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Colleges, Coaches, Recruitment : 2013-2014 #36673
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Back of THE CAGE is pleased to present the opening of our fourth season of the College Forum's discussion thread covering the college recruitment process. We will cover all aspects of recruitment including NCAA Eligibility, the NCAA College Bound Student-Athlete Guidelines for 2013-2014, scholarship questions, college selection criteria, and much more.

All questions are welcomed in this forum from the very basic to the complex. BOTC now opens the 2013-2014 discussion.

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Re: Colleges, Coaches, Recruitment : 2013-2014 [Re: CageSage] #36674
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The following question and answer discussion has been taken from the 2013-2014 Soccer College Forum and replayed here. The discussion introduces the link for the College Bound Student-Athlete Handbook, a must have resource for all student-athletes considering a collegiate athletic career.

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What's the definition of an "official visit" as opposed to visiting a coach when you are on a regular old campus tour?
In order to have access to the core of College Bound Student-Athlete information for 2013-2014, BOTC strongly urges you to become familiar with the following resource :

NCAA Eligibility Center Guide for the College Bound Student-Athlete, 2013-2014

Turning to your question, the official NCAA-sanctioned definition for an official visit is found on Page 21 :

Official visit

Any visit to a college campus by you and your parents paid for by the college. The college may pay all or some of the following expenses:

� Your transportation to and from the college;
� Room and meals (three per day) while you are visiting the college; and
� Reasonable entertainment expenses, including three complimentary admissions to a home athletics contest.

Before a college may invite you on an official visit, you will have to provide the college with a copy of your high school transcript (Division I only) and ACT, SAT or PLAN score and register with the NCAA Eligibility Center.

For completeness, you should also be familiar with the following two terms :

Unofficial visit

Any visit by you and your parents to a college campus paid for by you or your parents. The only expense you may receive from the college is three complimentary admissions to a home athletics contest. You may make as many unofficial visits as you like and may take those visits at any time. The only time you cannot talk with a coach during an unofficial visit is during a dead period.

Verbal commitment

This phrase is used to describe a collegebound student-athlete's commitment to a school before he or she signs (or is able to sign) a National Letter of Intent. A collegebound student-athlete can announce a verbal commitment at any time. While verbal commitments have become very popular for both college-bound student-athletes and coaches, this "commitment" is NOT binding on either the college-bound student-athlete or the college or university. Only the signing of the National Letter of Intent accompanied by a financial aid agreement is binding on both parties.

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What would you say the percentage of times a verbal commit is broken? Is it more likely broken by a student or the school and what would some reasons for a school backing out be?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What would you say the percentage of times a verbal commit is broken? Is it more likely broken by a student or the school and what would some reasons for a school backing out be?
College coaches will almost NEVER break a verbal commitment and there are several reasons for this. First, the college coach is setting his/her team for an upcoming season(s) and will typically have a particular player slotted for a role. Second, the college coach does not want a reputation of breaking his/her word as that will affect future recruiting efforts.

When a verbal agreement is broken, it is significantly more likely that the student-athlete will make the change in favor of another collegiate setting. Remember that a student-athlete does not need to go through the recruiting cycle for a second time and as a result does not have to worry (as much) about burned bridges with a particular coach. Also note that with earlier commitments taking place, a junior/senior year High School student is more likely to change his/her mind regarding a potential major which might also foster a change in college selection.

The college coach would back out of a verbal agreement under a few select scenarios:
  • The student-athlete's academic performance signficantly deteriorates.
  • Questionable moral fiber emerges. (Examples would include excessive drinking, drug use, legal problems.)
  • The student-athlete stops playing the sport during their senior year for unexplained reasons preventing further analysis of the playing ability.
Regarding the personal issues, this is one reason why we remind students to be very aware of their Facebook profiles. Pictures showing under-age drinking or other questionable practices can lead to the withdrawal of an offer.

As an overall percentage, the number is well below 5% (conservative limit) and is likely much further below the 1% range.

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Thank you for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense.

