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Another person missing the point...not about one kid, about a system where HS coaches are strong arming all kids in their disctrict to either play (and Pay) for their travel team or forget about playing HS lax...

Come on people, you don't see this as a major conflict? HS coaches should be banned from running clinics and teams in the sprots they coach at the HS level.

Unlike college coaches, most LI public HS coaches are not professional coaches, they are teachers that coach for the extra cash. They teach bio and math and spanish and gym, they dont get their jobs because they are great coaches in any sport, they get their jobs because they can teach bio and math...

They are using their positions of power to force people to pay them. Plain and simple, conflict of interest.





Really come on. The great programs make room for a good coach who happens to be a teacher. When a great coach who runs a great program decides to step down his predecessor is already picked from either a core of assistant coaches from within or a bug name coach. With the cost of living on Long Island getting more and more expensive teachers and coaches must supplement their income and if they are a name in the lacrosse world he will draw. Now we are going to tell teachers they can't tutor on the side.

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what would have happened? Bowdoin would have been Nescac champs 4 straight yrs! are you kidding me? its life...this kid
rose to the occasion his sr year...for 22 straight games was brilliant. How was he missed? really? he wasnt missed, he didnt separate himself from the pack until sr. year. He played solid as a junior...not great. he should be an inspiration to many kids...keep working hard good things can happen...not guaranteed, but can happen.

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There are 54 D1, 30 D2 men's college lacrosse teams that offer scholarships. I believe the number of scholarships per D1 team is 16.9. As a college coach you can chop up that 16.9 to full, half, quarter scholarships. Take away Ivy but they have creative financial aide. If on average there are 35 players per D1 program that's approximately 1800 D 1 players covering 4-5 graduation years out of the huge numbers playing in this country. If a coach were to get real creative with his scholarships and give out 1/2 to everyone on his team that's only 1728 scholarships per cycle of players. It's a number that is always in flux based on what he needs to do.

Odds are parents your child is not going to get a scholarship there are over 500,000 registered youth lacrosse players and the number is growing year to year. Don't get so caught up in this craziness. Let your kid have a great experience with his friends and teammates allowing him to just be a kid.


I thought it was only 13 scholarships per D1 mens team?

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It is a conflict and it should be stopped.


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Do the HS coaches at WM also give private lessons for $$?

Does anyone know if any of the coaches have given private lessons to any of their players in the past?




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There are 54 D1, 30 D2 men's college lacrosse teams that offer scholarships. I believe the number of scholarships per D1 team is 16.9. As a college coach you can chop up that 16.9 to full, half, quarter scholarships. Take away Ivy but they have creative financial aide. If on average there are 35 players per D1 program that's approximately 1800 D 1 players covering 4-5 graduation years out of the huge numbers playing in this country. If a coach were to get real creative with his scholarships and give out 1/2 to everyone on his team that's only 1728 scholarships per cycle of players. It's a number that is always in flux based on what he needs to do.

Odds are parents your child is not going to get a scholarship there are over 500,000 registered youth lacrosse players and the number is growing year to year. Don't get so caught up in this craziness. Let your kid have a great experience with his friends and teammates allowing him to just be a kid.


I thought it was only 13 scholarships per D1 mens team?

It's 12.6 scholarships for D1. Also they normally carry a roster of 40-45. Every player expects to get something because being a D1 athlete is like a full time job. Many of the kids on the roster won't even see the field. The best kids may get a little more than half. Full rides simply don't happen. Actually they can but it would be for an exceptional player going to an average school. A tradeoff. Most kids would not go for that. A really good player going to a really good school can expect a quarter to half (if they are really lucky). The money positions, where a little more money is offered are goalie, lefty attack and face off. Your kid can get a scholarship, don't let anyone tell them they can't! But, they need to want it, not you, and it takes talent, self-motivated hard work, and a little luck. Getting onto a good club team can help especially if your HS coach isn't plying you. The other problem is that great HS programs usually don't play even the good kids to much until they're juniors and seniors. This is a problem because the spots are scarce by then. One more thing, check out the roster of any good D1 program, you will see that about 80% of the kids are from prep schools. The rich spoiled brats are taking most of the spots from regular kids, even though public schools make up the bulk of youth lax players. Not that they don't deserve it, but they have been carefully groomed and manipulated from an early age, putting all the regular kids at an even bigger disadvantage when it comes recruting. This is partly because many of them are holdbacks, but also because they are at all the best camps/clinics/trainers/tournaments. Seems like a no-win situation where the rich get richer, and the poor.... but for the kids who make it, it's the best feeling in the world. Good luck to everyone on this journey!If the kid has talent, most likely, he will be noticed!

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its not about winning championships? lax is a team sport, correct? are you saying its all about getting little johnny recruited? if so, your in the wrong sport. i think too many parents do not care how their hs team does during the season & if johnny gets his 4 goals a game he gunna get recruited...yea for jihnny!!! some teammate he is.

