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No ambulance being available for an hour and a half is a 10x bigger deal than the cheap shot. If there is a lawsuit (and I agree there will be), it should be over this.

2023 ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll – March 6



UIndy took over the top slot in the ILWomen/IWLCA Division II Poll in Week 3, jumping six spots after picking up a 12-11 win over No. 2 Tampa on Saturday, dropping the Spartans to No. 4 in this week's poll.

Florida Southern and West Chester each bumped up one spot to No. 2 and No. 3, respectively, while Tampa dropped to No. 4 and Le Moyne stayed put at No. 5.

East Stroudsburg dropped from No. 1 into the eighth-ranked position after falling to No. 6 Pace 16-6.

The ILWomen/IWLCA Poll will be unveiled Mondays throughout the season. It is voted on jointly by coaches throughout the country and members of the media.

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 UIndy (6 - 0) 658 (10) 7
2 Florida Southern (5 - 0) 655 (10) 3
3 West Chester (3 - 0) 647 (5) 4
4 Tampa (5 - 1) 627 (1) 2
5 Le Moyne (2 - 0) 596 5
6 Pace (2 - 0) 516 (1) 13
7 Regis (CO) (4 - 0) 510 8
8 East Stroudsburg (1 - 1) 508 (1) 1
9 Adelphi (1 - 2) 493 6
10 Rollins (5 - 0) 474 9
11 Grand Valley (2 - 2) 397 10
12 Wingate (4 - 1) 393 12
13 Mercy (2 - 2) 383 11
14 Lynn (4 - 1) 327 14
15 Flagler (3 - 1) 306 15
16 Assumption (2 - 1) 295 16
17 Seton Hill (2 - 1) 239 17
18 Embry-Riddle (3 - 1) 200 19
19 New Haven (1 - 0) 199 18
20 Saint Leo (3 - 0) 189 20
21 Mercyhurst (2 - 0) 113 21
22 Bentley (2 - 1) 100 22
23 Mount Olive (1 - 3) 67 23
24 Colorado Mesa (0 - 1) 61 24
25 Saint Anselm (3 - 0) 34 NR
RV Roberts Wesleyan, Lee, Alabama Hunstville, Lander, Bloomsburg

2023 ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll – March 6



After a dominant 16-5 win over Boston College last Friday, the Tar Heels earned 23 first-place votes in Week 4 of the ILWomen/IWLCA Division I Poll.

Syracuse and Northwestern followed again in the second and third spots respectively, while Stony Brook jumped two spots to fourth. Boston College dropped to fifth.

Other significant jumps inside the Top 10 include No. 6 Denver shifting up three spots and No. 8 James Madison jumping four after both teams beat Maryland this week. The Terps dropped six spots into the 11th-ranked position.

The ILWomen/IWLCA Poll will be unveiled Mondays throughout the season. It is voted on jointly by coaches throughout the country and members of the media.

Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll

1 North Carolina (5 - 0) 574 (23) 1
2 Syracuse (6 - 0) 552 (1) 2
3 Northwestern (5 - 1) 529 3
4 Stony Brook (4 - 0) 487 6
5 Boston College (3 - 2) 469 4
6 Denver (6 - 0) 439 9
7 Loyola (4 - 0) 421 8
8 James Madison (5 - 1) 401 12
9 Virginia (6 - 0) 397 10
10 Florida (3 - 2) 392 7
11 Maryland (3 - 3) 359 5
12 Notre Dame (4 - 1) 338 13
13 Duke (4 - 2) 267 11
14 Army (5 - 0) 258 16
15 Yale (3 - 1) 248 22
16 Princeton (2 - 2) 186 15
17 Rutgers (3 - 2) 185 14
18 Stanford (2 - 3) 158 17
19 Michigan (4 - 3) 147 21
20 USC (4 - 1) 146 19
21 Penn (3 - 1) 133 23
22 Jacksonville (2 - 3) 70 24
23 Johns Hopkins (2 - 3) 66 19
24 UMass (5 - 1) 63 25
25 Richmond (4 - 1) 52 18
RV Navy, Penn State, Drexel, Towson, UConn

