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Re: holdbacks
Anonymous #349546 09/13/21 04:20 PM
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You should use birth year, the entire year.
Jan 1 - December 31. So if you are born anytime in 2005 you are a 2024, etc.

That's not how it works. My son who was born spring 2005 is a 2023. He did not start school early, he is not playing up, he is on grade for his age and currently a junior in high school. Class of 2023 across the country is considered to be dob 9/1/2004 - 8/31/2005, give or take depending on exact cutoff for your state's public schools. Private schools move the goal posts to maintain a competitive edge. First it was having younger kids in the class (i.e. summer birthdays, especially boys) do a pre-K or pre-first year. Then affluent public school parents caught on and started doing the same thing, so private schools start holding back the spring and summer birthdays, and on it goes. Some of these kids then redshirt again before high school or by doing a PG year. To each his own, but parents should quit trying to normalize it to make themselves feel better. Most people understand the situation with kids who barely make the cutoff waiting a way to start K or 1st, but it's gone way beyond that. Sometimes kids do have opportunities to attend boarding school or do a gap year where redshirting makes sense, so not really fair to bash them all equally, but it is amazing seeing how much older many top rated lax players are than my own 2023.

Thank you for very clearly spelling that out for everyone! Private schools started all this by trying to gain an edge for their students. So true! It’s become a hot mess and it’s giving wealthy kids unfair advantages in the sport. It Should be addressed by the sport. Especially, as they say they are working to make it a more inclusive sport for all? It’s becoming more elitist everyday the way it is now.

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Anonymous #349567 09/13/21 05:52 PM
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You should use birth year, the entire year.
Jan 1 - December 31. So if you are born anytime in 2005 you are a 2024, etc.

That's not how it works. My son who was born spring 2005 is a 2023. He did not start school early, he is not playing up, he is on grade for his age and currently a junior in high school. Class of 2023 across the country is considered to be dob 9/1/2004 - 8/31/2005, give or take depending on exact cutoff for your state's public schools. Private schools move the goal posts to maintain a competitive edge. First it was having younger kids in the class (i.e. summer birthdays, especially boys) do a pre-K or pre-first year. Then affluent public school parents caught on and started doing the same thing, so private schools start holding back the spring and summer birthdays, and on it goes. Some of these kids then redshirt again before high school or by doing a PG year. To each his own, but parents should quit trying to normalize it to make themselves feel better. Most people understand the situation with kids who barely make the cutoff waiting a way to start K or 1st, but it's gone way beyond that. Sometimes kids do have opportunities to attend boarding school or do a gap year where redshirting makes sense, so not really fair to bash them all equally, but it is amazing seeing how much older many top rated lax players are than my own 2023.

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Birth year is easiest and is how many sports do it - including box in most cases.

The downside is that kids won't always get to play with their classmates.

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Anonymous #349575 09/13/21 08:24 PM
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You should use birth year, the entire year.
Jan 1 - December 31. So if you are born anytime in 2005 you are a 2024, etc.

That's not how it works. My son who was born spring 2005 is a 2023. He did not start school early, he is not playing up, he is on grade for his age and currently a junior in high school. Class of 2023 across the country is considered to be dob 9/1/2004 - 8/31/2005, give or take depending on exact cutoff for your state's public schools. Private schools move the goal posts to maintain a competitive edge. First it was having younger kids in the class (i.e. summer birthdays, especially boys) do a pre-K or pre-first year. Then affluent public school parents caught on and started doing the same thing, so private schools start holding back the spring and summer birthdays, and on it goes. Some of these kids then redshirt again before high school or by doing a PG year. To each his own, but parents should quit trying to normalize it to make themselves feel better. Most people understand the situation with kids who barely make the cutoff waiting a way to start K or 1st, but it's gone way beyond that. Sometimes kids do have opportunities to attend boarding school or do a gap year where redshirting makes sense, so not really fair to bash them all equally, but it is amazing seeing how much older many top rated lax players are than my own 2023.

Thank you for very clearly spelling that out for everyone! Private schools started all this by trying to gain an edge for their students. So true! It’s become a hot mess and it’s giving wealthy kids unfair advantages in the sport. It Should be addressed by the sport. Especially, as they say they are working to make it a more inclusive sport for all? It’s becoming more elitist everyday the way it is now.

Unfortunately Privates have been doing this for years. The only difference now then years ago, Lacrosse was age at youth and even by age for clubs. The Crabs years ago ( less than 10 years) had U15 and U13. Really good on age teams. No one really cared since youth was by age and HS was by grade. Frankly no one besides privates understood what I was talking about years ago when it came to prefirst .

