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That is totally not true as far as an athlete getting hurt and losing their scholarship. Probably every division 1 & 2 university will have an athlete who suffers a season ending injury. They do not lose their athletic scholarship if they get hurt!
If the injury occurs during the season covered by the athlete's contract, your athletic award will be guaranteed. However, if you are not capable of playing when the next player agreement is signed, you will likely have the athletic scholarship money pulled.

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My daughter is a YJ 2014 and between athletic and academic, which are roughly equal, she will get about 92% of her tuition paid for, so please don't say it can't happen. And the school she is attending is a top-ranked school (top 10%) for placing students in graduate school. So please don't make gross generalizations about individual situations.


I think the point being made is what some call the "Woodstock Phenomenon"--meaning the number of people who claimed to go far exceeds the number who actually went. So when the moderator hears so many almost 100% "free rides" for lacrosse he knows it is not the case. The moderator wants to be far and educate those who have athletes
that want to pursue lacrosse at the collegiate level. All the moderator is saying is that what is usually a good financial package consists of many components, one of which is an athletic scholarship. The balance of "the package" comes from other tuition assistance.

There are only 12 total scholarship opportunities per team (so 3 per year if even out). The average scholarship, per the NCAA, is 33% of tuition. The balance of money comes from academic and financial needs. So if your athlete gets hurt and can't play they will most likely lose the athletic scholarship because the school will use it for a healthy athlete.

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That is totally not true as far as an athlete getting hurt and losing their scholarship. Probably every division 1 & 2 university will have an athlete who suffers a season ending injury. They do not lose their athletic scholarship if they get hurt!


Not in the current year but a subsequent yes. If the injury was severe enough and limited the players ability in subsequent years the school will not offer a new scholarship. You have to "re-up" each year.

You should check out Sports Illustrated's recent article on college football. While it is light years ahead of women's lacrosse in terms of money, which changes the dynamic quite a bit, but those athletes (Oklahoma State was the featured school) would lose scholarships due "conduct". If you didn't produce, you were let go.

Women's lacrosse is a far cry from men's football. But if the athlete can't perform to what the coach wants they will kill the scholarship so they can use it elsewhere.

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My daughter is a YJ 2014 and between athletic and academic, which are roughly equal, she will get about 92% of her tuition paid for, so please don't say it can't happen. And the school she is attending is a top-ranked school (top 10%) for placing students in graduate school. So please don't make gross generalizations about individual situations.


Big deal, all players from YJ are getting at least that or more at even better colleges.


When you say "all" you mean from their top team. As a whole, from top team to bottom team, it is probably less than 50%. And as the moderator has stated, the financial package is not all athletic scholarship.


It was sarcastic, meant to point out the unrealistic expectations way too many parents of club players have.

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My daughter is a YJ 2014 and between athletic and academic, which are roughly equal, she will get about 92% of her tuition paid for, so please don't say it can't happen. And the school she is attending is a top-ranked school (top 10%) for placing students in graduate school. So please don't make gross generalizations about individual situations.


Big deal, all players from YJ are getting at least that or more at even better colleges.


When you say "all" you mean from their top team. As a whole, from top team to bottom team, it is probably less than 50%. And as the moderator has stated, the financial package is not all athletic scholarship.


It was sarcastic, meant to point out the unrealistic expectations way too many parents of club players have.


Sometimes its hard to tell-- a lot of the comments on these boards are not sarcastic but border on the insane. Thanks for the laugh!

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My daughter is a YJ 2014 and between athletic and academic, which are roughly equal, she will get about 92% of her tuition paid for, so please don't say it can't happen. And the school she is attending is a top-ranked school (top 10%) for placing students in graduate school. So please don't make gross generalizations about individual situations.


I think the point being made is what some call the "Woodstock Phenomenon"--meaning the number of people who claimed to go far exceeds the number who actually went. So when the moderator hears so many almost 100% "free rides" for lacrosse he knows it is not the case. The moderator wants to be far and educate those who have athletes that want to pursue lacrosse at the collegiate level. All the moderator is saying is that what is usually a good financial package consists of many components, one of which is an athletic scholarship. The balance of "the package" comes from other tuition assistance.

There are only 12 total scholarship opportunities per team (so 3 per year if even out). The average scholarship, per the NCAA, is 33% of tuition. The balance of money comes from academic and financial needs. So if your athlete gets hurt and can't play they will most likely lose the athletic scholarship because the school will use it for a healthy athlete.

