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Re: 2018-2019 Women's DI, II & III College Lacrosse Season [Re: Anonymous] #285224
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Duke is in the ACC so they have to play UNC and Syracuse and BC...
Northwestern and Penn were their Top 20 games... A lot of the other games esp. the last game they played against VCU are against unranked teams. Its kind of what ND did this year. It doesnt help to play an easier schedule when it comes to NCAAs'


Dukes schedule is far from easy. Other than the usual suspects (MD, UNC, NU, Syracuse, BC, Princeton, Virginia, Florida, PSU...) What teams play a tougher or equivalent schedule? Not many teams play the type of schedule That Duke plays.

Duke is an excellent program, easily one of the Top 20 Programs in the country.


They haven't been lately...


Yes, they have. Name 20 programs that have consistently done better over the past five years.


What are you looking at? What's your definition of lately? In the last four seasons Duke is 38-35 with ONE tournament appearance four years ago in which they won the first round game and got beat fairly easily in the second round, is this your idea of success? I would think even the Duke faithful wouldn't want to lower the bar to these levels. The game appears to be passing Kimel by, she has yet to figured out playing in the shot clock free movement era

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Duke is in the ACC so they have to play UNC and Syracuse and BC...
Northwestern and Penn were their Top 20 games... A lot of the other games esp. the last game they played against VCU are against unranked teams. Its kind of what ND did this year. It doesnt help to play an easier schedule when it comes to NCAAs'


Dukes schedule is far from easy. Other than the usual suspects (MD, UNC, NU, Syracuse, BC, Princeton, Virginia, Florida, PSU...) What teams play a tougher or equivalent schedule? Not many teams play the type of schedule That Duke plays.

Duke is an excellent program, easily one of the Top 20 Programs in the country.


They haven't been lately...


Yes, they have. Name 20 programs that have consistently done better over the past five years.


What are you looking at? What's your definition of lately? In the last four seasons Duke is 38-35 with ONE tournament appearance four years ago in which they won the first round game and got beat fairly easily in the second round, is this your idea of success? I would think even the Duke faithful wouldn't want to lower the bar to these levels. The game appears to be passing Kimel by, she has yet to figured out playing in the shot clock free movement era


Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.

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Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.


Let me start by saying Duke is a to 20 program at this point but are close to being moved out. Duke plays a difficult schedule strictly as a result of being in the ACC and more than 20 other teams play a more difficult non conference schedule. To say they are a definite top 20 any of the last 3 seasons is ill informed at best. The thing is its Duke University so honestly they should be much more competitive than they are. Not sure what the problem is down there but I have heard the excuse that the standards of getting into the school make recruiting the best athletes difficult , I just don't buy that. I do think being in such close proximity to UNC may hurt them .

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Duke is in the ACC so they have to play UNC and Syracuse and BC...
Northwestern and Penn were their Top 20 games... A lot of the other games esp. the last game they played against VCU are against unranked teams. Its kind of what ND did this year. It doesnt help to play an easier schedule when it comes to NCAAs'


Dukes schedule is far from easy. Other than the usual suspects (MD, UNC, NU, Syracuse, BC, Princeton, Virginia, Florida, PSU...) What teams play a tougher or equivalent schedule? Not many teams play the type of schedule That Duke plays.

Duke is an excellent program, easily one of the Top 20 Programs in the country.


They haven't been lately...


Yes, they have. Name 20 programs that have consistently done better over the past five years.


What are you looking at? What's your definition of lately? In the last four seasons Duke is 38-35 with ONE tournament appearance four years ago in which they won the first round game and got beat fairly easily in the second round, is this your idea of success? I would think even the Duke faithful wouldn't want to lower the bar to these levels. The game appears to be passing Kimel by, she has yet to figured out playing in the shot clock free movement era


my daughter plays for an ACC team that is still alive, and Duke was one of the toughest opponents they faced all year, if they played in any conference other than the ACC or Big Ten they would be conference champs. I thought they had a great team this year and totally agree they deserved to be in tournament they would destroy Michigan and/or Stanford.

