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Nothing? After all the A and B team hubbub?

Hubbub about what? Hoco got fleeced, Skywalkers got better, Hero’s got worse, Coppermine and Nems didn’t change, and M&D got better

Nothing? After all the A and B team hubbub?

Don't start. It's a new season.... don't stir the pot already

Will be interesting! Heros will be going for the 3peat in NGLL. How did Heros get worse. They picked up a great goalie, and a draw specialist.

Enjoy it now, because as with most of the heros teams by the time they get to high school age most of the Skywalkers and M&D girls have past them by and are much better because of the quality of coaching they receive at those 2 clubs.

Great for Heros, very exciting for a 7th grade team to have a specialist at such a young age.

It is sad when teams only have one girl take the draw. It is all about the tee shirts LOL

The new Hero’s goalie, takes minutes away from the best league goalie, and she wasn’t the best on her d team

Enjoy it now, because as with most of the heros teams by the time they get to high school age most of the Skywalkers and M&D girls have past them by and are much better because of the quality of coaching they receive at those 2 clubs.

This statement is a joke correct ??

Not a joke, just a fact

I dont know if she is the best. She takes up space and makes more body saves because of that. As shooters develop (like they are at this age) she is going to have to make stick saves. MnD lost a good goalie to Hero's but to your point that could be more of an issue depending on how playtime shared. Always stinks to take out a hot goalie for one that has been sitting a half.

Of course all these games are for development and eventually being seen by college coaches not so much winning the games anyway. I do enjoy the koolaid bantar of who is the best and who lost the best player. A few years from now you will get it.

How did tryouts go for Coppermine and NEMS? I'm curious if they had a good turnout since so many of the other teams had early tryouts. Sounds like Coppermine lost quite a few of their top players.

How did tryouts go for Coppermine and NEMS? I'm curious if they had a good turnout since so many of the other teams had early tryouts. Sounds like Coppermine lost quite a few of their top players.

Best in the league? I don't know about that, but the team is only stronger with both of those goalies. The new one is a strong player with a different style than their current. I will be interested to see how the team chooses to play them.

Since Hero's didn't finish #1 in the Club Lax rankings (for whatever they're worth), they clearly had room to improve (as Ricky Bobby says, "if you aren't first, you're last"), so swiping a strong goalie from one of the teams above them clearly tells me that they aren't standing pat being 2nd lost (3rd place), so kudos to them. We will see how it plays out.

I have news for you. M&D is a collector of very talented lacrosse players - it has nothing to do with the coaching. Almost every team there now is being coach by some girl's parent who has lacrosse experience. Some have lots of coaching experience (although I'm not sure the experience translates) other have rec-ball coaching experience. M&D is not some club where magic coaches make the teams good. The players come to that club already good. Anyone who says other wise is not being honest

Amen

Finally the truth-nicely done. I do feel bad for the midlevel coaches busting butt to develop these kids who later bolt.

Very true. Though it takes the "right" coach to manage that talent and put them in position to win. Girls have come on board to teams like MnD and Hero's and can't buy in. Those players often find themselves looking for new teams where they can freelance and be "the girl".

True but I bet you could take most coaches and give then that talent and wins would be plentiful. Lacrosse is a game of who has the most talented players-college included. Presbyterian will not beat Maryland ever (not because of coaching)

Probably against the mid-level and weaker teams. When you play teams of equal talent coaching makes a difference. Players win games, coaches lose them.

Coaches lose them? Bet your a fun parent to have on a team, and I bet you have the coach on speedial.

I have news for you. M&D is a collector of very talented lacrosse players - it has nothing to do with the coaching. Almost every team there now is being coach by some girl's parent who has lacrosse experience. Some have lots of coaching experience (although I'm not sure the experience translates) other have rec-ball coaching experience. M&D is not some club where magic coaches make the teams good. The players come to that club already good. Anyone who says other wise is not being honest [/quote]

Very true. Though it takes the "right" coach to manage that talent and put them in position to win. Girls have come on board to teams like MnD and Hero's and can't buy in. Those players often find themselves looking for new teams where they can freelance and be "the girl".[/quote]
True but I bet you could take most coaches and give then that talent and wins would be plentiful. Lacrosse is a game of who has the most talented players-college included. Presbyterian will not beat Maryland ever (not because of coaching)[/quote]
Probably against the mid-level and weaker teams. When you play teams of equal talent coaching makes a difference. Players win games, coaches lose them.[/quote]

Coaches lose them? Bet your a fun parent to have on a team, and I bet you have the coach on speedial.
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Good question is if that coach was put on weaker team maybe midlevel -would they become a dominant team due to that superior coaching.