The hospital is across the street. How is this SB JS or team /AD fault that it took 1.5 hrs for an ambulance? Does Yale not have a coach or trainer ? Where is their responsibility in this? Put her in a car and go. Call an Uber. It’s all ridiculously spun out of control. What about the flagrant intentional malicious slander/libel/defamation against the defender by wealthy adults with social media power? The C-suite ladies with zero lacrosse knowledge calling for the lynching and assassinating the character of an essential child? Nobody knows that this was intentional or with malice. What is malicious and retaliatory are the actions of the parent slandering the defender. If you are concerned about safety, surely there are less bullying ways to get your concerns noted. These actions happen every single game and practice on every D1 field.

Devils advocate - what about all the dangerous shots and reckless behind the back goals and attempts that can concuss a girl or land straight in their chest causing cardiac arrest because the attacker is not looking? Why is that allowed/nobody decrying that? Maybe bubble suits are next.

My daughter decided to leave drama club and went into athletics. Things happen on the field. I had a son who played hockey. His head was rammed head first into a board Stantion by the bench. He was taken to the hospital. out for half a season. We didn’t call Saul Goodman while we were sitting in the hospital. Or for the next poster, we didn’t post anything on social media either.

DIVISION I


Co-Offensive Player of the Week

Julia Gilbert – University of Denver

Gilbert led No. 9 Denver to two top-25 wins over No. 21 Michigan and No. 5 Maryland this past week. She recorded a combined five goals on nine shots and added one ground ball. Both matchups came down to the wire as the Pioneers defeated the Wolverines 7-5 and the Terrapins 8-7. Denver has climbed to No. 6 in the latest ILWomen / IWLCA Division I Poll.

Co-Offensive Player of the Week

Jenna Collignon – Yale University

Collignon, a sophomore attacker, guided No. 22 Yale to its first win over No. 15 Princeton since 2007, taking down the Tigers 15-10. Collignon registered six goals, one assist and one draw control in the matchup. The win sent Yale to the No. 15 slot in the latest ILWomen / IWLCA Division I Poll.

Defensive Player of the Week

Kat Buchanan – James Madison University

The senior goalkeeper set a career-high 10 saves against No. 5 Maryland, recording a .588 save percentage. She made another six saves and allowed just six goals against Ohio State to give JMU its fifth straight win of the season. She tallied a .552 save percentage for the week and led the team in ground balls for the week as well. Buchanan was also named American Athletic Conference Goalkeeper of the Week as her opponents were held to 7.0 goals per game (26.9%) shooting.

DIVISION II


Offensive Player of the Week

Angelina Porcello – Pace University

Porcello led No. 13 Pace in its 16-6 victory over No. 1 East Stroudsburg University in a stunning upset. She accounted for six points on five goals and one assist, while tallying four ground balls, eight draw controls and one caused turnover in the big win for the Setters. In the latest ILWomen / IWLCA Division III Poll, Pace shifted up seven spots and now sits at the No. 6 position.

Defensive Player of the Week

Jolie Urraro – Pace University

The senior attacker had seven ground balls and three caused turnovers to help No. 13 Pace defeat No. 1 East Stroudsburg, 16-6. She also scored four goals and had two assists.

DIVISION III


Offensive Player of the Week

Lauren Mills – Oberlin College

In a 10-9 overtime win at John Carroll, Mills posted four points on three goals and one assist to go along with four ground balls, four draw controls and two caused turnovers. She followed that effort with a career-high eight points with four goals and four assists in a 22-19 win over Hope College. Mills added five draw controls, two ground balls, and two caused turnovers in the two-goal victory.

Defensive Player of the Week

Ashley MacFarlane – Shenandoah University

The senior goalkeeper led Shenandoah to its first-ever win at Christopher Newport, taking down the Captains 13-9. She made 13 saves and added two caused turnovers and three ground balls to the match.

A few interesting games on Tuesday (3/7), but nothing too fool.

Coastal Carolina vs Boston U was the first time the teams had ever played. Coastal lead the entire game and pulled off a good win (13-9). BU appears to be improved, but the early season games were against weak competition.

