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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
Anonymous #333282 06/08/21 10:29 AM
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Regarding the UA discussion and the quote: "In most cases, there is a direct correlation between the number of Under Armour All-Americans a team brings in and how competitive the team is."

My interpretation is the the person was trying to say that the programs that tend to bring in the most UA All-Americans tend to be the most competitive programs. I did not read it as would win the championship or win vs every team with less UA players.

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* "To put things in perspective... Someone defined Top DI schools as "Top 10 Ranked schools". If we look at the past 5 full seasons of play, 2015 - 2019 and look at the Final Rankings there were a total of 20 teams that were ranked in the Top 10. Below is the list of teams that finished in the Top 10 (also listed How many year the team finished in the top 20)

Maryland - 5x Top 10
North Carolina - 5X Top 10

Boston College - 4X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Princeton - 4X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Syracuse - 4X Top 10 (5X Top 20)

Northwestern - 3X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Florida - 3X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Stony Brook - 3X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Virginia - 2X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Penn - 1X Top 10 (5X Top 20)

I would say the above are Top 10 Programs as they have finished in the Top 10 and are also finish in the Top 20 every year.

The teams listed below have also finished in the Top 10 but seem to be less consistent as they do not always finish in the Top 20.

Penn State - 3X Top 10 (4X Top 20)
Notre Dame - 2X Top 10 (4X Top 20)

Loyola - 2X Top 10 (3X Top 20)
USC - 2X Top 10 (3X Top 20)
Navy - 2X Top 10 (3X Top 20)

Stanford - 1X Top 10 (3X Top 20)
JMU - 1X Top 10 "National Champion" (3X Top 20)
Duke - 1X Top 10 (2X Top 20)
Towson - 1X Top 10 (2X Top 20)
Denver - 1X Top 10 (2X Top 20)"*
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The most competitive programs bring in more talent than other schools. Whether they are UA All-Americans or not the vast majority of players who are offered a spot at the Top Programs are very very good players. When a non UA player walks in and starts or plays in every game as a freshmen at one of the top programs... Yes, they could have been on the UA team, I'm sure they were deserving.

From what I can tell, it looks like there is definitely some correlation .... it looks like the programs that consistently out perform 85 - 90% of the programs every year and are consistently in the Top 10 or Top 20 are mostly the teams that bring in the most UA players. 7 of those top 10 programs are also in the top 10 with UA players.

That said, the real correlation is between how many "legit players" a program brings in and how competitive the program is. There are great players who do not make UA and there are great players that do make UA...
The thing most of them have in common is that they go to the best programs.

Rarely if ever do programs not listed above challenge to be a Top 10 or even top 20 team. The common denominator is talent. The top teams simply have more talent. Combine talent with good or great coaching and you have a chance to win a championship. There will always be deserving players who do not get selected because there are a limited number of spots “44”. Position plays a role as well, a player could be one of the Top 10 goalies if they only take 4 the player is out of luck.... same goes for the other positions.

The original post did not try to disparage players who are not selected, it only pointed out that many of the players that did make it were very good players. Pretty sure the reason for the post was to combat the many posts over the years that have been critical of UA.

It has been said on here many times, “the only list that really matters is the college coaches lists.” Some players fall through the cracks but for the most part the top programs appear to consistently identify the top talent.

Rational people realize that there are more than 44 exceptional seniors.

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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

A program like Syracuse, in my opinion, will hire a proven head coach, I doubt that whom ever they hire that this will be their first HC job.
Albany HC was star at SU
Wagner HC was star at SU
Pat Mcabe was a star at SU coached Adelphi womens to several Nat Championships

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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

A program like Syracuse, in my opinion, will hire a proven head coach, I doubt that whom ever they hire that this will be their first HC job.
Albany HC was star at SU
Wagner HC was star at SU
Pat Mcabe was a star at SU coached Adelphi womens to several Nat Championships
When Gait came in, he had been the Assistant coach at MD.

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Anonymous #333423 06/09/21 11:33 AM
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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

A program like Syracuse, in my opinion, will hire a proven head coach, I doubt that whom ever they hire that this will be their first HC job.
Albany HC was star at SU
Wagner HC was star at SU
Pat Mcabe was a star at SU coached Adelphi womens to several Nat Championships
When Gait came in, he had been the Assistant coach at MD.

All I know it would be hard for any coach to turndown an ACC HC role. I think Spallina would win a National title there.

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Anonymous #333442 06/09/21 12:20 PM
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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

A program like Syracuse, in my opinion, will hire a proven head coach, I doubt that whom ever they hire that this will be their first HC job.
Albany HC was star at SU
Wagner HC was star at SU
Pat Mcabe was a star at SU coached Adelphi womens to several Nat Championships
When Gait came in, he had been the Assistant coach at MD.

The Syracuse women's program did not have much history at all when Gary took over. It's a completely different situation now taking over the program he built.

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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

A program like Syracuse, in my opinion, will hire a proven head coach, I doubt that whom ever they hire that this will be their first HC job.
Albany HC was star at SU
Wagner HC was star at SU
Pat Mcabe was a star at SU coached Adelphi womens to several Nat Championships
When Gait came in, he had been the Assistant coach at MD.

The Syracuse women's program did not have much history at all when Gary took over. It's a completely different situation now taking over the program he built.

For the women sake, I hope Spallina doesn't end up there. To go from Gait to Spallina is heartbreaking.

"I have a big ego because I'm the best lacrosse player the world has ever seen."