Coaches lose them? Bet your a fun parent to have on a team, and I bet you have the coach on speedial.
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You are joking right? You must be one of those parents that never played a sport if you do not understand this concept. The best coaches regardless of talent take the blame for a loss and give the players all the credit for wins. So yes players win game and coaches lose them.

ya'll on crack?

Just for fun/debate, fall rankings:


1. Hero's- Cannot argue their record in championship games last year. Can they duplicate this fall?
2. M&D- On paper one of the most talented teams in the country. Can they win the big games?
3. NEMS- Good core group of talent. Gave some teams some trouble. Can the get over the hump?
4. Skywalkers- A decent team with some athletes. Did they players they added fill in the holes?
5. LBC- Always a tough team. Can they replace key players lost?
6. Pride- Narrowly missed the playoffs last year. Did they add depth to get them in the final 4.
7. Stars- Like Pride missed the playoffs by 2 games. Did they recruit will in the off season?
8. MD United- Did they lock down the talent in AA Co? will the added players get them out of the cellar?
9. Red Shirts- Moving back to B is not a bad option.
10. FCA- Too bad Calvert Hall is a boys school but luckily they will get to play TLC or MC Midnight
11. TLC/MC Midnight- Hopefully they added some talent to put some points on the board. Last year their combined goals between the 2 teams was less than 11 of the 14 teams in the league.

You need to change the positions of NEMS and Pride. Should be M&D, Hero's, Sky Walkers, Pride, and then all the others.

Are you for real? Only "those" parents are worried about which team will win the NGLL. 7th grade

What about Coppermine and Hoco?

Good catch. Based on the players both teams lost I would have to lump them in there between MD United and Redshirts. If they picked a up a few they may be a tad above those 2. But based on water cooler roomers they both lost a lot of players.

Sky Walkers had a joke NGLL schedule. They played two 0-8 teams and one 1-7 team. They only had 1 win against a team with a winning record. And get blown out by M&D 19-1, which is M&D's biggest goal differential for the season. There is probably 6 other teams in the pool that would have made the playoffs if they had Sky Walkers schedule.

wow..this 7th grade girls lacrosse must be some serious LaxinItUp.

Well something must have happened between the Skywalker games against M&D in the NGLL and at the end of the season. They tied them and should've beaten them in the Germantown tournament. Skywalkers will be an improved team this year - especially if/when they cut the size or their roster. Also - besides the two games against HEro's - M&D had their share of blowouts too.

It's not that Skywalkers had a joke NGLL schedule - it's that once you get past the top 4 teams at this age - the caliber of the teams fall off.

Could you please explain why you posted this? What team does your daughter play for? Who are the other 6 teams that could have made it? Pride definitely is very talented. HOCO might have had a shot. Not sure who else you are considering.

You could have mentioned that:
1. Sky Walkers played Hero's tough in the NGLL semifinal. Sky Walkers was beating them at the half but Hero's was able to control the draws and played extremely well in the second half. Hero's is very talented and ended up winning NGLL for the 2nd year in a row.
2. Sky Walkers tied M&D in the Capital City Lax Festival Tournament. That was exciting considering the high level of respect Sky Walkers has for M&D.
3. Sky Walkers held the Yellow Jackets to 5 points at the MidAtlantic Summer Club Championships.
4. Sky Walkers had nothing to do with the NGLL schedule. There were many weak teams that had to play someone.

Sky Walkers consistently enters the toughest tournaments and plays the hardest teams--look it up for yourself. Their record at tournaments may not always be the best, but they are always looking to play the best--M&D, Hero's, Yellow Jackets, Pride, etc.

Best of luck to your team and your daughter.

