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Re: Girls 2023-11th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
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Depends on how you define Top program. Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others. Without knowing girls, its hard to say how many had top 20 offers.

For instance our club just had a girl turn down offers from Syracuse and Florida to go to Davidson. Another turned down Penn State and Stony Brook to go to Lehigh. Remember not all girls are trying to get the best lax school, they are looking for the best school

No way anyone turns down Penn State or SB for Lehigh. That’s actually funny! Also Florida for Davidson?? You definitely do not know what actually happened. Stop making up nonsense.

There are also no girls who have “outstanding offers” and have not decided. From hear on out, we will see girls commit to lower programs. A rare girl may still commit to a top 15, but not many[/quote]

To each her own.... but to try and bash schools like Florida, Penn State or Syracuse is simply foolish, all are excellent schools. Below has been posted previously but I think it is worth the Cut and Paste for this discussion. Personally I like the last ranking because it is not based on any particular industry. However, I'm sure the grads from the schools that put the most grads into Finance, Consulting and Tech also do a great job across the board in just about all industries. Pretty sure I don't see Davidson or Lehigh on any of the lists.

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships


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While I believe it's great for a kid to go to The Best school it is Best to go to Right (best fit) school.

Every kid is different and every school is different and every program is different. Help your sons and or daughters find the best fit.

-- "Below are some rankings of where some of the Major Players in Investment Banking, Consulting and Big Tech hire from "Target Schools". Just want to point out the opportunities Lacrosse can provide for our children. The rankings are primarily in order of "number undergraduate hires" from each school from 2014 - 2019.

Not knocking or touting any schools, just pointing out that Lacrosse can help get our children into many of the feeder schools that many companies recruit from.

Not every kid knows what career path they want to pursue so choosing a school that can open as many doors as possible is very important. In many cases, it will be the school "name recognition and or prestige" that will help get their foot in the door with an interview (lacrosse connections help as well).

Yes, I know there are a lot of great schools that are not on any of the lists....


Investment Banking: at the top firms (2014 - 2019)

1 - Penn
2 - NYU
3 - Michigan
4 - Harvard
5 - Georgetown
6 - Cornell
7 - Yale
8 - Columbia
9 - Notre Dame
10 - Princeton
11 - U of Chicago
12 - Cal - Berkeley
13 - Texas
14 - Duke
15 - Virginia
16 - Dartmouth
17 - BYU
18 - Vanderbilt
19 - Indiana
20 - Uni Southern Cal
21 - Northwestern
22 - Boston College
23 - Brown
25 - North Carolina
26 - Stanford
27 - UCLA
28 - Middlebury
29 - Penn State
30 - Emory

Consulting: at the top firms (2014 - 2020)

1 - Harvard
2 - Penn
3 - Michigan
4 - Yale
5 - Stanford
6 - Duke
7 - Princeton
8 - MIT
9 - Uni Cal Berkeley
10 - Northwestern
11 - Columbia
12 - Texas
13 - Virginia
14 - Dartmouth
15 - Notre Dame
16 - Vanderbilt
16 - Uni Chicago
18 - Brown
19 - Georgetown
20 - Georgia Tech
21 - Western University
22 - Mc Gill University
23 - Washington Uni St. Louis
24 - Queen's University
25 - BYU
26 - Rice
27 - Uni Southern California
28 - Cornell
29 - North Carolina
30 - Uni Illinois


Big Tech

1 University of California, Berkeley
2 Stanford University
3 Carnegie Mellon University
4 University of Southern California
5 The University of Texas at Austin
6 Georgia Institute of Technology
7 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
8 San Jose State University
9 University of California, San Diego
10 Arizona State University
11 University of Michigan
12 University of California, Los Angeles
13 North Carolina State University
14 California Polytechnic State University - San Luis Obispo
15 Cornell University
16 University of Waterloo (Canada)
17 Texas A&M University
18 University of Washington
19 Purdue University
20 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
21 Santa Clara University
22 University of Phoenix
23 University of California, Santa Barbara
24 University of California, Davis
25 Penn State University

Here is some additional food for thought... Link to article at the bottom

These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships. I think 18 of the these schools have a varsity women's lacrosse program.

