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Why does PIAA lacrosse only have 2 divisions (AA & AAA)?

Because there are not as many lacrosse programs around the State. Probably should only have 1 still, as AA has been a joke aside from maybe 1 or 2 schools a year.

Not sure it is very competitive if you have schools with attendance of 300 boys playing schools with attendance of 700 boys. I’d say the top 5 schools in AA could hang with almost all the AAA schools but they are the exception.

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Huh? Marple is a good team, who seems to not match up well against Springfield but they did happen to beat Radnor last year. Rustin is decent but would probably finish in the middle of the Central League. Shanahan has been awful recently after a few years of dominance, but I am not sure why Penncrest or Devon Prep would even be mentioned. To your point about enrollment, the best 2 public schools from AAA are Springfield and Radnor, which have chosen to stay in AAA even if their enrollment would fit into AA. Enrollment is certainly not as important as other aspects of building a consistently strong program.

Marple could have legitimately won the AAA crown. Rustin has been consistent and is coached very well. Shanahan finished second in the Chesmont behind DTOWN East last year and ran into a very good Rustin team in the District playoffs. Otherwise they were one of the better AA teams in the state. Penncrest was okay last year but young and Devon had a pretty good team but again they only have about 300 boys in the school. The classification should be:
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AAA-625 AND UP

There are programs that teeter around 500 students that are good but will never be able to compete with schools that have 700 kids and there starting lineup is almost all seniors. There is no way to have the depth. Also, it is a safety issue at that point. New Hope-Solebury has about 175 boys, how are they going to compete with West Chester East who has 490 boys on a consistent basis.

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GA is really bad but they are aggressively turning around their program. They have facilities, coaching and money, just need the commits. My son is a 30 and already being recruited by several schools. Lasalle is the best of them, but GA and SCH are the most interesting. The idea of riding the bench for 3 years at Lasalle isn’t very appealing to him. Everyone on the Lasalle roster plays for the GA coach’s club which is really weird.

Maybe they want to go to a Catholic school. Not a hard decision.

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your son is being recruited by all these schools and you still think he’ll ride bench for 3yrs at Lasalle?? your kid aint as good as you think.

LaSalle doesn't recruit. They don't need to, they have 1200 boys and a quality lacrosse program every year which does not court 7th graders. This "dad" is full if it.

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Big money making its way down to high school it’s not going to play out well

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Why does PIAA lacrosse only have 2 divisions (AA & AAA)?

Because there are not as many lacrosse programs around the State. Probably should only have 1 still, as AA has been a joke aside from maybe 1 or 2 schools a year.

Not sure it is very competitive if you have schools with attendance of 300 boys playing schools with attendance of 700 boys. I’d say the top 5 schools in AA could hang with almost all the AAA schools but they are the exception.

Marple
Rustin
Shanahan
Penn Crest
Devon Prep

Huh? Marple is a good team, who seems to not match up well against Springfield but they did happen to beat Radnor last year. Rustin is decent but would probably finish in the middle of the Central League. Shanahan has been awful recently after a few years of dominance, but I am not sure why Penncrest or Devon Prep would even be mentioned. To your point about enrollment, the best 2 public schools from AAA are Springfield and Radnor, which have chosen to stay in AAA even if their enrollment would fit into AA. Enrollment is certainly not as important as other aspects of building a consistently strong program.

Marple could have legitimately won the AAA crown. Rustin has been consistent and is coached very well. Shanahan finished second in the Chesmont behind DTOWN East last year and ran into a very good Rustin team in the District playoffs. Otherwise they were one of the better AA teams in the state. Penncrest was okay last year but young and Devon had a pretty good team but again they only have about 300 boys in the school. The classification should be:
A- 0-450
AA-450-625
AAA-625 AND UP

There are programs that teeter around 500 students that are good but will never be able to compete with schools that have 700 kids and there starting lineup is almost all seniors. There is no way to have the depth. Also, it is a safety issue at that point. New Hope-Solebury has about 175 boys, how are they going to compete with West Chester East who has 490 boys on a consistent basis.