"Could you please explain why you posted this? What team does your daughter play for? Who are the other 6 teams that could have made it? Pride definitely is very talented. HOCO might have had a shot. Not sure who else you are considering."


He posted that because he wants to stir the pot. Why not just give props to all these girls - who cares that the Skywalkers 11 & 12 yr olds had an easier schedule ( that they had no control over) than other teams?. All the top teams had blow out games / all had some close games. Skywalkers improved by the end of the season and that's what matters. M&D will likely always have the strongest team - but Skywalkers is always right there too. Their teams just take a little longer to gel. Trust me I've been around long enough to see it.

These parents are wayyyy tooo serious for 12 year old lacrosse.

After watching games last year there should be A B C brackets

Top 6 only should be in one bracket-I like the 3 brackets suggested

3 brackets would make sense. Run the NGLL like one of the Summer Tournaments with several brackets.

Also CC LAX and Integrity are moving up to A. Is M&D Red or Hero's White moving up as well?

CC Lax and M&D Red yes Inetgrity and hero white will get pasted in A

All 4 would be better than FCA, TLC and MC Elite

I agree with the 3 brackets

Teams like MDU and Integrity don't belong in A

I like 3 brackets of 6 or 8 teams with each team playing each other 1x. That way there are no teams that have an "easier" schedule. Top 4 teams make it if its a 6 team league and top 6 make in an 8 team league (with 1 and 2 getting bi's).

Yes

Skywalkers definitely had the easier schedule. Looking back at last season, Pride, Nems, Hoco, Stars and even Coppermine could have had a shot for the playoffs had they played similar schedules. Then we would be complaining about how "they" had an "joke" schedule.

Sky Walkers has beaten all of the teams you listed throughout the summer season except for Pride. Time to tell us what you are really upset about. Let it out because we are here to help you. Not good to hang onto things for so long.

Last year Sky Walkers won 1 game and lost 7. Can you show me one post where Sky Walkers was complaining about their schedule and losing 7 games? Sky Walkers took the schedule that was provided and did the best they could as did all of the other programs. The reality is that high school and college coaches won't be asking your daughters how their team did in NGLL or at any of the tournaments. You can keep focusing on wins and schedules, but ultimately you just end up letting the kids down. Trust me, all of the top teams will be happier taking a tough loss against a strong team then beating a team easily.

Just a little heads up-Coaches recruit players not teams. They don't give a hoot about wins and losses and tee shirts won.
Make sure your daughter is one of the top players on her team or she will be sorry. Find a well coached team that also develops girls instead of just collecting talent (as someone previously stated). NGLL is fun and a great money maker for CR but no one is watching during college lax season.

My daughter doesn't play for any of those teams mentioned so my comment is unbiased. You mention what HS and college coaches are asking them when they are 2 years out from HS and you talk about letting kids down? Give me a break. This is about the 2019 fall and 2020 spring season. So yes, it is an open forum to discuss win's, losses, who got the crappy call or schedule. We'll save the college discussion for the 2024 season.

The "win" is your daughter's development and how well the team executes. I can appreciate that parents and daughters have different goals and therefore the conversations on this site will differ quite a bit. Personally, I'll tell my daughter to let the losers worry about winning. Losers always find excuses for failures and learn to blame others. Winners take responsibility for themselves and keep pushing to improve regardless of outcomes. Winners see failures as learning opportunities. Coaches and parents that always worry about the wins are less worried about team development--they are thinking short term. So I respect everyone's opinion and need to discuss wins, losses, schedules, etc, but don't let that take away from your daughter's love for the sport. My daughter and I rarely discuss scores. I congratulate her on nice dodges, passes, and generally just executing plays well. She loves the sport and looks forward to getting outdoors with her teammates, which is more priceless than any win.

That's great. Your daughter can accomplish all that by playing for a good rec team. That said, if that is your true philosophy, then why have your daughter play for such a competitive team and league? If you didn't care about winning, why doesn't your daughter play for a lower level team and help develop that team? is it because they don't win or is it because they aren't as talented (therefore they don't win)? I mean they have good coaches also that can develop your daughter. I'm not here to attack you but at the same time, don't jump on a board (for a competitive sport and league like this one) and play this "holier than thou" attitude. Your daughter, like mine is playing on their respective teams to compete at high level. And last time I checked competitive teams and people like to win. Making friends and enjoying the moment are part of the ride.

