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Re: Boys 2028 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous #358105 11/23/21 04:11 PM
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Man. I’ve really missed this thread. Y’all are seriously not normal humans. So glad I moved my kid down to his actual graduation class. 🤣

I think the whole point is that "actual graduation class" and "actual age" can be pretty different things.

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Your kid literally could not compete with kids his own age!
Try again.

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The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.
The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

“We” - I guess the 13yr old is posting now. Happy thanksgiving little man.

He might be bigger than you, Amigo
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The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.
The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

“We” - I guess the 13yr old is posting now. Happy thanksgiving little man.

He might be bigger than you, Amigo

Well he’s older than me too so there’s that.

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Your kid literally could not compete with kids his own age!
Try again.

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Your kid literally could not compete with kids his own age!
Try again.

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.
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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

So the big kid who is held back will struggle because he’s been playing against inferior competition all his life? That is your logic? Good luck with that pal. I hope you’re right because my kid is not only on age, but young. Nothing I can do about it at this point, he loves the kid + his team and I’m not holding him back. He just has to work a little harder.

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Didn’t somebody start a new forum for the holdback conversation? It is so tired.

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Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

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Enough about the Madlax double holdback. He may be a teenager playing against 11 year olds, but he’s still a kid.
I’m sure his parents didn’t set out to hold him back two classes and are doing their best.
The Obnoxious Madlax Dad (OMD) who constantly pops off, on the other hand, deserves scorn. He says a lot of fact-free, insecure garbage.
But have some empathy for OMD (and his kid too). A happy, well-adjusted parent wouldn’t post the twisted word vomit that OMD constantly spews.
I’ll admit the petty insults on here can be entertaining. But this thread has lost its way. Let's all try to be more like Bored Dad and less OMD.

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Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!

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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.
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What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.
If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

So the big kid who is held back will struggle because he’s been playing against inferior competition all his life? That is your logic? Good luck with that pal. I hope you’re right because my kid is not only on age, but young. Nothing I can do about it at this point, he loves the kid + his team and I’m not holding him back. He just has to work a little harder.

Honestly (not trolling) I think the general assessment from the last 5 years of MIAA kids is that double-holdback kids tend to peak at about age 17, which is ideal for recruiting obviously, but then settle into obscurity at their top-10 college roster where everyone else is as good as they are, or better. This is still a pretty fabulous outcome for a young man (scholarships, part of an elite lax unit at college, probably getting a great education and network) but no, in fact, the 24 year olds don't *usually* shine so bright in college.

Has COVID aging (thinking of the 26 year old at UNC) upended that? Maybe. With more and more blue chip athletes going to "free" community college or prep school before using their 1st year of D1 eligibility these days, maybe this pattern gets disrupted and the older kids do come out on top again. But not yet.

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Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!


Cabel is the REAL Turkey in the lacrosse world

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