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Re: 2020-2021 Women's College Lacrosse Season
TheBackOfTheCage #321945 03/01/21 08:52 AM
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After northwestern the Big 10 is down big time this year ACC top to bottom is on another level minus Louisville
With no ivys this year and limited out of conference games it will be a very interesting NCAA bracket Think we can all agree with that

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No question SB didn’t have their best day and SU played flawless and inspired lax today. Surprising as both play a similar defense.

SU right now is the team to beat. UNC , ND and NW very strong but SU playing as a complete team right now is stronger. The EH loss as not apparent of a big issue today is a huge loss for them. I pray the injury is not bad and she can return. Lax needs players like her.

Another note SU backer zone is forcing many shooting space calls or players to pull up on shots, which are both good results for SU. The 8M is a tough shot. Also noticed SU using the old check to bottom of stick and pulling it. The refs see it, but used all over field.

Both backers were in 3 seconds all day but refs missing it. The backer zone is awesome when 3 seconds not called.

Onto next week we go.
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Is there just not enough talent to go around? I know JMU shocked the lacrosse world by winning the National Championship in 2018 and Navy surprised everyone by advancing to the Final Four in 2017 but C'mon man... can we get some parity? Stony Brook has done a great job and is recognized by most as a Top 10 Program But they have not made it to Championship weekend. Virginia, Princeton, Penn, Florida, Notre Dame all Top 10 Programs but its been a while since they were in the Final Four or won a Championship. Not even sure if Notre Dame has ever gone to The Final Four. Duke has fallen off and has not been Top 20 the past few years. Penn State looks to be heading in the right direction after a couple of down years after back to back Final Four years.

You would think that with the growth of the sport it would be attracting more "Athletes" but it appears as though the same 10 - 15 teams are able to land just about all of the top players.

Michigan had a great year in 2019 but it looks like they might have taken a step back. Georgetown has fallen along with Hopkins.

I guess when you look at the Top 15 -20 Programs they cover all the bases for recruits. If you want to go out west USC and Stanford are excellent schools with competitive (although not yesterday for USC) programs. In The MidWest you obviously have Northwestern and Notre Dame. If you want warm weather and the south you have Florida, Duke and North Carolina. Big State School there is Maryland, Virginia, Penn State... Ivy you have Princeton and Penn (Dartmouth?). Northeast / New England / Boston area obviously Syracuse, Boston College (Dartmouth?) Want to stay on Long Island there is Stony Brook. Want to be in the Swamp AKA DC you have Georgetown. Hopkins is a great school with a good program if Baltimore is your thing, Loyola is right up the road and is a great fit for a lot of student athletes. Navy has become a strong program for the very special individual who wants to challenge themselves in that environment.

The top recruits can usually find their "Fit" at one of these schools... City, Country, Suburban, South, Mid-Atlantic, Northeast, New England, Med-West, West Coast, Big School, Small School etc... They all excellent schools.

Just my thoughts on why it is so difficult for other programs to attract top talent.


Because regardless of how much money us parents throw at club lacrosse there just isnt that much talent out there. College lacrosse is by far the easiest route for any girl that wants to play varsity sport in college. The top 10, the next ten and then you fall off a cliff. Teams ranked around 100 could get beat by most club summer teams. Same goes for D2 and D3 a handful of really good teams and then not much. Enjoy the ride, Cheer for your kid and dont over think it
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Stony brook. Now that’s a good one. When they can beat an actual
Good team. Then we can talk

Like the gentleman mentioned earlier. Unless SB can consistently play BIG 10 or ACC opponents, they are irrelevant. There is no comparison. Keep dominating Wagner and Hofstra! Kudos!

Exactly

Stony Brook gets a lot of attention on here so I thought I would point out some facts so that people can see actual results as opposed to hype or detest.

Since 2015 here is how Stony Brook has actually done. (Thats 5 full seasons, 1 abbreviated season, and the current season).

Overal Record............... 97 - 17

Record Vs Top 20......... 22 - 16 (Teams that finished season in Top 20)

Record Vs Top 10........ 7 - 14 (Teams that finished season in Top 10)

Vs Perennial Top 20.... 12 - 13

Perennial Top 20 (Teams that ended the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the 5 years from 2015 thru 2019. Stony Brook is one of those 10 Teams). (ND, PSU, JMU were the only teams to finish Top 20 four times in the five years 2015 -2019).

