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Lax truths

Love reading these forums and the variety of opinions. Some are very helpful and some are laughable. Having been through the process, here are what I believe, to me, tone the “truths” and by truth, it applies to the bell curve majority. Disclaimer: these truths are really just opinion and you know what they say about people with opinions…

1. Many parents are trying to live vicariously through their children. Thus they don’t make the best lax decisions because they are doing it for themselves md not their kids but they still try to justify it.
2. I’ve seen the majority of lax parents make a lax decision for their college choice, not an academic decision, which is a short term decision with long term consequences
3. The vast majority of successful lacrosse players are reclass / PG. Period. It works. But not for all….
4. …as those successful players that reclassed are not representative of the true outcomes of most the holdbacks. The majority end up not at duke or the ivies. People need to look at the people who delayed college by 1-3 years and ended up exactly where they would have been had they not held back. That is where the majority of holdbacks end up, back at square 1 or square 2, not square 100 like everyone believes they end up.
5. Lacrosse is finite. Anybody who dreams of making a living out of playing lacrosse should consider a different career path
6. Stop comparing lacrosse success to basketball and football success. It shows you just want to be a wannabe in a niche sport. Those NIL deals are not for you. And don’t use a Georgia qb as the gold standard for being closer to 30 then 20 years old as the dream we should be chasing.
7. See #4 for football and basketball as again, we only see the successes and not the majority of the people who don’t go on to succeed.
8. Holdbacks are not illegal. They are allowed.
9. Holdbacks are a [Censored] way to get ahead in life. Can’t succeed in your own grade? Go ahead and beat up on kids younger than you. You can use “holding back” to get ahead in life at this stage in your life but that “get out of jail card” is a one time use only. You can’t use a holdback to solve all your deficiencies; it usually just hides them. But everyone who holds back and ended up not succeeded has always found a way to justify their holdback and come up with some reason why it was good. No one has enough courage to say it was a mistake.
10. The majority of holdbacks don’t go on to UNC, Virginia, duke and ivies. See #4
11. Lacrosse is quickly becoming an niche sport that caters to the wealthy. Equity is becoming a huge problem.
12. Club lacrosse is a business. They do not care about your recruitment unless it benefits them
13. College and club lacrosse are the chokepoints of what is ruining lacrosse. They want older kids because they are more mature, faster and stronger and will do anything to get them. That’s why they want holdbacks.
14. No no one cares about club lacrosse in high school. Check the 2022-2024 forums. No one posted in them because no one cares
15. Prospect days are purely a way for coaches to make money, unless you are actually invited
16. Speaking of making money, showcases are also in it to make money
17. Guess what? There’s nothing wrong with making money. But don’t fall prey to every event that spams you with an email inviting you to super duper future phenoms apex first class 1% all american showcase. Chose your events carefully. Avoid most with an “all star” team. Use these events to get film.
18. To get recruited you will have to do the dirty work and get yourself exposed at some of these money making showcases and prospect days. Make film, contact coaches and teams and most of all be good because that is what you are eventually going to be judged on
19. #18 is a farce. The best way into college is through connections. I hope your high school coach or if you are lucky enough to have a club coach that cares, has those connections
20. There is nothing wrong with playing lacrosse in college. Do it to have fun. And don’t think for a moment that yiu can’t play play lacrosse in college. There are 75 d2 and 175 d3 schools all with spots available. That being said, see point #2
21. If you are pretty good then you can play d1. Everybody thinks d1 is unobtainable but there are plenty of d1 schools that are not that good that you can play at but…see point# 22
22. However don’t play d1 just for the sake of saying you played d1. You are much better off at a NESCAc or centennial d3 school then saying you played for Wagner hampton NJIT VMi sacred heart clevelandst vmi bellarmine Siena Detroitmercy LIU Manhattan etc. you get what I’m saying. The bottom 33 of lacrosse d1 are not that good and academically maybe not the strongest.
23. D2 is a good option but they are not the strongest academically
24. The majority of lax players go into finance. You want to go to a school with good education and good connections. And for goodness sake, when being recruited it is much better to say you are undecided then say anything in STEM. Many coaches don’t want students who study STEM. They want athletes.
25. Good luck being recruited if you play defense. They are the hardest to get recruited. Coaches want goalies, fogo, attackmen first. Then middies. Then LSM and SSDM and then dpoles last. The prospect days always seem to have too many dpoles and not enough middies.
26. If you are truly a superstar in the sport, then almost none of this applies to you. The rest of you? This is all “truth”
27. No matter where you go to school it will end up fine as soon as you stop chasing the lacrosse dream. Enjoy this time with your kids. It’s supposed to be fun. And please stop living vicariously through your kids. A wise man said don’t let lacrosse use you, you use lacrosse.

Remember this does not apply to everyone, it applies to the bell curve majority. Congrats to the few who beat the system or are lucky outliers. My condolences to those who spent 1-3 years reclassing and chasing a dream and missed out future income and personal growth. And yes, my two kids were not holdbacks and are doing perfectly fine playing lacrosse in college.