It's this undeveloped and defensive mind set that causes many of the issues today. Your post is argumentative rather than trying to have a discussion. My daughter plays for multiple competitive teams in 3 sports. My daughter has developed into a strong player on competitive teams by not focusing on the wins.
Here's what parent's and coaches sound like when focusing on the win:
1. "Go to goal!" (i.e. neglect your teammates and learning)
2. "That wasn't a foul!" (let's blame the ref instead of focusing on improving the player)
3. "That girl/team just plays dirty!" (let's blame the other teams for player deficiencies).
4. "What is wrong with you, make the play!" (arguing with daughters after each game. Daughters start to play conservatively rather than feeling free to experiment and learning from mistakes.
5. "We should move to a team that wins more." (blaming the players and coaches rather than trying to improve the player).
6. "I'll give you $5 for each goal you score!"
7. "Why would they put you on defense? Don't they know how good you are?"

Shortsighted people who don't have their daughter's best interest really like to focus on the win. The key here isn't that we don't enjoy winning--we just don't focus on winning at the expense of developing the team. I know you won't be able to comprehend this, because you are too interested in being right rather than considering what may be best for your daughter. Why not focus on being constructive and work on building your daughter into a strong and confident woman?

Trust me, by concentrating on the fundamentals and making sure the focus is on execution you will find that the wins just keep on coming. Just stop making this about you and let your daughter enjoy the ride. My wife and I have coached at many levels and we have found that you are they type of parent that everyone dreads. Good luck.

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Skywalkers definitely had the easier schedule. Looking back at last season, Pride, Nems, Hoco, Stars and even Coppermine could have had a shot for the playoffs had they played similar schedules. Then we would be complaining about how "they" had an "joke" schedule. [/quote]

Sky Walkers has beaten all of the teams you listed throughout the summer season except for Pride. Time to tell us what you are really upset about. Let it out because we are here to help you. Not good to hang onto things for so long.

Last year Sky Walkers won 1 game and lost 7. Can you show me one post where Sky Walkers was complaining about their schedule and losing 7 games? Sky Walkers took the schedule that was provided and did the best they could as did all of the other programs. The reality is that high school and college coaches won't be asking your daughters how their team did in NGLL or at any of the tournaments. You can keep focusing on wins and schedules, but ultimately you just end up letting the kids down

The "win" is your daughter's development and how well the team executes. I can appreciate that parents and daughters have different goals and therefore the conversations on this site will differ quite a bit. Personally, I'll tell my daughter to let the losers worry about winning. Losers always find excuses for failures and learn to blame others. Winners take responsibility for themselves and keep pushing to improve regardless of outcomes. Winners see failures as learning opportunities. Coaches and parents that always worry about the wins are less worried about team development--they are thinking short term. So I respect everyone's opinion and need to discuss wins, losses, schedules, etc, but don't let that take away from your daughter's love for the sport. My daughter and I rarely discuss scores. I congratulate her on nice dodges, passes, and generally just executing plays well. She loves the sport and looks forward to getting outdoors with her teammates, which is more priceless than any win.[/quote]

That's great. Your daughter can accomplish all that by playing for a good rec team. That said, if that is your true philosophy, then why have your daughter play for such a competitive team and league? If you didn't care about winning, why doesn't your daughter play for a lower level team and help develop that team? is it because they don't win or is it because they aren't as talented (therefore they don't win)? I mean they have good coaches also that can develop your daughter. I'm not here to attack you but at the same time, don't jump on a board (for a competitive sport and league like this one) and play this "holier than thou" attitude. Your daughter, like mine is playing on their respective teams to compete at high level. And last time I checked competitive teams and people like to win. Making friends and enjoying the moment are part of the ride. [/quote]

It's this undeveloped and defensive mind set that causes many of the issues today. Your post is argumentative rather than trying to have a discussion. My daughter plays for multiple competitive teams in 3 sports. My daughter has developed into a strong player on competitive teams by not focusing on the wins.
Here's what parent's and coaches sound like when focusing on the win:
1. "Go to goal!" (i.e. neglect your teammates and learning)
2. "That wasn't a foul!" (let's blame the ref instead of focusing on improving the player)
3. "That girl/team just plays dirty!" (let's blame the other teams for player deficiencies).
4. "What is wrong with you, make the play!" (arguing with daughters after each game. Daughters start to play conservatively rather than feeling free to experiment and learning from mistakes.
5. "We should move to a team that wins more." (blaming the players and coaches rather than trying to improve the player).
6. "I'll give you $5 for each goal you score!"
7. "Why would they put you on defense? Don't they know how good you are?"