Maryland................. 0 - 2
North Carolina......... 0 - 1
Syracuse................. 1 - 2
Princeton................. 1 - 2
Florida...................... 1 - 4
Boston College........ 1 - 1
Northwestern........... 4 -1
Penn........................ 1 - 0
Virginia..................... 0 - 0

Notre Dame............. 1 - 0
James Madison....... 1 - 0
Penn State............... 1 - 0

Love them or detest them, they are what they are. Stony Brook has been one of the 10 best programs for several years now but their Team Records and Individual Player Statistics have been skewed due to their conference competition or lack there of. Stony Brook has done a good job with their out of conference schedule but their overall schedule is still less challenging than the other Top Programs.

NCAA Tournament Results are what they are...

2013: # 10 at end of regular season. # 11 in the final Poll.. : They were 16 - 2 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Maryland in the round of 16.

2014: # 20 at end of regular season. # 20 in the final Poll.. : They were 16 - 3 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: # 6 at end of regular season. # 11 in the final Poll.. : They were 18 - 1 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: # 7 at end of regular season. # 8 in the final Poll.. : They were 15 - 3 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: # 4 at end of regular season. # 4 in the final Poll.. : They were 18 - 1 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: # 1 at end of regular season. # 5 in the final Poll.. : They were 19 - 0 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Boston College in round of 8.

2019: # 15 at end of regular season. # 12 in the final Poll.. : They were 15 - 4 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Maryland in the round of 16.

Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program, that puts SBU in some pretty good company.

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^^ Well crafted and researched post..thank you. I dont think anyone though SB was beating Cuse Saturday. I didnt think it would be as skewed as it was but maybe Cuse is that good vs SB is that bad.

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No question SB didn’t have their best day and SU played flawless and inspired lax today. Surprising as both play a similar defense.

SU right now is the team to beat. UNC , ND and NW very strong but SU playing as a complete team right now is stronger. The EH loss as not apparent of a big issue today is a huge loss for them. I pray the injury is not bad and she can return. Lax needs players like her.

Another note SU backer zone is forcing many shooting space calls or players to pull up on shots, which are both good results for SU. The 8M is a tough shot. Also noticed SU using the old check to bottom of stick and pulling it. The refs see it, but used all over field.

Both backers were in 3 seconds all day but refs missing it. The backer zone is awesome when 3 seconds not called.

Onto next week we go.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there just not enough talent to go around? I know JMU shocked the lacrosse world by winning the National Championship in 2018 and Navy surprised everyone by advancing to the Final Four in 2017 but C'mon man... can we get some parity? Stony Brook has done a great job and is recognized by most as a Top 10 Program But they have not made it to Championship weekend. Virginia, Princeton, Penn, Florida, Notre Dame all Top 10 Programs but its been a while since they were in the Final Four or won a Championship. Not even sure if Notre Dame has ever gone to The Final Four. Duke has fallen off and has not been Top 20 the past few years. Penn State looks to be heading in the right direction after a couple of down years after back to back Final Four years.

You would think that with the growth of the sport it would be attracting more "Athletes" but it appears as though the same 10 - 15 teams are able to land just about all of the top players.

Michigan had a great year in 2019 but it looks like they might have taken a step back. Georgetown has fallen along with Hopkins.

I guess when you look at the Top 15 -20 Programs they cover all the bases for recruits. If you want to go out west USC and Stanford are excellent schools with competitive (although not yesterday for USC) programs. In The MidWest you obviously have Northwestern and Notre Dame. If you want warm weather and the south you have Florida, Duke and North Carolina. Big State School there is Maryland, Virginia, Penn State... Ivy you have Princeton and Penn (Dartmouth?). Northeast / New England / Boston area obviously Syracuse, Boston College (Dartmouth?) Want to stay on Long Island there is Stony Brook. Want to be in the Swamp AKA DC you have Georgetown. Hopkins is a great school with a good program if Baltimore is your thing, Loyola is right up the road and is a great fit for a lot of student athletes. Navy has become a strong program for the very special individual who wants to challenge themselves in that environment.

The top recruits can usually find their "Fit" at one of these schools... City, Country, Suburban, South, Mid-Atlantic, Northeast, New England, Med-West, West Coast, Big School, Small School etc... They all excellent schools.

Just my thoughts on why it is so difficult for other programs to attract top talent.


