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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
Anonymous #327377 04/19/21 11:29 AM
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CN is the most dynamic and dominant player playing in the toughest conference. She plays the game at a different level than everyone else. That is obvious. She is also an elite draw specialist - perhaps the best in the country. Scane is a great offensive talent as well but its hard to say that she is not stat padding at all when she shoots 13 times per game and the average margin of victory for NW this year is 10 goals. Their games are pretty much over in the first 15 minutes of each game.

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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
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People on this thread are funny. Team record doesn’t matter. Player stats don’t matter. It’s “well I watch games” and then some whining diatribe about “the conference is the best” or “teammates don’t like the player”. Sorry.... record and stats matter. If they didn’t why play the games. I get that people have an agenda but the excuses never stop.

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Anonymous #327382 04/19/21 11:44 AM
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People on this thread are funny. Team record doesn’t matter. Player stats don’t matter. It’s “well I watch games” and then some whining diatribe about “the conference is the best” or “teammates don’t like the player”. Sorry.... record and stats matter. If they didn’t why play the games. I get that people have an agenda but the excuses never stop.


I guess that you would agree with the rankings below...

A teams record is absolutely a very good indicator of how teams compare.


4/19/21 - Top 30


1 - North Carolina: 14 - 0

2 - Northwestern: 11 - 0

3 - Stanford: 8 - 0

4 - Jacksonville: 6 - 0

5 - Boston College: 11 - 1

6 - Syracuse: 11 - 1

7 - Drexel: 10 - 1

8 - Denver: 10 - 1

9 - Fairfield: 8 - 1

10 - Richmond: 8 - 1

11 - Elon: 8 - 1

12 - Mt. St Mary's: 11 - 2

13 - UMass: 11 - 2

14 - Florida: 11 - 2

15 - Robert Morris: 10 - 2

16 - Davidson: 10 - 2

17 - LIU: 9 - 2

18 - Loyola: 8 - 2

19 - Monmouth: 7 - 2

20 - Stony Brook: 7 - 2

21 - Siena: 6 - 2

22 - Temple: 10 - 3

23 - Furman: 9 - 3

24 - Lehigh: 6 - 3

25 - Navy: 6 - 3

26 - Niagra: 5 - 3

27 - Duquesne: 4 - 3

28 - Vanderbilt: 11 - 4

29 - Arizona St: 8 - 4

30 - Towson: 8 - 4

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
CN is the most dynamic and dominant player playing in the toughest conference. She plays the game at a different level than everyone else. That is obvious. She is also an elite draw specialist - perhaps the best in the country. Scane is a great offensive talent as well but its hard to say that she is not stat padding at all when she shoots 13 times per game and the average margin of victory for NW this year is 10 goals. Their games are pretty much over in the first 15 minutes of each game.

Agree, it’s a two horse race. The Player whose team goes the furthest in the tournament will have an advantage.

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Anonymous #327427 04/19/21 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
People on this thread are funny. Team record doesn’t matter. Player stats don’t matter. It’s “well I watch games” and then some whining diatribe about “the conference is the best” or “teammates don’t like the player”. Sorry.... record and stats matter. If they didn’t why play the games. I get that people have an agenda but the excuses never stop.


I guess that you would agree with the rankings below...

A teams record is absolutely a very good indicator of how teams compare.


4/19/21 - Top 30


1 - North Carolina: 14 - 0

2 - Northwestern: 11 - 0

3 - Stanford: 8 - 0

4 - Jacksonville: 6 - 0

5 - Boston College: 11 - 1

6 - Syracuse: 11 - 1

7 - Drexel: 10 - 1

8 - Denver: 10 - 1

9 - Fairfield: 8 - 1

10 - Richmond: 8 - 1

11 - Elon: 8 - 1

12 - Mt. St Mary's: 11 - 2

13 - UMass: 11 - 2

14 - Florida: 11 - 2

15 - Robert Morris: 10 - 2

16 - Davidson: 10 - 2

17 - LIU: 9 - 2

18 - Loyola: 8 - 2

19 - Monmouth: 7 - 2

20 - Stony Brook: 7 - 2

21 - Siena: 6 - 2

22 - Temple: 10 - 3

23 - Furman: 9 - 3

24 - Lehigh: 6 - 3

25 - Navy: 6 - 3

26 - Niagra: 5 - 3

27 - Duquesne: 4 - 3

28 - Vanderbilt: 11 - 4

29 - Arizona St: 8 - 4

30 - Towson: 8 - 4


Obviously we will see in a few weeks. That’s why they PLAY the tournament games. Until then speculation is fun but still just speculation.

