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Re: Long Island Pride Lacrosse
CageSage #34986 07/03/13 11:37 AM
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this photographer has it pretty accurate however: all I can say is that as a parent watching the game,word of mouth has a way of making the story much bigger than it was. soon they will be saying viper lax hires pros to play for them. flat out silly!!! yes a bad penalty resulted in retaliation which resulted in a brawl & some parents rushing the field in an attempt to break it up. what was not said is the majority of parents stayed on the sideline hoping order would be restored which it was. only some parents went on the field to help.to point out fact the event escalated when one non viper parent in camouflage shorts chose to fight kids instead of break up the brawl. this made matters worse. a parent should never rush the field and certainly never assault a child. what has not been said is that most (80%) stayed on the sideline & those on the field tried to break things up because nobody wants their kid hurt.viper lacrosse is a great program and the jv kids will be a group of kids playing quality lax for years to come. when we played 3/4 & 5/6 and so on we had to deal with teams that seemed bigger than us at times but you learn to suck it up and just play to get better. these kids should not be labeled with these negative remarks for the choice few that did not act in a responsible way. we are not the red cup crew and we do not bring in kids form other districts to cheat & win meaningless tournaments. we are a not for profit organization organized for kids to play quality competitive lax . its for the kids. the viper kids are playing together for 5 years now and it shows in their quality lacrosse. they win some and loose some and from this parents perspective its usually the parents of some of these for profit boutique clubs paying $1800 for their child to play that get upset when a lesser known team like viper comes in and schools them. parents need to grow up and shut up and let the kids play.the kids should not get labeled unfairly

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CageSage #34988 07/03/13 11:59 AM
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Thank you for that, parents hitting kids is un acceptable and discusting, it was a viper player who was punched by a parent on the other team and a viper parent pulled this ADULT off of the player

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Re: Long Island Pride Lacrosse
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Dear Readers : After an internal review and discussion within the Bethpage Viper program, below you will find their formal statement.

Originally Posted by Statement from Bethpage Viper Representative
I am the volunteer business director for Viper Lacrosse. We appreciate the prior post (verified by Cagesage) of an independent observer who stated that some parents on both sides may have gotten out of control.

Here is our only stance- Viper encourages proper behavior both on and off the field-period.

All of the volunteer directors and all of the coaches try very, very hard to relay this message to all parents and players. At times, in heated play, it is sometimes hard for individuals, on both sides of play, to stay in control. Our rapidly growing program now has over 120 players with over 200 parents and guardians…as with all teams..out of the 300 plus outstanding individuals participating with Viper Lacrosse, sometimes we need to remind 1 -3 parents or players that this is a game....and it is simply unacceptable to get out of control. I assure all that we do not let any situation go forward unaddressed.

In very difficult economic times we give all families access to a low cost, high-quality program…in addition, we are a true non-profit with 100% volunteer directors and many of our senior coaches volunteer their time.…. we know that we are honoring this game.

I responded to this since Cagesage identified a reliable, independent witness …. I cannot and will not respond to any anonymous posts or anonymous slurs.

Finally, to families on both sides of play on all teams, please continue to encourage proper behavior at all times.

Thank you, GM-Volunteer Business Director-Viper Lacrosse

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What happened at the Pride Fest between the Viper Team and the Turf Island team was unfortunate. Its also unfortunate how parents react on the sidelines also. And you know the kids hear it on the field. My son who is a member of the 7/8 team played on Sat and against one team I heared parents yelling lay him out. Why would a parent say that? Is that what they teach kids these days. One of our kids took a cross check to the neck area and the parent was yelling nice hit while the kid was on the floor. Someone said are you serious and he was like he was going for the ball. It ws a legal hit. Someone else asked what if that was your kid and he went silent.Its crazy. I like physical play but thats uncalled for.
I heard about the story from several people about the cheap shot. I know I'm from Viper but I'm not in any way choosing sides. I wasn't there. I might be a little off. Correct me if I'm wrong. It was because the Viper kid won the face off and the Turf Island kid grabbed his stick then grabbed his legs. Their was no call at that point so the Viper kid slashed his head(That's uncalled for in any case) then the Turf Island wing ran across and jumped on the kids back and that's when the fighting and all [lacrosse] broke out. During the fighting I heard that a Turf Island parent was punching a 15 year old in the back of the head. At that point the parents started to fight.
I'm not sure what is happening to the kid that started the fight but I know that's not what we preach from our organization. Viper is an Non Profit organization that give kids who can't afford some of the other organization fees a place to play travel ball. I've had nothing but good experiences from my sons 3 years playing for them. So please don't bad mouth an organization if you don't know anything about them.
And the red solo cups are everywhere at Lacrosse Tournaments. Wake up and look around and you will realize its not just the Viper parents.

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Re: Long Island Pride Lacrosse
JP54LAX #35013 07/03/13 04:33 PM
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Is this the same Viper team that got caught with older kids at the Forsberg tournament last month?

