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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: Anonymous] #301106
04/08/20 04:08 PM
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Several years ago, soccer made the switch to a January 1st cutoff. There was some initial moaning, but that quickly died down and everyone just adapted. It's refreshing to watch kids play against others their own age.


Just not true. Soccer participation is down 4 years in a row and by about 700,000 over the last 4 years as reported by US Soccer Foundation and Aspen Institute.


I agree the soccer change was great and also eye opening. My kid got to play with kids in his grade/birthyear that he went to school with that he didn't before. His birthday was in June so he was use to playing with kids in the grade older before the cutoff change. My big takeaway from it was the kids that played UP had a much easier time while the kids that played down before found it harder playing against kids in their own birthyear/grade. Parents of the kids who were use to playing kids in the younger grade were constantly complaining about everything because their little superstar doesn't score 3 goals a game anymore. Its the coaches fault, other kids on the team don't pass, they are not playing the right position blah blah blah. The difference between the kids in the same birthyear isn't always 12 months. Its not like half the team was born on Jan 1 and the rest on Dec 1. Its usually a couple months. You can't tell me that holding back kids in youth sports isn't an unfair advantage because I saw what happened when kids got taken out of that in soccer and had to play against kids their own birth year. My takeaway was most of the kids who played up were much better off then the kids that played down when everything got evened out. Its funny how if you ask most kids around 9th grade if they would rather play up with Varsity vs stay down on JV most of them want to play up. I'm guessing most of the holdback's were put there by their crazy parents.

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: Anonymous] #301113
04/08/20 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is no argument at all. Holdback parents try so hard explaining there reasoning. It sounds comical.

My kid wants to play with classmates.
Answer. no, he will make new friends. Parents of kids in other sports have no choice. It’s age based.

My kid was academically/socially not ready at time kindergarten started, so we held him back.
Answer, I hope your son does well in life. No problem. However in youth sports, he still plays his age.

My family moved around a lot, needed to change schools. Had to redo 2nd grade.
Answer. Ok academically it’s more important, I hope he does well. I hope your new home is nice. However youth sports he plays his age.

My son has a birthday in July or August.
Answer. Sept 1st. That’s the cutoff date for this sport. That’s the way it goes. There has to be a date. Tell your son in 20 years to get his wife pregnant 8 months before cutoff date. This is the most ridiculous argument of them all.

My oldest sons birthday is in 2 weeks. APRIL. So he isn’t near cut off date. He plays with kids 8 months older. If I held him back according to cutoff date he would be 4 to 16 months older than everyone else. I’d be embarrassed being a dad on sideline watching my son do well against younger, smaller kids. They are little kids. It’s Youth sports If other dads had this way of thinking, this sport would be great. High school is different.



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This seems to be the most common thinking - except, when you actually go to the team's Teamsnap or whatever... the players all turn out to be 12-18 months older! It's really kind of embarrassing. That some parents hold multiple sons back... then try to rationalize why it was "better for the kid"

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: Anonymous] #301114
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Several years ago, soccer made the switch to a January 1st cutoff. There was some initial moaning, but that quickly died down and everyone just adapted. It's refreshing to watch kids play against others their own age.


Just not true. Soccer participation is down 4 years in a row and by about 700,000 over the last 4 years as reported by US Soccer Foundation and Aspen Institute.


Nope, it is nice watching true competition of all top soccer players within a year of each other. Instead of the constant who is playing down in lacrosse. With lacrosse players within a two year range all the while acting like they are within a year. LOL..

Go to any top soccer tournament. No mention of holdbacks playing down, NONE. Go to any Top lacrosse tournament, The holdback parents are closed mouth while many look on in disgust.

Lacrosse will take soccer numbers any day. More than 3-4 times play soccer than lacrosse in youth and as they get to adult, it isnt even close. Soccer shot itself in foot a few years ago with many areas going to Club only ( higher cost). Resulting in many players not participating due to costs and travel. Sound familiar.