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Love reading these forums and the variety of opinions. Some are very helpful and some are laughable. Having been through the process, here are what I believe, to me, tone the “truths” and by truth, it applies to the bell curve majority. Disclaimer: these truths are really just opinion and you know what they say about people with opinions…

1. Many parents are trying to live vicariously through their children. Thus they don’t make the best lax decisions because they are doing it for themselves md not their kids but they still try to justify it.
2. I’ve seen the majority of lax parents make a lax decision for their college choice, not an academic decision, which is a short term decision with long term consequences
3. The vast majority of successful lacrosse players are reclass / PG. Period. It works. But not for all….
4. …as those successful players that reclassed are not representative of the true outcomes of most the holdbacks. The majority end up not at duke or the ivies. People need to look at the people who delayed college by 1-3 years and ended up exactly where they would have been had they not held back. That is where the majority of holdbacks end up, back at square 1 or square 2, not square 100 like everyone believes they end up.
5. Lacrosse is finite. Anybody who dreams of making a living out of playing lacrosse should consider a different career path
6. Stop comparing lacrosse success to basketball and football success. It shows you just want to be a wannabe in a niche sport. Those NIL deals are not for you. And don’t use a Georgia qb as the gold standard for being closer to 30 then 20 years old as the dream we should be chasing.
7. See #4 for football and basketball as again, we only see the successes and not the majority of the people who don’t go on to succeed.
8. Holdbacks are not illegal. They are allowed.
9. Holdbacks are a [Censored] way to get ahead in life. Can’t succeed in your own grade? Go ahead and beat up on kids younger than you. You can use “holding back” to get ahead in life at this stage in your life but that “get out of jail card” is a one time use only. You can’t use a holdback to solve all your deficiencies; it usually just hides them. But everyone who holds back and ended up not succeeded has always found a way to justify their holdback and come up with some reason why it was good. No one has enough courage to say it was a mistake.
10. The majority of holdbacks don’t go on to UNC, Virginia, duke and ivies. See #4
11. Lacrosse is quickly becoming an niche sport that caters to the wealthy. Equity is becoming a huge problem.
12. Club lacrosse is a business. They do not care about your recruitment unless it benefits them
13. College and club lacrosse are the chokepoints of what is ruining lacrosse. They want older kids because they are more mature, faster and stronger and will do anything to get them. That’s why they want holdbacks.
14. No no one cares about club lacrosse in high school. Check the 2022-2024 forums. No one posted in them because no one cares
15. Prospect days are purely a way for coaches to make money, unless you are actually invited
16. Speaking of making money, showcases are also in it to make money
17. Guess what? There’s nothing wrong with making money. But don’t fall prey to every event that spams you with an email inviting you to super duper future phenoms apex first class 1% all american showcase. Chose your events carefully. Avoid most with an “all star” team. Use these events to get film.
18. To get recruited you will have to do the dirty work and get yourself exposed at some of these money making showcases and prospect days. Make film, contact coaches and teams and most of all be good because that is what you are eventually going to be judged on
19. #18 is a farce. The best way into college is through connections. I hope your high school coach or if you are lucky enough to have a club coach that cares, has those connections
20. There is nothing wrong with playing lacrosse in college. Do it to have fun. And don’t think for a moment that yiu can’t play play lacrosse in college. There are 75 d2 and 175 d3 schools all with spots available. That being said, see point #2
21. If you are pretty good then you can play d1. Everybody thinks d1 is unobtainable but there are plenty of d1 schools that are not that good that you can play at but…see point# 22
22. However don’t play d1 just for the sake of saying you played d1. You are much better off at a NESCAc or centennial d3 school then saying you played for Wagner hampton NJIT VMi sacred heart clevelandst vmi bellarmine Siena Detroitmercy LIU Manhattan etc. you get what I’m saying. The bottom 33 of lacrosse d1 are not that good and academically maybe not the strongest.
23. D2 is a good option but they are not the strongest academically
24. The majority of lax players go into finance. You want to go to a school with good education and good connections. And for goodness sake, when being recruited it is much better to say you are undecided then say anything in STEM. Many coaches don’t want students who study STEM. They want athletes.
25. Good luck being recruited if you play defense. They are the hardest to get recruited. Coaches want goalies, fogo, attackmen first. Then middies. Then LSM and SSDM and then dpoles last. The prospect days always seem to have too many dpoles and not enough middies.
26. If you are truly a superstar in the sport, then almost none of this applies to you. The rest of you? This is all “truth”
27. No matter where you go to school it will end up fine as soon as you stop chasing the lacrosse dream. Enjoy this time with your kids. It’s supposed to be fun. And please stop living vicariously through your kids. A wise man said don’t let lacrosse use you, you use lacrosse.

Remember this does not apply to everyone, it applies to the bell curve majority. Congrats to the few who beat the system or are lucky outliers. My condolences to those who spent 1-3 years reclassing and chasing a dream and missed out future income and personal growth. And yes, my two kids were not holdbacks and are doing perfectly fine playing lacrosse in college.

Hahahahaha, you are truly the epitome of a clown. Thanks for the laugh. Hahahahahaha, awesome waste of everyone’s time. Simply awesome nonsense, thank you, I am crying at your silliness. The best!!

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I stopped reading after the first sentence because its far too long a post. And most of the audience your addressing cannot read anyway. Lax is life....