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Duke is in the ACC so they have to play UNC and Syracuse and BC...
Northwestern and Penn were their Top 20 games... A lot of the other games esp. the last game they played against VCU are against unranked teams. Its kind of what ND did this year. It doesnt help to play an easier schedule when it comes to NCAAs'


Dukes schedule is far from easy. Other than the usual suspects (MD, UNC, NU, Syracuse, BC, Princeton, Virginia, Florida, PSU...) What teams play a tougher or equivalent schedule? Not many teams play the type of schedule That Duke plays.

Duke is an excellent program, easily one of the Top 20 Programs in the country.


They haven't been lately...


Yes, they have. Name 20 programs that have consistently done better over the past five years.


What are you looking at? What's your definition of lately? In the last four seasons Duke is 38-35 with ONE tournament appearance four years ago in which they won the first round game and got beat fairly easily in the second round, is this your idea of success? I would think even the Duke faithful wouldn't want to lower the bar to these levels. The game appears to be passing Kimel by, she has yet to figured out playing in the shot clock free movement era


my daughter plays for an ACC team that is still alive, and Duke was one of the toughest opponents they faced all year, if they played in any conference other than the ACC or Big Ten they would be conference champs. I thought they had a great team this year and totally agree they deserved to be in tournament they would destroy Michigan and/or Stanford.



Going to call BS on this one. So you are saying your kid plays for UNC or BC and Duke was one of the toughest teams they played , was this when UNC beat them 19-5 or when BC beat them 20-12. They would destroy Michigan and Stanford is comical.

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Duke is in the ACC so they have to play UNC and Syracuse and BC...
Northwestern and Penn were their Top 20 games... A lot of the other games esp. the last game they played against VCU are against unranked teams. Its kind of what ND did this year. It doesnt help to play an easier schedule when it comes to NCAAs'


Dukes schedule is far from easy. Other than the usual suspects (MD, UNC, NU, Syracuse, BC, Princeton, Virginia, Florida, PSU...) What teams play a tougher or equivalent schedule? Not many teams play the type of schedule That Duke plays.

Duke is an excellent program, easily one of the Top 20 Programs in the country.


They haven't been lately...


Yes, they have. Name 20 programs that have consistently done better over the past five years.


What are you looking at? What's your definition of lately? In the last four seasons Duke is 38-35 with ONE tournament appearance four years ago in which they won the first round game and got beat fairly easily in the second round, is this your idea of success? I would think even the Duke faithful wouldn't want to lower the bar to these levels. The game appears to be passing Kimel by, she has yet to figured out playing in the shot clock free movement era


my daughter plays for an ACC team that is still alive, and Duke was one of the toughest opponents they faced all year, if they played in any conference other than the ACC or Big Ten they would be conference champs. I thought they had a great team this year and totally agree they deserved to be in tournament they would destroy Michigan and/or Stanford.


Dook lost to Penn. Penn did not even win the Ivy. Dook #4 in the Ivy this year at best. Dook is a strong program but stop with the BS. Top 20 yes, Best in every conference no.

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Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.


Let me start by saying Duke is a to 20 program at this point but are close to being moved out. Duke plays a difficult schedule strictly as a result of being in the ACC and more than 20 other teams play a more difficult non conference schedule. To say they are a definite top 20 any of the last 3 seasons is ill informed at best. The thing is its Duke University so honestly they should be much more competitive than they are. Not sure what the problem is down there but I have heard the excuse that the standards of getting into the school make recruiting the best athletes difficult , I just don't buy that. I do think being in such close proximity to UNC may hurt them .


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Scheduling out of conference games is not so simple. Duke plays a very difficult conference schedule and this year they had Penn and Northwestern out of conference. Their schedule is difficult enough as is. If Georgetown did not upset Denver and win their conference championship Duke would have been in the NCAA Tournament. Admission standards at Duke are more difficult than most schools but they have "slots" and there are many great players that have the grades and test scores to get into Duke as a recruited athlete. Duke's proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way.

Coaching is the biggest issue at Duke. One aspect of coaching is recruiting and Duke fell behind during the heyday of early recruiting. They brought in some great recruits but they missed on others because other schools were more aggressive. Missing on one or two studs per year will hurt especially when playing the schedule that Duke plays.

There is no question that Duke is one of the Top 20 Programs. They have had 2 maybe 3 down years (for Duke) but they will be back fighting to be in the Top 10 -15 consistently going forward.