Shortsighted people who don't have their daughter's best interest really like to focus on the win. The key here isn't that we don't enjoy winning--we just don't focus on winning at the expense of developing the team. I know you won't be able to comprehend this, because you are too interested in being right rather than considering what may be best for your daughter. Why not focus on being constructive and work on building your daughter into a strong and confident woman?

Trust me, by concentrating on the fundamentals and making sure the focus is on execution you will find that the wins just keep on coming. Just stop making this about you and let your daughter enjoy the ride. My wife and I have coached at many levels and we have found that you are they type of parent that everyone dreads. Good luck.

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You seem to be making a lot of assumptions and trying to attack me. But I will say this I too have coached at the rec, hs and even collegiate level developed my fair share of players along the way. Each one of those players always put team first and that started from the top. So please stop with “i’m The type of parent coaches dread”. My kids have been playing organized sports for years and I have never approAched a coach other than to thank and complement them. So you have no clue on my team philosophy.

From what I gather (based on your post) is that your daughter plays 3 sports at a competitive level (yay, so do most of these girls at this level) and that she doesn’t mind losing. This is all great but you didn’t answer the question of why? If winning a game or playing io win a game do not matter then why have them play on a competitive team and league? Why not play rec or for a less competitive team? I see plenty of good athletes that want to develop and have “fun” and choose to do just that.

And for the record the original debate was skywalkers having an easier schedule. Which is a fact. They played 4 teams with a losing record and did not have to play heroes or lbc in the regular season. Though I’m sure that the person doing schedules having ties to sw had nothing to do with that...

While we are at it maybe you can explain why sw opted to skip a game at l4tc? Did they care so little about winning that they skipped the game? Screwing the other team that traveled out of a game.

Skywalkers definitely had the easier schedule. Looking back at last season, Pride, Nems, Hoco, Stars and even Coppermine could have had a shot for the playoffs had they played similar schedules. Then we would be complaining about how "they" had an "joke" schedule. [/quote]

Sky Walkers has beaten all of the teams you listed throughout the summer season except for Pride. Time to tell us what you are really upset about. Let it out because we are here to help you. Not good to hang onto things for so long.

Last year Sky Walkers won 1 game and lost 7. Can you show me one post where Sky Walkers was complaining about their schedule and losing 7 games? Sky Walkers took the schedule that was provided and did the best they could as did all of the other programs. The reality is that high school and college coaches won't be asking your daughters how their team did in NGLL or at any of the tournaments. You can keep focusing on wins and schedules, but ultimately you just end up letting the kids down

The "win" is your daughter's development and how well the team executes. I can appreciate that parents and daughters have different goals and therefore the conversations on this site will differ quite a bit. Personally, I'll tell my daughter to let the losers worry about winning. Losers always find excuses for failures and learn to blame others. Winners take responsibility for themselves and keep pushing to improve regardless of outcomes. Winners see failures as learning opportunities. Coaches and parents that always worry about the wins are less worried about team development--they are thinking short term. So I respect everyone's opinion and need to discuss wins, losses, schedules, etc, but don't let that take away from your daughter's love for the sport. My daughter and I rarely discuss scores. I congratulate her on nice dodges, passes, and generally just executing plays well. She loves the sport and looks forward to getting outdoors with her teammates, which is more priceless than any win.[/quote]

