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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #293982
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What does one consider “making out very well” vs “benefit somewhat”. Serious question


Making out very well is getting an offer for full tuition or full ride offers. And yes they absolutely exist, despite the many who say they don’t . And benefit somewhat is the other end of the spectrum, I have heard of players taking spots with zero scholarship money, but feel that is uncommon. I do know many players in years past, filling some of the last roster spots in the 10-20% range as incoming freshman with room to improve based on performance , that would be benefiting somewhat.

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #293989
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A few additional stream of consciousness comments / observations / opinions:
- by my count, approx 150 girls have committed so far, 100+ "top" girls, and 40-50 that clearly knew early where they wanted to go
- the other place to follow commits, not previously mentioned above is sportsrecruits.com/committed (have to sort through all sports)
- i've noticed not all clubs post on website / twitter, for ex. - Capital and Skywalkers seem hard to track?
- my daughter committed earlier this week, and it was a bit of a roller coaster! 35 - 40 schools contacted her on 9/1. Of the top 15 (her list) that we expected going in, 12 reached out, 3 disappeared surprisingly, 3 top schools reached out out of the blue, and then 25 or so reached out that were further down her list. based on this she was pretty honest with the coaches about where they were on her list, and most were pretty good about same. Only 2 schools played out much differently than we expected.
- if a school has you in one of their top groups, they don't need to see you play again, and if you've been there previously, you don't really need to go again either
- regarding expanding your net - I would have the club coach reach out to the schools, perhaps they previously thought / were led to believe your daughter was focused on higher end lacrosse / higher academic, whatever. it won't matter, if they are interested, they won't worry about the why.
- I believe there are still at least 40 - 50 girls with high end offers in hand deciding this week and next, so this seems like the top 30 schools will be actively filling their spots up until the Nov tournaments
- really interesting to see the handful of top programs / names that are either going really slow or not getting any of their top targets ... (names withheld to protect the innocent wink

PS - I thought the MD data was interesting!


You make the assumption the club coach will help. What if they don't? And far as camps/clinics - If the top 30 are filled so don't waste your time money there at this point?

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #293990
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does one consider “making out very well” vs “benefit somewhat”. Serious question


Through my family's experience (realize others may have different experiences):

First of, a fully funded program has 12.6 scholarships available (not all programs are fully funded and Ivy's obviously work differently) that need to be spread across a full team/multiple grades. With that as perspective:


Top offers/top tier recruits: 50-75% of all expenses (tuition, books, room and board, etc.). 75% unusual b/c of spreading 12.6 full scholarships but not unheard of. Usually 1-2 kids per class in this bracket

Solid recruits/expect to contribute: 25-50%. Have seen this tier most typically offered 25-35%.

0-25%: Some money kid has potential but lower on the totem pole.

No money: like the kid, has some upside, willing to help them through admissions, but not offering them money. May have also been a late commit where money was already spoken for.

This is generally the framework the head of our club communicated to me as well. I realize others may have a different experience.

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What does one consider “making out very well” vs “benefit somewhat”. Serious question


Through my family's experience (realize others may have different experiences):

First of, a fully funded program has 12.6 scholarships available (not all programs are fully funded and Ivy's obviously work differently) that need to be spread across a full team/multiple grades. With that as perspective:


Top offers/top tier recruits: 50-75% of all expenses (tuition, books, room and board, etc.). 75% unusual b/c of spreading 12.6 full scholarships but not unheard of. Usually 1-2 kids per class in this bracket

Solid recruits/expect to contribute: 25-50%. Have seen this tier most typically offered 25-35%.

0-25%: Some money kid has potential but lower on the totem pole.

No money: like the kid, has some upside, willing to help them through admissions, but not offering them money. May have also been a late commit where money was already spoken for.

This is generally the framework the head of our club communicated to me as well. I realize others may have a different experience.


Correction to what I wrote above. A fully funded women's lacrosse program has 12 scholarships (NCAA limit) not 12.6 which is what the men have. So 12 scholarships to spread across a roster of typically 30-35 (some teams have larger rosters, some smaller). And not every kid gets a scholarship obviously.

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #293999
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does one consider “making out very well” vs “benefit somewhat”. Serious question


Here is an example of how the 12 athletic grants in aid (scholarships) at a fully funded program could possibly be allocated:

Every school and situation is different but If the 12 are spit over four years each coach has 3 scholarships to offer the incoming class. (that is simplified and not always the case)

- Top tier players i.e. top 30 caliber players, the type of player that is getting multiple offers from Top 10 programs.
50% and above.

- All other players could get anything or nothing.

Here is an example: (But remember the coach can split it any way they want.) and this does not include merit based academic scholarship or need based aid.

Top Recruit = 75%

player 2 = 50%

player 3 = 50%

player 4 = 25%

Player 5 = 25%

player 6 = 25%

player 7 = 25%

player 8 = 25%

Player 9 = 0

Player 10 = 0

The coaches have at their disposal the dollar equivalent of "the total cost to attend the university" that includes Tuition, Room, Board, Books etc... multiplied by the number of scholarships the "institution" allows the program to have. "Fully Funded" programs are allowed 12 "athletic" scholarships. Not all programs are fully funded.

