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Re: Girls 2023-9th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020
Anonymous #302252 05/23/20 07:13 AM
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[quote=Anonymous]The only team that has demonstrated consistently, on a year to year basis, to be the best in the age group from LI is TG Black. YJ wants to combine clubs with Igloo and claim they are the best in the age group now but that time has come and gone...it is recruiting time.

TG Black has 4-5 of the best 2023's and one of the best 2024's in the country. As a coach, among coaches they are already on the radar of the top lax college programs. Coaches talk to each other. The list a coach makes on the sideline watching the games is the one that matters the most.

BOTC must have needed some increased traffic because polls of any kids that didn't play the season is worthless and is just a parent chest pounder. How many people can Sally call to get to vote for her. You guys must be bored.
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Can’t argue with that. TG has been best team for this age. YJ is now.
Both teams are excellent and Legacy is a close 3rd.
The polls are for fun and the best players in this class will make the UA team.
Be about 90% YJ and TG and a few kids from legacy


Not involved in this age group at all, but it sounds like YJ has taken over the spot as top team, but in the end it does not matter, the YJ players will get the benefit of the doubt in recruiting, way before TG. Historically YJ blows away TG in recruiting and this age group will likely prove to be no different. Even if the talent does not warrant this, it will happen. I know someone is going to claim college coaches recruit players, not teams! Believe me, there is no greater leapIng point to get on a coaches radar As a player, than being on the blue roster. For the top handful of players on each team, it probably makes no difference, but the bottom 3/4 of players from each team, coming from YJ is a huge advantage.


Clearly true every year! Even some of the B players will get the advantage over other clubs A teams. My daughter is not a YJ but I saw it happen in her age group.

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Re: Girls 2023-9th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020
TM@BOTC #302290 05/25/20 05:48 PM
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Just saw that UA tryout dates are starting to be announced, and the tournament date has been announced for early August, which is great news!! Just one thing I thought was odd. How is Thorn aloud to be a coach, and be involved in picking the team when her daughter will be most likely trying ou? Isn't that an obvious conflict of interest?

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Don't get too excited, NCAA meeting tomorrow to discuss whether dead period to be extended again.

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Anonymous #302297 05/26/20 07:02 AM
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Just saw that UA tryout dates are starting to be announced, and the tournament date has been announced for early August, which is great news!! Just one thing I thought was odd. How is Thorn aloud to be a coach, and be involved in picking the team when her daughter will be most likely trying ou? Isn't that an obvious conflict of interest?


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Anonymous #302304 05/26/20 08:54 AM
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Just saw that UA tryout dates are starting to be announced, and the tournament date has been announced for early August, which is great news!! Just one thing I thought was odd. How is Thorn aloud to be a coach, and be involved in picking the team when her daughter will be most likely trying ou? Isn't that an obvious conflict of interest?


You want things to be fair with zero nepotism?!?!?! What world are you living in?
Look at that list of coaches. Thorn isn't the only one with a conflict of interest

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TM@BOTC #302321 05/26/20 01:33 PM
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I’m just so glad my kid is a defender. Seems to be much less competition and backstabbing.
Although it does stink when your (NY based)team can’t score against Florida or Colorado teams and loses and there’s nothing you can really do to help with that problem. Defenders don’t get enough props.

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I’m just so glad my kid is a defender. Seems to be much less competition and backstabbing.
Although it does stink when your (NY based)team can’t score against Florida or Colorado teams and loses and there’s nothing you can really do to help with that problem. Defenders don’t get enough props.

[quote=Anonymous]I’m just so glad my kid is a defender. Seems to be much less competition and backstabbing.
Although it does stink when your (NY based)team can’t score against Florida or Colorado teams and loses and there’s nothing you can really do to help with that problem. Defenders don’t get enough props.

I didn’t realize Florida or Colorado had competitive teams in this age group

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Anonymous #302330 05/26/20 08:20 PM
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Just saw that UA tryout dates are starting to be announced, and the tournament date has been announced for early August, which is great news!! Just one thing I thought was odd. How is Thorn aloud to be a coach, and be involved in picking the team when her daughter will be most likely trying ou? Isn't that an obvious conflict of interest?


You want things to be fair with zero nepotism?!?!?! What world are you living in?
Look at that list of coaches. Thorn isn't the only one with a conflict of interest


the team isnt chosen by the coaches. UA/CSE has reps there that overlook the process. Usually anywhere from 8-12 evaluators that grades the girls after each scrimmage/game. Girls are broken into teams and let just let them play All the evaluators go into a room to go over the grades and come back and announce the top 40 or so for the call back game. I am not a fool, there is always some politics involved and YJ coach will have power to choose the bottom few spots.
Levy who is legacy was the head coach last summer for Command and the team was basically all YJ and TG. If the girl dominates and shows she is a top 10 player at the tryout, she will make the team.

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Anonymous #302333 05/27/20 04:58 AM
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[quote=Anonymous]Just saw that UA tryout dates are starting to be announced, and the tournament date has been announced for early August, which is great news!! Just one thing I thought was odd. How is Thorn aloud to be a coach, and be involved in picking the team when her daughter will be most likely trying ou? Isn't that an obvious conflict of interest?


