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Re: Boys High School Lax
Anonymous #353107 10/16/21 08:59 AM
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Well that’s a great response on the girls HS forum, now do the men. Let’s stay consistent here.


Maybe, it's because men's only lax recruiting data isn't publicly available. Why don't you provide your own data? Have you ever heard of the mathematical concept called interpolation?

No, the point is, male lacrosse players do not get a tremendous boost as is repeatedly implied here. They get a minimal “boost. That’s the painful truth for far too many lacrosse parents who thinks juniors C+ average an 1090 SAT are getting him into Duke or ND. It’s not.

Nobody thinks their kid is getting into any top tier academic school with a c+ average.[/quote]

That didn’t age well now did it?[/quote]

There are huge advantages in the admission process for lacrosse players. My sons friend, and not someone that people would consider a great player, was able to get into Stony Brook with a 2.4 GPA. Stony Brook requires a 3.8 on average for non-athletes. Of course Stony Brook is not the greatest school and has a tough time finding people who want to go there but this illustrates the type of boost you can get in admissions with lacrosse for someone who is not even a great player. Also, the kid is doing very well academically at Stony Brook.

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Anonymous #353112 10/16/21 09:31 AM
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Well that’s a great response on the girls HS forum, now do the men. Let’s stay consistent here.


Maybe, it's because men's only lax recruiting data isn't publicly available. Why don't you provide your own data? Have you ever heard of the mathematical concept called interpolation?

No, the point is, male lacrosse players do not get a tremendous boost as is repeatedly implied here. They get a minimal “boost. That’s the painful truth for far too many lacrosse parents who thinks juniors C+ average an 1090 SAT are getting him into Duke or ND. It’s not.[/quote]

Nobody thinks their kid is getting into any top tier academic school with a c+ average.[/quote]


You're deluded if you think a lacrosse player with a low 1400 SAT and top grades with 0 hooks other than athletics is getting into a top 10 school WITHOUT being recruited by that school's coach. In fact, the cost of just getting 1 foot in the door of these prestigious schools is close to SAT 1500+ or equivalent and top 5% class rank. It's a numbers game- there are too few spots available and too many qualified students applying every year. Every year, there are over 20,000+ kids in the US who score 1500+ on the SAT with roughly 10,000 or fewer openings (outside of hooks) among the top 10 schools.. Even among students with SAT scores of 1500+, that's not enough. They want students to demonstrate significant (read- national level) excellence outside of their usual scholastic activity (e.g. Regeneron ISEF finalist, publishing scientific research, running a successful NGO, award winning writing, volunteering, nationally recognized musician). Of course, there are rare exceptions for special individuals. David Hogg got into Harvard with his 1270 SAT score because he was a survivor of the Parkland HS shootings and became a nationally recognized gun control activist. Malala Yousafzai would also get in with really low grades and scores because she won a Nobel Prize. If you think that being a nationally recognized lacrosse player means something, it doesn't unless that school's coach wants you. Every one of these schools (with D1 sports programs) already has over 1000+ varsity athletes comprising up to 23% of the student body; they don't need any more athletes, especially one who plays the same sport but isn't being recruited to play for their team.
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Best way into top schools is with sports as a recruited athlete, as long as you are in range with the grades. Second best way for non athlete is to transfer in after freshman year. Chances of being accepted as sophomore rise dramatically.

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Anonymous #353120 10/16/21 12:51 PM
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We were told this by our HS college counselor. If you are trying to get accepted by a top academic school as a recruited athlete, you are basically putting all of your eggs in one basket Because nearly all competitive athletes put most of their extracurricular time focused on sports, they really have nothing to show for in that category outside of athletics. If the coach of that school isn't interested in recruiting you, your athletic achievements essentially become meaningless to that school. And since most competitive athletes don't have any other significant extracurricular activities, you have no shot in competing against the many similarly qualified academic applicants who have.

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Anonymous #353244 10/17/21 09:47 PM
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Your hs counselor lied to you or you son is not good enough. Good luck with both!!

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Anonymous #353248 10/18/21 05:02 AM
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We were told this by our HS college counselor. If you are trying to get accepted by a top academic school as a recruited athlete, you are basically putting all of your eggs in one basket Because nearly all competitive athletes put most of their extracurricular time focused on sports, they really have nothing to show for in that category outside of athletics. If the coach of that school isn't interested in recruiting you, your athletic achievements essentially become meaningless to that school. And since most competitive athletes don't have any other significant extracurricular activities, you have no shot in competing against the many similarly qualified academic applicants who have.

I strongly agree. If the coach of the school isn’t recruiting your son, the athletic achievements aren’t really impactful, unless he was like a captain or something like that.

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The lack of understanding displayed throughout the discussion about recruiting and admission to college/university is truly remarkable.

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My son is a junior on 9/1 eleven schools reached out. Not DUKE, ND, Virginia etc. However hey were all D-1 schools and he has a 89 average and hasn't taken the SAT yet so far not one school has said he wont get in academically. Bottom line he is an average student and that is fine and Lax is going to get him into one of those schools FACT. Without Lax he wouldn't be considered.

