Back of THE CAGE Forums MID-ATLANTIC LACROSSE MARYLAND MAIN FORUM Holdbacks

“Let’s compare fairly” is certainly the most ironic and tone deaf statement I think I’ve heard when talking about private wealthy schools on a lacrosse message board transposed to free public education.

UMD has a larger Gilman alum presence than any other school. Your point doesn’t make any sense.

Then explain why you decided to write what you did ? Might want to understand these words, Self Awareness.

It's as ridiculous and delusional as the people who want to believe public schools are even remotely on the same level academically as privates.

You should check your facts. Students are not REQUIRED to take SATs unless the schools they are applying to require them, whether they go to a public or private high school. There are quite a few in my son’s private school class who did not take them because the universities they were applying to no longer require them for admissions.

It totally made sense.

The issue is some programs at some publics are at a minimum academically on par and in many cases superior.

Across the board paying 140k for high school should get you a better education that paying nothing.

However it’s not a blanket statement to say that all of one is better (or inferior) to all of another. I know parents need to justify paying the tuition for 14 years but the facts are what they are.

You can get a good education and get admitted to a fine college from certain publics and certain privates. It’s all good.

What , That you are looking for some ?

I'm fine with my on age kid playing against holdbacks. Good players play up, not down. Simple way to solve the holdback issue, and it doesn't take reform from U.S. Lacrosse, just a little transparency from HoCo.
Every HoCo team should have to submit a roster that includes birthdates of each player. Post that info - no names identifying kids - just the D.OB. and zip code for each player on the team on the HoCo web site. Then everyone would see what teams are really 'elite' and what teams are just stacking their rosters with holdbacks and double holdbacks.
I do think it is a safety issue when certain clubs with anger issues use 5th graders against 3rd graders. Publicly posting D.OB. info would be a free, easy, no cost way to at least level the factual playing field.

Why would HoCO let people know that their league was unsafe for kids?

Second sentence = facts!

Who is dad gonna impress at the water cooler if his kid is on age and average. Remember what this is all about. Feeding parents egos. Get with the program.

holdback discussion infinite loop:

Parents of on age kids who aren’t quite good enough to start but can play at the elite level against holdbacks—>>> moderately complain but understand that’s the way it is and generally keep it moving.

Parents of on age kids who are able to play and start against holdbacks —>> also understand it stinks but it’s generally realize in 4 years their sons will be a level above the holdbacks anyway.

Parents of holdbacks who are killing it at the elite level —>> hit the wall, play soccer, check the rankings we rule!

Parents of holdbacks who are riding the bench —>> generally silent as they quietly know their sons are going to constantly stay on the bubble to be cut every season from here on out.

Parents of AAA kids who are hovering around elite - generally the most vitriol. Feels that if there were no holdbacks taking their kids place theyd be where they want to be. This crew is TOXIC.

Parents of on age kids who are not very good at all —>> usually the loudest and somehow equate other older kids as being the reason their son isn’t a better player. That has nothing to do with anything but when your looking for an excuse - blame holdbacks.

Parents of kids playing and contributing somewhere around AA ball —>> generally seem to have the most fun just watching their sons play where they are.

Good summary. Fortunately my kid is in the category of on-age and undersized but still competes at the elite level versus holdbacks. These types of kids have tone of upside once they hit puberty.

Ok, there is a reason people hold back!!! Look at the College players. How many of the top players in college now in the top 10 colleges were “holdbacks” back when?

You sound like a holdback parent, trying to rationalize it as the “non holdback” parents that are the real problem!? Youth lacrosse needs to address the holdback issue! Period!!