US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Conflicts! When HS Coaches Incorporate Summer Tournament Teams in Town

Teachers should never tutor their own students for a cash payment; such sessions are called extra help.

It is unethical for the same teacher to take cash from one of their own students for additional instruction. This is why you will find that most teachers will give a family a referral to another instructor for out-of-hours assistance.

Kind of like the lacrosse coach saying you have to pay to be on my summer team, and if you don't... same unethical situation.

Thank You!

What HS teams look to be dominate this fall? I cant wait for the Shoreham tournament!! WM will be fun to watch!!Northport,Smithtown East and West. Will West I reload this year?

My son only plays for Northport and it's a wonderful experience. Gelling together as a team, local practices, just a few hundred dollars instead of a few thousand for summer ball alone! When you have a program that works why change it. In UMASS they were undefeated against all of the elite travel teams and the state team of NH! Pretty impressive to say the least. We have remarkable college commitments from playing in your home town. Let's Go Tigers!

...and Northport has a lot of drama and politics as well. XYZ player trains with ABC coach so he is brought onto varsity.

That used to be the story at Smithtown as well, only now it's turned into a money grab like all the rest. 1,400 for season, outrageous!!!!

Preseason is out. Smithtown west ranked 1 followed by WM then Stown east.

Same story over and over. Sure it works great for about 12-15 of the top players. The rest of the kids get passed over, limited play time in season an in the summer. Can't get looks from college's cause coaches keep playing the same kids even in summer. Blah blah blah... Surely there are 40 kids who play for NP. Many of those kids who are not in the top 15 could get plenty of play time and exposure from and outside club. Maybe earn a spot a great D3 program. But hey, then one of the parents of the top 15 kids wouldn't be able to come on here and crow about beating travel teams...

How dare you not support the A-- H---s kid who happens to be a stud? You must be loyal, you must follow what they say, if you don't you will not play....

They don't want you to do anything their kid is not doing because your kid could improve. If they control everything and everyone does the same thing and has the same coaching there will be very little change to the depth chart.

Do what you can to kelp your son. Maybe it is playing on the town team maybe it is playing for a club team maybe it is going to clinics and private lessons to prepare for the Showcase events.

good luck to all.

And yes, it is a conflict of interest!

West Islip will be solid this year, but I think the Smithtown schools are the class of Class A in suffolk this year. Ward Melville graduated too many key players. kwurbh

Where can you see the pre-season ranking?

Here you go:



2014 Pre-Season Seeds -



1. Smithtown West

2. Ward Melville

3. Smithtown East

4. Sachem North

5. Northport

6. West Islip

7. Bay Shore

8. Connetquot

9. Half Hollow Hills West

10. Sachem East

11. Riverhead

12. Middle Country

13. Pat-Med

14. Hauppague

15. Walt Whitman

16. Half Hollow Hills East

17. East Islip

18. Lindenhurst

19. William Floyd

20. Commack

21. Longwood

22. North Babylon

23. West Babylon

24. Copiague

25. Deer park

26. Brentwood

Has as much relevance as pre-season college football polls. Doesn't really affect schedule as top 12 teams play each other anyway. Can be relevant to team ranked 12-18 where they have easier path to the playoffs , but they usually are exposed against the better teams. So pretty much same as usual in Suffolk "A".

An how about the HS coach who wear their Club Team's jacket and sweat pants to practice every day?

No different...

How do AD's and schools let them get away with this? Imagine if the math teacher came to school every day wearing a T-Shirt that advertised their Tutoring Company.

Cage, would like your opinion.

Yesterday at Hofstra there was a "Hofstra Committed Team" do you see this as the beginning of a trend?

Will or have other Schools entered Tournaments with their recruits?

What will the HS/Town Programs say ?

BOTC does not have any information about the Hofstra event from November 10th aside from what we saw on their web site in preparing this response. We do not have any information about the teams or schedules that participated.