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its not about winning championships? lax is a team sport, correct? are you saying its all about getting little johnny recruited? if so, your in the wrong sport. i think too many parents do not care how their hs team does during the season & if johnny gets his 4 goals a game he gunna get recruited...yea for jihnny!!! some teammate he is.

For many parents, especially those whose kid excels, it does become about recruiting. That's just the way it is. Yes it is a team sport, later Johnny can thank his mediocre team mates for helping him get into/help pay for a great college, by making him stand out. Hopefully they will remain friends ! Everyone can't be a superstar, but it is nice to know you helped someone get there too!

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its not about winning championships? lax is a team sport, correct? are you saying its all about getting little johnny recruited? if so, your in the wrong sport. i think too many parents do not care how their hs team does during the season & if johnny gets his 4 goals a game he gunna get recruited...yea for jihnny!!! some teammate he is.


The off season should be about helping all players improve. The HS should be about winning but in the off season kids should not be restricted.

WM has been a dominant team for the better part of 40 years, what they do in a few summer tournaments has not been the reason for their dominance.

What takes place in three village is wrong.

The HS coaches and the three village board coerce and bully families into playing only for three v / WM even when it is not in the best interest of the player.

At a Town Hall Meeting the HS coaches and three village board members stood up and told the community "We have the best coaches here in three village, there is no need to go anywhere else".

Do you know how many three village board members send their kids to private lessons and clinics that they do not tell the rest of the team or league about?

If the best coaches are in three village why send them to an outside clinic?

I do not have an issue with the HS coach wanting to work with his players in the off season but the way it is being done at WM is wrong.

If money is changing hands it is a major conflict of interest.

If there is an implied threat it is wrong.

If it is not in the best interest of the player it is wrong.

Winning at the HS should be a priority for the HS coach but what they do in the off season could be altered in order to better prepare for the Varsity season.

Limited practice and five meaningless tournaments is not he best way to prepare for the Varsity Season.




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its not about winning championships? lax is a team sport, correct? are you saying its all about getting little johnny recruited? if so, your in the wrong sport. i think too many parents do not care how their hs team does during the season & if johnny gets his 4 goals a game he gunna get recruited...yea for jihnny!!! some teammate he is.


The off season should be about helping all players improve. The HS should be about winning but in the off season kids should not be restricted.

WM has been a dominant team for the better part of 40 years, what they do in a few summer tournaments has not been the reason for their dominance.

What takes place in three village is wrong.

The HS coaches and the three village board coerce and bully families into playing only for three v / WM even when it is not in the best interest of the player.

At a Town Hall Meeting the HS coaches and three village board members stood up and told the community "We have the best coaches here in three village, there is no need to go anywhere else".

Do you know how many three village board members send their kids to private lessons and clinics that they do not tell the rest of the team or league about?

If the best coaches are in three village why send them to an outside clinic?

I do not have an issue with the HS coach wanting to work with his players in the off season but the way it is being done at WM is wrong.

If money is changing hands it is a major conflict of interest.

If there is an implied threat it is wrong.

If it is not in the best interest of the player it is wrong.

Winning at the HS should be a priority for the HS coach but what they do in the off season could be altered in order to better prepare for the Varsity season.

Limited practice and five meaningless tournaments is not he best way to prepare for the Varsity Season.





It seems this has been the growing trend in quite a few lax towns. I agree, it is a total conflict of interest.

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its not about winning championships? lax is a team sport, correct? are you saying its all about getting little johnny recruited? if so, your in the wrong sport. i think too many parents do not care how their hs team does during the season & if johnny gets his 4 goals a game he gunna get recruited...yea for jihnny!!! some teammate he is.


The off season should be about helping all players improve. The HS should be about winning but in the off season kids should not be restricted.

WM has been a dominant team for the better part of 40 years, what they do in a few summer tournaments has not been the reason for their dominance.

What takes place in three village is wrong.

The HS coaches and the three village board coerce and bully families into playing only for three v / WM even when it is not in the best interest of the player.

At a Town Hall Meeting the HS coaches and three village board members stood up and told the community "We have the best coaches here in three village, there is no need to go anywhere else".

Do you know how many three village board members send their kids to private lessons and clinics that they do not tell the rest of the team or league about?

If the best coaches are in three village why send them to an outside clinic?

I do not have an issue with the HS coach wanting to work with his players in the off season but the way it is being done at WM is wrong.

If money is changing hands it is a major conflict of interest.

If there is an implied threat it is wrong.

If it is not in the best interest of the player it is wrong.

Winning at the HS should be a priority for the HS coach but what they do in the off season could be altered in order to better prepare for the Varsity season.

Limited practice and five meaningless tournaments is not he best way to prepare for the Varsity Season.



what is the best way to prepare? not sure i understand your point. wm summer team plays in the same summer touraments that the top club teams play in, wm plays it the top level
of each tournament....so if you were to play for a club team, you are doing the same, no?
clubs pratcice a few times a week as well...ive never heard of a senario where a kid played outside 3 village & it was held against him....that is just bs...these coaches put the best players on the field. 2 maybe 3 yrs ago, wm goalie now at (tufts)? played outside the program
for many years & he started on the varsity ....best players will play..too many parents who's kids ARE NOT good enough will [lacrosse] until the cows come home, stop the whining

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do you have a better way to improve in the off season? example?
how would you do it?

