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Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for Boys from the class of 2024 in the Mid-Atlantic region.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


Mine will still be 16 when he starts his senior year in high school

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


Mine will still be 16 when he starts his senior year in high school



I think all the top private school conferences (IAC, WCAC, MIAA, etc) in the DMV have rules that deny eligibility to a senior who turns 19 by September 1 of senior year. And I’ve never heard of that happening (I know some kids will do a PG year at boarding school but that’s exactly what it is, a post graduate year). My son is one of the oldest kids on his 2024 team and he is already 14. 16 can’t be right.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


You shouldnt call out anyone. Your son is getting an advantage the majority of children dont get. Playing down in age. The majority of children born on your sons same birthday will never get that advantage in YOUTH sports. You always will. Your only complaint is that someone is doing it more than you. Hilarious.

The holdback/reclass/prefirst lacrosse world is really getting bad when the holdbacks start calling out the other holdbacks for being to old !!

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


Mine will still be 16 when he starts his senior year in high school


That is actually young. Majority of students will be 17 on first day and turn 18 during school year and that summer.

Now if you go to any MIAA Private School ..The odds are that you will be 18 at beginning of year and turn 19 during school year, especially Boys

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My son is senior as of Sept 1. He turned 18 this summer. Yes, he is a holdback, doesn’t matter the reason.
His best friend will also be a senior. He won’t turn 17 until the end of December.
Imagine that, they get along. Why can’t all of you?

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If your reason what ever it is, is for anything other then sports great. He should still play on his appropriate age level in club sports. It’s a choice to play down not automatic because he was held back. Play up and that’s commendable, play down that’s embarrassing.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


Mine will still be 16 when he starts his senior year in high school



I think all the top private school conferences (IAC, WCAC, MIAA, etc) in the DMV have rules that deny eligibility to a senior who turns 19 by September 1 of senior year. And I’ve never heard of that happening (I know some kids will do a PG year at boarding school but that’s exactly what it is, a post graduate year). My son is one of the oldest kids on his 2024 team and he is already 14. 16 can’t be right.


They do. The double hold back is a myth. My 2024 is the youngest of 3 boys that have gone thru the club circuit. I've coached the older 2 until HS so I had a pretty good idea of birthdays because of tryout registration lists. The worst I've seen is a sept birthday that was held back. That kid would have been one of the oldest in his natural grade. A kid like that would be around 2 years older than kids in the same grade where the school cutoff is dec or jan. For instance a sept 05 in NY would be a 2023. MD kid with Sept 05 would naturally be 2024 but if held back once would be 2026. This 2 year gap is extreme and rare but does happen and plays into the perception of double hold backs. Lacrosse should have 9/1 age cutoff until 8th grade

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


You shouldnt call out anyone. Your son is getting an advantage the majority of children dont get. Playing down in age. The majority of children born on your sons same birthday will never get that advantage in YOUTH sports. You always will. Your only complaint is that someone is doing it more than you. Hilarious.

The holdback/reclass/prefirst lacrosse world is really getting bad when the holdbacks start calling out the other holdbacks for being to old !!


I am all for age based lacrosse. My son would be fine either way and I could careless why a parent holds their kid back (we had ours and the decision was well before he picked up a lacrosse stick). It's their decision, just like it was ours. Does it happen to work in my favor sure but we made the decision in KG, not middle school. So sports had zero factor and I have no issue a parent holds a kid back a year for sports. If you have to hold a kid back 2 years, then I have an issue but my concern is equal to choosing Diet Coke or Pepsi for lunch. At the end of the day if your kid is going to be 20 when he or she graduates (sports or no sports) they should be going to PG instead of being held back another year. As others mentioned he is more than likely not even eligible to play his senior year due to his age.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


You shouldnt call out anyone. Your son is getting an advantage the majority of children dont get. Playing down in age. The majority of children born on your sons same birthday will never get that advantage in YOUTH sports. You always will. Your only complaint is that someone is doing it more than you. Hilarious.

The holdback/reclass/prefirst lacrosse world is really getting bad when the holdbacks start calling out the other holdbacks for being to old !!


I am all for age based lacrosse. My son would be fine either way and I could careless why a parent holds their kid back (we had ours and the decision was well before he picked up a lacrosse stick). It's their decision, just like it was ours. Does it happen to work in my favor sure but we made the decision in KG, not middle school. So sports had zero factor and I have no issue a parent holds a kid back a year for sports. If you have to hold a kid back 2 years, then I have an issue but my concern is equal to choosing Diet Coke or Pepsi for lunch. At the end of the day if your kid is going to be 20 when he or she graduates (sports or no sports) they should be going to PG instead of being held back another year. As others mentioned he is more than likely not even eligible to play his senior year due to his age.



The thing people have to remember is that the rules use to allow recruitment in 8 and 9th grade, so who cares if they can not play their senior year, worst case there are club tournaments. Now the rules have changed, it still does not matter because if the kid is good he will commit as a Jr and not have to play Sr year anyway. So being 20 and a Sr does not really matter......

Now for some real talk (as the boys say).....These boys are in 8th grade, its time to forget the HB argument. I agree that 16 is ridiculous, and yes it happens, last year the 2023 Crabs and Madlax Dogs, both had multiple 16 year olds, so its not something new. also remember that some of the kids that you are referring to played against you last year and they were already 2 years older than your kid, so why complain now. Here is the thing if we are having this discussion it means that next year we are hoping that our kids play Varsity or worst case JV, but the kids they will be playing with and against will be 3 to 4 years older (sophomores, juniors & seniors) and would have been working out for years (bigger faster stranger).

Recommendation: Use this year to prepare for next year because its going to come very quickly (unfortunately) and if your son is still whining about holdbacks or even has that in his head he won't make it in HS Lax, as there will always be kids much older.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


You shouldnt call out anyone. Your son is getting an advantage the majority of children dont get. Playing down in age. The majority of children born on your sons same birthday will never get that advantage in YOUTH sports. You always will. Your only complaint is that someone is doing it more than you. Hilarious.

The holdback/reclass/prefirst lacrosse world is really getting bad when the holdbacks start calling out the other holdbacks for being to old !!


I am all for age based lacrosse. My son would be fine either way and I could careless why a parent holds their kid back (we had ours and the decision was well before he picked up a lacrosse stick). It's their decision, just like it was ours. Does it happen to work in my favor sure but we made the decision in KG, not middle school. So sports had zero factor and I have no issue a parent holds a kid back a year for sports. If you have to hold a kid back 2 years, then I have an issue but my concern is equal to choosing Diet Coke or Pepsi for lunch. At the end of the day if your kid is going to be 20 when he or she graduates (sports or no sports) they should be going to PG instead of being held back another year. As others mentioned he is more than likely not even eligible to play his senior year due to his age.



The thing people have to remember is that the rules use to allow recruitment in 8 and 9th grade, so who cares if they can not play their senior year, worst case there are club tournaments. Now the rules have changed, it still does not matter because if the kid is good he will commit as a Jr and not have to play Sr year anyway. So being 20 and a Sr does not really matter......

Now for some real talk (as the boys say).....These boys are in 8th grade, its time to forget the HB argument. I agree that 16 is ridiculous, and yes it happens, last year the 2023 Crabs and Madlax Dogs, both had multiple 16 year olds, so its not something new. also remember that some of the kids that you are referring to played against you last year and they were already 2 years older than your kid, so why complain now. Here is the thing if we are having this discussion it means that next year we are hoping that our kids play Varsity or worst case JV, but the kids they will be playing with and against will be 3 to 4 years older (sophomores, juniors & seniors) and would have been working out for years (bigger faster stranger).

Recommendation: Use this year to prepare for next year because its going to come very quickly (unfortunately) and if your son is still whining about holdbacks or even has that in his head he won't make it in HS Lax, as there will always be kids much older.




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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


You shouldnt call out anyone. Your son is getting an advantage the majority of children dont get. Playing down in age. The majority of children born on your sons same birthday will never get that advantage in YOUTH sports. You always will. Your only complaint is that someone is doing it more than you. Hilarious.

The holdback/reclass/prefirst lacrosse world is really getting bad when the holdbacks start calling out the other holdbacks for being to old !!


I am all for age based lacrosse. My son would be fine either way and I could careless why a parent holds their kid back (we had ours and the decision was well before he picked up a lacrosse stick). It's their decision, just like it was ours. Does it happen to work in my favor sure but we made the decision in KG, not middle school. So sports had zero factor and I have no issue a parent holds a kid back a year for sports. If you have to hold a kid back 2 years, then I have an issue but my concern is equal to choosing Diet Coke or Pepsi for lunch. At the end of the day if your kid is going to be 20 when he or she graduates (sports or no sports) they should be going to PG instead of being held back another year. As others mentioned he is more than likely not even eligible to play his senior year due to his age.



The thing people have to remember is that the rules use to allow recruitment in 8 and 9th grade, so who cares if they can not play their senior year, worst case there are club tournaments. Now the rules have changed, it still does not matter because if the kid is good he will commit as a Jr and not have to play Sr year anyway. So being 20 and a Sr does not really matter......

Now for some real talk (as the boys say).....These boys are in 8th grade, its time to forget the HB argument. I agree that 16 is ridiculous, and yes it happens, last year the 2023 Crabs and Madlax Dogs, both had multiple 16 year olds, so its not something new. also remember that some of the kids that you are referring to played against you last year and they were already 2 years older than your kid, so why complain now. Here is the thing if we are having this discussion it means that next year we are hoping that our kids play Varsity or worst case JV, but the kids they will be playing with and against will be 3 to 4 years older (sophomores, juniors & seniors) and would have been working out for years (bigger faster stranger).

Recommendation: Use this year to prepare for next year because its going to come very quickly (unfortunately) and if your son is still whining about holdbacks or even has that in his head he won't make it in HS Lax, as there will always be kids much older.




Best response ever!!!


The lack of intelligence on this thread amazes me. 95% of the holdbacks advantage has disappeared by the Spring of his junior year, the exact time when most players start getting playing time on top HS teams. Like a puff of smoke, that advantage which by that point has been waining for years, has now basically completely disappeared. The advantage which was the sole reason most holdbacks get any playing time at all during their youth years is now gone. Now the substandard athlete is completely exposed for what he has always been. The only wining you will be hearing in HS, is from your substandard-athlete-kid-holdback, as he rides the pines during the only time in his career that actually matters. That’s right, daddy-o his playing days are numbered. It’s a slow steady decline, the rest of the way.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


You shouldnt call out anyone. Your son is getting an advantage the majority of children dont get. Playing down in age. The majority of children born on your sons same birthday will never get that advantage in YOUTH sports. You always will. Your only complaint is that someone is doing it more than you. Hilarious.

The holdback/reclass/prefirst lacrosse world is really getting bad when the holdbacks start calling out the other holdbacks for being to old !!


I am all for age based lacrosse. My son would be fine either way and I could careless why a parent holds their kid back (we had ours and the decision was well before he picked up a lacrosse stick). It's their decision, just like it was ours. Does it happen to work in my favor sure but we made the decision in KG, not middle school. So sports had zero factor and I have no issue a parent holds a kid back a year for sports. If you have to hold a kid back 2 years, then I have an issue but my concern is equal to choosing Diet Coke or Pepsi for lunch. At the end of the day if your kid is going to be 20 when he or she graduates (sports or no sports) they should be going to PG instead of being held back another year. As others mentioned he is more than likely not even eligible to play his senior year due to his age.



The thing people have to remember is that the rules use to allow recruitment in 8 and 9th grade, so who cares if they can not play their senior year, worst case there are club tournaments. Now the rules have changed, it still does not matter because if the kid is good he will commit as a Jr and not have to play Sr year anyway. So being 20 and a Sr does not really matter......

Now for some real talk (as the boys say).....These boys are in 8th grade, its time to forget the HB argument. I agree that 16 is ridiculous, and yes it happens, last year the 2023 Crabs and Madlax Dogs, both had multiple 16 year olds, so its not something new. also remember that some of the kids that you are referring to played against you last year and they were already 2 years older than your kid, so why complain now. Here is the thing if we are having this discussion it means that next year we are hoping that our kids play Varsity or worst case JV, but the kids they will be playing with and against will be 3 to 4 years older (sophomores, juniors & seniors) and would have been working out for years (bigger faster stranger).

Recommendation: Use this year to prepare for next year because its going to come very quickly (unfortunately) and if your son is still whining about holdbacks or even has that in his head he won't make it in HS Lax, as there will always be kids much older.




Best response ever!!!


The lack of intelligence on this thread amazes me. 95% of the holdbacks advantage has disappeared by the Spring of his junior year, the exact time when most players start getting playing time on top HS teams. Like a puff of smoke, that advantage which by that point has been waining for years, has now basically completely disappeared. The advantage which was the sole reason most holdbacks get any playing time at all during their youth years is now gone. Now the substandard athlete is completely exposed for what he has always been. The only wining you will be hearing in HS, is from your substandard-athlete-kid-holdback, as he rides the pines during the only time in his career that actually matters. That’s right, daddy-o his playing days are numbered. It’s a slow steady decline, the rest of the way.




So basically, you and you son(s) will whine about Holdbacks for the next 3 years? Remember there are hold backs in 2025 that may be a year older than your son, so sonny will also loose his advantage too and continue to ride the pine ... now that stinks....

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


You shouldnt call out anyone. Your son is getting an advantage the majority of children dont get. Playing down in age. The majority of children born on your sons same birthday will never get that advantage in YOUTH sports. You always will. Your only complaint is that someone is doing it more than you. Hilarious.

The holdback/reclass/prefirst lacrosse world is really getting bad when the holdbacks start calling out the other holdbacks for being to old !!