Marple did get pasted by Springfield and also lost to Garnet Valley, but otherwise, they obviously can play with most of the other AAA programs. Shanahan, however, finishing 2nd in the Chesmont does not show that they can play with the upper tier of AAA. D East lost 13-1 when they played Springfield last year.

Enrollment obviously plays a part, especially with the very small public schools throughout the State, but when you can recruit from outside your zip code, all of the enrollment numbers should be thrown out. (Look at the Inter-Ac schools as an example) And when Springfield won the last single Class Championship, they started the next year in AA. My point is that there are so many more factors that play a part into building a lacrosse program than just enrollment. Safety issue? Come on...maybe the teams with smaller enrollment can spend more time in the weight room.

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your son is being recruited by all these schools and you still think he’ll ride bench for 3yrs at Lasalle?? your kid aint as good as you think.

LaSalle doesn't recruit. They don't need to, they have 1200 boys and a quality lacrosse program every year which does not court 7th graders. This "dad" is full if it.

100% LaSalle recruits. My son had a full convo with RF about going to LaSalle and where he saw him fit. And I know of at least two others that had the same conversation with them. They also have clinics - those arent just for fundraising.

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Some serious recruiting. Hey kid you look like a mid fielder.

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your son is being recruited by all these schools and you still think he’ll ride bench for 3yrs at Lasalle?? your kid aint as good as you think.

LaSalle doesn't recruit. They don't need to, they have 1200 boys and a quality lacrosse program every year which does not court 7th graders. This "dad" is full if it.

100% LaSalle recruits. My son had a full convo with RF about going to LaSalle and where he saw him fit. And I know of at least two others that had the same conversation with them. They also have clinics - those arent just for fundraising.

To say that LaSalle doesnt recruit is hilarious. Almost all top programs recruit to some degree. Timing and needs are the biggest factors.

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Every good program recruits, heck. I know Springfield recruits, they have to. Otherwise, kids will look to inter-ac and/or private…
Anyone that mentions “safety” as an issue when discussing HS lax is ridiculous.

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your son is being recruited by all these schools and you still think he’ll ride bench for 3yrs at Lasalle?? your kid aint as good as you think.

LaSalle doesn't recruit. They don't need to, they have 1200 boys and a quality lacrosse program every year which does not court 7th graders. This "dad" is full if it.

100% LaSalle recruits. My son had a full convo with RF about going to LaSalle and where he saw him fit. And I know of at least two others that had the same conversation with them. They also have clinics - those arent just for fundraising.

To say that LaSalle doesnt recruit is hilarious. Almost all top programs recruit to some degree. Timing and needs are the biggest factors.

If a kid goes to St Basil and is looking at Catholic high schools and Lasalle talks to them about attending…..that is not recruiting.

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Why does PIAA lacrosse only have 2 divisions (AA & AAA)?

Because there are not as many lacrosse programs around the State. Probably should only have 1 still, as AA has been a joke aside from maybe 1 or 2 schools a year.

Not sure it is very competitive if you have schools with attendance of 300 boys playing schools with attendance of 700 boys. I’d say the top 5 schools in AA could hang with almost all the AAA schools but they are the exception.

Marple
Rustin
Shanahan
Penn Crest
Devon Prep

Huh? Marple is a good team, who seems to not match up well against Springfield but they did happen to beat Radnor last year. Rustin is decent but would probably finish in the middle of the Central League. Shanahan has been awful recently after a few years of dominance, but I am not sure why Penncrest or Devon Prep would even be mentioned. To your point about enrollment, the best 2 public schools from AAA are Springfield and Radnor, which have chosen to stay in AAA even if their enrollment would fit into AA. Enrollment is certainly not as important as other aspects of building a consistently strong program.