Michigan is the only non traditional power that I see moving into the 15 - 20 programs that are able to be competitive every year.

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Duke is in the ACC so they have to play UNC and Syracuse and BC...
Northwestern and Penn were their Top 20 games... A lot of the other games esp. the last game they played against VCU are against unranked teams. Its kind of what ND did this year. It doesnt help to play an easier schedule when it comes to NCAAs'


Dukes schedule is far from easy. Other than the usual suspects (MD, UNC, NU, Syracuse, BC, Princeton, Virginia, Florida, PSU...) What teams play a tougher or equivalent schedule? Not many teams play the type of schedule That Duke plays.

Duke is an excellent program, easily one of the Top 20 Programs in the country.


They haven't been lately...


Yes, they have. Name 20 programs that have consistently done better over the past five years.


What are you looking at? What's your definition of lately? In the last four seasons Duke is 38-35 with ONE tournament appearance four years ago in which they won the first round game and got beat fairly easily in the second round, is this your idea of success? I would think even the Duke faithful wouldn't want to lower the bar to these levels. The game appears to be passing Kimel by, she has yet to figured out playing in the shot clock free movement era


my daughter plays for an ACC team that is still alive, and Duke was one of the toughest opponents they faced all year, if they played in any conference other than the ACC or Big Ten they would be conference champs. I thought they had a great team this year and totally agree they deserved to be in tournament they would destroy Michigan and/or Stanford.


Next year, Duke has to beat some quality opponents. That's the formula for selection into NCAA Tournament. We can all speculate on this site, but the fact remains, you have to beat "Top 30 " teams on your schedule in order to get into the tournament. They didn't have enough the last few years for the committee to select them. It's on them as a program ((players and coaches) to get it done in the future...

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Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.


Let me start by saying Duke is a to 20 program at this point but are close to being moved out. Duke plays a difficult schedule strictly as a result of being in the ACC and more than 20 other teams play a more difficult non conference schedule. To say they are a definite top 20 any of the last 3 seasons is ill informed at best. The thing is its Duke University so honestly they should be much more competitive than they are. Not sure what the problem is down there but I have heard the excuse that the standards of getting into the school make recruiting the best athletes difficult , I just don't buy that. I do think being in such close proximity to UNC may hurt them .


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Scheduling out of conference games is not so simple. Duke plays a very difficult conference schedule and this year they had Penn and Northwestern out of conference. Their schedule is difficult enough as is. If Georgetown did not upset Denver and win their conference championship Duke would have been in the NCAA Tournament. Admission standards at Duke are more difficult than most schools but they have "slots" and there are many great players that have the grades and test scores to get into Duke as a recruited athlete. Duke's proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way.

Coaching is the biggest issue at Duke. One aspect of coaching is recruiting and Duke fell behind during the heyday of early recruiting. They brought in some great recruits but they missed on others because other schools were more aggressive. Missing on one or two studs per year will hurt especially when playing the schedule that Duke plays.

There is no question that Duke is one of the Top 20 Programs. They have had 2 maybe 3 down years (for Duke) but they will be back fighting to be in the Top 10 -15 consistently going forward.

Michigan is the only non traditional power that I see moving into the 15 - 20 programs that are able to be competitive every year.



Agree that Duke has been hurt by their own recruiting policies. That may be the degree of difficulty to get in, being reluctant to chase early recruits, and bit of a snooty attitude to only go after Duke camp groupies. I think this new “no contact” until the shotgun start Sept1st is really going to shake up the quality of all schools incoming recruiting classes. Some will definitely benefit, while other will be hurt.

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Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.




Let me start by saying Duke is a to 20 program at this point but are close to being moved out. Duke plays a difficult schedule strictly as a result of being in the ACC and more than 20 other teams play a more difficult non conference schedule. To say they are a definite top 20 any of the last 3 seasons is ill informed at best. The thing is its Duke University so honestly they should be much more competitive than they are. Not sure what the problem is down there but I have heard the excuse that the standards of getting into the school make recruiting the best athletes difficult , I just don't buy that. I do think being in such close proximity to UNC may hurt them .