I am all for age based lacrosse. My son would be fine either way and I could careless why a parent holds their kid back (we had ours and the decision was well before he picked up a lacrosse stick). It's their decision, just like it was ours. Does it happen to work in my favor sure but we made the decision in KG, not middle school. So sports had zero factor and I have no issue a parent holds a kid back a year for sports. If you have to hold a kid back 2 years, then I have an issue but my concern is equal to choosing Diet Coke or Pepsi for lunch. At the end of the day if your kid is going to be 20 when he or she graduates (sports or no sports) they should be going to PG instead of being held back another year. As others mentioned he is more than likely not even eligible to play his senior year due to his age.



The thing people have to remember is that the rules use to allow recruitment in 8 and 9th grade, so who cares if they can not play their senior year, worst case there are club tournaments. Now the rules have changed, it still does not matter because if the kid is good he will commit as a Jr and not have to play Sr year anyway. So being 20 and a Sr does not really matter......

Now for some real talk (as the boys say).....These boys are in 8th grade, its time to forget the HB argument. I agree that 16 is ridiculous, and yes it happens, last year the 2023 Crabs and Madlax Dogs, both had multiple 16 year olds, so its not something new. also remember that some of the kids that you are referring to played against you last year and they were already 2 years older than your kid, so why complain now. Here is the thing if we are having this discussion it means that next year we are hoping that our kids play Varsity or worst case JV, but the kids they will be playing with and against will be 3 to 4 years older (sophomores, juniors & seniors) and would have been working out for years (bigger faster stranger).

Recommendation: Use this year to prepare for next year because its going to come very quickly (unfortunately) and if your son is still whining about holdbacks or even has that in his head he won't make it in HS Lax, as there will always be kids much older.




Best response ever!!!


The lack of intelligence on this thread amazes me. 95% of the holdbacks advantage has disappeared by the Spring of his junior year, the exact time when most players start getting playing time on top HS teams. Like a puff of smoke, that advantage which by that point has been waining for years, has now basically completely disappeared. The advantage which was the sole reason most holdbacks get any playing time at all during their youth years is now gone. Now the substandard athlete is completely exposed for what he has always been. The only wining you will be hearing in HS, is from your substandard-athlete-kid-holdback, as he rides the pines during the only time in his career that actually matters. That’s right, daddy-o his playing days are numbered. It’s a slow steady decline, the rest of the way.




wow.. harsh reality check! you sure don't sugarcoat. this particular thread is gold since this is our boys' last year before hs. let's hear more.

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So basically, you and you son(s) will whine about Holdbacks for the next 3 years? Remember there are hold backs in 2025 that may be a year older than your son, so sonny will also loose his advantage too and continue to ride the pine ... now that stinks....


The reality is what it is, it is within the current rules. No amount of "whining" will change it. But it's human nature to rage (e.g. whine) against sense of injustice, lacking of fair play and even playing field, irregardless of being warranted or not. It's completely based on that emotion and nothing more, and it is impossible to repress (at least for another 3 years).

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


Mine will still be 16 when he starts his senior year in high school


That is actually young. Majority of students will be 17 on first day and turn 18 during school year and that summer.

Now if you go to any MIAA Private School ..The odds are that you will be 18 at beginning of year and turn 19 during school year, especially Boys


I am confident my son will end up at an MIAA school. He plays on one of the teams in the elite division. He has teammates 18 months older than him. A lot are a full year older than him(and on age). If my son was in the 2025 class like he should be, and I then reclassed him into 2026, I am sure right now he would be one of the best players in the country. I can't deny reclassing works if your goal is to be a better player in your grade.

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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


Mine will still be 16 when he starts his senior year in high school


That is actually young. Majority of students will be 17 on first day and turn 18 during school year and that summer.

Now if you go to any MIAA Private School ..The odds are that you will be 18 at beginning of year and turn 19 during school year, especially Boys


I am confident my son will end up at an MIAA school. He plays on one of the teams in the elite division. He has teammates 18 months older than him. A lot are a full year older than him(and on age). If my son was in the 2025 class like he should be, and I then reclassed him into 2026, I am sure right now he would be one of the best players in the country. I can't deny reclassing works if your goal is to be a better player in your grade.


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I'm not going to call out the name of the club (in fear that the kid will drive over and kick my butt) but how can a kid that will be 16 during the school year be eligible to play at the 24 age group? I have no issue with being held back a year. My son has a summer birthday and was held back in KG (to give him a head start in tinker toys) but 2 years is a bit excessive. I mean he will literally be 20 years old when he graduates.


Mine will still be 16 when he starts his senior year in high school


That is actually young. Majority of students will be 17 on first day and turn 18 during school year and that summer.

Now if you go to any MIAA Private School ..The odds are that you will be 18 at beginning of year and turn 19 during school year, especially Boys


I am confident my son will end up at an MIAA school. He plays on one of the teams in the elite division. He has teammates 18 months older than him. A lot are a full year older than him(and on age). If my son was in the 2025 class like he should be, and I then reclassed him into 2026, I am sure right now he would be one of the best players in the country. I can't deny reclassing works if your goal is to be a better player in your grade.


You need to finish that sentence... "if you want your kid to be a better player in his grade".. DURING HIS YOUTH YEARS. Beginning with Junior year, your BIG STUD 7th grader could very well be the smallest kid on the team, even though he is still a year older than everyone else. And since he no longer has the advantage that you gave him during the youth years, most kids on the team will be better than he is, since he was really never that good of a player, without the advantage. So, yeah, if you want to give your kid an unfair advantage during a time that is completely meaningless, and waste a year of the kids life in the process, then be my guest. In the end, father time will catch up with him and everyone else, and water will ultimately seek it's correct level. Suffice to say... no D1 scholarship for you!!

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So basically, you and you son(s) will whine about Holdbacks for the next 3 years? Remember there are hold backs in 2025 that may be a year older than your son, so sonny will also loose his advantage too and continue to ride the pine ... now that stinks....


The reality is what it is, it is within the current rules. No amount of "whining" will change it. But it's human nature to rage (e.g. whine) against sense of injustice, lacking of fair play and even playing field, irregardless of being warranted or not. It's completely based on that emotion and nothing more, and it is impossible to repress (at least for another 3 years).


I'm curious... a question for all you holdback parents out there... let's jump ahead a couple of years and it's now the Junior year in HS for your holdback kid, and you are faced with the stark reality that he is no longer one of the largest players on the field. In fact, maybe he is one of the smallest kids out there. As a result, your youth stud is now an inconsequential player, struggling just to make the HS team. What then? What is your Plan B? Hold him back again?? FYI. Too late for that, right? That ship has sailed. Now what??

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How did Next Level tryouts look? When does Next Level announce its rosters?

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So basically, you and you son(s) will whine about Holdbacks for the next 3 years? Remember there are hold backs in 2025 that may be a year older than your son, so sonny will also loose his advantage too and continue to ride the pine ... now that stinks....


The reality is what it is, it is within the current rules. No amount of "whining" will change it. But it's human nature to rage (e.g. whine) against sense of injustice, lacking of fair play and even playing field, irregardless of being warranted or not. It's completely based on that emotion and nothing more, and it is impossible to repress (at least for another 3 years).


I'm curious... a question for all you holdback parents out there... let's jump ahead a couple of years and it's now the Junior year in HS for your holdback kid, and you are faced with the stark reality that he is no longer one of the largest players on the field. In fact, maybe he is one of the smallest kids out there. As a result, your youth stud is now an inconsequential player, struggling just to make the HS team. What then? What is your Plan B? Hold him back again?? FYI. Too late for that, right? That ship has sailed. Now what??




He finishes up high school and goes to college, gets a solid education and eventually becomes a productive citizen.

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So basically, you and you son(s) will whine about Holdbacks for the next 3 years? Remember there are hold backs in 2025 that may be a year older than your son, so sonny will also loose his advantage too and continue to ride the pine ... now that stinks....


The reality is what it is, it is within the current rules. No amount of "whining" will change it. But it's human nature to rage (e.g. whine) against sense of injustice, lacking of fair play and even playing field, irregardless of being warranted or not. It's completely based on that emotion and nothing more, and it is impossible to repress (at least for another 3 years).


I'm curious... a question for all you holdback parents out there... let's jump ahead a couple of years and it's now the Junior year in HS for your holdback kid, and you are faced with the stark reality that he is no longer one of the largest players on the field. In fact, maybe he is one of the smallest kids out there. As a result, your youth stud is now an inconsequential player, struggling just to make the HS team. What then? What is your Plan B? Hold him back again?? FYI. Too late for that, right? That ship has sailed. Now what??


This year and next year are the two big years for reclass. Prefirsts are already in the holdback book.

First, Holding back works for most players. Especially in youth. And Frankly, sorry to tell you this, but it works in High School too. Does it work for everyone, of course not. But lacrosse is land of a huge amount 5-8 to 5-11 similar skilled athletes. Give them one extra year and he is better than others. If you are the rare highly skilled athlete, you are playing football, BB or ever rarer playing lacrosse which means you could care less about the holdbacks . And if heldback, you are a man among children.

My advice is, if your son is serious about playing at a High Level , Hold him back. Look at all the top clubs , Full of holdbacks. These are the boys getting offers. This baloney about everyone getting bigger and passing holdbacks is true only sometimes, but for the most part, holdbacks keep their starting position.

Look at Dukes Roster ( Birthdays for most players) if you think holding back doesn't filter up to college. I just looked at two starting D poles. One is a single holdback and the other is a double holdback ( maybe redshirted ??) . Then i looked at their top middie and he is a holdback. I looked at top attackman and he is a double holdback ( maybe redshirted) .. These are based on age, I have no idea why they are older, maybe redshirt, held back HS, prefirst, etc but bottom line is they are older.

Saying all this , I do think it is sad . At HS and above it is what it is by grade. But Youth should be by age, Youth Lacrosse is the poster child for all that is wrong in youth sports.

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So basically, you and you son(s) will whine about Holdbacks for the next 3 years? Remember there are hold backs in 2025 that may be a year older than your son, so sonny will also loose his advantage too and continue to ride the pine ... now that stinks....


The reality is what it is, it is within the current rules. No amount of "whining" will change it. But it's human nature to rage (e.g. whine) against sense of injustice, lacking of fair play and even playing field, irregardless of being warranted or not. It's completely based on that emotion and nothing more, and it is impossible to repress (at least for another 3 years).


I'm curious... a question for all you holdback parents out there... let's jump ahead a couple of years and it's now the Junior year in HS for your holdback kid, and you are faced with the stark reality that he is no longer one of the largest players on the field. In fact, maybe he is one of the smallest kids out there. As a result, your youth stud is now an inconsequential player, struggling just to make the HS team. What then? What is your Plan B? Hold him back again?? FYI. Too late for that, right? That ship has sailed. Now what??


This year and next year are the two big years for reclass. Prefirsts are already in the holdback book.

First, Holding back works for most players. Especially in youth. And Frankly, sorry to tell you this, but it works in High School too. Does it work for everyone, of course not. But lacrosse is land of a huge amount 5-8 to 5-11 similar skilled athletes. Give them one extra year and he is better than others. If you are the rare highly skilled athlete, you are playing football, BB or ever rarer playing lacrosse which means you could care less about the holdbacks . And if heldback, you are a man among children.

My advice is, if your son is serious about playing at a High Level , Hold him back. Look at all the top clubs , Full of holdbacks. These are the boys getting offers. This baloney about everyone getting bigger and passing holdbacks is true only sometimes, but for the most part, holdbacks keep their starting position.

Look at Dukes Roster ( Birthdays for most players) if you think holding back doesn't filter up to college. I just looked at two starting D poles. One is a single holdback and the other is a double holdback ( maybe redshirted ??) . Then i looked at their top middie and he is a holdback. I looked at top attackman and he is a double holdback ( maybe redshirted) .. These are based on age, I have no idea why they are older, maybe redshirt, held back HS, prefirst, etc but bottom line is they are older.

Saying all this , I do think it is sad . At HS and above it is what it is by grade. But Youth should be by age, Youth Lacrosse is the poster child for all that is wrong in youth sports.




Read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.. maybe he was on to something.. maybe not.. who really knows.

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Read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.. maybe he was on to something.. maybe not.. who really knows. [/quote]

It's a good read, I read it last year while my kid was driving us to practice and games

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.

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First, Holding back works for most players. Especially in youth. And Frankly, sorry to tell you this, but it works in High School too. Does it work for everyone, of course not. But lacrosse is land of a huge amount 5-8 to 5-11 similar skilled athletes. Give them one extra year and he is better than others. If you are the rare highly skilled athlete, you are playing football, BB or ever rarer playing lacrosse which means you could care less about the holdbacks . And if heldback, you are a man among children.

My advice is, if your son is serious about playing at a High Level , Hold him back. Look at all the top clubs , Full of holdbacks. These are the boys getting offers. This baloney about everyone getting bigger and passing holdbacks is true only sometimes, but for the most part, holdbacks keep their starting position.

Look at Dukes Roster ( Birthdays for most players) if you think holding back doesn't filter up to college. I just looked at two starting D poles. One is a single holdback and the other is a double holdback ( maybe redshirted ??) . Then i looked at their top middie and he is a holdback. I looked at top attackman and he is a double holdback ( maybe redshirted) .. These are based on age, I have no idea why they are older, maybe redshirt, held back HS, prefirst, etc but bottom line is they are older.

Saying all this , I do think it is sad . At HS and above it is what it is by grade. But Youth should be by age, Youth Lacrosse is the poster child for all that is wrong in youth sports.
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THIS COMMENT IS SPOT-ON.

Holding back works in lacrosse if your goal is to be on the best club teams and increase chances for a scholarship. It is a sport dominated by mediocre sized priviledged kids who are not elite athletes and, therefore, age and opportunity are the biggest factors in success.

But the major effect holding back has on a child is detrimental-- which is why Am Assoc of Pediatrics officially recommends against it. Kids who are held back regress in life-- they dense themselves down. They acquire bad coping skills.

But try telling that to dads who feel their kid isn't mature enough yet for KG.

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THIS COMMENT IS SPOT-ON.