Marple could have legitimately won the AAA crown. Rustin has been consistent and is coached very well. Shanahan finished second in the Chesmont behind DTOWN East last year and ran into a very good Rustin team in the District playoffs. Otherwise they were one of the better AA teams in the state. Penncrest was okay last year but young and Devon had a pretty good team but again they only have about 300 boys in the school. The classification should be:
A- 0-450
AA-450-625
AAA-625 AND UP

There are programs that teeter around 500 students that are good but will never be able to compete with schools that have 700 kids and there starting lineup is almost all seniors. There is no way to have the depth. Also, it is a safety issue at that point. New Hope-Solebury has about 175 boys, how are they going to compete with West Chester East who has 490 boys on a consistent basis.

Marple did get pasted by Springfield and also lost to Garnet Valley, but otherwise, they obviously can play with most of the other AAA programs. Shanahan, however, finishing 2nd in the Chesmont does not show that they can play with the upper tier of AAA. D East lost 13-1 when they played Springfield last year.

Enrollment obviously plays a part, especially with the very small public schools throughout the State, but when you can recruit from outside your zip code, all of the enrollment numbers should be thrown out. (Look at the Inter-Ac schools as an example) And when Springfield won the last single Class Championship, they started the next year in AA. My point is that there are so many more factors that play a part into building a lacrosse program than just enrollment. Safety issue? Come on...maybe the teams with smaller enrollment can spend more time in the weight room.


Really? Hit the weight room? If you have 3 times the amount of athletes to build a team around, it is a huge advantage. Also, playing freshman and sophomore players against 18 year olds is a decided advantage physically for the teams with more upperclassmen.

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We’ve been in discussions with the Dukes program for years—the director has been recruiting us pretty persistently. A big part of their pitch is the connection to LaSalle. They position themselves as a feeder program for LaSalle and emphasize their ability to get kids in front of the LaSalle head coach.

The SCH head coach has had multiple conversations with us, and we’ve heard good things about their program but he said club doesn’t matter. As for PC/GA, we haven’t had direct contact with the coach yet, just conversations with parents close to the program. We live close to all four schools.

One thing that’s given me pause is hearing from some La Salle parents. They’ve shared that their sons didn’t really see significant playing time until junior year, which made them rely heavily on their club program to get recruited. How does that work if the club is the “feeder” program.

At this point, we’re trying to weigh our options and make the best decision for our son. Any real insight or advice would be much appreciated!

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We’ve been in discussions with the Dukes program for years—the director has been recruiting us pretty persistently. A big part of their pitch is the connection to LaSalle. They position themselves as a feeder program for LaSalle and emphasize their ability to get kids in front of the LaSalle head coach.

The SCH head coach has had multiple conversations with us, and we’ve heard good things about their program but he said club doesn’t matter. As for PC/GA, we haven’t had direct contact with the coach yet, just conversations with parents close to the program. We live close to all four schools.

One thing that’s given me pause is hearing from some La Salle parents. They’ve shared that their sons didn’t really see significant playing time until junior year, which made them rely heavily on their club program to get recruited. How does that work if the club is the “feeder” program.

At this point, we’re trying to weigh our options and make the best decision for our son. Any real insight or advice would be much appreciated!

First advice, Make sure he is on the older side, Playing time is about your sons skills and who is in front of him, really simple. Keep playing club and ask around for best fit. All schools programs and academics will have some things better or worst than others.

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your son is being recruited by all these schools and you still think he’ll ride bench for 3yrs at Lasalle?? your kid aint as good as you think.

LaSalle doesn't recruit. They don't need to, they have 1200 boys and a quality lacrosse program every year which does not court 7th graders. This "dad" is full if it.

100% LaSalle recruits. My son had a full convo with RF about going to LaSalle and where he saw him fit. And I know of at least two others that had the same conversation with them. They also have clinics - those arent just for fundraising.

To say that LaSalle doesnt recruit is hilarious. Almost all top programs recruit to some degree. Timing and needs are the biggest factors.

If a kid goes to St Basil and is looking at Catholic high schools and Lasalle talks to them about attending…..that is not recruiting.

Stay out of the liquor cabinet and let us grown up talk.

