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Wow that would be interesting. I bet she would love access to their fields and field house for other things if you know what I mean. Would get her one of the top known schools with the top known club.

cut the gap = leap frogged

Again you keep bringing her personal integrity, resume etc into this. Clearly not my point. My point quite simply is her "handlers" for lack of a better word are using politics and fear to discriminate against other players both older and younger. When players are put into these situations and the adults do not listen to the masses then the players feel a sense of entitlement only to be devastated in college when Daddy isn't there to make it all better. I wish only the best for these athletes and hope the adults gain the wisdom to guide them. [/quoteYou site her bio /resume. That only looks as good as it does because of the pressure her father/coach put on Carol, the school district. I don't know the girl, But I do know teammates, and when away from certain influences they tell a less Kumbya tale of what really happens at E.S.M.

Powder , congrats to your daughter, If your guessing who I am e-mail cage he'll let you know

Considering Carol Rose is such a terrible coach and TG has now leap frogged YJ I will take the schools the most recent kids are going to for YJ over TG, both lacrosse wise and academically.7 YJ 2016 going to top 30 academic schools with all 11 so far going to programs in the top 90 compared to zero top 30 and 2 top 90 academically for TG. 9 YJ 2016 going to top ten ranked lacrosse program , 2 for TG. Say what you want but Carol Rose is getting kids placed at some great schools.

I hear that's true also. There are kids on the C team that are not there because they are c players. They are just as good if not better than the kids on the a and b teams. Couldn't bring themselves to move anybody to make room for them.

The fact is that the 2014 goalie played up to 2013 because there were not enough goalies in that 2013 age group originally to field all the teams. The 2015 goalie was never NEEDED in the 2014 age group as there were enough goalies playing YJ in that age group from the start. She should have played age appropriate in her own age group from the start and used her talents in that age group. Why have her play up and cause problems in a different age group than her own and not help her own age group? Her playing ability or her character are irrelevant. It never made any sense to me. Seems there were unknown connections at work behind the scenes.

Lol....now that's funny!

In Powder, We Trust.

Then powder you obviously do not have a kid in the younger age group, cage you are obviously close w the TG upper management ask if an email was ever sent to the younger group advising them to stay off of BOC.To those of you who feel you are a better judge of a goalies ability then multiple division 1 lacrosse programs get a clue. The Notre Dame coaching staff and many other D1 programs do not give a damn who her dad is and yet still thought worthy of a D 1 scholorship. What excuse do you come up with that these coaches were willing to spend what amounts to over a 100,000 dollars in money to get her. Must be brutal to live a life where you need to tear others down to make yourself feel better.

I'm also a TG parent, and have never seen such an email, from Bill

Just send us a copy of the e-mail. BOTC will handle the rest.

so true no kumbya here

The fact that she got the $100,00.00 offer is a direct result of her father/coach using leverage to put his daughter in an advantageous position to be seen by the very coach you praise as being smarter than the rest of us. On an even playing field I will say that the top 10 L.I. girls goalies are a push, some better than others at one thing, but not as good at another. The only real difference is how each girl is presented to the coaches, and who gets the spotlight, and who has to work to get there

The topic of 1 specific player, is disgraceful. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Although, a name has not been mentioned we all know who you are talking about. In the end, remember they are all still just children!!

Welcome to the world of high school sports, its all political. Get used to it. I have a list a mile long of parents who have CR on speed dial, kids who don't show up to tryouts because they already have a spot (1st year players included), 1st year players who were already guaranteed a spot. I could go on and on. The fact is if your child has what it takes they will get noticed!!!

"It's not what you know, but who you know"

The topic ends here. All subsequent posts on this subject will be deleted.

Next topic please.

The players were always complimented and spoken of very highly. There is nothing to be ashamed of. This topic was about the coaches and the adults.

I don't think comparing the colleges these girls picked can justify what club team is better. After TG 2016s won the U15 National Tournament this past summer, these kids were bombarded with offers to play top 10 Div. 1 lacrosse. Many of them declined these schools to go to a school better suited for their needs. These kids should be going to college AND playing lacrosse, not going TO play lacrosse. So its not all about going to the top lacrosse schools. Some of these girls are getting much more scholastic money and will get much more playing time at the schools they chose. I'm happy for TG and YJ girls and the schools they picked. They are all fortunate there are so many options for them all.