Holding back works in lacrosse if your goal is to be on the best club teams and increase chances for a scholarship. It is a sport dominated by mediocre sized priviledged kids who are not elite athletes and, therefore, age and opportunity are the biggest factors in success.

But the major effect holding back has on a child is detrimental-- which is why Am Assoc of Pediatrics officially recommends against it. Kids who are held back regress in life-- they dense themselves down. They acquire bad coping skills.

But try telling that to dads who feel their kid isn't mature enough yet for KG.



DMV and NE, are you reading this?

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.



Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.



Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?


If the rumors I am hearing about NL are true they make a huge jump. Maybe all the way to #2. I've got my top five as Madlax, NL (big unknown, could really shake things up this year), Looneys (based on summer play), T91 MD (MM seems less interested in this team now that he is more focused on 23 and 25), Hawks (all about match ups, eg, they tend to play ML close, can beat any team any weekend).

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.



Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?

This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.



Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?

This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?


Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.



Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?

This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?


Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.


From what I am hearing, he has always played up (you should ask you son to confirm) and now that 2023 is HS he has to play with the 24s. If this is true, it really won't matter as you will still complain.

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.



Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?

This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?


Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.


From what I am hearing, he has always played up (you should ask you son to confirm) and now that 2023 is HS he has to play with the 24s. If this is true, it really won't matter as you will still complain.


The old he has been playing up and now he is on grade routine . LOL . Who really cares if he is a holdback prefirst reclass,, He just joins a large group of players who need an advantage and helping hand to compete .

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.



Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?

This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?


Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.


From what I am hearing, he has always played up (you should ask you son to confirm) and now that 2023 is HS he has to play with the 24s. If this is true, it really won't matter as you will still complain.


The old he has been playing up and now he is on grade routine . LOL . Who really cares if he is a holdback prefirst reclass,, He just joins a large group of players who need an advantage and helping hand to compete .


No idea who you're talking about. But at least give kids that were held back or did a prefirst etc some credit if they played with age peers until 8th grade. Which is when they don't have a choice for spring lax.

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It will be 91 MD and Madlax in championship game again.

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It will be 91 MD and Madlax in championship game again.


Where is Looneys? They're perennially solid.

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It will be 91 MD and Madlax in championship game again.


Where is Looneys? They're perennially solid.

I would put Looney's ahead of Express and maybe even 91 since they seemed to have their number last Summer. NL will be better and Hawks is always in the mix.

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.


Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?
This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?

Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.


From what I am hearing, he has always played up (you should ask you son to confirm) and now that 2023 is HS he has to play with the 24s. If this is true, it really won't matter as you will still complain.


The old he has been playing up and now he is on grade routine . LOL . Who really cares if he is a holdback prefirst reclass,, He just joins a large group of players who need an advantage and helping hand to compete .


No idea who you're talking about. But at least give kids that were held back or did a prefirst etc some credit if they played with age peers until 8th grade. Which is when they don't have a choice for spring lax.


So now we are given credit to holdback/prefirst kids that play at their own age ! LOL.. Shouldnt the credit go to the kids that played with their own age and later didnt need an advantage that others their age did ....like the holdbacks/reclass/prefirst players did .

The credit should go to the kids that didnt take advantage of system.

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.


Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?
This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?

Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.


From what I am hearing, he has always played up (you should ask you son to confirm) and now that 2023 is HS he has to play with the 24s. If this is true, it really won't matter as you will still complain.


The old he has been playing up and now he is on grade routine . LOL . Who really cares if he is a holdback prefirst reclass,, He just joins a large group of players who need an advantage and helping hand to compete .


No idea who you're talking about. But at least give kids that were held back or did a prefirst etc some credit if they played with age peers until 8th grade. Which is when they don't have a choice for spring lax.


So now we are given credit to holdback/prefirst kids that play at their own age ! LOL.. Shouldnt the credit go to the kids that played with their own age and later didnt need an advantage that others their age did ....like the holdbacks/reclass/prefirst players did .

The credit should go to the kids that didnt take advantage of system.


Hmmmm. Let me see if I understand you correctly. We are talking about a kid that was born in August 2005; started kindergarten late for reasons that had nothing to do with lacrosse; has never repeated a grade; is in 8th grade during the 2019-2020 school year; and will be graduating from high school in 2024. This kid has been playing with 2023s for several years now, even though he is the youngest kid on the field and in many cases is 1-2 years younger than the other kids on the field. This kid is not in high school; he is not playing for a high school team this spring; he is not eligible for any of the 2023 showcases; and most of his closest friends from school and elsewhere play for 2024 teams. Are you saying he should sit out this spring and not play with any club team during the spring season -- even though all his peers, many of which are considerably older than he is, are playing for a 2024 club team this spring?? I applaud any kid that chose to play with the 2023s all those years, and I certainly don't fault them for dropping back to 2024 this year to take full advantage of a non-HS spring league this spring.

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.


Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?
This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?

Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.


From what I am hearing, he has always played up (you should ask you son to confirm) and now that 2023 is HS he has to play with the 24s. If this is true, it really won't matter as you will still complain.


The old he has been playing up and now he is on grade routine . LOL . Who really cares if he is a holdback prefirst reclass,, He just joins a large group of players who need an advantage and helping hand to compete .


No idea who you're talking about. But at least give kids that were held back or did a prefirst etc some credit if they played with age peers until 8th grade. Which is when they don't have a choice for spring lax.


So now we are given credit to holdback/prefirst kids that play at their own age ! LOL.. Shouldnt the credit go to the kids that played with their own age and later didnt need an advantage that others their age did ....like the holdbacks/reclass/prefirst players did .

The credit should go to the kids that didnt take advantage of system.


Hmmmm. Let me see if I understand you correctly. We are talking about a kid that was born in August 2005; started kindergarten late for reasons that had nothing to do with lacrosse; has never repeated a grade; is in 8th grade during the 2019-2020 school year; and will be graduating from high school in 2024. This kid has been playing with 2023s for several years now, even though he is the youngest kid on the field and in many cases is 1-2 years younger than the other kids on the field. This kid is not in high school; he is not playing for a high school team this spring; he is not eligible for any of the 2023 showcases; and most of his closest friends from school and elsewhere play for 2024 teams. Are you saying he should sit out this spring and not play with any club team during the spring season -- even though all his peers, many of which are considerably older than he is, are playing for a 2024 club team this spring?? I applaud any kid that chose to play with the 2023s all those years, and I certainly don't fault them for dropping back to 2024 this year to take full advantage of a non-HS spring league this spring.


I guess he got a taste of how all the on age players feel when they go against Holdbacks in youth. Now he can be the oldest and reverse that while all the other players who arent heldback go on being the youngest.

As far as scale of holdbacks, he is not to far from what most complain about. His degree is less than most, and with playing on age,,even a few more points to him. But he is the exception.

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Next Level tryouts were impressive. They had over 70 kids out there for the 2024 year. NL added several new good kids including maybe the best player from DCE and one of the best players from Madlax. They should be one of the better teams in HOCO this year.


Well if I remember correctly they ended HOCO in the playoffs, so weren't they already one of the best teams? Its early but how would you rank the top 5 teams based on what is being heard about tryouts and released rosters?
This is funny! The best player from DCE? Considering they did not have a 2024 team last year I assume this would be a reclass from 2023? Are you going to claim that the BEST kid on the DCE 2023 team (who is a older "summer birthday" 2023) is now going to NL 2024?

Maybe from BLC since they and DCE are essentially the same organization. But it could certainly be a 2023 hb since that is standard practice for most BLC and DCE players.


From what I am hearing, he has always played up (you should ask you son to confirm) and now that 2023 is HS he has to play with the 24s. If this is true, it really won't matter as you will still complain.


The old he has been playing up and now he is on grade routine . LOL . Who really cares if he is a holdback prefirst reclass,, He just joins a large group of players who need an advantage and helping hand to compete .


No idea who you're talking about. But at least give kids that were held back or did a prefirst etc some credit if they played with age peers until 8th grade. Which is when they don't have a choice for spring lax.


So now we are given credit to holdback/prefirst kids that play at their own age ! LOL.. Shouldnt the credit go to the kids that played with their own age and later didnt need an advantage that others their age did ....like the holdbacks/reclass/prefirst players did .

The credit should go to the kids that didnt take advantage of system.


Hmmmm. Let me see if I understand you correctly. We are talking about a kid that was born in August 2005; started kindergarten late for reasons that had nothing to do with lacrosse; has never repeated a grade; is in 8th grade during the 2019-2020 school year; and will be graduating from high school in 2024. This kid has been playing with 2023s for several years now, even though he is the youngest kid on the field and in many cases is 1-2 years younger than the other kids on the field. This kid is not in high school; he is not playing for a high school team this spring; he is not eligible for any of the 2023 showcases; and most of his closest friends from school and elsewhere play for 2024 teams. Are you saying he should sit out this spring and not play with any club team during the spring season -- even though all his peers, many of which are considerably older than he is, are playing for a 2024 club team this spring?? I applaud any kid that chose to play with the 2023s all those years, and I certainly don't fault them for dropping back to 2024 this year to take full advantage of a non-HS spring league this spring.


I guess he got a taste of how all the on age players feel when they go against Holdbacks in youth. Now he can be the oldest and reverse that while all the other players who arent heldback go on being the youngest.

As far as scale of holdbacks, he is not to far from what most complain about. His degree is less than most, and with playing on age,,even a few more points to him. But he is the exception.


He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?

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Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

If you want to talk about any other LI team feel free, but don't bring the pups over here with the big boys

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He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?





Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

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He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?





Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

If you want to talk about any other LI team feel free, but don't bring the pups over here with the big boys

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He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?





Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

If you want to talk about any other LI team feel free, but don't bring the pups over here with the big boys

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Coming from a Madlax parent, your words come up very empty. Madlax 2024 plays with Madlax 2023 guest players and DC Dog 2023 guest players. They are a pick up team of 2024 holdbacks and 2023 holdbacks, for any given tourney. It changes from tourney to tourney. We all have seen it. We all know it. An unconscionable team. This despicable organization is the poster child for all the things that are wrong with youth sports today. The true filth of the sport. What ever it takes for a t-shirt, right?

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He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?





Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

If you want to talk about any other LI team feel free, but don't bring the pups over here with the big boys


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He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?





Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

If you want to talk about any other LI team feel free, but don't bring the pups over here with the big boys

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Coming from a Madlax parent, your words come up very empty. Madlax 2024 plays with Madlax 2023 guest players and DC Dog 2023 guest players. They are a pick up team of 2024 holdbacks and 2023 holdbacks, for any given tourney. It changes from tourney to tourney. We all have seen it. We all know it. An unconscionable team. This despicable organization is the poster child for all the things that are wrong with youth sports today. The true filth of the sport. What ever it takes for a t-shirt, right?



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Heard Wolfpack was invited to the White House to be personally gratulated by the President for winning the World Series of youth lacrosse. Wow. That sure beats winning a t-shirt.

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Liars and blowhards love to hang out with people just like them. I'm pretty sure if Madlax wanted to get together with the President to celebrate their #1 national ranking and undefeated year that they could make that happen rather easily. They just choose not to. But enjoy the visit and the local sites. If the team is in town, why don't you give Madlax a call and decide it once and for all on the field. Oh right, I heard that offer was extended for the fall already and the Wolfpack turned it down.

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He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?





Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

If you want to talk about any other LI team feel free, but don't bring the pups over here with the big boys


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He is 6 months older than than the oldest kid on Wolfpack and more than a year older than several players. Nothing special about the month of August. He’s just another run of the mill 2024 Maryland holdback. Yawn. Last I checked, holdback-ism is an epidemic in Maryland youth lacrosse. A chaotic frantic mess. This is news?





Please don't come here to bring up the Wolfpups, they are a disgrace to the sport. They are the only team that anyone has mentioned that left a tournament early because they lost...

If you want to post about the pups go back to the LI forum, the one thing I will tell you about us in the DMV is that we respect game and rules, yes some of the kids may be older but the rules allow it. No DMV team would ever packup and go home because they were beaten, that was low, disgraceful and quite honestly classless. BTW did you reimburse the parents that had to stay and pay for an extra night, knowing that you were not playing the scheduled game the following morning?

If you want to talk about any other LI team feel free, but don't bring the pups over here with the big boys



Coming from a Madlax parent, your words come up very empty. Madlax 2024 plays with Madlax 2023 guest players and DC Dog 2023 guest players. They are a pick up team of 2024 holdbacks and 2023 holdbacks, for any given tourney. It changes from tourney to tourney. We all have seen it. We all know it. An unconscionable team. This despicable organization is the poster child for all the things that are wrong with youth sports today. The true filth of the sport. What ever it takes for a t-shirt, right?



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Heard Wolfpack was invited to the White House to be personally gratulated by the President for winning the World Series of youth lacrosse. Wow. That sure beats winning a t-shirt.

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Brag much? I'm not so sure if the prez beats T-shirts nowadays. In any case, would love to see WP play ML at some point. Ill have my popcorn ready.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.

From LI . seen ML play. WP has no shot. The team . is out Matched.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.

From LI . seen ML play. WP has no shot. The team . is out Matched.

The two teams should just schedule a fall play day. Madlax should reach out to other local teams since WP would need to travel and maybe make it a two day event. However the Madlax game would have to be on day two because when they do not win Saturday they will #wolfpackupandgo

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.

From LI . seen ML play. WP has no shot. The team . is out Matched.

The two teams should just schedule a fall play day. Madlax should reach out to other local teams since WP would need to travel and maybe make it a two day event. However the Madlax game would have to be on day two because when they do not win Saturday they will #wolfpackupandgo
Ha, that is also true.. also the weather. can not be to HOT !! and no other tournaments around that time. So they are all well rested.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.

Also depends which ML team shows up. The one that played most of the year with DMV kids, or the team at the end of the summer that adds a couple DC Dogs and flies in players from Texas and CA. The ML team in June was different than the one that played in NLF. WP probably beats the earlier version of ML, but not the one that played in Naptown and NLF.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.