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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
Anonymous #327432 04/19/21 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
People on this thread are funny. Team record doesn’t matter. Player stats don’t matter. It’s “well I watch games” and then some whining diatribe about “the conference is the best” or “teammates don’t like the player”. Sorry.... record and stats matter. If they didn’t why play the games. I get that people have an agenda but the excuses never stop.


I guess that you would agree with the rankings below...

A teams record is absolutely a very good indicator of how teams compare.


4/19/21 - Top 30


1 - North Carolina: 14 - 0

2 - Northwestern: 11 - 0

3 - Stanford: 8 - 0

4 - Jacksonville: 6 - 0

5 - Boston College: 11 - 1

6 - Syracuse: 11 - 1

7 - Drexel: 10 - 1

8 - Denver: 10 - 1

9 - Fairfield: 8 - 1

10 - Richmond: 8 - 1

11 - Elon: 8 - 1

12 - Mt. St Mary's: 11 - 2

13 - UMass: 11 - 2

14 - Florida: 11 - 2

15 - Robert Morris: 10 - 2

16 - Davidson: 10 - 2

17 - LIU: 9 - 2

18 - Loyola: 8 - 2

19 - Monmouth: 7 - 2

20 - Stony Brook: 7 - 2

21 - Siena: 6 - 2

22 - Temple: 10 - 3

23 - Furman: 9 - 3

24 - Lehigh: 6 - 3

25 - Navy: 6 - 3

26 - Niagra: 5 - 3

27 - Duquesne: 4 - 3

28 - Vanderbilt: 11 - 4

29 - Arizona St: 8 - 4

30 - Towson: 8 - 4


Obviously we will see in a few weeks. That’s why they PLAY the tournament games. Until then speculation is fun but still just speculation.

I don’t think they are speculating, I believe they are making the point that a teams record is not necessarily a very good barometer for ranking teams.

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Anonymous #327442 04/19/21 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
CN is the most dynamic and dominant player playing in the toughest conference. She plays the game at a different level than everyone else. That is obvious. She is also an elite draw specialist - perhaps the best in the country. Scane is a great offensive talent as well but its hard to say that she is not stat padding at all when she shoots 13 times per game and the average margin of victory for NW this year is 10 goals. Their games are pretty much over in the first 15 minutes of each game.

North has been shut down multiple times this year ,Scane and Ortega have not. If you dont think her over the top celebrations will impact the tewaaraton selection committee you are wrong. Is she the flashiest player in the country yes , does taking essentially every draw even in blowout wins help her chances yes.For a player who has the ball in her stick as much as she does the lack of assists is noticeable. I hope a defender gets the award but unlikely.

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Anonymous #327450 04/19/21 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People on this thread are funny. Team record doesn’t matter. Player stats don’t matter. It’s “well I watch games” and then some whining diatribe about “the conference is the best” or “teammates don’t like the player”. Sorry.... record and stats matter. If they didn’t why play the games. I get that people have an agenda but the excuses never stop.


I guess that you would agree with the rankings below...

A teams record is absolutely a very good indicator of how teams compare.


4/19/21 - Top 30


1 - North Carolina: 14 - 0

2 - Northwestern: 11 - 0

3 - Stanford: 8 - 0

4 - Jacksonville: 6 - 0

5 - Boston College: 11 - 1

6 - Syracuse: 11 - 1

7 - Drexel: 10 - 1

8 - Denver: 10 - 1

9 - Fairfield: 8 - 1

10 - Richmond: 8 - 1

11 - Elon: 8 - 1

12 - Mt. St Mary's: 11 - 2

13 - UMass: 11 - 2

14 - Florida: 11 - 2

15 - Robert Morris: 10 - 2

16 - Davidson: 10 - 2

17 - LIU: 9 - 2

18 - Loyola: 8 - 2

19 - Monmouth: 7 - 2

20 - Stony Brook: 7 - 2

21 - Siena: 6 - 2

22 - Temple: 10 - 3

23 - Furman: 9 - 3

24 - Lehigh: 6 - 3

25 - Navy: 6 - 3

26 - Niagra: 5 - 3

27 - Duquesne: 4 - 3

28 - Vanderbilt: 11 - 4

29 - Arizona St: 8 - 4

30 - Towson: 8 - 4


Obviously we will see in a few weeks. That’s why they PLAY the tournament games. Until then speculation is fun but still just speculation.

I don’t think they are speculating, I believe they are making the point that a teams record is not necessarily a very good barometer for ranking teams.

If the season were to end today how would the tournament look?