That's great. Your daughter can accomplish all that by playing for a good rec team. That said, if that is your true philosophy, then why have your daughter play for such a competitive team and league? If you didn't care about winning, why doesn't your daughter play for a lower level team and help develop that team? is it because they don't win or is it because they aren't as talented (therefore they don't win)? I mean they have good coaches also that can develop your daughter. I'm not here to attack you but at the same time, don't jump on a board (for a competitive sport and league like this one) and play this "holier than thou" attitude. Your daughter, like mine is playing on their respective teams to compete at high level. And last time I checked competitive teams and people like to win. Making friends and enjoying the moment are part of the ride. [/quote]

It's this undeveloped and defensive mind set that causes many of the issues today. Your post is argumentative rather than trying to have a discussion. My daughter plays for multiple competitive teams in 3 sports. My daughter has developed into a strong player on competitive teams by not focusing on the wins.
Here's what parent's and coaches sound like when focusing on the win:
1. "Go to goal!" (i.e. neglect your teammates and learning)
2. "That wasn't a foul!" (let's blame the ref instead of focusing on improving the player)
3. "That girl/team just plays dirty!" (let's blame the other teams for player deficiencies).
4. "What is wrong with you, make the play!" (arguing with daughters after each game. Daughters start to play conservatively rather than feeling free to experiment and learning from mistakes.
5. "We should move to a team that wins more." (blaming the players and coaches rather than trying to improve the player).
6. "I'll give you $5 for each goal you score!"
7. "Why would they put you on defense? Don't they know how good you are?"

Shortsighted people who don't have their daughter's best interest really like to focus on the win. The key here isn't that we don't enjoy winning--we just don't focus on winning at the expense of developing the team. I know you won't be able to comprehend this, because you are too interested in being right rather than considering what may be best for your daughter. Why not focus on being constructive and work on building your daughter into a strong and confident woman?

Trust me, by concentrating on the fundamentals and making sure the focus is on execution you will find that the wins just keep on coming. Just stop making this about you and let your daughter enjoy the ride. My wife and I have coached at many levels and we have found that you are they type of parent that everyone dreads. Good luck.

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You seem to be making a lot of assumptions and trying to attack me. But I will say this I too have coached at the rec, hs and even collegiate level developed my fair share of players along the way. Each one of those players always put team first and that started from the top. So please stop with “i’m The type of parent coaches dread”. My kids have been playing organized sports for years and I have never approAched a coach other than to thank and complement them. So you have no clue on my team philosophy.

From what I gather (based on your post) is that your daughter plays 3 sports at a competitive level (yay, so do most of these girls at this level) and that she doesn’t mind losing. This is all great but you didn’t answer the question of why? If winning a game or playing io win a game do not matter then why have them play on a competitive team and league? Why not play rec or for a less competitive team? I see plenty of good athletes that want to develop and have “fun” and choose to do just that.

And for the record the original debate was skywalkers having an easier schedule. Which is a fact. They played 4 teams with a losing record and did not have to play heroes or lbc in the regular season. Though I’m sure that the person doing schedules having ties to sw had nothing to do with that...

While we are at it maybe you can explain why sw opted to skip a game at l4tc? Did they care so little about winning that they skipped the game? Screwing the other team that traveled out of a game.

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You have just proven that you cannot be reasoned with. I would have thought your understanding of player development would be higher considering your collegiate level of experience. The focus of high level clubs is to get their girls into college lacrosse programs. High level clubs focus on execution. Call them and ask them. Good coaches focus on mobilizing 12 girls to play as a team. Your daughter wins when the thousands of dollars spent on club lacrosse translates into high school varsity placement and playing in college. I'm not saying it isn't fun to win, but aren't you more excited to see your daughter effectively executing what she has learned during a game? In the end, it doesn't matter if my daughter and I like losing or like winning games, it matters if she was trained to play at a high level. I'm not paying thousands of dollars each year in hopes of winning games. High school and college coaches don't care about club team wins or loses (parents do though). College coaches come to showcases which are meant to display a girls talent and not look at who wins or loses. Focus on developing your daughters talent and celebrate that progress as the real win (and if she also wins the game too, fantastic).

Regarding your Sky Walkers fixation, I would suggest reading through prior posts. Is there some reason you are trying to slander the Sky Walkers program? Why does it matter what schedule Sky Walkers has or who they play? You are losing sight of the big picture which is surprising considering your collegiate level of experience. I hope you win all of your games and everyone is happy.

