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Re: Boys High School Lax
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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

There is no doubt that recruited athletics receive tremendous assistance in getting admitted to the schools you listed. Based on the statistics presented above, you can even argue that probably none of the enrolled student-athletes had any business applying to these schools if it wasn't for sports.

That is correct. That is also why these kids who do not belong going to these high academic schools major in basket weaving, history, and criminal justice.

Yeah, basket weaving... Your small minded view demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a quote from a Harvard History Major:

“After five years on Wall Street working
for two of the largest investment banks in the world (Morgan Stanley &
UBS), I have found that communication skills are absolutely essential to
success in a career in finance. I would argue that one’s ability to write,
compose, and edit well is more important than one’s ability to create a
spreadsheet or perform quantitative-oriented tasks. So far in my career,
my communication skills have definitely set me apart from my peers.
Nearly all business problems I have faced were discussed, debated,
and ultimately solved either over e-mail or through more formal
correspondence (especially with clients), and it was my ability to present
well-formed arguments and logical solutions that frequently won me
praise from firm management. In this respect, the training I received
from the Harvard History Department prepared me EXTREMELY well
for my professional life. My advice to anyone who is not sure what they
can do with a Harvard History degree - Anything they want. It’s really
true!”

Choose a Major that you are passionate about, do well and get good grades and you can do whatever you want. Communication skills and leadership skills are critical in business.

The History Major or any Liberal Arts Major with excellent grades graduating from any Top 10 - 20 University will have many options, some will go on to Law School, some will go to Wall Street, some will go into Consulting some will go travel the world or play lacrosse until they figure out what they want to do.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

There is no doubt that recruited athletics receive tremendous assistance in getting admitted to the schools you listed. Based on the statistics presented above, you can even argue that probably none of the enrolled student-athletes had any business applying to these schools if it wasn't for sports.

That is correct. That is also why these kids who do not belong going to these high academic schools major in basket weaving, history, and criminal justice.

Yeah, basket weaving... Your small minded view demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a quote from a Harvard History Major:

“After five years on Wall Street working
for two of the largest investment banks in the world (Morgan Stanley &
UBS), I have found that communication skills are absolutely essential to
success in a career in finance. I would argue that one’s ability to write,
compose, and edit well is more important than one’s ability to create a
spreadsheet or perform quantitative-oriented tasks. So far in my career,
my communication skills have definitely set me apart from my peers.
Nearly all business problems I have faced were discussed, debated,
and ultimately solved either over e-mail or through more formal
correspondence (especially with clients), and it was my ability to present
well-formed arguments and logical solutions that frequently won me
praise from firm management. In this respect, the training I received
from the Harvard History Department prepared me EXTREMELY well
for my professional life. My advice to anyone who is not sure what they
can do with a Harvard History degree - Anything they want. It’s really
true!”

Choose a Major that you are passionate about, do well and get good grades and you can do whatever you want. Communication skills and leadership skills are critical in business.

The History Major or any Liberal Arts Major with excellent grades graduating from any Top 10 - 20 University will have many options, some will go on to Law School, some will go to Wall Street, some will go into Consulting some will go travel the world or play lacrosse until they figure out what they want to do.

You bring up excellent points. Kids going to the tippy top schools have a lot of potential opportunities. But a legitimate concern is how these student-athletes can successfully compete in the classroom against peers who are academically stronger (admission SATs 150-300 points higher) and who don’t have to devote 40 hr/week year-round practicing a sport. Fortunately, it’s very hard to fail out or three schools. But how realistic is it for the vast majority athletes to compete academically. Professors don’t usually give the whole class As. Some group in every class has to earn the lowest grade.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

There is no doubt that recruited athletics receive tremendous assistance in getting admitted to the schools you listed. Based on the statistics presented above, you can even argue that probably none of the enrolled student-athletes had any business applying to these schools if it wasn't for sports.

That is correct. That is also why these kids who do not belong going to these high academic schools major in basket weaving, history, and criminal justice.

Yeah, basket weaving... Your small minded view demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a quote from a Harvard History Major:

“After five years on Wall Street working
for two of the largest investment banks in the world (Morgan Stanley &
UBS), I have found that communication skills are absolutely essential to
success in a career in finance. I would argue that one’s ability to write,
compose, and edit well is more important than one’s ability to create a
spreadsheet or perform quantitative-oriented tasks. So far in my career,
my communication skills have definitely set me apart from my peers.
Nearly all business problems I have faced were discussed, debated,
and ultimately solved either over e-mail or through more formal
correspondence (especially with clients), and it was my ability to present
well-formed arguments and logical solutions that frequently won me
praise from firm management. In this respect, the training I received
from the Harvard History Department prepared me EXTREMELY well
for my professional life. My advice to anyone who is not sure what they
can do with a Harvard History degree - Anything they want. It’s really
true!”