Hawks dad, if you're referring to NAL Summer tourney in Newcastle DE, my son's team was there and I watched your game vs ML. It was a good game to watch. ML's new face off mid may be the best player in the tournament. Fast, big strong aggressive athlete, and he was the difference maker in that game. However, the ML 6'2 200+lbs middle with DC Dog helmet was not there. If he were, I can assure you it will not be that close. Don't get me wrong, this is not to suggest Hawks are not a top team.

I agree with you about WP, they bring diff style of play simply bec they are not as big overall compared to your team or ML. They're success is predicated on their FO Mid and other mid (#3 i think?), and they move the ball like a HS team from LI. If you can't slow down those 2 players, they are tough to beat. I would like to see the FO Mids from ML and WP go against each other. I think those 2 are MVPs of their teams. I hope a game with WP vs ML happens this upcoming season and if it does, post it here so we can come and watch.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.


Hawks dad, if you're referring to NAL Summer tourney in Newcastle DE, my son's team was there and I watched your game vs ML. It was a good game to watch. ML's new face off mid may be the best player in the tournament. Fast, big strong aggressive athlete, and he was the difference maker in that game. However, the ML 6'2 200+lbs middle with DC Dog helmet was not there. If he were, I can assure you it will not be that close. Don't get me wrong, this is not to suggest Hawks are not a top team.

I agree with you about WP, they bring diff style of play simply bec they are not as big overall compared to your team or ML. They're success is predicated on their FO Mid and other mid (#3 i think?), and they move the ball like a HS team from LI. If you can't slow down those 2 players, they are tough to beat. I would like to see the FO Mids from ML and WP go against each other. I think those 2 are MVPs of their teams. I hope a game with WP vs ML happens this upcoming season and if it does, post it here so we can come and watch.



I forgot to add my prediction if they ever play (full strength).. ML 9 - WP 7

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.


Hawks dad, if you're referring to NAL Summer tourney in Newcastle DE, my son's team was there and I watched your game vs ML. It was a good game to watch. ML's new face off mid may be the best player in the tournament. Fast, big strong aggressive athlete, and he was the difference maker in that game. However, the ML 6'2 200+lbs middle with DC Dog helmet was not there. If he were, I can assure you it will not be that close. Don't get me wrong, this is not to suggest Hawks are not a top team.

I agree with you about WP, they bring diff style of play simply bec they are not as big overall compared to your team or ML. They're success is predicated on their FO Mid and other mid (#3 i think?), and they move the ball like a HS team from LI. If you can't slow down those 2 players, they are tough to beat. I would like to see the FO Mids from ML and WP go against each other. I think those 2 are MVPs of their teams. I hope a game with WP vs ML happens this upcoming season and if it does, post it here so we can come and watch.



I forgot to add my prediction if they ever play (full strength).. ML 9 - WP 7



What does “full strength” mean? ML uses players from the 2023 DC Dogs team. All the kids know it. Using players from other teams, not to mention, a grade above, is “full strength”? That’s just cheating. The ML team that went to Delaware is their team and quite honestly it’s very beatable. Against the real ML team, I think 91 wins decisively.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.


Hawks dad, if you're referring to NAL Summer tourney in Newcastle DE, my son's team was there and I watched your game vs ML. It was a good game to watch. ML's new face off mid may be the best player in the tournament. Fast, big strong aggressive athlete, and he was the difference maker in that game. However, the ML 6'2 200+lbs middle with DC Dog helmet was not there. If he were, I can assure you it will not be that close. Don't get me wrong, this is not to suggest Hawks are not a top team.

I agree with you about WP, they bring diff style of play simply bec they are not as big overall compared to your team or ML. They're success is predicated on their FO Mid and other mid (#3 i think?), and they move the ball like a HS team from LI. If you can't slow down those 2 players, they are tough to beat. I would like to see the FO Mids from ML and WP go against each other. I think those 2 are MVPs of their teams. I hope a game with WP vs ML happens this upcoming season and if it does, post it here so we can come and watch.



I forgot to add my prediction if they ever play (full strength).. ML 9 - WP 7



What does “full strength” mean? ML uses players from the 2023 DC Dogs team. All the kids know it. Using players from other teams, not to mention, a grade above, is “full strength”? That’s just cheating. The ML team that went to Delaware is their team and quite honestly it’s very beatable. Against the real ML team, I think 91 wins decisively.



Full strength*:
WP = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present.
ML = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present PLUS the two DC Dogs players (both middies. one of them mentioned above).

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.


Hawks dad, if you're referring to NAL Summer tourney in Newcastle DE, my son's team was there and I watched your game vs ML. It was a good game to watch. ML's new face off mid may be the best player in the tournament. Fast, big strong aggressive athlete, and he was the difference maker in that game. However, the ML 6'2 200+lbs middle with DC Dog helmet was not there. If he were, I can assure you it will not be that close. Don't get me wrong, this is not to suggest Hawks are not a top team.

I agree with you about WP, they bring diff style of play simply bec they are not as big overall compared to your team or ML. They're success is predicated on their FO Mid and other mid (#3 i think?), and they move the ball like a HS team from LI. If you can't slow down those 2 players, they are tough to beat. I would like to see the FO Mids from ML and WP go against each other. I think those 2 are MVPs of their teams. I hope a game with WP vs ML happens this upcoming season and if it does, post it here so we can come and watch.



I forgot to add my prediction if they ever play (full strength).. ML 9 - WP 7



What does “full strength” mean? ML uses players from the 2023 DC Dogs team. All the kids know it. Using players from other teams, not to mention, a grade above, is “full strength”? That’s just cheating. The ML team that went to Delaware is their team and quite honestly it’s very beatable. Against the real ML team, I think 91 wins decisively.



Full strength*:
WP = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present.
ML = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present PLUS the two DC Dogs players (both middies. one of them mentioned above).
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Grow up? Get off these forums if you think you're above it. You're a a hypocrite and contribute nothing.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.


Hawks dad, if you're referring to NAL Summer tourney in Newcastle DE, my son's team was there and I watched your game vs ML. It was a good game to watch. ML's new face off mid may be the best player in the tournament. Fast, big strong aggressive athlete, and he was the difference maker in that game. However, the ML 6'2 200+lbs middle with DC Dog helmet was not there. If he were, I can assure you it will not be that close. Don't get me wrong, this is not to suggest Hawks are not a top team.

I agree with you about WP, they bring diff style of play simply bec they are not as big overall compared to your team or ML. They're success is predicated on their FO Mid and other mid (#3 i think?), and they move the ball like a HS team from LI. If you can't slow down those 2 players, they are tough to beat. I would like to see the FO Mids from ML and WP go against each other. I think those 2 are MVPs of their teams. I hope a game with WP vs ML happens this upcoming season and if it does, post it here so we can come and watch.



I forgot to add my prediction if they ever play (full strength).. ML 9 - WP 7



What does “full strength” mean? ML uses players from the 2023 DC Dogs team. All the kids know it. Using players from other teams, not to mention, a grade above, is “full strength”? That’s just cheating. The ML team that went to Delaware is their team and quite honestly it’s very beatable. Against the real ML team, I think 91 wins decisively.



Full strength*:
WP = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present.
ML = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present PLUS the two DC Dogs players (both middies. one of them mentioned above).


“Plus”? A team uses players from a different team, and a grade higher, and they are the “plus” factor. They aren’t part of the team, but they play on the team. Sometimes. So what you are saying is, your confident that ML would win, if and only if they cheat and use players that aren’t in their team?

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Grow up? Get off these forums if you think you're above it. You're a a hypocrite and contribute nothing.
Again, Add value.. You have to be 13 or 14..

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I am hearing that DCE (former BLC) has reloaded, how true is that?


Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.

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Grow up? Get off these forums if you think you're above it. You're a a hypocrite and contribute nothing.
Again, Add value.. You have to be 13 or 14..


We're dealing with reality here.. not what we all agree it should be (which is age based) which is unfortunately NOT today's reality. Saying that, in "reality", WP vs ML is unlikely to happen so this is a moot topic anyway.

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Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.


NL picked up another 5+ reclassed kids. More than 2/3 of the roster is reclassed now. Feel bad for the on-age kids on that team. They will never see the field.

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I am hearing that DCE (former BLC) has reloaded, how true is that?


Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.


NL picked up another 5+ reclassed kids. More than 2/3 of the roster is reclassed now. Feel bad for the on-age kids on that team. They will never see the field.


The “business” of youth sports. Gotta love it. There is no more big hot mess than youth lacrosse. A complete failure model in youth sports, all due to putting the all mighty dollar above all else to include the sport and the kids. A total travesty. But you holdback parents keep working the system. Great example to set for your kids. Set them up for their future in scamming 80 year old ladies out of their nest eggs. You’re all trash.

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I am hearing that DCE (former BLC) has reloaded, how true is that?

Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.

NL picked up another 5+ reclassed kids. More than 2/3 of the roster is reclassed now. Feel bad for the on-age kids on that team. They will never see the field.


The “business” of youth sports. Gotta love it. There is no more big hot mess than youth lacrosse. A complete failure model in youth sports, all due to putting the all mighty dollar above all else to include the sport and the kids. A total travesty. But you holdback parents keep working the system. Great example to set for your kids. Set them up for their future in scamming 80 year old ladies out of their nest eggs. You’re all trash.


Not to worry. Some holdback apologist will be here shortly to tell us how it helped his kid get better grades while stomping on kids 1 year younger than him in youth lacrosse.

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I am hearing that DCE (former BLC) has reloaded, how true is that?

Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.

NL picked up another 5+ reclassed kids. More than 2/3 of the roster is reclassed now. Feel bad for the on-age kids on that team. They will never see the field.


The “business” of youth sports. Gotta love it. There is no more big hot mess than youth lacrosse. A complete failure model in youth sports, all due to putting the all mighty dollar above all else to include the sport and the kids. A total travesty. But you holdback parents keep working the system. Great example to set for your kids. Set them up for their future in scamming 80 year old ladies out of their nest eggs. You’re all trash.


Not to worry. Some holdback apologist will be here shortly to tell us how it helped his kid get better grades while stomping on kids 1 year younger than him in youth lacrosse.



All it does is make their team as old as the other teams in the elite division of HoCo and the other good tournaments across the country. NL is way behind BLC/DCE and others. I heard the 2027 BLC team only has 4 players born after 9/1/2008 and several are born in 2007. The teams with older rosters play in the elite division and the younger teams don't. Btw - they also test higher and get into better colleges. If you don't like it, put your kid in swimming or track where only the stopwatch matters.

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I am hearing that DCE (former BLC) has reloaded, how true is that?

Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.

NL picked up another 5+ reclassed kids. More than 2/3 of the roster is reclassed now. Feel bad for the on-age kids on that team. They will never see the field.

The “business” of youth sports. Gotta love it. There is no more big hot mess than youth lacrosse. A complete failure model in youth sports, all due to putting the all mighty dollar above all else to include the sport and the kids. A total travesty. But you holdback parents keep working the system. Great example to set for your kids. Set them up for their future in scamming 80 year old ladies out of their nest eggs. You’re all trash.

Not to worry. Some holdback apologist will be here shortly to tell us how it helped his kid get better grades while stomping on kids 1 year younger than him in youth lacrosse.



All it does is make their team as old as the other teams in the elite division of HoCo and the other good tournaments across the country. NL is way behind BLC/DCE and others. I heard the 2027 BLC team only has 4 players born after 9/1/2008 and several are born in 2007. The teams with older rosters play in the elite division and the younger teams don't. Btw - they also test higher and get into better colleges. If you don't like it, put your kid in swimming or track where only the stopwatch matters.


And people wonder why elites have so little morals. Youth Lacrosse and beyond is just a microcosm of what many in the private prep school world think is justified to get ahead .

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I am hearing that DCE (former BLC) has reloaded, how true is that?

Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.

NL picked up another 5+ reclassed kids. More than 2/3 of the roster is reclassed now. Feel bad for the on-age kids on that team. They will never see the field.


The “business” of youth sports. Gotta love it. There is no more big hot mess than youth lacrosse. A complete failure model in youth sports, all due to putting the all mighty dollar above all else to include the sport and the kids. A total travesty. But you holdback parents keep working the system. Great example to set for your kids. Set them up for their future in scamming 80 year old ladies out of their nest eggs. You’re all trash.


Not to worry. Some holdback apologist will be here shortly to tell us how it helped his kid get better grades while stomping on kids 1 year younger than him in youth lacrosse.



All it does is make their team as old as the other teams in the elite division of HoCo and the other good tournaments across the country. NL is way behind BLC/DCE and others. I heard the 2027 BLC team only has 4 players born after 9/1/2008 and several are born in 2007. The teams with older rosters play in the elite division and the younger teams don't. Btw - they also test higher and get into better colleges. If you don't like it, put your kid in swimming or track where only the stopwatch matters.


And you actually believed the garbage that your coach told you? There really is a sucker born every minute. Your "source" has one thing in mind and it ain't you or your holdback. He is only interest in what he thinks "might" be a short term gain for his team, so he can win more games and make more $$$'s. Even if he's wrong, and your kid can't help his cause, there is no down side for him. Your hold back kid collects splinters on the pines.
So what. However, there is a big down side for your kid. YOU just wasted a year of his life! Good going Dad! You really F'd up this time! Even if he does get some playing time in the short term, once the other kids catch up, your kid will be tossed aside like yesterdays newspaper. Face it! Your kid is a subpar athlete and subpar student, whether he is in the grade he is suppose to be in, or any other grade. Once his advantage wears off, he will be exposed for what he is, and he will get in line with the rest of his kind, in the trash-heap of failed-holdbacks, which, for some reason, nobody likes to talk about. Fact: Over 90% of the holdbacks do not go to D1 schools. Why? They simply aren't top tier players. If they were, there would be no need to hold them back. And of the holdbacks that actually do go to D1 schools... they would have gone anyway, even if they weren't held back, had it not been for an obsessed family, who wasted a year of his life.

