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Covid has changed the rules somewhat and made reclassing and PG years more prevalent

PG is all about elite boarding schools making u & son feel good about outperforming a kid 2-3 years younger-and u get to pay for it. Joke is on your wallet. Don’t use Covid as an excuse. Grow some and live like it is pre-Covid.

Jealous because he uses his money to improve his son, while you just sit on the hand-me-down couch your mommy gave you and drink cheap beer and whine to all the other losers.

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What other states have high numbers of holdbacks outside the mid Atlantic and northeast?

West coast? Texas? Midwest? south?

I actually have not heard of any holdbacks on LI. I'm not saying that there are not any, I've just never heard of it. On one of my kids' teams, there's one kid born in Sept and one in Late August, and those are the oldest on the teams. The age cutoff for grades (December 1) I think is different from other areas as well.

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What other states have high numbers of holdbacks outside the mid Atlantic and northeast?

West coast? Texas? Midwest? south?

I actually have not heard of any holdbacks on LI. I'm not saying that there are not any, I've just never heard of it. On one of my kids' teams, there's one kid born in Sept and one in Late August, and those are the oldest on the teams. The age cutoff for grades (December 1) I think is different from other areas as well.

And to be clear, the 2 "older" kids are in the same grade as everyone else.

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What other states have high numbers of holdbacks outside the mid Atlantic and northeast?

West coast? Texas? Midwest? south?

I actually have not heard of any holdbacks on LI. I'm not saying that there are not any, I've just never heard of it. On one of my kids' teams, there's one kid born in Sept and one in Late August, and those are the oldest on the teams. The age cutoff for grades (December 1) I think is different from other areas as well.

And to be clear, the 2 "older" kids are in the same grade as everyone else.

That’s what happens when they get held back…

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What other states have high numbers of holdbacks outside the mid Atlantic and northeast?

West coast? Texas? Midwest? south?

I actually have not heard of any holdbacks on LI. I'm not saying that there are not any, I've just never heard of it. On one of my kids' teams, there's one kid born in Sept and one in Late August, and those are the oldest on the teams. The age cutoff for grades (December 1) I think is different from other areas as well.

And to be clear, the 2 "older" kids are in the same grade as everyone else.

That’s what happens when they get held back…

Ah. Sorry I was under the impression that holdback meant a full year older (rather than just a few months) or that kids were in different grades. Is that not right?

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Covid has changed the rules somewhat and made reclassing and PG years more prevalent

PG is all about elite boarding schools making u & son feel good about outperforming a kid 2-3 years younger-and u get to pay for it. Joke is on your wallet. Don’t use Covid as an excuse. Grow some and live like it is pre-Covid.

Jealous because he uses his money to improve his son, while you just sit on the hand-me-down couch your mommy gave you and drink cheap beer and whine to all the other losers.

Funny. You are the know it all guy. Nobody can make an an observation without being this low class lost. Moving on, yes the PG years allows a player to look like a stud playing younger players. These type schools are part of the whole holdback problem.

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Covid has changed the rules somewhat and made reclassing and PG years more prevalent

PG is all about elite boarding schools making u & son feel good about outperforming a kid 2-3 years younger-and u get to pay for it. Joke is on your wallet. Don’t use Covid as an excuse. Grow some and live like it is pre-Covid.

Jealous because he uses his money to improve his son, while you just sit on the hand-me-down couch your mommy gave you and drink cheap beer and whine to all the other losers.

Funny. You are the know it all guy. Nobody can make an an observation without being this low class lost. Moving on, yes the PG years allows a player to look like a stud playing younger players. These type schools are part of the whole holdback problem.

Oh, so you are the only ‘know it all guy.’ LoL
You have not only made a childish Logical Error, which you do not have the brain capacity to comprehend, but your massacre of English grammar shows your lack of basic language and communication skills.
Moving on …there are parents who actually use their resources to improve their children; now go back to your old couch ‘Jealous dad’ and have another beer.

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As a HS club coach I prefer holdbacks to non holdbacks. The extra year is the difference between winning and losing in Club and their HS team. For you that dont like it, well that's your issue as majority of coaches want the older players.