Lets assume the the total cost to attend is $50,000

12 x 50,000 = $600,000 that the coach can divide up at their disposal. There is no standard each coach can do as they see fit.

Merit based "academic scholarships" can be combined with "athletic scholarships".

Need based "aid" can not be combined with "Athletic scholarships".

Ivys do not offer "Athletic Scholarships". Either you pay full freight or you receive "need based financial aid" Go to the schools website and plug your numbers into the Aid Calculator they are pretty accurate.

Northwestern, Notre Dame, Boston College, Duke, Georgetown etc... Also have aggressive need based aid. In fact I have known people who gave up their athletic scholarship because they qualified for need based aid and the need based aid was greater than the athletic scholarship.

Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia, Michigan, Penn State, Stony Brook etc... Are Public Universities and in general offer less in terms of merit based aid or need based aid.

Many, Many factor go into the equation. Grades, test scores, athletic ability, need etc...

See below re: Combining Athletic and Academic aid.

NCAA requirements to combine academic and athletic scholarships

Does the NCAA let you combine academic and athletic scholarships? Yes, but you have to earn it in the classroom. While Division I athletic scholarships are relatively easy to qualify for — you need to graduate high school, complete 16 core courses and earn a GPA of 2.3 —the criteria are significantly higher for student-athletes looking to secure non-athletic financial aid. To accept an academic scholarship as an incoming freshman, student-athletes need to meet the following criteria:

Division I:

Top 10 percent of high school graduating class
3.5 cumulative GPA out of 4.0
1200 SAT score/105 ACT sum score
Division II:

Top 20 percent of high school graduating class
3.5 cumulative GPA out of 4.0
1140 SAT score/100 ACT sum score
By imposing these requirements, the NCAA is preventing schools from using academic scholarships as a loophole to get athletes to compete at their school These requirements ensure athletes who combine athletic and academic aid truly deserve it. For this reason, athletes with impressive academics are especially valuable to coaches. If a coach is evaluating you and a comparable athlete to fill a positional need, good grades and test scores can give you an edge. The coach will make an offer to the recruit with better academics almost every time.

Good luck to all.

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #294000
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What does one consider “making out very well” vs “benefit somewhat”. Serious question


Here is an example of how the 12 athletic grants in aid (scholarships) at a fully funded program could possibly be allocated:

Every school and situation is different but If the 12 are spit over four years each coach has 3 scholarships to offer the incoming class. (that is simplified and not always the case)

- Top tier players i.e. top 30 caliber players, the type of player that is getting multiple offers from Top 10 programs.
50% and above.

- All other players could get anything or nothing.

Here is an example: (But remember the coach can split it any way they want.) and this does not include merit based academic scholarship or need based aid.

Top Recruit = 75%

player 2 = 50%

player 3 = 50%

player 4 = 25%

Player 5 = 25%

player 6 = 25%

player 7 = 25%

player 8 = 25%

Player 9 = 0

Player 10 = 0

The coaches have at their disposal the dollar equivalent of "the total cost to attend the university" that includes Tuition, Room, Board, Books etc... multiplied by the number of scholarships the "institution" allows the program to have. "Fully Funded" programs are allowed 12 "athletic" scholarships. Not all programs are fully funded.

Lets assume the the total cost to attend is $50,000

12 x 50,000 = $600,000 that the coach can divide up at their disposal. There is no standard each coach can do as they see fit.

Merit based "academic scholarships" can be combined with "athletic scholarships".

Need based "aid" can not be combined with "Athletic scholarships".

Ivys do not offer "Athletic Scholarships". Either you pay full freight or you receive "need based financial aid" Go to the schools website and plug your numbers into the Aid Calculator they are pretty accurate.

Northwestern, Notre Dame, Boston College, Duke, Georgetown etc... Also have aggressive need based aid. In fact I have known people who gave up their athletic scholarship because they qualified for need based aid and the need based aid was greater than the athletic scholarship.

Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia, Michigan, Penn State, Stony Brook etc... Are Public Universities and in general offer less in terms of merit based aid or need based aid.

Many, Many factor go into the equation. Grades, test scores, athletic ability, need etc...

See below re: Combining Athletic and Academic aid.

NCAA requirements to combine academic and athletic scholarships

Does the NCAA let you combine academic and athletic scholarships? Yes, but you have to earn it in the classroom. While Division I athletic scholarships are relatively easy to qualify for — you need to graduate high school, complete 16 core courses and earn a GPA of 2.3 —the criteria are significantly higher for student-athletes looking to secure non-athletic financial aid. To accept an academic scholarship as an incoming freshman, student-athletes need to meet the following criteria:

Division I:

Top 10 percent of high school graduating class
3.5 cumulative GPA out of 4.0
1200 SAT score/105 ACT sum score
Division II:

Top 20 percent of high school graduating class
3.5 cumulative GPA out of 4.0
1140 SAT score/100 ACT sum score
By imposing these requirements, the NCAA is preventing schools from using academic scholarships as a loophole to get athletes to compete at their school These requirements ensure athletes who combine athletic and academic aid truly deserve it. For this reason, athletes with impressive academics are especially valuable to coaches. If a coach is evaluating you and a comparable athlete to fill a positional need, good grades and test scores can give you an edge. The coach will make an offer to the recruit with better academics almost every time.