Now with Clubs going grade, privates have upped the anti like the poster says above. All on age parents are saying WT?, how can this be fair at youth. And they are right.

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Anonymous #349576 09/13/21 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So was the alleged double holdback in question born before or after 9/1/03?

Confirmed before 9/1/03.

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So was the alleged double holdback in question born before or after 9/1/03?

Confirmed before 9/1/03.

Have no idea, but if he was born before that, he is one overage player for his grade. Summer 03 kids are in college now. WOW

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You should use birth year, the entire year.
Jan 1 - December 31. So if you are born anytime in 2005 you are a 2024, etc.

That's not how it works. My son who was born spring 2005 is a 2023. He did not start school early, he is not playing up, he is on grade for his age and currently a junior in high school. Class of 2023 across the country is considered to be dob 9/1/2004 - 8/31/2005, give or take depending on exact cutoff for your state's public schools. Private schools move the goal posts to maintain a competitive edge. First it was having younger kids in the class (i.e. summer birthdays, especially boys) do a pre-K or pre-first year. Then affluent public school parents caught on and started doing the same thing, so private schools start holding back the spring and summer birthdays, and on it goes. Some of these kids then redshirt again before high school or by doing a PG year. To each his own, but parents should quit trying to normalize it to make themselves feel better. Most people understand the situation with kids who barely make the cutoff waiting a way to start K or 1st, but it's gone way beyond that. Sometimes kids do have opportunities to attend boarding school or do a gap year where redshirting makes sense, so not really fair to bash them all equally, but it is amazing seeing how much older many top rated lax players are than my own 2023.

"Should"

Birth year is easiest and is how many sports do it - including box in most cases.

The downside is that kids won't always get to play with their classmates.

I have no issue with all kids born in 2005 play together, those born in 2006 play together, etc. Other sports do it and you're right, it's simpler. It does mean kids don't always play with their classmates, which I think parents care about more than their kids. It does not make a kid like mine a 2024, however, unless he is held back. Supposedly college coaches just can't manage if there are a mixture of grad years on a team...which is an excuse because they seemed to figure it out just fine for the 2022s still "playing up" with their 2021 team, for example.

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You should use birth year, the entire year.
Jan 1 - December 31. So if you are born anytime in 2005 you are a 2024, etc.

That's not how it works. My son who was born spring 2005 is a 2023. He did not start school early, he is not playing up, he is on grade for his age and currently a junior in high school. Class of 2023 across the country is considered to be dob 9/1/2004 - 8/31/2005, give or take depending on exact cutoff for your state's public schools. Private schools move the goal posts to maintain a competitive edge. First it was having younger kids in the class (i.e. summer birthdays, especially boys) do a pre-K or pre-first year. Then affluent public school parents caught on and started doing the same thing, so private schools start holding back the spring and summer birthdays, and on it goes. Some of these kids then redshirt again before high school or by doing a PG year. To each his own, but parents should quit trying to normalize it to make themselves feel better. Most people understand the situation with kids who barely make the cutoff waiting a way to start K or 1st, but it's gone way beyond that. Sometimes kids do have opportunities to attend boarding school or do a gap year where redshirting makes sense, so not really fair to bash them all equally, but it is amazing seeing how much older many top rated lax players are than my own 2023.

Thank you for very clearly spelling that out for everyone! Private schools started all this by trying to gain an edge for their students. So true! It’s become a hot mess and it’s giving wealthy kids unfair advantages in the sport. It Should be addressed by the sport. Especially, as they say they are working to make it a more inclusive sport for all? It’s becoming more elitist everyday the way it is now.

Unfortunately Privates have been doing this for years. The only difference now then years ago, Lacrosse was age at youth and even by age for clubs. The Crabs years ago ( less than 10 years) had U15 and U13. Really good on age teams. No one really cared since youth was by age and HS was by grade. Frankly no one besides privates understood what I was talking about years ago when it came to prefirst .

Now with Clubs going grade, privates have upped the anti like the poster says above. All on age parents are saying WT?, how can this be fair at youth. And they are right.

That's how it was when my oldest played - U13 and U15. He was younger for his age and had some private school kids on his team born within a month of him but a grade below. Club required they play with their age back then. Couple of the kids "playing up" then took a PG year after high school. My oldest is about to get his degree and they are now 21 year old sophomores in college. They were able to decommit and trade up to better lax programs, so I guess it paid off. The best of the best stand out even against older kids, but other players get pushed out if they don't reclass. Won't change until college coaches stop rewarding it.