Individual player development is important, but also no one wants to be on a 0-8 NGLL team.

True but if your daughter is standing at the X retrieving missed shots on a 8-0 team -she will not be getting that college offer.

There needs to be a balance. You don't need to be on a team that 8 & 0 - especially if you're near the bottom of the roster. But being on a team that loses every game stinks too. If girls would stay put at clubs other than the big three - the teams in Balto would be more balanced. Then you would have good girls playing at a bunch of different teams. Not good players sitting the bench and SW and M&D while comparable girls play more for whatever reason.

I have older kids -- trust me you want to stand out on your team

I totally agree-the movement of girls away from improving midlevel clubs keeps them struggling. It would be a great ride if multiple teams were competitive. It is tough for coaches to gage talent with teams lopsided.

Wow just saw that MDU has a West (B) team this year-why. The A team is not good.

$$$

@ 2k a kid its hard to turn down another 36-40+k. But yeah this is all about development.

The numbers really add up. I thought MD united had a lot of new girls come from LBC or CC lax? All of the costs are murky would love to see the books. More teams more discounts for tourneys? Travel points for stay to play tourneys? I wonder what it is after costs? Is it $400 profit per player? Or does that seem to high? I was hoping we could find out something from that lawsuit in Long island.

Actually, they lost a lot of quality players and a goalie, but they took a lot of unskilled rec type players to have the B team. Nice moneygrab .

From what I hear MDU sends out detailed club financials to all the parents detailing where the club fees are spent.

Also they added a few quality players, I think 3 or 4 from M&D and LBC.

I also heard they were calling people at home trying to complete the B team. They lost their better GK as well -she went back to CC Lax-coaching an issue

Looked at MDU website. That A team has like 4 coaches. Does each parent have a kid on the team?

SW has a White Team (B) now. Just notice it on their website. Is that a brand new team?

Skywalkers traditionally adds a White team in seventh grade.

Part of the problem-too many money grab B teams. Takes some players away from a midlevel looking for a few pieces.

How did teams do at Prime Time Young Guns? First games after tryouts for many teams so it will be interesting to see how new team members are performing.

Does it matter, it’s fall. Most teams are likely short handed due to other sports. Weather was garbage today.

Dont disagree that the games/points dont matter but still annoying final scores weren't posted to Tourney Machine

It was a glorified playday with many teams missing players...you care way too much.

SW White is not a “money grab” B team. The parents/players would prefer to be there than a mid-level due to better coaching and getting better exposure. SW White teams typically produce 8-12 lower level D1 or higher level D2 commits.

Keep drinking that Koolaid

Thanks for the sales pitch MIke

"Keep drinking that Koolaid"

Well my oldest played SW White and started lacrosse as a 7th grader and she plays low level D1

It was a glorified playday with many teams missing players...you care way too much.[/quote

I don't think you can get a fair read of any team that played on Sunday. Rain, cold and missing players make for some interesting games. I will say that Pride looks like they improved. Should be a fun season in the NGLL.

Top players on A teams in B type brackets do better but if that is all you are shooting for congrats

I don't understand what the comment "all I'm shooting for" means. My daughter decided later than her friends to pick up lacrosse. She was not good enough to make SW blue - but they offered her white - she accepted. She was a decent high school player - not the strongest on her team but a good player. She was able to get recruited on a low level D1 school. Since we're more worried about whether the school was a good fit and less about the lacrosse it worked out well for her. Not every girl playing club is going to get recruited to the top 10 -20 Div I schools. And I get the feeling you're an M&D parent - I have news for you - not every M&D black girl is going to get recruited to those schools either. Trust me - I've seen it the past couple years.

Maybe my family was shooting for a school that my daughter loves w/ the benefit of playing lacrosse there. She stays in shape - gets playing time (which is more than can be said for some black/blue/green girls going to MD, UNC, Syracuse, Hopkins, etc.) and is getting a good education with a little bit of a lax $$. If you took away the lacrosse and the $3,000 off - she would still want to be at her school . So yeah - it worked out for us.