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Lax truths

Love reading these forums and the variety of opinions. Some are very helpful and some are laughable. Having been through the process, here are what I believe, to me, tone the “truths” and by truth, it applies to the bell curve majority. Disclaimer: these truths are really just opinion and you know what they say about people with opinions…

1. Many parents are trying to live vicariously through their children. Thus they don’t make the best lax decisions because they are doing it for themselves md not their kids but they still try to justify it.
2. I’ve seen the majority of lax parents make a lax decision for their college choice, not an academic decision, which is a short term decision with long term consequences
3. The vast majority of successful lacrosse players are reclass / PG. Period. It works. But not for all….
4. …as those successful players that reclassed are not representative of the true outcomes of most the holdbacks. The majority end up not at duke or the ivies. People need to look at the people who delayed college by 1-3 years and ended up exactly where they would have been had they not held back. That is where the majority of holdbacks end up, back at square 1 or square 2, not square 100 like everyone believes they end up.
5. Lacrosse is finite. Anybody who dreams of making a living out of playing lacrosse should consider a different career path
6. Stop comparing lacrosse success to basketball and football success. It shows you just want to be a wannabe in a niche sport. Those NIL deals are not for you. And don’t use a Georgia qb as the gold standard for being closer to 30 then 20 years old as the dream we should be chasing.
7. See #4 for football and basketball as again, we only see the successes and not the majority of the people who don’t go on to succeed.
8. Holdbacks are not illegal. They are allowed.
9. Holdbacks are a [Censored] way to get ahead in life. Can’t succeed in your own grade? Go ahead and beat up on kids younger than you. You can use “holding back” to get ahead in life at this stage in your life but that “get out of jail card” is a one time use only. You can’t use a holdback to solve all your deficiencies; it usually just hides them. But everyone who holds back and ended up not succeeded has always found a way to justify their holdback and come up with some reason why it was good. No one has enough courage to say it was a mistake.
10. The majority of holdbacks don’t go on to UNC, Virginia, duke and ivies. See #4
11. Lacrosse is quickly becoming an niche sport that caters to the wealthy. Equity is becoming a huge problem.
12. Club lacrosse is a business. They do not care about your recruitment unless it benefits them
13. College and club lacrosse are the chokepoints of what is ruining lacrosse. They want older kids because they are more mature, faster and stronger and will do anything to get them. That’s why they want holdbacks.
14. No no one cares about club lacrosse in high school. Check the 2022-2024 forums. No one posted in them because no one cares
15. Prospect days are purely a way for coaches to make money, unless you are actually invited
16. Speaking of making money, showcases are also in it to make money
17. Guess what? There’s nothing wrong with making money. But don’t fall prey to every event that spams you with an email inviting you to super duper future phenoms apex first class 1% all american showcase. Chose your events carefully. Avoid most with an “all star” team. Use these events to get film.
18. To get recruited you will have to do the dirty work and get yourself exposed at some of these money making showcases and prospect days. Make film, contact coaches and teams and most of all be good because that is what you are eventually going to be judged on
19. #18 is a farce. The best way into college is through connections. I hope your high school coach or if you are lucky enough to have a club coach that cares, has those connections
20. There is nothing wrong with playing lacrosse in college. Do it to have fun. And don’t think for a moment that yiu can’t play play lacrosse in college. There are 75 d2 and 175 d3 schools all with spots available. That being said, see point #2
21. If you are pretty good then you can play d1. Everybody thinks d1 is unobtainable but there are plenty of d1 schools that are not that good that you can play at but…see point# 22
22. However don’t play d1 just for the sake of saying you played d1. You are much better off at a NESCAc or centennial d3 school then saying you played for Wagner hampton NJIT VMi sacred heart clevelandst vmi bellarmine Siena Detroitmercy LIU Manhattan etc. you get what I’m saying. The bottom 33 of lacrosse d1 are not that good and academically maybe not the strongest.
23. D2 is a good option but they are not the strongest academically
24. The majority of lax players go into finance. You want to go to a school with good education and good connections. And for goodness sake, when being recruited it is much better to say you are undecided then say anything in STEM. Many coaches don’t want students who study STEM. They want athletes.
25. Good luck being recruited if you play defense. They are the hardest to get recruited. Coaches want goalies, fogo, attackmen first. Then middies. Then LSM and SSDM and then dpoles last. The prospect days always seem to have too many dpoles and not enough middies.
26. If you are truly a superstar in the sport, then almost none of this applies to you. The rest of you? This is all “truth”
27. No matter where you go to school it will end up fine as soon as you stop chasing the lacrosse dream. Enjoy this time with your kids. It’s supposed to be fun. And please stop living vicariously through your kids. A wise man said don’t let lacrosse use you, you use lacrosse.

Remember this does not apply to everyone, it applies to the bell curve majority. Congrats to the few who beat the system or are lucky outliers. My condolences to those who spent 1-3 years reclassing and chasing a dream and missed out future income and personal growth. And yes, my two kids were not holdbacks and are doing perfectly fine playing lacrosse in college.

#24 is 100% accurate, but If your kid wants to do STEM, be a good parent and tell your kid to let that be known to the coach. Usually STEM kids are "smart" and are going to school to do "STEM" things (labs, internships, ect). Be a good parent and encourage your kid to pic a school they can envision themselves at if they weren't playing lax. Speaking from experience, if a coach attempts to steer your kid into a different major than their "STEM' major, you should have your kid think twice about going there. STEM majors tend to make a little bit more upon graduation than most of the pro lax players. Patriot league, some Ivy's (yes, their coaches steer majors too, Cornell and their 'Hospitality Majors') and top D3 schools are the go to schools for STEM. Just my advice.

