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#52426 - 01/31/14 08:07 PM Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014  
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This thread will be used to discuss the Spring 2014 Nassau PAL League program, games, schedules, and results.

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BOTC has received a copy of the rules for the Nassau PAL League for the Spring 2014 season and we have posted that information on the Rules and Regulations Forum.

Nassau PAL Rules - Spring 2014

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#52491 - 02/03/14 09:35 AM Re: Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014 [Re: CageSage]  

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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.

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#52534 - 02/03/14 08:33 PM Re: Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014 [Re: Anonymous]  

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Hi, I am also interested in this question. Where are these rules stated? Does not say anything about how to set teams on the PAL website. Or even in the new 2014 rules.

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#52547 - 02/04/14 10:23 AM Re: Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014 [Re: Anonymous]  

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Hi, I am also interested in this question. Where are these rules stated? Does not say anything about how to set teams on the PAL website. Or even in the new 2014 rules.


NCPAL Directors got the rules in a email last week. Contact your director or coach they will have it.

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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.


So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks

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#52582 - 02/04/14 10:16 PM Re: Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014 [Re: Anonymous]  

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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.


So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks


on the boys side the 1st & 2nd grade is instructional and they are not supposed to keep score. 2nd & 3rd grade must be split evenly with no more than two teams in a division from a town. The divisions break down as Division 1,2,3,4..... In 5th and 6th grade they are permitted to stack an "A" Team comprised of the best players. this is for the larger towns like CSH, GC, FS, MANH, MASS, NPORT, SWR, SYSOS,3V, WI, PORT. After a town enters their A team they can enter their remaining teams in divisions 1,2,3,4.... with a maximum of two teams in any division.

For the girls it is simple. 1st & 2nd is instructional and they do not keep score. All othe Girls teams MUST BE BALANCED . Towns are not supposed to have tryouts and make A teams and C teams. So if your town has girls teams in 3rd grade through 7/8 grade the teams are supposed to be balanced if they are not they are not playing by the rules of NCPAL.

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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.


So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks


PAL is an opportunity for all kids to play ball and learn the game at all positions. It is all about the worst kids on the team,, not about the best. There are a ton of opportunities for the best kids to shine...club ball, select teams etc. PAL has modified rules, iits a greAt opportunity for your kid to play with his friends regardless of ability. We all like winning so we play yo win but lets not lose sight of what PAL is about.

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#52586 - 02/05/14 04:15 AM Re: Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014 [Re: Anonymous]  

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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.


So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks


on the boys side the 1st & 2nd grade is instructional and they are not supposed to keep score. 2nd & 3rd grade must be split evenly with no more than two teams in a division from a town. The divisions break down as Division 1,2,3,4..... In 5th and 6th grade they are permitted to stack an "A" Team comprised of the best players. this is for the larger towns like CSH, GC, FS, MANH, MASS, NPORT, SWR, SYSOS,3V, WI, PORT. After a town enters their A team they can enter their remaining teams in divisions 1,2,3,4.... with a maximum of two teams in any division.

For the girls it is simple. 1st & 2nd is instructional and they do not keep score. All othe Girls teams MUST BE BALANCED . Towns are not supposed to have tryouts and make A teams and C teams. So if your town has girls teams in 3rd grade through 7/8 grade the teams are supposed to be balanced if they are not they are not playing by the rules of NCPAL.


I'd like to interject here. You have seemed to miss the point. If the league runs with an 'A' (#1) division, with B,C,D (to follow) and all teams are to split evenly sub 5th grade - Then all teams are so called 'Even'....correct?? and must enter a relative (skill based and SAME) division accordingly. What the above poster is saying is that if teams are equal within a specific town, they must play in an equal division (Example: With split, all of GC teams are now rated 93/100 - they should all play in a division which is comprised of other teams rated on or close to 93) They can't take 2 of their 4 teams and play in other lower divisions slated for teams who are rated 90< ... that is called 'stacking' and PAL is all about fair play and learning...right?? - I will lay it out for you: (Div1A=90-100 rating / D2B=80-89 / D3C=70-79 / D4D=60-69)From a mathematical view, the numbers just don't add up as it seems and no matter what, if a town with multiple teams registers even one of these so called 'even' teams in another lower division - It only shows that there is going to be an unfair advantage for that specific team (Ex: team rated 93 playing in a division slated for teams rated 80-89) PAL is all about learning and fun - Do you think it is a fair for an 81 to play a 93?? ...... or fun for that matter - then again, maybe for the 93 it is

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#52590 - 02/05/14 07:57 AM Re: Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014 [Re: Anonymous]  

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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.