Choose a Major that you are passionate about, do well and get good grades and you can do whatever you want. Communication skills and leadership skills are critical in business.

The History Major or any Liberal Arts Major with excellent grades graduating from any Top 10 - 20 University will have many options, some will go on to Law School, some will go to Wall Street, some will go into Consulting some will go travel the world or play lacrosse until they figure out what they want to do.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

There is no doubt that recruited athletics receive tremendous assistance in getting admitted to the schools you listed. Based on the statistics presented above, you can even argue that probably none of the enrolled student-athletes had any business applying to these schools if it wasn't for sports.

That is correct. That is also why these kids who do not belong going to these high academic schools major in basket weaving, history, and criminal justice.

Yeah, basket weaving... Your small minded view demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a quote from a Harvard History Major:

“After five years on Wall Street working
for two of the largest investment banks in the world (Morgan Stanley &
UBS), I have found that communication skills are absolutely essential to
success in a career in finance. I would argue that one’s ability to write,
compose, and edit well is more important than one’s ability to create a
spreadsheet or perform quantitative-oriented tasks. So far in my career,
my communication skills have definitely set me apart from my peers.
Nearly all business problems I have faced were discussed, debated,
and ultimately solved either over e-mail or through more formal
correspondence (especially with clients), and it was my ability to present
well-formed arguments and logical solutions that frequently won me
praise from firm management. In this respect, the training I received
from the Harvard History Department prepared me EXTREMELY well
for my professional life. My advice to anyone who is not sure what they
can do with a Harvard History degree - Anything they want. It’s really
true!”

Choose a Major that you are passionate about, do well and get good grades and you can do whatever you want. Communication skills and leadership skills are critical in business.

The History Major or any Liberal Arts Major with excellent grades graduating from any Top 10 - 20 University will have many options, some will go on to Law School, some will go to Wall Street, some will go into Consulting some will go travel the world or play lacrosse until they figure out what they want to do.

You bring up excellent points. Kids going to the tippy top schools have a lot of potential opportunities. But a legitimate concern is how these student-athletes can successfully compete in the classroom against peers who are academically stronger (admission SATs 150-300 points higher) and who don’t have to devote 40 hr/week year-round practicing a sport. Fortunately, it’s very hard to fail out or three schools. But how realistic is it for the vast majority athletes to compete academically. Professors don’t usually give the whole class As. Some group in every class has to earn the lowest grade.

You are transparent with your passive aggressive backhanded complements.

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Anonymous #352831 10/13/21 09:10 PM
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I actually have a kid committed to a top 10 school, That’s why I’m asking the question.

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Maybe someone with a kid who has gone through it would be best to respond.

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Anonymous #352836 10/13/21 09:51 PM
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Maybe someone with a kid who has gone through it would be best to respond.

Once you are admitted, make sure your kid takes the same classes/major as the majority of teammates if he’s not a super strong student. They all cheat their way through. Been through it twice. Once they get out and get a job they will be trained. They learn nothing in college unless they take a tough major like engineering or pre med type majors

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I guess you don't find out about a lot things until you get there.

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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

OK because every rich white lax player is smart and studies hard.

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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

OK because every rich white lax player is smart and studies hard.

No! But a lot of time they do have some pretty good connections with boosters who can help the admissions process as well! Sometimes it’s who you know and not what !

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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

Can’t leave those sports out, any school with either program is giving those athletes the admission preference. Not the lacrosse player.

You leave those sports out because they do not compare to Lacrosse or any other non-revenue sport. Lacrosse Players do get admissions preference but you can not compare college football or Basketball to lacrosse at ND, Michigan, Penn State, Virginia, Maryland, OSU, NorthCarolina, Syracuse, Villanova, Richmond, UMass, Delaware, Stony Brook, Army, Navy, Air Force, Princeton, Yale, Harvard or any other Ivy. College Football Programs carry 120 plus players on the roster and their budgets far exceed any lacrosse budget.

All recruited athletes get a tremendous boost in the Admissions office, even if football and men's basketball players get an even bigger boost.

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Anonymous #352902 10/14/21 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

Can’t leave those sports out, any school with either program is giving those athletes the admission preference. Not the lacrosse player.

You leave those sports out because they do not compare to Lacrosse or any other non-revenue sport. Lacrosse Players do get admissions preference but you can not compare college football or Basketball to lacrosse at ND, Michigan, Penn State, Virginia, Maryland, OSU, NorthCarolina, Syracuse, Villanova, Richmond, UMass, Delaware, Stony Brook, Army, Navy, Air Force, Princeton, Yale, Harvard or any other Ivy. College Football Programs carry 120 plus players on the roster and their budgets far exceed any lacrosse budget.