Because regardless of how much money us parents throw at club lacrosse there just isnt that much talent out there. College lacrosse is by far the easiest route for any girl that wants to play varsity sport in college. The top 10, the next ten and then you fall off a cliff. Teams ranked around 100 could get beat by most club summer teams. Same goes for D2 and D3 a handful of really good teams and then not much. Enjoy the ride, Cheer for your kid and dont over think it
Agreed

Nike US Lacrosse Poll

1 North Carolina
2 Syracuse
3 Notre Dame
4 Northwestern
5 Virginia
6 Florida
7 Stony Brook
8 Duke
9 Penn State
10 Maryland
11 Boston College
12 Richmond
13 James Madison
14 Towson
15 Loyola
16 UMass
17 Virginia Tech
18 Rutgers
19 USC
20 Louisville

Some things that jump out at me:

Stony Brook at # 7. SBU was Blown out by 1 & 2 ... we might want to drop them out of the Top 10 at least for now.

Loyola at # 15. They are 0 - 2 and were blown out in both games. How are they only 1 spot behind Towson? Towson Vs Loyola was not close.

USC at #19. I realize they might have been Jet Lagged but again they are 0 - 2 and neither game was close and both Stony Brook and Boston College are unproven this year.

ND has not played a game... Keep them out until the compete.

Is Duke really Top 10?

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some early Tewaaraton thoughts predictions:

Top contenders : North,Ortega, Scane ,Kennedy

Kennedy : While elite on the draw circle she is not elite on either the offensive or defensive side and if she played in the ACC would be a good player but would not have the numbers she has.She will now tear thru her conference putting up big numbers and Spallina hype machine will be in full effect. 1 assist on season and shooting percent 38% not very impressive.

North : Very dynamic and flashy but does not make anyone around her any better and her game seems to be all about her. When her team mate passed up on the empty net goal against USC with the game all but over but North decided to put one more in to pad the stat line with 20 seconds or so left it showed exactly what she is all about.

Scane; Putting up big numbers but also taking an incredible amount of shots per game. Has not played any real top teams yet so will be interesting when she does. I would say she is probably the front runner at the moment but would prefer if she did more than just score, no draws, not great at riding, and play little competition so far.

Ortega: The most well rounded of the group as she can score and get team mates involved . That said against the better competition this season she averages 2.6 g and 1.6 A on 42 % shooting while in the blow outs she has an average of 4g 2.5 A on 88% shooting. I watched several of their games this weekend and her 12 shots against Duke was a bit much when you have that talent around you and against Vandy she seemed like the good high school layer whose dad told them they need to score more .Another player who is purely offensive , no draws etc.

I usually think the Tewaaraton should go to the best player not the best scorer but the all around goal scorer ,who gets team mates involved with assists ,helps on the draw and plays great defense don't seem to exist anymore. Given the above I think Trenchard the defender from UNC who is also on the draw circle at times and is fun to watch will eventually be the one to win the award.

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Whoever keeps saying Notre Dame has not played is incorrect and, quite frankly, should learn to do a quick fact check. Only 1 game early but did handle Vandy 19-5.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
some early Tewaaraton thoughts predictions:

Top contenders : North,Ortega, Scane ,Kennedy

Kennedy : While elite on the draw circle she is not elite on either the offensive or defensive side and if she played in the ACC would be a good player but would not have the numbers she has.She will now tear thru her conference putting up big numbers and Spallina hype machine will be in full effect. 1 assist on season and shooting percent 38% not very impressive.

North : Very dynamic and flashy but does not make anyone around her any better and her game seems to be all about her. When her team mate passed up on the empty net goal against USC with the game all but over but North decided to put one more in to pad the stat line with 20 seconds or so left it showed exactly what she is all about.

Scane; Putting up big numbers but also taking an incredible amount of shots per game. Has not played any real top teams yet so will be interesting when she does. I would say she is probably the front runner at the moment but would prefer if she did more than just score, no draws, not great at riding, and play little competition so far.

Ortega: The most well rounded of the group as she can score and get team mates involved . That said against the better competition this season she averages 2.6 g and 1.6 A on 42 % shooting while in the blow outs she has an average of 4g 2.5 A on 88% shooting. I watched several of their games this weekend and her 12 shots against Duke was a bit much when you have that talent around you and against Vandy she seemed like the good high school layer whose dad told them they need to score more .Another player who is purely offensive , no draws etc.

I usually think the Tewaaraton should go to the best player not the best scorer but the all around goal scorer ,who gets team mates involved with assists ,helps on the draw and plays great defense don't seem to exist anymore. Given the above I think Trenchard the defender from UNC who is also on the draw circle at times and is fun to watch will eventually be the one to win the award.