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its not about winning championships? lax is a team sport, correct? are you saying its all about getting little johnny recruited? if so, your in the wrong sport. i think too many parents do not care how their hs team does during the season & if johnny gets his 4 goals a game he gunna get recruited...yea for jihnny!!! some teammate he is.


The off season should be about helping all players improve. The HS should be about winning but in the off season kids should not be restricted.

WM has been a dominant team for the better part of 40 years, what they do in a few summer tournaments has not been the reason for their dominance.

What takes place in three village is wrong.

The HS coaches and the three village board coerce and bully families into playing only for three v / WM even when it is not in the best interest of the player.

At a Town Hall Meeting the HS coaches and three village board members stood up and told the community "We have the best coaches here in three village, there is no need to go anywhere else".

Do you know how many three village board members send their kids to private lessons and clinics that they do not tell the rest of the team or league about?

If the best coaches are in three village why send them to an outside clinic?

I do not have an issue with the HS coach wanting to work with his players in the off season but the way it is being done at WM is wrong.

If money is changing hands it is a major conflict of interest.

If there is an implied threat it is wrong.

If it is not in the best interest of the player it is wrong.

Winning at the HS should be a priority for the HS coach but what they do in the off season could be altered in order to better prepare for the Varsity season.

Limited practice and five meaningless tournaments is not he best way to prepare for the Varsity Season.

I think the fact that the school district is very large which means more kids to chose from has more to do with the success than the coaches who feel they are the "gold" standard. As with most sports the good coaches have the most talent to work with.




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this post is a crock ....the wm summer teams only have 25 players...all the kids play. if you are a wm parent you would know this. you do get the exposure to recruiters...every kid played including goalies. the 12-15 kid senario is bogus.

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agreed I actually thought they had 27 sound like sour grapes to a disgruntled parent .

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Mine is on and made the team. Happy he did but understand that others will not be as happy...

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this post is a crock ....the wm summer teams only have 25 players...all the kids play. if you are a wm parent you would know this. you do get the exposure to recruiters...every kid played including goalies. the 12-15 kid senario is bogus.

Truly glad that your son had a great experience. No sarcasm here. As a 3V parent, this is helpful to know. A concern I have is that the WM Summer Teams ( both Green and Gold) play multi grade level which is not ideal for recruiting. I'm sure parents will come on and defend this, but its not Does the Green Team play in the top division? I know for a fact that the Gold team made up of rising 10 th and 11th graders did not play in the top division. So is this the best way to be seen if this was your goal? If thats not the goal for yiur son, then its fine Maybe it's a good way to help get playing time for your son on the school team. My dilemma brings me back to the original thread. What if my son wants to play in the most competitive tournaments to improve his game? What if he feels that club will help him reach his goal? Will a high school coach hold it against him because he felt he wasn't being loyal when school was not in session? If my sons not good enough to be the chosen 12-15 during the school season, I'm realistic and would get the lack of playing time. However, if he was deserving and wasn't given a chance because he didn't help contribute to the coach's summer salary, there's a definite conflict. I guess we'll have to roll the dice this year.

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I think last year it was 28 or 29 players on the Green team.

Who cares, the question is:

Is it a conflict of interest for a High School Coach to coerce players into playing for a summer team when he has a financial interest in that team?

Be Honest...

To those of you who believe that (the coach will play the best players) I will challenge you by saying that (the coach will play who he believes to be the best players). They may or may not be the best players but it is his decision.

In a district the size of Ward Melville there are very good players who do not get on the field. The coach does not always select the best player. Take a look at this years team, many of their best players did not see much playing time as juniors. Were last years Seniors so much better??

I am not questioning the coaches, I am pointing out that they are blessed with depth and that not every kid can get quality playing time.

If you feel that your son would be better served by doing something different for the summer so be it. No player should be punished for trying to get better and help himself.

The question is: Is it a conflict of interest????






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I think last year it was 28 or 29 players on the Green team.

Who cares, the question is:

Is it a conflict of interest for a High School Coach to coerce players into playing for a summer team when he has a financial interest in that team?

Be Honest...

To those of you who believe that (the coach will play the best players) I will challenge you by saying that (the coach will play who he believes to be the best players). They may or may not be the best players but it is his decision.

In a district the size of Ward Melville there are very good players who do not get on the field. The coach does not always select the best player. Take a look at this years team, many of their best players did not see much playing time as juniors. Were last years Seniors so much better??

I am not questioning the coaches, I am pointing out that they are blessed with depth and that not every kid can get quality playing time.

If you feel that your son would be better served by doing something different for the summer so be it. No player should be punished for trying to get better and help himself.

The question is: Is it a conflict of interest????