Central Michigan had a solid win over Duquesne and CMU's goalie (former Monster Elite player) had 18 saves in that game. The new head coach (former assistant at Michigan) is doing a good job and the previous coach had done a great job of recruiting East Coast kids. They will be fun.

Cinci vs Davidson went into OT--the game was fairly back-and-forth, but Cinci managed to pull off a nice shot at the end to win it 13-12.

Vermont vs Harvard was a snooze fest. The Ivy schools aren't lighting the world on fire by any stretch this year.

Wednesday's slate is ok, but nothing too fool IMO.

Nope.Didn’t look like much. 1st off. This wasn’t malicious. People are acting like this was a cheap shot after the play and whatnot. For those that need to see and can make their own thoughts google the girls name and injury. You’ll see her moms Instagram post. Sometimes things can happen. It didn’t look like much but it hit her in a way that split her kidney. Speedy recovery but nothing needs to come of this except a review why it took the girl 1 1/2 hours to get to the hospital.

Watch for Coastal to get good fast as long as coach stays. My daughter (a 25) worked with her at a recent camp. Said she was the most charismatic coach she had ever met. Said girls who couldn't find Coastal on a map have starting writing letters and have it on their top 10 lists.

Everybody’s experience is different.
My daughter was interested in Coastal. 1st trip there last year was not good. Camp was disorganized. Happened to be there in the fall this year during another camp. Sue went. Had a much better time. Think she liked the assistant coaches better. I will say this. Both times the talent level was not great.

"Coastal Carolina, we're at the beach" No, Conway, SC is not the beach.

In fairness. It is 20 minutes away and the kids go a lot

Not a SB fan at all. They do play like thugs, JS screaming his way to calls by the refs, the worst floppers in the game. That being said, what video are you even watching? The girl who got hurt is running towards the goal circle while picking up a loose ball. By the time she gains control and starts to look up she runs right into a defender either originally going for GB or getting into defensive space, they collided head on. There was no cheap shot in the back, defender was not beat in the least. And I agree with everyone else, just an unfortunate accident. No foul was even called by the refs, you see much worse a dozen times in every game you watch. The lawyer up mentality in society today is so sad to see.

I think if this was your daughter, you would feel differently. A cross check into an attacker's back as she is in the shooting motion with the ball nearly out of her stick is "not malicious"? Are you kidding? The defender was beaten and got a cheap shot in on her back. Attacker was completely defenseless. Stony Brook better call Saul. Completely disagree that this is a normal play in the women's game.
Sorry but I still dont see what you are describing, did you watch the video? Looks like she makes contact about the time the ball is released and its not in the back . I see a loose ball and player picking it up and shooting and a defender being moving as fast as they can to disrupt the shot . To say the defender was giving a cheap shot because she got beat is ridiculous . Yes its a foul but not even sure it deserves a yellow card. Hopefully the kid makes a full recovery but to go after the defender the way some are is just pathetic.I think if the defender were your daughter you would feel differently.

"Coastal Carolina, we're at the beach" No, Conway, SC is not the beach.[/quote]

In fairness. It is 20 minutes away and the kids go a lot[/quote]


Funny, my 2025 daughter gets home from school and shows me the Coastal Instagram. They were on the beach yesterday hanging out. She goes, “yep. I think Coastal’s back in the mix.” 😬

Stony Brook had a real tough time keeping up with Northwestern. Only one SB player able to get anything done. Lots of yellows too. Izzy is just unreal and fun to watch!

My options on this

1) Was it a foul? Clearly yes
2) Was it Malicious? No reason to believe that it is
3) Should it have been a card? By the rules, yes. But many similar things are not called.
4) The ambulance situation is completely undependable, especially when a hospital is so close. While not JS's fault someone's head should roll in athletic department.

However, what rubs a lot of people the wrong way, including me, is the StonyBrook's lack of empathy for the situation. No get well soon messages. No Acknowledge at all. JS's press conference saying they didn't have a killer instinct post-game was one of the most tone deaf things I have ever seen.

In fairness. It is 20 minutes away and the kids go a lot[/quote]


Funny, my 2025 daughter gets home from school and shows me the Coastal Instagram. They were on the beach yesterday hanging out. She goes, “yep. I think Coastal’s back in the mix.” 😬[/quote]

I’m assuming it was the spring break video? They did a great job with that one—the AD is providing the staff for videos and seems to be supporting the program.