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Scheduling out of conference games is not so simple. Duke plays a very difficult conference schedule and this year they had Penn and Northwestern out of conference. Their schedule is difficult enough as is. If Georgetown did not upset Denver and win their conference championship Duke would have been in the NCAA Tournament. Admission standards at Duke are more difficult than most schools but they have "slots" and there are many great players that have the grades and test scores to get into Duke as a recruited athlete. Duke's proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way.

Coaching is the biggest issue at Duke. One aspect of coaching is recruiting and Duke fell behind during the heyday of early recruiting. They brought in some great recruits but they missed on others because other schools were more aggressive. Missing on one or two studs per year will hurt especially when playing the schedule that Duke plays.

There is no question that Duke is one of the Top 20 Programs. They have had 2 maybe 3 down years (for Duke) but they will be back fighting to be in the Top 10 -15 consistently going forward.

Michigan is the only non traditional power that I see moving into the 15 - 20 programs that are able to be competitive every year.




Scheduling out of conference games is not that difficult and somehow UNC ,NW, MD,JMU, UVA and 20 other teams were able to schedule more difficult out of conference games.

To say Dukes proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way is naive. When you have top recruits lets say from the North East or Mid Atlantic who want to go to a top lacrosse program in a warmer climate and still stay on the East coast only a few schools come to mind. Travel to either school is the same so many of the top recruits have a choice between the two.If these top recruits are choosing UNC over Duke than it impacts them. Maybe its the facilities, the student body, the chance to win titles, the town surrounding the campus, but I know a few who have chosen UNC over Duke when they had the option to go to either.

Saying other schools were more aggressive in recruiting meaning what?

Duke is most likely a top 20 program but not making the tournament several times and when they did not getting more than 1 win has them teetering on the edge.

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Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.




Let me start by saying Duke is a to 20 program at this point but are close to being moved out. Duke plays a difficult schedule strictly as a result of being in the ACC and more than 20 other teams play a more difficult non conference schedule. To say they are a definite top 20 any of the last 3 seasons is ill informed at best. The thing is its Duke University so honestly they should be much more competitive than they are. Not sure what the problem is down there but I have heard the excuse that the standards of getting into the school make recruiting the best athletes difficult , I just don't buy that. I do think being in such close proximity to UNC may hurt them .


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Scheduling out of conference games is not so simple. Duke plays a very difficult conference schedule and this year they had Penn and Northwestern out of conference. Their schedule is difficult enough as is. If Georgetown did not upset Denver and win their conference championship Duke would have been in the NCAA Tournament. Admission standards at Duke are more difficult than most schools but they have "slots" and there are many great players that have the grades and test scores to get into Duke as a recruited athlete. Duke's proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way.

Coaching is the biggest issue at Duke. One aspect of coaching is recruiting and Duke fell behind during the heyday of early recruiting. They brought in some great recruits but they missed on others because other schools were more aggressive. Missing on one or two studs per year will hurt especially when playing the schedule that Duke plays.

There is no question that Duke is one of the Top 20 Programs. They have had 2 maybe 3 down years (for Duke) but they will be back fighting to be in the Top 10 -15 consistently going forward.

Michigan is the only non traditional power that I see moving into the 15 - 20 programs that are able to be competitive every year.




Scheduling out of conference games is not that difficult and somehow UNC ,NW, MD,JMU, UVA and 20 other teams were able to schedule more difficult out of conference games.

To say Dukes proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way is naive. When you have top recruits lets say from the North East or Mid Atlantic who want to go to a top lacrosse program in a warmer climate and still stay on the East coast only a few schools come to mind. Travel to either school is the same so many of the top recruits have a choice between the two.If these top recruits are choosing UNC over Duke than it impacts them. Maybe its the facilities, the student body, the chance to win titles, the town surrounding the campus, but I know a few who have chosen UNC over Duke when they had the option to go to either.

Saying other schools were more aggressive in recruiting meaning what?

Duke is most likely a top 20 program but not making the tournament several times and when they did not getting more than 1 win has them teetering on the edge.

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Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.




Let me start by saying Duke is a to 20 program at this point but are close to being moved out. Duke plays a difficult schedule strictly as a result of being in the ACC and more than 20 other teams play a more difficult non conference schedule. To say they are a definite top 20 any of the last 3 seasons is ill informed at best. The thing is its Duke University so honestly they should be much more competitive than they are. Not sure what the problem is down there but I have heard the excuse that the standards of getting into the school make recruiting the best athletes difficult , I just don't buy that. I do think being in such close proximity to UNC may hurt them .