It is if the coaches (town and school) advise them to not play club. They claim they are trying to build a program, but I need to be paid for their time. No problem with that or the hs coaches making money. However, there should be no pressure to play. That is ridiculous and that behavior/policy is unacceptable. The club vs town/school issue rages on.... These coaches should just form a club and embrace it. Imagine a club run by the wm, Smithtown, and sachem coaches.






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are you kidding? the coaches only put who they think are the best players.... yea! who should pick then you? you are delusional. lets have mommy pick... did you read what you wrote or are you that clueless? this yrs sr class WAS & Is that much better. Hands down. Bottom line its a numbers game
hot everyone can get on the field. Move to a district that doesnt have as competitive of a program & your superstar will have a mailbox full of full schollys. as far as sm wm & sachem
putting a club together? another clueless statement...all great programs ...too many kids! same program again.
you parents ran the dads coaching the hs summer team out of town, that concept wasnt right because all the dad's kids were getting all the full rides so then you wanted the hs coaches involved...NOW thats not working...lets have MOMMMY coach!

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another parent mis informed....playing multi level not
ideal for recruiting? com'on...lets see, petey only plays well against kids his own age....lol coaches know what grade a player is in. And if your playing on a team like WM, coaches
have a very high level of respect for the WM program & that goes a long way for your kid...more than you know...so the fact that a 9, 10th grader is playing on WM team gets you interest.they dont expect that kid to be dominating a raising senior...they are looking at lax iq, hustle, etc. maybe you should contact a college coach and ask, what do you look for
in a player? you may be surprised & certainly tell them you play in the WM program....your other comment, what if my son wants to play in a more competitive tournament? you REALLY me that YOU want him to play in a more competitive tournament! on other words your kid only plays his best when he is on a "stacked" team? one thing you will find out after the conversation with that college coach is that they look for kids that make the other players around them, BETTER! they want NOTHING to do with the prima donna that can only play with good players. Last ask that coach why they ALWAYS talk to the kids hs coach? because these club coaches are full of crap
when it comes to a kids talent level....follow the money...clubs will keep telling you are a cant miss D1 player...why? cause they want your $$$ next year & next year
etc. Dont forget the club scens has many levels...each club has a #1 team. if you're not on it, your tosing your money away
espcially if your a wm kid...talk about a drop off. you shouldnt lose sight of the value playing for the WM program.

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are you kidding? the coaches only put who they think are the best players.... yea! who should pick then you? you are delusional. lets have mommy pick... did you read what you wrote or are you that clueless? this yrs sr class WAS & Is that much better. Hands down. Bottom line its a numbers game
hot everyone can get on the field. Move to a district that doesnt have as competitive of a program & your superstar will have a mailbox full of full schollys. as far as sm wm & sachem
putting a club together? another clueless statement...all great programs ...too many kids! same program again.
you parents ran the dads coaching the hs summer team out of town, that concept wasnt right because all the dad's kids were getting all the full rides so then you wanted the hs coaches involved...NOW thats not working...lets have MOMMMY coach!


Go back and read it again. You have a bug up your a-- about something. No complaining about who plays and who does not. I said it is up to the coach. I said that there are very good kids that sometimes do not get to play (like when this years seniors were juniors) not all of them saw a lot of time. (were they not good as juniors?)

You either can't read or you can't comprehend.

Simple question, is it a conflict of interest?

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where is the example of a player being punished? a lot of talk here about it...any example? find it hard to believe.

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i heard 5 ninth graders are on green team. not right they should pay there dues on gold before going to green.

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they didnt play as juniors because at that point in time, there were better players a head of them. Remember the coach plays who HE thinks is the best players. dont forget, players
improve, some stay the same, and some regress. the WM pole has an amazing senior year..took advatange of the opportunity & made the best of it. same thing for this year, which kids will step up ? there are a lot of 2014's that have the potential to have great senior years. wait & see.

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i dont see a conflict. if its true that the melville summer team plays all 25-29 (whatever the #) players, how is this a problem? i assume making the summer team is tough, most spring varsity rosters are closer to 40 & they have a 2nd team gold, which is a jv team. There was a previous post about a funnel & how the numbers of players widdles down as the palyers get older. so its about 50 -55 players for the summer. if your NOT in the top 50 of your hs, are you recruit level? these coaches are not strong arming anyone, thats alot of nonsense. if you get get cut these teams (& this is why they have tryouts in Aug) so you can go to a club & find a home. get real with your kid, just because you or your kid wants to play college lacrosse are you really capable? odds are if your not making the cut now, chill out with being so obsessed with getting recruited. Tons of college club teams to play for & will give you a great lax experience etc.

