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Re: Boys 2025-5th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #361357 01/01/22 12:42 PM
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Their were clubs on long island that were trying something different other then making as much money as possible! But clubs like express and 91 started the free play garbage trying to make their A teams the best and having a bunch of B and C teams to pay for them! That’s when everything thing started going bad, thanks coach C and Express!

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Re: Boys 2025-5th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
Anonymous #361369 01/01/22 04:16 PM
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Reforming a folded club more news to follow!

Jesters? In my opinion we need less clubs and ones that actually have competitive B teams vs secondary club A teams. Legacy/Rush in this grade is a great example of what we need more of. Look at how Legacy put themselves together originally… I believe they absorbed the Dune Dawgs and Tide, and now taking another step in that direction, in this grade anyway. Reforming a folded club won’t work unless it’s a combination of 3 or 4 clubs, again in my opinion. I am also of the option that any new should be different and avoid the typical headliners, less expensive vs big clubs, one team only, limited roster, no dad coaches, nobody really cares about that. The expectation is practice year round with dedicated, reputable and fully engaged coaches.

What we need is some ex lax Wall Street billionaire who could care less about whether the club makes any money. All of these clubs are businesses first which leads to all the problems (daddy coaches, big rosters, pay for play clinics, rising tuitions, diluted B and C teams, conflicted tournament selection)

Well they should make money. But there is way to offer a product and produce a great product. The problem is too many value winning above all else.

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Re: Boys 2025-5th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #361579 01/04/22 10:04 AM
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So… now that National teams are becoming the bigger thing. Will this become the norm? Most top Tri-State (CT, NY, NJ, LI) teams are somewhat regional now and some have players from way further. Not for or against it, just an observation.

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So… now that National teams are becoming the bigger thing. Will this become the norm? Most top Tri-State (CT, NY, NJ, LI) teams are somewhat regional now and some have players from way further. Not for or against it, just an observation.


I think you will see more of it because---

1: the clubs can extract more money from you.
2: the bragging rights are great... my kid plays on the AA team, well, that's good but my kid plays on the national team!!!
3: parents will pay for the bragging rights.

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So… now that National teams are becoming the bigger thing. Will this become the norm? Most top Tri-State (CT, NY, NJ, LI) teams are somewhat regional now and some have players from way further. Not for or against it, just an observation.


I think you will see more of it because---

1: the clubs can extract more money from you.
2: the bragging rights are great... my kid plays on the AA team, well, that's good but my kid plays on the national team!!!
3: parents will pay for the bragging rights.


I will say the social media presence is at all highs for some of these clubs. And guess what… the parents and kids love it!! The Rebels are non stop with it and I think it’s great.

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Re: Boys 2025-5th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
Anonymous #361644 01/04/22 04:48 PM
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Totally agree about the dad coaches, it's sickening. If you're on a team with a daddy coach, do yourself a favor and get out of there ASAP. We all know why they're doing it. If they were actually a good coach, they would know better than to be a coach on a team their kid plays on.

It does depend. Lotsa dad coaches are good coaches and balance things. And some don’t.
Sounds like something a daddy coach would say lol
2025 kids are in high school now, there's no room for daddy coaches at this age! Get a life!

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Re: Boys 2025-5th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #361648 01/04/22 05:06 PM
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Wake up call: If your kid is playing on a kiddie Lax team for parental "Bragging Rights" then you have failed yourself and even worse, you have failed your kids. That's pathetic man!

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TheBackOfTheCage #361656 01/04/22 07:13 PM
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Dad coaches are on early level of club lax from A to B. And yes some do favor players and some do not. Every situation is different. I am sure people can list examples and of the best and worst and everything in between.

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TheBackOfTheCage #361711 01/05/22 12:10 PM
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There's really no place for dad coaches beyond maybe 6th grade and even that is a stretch in my opinion. They are either looking for a free tuition or want to control their kids playing time. Even if they are a good coach, it does not outweigh the perception of the parents and the doubt that it causes as to their motivation for doing it. Basically, have enough sense to walk away.

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TheBackOfTheCage #361714 01/05/22 12:33 PM
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Crush DEFINITELY had a least two Reclassed/holdback players so slow your roll. That being said, they still would've been Crush without that defenseman and middie...

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There's really no place for dad coaches beyond maybe 6th grade and even that is a stretch in my opinion. They are either looking for a free tuition or want to control their kids playing time. Even if they are a good coach, it does not outweigh the perception of the parents and the doubt that it causes as to their motivation for doing it. Basically, have enough sense to walk away.

Sounds like a good argument. Your kid stars for what team?

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There's really no place for dad coaches beyond maybe 6th grade and even that is a stretch in my opinion. They are either looking for a free tuition or want to control their kids playing time. Even if they are a good coach, it does not outweigh the perception of the parents and the doubt that it causes as to their motivation for doing it. Basically, have enough sense to walk away.

100%. Find a club daddy coach whose kid doesn't start on the team and stay on the field 75% of the game. Sometimes they are good players, but not always that good. You can't name one.

