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What's Your View? Player Passes #5768
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While US Lacrosse oversees the registration of players, the result is still a relatively weak system where birthdates, team rosters, and tournament players are regularly questioned both at the field and here on BOTC.

BOTC would very much like to open a dialog with US Lacrosse (perhaps via the LIMLF or directly) to discuss strengthening the player pass system.

What is your view? Is this a problem that requires a solution in order to improve the youth game in the region? Alternatively, is the player flexibility under the current system actually an advantage for player development?

BOTC is extremely interested in your thoughts on this topic.

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Originally Posted by CageSage
While US Lacrosse oversees the registration of players, the result is still a relatively weak system where birthdates, team rosters, and tournament players are regularly questioned both at the field and here on BOTC.

BOTC would very much like to open a dialog with US Lacrosse (perhaps via the LIMLF or directly) to discuss strengthening the player pass system.

What is your view? Is this a problem that requires a solution in order to improve the youth game in the region? Alternatively, is the player flexibility under the current system actually an advantage for player development?

BOTC is extremely interested in your thoughts on this topic.


As a coach, I don't see the disadvantage of having a player pass system. Some coaches and organizations play by the rules regarding age/roster requirements and won't see any impact against them. However, the growing trend is to bring in ringers (same age or older) and fill roster spots for tournaments. Hopefully, a pass system will help prevent coaches from directly contacting (poaching/recruiting) players who are committed to another team and handing them a jersey for a particular tournament and acting like "this kid is on my team". It undermines the whole team concept. If you are short players, then play with what you have - your roster is your roster, period. I know quality players who are farmed out on weekends to various teams to help them win. What message does this send to the kid who works his but off in practice? It tells him you're not good enough. When a team is legitimately short for a tournament, the team should be list as "CLUB Name Free Agent Team". This way, everyone knows that the team you are playing is not the usual club team for that age group, but instead is comprised of added players. Personally, I would rather lose a game with the players who committed to me, than win with a ringer. You can offer me the top player in my age group, if he is not on my roster, I will not take him. Commitment is a two way street - player to player and coach to players. Remember - coaching is teaching - values, ethics, integrity. We need a pass or credentialing system badly.

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Re: What's Your View? Player Passes [Re: Anonymous] #5772
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great post. as a parent of a young lacrosse player you give hope to us that it is not allways about the win and the money

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Also as a parent of a young lacrosse player (10 year old), I explain to him as if he is a little man what has been and continues to go on. I teach him that life isn't fair and people will constantly try and break/bend the rules. That being said, he should work hard to overcome those obstacles. Although the wins may not pile up he will feel good about playing fair and being honest. Nothing will be given to him for free, nor should he expect it! Other towns have better programs, accept it, work hard and move on. Other teams have better coaches, make the best of what you have, move on. Other kids have more privileges, elite camps and private lessons, move on. Have fun, play the game and build friendships. All life lessons, and that is what I feel is my job as a father, to prepare him for lifes obstacles. There will always be someone in his life who he will compete against that has an advantage, work hard and do the best you can do. Take that advice and you will succeed I tell him! Study hard, keep fishing and hunting and camping with me and play sports. Be well rounded, I feel that will serve him better in life.

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Needs to be done! Way overdue. My son is on the bigger side for his age and plays HIS age and has never been left back. But we do teach him to play hard against whom ever is on the field in a different color pinnie, no matter the age & size of the other team. Player Passes are the way to go!

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Well said my friend

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I would love to see them implement this process. There is no integrity in travel lacrosse with the current roster process. With the all the new travel teams out there, every club looks to win every tournament so the can post a picture on their website. Problem is many clubs bring in outside players on an idle weekend, older players from within their club, etc, to get the win....Other sports have the player pass/team roster process implemented and it works fine.


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Re: What's Your View? Player Passes [Re: Anonymous] #5780
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Long over due, especially at the younger ages, every local tournament that we play in has at least one time which has anywhere from 2-5 kids that are a year or two older and there's nothing you can do about it. A bunch of parents (most of who have kids who play or played soccer)were just having this conversation recently when we fell short in a tournament to a team which we later found out had 4-5 kids that were two years older than our players. The LI Lax community knows the coaches and players in various towns pretty well and can usually see when a team is loaded for a tournament. When caught the response is always the same - "we were short players so my older child and a few friends came down to play". Guess what happens? We lose by a couple of goals and most, if not all the scoring is done by the older players. Soccer has had very strict rules with ID cards for a long time, it's time that Lax catches up!

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Re: What's Your View? Player Passes [Re: Anonymous] #5781
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in theory the card system is good, the implementation will be impossible because there is no league or governing body like football or soccer that has leagues and penalization ramification caught, on the older teams, 9th, 10th and 11th grade you have an additional problem of kids playing on travel kids also playing on their HS summer team and the conflicts,when a travel team is short because 5 or 6 kids have to play for the town team that weekend, some teams take non roster players just to have enough kids not for ringers, Outlaws 2015 went through this last year at UMass. lacrosse is expensive enough, this will ad another expense to create and administer and we don't need it.

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Re: What's Your View? Player Passes [Re: CageSage] #5782
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Count me as in favor of player passes.


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
in theory the card system is good, the implementation will be impossible because there is no league or governing body like football or soccer that has leagues and penalization ramification caught, on the older teams, 9th, 10th and 11th grade you have an additional problem of kids playing on travel kids also playing on their HS summer team and the conflicts,when a travel team is short because 5 or 6 kids have to play for the town team that weekend, some teams take non roster players just to have enough kids not for ringers, Outlaws 2015 went through this last year at UMass. lacrosse is expensive enough, this will ad another expense to create and administer and we don't need it.
You make a excellent point in regards to "no govering body", very true and it SUCKS that there isnt!!! But as far as you saying it would be an added expense to an already expensive sport I cannot understand that because this is a saftey issue for young (kids) athletes.

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Re: What's Your View? Player Passes [Re: BashBros] #5785
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Why not have US Lacrosse to set up a new system. They can raise the membership fee to offset cost. Parents are paying big monies to be on a travel team. What's another $25.00......

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I agree with all the posts so far, official passes are LONG overdue in lacrosse. Having two boys who play I have seen many teams come to tournaments LOADED with kids who are older, especially in the younger age groups say U13 and younger. You constantly see players play for multipule teams during tourneys. It shouldn't be hard to do. Almost all tournaments require a US Lacrosse #. What would be so Hard that when you apply for the card you have to submit a picture and the picture can only be updated once a year

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What is the issue here. Players age or concern for stacking a team? in my view we need to focus on safety and getting kids playing age appropraite, which a pass system would work well. trying to govern who's on what team in youth sports is a tremendous undertaking, and unfortunately a waste of time as nothing could be created to be binding.

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According to lacrosse magazine Long Island is the Lacrosse hotbed. Why not start here and let LI set the tone for everyone else. BOTC should get together with any/all LI tournaments and advertise that teams/players bring copies of birth certificates and enter dates of births on rosters for all teams. Let coaches handle the paperwork for their teams. Sure there are plenty of ways to get around that, but sometimes all it takes is a start to change the way things are done. Tournaments should advertise that they will check rosters/dates of birth if another coach questions a player from another team. The time to push the idea is now prior to the summer season!!

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