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another parent mis informed....playing multi level not
ideal for recruiting? com'on...lets see, petey only plays well against kids his own age....lol coaches know what grade a player is in. And if your playing on a team like WM, coaches
have a very high level of respect for the WM program & that goes a long way for your kid...more than you know...so the fact that a 9, 10th grader is playing on WM team gets you interest.they dont expect that kid to be dominating a raising senior...they are looking at lax iq, hustle, etc. maybe you should contact a college coach and ask, what do you look for
in a player? you may be surprised & certainly tell them you play in the WM program....your other comment, what if my son wants to play in a more competitive tournament? you REALLY me that YOU want him to play in a more competitive tournament! on other words your kid only plays his best when he is on a "stacked" team? one thing you will find out after the conversation with that college coach is that they look for kids that make the other players around them, BETTER! they want NOTHING to do with the prima donna that can only play with good players. Last ask that coach why they ALWAYS talk to the kids hs coach? because these club coaches are full of crap
when it comes to a kids talent level....follow the money...clubs will keep telling you are a cant miss D1 player...why? cause they want your $$$ next year & next year
etc. Dont forget the club scens has many levels...each club has a #1 team. if you're not on it, your tosing your money away
espcially if your a wm kid...talk about a drop off. you shouldnt lose sight of the value playing for the WM program.




First of all, my post was trying to be positive. You have a lot of anger and clearly don't even want to see both point of views. Calling me misinformed demonstrates that. Please read objectively.

Let's start with your first argument about multi level. Maybe you should talk to some of the WM 2012 Summer Green Team parents about how when WM got on the field to play as rising seniors even though there were younger players, there were instances when coaches walked away assuming that if a senior was that good he would have been committed already. Some of these coaches were unaware that mixed grades were playing. This was a big disadvantage for rising juniors. This is a fact and a valid concern. Hopefully, this was rectified for the players this summer.

Of course, coaches look for hustle and lacrosse IQ. You offered no new insight there. Coaches also look at the behavior of the player on and off the field as well as their parents' behavior. This holds true for both WM and club.

Of course, playing for WM during the school season holds weight with college coaches. WM has a long history of great lacrosse. Not sure it holds as much weight during the summer. You should ask them that. Some coaches want to know if you can mesh well with players from other towns and not just the ones that you have played PAL with since 2nd grade. After all, you are not taking your entire HS team to college with you.

As far as your point of wanting my son to play on a "stacked" team, I never said that. I think it is a benefit for my son to play in more competitive tournaments as does he, so he can be amongst some of the most competitive players in his age group. This shows us where he falls and what he needs to work on. It helps raise his level of play. It's good for him to learn from players that he does not play with all the time and be inspired by them. This does not mean he doesn't look up to his school teammates because he has respect for them too. This also does not mean that he is a "prima donna" as you put it. If you knew my son at all, you would know that he is a very unselfish player. I guess name calling and insulting a young teen makes you feel better and somehow makes you think your point is valid.

As far as the "club scene" that you negatively refer too, he is on the #1 team since you brought it up. That doesn't mean that the B Teams do not have talent which I am sure you are aware of since they have beaten 3V's A team on many occasion including Patriots Elite's team as well.

Yes, playing club does cost more $, but probably not as much $ as you would think. You get what you pay for. It's probably comparable to all the $ WM kids pay for private lessons and the clinics they try to take discretely after the parents proclaim that we have the best coaches anywhere and no need to go anywhere else. In years to come if my son wants to play college lacrosse and if he has the talent and the grades, I have no doubt that my son's club coaches and school coaches will do whatever they can to help him get recruited whether it be D1, D2, or D3.

All these boys will be playing school lacrosse together. It's important that we respect each other and the different decisions parents made for their sons. In all situations, everyone has their child's best interest in mind. There are just different avenues for helping your child improve his lacrosse skills. We never lost sight of playing for a WM program. We live in the district first for it's reputation for a great education, it's a wonderful community to raise a family and it certainly helps that my children love lacrosse in a district that excels at the sport.

I have faith that our HS coach would never hold it against an athlete based on where he decided to play during the off season. Each player needs to be evaluated each season based on school tryouts. Because then surely it would be a conflict of interest if WM's coach cut or didn't play a deserving athlete due to that athlete not contributing to his summer salary.

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I think your stirring the pot by making that statement teams haven't been emailed yet.

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are you kidding? the coaches only put who they think are the best players.... yea! who should pick then you? you are delusional. lets have mommy pick... did you read what you wrote or are you that clueless? this yrs sr class WAS & Is that much better. Hands down. Bottom line its a numbers game
hot everyone can get on the field. Move to a district that doesnt have as competitive of a program & your superstar will have a mailbox full of full schollys. as far as sm wm & sachem
putting a club together? another clueless statement...all great programs ...too many kids! same program again.
you parents ran the dads coaching the hs summer team out of town, that concept wasnt right because all the dad's kids were getting all the full rides so then you wanted the hs coaches involved...NOW thats not working...lets have MOMMMY coach!


did you make a point? i think i missed it. because it reads like complete jabberwockey...

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Agreed -- no one has been informed who is on what team yet. A little early to say that there are 9th graders on a team....