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn State
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical

See link for article

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/ --- "

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Re: Girls 2023-11th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
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What schools have completed their recruiting for 2023's .... how do you find out? Trying to steer my daughter who has not yet committed into the right direction and at this point don't want her to focus on schools that are finished...

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What schools have completed their recruiting for 2023's .... how do you find out? Trying to steer my daughter who has not yet committed into the right direction and at this point don't want her to focus on schools that are finished...

I don’t believe that there is any definitive source that can provide that type of information.

Back of the Cage, Laxbytes and Inside Lacrosse all have databases where you can see where players have committed, they can give you a general idea of how many commits schools have.

I would go the NCAA women’s lacrosse website, click on rankings and select RPI for DI, DII and DIII. That will tell you every school that offers women’s lacrosse. I would then create a list of every school that your daughter might like to attend. From there I would reach out to all of the coaches at the schools on the list. I would ask her club coach/director, HS Coach and anyone else that you know who has a relationship with the college coaches to reach out.

If your daughter does not get any interest I would revise the list and repeat the process.

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Depends on how you define Top program. Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others. Without knowing girls, its hard to say how many had top 20 offers.

For instance our club just had a girl turn down offers from Syracuse and Florida to go to Davidson. Another turned down Penn State and Stony Brook to go to Lehigh. Remember not all girls are trying to get the best lax school, they are looking for the best school

No way anyone turns down Penn State or SB for Lehigh. That’s actually funny! Also Florida for Davidson?? You definitely do not know what actually happened. Stop making up nonsense.

There are also no girls who have “outstanding offers” and have not decided. From hear on out, we will see girls commit to lower programs. A rare girl may still commit to a top 15, but not many

Not the poster, so I have no knowledge that this actually happened (girls turning down Penn State and Florida), but I can definitely see it. The schools they referenced are certainly academically superior. I am seeing more and more these days, players making decisions like this. If you are concerned with playing on a “decent” lax program you go penn State. If you want to better set your self up for the rest of your life through academics , you go Lehigh, no question. PSU is a huge state school with a 78% acceptance rate, you do not need lacrosse to get you in there. Florida definitely a closer call academically with Davidson as an example and also a bigger spread from a lacrosse standpoint. But It is sad to see parents who just don’t get it, and worse have their kids thinking the same way and are blinded to the future.[/quote]

I am also not the original poster, so no personal knowledge about these players, but I can believe occasionally players turn down a PSU or UF for a Lehigh or Davidson. I would not say those schools are academically superior to top publics, especially when you factor in return on investment for tuition, but certainly a different academic experience due to smaller size and setting which could be superior for certain people. All are good schools, but not every kid will thrive at a large college town campus. Kudos to those who have that awareness when selecting a college instead of simply picking what others will judge as most impressive. I know Florida in particularly offers some spots with no money or only book money (not saying their top recruits aren't getting meaningful money, but not all do especially with 40+ on a roster), and some players would rather drop down to lower ranked program with a generous athletic scholarship, indicating she is a player the coaches really value and want. The important thing is to pick a school and lacrosse program for the right reasons, and those reasons vary for every player.

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Anonymous #358520 11/28/21 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Depends on how you define Top program. Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others. Without knowing girls, its hard to say how many had top 20 offers.

For instance our club just had a girl turn down offers from Syracuse and Florida to go to Davidson. Another turned down Penn State and Stony Brook to go to Lehigh. Remember not all girls are trying to get the best lax school, they are looking for the best school

No way anyone turns down Penn State or SB for Lehigh. That’s actually funny! Also Florida for Davidson?? You definitely do not know what actually happened. Stop making up nonsense.

