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Re: Boys 2023-10th Grade Fall 2020/Summer 2021
TheBackOfTheCage #307405 08/17/20 02:29 PM
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It shows the real answer about these club owners who preach about how they are going to get their players in the best lacrosse colleges. It's all a money scam. Any "B" or "C" player can get into that college and play lax. You don't need to be on Igloo/91/Express "A" team. Save your money.[/quote]

Not any B or C player can get a spot at that school. Be fair. It is a good school that gets better every year in lacrosse and academics. All commits for that program for 2021 came from AA teams. 225 attack players will be lucky enough to get a D1 spot for 2021. This is a top 40 lacrosse school. I wish the kid well.[/quote]

Stop being biased, and it's an analogy that any good player can play at that school. There are kids all over the country not on AA clubs who are playing D1. Igloo/91/Express are a money grab.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It shows the real answer about these club owners who preach about how they are going to get their players in the best lacrosse colleges. It's all a money scam. Any "B" or "C" player can get into that college and play lax. You don't need to be on Igloo/91/Express "A" team. Save your money.

Not any B or C player can get a spot at that school. Be fair. It is a good school that gets better every year in lacrosse and academics. All commits for that program for 2021 came from AA teams. 225 attack players will be lucky enough to get a D1 spot for 2021. This is a top 40 lacrosse school. I wish the kid well.[/quote]

Stop being biased, and it's an analogy that any good player can play at that school. There are kids all over the country not on AA clubs who are playing D1. Igloo/91/Express are a money grab.[/quote]


You are correct. Any good player could play there if they get an offer. Problem is only kids from AA teams get offers. All Providence 2021 Commits come from the following clubs all are AA :

Fighting Clams AA

Igloo Black Ice

91 Blaze

Coyotes Blue

Leading Edge AA

Laxachusetts Black

2 Way

Express Schreiber


All AA teams.

No Bias here, just facts

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Anonymous #307453 08/17/20 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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It shows the real answer about these club owners who preach about how they are going to get their players in the best lacrosse colleges. It's all a money scam. Any "B" or "C" player can get into that college and play lax. You don't need to be on Igloo/91/Express "A" team. Save your money.

Not any B or C player can get a spot at that school. Be fair. It is a good school that gets better every year in lacrosse and academics. All commits for that program for 2021 came from AA teams. 225 attack players will be lucky enough to get a D1 spot for 2021. This is a top 40 lacrosse school. I wish the kid well.

Stop being biased, and it's an analogy that any good player can play at that school. There are kids all over the country not on AA clubs who are playing D1. Igloo/91/Express are a money grab.[/quote]


You are correct. Any good player could play there if they get an offer. Problem is only kids from AA teams get offers. All Providence 2021 Commits come from the following clubs all are AA :

Fighting Clams AA

Igloo Black Ice

91 Blaze

Coyotes Blue

Leading Edge AA

Laxachusetts Black

2 Way

Express Schreiber


All AA teams.

No Bias here, just facts[/quote]

8 kids only?

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Anonymous #307457 08/17/20 09:36 PM
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It shows the real answer about these club owners who preach about how they are going to get their players in the best lacrosse colleges. It's all a money scam. Any "B" or "C" player can get into that college and play lax. You don't need to be on Igloo/91/Express "A" team. Save your money.

Not any B or C player can get a spot at that school. Be fair. It is a good school that gets better every year in lacrosse and academics. All commits for that program for 2021 came from AA teams. 225 attack players will be lucky enough to get a D1 spot for 2021. This is a top 40 lacrosse school. I wish the kid well.

Stop being biased, and it's an analogy that any good player can play at that school. There are kids all over the country not on AA clubs who are playing D1. Igloo/91/Express are a money grab.


You are correct. Any good player could play there if they get an offer. Problem is only kids from AA teams get offers. All Providence 2021 Commits come from the following clubs all are AA :

Fighting Clams AA

Igloo Black Ice

91 Blaze

Coyotes Blue

Leading Edge AA

Laxachusetts Black

2 Way

Express Schreiber


All AA teams.

No Bias here, just facts[/quote]

8 kids only?[/quote]

There are 14. Igloo, leading Edge and Laxachusetts have multiple players going.

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Anonymous #307459 08/17/20 09:49 PM
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Not a great academic school. Period.

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Not only are the Division 1 colleges looking for top players and not players from B teams but the the majority of players taken by Division 1 are prep or Parochial school kids. Public School kids are at a big disadvantage even if on a top club. I think a 91 goalie recently made a top D1 team playing on 91 B team so It does happen but it is rare.

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Not only are the Division 1 colleges looking for top players and not players from B teams but the the majority of players taken by Division 1 are prep or Parochial school kids. Public School kids are at a big disadvantage even if on a top club. I think a 91 goalie recently made a top D1 team playing on 91 B team so It does happen but it is rare.