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another parent mis informed....playing multi level not
ideal for recruiting? com'on...lets see, petey only plays well against kids his own age....lol coaches know what grade a player is in. And if your playing on a team like WM, coaches
have a very high level of respect for the WM program & that goes a long way for your kid...more than you know...so the fact that a 9, 10th grader is playing on WM team gets you interest.they dont expect that kid to be dominating a raising senior...they are looking at lax iq, hustle, etc. maybe you should contact a college coach and ask, what do you look for
in a player? you may be surprised & certainly tell them you play in the WM program....your other comment, what if my son wants to play in a more competitive tournament? you REALLY me that YOU want him to play in a more competitive tournament! on other words your kid only plays his best when he is on a "stacked" team? one thing you will find out after the conversation with that college coach is that they look for kids that make the other players around them, BETTER! they want NOTHING to do with the prima donna that can only play with good players. Last ask that coach why they ALWAYS talk to the kids hs coach? because these club coaches are full of crap
when it comes to a kids talent level....follow the money...clubs will keep telling you are a cant miss D1 player...why? cause they want your $$$ next year & next year
etc. Dont forget the club scens has many levels...each club has a #1 team. if you're not on it, your tosing your money away
espcially if your a wm kid...talk about a drop off. you shouldnt lose sight of the value playing for the WM program.




First of all, my post was trying to be positive. You have a lot of anger and clearly don't even want to see both point of views. Calling me misinformed demonstrates that. Please read objectively.

Let's start with your first argument about multi level. Maybe you should talk to some of the WM 2012 Summer Green Team parents about how when WM got on the field to play as rising seniors even though there were younger players, there were instances when coaches walked away assuming that if a senior was that good he would have been committed already. Some of these coaches were unaware that mixed grades were playing. This was a big disadvantage for rising juniors. This is a fact and a valid concern. Hopefully, this was rectified for the players this summer.

Of course, coaches look for hustle and lacrosse IQ. You offered no new insight there. Coaches also look at the behavior of the player on and off the field as well as their parents' behavior. This holds true for both WM and club.

Of course, playing for WM during the school season holds weight with college coaches. WM has a long history of great lacrosse. Not sure it holds as much weight during the summer. You should ask them that. Some coaches want to know if you can mesh well with players from other towns and not just the ones that you have played PAL with since 2nd grade. After all, you are not taking your entire HS team to college with you.

As far as your point of wanting my son to play on a "stacked" team, I never said that. I think it is a benefit for my son to play in more competitive tournaments as does he, so he can be amongst some of the most competitive players in his age group. This shows us where he falls and what he needs to work on. It helps raise his level of play. It's good for him to learn from players that he does not play with all the time and be inspired by them. This does not mean he doesn't look up to his school teammates because he has respect for them too. This also does not mean that he is a "prima donna" as you put it. If you knew my son at all, you would know that he is a very unselfish player. I guess name calling and insulting a young teen makes you feel better and somehow makes you think your point is valid.

As far as the "club scene" that you negatively refer too, he is on the #1 team since you brought it up. That doesn't mean that the B Teams do not have talent which I am sure you are aware of since they have beaten 3V's A team on many occasion including Patriots Elite's team as well.

Yes, playing club does cost more $, but probably not as much $ as you would think. You get what you pay for. It's probably comparable to all the $ WM kids pay for private lessons and the clinics they try to take discretely after the parents proclaim that we have the best coaches anywhere and no need to go anywhere else. In years to come if my son wants to play college lacrosse and if he has the talent and the grades, I have no doubt that my son's club coaches and school coaches will do whatever they can to help him get recruited whether it be D1, D2, or D3.

All these boys will be playing school lacrosse together. It's important that we respect each other and the different decisions parents made for their sons. In all situations, everyone has their child's best interest in mind. There are just different avenues for helping your child improve his lacrosse skills. We never lost sight of playing for a WM program. We live in the district first for it's reputation for a great education, it's a wonderful community to raise a family and it certainly helps that my children love lacrosse in a district that excels at the sport.

I have faith that our HS coach would never hold it against an athlete based on where he decided to play during the off season. Each player needs to be evaluated each season based on school tryouts. Because then surely it would be a conflict of interest if WM's coach cut or didn't play a deserving athlete due to that athlete not contributing to his summer salary.


BRAVO! See you all at the club tryouts over the next few weeks...

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they didnt play as juniors because at that point in time, there were better players a head of them. Remember the coach plays who HE thinks is the best players. dont forget, players
improve, some stay the same, and some regress. the WM pole has an amazing senior year..took advatange of the opportunity & made the best of it. same thing for this year, which kids will step up ? there are a lot of 2014's that have the potential to have great senior years. wait & see.


Do you truly believe that the coaches get it right 100% of the time?

At WM there are very good players that do not get quality playing time and that is OK. But please do not insist that "the coaches play the best kids".

The coaches try their best and they play who they believe to be the best but every year there are very good players who do not see the field. Every kid they play is good but not every good player gets to play. That is reality, not a complaint.

If the WM coaches do not favor you son in the 9th or 10th grade does it make sense to play with WM in the summer if he could play for a strong club team?

I am not sure what to do.

But this is the situation that makes me ask the question.

Is it a conflict of interest for the HS Coach?

I think it is.