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holdback dads telling our kids to hit the wall to compete. How about your kid stays in his grade and works harder.

#bantheholdbacks

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As a HS club coach I prefer holdbacks to non holdbacks. The extra year is the difference between winning and losing in Club and their HS team. For you that dont like it, well that's your issue as majority of coaches want the older players.

This... Is what's wrong with the sport of lacrosse. Way to go.... Coach 😂

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holdback dads telling our kids to hit the wall to compete. How about your kid stays in his grade and works harder.

#bantheholdbacks

Sorry your son cant compete on grade. Get with the program. Maybe have him try harder

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As a HS club coach I prefer holdbacks to non holdbacks. The extra year is the difference between winning and losing in Club and their HS team. For you that dont like it, well that's your issue as majority of coaches want the older players.

Thanks for your comment-your exposure is what we always knew to be true. You like holdbacks so you can beat younger players who are still developing physically & mentally. Congrats. If you are holding your son back for sports only, why?

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As a HS club coach I prefer holdbacks to non holdbacks. The extra year is the difference between winning and losing in Club and their HS team. For you that dont like it, well that's your issue as majority of coaches want the older players.

Doubt this is a coach- As a coach, I want players that can play and compete- regardless of color, national origin, and yes AGE- Age is a number that tells me NOTHING. I have seen too many holdbacks that end up being slightly larger, but a pain in the rear, immature and bad fundamentals, that end up crumbling on the sideline because they don't know how to face adversity when they face kids their own size or skill- this holdback advantage starts to even out the deeper you get into HS.

In fact, two equal players or even "close", who are say 1-1.5 years apart, I will take the younger player, as he has more room to grow (and I am not talking physically).

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holdback dads telling our kids to hit the wall to compete. How about your kid stays in his grade and works harder.

#bantheholdbacks

My son is not a holdback and competes at the elite level. My advice would be the same; hit the wall because holdbacks are the norm and are not going anywhere.

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holdback dads telling our kids to hit the wall to compete. How about your kid stays in his grade and works harder.

#bantheholdbacks

My son is not a holdback and competes at the elite level. My advice would be the same; hit the wall because holdbacks are the norm and are not going anywhere.

What age?

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holdback dads telling our kids to hit the wall to compete. How about your kid stays in his grade and works harder.

#bantheholdbacks

My son is not a holdback and competes at the elite level. My advice would be the same; hit the wall because holdbacks are the norm and are not going anywhere.

Playing up is the way to get to the top. Hard short term and worth it.

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As a HS club coach I prefer holdbacks to non holdbacks. The extra year is the difference between winning and losing in Club and their HS team. For you that dont like it, well that's your issue as majority of coaches want the older players.

Doubt this is a coach- As a coach, I want players that can play and compete- regardless of color, national origin, and yes AGE- Age is a number that tells me NOTHING. I have seen too many holdbacks that end up being slightly larger, but a pain in the rear, immature and bad fundamentals, that end up crumbling on the sideline because they don't know how to face adversity when they face kids their own size or skill- this holdback advantage starts to even out the deeper you get into HS.

In fact, two equal players or even "close", who are say 1-1.5 years apart, I will take the younger player, as he has more room to grow (and I am not talking physically).

Thanks for the words of wisdom Kooper’s coach. And congratulations on your 1 and 8 season. lol

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holdback dads telling our kids to hit the wall to compete. How about your kid stays in his grade and works harder.

#bantheholdbacks

My son is not a holdback and competes at the elite level. My advice would be the same; hit the wall because holdbacks are the norm and are not going anywhere.

What age?

Rising Freshman

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Give it up guys - my son just completed his freshman year in the MIAA at the JV level and played against Juniors who were hold backs so they were really senior age - makes them better in my opinion. If your kid can’t hang go play baseball.

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Playing jv at mt st Joe doesn’t count

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Give it up guys - my son just completed his freshman year in the MIAA at the JV level and played against Juniors who were hold backs so they were really senior age - makes them better in my opinion. If your kid can’t hang go play baseball.

