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Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
BOTCUser34 #329420 05/09/21 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BOTCUser34
The head to head tiebreaker would be thrown out since MadLax beat DC Express, Crabs beat MadLax, and DC Express beat Crabs. DC Express would be in based on the win against Annapolis Hawks. I believe this will all come down to GA (since win % of opponents beaten would be the same/along with win percentage of all opponents), which MadLax would have the edge in. Thus Crabs will be on the outside looking in (crazy to think, had they scored that goal in OT this weekend that they'd be the #2 seed.....and now they are the #6.)

That is incorrect and not how tie breakers work with multiple teams Madlax Dad. With all 3 teams tied, it goes to the first TB that breaks the tie. Then since ML and Crabs are still tied, the TB's start over at TB #1 (still tied) and then move to TB#2, which is the H2H and thus ML is out and Crabs are in.

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Anonymous #329430 05/09/21 10:07 PM
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Not a MadLax Dad my man. And it is exactly how tiebreakers should work. The head to head is not relevant since all three teams have beaten each other. (DC over Crabs, ML over DC, and Crabs over DC.). You then move on to the next set of tiebreakers which is how Dc Express gets the 4th spot.

You cannot then go back to head to head for Crabs and MadLax since you’ve already passed that tiebreaker level. Crabs and MadLax (I’m assuming) have the same win percentage over the teams they’ve beaten, and obviously have played all the same teams, thus you go to goals allowed. That’s where ML has the advantage.

Honestly if they do it any other way, it’s incorrect.

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Anonymous #329433 05/09/21 10:25 PM
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Has anyone actually heard from the league? I heard at a different event this morning from Madlax parents who thought they were playing Crabs and from Express parents who definitely thought they had a spot.

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Anonymous #329458 05/10/21 08:19 AM
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Not a MadLax Dad my man. And it is exactly how tiebreakers should work. The head to head is not relevant since all three teams have beaten each other. (DC over Crabs, ML over DC, and Crabs over DC.). You then move on to the next set of tiebreakers which is how Dc Express gets the 4th spot.

You cannot then go back to head to head for Crabs and MadLax since you’ve already passed that tiebreaker level. Crabs and MadLax (I’m assuming) have the same win percentage over the teams they’ve beaten, and obviously have played all the same teams, thus you go to goals allowed. That’s where ML has the advantage.

Honestly if they do it any other way, it’s incorrect.

Ok smart guy, if you get to the coin flip with all 3 teams still tied, do you have a 3 sided coin to break the tie?

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TheBackOfTheCage #329472 05/10/21 08:46 AM
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Crabs are out. DCE 4 seed will play ML 5 seed, as a play in game on Friday. Winner to advance to play Team 91 Saturday. Hawks and NL play to advance to championship game. Good luck to all. heck of a division.

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Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
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Not smart, just correct. Like I mentioned, I have no dog in this fight....no affiliation with any of the 3 teams. You just follow the 'tiebreaker process' to determine 4, 5, and 6.

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TheBackOfTheCage #329491 05/10/21 09:35 AM
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Is anyone running a Madlax roster check to see how many kids they are flying in from Texas?

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Anonymous #329496 05/10/21 09:47 AM
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If dc is in because they beat hawks then that would leave ML and crabs left. Wouldn’t crabs be in because they beat ML?

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Anonymous #329543 05/10/21 11:56 AM
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If dc is in because they beat hawks then that would leave ML and crabs left. Wouldn’t crabs be in because they beat ML?

That tie breaker doesn't work because they all beat one of the others. So all head to head match ups for those 3 teams cannot be a factor. They have to move on to the next criteria. Express is the only one of the 3 teams that beat a team with a winning record (Hawks) so that factors in for the second tie breaker - that's why they get the 4th spot.

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Anonymous #329556 05/10/21 12:47 PM
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If dc is in because they beat hawks then that would leave ML and crabs left. Wouldn’t crabs be in because they beat ML?

That tie breaker doesn't work because they all beat one of the others. So all head to head match ups for those 3 teams cannot be a factor. They have to move on to the next criteria. Express is the only one of the 3 teams that beat a team with a winning record (Hawks) so that factors in for the second tie breaker - that's why they get the 4th spot.

That DCE beating Hawks is not a TB criteria. From GHCLC By-Laws:

Tie Breaking-End of season tie breaker procedures
1.Record/Winning percentage
2.Head to Head
3.Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
4.Total winning percentage of all your opponents
5.Total goals scored against
6.Coin Toss/Card Draw

There are no guidelines either in the Game Play Rules or By-Laws as to how to apply these procedures. Some leagues use these for 2-way ties (only between two teams), and in the case of 3-way ties (3 or more teams), the criteria is applied until the tie is broken and if two or more teams are still tied the process reverts to the 1st criteria and is followed again until all ties are broken. In the case of 2025 Elite, TB Criteria #1 is N/A since DCE, Crabs, and Madlax are all 0.500. TB Criteria #2 is N/A because DCE beat Crabs, Crabs beat Madlax and Madlax beat DCE. In TB Criteria #3, DCE has a winning % of 1.375 (wins vs. Hawks, Crabs, FCA, and Looneys). Crabs and Madlax have a winning % of 1.125 (Crabs have wins vs Madlax, True, FCA, Looney's) (Madlax has wins vs DCE, True, FCA, Looney's). So DCE earns the #4 seed based on TB#3. If the process then reverts to TB #1 because Crabs and Madlax are still tied, Crabs would earn the #5 seed because they have the TB#2 H2H win vs Madlax. If the process continues to TB #4 Crabs and Madlax are still tied. At TB#5 Madlax would earn the #5 seed because they have fewer goals scored against (69) than Crabs (77).

So it depends on how the league applies the tie breaking procedures.

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Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous #329565 05/10/21 01:29 PM
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Is anyone running a Madlax roster check to see how many kids they are flying in from Texas?

At least some of the TX kids are already on the ML roster. I would guess though that the TX kids are not flying in for HoCo, not even for the playoff games.

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Anonymous #329566 05/10/21 01:41 PM
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Crabs are in at the #5 seed over ML it is official.

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Anonymous #329572 05/10/21 01:56 PM
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Heard from a reliable source they are bringing in at lease 1 TX kid.

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Anonymous #329578 05/10/21 02:10 PM
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I don’t know who u heard that from but you sources are wrong. Fact check them next time brother

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Anonymous #329582 05/10/21 02:52 PM
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I don’t know who u heard that from but you sources are wrong. Fact check them next time brother

Why does it matter? Whoever makes the playoffs will certainly bow out to 91 on Saturday anyways...

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