There are also no girls who have “outstanding offers” and have not decided. From hear on out, we will see girls commit to lower programs. A rare girl may still commit to a top 15, but not many

To each her own.... but to try and bash schools like Florida, Penn State or Syracuse is simply foolish, all are excellent schools. Below has been posted previously but I think it is worth the Cut and Paste for this discussion. Personally I like the last ranking because it is not based on any particular industry. However, I'm sure the grads from the schools that put the most grads into Finance, Consulting and Tech also do a great job across the board in just about all industries. Pretty sure I don't see Davidson or Lehigh on any of the lists.

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships


--- "A lot of the schools listed below have Varsity Women's Lacrosse....

While I believe it's great for a kid to go to The Best school it is Best to go to Right (best fit) school.

Every kid is different and every school is different and every program is different. Help your sons and or daughters find the best fit.

-- "Below are some rankings of where some of the Major Players in Investment Banking, Consulting and Big Tech hire from "Target Schools". Just want to point out the opportunities Lacrosse can provide for our children. The rankings are primarily in order of "number undergraduate hires" from each school from 2014 - 2019.

Not knocking or touting any schools, just pointing out that Lacrosse can help get our children into many of the feeder schools that many companies recruit from.

Not every kid knows what career path they want to pursue so choosing a school that can open as many doors as possible is very important. In many cases, it will be the school "name recognition and or prestige" that will help get their foot in the door with an interview (lacrosse connections help as well).

Yes, I know there are a lot of great schools that are not on any of the lists....


Investment Banking: at the top firms (2014 - 2019)

1 - Penn
2 - NYU
3 - Michigan
4 - Harvard
5 - Georgetown
6 - Cornell
7 - Yale
8 - Columbia
9 - Notre Dame
10 - Princeton
11 - U of Chicago
12 - Cal - Berkeley
13 - Texas
14 - Duke
15 - Virginia
16 - Dartmouth
17 - BYU
18 - Vanderbilt
19 - Indiana
20 - Uni Southern Cal
21 - Northwestern
22 - Boston College
23 - Brown
25 - North Carolina
26 - Stanford
27 - UCLA
28 - Middlebury
29 - Penn State
30 - Emory

Consulting: at the top firms (2014 - 2020)

1 - Harvard
2 - Penn
3 - Michigan
4 - Yale
5 - Stanford
6 - Duke
7 - Princeton
8 - MIT
9 - Uni Cal Berkeley
10 - Northwestern
11 - Columbia
12 - Texas
13 - Virginia
14 - Dartmouth
15 - Notre Dame
16 - Vanderbilt
16 - Uni Chicago
18 - Brown
19 - Georgetown
20 - Georgia Tech
21 - Western University
22 - Mc Gill University
23 - Washington Uni St. Louis
24 - Queen's University
25 - BYU
26 - Rice
27 - Uni Southern California
28 - Cornell
29 - North Carolina
30 - Uni Illinois


Big Tech

1 University of California, Berkeley
2 Stanford University
3 Carnegie Mellon University
4 University of Southern California
5 The University of Texas at Austin
6 Georgia Institute of Technology
7 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
8 San Jose State University
9 University of California, San Diego
10 Arizona State University
11 University of Michigan
12 University of California, Los Angeles
13 North Carolina State University
14 California Polytechnic State University - San Luis Obispo
15 Cornell University
16 University of Waterloo (Canada)
17 Texas A&M University
18 University of Washington
19 Purdue University
20 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
21 Santa Clara University
22 University of Phoenix
23 University of California, Santa Barbara
24 University of California, Davis
25 Penn State University

Here is some additional food for thought... Link to article at the bottom

These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships. I think 18 of the these schools have a varsity women's lacrosse program.

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn State
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical

See link for article

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/ --- "[/quote]

I would define Top Programs as the programs that are consistently Top 10 - 20 over the past 5 - 10 years, not programs that finish ranked every once in a while.

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College
Northwestern
Syracuse
Princeton
Virginia
Stony Brook
Florida
Penn
Notre Dame
JMU
Penn State
USC
Stanford
Duke

Loyola and Hopkins are probably right there as well. Michigan on the rise the past couple of years. I do not think any other schools really fall in the category of consistently finishing the season ranked in the Top 20. You will not find too many truly top tier recruits going outside that list. Does it happen? Yes, but it is rare.