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The top HS coaches connected to club programs,
Including Lasalle/Dukes, couldn’t care less about Club. That’s a fact. If you think RF or JF care about Duke’s, you are wrong. Their BIL coaches, so they’ll hear stories but that’s the extent of it.
As for playing time, play for a good HS, sacrifices have to be made. You play for GA/PC, varsity all 4yrs but you @ChillLaxin. Was it worth it? You think your son will start at Malvern. Or Haverford? SCH is a good program with a good coach but it’s too woke, kids don’t wanna go there.
What other options are there?

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First off SCH is probably better than LaSalle but not as deep because not an all boys school. It depends on your kid if he thrives in competition and wants to play college lacrosse going to the better schools that are deeper in talent will help him more. The practices are much better, etc.

If mentally that will be hard for him to possibly not play right away or till his SR year go to GA or PC but the practices will not be near as good which is how you get better so you need a very strong club program.

Just my 2 cents.

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Why does PIAA lacrosse only have 2 divisions (AA & AAA)?

Because there are not as many lacrosse programs around the State. Probably should only have 1 still, as AA has been a joke aside from maybe 1 or 2 schools a year.

Not sure it is very competitive if you have schools with attendance of 300 boys playing schools with attendance of 700 boys. I’d say the top 5 schools in AA could hang with almost all the AAA schools but they are the exception.

Marple
Rustin
Shanahan
Penn Crest
Devon Prep

Huh? Marple is a good team, who seems to not match up well against Springfield but they did happen to beat Radnor last year. Rustin is decent but would probably finish in the middle of the Central League. Shanahan has been awful recently after a few years of dominance, but I am not sure why Penncrest or Devon Prep would even be mentioned. To your point about enrollment, the best 2 public schools from AAA are Springfield and Radnor, which have chosen to stay in AAA even if their enrollment would fit into AA. Enrollment is certainly not as important as other aspects of building a consistently strong program.

Marple could have legitimately won the AAA crown. Rustin has been consistent and is coached very well. Shanahan finished second in the Chesmont behind DTOWN East last year and ran into a very good Rustin team in the District playoffs. Otherwise they were one of the better AA teams in the state. Penncrest was okay last year but young and Devon had a pretty good team but again they only have about 300 boys in the school. The classification should be:
A- 0-450
AA-450-625
AAA-625 AND UP

There are programs that teeter around 500 students that are good but will never be able to compete with schools that have 700 kids and there starting lineup is almost all seniors. There is no way to have the depth. Also, it is a safety issue at that point. New Hope-Solebury has about 175 boys, how are they going to compete with West Chester East who has 490 boys on a consistent basis.

Marple did get pasted by Springfield and also lost to Garnet Valley, but otherwise, they obviously can play with most of the other AAA programs. Shanahan, however, finishing 2nd in the Chesmont does not show that they can play with the upper tier of AAA. D East lost 13-1 when they played Springfield last year.

Enrollment obviously plays a part, especially with the very small public schools throughout the State, but when you can recruit from outside your zip code, all of the enrollment numbers should be thrown out. (Look at the Inter-Ac schools as an example) And when Springfield won the last single Class Championship, they started the next year in AA. My point is that there are so many more factors that play a part into building a lacrosse program than just enrollment. Safety issue? Come on...maybe the teams with smaller enrollment can spend more time in the weight room.


Really? Hit the weight room? If you have 3 times the amount of athletes to build a team around, it is a huge advantage. Also, playing freshman and sophomore players against 18 year olds is a decided advantage physically for the teams with more upperclassmen.

You would think large schools like Pennsbury, North Penn and Upper Darby would be vying for the State Championship each year...

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Why does PIAA lacrosse only have 2 divisions (AA & AAA)?

Because there are not as many lacrosse programs around the State. Probably should only have 1 still, as AA has been a joke aside from maybe 1 or 2 schools a year.

Not sure it is very competitive if you have schools with attendance of 300 boys playing schools with attendance of 700 boys. I’d say the top 5 schools in AA could hang with almost all the AAA schools but they are the exception.

