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Re: Boys High School [Re: Anonymous] #288974
07/17/19 09:42 AM
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The Club and HS coach for B'more took all of their kids and buddies kids. Some of those boys are great players and many were just along for the ride. If the Baltimore coaches really wanted to win, vice rep their club and HS school players then they could have done just that. There were lots of big, strong, fast and talented athletes at the Baltimore call back game. What they chose was based off pure nepotism and many of those players were absolutely pathetic in comparison to the talent at the call back game. That is why Baltimore got their nose rubbed in sh#t and sent packing on their home turf once again.

Could not be further from the truth. 20 coaches from various local high schools, clubs, colleges and private training organizations sat down with clip boards full of notes on player numbers and voted for players whose numbers stood out at the tryouts. Coaches recognize certain players and numbers, but many coaches do not know all the players and numbers and the consensus was the same across the board with all the numbers that stood out. Nobody had to fight to get a player on the team. Coaches who had no idea which players were which numbers, picked the same player numbers from their notes as the coaches who may have known. If a player number received enough support from all the coaches, an up and down vote was taken. In other words, every player on the roster received a majority of votes from 20 coaches, many of which only knew the player as a number. It is completely absurd to think that 18 of 20 coaches thought your kid belonged on the team and he still did not make it! Instead of spending so much time on this forum spreading false information about a process and event for which you are clueless, maybe you should be using all that skill to teach your kid how to stand out at a tryout?

Please stop with that Bs.. every single coach and evaluator had ties to each other and the players selected. This notion that every other player , parent or club or school that wasn’t represented as an evaluator don’t know what they see with their own eyes on and off the field. How in the heck did the majority of the evaluators even get picked? Spaldings coach for example has won less than 5 MIAA games in his entire career!! Yet 5 of his players make it and even more to call back game- Reese coaches RR 2022 along with Dixon and 4-5 kids make team and even more to call back. Calvert Hall evaluator must of been under serious pressure from Kelly and Head Coach from Koopers who round out the team .. Except Phipps ALL had kids who made team or call back game! Now, again for those watchjngthe same kids for years and years know exactly how that process really went down. When you take kids that are injured during the tryout to the team and hurt the entire tournament you can’t be taken serious. 50% of the team certainly deserved and are exceptional players no matter who there daddy or coach is.
Would of been great to see this process be done in a real fair evaluation. DC Head coach selects 5-6 of his kids too. Many very deserving and him being the coach makes it look shady! Just don’t say that the process was fair especially in Bmore

The process was fair, especially in Bmore.

Unfortunately every region is the same. All the UA teams are loaded with players that are affiliated with the UA coaches Clubs/High Schools or other coaches they know players.

To say that it isnt is to deny reality.

Many of this players are at top or near top, but there is obvious bias in picking the players for all the UA teams including DC and Balt. But if it makes you feel better, say it isnt bias, just dont expect anyone with any real critical thinking to believe you.

And each year it seems to get more bias as there are so many really good players to pick from that are very close in talent. There are only 3-5 above and beyond talent each year, the rest of top 30-40 players that could make the UA team have similar talent , so bias is an easy way to go with coaches and people evaluating .

It is just not a true talent tryout for majority of players.



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Re: Boys High School [Re: TommyM] #289067
07/18/19 04:49 AM
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Is Spencer Ford joining the staff at spalding, saw he was on sideline this week at Blandair.

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Re: Boys High School [Re: TommyM] #289163
07/19/19 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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The Club and HS coach for B'more took all of their kids and buddies kids. Some of those boys are great players and many were just along for the ride. If the Baltimore coaches really wanted to win, vice rep their club and HS school players then they could have done just that. There were lots of big, strong, fast and talented athletes at the Baltimore call back game. What they chose was based off pure nepotism and many of those players were absolutely pathetic in comparison to the talent at the call back game. That is why Baltimore got their nose rubbed in sh#t and sent packing on their home turf once again.