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[quote=Anonymous]Give it up guys - my son just completed his freshman year in the MIAA at the JV level and played against Juniors who were hold backs so they were really senior age - makes them better in my opinion. If your kid can’t hang go play baseball.

hammerhead. No one cares what happens in HS. Its the Youth & MS years that concern everyone due to the safety issues. Puberty vs non puberty.

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highly doubt a holdback junior would be on JV

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[quote=Anonymous]Give it up guys - my son just completed his freshman year in the MIAA at the JV level and played against Juniors who were hold backs so they were really senior age - makes them better in my opinion. If your kid can’t hang go play baseball.

hammerhead. No one cares what happens in HS. Its the Youth & MS years that concern everyone due to the safety issues. Puberty vs non puberty.

Right bc all kids hit puberty at the same time. Obviously your kid plays soccer too!!!

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highly doubt a holdback junior would be on JV

Happened all the time at Loyola Blakefield?

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highly doubt a holdback junior would be on JV

Happened all the time at Loyola Blakefield?

CHC just played BL in the JV championship game. BOTH teams had plenty of juniors-some were probably senior age.

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highly doubt a holdback junior would be on JV

Happened all the time at Loyola Blakefield?

Lol love calling out the trolls on this board. I detest to disappoint you but no JRs are permitted on the JV team at Loyola. If you doN’t make varsity as a JR you’re cut. Check CH JV roster or BL.

https://www.loyolablakefield.org/team-detail?Team=212115&SeasonLabel=2021%20-%202022

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highly doubt a holdback junior would be on JV

Happened all the time at Loyola Blakefield?

Lol love calling out the trolls on this board. I detest to disappoint you but no JRs are permitted on the JV team at Loyola. If you doN’t make varsity as a JR you’re cut. Check CH JV roster or BL.

https://www.loyolablakefield.org/team-detail?Team=212115&SeasonLabel=2021%20-%202022

Previous years. Kids that were JRs they don’t put the grad year next to.

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highly doubt a holdback junior would be on JV

Happened all the time at Loyola Blakefield?

Lol love calling out the trolls on this board. I detest to disappoint you but no JRs are permitted on the JV team at Loyola. If you doN’t make varsity as a JR you’re cut. Check CH JV roster or BL.

https://www.loyolablakefield.org/team-detail?Team=212115&SeasonLabel=2021%20-%202022

Previous years. Kids that were JRs they don’t put the grad year next to.

No whining and just work.

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highly doubt a holdback junior would be on JV

Happened all the time at Loyola Blakefield?

Lol love calling out the trolls on this board. I detest to disappoint you but no JRs are permitted on the JV team at Loyola. If you doN’t make varsity as a JR you’re cut. Check CH JV roster or BL.

https://www.loyolablakefield.org/team-detail?Team=212115&SeasonLabel=2021%20-%202022

Previous years. Kids that were JRs they don’t put the grad year next to.

They are ashamed to and should be. Cut em or play on Varsity as juniors. This is where CHC & BL keep them so they don't go to other schools to play and be developed.

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Playing jv at mt st Joe doesn’t count

Only freshman & sophomores play JV @ MSJ, unlike BL & CHC. Oh, that is why they were the top two teams in 2022. If not holding back, lets just put juniors on JV-just another loophole. BK will never tell you not to come to CHC, he will just delay putting any effort into developing you and keep you from Varsity for as long as possible. Instead he will keep you content by winning a JV title as a junior. They don't even pull this trick in public school. Why you ask? So he can inflate rosters to keep these kids instead of transferring to play elsewhere. He will string them along until the senior year until they don't see the field at all in most cases.

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As a HS club coach I prefer holdbacks to non holdbacks. The extra year is the difference between winning and losing in Club and their HS team. For you that dont like it, well that's your issue as majority of coaches want the older players.

Doubt this is a coach- As a coach, I want players that can play and compete- regardless of color, national origin, and yes AGE- Age is a number that tells me NOTHING. I have seen too many holdbacks that end up being slightly larger, but a pain in the rear, immature and bad fundamentals, that end up crumbling on the sideline because they don't know how to face adversity when they face kids their own size or skill- this holdback advantage starts to even out the deeper you get into HS.