Agree and would love to see a Defender win it but I don't think it is likely. If Carolina wins the National Championship they should give it to The Carolina Defense, Goalie and Midfielders.....

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Whoever keeps saying Notre Dame has not played is incorrect and, quite frankly, should learn to do a quick fact check. Only 1 game early but did handle Vandy 19-5.

Who "keeps" saying Notre Dame has not played? it was said in one post that I am aware of and it looks like it was a mistake.

Why so sensitive?

One game or no games, what have they done (ever) to be considered # 3?

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some early Tewaaraton thoughts predictions:

Top contenders : North,Ortega, Scane ,Kennedy

Kennedy : While elite on the draw circle she is not elite on either the offensive or defensive side and if she played in the ACC would be a good player but would not have the numbers she has.She will now tear thru her conference putting up big numbers and Spallina hype machine will be in full effect. 1 assist on season and shooting percent 38% not very impressive.

North : Very dynamic and flashy but does not make anyone around her any better and her game seems to be all about her. When her team mate passed up on the empty net goal against USC with the game all but over but North decided to put one more in to pad the stat line with 20 seconds or so left it showed exactly what she is all about.

Scane; Putting up big numbers but also taking an incredible amount of shots per game. Has not played any real top teams yet so will be interesting when she does. I would say she is probably the front runner at the moment but would prefer if she did more than just score, no draws, not great at riding, and play little competition so far.

Ortega: The most well rounded of the group as she can score and get team mates involved . That said against the better competition this season she averages 2.6 g and 1.6 A on 42 % shooting while in the blow outs she has an average of 4g 2.5 A on 88% shooting. I watched several of their games this weekend and her 12 shots against Duke was a bit much when you have that talent around you and against Vandy she seemed like the good high school layer whose dad told them they need to score more .Another player who is purely offensive , no draws etc.

I usually think the Tewaaraton should go to the best player not the best scorer but the all around goal scorer ,who gets team mates involved with assists ,helps on the draw and plays great defense don't seem to exist anymore. Given the above I think Trenchard the defender from UNC who is also on the draw circle at times and is fun to watch will eventually be the one to win the award.

Agree and would love to see a Defender win it but I don't think it is likely. If Carolina wins the National Championship they should give it to The Carolina Defense, Goalie and Midfielders.....

That said, I do think the Carolina Attack is spectacular!

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some early Tewaaraton thoughts predictions:

Top contenders : North,Ortega, Scane ,Kennedy

Kennedy : While elite on the draw circle she is not elite on either the offensive or defensive side and if she played in the ACC would be a good player but would not have the numbers she has.She will now tear thru her conference putting up big numbers and Spallina hype machine will be in full effect. 1 assist on season and shooting percent 38% not very impressive.

North : Very dynamic and flashy but does not make anyone around her any better and her game seems to be all about her. When her team mate passed up on the empty net goal against USC with the game all but over but North decided to put one more in to pad the stat line with 20 seconds or so left it showed exactly what she is all about.

Scane; Putting up big numbers but also taking an incredible amount of shots per game. Has not played any real top teams yet so will be interesting when she does. I would say she is probably the front runner at the moment but would prefer if she did more than just score, no draws, not great at riding, and play little competition so far.

Ortega: The most well rounded of the group as she can score and get team mates involved . That said against the better competition this season she averages 2.6 g and 1.6 A on 42 % shooting while in the blow outs she has an average of 4g 2.5 A on 88% shooting. I watched several of their games this weekend and her 12 shots against Duke was a bit much when you have that talent around you and against Vandy she seemed like the good high school layer whose dad told them they need to score more .Another player who is purely offensive , no draws etc.

I usually think the Tewaaraton should go to the best player not the best scorer but the all around goal scorer ,who gets team mates involved with assists ,helps on the draw and plays great defense don't seem to exist anymore. Given the above I think Trenchard the defender from UNC who is also on the draw circle at times and is fun to watch will eventually be the one to win the award.

Agree and would love to see a Defender win it but I don't think it is likely. If Carolina wins the National Championship they should give it to The Carolina Defense, Goalie and Midfielders.....

That said, I do think the Carolina Attack is spectacular!

Agree and great to see BTB done well.