Could not be further from the truth. 20 coaches from various local high schools, clubs, colleges and private training organizations sat down with clip boards full of notes on player numbers and voted for players whose numbers stood out at the tryouts. Coaches recognize certain players and numbers, but many coaches do not know all the players and numbers and the consensus was the same across the board with all the numbers that stood out. Nobody had to fight to get a player on the team. Coaches who had no idea which players were which numbers, picked the same player numbers from their notes as the coaches who may have known. If a player number received enough support from all the coaches, an up and down vote was taken. In other words, every player on the roster received a majority of votes from 20 coaches, many of which only knew the player as a number. It is completely absurd to think that 18 of 20 coaches thought your kid belonged on the team and he still did not make it! Instead of spending so much time on this forum spreading false information about a process and event for which you are clueless, maybe you should be using all that skill to teach your kid how to stand out at a tryout?

Please stop with that Bs.. every single coach and evaluator had ties to each other and the players selected. This notion that every other player , parent or club or school that wasn’t represented as an evaluator don’t know what they see with their own eyes on and off the field. How in the heck did the majority of the evaluators even get picked? Spaldings coach for example has won less than 5 MIAA games in his entire career!! Yet 5 of his players make it and even more to call back game- Reese coaches RR 2022 along with Dixon and 4-5 kids make team and even more to call back. Calvert Hall evaluator must of been under serious pressure from Kelly and Head Coach from Koopers who round out the team .. Except Phipps ALL had kids who made team or call back game! Now, again for those watchjngthe same kids for years and years know exactly how that process really went down. When you take kids that are injured during the tryout to the team and hurt the entire tournament you can’t be taken serious. 50% of the team certainly deserved and are exceptional players no matter who there daddy or coach is.
Would of been great to see this process be done in a real fair evaluation. DC Head coach selects 5-6 of his kids too. Many very deserving and him being the coach makes it look shady! Just don’t say that the process was fair especially in Bmore

The process was fair, especially in Bmore.

Unfortunately every region is the same. All the UA teams are loaded with players that are affiliated with the UA coaches Clubs/High Schools or other coaches they know players.

To say that it isnt is to deny reality.

Many of this players are at top or near top, but there is obvious bias in picking the players for all the UA teams including DC and Balt. But if it makes you feel better, say it isnt bias, just dont expect anyone with any real critical thinking to believe you.

And each year it seems to get more bias as there are so many really good players to pick from that are very close in talent. There are only 3-5 above and beyond talent each year, the rest of top 30-40 players that could make the UA team have similar talent , so bias is an easy way to go with coaches and people evaluating .

It is just not a true talent tryout for majority of players.



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Truly thought provoking reasons why you disagree. LOL

Give me one counterpoint to what is written above....thought so.



If better talent were to have presented itself during tryouts, it would have made the team. As far as "equal talent" is concerned, it only happens towards the end of the selection list for certain positions. "Equal talent" assumes that none of the players demonstrated a chemistry or other intangibles while playing together on any of the tryout teams or in the call back game. Its not an "All Star" team, its a team coaches and evaluators build to win. If 2 players are equal in skill, which may come up at the very end of the selections, then coaches and evaluators look for traits that help players fit the team in order to make it stronger, not weaker. Maybe they got it wrong for a 1-2 players at the bottom of the list of 23. What is your solution? Flip a coin to avoid "bias"? If you can do better without being "bias", then sign up to evaluate next year and have at it, instead of playing lax guru after everything is said and done. Ultimately one team goes 4-1 in the end, including trading wins with the tournament Champions and you criticize everyone involved from top to bottom. The other team goes 5-1 and escapes the BS criticism? If you are splitting hairs like that to publicly criticize people's character who you dont know, then you are a hater! ...so dont think so, know it!

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Re: Boys High School [Re: TommyM] #289360
07/21/19 09:18 PM
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Expected way more out of NLF for all the hype.

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Re: Boys High School [Re: Anonymous] #289362
07/21/19 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expected way more out of NLF for all the hype.


Tournament was a waste of time. Most teams were short on players because nobody wants to be playing anymore this late in the summer. The venue was atrocious. Are you kidding!!!! An absolute disgrace. Now my sons team did very well, so no sour grapes about that. Just an extremely poorly run, not as advertised event.

