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Evaluation Tip #8 #3593
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Try to give an evaluation right after tryouts. This way when you give one at the end of the season, the players can compare them.

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You would think one would be entitled to some type of feedback after a tryout. If no feedback, let it be known at the tryouts that the fools trying out are just making a donation to the club and the teams are already picked. Give a receipt for a tax deductible donation at least we can write it off as a charitable donation.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You would think one would be entitled to some type of feedback after a tryout. If no feedback, let it be known at the tryouts that the fools trying out are just making a donation to the club and the teams are already picked. Give a receipt for a tax deductible donation at least we can write it off as a charitable donation.


It's getting a litttle old on so many of these threads people crying about try outs being donations to the club. The only ones who have a gripe would be current players, especially the better ones who are in no danger of being replaced.

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your feedback is what team you made or didn't make

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You would think one would be entitled to some type of feedback after a tryout. If no feedback, let it be known at the tryouts that the fools trying out are just making a donation to the club and the teams are already picked. Give a receipt for a tax deductible donation at least we can write it off as a charitable donation.
It's getting a litttle old on so many of these threads people crying about try outs being donations to the club. The only ones who have a gripe would be current players, especially the better ones who are in no danger of being replaced.
BOTC asks this question seriously : why do you feel this way?

Lacrosse has developed this incredibly strange tradition that just to tryout for a team, you have to pay a fee in most situations. This is not a college application process we are talking about here. This is about joining a youth sports team.

So, let us turn around the question on you if we may : Exactly why is it "OK" for teams to charge players to tryout for their ranks?

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That's true. My kids have played other sports and never had a tryout fee. You paid league fees once you joined a team. This tryout fee stuff is nuts! Unless you feel like spreading your wealth around, it's like you are encouraged to limit your tryouts. They've got you before hello.

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they charge a fee, because you will pay it.

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some of the tryouts are held at indoor facilities that I would assume charge the club a fee. I can see the justification in that case as well as if there are other expenses that I'm not thinking about. Otherwise, I suppose it is pretty crappy that there is a fee.

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some of the tryouts are held at indoor facilities that I would assume charge the club a fee. I can see the justification in that case as well as if there are other expenses that I'm not thinking about. Otherwise, I suppose it is pretty crappy that there is a fee.
In the situation where an indoor facility is used to offer tryouts, isn't that a cost of being "in business" for the lacrosse organization? The question is why these costs are not factored into the full year costs for the accepted players? Shouldn't the accepted players be the cost bearers?

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Some programs of not for profit, and the cost of "renting" a field needs to be covered.

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The problem of course is that everyone would have to revolt and hold back their fee. That of course...won't happen because little Jimmy may lose his spot on the team. LOL

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Some programs of not for profit, and the cost of "renting" a field needs to be covered.
What in goodness sakes does "not for profit" corporate status have to do with properly budgeting costs needed for a full fiscal year? "Not for profit" does NOT mean that employees are not making money on the process and it similarly does NOT mean that operating capital cannot be retained at a reasonable level between IRS tax seasons.

Your argument is "we are not-for-profit, we have no money in the bank, we cannot afford to rent a field to run a tryout, so we need those interested to kick-in to help support our business".

We would argue that if you do not have the funds in the bank to maintain operations, let's let free market prevail and have those players go to a sustainable club. Get the point? Tryouts should not be fund raisers, scholarship pool-building vehicles, or revenue boosters - they are tryouts, nothing more.

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You would think one would be entitled to some type of feedback after a tryout. If no feedback, let it be known at the tryouts that the fools trying out are just making a donation to the club and the teams are already picked. Give a receipt for a tax deductible donation at least we can write it off as a charitable donation.
It's getting a litttle old on so many of these threads people crying about try outs being donations to the club. The only ones who have a gripe would be current players, especially the better ones who are in no danger of being replaced.
BOTC asks this question seriously : why do you feel this way?

Lacrosse has developed this incredibly strange tradition that just to tryout for a team, you have to pay a fee in most situations. This is not a college application process we are talking about here. This is about joining a youth sports team.

So, let us turn around the question on you if we may : Exactly why is it "OK" for teams to charge players to tryout for their ranks?


So there are obviously some costs involved in holding try-outs, from fields, paying coaches/evaluators, insurances to cover...whatever needs to get paid for. Does it all add up? I don't know. Why should the cost of the tryout be included in the players fees as a team member? (as someone suggested earlier in this thread) Why should current team members have to pay for new kids who may show up in masses to replace them get stuck covering these expenses? I see nothing wrong with any of these clubs charging a try-out fee to cover costs. The only argument I can support is "they charge too much". I have never been involved in the process, but I do know that, like everything else in life, costs add up quickly and usually to amounts much bigger than the numbers laymen add up quickly in thier heads.

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some of the tryouts are held at indoor facilities that I would assume charge the club a fee. I can see the justification in that case as well as if there are other expenses that I'm not thinking about. Otherwise, I suppose it is pretty crappy that there is a fee.
In the situation where an indoor facility is used to offer tryouts, isn't that a cost of being "in business" for the lacrosse organization? The question is why these costs are not factored into the full year costs for the accepted players? Shouldn't the accepted players be the cost bearers?

No, I don't think so. From a business perspective, it's what the market will allow. From a justification perspective, everyone attending gets some benefit from the tryout ans should thus share in its cost. When my daughter was younger I had her try out for clubs that we had no intention of being involved with becuase it was basically a cheap clinic and good practive for trying out at the club that did matter

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You would think one would be entitled to some type of feedback after a tryout. If no feedback, let it be known at the tryouts that the fools trying out are just making a donation to the club and the teams are already picked. Give a receipt for a tax deductible donation at least we can write it off as a charitable donation.
It's getting a litttle old on so many of these threads people crying about try outs being donations to the club. The only ones who have a gripe would be current players, especially the better ones who are in no danger of being replaced.
BOTC asks this question seriously : why do you feel this way?

Lacrosse has developed this incredibly strange tradition that just to tryout for a team, you have to pay a fee in most situations. This is not a college application process we are talking about here. This is about joining a youth sports team.

So, let us turn around the question on you if we may : Exactly why is it "OK" for teams to charge players to tryout for their ranks?


So there are obviously some costs involved in holding try-outs, from fields, paying coaches/evaluators, insurances to cover...whatever needs to get paid for. Does it all add up? I don't know. Why should the cost of the tryout be included in the players fees as a team member? (as someone suggested earlier in this thread) Why should current team members have to pay for new kids who may show up in masses to replace them get stuck covering these expenses? I see nothing wrong with any of these clubs charging a try-out fee to cover costs. The only argument I can support is "they charge too much". I have never been involved in the process, but I do know that, like everything else in life, costs add up quickly and usually to amounts much bigger than the numbers laymen add up quickly in thier heads.

well said

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