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some early Tewaaraton thoughts predictions:

Top contenders : North,Ortega, Scane ,Kennedy

Kennedy : While elite on the draw circle she is not elite on either the offensive or defensive side and if she played in the ACC would be a good player but would not have the numbers she has.She will now tear thru her conference putting up big numbers and Spallina hype machine will be in full effect. 1 assist on season and shooting percent 38% not very impressive.

North : Very dynamic and flashy but does not make anyone around her any better and her game seems to be all about her. When her team mate passed up on the empty net goal against USC with the game all but over but North decided to put one more in to pad the stat line with 20 seconds or so left it showed exactly what she is all about.

Scane; Putting up big numbers but also taking an incredible amount of shots per game. Has not played any real top teams yet so will be interesting when she does. I would say she is probably the front runner at the moment but would prefer if she did more than just score, no draws, not great at riding, and play little competition so far.

Ortega: The most well rounded of the group as she can score and get team mates involved . That said against the better competition this season she averages 2.6 g and 1.6 A on 42 % shooting while in the blow outs she has an average of 4g 2.5 A on 88% shooting. I watched several of their games this weekend and her 12 shots against Duke was a bit much when you have that talent around you and against Vandy she seemed like the good high school layer whose dad told them they need to score more .Another player who is purely offensive , no draws etc.

I usually think the Tewaaraton should go to the best player not the best scorer but the all around goal scorer ,who gets team mates involved with assists ,helps on the draw and plays great defense don't seem to exist anymore. Given the above I think Trenchard the defender from UNC who is also on the draw circle at times and is fun to watch will eventually be the one to win the award.

Agree and would love to see a Defender win it but I don't think it is likely. If Carolina wins the National Championship they should give it to The Carolina Defense, Goalie and Midfielders.....

That said, I do think the Carolina Attack is spectacular!

Some comments...
too early for this list a lot of lax to still play, but my thoughts
You might want to add Katie Hoeg
or Andie Aldave from ND to list or Trombetta from Florida
Agree with Kennedy and Scane comments
Ortega - Duke game weather prob played a part in shots

Also if players aren't on draw circle why are they penalised in your thinking?
Most attackers, unless they take draw cant really help on draw circle.
Kennedy is good on ride, ortega is pretty good on the ride
North...taking draw may hurt her as she plays every minute and in a tough game is gonna be gassed by end.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
some early Tewaaraton thoughts predictions:

Top contenders : North,Ortega, Scane ,Kennedy

Kennedy : While elite on the draw circle she is not elite on either the offensive or defensive side and if she played in the ACC would be a good player but would not have the numbers she has.She will now tear thru her conference putting up big numbers and Spallina hype machine will be in full effect. 1 assist on season and shooting percent 38% not very impressive.

North : Very dynamic and flashy but does not make anyone around her any better and her game seems to be all about her. When her team mate passed up on the empty net goal against USC with the game all but over but North decided to put one more in to pad the stat line with 20 seconds or so left it showed exactly what she is all about.

Scane; Putting up big numbers but also taking an incredible amount of shots per game. Has not played any real top teams yet so will be interesting when she does. I would say she is probably the front runner at the moment but would prefer if she did more than just score, no draws, not great at riding, and play little competition so far.

Ortega: The most well rounded of the group as she can score and get team mates involved . That said against the better competition this season she averages 2.6 g and 1.6 A on 42 % shooting while in the blow outs she has an average of 4g 2.5 A on 88% shooting. I watched several of their games this weekend and her 12 shots against Duke was a bit much when you have that talent around you and against Vandy she seemed like the good high school layer whose dad told them they need to score more .Another player who is purely offensive , no draws etc.

I usually think the Tewaaraton should go to the best player not the best scorer but the all around goal scorer ,who gets team mates involved with assists ,helps on the draw and plays great defense don't seem to exist anymore. Given the above I think Trenchard the defender from UNC who is also on the draw circle at times and is fun to watch will eventually be the one to win the award.

Agree and would love to see a Defender win it but I don't think it is likely. If Carolina wins the National Championship they should give it to The Carolina Defense, Goalie and Midfielders.....

That said, I do think the Carolina Attack is spectacular!

Some comments...
too early for this list a lot of lax to still play, but my thoughts
You might want to add Katie Hoeg
or Andie Aldave from ND to list or Trombetta from Florida
Agree with Kennedy and Scane comments
Ortega - Duke game weather prob played a part in shots

Also if players aren't on draw circle why are they penalised in your thinking?
Most attackers, unless they take draw cant really help on draw circle.
Kennedy is good on ride, ortega is pretty good on the ride
North...taking draw may hurt her as she plays every minute and in a tough game is gonna be gassed by end.