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they didnt play as juniors because at that point in time, there were better players a head of them. Remember the coach plays who HE thinks is the best players. dont forget, players
improve, some stay the same, and some regress. the WM pole has an amazing senior year..took advatange of the opportunity & made the best of it. same thing for this year, which kids will step up ? there are a lot of 2014's that have the potential to have great senior years. wait & see.


Do you truly believe that the coaches get it right 100% of the time?

At WM there are very good players that do not get quality playing time and that is OK. But please do not insist that "the coaches play the best kids".

The coaches try their best and they play who they believe to be the best but every year there are very good players who do not see the field. Every kid they play is good but not every good player gets to play. That is reality, not a complaint.

If the WM coaches do not favor you son in the 9th or 10th grade does it make sense to play with WM in the summer if he could play for a strong club team?

I am not sure what to do.

But this is the situation that makes me ask the question.

Is it a conflict of interest for the HS Coach?

I think it is.




It amazing that the coaches just lead their team and community to a national ranking and state championship and are still being hammered by the parents in their community. What a shame. The truth is if your a parent you have an comment for everything, and if your an alumni of the greatest high school lacrosse program in the country you have a real clue about the truth and what it takes to play at the next level. Here's a big clue to play at the next level for the players, you go to college by yourself, mom and dad stay home. Here's another clue, if you think playing on express or 91 is better for your kid to get into college your wrong. As per every college coach they think its a joke that these kids play for another team other then their high school especially if they live in sachem, smith town, west I, ward Melville. This shows them lack of commitment, believe, trust, and most importantly to every coach, character! Which stems from their up bringing and beliefs. No coach will recruit a player who's parent is an issue as well. Believe what you want but this is the absolute truth.
Ward Melville lacrosse is back, be a part of it or don't! Either way the coaches and players will not care what any of you have to say and they will continue to do what's right for the program and community, and that's WIN!

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they didnt play as juniors because at that point in time, there were better players a head of them. Remember the coach plays who HE thinks is the best players. dont forget, players
improve, some stay the same, and some regress. the WM pole has an amazing senior year..took advatange of the opportunity & made the best of it. same thing for this year, which kids will step up ? there are a lot of 2014's that have the potential to have great senior years. wait & see.


Do you truly believe that the coaches get it right 100% of the time?

At WM there are very good players that do not get quality playing time and that is OK. But please do not insist that "the coaches play the best kids".

The coaches try their best and they play who they believe to be the best but every year there are very good players who do not see the field. Every kid they play is good but not every good player gets to play. That is reality, not a complaint.

If the WM coaches do not favor you son in the 9th or 10th grade does it make sense to play with WM in the summer if he could play for a strong club team?

I am not sure what to do.

But this is the situation that makes me ask the question.

Is it a conflict of interest for the HS Coach?

I think it is.




It amazing that the coaches just lead their team and community to a national ranking and state championship and are still being hammered by the parents in their community. What a shame. The truth is if your a parent you have an comment for everything, and if your an alumni of the greatest high school lacrosse program in the country you have a real clue about the truth and what it takes to play at the next level. Here's a big clue to play at the next level for the players, you go to college by yourself, mom and dad stay home. Here's another clue, if you think playing on express or 91 is better for your kid to get into college your wrong. As per every college coach they think its a joke that these kids play for another team other then their high school especially if they live in sachem, smith town, west I, ward Melville. This shows them lack of commitment, believe, trust, and most importantly to every coach, character! Which stems from their up bringing and beliefs. No coach will recruit a player who's parent is an issue as well. Believe what you want but this is the absolute truth.
Ward Melville lacrosse is back, be a part of it or don't! Either way the coaches and players will not care what any of you have to say and they will continue to do what's right for the program and community, and that's WIN!


who is hammering the coaches?

you are a very angry and arrogant person.

Absolute truth??

Ward Melville Lacrosse is back?? I did not know they left.








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Kudos to the WM coaches. No one is saying that they didn't do a great job leading their players to a state championship. The previous poster even said that they try their best. You can honestly say that you talked to every college coach and they think 91 and Express are jokes? Really? If that's the case, then why do they have such a high rate of commitments to very impressive schools? Once again, the thread is about if it is a conflict. It doesn't mean that people do not think the coaches do a great job during the school season. It purely means, could there be a possible conflict and many many people believe there could be. Even some of the players/parents that play on the green and gold team believe it, but play on it just in case it is held against them. People are entitled to their humble opinion.

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they didnt play as juniors because at that point in time, there were better players a head of them. Remember the coach plays who HE thinks is the best players. dont forget, players
improve, some stay the same, and some regress. the WM pole has an amazing senior year..took advatange of the opportunity & made the best of it. same thing for this year, which kids will step up ? there are a lot of 2014's that have the potential to have great senior years. wait & see.


Do you truly believe that the coaches get it right 100% of the time?

At WM there are very good players that do not get quality playing time and that is OK. But please do not insist that "the coaches play the best kids".

The coaches try their best and they play who they believe to be the best but every year there are very good players who do not see the field. Every kid they play is good but not every good player gets to play. That is reality, not a complaint.

