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Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity
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I find this discussion fascinating. Every team has some percentage of turn over every year. And given the landscape of entitled kids bred by stunad parents not sure player movement can be attributed to mistakes made by the previous club. When it comes to parents if you don't stroke them and tell them how special little Johnnie is 24/7 that club is evil and they look to move. Some clubs do employ the motto of having to have talent to attract talent while others develop it organically. Different models, different approaches each riddled with its fair share of draw backs and benefits which becomes illustrated by what parents enforce. Unfortunately you have a general population that know little about the sport, little about how to evaluate the right situation for their kid, and zero appetite to weather the storm of this long process.

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25 BL Academy.... half the team threatened to leave after the other half trash was fighting and making a spectacle at Hershey. Panic time....for someone. Maybe selling your soul for a win at youth lacrosse might not be good for business.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find this discussion fascinating. Every team has some percentage of turn over every year. And given the landscape of entitled kids bred by stunad parents not sure player movement can be attributed to mistakes made by the previous club. When it comes to parents if you don't stroke them and tell them how special little Johnnie is 24/7 that club is evil and they look to move. Some clubs do employ the motto of having to have talent to attract talent while others develop it organically. Different models, different approaches each riddled with its fair share of draw backs and benefits which becomes illustrated by what parents enforce. Unfortunately you have a general population that know little about the sport, little about how to evaluate the right situation for their kid, and zero appetite to weather the storm of this long process.




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You know every youth lacrosse coach laughs at the argument taking place on this board. Your "great" 12 year old is never the "great" 15 year old. Even if you look at the best area high schools for lax...it doesn't always match up with the best club teams in that same area.

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...testosterone. The great equalizer.

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https://phillylacrosse.com/2019/keating-after-many-stops-returns-as-st-josephs-prep-head-coach/

The Prep named Dan Keating as new head coach. I'm sure this guy is great, but there was an odd sentence in the article. Sounds like he just left Stockton to be a volunteer assistance coach at Bryant? He's in in 40's, has a family (mentioned in the article) with plenty of collegiate coaching experience - why would he need to or want to take a position as a volunteer assistance coach?

I read the Bryant article announcing his hiring and found it ironic that the head coach at Bryant mentioned his loyalty...sounds like that only lasted 6 weeks.

Anybody know what the real story is with this guy?

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https://phillylacrosse.com/2019/keating-after-many-stops-returns-as-st-josephs-prep-head-coach/

The Prep named Dan Keating as new head coach. I'm sure this guy is great, but there was an odd sentence in the article. Sounds like he just left Stockton to be a volunteer assistance coach at Bryant? He's in in 40's, has a family (mentioned in the article) with plenty of collegiate coaching experience - why would he need to or want to take a position as a volunteer assistance coach?

I read the Bryant article announcing his hiring and found it ironic that the head coach at Bryant mentioned his loyalty...sounds like that only lasted 6 weeks.

Anybody know what the real story is with this guy?


Agreed. I had to read the article twice because his resume was so confusing. Maybe he simply wants to be in Philly.
Bottom line is that St Joes Prep needs help. Other than La Salle, the Catholic League is not good lacrosse and SJP has fallen a lot since the glory days. Why are coaches at SJP for such short periods of time? Eric Gregg left in 2014. Then German came in for a brief time, then Delaney, then Gilbert and now Keeting. That's a lot of turnover. sudents / families must be frustrated with lack of consistency.

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BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?

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BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?


yeah...you have too much time on your hands. Go spend some time with your family instead of researching the results of Fall Ball Tourney's.

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BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?


NXT had a very weak schedule at the Jersey Invitational. Their first 2 games were against low B teams. The preds team they played was the C team. The O2 team was horrible.

The Freedom team you are talking about is Freedom White, their B team.

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NorthEastLaxer #296005 11/06/19 04:16 PM
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PA roughriders went 3-0 at IL invitational. Congrats on the reclass find who went to 1 practice. Does the kids and coach know his name? We know the director does....

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BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?


yeah...you have too much time on your hands. Go spend some time with your family instead of researching the results of Fall Ball Tourney's.


LOL @ the fall ball research comment. Freedom white (there B squad) was at Liberty. Thoughts, it is Fall Ball....not the best indicator of anything.

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B_O_T_C #296981 11/21/19 03:22 PM
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Seems so odd to me that Rising Sons hasn't posted one single kid signing their letter of intent, anyone else think that is super weird? Isn't the entire point of club teams to get kids onto college teams, and isn't this their first graduating class? And, don't they have all kinds of kids going to great schools? Why aren't they mentioning any of those kids?

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B_O_T_C #297026 11/22/19 10:07 PM
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says the inferior philly team

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says the inferior philly team


That has to be the oddest reply ever...

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