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Re: Boys 2025 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
TheBackOfTheCage #328779 05/03/21 05:37 PM
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DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

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DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

This is just absurd. Yes, Black is not doing well. Part of that is due to some injuries and part of that is just a testament to how strong the Elite Division is. And yes, Orange is doing very well. They are very talented for the AA Division. But they would be doing as poorly as Looney’s if they played in the Elite. It’s just not the same level of lacrosse in Elite as it is in AA.

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Anonymous #328804 05/03/21 09:54 PM
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2025 Elite Division Standings & Games (5/2-3)

Saturday
Team 91: 12 vs Next Level: 3
True: 9 vs DC Express: 4
Hawks: 11 vs Madlax: 10
FCA: 18 vs Looney's: 7

Sunday
Madlax: 3 vs DC Express: 2
Next Level: 10 vs True: 8 

Standings
 Team 91 7:0 - Playoff Lock
 Next Level Blue 5:2 - Playoff Lock
 Crabs 4:3 - TBD
 Annapolis Hawks Green 4:3 - TBD
 True Annapolis Green 3:3 - TBD
Madlax Capital 3:4 - TBD
 DC Express Black 3:4 - TBD  
 FCA 2:5 - Out
 Looney's 0:7 - Out

Some of the TBDs are long shots but I think there is still a chance

Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

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Anonymous #328845 05/04/21 09:26 AM
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Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.

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Anonymous #328863 05/04/21 10:39 AM
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Incorrect, Hawks beat Crabs. But this scenario would come down to goals against and would probably end up in the Hawks favor as well. But there are many other scenarios that could come down to teams missing out on playoffs due to total goals against. Hawks and Crabs are in trouble if they both lose and DCE wins.

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Anonymous #328886 05/04/21 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.

That is a very interesting scenario. If that does play out, Hawks, Crabs, True, ML, and DCE would all be tied at 4-4. Going through the tiebreakers, it would come down to #5 Total Goals Scored Against or #6 Coin Flip to determine final standings and playoff seeding. Could make for some very high scoring affairs this weekend.

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Anonymous #328890 05/04/21 12:03 PM
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Incorrect, Hawks beat Crabs. But this scenario would come down to goals against and would probably end up in the Hawks favor as well. But there are many other scenarios that could come down to teams missing out on playoffs due to total goals against. Hawks and Crabs are in trouble if they both lose and DCE wins.


Hawks are 3rd in Total GA, but True has 2 games this weekend, including 91 which is likely to blow that GA.

True - 44
DCE - 47
Hawks - 61
Madlax - 62
Crabs - 71

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Anonymous #328892 05/04/21 12:12 PM
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Predictions for this coming week:

91 over True
Crabs over NL
ML over Looney's
DCE over FCA
AH over True

Playoff Seeding

#1 91
#2 NL*
#3 Crabs*
#4 Hawks*
#5 Madlax

*Note: NL, Crabs & Hawks projected finish with same records. Using GHCLC Tie Breaking Procedures (1. Record/Winning percentage, 2. Head to Head, 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten, 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents, 5. Total goals scored against, 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw) Head-to-Head results would be NL beat Hawks, Hawks beat Crabs, and Crabs beat NL. Using #3 (Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten) NL = 2.000, Crabs = 1.750, and Hawks 1.750. Then reverting back to #2 (H2H), Crabs beat Hawks.

Assuming a play-in game #4 Hawks would play #5 Madlax. Then #1 91 plays winner of #4 vs #5, and #2 NL plays #3 Crabs.

But...
if NL beats Crabs and True beats Hawks (both very possible) then it's total mayhem with 4 (maybe 5) teams at 4-4 and True & Express back in the mix. It's a super competitive league and has been fun to watch this season. Those middle 7 teams are all very well matched and having tough competition helps them all.

Looking at the AAA stats it looks like Cannons should have played elite too.

While possible, its unlikely. Using the Colley Matrix algorthim (uses wins and strength of schedule) and current records, the team rankings (and Colley score) are:

#1 : Team 91 (0.855)
#2 : Next Level (0.646)
#3 : Hawks (0.555)
#4 : Crabs (0.535)
#5 : Madlax (0.485)
#6 : DC Express (0.465)
#7 : True Annapolis (0.455)
#8 : FCA (0.354)
#9 : Looney's (0.152)

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Anonymous #328962 05/04/21 06:27 PM
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DC Express Black is not doing well! Not sure if they are paying attention, but their Orange team should be in the Elite division instead. Maybe that was the plan all along! Unstoppable offense! Middies are best in class, and couple of attacks are really dominating. Way to go Orange!

This is just absurd. Yes, Black is not doing well. Part of that is due to some injuries and part of that is just a testament to how strong the Elite Division is. And yes, Orange is doing very well. They are very talented for the AA Division. But they would be doing as poorly as Looney’s if they played in the Elite. It’s just not the same level of lacrosse in Elite as it is in AA.

Cool your jets Top Gun. I guess the Chardonnay was hitting just right on a Monday night MOM. You are going to go on here and blast the Black team...the same club as Orange...a majority of young men that are friends with each other!?!? I guess little Timmy didn't make the Black team so you feel the need to take a cheap shot from behind your keyboard? Maybe little Timmy should hit the wall! Yes, Orange is doing well. Yes, Orange should be competing in AAA. Orange hasn't won any championship and still has work to do...so chill out. With that said...Orange wants to play Looney's asap!

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TheBackOfTheCage #328993 Yesterday at 01:58 AM
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I am curious why MadLax 2025 isn't doing well. Ranked as the #1 team in the country and they're 3-4 in HoCo?

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Anonymous #329020 Yesterday at 09:15 AM
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I am curious why MadLax 2025 isn't doing well. Ranked as the #1 team in the country and they're 3-4 in HoCo?

Nice try troll. Madlax is not #1 for the reason you write about. Everyone knows who the #1 team in the country is, and they've beat ML the previous two outings.

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MadLax has different rosters based on what season it is. In the Summer, they will have tournament teams which will have boys from outside the area (on the 2025 team, 4-5 boys from TX will run with them.) The TX players and potentially others do not play with them during the HOCO season. That being said, they have not been ranked #1 for awhile now, but a top tier club with or without the out of area kids.

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TheBackOfTheCage #329077 Yesterday at 01:13 PM
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Thanks for the answer about Madlax. I am not the PP and not a troll, and was wondering the same thing - how a team in the national discussion would have a losing record in a local league. I knew they added Texas kids for summer tournaments but did not realize how big the impact.

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I would not characterize HOCO as 'just a local league.' Every team in that Elite division can play with, if not be favored to beat any out of area team. I am biased, but it has to be the most competitive league out there (I am sure some of the LI folks would disagree, and they would be the only ones that could even make a case.) Add 3-5 elite players to any team and it can make a huge difference. I would argue that at least 5 teams if not more should be listed as 5 of the top 10-15 (and probably 7 in the top 20) teams in the country. ie: FCA has not had a successful season by wins and losses but the talent that team has is excellent and they can beat any team in the country if on their game (coming from a non-FCA affiliated person)

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BOTCUser34 #329088 Yesterday at 02:24 PM
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No detest to you But fca does not have what It takes to be great. I strongly disagree with you when you said fca could be anyone in the country when they are playing their best

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