Marple
Rustin
Shanahan
Penn Crest
Devon Prep

Huh? Marple is a good team, who seems to not match up well against Springfield but they did happen to beat Radnor last year. Rustin is decent but would probably finish in the middle of the Central League. Shanahan has been awful recently after a few years of dominance, but I am not sure why Penncrest or Devon Prep would even be mentioned. To your point about enrollment, the best 2 public schools from AAA are Springfield and Radnor, which have chosen to stay in AAA even if their enrollment would fit into AA. Enrollment is certainly not as important as other aspects of building a consistently strong program.

Marple could have legitimately won the AAA crown. Rustin has been consistent and is coached very well. Shanahan finished second in the Chesmont behind DTOWN East last year and ran into a very good Rustin team in the District playoffs. Otherwise they were one of the better AA teams in the state. Penncrest was okay last year but young and Devon had a pretty good team but again they only have about 300 boys in the school. The classification should be:
A- 0-450
AA-450-625
AAA-625 AND UP

There are programs that teeter around 500 students that are good but will never be able to compete with schools that have 700 kids and there starting lineup is almost all seniors. There is no way to have the depth. Also, it is a safety issue at that point. New Hope-Solebury has about 175 boys, how are they going to compete with West Chester East who has 490 boys on a consistent basis.

Marple did get pasted by Springfield and also lost to Garnet Valley, but otherwise, they obviously can play with most of the other AAA programs. Shanahan, however, finishing 2nd in the Chesmont does not show that they can play with the upper tier of AAA. D East lost 13-1 when they played Springfield last year.

Enrollment obviously plays a part, especially with the very small public schools throughout the State, but when you can recruit from outside your zip code, all of the enrollment numbers should be thrown out. (Look at the Inter-Ac schools as an example) And when Springfield won the last single Class Championship, they started the next year in AA. My point is that there are so many more factors that play a part into building a lacrosse program than just enrollment. Safety issue? Come on...maybe the teams with smaller enrollment can spend more time in the weight room.


Really? Hit the weight room? If you have 3 times the amount of athletes to build a team around, it is a huge advantage. Also, playing freshman and sophomore players against 18 year olds is a decided advantage physically for the teams with more upperclassmen.

You would think large schools like Pennsbury, North Penn and Upper Darby would be vying for the State Championship each year...

I see your point but they also should not be in the same bucket as New Hope, PJP, or Interboro. North Penn has almost 9 times the enrollment that New Hope has. I won't go down this rabbit hole but we know the advantage "holdback" students have over normal aged kids at sports. Now imagine having sophomores play against 18-19 year olds because you have a smaller enrollment to work with.

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Every good program recruits, heck. I know Springfield recruits, they have to. Otherwise, kids will look to inter-ac and/or private…
Anyone that mentions “safety” as an issue when discussing HS lax is ridiculous.

"Recruiting" kids that live in Springfield to stay within the public school system is not what people are referring to...LOL

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As for PC/GA, we haven’t had direct contact with the coach yet, just conversations with parents close to the program

Can you imagine how terrible this is? A bunch of vest-wearing wanna-be Howie Rosman’s holding unsanctioned conversations with potential recruits? Hard Pass. Both are and have been at the bottom of the inter-ac for a reason.

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Recruiting is recruiting big brain. Having a HS coach walk young kids through “how they’ll be positioned and what their future holds within the program” is indeed recruiting.
Perhaps not apples to apples but it’s absolutely done and it’s absolutely affective….sometimes. The dude’s point was simple - every coach, every school, does it.

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“Unsanctioned” conversations—ROTFL. Sounds like you’re new to this.

Let’s be real: how many kids has Malvern Prep’s coach actually seen play before they end up there for a visit? It’s almost always the same story: some booster parents hype up the kid, and by the time the coach gets involved, it’s because a group of parents have already talked the kid into looking at the school. It’s not some perfectly orchestrated scouting process—it’s just parents driving the narrative, and the coach bringing it home

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The Springfield middle school to Springfield High School pipeline is alive and thriving. Incredible recruiting, not sure how they pull it off.