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I am hearing that DCE (former BLC) has reloaded, how true is that?

Next Level reloaded. DCE not so much.

NL picked up another 5+ reclassed kids. More than 2/3 of the roster is reclassed now. Feel bad for the on-age kids on that team. They will never see the field.


The “business” of youth sports. Gotta love it. There is no more big hot mess than youth lacrosse. A complete failure model in youth sports, all due to putting the all mighty dollar above all else to include the sport and the kids. A total travesty. But you holdback parents keep working the system. Great example to set for your kids. Set them up for their future in scamming 80 year old ladies out of their nest eggs. You’re all trash.


Not to worry. Some holdback apologist will be here shortly to tell us how it helped his kid get better grades while stomping on kids 1 year younger than him in youth lacrosse.



All it does is make their team as old as the other teams in the elite division of HoCo and the other good tournaments across the country. NL is way behind BLC/DCE and others. I heard the 2027 BLC team only has 4 players born after 9/1/2008 and several are born in 2007. The teams with older rosters play in the elite division and the younger teams don't. Btw - they also test higher and get into better colleges. If you don't like it, put your kid in swimming or track where only the stopwatch matters.


100% incorrect. Team 91 Wolfpack has never had a holdback. Not in 2nd grade, not last year and still not this year coming up. Never. Yet they seem to be holding their own, I’d say. And 91 isn’t the only top team without holdbacks. Explain that, you holdback cheat.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.

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BTW - how many other teams quit?

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100% incorrect. Team 91 Wolfpack has never had a holdback. Not in 2nd grade, not last year and still not this year coming up. Never. Yet they seem to be holding their own, I’d say. And 91 isn’t the only top team without holdbacks. Explain that, you holdback cheat.



Unless you are the coach, you have no idea how many kids on the team are holdbacks. A ton of parents do late kindergarten - it's not just about kids repeating 8th grade at the "request" of a private school.

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Never mind. I just checked tourney machine. They were the only team quitting, they quit on Saturday and not Sunday and they weren't anywhere near the top team. It makes their appearance on a MD forum that much more irritating.

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Didn't realize that Team 91 player on Crush who is the #1 recruit in the junior class is a November B Day Re-Class....perhaps reclassifying a bit more prevalent on the Island than some might lead us to believe....

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Didn't realize that Team 91 player on Crush who is the #1 recruit in the junior class is a November B Day Re-Class....perhaps reclassifying a bit more prevalent on the Island than some might lead us to believe....


November reclass in LI would be on age in Maryland. Holding back players born in Sept, Oct, Nov, would be reclass in LI with a Dec 1 school start age. In MD it is the right age to start and be in school.

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The IL article didn't say he was held back...to be clear it said he was RE-classed and gets alot of grief for it which he has learned to deal with....I am not here to say it is wrong that is 100% up to each family, just pointing out the facts.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




You are not a Crabs parent.....

I call BS.... You are a liar of the first order, you are probably a coach or a naive parent of the pups..... What ... do you think that no one else was at Amherst?

The Wolfpups ran home crying on Saturday, they were scheduled to play the Crabs on Sunday at 8 AM when it was what 80 degrees? It was a slightly overcast cooler morning, all other teams were out there playing except for the the pups... Are you saying that the directors went to 2 teams in a summer tournament to say you don't have to play because it is 80 degrees...., There is no excuses other than you lost and your team did not have the mental capacity to finish what they started. that lesson will carry on through life, hopefully they boys will switch to a program that teaches them that life is not WYSL, because that's over. The pups will not be winning may tournaments anymore, but they will have the memories and stories. "Remember when we were 12 and thought we were good....."

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Didn't realize that Team 91 player on Crush who is the #1 recruit in the junior class is a November B Day Re-Class....perhaps reclassifying a bit more prevalent on the Island than some might lead us to believe....


November reclass in LI would be on age in Maryland. Holding back players born in Sept, Oct, Nov, would be reclass in LI with a Dec 1 school start age. In MD it is the right age to start and be in school.



Correct. In MD the boy is “on age”.

Interesting to note that, for the last three years in a row, the #1 recruit in the country is from Team 91 Long Island.

2020 grad year going to Duke and NOT a holdback.

2021 reclass but NOT a holdback by MD standards.

2022 player plays up 2 years! How about that! The only All American freshman in history. What you think of that all you MD cheater holdback parents? That’s how WE roll on the island.

All three players are on Team 91 Crush and all gained national recognition 4 years ago when they played on the national stage and won the World Series of Youth Lacrosse. Sound familiar? History repeats itself.

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Here with the "stunad" word again...sheesh. Dude - Tony Soprano called. He wants his vocabulary back.

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100% incorrect. Team 91 Wolfpack has never had a holdback. Not in 2nd grade, not last year and still not this year coming up. Never. Yet they seem to be holding their own, I’d say. And 91 isn’t the only top team without holdbacks. Explain that, you holdback cheat.



Unless you are the coach, you have no idea how many kids on the team are holdbacks. A ton of parents do late kindergarten - it's not just about kids repeating 8th grade at the "request" of a private school.


Bro you been living under a rock? Everyone knows that WP went to the WSYL with 100% of its team and no guest players. That’s your proof.

And if you have a close team, parents friend each other on social media. So when it’s a kids birthday, it is very well documented. So, yes, we know. Still zero holdbacks! Hard to believe, I’m sure, coming from a holdback parent of a team with 80% holdbacks. Yup. Beat you guys up badly with kids a year+ younger than your team. Yeah. Must be a tough pill to swallow.

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100% incorrect. Team 91 Wolfpack has never had a holdback. Not in 2nd grade, not last year and still not this year coming up. Never. Yet they seem to be holding their own, I’d say. And 91 isn’t the only top team without holdbacks. Explain that, you holdback cheat.



Unless you are the coach, you have no idea how many kids on the team are holdbacks. A ton of parents do late kindergarten - it's not just about kids repeating 8th grade at the "request" of a private school.


Bro you been living under a rock? Everyone knows that WP went to the WSYL with 100% of its team and no guest players. That’s your proof.

And if you have a close team, parents friend each other on social media. So when it’s a kids birthday, it is very well documented. So, yes, we know. Still zero holdbacks! Hard to believe, I’m sure, coming from a holdback parent of a team with 80% holdbacks. Yup. Beat you guys up badly with kids a year+ younger than your team. Yeah. Must be a tough pill to swallow.






WP does not even have close to the talent that crush had. Stop comparing yourselves to that. There are 2 Players on the team that you got last year , for the WSYL. Without them you guys are in the back of the pack. FACTS... for the WSYL. you recruited 6 new players just for the the tourney.. So not the same team. LIES LIES AND MORE LIES. PACK UP AND GO HOME.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.


Not affiliated with either team, but there have been plenty of teams at all grad levels that have bailed on lost bracket games in 95° heat. Sure you can call them quitters. But in a game that means nothing but a chest pound, at the rising 8th grade level, I’d rather not risk injury. lost brackets are the densest thing ever anyway.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.


Not defending anything. Just explaining what happened at the tournament. Teams in lost bracket had the choice of playing or not.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.


Not affiliated with either team, but there have been plenty of teams at all grad levels that have bailed on lost bracket games in 95° heat. Sure you can call them quitters. But in a game that means nothing but a chest pound, at the rising 8th grade level, I’d rather not risk injury. lost brackets are the densest thing ever anyway.



Get the F out of here Wolfpup parent (for some reason your guys think you are smart) . Again, all other teams stayed and played, in all the years I have been taking my kids to summer tournaments I have never heard of teams leaving early. My kids have won and lost and we stay until the last game is over, we might be all packed up with the engine running but just out of respect, sportsmanship and just being decent, you stay and play through it.

AND AGAIN 75% of the teams there were in the lost brackets and they ALL stayed and played.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.


I haven’t heard any insults about the crabs from this guy. The only people he’s insulted are the holdback parents of which I am not. Holdbacks have ruined the game and we here in the mid-Atlantic know that better than anyone.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.


Not affiliated with either team, but there have been plenty of teams at all grad levels that have bailed on lost bracket games in 95° heat. Sure you can call them quitters. But in a game that means nothing but a chest pound, at the rising 8th grade level, I’d rather not risk injury. lost brackets are the densest thing ever anyway.



Get the F out of here Wolfpup parent (for some reason your guys think you are smart) . Again, all other teams stayed and played, in all the years I have been taking my kids to summer tournaments I have never heard of teams leaving early. My kids have won and lost and we stay until the last game is over, we might be all packed up with the engine running but just out of respect, sportsmanship and just being decent, you stay and play through it.

AND AGAIN 75% of the teams there were in the lost brackets and they ALL stayed and played.


You are obsessed. A team didn’t play in a lost bracket. SERIOUSLY?!!!!!! Nobody gives a LaxinItUp! Move on!

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.


Not affiliated with either team, but there have been plenty of teams at all grad levels that have bailed on lost bracket games in 95° heat. Sure you can call them quitters. But in a game that means nothing but a chest pound, at the rising 8th grade level, I’d rather not risk injury. lost brackets are the densest thing ever anyway.



Get the F out of here Wolfpup parent (for some reason your guys think you are smart) . Again, all other teams stayed and played, in all the years I have been taking my kids to summer tournaments I have never heard of teams leaving early. My kids have won and lost and we stay until the last game is over, we might be all packed up with the engine running but just out of respect, sportsmanship and just being decent, you stay and play through it.

AND AGAIN 75% of the teams there were in the lost brackets and they ALL stayed and played.


You are obsessed. A team didn’t play in a lost bracket. SERIOUSLY?!!!!!! Nobody gives a LaxinItUp! Move on!





No, you move on....Think about the families that paid to stay in hotels and to fly on the more expensive Sunday returns only to show up on Sunday morning and there is no one to play. There is just being decent and teaching your kids sportsmanship. In the end I guess it shows that they are just a bunch of bullies, that when they go sucker punched went home to cry with their Mommy.
You can scream HB all you want they will not be winning any of the big tournaments withe the top Mid Atlantic teams in the them anymore, those days are done, so get use to it.

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Was that the 91 team who quit on a tournament because they got beat or the 91 team who doesn't compete in the big tournaments because they can't? You keep hanging your hat on the old holdback cheater routine. You are all alone up there on the island as far as the rules go nationally.


Crabs parent here. Let’s keep it real, as if that’s even remotely possible on this site. We were scheduled against Wolfpack in the NLF when 91 left. The tournament directors gave both teams the option of playing or not playing the game due to the heat. Same option they gave all teams in the lost bracket. Crabs coaches decided they wanted to play. Obviously 91 chose not to. Can’t say I blame them. Play a game in 95 degree heat that means nothing? For us, it would have been nice to get a shot at 91. For them, not much of a point to play the last game of the year with no shot at the T-shirt.




And that's fine except 91 kid/parent continues to scream at you Crabs parent about how bad your team is and what a cheater you are. You are being insulted and defending a team who quit because they didn't have a chance at the title and they tell everyone else how great they are and how bad you are. Come on.


I haven’t heard any insults about the crabs from this guy. The only people he’s insulted are the holdback parents of which I am not. Holdbacks have ruined the game and we here in the mid-Atlantic know that better than anyone.




You’re wrong. LI guy insults Madlax repeatedly. But as the worst offenders in the lacrosse underworld of holdbacks, double holdbacks and guest holdbacks, I have absolutely no problem with those insults. All deserved as far as I’m concerned.

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My money is on WP. To tell the truth, I’m not impressed at all with the ML team. My sons Express team played ML this summer and lost 4 - 2. If not for a couple of questionable calls and no calls, Express wins that game. Can’t say the same for games against WP. No comparison between ML and WP in my opinion. WP is more skilled at every position. Fun to watch.



As much as I detest to, I am in agreement. My son plays on the Hawks. We played Madlax in Delaware. Lost 7-5 but game could have gone either way. Our game against 91 this year was very different. Really wasn’t close. Definitely a top finesse team.


Hawks dad, if you're referring to NAL Summer tourney in Newcastle DE, my son's team was there and I watched your game vs ML. It was a good game to watch. ML's new face off mid may be the best player in the tournament. Fast, big strong aggressive athlete, and he was the difference maker in that game. However, the ML 6'2 200+lbs middle with DC Dog helmet was not there. If he were, I can assure you it will not be that close. Don't get me wrong, this is not to suggest Hawks are not a top team.

I agree with you about WP, they bring diff style of play simply bec they are not as big overall compared to your team or ML. They're success is predicated on their FO Mid and other mid (#3 i think?), and they move the ball like a HS team from LI. If you can't slow down those 2 players, they are tough to beat. I would like to see the FO Mids from ML and WP go against each other. I think those 2 are MVPs of their teams. I hope a game with WP vs ML happens this upcoming season and if it does, post it here so we can come and watch.



I forgot to add my prediction if they ever play (full strength).. ML 9 - WP 7



What does “full strength” mean? ML uses players from the 2023 DC Dogs team. All the kids know it. Using players from other teams, not to mention, a grade above, is “full strength”? That’s just cheating. The ML team that went to Delaware is their team and quite honestly it’s very beatable. Against the real ML team, I think 91 wins decisively.



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WP = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present.
ML = ALL their starters and "most" of their players present PLUS the two DC Dogs players (both middies. one of them mentioned above).


Are you serious? You include players from a different team?? And a grade higher?? Wow. You must be from Madlax with a justification like that. Just say it. If Madlax cheats, you like their chances. That’s BS. The team is completely dependent upon one player, unless it invites older players that aren’t on the team. Straight-up, Hawks vs the legit Madlax team, is a toss up.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?

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According to my neighbor's kid's cousin's friend's brother's teacher's son, the DC Dog player in question is on another team and may not even play in this game if they did meet up.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.

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Which teams are going to Battle on the Bay?