Good luck to all.


Athletes with very high test scores and grades can receive a lot of Academic $$ if they drop down a bet in terms of Academic School: Duke or Hopkins may not give you academic money but many other schools will.
High caliber athletes (the ones being offered $$ at Maryland, UNC, Northwestern, BC etc) can drop down a bit and receive significant $$.

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: TM@BOTC] #294006
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My grade schooler is interested in playing travel lacrosse in the Farmingdale area. We’ve never played before but she’s always been a top athlete in soccer and basketball. I heard the LI Yellow Jackets are the best club, but also that the owner Carol Rose is racist and perhaps even transgender too. Appears very possible based on internet pics of her (sorry but she looks like a dude) and the club (everyone looks alike). Also found Rose’s Twitter profile and saw that deplorably she’s an active supporter of the orange traitor in the White House. Not a character role model I want for my adopted immigrant daughter, but then it’s also clear that the Yellow Jackets are tremendously successful. I don’t think it’s right to fault the character of the entire club or the many other coaches without at least asking for honest feedback first. What’s been everyone’s experience?

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My grade schooler is interested in playing travel lacrosse in the Farmingdale area. We’ve never played before but she’s always been a top athlete in soccer and basketball. I heard the LI Yellow Jackets are the best club, but also that the owner Carol Rose is racist and perhaps even transgender too. Appears very possible based on internet pics of her (sorry but she looks like a dude) and the club (everyone looks alike). Also found Rose’s Twitter profile and saw that deplorably she’s an active supporter of the orange traitor in the White House. Not a character role model I want for my adopted immigrant daughter, but then it’s also clear that the Yellow Jackets are tremendously successful. I don’t think it’s right to fault the character of the entire club or the many other coaches without at least asking for honest feedback first. What’s been everyone’s experience?


No one respond to this, obviously just trying to incite or be funny.

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: TM@BOTC] #294027
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How do the moderators let the same guy post the same message on 5 different threads?

you guys wanna clean this up..

( I can copy and paste too)

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: TM@BOTC] #294028
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YJ's are the best although the double dipping by the owner by running all the tournaments the girls play in has always been shadey

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #294043
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
YJ's are the best although the double dipping by the owner by running all the tournaments the girls play in has always been shadey


You still pay to go to tournaments even if you clubs director had no stake in it, so what’s the difference. The only difference you should be concerned with is the college commitment list, compared to other clubs. Especially this year, staggering.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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YJ's are the best although the double dipping by the owner by running all the tournaments the girls play in has always been shadey


You still pay to go to tournaments even if you clubs director had no stake in it, so what’s the difference. The only difference you should be concerned with is the college commitment list, compared to other clubs. Especially this year, staggering.


Look at the lists for the last 15 years...staggering every year.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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YJ's are the best although the double dipping by the owner by running all the tournaments the girls play in has always been shadey


You still pay to go to tournaments even if you clubs director had no stake in it, so what’s the difference. The only difference you should be concerned with is the college commitment list, compared to other clubs. Especially this year, staggering.


Look at the lists for the last 15 years...staggering every year.


But....how many Teewaraton winners did they produce with all those elite #1 players? Zero, that’s right , not one could step up to the top spot! Lots of but kissing going on at YJ, I’d rather keep it real on a club that actually cares about the girls. No matter how many YJ groupies come around to recruit my daughter, the answer will still be no, we don’t play for pretenders, and my daughters commitment is just as “staggering” as some pesky insect that nobody has any use for

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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YJ's are the best although the double dipping by the owner by running all the tournaments the girls play in has always been shadey


You still pay to go to tournaments even if you clubs director had no stake in it, so what’s the difference. The only difference you should be concerned with is the college commitment list, compared to other clubs. Especially this year, staggering.


Look at the lists for the last 15 years...staggering every year.


But....how many Teewaraton winners did they produce with all those elite #1 players? Zero, that’s right , not one could step up to the top spot! Lots of but kissing going on at YJ, I’d rather keep it real on a club that actually cares about the girls. No matter how many YJ groupies come around to recruit my daughter, the answer will still be no, we don’t play for pretenders, and my daughters commitment is just as “staggering” as some pesky insect that nobody has any use for


SS was a YJ!

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Re: Girls 2021-11th Grade Fall 2019/Summer 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #294063
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The reality is there are plenty of kids getting need based grants from a lot of schools, but they don't care to talk about it and like to lump it all in as "scholarship money". At the end of the day who really cares what it's called if you're getting scholarships/grants to a school that you wanted to attend its all good

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