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Everyone quit complaining and go over-spend in your kid's team swag store....1 more year and the party's over folks!

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Most of you people are pathetic.

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Most of you people are pathetic.

If you think you’re not, look again. Welcome aboard.

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Rebels isnt even a B team at this point. Their "B" team would beat the team they sent to Fl this weekend. That's a lot of $ and time to fly to FL to get humiliated. And they got worse each game. Great job by the coaches too. Hey, at least their kids got to play. As for recruiting, the highlights were plentiful: "If you had a Rebels jersey, Here's what NOT to do"
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Rebels isnt even a B team at this point. Their "B" team would beat the team they sent to Fl this weekend. That's a lot of $ and time to fly to FL to get humiliated. And they got worse each game. Great job by the coaches too. Hey, at least their kids got to play. As for recruiting, the highlights were plentiful: "If you had a Rebels jersey, Here's what NOT to do"

Rebels are fine. Worry about your own team. Some teams don’t travel well in fall. But getting to go down there and expos yourself is an awesome opportunity. Wins and losses?? If you’re worrying about that you do not know that recruiting season has began. The only important thing right now is starting the process and opening as many doors for your little Johnny.

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Rebels isnt even a B team at this point. Their "B" team would beat the team they sent to Fl this weekend. That's a lot of $ and time to fly to FL to get humiliated. And they got worse each game. Great job by the coaches too. Hey, at least their kids got to play. As for recruiting, the highlights were plentiful: "If you had a Rebels jersey, Here's what NOT to do"

Rebels are fine. Worry about your own team. Some teams don’t travel well in fall. But getting to go down there and expos yourself is an awesome opportunity. Wins and losses?? If you’re worrying about that you do not know that recruiting season has began. The only important thing right now is starting the process and opening as many doors for your little Johnny.[/quote]

This is correct. Wins and losses are no longer relevant. Now it’s about getting to the right tourneys and in front of the right coaches.

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Rebels isnt even a B team at this point. Their "B" team would beat the team they sent to Fl this weekend. That's a lot of $ and time to fly to FL to get humiliated. And they got worse each game. Great job by the coaches too. Hey, at least their kids got to play. As for recruiting, the highlights were plentiful: "If you had a Rebels jersey, Here's what NOT to do"

Rebels are fine. Worry about your own team. Some teams don’t travel well in fall. But getting to go down there and expos yourself is an awesome opportunity. Wins and losses?? If you’re worrying about that you do not know that recruiting season has began. The only important thing right now is starting the process and opening as many doors for your little Johnny.

This is correct. Wins and losses are no longer relevant. Now it’s about getting to the right tourneys and in front of the right coaches.[/quote]

Since I'm paying the bills I respectfully disagree. We should have stayed home. The only reason we were there is to promote the Rebels brand and get some name recognition. Any press is good press, after this weekend I doubt it. Total waste of our time and my hard earned money. Nobody stands out on a depleted bad team, so what's the point?

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Rebels isnt even a B team at this point. Their "B" team would beat the team they sent to Fl this weekend. That's a lot of $ and time to fly to FL to get humiliated. And they got worse each game. Great job by the coaches too. Hey, at least their kids got to play. As for recruiting, the highlights were plentiful: "If you had a Rebels jersey, Here's what NOT to do"

Rebels are fine. Worry about your own team. Some teams don’t travel well in fall. But getting to go down there and expos yourself is an awesome opportunity. Wins and losses?? If you’re worrying about that you do not know that recruiting season has began. The only important thing right now is starting the process and opening as many doors for your little Johnny.

This is correct. Wins and losses are no longer relevant. Now it’s about getting to the right tourneys and in front of the right coaches.

Since I'm paying the bills I respectfully disagree. We should have stayed home. The only reason we were there is to promote the Rebels brand and get some name recognition. Any press is good press, after this weekend I doubt it. Total waste of our time and my hard earned money. Nobody stands out on a depleted bad team, so what's the point?[/quote]

Kinda true with respect to a team that isn’t competing. Very hard to stand out as the best players on a team that is losing. It’s unfortunate, but coaches will pick their chairs up and move. But why the need for A teams. The Rebels B team is good, they were impressive yesterday at Stony Brook. What’s wrong with two B+ or A- teams? Just put them in the correct events and all will be fine.

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Lax truths

Love reading these forums and the variety of opinions. Some are very helpful and some are laughable. Having been through the process, here are what I believe, to me, tone the “truths” and by truth, it applies to the bell curve majority. Disclaimer: these truths are really just opinion and you know what they say about people with opinions…