That's why I put up the schools national rankings and not just their lax rankings and the schools TG have selected are not really that close to the YJ schools thus far. Stop diminishing the role your 2015 players had in your national championship , one of which was the best player at the tournament and was the difference in 3 of your games. You are 0-4 against YJ 2016 in the past year. As a matter of fact I believe you have never beaten YJ, Skywalkers, Heroes, or steps without the help of your 2015 players. As far as all the offers after your U15 tournament , what was there 5 coaches there, not exactly a big recruiting tourney.

Hey YJ guy why do you keep bringing this up?? the TopGuns won the U-15 fair and square..get over it already.. birth certificates were collected by US Lacrosse, we've all been down this road...

Who really knows why a kid chooses to commit to a school, are there the "chosen ones" who get full rides to the best of the best?? yup. most others find the middle ground and try to get the best of both worlds. I am aware of most of the YJ players and know some well, there is no question about their lax skill, they are awesome. I smile every time another 2016 commits and I wish them all the best.

too bad there are no "like " buttons on BOTC

Hey TG guy I actually did not bring it up and no one said TG did not win the U15 national championship. The issue is you and your TG buddies cannot understand the distinction between U15 and 2016. To claim your 2016 TG team won the national championship is just incorrect, you want to claim to be part of the U15 championship team go ahead you have earned it, just don't claim to be the best 2016 team on long island because YJ has earned that.When you and your buddies claim to be the best 2016 team in the country you degrade teams like Skywalkers, Heroes,Steps and YJ who have worked hard to beat you each time they have played your 2016 team.

Don't leave out the YF 2017 verbal.

GREAT POST

How about the 2017 YJ who just verbally committed, WOW.

To??

2017 To Florida and other 2017's with offers.

YJ 4-0 vs TG 2016 enough said. TG looked bad at Rivalry with Smith at the helm. In front of 100 coaches!! YJ 2016 kids much better and it's apparent now by the 12 commits and more coming.

Thanks for the info. Feel better?

TG guy here.. let me take your points one at a time;
- we both agree the TG U-15 team beat the YJ U-15 team, both teams were comprised of mostly 2016 players with each team having at at least one 2015 player on it. ( as a side note I am aware of a YJ 2015 player who missed the cut off date by 1 day or she would have gone down to Fla. and that would have been her third trip to the U-15 championships) So I am pretty sure YJ would have brought more 2015's if they could.
-The best 2016 team on LI is ....I agree with you I think your team has great speed at all positions, great dodgers and shooters on offense, plays a great team defense and real good coaching.
-I read the BOC just about everyday, and Im not sure I ever saw anyone say or claim that the TG 2016 team was the best in the country, I'm guessing after the U-15 tournament there was some chest thumping about the TG win... making reference to a "2016" win when it should have been a "U-15" win
- regarding the 2017 commit, all I can say is WOW. She must be some kind of awesome player. Keep up the good work kid!

As a disinterested parent from Maryland with a daughter who plays on one of the top 2016 clubs, I can say, unequivocally, the 2016 YJs is BY FAR, the best team in the country. No offense to the TGs but your 2016 team is just OK. Thought I would share that....now get back to ridiculing each other and arguing over the athletic exploits of 15 year old girls. Stay classy LI!

That Cabell Maddux is a Maryland coach running a dysfunctional Maryland program. Real classy MD.......lol

What in goodness sakes does Cabell Maddux have to do with a Maryland poster on the girls side asserting that the 2016 Yellow Jackets are a top flight team?

Nothing...
It's a ridiculous comment to mirror the MD posters ridiculous "classy" comment. Ill explain.
Discussing girls club lax doesn't make LI classless as much as Cabell Maddux doesn't make MD classless. That's all

Nothing I guess someone is very sensitive to the original poster's sign off "Stay classy LI!"

There was an interesting program on HBO last night that talked about parents and sports. STATE IF PLAY...TROPHY KIDS. Some of you should watch this.

Bill O'reilly has a show on Fox called the NO SPIN ZONE. Its about trying to stick to a certain topic without spinning off into some emotional fact less twighlight zone of a conversation. Some of you should watch this too.

That was a very powerful documentary last night...at times I just wanted to reach thru the screen and smack one of those parents, especially the father of the football player. I am sure these people are the extreme but this seems to me to be a rampant problem in youth sports. When I read some of the posts on the BOC forum you can see this attitude is not going away...

I think its time for your meds.

There was a father who actually quit his job in order to dedicate himself to his son's pursuit of a Division I Scholarship.

Just pause for a moment and reflect on the economic realities of this. Imagine the implications of actually getting that scholarship - or none at all.

This HBO Sports production at times seemed staged, but producer Peter Berg insists that is not the case - everything you are seeing in the documentary is absolute truth.