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Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: Anonymous] #11872
05/08/12 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"If a team is ahead by four goals, the team with fewer goals gets possession at the center of the field and this player may run or pass, but may not shoot unless another player has played the ball. The team with fewer goals may choose to start with a draw."
I like and hate this rule at the same time. It's a popular town team leauge thing to do and most good tournaments don't allow it (I can't believe US Lacrosse is supporting this). But I do see the value in giving a less competitive team a break. However it should have no place in any tournament as I have seen many games where teams have come back from 4, 5, 6 goals down and win without taking posession without a face off. I think that if the team that is losing by 4 or more goals elects to take posession without a faceoff, they should forfiet the right to "win" the game and potentially go to a playoff game. Or god forbid if it happens in a playoff game, it's just an advantage given to one team and not the other, and in the spirit of fair rules should never happen in a real tournament.


Same logic apply s to the two pass rule , a team may not score a few goals because they have to make two passes. I think these rules are fine for PAL games and PAL tournaments, I would not apply them to elite teams in outside competition for the reason you stated above

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Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: 429lax] #17232
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Can someone please clarify - are "5th graders" participating in U11 tournaments next summer or U13? It seems there will be many kids in 5th grade that will turn 11 years old before the tournament season begins - which appears will make them ineligible under the new rules.

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all depends on their DOB.

11 before 8.31.12 is u13 (or 5th grade if it is a grade tournament not U tournament).

11 after 8.31.12 is U11 or what ever grade they are in

Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: Anonymous] #17243
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real question is what are they in any fall 12 tournaments

Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: Anonymous] #17245
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As per US Lacrosse-
Spring 2013 Age Grouping Quick Reference Table
Birthdate Age Bracket
Born on or after 9/1/1997 U15
Born on or after 9/1/1999 U13
Born on or after 9/1/2001 U11
Born on or after 9/1/2003 U9

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Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: Anonymous] #17309
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Sorry, hoping someone can further clarify? My son is born 8/31/01, this means he has to play u13? If so is their a governing body as my son is not trying out for u13, he is trying out with his friends in u11.

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Per the rules if he is born on 8/31/01 - he is not born on or after 9/1/01. So he qualifies for U11. Good question - is there a governing body like soccer, baseball reviewing age requirements for teams entering tournaments?

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Per the rules if he is born on 8/31/01 - he is not born on or after 9/1/01. So he qualifies for U11. Good question - is there a governing body like soccer, baseball reviewing age requirements for teams entering tournaments?


Huh, if he is born on 8/31/12 then u13, makes him youngest. Like it our not.

Governing body doubt anyone's looking,

I don't think I have ever filled in a form with dob/age, so I doubt it. You just need to live with any possible consequences if you ever get called on it. That being said, no one should call you on it, unless you really crossed someone.

Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: 429lax] #18066
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A Question in regards to the Nassau County NY PAL Lacrosse League:

We have a player who participates in this league - His birthdate is in June of O4 (8yo) - For reasons we don't know - he is currently back in the 2nd grade (Should be 3rd grade) - In regards to the PAL rules, which were very vague -- Should he register for the 2nd grade division (once again) or the 3rd grade division? - We would like to be official, as well as ethical in this matter…… to be fair to the boy himself and to the boys he will be playing against - Might we add, the boy is a top tier player who would far exceed most players currently registering for the 1st/2nd grade division (Spring 2013) -- As far as 'Official PAL' rules - does 'age' supersede 'grade'?? -- Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated - thank you

Nassau County PAL Lacrosse See rules/regs

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A Question in regards to the Nassau County NY PAL Lacrosse League:

We have a player who participates in this league - His birthdate is in June of O4 (8yo) - For reasons we don't know - he is currently back in the 2nd grade (Should be 3rd grade) - In regards to the PAL rules, which were very vague -- Should he register for the 2nd grade division (once again) or the 3rd grade division? - We would like to be official, as well as ethical in this matter…… to be fair to the boy himself and to the boys he will be playing against - Might we add, the boy is a top tier player who would far exceed most players currently registering for the 1st/2nd grade division (Spring 2013) -- As far as 'Official PAL' rules - does 'age' supersede 'grade'?? -- Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated - thank you

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I think you need to speak to the parents first.

Any educator will tell you, you need to take the child's development into consideration (and I dont mean athletically).