16 Automatic Bids

1 - AAC - Florida
2 - ACC - North Carolina
3 - AE - Stony Brook
4 - ASUN - Jacksonville
5 - A-10 - UMass
6 - Big E - Denver
7 - Big So - High Point
8 - B1G - Northwestern
9 - CAA - Drexel
10 - MAAC - Fairfield
11 - MAC - Robert Morris
12 - MPSF - UC Davis
13 - NEC - Mount St Marry's
14 - PAC12 - Stanford
15 - Patriot - Loyola
16 - SoCon - Furman

13 At Large Bids

1 - Boston College - ACC 11 - 1
2 - Syracuse - ACC 11 - 1
3 - Richmond - A10 8 - 1
4 - Elon - CAA 8 - 1
5 - Mount St Mary - NEC 10 - 2
6 - Davidson - A10 10 - 2
7 - LIU - NEC 9 - 2
8 - Monmouth - MAAC 7 - 2
9 - Siena - MAAC 6 - 2
10 - Temple - AAC 10 - 3
11 - Lehigh - Patriot 6 - 3
12 - Navy - Patriot 6 - 3
13 - Niagara - MAAC 5 - 3

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Anonymous #327455 04/19/21 06:58 PM
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CN is the most dynamic and dominant player playing in the toughest conference. She plays the game at a different level than everyone else. That is obvious. She is also an elite draw specialist - perhaps the best in the country. Scane is a great offensive talent as well but its hard to say that she is not stat padding at all when she shoots 13 times per game and the average margin of victory for NW this year is 10 goals. Their games are pretty much over in the first 15 minutes of each game.

North has been shut down multiple times this year ,Scane and Ortega have not. If you dont think her over the top celebrations will impact the tewaaraton selection committee you are wrong. Is she the flashiest player in the country yes , does taking essentially every draw even in blowout wins help her chances yes.For a player who has the ball in her stick as much as she does the lack of assists is noticeable. I hope a defender gets the award but unlikely.

Stop being jealous. She is amazing and it will be between her and Scane. Ortega a distant 3rd

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Anonymous #327458 04/19/21 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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People on this thread are funny. Team record doesn’t matter. Player stats don’t matter. It’s “well I watch games” and then some whining diatribe about “the conference is the best” or “teammates don’t like the player”. Sorry.... record and stats matter. If they didn’t why play the games. I get that people have an agenda but the excuses never stop.


I guess that you would agree with the rankings below...

A teams record is absolutely a very good indicator of how teams compare.


4/19/21 - Top 30


1 - North Carolina: 14 - 0

2 - Northwestern: 11 - 0

3 - Stanford: 8 - 0

4 - Jacksonville: 6 - 0

5 - Boston College: 11 - 1

6 - Syracuse: 11 - 1

7 - Drexel: 10 - 1

8 - Denver: 10 - 1

9 - Fairfield: 8 - 1

10 - Richmond: 8 - 1

11 - Elon: 8 - 1

12 - Mt. St Mary's: 11 - 2

13 - UMass: 11 - 2

14 - Florida: 11 - 2

15 - Robert Morris: 10 - 2

16 - Davidson: 10 - 2

17 - LIU: 9 - 2

18 - Loyola: 8 - 2

19 - Monmouth: 7 - 2

20 - Stony Brook: 7 - 2

21 - Siena: 6 - 2

22 - Temple: 10 - 3

23 - Furman: 9 - 3

24 - Lehigh: 6 - 3

25 - Navy: 6 - 3

26 - Niagra: 5 - 3

27 - Duquesne: 4 - 3

28 - Vanderbilt: 11 - 4

29 - Arizona St: 8 - 4

30 - Towson: 8 - 4


Obviously we will see in a few weeks. That’s why they PLAY the tournament games. Until then speculation is fun but still just speculation.

I don’t think they are speculating, I believe they are making the point that a teams record is not necessarily a very good barometer for ranking teams.

If the season were to end today how would the tournament look?

16 Automatic Bids

1 - AAC - Florida
2 - ACC - North Carolina
3 - AE - Stony Brook
4 - ASUN - Jacksonville
5 - A-10 - UMass
6 - Big E - Denver
7 - Big So - High Point
8 - B1G - Northwestern
9 - CAA - Drexel
10 - MAAC - Fairfield
11 - MAC - Robert Morris
12 - MPSF - UC Davis
13 - NEC - Mount St Marry's
14 - PAC12 - Stanford
15 - Patriot - Loyola
16 - SoCon - Furman

13 At Large Bids

1 - Boston College - ACC 11 - 1
2 - Syracuse - ACC 11 - 1
3 - Richmond - A10 8 - 1
4 - Elon - CAA 8 - 1
5 - Mount St Mary - NEC 10 - 2
6 - Davidson - A10 10 - 2
7 - LIU - NEC 9 - 2
8 - Monmouth - MAAC 7 - 2
9 - Siena - MAAC 6 - 2
10 - Temple - AAC 10 - 3
11 - Lehigh - Patriot 6 - 3
12 - Navy - Patriot 6 - 3
13 - Niagara - MAAC 5 - 3

Four teams from the MAAC...they shouldn't get one

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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
Anonymous #327466 04/19/21 08:39 PM
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People on this thread are funny. Team record doesn’t matter. Player stats don’t matter. It’s “well I watch games” and then some whining diatribe about “the conference is the best” or “teammates don’t like the player”. Sorry.... record and stats matter. If they didn’t why play the games. I get that people have an agenda but the excuses never stop.