1. Many parents are trying to live vicariously through their children. Thus they don’t make the best lax decisions because they are doing it for themselves md not their kids but they still try to justify it.
2. I’ve seen the majority of lax parents make a lax decision for their college choice, not an academic decision, which is a short term decision with long term consequences
3. The vast majority of successful lacrosse players are reclass / PG. Period. It works. But not for all….
4. …as those successful players that reclassed are not representative of the true outcomes of most the holdbacks. The majority end up not at duke or the ivies. People need to look at the people who delayed college by 1-3 years and ended up exactly where they would have been had they not held back. That is where the majority of holdbacks end up, back at square 1 or square 2, not square 100 like everyone believes they end up.
5. Lacrosse is finite. Anybody who dreams of making a living out of playing lacrosse should consider a different career path
6. Stop comparing lacrosse success to basketball and football success. It shows you just want to be a wannabe in a niche sport. Those NIL deals are not for you. And don’t use a Georgia qb as the gold standard for being closer to 30 then 20 years old as the dream we should be chasing.
7. See #4 for football and basketball as again, we only see the successes and not the majority of the people who don’t go on to succeed.
8. Holdbacks are not illegal. They are allowed.
9. Holdbacks are a [Censored] way to get ahead in life. Can’t succeed in your own grade? Go ahead and beat up on kids younger than you. You can use “holding back” to get ahead in life at this stage in your life but that “get out of jail card” is a one time use only. You can’t use a holdback to solve all your deficiencies; it usually just hides them. But everyone who holds back and ended up not succeeded has always found a way to justify their holdback and come up with some reason why it was good. No one has enough courage to say it was a mistake.
10. The majority of holdbacks don’t go on to UNC, Virginia, duke and ivies. See #4
11. Lacrosse is quickly becoming an niche sport that caters to the wealthy. Equity is becoming a huge problem.
12. Club lacrosse is a business. They do not care about your recruitment unless it benefits them
13. College and club lacrosse are the chokepoints of what is ruining lacrosse. They want older kids because they are more mature, faster and stronger and will do anything to get them. That’s why they want holdbacks.
14. No no one cares about club lacrosse in high school. Check the 2022-2024 forums. No one posted in them because no one cares
15. Prospect days are purely a way for coaches to make money, unless you are actually invited
16. Speaking of making money, showcases are also in it to make money
17. Guess what? There’s nothing wrong with making money. But don’t fall prey to every event that spams you with an email inviting you to super duper future phenoms apex first class 1% all american showcase. Chose your events carefully. Avoid most with an “all star” team. Use these events to get film.
18. To get recruited you will have to do the dirty work and get yourself exposed at some of these money making showcases and prospect days. Make film, contact coaches and teams and most of all be good because that is what you are eventually going to be judged on
19. #18 is a farce. The best way into college is through connections. I hope your high school coach or if you are lucky enough to have a club coach that cares, has those connections
20. There is nothing wrong with playing lacrosse in college. Do it to have fun. And don’t think for a moment that yiu can’t play play lacrosse in college. There are 75 d2 and 175 d3 schools all with spots available. That being said, see point #2
21. If you are pretty good then you can play d1. Everybody thinks d1 is unobtainable but there are plenty of d1 schools that are not that good that you can play at but…see point# 22
22. However don’t play d1 just for the sake of saying you played d1. You are much better off at a NESCAc or centennial d3 school then saying you played for Wagner hampton NJIT VMi sacred heart clevelandst vmi bellarmine Siena Detroitmercy LIU Manhattan etc. you get what I’m saying. The bottom 33 of lacrosse d1 are not that good and academically maybe not the strongest.
23. D2 is a good option but they are not the strongest academically
24. The majority of lax players go into finance. You want to go to a school with good education and good connections. And for goodness sake, when being recruited it is much better to say you are undecided then say anything in STEM. Many coaches don’t want students who study STEM. They want athletes.
25. Good luck being recruited if you play defense. They are the hardest to get recruited. Coaches want goalies, fogo, attackmen first. Then middies. Then LSM and SSDM and then dpoles last. The prospect days always seem to have too many dpoles and not enough middies.
26. If you are truly a superstar in the sport, then almost none of this applies to you. The rest of you? This is all “truth”
27. No matter where you go to school it will end up fine as soon as you stop chasing the lacrosse dream. Enjoy this time with your kids. It’s supposed to be fun. And please stop living vicariously through your kids. A wise man said don’t let lacrosse use you, you use lacrosse.

Remember this does not apply to everyone, it applies to the bell curve majority. Congrats to the few who beat the system or are lucky outliers. My condolences to those who spent 1-3 years reclassing and chasing a dream and missed out future income and personal growth. And yes, my two kids were not holdbacks and are doing perfectly fine playing lacrosse in college.
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Love reading these forums and the variety of opinions. Some are very helpful and some are laughable. Having been through the process, here are what I believe, to me, tone the “truths” and by truth, it applies to the bell curve majority. Disclaimer: these truths are really just opinion and you know what they say about people with opinions…