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Good post by the moderator elsewhere on the website regarding how much college WILL cost you. Check it out.

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Good post by the moderator elsewhere on the website regarding how much college WILL cost you. Check it out.
Thank you for the feedback. The post appears on the BOTC College Forum and can be accessed easily by clicking on the link that follows.

Financing a College Education - Some Hard Numbers

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A YJ parent, a good friend, showed me the breakdown for their daughter's financial package for the U of MI. The lacrosse portion was almost 10% of the aid; the balance was academic, financial assistance based on parent income and the balance was a loan. A good portion of the tuition was paid, but overall the athletic scholarship was 6-7% of the total.


Your are in the wrong place, how dare you post facts! This post is the norm. When you take into account the limited scholorships per year available divided by a class of 6-12
you get a lot of 10 percenters. parents say they got a scholorship but what they dont tell you is thats its $5,000 a year on a $50,000 school. Academics is the way to go EVERY TIME! What you want is a 90% academic, 10% lacrosse and then when the kid realizes that this is an insane amount of lacrosse work just for $5,000 and that they cant keep up academically at a good school with all the sports commitmenats you walk away from sports, keep you 90% and make up the 5% selling italian ices over the summer.

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A YJ parent, a good friend, showed me the breakdown for their daughter's financial package for the U of MI. The lacrosse portion was almost 10% of the aid; the balance was academic, financial assistance based on parent income and the balance was a loan. A good portion of the tuition was paid, but overall the athletic scholarship was 6-7% of the total.


Your are in the wrong place, how dare you post facts! This post is the norm. When you take into account the limited scholorships per year available divided by a class of 6-12
you get a lot of 10 percenters. parents say they got a scholorship but what they dont tell you is thats its $5,000 a year on a $50,000 school. Academics is the way to go EVERY TIME! What you want is a 90% academic, 10% lacrosse and then when the kid realizes that this is an insane amount of lacrosse work just for $5,000 and that they cant keep up academically at a good school with all the sports commitmenats you walk away from sports, keep you 90% and make up the 5% selling italian ices over the summer.


Selling Italian ices? These top flight D1 girls seem to be able to private train kids and groups of kids at $100/hr. Next thing you know they are running camps and clinics grabbing $10k in a weekend. Then starting up a club and really cashing in. Only problem is it will [lacrosse] off CR and she will have all the YJ parents bashing her at every opportunity. See that happen over and over, just hope your daughter doesn't have any lax plans after college that isn't connected to CR, or you can come on here and see her get ripped apart.

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I guess you are right. Trainers are making about $150 per session across multiple sports vs the italian ice girl making $7.50 an an hour before taxes.

So the propoganda is true, screw the academic tutors, pay for personlized athletic training. Get into Sacred Heart for free but then you cant get into medical school but then you can coach summer travel lacrosse? I'm confused LOL

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Better yet, set your kid up to start her own club. $30,000 plus just in tryout fees alone!

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A YJ parent, a good friend, showed me the breakdown for their daughter's financial package for the U of MI. The lacrosse portion was almost 10% of the aid; the balance was academic, financial assistance based on parent income and the balance was a loan. A good portion of the tuition was paid, but overall the athletic scholarship was 6-7% of the total.


Your are in the wrong place, how dare you post facts! This post is the norm. When you take into account the limited scholorships per year available divided by a class of 6-12
you get a lot of 10 percenters. parents say they got a scholorship but what they dont tell you is thats its $5,000 a year on a $50,000 school. Academics is the way to go EVERY TIME! What you want is a 90% academic, 10% lacrosse and then when the kid realizes that this is an insane amount of lacrosse work just for $5,000 and that they cant keep up academically at a good school with all the sports commitmenats you walk away from sports, keep you 90% and make up the 5% selling italian ices over the summer.


You can't split up scholarships in D1. No such thing as 90% academic and 10% lax. It's either athletic OR academic.

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Absolutely not true. My daughter and others I know currently receive both from a top D1 school and has for the past three years.

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Absolutely not true. My daughter and others I know currently receive both from a top D1 school and has for the past three years.


This is true.

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Absolutely not true. My daughter and others I know currently receive both from a top D1 school and has for the past three years.