Given that we have never seen a collegiate recruiting event pull together their future individual recruits into a single team, it would be difficult to categorize such as a trend. Without NLIs in place, it is unclear where such teams would stand in the eyes of the NCAA - and without more information, we cannot draw any conclusions.

I was at Hoftsra and my son's team played "Be the Best" Most kids were from St. A and Chaminade. The face off kid was Hoftsra commtitted. Is this the team you are talking about? Also the trend of "Team Hopping" is becoming big. Many good players are doing it. There is a team going to the Mt. Sinai Tourney in a few weeks consisting of committed kids from several other teams. I think we will see this trend continue. I know some kids that currently play for 4+ teams. Even at the 6th grade level it is happening where some Crush players play for Dune Dawgs when they are available. Not sure if this is wise. Burns kids out running from game to game trying to get it all in.

"There is a team going to the Mt. Sinai Tourney in a few weeks consisting of committed kids from several other teams."

Do you know what the name of this team is?

Heard they were going in as Jesters.

We call them team whores. Adds an interesting dynamic cause you never know what you're going to get! Coaches get crazy, and think "If I only had a sick lefty attack for this Tourney" or " If we could win face offs, we could gain that edge" So they ask kids to do guest gigs at no or little coast. This hurts the kids who are actually on the team!

These are not leagues or even teams - they are group of kids playing under a name at a particular time, it is not like a Huntington kid showing up for a Plainview PAL game, they have rules against it and that is cheating. Or a kid from Oceanside playing a JV game for Long Beach, again, rules and cheating.

In the fall you play with whomever you can get and whomever shows up. you have school football and soccer to deal with as well as injuries,individual showcases, town teams and travel team conflicts. Everybody is scrambling to field a team and of course if you are short you are going to try and get the best player you can and also fill the positions that you need.

"Be the Best" is mostly Chaminade
"Team Dutch" at Hofstra was a team of all Hofstra recruits/commits

Why was Be The Best face off kid who is committed to Hofstra on Team Dutch?

Same old story.
There is a new Lacrosse team every year - waiting for someone to start a team with an honest name like - DEAD PRESIDENTS !!!

Funny story.
I went out to get my paper this morning and found my neighbor Dalton instead.

He was slumped on my stoop, looking as though he'd slept under a marching band. His eyes sported five-pound bags, his right hand was bandaged and bloody, and his face was sunk like a bad soufflé.

"My God!" I said. "What happened to you? You look like a 20-car funeral!"

"Youth lacrosse happened to me," he grumbled. "The Competitive Elite Lacrosse League. My little Ashley made one of those 'travel teams.' Pray it never happens to you, dude."

He explained. "See, I really never thought Ashley was all that hot at lacrosse, and she's only 14. But when she made this competitive team, all the parents said it was a big honor. They said it's the only way to make your high school varsity, and it's the road to a scholarship, and it looks great on your résumé.

"I'm not even sure Ashley wanted to do it. But all of her friends made it, so she just had to do it.

What was I gonna do? Tell my little girl no?

"Next thing you know, I'm writing a check for $1,500. Then it turns out, they practice or play seven days a week on these things. And it's clear across town, so pretty soon I'm standing on the sidelines every day of the week.

"My wife can't do it 'cause she has to take Justin to hockey every day. Why an eight-year-old nearsighted kid needs a 42-game schedule is beyond me. What is he, Wayne Gretzky? Plus there's pylon camp and forecheck camp and backward-skating lessons with his personal coach, Hans.

"So pretty soon I got no life. Family dinners? Forget it. Every meal is in the car--righthanded Taco Bell. I almost never see my wife awake. When I do, I have to ask for I.D.

"Then this lunatic lacrosse coach schedules an extra 6 a.m. practice every day. It's like the old bottle-feeding days. I'd be like, 'I got her last time. You get her.' And Denise would moan, 'I had to stay up for Midnight Madness last night. Your turn.' Then, at night Ashley is so tired, we end up doing her dang homework! And we're gettin' C's!