1. Many parents are trying to live vicariously through their children. Thus they don’t make the best lax decisions because they are doing it for themselves md not their kids but they still try to justify it.
2. I’ve seen the majority of lax parents make a lax decision for their college choice, not an academic decision, which is a short term decision with long term consequences
3. The vast majority of successful lacrosse players are reclass / PG. Period. It works. But not for all….
4. …as those successful players that reclassed are not representative of the true outcomes of most the holdbacks. The majority end up not at duke or the ivies. People need to look at the people who delayed college by 1-3 years and ended up exactly where they would have been had they not held back. That is where the majority of holdbacks end up, back at square 1 or square 2, not square 100 like everyone believes they end up.
5. Lacrosse is finite. Anybody who dreams of making a living out of playing lacrosse should consider a different career path
6. Stop comparing lacrosse success to basketball and football success. It shows you just want to be a wannabe in a niche sport. Those NIL deals are not for you. And don’t use a Georgia qb as the gold standard for being closer to 30 then 20 years old as the dream we should be chasing.
7. See #4 for football and basketball as again, we only see the successes and not the majority of the people who don’t go on to succeed.
8. Holdbacks are not illegal. They are allowed.
9. Holdbacks are a [Censored] way to get ahead in life. Can’t succeed in your own grade? Go ahead and beat up on kids younger than you. You can use “holding back” to get ahead in life at this stage in your life but that “get out of jail card” is a one time use only. You can’t use a holdback to solve all your deficiencies; it usually just hides them. But everyone who holds back and ended up not succeeded has always found a way to justify their holdback and come up with some reason why it was good. No one has enough courage to say it was a mistake.
10. The majority of holdbacks don’t go on to UNC, Virginia, duke and ivies. See #4
11. Lacrosse is quickly becoming an niche sport that caters to the wealthy. Equity is becoming a huge problem.
12. Club lacrosse is a business. They do not care about your recruitment unless it benefits them
13. College and club lacrosse are the chokepoints of what is ruining lacrosse. They want older kids because they are more mature, faster and stronger and will do anything to get them. That’s why they want holdbacks.
14. No no one cares about club lacrosse in high school. Check the 2022-2024 forums. No one posted in them because no one cares
15. Prospect days are purely a way for coaches to make money, unless you are actually invited
16. Speaking of making money, showcases are also in it to make money
17. Guess what? There’s nothing wrong with making money. But don’t fall prey to every event that spams you with an email inviting you to super duper future phenoms apex first class 1% all american showcase. Chose your events carefully. Avoid most with an “all star” team. Use these events to get film.
18. To get recruited you will have to do the dirty work and get yourself exposed at some of these money making showcases and prospect days. Make film, contact coaches and teams and most of all be good because that is what you are eventually going to be judged on
19. #18 is a farce. The best way into college is through connections. I hope your high school coach or if you are lucky enough to have a club coach that cares, has those connections
20. There is nothing wrong with playing lacrosse in college. Do it to have fun. And don’t think for a moment that yiu can’t play play lacrosse in college. There are 75 d2 and 175 d3 schools all with spots available. That being said, see point #2
21. If you are pretty good then you can play d1. Everybody thinks d1 is unobtainable but there are plenty of d1 schools that are not that good that you can play at but…see point# 22
22. However don’t play d1 just for the sake of saying you played d1. You are much better off at a NESCAc or centennial d3 school then saying you played for Wagner hampton NJIT VMi sacred heart clevelandst vmi bellarmine Siena Detroitmercy LIU Manhattan etc. you get what I’m saying. The bottom 33 of lacrosse d1 are not that good and academically maybe not the strongest.
23. D2 is a good option but they are not the strongest academically
24. The majority of lax players go into finance. You want to go to a school with good education and good connections. And for goodness sake, when being recruited it is much better to say you are undecided then say anything in STEM. Many coaches don’t want students who study STEM. They want athletes.
25. Good luck being recruited if you play defense. They are the hardest to get recruited. Coaches want goalies, fogo, attackmen first. Then middies. Then LSM and SSDM and then dpoles last. The prospect days always seem to have too many dpoles and not enough middies.
26. If you are truly a superstar in the sport, then almost none of this applies to you. The rest of you? This is all “truth”
27. No matter where you go to school it will end up fine as soon as you stop chasing the lacrosse dream. Enjoy this time with your kids. It’s supposed to be fun. And please stop living vicariously through your kids. A wise man said don’t let lacrosse use you, you use lacrosse.

Remember this does not apply to everyone, it applies to the bell curve majority. Congrats to the few who beat the system or are lucky outliers. My condolences to those who spent 1-3 years reclassing and chasing a dream and missed out future income and personal growth. And yes, my two kids were not holdbacks and are doing perfectly fine playing lacrosse in college.

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With HS winding down…it’s go time for this group. All about the quality minutes on the field this summer.

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Very sanctimonious. But this whole forum is full of bombastic and outrageous comments so it fits right in. Lax truths are not absolute; just find what applies to you. Some kids reclass and beat the system and it worked out beautifully. Most dont and their extra 1-3 years before college results in the same outcome if they didnt reclass. The ultimate truth is lax is ultimately finite. Almost everyone should not be making long term decision based on lacrosse alone. But the reality is the lacrosse would benefit greatly if an on age rule was put into place. It would be the great equalizer across club and colleges and would stop this funnel that cater only to those who have access and the money to benefit from this. Equity in lacrosse will only benefit the sport in the long run and I dont think the club or the college game would suffer if access was provided to all players who are interested. Until then, it will also be a niche sport.

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Rebels isnt even a B team at this point. Their "B" team would beat the team they sent to Fl this weekend. That's a lot of $ and time to fly to FL to get humiliated. And they got worse each game. Great job by the coaches too. Hey, at least their kids got to play. As for recruiting, the highlights were plentiful: "If you had a Rebels jersey, Here's what NOT to do"
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Rebels isnt even a B team at this point. Their "B" team would beat the team they sent to Fl this weekend. That's a lot of $ and time to fly to FL to get humiliated. And they got worse each game. Great job by the coaches too. Hey, at least their kids got to play. As for recruiting, the highlights were plentiful: "If you had a Rebels jersey, Here's what NOT to do"

Rebels are fine. Worry about your own team. Some teams don’t travel well in fall. But getting to go down there and expos yourself is an awesome opportunity. Wins and losses?? If you’re worrying about that you do not know that recruiting season has began. The only important thing right now is starting the process and opening as many doors for your little Johnny.