If any aid is given in addition to athletic money the total amount given to the player is usually deducted from the 12 scholarship total. I'll explain...
Any student-athlete who receives any amount of athletic financial aid is considered a “counter” per NCAA rules.  Once a student-athlete is considered a “counter” there are situations in which other types of financial aid may be required to be “counted” as athletic financial aid.
Any scholarships that a student-athlete will be receiving from groups such as a Rotary or Kiwanis club, a church youth group, or a high school booster club should be sent to the financial aid office of the college the student-athlete is attending so that the scholarship can be processed properly.  In addition, NCAA rules may require that the donor organization of the scholarship be required to complete a questionnaire to determine whether athletic participation was part of the criteria for the awarding of the scholarship.
In addition, if a student-athlete also receives an academic scholarship from their college or university due to their high school GPA or their ACT or SAT test score, the fact that they are already an NCAA “counter” may affect the value or receipt of their academic scholarship.  Once a student-athlete is a “counter” all other financial aid received from their institution is required to “count” as if it is an athletic scholarship, unless the student-athlete qualifies for an exemption based on the level of their GPA, their class rank, or their ACT or SAT test score which happens but is not common.

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Absolutely not true. My daughter and others I know currently receive both from a top D1 school and has for the past three years.


This is true.


She may receive both but it may count against the teams athletic scholarship total.

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A YJ parent, a good friend, showed me the breakdown for their daughter's financial package for the U of MI. The lacrosse portion was almost 10% of the aid; the balance was academic, financial assistance based on parent income and the balance was a loan. A good portion of the tuition was paid, but overall the athletic scholarship was 6-7% of the total.


Your are in the wrong place, how dare you post facts! This post is the norm. When you take into account the limited scholorships per year available divided by a class of 6-12
you get a lot of 10 percenters. parents say they got a scholorship but what they dont tell you is thats its $5,000 a year on a $50,000 school. Academics is the way to go EVERY TIME! What you want is a 90% academic, 10% lacrosse and then when the kid realizes that this is an insane amount of lacrosse work just for $5,000 and that they cant keep up academically at a good school with all the sports commitmenats you walk away from sports, keep you 90% and make up the 5% selling italian ices over the summer.


You can't split up scholarships in D1. No such thing as 90% academic and 10% lax. It's either athletic OR academic.



Typically you don't see needs based money combined with athletic but combining athletic and academic is very common.

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A YJ parent, a good friend, showed me the breakdown for their daughter's financial package for the U of MI. The lacrosse portion was almost 10% of the aid; the balance was academic, financial assistance based on parent income and the balance was a loan. A good portion of the tuition was paid, but overall the athletic scholarship was 6-7% of the total.


Your are in the wrong place, how dare you post facts! This post is the norm. When you take into account the limited scholorships per year available divided by a class of 6-12
you get a lot of 10 percenters. parents say they got a scholorship but what they dont tell you is thats its $5,000 a year on a $50,000 school. Academics is the way to go EVERY TIME! What you want is a 90% academic, 10% lacrosse and then when the kid realizes that this is an insane amount of lacrosse work just for $5,000 and that they cant keep up academically at a good school with all the sports commitmenats you walk away from sports, keep you 90% and make up the 5% selling italian ices over the summer.


You can't split up scholarships in D1. No such thing as 90% academic and 10% lax. It's either athletic OR academic.



Typically you don't see needs based money combined with athletic but combining athletic and academ370448ic is very common.

That's not true my daughter is going to a D1 school for lax next year and is getting both academic and athletic. It's just some schools don't package it's either one or the other but to say D1 doesn't do both is far from the truth

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Even though your daughters may be getting athletic and academic money stacked for their package doesn't mean its not counted by the NCAA toward the team total of 12 aid in full scholarships. The explanation below is worth re posting and comes directly from the NCAA. There are always exceptions as stated in the post.

If any aid is given in addition to athletic money the total amount given to the player is usually deducted from the 12 scholarship total. I'll explain...
Any student-athlete who receives any amount of athletic financial aid is considered a “counter” per NCAA rules.  Once a student-athlete is considered a “counter” there are situations in which other types of financial aid may be required to be “counted” as athletic financial aid.
Any scholarships that a student-athlete will be receiving from groups such as a Rotary or Kiwanis club, a church youth group, or a high school booster club should be sent to the financial aid office of the college the student-athlete is attending so that the scholarship can be processed properly.  In addition, NCAA rules may require that the donor organization of the scholarship be required to complete a questionnaire to determine whether athletic participation was part of the criteria for the awarding of the scholarship.
In addition, if a student-athlete also receives an academic scholarship from their college or university due to their high school GPA or their ACT or SAT test score, the fact that they are already an NCAA “counter” may affect the value or receipt of their academic scholarship.  Once a student-athlete is a “counter” all other financial aid received from their institution is required to “count” as if it is an athletic scholarship, unless the student-athlete qualifies for an exemption based on the level of their GPA, their class rank, or their ACT or SAT test score which happens but is not common.