The coaching staff is solid and you do have two Northwestern grads coaching there. (I’m sure Jill Girardi is a draw as a recent grad and pro.) The HC played at Loyola (Maryland) with the new HC at Jacksonville. Full disclosure—I’ve met them all and they strike me as good people that will take care of your daughter (they are big on healthy team culture).

While the camp may have drawn some players that weren’t as good, the coaches are picking up good recruits that can play. If they can continue to find success I think you’ll see better recruits come on board. Success breeds interest.

Visiting and spending time at the beach? Twist my arm as a parent—beats hanging out around Rutgers or up in the snow in Vermont or NH for a game day.

I'm the last person to defend SB because I always think they are super overrated, but I digress... But agree with the above. I watched the video and had the girl not been hurt, no one would have thought twice about the contact. Granted I'm watching one angle from a video clip, but it doesn't look malicious at all. Very unfortunate result, and SB probably could address and send some sympathy to Yale and the player, but other than that, it doesn't appear to be egregious.

Is this finally the impetus for a change at Duke?

Think we will finally see Clemson in the top 25 this week. Took them five weeks to become a top 25. 😳

Think it is going to take a few years for Clemson to be a contender in the ACC but between the coaches, the new facility, and the campus, they are going to be very attractive for top talent and awesome transfers in the coming years. I also don’t recall a new team ever having a recruiting class like their incoming 23’s and 24’s

Not that much chat about SB/NW on here, likely because not that many folks could see it for free.

SB played well and Masera had a great game, especially on the draw circle. But the gap in talent was pretty clear. Doesn't feel like this is the year they can break through and made the final four. Most likely looking at a 7,8, or 9 seed this year so any quarterfinal loss against a top team is likely.

As long as we see Duke tank it’s all good , got to love that their super star AA cost them the game .It’s a CT blessing for Duke they play such a weak non conference schedule but ultimately they should be left out of the NCAA tournament

Funny, my 2025 daughter gets home from school and shows me the Coastal Instagram. They were on the beach yesterday hanging out. She goes, “yep. I think Coastal’s back in the mix.” 😬[/quote]

I’m assuming it was the spring break video? They did a great job with that one—the AD is providing the staff for videos and seems to be supporting the program.

The coaching staff is solid and you do have two Northwestern grads coaching there. (I’m sure Jill Girardi is a draw as a recent grad and pro.) The HC played at Loyola (Maryland) with the new HC at Jacksonville. Full disclosure—I’ve met them all and they strike me as good people that will take care of your daughter (they are big on healthy team culture).

While the camp may have drawn some players that weren’t as good, the coaches are picking up good recruits that can play. If they can continue to find success I think you’ll see better recruits come on board. Success breeds interest.

Visiting and spending time at the beach? Twist my arm as a parent—beats hanging out around Rutgers or up in the snow in Vermont or NH for a game day.[/quote]

Yes it was the spring break video. I’m not happy about it because I think there are better schools that my daughter can attend with her grades and playing abilities. And I am talking specifically about the school. I can care less about the level of lacrosse. But for now Coastal is back in the top 5. Very hard for a 15 year old to see the forest through the trees.

Funny, my 2025 daughter gets home from school and shows me the Coastal Instagram. They were on the beach yesterday hanging out. She goes, “yep. I think Coastal’s back in the mix.” 😬[/quote]

I’m assuming it was the spring break video? They did a great job with that one—the AD is providing the staff for videos and seems to be supporting the program.

The coaching staff is solid and you do have two Northwestern grads coaching there. (I’m sure Jill Girardi is a draw as a recent grad and pro.) The HC played at Loyola (Maryland) with the new HC at Jacksonville. Full disclosure—I’ve met them all and they strike me as good people that will take care of your daughter (they are big on healthy team culture).

While the camp may have drawn some players that weren’t as good, the coaches are picking up good recruits that can play. If they can continue to find success I think you’ll see better recruits come on board. Success breeds interest.