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Anonymous #349603 09/14/21 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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You should use birth year, the entire year.
Jan 1 - December 31. So if you are born anytime in 2005 you are a 2024, etc.

That's not how it works. My son who was born spring 2005 is a 2023. He did not start school early, he is not playing up, he is on grade for his age and currently a junior in high school. Class of 2023 across the country is considered to be dob 9/1/2004 - 8/31/2005, give or take depending on exact cutoff for your state's public schools. Private schools move the goal posts to maintain a competitive edge. First it was having younger kids in the class (i.e. summer birthdays, especially boys) do a pre-K or pre-first year. Then affluent public school parents caught on and started doing the same thing, so private schools start holding back the spring and summer birthdays, and on it goes. Some of these kids then redshirt again before high school or by doing a PG year. To each his own, but parents should quit trying to normalize it to make themselves feel better. Most people understand the situation with kids who barely make the cutoff waiting a way to start K or 1st, but it's gone way beyond that. Sometimes kids do have opportunities to attend boarding school or do a gap year where redshirting makes sense, so not really fair to bash them all equally, but it is amazing seeing how much older many top rated lax players are than my own 2023.

Thank you for very clearly spelling that out for everyone! Private schools started all this by trying to gain an edge for their students. So true! It’s become a hot mess and it’s giving wealthy kids unfair advantages in the sport. It Should be addressed by the sport. Especially, as they say they are working to make it a more inclusive sport for all? It’s becoming more elitist everyday the way it is now.

Unfortunately Privates have been doing this for years. The only difference now then years ago, Lacrosse was age at youth and even by age for clubs. The Crabs years ago ( less than 10 years) had U15 and U13. Really good on age teams. No one really cared since youth was by age and HS was by grade. Frankly no one besides privates understood what I was talking about years ago when it came to prefirst .

Now with Clubs going grade, privates have upped the anti like the poster says above. All on age parents are saying WT?, how can this be fair at youth. And they are right.

That's how it was when my oldest played - U13 and U15. He was younger for his age and had some private school kids on his team born within a month of him but a grade below. Club required they play with their age back then. Couple of the kids "playing up" then took a PG year after high school. My oldest is about to get his degree and they are now 21 year old sophomores in college. They were able to decommit and trade up to better lax programs, so I guess it paid off. The best of the best stand out even against older kids, but other players get pushed out if they don't reclass. Won't change until college coaches stop rewarding it.

High school age “re-classing” and PG years, Is not going to change. It DOES get rewarded with more opportunities to play in college. However, it would be nice at the youth level, in the kids developing years if they were giving an even playing field. Younger kids are being pushed out by older kids on their youth teams/clubs. It Seems to be getting more and more prevalent and accepted. Need to change this to age based at the youth ages.

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Anonymous #350286 09/20/21 08:43 PM
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There is a 20 year old nfl player maybe your genes aren’t that great brotha

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Anonymous #350291 09/20/21 09:28 PM
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There is a 20 year old nfl player maybe your genes aren’t that great brotha

Did he go/finish college “brotha”? My genes say get yourself a good college education and that will serve you well in life! No matter when you graduate college 21. 22 , 23 and so on. A college degree is a college degree. No matter what age you achieve it!

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USL is addressing this. Expect the change in the next 2 years. All youth events will be phased into birth year.

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Anonymous #350422 09/21/21 11:07 PM
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If aged based won’t the kid born in January have a huge advantage over the kid born in Dec? The claim that soccer has ir right does not have a girl or boy playing on an elite soccer club team!!

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Lacrosse is an elitist sport! US Lacrosse does nothing to grow the sport and will not rectify this situation because they have no control.

Can someone answer this? Why are you required to have a US Lacrosse membership? I don’t want three of their useless magazines.

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Anonymous #350432 09/22/21 07:29 AM
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Lacrosse is an elitist sport! US Lacrosse does nothing to grow the sport and will not rectify this situation because they have no control.

Can someone answer this? Why are you required to have a US Lacrosse membership? I don’t want three of their useless magazines.

One of the reasons for your US Lacrosse membership is insurance purposes, to cover their sanctioned events in case of player injuries. Any injury that happens at one of their events is covered for two years under your US
lacrosse membership, all costs not covered by your regular health insurance.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an elitist sport! US Lacrosse does nothing to grow the sport and will not rectify this situation because they have no control.

Can someone answer this? Why are you required to have a US Lacrosse membership? I don’t want three of their useless magazines.
They offer supplemental insurance. They also offer insurance to tournaments and youth programs. These programs are very profitable, a lot of breakage.
https://www.usalacrosse.com/usa-lacrosse-insurance-program

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