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


How many 2023’s does Madlax have? I heard as many as three.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


How many 2023’s does Madlax have? I heard as many as three.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


How many 2023’s does Madlax have? I heard as many as three.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


How many 2023’s does Madlax have? I heard as many as three.


Three are confirmed. Could me more.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


Lets see if I do, Hawks cant beat 91 ever and Hawks can't beat Madlax unless they are missing players. Got it Now !

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


Lets see if I do, Hawks cant beat 91 ever and Hawks can't beat Madlax unless they are missing players. Got it Now !


Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


Lets see if I do, Hawks cant beat 91 ever and Hawks can't beat Madlax unless they are missing players. Got it Now !


Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.

The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


Lets see if I do, Hawks cant beat 91 ever and Hawks can't beat Madlax unless they are missing players. Got it Now !

Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.


I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



Reclass is getting out of hand in DMV area, which is really hard to believe as it was already somewhat out of control. Frankly, reclass is getting out of hand everywhere .

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We know hold backs and reclasses exist in the BDMV lacrosse world, they exist across the vast majority, if not all, of the HoCo elite teams. Right or wrong it happens and is within the rules that BDMV teams play under. As far as I know no kid on the Madlax 2024 team is not in 8th grade this year, if someone is aware of a kid who is in 9th grade and is playing on that team happy to hear about it. In terms of the big FO kid everyone talks about, he is an 8th grader at an IAC school which means he graduates in 2024. Every kid on the HoCo roster where Madlax went undefeated and won the tournament is a 2024 graduate and was in 7th grade during the season (including big FO kid). I don't know how hard this is to grasp. There were some very close games in HoCo, as it should be, but to say this team is dependent on one player or that these kids were actually 9th graders playing on an 8th grade team is 100% false.

I also completely agree that that reclassing/holding back is getting out of hand but also remember that many of these kids were delayed entry/summer birthdays back in K. The reality is that as long as (1) there is no national governing body in lacrosse that has any power to regulate an age based system, (2) most (if not all other than the WSYL) major tournaments at the youth/high school level are grade based, (3) lacrosse in the BDMV is mainly a private school sport, and (4) college coaches don't care how old a kid is just his graduation year then this will continue to happen and likely accelerate. For those on age kids who are playing meaningful minutes at the elite level this likely doesn't have a huge impact as they are playing with older kids and holding their own and getting better. The kids who are hurt by this are the good/average kids at the youth level that are getting pushed down because of this and may not get the opportunities they might have had in an age based youth world. It also provides an incentive for people who may never have though about holding their kid back to think about it. As the parent of two on age kids I firmly believe that until high school kids should be playing in an age based world but for the reasons listed above don't think it will ever revert back. The reality is that as long as lacrosse can provide an opportunity to go to a top private high school and then potentially on to a top college then the incentives and rules of the sport are aligned to make holding back a rational decision for some families.

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.


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I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?
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A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams

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We know hold backs and reclasses exist in the BDMV lacrosse world, they exist across the vast majority, if not all, of the HoCo elite teams. Right or wrong it happens and is within the rules that BDMV teams play under. As far as I know no kid on the Madlax 2024 team is not in 8th grade this year, if someone is aware of a kid who is in 9th grade and is playing on that team happy to hear about it. In terms of the big FO kid everyone talks about, he is an 8th grader at an IAC school which means he graduates in 2024. Every kid on the HoCo roster where Madlax went undefeated and won the tournament is a 2024 graduate and was in 7th grade during the season (including big FO kid). I don't know how hard this is to grasp. There were some very close games in HoCo, as it should be, but to say this team is dependent on one player or that these kids were actually 9th graders playing on an 8th grade team is 100% false.

I also completely agree that that reclassing/holding back is getting out of hand but also remember that many of these kids were delayed entry/summer birthdays back in K. The reality is that as long as (1) there is no national governing body in lacrosse that has any power to regulate an age based system, (2) most (if not all other than the WSYL) major tournaments at the youth/high school level are grade based, (3) lacrosse in the BDMV is mainly a private school sport, and (4) college coaches don't care how old a kid is just his graduation year then this will continue to happen and likely accelerate. For those on age kids who are playing meaningful minutes at the elite level this likely doesn't have a huge impact as they are playing with older kids and holding their own and getting better. The kids who are hurt by this are the good/average kids at the youth level that are getting pushed down because of this and may not get the opportunities they might have had in an age based youth world. It also provides an incentive for people who may never have though about holding their kid back to think about it. As the parent of two on age kids I firmly believe that until high school kids should be playing in an age based world but for the reasons listed above don't think it will ever revert back. The reality is that as long as lacrosse can provide an opportunity to go to a top private high school and then potentially on to a top college then the incentives and rules of the sport are aligned to make holding back a rational decision for some families.


Holy S.. Ive been on these boards for a long time for entertainment and also guilty of mixing it up from time to time, this is by far the classiest and on point explanation of current state of youth lacrosse. Bravo! (with accompanying golf clap).

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?
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A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams[/quote]

Who does he play for now?

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams[/quote]

Who does he play for now? [/quote]

Do not get your hopes up!! The new FO Mid they picked up last summer (#22 on their Nationals team) is just as good if not better than the player who's leaving for another team (if it's even true). If you see #22 with ML, as OJ likes to say "lookout".

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams[/quote]

Who does he play for now? [/quote]

You lost ALL credibility for that post when you said “no one is using 9th graders in the HOCO.” And “everyone will be in 8th grade”. Using blanket statements like “no one” and “everyone” just sank your shop of any kind of convince-ability. I’m sure most people reading this know of 9th graders playing on a 2024 team. I sure do. I would even go as far as to say it’s common. So how about you start from scratch on that post. Consider that a mulligan.

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams


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You lost ALL credibility for that post when you said “no one is using 9th graders in the HOCO.” And “everyone will be in 8th grade”. Using blanket statements like “no one” and “everyone” just sank your shop of any kind of convince-ability. I’m sure most people reading this know of 9th graders playing on a 2024 team. I sure do. I would even go as far as to say it’s common. So how about you start from scratch on that post. Consider that a mulligan.


[/quote] Most of our kids start school later than most. So they are already 1 year ahead. So when we re -class the kids in 6th , 7th and 8th grade. most of the boys are already 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other states. Yes the rules are based on grade but the kids are much older than most..Exactly the case in number 22.. almost 15 years old.

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[/quote] Most of our kids start school later than most. So they are already 1 year ahead. So when we re -class the kids in 6th , 7th and 8th grade. most of the boys are already 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other states. Yes the rules are based on grade but the kids are much older than most..Exactly the case in number 22.. almost 15 years old.
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Not sure which #22 you are referring to but if it is the new kid #22 on Madlax that kid is on age, turning 14 in the fall. Yes, the entry cut off for MD is earlier than in NY so there is an age gap there, hence what people refer to as LI holdbacks (any kid with a fall birthday). It is a completely irrelevant term for other areas. Kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start. At most it is a year if it was a delayed entry into K. With a late entry who then holds back you can get 1.5-2 year age differences but this is not the norm or the baseline. The vast majority of “off age” kids were delayed entry in K. There is an acceleration of double holdbacks which is a bad thing, but to all the points in the previous long post the incentives are there for this to happen.

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Yes, the entry cut off for MD is earlier than in NY so there is an age gap there, hence what people refer to as LI holdbacks (any kid with a fall birthday). It is a completely irrelevant term for other areas. Kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start. At most, it is a year if there was delayed entry into K. With a late entry who then holds back you can get 1.5-2 year age differences but this is not the norm or the baseline. The vast majority of “off age” kids have had a delayed entry in K. There is an acceleration of double holdbacks which is a bad thing, but to all the points in the previous long post, the incentives are there for this to happen. [/quote]

Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broom stick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself, because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.


I love when MD teaches LI correct math. Great response, now maybe he will go back in his hole.

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Is this really a mystery? MD kids are 3 (or 4) months older than NY kids. That’s simple, but given the different age cutoff dates, these are the best/worst case scenarios for true on age kids in MD vs NY. Your view of best or worst depends on your state.
Assume NY cutoff is 12/1 and MD cutoff is 9/1.
Holdbacks and special circumstances not accounted for on either side. Consider them equal for both (unless you know the actual statistics? Honest question. Yes it happens, but does anyone have actual numbers or is everyone always making assumptions?).
Youngest 2024 in NY is born on 12/1/06 Oldest 2024 in MD is born on 9/2/05.
(MD player could be up to 15 months older than a NY player)
Youngest 2024 in MD is born 9/1/06. Oldest 2024 in NY is born 12/2/05.
(NY player could be up to 9 months older than a MD player)

If you want to muddy the water, yes, throw in some holdbacks. However, most holdbacks are not the absolute earliest possible birthdate for their “revised” grad year.
Maybe whoever is griping about NY - MD ages should petition the youth lacrosse world to switch to age-based as it should be. But until those pigs fly, maybe just start a league where kids can play only kids with their same birthdate. And while you’re at it, buy trophies for all participants, hire unicorns for referees, and don’t bother keeping score. Wouldn’t that be fun.
-MD with on age kid

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.


Keep playing down 1 to 2 years vs LI teams. It’s the only way that MD can compete with LI teams. By cheating. Look sat the history. Your kids have been playing down a grade or even two, for going on 7 years now. You never, not once, had a team play a LI team that wasnt at minimum a year older. Funny thing is, the MD older team still loses those matches the majority of the time. How shameful for you! Cheat your butts off and still lose!

One day we have to play just one game that is apples to apples. Just ONE! MD plays with a completely on age team vs a LI team. Just once! No holdbacks, guest holdbacks, double holdbacks. GASP! Can you imagine the beat down?!! It would be historic in proportion. Do score boards go to three digits, because LI would put up 100+! Now that would really be very eye opening as to the true difference between MD lacrosse and the kingdom of lacrosse, Long Island. No more comparing MD teams that are 1 to 2 years older than LI teams. Yeah. Let’s make THAT happen, cheater teams!

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Keep playing down 1 to 2 years vs LI teams. It’s the only way that MD can compete with LI teams. By cheating. Look sat the history. Your kids have been playing down a grade or even two, for going on 7 years now. You never, not once, had a team play a LI team that wasnt at minimum a year older. Funny thing is, the MD older team still loses those matches the majority of the time. How shameful for you! Cheat your butts off and still lose!

One day we have to play just one game that is apples to apples. Just ONE! MD plays with a completely on age team vs a LI team. Just once! No holdbacks, guest holdbacks, double holdbacks. GASP! Can you imagine the beat down?!! It would be historic in proportion. Do score boards go to three digits, because LI would put up 100+! Now that would really be very eye opening as to the true difference between MD lacrosse and the kingdom of lacrosse, Long Island. No more comparing MD teams that are 1 to 2 years older than LI teams. Yeah. Let’s make THAT happen, cheater teams!



If MD teams cheat and still lose, why do you still cry as much as you do? If it just makes us look even worse, then why do you still have tantrums about it? What ever will you do next year when your kid is in high school, playing kids three years older who are also on age for their grad year? For the sake of your son, please get it all out now, to save him the embarrassment of having to tell people he's related to you when he's in high school.

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.


Keep playing down 1 to 2 years vs LI teams. It’s the only way that MD can compete with LI teams. By cheating. Look sat the history. Your kids have been playing down a grade or even two, for going on 7 years now. You never, not once, had a team play a LI team that wasnt at minimum a year older. Funny thing is, the MD older team still loses those matches the majority of the time. How shameful for you! Cheat your butts off and still lose!

One day we have to play just one game that is apples to apples. Just ONE! MD plays with a completely on age team vs a LI team. Just once! No holdbacks, guest holdbacks, double holdbacks. GASP! Can you imagine the beat down?!! It would be historic in proportion. Do score boards go to three digits, because LI would put up 100+! Now that would really be very eye opening as to the true difference between MD lacrosse and the kingdom of lacrosse, Long Island. No more comparing MD teams that are 1 to 2 years older than LI teams. Yeah. Let’s make THAT happen, cheater teams!




I would like to recommend that you pick up a book, and try to do a little reading comprehension. There are 2 types of tournaments:

A ---- Grade based tournaments
-Generally attended by most Elite teams
- Rules states that you muse be in a certain GRADE in order to play in a specific division
-The MD team register and play in GRADE based tournaments (thats it)!!!! If you have the genius 10 year old in 8th grade who love Lax, then he/she needs to play in the 2024 grade division. THAT'S the rule!!!!

B ---- Age based tournaments
- Generally attended by younger and or less skilled teams
- Rules states that you muse be born after a certain date in order to play in a specific division

So based on the option all of you LI teams should go to either tournament type A or tournament type B. Stick to it and follow the rules. There is no age requirement in tournament type A.

Make a decision go to the tournament and stick to the rules and us here in MD will make our choice and do the same.


But just remember in HS there is no (my baby is too young/small) they need to be ready to play against the other boys 2-4 years older, if they will play JV or V

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Keep playing down 1 to 2 years vs LI teams. It’s the only way that MD can compete with LI teams. By cheating. Look sat the history. Your kids have been playing down a grade or even two, for going on 7 years now. You never, not once, had a team play a LI team that wasnt at minimum a year older. Funny thing is, the MD older team still loses those matches the majority of the time. How shameful for you! Cheat your butts off and still lose!

One day we have to play just one game that is apples to apples. Just ONE! MD plays with a completely on age team vs a LI team. Just once! No holdbacks, guest holdbacks, double holdbacks. GASP! Can you imagine the beat down?!! It would be historic in proportion. Do score boards go to three digits, because LI would put up 100+! Now that would really be very eye opening as to the true difference between MD lacrosse and the kingdom of lacrosse, Long Island. No more comparing MD teams that are 1 to 2 years older than LI teams. Yeah. Let’s make THAT happen, cheater teams!



If MD teams cheat and still lose, why do you still cry as much as you do? If it just makes us look even worse, then why do you still have tantrums about it? What ever will you do next year when your kid is in high school, playing kids three years older who are also on age for their grad year? For the sake of your son, please get it all out now, to save him the embarrassment of having to tell people he's related to you when he's in high school.