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Re: Long Island Pride Lacrosse
Anonymous #35016 07/03/13 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this the same Viper team that got caught with older kids at the Forsberg tournament last month?


Actually the team that won the JV at Forsberg with 8th graders playing up.

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Anonymous #35017 07/03/13 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this the same Viper team that got caught with older kids at the Forsberg tournament last month?

Yes!

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Anonymous #35018 07/03/13 05:51 PM
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Is Turf Island going to be asked to post an explanation? Any cheap shot aside, it appears their boys started the fight and their parent(s) were the ones getting physical with the kids and other parents. What are the Turf Island directors doing about this? What are the repercussions for the one parent (and his son) who seems to have crossed well over the line?

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Anonymous #35019 07/03/13 06:41 PM
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It's the same team that was moved up by the Forseberg staff to the A bracket that knew the team had 2 10th graders and 2 8th graders. Yes that's the same team.

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Anonymous #35020 07/03/13 07:51 PM
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It's the same team that was moved up by the Forseberg staff to the A bracket that knew the team had 2 10th graders and 2 8th graders. Yes that's the same team.


Your son's HS team lost in a final to 8th graders? That's got to be embarrassing.

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Re: Long Island Pride Lacrosse
Anonymous #35021 07/03/13 08:30 PM
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Who cares the 8th graders played up... It goes by your oldest player... And if they qualify for that bracket...

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Is this the same Viper team that got caught with older kids at the Forsberg tournament last month?


Actually the team that won the JV at Forsberg with 8th graders playing up.

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Anonymous #35026 07/04/13 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares the 8th graders played up... It goes by your oldest player... And if they qualify for that bracket...

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Is this the same Viper team that got caught with older kids at the Forsberg tournament last month?


Actually the team that won the JV at Forsberg with 8th graders playing up.


That's funny. If you're still ranting a month later, you must have been a true lunatic on that car ride home! So, your kid's HS A team lost in an A bracket to a B level team playing up a bracket with 8th graders? And you actually feel the need to draw attention to this? What "great" JV squad managed to lose that game, so we know what tryouts to avoid in the coming months.

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Anonymous #35030 07/04/13 12:11 PM
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no skin in the game.. just sick of people saying my 8th graders played up... yeah with older boys... your supposed to if you choose to play with older boys.
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Who cares the 8th graders played up... It goes by your oldest player... And if they qualify for that bracket...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this the same Viper team that got caught with older kids at the Forsberg tournament last month?


Actually the team that won the JV at Forsberg with 8th graders playing up.


That's funny. If you're still ranting a month later, you must have been a true lunatic on that car ride home! So, your kid's HS A team lost in an A bracket to a B level team playing up a bracket with 8th graders? And you actually feel the need to draw attention to this? What "great" JV squad managed to lose that game, so we know what tryouts to avoid in the coming months.

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CageSage #35032 07/04/13 12:55 PM
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It's good to know that Viper has good intentions, but that isn't always enough. Viper was asked what are they going to do to remedy the bad behavior that has taken place over the last few weeks but as per the official statement it looks like a discussion is all that will take place. Is it possible that one of the problems could be one of the volunteer directors?Also, there are more than 1-3 bad apples in the organization, if that were the case it would be easy to remedy the situation via some type of suspension or by removing them from the organization completely. It should also be noted that almost every post by a Viper, no matter how even handed they try to be, ultimately ends up blaming the other guy. In my opinion It is quite obvious that there is a problem accepting responsibility for their own actions. The only thing that Viper can control is themselves. Needless to say I'm sure that there are many good people within the organization that are being lumped in with the bad eggs and it is unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's good to know that Viper has good intentions, but that isn't always enough. Viper was asked what are they going to do to remedy the bad behavior that has taken place over the last few weeks but as per the official statement it looks like a discussion is all that will take place.
The Bethpage Viper program representatives have spoken with BOTC in detail on this subject. What makes you think that you are entitled to any further explanation? If you want to know the details, e-mail us at cagesage@backofthecage.com with your phone number and we will call you and explain the entire remediation procedure in place.

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Is it possible that one of the problems could be one of the volunteer directors?
Give us your name and who you are challenging here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Also, there are more than 1-3 bad apples in the organization, if that were the case it would be easy to remedy the situation via some type of suspension or by removing them from the organization completely. It should also be noted that almost every post by a Viper, no matter how even handed they try to be, ultimately ends up blaming the other guy.
There has been no blame of the "other guy" and if that is how you interpretted the reports and accounts posted, you are clearly mistaken.

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In my opinion It is quite obvious that there is a problem accepting responsibility for their own actions.
Your anonymous opinion means absolutely ZERO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only thing that Viper can control is themselves. Needless to say I'm sure that there are many good people within the organization that are being lumped in with the bad eggs and it is unfortunate.
Yes, there are many standup individuals in the Viper organization.

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