So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks


on the boys side the 1st & 2nd grade is instructional and they are not supposed to keep score. 2nd & 3rd grade must be split evenly with no more than two teams in a division from a town. The divisions break down as Division 1,2,3,4..... In 5th and 6th grade they are permitted to stack an "A" Team comprised of the best players. this is for the larger towns like CSH, GC, FS, MANH, MASS, NPORT, SWR, SYSOS,3V, WI, PORT. After a town enters their A team they can enter their remaining teams in divisions 1,2,3,4.... with a maximum of two teams in any division.

For the girls it is simple. 1st & 2nd is instructional and they do not keep score. All othe Girls teams MUST BE BALANCED . Towns are not supposed to have tryouts and make A teams and C teams. So if your town has girls teams in 3rd grade through 7/8 grade the teams are supposed to be balanced if they are not they are not playing by the rules of NCPAL.


I'd like to interject here. You have seemed to miss the point. If the league runs with an 'A' (#1) division, with B,C,D (to follow) and all teams are to split evenly sub 5th grade - Then all teams are so called 'Even'....correct?? and must enter a relative (skill based and SAME) division accordingly. What the above poster is saying is that if teams are equal within a specific town, they must play in an equal division (Example: With split, all of GC teams are now rated 93/100 - they should all play in a division which is comprised of other teams rated on or close to 93) They can't take 2 of their 4 teams and play in other lower divisions slated for teams who are rated 90< ... that is called 'stacking' and PAL is all about fair play and learning...right?? - I will lay it out for you: (Div1A=90-100 rating / D2B=80-89 / D3C=70-79 / D4D=60-69)From a mathematical view, the numbers just don't add up as it seems and no matter what, if a town with multiple teams registers even one of these so called 'even' teams in another lower division - It only shows that there is going to be an unfair advantage for that specific team (Ex: team rated 93 playing in a division slated for teams rated 80-89) PAL is all about learning and fun - Do you think it is a fair for an 81 to play a 93?? ...... or fun for that matter - then again, maybe for the 93 it is


Great post ^^^ So what is the PAL going to do about this now noticeable, maybe unforeseen stacking issue? it's obvious that towns with multiple teams that are split evenly can't rightfully, and justifiably play down. They would have to play in the same division. It is also apparent that these towns are at no fault of their own. I want my kids to have a good time and learn but not be killed in the process by those towns that have numerous teams entered in the league.

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#52599 - 02/05/14 10:42 AM Re: Nassau PAL League - Spring 2014 [Re: Anonymous]  