The process? What is that exactly? Endless posts this summer on Instagram? How many that followed the process were playing this past weekend in Philly in either the D1, 2 , or 3. I saw a lot of Express and 91 alumni on those rosters. Not sure of the other clubs on LI.

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Um Duke fogo

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Correct, Legacy I think. They do a great job with their recruiting. Probably equal to the big 2.

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Its all about exposure. But yeah, if your on a team that's getting destroyed you may as well burn your $.

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Its all about exposure. But yeah, if your on a team that's getting destroyed you may as well burn your $.


I agree, it’s a mix of playing on a team where first your son plays and also the club is entering the correct events. Some clubs have models that are designed to limit costs and travel, fine for pre HS years, but for the recruiting years, just staying local is probably not the best plan.

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Playing on a NLF club is a must. Anyone telling you something else is not on a NLF team and not in a good position, period.

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Playing on a NLF club is a must. Anyone telling you something else is not on a NLF team and not in a good position, period.

Yes, if your son can make the team and play meaningful minutes, the NLF seems have great exposure. But in my opinion, at this stage of the game, the only thing that matters is playing time and of course the club.

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Playing on a NLF club is a must. Anyone telling you something else is not on a NLF team and not in a good position, period.

Yes, if your son can make the team and play meaningful minutes, the NLF seems have great exposure. But in my opinion, at this stage of the game, the only thing that matters is playing time and of course the club.


I don’t feel it’s a must. I do agree it helps. My son and my older son play(ed) for a NLF team. The exposure is great. My 22’s High school teammates played for a non NLF club and did very well. In the end it’s how you market yourself. Many NLF kids on the 22 age did very well and some didn’t get what they were looking for. It comes down to marketing your kid and the kid themselves. How good of a player you are , your attitude and if you can take coaching. Grades matter for some when all things are equal on the playing field. The player with good grades will get recruited first

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Playing on a NLF club is a must. Anyone telling you something else is not on a NLF team and not in a good position, period.

Yes, if your son can make the team and play meaningful minutes, the NLF seems have great exposure. But in my opinion, at this stage of the game, the only thing that matters is playing time and of course the club.


I don’t feel it’s a must. I do agree it helps. My son and my older son play(ed) for a NLF team. The exposure is great. My 22’s High school teammates played for a non NLF club and did very well. In the end it’s how you market yourself. Many NLF kids on the 22 age did very well and some didn’t get what they were looking for. It comes down to marketing your kid and the kid themselves. How good of a player you are , your attitude and if you can take coaching. Grades matter for some when all things are equal on the playing field. The player with good grades will get recruited first

It’s actually frightening that you are real people who believe this nonsense.

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Interesting NLF results, a lot of non competitive games.

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What’s everyone’s opinion on B teams playing in A tournaments for recruiting exposure. I think it’s throwing away tournament, coaches won’t watch blowouts and pick up chairs after 5 min. And your just creating highlights for the other team,

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At this level there may be blowouts with less skilled teams entering but recruiters are not / should not be looking at teams and wins:losses but they are likely focusing on individual recruits they have on their list some of which may be in B squads. That’s my guess

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What’s everyone’s opinion on B teams playing in A tournaments for recruiting exposure. I think it’s throwing away tournament, coaches won’t watch blowouts and pick up chairs after 5 min. And your just creating highlights for the other team,


That’s why some events are better than others. It’s the same with some individual showcases. You get a mix level of talent.

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At this level there may be blowouts with less skilled teams entering but recruiters are not / should not be looking at teams and wins:losses but they are likely focusing on individual recruits they have on their list some of which may be in B squads. That’s my guess

I don’t think 2025 B team players are on any list. And they don’t care about wins and loses, but if your sons team get wiped out they won’t even watch.

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That is incorrect. Plenty of B players go on to play college ball. Maybe not as many will go on to play high level college ball but some B players do end up on D1 teams. I have no association with Team 91 but their B players tend to do well (At least they did with the class of 2023 with 6 D1 players and many others going to play for good D3 teams including NESCAC schools). But I dont know about 2024 and 2025 specifically. But coaches are everywhere and they are not there to go to championship games only to "discover" talent; almost always they have a list of players before they even show up at the tournament. So yes plenty of B players are coaches lists and they dont care if the team gets wiped out as long as "the player" they are watching does fine.

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That is incorrect. Plenty of B players go on to play college ball. Maybe not as many will go on to play high level college ball but some B players do end up on D1 teams. I have no association with Team 91 but their B players tend to do well (At least they did with the class of 2023 with 6 D1 players and many others going to play for good D3 teams including NESCAC schools). But I dont know about 2024 and 2025 specifically. But coaches are everywhere and they are not there to go to championship games only to "discover" talent; almost always they have a list of players before they even show up at the tournament. So yes plenty of B players are coaches lists and they dont care if the team gets wiped out as long as "the player" they are watching does fine.

You missed the point. Nobody said B players don’t play college. Point is Coaches don’t watch games that are wipe outs and therefore the chance to be any so called list is greatly diminished. This happens though when B teams try to play in AA because that’s what the parents want.

