US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys' U15 National Championship Tournament - July 26th-28th, 2013

How many kids flew down night before so Cudas can win...come on now, we know its true. Cudas 15 minutes...OVER! [/quote]

Turtles have lost to the cudas twice, would not play the third time and now want to talk smack. Turtles have to win to play with the big boys. Just like looking for calls on the field now they want to be given a chance to play the cudas. The turtles could not beat the dukes in crabfeast and didnt make the top 5 in LarryMiller. Time to go back into you shell and practice some more

When was the last time the Cudas played up in a tournament in the highest bracket available?

How many kids flew down night before so Cudas can win...come on now, we know its true. Cudas 15 minutes...OVER! [/quote]

Can anyone validate that there were kids on the field that were not on the posted Cuda roster? I'd be pissed if my kid lost field time because some mercenary kid at his position comes out of nowhere. Say it aint so just for bragging, marketing, advertising and tuition escalation rights from beating a weak field.

I thought this was established already. Can't really consider Turtles playing up if some of the boys were 15 already. Turtles were age appropriate and can't say otherwise unless entire team was underage. Enough with this excuse.

You have not covered it with the true facts. The entire Turtles team is age eligible for next year U-15 tournament so this is playing up. The entire team, not just a few of the boys. So yes this is playing up. So again when have the Cudas played up in a top bracket?

1 defender flew in....on the roster....came down due to an injury. The player did not plan on attending Fla., but due to an injury was asked if he could come down....FACT !! No mercenary or lost time for others....go fish some where else if looking to cause issues !!

How many kids flew down night before so Cudas can win...come on now, we know its true. Cudas 15 minutes...OVER! [/quote]

Videos don't lie. It's idiots like you that make up stories to start BS. Go order the video and see if any kids were not on the roster. One kid had a previous commitment and had to fly down saturday morning.

Viva la vida Turtles, you had a nice run

Can anyone validate that there were kids on the field that were not on the posted Cuda roster? I'd be pissed if my kid lost field time because some mercenary kid at his position comes out of nowhere. Say it aint so just for bragging, marketing, advertising and tuition escalation rights from beating a weak field. [/quote]

Now you're grasping at straws. This is not true. Unlike other LI teams that beefed up their rosters for this tournament, the Cudas did not add any players.

Whoa, looks like we have conflicting Cuda reports - no players added, one came late, one flew in because of an injury...hmmm. I smell a bunch of Cuda BS - you guys should get your party excuses in line beforehand. Lets say door number one (a Defenseman "flew in") is the least deceptive statement. Why would you do that? According to the roster you were carrying 7 D + 1 LSM? Tell me how that works but you went with only 4 attack. Who's putting this team together? Sandy Alderson? Sorry, doesnt pass the sniff test. Please amuse us and try another story.

How many Cudas will be age eligible for U15 next year? Answer: 0. How many turtles? Answer: All. I'd say that's playing up. Anytime, any place with real refs and something on the line big Cuda man.

Hold on.... you are arguing about two teams under the same umbrella organization???? Cuda's and Turtles I believe are both under the LI Express Club name, correct? Makes a great argument to join that organization at ANY level..... This is who I want on my sideline.. Whoa... And who wins if you play? Cudas are older so if they win, they are supposed to win, Turtles win and what, you hurt a team in your organization? Am I missing something?

Hey Einstein.....the 1 defender who flew in was on the roster, came in due to an injury to another player who was on the roster. No new players were added. Can not make it any simpler for you to understand. Please focus !

JD better pick up some bigger, more physical midfielders. The playing field is leveling.

Huh, 1D 1) didn't want to go or 2) had better plans or 3) wasn't asked to attend originally ie. alternate? But miraculously found the flexibility/strength/courage/desire to attend? Whateva.

Still, 7 D and 4 Attack? Now there's a real Einstein. No wonder why you couldn't close the deal.

Whatever the reason teh defender chose not to go is not my business. You like to pass judgement and try to make something out of nothing. As far as 7 def and 4 attack, that is the caches doing not the parents. And where did your sons team end up....oh yeah... not in the final. Go away !!

Any time any place? Really? Next #chosen ones will re appear or even "shock the world". Have to go through the whole co champ thing again? Stop already, you look foolish, but it is funny so keep it coming. By the way I heard there are a few 2018 teams gunning for the turtles so watch out behind you.