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The Springfield middle school to Springfield High School pipeline is alive and thriving. Incredible recruiting, not sure how they pull it off.

HAHAHA...nothing like being able to offer a full ride to each and every player. wink

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Springfield loses a ton of their top athletes to private schools every year,

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The season is almost upon us. Glory be to Inter-ac Lacrosse. Let’s get a run down of who’s who in the league.

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Springfield loses a ton of their top athletes to private schools every year,

Certainly not very many lacrosse players...

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There’s a reason Springfield hasn’t won a state title in years; a lot of their best township kids are at Malvern, Haverford #Facts

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There’s a reason Springfield hasn’t won a state title in years; a lot of their best township kids are at Malvern, Haverford #Facts

Good point. No kids from the Main Line, West Chester, or Media go to those schools.....only Springfield. Imagine if all the Catholic school kids only went to Pope John Paul, O'Hara, or Shanahan?

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There’s a reason Springfield hasn’t won a state title in years; a lot of their best township kids are at Malvern, Haverford #Facts

That's just a ridiculous statement. Springfield won State Championships in 2016 and 2017, District 1 Championships in '21 and '23 and are in at least the State Semi-Finals almost every year. They have definitely not lost "a lot" of local kids. I can honestly think of one that went to Malvern and one to Haverford (but the family then moved out of Springfield anyway) in the last 5 to 6 years.

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Ain’t nobody trying to hear about Springfield. Let’s get hype on Malvern and Haverford. Who is going to take it home this year?

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Springfield and Radner have great feeder systems. I think West Chester is right behind them but that is divided up into 3 public schools and the private schools in the area.

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Mackrides and The Vern will win the Inter-Ac…easily

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Mackrides and The Vern will win the Inter-Ac…easily

Let’s be honest. The interac is not really a great league. They have two incredible teams in Malvern and Haverford (who recruit all the top talent), a rising Episcopal team, and the rest are not very good.

So when you say, let’s talk about the Interac, you are simply referring to Haverford and Malvern and very few people care other then those parents and some alumni.

IMHO, Malvern has them this year.

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Inter-Ac talk isn’t all MP/Fords. There’s been lots of chatter on here about GA and their ability to lose every game in conference so…

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Mackrides and The Vern will win the Inter-Ac…easily

Let’s be honest. The interac is not really a great league. They have two incredible teams in Malvern and Haverford (who recruit all the top talent), a rising Episcopal team, and the rest are not very good.

So when you say, let’s talk about the Interac, you are simply referring to Haverford and Malvern and very few people care other then those parents and some alumni.

IMHO, Malvern has them this year.

Ok you probably said that the last 2 years also. Every year Malvern is picked to win it.

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Malvern S. U. C. K. S

Haverford B. L. O. W. S


Does EA still have that open letter posted in the internet with all their gripes about their A.D?

Please let’s chat about something other than interac. Maybe the moderator can create a separate thread for interac?

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SCH is good also GA and PC are not, but just to be clear the worst interac school could beat the socks off most public schools. All of them produce multiple D1 athletes every year regardless of record

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern S. U. C. K. S

Haverford B. L. O. W. S


Does EA still have that open letter posted in the internet with all their gripes about their A.D?

Please let’s chat about something other than interac. Maybe the moderator can create a separate thread for interac?

What do we talk about? PIAA who does not even use a shot clock? LaSalle choking? Springfield underachieving? Radnor who overachieves in PIAA? I think just summed it all up. Are there any other teams to talk about in PIAA? Unless those 3 teams are playing each other there is nothing to talk about PIAA is a mess.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
SCH is good also GA and PC are not, but just to be clear the worst interac school could beat the socks off most public schools. All of them produce multiple D1 athletes every year regardless of record

GA and Penn Charter would definitely be in the lower tier of the Central League.

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