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#63305 - 06/10/14 09:36 AM Age Verification  
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So there are two sets of criteria used in tournaments for age, my opinion - they both stink.
1- Graduation Year, this seems like a good idea until one takes into account the kids held back a year - and in youth sports that does make a big difference.
2- The U system. Why USALax uses every other year is beyond me. Causes the same issue as Grad year. Plus why make the cut off August?

And what is actually done to enforce these age requirements anyway? Nothing of substance!
I know this topic is mentioned on nearly every tournament result forum page. I guess nobody at USALax pays attention or cares enough to listen - as long as we keep up the membership dues. Not playing is not an option - hurts the kids. Playing also can hurt the kids. The U system breaks the boys apart from their friends. My suggestion would be to go by original grad year & supply id cards. It's really not rocket science.

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#63308 - 06/10/14 09:48 AM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  

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So the 91 teams take a beating at beachlax this past weekend and you want to change the rules?

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#63316 - 06/10/14 10:38 AM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  
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I recognize that NY is December 1, but the September 1 date aligns with the cutoff for schools here in Va, and I am told that of most other states.
As for every year v. every other year age ranges, it has to do with numbers. Clubs in non-hotbed areas struggle to form teams at a single age, and would not be competitive.
Overall, the current system seems to be antiquated. As sport has grown, it would make sense to have clubs governed by a single authority, charged with rules, ages, insurance, etc. USLacrosse needs to step up and respond faster to the evolving issues

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#63317 - 06/10/14 10:51 AM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  

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91 teams didn't take a beating. So I don't know where your getting that info.

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#63324 - 06/10/14 11:19 AM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  
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This thread was not intended to discuss the merits or outcomes of 91 or any other club for that matter.

VaLaxDad makes a good point about age cut off outside of NY, which is why the U system is used in other sports - but two year groupings is not adequate. It wouldn't be that difficult for USLacrosse to come up with a standard that matches the majority of the population for youth lacrosse. Current system is not working and needs to be addressed.

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#63333 - 06/10/14 11:37 AM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  
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US lacrosse needs to go to single year9u 10u 11u 12u13u 14u 15u. If you go grade only teams will stack their team with play back kids.

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#63339 - 06/10/14 11:52 AM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  

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Most events are independently operated. US Lacrosse set guidelines that fit the events that they run. Not every team plays in their events, so identification cards issued from US Lax with D.O.B and current grade would be the best answer. It will give proof that can be used at any event. Should not be that hard, they could have an option to upload a picture during the registration process. When it comes in the mail you have the id card ready to go.

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#63344 - 06/10/14 12:12 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: Anonymous]  
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Yes, that would be a great start. USlacrosse also issues supplemental insurance for most (all?) events that I have been to--they could simply refuse to insure events that don't comply.

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#63346 - 06/10/14 12:19 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  

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ID cards WITH PICTURE ID, verified by Birth Certificate. You own the card - if you play with XYZ team and do not have your card you do not play, if next weekend you play with ABC team don't have your card, you don't play - no ticky no shirty....Takes all of 2 minutes to check a team in (before each game) and make even more simple..go by US Hockey ages, 99's play with 99's, 98s play with 98's...it is pretty simple - BUT US Lacrosse will not step up...it is very sad for the governing body not to act at all...they MUST have pull with the insurance companies that insure these tourneys independent or otherwise...

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#63349 - 06/10/14 12:26 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: VaLaxDad]  

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Originally Posted by VaLaxDad
Yes, that would be a great start. USlacrosse also issues supplemental insurance for most (all?) events that I have been to--they could simply refuse to insure events that don't comply.


In my experience the insurance just askes the organizer to require each player is/has a US lacrosse # and waivers are filled out, but as a player if you do not have them you are still able to run the event without being liable. The onus is on the teams to provide you not for you to demand to collect it. I wish all coaches knew that one. Because truly under law if their player causes an issue or is hurt the coach is the responsible party.

So all you daddy coaches beware.

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#63353 - 06/10/14 12:39 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: GoodSport]  

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Let's make it simple. Every player has an ID. Just like soccer does.

No more sneaking kids on teams or lying needed.


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#63356 - 06/10/14 12:44 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: MDlaxer]  

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Totally agree!! US Lacrosse needs to make it happen.

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#63357 - 06/10/14 12:50 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: Anonymous]  

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's make it simple. Every player has an ID. Just like soccer does.

No more sneaking kids on teams or lying needed.



AMEN TO THAT!!

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#63360 - 06/10/14 12:58 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: Anonymous]  

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not sure if they ( US Lacrosse) have the infrastructure to take on this monumental task. They should start offering the service at the convention fan fest, NCAA final 4 etc.

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#63375 - 06/10/14 02:25 PM Re: Age Verification [Re: Anonymous]  

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
not sure if they ( US Lacrosse) have the infrastructure to take on this monumental task. They should start offering the service at the convention fan fest, NCAA final 4 etc.


Give or take $13,000,000 a year in dues should be a heck of a place to start

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