I still don't understand why you keep saying that none of the Turtles are 15. The fact is some ARE, FACT!. Most are not. Even if one is, they can't play in this tournament next year. Turtles are a very good team, however they will have move up to u16 or u17 next year if they want to stay together. Why is this such a problem now?, they claim to have played "up" the whole time!

This is a comical thread that is embarrassing your organization. But keep it going, I am highly amused. I am sure MC is not. From what I can gather from a quick read is nothing but sore losers on both ends. ...didn't 3D lax win it all?

Absolutely right. 3D deserves the national attention. The thing between the Cudas and Turtles is more like a family feud over who's pound for pound the best program team below 2015, but not above U15 but not below U14 with birthdays between this and that. It is entertaining though as long as it doesn't get personal, which it never is.

Thats ok. They'll use the Cuda recipe and fly in some kids.

Hasn't happened.

Not as miserable as Cuda land when Turtles finish the job that the Cuda's couldn't.

Isn't it common knowledge that Barracudas eat Turtles? C'mon no contest here! Choose your team names better ur represntin!

A dose of humility would serve you well. I hope your not raising your kids to be chest pounders. Nobody likes a self-promoter. Teach your children well. We wish your Turtles good luck next year. Win or lose it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Keep a healthy perspective.

Ok dad. If it doesn't matter win or lose then why were the Cuda's and their coach so disappointed when they lost? Because it does matter to these boys and to the program for the - as you say - chest pounding with ads in IL etc. Keep trying the mightier than thou attitude and try to snow somebody else.

Apparently, it matter more to you daddy's than the 15 year olds you are discussing. Pathetic!

The Turtles are not 15!

And since their sugar daddy also sponsors the U15 tournament there will be no questioning of birth dates etc. Just trust what the parents say - no 15 year olds. Curious if any eye witnesses at the tournament noticed any teams that seemed to ha more than than a few players that seemed oddly large and physically mature for 14 year olds?

True, why all the hate for the Cudas? Just keepin it real. The misery in turtle land is mounting as you have to wait a whole year to find out if you can only win this thing against your own year. Imagine if you don't? Wow this is gonna be fun

I guess we dont have to wait a year to see if the the Cudas can win this thing against their own age, THEY CANT! As far as all the hate towards the Cudas you must be kidding.

Did you figure this out all on your own that Cudas don't qualify for u15 next year? By the way did you know that the titanic sunk? Turtles have to wait a whole year and have to wonder if they can win it in their own age group. Tick tick tick tick.....

Maybe you should stay out of the weeds with all those ticks you are finding...

Truth stings don't it. That's ok it atleast there is an entire year to let this fester and find out. Don't forget to keep an eye out behind you.

Just call this tournament the "Florida Rising Sophomore Tournament" and then there is no controversy. It's not a national championship, nor is it a U15 tournament.

I prefer the term Jamboree or Festival rather than Tournament. Think that would fly?

can't argue with stupid - US lacrosse sets the cut off for U15, everybody in the tournament is U15, thus it is a U15 tournament. The tournament has teams from all over the country, every U15 in the country can apply or go to qualifiers so it is open to everyone. they play round robin and the seed the teams and play an elimination until they have a championship....sounds like a U15 national Championship to me

Well said. The reason you don't see some of the better 2016 teams at the U-15 Championship is because this tournment unlike others strctly enforce the U-15 birth dates. The 2016 teams not represented carry older kids and therefore are ineligible. So would have to agree this is the U-15 Championship.

Wrong. Nearly every U15 tournament in the country specifically prohibits any kid who has played HS ball. So, this year, nearly every U15 tournament is filled with age-eligible kids in the Class of 2017 (or younger).

But to make a bigger buck, USL lifts this rule for its own tournament. So to do well, you pretty much have to have, this year, a 2016 team. Which is why the best teams avoid this tournament. 2016 kids want to play in front of college recruiters, not beat up on lesser teams from outlying areas.

Once again, another poster mixes concepts.

You cannot discuss U15 and any grade-based structure in the same sentence - they are wholly different. One cannot say "U15 except for High School players" since the concept is inconsistent and certainly not eligible to be policed.

Again, U15 has nothing to do with High School grades, varsity, or graduating class. Why do U-age opponents have such a difficult time grasping this? U15 is exclusively defined to mean players born on or after September 1st, 1997 (as defined for the 2013 tournament). That's it. That's the definition of U15. Period.

BOTC does not understand the concept of the "best teams" not attending this tournament. If the concern is that a given team cannot make the age restrictions imposed by U15 rules, that would mean that the "best teams" from the next younger age group would be attending.