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Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.

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Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot
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[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.


It never does.

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Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot
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[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.


It never does.


Not disagreeing with you, but it seems like a kid trying to get in front of his high school coach would gravitate towards the coach's club. It happens so often in MD, you would think that the mindset is similar elsewhere.

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Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot
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[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.


It never does.


Not disagreeing with you, but it seems like a kid trying to get in front of his high school coach would gravitate towards the coach's club. It happens so often in MD, you would think that the mindset is similar elsewhere.


The talent pool in NJ isn't that great. On top of that, the coaches club isn't doing well. They have become a tier 2 club.

The real question is how did the coach get that job. The AD and coach should be worried about keeping their jobs. That pool of parents can't be happy.

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Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.[/quot
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[quote=Anonymous]Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams.
Anyone know historically what happened the summer before High School with switching? When do kids quit to focus on another sport?


A couple of clubs are going to have a hard time keeping their talent. Would rather try out for a national team than play B level lacrosse with kids that don't want to be there.


Curious whether the coaching change at one of the State's top high school programs will affect the club scene.


It never does.


Not disagreeing with you, but it seems like a kid trying to get in front of his high school coach would gravitate towards the coach's club. It happens so often in MD, you would think that the mindset is similar elsewhere.


The talent pool in NJ isn't that great. On top of that, the coaches club isn't doing well. They have become a tier 2 club.

The real question is how did the coach get that job. The AD and coach should be worried about keeping their jobs. That pool of parents can't be happy.


While not solid top to bottom (although the same can be said for all of the NJ clubs) they seem to have a few quality teams in the mix, and probably a handful of players that would be welcome on any other club. I suspect that the school parents will hold their breath for the moment and see how things progress. He's an experienced coach with a solid lacrosse pedigree, plus an unbelievable talent pool to work with.

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So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

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So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.

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Original poster clearly has no clue what he’s talking about. Good luck in your C team tournament this weekend.

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So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.


Great win for BBL and NJ lacrosse

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So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.


Great win for BBL and NJ lacrosse


Everyone outside LI would like to see them beat the Wolfpack tomorrow.

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So it looks like BBL will probably make the quarter finals based their very easy schedule so far at the WSYl. The test will be today against Long Island Express. Express shut them down easily earlier in the summer. Depending on who they play, they will never be able to touch any of the following teams. Wolfpack, Taz, True Illinois State 2024 Premier and Brotherly Love. If they lose to Express they will play Wolfpack and be done. Express has very large defenders who will be able to keep the attackmen away from the goal. We'll see.

Wow. BBl destroyed Express. Interesting.


Great win for BBL and NJ lacrosse


Everyone outside LI would like to see them beat the Wolfpack tomorrow.

As expected Wolfpack beat BBL. As expected Wolfpack is playing Taz for the championship. Everyone has been waiting for years to see these two teams fight it out on TV. I would put my money on Wolfpack. They are consistent. Taz not so much.

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Just curious... was the WSYL BBL team their usual set of kids, or did they add kids just for this tourney? They looked pretty good.

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They added some kids to replace several over aged kids on their team.

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What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?

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What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?


If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL

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Which means kids aren’t on age if they aren’t doing WSYL

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What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?


If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL


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What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?


If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL


BBL


Tri-State is losing players at multiple levels. Mad Dog needs to pick up players, they have a great core crew but are very thin. BBL needs to pick up players as well.
Challenge for most teams are parents willing to spend $3,000 to $5,000 to get beat up by LI teams that are going 3 days a week for 11 months. Look at the scores from this year. The winning teams are playing fast with transition goals. NJ teams slow it down too much.

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Which means kids aren’t on age if they aren’t doing WSYL


Not necessarily true, some teams/parents do not think that the experience is worth the cost. If you are not going to be top 2 or 3 at qualifier, it is a waste of time.

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What NJ'25 team is going to make a run at the WSYL? BBL, Tri-State, Tribal?


If Mad Dog decides to enter a team, they are probably the strongest 2025 team in NJ, United's 2025 is really good as well, but they don't get involved with WSYL


BBL


Tri-State is losing players at multiple levels. Mad Dog needs to pick up players, they have a great core crew but are very thin. BBL needs to pick up players as well.
Challenge for most teams are parents willing to spend $3,000 to $5,000 to get beat up by LI teams that are going 3 days a week for 11 months. Look at the scores from this year. The winning teams are playing fast with transition goals. NJ teams slow it down too much.


Since Tri-State is one of the few NJ clubs that goes to WSYL, they are able to draw kids in for their WSYL team, may not be the best model, but they will get the kids....and I wouldn't be surprised if you see a bump in Tri State from kids looking to play at SHP

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Anybody have info on Tribal? Seem to be making strong showing for WSYL, but not much on older teams.

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Anybody have info on Tribal? Seem to be making strong showing for WSYL, but not much on older teams.


Best '25 team in NJ. They have some big kids so not sure if they will make the age requirement.

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Anybody have info on Tribal? Seem to be making strong showing for WSYL, but not much on older teams.


Best '25 team in NJ. They have some big kids so not sure if they will make the age requirement.