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That is incorrect. Plenty of B players go on to play college ball. Maybe not as many will go on to play high level college ball but some B players do end up on D1 teams. I have no association with Team 91 but their B players tend to do well (At least they did with the class of 2023 with 6 D1 players and many others going to play for good D3 teams including NESCAC schools). But I dont know about 2024 and 2025 specifically. But coaches are everywhere and they are not there to go to championship games only to "discover" talent; almost always they have a list of players before they even show up at the tournament. So yes plenty of B players are coaches lists and they dont care if the team gets wiped out as long as "the player" they are watching does fine.

You missed the point. Nobody said B players don’t play college. Point is Coaches don’t watch games that are wipe outs and therefore the chance to be any so called list is greatly diminished. This happens though when B teams try to play in AA because that’s what the parents want.

Didnt miss the point. What Im saying is almost all Coaches have a list of players they are there to see whether or not they are on a B or A squad. It actually helps the B player because it allows the Coaches to size them up against A competition; they could care less about the outcome of the game. Everyone knows that club high school lax is more about recruiting and much less about the results. The Coaches are not going to tournaments just to watch the A teams and the final because they want to see a good game. They may do so in hopes to find a gem not on their list but their primary purpose at the tournament is still, to get through their list of recruits.

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What is this Summer Exposure Event this weekend? Minus the 24 and 25 Rebel teams and its a really light tourney/showcase. Is this even a showcase event? I ask because Laxfest was very underwhelming with the exposure vs NYLA, which was about as good as it gets for a local event. I guess because NYLA is scheduled in early June vs this weekend that has Crabfest in Md, Sweetlax in Delaware, NXT in Pa. and Trilogy in Jersey.

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Laxfest definitely lost its luster in regards to college coaches that actually watched the 2025’s. Past years you saw a lot more coaches on sidelines. In my opinion the Legacy Summer Showdown is the best recruiting tournament on Long Island. 2 days 2 games each day no brackets. Just exposure for the players. It’s worth the steep price of admission.

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That is incorrect. Plenty of B players go on to play college ball. Maybe not as many will go on to play high level college ball but some B players do end up on D1 teams. I have no association with Team 91 but their B players tend to do well (At least they did with the class of 2023 with 6 D1 players and many others going to play for good D3 teams including NESCAC schools). But I dont know about 2024 and 2025 specifically. But coaches are everywhere and they are not there to go to championship games only to "discover" talent; almost always they have a list of players before they even show up at the tournament. So yes plenty of B players are coaches lists and they dont care if the team gets wiped out as long as "the player" they are watching does fine.

You missed the point. Nobody said B players don’t play college. Point is Coaches don’t watch games that are wipe outs and therefore the chance to be any so called list is greatly diminished. This happens though when B teams try to play in AA because that’s what the parents want.

What’s your proof? Do you know coaches who told you this? Or is this a personal opinion? Seems to me it’s a personal opinion and not based in any type of fact.

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Laxfest definitely lost its luster in regards to college coaches that actually watched the 2025’s. Past years you saw a lot more coaches on sidelines. In my opinion the Legacy Summer Showdown is the best recruiting tournament on Long Island. 2 days 2 games each day no brackets. Just exposure for the players. It’s worth the steep price of admission.


Yes it is. Unfortunately, it’s just top tier teams. But teams travel from all over for this one. Not sense in a lower tier team going. You won’t get looks, unless your son is goalie since he will see 30 shots. And yes, agree about Laxfest. No reason for our team to waste one of summer tourneys on Laxfest. We played in the afternoon both days and coaches were scarce on Saturday afternoon and nowhere Sunday. Just not proper planning in my opinion. All the varsity, 2024s and 2025 should played between 8am and noon. Don’t need anymore t-shirts.

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That is incorrect. Plenty of B players go on to play college ball. Maybe not as many will go on to play high level college ball but some B players do end up on D1 teams. I have no association with Team 91 but their B players tend to do well (At least they did with the class of 2023 with 6 D1 players and many others going to play for good D3 teams including NESCAC schools). But I dont know about 2024 and 2025 specifically. But coaches are everywhere and they are not there to go to championship games only to "discover" talent; almost always they have a list of players before they even show up at the tournament. So yes plenty of B players are coaches lists and they dont care if the team gets wiped out as long as "the player" they are watching does fine.

You missed the point. Nobody said B players don’t play college. Point is Coaches don’t watch games that are wipe outs and therefore the chance to be any so called list is greatly diminished. This happens though when B teams try to play in AA because that’s what the parents want.

What’s your proof? Do you know coaches who told you this? Or is this a personal opinion? Seems to me it’s a personal opinion and not based in any type of fact.

Agreed. It seems like personal opinion. All coaches have a list of players they are there to see regardless of B or AAAAAAAAAA status. They may watch a championship game if they have finished their evalutions. But I would be hard pressed to believe a coach is just traveling all over just to go watch AAAAAAA games without a purpose in hopes to discover talent.

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Laxfest definitely lost its luster in regards to college coaches that actually watched the 2025’s. Past years you saw a lot more coaches on sidelines. In my opinion the Legacy Summer Showdown is the best recruiting tournament on Long Island. 2 days 2 games each day no brackets. Just exposure for the players. It’s worth the steep price of admission.

Yup, some of these events are puzzling. The event at Farmingdale has a 2025 division with three Rebels teams in it? That’s is such a waste of time imho. Busiest weekend of the lax season. Why schedule an event this weekend, especially when there is nothing next weekend.

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