You want things to be fair with zero nepotism?!?!?! What world are you living in?
Look at that list of coaches. Thorn isn't the only one with a conflict of interest


the team isnt chosen by the coaches. UA/CSE has reps there that overlook the process. Usually anywhere from 8-12 evaluators that grades the girls after each scrimmage/game. Girls are broken into teams and let just let them play All the evaluators go into a room to go over the grades and come back and announce the top 40 or so for the call back game. I am not a fool, there is always some politics involved and YJ coach will have power to choose the bottom few spots.
Levy who is legacy was the head coach last summer for Command and the team was basically all YJ and TG. If the girl dominates and shows she is a top 10 player at the tryout, she will make the team.

CR is the head of UA northeast. Negotiations when the coaches gather is based more on where they play then how they performed at the tryouts.

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Anonymous #302334 05/27/20 05:25 AM
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The team isn't chosen by the coaches. UA/CSE has reps that overlook the process. Usually anywhere from 8-12 evaluators grade the girls after each scrimmage/game. Girls are broken into teams and they play. All the evaluators go into a room to go over the grades and come back and announce the top 40 or so for the call back game. I am not a fool, there is always some politics involved and YJ coach will have power to choose the bottom few spots.
Levy who is with legacy, was the head coach last summer for Command and the team was basically all YJ and TG. If the girl dominates and shows she is a top 10 player at the tryout, she will make the team.[/quote]

You must've read that off their website. The reality is whoever that year's Coach is for that age group basically picks their favorites from their team. YJ selectors all pick their girls, regardless of what happens at tryouts. You couldn't find a more biased 'open' tryout. Save your money, look at the top 6-8 girls on both YJ and TG teams and combine them - there's your UAAA 2023 team. They should bring evaluators in from different regions to eliminate the obvious favoritism.

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The team isn't chosen by the coaches. UA/CSE has reps that overlook the process. Usually anywhere from 8-12 evaluators grade the girls after each scrimmage/game. Girls are broken into teams and they play. All the evaluators go into a room to go over the grades and come back and announce the top 40 or so for the call back game. I am not a fool, there is always some politics involved and YJ coach will have power to choose the bottom few spots.
Levy who is with legacy, was the head coach last summer for Command and the team was basically all YJ and TG. If the girl dominates and shows she is a top 10 player at the tryout, she will make the team.


You must've read that off their website. The reality is whoever that year's Coach is for that age group basically picks their favorites from their team. YJ selectors all pick their girls, regardless of what happens at tryouts. You couldn't find a more biased 'open' tryout. Save your money, look at the top 6-8 girls on both YJ and TG teams and combine them - there's your UAAA 2023 team. They should bring evaluators in from different regions to eliminate the obvious favoritism.


Happened in the South tryouts last year as well.

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TM@BOTC #302342 05/27/20 08:49 AM
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. They should bring evaluators in from different regions to eliminate the obvious favoritism.



And they would get it wrong too, you would need a week of tryouts to truly see who's who..

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. They should bring evaluators in from different regions to eliminate the obvious favoritism.



And they would get it wrong too, you would need a week of tryouts to truly see who's who..


Not true at all. A tryout should be for those girls who excel under the added pressure of being evaluated and who rise to the occasion. If they have a bad showing, that’s more fuel for the fire to do better next year. Most of these ‘elite’ teams are carried by those 2-3 truly exceptional players. The others are interchangeable and shouldn’t be favored over others at tryouts b/c they ride a certain team’s bench.

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. They should bring evaluators in from different regions to eliminate the obvious favoritism.


And they would get it wrong too, you would need a week of tryouts to truly see who's who..



So you think reputation and past play should be totally eliminated from the selection?? This team is the best of the best and they want to win. Do you want the girl who is a stand out HS player, and travel player the past couple years and cut her because she had an off day? The facts are this; the top 12-15 spots are slotted; the 23's who made it last year, and a few other spots taken by the girls we have seen stand out in this group for the past years. There are 7-10 spots open for this girls who can go down there and dominate and show that they can help the team win it all.

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Anonymous #302347 05/27/20 09:22 AM
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The team isn't chosen by the coaches. UA/CSE has reps that overlook the process. Usually anywhere from 8-12 evaluators grade the girls after each scrimmage/game. Girls are broken into teams and they play. All the evaluators go into a room to go over the grades and come back and announce the top 40 or so for the call back game. I am not a fool, there is always some politics involved and YJ coach will have power to choose the bottom few spots.
Levy who is with legacy, was the head coach last summer for Command and the team was basically all YJ and TG. If the girl dominates and shows she is a top 10 player at the tryout, she will make the team.


You must've read that off their website. The reality is whoever that year's Coach is for that age group basically picks their favorites from their team. YJ selectors all pick their girls, regardless of what happens at tryouts. You couldn't find a more biased 'open' tryout. Save your money, look at the top 6-8 girls on both YJ and TG teams and combine them - there's your UAAA 2023 team. They should bring evaluators in from different regions to eliminate the obvious favoritism.[/quote]


Even if your theory is correct; the tryout is 150-200 of the best girls on long island. Split into 6 or so teams and full field games run for hours... it's a great event for a girl to show she belongs even if she doesnt make the team. Most obviously dont make the team, and thats okay. Go into this with the mindset of trying to see how your daughter plays with and against the best in her age group in the mecca of lacrosse. I think confidence can be gained by playing well, and not be lost by not being one of the selected 23. Just a thought.

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