But the whole point of my original comment was to say that YES - some people who play SW White can play DI. Obviously not all - maybe not alot - but some. And maybe they're not worried about playing DI - there's alot of schools out there. geez !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't endorse Skywalkers - but it worked out well for us. But people on here seem to want to bash them for everything. They offer a white team - people accept and pay the money. Why other people/strangers care and feel the need to comment is beyond me

they comment because its anonymous, they feel better about themselves degrading someone else's SW experience and they are usually just sad lonely people...BTW good for your kid finding the right school for her.

Back to lacrosse-did anyone watch any 25's last weekend in the rain?

The only benefit that I see being on a team's B team is that you are in the program and if you have aspirations of making their A team in theory you may have an inside track. Though in most cases coaches/parents are recruiting players from other A teams, making for more competition for limited roster spots. The reality is however the A and B teams of a program are essentially 2 different teams that do not practice together and are ran totally separate. You may wear the same uniform, share an occasional practice field or scrimmage but after that they mind as well be 2 different teams. From there you have to look at depth, players 1-12 on a B team may be good and even A quality players that may have been overlooked or chose to play on the B team but the drop off from 13-20 is huge. I'm glad it worked out for your daughter but the reality is that the 2nd team of any club's age group is a money grab (a $40k plus money grab). If you recruited the top girls on each of the B Teams to some of the mid level/emerging clubs you could add 2-3 competitive A teams to this age group.

Some advice to the 25 age group - the "A" team rosters will change a good bit once in high school particularly at M&D and SW so don't get too comfortable.

What do you tell girls number 13-20 on the B teams? Sorry you can't play club lacrosse any more, because it's just a "money grab" - just stick to rec.

These LAX Clubs have B teams because there is a demand for them. You may have a newer girl to the sport like the previous poster, or someone developing a little later.

BTW, my daughter is not in the above situation. But someone has defend my 13-20 friends of my daughter.

The defense for girls 13-20 is to save your money and in most cases playing rec at $175 is better option. Then take the 2k that you saved and put it towards training and development. I will say this, my kids have been playing club a long time and I can't remember 1 time that the coaches went over the fundamentals of catching, throwing or shooting. There just isn't enough time and the expectation is that they can already do this or are working on it outside of practice. They may pull a player aside to tweak something but certainly will not take a whole practice or pull the teams aside to work on that. But I get it. Club sports have taken over. It isn't flashy to say you play for KP, LTRC, Severna Park, Reistersown, Crofton or any other rec program. If it isn't a known club the peer pressure that kids deal with is real and in many instances paying the 2k is the immediate remedy. BUT if you are truly concerned with players 13-20 rec and training is a much better option than club. Not only from a cost perspective but many also play in indoor and fall and summer tournaments at a fraction of the cost. So don't down on rec like its some purgatory, for many kids it is a solid option to develop their skills and have success.

Totally agree -there are many A teams for midlevel clubs that could become A level teams but the B team money grab keeps them at that level. The sensitive SW parent may not have realized his D could have been a better /more showcased player for a midlevel team and end up at a better school. My D was at a midlevel team where she was the top player and ended in top 20 school. A lot of her friends left and ended up at MDU and Integrity B teams and settled for poor academic schools just to play at low D1 level and D2. Valid discussion of value of B teams.

If the parents want to spend the money on their daughters to play club, I don't see the big deal. I think they can do B team for a few years and then try to make that mid-level A team. I don't disagree with the other things that you mentioned. I just think there should be an option for a girl that wants to play club. Rec and private lessons are great, but the more stick time a player has the better they will become. My daughter does rec, club, and private lessons. I agree about the lack of fundamentals at the club level. First thing done at my daughters private lessons was throwing and catching mechanics.

The older B teams from YJ, Capital and SW have significantly better talent than most other B teams (certainly MDU and Integrity) and can compete with if not beat most mid-level A teams. These top B teams typically play against one another at G8 level tournaments and the games are intense with lot of college coaches watching. I know Capital has girls from their 2019 B team going to Harvard, UVA, William and Mary, VA Tech, Boston U and numerus NESCAC schools. Further, many of these same B girls are playing with their friends who are also teammates on nationally ranked highs school programs. Perhaps, some parents are "shooting for" an overall good experience with an established club.

M&D would be the only B team if we had to go that way. I know that will cause over sensitivity but the way things are right now -truth.