I guess that you would agree with the rankings below...

A teams record is absolutely a very good indicator of how teams compare.


4/19/21 - Top 30


1 - North Carolina: 14 - 0

2 - Northwestern: 11 - 0

3 - Stanford: 8 - 0

4 - Jacksonville: 6 - 0

5 - Boston College: 11 - 1

6 - Syracuse: 11 - 1

7 - Drexel: 10 - 1

8 - Denver: 10 - 1

9 - Fairfield: 8 - 1

10 - Richmond: 8 - 1

11 - Elon: 8 - 1

12 - Mt. St Mary's: 11 - 2

13 - UMass: 11 - 2

14 - Florida: 11 - 2

15 - Robert Morris: 10 - 2

16 - Davidson: 10 - 2

17 - LIU: 9 - 2

18 - Loyola: 8 - 2

19 - Monmouth: 7 - 2

20 - Stony Brook: 7 - 2

21 - Siena: 6 - 2

22 - Temple: 10 - 3

23 - Furman: 9 - 3

24 - Lehigh: 6 - 3

25 - Navy: 6 - 3

26 - Niagra: 5 - 3

27 - Duquesne: 4 - 3

28 - Vanderbilt: 11 - 4

29 - Arizona St: 8 - 4

30 - Towson: 8 - 4


Obviously we will see in a few weeks. That’s why they PLAY the tournament games. Until then speculation is fun but still just speculation.

I don’t think they are speculating, I believe they are making the point that a teams record is not necessarily a very good barometer for ranking teams.

If the season were to end today how would the tournament look?

16 Automatic Bids

1 - AAC - Florida
2 - ACC - North Carolina
3 - AE - Stony Brook
4 - ASUN - Jacksonville
5 - A-10 - UMass
6 - Big E - Denver
7 - Big So - High Point
8 - B1G - Northwestern
9 - CAA - Drexel
10 - MAAC - Fairfield
11 - MAC - Robert Morris
12 - MPSF - UC Davis
13 - NEC - Mount St Marry's
14 - PAC12 - Stanford
15 - Patriot - Loyola
16 - SoCon - Furman

13 At Large Bids

1 - Boston College - ACC 11 - 1
2 - Syracuse - ACC 11 - 1
3 - Richmond - A10 8 - 1
4 - Elon - CAA 8 - 1
5 - Mount St Mary - NEC 10 - 2
6 - Davidson - A10 10 - 2
7 - LIU - NEC 9 - 2
8 - Monmouth - MAAC 7 - 2
9 - Siena - MAAC 6 - 2
10 - Temple - AAC 10 - 3
11 - Lehigh - Patriot 6 - 3
12 - Navy - Patriot 6 - 3
13 - Niagara - MAAC 5 - 3

Four teams from the MAAC...they shouldn't get one

Record, Record, Record.... own it!

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Anonymous #327482 04/20/21 05:45 AM
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LIU, seriously. Look who they played

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you are embarrassing yourself with the record argument. apples to oranges

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LIU, seriously. Look who they played

According to some on this site it doesn’t matter who you play. It’s all about your record.

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you are embarrassing yourself with the record argument. apples to oranges

They are trying to prove their point that records do not matter by showing some ridiculous at large bids from traditionally weaker conferences. Listen we know that there are numerous conferences that are very weak. They are lucky to even get an automatic berth and will more than likely be beat by double digits. No one ever said teams like Niagara, Siena and Monmouth are better than your Big 10 teams you hold in such high regard. However there are teams that many believe should be ranked versus some of the Big 10 teams that are below .500 and only play in conference this year. The IL media poll is a little better this week as Maryland is 15, Hopkins is 16. Rutgers at 19 is a little sketchy. But again, the playoffs will be the final answer to these questions. The big concern for the Big 10 is will these teams be invited.

From your list above you may be able to add 2-3 more ACC teams with at large berths based upon their overall record, not just their in conference records (perhaps Duke, ND, Va). I personally think the CAA has some teams that could compete with all the Big 10 teams except of course Northwestern. Could Hofstra beat Hopkins again like last year? I think they can, they have 5 losses but 4 of them are Drexel (2X), Stony Brook and Boston College. Could a Temple beat a Rutgers team? I think they can, they have 3 losses all year to Drexel and Florida (2X). Your point is well taken and expressed more times that we care to read...we will see at the end.

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