"I have a big ego because I'm small and never made much of myself in sports. But I tan a lot and take a look at how white my teeth are."

Very different people.

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Anonymous #333495 06/09/21 07:31 PM
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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

A program like Syracuse, in my opinion, will hire a proven head coach, I doubt that whom ever they hire that this will be their first HC job.
Albany HC was star at SU
Wagner HC was star at SU
Pat Mcabe was a star at SU coached Adelphi womens to several Nat Championships
When Gait came in, he had been the Assistant coach at MD.

The Syracuse women's program did not have much history at all when Gary took over. It's a completely different situation now taking over the program he built.

For the women sake, I hope Spallina doesn't end up there. To go from Gait to Spallina is heartbreaking.

"I have a big ego because I'm the best lacrosse player the world has ever seen."

"I have a big ego because I'm small and never made much of myself in sports. But I tan a lot and take a look at how white my teeth are."

Very different people.

He might go there to keep an eye on his superstar son, he also has a few other kids that are low-level recruits that he may be able to pull some strings for.

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Anonymous #333526 06/10/21 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Will Joe Spallina go to Syracuse!?

Just read an article that said SU offered job to SU Alum / BC Assistant Coach but she turned it down... anything is possible but there are some additional SU Alumni that are probably being considered. IMHO JS would be a great hire.

A program like Syracuse, in my opinion, will hire a proven head coach, I doubt that whom ever they hire that this will be their first HC job.
Albany HC was star at SU
Wagner HC was star at SU
Pat Mcabe was a star at SU coached Adelphi womens to several Nat Championships
When Gait came in, he had been the Assistant coach at MD.

All I know it would be hard for any coach to turndown an ACC HC role. I think Spallina would win a National title there.

Would have to agree seeing success with SB with lesser talent I think he would get SYR over the top

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Anonymous #333527 06/10/21 12:33 AM
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Regarding the UA discussion and the quote: "In most cases, there is a direct correlation between the number of Under Armour All-Americans a team brings in and how competitive the team is."

My interpretation is the the person was trying to say that the programs that tend to bring in the most UA All-Americans tend to be the most competitive programs. I did not read it as would win the championship or win vs every team with less UA players.

below is Copied from another discussion

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* "To put things in perspective... Someone defined Top DI schools as "Top 10 Ranked schools". If we look at the past 5 full seasons of play, 2015 - 2019 and look at the Final Rankings there were a total of 20 teams that were ranked in the Top 10. Below is the list of teams that finished in the Top 10 (also listed How many year the team finished in the top 20)

Maryland - 5x Top 10
North Carolina - 5X Top 10

Boston College - 4X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Princeton - 4X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Syracuse - 4X Top 10 (5X Top 20)

Northwestern - 3X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Florida - 3X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Stony Brook - 3X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Virginia - 2X Top 10 (5X Top 20)
Penn - 1X Top 10 (5X Top 20)

I would say the above are Top 10 Programs as they have finished in the Top 10 and are also finish in the Top 20 every year.

The teams listed below have also finished in the Top 10 but seem to be less consistent as they do not always finish in the Top 20.

Penn State - 3X Top 10 (4X Top 20)
Notre Dame - 2X Top 10 (4X Top 20)

Loyola - 2X Top 10 (3X Top 20)
USC - 2X Top 10 (3X Top 20)
Navy - 2X Top 10 (3X Top 20)

Stanford - 1X Top 10 (3X Top 20)
JMU - 1X Top 10 "National Champion" (3X Top 20)
Duke - 1X Top 10 (2X Top 20)
Towson - 1X Top 10 (2X Top 20)
Denver - 1X Top 10 (2X Top 20)"*
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The most competitive programs bring in more talent than other schools. Whether they are UA All-Americans or not the vast majority of players who are offered a spot at the Top Programs are very very good players. When a non UA player walks in and starts or plays in every game as a freshmen at one of the top programs... Yes, they could have been on the UA team, I'm sure they were deserving.

From what I can tell, it looks like there is definitely some correlation .... it looks like the programs that consistently out perform 85 - 90% of the programs every year and are consistently in the Top 10 or Top 20 are mostly the teams that bring in the most UA players. 7 of those top 10 programs are also in the top 10 with UA players.

That said, the real correlation is between how many "legit players" a program brings in and how competitive the program is. There are great players who do not make UA and there are great players that do make UA...
The thing most of them have in common is that they go to the best programs.

Rarely if ever do programs not listed above challenge to be a Top 10 or even top 20 team. The common denominator is talent. The top teams simply have more talent. Combine talent with good or great coaching and you have a chance to win a championship. There will always be deserving players who do not get selected because there are a limited number of spots “44”. Position plays a role as well, a player could be one of the Top 10 goalies if they only take 4 the player is out of luck.... same goes for the other positions.

The original post did not try to disparage players who are not selected, it only pointed out that many of the players that did make it were very good players. Pretty sure the reason for the post was to combat the many posts over the years that have been critical of UA.

It has been said on here many times, “the only list that really matters is the college coaches lists.” Some players fall through the cracks but for the most part the top programs appear to consistently identify the top talent.

Rational people realize that there are more than 44 exceptional seniors.

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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
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Syracuse needs to drop out of the top 5. Northwestern is the clear #2 and might be number one. NW has the best player in the country, UNC has the next 2. Big drop off after that.

This didn’t age well now did it?????


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Izzy Scane or Jamie Ortega get it. Nobody else close
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Exciting to see Clemson add lacrosse in the ACC!

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