Pal, you make no sense. LI teams have been kicking MD cheaters butts since day one. The only crying is by your substandard holdbacks who still can’t compete, even when they play boys a year or two younger than them. Big bunch of holdback cry babies losing to the little kids from the island again, and again and again and again..,,,,,,,,, but keep on cheating and our little boys will keep on winning, with character and integrity! Something you lie life crybaby holdback cheater parents know nothing about! DB’s!

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.


Keep playing down 1 to 2 years vs LI teams. It’s the only way that MD can compete with LI teams. By cheating. Look sat the history. Your kids have been playing down a grade or even two, for going on 7 years now. You never, not once, had a team play a LI team that wasnt at minimum a year older. Funny thing is, the MD older team still loses those matches the majority of the time. How shameful for you! Cheat your butts off and still lose!

One day we have to play just one game that is apples to apples. Just ONE! MD plays with a completely on age team vs a LI team. Just once! No holdbacks, guest holdbacks, double holdbacks. GASP! Can you imagine the beat down?!! It would be historic in proportion. Do score boards go to three digits, because LI would put up 100+! Now that would really be very eye opening as to the true difference between MD lacrosse and the kingdom of lacrosse, Long Island. No more comparing MD teams that are 1 to 2 years older than LI teams. Yeah. Let’s make THAT happen, cheater teams!




I would like to recommend that you pick up a book, and try to do a little reading comprehension. There are 2 types of tournaments:

A ---- Grade based tournaments
-Generally attended by most Elite teams
- Rules states that you muse be in a certain GRADE in order to play in a specific division
-The MD team register and play in GRADE based tournaments (thats it)!!!! If you have the genius 10 year old in 8th grade who love Lax, then he/she needs to play in the 2024 grade division. THAT'S the rule!!!!

B ---- Age based tournaments
- Generally attended by younger and or less skilled teams
- Rules states that you muse be born after a certain date in order to play in a specific division

So based on the option all of you LI teams should go to either tournament type A or tournament type B. Stick to it and follow the rules. There is no age requirement in tournament type A.

Make a decision go to the tournament and stick to the rules and us here in MD will make our choice and do the same.


But just remember in HS there is no (my baby is too young/small) they need to be ready to play against the other boys 2-4 years older, if they will play JV or V


Is it possible that you are as dense as you sound?? In HS puberty will be over and your substandard holdbacks will all be what amounts to moving pylons. By junior year age doesn’t matter. At all! It matters during the pubescent years dummy! That’s why you’re a hold back dad remember??? Eye roll!! Enjoy the benefits of cheating, now, while you can. Because in a couple of years you and your future pylon will both be watching HS games from the stands!

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.


Keep playing down 1 to 2 years vs LI teams. It’s the only way that MD can compete with LI teams. By cheating. Look sat the history. Your kids have been playing down a grade or even two, for going on 7 years now. You never, not once, had a team play a LI team that wasnt at minimum a year older. Funny thing is, the MD older team still loses those matches the majority of the time. How shameful for you! Cheat your butts off and still lose!

One day we have to play just one game that is apples to apples. Just ONE! MD plays with a completely on age team vs a LI team. Just once! No holdbacks, guest holdbacks, double holdbacks. GASP! Can you imagine the beat down?!! It would be historic in proportion. Do score boards go to three digits, because LI would put up 100+! Now that would really be very eye opening as to the true difference between MD lacrosse and the kingdom of lacrosse, Long Island. No more comparing MD teams that are 1 to 2 years older than LI teams. Yeah. Let’s make THAT happen, cheater teams!




I would like to recommend that you pick up a book, and try to do a little reading comprehension. There are 2 types of tournaments:

A ---- Grade based tournaments
-Generally attended by most Elite teams
- Rules states that you muse be in a certain GRADE in order to play in a specific division
-The MD team register and play in GRADE based tournaments (thats it)!!!! If you have the genius 10 year old in 8th grade who love Lax, then he/she needs to play in the 2024 grade division. THAT'S the rule!!!!


B ---- Age based tournaments
- Generally attended by younger and or less skilled teams
- Rules states that you muse be born after a certain date in order to play in a specific division

So based on the option all of you LI teams should go to either tournament type A or tournament type B. Stick to it and follow the rules. There is no age requirement in tournament type A.

Make a decision go to the tournament and stick to the rules and us here in MD will make our choice and do the same.


But just remember in HS there is no (my baby is too young/small) they need to be ready to play against the other boys 2-4 years older, if they will play JV or V


Is it possible that you are as dense as you sound?? In HS puberty will be over and your substandard holdbacks will all be what amounts to moving pylons. By junior year age doesn’t matter. At all! It matters during the pubescent years dummy! That’s why you’re a hold back dad remember??? Eye roll!! Enjoy the benefits of cheating, now, while you can. Because in a couple of years you and your future pylon will both be watching HS games from the stands!






Well said. Most spot on post of the year so far. Nobody likes to talk about all of the failed holdbacks. The proponents just like to cite the ones that “worked”. I’d love to have the data in that. What percentage doesn’t work? And who’s to say, of the ones that did “work”, they would have been just as successful, had they not been held back.

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I have an older son who continually lost playing time to holdbacks on his teams for years. He is now a senior in high school, and 90% of the kids he lost time to have quit lacrosse or will not be playing in college. Mine will be.
Parents reclass kids for their own egos. It catches up with them almost every time.

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I have an older son who continually lost playing time to holdbacks on his teams for years. He is now a senior in high school, and 90% of the kids he lost time to have quit lacrosse or will not be playing in college. Mine will be.
Parents reclass kids for their own egos. It catches up with them almost every time.



#truth. Also.... Look in the mirror, at your spouse, at your families..... If you don't have a lineage or history of legitimate athletes, chances are strong, the holdback provides a momentary advantage in youth, but by HS, the cream rises to the top.

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I have an older son who continually lost playing time to holdbacks on his teams for years. He is now a senior in high school, and 90% of the kids he lost time to have quit lacrosse or will not be playing in college. Mine will be.
Parents reclass kids for their own egos. It catches up with them almost every time.



#truth. Also.... Look in the mirror, at your spouse, at your families..... If you don't have a lineage or history of legitimate athletes, chances are strong, the holdback provides a momentary advantage in youth, but by HS, the cream rises to the top.


I'm guessing when you're looking at your mirror, you see the second coming of Bo Jackson, your mom and dad look like Jeter's parents and your grandfather is Jim Brown. Listen genius.. there's always exception to the rule.

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I have an older son who continually lost playing time to holdbacks on his teams for years. He is now a senior in high school, and 90% of the kids he lost time to have quit lacrosse or will not be playing in college. Mine will be.
Parents reclass kids for their own egos. It catches up with them almost every time.



#truth. Also.... Look in the mirror, at your spouse, at your families..... If you don't have a lineage or history of legitimate athletes, chances are strong, the holdback provides a momentary advantage in youth, but by HS, the cream rises to the top.


I'm guessing when you're looking at your mirror, you see the second coming of Bo Jackson, your mom and dad look like Jeter's parents and your grandfather is Jim Brown. Listen genius.. there's always exception to the rule.


Spoken like a true obsessive compulsive delirious holdback parent, who never got past JV-anything. Sorry, it ain’t happening this time around either. Keep liv’n your fantasy while you can, as it fades more each and every day. By the time all of your sons non-holdback friends are starting to see playing time on varsity, your holdback will be exactly where you were at his age. Picking splinters out of his butt, watching the action from the side line. Inevitable.

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Anybody get an invite for the NLF Futures at IMG?

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I'm guessing when you're looking at your mirror, you see the second coming of Bo Jackson, your mom and dad look like Jeter's parents and your grandfather is Jim Brown. Listen genius.. there's always exception to the rule.


Spoken like a true obsessive compulsive delirious holdback parent, who never got past JV-anything. Sorry, it ain’t happening this time around either. Keep liv’n your fantasy while you can, as it fades more each and every day. By the time all of your sons non-holdback friends are starting to see playing time on varsity, your holdback will be exactly where you were at his age. Picking splinters out of his butt, watching the action from the side line. Inevitable.





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I have an older son who continually lost playing time to holdbacks on his teams for years. He is now a senior in high school, and 90% of the kids he lost time to have quit lacrosse or will not be playing in college. Mine will be.
Parents reclass kids for their own egos. It catches up with them almost every time.



#truth. Also.... Look in the mirror, at your spouse, at your families..... If you don't have a lineage or history of legitimate athletes, chances are strong, the holdback provides a momentary advantage in youth, but by HS, the cream rises to the top.


I'm guessing when you're looking at your mirror, you see the second coming of Bo Jackson, your mom and dad look like Jeter's parents and your grandfather is Jim Brown. Listen genius.. there's always exception to the rule.


Spoken like a true obsessive compulsive delirious holdback parent, who never got past JV-anything. Sorry, it ain’t happening this time around either. Keep liv’n your fantasy while you can, as it fades more each and every day. By the time all of your sons non-holdback friends are starting to see playing time on varsity, your holdback will be exactly where you were at his age. Picking splinters out of his butt, watching the action from the side line. Inevitable.




Right now this guy is wondering how the heck you knew he never got past JV 😂

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I have an older son who continually lost playing time to holdbacks on his teams for years. He is now a senior in high school, and 90% of the kids he lost time to have quit lacrosse or will not be playing in college. Mine will be.
Parents reclass kids for their own egos. It catches up with them almost every time.



#truth. Also.... Look in the mirror, at your spouse, at your families..... If you don't have a lineage or history of legitimate athletes, chances are strong, the holdback provides a momentary advantage in youth, but by HS, the cream rises to the top.


I'm guessing when you're looking at your mirror, you see the second coming of Bo Jackson, your mom and dad look like Jeter's parents and your grandfather is Jim Brown. Listen genius.. there's always exception to the rule.


Spoken like a true obsessive compulsive delirious holdback parent, who never got past JV-anything. Sorry, it ain’t happening this time around either. Keep liv’n your fantasy while you can, as it fades more each and every day. By the time all of your sons non-holdback friends are starting to see playing time on varsity, your holdback will be exactly where you were at his age. Picking splinters out of his butt, watching the action from the side line. Inevitable.




Right now this guy is wondering how the heck you knew he never got past JV 😂


Fair enough. But I would take it easy with your illusions of grandeur and good luck with your son playing for Nassau Community (I apologize in advance to Nassau alums. These are the types of families you should expect to join soon)

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.



That is the best laugh I have had in a while ..Four !! Hilarious !!

It is more likely to say " You must have a minimum of Four " than attempting to limit holdbacks..

limit of four ! LOL

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


Probably a typo Must have “14”, minimum.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.



I heard Madlax complained to NLF and it's back to unlimited holdbacks. Crisis averted.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




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No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


I think we found the Madlax dad. Hi there.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


You’re wrong. It’s true. Rumor has it that 91 was the catalyst behind it, with HHH and Laxachusetts strong supporters. Unofficially, 91 feels that they are at a significant disadvantage in this area, based on proximity. Lack of prep schools on Long Island result in few holdbacks, relative to many other areas of the country.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


I think we found the Madlax dad. Hi there.



He’s praying it’s not true. Ha.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


I think we found the Madlax dad. Hi there.



He’s praying it’s not true. Ha.

Don’t worry next we will hear about how overrated the NLF is and Madlax does not need to play NLF events.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


I think we found the Madlax dad. Hi there.



He’s praying it’s not true. Ha.


Guess his kid will have to go back to playing boys at his own age. Party officially over.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


I think we found the Madlax dad. Hi there.



He’s praying it’s not true. Ha.


Lol! Please don't give the Madlaxatives a heart attack. However, if you put it all together, 91 who are no saints themselves, will probably manipulate the ferederation they help found by changing the rules that don't suit them. Loving this saga. Keep posting what you're hearing out there... rumors or otherwise, they are equally entertaining to think Madlaxers are squirming.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


I think we found the Madlax dad. Hi there.


That is Hilarious ! This site has some of the best entertainment out there.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


You’re wrong. It’s true. Rumor has it that 91 was the catalyst behind it, with HHH and Laxachusetts strong supporters. Unofficially, 91 feels that they are at a significant disadvantage in this area, based on proximity. Lack of prep schools on Long Island result in few holdbacks, relative to many other areas of the country.

How does 91 "unofficially feel they are at a significant disadvantage?" How do they officially feel? Also how could anyone enforce a rule allowing any holdbacks without verifying the ages of all of the kids. In doing this, would it not then be an aged based tournament? I am in favor of this. Why not just follow US Lacrosse guidelines and be done with it? 91 Should step up and be official in this position. Unless....They also do not want to have age verifications.

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Is it true? Heard the NLF is talking about implementing a rule that limits the number of holdbacks on a team to four.




Not Limits, Must have at least 4 would be my guess


No. I heard same thing. The limit is 4. Only for NLF tournaments though.




There is absolutely no way that is being considered for NLF teams let alone a NLF tournament. Where do you people get these crazy rumors, rumors need some truth to be believable.


I think we found the Madlax dad. Hi there.


That is Hilarious ! This site has some of the best entertainment out there.


It’s almost as entertaining as Family Feud.

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It’s true. An email went out to 91 Maryland parents today saying notification was sent to all 91 teams, nationally. The limit is actually 5 holdbacks, after final negotiation. Apparently one of the teams (Madlax?) was fighting it variously. They don’t specify what happens to the holdbacks that don’t make the cut. I imagine they will stay with their clubs, but have to play on age. It only says, “more to info to follow from your individual coaching staffs.”

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It’s true. An email went out to 91 Maryland parents today saying notification was sent to all 91 teams, nationally. The limit is actually 5 holdbacks, after final negotiation. Apparently one of the teams (Madlax?) was fighting it variously. They don’t specify what happens to the holdbacks that don’t make the cut. I imagine they will stay with their clubs, but have to play on age. It only says, “more to info to follow from your individual coaching staffs.”