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Scheduling out of conference games is not so simple. Duke plays a very difficult conference schedule and this year they had Penn and Northwestern out of conference. Their schedule is difficult enough as is. If Georgetown did not upset Denver and win their conference championship Duke would have been in the NCAA Tournament. Admission standards at Duke are more difficult than most schools but they have "slots" and there are many great players that have the grades and test scores to get into Duke as a recruited athlete. Duke's proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way.

Coaching is the biggest issue at Duke. One aspect of coaching is recruiting and Duke fell behind during the heyday of early recruiting. They brought in some great recruits but they missed on others because other schools were more aggressive. Missing on one or two studs per year will hurt especially when playing the schedule that Duke plays.

There is no question that Duke is one of the Top 20 Programs. They have had 2 maybe 3 down years (for Duke) but they will be back fighting to be in the Top 10 -15 consistently going forward.

Michigan is the only non traditional power that I see moving into the 15 - 20 programs that are able to be competitive every year.




Scheduling out of conference games is not that difficult and somehow UNC ,NW, MD,JMU, UVA and 20 other teams were able to schedule more difficult out of conference games.

To say Dukes proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way is naive. When you have top recruits lets say from the North East or Mid Atlantic who want to go to a top lacrosse program in a warmer climate and still stay on the East coast only a few schools come to mind. Travel to either school is the same so many of the top recruits have a choice between the two.If these top recruits are choosing UNC over Duke than it impacts them. Maybe its the facilities, the student body, the chance to win titles, the town surrounding the campus, but I know a few who have chosen UNC over Duke when they had the option to go to either.

Saying other schools were more aggressive in recruiting meaning what?

Duke is most likely a top 20 program but not making the tournament several times and when they did not getting more than 1 win has them teetering on the edge.


All the BS aside, there's a top 6 and the rest doesn't really matter, the Ivy's and schools like ND have much more stringent admissions requirements when it comes to athletes. Duke sent a letter to my daughter indicating they wanted 3.2 GPA, 1310 SAT and/or 26 ACT, but quickly added that there was still a significant amount of flexibility. Most kids can achieve a 3.2 GPA if they just show up and a 26 on ACT is not that difficult

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They sent a letter to your daughter telling her what scores they wanted , I doubt that .

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They sent a letter to your daughter telling her what scores they wanted , I doubt that .


Why would you doubt that, I know several people who received the same letter and I would bet your club coach or director has seen it as well, perhaps your a little salty because your kid didn't receive one? Do yourself a favor going forward and ask around before making yourself look foolish and uniformed

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They sent a letter to your daughter telling her what scores they wanted , I doubt that .


Why would you doubt that, I know several people who received the same letter and I would bet your club coach or director has seen it as well, perhaps your a little salty because your kid didn't receive one? Do yourself a favor going forward and ask around before making yourself look foolish and uniformed


Nah , you clearly heard about some fictitious letter and believed it . First off the coaches do not want to put that stuff in writing as they don’t want some lost going around telling people their business. Second I know for a fact that those scores vary depending on how much they want your kid . Third my kid was actually offered a scholarship at Duke and you are told verbally those kinds of things . Why would a coach want to put that in a written letter and I can tell you the SAT score they quoted was considerably lower than that .Please tell us the other schools that sent your kid a letter telling her they have these reduced standards for her admittance .

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They sent a letter to your daughter telling her what scores they wanted , I doubt that .


Why would you doubt that, I know several people who received the same letter and I would bet your club coach or director has seen it as well, perhaps your a little salty because your kid didn't receive one? Do yourself a favor going forward and ask around before making yourself look foolish and uniformed


Nah , you clearly heard about some fictitious letter and believed it . First off the coaches do not want to put that stuff in writing as they don’t want some lost going around telling people their business. Second I know for a fact that those scores vary depending on how much they want your kid . Third my kid was actually offered a scholarship at Duke and you are told verbally those kinds of things . Why would a coach want to put that in a written letter and I can tell you the SAT score they quoted was considerably lower than that .Please tell us the other schools that sent your kid a letter telling her they have these reduced standards for her admittance .