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07/21/19 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Unfortunately every region is the same. All the UA teams are loaded with players that are affiliated with the UA coaches Clubs/High Schools or other coaches they know players.

To say that it isnt is to deny reality.

Many of this players are at top or near top, but there is obvious bias in picking the players for all the UA teams including DC and Balt. But if it makes you feel better, say it isnt bias, just dont expect anyone with any real critical thinking to believe you.

And each year it seems to get more bias as there are so many really good players to pick from that are very close in talent. There are only 3-5 above and beyond talent each year, the rest of top 30-40 players that could make the UA team have similar talent , so bias is an easy way to go with coaches and people evaluating .

It is just not a true talent tryout for majority of players.

^^know-nothing haters trying to act like they actually know^^

Truly thought provoking reasons why you disagree. LOL

Give me one counterpoint to what is written above....thought so.

If better talent were to have presented itself during tryouts, it would have made the team. As far as "equal talent" is concerned, it only happens towards the end of the selection list for certain positions. "Equal talent" assumes that none of the players demonstrated a chemistry or other intangibles while playing together on any of the tryout teams or in the call back game. Its not an "All Star" team, its a team coaches and evaluators build to win. If 2 players are equal in skill, which may come up at the very end of the selections, then coaches and evaluators look for traits that help players fit the team in order to make it stronger, not weaker. Maybe they got it wrong for a 1-2 players at the bottom of the list of 23. What is your solution? Flip a coin to avoid "bias"? If you can do better without being "bias", then sign up to evaluate next year and have at it, instead of playing lax guru after everything is said and done. Ultimately one team goes 4-1 in the end, including trading wins with the tournament Champions and you criticize everyone involved from top to bottom. The other team goes 5-1 and escapes the BS criticism? If you are splitting hairs like that to publicly criticize people's character who you dont know, then you are a hater! ...so dont think so, know it!


No..The team is based on talent for that tryout..Clearly states that?? I guess team Chemistry is another word for lets pick my players ?? Bury your head in sand, many top players are passed over with better tryout performance than other like skilled top talent players, they just dont have a IN ..

You seem to imply that I think that less talented players make team. I do think some similar talented players with better tryouts dont make it due to bias. The talent level is close on any given day for most players. There is only so many Pat Spencers, Rambos etc type players in HS. Most are a small degree difference at the top on any given day.

FRom UA site
At the end of the tryout all evaluators will meet to discuss all players and select the final 22 players.
A Corrigan Sports representative will lead the discussion and put players ‘on the board’
No coach (high school or club) may mention one of their own players
Players will be evaluated on their performance at the tryout

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Re: Boys High School [Re: Anonymous] #289377
07/21/19 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expected way more out of NLF for all the hype.


What did you see that make you say this ??

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Re: Boys High School [Re: Anonymous] #289405
07/22/19 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expected way more out of NLF for all the hype.


Tournament was a waste of time. Most teams were short on players because nobody wants to be playing anymore this late in the summer. The venue was atrocious. Are you kidding!!!! An absolute disgrace. Now my sons team did very well, so no sour grapes about that. Just an extremely poorly run, not as advertised event.


What are you talking about? There was some great lacrosse being played this weekend. I agree that the venue wasn't nearly as good as Lehigh was last year, but the tournament was well run and had a great group of teams playing. They even moved games around because of the heat which was great.

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Re: Boys High School [Re: TommyM] #289408
07/22/19 09:43 AM
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Venue was atrocious. Fields in poor shape, lack of parking, etc. Long Island would have even been better.

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Re: Boys High School [Re: TommyM] #289426
07/22/19 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Venue was atrocious. Fields in poor shape, lack of parking, etc. Long Island would have even been better.


Which age group?? There was plenty of Parking for older age groups . You did have to walk a short way to get to fields, but tons of Parking?? No idea what you are talking about for 2020,2021,2022 ..Well unless you want to sit in your car with ac on and watch game.

Venue was ok. Fields were decent for a tournament. I would have liked a few trees around for shade on 2020,2021 fields, I didnt hear of any complaints from players. Was well run with games and refs.