Visiting and spending time at the beach? Twist my arm as a parent—beats hanging out around Rutgers or up in the snow in Vermont or NH for a game day.[/quote]

Yes it was the spring break video. I’m not happy about it because I think there are better schools that my daughter can attend with her grades and playing abilities. And I am talking specifically about the school. I can care less about the level of lacrosse. But for now Coastal is back in the top 5. Very hard for a 15 year old to see the forest through the trees.

How about Syracuse losing their draw girl yesteday. Injury looked painful. Shes the leading draw player in D1

Not much chat because there was not much to chat about. NU won, no surprise there and no need to talk about seeds, Final Four, Quarter Finals etc... way too early and a lot of lacrosse to be played.

Most likely more than a few years before Clemson becomes a contender. Would be happy if any of my kids had the opportunity to attend Clemson and play for The Tigers but I believe it will be a while before they become competitive with the traditional top 10-20 programs. Even though the sport has grown we still do not see any real parity. There is a limited amount of talent and the top programs are for the most part all very good academic schools with a lot to offer in addition to competitive lacrosse. I think they have a good coach which is start but they still need to bring in the talent and apparently that is not so easy to do (Just ask the majority of coaches who rarely if ever crack the Top 20... that's about 95 coaches out of 120).

In addition to that, the cream of the crop of the best high school players are spread between 5 schools. UNC, BC, CUSE, MD, and NW. Of the top 25 players, 3 to 5 players committ to one of those schools, with the being spread among other top 25 D1 schools.

With the growth of the sport, the overall talent pool is deeper yes. But the best of the best will still go to those 5 programs. So parity is concetrated more among the middle tier to low tier D1 programs. Even among the those top 5 schools, Maryland is starting to fall behind the others and UNC is getting stronger.

I don’t think they make any changes, even though the game has evolved and Duke has found themselves behind the curve.

Tend to agree with you. People excited that they beat Duke, who is grossly overrated. Look at Dukes schedule. They try to ride on the reputation of the men’s team. Anytime they play a good team, they get destroyed. The stat padding is a joke. When Clemson is competitive with UNC, Cuse, we can start the conversation of how legit they are.

Let's remember that this Clemson team is built through grad transfers, something new programs prior to 2020 didn't have access to. 2 best players are grad transfer from Oregon and Davidson. This won't be a sustainable model once Covid extra eligibility ends.

I anticipate them being a solid mid-tier ACC team who makes the tourney more often than not. However, probably many years off before they seriously contend.

I think it's less about the game changing and more about this generation of athletes not wanting to play in a draconian militaristic culture.

I detest Duke like most but they did go 6-2 last year in the acc and beat Boston college and lost to Syracuse by 2. They did get blown up by north carolina(who didn’t) and had a bad loss in the tournament but just because they play local in the “preseason” isn’t a reason to detest them. Let’s get back to hating them because they are Duke. My original point about Clemson stands. Their transfers will continue to be solid as the school is very attractive, their coach built a winning program at a school 1/10 the size at Richmond, and they are in South Carolina where the average winter temp is 55. Looking at their recruits for 23 and 24 and they are competitive to any of the top 10 programs. Not saying they will win a national championship in the next 5 years but think they are taking Floridas model and putting it on steroids and look to be top 10 consistently in the next 5 years is my opinion.

Wow! Top 10 consistently in the next 5 years, time will tell but don't see that happening. The influx of 5th year transfers this year helps them but that will not continue so they will be competing with the top programs for top talent. There is only so much talent to go around so which top 10 program will Clemson displace in order to consistently be top 10?

I was the OP on Clemson. I didn’t say they were going to challenge the top ACC this year or next. All I said was after beating Duke they will be ranked top 25. They hit 24. Obviously gonna be years before they can beat teams like Syracuse or UNC. My point was how fast they went into the top 25.

First off no one cares or comments on who Duke plays preseason ,what they detest is the fact that Duke plays against teams that are completely over matched during the season in all their non conference games and run up their stats . They do this to try and sneak into the Ncaa tournament by having an overall decent record while "playing" in the ACC and pad their players stats so they can get post season awards. Other teams play a highly competitive non conference schedule many times putting their NCAA tournament on the line doing so.