I got it too. Looks like a done deal. Going to be very interesting year.

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It’s true. An email went out to 91 Maryland parents today saying notification was sent to all 91 teams, nationally. The limit is actually 5 holdbacks, after final negotiation. Apparently one of the teams (Madlax?) was fighting it variously. They don’t specify what happens to the holdbacks that don’t make the cut. I imagine they will stay with their clubs, but have to play on age. It only says, “more to info to follow from your individual coaching staffs.”



I got it too. Looks like a done deal. Going to be very interesting year.




Great news!!! Johnny will only play against 5 HBs (5 = half a team) in the NLF tournament next summer. So if you are limiting the # of HBs you know the 5 they bring are going to be big and strong.

But starting in the Fall (2 months later) he will be playing against 10 and 11th graders in school fall ball. Just give up the game now, go an play ping pong or some other non-contact sport. If you and you kid are still scared at this point its time to give it up.

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It’s true. An email went out to 91 Maryland parents today saying notification was sent to all 91 teams, nationally. The limit is actually 5 holdbacks, after final negotiation. Apparently one of the teams (Madlax?) was fighting it variously. They don’t specify what happens to the holdbacks that don’t make the cut. I imagine they will stay with their clubs, but have to play on age. It only says, “more to info to follow from your individual coaching staffs.”



I got it too. Looks like a done deal. Going to be very interesting year.




Great news!!! Johnny will only play against 5 HBs (5 = half a team) in the NLF tournament next summer. So if you are limiting the # of HBs you know the 5 they bring are going to be big and strong.

But starting in the Fall (2 months later) he will be playing against 10 and 11th graders in school fall ball. Just give up the game now, go an play ping pong or some other non-contact sport. If you and you kid are still scared at this point its time to give it up.


I got the email too! This is a good start and a good gesture. You're probably right that the remaining holdbacks will be the biggest/baddest.. but still, this may be the beginning of a larger change in clubs' attitudes towards age based.

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It’s true. An email went out to 91 Maryland parents today saying notification was sent to all 91 teams, nationally. The limit is actually 5 holdbacks, after final negotiation. Apparently one of the teams (Madlax?) was fighting it variously. They don’t specify what happens to the holdbacks that don’t make the cut. I imagine they will stay with their clubs, but have to play on age. It only says, “more to info to follow from your individual coaching staffs.”



I got it too. Looks like a done deal. Going to be very interesting year.




Great news!!! Johnny will only play against 5 HBs (5 = half a team) in the NLF tournament next summer. So if you are limiting the # of HBs you know the 5 they bring are going to be big and strong.

But starting in the Fall (2 months later) he will be playing against 10 and 11th graders in school fall ball. Just give up the game now, go an play ping pong or some other non-contact sport. If you and you kid are still scared at this point its time to give it up.


My on age kid has been embarrassing your scared ExLax holdback for 7 years now, even though he is literally half his size.

So how do you think it’s going to go in HS when he is 6’1” and 195 lbs of power, speed and talent, while your reclass is still 5’7” and 130 lbs of pure inferiority complex? Heard the Walmart has a blue light special on pull-ups. Better stock up!!

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My son is the only on age player on 2024 Madlax and he gets no playing time at all. The coach told me I should reclassify my son so he can play on the 2025 Madlax team. He promised me that he would start every game and never come off the field. He also promised me a full ride at a top D1 school. Sounds like a really great deal. Should I do it?

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My son is the only on age player on 2024 Madlax and he gets no playing time at all. The coach told me I should reclassify my son so he can play on the 2025 Madlax team. He promised me that he would start every game and never come off the field. He also promised me a full ride at a top D1 school. Sounds like a really great deal. Should I do it?



Definitely. Just make sure you get it in writing!

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My son is the only on age player on 2024 Madlax and he gets no playing time at all. The coach told me I should reclassify my son so he can play on the 2025 Madlax team. He promised me that he would start every game and never come off the field. He also promised me a full ride at a top D1 school. Sounds like a really great deal. Should I do it?



Lame attempt at sarcasm/hyperbole, try again LI dad/kid

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My son is the only on age player on 2024 Madlax and he gets no playing time at all. The coach told me I should reclassify my son so he can play on the 2025 Madlax team. He promised me that he would start every game and never come off the field. He also promised me a full ride at a top D1 school. Sounds like a really great deal. Should I do it?



I'm sooooo excited! I took the coaches advice and we're headed to 2025 and that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! Coach just called to congratulate us on our decision. As luck would have it, he now says that he has this really great deal on some swamp land in Florida that he can sell me real cheap! I'm all over it. Love this Madlax team! They really take care of their own!!

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In another fortunate turn of events for you, I learned that the college recruiting rules are now changing. They are still keeping the no contract prior to September JR year rule for HS athletes so that they can end the practice of recruiting 8th graders as they have in the past. However, based on a recently discovered loophole in the policy, it does not say anything about offering 7th graders a spot. Your son should be getting that verbal offer from JHU any day now.

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My son is the only on age player on 2024 Madlax and he gets no playing time at all. The coach told me I should reclassify my son so he can play on the 2025 Madlax team. He promised me that he would start every game and never come off the field. He also promised me a full ride at a top D1 school. Sounds like a really great deal. Should I do it?



I'm sooooo excited! I took the coaches advice and we're headed to 2025 and that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! Coach just called to congratulate us on our decision. As luck would have it, he now says that he has this really great deal on some swamp land in Florida that he can sell me real cheap! I'm all over it. Love this Madlax team! They really take care of their own!!




That's nothing! My kid reclassed to 2024, and they gave me a phenomenal deal on the BROOKLYN BRIDGE!

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My son is the only on age player on 2024 Madlax and he gets no playing time at all. The coach told me I should reclassify my son so he can play on the 2025 Madlax team. He promised me that he would start every game and never come off the field. He also promised me a full ride at a top D1 school. Sounds like a really great deal. Should I do it?



I'm sooooo excited! I took the coaches advice and we're headed to 2025 and that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! Coach just called to congratulate us on our decision. As luck would have it, he now says that he has this really great deal on some swamp land in Florida that he can sell me real cheap! I'm all over it. Love this Madlax team! They really take care of their own!!




That's nothing! My kid reclassed to 2024, and they gave me a phenomenal deal on the BROOKLYN BRIDGE!



Wait a minute! They sold me the Brooklyn bridge when I reclassified my kid! Are there two bridges in Brooklyn??

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It’s true. An email went out to 91 Maryland parents today saying notification was sent to all 91 teams, nationally. The limit is actually 5 holdbacks, after final negotiation. Apparently one of the teams (Madlax?) was fighting it variously. They don’t specify what happens to the holdbacks that don’t make the cut. I imagine they will stay with their clubs, but have to play on age. It only says, “more to info to follow from your individual coaching staffs.”



I got it too. Looks like a done deal. Going to be very interesting year.




Great news!!! Johnny will only play against 5 HBs (5 = half a team) in the NLF tournament next summer. So if you are limiting the # of HBs you know the 5 they bring are going to be big and strong.

But starting in the Fall (2 months later) he will be playing against 10 and 11th graders in school fall ball. Just give up the game now, go an play ping pong or some other non-contact sport. If you and you kid are still scared at this point its time to give it up.


I got the email too! This is a good start and a good gesture. You're probably right that the remaining holdbacks will be the biggest/baddest.. but still, this may be the beginning of a larger change in clubs' attitudes towards age based.


This would be funny if true. Question, who enforces this rule?
1. The rent a ref who is working his fifth game in 100 degree weather
2. The kid on the golf cart who is flying right past an injured kid on another field?
3. Greasy Looney's mom who can demand a birth certificate from the other teams parents after her 8th cup of red solo?

I am sure the coach giving jersey's out in the parking lot to the 15 year old guest player will be sure to verify the age. As long as five players are allowed to be older why not bring in college "guest players." I am sure Madlax guy was holding crossed fingers behind his back when he agreed to this. OK 91 we will only have five...Right....

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league


Say a lot of things, but joke of a league isnt one of them. Sorry your son cant make a NLF team. He might just not be cut out for D1 play. NLF tournaments are loaded with D1 coaches.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league


Say a lot of things, but joke of a league isnt one of them. Sorry your son cant make a NLF team. He might just not be cut out for D1 play. NLF tournaments are loaded with D1 coaches.

host all the top teams in it and it would be legit. That’s a fact and you know it . Nothing to do with D1. If they did do that WSYL would not even exist. Which it’s already on its way out

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league


Say a lot of things, but joke of a league isnt one of them. Sorry your son cant make a NLF team. He might just not be cut out for D1 play. NLF tournaments are loaded with D1 coaches.

host all the top teams in it and it would be legit. That’s a fact and you know it . Nothing to do with D1. If they did do that WSYL would not even exist. Which it’s already on its way out


It always boils down to $. NLF's club members want exclusivity (via veto power for letting in new clubs) for marketing/competitive purposes. I agree that they should allow top teams (not necessarily the entire club) to participate in their tournaments via invitation or qualifiers. But hey, lax is not a democracy.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


“Guaranteed dominance”? ML holdback team beats Lowly Hawks by 2 goals. And beats a subpar LI Express team by same margin. That doesn’t meet my definition of “dominance”. And that’s their holdback team. And you’re telling me their kids that never see the field would do “fine”? Sorry parent of an on age ML player, but they would be crushed by any top 10 team. They may have a few “good” players, but that team would play in B tourneys.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


You want to hear something really funny your age sons are really aging out of the we have to win this tournament age anyway. They are hitting the did I play well for the college coach age. The winning record means nothing as long as your son is playing on the fields to be seen. That is the most important part. NO coach and I mean No college coach will ask your son what his travel record was / is . Just relax on the winning these things and start looking and preparing for your son to show the best he can when you show up at these travel tournaments. If your son is the 5th attack on a great team find a new team now when there is time to be in top 3 at the new club. If your son is the second goalie you should of been left this travel team. If you son plays middie you can get away with hanging on for another year or two the club will have turnover for sure.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


“Guaranteed dominance”? ML holdback team beats Lowly Hawks by 2 goals. And beats a subpar LI Express team by same margin. That doesn’t meet my definition of “dominance”. And that’s their holdback team. And you’re telling me their kids that never see the field would do “fine”? Sorry parent of an on age ML player, but they would be crushed by any top 10 team. They may have a few “good” players, but that team would play in B tourneys.




Who knows really.. we will never know because I doubt it will ever happen. Ok maybe "dominant" is the wrong term, but until a team, any team, beats ML one time, then you can use any word to describe it. Bec right now, they are "undefeated".

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



If that is the case, then NLF just dug its own grave. That makes no sense. Any club outside of LI where the school cutoff is 1/1/06 will stop going. A 1/1/06 cut off eliminates a 1/3 (4 months from Sept 1 to Dec 31) of any 2024 team outside of LI. And don't forget LI is in the minority here. For the most part, the rest of the country uses 9/1/05. That is why USL adopted 9/1/05. Why would any non-LI club team want to use an age cutoff for a grade base tournament that doesn't line up with their grade start date??

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



That would leave only the goalie. All 9 of the starting field players have birthdays before 1/1/06. The owner would have to pick his two kids and only get three more kids. Madlax will stop going to NLF and so will the college scouts for that matter. No point in going to UMass. Might as well move the tournament to Farmingdale. It will save the LI teams the drive.

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Fake news....my son is a starter (has been for years) and was born before after 1/1/06.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



Makes perfect sense to me. 91 is the driving force behind the NLF and 91 is based in Long Island, where apparently they don’t have a surplus of holdbacks. Trying to level off the playing field. I get it. Maybe the 1/1 cut off seems early to some, but compared to the unbridled abuse of the use of holdbacks in some areas to include our area, it pales in comparison. Time to swing the pendulum the other way for awhile. Seems only fair to me. Yes, I am the parent of an on age player who is one of the victims of the holdback abuse. Personally, I think this is the best thing that could have ever happened. Long time coming!

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


“Guaranteed dominance”? ML holdback team beats Lowly Hawks by 2 goals. And beats a subpar LI Express team by same margin. That doesn’t meet my definition of “dominance”. And that’s their holdback team. And you’re telling me their kids that never see the field would do “fine”? Sorry parent of an on age ML player, but they would be crushed by any top 10 team. They may have a few “good” players, but that team would play in B tourneys.




Who knows really.. we will never know because I doubt it will ever happen. Ok maybe "dominant" is the wrong term, but until a team, any team, beats ML one time, then you can use any word to describe it. Bec right now, they are "undefeated".



Undefeated or not, it really doesn't matter. If a team is beating mediocre teams by two goals, which equates to a call or two, or a ground ball or two, the team isn't all that good. Not a fan of teams from LI, but I can think of a team or two from there that could likely beat them, had they played last year, and we all know that LI teams are over a year younger than ML. So, yeah, I'm not impressed. Your logic of the post was based on ML's team being "dominant" and based on that, their back-ups must be the next best thing to "dominant". The logic doesn't hold any water. Their High School age starters are serviceable against teams that are over a year younger. You may be in awe, because they beat your kids team, but last time I checked, 2023 teams are suppose to beat 2024 teams. Back to the point. If they can barely win games against "OK" teams with their holdbacks, then their far younger and smaller back-ups are pretty far down the totem-pole.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



If that is the case, then NLF just dug its own grave. That makes no sense. Any club outside of LI where the school cutoff is 1/1/06 will stop going. A 1/1/06 cut off eliminates a 1/3 (4 months from Sept 1 to Dec 31) of any 2024 team outside of LI. And don't forget LI is in the minority here. For the most part, the rest of the country uses 9/1/05. That is why USL adopted 9/1/05. Why would any non-LI club team want to use an age cutoff for a grade base tournament that doesn't line up with their grade start date??



You better re-check your cut-off dates, because I just did, and it is not as cut and dried as you would like to portray it. You're obviously a parent of one of the ML re-classed players.

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