They are all very good to great schools with excellent lacrosse programs. Obviously many of the best lacrosse schools are on the lists above.

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I like the methodology used to develop these rankings:

Link - https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/


--- "These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships. I think 18 of the these schools have a varsity women's lacrosse program.

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn State
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical --- "

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Depends on how you define Top program. Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others. Without knowing girls, its hard to say how many had top 20 offers.

For instance our club just had a girl turn down offers from Syracuse and Florida to go to Davidson. Another turned down Penn State and Stony Brook to go to Lehigh. Remember not all girls are trying to get the best lax school, they are looking for the best school

No way anyone turns down Penn State or SB for Lehigh. That’s actually funny! Also Florida for Davidson?? You definitely do not know what actually happened. Stop making up nonsense.

There are also no girls who have “outstanding offers” and have not decided. From hear on out, we will see girls commit to lower programs. A rare girl may still commit to a top 15, but not many

Not the poster, so I have no knowledge that this actually happened (girls turning down Penn State and Florida), but I can definitely see it. The schools they referenced are certainly academically superior. I am seeing more and more these days, players making decisions like this. If you are concerned with playing on a “decent” lax program you go penn State. If you want to better set your self up for the rest of your life through academics , you go Lehigh, no question. PSU is a huge state school with a 78% acceptance rate, you do not need lacrosse to get you in there. Florida definitely a closer call academically with Davidson as an example and also a bigger spread from a lacrosse standpoint. But It is sad to see parents who just don’t get it, and worse have their kids thinking the same way and are blinded to the future.[/quote]

Lol, Penn State is literally ranked the same as Lehigh. Where did you come up with 78% acceptance. Flat out incorrect. Penn State is a much more desirable school for most, due to the atmosphere, facilities, alumni network, and better lax. Trust me, parents and kids get it!

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Money magazine's ranking is also a good resource for evaluating academic quality balanced with cost and return (earnings) after college. Lots of good lacrosse options in the top 50 - many of the academically selective D1 schools you'd expect (ivies, Stanford, Duke) plus some good D3 options, as well as public universities like Michigan, UVA, UF, UNC, Va Tech, JMU and UConn that have good to excellent lacrosse programs. These lists can be a good starting point for comparing offers and opportunities, but every school is a good fit for someone and there are very happy and successful people who did not attend top ranked universities.

https://money.com/best-colleges/

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No one cares what mom has to say

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No one cares what mom has to say

Thanks, that was helpful.

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Only a handful of players ( 4-8 ) from any club will receive offers from Top College Programs.[/quote]


Depends on how you define Top program. Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others. Without knowing girls, its hard to say how many had top 20 offers.

For instance our club just had a girl turn down offers from Syracuse and Florida to go to Davidson. Another turned down Penn State and Stony Brook to go to Lehigh. Remember not all girls are trying to get the best lax school, they are looking for the best school[/quote]

Most people would define "Top Program" as a program that always ends up finishing the season ranked in the top 20. Most of those programs also happen to be excellent academic schools as well. As for your statement "Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others." is just silly. Just about every player and their parents try to use lacrosse to get into a school that they would not be able to get into on their own (or to get some financial help). If student athletes are in fact turning down offers from Florida, Syracuse, Penn State and Stony Brook in order to accept offers from Davidson and Lehigh academics is not the reason.

There have always been parents on here (as well as on the sidelines, at cocktail parties, at the club or the local pub) trying to justify why their child did not go to one of the perineal lacrosse powers. In my experience, many times they use academics as the reason which is laughable. The reality is that very few of the best players choose to go outside the top lacrosse programs.

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Depends on how you define Top program. Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others. Without knowing girls, its hard to say how many had top 20 offers.

For instance our club just had a girl turn down offers from Syracuse and Florida to go to Davidson. Another turned down Penn State and Stony Brook to go to Lehigh. Remember not all girls are trying to get the best lax school, they are looking for the best school

No way anyone turns down Penn State or SB for Lehigh. That’s actually funny! Also Florida for Davidson?? You definitely do not know what actually happened. Stop making up nonsense.