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Duke has finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in 8 of the past 10 years. They did not finish in the Top 20 in 2017 or 2018 but they were ranked 16th in the most recent coaches poll and will most likely be ranked in the final poll of the season this year. A teams record in Division I womens lacrosse is not an indication of where they fall in relation to the rest of the teams. Duke for example lost 8 games this year. They lost to current #2, #3 "twice", #4, #5, #6, #7 and #12 and they have a win over #7. Even if they finish the year ranked 20th that puts them ahead of 96 teams. Duke is absolutely one of the Top 20 Programs. The ACC is brutal and if you are off just a bit you will not win many games. In addition to their ACC schedule they played Penn and Northwestern that is a very difficult schedule.

Take a look at Villanova, a team with a record of 10 - 8 very similar to Duke's 11 -8. There is no comparison, Duke beat Villanova by 10 goals 19 -9 and it was never close as it was 8 -0 in the first eight minutes of the game. Villanova played three good teams, Duke, Navy, Princeton and none of the games were even close. Nova also lost to Georgetown and the game was never really in doubt. Similar record to Duke but they are not in the same ballpark as Duke.

Duke has lost its fair share of games in recent years but they are still one of the 20 or so best programs in Division I.

I would expect Duke to be Top 15 -20 again next year if not higher.




Let me start by saying Duke is a to 20 program at this point but are close to being moved out. Duke plays a difficult schedule strictly as a result of being in the ACC and more than 20 other teams play a more difficult non conference schedule. To say they are a definite top 20 any of the last 3 seasons is ill informed at best. The thing is its Duke University so honestly they should be much more competitive than they are. Not sure what the problem is down there but I have heard the excuse that the standards of getting into the school make recruiting the best athletes difficult , I just don't buy that. I do think being in such close proximity to UNC may hurt them .


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Scheduling out of conference games is not so simple. Duke plays a very difficult conference schedule and this year they had Penn and Northwestern out of conference. Their schedule is difficult enough as is. If Georgetown did not upset Denver and win their conference championship Duke would have been in the NCAA Tournament. Admission standards at Duke are more difficult than most schools but they have "slots" and there are many great players that have the grades and test scores to get into Duke as a recruited athlete. Duke's proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way.

Coaching is the biggest issue at Duke. One aspect of coaching is recruiting and Duke fell behind during the heyday of early recruiting. They brought in some great recruits but they missed on others because other schools were more aggressive. Missing on one or two studs per year will hurt especially when playing the schedule that Duke plays.

There is no question that Duke is one of the Top 20 Programs. They have had 2 maybe 3 down years (for Duke) but they will be back fighting to be in the Top 10 -15 consistently going forward.

Michigan is the only non traditional power that I see moving into the 15 - 20 programs that are able to be competitive every year.




Scheduling out of conference games is not that difficult and somehow UNC ,NW, MD,JMU, UVA and 20 other teams were able to schedule more difficult out of conference games.

To say Dukes proximity to UNC does not hurt them in any way is naive. When you have top recruits lets say from the North East or Mid Atlantic who want to go to a top lacrosse program in a warmer climate and still stay on the East coast only a few schools come to mind. Travel to either school is the same so many of the top recruits have a choice between the two.If these top recruits are choosing UNC over Duke than it impacts them. Maybe its the facilities, the student body, the chance to win titles, the town surrounding the campus, but I know a few who have chosen UNC over Duke when they had the option to go to either.

Saying other schools were more aggressive in recruiting meaning what?

Duke is most likely a top 20 program but not making the tournament several times and when they did not getting more than 1 win has them teetering on the edge.


Their proximity to UNC does not hurt them. Many other schools were more aggressive with early recruiting than Duke. While Duke was watching, evaluating and making their list of top recruits other top programs were being much more aggressive and making offers. The top 20 - 30 players were all receiving offers from the top programs. Duke did their best to hold off but many of the top kids committed elsewhere. Duke garnered their fair share of talent but they probably missed on a couple of their top prospect s each year. Having an extra 4 or 5 studs on the roster goes a long way and would have most likely equated to several wins over the past three years.

In the end there are only so many blue chip recruits to go around and if you miss out on them you will not win many games vs top 10 -15 teams.

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