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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #380126 05/18/22 08:42 PM
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I find it hard to believe that 91 wanted surge to play in the same bracket as venom. Surge is great and should’ve moved up but how bad would that look to 91’s program if they got lucky and took a win away from venom? Better yet they probably would’ve never let them fight for a championship. It looks much better on social media if they have both their teams taking home championships.

As for playing time, it is never guaranteed. I’m sure every club puts that out there in the beginning. I know players on multiple club teams and the complaints are all the same. I mean there isn’t equal playing time at the middle or high school level is there?

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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
Anonymous #380143 05/18/22 10:33 PM
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You do realize you could easily look up 91 on social media to see their win pics….. and count players.
You probably won’t, because then you’ll just be embarrassed when you realize you’ve been caught spreading lies.
Not a lie, I am up to hearing personally, 4 people pulling their boys off Rebels within the last 3 years, because they…. Never….saw….the….field during tournaments. Not ..at…all.

We all know at this point, better players will play more, but to pay all that money and invest all that time to not even play is bad news.

And then to come on here to down another program that you obviously do not have first hand knowledge of… you look thirsty. (Or just bitter)

A lot of times those players that “got no playing time” are the ones that come onto these sites and badmouth programs. Grain of salt.

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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #380146 05/18/22 11:02 PM
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General comments on the last couple of pages on here:
-If a team thinks they are over matched and revert to a zone, good coaching move. I do agree that zone at this age should be an outlier and kids need to be able to play man, but plenty of d principles are taught in zone as well.
-The team anyone plays on is their choice and can leave if they are not happy with playing time. Training and practice competition is certainly a consideration
-Venom/Surge in the same bracket-my guess is the organization was more concerned with Surge being discouraged in a blowout vs. Venom than an upset.
-There are warts in every program
-Like life, biases exist as does favoritism. Yes, coach's kid in any program get longer leash and benefit of the doubt and the nod. Gotta earn your time. Everyone on the sideline can see when a coach is protecting his son too much.
-Parents are more concerned about winning than the kids. Its the parents that initiate the team jumping whether the training is good or not. Loyalty is to winning. No one likes to lose. human nature. cream rises... at some point the parental maneuvering becomes irrelevant and its up to the kid if he has the passion and devote to it...

Just my view, not the answer or a let me tell you how it is... Legacy will be just fine in my view as well...

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Anonymous #380186 05/19/22 09:14 AM
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Nope not true - turtles promises it - that’s why all the A players on the team are unhappy and will not be there next year.

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Anonymous #380216 05/19/22 10:25 AM
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[quote=Anonymous]I find it hard to believe that 91 wanted surge to play in the same bracket as venom. Surge is great and should’ve moved up but how bad would that look to 91’s program if they got lucky and took a win away from venom? Better yet they probably would’ve never let them fight for a championship. It looks much better on social media if they have both their teams taking home championships.


They aren’t putting Surge in AA for numerous reasons but most of all because they wouldn’t win and that’s bad for their brand. 91 is very careful what tournaments their teams play in to maximize winning for recruiting purposes. The same reason Venom doesn’t play often and doesn’t go to play Maryland/DC/VA top teams.

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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #380222 05/19/22 10:32 AM
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What tourneys are Venom and LIE playing in this summer?

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Anonymous #380226 05/19/22 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I find it hard to believe that 91 wanted surge to play in the same bracket as venom. Surge is great and should’ve moved up but how bad would that look to 91’s program if they got lucky and took a win away from venom? Better yet they probably would’ve never let them fight for a championship. It looks much better on social media if they have both their teams taking home championships.


They aren’t putting Surge in AA for numerous reasons but most of all because they wouldn’t win and that’s bad for their brand. 91 is very careful what tournaments their teams play in to maximize winning for recruiting purposes. The same reason Venom doesn’t play often and doesn’t go to play Maryland/DC/VA top teams.



looking at Venoms schedule on the 91 webpage which is open for all to see, they are going to NAL and Naptown. Are the top Maryland/DC/VA teams not at those?

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Anonymous #380231 05/19/22 11:04 AM
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Nope not true - turtles promises it - that’s why all the A players on the team are unhappy and will not be there next year.

Turtles have A players?

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Anonymous #380239 05/19/22 11:43 AM
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[quote=Anonymous]I find it hard to believe that 91 wanted surge to play in the same bracket as venom. Surge is great and should’ve moved up but how bad would that look to 91’s program if they got lucky and took a win away from venom? Better yet they probably would’ve never let them fight for a championship. It looks much better on social media if they have both their teams taking home championships.