In fact, two equal players or even "close", who are say 1-1.5 years apart, I will take the younger player, as he has more room to grow (and I am not talking physically).

You are no more a coach than a politician is honest. HS is about winning, that is it. Older players are mature and better players than same age . Of course occasionally there are exceptions. Not talking about them. The majority of MIAA are older players which is where the best go to play. Yes, if we lived in a fair world everyone would be on age, it isnt. I will take holdbacks each year and get more the next. At HS level having a team of college Freshman age is giving you an edge or at least competing against the ones that have the same.

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Your wrong schools that have Fresh/Soph teams often have Juniors on the JV squads

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'You are no more a coach than a politician is honest. HS is about winning, that is it. Older players are mature and better players than same age . Of course occasionally there are exceptions. Not talking about them. The majority of MIAA are older players which is where the best go to play. Yes, if we lived in a fair world everyone would be on age, it isnt. I will take holdbacks each year and get more the next. At HS level having a team of college Freshman age is giving you an edge or at least competing against the ones that have the same.'

100% correct. It is not cheating, it is a fact of life. It is not just a MD thing either. It is all around the country, including "The Island". Nothing anyone can do about it unless a relevant governing body is created that implements programs like U.S. Soccer.

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'You are no more a coach than a politician is honest. HS is about winning, that is it. Older players are mature and better players than same age . Of course occasionally there are exceptions. Not talking about them. The majority of MIAA are older players which is where the best go to play. Yes, if we lived in a fair world everyone would be on age, it isnt. I will take holdbacks each year and get more the next. At HS level having a team of college Freshman age is giving you an edge or at least competing against the ones that have the same.'

100% correct. It is not cheating, it is a fact of life. It is not just a MD thing either. It is all around the country, including "The Island". Nothing anyone can do about it unless a relevant governing body is created that implements programs like U.S. Soccer.

Preach brother man! It would be great if you could win with just "on age" players but the reality is you probably won't. holdbacks will help you win!

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Your wrong schools that have Fresh/Soph teams often have Juniors on the JV squads

JV is where you get hungry to start on varsity. Great spot to be on.

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Playing jv at mt st Joe doesn’t count

Only freshman & sophomores play JV @ MSJ, unlike BL & CHC. Oh, that is why they were the top two teams in 2022. If not holding back, lets just put juniors on JV-just another loophole. BK will never tell you not to come to CHC, he will just delay putting any effort into developing you and keep you from Varsity for as long as possible. Instead he will keep you content by winning a JV title as a junior. They don't even pull this trick in public school. Why you ask? So he can inflate rosters to keep these kids instead of transferring to play elsewhere. He will string them along until the senior year until they don't see the field at all in most cases.

100% accurate.

It's why one player went down last year and their season fell apart.

CH doesn't develop talent. They recruit more with empty promises and keep kids from going to the competition.

But parents are too slow to realize it. The smart parents are looking at incoming FR (JV/FreshSoph team) vs outgoing SR (Varsity team) roster numbers and seeing what programs don't throw away kids.

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As a HS club coach I prefer holdbacks to non holdbacks. The extra year is the difference between winning and losing in Club and their HS team. For you that dont like it, well that's your issue as majority of coaches want the older players.

Doubt this is a coach- As a coach, I want players that can play and compete- regardless of color, national origin, and yes AGE- Age is a number that tells me NOTHING. I have seen too many holdbacks that end up being slightly larger, but a pain in the rear, immature and bad fundamentals, that end up crumbling on the sideline because they don't know how to face adversity when they face kids their own size or skill- this holdback advantage starts to even out the deeper you get into HS.

In fact, two equal players or even "close", who are say 1-1.5 years apart, I will take the younger player, as he has more room to grow (and I am not talking physically).

You are no more a coach than a politician is honest. HS is about winning, that is it. Older players are mature and better players than same age . Of course occasionally there are exceptions. Not talking about them. The majority of MIAA are older players which is where the best go to play. Yes, if we lived in a fair world everyone would be on age, it isnt. I will take holdbacks each year and get more the next. At HS level having a team of college Freshman age is giving you an edge or at least competing against the ones that have the same.

Well said, Sir!

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