Biggest issue was how HOT it was. For that you need to moan to the guy in the sky.

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Re: Boys High School [Re: Anonymous] #289428
07/22/19 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expected way more out of NLF for all the hype.


Tournament was a waste of time. Most teams were short on players because nobody wants to be playing anymore this late in the summer. The venue was atrocious. Are you kidding!!!! An absolute disgrace. Now my sons team did very well, so no sour grapes about that. Just an extremely poorly run, not as advertised event.


Hilarious... Most teams had plenty of players, Not sure what you are talking about. A few teams had 5-6 subs, but majority had 18 plus. I guess the college coaches thought there were enough players and talent. There were all kinds of Head coaches there. UVA, ND, UMD, etc etc

It was well run with switching of some teams around on Sunday to let a few get out early.

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Re: Boys High School [Re: Anonymous] #289464
07/22/19 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Expected way more out of NLF for all the hype.


Tournament was a waste of time. Most teams were short on players because nobody wants to be playing anymore this late in the summer. The venue was atrocious. Are you kidding!!!! An absolute disgrace. Now my sons team did very well, so no sour grapes about that. Just an extremely poorly run, not as advertised event.


Hilarious... Most teams had plenty of players, Not sure what you are talking about. A few teams had 5-6 subs, but majority had 18 plus. I guess the college coaches thought there were enough players and talent. There were all kinds of Head coaches there. UVA, ND, UMD, etc etc

It was well run with switching of some teams around on Sunday to let a few get out early.


I guess? If well run means no water, or warm water coolers sitting on the ground at the tables in 100 degree temps. Teams doing ball hunts during a running clock and/or playing with greasers. Cars getting blasted with shots in almost all parking areas because of cheesy little chain-link construction fences behind the goals, rules changes that enabled a former UMASS player/coach to slide past a better 91 team despite having a worse PF and PA. Fields were basically UMASS football parking overflow. Other than that stuff it was just as good as any other tournament in the middle of nowhere!

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07/22/19 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Unfortunately every region is the same. All the UA teams are loaded with players that are affiliated with the UA coaches Clubs/High Schools or other coaches they know players.

To say that it isnt is to deny reality.

Many of this players are at top or near top, but there is obvious bias in picking the players for all the UA teams including DC and Balt. But if it makes you feel better, say it isnt bias, just dont expect anyone with any real critical thinking to believe you.

And each year it seems to get more bias as there are so many really good players to pick from that are very close in talent. There are only 3-5 above and beyond talent each year, the rest of top 30-40 players that could make the UA team have similar talent , so bias is an easy way to go with coaches and people evaluating .

It is just not a true talent tryout for majority of players.

^^know-nothing haters trying to act like they actually know^^

Truly thought provoking reasons why you disagree. LOL

Give me one counterpoint to what is written above....thought so.

If better talent were to have presented itself during tryouts, it would have made the team. As far as "equal talent" is concerned, it only happens towards the end of the selection list for certain positions. "Equal talent" assumes that none of the players demonstrated a chemistry or other intangibles while playing together on any of the tryout teams or in the call back game. Its not an "All Star" team, its a team coaches and evaluators build to win. If 2 players are equal in skill, which may come up at the very end of the selections, then coaches and evaluators look for traits that help players fit the team in order to make it stronger, not weaker. Maybe they got it wrong for a 1-2 players at the bottom of the list of 23. What is your solution? Flip a coin to avoid "bias"? If you can do better without being "bias", then sign up to evaluate next year and have at it, instead of playing lax guru after everything is said and done. Ultimately one team goes 4-1 in the end, including trading wins with the tournament Champions and you criticize everyone involved from top to bottom. The other team goes 5-1 and escapes the BS criticism? If you are splitting hairs like that to publicly criticize people's character who you dont know, then you are a hater! ...so dont think so, know it!


No..The team is based on talent for that tryout..Clearly states that?? I guess team Chemistry is another word for lets pick my players ?? Bury your head in sand, many top players are passed over with better tryout performance than other like skilled top talent players, they just dont have a IN ..