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: lax516] #301145
04/09/20 07:41 PM
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For the life of me, I have never understood why people care so much about age in youth sports. Just play whoever shows up... my kids played on older teams or in older divisions most of their youth lives- it never mattered. sometimes they didn't win a game but had fun. when they played on-age and there were older kids, they usually were just bigger and stronger but never very good. never did I feel anything other than sadness for the older kids having to play with younger ones and feeling what I presume to be inadequate

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: lax516] #301149
04/10/20 05:25 AM
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The reality is holdbacks are better, and remain better throughout their playing days. It’s factual and can be easily researched. No one wants to hear it, but it’s true.

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04/10/20 09:11 AM
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My son is in his senior year at a public high school. Obviously he is bummed not playing this spring. I asked him ifhe ever plays vs. older kids. His response is yeah some are a year older. Granted my son isn't good enough to play in college but playing vs a kid a year older never bothered him but it bothered me. This year I realized if he's OK with it I should be too. Seems to be more of a private school thing where lacrosse is more important to parents than the kids.

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: lax516] #301154
04/10/20 09:13 AM
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Everyone knows that’s true. It’s simple logic. My 4th grade son is a good lacrosse player and a good soccer player. He is good, not great. Now if I tell my wife let’s hold him back a year,he will be great going against kids a year younger in lacrosse. She would think I’m crazy for suggesting something so notIntelligent, plus my son, who is a good student would be devastated. However as notIntelligent as that does sound, the fact is he would go from being a good 4th grade player, to next year being a great 4th grade player. At the end of the day, I also know this is so notIntelligent, so I wouldn’t even consider it. If he goes through his youth years being a good player and enjoys it, good for my son. If he becomes great, with practice, hard work and ability. Awesome. Kids who become great because mom and dad, decide to hold him back. Not so awesome. I’d use the word pathetic.

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: Anonymous] #301158
04/10/20 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone knows that’s true. It’s simple logic. My 4th grade son is a good lacrosse player and a good soccer player. He is good, not great. Now if I tell my wife let’s hold him back a year,he will be great going against kids a year younger in lacrosse. She would think I’m crazy for suggesting something so notIntelligent, plus my son, who is a good student would be devastated. However as notIntelligent as that does sound, the fact is he would go from being a good 4th grade player, to next year being a great 4th grade player. At the end of the day, I also know this is so notIntelligent, so I wouldn’t even consider it. If he goes through his youth years being a good player and enjoys it, good for my son. If he becomes great, with practice, hard work and ability. Awesome. Kids who become great because mom and dad, decide to hold him back. Not so awesome. I’d use the word pathetic.


A great player is a great player regardless of age of his/her competition. Comparative analysis vs other players of lesser or greater talent is silly. The player plays because of how the sport makes him feel when playing and to identify with the culture of the activity. Feeling that you are a good at something helps, feeling that you are learning something and becoming better helps even more.

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: Anonymous] #301159
04/10/20 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Everyone knows that’s true. It’s simple logic. My 4th grade son is a good lacrosse player and a good soccer player. He is good, not great. Now if I tell my wife let’s hold him back a year,he will be great going against kids a year younger in lacrosse. She would think I’m crazy for suggesting something so notIntelligent, plus my son, who is a good student would be devastated. However as notIntelligent as that does sound, the fact is he would go from being a good 4th grade player, to next year being a great 4th grade player. At the end of the day, I also know this is so notIntelligent, so I wouldn’t even consider it. If he goes through his youth years being a good player and enjoys it, good for my son. If he becomes great, with practice, hard work and ability. Awesome. Kids who become great because mom and dad, decide to hold him back. Not so awesome. I’d use the word pathetic.


I totally agree with you. In the long run, parents do what they feel is best for their kid. I'll tell you what, the few parents on my kids H.S. team who held their kid back. once they get on their soap box I turn around and walk away.

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: Anonymous] #301163
04/10/20 11:43 AM
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The reality is holdbacks are better, and remain better throughout their playing days. It’s factual and can be easily researched. No one wants to hear it, but it’s true.