All recruited athletes get a tremendous boost in the Admissions office, even if football and men's basketball players get an even bigger boost.

No they don't get a tremendous boost UNLESS they are football or basketball players.

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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

Can’t leave those sports out, any school with either program is giving those athletes the admission preference. Not the lacrosse player.

You leave those sports out because they do not compare to Lacrosse or any other non-revenue sport. Lacrosse Players do get admissions preference but you can not compare college football or Basketball to lacrosse at ND, Michigan, Penn State, Virginia, Maryland, OSU, NorthCarolina, Syracuse, Villanova, Richmond, UMass, Delaware, Stony Brook, Army, Navy, Air Force, Princeton, Yale, Harvard or any other Ivy. College Football Programs carry 120 plus players on the roster and their budgets far exceed any lacrosse budget.

Then don't use general terms like athletes, be specific in your argument. What are the statistics for lacrosse players on a lacrosse forum? Be specific.

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Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

OK because every rich white lax player is smart and studies hard.

Where did you read studies hard? facts are the majority of lacrosse players at top academic schools are white and upper-middle class. Sorry to burst your bubble. Look at the rosters of the Top 5 programs for the last 10 years and show me the poor inner-city kids. How many do you think you will find?

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Maybe the universities don't like to publicize their internal statistics which show how much they favor certain groups over other applicants to their schools? Maybe, lacrosse is still a relatively niche sport, so there isn't much publicity about lacrosse recruiting and the sport in general compared to other sports?
A direct comparison is not possible.

Duke Class of 2007, the average SAT score for male non-athletes was 1438. There were 8 recruited baseball players whose SAT score averaged 1206; that's a 232 point difference. For the 14 other male athletes (non-baseball/basketball/football- so recruited lacrosse players are among the mix), the score was 1258. So that's a 183 point difference. Yes, football and basketball players had even lower average scores, 1063 and 997, respectively.

Can we assume that recruited female athletes are generally treated similarly to men's lacrosse recruits by admissions offices because they don't participate in any NCAA revenue sports?

Duke Class of 2007, there were 37 committed female athletes (among all sports) whose SAT scores averaged 1258 vs 1403 for 768 female non-athletes. That's a 145 point difference.

From 1994-1997, the average Stanford and Duke female athlete had average GPA of 3.87 and 3.51 and SAT score of 1151 and 1103, respectively. Those numbers are significantly below the historical averages for those schools 25 years ago.

These days, you have no shot in getting accepted by these top schools if you are 100 points below their averages unless you have a really strong hook. Even if you EXCEED the averages for these schools, they are ALL considered reaches for even the very best students. And if athletics is your kid's hook and that school's coach isn't interested in recruiting you, do you really think he has a realistic chance of being accepted as a regular applicant? So yes, being a recruited athlete is a tremendous admissions boost.


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stanford and Duke also basketball and football schools. Pretty sure majority of those lower athletic standards are going to those kids. Not the wealthy white kid from the suburbs with a house in the Hamptons.

Are we ready still discussing this?

The reality is, recruited athletes get in with lower grades than the general population and the better athletes can get in with lower grades than the average recruits.

Leave Football and Basketball out of the discussion.

I doesn’t matter if we are talking Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Duke, Hopkins, Northwestern etc….
The Athletes get in with lower academic credentials.
Anyone who does not know this is simply ignorant.

Can’t leave those sports out, any school with either program is giving those athletes the admission preference. Not the lacrosse player.

You leave those sports out because they do not compare to Lacrosse or any other non-revenue sport. Lacrosse Players do get admissions preference but you can not compare college football or Basketball to lacrosse at ND, Michigan, Penn State, Virginia, Maryland, OSU, NorthCarolina, Syracuse, Villanova, Richmond, UMass, Delaware, Stony Brook, Army, Navy, Air Force, Princeton, Yale, Harvard or any other Ivy. College Football Programs carry 120 plus players on the roster and their budgets far exceed any lacrosse budget.

Then don't use general terms like athletes, be specific in your argument. What are the statistics for lacrosse players on a lacrosse forum? Be specific.

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Just as background
Harvard has a 3.4% acceptance rate. The average SAT for admitted students is 1520-1540. An applicant with a 1600 SAT and 4.0 GPA only has a 10% probability of getting accepted.

So anyone who gets admitted to Harvard or any top school has basically won the lottery no matter how they got in.

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Just as background
Harvard has a 3.4% acceptance rate. The average SAT for admitted students is 1520-1540. An applicant with a 1600 SAT and 4.0 GPA only has a 10% probability of getting accepted.

So anyone who gets admitted to Harvard or any top school has basically won the lottery no matter how they got in.

Too bad most of those who couldn't get in with smarts usually flunk out.

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