I guess I could have said way too early lol.
I would add Katie Hoeg if I thought they took leadership into account , you can see she is clearly a player that directs their offense and really like the way she spreads the ball around but in the end its a numbers game and they want pure goal scorers and honestly ball hogs. Will keep her in the honorable mention at this time.

Trombetta is definitely close to Trenchard its just she plays on a team that is not elite so I think it makes it real difficult.
Aldave has only played 1 game and got hurt so maybe down the road.

I get your point about not being on the draw circle or taking the draw but all else being equal it may be the added dimension that makes 1 player stand out more than another

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Stony brook. Now that’s a good one. When they can beat an actual
Good team. Then we can talk

Like the gentleman mentioned earlier. Unless SB can consistently play BIG 10 or ACC opponents, they are irrelevant. There is no comparison. Keep dominating Wagner and Hofstra! Kudos!

Exactly

Stony Brook gets a lot of attention on here so I thought I would point out some facts so that people can see actual results as opposed to hype or detest.

Since 2015 here is how Stony Brook has actually done. (Thats 5 full seasons, 1 abbreviated season, and the current season).

Overal Record............... 97 - 17

Record Vs Top 20......... 22 - 16 (Teams that finished season in Top 20)

Record Vs Top 10........ 7 - 14 (Teams that finished season in Top 10)

Vs Perennial Top 20.... 12 - 13

Perennial Top 20 (Teams that ended the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the 5 years from 2015 thru 2019. Stony Brook is one of those 10 Teams). (ND, PSU, JMU were the only teams to finish Top 20 four times in the five years 2015 -2019).

Maryland................. 0 - 2
North Carolina......... 0 - 1
Syracuse................. 1 - 2
Princeton................. 1 - 2
Florida...................... 1 - 4
Boston College........ 1 - 1
Northwestern........... 4 -1
Penn........................ 1 - 0
Virginia..................... 0 - 0

Notre Dame............. 1 - 0
James Madison....... 1 - 0
Penn State............... 1 - 0

Love them or detest them, they are what they are. Stony Brook has been one of the 10 best programs for several years now but their Team Records and Individual Player Statistics have been skewed due to their conference competition or lack there of. Stony Brook has done a good job with their out of conference schedule but their overall schedule is still less challenging than the other Top Programs.

NCAA Tournament Results are what they are...

2013: # 10 at end of regular season. # 11 in the final Poll.. : They were 16 - 2 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Maryland in the round of 16.

2014: # 20 at end of regular season. # 20 in the final Poll.. : They were 16 - 3 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: # 6 at end of regular season. # 11 in the final Poll.. : They were 18 - 1 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: # 7 at end of regular season. # 8 in the final Poll.. : They were 15 - 3 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: # 4 at end of regular season. # 4 in the final Poll.. : They were 18 - 1 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: # 1 at end of regular season. # 5 in the final Poll.. : They were 19 - 0 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Boston College in round of 8.

2019: # 15 at end of regular season. # 12 in the final Poll.. : They were 15 - 4 going into the tournament. - They Lost to Maryland in the round of 16.

Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program, that puts SBU in some pretty good company.

Stony Brooks Schedule is a double edge sward, it helps with hype because there record is usually very good, it helps with player stats, recognition and accolades. On the other hand it does not prepare them for The NCAA Tournament.

Below is where each team finished the year in the poll / rankings for 2019 and how many games vs Top 20 Teams they played.

1 - Maryland - 15 Top 20 games.

2 - Boston College - 11 Top 20 games.

3 - North Carolina - 12 Top 20 games.

4 - Northwestern - 13 Top 20 games.

5 - Syracuse - 12 Top 20 games.

6 - Princeton - 10 Top 20 games.

7 - Virginia - 12 Top 20 games.

12 - Stony Brook - 7 Top 20 games.

13 - Florida - 9 Top 20 games.

14 - Penn 8 Top 20 games.

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After northwestern the Big 10 is down big time this year ACC top to bottom is on another level minus Louisville
With no ivys this year and limited out of conference games it will be a very interesting NCAA bracket Think we can all agree with that

Louisville, Duke and Virginia Tech are competitive teams but “another level”? They have not done anything to confirm that. Time will tell where BC and ND stack up to the top teams but as of now they have not established themselves for this season. Virginia is also unproven so far. They are all competitive but at this point only UNC and Syracuse look to be on another level.

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