How has the transition of being held back a year been for the child. Has the child played in any other sport? and how was that handled by the child (since soccer or football is generally age based).

For the child's benefit it maybe best to keep him in the year he is currently in. The school and the parents will have the answer NOT PAL. I hope PAL agrees.




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Originally Posted by Anonymous
A Question in regards to the Nassau County NY PAL Lacrosse League:

We have a player who participates in this league - His birthdate is in June of O4 (8yo) - For reasons we don't know - he is currently back in the 2nd grade (Should be 3rd grade) - In regards to the PAL rules, which were very vague -- Should he register for the 2nd grade division (once again) or the 3rd grade division? - We would like to be official, as well as ethical in this matter…… to be fair to the boy himself and to the boys he will be playing against - Might we add, the boy is a top tier player who would far exceed most players currently registering for the 1st/2nd grade division (Spring 2013) -- As far as 'Official PAL' rules - does 'age' supersede 'grade'?? -- Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated - thank you

Nassau County PAL Lacrosse See rules/regs




ARTICLE II
AGE REQUIREMENTS
For both Girls and Boys under the Age Requirements
1. a. Freshman Division (A no CONTACT division) See Page 13
The Freshman Division will consist of 1st and 2nd graders only, age 6-7 years old. In no case will
a Kindergarten and below or a 3rd grader and above participate in this division. This is a NON
COMPETITIVE and TRAINING DIVISION ONLY!
b. Junior Division:
Resolved that the Junior Division will consist of players from the third and fourth grade ONLY, ages
8 and 9 with some 10 year olds. In no cases will an 11 year old player be allowed to play in the
Junior Division. In no case will a second grader, regardless of age, be allowed to play in the Junior
Division.

Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: 429lax] #20615
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What I am asking - if a PAL official could chime in - does age supersede grade?? I know this is a fact for all US Lacrosse sanctioned leagues/tourneys - but,as you can see from the above post - not too sure of the PAL rules - the child's development is fine and is a really good kid.....in my opinion has his head on his shoulders more than most kids on the team - I have heard the 2nd grade coach is pushing to have him on the 2nd grade team, but the boy will easily 'run around' 99 percent of that division - size and skill - I know if this boy was playing against 'my' team......and running over 'my' boys - I would not be too happy - nor would my parents

Re: Revised 2012 Youth Rules [Re: 429lax] #22197
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As a parent of 3 young lacrosse players I applauded the renewed emphasis on hits to the head and helmet. Unfortunately I have seen no changes in the way games are officiated. i am appalled at the lack of enforcement, especially at the travel level. It seem that if a hit or stick to the helmet doesnt alter play, more often than not it is overlooked and players are told to play on. enforcement needs to be strict and zero tolerance at all levels. Too many young players are getting injured and our game of speed and finesse may be altered forever. I implore coaches and directors at all levels to adopt a zero tolerance policy and practice what we preach. The game will be the better for it.

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Zero Tolerance? I am wondering if you ever played yourself? I am all about protecting kids but show me any article anywhere about a "brush" to the helmet hurting a child. Cut the refs some slack. It is usually obvious which checks have potential to hurt someone.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a parent of 3 young lacrosse players I applauded the renewed emphasis on hits to the head and helmet. Unfortunately I have seen no changes in the way games are officiated. i am appalled at the lack of enforcement, especially at the travel level. It seem that if a hit or stick to the helmet doesnt alter play, more often than not it is overlooked and players are told to play on. enforcement needs to be strict and zero tolerance at all levels. Too many young players are getting injured and our game of speed and finesse may be altered forever. I implore coaches and directors at all levels to adopt a zero tolerance policy and practice what we preach. The game will be the better for it.
Maybe lacrosse isn't the sport for you and your kids. Everyone knows how the game is played when you sign your kid up. If you don't it doesn't take very long to figure out that it's a rough sport with lots to contact. No one likes to see a kid get hurt and violaters should be delt with . But lets not confuse incodental contact with dirty play . I have been hit with balls , sticks , shoulders, you name it. I have also suffered 2 concussions, 1 in football, and 1 in lax, and I will tell you it is harder than you think to receive a cuncussion. Please don't distroy lacrosse with this zero tolerance, soccer mom B.S.

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