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The combination of monies ussually affects the kid who can't spell his/her own name but is getting a D1 athletic scholorship and then someone is trying to work the system with giving that same person academic money as well.

For the majority of LI over achievers they get the bundle of both athletic and academic under the following- "unless the student-athlete qualifies for an exemption based on the level of their GPA, their class rank, or their ACT or SAT test score. "

These kids get automatic money for having over a XXX SAT score or over a XXX GPA which are automatic triggers for all students and not for applicants who cant spell their name

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Many student athletes get both athletic and academic money and many times the academic money does not count against the teams 12 scholarship count. The athlete who reaches the academic level equal to or greater than the average kid who gets an academic scholarship will generally get an academic scholarship not counted toward the teams 12.

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What's the deal with having to supply a ball for tryouts tomorrow?

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What's the deal with having to supply a ball for tryouts tomorrow?
LOL, its not included in the tryout fee

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What's the deal with having to supply a ball for tryouts tomorrow?


You don't get rich giving things away...

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What's the deal with having to supply a ball for tryouts tomorrow?


That is ridiculous!!!

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Good luck to the girls on the second through sixth teams today because the first team is already selected. Full of friends and family plus the coaches click of asskissers and extra help girls.

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Good luck to the girls on the second through sixth teams today because the first team is already selected. Full of friends and family plus the coaches click of asskissers and extra help girls.


Wow-you wake up this bitter all the time? such a sad life you must have. Good luck to all the girls today! Proud to be a YJ!

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Good luck to the girls on the second through sixth teams today because the first team is already selected. Full of friends and family plus the coaches click of asskissers and extra help girls.


Wow, usually statements like this are made after the rosters are released.

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So what is the guess on how many teams in each age group?

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So what is the guess on how many teams in each age group?



Why would she limit it to say two teams per age group? She would literally be leaving hundreds of thousand of dollars out there every year. It is what it is, so long as people on the third, forth fifth whatever team know where they stand, who cares. Most of they beat players are on those teams anyway, just ask their parents, they will tell you all about that and the politics that have their kids stuck there.

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That's not true this year. It looked like there was a lot of movement on the 2018 teams.

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That's not true this year. It looked like there was a lot of movement on the 2018 teams.


wow, rosters are out already?

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Will she go to 6 teams in any age group this year? 2020's seem like the likely group who counted heads at tryouts?

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That's not true this year. It looked like there was a lot of movement on the 2018 teams.


wow, rosters are out already?


Rosters are not OUT. But Politics is definitely IN.

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Will she go to 6 teams in any age group this year? 2020's seem like the likely group who counted heads at tryouts?


411 girls. projected to have 17 teams at the 2020 level. going back to the color system, Blue, Gold, Black, Green, red, Brown, etc.

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Say what you want but I think politics will have little to do with who makes what team at 2020 or 2019. If you think politics will be involved please fill us in as to what towns you think will be getting to favoritism prior to rosters.

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Factors that trigger a non-counter:

3.5 gpa
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Graduated within upper 10% of class.

Many won't receive the additional academic money UNTIL final transcript is received by the school. This is what happened with my daughter.

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Say what you want but I think politics will have little to do with who makes what team at 2020 or 2019. If you think politics will be involved please fill us in as to what towns you think will be getting to favoritism prior to rosters.


you have got to be kidding.

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Say what you want but I think politics will have little to do with who makes what team at 2020 or 2019. If you think politics will be involved please fill us in as to what towns you think will be getting to favoritism prior to rosters.


you have got to be kidding.


legacys never ever get cut and are given the benefit of the doubt on roster tiebreakers, you would do the same thing if you owned a million dollar business because of supporters like this. Get over it

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Will she go to 6 teams in any age group this year? 2020's seem like the likely group who counted heads at tryouts?


411 girls. projected to have 17 teams at the 2020 level. going back to the color system, Blue, Gold, Black, Green, red, Brown, etc.


My daughter made the Burnt Sienna team.

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That's not true this year. It looked like there was a lot of movement on the 2018 teams.


Heard a few former TG girls showed up for tryouts. Is this true? Is that the movement you are referring to?

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