"Anyway, Ashley and I started flying to all these stupid tournaments--Dallas and Baltimore and, my ez92r3God, Ottawa!--and every one is billed as 'the recruiting event of the year!' And do you know who we see at these tournaments? The same damn girls we used to play in our neighborhood league!

Essentially, we're flying across the country to get our [lacrosse] kicked by the same exact people!

"So I start talking to these girls' parents, and it turns out they don't really want to be there either, but their kids were saying we were going to do it, so they had to!

"But then my wife gets to talking to some other moms at Justin's slap shot workshop, and they say we're crazy if we don't have a 'performance-enhancement specialist' for our kids. So she signs them both up with one. Then she finds out most of these girls have 'recruiting consultants' who make highlight reels of kids and send them to college coaches.

I'm like, 'She's 14!' And my wife is like, 'You're gonna tell our little girl no?' Then we add a rating-service guy and a sports psychologist and a webmaster.

"Well, what with me working half time and all this crap I'm paying for and all these trips, I had to take out a second mortgage. Denise can't work because she's spending every waking moment in a freezing ice rink, which makes her joints stiffen up. Luckily, Hans knows some New Age massage technique that makes her feel better.

"So now I'm getting no sleep, turning my stomach into a Dumpster and having less sex than a dead monk. But before I can put my foot down, my boss does. He fires me! And as he's firing me, he adds, 'By the way, the average lacrosse scholarship is $1,000, you [lacrosse]!' So I punch him, and now I think my hand might be broken.

"I stomp out and go find Ashley to say, 'It's over.' And she goes, 'Whatever. I quit today anyway. My sports psychologist says you guys push me too hard.'

"Nice. So I go home to tell Denise, but she's not there. Three days go by. I figure she's at the Elite

Competitive Hockeypalooza in Cheyenne. Turns out she moved in with Hans. Says she wants to be with someone who 'knows' her. Oh, and she really likes massages.

"So now I get home and somebody changed the locks! Probably the mortgage company, since I'm way behind.

"And do you know what I learned from all this, man? I learned that the most viciously competitive sport in the world is parenting.

"Anyway, what I wanted to ask you is--you wanna buy some lacrosse sticks?"

So thats where my wife has been. Sleeping with Hans

Anyone have any insight into Tom Rotanz being shown the door out in Shoreham-Wading River ? Will this affect his H.S. showcase event at Farmingdale ? Seemed like a decent guy the few times I met him. Maybe he will wind up on Rocky Point or another school as assistant. SWR loss.

He should cash in on his experience and do the club route. I would move my son off his current club to be coached by him. He'll draw in good talent because of where he is. Only real talent competition is from TLI. BTW - there is article on inside lax about it.

Would be even better if he was Head Coach of Rocky Point !

Several articles have been posted in the last 72 hours regarding this move by the Shoreham-Wading River school district.

From the Riverhead News-Times

Article Link : Lacrosse Legend Out after 19 years as SWR Coach

For the first time in nearly 20 years, Tom Rotanz won’t be on the sidelines with the Shoreham-Wading River varsity boys lacrosse team this spring.

Superintendent Steven Cohen confirmed Tuesday night he will not recommend Mr. Rotanz to be reinstated as coach and said the district has posted the position and other coaching jobs in the district as available.

Welcome to the world of helicopter parents. Instead of teaching your kids valuable lessons like: commitment, hard work, dedication and loyalty, its easier to tell them they are better then they are, they deserve more than they should and if it is not working for them - mommy and daddy will fix it for you.

Tom Rotanz is a great guy and this is complete BS.

Should send that quote to the Three Village Board.

How about youth lacrosse program running fundraisers for the local HS lax program? The HS coach already runs the summer "committed" team program and now parents are urged to further support his HS team at a fundraiser ostensibly organized by the unaffiliated youth program. Sure the youth program "volunteer" organizers are hoping to get lots of brownie points with the coach for setting this up.

Any hints to what town you are refering to ?

which quote are you refering too.

Stop... it's not about the money. It's all about the kids.

Now that's a good one....

GC