the Edge website site reveals their philosophy so it will be tough for any director to claim ignorance. Presumably there is some basic due diligence associated with hosting a tournament. Somebody will get hurt, a lawsuit will follow, and then maybe people who currently look the other way will start paying serious attention.

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GoodSport #96474 11/24/14 08:10 PM
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I am Canadian - my son was born in Nov 1998 and is in grade 11, so he is a 2016. He is 6'2" 210 lbs and a very physical D man.
If he went to school in most states he would be in grade 10 being a Nov baby, so now he is a 2017. If he was to repeat grade 8 like some American kids that would make him a 2018!!

If he were to go to college in 2016 he would show up at college as a 17 year old. Most College coaches we have spoke to have stated the they dont want 17 year olds on thier roster and he should do a PG year/reclass.

He doesnt play for Edge but dont blame Edge for the whole reclass fiasco in the end it is the Colleges that make the decisions and will pay for most of the schooling so if they want reclassified kids, people will reclass!!!

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Anonymous #96507 11/24/14 11:27 PM
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I am Canadian - my son was born in Nov 1998 and is in grade 11, so he is a 2016. He is 6'2" 210 lbs and a very physical D man.
If he went to school in most states he would be in grade 10 being a Nov baby, so now he is a 2017. If he was to repeat grade 8 like some American kids that would make him a 2018!!

If he were to go to college in 2016 he would show up at college as a 17 year old. Most College coaches we have spoke to have stated the they dont want 17 year olds on thier roster and he should do a PG year/reclass.

He doesnt play for Edge but dont blame Edge for the whole reclass fiasco in the end it is the Colleges that make the decisions and will pay for most of the schooling so if they want reclassified kids, people will reclass!!!


If the kids broken arm was a broken neck, would we dismiss this as whining? Not a topic that should garner so much attention? Get real people, this issue needs to be addressed head on. Save the sport and don't allow kids to be placed in harms way without notice.

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why doesn't Suffolk lacrosse have the same thing as Suffolk pal football they use a program called direct roster when the players are registered a pictures and put it is get printed out with their name birthdate and organization
it needs to start somewhere

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Edge should just be evaluated for what they are: a team that is a year older than the divisions they are currently permitted to enter. So 2020 Edge should be welcome at any tournament.....provided they take their rightful place in the 2019 division and so on and so forth for all their teams. Given how they advertise their program on their own website I don't see how they could be surprised. Nor, as an attorney, do I think that tournamant directors would be absolved of liability if an Edge kid seriously hurt someone. Even a passing view of the Edge website site reveals their philosophy so it will be tough for any director to claim ignorance. Presumably there is some basic due diligence associated with hosting a tournament. Somebody will get hurt, a lawsuit will follow, and then maybe people who currently look the other way will start paying serious attention.



If you feel Edge should do that ok. What about the US teams ? Are they dismissed because they only have some on the teams that do it ? Let's not be hypocritical here. Every team is doing it now. Whether it's the whole team or just a few.

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GoodSport #96572 11/25/14 11:35 AM
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2018 crabs have six 1998 b days and a bunch of 1999. That is just plain cheating.
If they played age, they be at best just an average team


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Edge should just be evaluated for what they are: a team that is a year older than the divisions they are currently permitted to enter. So 2020 Edge should be welcome at any tournament.....provided they take their rightful place in the 2019 division and so on and so forth for all their teams. Given how they advertise their program on their own website I don't see how they could be surprised. Nor, as an attorney, do I think that tournamant directors would be absolved of liability if an Edge kid seriously hurt someone. Even a passing view of the Edge website site reveals their philosophy so it will be tough for any director to claim ignorance. Presumably there is some basic due diligence associated with hosting a tournament. Somebody will get hurt, a lawsuit will follow, and then maybe people who currently look the other way will start paying serious attention.



If you feel Edge should do that ok. What about the US teams ? Are they dismissed because they only have some on the teams that do it ? Let's not be hypocritical here. Every team is doing it now. Whether it's the whole team or just a few.



This post points out the irony and hypocrisy of the current holdback / age based team fiasco. As long as the big east coast clubs (and compliant parents with visions of D-1 positions for their sons) can game the rules by going to age based teams and holding kids back to get age and size advantage (the euphemism the "advantage of time" is precious); everything is just fine. Anyone who complains is a "whiner" and an over protective "helicopter parent" who just will not let the boys play. However, as soon as a team dares to be constituted entirely of holdbacks (which is the logical end result to the system gaming), then there is strident bitching and moaning that that team is "cheating". How dare a team be created with just holdbacks and players playing down. Put another way, itís OK if we do it for some players (and get a competitive advantage over other teams), but it is not OK (in fact it's cheating or much worse) if another team does it for all players and gets a competitive advantage over us.

The problem is that using grade level as the standard for organizing teams is no standard at all, if (as is the case); parents, coaches are willing hold kids back or simply play kids down. In a grade based system how can you even challenge or enforce against players playing down? There is no proof as to what grade a kid is in (which is the point of course and what makes grade based teams so seductive until it backfires).

As arbitrary as age based teams can be around the edges, it is the only solution for youth lacrosse. A prior poster had it right: Lacrosse at this point has no integrity.

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GoodSport #96582 11/25/14 12:21 PM
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That's why this thread exists to prompt some kind of U.S. Lacrosse action to regulate tournament age/grade rules. It's the wild west right now and that's not safe.

The best course of action right now is to encourage your program to only pick tournaments that actually have or enforce age or grade rules. Sadly, those seem to be the exception to the rule.

By the way, regarding Canadian age rules for grades, I think they are only about 1 month different than the rule for NY, which is in turn only about 3 months different than U.S. Lacrosse. Certainly not different enough to justify dropping teams down an entire grade level.

And since when did wanting collective action for safe and competitively fair gameplay count as whining? Are all the sports that have it a bunch of whiners? I'd say holding back your kid for artificial competitive advantage is the ultimate "whine", but then again I can certainly see why parents do it for recruiting reasons.

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