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NCPAL is run on the honor system.... with that said many are not honorable.....
The boys towns that put "A" teams into the 5&6th grade divisions will only play against "A" teams . They all request to be in that division so they will have games against equally skilled teams. They are the towns that are not looking to be in div 2 and beat up on everyone . By entering into the "A" div. they are making their second and third teams that should be balanced weaker teams. You will most likely find them in div 2 and 3. Most towns will have a large drop off from the "A" team to their second team and so on. in the rare instance that the second team is strong that town should place that team into div 1. Is it a perfect system ..... Only if the directors control the crazy coaches that want to stack teams and put them in div 2 to beat up on everyone. Since NCPAL is now on the Horizon system. They have computer printouts of last years team records. Now they can look at a teams record from last year and see if they pounded everyone they played. Now they can ignore the coaches request to stay in that lower division and move them up to the higher division where they belong. You should see an improvement this year. As a director in my town I request a team be moved down if they only have 2 wins and move them up if they have 2 losses.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NCPAL is run on the honor system.... with that said many are not honorable.....
The boys towns that put "A" teams into the 5&6th grade divisions will only play against "A" teams . They all request to be in that division so they will have games against equally skilled teams. They are the towns that are not looking to be in div 2 and beat up on everyone . By entering into the "A" div. they are making their second and third teams that should be balanced weaker teams. You will most likely find them in div 2 and 3. Most towns will have a large drop off from the "A" team to their second team and so on. in the rare instance that the second team is strong that town should place that team into div 1. Is it a perfect system ..... Only if the directors control the crazy coaches that want to stack teams and put them in div 2 to beat up on everyone. Since NCPAL is now on the Horizon system. They have computer printouts of last years team records. Now they can look at a teams record from last year and see if they pounded everyone they played. Now they can ignore the coaches request to stay in that lower division and move them up to the higher division where they belong. You should see an improvement this year. As a director in my town I request a team be moved down if they only have 2 wins and move them up if they have 2 losses.


That is a bunch of junk. PAL has required the boys directors to report the scores for years. Nothing is going to change. If you're director is a member of the good old boy network, you get to do whatever you want with your teams. If he is not, you are out of luck!

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NCPAL is run on the honor system.... with that said many are not honorable.....
The boys towns that put "A" teams into the 5&6th grade divisions will only play against "A" teams . They all request to be in that division so they will have games against equally skilled teams. They are the towns that are not looking to be in div 2 and beat up on everyone . By entering into the "A" div. they are making their second and third teams that should be balanced weaker teams. You will most likely find them in div 2 and 3. Most towns will have a large drop off from the "A" team to their second team and so on. in the rare instance that the second team is strong that town should place that team into div 1. Is it a perfect system ..... Only if the directors control the crazy coaches that want to stack teams and put them in div 2 to beat up on everyone. Since NCPAL is now on the Horizon system. They have computer printouts of last years team records. Now they can look at a teams record from last year and see if they pounded everyone they played. Now they can ignore the coaches request to stay in that lower division and move them up to the higher division where they belong. You should see an improvement this year. As a director in my town I request a team be moved down if they only have 2 wins and move them up if they have 2 losses.


Honor System??

Three Village was sending "A" teams to beat up on everyone for years. I guess they are one of the leagues that you term not honorable.

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NCPAL is run on the honor system.... with that said many are not honorable.....
The boys towns that put "A" teams into the 5&6th grade divisions will only play against "A" teams . They all request to be in that division so they will have games against equally skilled teams. They are the towns that are not looking to be in div 2 and beat up on everyone . By entering into the "A" div. they are making their second and third teams that should be balanced weaker teams. You will most likely find them in div 2 and 3. Most towns will have a large drop off from the "A" team to their second team and so on. in the rare instance that the second team is strong that town should place that team into div 1. Is it a perfect system ..... Only if the directors control the crazy coaches that want to stack teams and put them in div 2 to beat up on everyone. Since NCPAL is now on the Horizon system. They have computer printouts of last years team records. Now they can look at a teams record from last year and see if they pounded everyone they played. Now they can ignore the coaches request to stay in that lower division and move them up to the higher division where they belong. You should see an improvement this year. As a director in my town I request a team be moved down if they only have 2 wins and move them up if they have 2 losses.


That is a bunch of junk. PAL has required the boys directors to report the scores for years. Nothing is going to change. If you're director is a member of the good old boy network, you get to do whatever you want with your teams. If he is not, you are out of luck!


Hahaha 'Good Old Boy Network'.....Isn't that the truth - Isn't it a shame that the PAL runs with their own set of politics, rules and bylaws. (But only if it benefits certain parties) If you are not in, you are out. What would benefit the kids of Long Island that much more would be if the PAL disbands, and USLacrosse comes in and runs a full Long Island League with their national set of recognized rules and regulations. Its done here on LI with Hockey and Soccer, why not Lacrosse??

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