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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
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You guys are really uninformed . Full athletic rides do happen , I can tell you UNC , USC , BC , all have players w 100 % cost of attendance scholarships and there are many other programs that have the same . How because these schools have many players that the school was an academic reach and have parents w money so they are willing to be happy with the help getting in .

The reality is that people (in the lacrosse world) never want to believe any player is better or more deserving than their daughter. So, if their daughter was offered 20% they do not want to believe that anyone is offered more than that. If a player is told that their daughter needs to have a 31 or better ACT to go to HYP they will never believe that another player might only need a 28 ACT. There is one joker that was posting on the boys side that actually believes that the boys going to The Academy's and The Ivy's all had the grades, he does not want to believe that the coaches can help all that much. Why? Because his kid probably had very good grades (not good enough to get into a top academic school on his own) but was not a high caliber lacrosse player (which the parent can't understand) so the coaches were not willing to help with admissions. Same goes for scholarships, every situation is different, not every player / recruit is equal, not everyone gets a trophy. I would never say never, "rare" is more likely. From what I have seen, most coaches will not decrease a scholarship but they will increase if they feel the player deserves it. The above poster is correct, for many in the lacrosse world the prize is getting their daughter into a prestigious school that she would not be able to get into on her own, It's not just The Ivy's, Obviously Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, ND, Boston College... and don't forget about Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Maryland.... It is not easy to get accepted to these State Schools from out of state. Not every kid has 95+ GPA, 30 SAT or 1300 SAT.... For many just getting in is great.

The real question is why do people care so much about what others are offered?


Agree. Also, there's a lack of appreciation in the comments for real financial need. It's not as if every lacrosse player has a wealthy family, despite the image of lacrosse. I know a number of players who have turned down spots at high rank schools because they were not the most coveted and therefore funded, and move onto a lower level team for more money. They end up being stars at their lower ranked schools too, where they were probably bench on top team.

Also, for those with a GAI of 150-180k. It can be better to take the financial aid than the scholarship. You can wind up getting 50% or more at Duke, Northwestern, Stanford. Coach will also throw in about 7% more

This is happening in the SEC too. Hoping that full amount that was referred to by Florida is beyond football! I think to give football players full amount, they will need to counterbalance with female athletes.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...with-significant-fallout-soon-to-follow/

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Football SEC huge revenue sport.

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You guys are really uninformed . Full athletic rides do happen , I can tell you UNC , USC , BC , all have players w 100 % cost of attendance scholarships and there are many other programs that have the same . How because these schools have many players that the school was an academic reach and have parents w money so they are willing to be happy with the help getting in .

The reality is that people (in the lacrosse world) never want to believe any player is better or more deserving than their daughter. So, if their daughter was offered 20% they do not want to believe that anyone is offered more than that. If a player is told that their daughter needs to have a 31 or better ACT to go to HYP they will never believe that another player might only need a 28 ACT. There is one joker that was posting on the boys side that actually believes that the boys going to The Academy's and The Ivy's all had the grades, he does not want to believe that the coaches can help all that much. Why? Because his kid probably had very good grades (not good enough to get into a top academic school on his own) but was not a high caliber lacrosse player (which the parent can't understand) so the coaches were not willing to help with admissions. Same goes for scholarships, every situation is different, not every player / recruit is equal, not everyone gets a trophy. I would never say never, "rare" is more likely. From what I have seen, most coaches will not decrease a scholarship but they will increase if they feel the player deserves it. The above poster is correct, for many in the lacrosse world the prize is getting their daughter into a prestigious school that she would not be able to get into on her own, It's not just The Ivy's, Obviously Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, ND, Boston College... and don't forget about Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Maryland.... It is not easy to get accepted to these State Schools from out of state. Not every kid has 95+ GPA, 30 SAT or 1300 SAT.... For many just getting in is great.

The real question is why do people care so much about what others are offered?


Agree. Also, there's a lack of appreciation in the comments for real financial need. It's not as if every lacrosse player has a wealthy family, despite the image of lacrosse. I know a number of players who have turned down spots at high rank schools because they were not the most coveted and therefore funded, and move onto a lower level team for more money. They end up being stars at their lower ranked schools too, where they were probably bench on top team.

Also, for those with a GAI of 150-180k. It can be better to take the financial aid than the scholarship. You can wind up getting 50% or more at Duke, Northwestern, Stanford. Coach will also throw in about 7% more

This is happening in the SEC too. Hoping that full amount that was referred to by Florida is beyond football! I think to give football players full amount, they will need to counterbalance with female athletes.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...with-significant-fallout-soon-to-follow/

Sorry but that's sooo discrimanatory - there are indegenous and poor, underprivileged kids that play lacrosse too. I don't see the woke crowd debating that ?