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What is the driving force behind getting verbal commitments from kids who are still 3 years away from playing in college? A lot can happen in 3 years with committed and uncommitted players. I recently went to a few recruiting forums and all the college coaches (D1) stood there and preached to not overplay, enjoy other sports, relax....yet they are the driving force behind all the craziness! Talk about mixed messages coming right from the top.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the driving force behind getting verbal commitments from kids who are still 3 years away from playing in college? A lot can happen in 3 years with committed and uncommitted players. I recently went to a few recruiting forums and all the college coaches (D1) stood there and preached to not overplay, enjoy other sports, relax....yet they are the driving force behind all the craziness! Talk about mixed messages coming right from the top.
BOTC came across a terrific article from November 2008 that discusses the fear factor associated with verbal commitments.

Vested in Verbals : Lacrosse Magazine, November 2008

The article discusses that the explosive growth of youth lacrosse at the club and high school levels has not been met with similar growth at the NCAA Division I level. As a result, parents and student-athletes are pushing harder and earlier to be sure to have a spot locked up. The article specifically discusses the Empire State Games from 2008 where rising juniors are being taken.

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What is the driving force behind getting verbal commitments from kids who are still 3 years away from playing in college? A lot can happen in 3 years with committed and uncommitted players. I recently went to a few recruiting forums and all the college coaches (D1) stood there and preached to not overplay, enjoy other sports, relax....yet they are the driving force behind all the craziness! Talk about mixed messages coming right from the top.
BOTC came across a terrific article from November 2008 that discusses the fear factor associated with verbal commitments.

Vested in Verbals : Lacrosse Magazine, November 2008

The article discusses that the explosive growth of youth lacrosse at the club and high school levels has not been met with similar growth at the NCAA Division I level. As a result, parents and student-athletes are pushing harder and earlier to be sure to have a spot locked up. The article specifically discusses the Empire State Games from 2008 where rising juniors are being taken.


Good article to read, but I still recruiting has changed so much in the five years since it has been published. They talk about juniors and seniors committing but we are now seeing so many rising sophomores committing. Where is the trend going...will we see rising freshman on the list of verbal commits next? I guess my question is really to the college coaches in that what is the rush to commit a kid who still has 3 years of high school left? What happens to the kids who are the late developers? I personally feel, as well as many I have talked to, that this process is getting out of control.

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I think that college coaches committing sophomores is a huge mistake on there part. Like the previous post stated, what about late bloomers. N.D. took 5 players from a single squad that seemed almost unbeatable 2 years ago, but today falls somewhere in the top 5. Not nearly as strong or dominate not because there somehow lesser players, but because in the last year and a half, so many players have matured and caught up. College coaches, I feel, get fooled by players that get a lot of hype early because they reach varsity status early, or have personal connections to coaches in both the high school and college ranks. We must also remember that many highly touted players in high school also struggle for many reasons and disappear from the collegiate scene. This is a risk a coach is taking, I think, a little to lightly.

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It is crazy when these D-1 schools go after freshman in high school. I'm sure they all hold spots for late bloomers or that kid that was overlooked. I speak from experience... My son verbaled to a D-1 program this summer. He is a rising junior. I'll admit it is a relief and we can breathe a little easier knowing he has found a good fit in a great college. He will be getting some athletic and some academic money. We visited 4 or 5 schools and were very comfortable with his choice. All I can say is you will know when your son or daughter is in the right spot and when it is the right time to jump on something. Although I will say all the pressure to hurry up and commit to a school super early is definitely a problem felt by these kids. They hear and read about other players verbals and they wonder whats taking so long for them.

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Penn State getting a verbal commitment from 2017 kid? Come on, this is getting out of control. Coaches are sending mixed messages when they tell parents to relax and enjoy their child high school lacrosse, yet they are willing to look at a kid who is not even in high school. Crazy!!!!!

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The following discussion/response is replayed from another thread on the Tryouts Forum.

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How bout I comment on all "white" teams. See if you can get your child on another organizations A team. After, 5th grade you have a better chance of winning the Power Ball than being brought up to the Orange team. In tryouts they keep all the A kids together every chance they get. I'm not saying they never sent a kid down. But to be brought up? Rare. The White teams are always an afterthought, and if you are going to stay with 91 long term, ask yourself this, what college coach is going to care to watch your child on the White team? It's often said that the White teams are just moneymakers. And if the White team is the third team in an age group, run away, fast.
Believe me when I say I don't mean to come across as arrogant because up until a few years ago I had thought the same way you are thinking. As a parent and coach of two players on the recruiting scene or age as well as a younger player you are incorrect when you say "what college is going to come and watch a white team or any B team at any organization." It is rare that a recruiter comes to watch an Orange team or Red, Blue etc team. While they will come and watch some county finals at the Varsity level, coaches come to watch a "player" they are interested in and not a team of players. They will watch a team at a recruiting event over the summer. Ok off the soapbox

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So Cage, if your son, or daughter, is B/B+ type player, on a program's 2nd team (B, White, Gold, Purple, etc), would you say the following is the right approach?