There are also no girls who have “outstanding offers” and have not decided. From hear on out, we will see girls commit to lower programs. A rare girl may still commit to a top 15, but not many

Not the poster, so I have no knowledge that this actually happened (girls turning down Penn State and Florida), but I can definitely see it. The schools they referenced are certainly academically superior. I am seeing more and more these days, players making decisions like this. If you are concerned with playing on a “decent” lax program you go penn State. If you want to better set your self up for the rest of your life through academics , you go Lehigh, no question. PSU is a huge state school with a 78% acceptance rate, you do not need lacrosse to get you in there. Florida definitely a closer call academically with Davidson as an example and also a bigger spread from a lacrosse standpoint. But It is sad to see parents who just don’t get it, and worse have their kids thinking the same way and are blinded to the future.[/quote]

Florida is way better academically than Lehigh (look at US News and World reports), Davidson is a decentish liberal arts college but not that difficult to get into. This is fake news.

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Depends on how you define Top program. Many girls, especially from private schools, are only targeting top academic schools which is Duke, Stanford, Candy Hopkins, Ivy, Patriot league and a few others. Without knowing girls, its hard to say how many had top 20 offers.

For instance our club just had a girl turn down offers from Syracuse and Florida to go to Davidson. Another turned down Penn State and Stony Brook to go to Lehigh. Remember not all girls are trying to get the best lax school, they are looking for the best school

No way anyone turns down Penn State or SB for Lehigh. That’s actually funny! Also Florida for Davidson?? You definitely do not know what actually happened. Stop making up nonsense.

There are also no girls who have “outstanding offers” and have not decided. From hear on out, we will see girls commit to lower programs. A rare girl may still commit to a top 15, but not many

Not the poster, so I have no knowledge that this actually happened (girls turning down Penn State and Florida), but I can definitely see it. The schools they referenced are certainly academically superior. I am seeing more and more these days, players making decisions like this. If you are concerned with playing on a “decent” lax program you go penn State. If you want to better set your self up for the rest of your life through academics , you go Lehigh, no question. PSU is a huge state school with a 78% acceptance rate, you do not need lacrosse to get you in there. Florida definitely a closer call academically with Davidson as an example and also a bigger spread from a lacrosse standpoint. But It is sad to see parents who just don’t get it, and worse have their kids thinking the same way and are blinded to the future.

Florida is way better academically than Lehigh (look at US News and World reports), Davidson is a decentish liberal arts college but not that difficult to get into. This is fake news.[/quote]

Splitting hairs, they are all good schools. Every kid is different, every school is different, every lacrosse program is different, just hope your daughter finds the best fit.

The original post on the topic was by someone who wants people to believe that there are many top notch players who have the opportunity to go to a Top 20 / perineal power I.e. Florida, Syracuse, Penn State, Stony Brook etc… but they put academics first therefore the athletes choose to go to schools such as Lehigh and Davidson because they believe those schools are somehow superior academically which they are not.

If a top notch lacrosse player wants great academics they can certainly find them at Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Northwestern, Hopkins, Notre Dame etc…
The reality is that the large majority of the best players do in fact choose to go to the schools with perineal Top 20 lacrosse programs.

Some parents find it necessary to try to justify why their daughter is not going to one of the best programs, many times they use academics as the reason.

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What planet are you from. Lehigh is much better school , smaller harder to get in ,higher SAT/GPA needed. Davidson is also good academic school.

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ConnectLax has data about school selectivity and admission rates; doesn't touch on academic quality. Here is the data on the five schools mentioned above:

Penn State - selectivity 3/10, admission rate 76% (this is the least selective school of the five)
Stony Brook - selectivity 9/10, admission rate 44%
Florida - selectivity 9/10, admission rate 37%
Lehigh - selectivity 9/10, admission rate 32%
Davidson - 10/10, admission rate 18%

I have no affiliation with any of these schools, but I have lived in North Carolina and know what an excellent reputation Davidson has and how difficult it is to get in.

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