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You guys are really uninformed . Full athletic rides do happen , I can tell you UNC , USC , BC , all have players w 100 % cost of attendance scholarships and there are many other programs that have the same . How because these schools have many players that the school was an academic reach and have parents w money so they are willing to be happy with the help getting in .

The reality is that people (in the lacrosse world) never want to believe any player is better or more deserving than their daughter. So, if their daughter was offered 20% they do not want to believe that anyone is offered more than that. If a player is told that their daughter needs to have a 31 or better ACT to go to HYP they will never believe that another player might only need a 28 ACT. There is one joker that was posting on the boys side that actually believes that the boys going to The Academy's and The Ivy's all had the grades, he does not want to believe that the coaches can help all that much. Why? Because his kid probably had very good grades (not good enough to get into a top academic school on his own) but was not a high caliber lacrosse player (which the parent can't understand) so the coaches were not willing to help with admissions. Same goes for scholarships, every situation is different, not every player / recruit is equal, not everyone gets a trophy. I would never say never, "rare" is more likely. From what I have seen, most coaches will not decrease a scholarship but they will increase if they feel the player deserves it. The above poster is correct, for many in the lacrosse world the prize is getting their daughter into a prestigious school that she would not be able to get into on her own, It's not just The Ivy's, Obviously Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, ND, Boston College... and don't forget about Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Maryland.... It is not easy to get accepted to these State Schools from out of state. Not every kid has 95+ GPA, 30 SAT or 1300 SAT.... For many just getting in is great.

The real question is why do people care so much about what others are offered?


Agree. Also, there's a lack of appreciation in the comments for real financial need. It's not as if every lacrosse player has a wealthy family, despite the image of lacrosse. I know a number of players who have turned down spots at high rank schools because they were not the most coveted and therefore funded, and move onto a lower level team for more money. They end up being stars at their lower ranked schools too, where they were probably bench on top team.

Also, for those with a GAI of 150-180k. It can be better to take the financial aid than the scholarship. You can wind up getting 50% or more at Duke, Northwestern, Stanford. Coach will also throw in about 7% more

This is happening in the SEC too. Hoping that full amount that was referred to by Florida is beyond football! I think to give football players full amount, they will need to counterbalance with female athletes.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...with-significant-fallout-soon-to-follow/

Football… BCS 1A allows for something like 86 “Full” athletic scholarships that are Total Cost to attend, FCS 1AA allows approximately 66 Full - total cost to attend athletic scholarships. Pretty sure BCS can only offer Full scholarships, FCS may be able to offer partial.

The money they are talking about is in addition to the Full Athletic Scholarships.

The thought that Big Time Football needs to be counterbalanced with female spots is laughable, it’s almost insane. What would make you think such a thought?

At the Big Time Football schools (Florida, Penn State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC etc…) these programs generate hundreds of millions of dollars for the universities…, everyone is making money off the players…

Most other spots cost the school money, there is no comparison to Football or Men’s Basketball…. Nothing needs to be counterbalanced.

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You guys are really uninformed . Full athletic rides do happen , I can tell you UNC , USC , BC , all have players w 100 % cost of attendance scholarships and there are many other programs that have the same . How because these schools have many players that the school was an academic reach and have parents w money so they are willing to be happy with the help getting in .

The reality is that people (in the lacrosse world) never want to believe any player is better or more deserving than their daughter. So, if their daughter was offered 20% they do not want to believe that anyone is offered more than that. If a player is told that their daughter needs to have a 31 or better ACT to go to HYP they will never believe that another player might only need a 28 ACT. There is one joker that was posting on the boys side that actually believes that the boys going to The Academy's and The Ivy's all had the grades, he does not want to believe that the coaches can help all that much. Why? Because his kid probably had very good grades (not good enough to get into a top academic school on his own) but was not a high caliber lacrosse player (which the parent can't understand) so the coaches were not willing to help with admissions. Same goes for scholarships, every situation is different, not every player / recruit is equal, not everyone gets a trophy. I would never say never, "rare" is more likely. From what I have seen, most coaches will not decrease a scholarship but they will increase if they feel the player deserves it. The above poster is correct, for many in the lacrosse world the prize is getting their daughter into a prestigious school that she would not be able to get into on her own, It's not just The Ivy's, Obviously Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, ND, Boston College... and don't forget about Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Maryland.... It is not easy to get accepted to these State Schools from out of state. Not every kid has 95+ GPA, 30 SAT or 1300 SAT.... For many just getting in is great.

The real question is why do people care so much about what others are offered?