You seem to imply that I think that less talented players make team. I do think some similar talented players with better tryouts dont make it due to bias. The talent level is close on any given day for most players. There is only so many Pat Spencers, Rambos etc type players in HS. Most are a small degree difference at the top on any given day.

FRom UA site
At the end of the tryout all evaluators will meet to discuss all players and select the final 22 players.
A Corrigan Sports representative will lead the discussion and put players ‘on the board’
No coach (high school or club) may mention one of their own players
Players will be evaluated on their performance at the tryout


Good, now that you basically just reiterated what I said, backed it up with the website verbiage and acknowledged that you are splitting hairs at the end of the day, what is your formula for scoring similar performances and getting it 100% correct? Can we look forward to you evaluating next year, so you can feel the same criticism when you split the hair the "wrong" way and hurt some feelings?

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07/22/19 07:13 PM
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You must be one of the 91 parents who could not figure out that if 8 teams made the championship bracket and there were 8 pools you had to win your pool to advance. When you did not get your way you packed up and went home Saturday night.

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07/22/19 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Unfortunately every region is the same. All the UA teams are loaded with players that are affiliated with the UA coaches Clubs/High Schools or other coaches they know players.

To say that it isnt is to deny reality.

Many of this players are at top or near top, but there is obvious bias in picking the players for all the UA teams including DC and Balt. But if it makes you feel better, say it isnt bias, just dont expect anyone with any real critical thinking to believe you.

And each year it seems to get more bias as there are so many really good players to pick from that are very close in talent. There are only 3-5 above and beyond talent each year, the rest of top 30-40 players that could make the UA team have similar talent , so bias is an easy way to go with coaches and people evaluating .

It is just not a true talent tryout for majority of players.

^^know-nothing haters trying to act like they actually know^^

Truly thought provoking reasons why you disagree. LOL

Give me one counterpoint to what is written above....thought so.

If better talent were to have presented itself during tryouts, it would have made the team. As far as "equal talent" is concerned, it only happens towards the end of the selection list for certain positions. "Equal talent" assumes that none of the players demonstrated a chemistry or other intangibles while playing together on any of the tryout teams or in the call back game. Its not an "All Star" team, its a team coaches and evaluators build to win. If 2 players are equal in skill, which may come up at the very end of the selections, then coaches and evaluators look for traits that help players fit the team in order to make it stronger, not weaker. Maybe they got it wrong for a 1-2 players at the bottom of the list of 23. What is your solution? Flip a coin to avoid "bias"? If you can do better without being "bias", then sign up to evaluate next year and have at it, instead of playing lax guru after everything is said and done. Ultimately one team goes 4-1 in the end, including trading wins with the tournament Champions and you criticize everyone involved from top to bottom. The other team goes 5-1 and escapes the BS criticism? If you are splitting hairs like that to publicly criticize people's character who you dont know, then you are a hater! ...so dont think so, know it!


No..The team is based on talent for that tryout..Clearly states that?? I guess team Chemistry is another word for lets pick my players ?? Bury your head in sand, many top players are passed over with better tryout performance than other like skilled top talent players, they just dont have a IN ..

You seem to imply that I think that less talented players make team. I do think some similar talented players with better tryouts dont make it due to bias. The talent level is close on any given day for most players. There is only so many Pat Spencers, Rambos etc type players in HS. Most are a small degree difference at the top on any given day.

FRom UA site
At the end of the tryout all evaluators will meet to discuss all players and select the final 22 players.
A Corrigan Sports representative will lead the discussion and put players ‘on the board’
No coach (high school or club) may mention one of their own players
Players will be evaluated on their performance at the tryout


Good, now that you basically just reiterated what I said, backed it up with the website verbiage and acknowledged that you are splitting hairs at the end of the day, what is your formula for scoring similar performances and getting it 100% correct? Can we look forward to you evaluating next year, so you can feel the same criticism when you split the hair the "wrong" way and hurt some feelings?


Glad you finally admit there is some bias. Took you long enough .Thanks !

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