Totally agree. Top D1 programs are typically more selective schools. Kids going to D1 programs also have to be academically similar to the other incoming freshmen. They can't be way below the average. A D1 coach doesn't want to battle the admissions office to explain why his recruits can't hang in the classroom. A coach has less risk recruiting kids from more academically challenging private schools. Public schools just don't prepare students for top schools - there are exceptions, however, but not many.

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Anonymous #307476 08/18/20 06:58 AM
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Not a great academic school. Period.

Correct. and this is the problem with these club owners like AA coming on here and justifying his sons acceptance to this low ranked academic and D1 team.

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Not only are the Division 1 colleges looking for top players and not players from B teams but the the majority of players taken by Division 1 are prep or Parochial school kids. Public School kids are at a big disadvantage even if on a top club. I think a 91 goalie recently made a top D1 team playing on 91 B team so It does happen but it is rare.

So many of you talk about boys who are on B teams at 13, 14 & 15 years old as if they are talentless bums. First off, do you have any idea how much politics takes place in the formation of these A teams? Every A team has at least one coach's kid who shouldn't be on the team, then there are the friends and family of the coaches and directors, or what about when there are a bunch of kids from the same town so that the 'stud' player has someone to carpool with. Are you completely unaware of the parents who slip an extra envelope to the director to get their son onto one of these 'A' teams? Oh yeah, that happens. Go through 91, Express, Igloo and S2S and there are 8-10 boys on each A team roster who barely get into games or strategically play vs lousy teams. I'm not saying there are 8-10 boys on each B team who could take their spots but there are easily 2-3 boys on these B teams who could compete at the A level if they could break through the nonsense. I've seen situations where a 'B' player is a starter on their high school team over an 'A' team player from the same club. I'd take the high school coach's evaluation over the club director's any day in that situation.

Secondly, do you realize that every kid develops at their own pace? Some are early bloomers, some are undersized throughout grade school and then spring up in 9th grade after all these teams have been selected (try breaking onto one of these clubs for the first time in high school). Even professional sports teams misevaluate players and make terrible mistakes, that's how you get busts like Sam Bowie going over MJ just to name the most famous. Bet you haven't heard that Tom Brady was a sixth rounder! Mike Piazza was taken in the last round of the MLB draft. 13 NBA teams passed on Giannis and he's about to win his 2nd consecutive MVP. What makes you think a random club lacrosse coach or director makes all the right decisions?

Finally, with two boys going through the club scene over the last 10 years, I've seen plenty of "A" players come down to fill out their club's B team for a random tournament and do absolutely nothing and I've seen "B" players step up to fill in for an injured "A" player and dominate like they should have been there the whole time. 'A' rankings and 'B' rankings are fluid terms and subject to change. Take a look at the ebb and flow of some of these top LI teams for 2023, one in particular has fallen off significantly b/c they held on too long to a core that was strong in 2016 & 2017 and haven't made the difficult decision of telling some of their 'A' players the truth.

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Anonymous #307503 08/18/20 09:07 AM
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Not a great academic school. Period.

Wait are you saying that Providence is not a great academic school, if you mean not "great" as compared to an ivy or NESCAC school, I get it, but Providence is a good school.

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Not only are the Division 1 colleges looking for top players and not players from B teams but the the majority of players taken by Division 1 are prep or Parochial school kids. Public School kids are at a big disadvantage even if on a top club. I think a 91 goalie recently made a top D1 team playing on 91 B team so It does happen but it is rare.

So many of you talk about boys who are on B teams at 13, 14 & 15 years old as if they are talentless bums. First off, do you have any idea how much politics takes place in the formation of these A teams? Every A team has at least one coach's kid who shouldn't be on the team, then there are the friends and family of the coaches and directors, or what about when there are a bunch of kids from the same town so that the 'stud' player has someone to carpool with. Are you completely unaware of the parents who slip an extra envelope to the director to get their son onto one of these 'A' teams? Oh yeah, that happens. Go through 91, Express, Igloo and S2S and there are 8-10 boys on each A team roster who barely get into games or strategically play vs lousy teams. I'm not saying there are 8-10 boys on each B team who could take their spots but there are easily 2-3 boys on these B teams who could compete at the A level if they could break through the nonsense. I've seen situations where a 'B' player is a starter on their high school team over an 'A' team player from the same club. I'd take the high school coach's evaluation over the club director's any day in that situation.

Secondly, do you realize that every kid develops at their own pace? Some are early bloomers, some are undersized throughout grade school and then spring up in 9th grade after all these teams have been selected (try breaking onto one of these clubs for the first time in high school). Even professional sports teams misevaluate players and make terrible mistakes, that's how you get busts like Sam Bowie going over MJ just to name the most famous. Bet you haven't heard that Tom Brady was a sixth rounder! Mike Piazza was taken in the last round of the MLB draft. 13 NBA teams passed on Giannis and he's about to win his 2nd consecutive MVP. What makes you think a random club lacrosse coach or director makes all the right decisions?

