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Believe what you want bro. The score board said it was a tie and from what I could see it was a tie. Bottom line is whether it was a tie or a 1 goal win by Igloo it was a close game. Both games were close. Don't use the fact that it was indoors or use the building as a excuse why they were both close games. That team has been playing together for 3 months and they have been beating up on a lot of teams and playing close with a lot of very good teams that have been together for a few years. I also can't wait for the spring and summer to get here so the kids can play outside. Igloo, 91 Orange, Express Orange, Team LI and some others are all very good. I will bet my house that win or lose Wild Catz will give them all problems no matter were or when the games are played.


I dont know wild catz but if they can play within a few goals of igloo or 91 orange then they are probably pretty good. Express orange is not in the same league as igloo, 91 or team Li. Express is more comparable to the better town teams and are a B- travel team

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Results from the February 23rd action at the Sports Hub.

Express 2021 Wolverines over Northport, 18-3
Long Island Outlaws edges Huntington Village, 9-8
Manhasset-32 Blue defeats Huntington Village, 14-2
Long Island Outlaws and Harborfields Tie, 11-11

Standings

GP W L T GF GA PTS GD
Harborfields 5 4 0 1 64 24 13 40
2021 Express Wolverines 5 4 0 1 72 36 13 36
Seahawks 5 3 0 2 53 31 11 22
Syosset Spartans Red - 4th Gra 5 3 2 0 62 47 9 15
NO NAME 5 3 2 0 51 43 9 8
Manhasset 32 - ORANGE 5 2 2 1 55 45 7 10
Long Island Tomahawks 5 2 2 1 54 47 7 7
Manhasset 32-BLUE 5 1 3 1 32 46 4 -14
Northport 5 1 3 1 43 62 4 -19
Rough Riders 5 1 3 1 25 61 4 -36
Long Island Outlaws 7 1 5 1 46 96 4 -50
Huntington Village 5 0 5 0 24 61 0 -37

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One week of indoor action remains in this age group at the Sports Hub with the season closing on Saturday, March 2nd. Harborfields and the Seahwaks will faceoff at 3:00pm defending their undefeated indoor seasons. Meanwhile, the undefeated Express 2021 will face the Manhasset-32 Blue at 2:00pm.

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And... Who won the game. Hub still shows pending.

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anyone know if any of the Suffolk based travel teams are still looking for 2021 players ?

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CSH beat Harborfields 15-5

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Back of THE CAGE is investigating a detailed report supplied to us by a reader that strongly implies that a 2021 Boys Long Island team is knowingly playing in the wrong age group (playing down) this weekend.

BOTC has contacted the tournament in question without naming the team for the details as to how they (the tournament staff) have set their age brackets for Class of 2021 players. Once we have the age brackets, we will be able to comment further and hopefully clarify the situation.

Again, we want to underscore that BOTC is investigating the details prior to any further disclosure. However, we understand that the many parents are "in-the-know" on this situation. BOTC strongly urges those who might knowingly be on the wrong side of this debate to clarify the position if possible.

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Back of THE CAGE is investigating a detailed report supplied to us by a reader that strongly implies that a 2021 Boys Long Island team is knowingly playing in the wrong age group (playing down) this weekend.

BOTC has contacted the tournament in question without naming the team for the details as to how they (the tournament staff) have set their age brackets for Class of 2021 players. Once we have the age brackets, we will be able to comment further and hopefully clarify the situation.

Again, we want to underscore that BOTC is investigating the details prior to any further disclosure. However, we understand that the many parents are "in-the-know" on this situation. BOTC strongly urges those who might knowingly be on the wrong side of this debate to clarify the position if possible.


It appears the schedule has been revised and the problem fixed. Thank you Cage. And thank you to the tournament organizers, coaches, parents for doing the right thing. This way we can write it off as a simple error and not anything intentional on anyone's part and we can move on and enjoy.

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Back of THE CAGE is investigating a detailed report supplied to us by a reader that strongly implies that a 2021 Boys Long Island team is knowingly playing in the wrong age group (playing down) this weekend.

BOTC has contacted the tournament in question without naming the team for the details as to how they (the tournament staff) have set their age brackets for Class of 2021 players. Once we have the age brackets, we will be able to comment further and hopefully clarify the situation.

Again, we want to underscore that BOTC is investigating the details prior to any further disclosure. However, we understand that the many parents are "in-the-know" on this situation. BOTC strongly urges those who might knowingly be on the wrong side of this debate to clarify the position if possible.


It appears the schedule has been revised and the problem fixed. Thank you Cage. And thank you to the tournament organizers, coaches, parents for doing the right thing. This way we can write it off as a simple error and not anything intentional on anyone's part and we can move on and enjoy.


Based on our review of the Chocolatetown Shootout schedules this evening, action was taken to realign the U/9 team in question into the proper age group. Based on additional information sent to us this evening, we believe that this mistake in bracketing was due in part to somewhat obscure language in the age group definitions. None the less, teams should anticipate a fine weekend of lacrosse.

While this is not an event covered by BOTC, we are pleased that we were able to be in a position of advocacy for our Long Island teams.

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I just want to point out a couple things on this topic.

1. The parents of the team in question never received a schedule to show age bracket or teams we were playing. (Until the other team we were scheduled to play brought it to our attention) Until then, we were not aware that SOME of the boys on the team were playing "down" based on age.

2. Once it was brought to the attention of the parents "in the know" we made sure the league was aware and requested we play the U11 division.