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Reforming a folded club more news to follow!

Jesters? In my opinion we need less clubs and ones that actually have competitive B teams vs secondary club A teams. Legacy/Rush in this grade is a great example of what we need more of. Look at how Legacy put themselves together originally… I believe they absorbed the Dune Dawgs and Tide, and now taking another step in that direction, in this grade anyway. Reforming a folded club won’t work unless it’s a combination of 3 or 4 clubs, again in my opinion. I am also of the option that any new should be different and avoid the typical headliners, less expensive vs big clubs, one team only, limited roster, no dad coaches, nobody really cares about that. The expectation is practice year round with dedicated, reputable and fully engaged coaches.

What we need is some ex lax Wall Street billionaire who could care less about whether the club makes any money. All of these clubs are businesses first which leads to all the problems (daddy coaches, big rosters, pay for play clinics, rising tuitions, diluted B and C teams, conflicted tournament selection)

Well they should make money. But there is way to offer a product and produce a great product. The problem is too many value winning above all else.

If you want less clubs, stop paying for them. If you think prices are too high, stop paying them. You think rosters are too large, find a smaller one. Here’s the issue, their is a lot of expendable income in the LI lax community. Many people will pay just so that their kid plays a sport he likes and gets better at it. The big clubs charge a lot because there is a line of suckers at the door with open checkbooks. People think that if their kid plays for 91 or Express they are going to be recruited to a top D1 program. It’s simply not true. Look no further than the current recruitment class. The Bandit have 10 absolute studs on their team. They are all committed to great programs. However, they also have 10-12 slightly above average kids that are not getting a single call because they don’t play. Furthermore, big clubs have a definite pecking order when it comes to recruiting. 91 is already pushing the Wolfpack kids over the 2nd line Bandits. The bottom line is that your kid needs to play. Find the best team that gets him on the field. And do it now, because next year is too late.

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Anonymous #361749 01/05/22 04:17 PM
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Not every kid plays club lacrosse to get recruited or play college ball. My kid doesn't start but plays enough for him to still enjoy. It's a shame that after years with the same team the roster will turn over just so his coach can brag that x amount of kids are committed (most to schools they would need lacrosse anyways). He'll still most likely play 4 years of HS at a pretty high level. After that he'll attend one of the top universities in the country because of his grades and test scores, NOT lacrosse. Good luck your winter showcases and the recruiting grind, spend time with your family while they're still around. Ask yourself who's really pushing who to play in college. 99% on this forum think their kid is playing in college.

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Anonymous #361771 01/05/22 06:31 PM
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Reforming a folded club more news to follow!

Jesters? In my opinion we need less clubs and ones that actually have competitive B teams vs secondary club A teams. Legacy/Rush in this grade is a great example of what we need more of. Look at how Legacy put themselves together originally… I believe they absorbed the Dune Dawgs and Tide, and now taking another step in that direction, in this grade anyway. Reforming a folded club won’t work unless it’s a combination of 3 or 4 clubs, again in my opinion. I am also of the option that any new should be different and avoid the typical headliners, less expensive vs big clubs, one team only, limited roster, no dad coaches, nobody really cares about that. The expectation is practice year round with dedicated, reputable and fully engaged coaches.

What we need is some ex lax Wall Street billionaire who could care less about whether the club makes any money. All of these clubs are businesses first which leads to all the problems (daddy coaches, big rosters, pay for play clinics, rising tuitions, diluted B and C teams, conflicted tournament selection)

Well they should make money. But there is way to offer a product and produce a great product. The problem is too many value winning above all else.

If you want less clubs, stop paying for them. If you think prices are too high, stop paying them. You think rosters are too large, find a smaller one. Here’s the issue, their is a lot of expendable income in the LI lax community. Many people will pay just so that their kid plays a sport he likes and gets better at it. The big clubs charge a lot because there is a line of suckers at the door with open checkbooks. People think that if their kid plays for 91 or Express they are going to be recruited to a top D1 program. It’s simply not true. Look no further than the current recruitment class. The Bandit have 10 absolute studs on their team. They are all committed to great programs. However, they also have 10-12 slightly above average kids that are not getting a single call because they don’t play. Furthermore, big clubs have a definite pecking order when it comes to recruiting. 91 is already pushing the Wolfpack kids over the 2nd line Bandits. The bottom line is that your kid needs to play. Find the best team that gets him on the field. And do it now, because next year is too late.

Great points and I think you agree, there is a different way. Unfortunately, committed players and wins posted on social media translate to an increased revenue stream I think. And also, look at how many kids are being recruited from Florida, Georgia, Texas and other parts of the country vs 5 years ago. The opportunity to play D1 is now more and more competitive and becoming highly selective. And the number of D1 schools isn’t growing at a commensurate rate. So guess what, if you’re a 2023 with no looks. Wait it out through the spring and start with the D2 and D3s, a lot great lax is being played there. Go watch and Amherst v Tufts game and see what you think.

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