Agree. Also, there's a lack of appreciation in the comments for real financial need. It's not as if every lacrosse player has a wealthy family, despite the image of lacrosse. I know a number of players who have turned down spots at high rank schools because they were not the most coveted and therefore funded, and move onto a lower level team for more money. They end up being stars at their lower ranked schools too, where they were probably bench on top team.

Also, for those with a GAI of 150-180k. It can be better to take the financial aid than the scholarship. You can wind up getting 50% or more at Duke, Northwestern, Stanford. Coach will also throw in about 7% more

This is happening in the SEC too. Hoping that full amount that was referred to by Florida is beyond football! I think to give football players full amount, they will need to counterbalance with female athletes.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...with-significant-fallout-soon-to-follow/

Sorry but that's sooo discrimanatory - there are indegenous and poor, underprivileged kids that play lacrosse too. I don't see the woke crowd debating that ?

What in the world are you talking about? What is discriminatory ? Why are you bringing up Indegenous, poor, underprivileged kids?

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Are you actually comparing lacrosse to SEC football? There is zero comparison. Lacrosse is not a revenue sport for a college. In fact, usually the opposite. SEC football is a huge revenue maker for their colleges and frankly, for their towns. 90K+ attendees at most games. Top head coaches earn multi-millions. Many SEC schools have NFL level facilities and players travel by private plane. Many SEC football players enter the NFL draft and go on to play professionally. There isn’t anything remotely close in lacrosse. Professional lacrosse for both men and women’s teams can’t even make a profit and struggle for spectators. College lacrosse although growing will never rival college football…especially in the SEC!

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You guys are really uninformed . Full athletic rides do happen , I can tell you UNC , USC , BC , all have players w 100 % cost of attendance scholarships and there are many other programs that have the same . How because these schools have many players that the school was an academic reach and have parents w money so they are willing to be happy with the help getting in .

The reality is that people (in the lacrosse world) never want to believe any player is better or more deserving than their daughter. So, if their daughter was offered 20% they do not want to believe that anyone is offered more than that. If a player is told that their daughter needs to have a 31 or better ACT to go to HYP they will never believe that another player might only need a 28 ACT. There is one joker that was posting on the boys side that actually believes that the boys going to The Academy's and The Ivy's all had the grades, he does not want to believe that the coaches can help all that much. Why? Because his kid probably had very good grades (not good enough to get into a top academic school on his own) but was not a high caliber lacrosse player (which the parent can't understand) so the coaches were not willing to help with admissions. Same goes for scholarships, every situation is different, not every player / recruit is equal, not everyone gets a trophy. I would never say never, "rare" is more likely. From what I have seen, most coaches will not decrease a scholarship but they will increase if they feel the player deserves it. The above poster is correct, for many in the lacrosse world the prize is getting their daughter into a prestigious school that she would not be able to get into on her own, It's not just The Ivy's, Obviously Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, ND, Boston College... and don't forget about Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Maryland.... It is not easy to get accepted to these State Schools from out of state. Not every kid has 95+ GPA, 30 SAT or 1300 SAT.... For many just getting in is great.

The real question is why do people care so much about what others are offered?


Agree. Also, there's a lack of appreciation in the comments for real financial need. It's not as if every lacrosse player has a wealthy family, despite the image of lacrosse. I know a number of players who have turned down spots at high rank schools because they were not the most coveted and therefore funded, and move onto a lower level team for more money. They end up being stars at their lower ranked schools too, where they were probably bench on top team.

Also, for those with a GAI of 150-180k. It can be better to take the financial aid than the scholarship. You can wind up getting 50% or more at Duke, Northwestern, Stanford. Coach will also throw in about 7% more

This is happening in the SEC too. Hoping that full amount that was referred to by Florida is beyond football! I think to give football players full amount, they will need to counterbalance with female athletes.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...with-significant-fallout-soon-to-follow/[/quote]

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[quote=Anonymous]Are you actually comparing lacrosse to SEC football? There is zero comparison. Lacrosse is not a revenue sport for a college. In fact, usually the opposite. SEC football is a huge revenue maker for their colleges and frankly, for their towns. 90K+ attendees at most games. Top head coaches earn multi-millions. Many SEC schools have NFL level facilities and players travel by private plane. Many SEC football players enter the NFL draft and go on to play professionally. There isn’t anything remotely close in lacrosse. Professional lacrosse for both men and women’s teams can’t even make a profit and struggle for spectators. College lacrosse although growing will never rival college football…especially in the SEC!

Not comparing them at all. This information about the new SEC benefits was provided by the coaches to a player with an offer at Florida. Title 9 equal access an opportunity.

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Happy to see Clemson picking up some commits.... Good for them, great for the sport. More great opportunities for the young women.

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Happy to see Clemson picking up some commits.... Good for them, great for the sport. More great opportunities for the young women.