Haha, that's a joke! Look at any D1 roster. They are loaded with holdbacks who don't play. Many of those kids were stars in HS because they had an age advantage. In college they are exposed for the bottom feeders that they (the parents) are. Granted there are some holdbacks that excel in college, but those kids would have been stars regardless of being heldback, for them, it's a shame their parents didn't believe in them. It's the ones whose parents thought they were gaming the system to get their kid recruited to sit on the pine that is revealing of the character of kid and parent. Karma! At least the kid can put on their resume that they were on the X lacrosse team!

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: lax516] #301164
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When kids go to college. Many kids redshirt a year. In football as well. Kids sometimes go to prep school, then college. Doing this, if it works for your kid, God bless. It’s the youth parent holding their kid back. This is the part that’s the problem. Not college. YOUTH is YOUTH. Kids should be the same age. There is no logical argument to say different. None. Zero. These are the facts. Baseball, soccer, football, hockey, basketball all have this factual information and corrected this. This is the one and only team sport at the youth level that hasn’t.

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Kids should be the same age. There is no logical argument to say different. None. Zero. These are the facts. Baseball, soccer, football, hockey, basketball all have this factual information and corrected this. This is the one and only team sport at the youth level that hasn’t.


Truth! I have not seen one legitimate argument for why lacrosse is so special that it has to be done by grade, not age.

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: cltlax] #301167
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Originally Posted by cltlax
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Kids should be the same age. There is no logical argument to say different. None. Zero. These are the facts. Baseball, soccer, football, hockey, basketball all have this factual information and corrected this. This is the one and only team sport at the youth level that hasn’t.


Truth! I have not seen one legitimate argument for why lacrosse is so special that it has to be done by grade, not age.


It's all is a reflection on the parents. I can't see the reasoning for doing it. Ok, the kid gets to play for a D1 school. what happens after that? So often, lacrosse consumed the kids life 24/7 from a very young age. In addition, the child most likely was never told "No" in regards to anything. So after D1 lacrosse, then what? I guess, live off the fat of mom and dad...

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: lax516] #301168
04/10/20 02:31 PM
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My son is the youngest kid on a team with Holdbacks. He plays, a lot. The team is ranked in the top 10. I told him, go beat everyone and anyone on the field if you want to play. Work harder then the older kids and the younger ones your age won't be a problem. He worked harder then the older ones and earned his time. Now I feel blessed he gets to absorb the skills playing along side older kids. Has anyone complaining thought to use it as a motivator. But the horse has been beaten, dug up, re beat and reburied on this subject. I get venting, but this thread reads like a knitting circle wrote it

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Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly! [Re: lax516] #301169
04/10/20 03:44 PM
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This thread has become boring to the point of being irrelevant. The non stop complaining about a kid who happens to be 6 or 9 months older then other kids being what justifies him being a superior player is dense and long in the tooth. My son plays basketball and lacrosse. He has kids who are young in both seasons who have or currently play-up in age and were/are top players. Likewise there are kids on these teams who are on grade but younger then others who are superior players. During the basketball season his team played against, and beat teams, that were a grade older then them. Why? The guys on his team, whether young or on grade, were better players then the other guys despite the other guys being older, a little bigger and stronger.

Likewise, when I was a kid I played both sandlot sports and organized sports. On the sand lot I played against guys 2 and 3 years older then me. Competing against these guys these guys “in no blood / no foul” games made me a much better player in organized sports despite me being a non “holdback” with an August birthday. During high school I was always one of the better players on the team, was a varsity basketball starter as a sophomore and team captain in my jr and sr years despite being way younger then the other guys on the team.

Sports, like in life, will see the cream rise. If your son or his team cannot hang against a team that has two or three kids 6 or 9 months older them him please accept the fact that your son or his team just are not as good as the other team. Constant blaming, crying or calling foul only demeans your son, his team and you. As the slogan goes - “Nobody cares, work harder!”

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