I have heard that their '25 team is very good, did they have any games against Mad Dog or United this year. I know that both of those clubs have strong '25 teams as well, curious as to how they match up.

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.


they are talking about 2025s not 2024s, but you are right BBL 2024 is top 2024 NJ team

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!


You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!


You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!


You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.


You're obviously a dullard. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that kids who play in WSYL in two consecutive years mean they played up the first year and played on age the second. It's blowing your mind and confusing you to think this is a bad thing and equates it to holdbacks. With that IQ, you don't make enough to live here. Good thing. We don't want to support your kids' food stamps.

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!


You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.


You're obviously a dullard. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that kids who play in WSYL in two consecutive years mean they played up the first year and played on age the second. It's blowing your mind and confusing you to think this is a bad thing and equates it to holdbacks. With that IQ, you don't make enough to live here. Good thing. We don't want to support your kids' food stamps.

You know what I am saying is true. I am not talking about the WSYL. I am NOT knocking the team that went to Denver. I am talking about the BBL Black 2024 team. There ARE holdbacks on the team. You can spin it any way you want -- but it's true.

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Not true! My kid played for 91 Wolfpack this year at the WSYL and the best team we played all week was BBL. Great kids and coaches. If it wasn’t for him wanting to stay local to play with his friends we’d be at BBL.

Stop pretending your kid played for Wolfpack you BBL parent. No Wolfpack player would ever play for BBL which is full of holdbacks. Everyone knows this. Don't try to elevate BBL by pretending to play for Wolfpack. Please!!!!!!


You do realize that WSYL is age based right? Put down the vape and pay attention. Chances are your team will never make it to Denver.

Yes I do. But wait. Several of 2024 BBL holdbacks were left behind during the WSYL to take playing time away from the kids on the B Team. Every Wolfpack parent knows that the top BBL 2024 Team is full of holdbacks. It's laughable to think that any Wolfpack player would travel to the arm pit of the world to play on BBL.


You're obviously a dullard. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that kids who play in WSYL in two consecutive years mean they played up the first year and played on age the second. It's blowing your mind and confusing you to think this is a bad thing and equates it to holdbacks. With that IQ, you don't make enough to live here. Good thing. We don't want to support your kids' food stamps.

You know what I am saying is true. I am not talking about the WSYL. I am NOT knocking the team that went to Denver. I am talking about the BBL Black 2024 team. There ARE holdbacks on the team. You can spin it any way you want -- but it's true.


You’re kidding right? Because if you’re not and you’re seriously asking point blank about the makeup of a youth team that you obviously know nothing about, then I take back what I said that you’re naturally slow. You’re just pathetic and I’ll leave you to continually wonder if the team that smacks yours in tourneys are on age or not. And you’re definitely not jersey material ‘cause you’re weak. Stay where you are and keep your muni job.

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...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.

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...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.


Ha! I was waiting for this from you. You're so unoriginal and predictable. Now go away. This board was quiet before you wandered in. Let's keep it that way.

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...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.


Ha! I was waiting for this from you. You're so unoriginal and predictable. Now go away. This board was quiet before you wandered in. Let's keep it that way.

The purpose of this board is to discuss topics relating lacrosse. Holdbacks may be the single greatest concern to the game right now. This subject is not going away. Big shout out to all the parents who don't try to cheat the system.

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...because Jersey "Strong" posts anonymously on a childrens lacrosse board? Take that tough guy attitude down to Seaside and go fist pump with Paulie D and The Situation.


Ha! I was waiting for this from you. You're so unoriginal and predictable. Now go away. This board was quiet before you wandered in. Let's keep it that way.

The purpose of this board is to discuss topics relating lacrosse. Holdbacks may be the single greatest concern to the game right now. This subject is not going away. Big shout out to all the parents who don't try to cheat the system.


Ok at least we can agree on that issue. We are all against using holdbacks to gain unfair advantage. But we also dislike those who spread rumors and lies about other teams. You would probably react the same way and defend your team. Just know that in general, NJ, PA and NY fall mostly into the same category when it comes to average age of grade based teams as compared to DMV and New England.. Peace

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Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me

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Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

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Does that really happen (not being coy asking that) ? I would think that with how competitive these teams/kids/parents are, no one would even think of playing down an age group....big shot to the ego of the kids...and the parents.

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Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me


Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

From what I have learned, parents have a "reasonable expectation" that their kids will be matched up against others in their age range. Hopefully this will never have to be tested in court.

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Why are Holdbacks the single greatest concern to the game right now? Honest question so please don't attack me


Obviously, so long as tournaments are grade based, not much can be done about the age of a player so long as he is playing in his proper graduating year. I think that the bigger issue is when teams, and not pointing to any NJ teams, bring in older players (by graduation year) to compete in a tournament. For example (and I have no direct knowledge of what actually happened), there are allegations being made that certain teams that played the NLF championship this past weekend had 2023 kids playing for the 2024 team, that, in my opinion, is pretty underhanded. I'm sure that plenty of teams in NJ have kids that are older as compared to their peers in their graduating class, but nothing improper with that under current rules.

From what I have learned, parents have a "reasonable expectation" that their kids will be matched up against others in their age range. Hopefully this will never have to be tested in court.


This! Well said.

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