We all know the teams that finish in the Top 20 every year and the teams if they do not end in the Top 20 are right there....

What programs are on the rise? What program has the best chance to become a perennial Top 20 Team? Can Clemson get there quickly?

IMHO, Denver, Arizona State, Colorado, Dartmouth, Michigan, Rutgers and possibly Clemson have the best chance.

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Happy to see Clemson picking up some commits.... Good for them, great for the sport. More great opportunities for the young women.

Hopefully the performance of their football team doesn't hut the recruiting. Can't imagine going on an official visit there and watching them loose when that is the biggest draw of the school!

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This year is interesting but mostly more of the same. UNC will clearly be the best team again (yes I realize they lost to BC in the semis) followed more closely this season by BC . Cuse will round out the top 3 and then there is a bit of a gap in which you can insert multiple teams in no particular order such as NW, Duke, Princeton, MD, UVA, Loyolla, ND . The ACC will be the dominant conference again The interesting thing is I think UNC takes a small step back to the pack ,more so on the defensive side while I think BC may be a little better than they were last year overall. I think Stanford could take a step forward but they need to play some better out of conference games . I think SBU takes a big step backwards even with the best coach in the NCAA.

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This year is interesting but mostly more of the same. UNC will clearly be the best team again (yes I realize they lost to BC in the semis) followed more closely this season by BC . Cuse will round out the top 3 and then there is a bit of a gap in which you can insert multiple teams in no particular order such as NW, Duke, Princeton, MD, UVA, Loyolla, ND . The ACC will be the dominant conference again The interesting thing is I think UNC takes a small step back to the pack ,more so on the defensive side while I think BC may be a little better than they were last year overall. I think Stanford could take a step forward but they need to play some better out of conference games . I think SBU takes a big step backwards even with the best coach in the NCAA.

Don’t think Syracuse is a lock to be top 3 or in the Final Four. Loyola a notch below the other teams mentioned. Agree Northwestern, Princeton, Virginia, Maryland Duke, ND will fight it out to get in the Final Four along with Syracuse. Tournament Seeding will be critical, don’t want to have to play BC or UNC before The Final Four. Any other contenders or teams that can surprise? Michigan? Denver? USC? Rutgers?

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Happy to see Clemson picking up some commits.... Good for them, great for the sport. More great opportunities for the young women.

Hopefully the performance of their football team doesn't hut the recruiting. Can't imagine going on an official visit there and watching them loose when that is the biggest draw of the school!

Hopefully you don't pass you nasty attitude down to your kids. Can't imagine going through life as you.

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This year is interesting but mostly more of the same. UNC will clearly be the best team again (yes I realize they lost to BC in the semis) followed more closely this season by BC . Cuse will round out the top 3 and then there is a bit of a gap in which you can insert multiple teams in no particular order such as NW, Duke, Princeton, MD, UVA, Loyolla, ND . The ACC will be the dominant conference again The interesting thing is I think UNC takes a small step back to the pack ,more so on the defensive side while I think BC may be a little better than they were last year overall. I think Stanford could take a step forward but they need to play some better out of conference games . I think SBU takes a big step backwards even with the best coach in the NCAA.

Don’t think Syracuse is a lock to be top 3 or in the Final Four. Loyola a notch below the other teams mentioned. Agree Northwestern, Princeton, Virginia, Maryland Duke, ND will fight it out to get in the Final Four along with Syracuse. Tournament Seeding will be critical, don’t want to have to play BC or UNC before The Final Four. Any other contenders or teams that can surprise? Michigan? Denver? USC? Rutgers?

Florida?

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This year is interesting but mostly more of the same. UNC will clearly be the best team again (yes I realize they lost to BC in the semis) followed more closely this season by BC . Cuse will round out the top 3 and then there is a bit of a gap in which you can insert multiple teams in no particular order such as NW, Duke, Princeton, MD, UVA, Loyolla, ND . The ACC will be the dominant conference again The interesting thing is I think UNC takes a small step back to the pack ,more so on the defensive side while I think BC may be a little better than they were last year overall. I think Stanford could take a step forward but they need to play some better out of conference games . I think SBU takes a big step backwards even with the best coach in the NCAA.

Don’t think Syracuse is a lock to be top 3 or in the Final Four. Loyola a notch below the other teams mentioned. Agree Northwestern, Princeton, Virginia, Maryland Duke, ND will fight it out to get in the Final Four along with Syracuse. Tournament Seeding will be critical, don’t want to have to play BC or UNC before The Final Four. Any other contenders or teams that can surprise? Michigan? Denver? USC? Rutgers?

Florida?
Duke, Virginia, Rutgers, Michigan,Rutgers, USC, Denver, Princeton are NOT getting into the final four! No chance!

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