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Cascade R helmets not certified #96469
11/24/14 06:15 PM
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Just announced today. Go to cascadelacrosse.com for their statement.

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96475
11/24/14 07:14 PM
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this will be fixed in a week or so.

maybe NOSCOE could look into age verification next!!

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
this will be fixed in a week or so.

maybe NOSCOE could look into age verification next!!


This is going to be interesting to watch unfold. If NOSCOE reversers their decision they will almost be implying that they are not competent enough to run their own tests. I would imagine that there were multiple closed door meetings before they essentially sank the most popular helmet in the sport.

I am betting on a recall.




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11/24/14 10:16 PM
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STX are about to get a higher percentage of the helmet market share.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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this will be fixed in a week or so.

maybe NOSCOE could look into age verification next!!


This is going to be interesting to watch unfold. If NOSCOE reversers their decision they will almost be implying that they are not competent enough to run their own tests. I would imagine that there were multiple closed door meetings before they essentially sank the most popular helmet in the sport.

I am betting on a recall.




Cascade will go bankrupt on this

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This is a setup.

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96514
11/24/14 11:59 PM
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Btw it's NOCSAE. National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment.

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96527
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Is it just the R or is it also the CPX-R?

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96529
11/25/14 07:57 AM
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Would love to know the real story here. The helmet was NOCSAE certified by two independent labs, so it's odd that the certification would be pulled so long after the helmet was introduced.

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96532
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It's also the Warrior

NOCSAE Voids the Certification of Two Lacrosse Helmets

BALTIMORE, Nov. 24, 2014 - US Lacrosse, the national governing body for men's and women's lacrosse, has been notified by NOCSAE (National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment) that two lacrosse helmet models currently available in the marketplace -- the Cascade Model R and the Warrior Regulator -- do not meet the NOCSAE helmet standard, ND041.

NOCSAE's public statement, available in its entirety at www.nocsae.org, says that the organization made its determination following an independent investigation and evaluation of the two helmets, including a review of each manufacturer's internal testing and quality control data. As a result, NOCSAE has invalidated the manufacturer's certification of compliance for all manufacturing dates for the two helmet models.

Playing rules written by US Lacrosse, the NCAA and the NFHS (National Federation of State High School Associations) mandate that all helmets must meet NOCSAE standards and be NOCSAE certified. Both models had previously been certified by the manufacturers as compliant with the NOCSAE standard.

NOCSAE's statement adds that both Cascade and Warrior have been notified of these conclusions by NOCSAE, and have indicated that they are working to address the issue.

Consumers seeking further information about these two helmet models are advised to contact the manufacturers directly: Cascade (1-800-537-1702); Warrior (1-800-968-7845).

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Cascade posted the following, which appears right now as a pop-up if you visit their home page:

The National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment (NOCSAE) has announced that the Cascade R model lacrosse helmet no longer complies with NOCSAE standard ND041 and that Cascade's certification of compliance on that helmet model only is invalid.

We are working with NOCSAE to clarify the concerns and appropriately address the issue. However, our first priority is always our loyal Cascade customers.

Players not in immediate need of a certified helmet are encouraged to retain their helmet. Cascade is confident that we will be able to re-certify the helmet and that recertification could be a simple fix. We expect to communicate all available remedies as soon as possible, once approved by NOCSAE.

We are communicating the following information to the consumers:

•If you are a player that owns an R helmet and has games in November/Early December but do not own another certified helmet, you should contact your preferred lacrosse retailer to understand if they have the ability to fit you with a certified helmet. If yes, return your R helmet to that retailer and they will provide a replacement.

•If you are a player that owns an R helmet and are not using it until the season starts, we are asking you to please hold onto your helmet in the short-term. As we get closer to season start we will have a procedure in place for you to receive either an update to your R model or another replacement option.

•If you are a team that owns R helmets and has games in November/Early December but do not have another certified helmet solution, please contact Cascade customer service at 1(800) 537-1702 and we will do our best to find a lacrosse retailer to support your needs.

•If you are a team that has R helmets and do not need to use them immediately we are asking you to please hold onto your helmets in the short-term. As we get closer to season start we have a procedure in place for you to receive either an update to your R models or another replacement option.

Detailed instructions on necessary steps will be made available on our web site www.CascadeLacrosse.com and provided to all relevant governing bodies as soon as they become available.

It is important to note that the Cascade R model has passed applicable NOCSAE standards at two separate, independent, NOCSAE-accredited test labs commissioned by the Company.

We apologize for the confusion and disruption cause by today's announcement. We know you have trusted Cascade and our products for more than 28 years and we will do everything in our power to ensure that trust remains for many years to come.

Thank you,

Cascade Lacrosse


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Would love to know the real story here. The helmet was NOCSAE certified by two independent labs, so it's odd that the certification would be pulled so long after the helmet was introduced.


or when the helet went to get recertified. because all school must send them out to get recert. they found issues.

I wonder how many PAl and rec leagues parents recert their helmets. I know soccer used to check shin guards at times I have yet to see a lax official ever ck to see if a helmet was certified.

football rec leaues send their helmets out. Why not Rec lax.

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96534
11/25/14 08:22 AM
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If they operate anything like UL listing it could be a number of things including not having the components that they had when they were certified. For example they went to a different vendor who doesn't have noscae certification. Could be as small as a chin strap button or rivet. Or a bigger component like the padding. They will go out and purchase a helmet and strip it down to exam it and make sure they stay in compliance after they get the certification

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11/25/14 09:46 AM
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[quote=Anonymous] Cascade will go bankrupt on this


The Cascade R is about 5% of revenue for the parent company - PSG, which also makes the Bauer, Mission, Maverik, Inaria, Combat and Easton brands.

The ND041 standard which the R and Regulator did not meet has to do with performance testing. It may be a case of the helmets failing an impact test, improper fit, testing them without a NOCSEA certified face mask or just an improper label (although I suspect it's something more serious than an improper label).

http://nocsae.org/wp-content/files_mf/1348509399ND04111m12MfrdLacrosseHelmetsperfstd.pdf

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96564
11/25/14 10:10 AM
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Ironic how this de certification of the 2 most popular helmets coincides with the release of the STX/Schutt helmet roll out.

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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified [Re: LAXDADDY32] #96570
11/25/14 10:31 AM
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I received an email back from noscae very quick reply regarding the CPX-R model it stated that at this time it is not included in their decertification so anyone with that model is safe for the moment. The investigation is ongoing though.

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