Finally, with two boys going through the club scene over the last 10 years, I've seen plenty of "A" players come down to fill out their club's B team for a random tournament and do absolutely nothing and I've seen "B" players step up to fill in for an injured "A" player and dominate like they should have been there the whole time. 'A' rankings and 'B' rankings are fluid terms and subject to change. Take a look at the ebb and flow of some of these top LI teams for 2023, one in particular has fallen off significantly b/c they held on too long to a core that was strong in 2016 & 2017 and haven't made the difficult decision of telling some of their 'A' players the truth.

This guy nailed it on the head! Complete accuracy.

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Anonymous #307510 08/18/20 09:42 AM
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Yes. The 91 goalie made a solid D1 program from their B team... the A team goalies were set before he joined the 91 program.

Yet, he was seen at his HS game ( against another player who was already committed to said school ) where he “stood on his head“ and the Assistant coach of that school was in attendance.

Can a player be recruited to a top school playing for a B team? Absolutely. Is it undoubtedly harder to be seen by college coaches on a B team? Absolutely, and for a multitude of reasons. Coaches can only see a finite number of games when attending tournaments since multiple games are going on at the same time. They want to see players playing against other high level teams bc A.) They get to see multiple recruitable players in a game and B.) If a player stands out, you know that it isn’t bc they are playing against a sub par team.

Bottom line is you have to do what is best for your kid and there is no wrong answer as to where you both decide where you want to play.

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Anonymous #307527 08/18/20 10:40 AM
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This is complete BS. Those public school kids still have to pass Admissions, still have to have the grades, still have to be NCAA eligible with a pairing of GPA and test scores to make them eligible. Those public school kids work very hard to get where they are going in D1, mostly in non-hot bed areas where they have spent their entire childhoods working on their own and putting in the time on the field and in the classroom. These kids are the very definition of hard work.
Maybe historically East coast prep schools sent the most kids to play D1, but times are changing and athletes are coming from all over the country ready to compete with any kid in college. To say that public school kids are not “prepared” to go to college because their parents can’t afford more than the average US citizens yearly take home pay in tuition is the most privileged statement I have ever heard. And the LAX community wonders why our sport is looked down upon by being a white rich kid sport. Stop perpetuating the idea that you have to be a prep school kid to be a successful athlete in college, that myth is debunked by every student athlete that graduates every year despite their parents income tax bracket and despite their high school.
Nothing is absolute, just like all the kids in prep schools who pay $65k a year that don’t get into a top level D1 programs.

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Yes. The 91 goalie made a solid D1 program from their B team... the A team goalies were set before he joined the 91 program.

Yet, he was seen at his HS game ( against another player who was already committed to said school ) where he “stood on his head“ and the Assistant coach of that school was in attendance.

Can a player be recruited to a top school playing for a B team? Absolutely. Is it undoubtedly harder to be seen by college coaches on a B team? Absolutely, and for a multitude of reasons. Coaches can only see a finite number of games when attending tournaments since multiple games are going on at the same time. They want to see players playing against other high level teams bc A.) They get to see multiple recruitable players in a game and B.) If a player stands out, you know that it isn’t bc they are playing against a sub par team.

Bottom line is you have to do what is best for your kid and there is no wrong answer as to where you both decide where you want to play.

My older son got recruited from going to a prospect camp. He was on a AA team in HS. The varsity coach was more beneficial to him than the thousands of dollars I spent on his travel team. Oh, and he was a starter.

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This is complete BS. Those public school kids still have to pass Admissions, still have to have the grades, still have to be NCAA eligible with a pairing of GPA and test scores to make them eligible. Those public school kids work very hard to get where they are going in D1, mostly in non-hot bed areas where they have spent their entire childhoods working on their own and putting in the time on the field and in the classroom. These kids are the very definition of hard work.
Maybe historically East coast prep schools sent the most kids to play D1, but times are changing and athletes are coming from all over the country ready to compete with any kid in college. To say that public school kids are not “prepared” to go to college because their parents can’t afford more than the average US citizens yearly take home pay in tuition is the most privileged statement I have ever heard. And the LAX community wonders why our sport is looked down upon by being a white rich kid sport. Stop perpetuating the idea that you have to be a prep school kid to be a successful athlete in college, that myth is debunked by every student athlete that graduates every year despite their parents income tax bracket and despite their high school.
Nothing is absolute, just like all the kids in prep schools who pay $65k a year that don’t get into a top level D1 programs.

The prep school truther apparently hasn't looked at a college lacrosse roster recently. Go pull up any Ivy, Big East, Big Ten or ACC roster, they're littered with kids who graduated from CSH, Garden City, Manhasset, Ward Melville, SWR, John Jay, Yorktown, Bronxville, Darien, Greenwich, etc...

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