They aren’t putting Surge in AA for numerous reasons but most of all because they wouldn’t win and that’s bad for their brand. 91 is very careful what tournaments their teams play in to maximize winning for recruiting purposes. The same reason Venom doesn’t play often and doesn’t go to play Maryland/DC/VA top teams.





looking at Venoms schedule on the 91 webpage which is open for all to see, they are going to NAL and Naptown. Are the top Maryland/DC/VA teams not at those?


Glad to see the BOTC (Team91) administrator let someone post about 91. If you check Venom’s schedule they haven’t played anyone off Long Island as far as you can look back on USCL.com.
The NAL you may have 1 of the top teams like the Hawks who have been there in the past but that’s it. Naptown has 2 teams, Madlax and Hawks but there are 18 teams in that tournament so there’s a chance you won’t even play them. The point is 91 plays who they play and how often on purpose to protect their ranking and to not put themselves in situations where they may not come home with a t-shirt. They could set up a play day with those clubs and many other top teams from that area but they don’t for a reason, bad for business.

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Anonymous #380253 05/19/22 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I find it hard to believe that 91 wanted surge to play in the same bracket as venom. Surge is great and should’ve moved up but how bad would that look to 91’s program if they got lucky and took a win away from venom? Better yet they probably would’ve never let them fight for a championship. It looks much better on social media if they have both their teams taking home championships.


They aren’t putting Surge in AA for numerous reasons but most of all because they wouldn’t win and that’s bad for their brand. 91 is very careful what tournaments their teams play in to maximize winning for recruiting purposes. The same reason Venom doesn’t play often and doesn’t go to play Maryland/DC/VA top teams.

Fake news.

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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #380254 05/19/22 12:30 PM
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I'm not a 91 parent, but you can't say that Venom is hiding when they are playing in the 3 most competitive national tourneys this summer - NAL, Naptown, and NLF - none of which are on LI. Many of the best teams nationally will be at these tourneys. What tourneys would you prefer them to play in?

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Anonymous #380255 05/19/22 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it hard to believe that 91 wanted surge to play in the same bracket as venom. Surge is great and should’ve moved up but how bad would that look to 91’s program if they got lucky and took a win away from venom? Better yet they probably would’ve never let them fight for a championship. It looks much better on social media if they have both their teams taking home championships.

As for playing time, it is never guaranteed. I’m sure every club puts that out there in the beginning. I know players on multiple club teams and the complaints are all the same. I mean there isn’t equal playing time at the middle or high school level is there?

There is no such thing (and there shouldn't be) as equal playing time in club lacrosse. Play on a town team if Johnny isn't getting playing time.

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Anonymous #380257 05/19/22 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a 91 parent, but you can't say that Venom is hiding when they are playing in the 3 most competitive national tourneys this summer - NAL, Naptown, and NLF - none of which are on LI. Many of the best teams nationally will be at these tourneys. What tourneys would you prefer them to play in?


My kid does not play for 91. My kid plays venom frequently (at least for how often they even play). The team is very good and light years away from the other teams. There is no arguing that. I don’t care how many coaches they have, how many parents on sidelines, how many parents played, the team is flat out very good and at the top right now. They are just playing at a totally different level than the rest of these guys. Does that change? Maybe some kids move, maybe some kids don’t let their dad navigate their time… who knows. But for now, it’s 91 Venom and everyone else

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Anonymous #380263 05/19/22 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a 91 parent, but you can't say that Venom is hiding when they are playing in the 3 most competitive national tourneys this summer - NAL, Naptown, and NLF - none of which are on LI. Many of the best teams nationally will be at these tourneys. What tourneys would you prefer them to play in?

Those three tournaments are murders row for this age group. NAL will have the best of the northeast, Naptown will have all star teams from the west coast, texas, colorado and south. NLF will be a similar field to NAL but with a few added teams. Venom at last years NLF played 1 and 1/2 games against the Hawks and was probably the tightest and skilled matchup of the weekend. As a Maryland dad, tons of respect for those players, coaches and families. Looking forward to a great summer.

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Anonymous #380264 05/19/22 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a 91 parent, but you can't say that Venom is hiding when they are playing in the 3 most competitive national tourneys this summer - NAL, Naptown, and NLF - none of which are on LI. Many of the best teams nationally will be at these tourneys. What tourneys would you prefer them to play in?

Exactly, 7 tournaments listed - it’s a very strong line up. If they end up playing the Maryland teams or not it won’t be from a lack of trying. Plus from what I know about Naptown I believe they get national type teams down there as well.

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