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My son is a junior on 9/1 eleven schools reached out. Not DUKE, ND, Virginia etc. However hey were all D-1 schools and he has a 89 average and hasn't taken the SAT yet so far not one school has said he wont get in academically. Bottom line he is an average student and that is fine and Lax is going to get him into one of those schools FACT. Without Lax he wouldn't be considered.

We have beaten this topic to death. Anyone who does not understand how recruiting and admissions works has their head in the sand.

Although every situation is different, the bottom line is that recruited athletes do not need the same academic credentials as non athletes. It doesn’t matter if we are talking about Princeton, Harvard or Yale or lower academic tier schools recruited athletes are not held to the same academic standards as the general population.

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Anonymous #353295 10/18/21 09:18 AM
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My son is a junior on 9/1 eleven schools reached out. Not DUKE, ND, Virginia etc. However hey were all D-1 schools and he has a 89 average and hasn't taken the SAT yet so far not one school has said he wont get in academically. Bottom line he is an average student and that is fine and Lax is going to get him into one of those schools FACT. Without Lax he wouldn't be considered.

The level of help depends on how good the recruit is compared to the grades he has and what the school requires. Everyone gets some help. The higher a school has placed a kid on the recruitment list the more help he will receive. Nothing is absolute. I know one kid who got into a top lacrosse and academic Ivy through lacrosse and a weak Patriot League team could not get him through admissions. Every coach has a different relationship with admissions. Every coach evaluates talent different. Just because a top lacrosse and academic school like Yale wants a kid does not mean a weaker lacrosse college with much weaker admissions standards could get him through admissions. Every situation is different.

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My son is a junior on 9/1 eleven schools reached out. Not DUKE, ND, Virginia etc. However hey were all D-1 schools and he has a 89 average and hasn't taken the SAT yet so far not one school has said he wont get in academically. Bottom line he is an average student and that is fine and Lax is going to get him into one of those schools FACT. Without Lax he wouldn't be considered.

2020 and 2021 recruiting classes: Ivy League schools wanted SAT scores in the 1400 range for recruited lax players with some exceptions
2022 and ?2023 recruiting classes: SAT/ACT scores were no longer required by the Ivy League for recruited lax players

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My son is a junior on 9/1 eleven schools reached out. Not DUKE, ND, Virginia etc. However hey were all D-1 schools and he has a 89 average and hasn't taken the SAT yet so far not one school has said he wont get in academically. Bottom line he is an average student and that is fine and Lax is going to get him into one of those schools FACT. Without Lax he wouldn't be considered.

2020 and 2021 recruiting classes: Ivy League schools wanted SAT scores in the 1400 range for recruited lax players with some exceptions
2022 and ?2023 recruiting classes: SAT/ACT scores were no longer required by the Ivy League for recruited lax players

Around and around we go…. Please stop trying to point out individual situation as if they are the norm.

Every recruit is different and every school is different and every situation is different.

To say Ivy League schools were looking for an SAT score in the 1400 range is not accurate at all. Recruiting is specific to the player and the school.

It is very simple, athletes get preferential treatment with admissions. However, not all athletes are equal, some will get more help than others. Just because a coach tells one recruit that they need certain grades or test scores does not mean every other recruit needs the same.

All of the stories are nice to hear but in the end every situation is different.

If you are going through this process for the first time or will be going through it in the future do not listen to much of the nonsense on here. Let the coaches who are interested in your son tell him/you what credentials your son will need.

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Anonymous #353335 10/18/21 01:05 PM
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My son is a junior on 9/1 eleven schools reached out. Not DUKE, ND, Virginia etc. However hey were all D-1 schools and he has a 89 average and hasn't taken the SAT yet so far not one school has said he wont get in academically. Bottom line he is an average student and that is fine and Lax is going to get him into one of those schools FACT. Without Lax he wouldn't be considered.

2020 and 2021 recruiting classes: Ivy League schools wanted SAT scores in the 1400 range for recruited lax players with some exceptions
2022 and ?2023 recruiting classes: SAT/ACT scores were no longer required by the Ivy League for recruited lax players

Source of this information?

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Anonymous #353336 10/18/21 01:22 PM
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My son is a junior on 9/1 eleven schools reached out. Not DUKE, ND, Virginia etc. However hey were all D-1 schools and he has a 89 average and hasn't taken the SAT yet so far not one school has said he wont get in academically. Bottom line he is an average student and that is fine and Lax is going to get him into one of those schools FACT. Without Lax he wouldn't be considered.

2020 and 2021 recruiting classes: Ivy League schools wanted SAT scores in the 1400 range for recruited lax players with some exceptions
2022 and ?2023 recruiting classes: SAT/ACT scores were no longer required by the Ivy League for recruited lax players

Source of this information?

Personal experience and info from kid's older teammates who committed to those schools
Have you ever heard of the Ivy League's Academic Index? There was an Ivy League overall requirement for athletic recruits to fall within a prescribed academic band.

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