If the WM coaches do not favor you son in the 9th or 10th grade does it make sense to play with WM in the summer if he could play for a strong club team?

I am not sure what to do.

But this is the situation that makes me ask the question.

Is it a conflict of interest for the HS Coach?

I think it is.




It amazing that the coaches just lead their team and community to a national ranking and state championship and are still being hammered by the parents in their community. What a shame. The truth is if your a parent you have an comment for everything, and if your an alumni of the greatest high school lacrosse program in the country you have a real clue about the truth and what it takes to play at the next level. Here's a big clue to play at the next level for the players, you go to college by yourself, mom and dad stay home. Here's another clue, if you think playing on express or 91 is better for your kid to get into college your wrong. As per every college coach they think its a joke that these kids play for another team other then their high school especially if they live in sachem, smith town, west I, ward Melville. This shows them lack of commitment, believe, trust, and most importantly to every coach, character! Which stems from their up bringing and beliefs. No coach will recruit a player who's parent is an issue as well. Believe what you want but this is the absolute truth.
Ward Melville lacrosse is back, be a part of it or don't! Either way the coaches and players will not care what any of you have to say and they will continue to do what's right for the program and community, and that's WIN!


Did all of the past Ward Melville Players who (played for a club) have low character? were they not committed?

Army, Umass, Sacred heart, Brown, Penn State/North Carolina etc... must not have agreed with you.

People are trying to do what is best for the kid so they might have a chance to play for Ward Melville.

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they didnt play as juniors because at that point in time, there were better players a head of them. Remember the coach plays who HE thinks is the best players. dont forget, players
improve, some stay the same, and some regress. the WM pole has an amazing senior year..took advatange of the opportunity & made the best of it. same thing for this year, which kids will step up ? there are a lot of 2014's that have the potential to have great senior years. wait & see.


Do you truly believe that the coaches get it right 100% of the time?

At WM there are very good players that do not get quality playing time and that is OK. But please do not insist that "the coaches play the best kids".

The coaches try their best and they play who they believe to be the best but every year there are very good players who do not see the field. Every kid they play is good but not every good player gets to play. That is reality, not a complaint.

If the WM coaches do not favor you son in the 9th or 10th grade does it make sense to play with WM in the summer if he could play for a strong club team?

I am not sure what to do.

But this is the situation that makes me ask the question.

Is it a conflict of interest for the HS Coach?

I think it is.




It amazing that the coaches just lead their team and community to a national ranking and state championship and are still being hammered by the parents in their community. What a shame. The truth is if your a parent you have an comment for everything, and if your an alumni of the greatest high school lacrosse program in the country you have a real clue about the truth and what it takes to play at the next level. Here's a big clue to play at the next level for the players, you go to college by yourself, mom and dad stay home. Here's another clue, if you think playing on express or 91 is better for your kid to get into college your wrong. As per every college coach they think its a joke that these kids play for another team other then their high school especially if they live in sachem, smith town, west I, ward Melville. This shows them lack of commitment, believe, trust, and most importantly to every coach, character! Which stems from their up bringing and beliefs. No coach will recruit a player who's parent is an issue as well. Believe what you want but this is the absolute truth.
Ward Melville lacrosse is back, be a part of it or don't! Either way the coaches and players will not care what any of you have to say and they will continue to do what's right for the program and community, and that's WIN!



As per every coach? Who are you, you have the ear of every college coach? Go back to your glory days and leave the rest of us alone. you are a simply, stupid person, but its not your fault, your mommy didnt raise you to think for yourself...

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Has a player ever been penalized for not playing with the ward Melville summer program? Has it been held against a player that they played somewhere else?

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Kudos to the WM coaches. No one is saying that they didn't do a great job leading their players to a state championship. The previous poster even said that they try their best. You can honestly say that you talked to every college coach and they think 91 and Express are jokes? Really? If that's the case, then why do they have such a high rate of commitments to very impressive schools? Once again, the thread is about if it is a conflict. It doesn't mean that people do not think the coaches do a great job during the school season. It purely means, could there be a possible conflict and many many people believe there could be. Even some of the players/parents that play on the green and gold team believe it, but play on it just in case it is held against them. People are entitled to their humble opinion.


Right- that is the root of this issue the town/school vs club relationship is disfunctional. Sachem tells their kids no club after 6th grade... Club just makes kids better by raising the competition level - that is a fact. I wish all you policy makers can find a way to coexist, instead of placing an ultimatum on a kid. And those of you that do place ultimatums and twist the justification in your minds - should really reconsider and embrace all the opportunity that is available to our kids. Most kids play both now - and instead of parents feeling awkward by doing what's best for their child - work with us for those that want our kids playing club and give good advice. Maybe have a relationship with a club and find a win-win solution. Because this isn't going away and this is a good debate to have - since both sides have merits.

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Has a player ever been penalized for not playing with the ward Melville summer program? Has it been held against a player that they played somewhere else?


To the best of my knowledge no. But the Green, Gold and White teams only started a couple of years ago.

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