3. The team in question has ZERO interest in playing "down" to play younger teams in hopes to beat them by 20 goals for a big chocolate bar at the end. We would rather play a competitive game, win or lose by a couple goals then win by 20.


while it is easy to make simple errors when it comes to tournaments where ages are not always clear and you have a team blended of both 3rd and 4th graders, the issues should be addressed as adults, directed to the director of the league and not the parents.

win or lose this weekend, I hope everyone has a great time.

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Thanks peanut gallery

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Grow up, after all it's only lacrosse. Not like it's baseball.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just want to point out a couple things on this topic.

1. The parents of the team in question never received a schedule to show age bracket or teams we were playing. (Until the other team we were scheduled to play brought it to our attention) Until then, we were not aware that SOME of the boys on the team were playing "down" based on age.

2. Once it was brought to the attention of the parents "in the know" we made sure the league was aware and requested we play the U11 division.

3. The team in question has ZERO interest in playing "down" to play younger teams in hopes to beat them by 20 goals for a big chocolate bar at the end. We would rather play a competitive game, win or lose by a couple goals then win by 20.


while it is easy to make simple errors when it comes to tournaments where ages are not always clear and you have a team blended of both 3rd and 4th graders, the issues should be addressed as adults, directed to the director of the league and not the parents.

win or lose this weekend, I hope everyone has a great time.


SOME of the boys? The date to play u-9 is Born on or after September 1,2003

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Grow up, after all it's only lacrosse. Not like it's baseball.
Visit our baseball site, www.backoftheplate.com, and offer that view.

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That is what you took away from that post? I think the main point was that we did not intentionally look to play down and play against your son and take away any chance of you getting that chocolate bar. Your friends did the right thing by you and the tournament when it became known to us. Now it's time to move on, there is another sport is around the corner.

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This tournanment is 2nd rate anyway. A total mess

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damage control

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This tournanment is 2nd rate anyway. A total mess
Note that it was this type of feedback from the 2012 edition of the Chocolatetown Shootout that convinced folks to create the Hershey Shootout that debuted last weekend to bring competition to the tournament quality being offered in Pennsylvania.

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This club still has other teams in the wrong age brackets. They are losing my son next year.

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This club still has other teams in the wrong age brackets. They are losing my son next year.
This will be for the tournament to review as part of their check-in procedures.

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Speaking of 2021 teams , as teh season winds to a close was wondering what people thought of the clubs overall. Heres my take , really just fishing for information .


Igloo and 91 Orange Seem to be the top of the food chain

Express Not as good as the two above , more of an A- team

Team Long Island Heard a few good things but really havent any first hand knowledge to know where they belong. They also have a B team, anyone know about these guys

Riptide B plus

Jesters, Outlaws, 91 White , Legacy , HDD SOlid Bs

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oh yeah, True Blue and Wildcatz Bplus

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oh yeah, True Blue and Wildcatz Bplus


Tomahawks beat True Blue 8-2 in McGrath Tournemnet for the championship, Outlaws 10-5, 91 White in a great 2-1 game, Legacy 8-1 (who went to LaxFest finals against Jesters; jesters squeaked by them to beat LEgacy) Not an A team but very good B at this point

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What about top town teams?

Manhasset
Franklin Square
Bay Shore
Smithtown
Shoreham Wading River
Any others on top?

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Tomahawks beat Trueblue,91 White,Outlaws,Legacy and a bunch of others. Based on what grades other teams got I would say the Tomahawks are a B+.

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This club still has other teams in the wrong age brackets. They are losing my son next year.


What club are we all referring to?

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Tomahawks, another team I forgot, no disrespect intended. I did not mention the town teams becasue I am trying to get a feel for the teams who will be having upcoming tryouts .

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Tomahawks beat Trueblue,91 White,Outlaws,Legacy and a bunch of others. Based on what grades other teams got I would say the Tomahawks are a B+.

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Wildkatz clearly think of themselves as a B team since they entered the B division at Lax Clash. They must really want those championship T's.

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This club still has other teams in the wrong age brackets. They are losing my son next year.


What club are we all referring to?
As BOTC initially stated, we are not going to get into "naming the club" since we honestly believe based on the feedback received that the club proactively contacted parents and handled the situation. Now, the fact that some parents raised the flag to us prior to the club points to a potential concern, but the truth is that the situation appears to have been sorted. Remember that age-policing is NOT a business in which BOTC wants to find itself!

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Wildkatz clearly think of themselves as a B team since they entered the B division at Lax Clash. They must really want those championship T's.
Part of the alignment might have been the team counts for the A/B divisions. We would need to see the application before making such an assertion.

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Tomahawks are overlooked because they do not say a lot here on BOTC. They have some great players and a very tough defense. I heard they are looking to move to the next level and they hope this years tryout will take them there. They have great coaches and anyone who plays for them will learn a lot. Just to be open I do know one of the coaches very well.

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2022 Team 91 Crush plays up in the 2021 bracket and beats them all by bunches wink

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2022 Team 91 Crush plays up in the 2021 bracket and beats them all by bunches wink


2022 Crush is a great team but then no 2021 kids can play for or try out for 2022 Crush wink

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Think you mean 2022 Smash. Crush is a 2020 team.

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2022 Team 91 Crush plays up in the 2021 bracket and beats them all by bunches wink

You mean 2022 smash which is a very good 2022 team but lets not be siily they can't come close to the top 5 2021 teams.

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What about Turf Island "s better team. Who did they beat and who beat them? Are they an "A" team?

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Unorganized club, with good players. Not elite tho

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Wild Katz is missing a bunch of kids this weekend. So instead of dropping out they dropped down to the B division.

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Thanks. Do you know the scores of any of the games this year? I think they played the best teams because they entered sometimes as an "A" team.

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Not elite...sure they are unorganized but they beat every team you mentioned

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