1. Come up with a list of schools they'd like to attend, send their schedules, some bio info, and maybe a video clip, to those coaches, and hope they'll show up to check him/her out?

2. Find out if those schools have their own on-campus camps, or clinics, and try to get to a few of those.

3. Try hard to get into a showcase, or invite only, event, if there's any way to pull that off.

4. Ask your travel program director, or coach, for help, based on the type of player your child is, and see what they suggest.

Most people talk about these showcases, and invite only type events, and high-end tournaments, which I assume are geared towards the A/star type players, and not your everyday b/b+ type player, who's probably headed for DII or DIII.

This is the situation I'm in, with my oldest in 9th grade now, so I'm trying to figure out the best plan of attack.

I think there are many people in my boat, although they may not realize it, or admit it, yet! Any advice, or suggestions, would be greatly appreciated.
This is precisely the purpose of our College, Coaches, and Recruitment threads on the College Forum here on BOTC. Note that the corresponding College Forum on BOTN (our sister soccer site) has a College Forum replete with more than six years of research on exactly these points.

Your student-athlete should start by identifying with your family any specific limits on school selection. These might include financial concerns, distance concerns (travel distance, car, flights, trains), academic concerns (major selection), and overall campus environment.

Two lists should be formed; a Top Ten Athletics list which looks at lacrosse institutions from Division I, II, and III, and a Top Ten Academics list which only considers academic programs in the absence of lacrosse. The Acedemic list should include three stretch schools, four match schools, and three safety schools. At least one option in both lists should be a local institution which would not require any dorming.

The overlap of these two approaches, usually about four to six schools to start, can form the core listing for your initial starting point.

The lists will morph over time, so please do not think that a freshman year collection of schools will end this discussion.

Write to these coaches and invite them to your tournaments. Be sure that your club coach is aware of the coaches that have accepted invitations to be assured of game time when your target coaches are at the field.

College camps should be used after a particular college has expressed interest in your player via a showcase, game visit, or other viewing. Do not exclusively use a college camp for recruiting purposes if this is the first time the coach will have seen the student-athlete.

These points form the thumbnail sketch. Be sure to avail yourself of the posts and information on our College Forums.

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Financing a College Education - Some Hard Numbers

If you read forums such as College Confidential (dedicated to admissions, programs, academics, and environments at college campuses) and follow schools in the Top 50, you will find that the biggest reason for admissions disappointment comes during the awarding of financial aid. Many students and their families will be forced to drop their dream schools when handed a statement of what the bills will be.

Here is the simple fact : Most private institutions among the Top 50 Universities and Top 20 Liberal Arts Colleges are going to be $40,000 per year tuition, $10,000 per year in room and board, and $3,000 in books, spending money, and travel costs.

Too many families are ignoring what it means to actually pay $53,000 per year from your NET INCOME towards a college education. The expectation is that a miracle will happen with funding - either through academics, athletics, or financial aid.

The truth is that you must plan to save $220,000 for a full private school price tag. This means setting aside $10,000 per year per child every year from the time the child is born through college graduation in order to have that cash available.

Suppose your child is now about ten years of age and you have not started a college savings plan? That same private college price tag requires you to now start saving $20,000 of your NET INCOME per year per child at ten years of age.

If scholarship money comes through for you, you will have a built-in savings program. However, a word of caution comes with that sports scholarship. If your student-athlete receives a 0.25 scholarship - which is $10,000 per year - you will still need to come up with $40,000 per year to complete the story.

Even if you knew your ten-year old son or daughter would receive a 25% discount eight years later, you would still need to save $15,000 per year if you have not started when they were younger.

Hopefully, you get the point. There is no magic formula that will make up the difference in tuition payments aside from your own family budget. Start saving early and start saving now.

Finally, a word on financial aid : If your family has a gross income of $150,000, has cash assets of $100,000, and owns your own home, you can rest assured that you will be outside of most financial aid programs. (These parameters have been tested with many financial aid calculators.)

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